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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film, life, television, culture, mental

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health and all of that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend Farron Bish.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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So Farron, I'm going to ask you the first obvious question.

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It's the hardest question of the day because everyone doesn't know how to answer it.

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But I'm going to get you to tell the internet who you are and what you do.

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Okay.

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Let's knock her down.

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All right.

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I am Farron.

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That's who I am.

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What I do is I just float through life doing all kinds of things.

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I don't know.

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I'm a bit of a jack of all trades, master of very few of them.

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I dabble in acting.

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I've been known to write a few bits and pieces here and there.

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Currently I'm a dog groomer.

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Really?

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So that's something completely different.

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That's a very big current change.

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I've been recording some songs lately as well.

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Is it in a singing capacity?

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I mean you could call it singing if you're being very open-minded.

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But yeah, I've got a few musician friends and I've felt inspired to write something

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because I think everyone has this dream that survived since we were kids of just being

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like a rock star.

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Right, yeah.

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So it never died down for me.

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I've always wanted to be a rock star and unfortunately I have no musical talent whatsoever.

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No rhythm, can't hold a tune at all.

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But I was like, I know people that can do those things.

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So I'm just going to pretend.

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So we wrote a few songs.

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They did all the hard stuff.

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Writing the music and producing and mixing and recording and all of that.

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And I just wrote the words and yelled them into a microphone.

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But they turned out pretty good.

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I'm proud of them.

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Are they anywhere?

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Can people listen to them?

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We'll see when I say I'm proud of them.

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I'm a little bit ashamed of them.

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They might be up somewhere.

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Oh okay, so they might.

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Perhaps under a pseudonym.

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Right, so they're at pseudomonas moments there.

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But that's been really fun.

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And then I do a bit of arty stuff as well.

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I like my collages.

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I do some little devil scratchings here and there.

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I do everything is the answer to your question.

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I'm Karen and I do it all.

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I mean that's extraordinary because I guess that's not something that everyone sees from

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an outwards perspective, especially when you only do, people know you probably only for

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acting or I guess that when you're kind of an actor your face is everywhere.

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That's sort of the side.

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Whereas when you're doing all these other things it's less in the forefront and more

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in the seen but unseen.

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It's my side projects I guess.

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What kind of drove you into the arts?

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Because all of these sound, even with dog grooming, it all sounds artistic.

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You can actually say dog grooming is very artistic.

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But yeah, I guess was it always acting starting or then writing or music?

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Where did this kind of journey start for you?

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I've just always been kind of more of a creative person rather than logical.

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The logical brain.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I have been writing since I was a little kid.

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My mum always tells me stories about how even back in year one teachers would come up to

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her parent teacher interviews and stuff and be like, oh my god, she's got to be a writer.

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She's going to be an author when she grows up.

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Because I just would tell stories all the time and write little novels and all that

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kind of stuff.

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And then acting started quite early on as well just because I found a lot of joy in

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It always just seemed like this mystical, amazing profession that I wanted.

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And then I don't know, I just kind of like to explore that side of myself.

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I think I admire all of those qualities in other people, like the artists and the musicians

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and I just want to be like them.

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So I just try everything and I'm not really great at any of them.

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But I just find so much joy in trying everything.

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Yeah, because what do you do for your mundane job?

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Is that the dog grooming?

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The dog grooming is my mundane job.

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Your mundane?

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Your day to day?

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That's the day to day's vlog.

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Where did that come from?

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Was it just your love for animals?

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Yeah, I'm just an animal person.

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I'm an animal chick.

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I just have always loved them.

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Especially dogs.

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I mean, yeah, it's cliche but just dogs are the best.

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And I always kind of wanted to work with animals as well.

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That was another career I wanted as a kid.

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I wanted to work in the circus as doing tricks with animals.

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Can I just say that's the coolest dream for a kid to have?

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I mean, RSPCA would not approve of that.

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I'm still fairly new to it.

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But it actually came about because I was really struggling with acting stuff.

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So yeah, before that I kind of had a focus on acting.

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Obviously, I wasn't paying my bills or anything.

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So I was working in hospitality and retail and those sorts of jobs to kind of get me

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I've been in a massive slump really over the past year or so where I was just really struggling

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to find roles.

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I was spending so much time just working that I couldn't make it to auditions and things

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like that.

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So I just decided that I needed a proper career that wasn't pouring beers for people all day.

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And so I thought what else brings me joy?

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What else am I passionate about?

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And the answer was animals.

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And that was also a struggle as well because I was like, well, the people that work with

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animals, they go to school for four years or whatever and get degrees.

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But then I found just an animal studies course at TAFE.

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And it was an accelerated course.

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It was only over, I think, four months or something like that.

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And you get your cert two and supposedly that opens you up to lots of careers.

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And so I just kind of started doing that.

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And as a component of the practical side, you had to find a job somewhere.

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And I found a job at the dog grooming salon that I currently work at.

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And I just loved it so much just kind of seeing that side of it, the grooming side.

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It opened up a whole new world to me.

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And I've just been kind of really, really finding a lot of enjoyment in it.

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Oh my God, that's awesome.

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It's really fun.

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It's hard.

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It's so much harder than you expect.

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Like it's not all just, you know, bathing, giving little puppies bubble baths and things,

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but it's really, it's challenging and I'm really enjoying it.

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I think that, I think that, you know, if you're not a dog owner as well, if you've never dealt

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with dogs, they have personalities like that, like all animals, every animal has a personality.

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But I think with, you know, particularly dogs and their behavioural issues, depending where

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they come from and stuff, I think it's, it's, it's also going to lay different because

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I was a cat owner growing up.

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So cats generally are pretty good at surviving.

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Like dogs are the other hand, they actually go into fear more.

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or stuff.

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And yeah, like I can't imagine bathing.

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Like I've tried to bathe two different kinds of dogs and I know one like loved it and the

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other one hated it.

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So it's very interesting.

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Especially when you need to groom them and make them look nice and you know, sort of

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like, um, I suppose it's not just like, it's, are you cutting hair and you're trimming

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hair as well for?

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I'm doing kind of the basics at the moment.

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So I'm still, they're still kind of training me up.

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So I do, you know, I trim like their butthole hair and like around their faces and things

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like that.

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But I'm not doing like full, full body dog clips, like the poodles and things at the

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moment.

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With the big like puffball legs and things.

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Not yet, but one day.

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It's so interesting as well when you see those big fluffy dogs come out of salons and they're

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like tiny because they're like their ratio portion is like mostly fur.

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Oh, it's hilarious.

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And then they're just like, like just tiny slim little things.

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And you're like, where did all your hair go?

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I do love that.

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Cause like, I think my favorite kind of breeds of dogs are like Jack Russell's, particularly

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which like a quite short hair.

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But also I love cavoodles and you know, like Cavaliers are also gorgeous animals, but cavoodle

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like cavoodles are very, particularly cute.

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They're all the rage right now.

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Everyone has a cavoodle.

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I know.

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They're so expensive, but they're so cute.

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And yeah, like Maltese kind of dogs as well are so cute.

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Like I just love like little fluff.

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But you know, like I see like when you're an owner, especially like, you know, when

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you're an owner of a low shed dog, where it's particularly like they need so much more grooming

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than high shed dogs.

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And then suddenly like, have you, do you now appreciate like dog grooming a lot more because

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you worked in it?

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For sure.

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I do.

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It's a lot grosser than you think.

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Then you think you have to deal with some pretty filthy things quite literally.

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And also it's, I mean, you're dealing with lives every day and not just, you know, dogs,

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but like people's whole lives are in this little, this fluff ball and everyone cares

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about this dog so much and they care about its fur as well.

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So it's a lot of responsibility kind of taking care of this animal and making the fur look

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good too.

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dogs there are out there because every dog, you know, like you were saying before, every

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dog behaves differently.

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Every dog has a different reaction to what's going on.

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And every dog owner also wants something different and has a different reaction to how their

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dog looks and how they want their dog to look.

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Have you ever sort of experienced like the really difficult, like people come in and

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you know, particularly like high demand?

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So the salon that I work at is in quite a fancy area.

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So we get a lot of people that are quite demanding and one of the limiting things about the dog

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grooming is that you can only do so much with certain fur as well.

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And a lot of that has to do with how the fur has been taken care of before the dog comes

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into the salon.

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So sometimes a dog will come in and it's completely matted through and through and the owner,

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you know, they're like, oh, I want the, I want two inch hair on my dog all over, blow

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it all out.

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I want like a teddy bear face, all of this.

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And we, you just take one look at the dog and you're like, I'm sorry, that dog has

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to be shaved bald today.

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Like there's nothing you can do about it.

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Because it turns into like a fleece, you know?

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It's like the dog's wearing a jumper and it, um, it mats over the entire body and you

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can't brush that out.

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It's impossible.

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It's like brushing a woolen jumper.

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Like it's never gonna completely unravel it.

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So it's, it's tough for us and it's tough for the owners, but it's even worse for the

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dog, I guess, cause they're suffering with that on their fur.

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But it can cause a few, a few issues with the owners.

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I understand that it can be very heartbreaking for them, but yeah, it's something that people

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of the fur rather than just dropping it off at the salon every two months.

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I think it's like, it's particularly when I see Huskies and like, I love Huskies, they're

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beautiful, but they're not designed for like summer climate of Australia.

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Like they're just like walk like they're dying in the heat.

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And I always get baffled when people don't cut Husky hair, like they don't take them

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to salons, get really short hair cause it's so thick.

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Like it is like that winter coat.

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And so you just see people with like big fluffy dogs and you're like, you monster.

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Like panting and drooling.

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And I just feel like the worst person to look at that and be like, yeah, that's acceptable.

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And I'm like, no.

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Um, do you, did you grow up with a dog though?

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Did you grow up with a family dog?

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Oh, I did.

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Yeah.

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We had a Whippet.

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His name was Spike.

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He was so cute.

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Is he no longer around?

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No, this was a long time ago and yeah, he lived a good life, but unfortunately he's

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not with us anymore.

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When did he pass away?

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Oh, I would have been, he would have been about, I don't know.

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Probably about 10 years old.

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Wow.

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That's, yeah.

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So it's, that's a pretty good life.

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Yeah.

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He passed in a traffic collision.

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Oh, that's, that's the worst way to go out.

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It was pretty heartbreaking.

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Oh, that would have been the worst for your family.

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That was terrible.

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Have they got a new dog now?

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Um, I have a dog now.

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Yeah.

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I have my little, my little bit.

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So he's like a bit of a Maltese, Shih Tzu, cross with something else.

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I don't know what.

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Like a Bichon?

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I don't know.

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I think he's got like a bit of Schnauzer in him.

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Oh, cute.

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He's a weird little guy, but he's my, he's my son, my little baby.

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He just had his, his 10th birthday this year as well.

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So have you had him for 10 years?

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I've had him.

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Yeah.

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Since he was just a pup.

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Yeah, his name's Dali.

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He's very naughty.

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Is he?

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Like, I mean, he's a good boy, but I like to tell him he's a naughty just to keep him

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in check, you know?

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That's cute.

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I mean, like, what is, do you find now being like a dog mom and in particular, like just,

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you know, working in a salon, you're kind of more appreciative of like what you do for

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your own dog versus what other people do?

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Yeah, especially because Dali is a terrible dog to groom.

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He's, he, I lied before, he's not always a good boy.

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He's a bad boy.

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When it comes to grooming, he, he just can't stand it.

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He like snaps and growls and he's awful, just the worst.

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But I mean, I guess looking back on it now, now that I know a bit more about grooming,

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I think that's partially my fault.

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Really?

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Cause I think, I mean, I've learned this off of the more senior groomers and everything,

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but I guess the best way to stop a dog from behaving like that is to start grooming a

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lot earlier on and kind of condition them to it.

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Yeah.

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I was quite young when I got Dali, I was like young and naive, so I just kind of treated

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him like a little baby and just like carried him around and let him get up to mischief.

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I didn't, you know, brush him out and condition him to like being touched by all these different

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people and washed and everything.

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So now I think I'm paying the price for it cause every time I try to brush him, he's

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like snapping at me.

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Little shit.

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I mean, like that's always the thing as well and I always noticed like when dogs don't

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like having baths or it is conditioning.

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It is a lot of like conditioning behavior.

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I think it's also like ignoring dogs.

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I found like particularly we were fostering this, we were fostering this gray hand and

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Emily and I couldn't like work out why she wasn't behaving certain ways.

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And Emily's brother Mark was just like, just ignore her when she does, she wants to play,

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you know, at certain times and it's not play time.

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I just train her to know now's not the time and she'll sulk, but then she'll be fine.

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Like let us sulk because it kind of, she knew she was a, cause particularly with like grey

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hands and if you own a grey hand, they're the most clingy dogs ever.

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They'd love to not be alone.

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So they always like, if you get a greyhound get to like always recommend cause they, they're

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kind of like creatures that love company.

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So with that, it's like, if they have company, then you can kind of lay for hours and they've

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got each other so they can kind of like chill.

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But yeah, it was a lot of the time if we, we did this theory where we went upstairs

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into the loft, which is where our bedroom is and left her down here and she just started

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barking to where we were and moping and then just slumped to the floor for like 10 minutes.

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And then suddenly when she heard a noise, she started barking again and we're like,

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okay, cool.

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You know, if she's alone, she can cope, but it was like, yeah, she just, she loves company.

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She's not very good at just being left to her own devices.

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So it was one of those things that I think you do learn with a particular breeds that

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they do require like certain conditioning.

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And I think it's also like important.

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And I think this is like a, I guess an adult thing you learn later in life, especially

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when you've owned animals and stuff as like what you were saying, you know, you're naive

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when you first get a pet, you know, especially when you're young and you're kind of like,

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oh, this is like a nice little play thing.

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But I think you learn the temperaments of like animals and the legs.

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Do you think when you get another pet later in life, do you think you'll sort of like

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go into it with a lot more training?

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Yeah.

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Well, at this point, I can't imagine another dog beside Darlie.

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Yeah.

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Like he's my forever dog.

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But also I think, yeah, I have much more of an appreciation of training now.

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I think I did a fairly good job of training Darlie.

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He is ultimately a good boy.

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He follows my orders.

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He doesn't, you know, do all those bad dog behaviors.

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He's pretty good.

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He's great around my nieces and nephews, little kids and everything.

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But I think, yeah, looking back, it's when you get a dog, it becomes your full-time job

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to determine how that dog is going to be raised.

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And I think it's a job that doesn't really stop either.

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It's something that you kind of have to continuously work on throughout that dog's life.

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But I mean, ultimately it's up to you what happens to that dog and how that dog reacts

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to the world around it.

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So I think it's really important to kind of stay on top of that.

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And it takes a lot more work, I think, than most people assume it will take.

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And I think it's something that you've seen a fair bit lately in these past couple of

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years after all the pandemic pups have kind of been growing up.

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Because a lot of people have gone out and purchased these dogs.

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Because like you were saying, they're cute and it's like company.

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They think it's just going to be like a cute little teddy bear that they can like tote

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around with them.

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And you see them all now they're kind of developing into adult dogs.

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And they've all got these weird little behaviors and traits.

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It's things that you could have easily trained out, I think, when they were pups.

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But I guess, I don't know.

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It gives you a lot to think about.

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But in saying that, yeah, there will be no other dog besides Darlie.

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He's the best.

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I always love that as well with dogs.

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You get really super attached to them.

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I always feel like that with pets, to be honest.

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Because I remember when my cat, he was 19 when he passed.

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So he lived an extraordinary long time.

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I don't know what breed of cat he was.

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He was just kind of like your standard house cat.

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No one ever knows with cats.

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Cats.

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They're just cats.

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But I remember it was sort of my decision.

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We had to end up, unfortunately, just putting them down and everything.

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It was kind of a sad decision.

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But I do think that when we sort of did our goodbyes and everything, I remember my parents

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were like, we'll probably get a new cat one day.

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They haven't yet.

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But I think it's probably one of those things that I think once they're a bit older, they

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might get a cat to kind of live with them for a bit.

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Because I think they like pets.

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They like animals.

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And I think they like looking after.

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But 19 years is a long time to also have a...

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Because they got him when my brother and I were little.

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So I remember being, I think I was six years old or something like that when we got him.

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And running around five or six and just thinking he was the bee's knee, this little thing.

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But then get really annoyed that he wouldn't want to play certain things or play with...

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So it's interesting when people go, oh, my cat likes to play with toys.

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And I'm like, my cat didn't.

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I'm like, none of that.

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He didn't give two shits about any of that.

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So I have a very much cat that liked to kind of sit and lie down and sleep and then play

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with actual living things, which was very odd.

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So we had like...

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But now he's no longer around.

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I think it sort of made me really appreciate when I see cats as well and dogs and animals,

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they do create that special bond.

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You do sort of see that someone loves them and someone's looked after them.

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But I also get very...

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I do think it's interesting because you talk about the pandemic dogs as well, pandemic

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owners, particularly.

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And I think I love and hate someone with a fiery passion because when I see that people

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have bought them and especially with traits and stuff that they haven't weaned out of

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them and is that play thing, I become very judgy.

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Because I guess for me, especially when I've fostered a dog and I babysat two different

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dogs.

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I've had three dogs in this house since living with Emily and we've sort of gotten an idea

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of what behavioral things that can come across.

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And when I see that people just ignore behavioral issues, I'm like, why?

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It's sort of very bizarre because I feel like most dogs, especially like most dogs can be

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socialized and very easily come to be less aggressive, especially when they're thinking

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that someone's going to attack them.

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You can train it out of them.

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But a lot of people, when they don't understand the training involved or they don't bother,

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you can sort of see a lot of bad traits like some dogs don't know how to play.

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So they just bark at other dogs.

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And especially like height difference.

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Like if you've got a big, big dog and it's trying to play with a little dog, you've got

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to understand that little dog is going to be terrified.

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So you might think, oh, it's just playing.

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It's like, no, you've got to understand that your dog needs to learn how to play with little

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dogs and how that might affect its personality.

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And the little dog might be more scared and more timid.

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So you see a lot of owners pick up little dogs when they see big dogs coming.

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And I love little dogs.

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I love big dogs.

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I think the nicest time was when one of my friends and I, we went out and walked out

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their cousin's dog and there was this big, massive dog.

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And this little dog was like down to here, it was like a bulldog kind of thing.

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And those two just started playing.

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And she was like, the bigger dog was like a little, you know, like a youngish sort of

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dog, but they knew how to play together.

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And she knew how to play with a smaller dog because she wasn't using her full strength.

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I was like, this dog has learned how to play and they're just tossing and turning and mucking

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around.

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So this was very cute to watch.

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And the owner was lovely.

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It was like, oh, you know, most of the time people don't know how to play with her.

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They sort of just go, oh, she's scary and she's big.

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And he's like, she's fine though.

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She's so friendly and she'll just like want to hug you and lick you and stuff.

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And so she's this beautiful dog, but it is interesting when you sort of, I guess, get

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these assumptions, especially of dog owners and dogs and like particularly that most big

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dogs aren't that bad.

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It's the ones that, you know, like definitely like greyhounds are weird because most people

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think they are aggressive and bark.

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They're actually not.

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They're the most placid dogs.

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They're so chill.

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They're gentle.

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Yeah.

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But it's sort of like funny because I feel like people associate big animals with danger.

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And it's, you know, you must see that all the time with grooming.

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It's like a lot of these big dogs and little dogs come in and they're very similar.

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And some dogs don't know how big they are.

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So that because they've never sort of had that exposure, they've never been like, oh,

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this is my own breed or, you know, like, cause you know, like what's your thought on all

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that?

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Like, especially with dog personalities and owners that you see around.

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Hmm.

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In my quite limited experience, I think I've mainly seen kind of the opposite problem.

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Most of the big dogs that come into my life are fairly good at interacting with other

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dogs and other people, especially children, because I think most owners who get a big

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dog are aware of the fact that they're going to have a big dog, you know?

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So they start that kind of conditioning and socializing very early on.

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The bigger problem that I've seen is little dogs that absolutely lose their shit when

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they see a big dog.

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Out of, you know, fear.

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So they'll just start barking and growling.

481
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840
They'll try and climb you to get away.

482
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:22,880
I think that's another thing that could have very easily been trained out of them by just

483
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,880
introducing socialization a lot earlier on.

484
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,880
But I think also in saying that, like, I don't want to come across as too judgmental, like

485
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040
you raised your dog poorly.

486
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:44,320
But like, I think obviously that's going to be a big problem for pandemic pups, because

487
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:50,120
how do you socialize your dog in the middle of lockdown and all of that?

488
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:56,320
So I think it's a really common problem for dogs that are now one or two years old, or

489
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:03,560
these little dogs that have never really, you know, had the opportunity to go out to

490
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,520
the park or go to puppy school or wherever.

491
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,520
I think I definitely agree with that.

492
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:18,120
I think that, you know, when you haven't socialized a dog, or at least had its exposure to different

493
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,000
sized dogs or anything like that, and especially little dogs that need to get used to big dogs

494
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,640
because they do exist and you've got to co-exist.

495
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,520
You can always tell which dogs have never really left their comfort zone.

496
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,440
And I think it's, I see it a lot around Blackwater Bay, which is near where I live, and we walk

497
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,520
that route a lot, and you do see a lot of the little dogs have never had the big dog

498
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,520
exposure.

499
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:50,600
And it's very interesting because I think it's really good that they get that exposure

500
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,560
young, like when they're puppies, or just do it slowly.

501
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,160
It's like the interesting thing is the same thing as cats and dogs can live harmoniously.

502
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,160
It's very easy.

503
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:09,160
You just expose a therapy, and one of the friends who now adopted the greyhound, they've

504
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,800
got a cat as well.

505
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:18,600
And the owner was very concerned that Rosie would be very against Boston the cat.

506
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,280
And it just took exposure.

507
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,280
They put them between a fence so they could smell each other and over time get used to

508
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,840
the fact that you two have to live together.

509
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,360
This isn't a choice.

510
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,160
You just have to exist in the same vicinity.

511
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,800
And it was like, okay, cool.

512
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,560
So animals do get used to it.

513
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,640
They just have to get used to the smells, the behavior, or it's little things.

514
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,760
And once they're used to it, they just go and forget about the aggression and the toxicity.

515
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,960
I guess as owners, you kind of create a fear barrier because they're trying to protect

516
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,960
you.

517
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,120
They're thinking, oh, I must protect my owner against this giant animal.

518
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:07,400
But in reality, it comes from a responsibility we as people to be like, well, how would I

519
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,760
feel if I was this animal?

520
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,760
What would I be thinking?

521
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Probably that they should get used to it.

522
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960
It's always funny because I love when some owners I walk past and they go, oh, yeah,

523
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,880
my dog's a wuss.

524
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Just gets scared by anything.

525
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,280
But you always do wonder, especially with rescue animals and stuff.

526
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,280
And I love rescues.

527
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:33,840
I think they're the best kind of dogs because they come with a whole bunch of personality.

528
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,720
But some of them have come from traumatic backgrounds.

529
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,440
So it's like a lot of them have been abused or mistreated.

530
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,080
So when you do see those traits and they do get scared or they do lash out, remember to

531
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,320
make them feel safe because that's going to reassure them not to do those traits.

532
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,760
And it's going to make them feel more at ease and not feel like they don't have to be on

533
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,160
the defense.

534
00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:01,000
And it's very easy to do because once they get out of that phase and they sort of realize

535
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,080
that everything's very normal and that's their routine and their life, they sort of mellow

536
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,080
out.

537
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,120
But yeah, I feel like when people just ignore that and tell your dog to shut up or something,

538
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:17,040
it's like, don't match loud noise with loud noise.

539
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,440
There's so many psychological things that I keep looking into, especially because I

540
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,840
watch two seasons of The Dog House.

541
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Great show.

542
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,840
I've never heard of this.

543
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,840
I've never heard of this.

544
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,160
It's a Channel 10 show.

545
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,160
It's so good.

546
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,240
And it's all about the fact that people go and get rescue dogs.

547
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,040
And it's so sweet because some of the dogs, especially big dogs against little kids, I

548
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,600
think is great because you grow up with different kinds of animals and different kinds of like

549
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,320
... I particularly like small dogs.

550
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,360
Small dogs are my thing because they're so cute and fluffy.

551
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,840
Like, Em likes big dogs or medium sized dogs.

552
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,000
So we're kind of like, if we would ever own a dog, it would be like probably a bit of

553
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
both.

554
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200
We'd probably get a small dog and a big dog.

555
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,240
Because we just like animals, but you do kind of see that I think when families do come

556
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,680
in and what they love about animals and what they love about dogs, you can kind of see

557
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,400
that it does come down to that.

558
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000
You know, like, oh, dogs just being friendly.

559
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,280
And dogs do kind of not always warm to you immediately.

560
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,360
It's like, it's sometimes they're immediate and then sometimes they're slow.

561
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,320
They're like, I'm going to sniff you, then I'm going to leave you alone and sit in my

562
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,240
corner until I know it's safe.

563
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,040
But I've had my sniff.

564
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,040
I think it's okay, but I'm going to remain here.

565
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,380
And if you approach them, they're going to be more scared.

566
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:38,480
You kind of just got to let them do their thing.

567
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,840
Let them control the situation for sure.

568
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Do you find that now as an owner for 10 years?

569
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Like, what was Dali like when you first got him?

570
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,000
Like, what was he like?

571
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,720
He was very chill as a pup.

572
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,920
I remember picking him up in the pet shop.

573
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,920
Sorry about that.

574
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,920
Feel bad about that.

575
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:05,920
Oh, no, don't.

576
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,360
Oh, I think I got my cat from a pet shop.

577
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,840
I think it wasn't even from a rescue.

578
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,040
It was back in the day, you know, we didn't know.

579
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,520
We didn't know what we know now.

580
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,760
But yeah, he was there with a brother and a sister in this pet shop.

581
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,280
And they all looked the same.

582
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,120
And I was getting a puppy.

583
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,320
It was as a birthday gift from my mother.

584
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,120
But I didn't know which one to choose.

585
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,360
And so the girl that was working in the shop, she was like, let me get them all out.

586
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,080
And you can, you know, sit on the floor and let them run around you and see what their

587
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,920
personalities are like.

588
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:47,320
And of the three of them, the brother was just hyper, running everywhere, jumping everywhere.

589
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,840
The sister was very, very timid and kind of just sat very far away from me, wasn't interested

590
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,240
in coming up to me.

591
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:59,040
And Darlie, I remember just like, yeah, came up, gave me a little sniff and then just started

592
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000
like walking around the shop, just looking at stuff.

593
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,360
I didn't like it as if he was shopping.

594
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,280
And I was like, that's the one for me.

595
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,400
I like him.

596
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,400
He came and said hello.

597
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,640
And then he was just off on his own.

598
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,640
He's beautiful.

599
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560
And then I think that's kind of been his personality his whole life.

600
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,040
Like he's friendly.

601
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,200
He loves people.

602
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,920
He loves other dogs, but he'll come up and he'll say hi to you, get his pats, get his

603
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,900
treat if you've got one.

604
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,080
And then he'll just continue on his day.

605
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,800
Like he's just an explorer.

606
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,360
He just wants to know what's going on everywhere.

607
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,520
He'll go around, have a little sniff at this, pee on it.

608
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,720
Go over there, pee on that.

609
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,040
How often, like, do you take it, when you take him for walks, how often does he pee

610
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,040
on things?

611
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,640
So he will, he is a perpetual peer.

612
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,640
Really?

613
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,760
He'll stop at every tree and pee on it.

614
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,080
And he'll keep lifting his leg even after like the tank's empty.

615
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,440
He's just got like phantom pees.

616
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,520
But it's just all in his head that he's like, I'm peeing on this tree right now.

617
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,920
There's nothing coming out, but he's convinced himself all the way home again.

618
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,760
And I have to drag him home.

619
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,320
He would walk for hours if it was up to him.

620
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,480
Hours and hours and hours.

621
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,120
He's unsatisfied if the walk lasts less than an hour.

622
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,120
Really?

623
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,120
Yes.

624
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,960
He gets the shits and he like pulls on the lead.

625
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,480
If I start taking him home, he gives me this look.

626
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,480
Wow.

627
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640
He's like a marathon walker.

628
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,320
Do you feel fit when you take him for walks?

629
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,760
I mean, not, it doesn't feel like exercise though, because we have to stop every two

630
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,960
meters so he can pee on stuff.

631
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,760
It just feels like we're meandering on through life.

632
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,160
Isn't that the truth about dog walking?

633
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,760
It doesn't actually feel like exercise.

634
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,720
It feels like a long just like meandering.

635
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:59,000
Yeah, you just have to stop and then go and then stop and then go.

636
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,240
How big is he?

637
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:05,440
He's about the size of a regular house cat.

638
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Oh really?

639
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,920
So just like, you know, quite hand.

640
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,720
Like quite short and, but long body, I guess.

641
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,320
But like shorter legs.

642
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,160
So like mini legs, like little stumps.

643
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,160
Pretty stumpy.

644
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,160
Yeah.

645
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,640
He's quite bow legged as well.

646
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,080
He stands like a ballerina with his toes pointed out.

647
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,080
That's cute.

648
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,640
He's a very cute boy.

649
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Yeah.

650
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,960
I mean, like, yeah, I always find with, you know, particularly when, you know, dogs like

651
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,120
to go for a walk and stuff.

652
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,120
Yeah.

653
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,880
But I think it's completely different when we were babysitting Eddie, who, um, just a

654
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,880
little fluff ball.

655
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,880
Yeah.

656
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,520
He'd get tired after 20 minutes and just flop.

657
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,520
And just go.

658
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Did you have to like scoop him up?

659
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Yeah.

660
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,520
Yeah.

661
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,520
You can't carry him.

662
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,320
It's like, but it's really funny because with Rosie, the, um, the, she, the Greyhound,

663
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,000
she would want to walk for like hours.

664
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,880
And they were like in the description, they were like, nah, she likes 20 minute walks,

665
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,120
like two 20 minute walks a day.

666
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,520
We're like, nah, fuck that.

667
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,320
Like she, she would go for so long.

668
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,320
Um, but yeah, same with Sam.

669
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,280
Like Sam would, we babysat him and you know, like I remember the owners were like, no,

670
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,720
he's only going to poop once a day.

671
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,840
And you know, it's probably need like one or two walks.

672
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,480
We took him for so many walks and he pooped so often.

673
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,200
And we're like, you are not pooping just once today.

674
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,160
He's putting on a show for you.

675
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,160
Yeah, I know.

676
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,160
But it's always funny as well because like, um, I learned, I particularly now with sort

677
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,920
of looking after dogs for a month, I learned of traveling poops where they sort of like

678
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,880
poop and then they walk a little bit and then poop again and then walk a little bit.

679
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:35,880
Spread it out.

680
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Like a masterpiece.

681
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,880
Yeah.

682
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:38,880
I'm like, what is wrong?

683
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,240
Why can't you just sit there and not shuffle?

684
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:44,240
It's not as exciting.

685
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,240
Yeah.

686
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:52,320
Have you ever like, you know, taken Dali for a walk and just like, does he do like normal

687
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,440
size poops or is he, is he an epic pooer?

688
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Most of the time they're pretty proportional to his size, but then every now and then,

689
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,000
you know, once every couple of months or so he'll just surprise me with like a massive

690
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
log.

691
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:16,040
And I'm like, darling, what have you, have you been storing that up?

692
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,040
What is this?

693
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,040
What have you been eating?

694
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,040
He, he would keep me on my toes.

695
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,880
I was, I was my favorite though is like when they pick up in your hand and you can't exactly

696
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,720
take a couple of handfuls with the poop bag.

697
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:30,720
Yeah.

698
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,280
You're like scoop one, scoop two.

699
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Why not throw it out?

700
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,480
It's a luxurious life being a dog owner.

701
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,480
Yeah.

702
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,880
I think it's like, um, I've only ever once like left a poop behind.

703
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,180
I know I was, I was, cause I didn't have a poop bag and I didn't think the dog had any

704
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:49,180
in him.

705
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:52,440
Like just had leftovers in the tank and I was like, why?

706
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Why?

707
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
That's when they'll get you when you don't have a poo bag on you.

708
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Yeah.

709
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,640
And then like surprise.

710
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,640
I got to do shit.

711
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Bye.

712
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,440
Did you feel guilty?

713
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,440
I did.

714
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,760
I think I went back later and collected it.

715
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,760
Oh, legend.

716
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,760
Yeah.

717
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,000
But I think it's always my favorite in winter is when it's like a steamy one and you see

718
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
the air coming off it.

719
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:19,240
I don't know why that's so satisfying as like a dog sitter or a dog owner is like just watching

720
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,760
me like that's a healthy poop.

721
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,760
You did good today.

722
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:29,720
I think it's something that you gain an appreciation for after, after having experience with dogs,

723
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:30,720
you know?

724
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:36,840
Do you think, do you think that like, are you, are you particularly like a person who

725
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,120
wants to have a family though?

726
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,080
You, or are you very much happy with like being an auntie?

727
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,080
I'm an auntie.

728
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,080
So you're through.

729
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Yeah.

730
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,080
So you're, you're kind of like the dog mom and the auntie.

731
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Yeah.

732
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,080
I don't see myself having children.

733
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,560
I like that you used it like it was a dirty word.

734
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,560
You're like, children.

735
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Yeah.

736
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,480
No, I love them.

737
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,480
I love kids.

738
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,480
They're great.

739
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,000
I just don't want any of my own.

740
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,480
That's a hundred percent fair.

741
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,920
I mean, you know, what's your enjoyment about like, you know, looking after your nieces

742
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,920
and nephews though?

743
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,480
Oh, we just play together.

744
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,880
I'm basically a kid.

745
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,440
I think that's why I don't think I'd make a very good mom.

746
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,280
And I think my nieces and nephews, they're all under seven years old, so they're still

747
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,960
little babies, but I think they've got it in their heads that I'm a kid as well.

748
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:37,160
So they get, they get so excited when I come and visit and we just play the entire time,

749
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,120
imagination games, running around, we play with their toys, we make up songs, all of

750
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,120
it.

751
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,120
Cute.

752
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,240
And it's adorable, but it's bloody exhausting.

753
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:50,920
I don't know how parents do it the whole time.

754
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,920
Criminal.

755
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,920
Yeah.

756
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Do you see yourself having children?

757
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,920
I do.

758
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Um, I didn't for a while though.

759
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Like I, I will kid you not.

760
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:59,600
I didn't for a while.

761
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,000
And I think it's kind of like lent out.

762
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,400
Um, you know, what, you know, it helps because I met someone who I want to have kids with,

763
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,360
want to start a family with, but I think definitely if you haven't found that right person, there's

764
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,480
so many things that I say, never say never, but then I'm also, because I know ironically

765
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520
that's what my parents told me and they were like never say never.

766
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,280
Um, but I definitely think my mid twenties, I was like, nah, no kids.

767
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,880
There's a lot of things I want to do outside of having kids.

768
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,480
And I definitely want to be an uncle before being a dad myself, like a trial run.

769
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Yeah.

770
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Like a trial run is your child back.

771
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,640
Yeah.

772
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:40,360
Um, but yeah, it's, I also do find like kids are handful as well, but, um, it's, it's particularly

773
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:46,000
interesting because it was always like that dynamic of, I love the idea of having kids

774
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,280
and sort of taking them to, you know, things and stuff.

775
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,160
I get that level of enjoyment out of life.

776
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,520
Um, but I also, you know, and there's so many things I want to do.

777
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,000
It's like, you know, that incentive, um, to be like, you know, but I don't think it's

778
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,360
really interesting because it's like, I don't think I'd ever really leave the creative industry

779
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,680
or, or, you know, the arts world when I have kids, cause I think it's so exciting and interesting.

780
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,320
And I think a lot of people, when they have kids, they sort of think that that's the end

781
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,960
of their artsy career or, you know, their life.

782
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,360
And I'm like, not necessarily.

783
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,560
It really depends.

784
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,480
Like if you, if you want that, you know, cause I think like we live in this, you know, we

785
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,720
have, I always say there's like, you know, 7.8 billion people or 7.6, something like

786
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,200
enormous, um, number of percentage of people on this planet.

787
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,880
And a lot of children are born in various circumstances that, you know, might not have

788
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,000
parents that want them or anything like that.

789
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,080
And I think it's very interesting that, you know, whether I adopt or, you know, Emily

790
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,160
and I adopt or have our own biological killeds, I think is a discussion, but I definitely

791
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,440
know that we, you know, that we opened that very early on, but I've definitely, you know,

792
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,200
like dated people who never wanted kids and were like, nah, from the get go.

793
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,760
And I'm like, I think at the time I was like, yeah, that's fine.

794
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,320
You know, not worried about it, but like, I don't know, it really depends on the person.

795
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,720
It really depends on your life circumstances.

796
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:10,160
And you know, if I don't have kids until I'm 40, I'm fine with that as well.

797
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,240
I don't think it really matters.

798
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:17,000
I don't think there's a life, you know, the ends when you have kids.

799
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,640
I think it's just a different stage.

800
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,320
It's I feel like people, um, yeah, it's, it's very weird because I

801
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,040
definitely think that, you know, the conversation I hear a lot at the moment, especially with

802
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,480
people that don't want kids is they think that life ends when you have kids.

803
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,640
I'm like, it definitely changes, but I don't think it ends.

804
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,560
I don't think it's like, only if you let it, I think.

805
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,560
Yeah.

806
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Um, but yeah, I don't know.

807
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,760
I, I, like, I, I couldn't give you a solid answer to be like, yes, no, you know, maybe

808
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,360
it really depends on what life brings, um, as well.

809
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,080
And you know, I think that's like part of the excitement of life.

810
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Um, but yeah, like I do like looking after my cousin's kids.

811
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,360
I do like that aspect.

812
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,360
They're great.

813
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,640
Um, you know, and seeing, watching them grow into, you know, adults now, like one of them

814
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,320
has just turned into a teenager and I'm like, oh Jesus, this will be an interesting time.

815
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,520
Um, yeah.

816
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,820
And it's just, you know, and, and they've discovered, you know, more things about themselves

817
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:19,840
so much younger than I did.

818
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Like they're, you know, they've, they've acknowledged that, you know, they're queer, that, you know,

819
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,760
like this is who they are.

820
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,960
And I think it's very interesting that kids did that so, you know, early when you just

821
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,960
turned 13.

822
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:30,960
Yeah.

823
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,920
And, and like, yeah, I'm a 30 year old and I was like, I'm still discovering who I am.

824
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,800
You know, you're very determined at 13 to know who you are.

825
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,520
Like do you find with, you know, your nieces and nephews that they've made decisions so

826
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,640
much earlier than you probably do about yourself?

827
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:53,120
Um, I mean, they're still very, very young.

828
00:45:53,120 --> 00:46:01,160
So I think that their sense of self is still kind of only just in the early stages of becoming

829
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:11,200
a thing, but I can definitely see them maturing in other ways way, way faster than I expected

830
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,200
them to.

831
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Yeah.

832
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:20,480
It's just kind of scary and intimidating, but like also quite exciting at the same time.

833
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,960
And I don't know if it's just because it's been so long since I was a child, but sometimes

834
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,960
I'm like shocked at how much they know about the world already.

835
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,080
And it can be quite confronting as well.

836
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,120
It just puts them into perspective.

837
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,400
I think like how, how quickly that all happens to children.

838
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Um, but yeah, it's, it's really fun to watch them kind of becoming tiny little people.

839
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,240
Cause did you, did you growing up, do you find like, what was your biggest revelations

840
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,380
during your teenage year?

841
00:46:57,380 --> 00:47:03,120
What did you sort of go, this is me and this is my identifying features or like know yourself?

842
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,320
What was your big turning point?

843
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,960
Um, interesting question.

844
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:25,280
So my biggest kind of discovery about myself, I think that when I was a teenager, I think

845
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:34,160
that's when I, that whole truth about kind of what other people think about you doesn't

846
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,160
really matter.

847
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:42,640
It kind of became, became a thing for me because I, beforehand I was very kind of concerned

848
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,840
with what my peers thought of me, what the teachers thought of me and what my family

849
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,280
thought of me.

850
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:58,240
And I think when I was kind of like towards the end of high school-ish kind of area, it

851
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:02,280
kind of dawned on me that I was like, Oh, well they might think, you know, bad things

852
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,360
or not very flattering things about me.

853
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,920
And that doesn't really matter that much.

854
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,920
No.

855
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:17,840
Um, do you, do you feel like now, especially as an adult, you know, that people, I guess

856
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,760
like not underestimate you or, but do you feel like people sort of like don't know you

857
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,760
or, or, you know?

858
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,760
I think people overestimate me.

859
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,560
No, they're like, they know, they think I can do this.

860
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,560
I think I can do things.

861
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,560
I can't do.

862
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:37,240
Um, I think people do, I think I do surprise people sometimes.

863
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:44,520
I think, yeah, people that think they, they know me, they don't know me.

864
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,520
Secret enigma.

865
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,520
Yeah.

866
00:48:46,520 --> 00:49:01,080
I have, um, a very kind of broad range of interests and, and I think, I don't know,

867
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,560
I guess I'm trying to say like, you can't pin me down.

868
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,560
Yeah.

869
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,760
You can't, you can't tell me who I am.

870
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,080
I think people think that they, they know me fully and then, but they never really do.

871
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,200
I mean, that's good.

872
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Isn't it?

873
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Because it's like, it means you can walk through life because especially like, you know, you

874
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,880
know, it goes back to that.

875
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,120
What are your interests and what, you know, you know, particularly everything.

876
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Um, I guess a lot of people kind of associate, you know, especially, you know, like women,

877
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,680
I think in particular to pin, you know, always put them into categories of like you're like

878
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,360
this and you're like this and you know, this is, this is the lifestyle and this is like

879
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,800
the things you need to do in life.

880
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,520
And you're just very much like, yeah, whatever.

881
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,320
Like cool, throw it to the wayside and you know, just do you.

882
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:02,600
Um, but you know, like you did that all on, you know, like on your own as well.

883
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:08,220
Like, you know, you, you've decided to do this all sort of like, you know, life choices,

884
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:11,000
you know, cause you live, you live currently on your own.

885
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,000
I do.

886
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Yes.

887
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,680
And that's kind of not something that most people, especially, you know, I guess most,

888
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:23,880
you know, I know a few women have done it, but like, it's not very common, um, as a choice.

889
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:31,560
I think it's insane that though, I think it's, it's, um, not very common just because I

890
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,960
think it's in the area that we are in Sydney.

891
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,560
It's quite impossible actually.

892
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,600
And it's, it's almost impossible for me as well.

893
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:47,240
But I think a lot of people would actually choose to live alone if it was financially

894
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,760
viable for them to do so.

895
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,760
Oh God.

896
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,760
Yeah.

897
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:51,760
I loved it.

898
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,760
I lived alone for two years.

899
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,760
It was great.

900
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,760
Yeah.

901
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,760
Yeah.

902
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,760
It is the best I must say.

903
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,680
But also I think you're right in that it's, it's a fairly new kind of idea, I guess, for

904
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:08,760
women to like move out and live on their own, move out of their parents' house and live

905
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,320
by themselves or, or, you know, with a share house of friends.

906
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,320
Yeah.

907
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:19,600
Rather than moving in as like their, their bow or whatever, you know?

908
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Yeah.

909
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,040
I mean, it's like, I think for me as well, I've always broken the norm.

910
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:30,840
I lived with, um, I lived with two friends first off, um, when I first moved out and

911
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,120
then I lived with another friend and it was just me and her, um, together in, you know,

912
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,520
one sort of assumed we were dating and we weren't, we just like had two separate bedrooms

913
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,000
and slept in two separate rooms.

914
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,280
Like it was just very platonic.

915
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,800
And then I lived on my own for two years and then I moved in with my partner.

916
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,280
So it was very much like, I didn't ever live the rambunctious, like, you know, share house

917
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,280
life.

918
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,400
I don't think I've missed out.

919
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,560
I don't think I've felt like I missed out, but it is interesting because I feel like

920
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:10,480
when I moved in by myself was during the pandemic, like, so I lived in this nice tiny apartment

921
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,480
and I loved it.

922
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,880
And I sort of got very used to having that lifestyle of like, this is safe and this is,

923
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,880
you know, very easy.

924
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,120
Um, but yeah, it was interesting now.

925
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Like, yeah, it's funny sort of seeing that now because like, yeah, I, I, I, the only

926
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,600
reason I miss that place is because it was like just such a memory for me.

927
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,040
And you were sort of remember when you live alone.

928
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,240
I don't think it's like, cause how long have you lived alone?

929
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:41,920
Probably around two years now, two and a half, I think.

930
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,920
That's awesome.

931
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:43,920
Yeah, it's great.

932
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,600
I, you're like, no one changes.

933
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,840
I just really enjoy my own company.

934
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,840
Really?

935
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,560
Yeah, I do.

936
00:52:51,560 --> 00:53:00,200
Um, and I think it's just so wonderful having a space that you can well and truly be yourself

937
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,280
without any fear of anyone's judgment.

938
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:12,520
And you can kind of let yourself be without, you know, putting on some kind of front for

939
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,520
anybody.

940
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:22,720
Do you, did you find it difficult moving from living on your own to moving in?

941
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,840
A little bit, but not in the way that I would have thought.

942
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,120
Like it was completely like, I think the thing I like is it's sort of, I think the only thing

943
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,480
is working, like focusing on work and actually getting stuff done.

944
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,160
It's sometimes a little more difficult than I get and give it credit for.

945
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,320
But, um, cause you know, like living in your own feels like you have your own office space

946
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,160
and you can kind of do anything at any time.

947
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,880
But I do, the thing I do love about living with, especially with a partner is like you

948
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:57,280
do come home and you've got, you know, your best friend there and everything.

949
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,080
But also the thing I loved about living on my own was also the fact that when I came

950
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,400
home, I didn't have to see anyone.

951
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Like, and it's interesting as well because I'm very introverted.

952
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,800
I like my alone time.

953
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:17,360
I love just watching TV, chilling, doing, doing nothing is how I get my energy and all

954
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,360
reading a book.

955
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,240
Like it really fluctuates.

956
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:28,520
And I think that a lot of the time, you know, like I would go and see people and then after

957
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,240
two hours I'd be like, yep, done.

958
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,560
You know, like I'm out, I'm chill.

959
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,440
Uh, it's why I never stayed late at parties as well.

960
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,840
I think when I lived with three people, like two other people, that was the most difficult,

961
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,760
I think living wise, um, was because there was, there was one too many people.

962
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,960
I think I could only live with one other person.

963
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,600
So when you add that extra layer, cause I think it's the way my brain's wired.

964
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,760
I just, if I don't have a moment alone, at least some point, I was like, my bedroom's

965
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,600
my only safe haven.

966
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:03,240
Um, but because I'm a massive DVD and Blu-ray collector, I had all of those in my room because

967
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,960
there was nowhere to store them in the living room.

968
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,600
So they would come into my room to grab stuff and watch it.

969
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:15,320
And I was like, never felt like my, like any room of the house was safe to just have me

970
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,320
time.

971
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,440
Um, but I did also have the biggest room, like the bedroom of the house.

972
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,440
I see you won.

973
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,680
I did win in terms of size.

974
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,920
Um, but man, it was such an old apartment and it was so warm.

975
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:28,920
It was so hot.

976
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,720
Like it had no aircon.

977
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:31,720
It was the worst.

978
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:33,720
Uh, does your place have aircon?

979
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,360
No, no.

980
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:41,600
So I guess my, yeah, the worst downside to my place is that it gets freezing cold in

981
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:49,840
the winter and boiling hot in the summer, but it's a small price to pay.

982
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:50,840
I think.

983
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:51,840
Yeah.

984
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:52,840
And I do, I spend a lot of time.

985
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,800
I mean, I, I've been going on about how much I live.

986
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:01,680
I love living alone, which I do, but I spend a lot of time outside of my home as well.

987
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,600
I do like, I'm quite introverted in that.

988
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,760
I really like you.

989
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:13,560
I need my space to go to, to kind of like retreat to, but I also, I really enjoy spending

990
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,720
time with other people and going out and doing things and being places and going to work

991
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,920
and going out to the park and all this kind of stuff.

992
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:29,800
So I think, yeah, my, my little, my little abode is my little battle.

993
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:38,840
It's like very much just my, my retreat for when I need to, when I need to recharge.

994
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:39,840
Yeah.

995
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,880
Do you feel like now that you're getting older as well, like you need to recharge more often

996
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:45,880
than you?

997
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:46,880
Absolutely.

998
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,880
Yeah.

999
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,880
I've, I've been appreciating.

1000
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:51,880
Yeah.

1001
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Just a quiet night with a book, a lot more in my older age.

1002
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,640
There's not as many like, let's go out to this gig that doesn't even start until midnight

1003
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:09,000
and a lot more like browsing through my library and like, what shall we read?

1004
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,000
Jane Eyre or something.

1005
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Yeah.

1006
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,680
Very, very, very, very astute with Jane Eyre.

1007
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,680
I like that.

1008
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:18,840
Very classic literature.

1009
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,960
Actually, what's your favorite books?

1010
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:22,960
What is, what is?

1011
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,320
Well, I do like my classics.

1012
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,080
I have a vast library.

1013
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,200
I'm a bit of a book nerd, to be honest.

1014
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,680
I love that.

1015
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:39,120
But my, I was actually talking about this to someone recently cause I was asked what

1016
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:45,920
my favorite books were and I narrowed them down to three and they're all war stories.

1017
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,920
Wow.

1018
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,920
That's very specific.

1019
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,680
I didn't intend for that to happen, but yeah, I really like Slaughterhouse Five.

1020
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,680
Wow.

1021
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Okay.

1022
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,800
I like, well, all of Vonnegut is just amazing.

1023
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,160
I love Catch 22.

1024
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,160
And I love this book, Everything is Illuminated.

1025
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,160
I don't know that one.

1026
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Yeah.

1027
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,400
Not many people do, but I recommend it.

1028
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:12,760
It's a great read, quite confronting, but incredible story.

1029
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,200
And it's kind of, it's got a few different settings.

1030
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:22,280
It jumps around a little bit, but it's largely set in World War II.

1031
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,280
But yeah, that was an accident.

1032
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,840
I didn't mean for that, but apparently I like war stories.

1033
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,840
I can tell.

1034
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:37,080
But war stories, I guess that are a little bit satirical rather than like, yeah, go to

1035
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,560
America or whatever.

1036
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:44,520
Catch 22 is a kind of very bleak slash interesting look at, you know, survival.

1037
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,280
Yeah, I like the dark humor for sure.

1038
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,280
Yeah.

1039
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,440
I mean, it's interesting because I'm more of a like, I love novellas.

1040
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,840
I love like short stories.

1041
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,440
One of, oh God, like one of my favorite books.

1042
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,560
I've read, I love Neil Gaiman.

1043
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,840
I'm a huge Neil Gaiman fan.

1044
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,520
I've read various different core lines.

1045
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,920
So I've read his graphic novel of it.

1046
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:15,800
I've read the book, I think, which I loved.

1047
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,080
It's a great kids book.

1048
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,320
It's not even really a kids book.

1049
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,440
It's kind of like a teen book.

1050
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,600
It's got a lot of like dark elements to it.

1051
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,440
I think those are the only two adaptations actually.

1052
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,440
The comic was great.

1053
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,640
I can't remember where I got it from.

1054
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,640
I think it was like in Canada.

1055
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:38,320
And I also read the, and then I saw the movie, which was the reason I fell in love with them.

1056
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,480
But I love Neil Gaiman.

1057
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,360
I'm also a big fan of Dracula.

1058
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,360
Bram Stoker's Dracula.

1059
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,640
I love that to the nth degree.

1060
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,080
I think it's also because it's like very mistold, it's one of those books that I think

1061
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,080
it's actually-

1062
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,080
I've heard that.

1063
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,080
Yeah.

1064
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,080
It's adaptations are nothing like the book.

1065
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,400
It's the same with Frankenstein.

1066
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,000
Another one, Mary Shelley's adaptations are actually nothing like the book.

1067
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,440
It's very particularly, really weirdly different.

1068
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,440
Really?

1069
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,440
Yeah.

1070
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:13,320
So a lot of classic literature, like you think Jekyll and Hyde and Frankenstein and Dracula

1071
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,800
would have been told properly, none of them have been really adapted properly.

1072
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,200
Because they're very fundamentally quite grounded stories.

1073
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,240
They're all about how people deal with situations and how they deal with monsters and everything.

1074
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:32,720
And I think a lot of, like Frankenstein, Victor Frankenstein is just an idiot really in the

1075
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,720
book.

1076
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,660
He is actually just a moron who makes a monster and then just regrets all his choices once

1077
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:39,640
he's created a life and he goes and runs away.

1078
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:45,200
I remember reading it, it was many years ago, but I just remember reading it and it felt

1079
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:51,920
like reading the diary of some melancholy teenager that was like, what have I done?

1080
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,200
My life is miserable.

1081
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,400
And then he's like, the monster is actually really intelligent and just goes, make me

1082
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,560
a wife, make me a companion in life.

1083
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,520
And he's like, oh!

1084
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,080
It's really interesting because I guess everyone remembers the Universal, like the Universal

1085
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,800
Monster movies and everything like that, and that's what people remember were the stories.

1086
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:17,920
Then you know, like Jekyll and Hyde ends up with Dr. Jekyll actually ending his own life

1087
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,760
because he doesn't want anyone to be a victim of Hyde.

1088
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,160
So he just goes, you know what?

1089
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,800
I'm the problem behind everything.

1090
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,600
So if I do this deed, everyone's going to be safe.

1091
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,960
And I'm like, there was a great video I watched, which is online somewhere.

1092
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:39,080
I can't remember the title of it, but these great historians, one's a historical channel

1093
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,960
and the other one's about fiction.

1094
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,760
And they both analytically talk about it.

1095
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,680
And yeah, the end thing is he's like, this is the only scientist in any book that actually

1096
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,600
takes responsibility for their actions.

1097
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,400
I'm like, wow, that's actually quite true.

1098
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,760
Because basically he just doesn't go, oh, fuck it, I'm going to let everyone die.

1099
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,520
He just goes, no, I can't deal with it.

1100
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:03,880
But I think it's like all the adaptations show it as a tragic hero kind of, or a tragic

1101
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:04,880
story.

1102
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,120
Or it's completely different.

1103
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:11,880
But I think you've got to remember that these stories are about people who have made mistakes

1104
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,720
and whether they own up to their responsibilities or the responsibilities come down and hunt

1105
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,720
them down.

1106
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,160
That's the point of Frankenstein's monster.

1107
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,000
The monster is very clever.

1108
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,000
It's a human basically.

1109
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,780
It's just presented a body part.

1110
01:02:23,780 --> 01:02:29,060
So it's going to go after its creator to be like, you know, you've done this, take responsibility

1111
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:32,680
and help me live.

1112
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,160
So yeah, there's a lot of ambiguity.

1113
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:40,920
But I also do love stories that really like, I'm currently reading Stephen King's The Mist,

1114
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,880
which have you read that?

1115
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:43,880
No.

1116
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:44,880
Is it creepy?

1117
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:45,880
It is creepy.

1118
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,760
It is like very unsettling.

1119
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,640
It reminds me a little bit of H.G. Wells.

1120
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,240
Him as a writer, and I often think this, H.G. Wells and Stephen King are very similar just

1121
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,440
in certain aspects of how they see things.

1122
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,760
And I think it's like, all I remember is H.G. Wells, what is it?

1123
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,760
War of the Worlds.

1124
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:08,760
Great book.

1125
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,760
I just read that.

1126
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:10,760
It's great.

1127
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:11,760
I love it.

1128
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,760
Although it's really weird.

1129
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:13,760
I struggled with it.

1130
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,480
I only love it though that the opening scene is literally a guy in a tree just going and

1131
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,520
hiding for ages.

1132
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,520
The world sucks.

1133
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,800
What did you dislike about it?

1134
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:35,440
I, okay, controversial opinion, because I know that it's obviously just probably his

1135
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,840
best known and best loved book.

1136
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,040
And I've been reading a fair bit of H.G. Wells recently.

1137
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:50,000
And I think that one, War of the Worlds, was maybe the third or fourth one that I read.

1138
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,640
And I loved the other ones that I read.

1139
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,560
I was like, these are great stories.

1140
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,560
They're captivating.

1141
01:03:54,560 --> 01:04:02,040
War of the Worlds, I just found that it was, the narrator was just kind of spent the first

1142
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:11,280
maybe 14, 15 chapters being like, oh, the horrors, the horrors, they're coming.

1143
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,920
The Martians are coming.

1144
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,720
And he didn't even describe the Martians for like 14.

1145
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,720
I was like, who?

1146
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:19,720
Who's coming?

1147
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:20,720
Tell me about them.

1148
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,400
I want to know what's going on.

1149
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,640
But he just kept talking about the big cylinders that landed.

1150
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,920
People start dying because they've got like heat rays or whatever.

1151
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,320
So everyone just starts running away being like, oh my God, they're coming for us.

1152
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,640
And it took a long, long time to actually get to the heart of the story.

1153
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,640
Yeah.

1154
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,640
It's probably not like the-

1155
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:43,800
It's a slow burner.

1156
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,120
It's also like The Invisible Man, which I feel like-

1157
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,120
I loved that one.

1158
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,080
I feel like that's a slow burner as well, but in a different way.

1159
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,800
I guess so, yeah.

1160
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,800
I love that you loved that.

1161
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,720
I found it really funny.

1162
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,880
It made me laugh out loud.

1163
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,160
It's pseudo-science is hilarious though, like how it works.

1164
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,160
And he's like, oh, I'm fragmented of light.

1165
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,280
And I just loved the attitude of The Invisible Man.

1166
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:19,840
He was so scorned and even though he did this to himself, and then he spends the entire

1167
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,960
book being like, fuck you all, I'm invisible, this sucks.

1168
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:24,960
But then he gets beaten up and-

1169
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,960
Kind of playing tricks on people.

1170
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,960
Yeah, he gets beaten up by a mob at the end.

1171
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,960
Yeah, well he deserves it.

1172
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:31,960
He's an asshole.

1173
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:32,960
Yeah, he is.

1174
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,280
Didn't the invisibility just make him go mad as well?

1175
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:38,280
He just kind of was driven-

1176
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,440
Oh, is that part of it?

1177
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,440
I thought he was just a bad guy.

1178
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:41,440
Yeah, I thought he was just a bad guy.

1179
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,320
No, I think it was also the fact that he couldn't be seen kind of drove him a little bit nuts.

1180
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,440
I feel like that would have added onto his frustration.

1181
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,720
I mean, yeah, it's one of those things.

1182
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,960
It's a double edged sword.

1183
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,480
He can get away with a whole lot, which he does.

1184
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,800
But then also, no one can see him.

1185
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,800
No one sees him.

1186
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,800
No one really is.

1187
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:04,800
Are you a big horror fan?

1188
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:05,800
Or are you kind of like a-

1189
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:11,920
I'm a scaredy cat, but I like horror.

1190
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:12,920
Interesting.

1191
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:18,800
But I spend most horror movies and things with my eyes closed kind of shrinking down

1192
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,800
in my seat.

1193
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:20,800
I love that.

1194
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:26,440
If you want a recommendation of any sort of story, The Woman in Black.

1195
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,600
I've heard good things.

1196
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,600
I love that.

1197
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:29,840
The movie's okay.

1198
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,800
The play is fantastic.

1199
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,800
And the book is also great.

1200
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,480
It was a book first, then it was turned into a play, and then it was made into a movie

1201
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,560
with Danny Redcliffe, which is just very weird because it's clearly him just out of Harry

1202
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,560
Potter.

1203
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,560
Straight first roll out of Harry Potter and just look at the entire film and go, Harry

1204
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:48,560
Potter.

1205
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:49,560
Victorian.

1206
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:59,880
But yeah, it's this great story about this house that is haunted by this woman.

1207
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:04,080
And you sort of look at it through, and I think the play adaptation is really quite

1208
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:10,000
scary as well, because I remember there's this scene where a lot of the time he's talking

1209
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,920
to people and then you just see this figure of the woman walk around the set and you're

1210
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,880
just unsettled by her existence.

1211
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:19,880
And I think it's-

1212
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:20,880
That's really cool.

1213
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:21,880
It's so cleverly done.

1214
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,880
It's hard to make a live performance scary.

1215
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,880
Yeah.

1216
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,280
I've seen two live performances, scary ones, and that was one of them.

1217
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:34,240
The other one was, I think, an amazing, I think it was Swedish or it was Russian.

1218
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,240
I can't remember.

1219
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:42,800
It definitely wasn't an English production, but it was this amazing production they'd

1220
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,640
called Horror, and it was sort of like this movement piece.

1221
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:47,640
And the entire thing was movement.

1222
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,280
There was no dialogue.

1223
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,980
And it was just really unsettling because they were just scenes that suddenly were just

1224
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:57,840
encapsulating moments where it was body contortion and stuff like that that this one of the

1225
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:58,840
actors could do.

1226
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,400
And I just remember sitting there and just going, it's the score.

1227
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,920
It's the, you know, like everything down to the performances and, you know, like the live

1228
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,800
on set, like, you know, body parts that were flying around.

1229
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,840
It was like really unsettling.

1230
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,840
But they were just scenes that I was like, oh my God, this is just like really, like,

1231
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,680
I was thinking about the next day and I was like, God, this is actually quite creepy,

1232
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,340
like to see real.

1233
01:08:21,340 --> 01:08:23,400
And I think that's more unsettling than watching in a movie.

1234
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,480
And I'm like, sure, sure, sure, sure.

1235
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:29,480
Like I'm sure these people are dead.

1236
01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:34,600
But yeah, when you see it on stage, but like, I definitely also think that the wonders about

1237
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:39,800
books is you can always like the translation, you can describe things and I think they're

1238
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:44,400
more scary in your head than they ever could be like in real life.

1239
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:50,440
Of course, because you're putting your own, you're making it into what you're most scared

1240
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:52,440
of, I guess, subconsciously.

1241
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:53,440
Yeah.

1242
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:57,160
Like, are you, do you think that you prefer books over movies?

1243
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,160
Um, hmm.

1244
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,840
Asking you a good question.

1245
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:01,840
Hmm.

1246
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,840
Can anyone say that?

1247
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:08,400
Depends on adaptations, like adaptations are books.

1248
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:09,840
Let's be specific adaptation.

1249
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,840
Oh, okay.

1250
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:16,000
Well, then books are always better than movie adaptation, I guess, because, you know, it's

1251
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,120
they're more personalized.

1252
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:21,160
Like you said, you're, it's your, it's what's in your mind.

1253
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:27,120
You know, you get to picture a book exactly how you want it to be.

1254
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:33,280
And also it just gives a lot more room for room to play, I guess, like a movie can be

1255
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:39,520
very limiting within like time and budget and performance and all of those factors,

1256
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,520
obviously.

1257
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,800
Whereas if you're reading a book, it can be anything you dream of, you know?

1258
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:45,800
Yeah.

1259
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,640
So it's clearly war time for you.

1260
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,640
Apparently, apparently.

1261
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,080
I just want to be a little soldier.

1262
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:56,960
I do want to bring us back to acting as well.

1263
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:02,680
So acting is something you still want to pursue like long term in life, do you think?

1264
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,920
Or is it kind of like something that's taken the backseat these days?

1265
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:10,640
I mean, it's currently sitting in the backseat, but it's still there, you know, tapping on

1266
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,680
my shoulder, you know, backseat driving.

1267
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,680
Like it's, it's, it will always be my first love, I think.

1268
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:18,680
Yeah.

1269
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,120
It will always be the thing that I go back to.

1270
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,600
But it's just hard, really.

1271
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:32,280
It's a cruel, cruel world out there for actors or want to be actors, I guess.

1272
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:37,520
So I think it's, it's something that I still always come back to.

1273
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,520
Yeah.

1274
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:47,000
I guess these days it's more of just like a hobby kind of thing rather than a career

1275
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,440
pursuit, I guess.

1276
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,440
Yeah.

1277
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:51,440
That makes sense.

1278
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,440
I don't know.

1279
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:58,000
It is something that I've always loved and will always love, I think.

1280
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Forever and always.

1281
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,000
Forever and always.

1282
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,120
I mean, that's, that's awesome.

1283
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:10,320
Do you feel like now though, is it, you know, that it's, what do you think is particularly

1284
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,120
harder now that the older you get?

1285
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:24,760
Um, find, A, finding roles that fit me and B, finding the time to pursue those roles

1286
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:34,080
and other, other acting world things, I think, because yeah, these days I've got bills to

1287
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:41,960
pay and I've got like, you know, rent to pay and I've got family things and, and my other

1288
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:46,280
creative pursuits and work and everything.

1289
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:52,600
It just makes it hard, I guess, sometimes to, to find the time that's needed to, to

1290
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,680
commit to it 100%.

1291
01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:01,680
And then also, yeah, I guess now that I'm not like 20 years old and like young and fit

1292
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,880
and hot, like it's harder to find roles for myself.

1293
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,880
Yeah.

1294
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:08,880
But.

1295
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,760
I mean, I bet you were like young and fit and hot, like it was, like that only happens

1296
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:13,760
when we're young.

1297
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,800
Well, well, for some of us.

1298
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:24,520
I mean, do you, do you feel like also though, that you, you know, get older and then suddenly

1299
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:29,840
you just feel like roles kind of shrink for you of what you can do?

1300
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:41,320
Yeah, in my, in my experience, yeah, I've had my kind of opportunities limited a little

1301
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:48,680
bit lately, as opposed to when I was, yeah, kind of fresh in the game.

1302
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:49,960
What roles would you want to play?

1303
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,280
Like, what are your ideal roles?

1304
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:58,960
I mean, I love everything, but I guess I'm pretty much always lean towards more like

1305
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,000
comedic roles.

1306
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,160
And I like things that are a little bit surreal and absurd as well.

1307
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:08,520
You like comedies?

1308
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:09,520
I like comedy.

1309
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:10,520
Yeah.

1310
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:15,320
I'm always more into theater as well, I think.

1311
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:16,320
Really?

1312
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:22,280
Like I like everything, but I've, I've got a love for the theater.

1313
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,640
Yeah.

1314
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:31,400
And I think at the moment there's, yeah, not a lot out there from what I've seen for me.

1315
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,400
Yeah.

1316
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:37,400
Is that anything particular that you think sets you apart?

1317
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:43,040
Yeah, I'm just really cool.

1318
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,040
I don't know.

1319
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,040
I don't know.

1320
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,680
I think I can bring things to the table.

1321
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:49,680
I'm sure you can.

1322
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:56,560
I mean, like I do think the theater industry is particularly like very clicky probably.

1323
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,320
Like they like working with the same people all the time.

1324
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:04,000
But yeah, it's interesting that you talk about like auditioning and like finding the time

1325
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,000
to do things.

1326
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,000
There's a mosquito buzzing around.

1327
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,520
It was, it just flew by.

1328
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:16,680
Yeah, I always find that quite interesting because a lot of the time it's either you

1329
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:22,720
take 50% of your time to make it into the industry and make zero profit and burn more

1330
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,440
money than you do.

1331
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:30,880
But I feel like it's like, it goes back to like, you know, a lot of other podcasts and

1332
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:35,560
a lot of my friends who run podcasts we talk about regularly as well is what kind of defines

1333
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,080
us and what makes us.

1334
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,960
And realistically, it's probably like, I always think it's interesting when people talk about

1335
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,160
like, oh, my youngness appeals to the creators and stuff.

1336
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:50,680
I feel like, you know, natural aging and being an adult and you know, like, we very much

1337
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,280
limit people, don't we?

1338
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,760
Very early on, we're like, this is your box and this is forever where you will stay and

1339
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,680
you will never leave it and that is fine.

1340
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,200
But as you know, people we constantly evolving and changing and you know, like in 10 years,

1341
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,040
15 years, we won't be the same people as we are right here right now.

1342
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,700
We will be different.

1343
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:10,700
But that's okay.

1344
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:14,840
And I feel like when we sort of go for roles and when we sort of like see there's so many

1345
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:20,520
different characters that are able to be made and you know, particularly like that.

1346
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:26,120
And I feel like a particular, you know, do you feel like people try, especially with

1347
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:31,280
theater, like trying to always put you into certain roles or, you know, or do you want

1348
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,720
to be like a bit more other other types of roles?

1349
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:52,800
I think I, um, looking back, I think I get cast quite frequently as like two things,

1350
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:53,880
mainly.

1351
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:59,840
I've had some great roles and I love them all, but I usually get cast either as the

1352
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:05,280
dumb blonde or like the damsel in distress.

1353
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,760
Right.

1354
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:11,440
And great roles, super fun, especially the dumb blonde.

1355
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:17,440
That's a, that's a really fun one to play around with, but it can be quite limiting,

1356
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:18,440
I think.

1357
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:23,560
And I think there's not really a lot else out there.

1358
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:33,520
I think I'm in a bit of an awkward age at the moment where I'm at the end of my twenties

1359
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:44,640
and I'm too old now to play like the young hottie, as I was saying before, the leading

1360
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:54,060
lady, you know, and I'm too young to play the mom, which is one of the other big roles

1361
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:57,480
that are out there for women, I guess.

1362
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:03,240
So I think I'm just kind of in that awkward, awkward middle area.

1363
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:08,200
And obviously there are some great, great roles out there, but it's when there's, you

1364
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:19,880
know, 500 other ladies like me also auditioning for the role, it can be a bit kind of brutal.

1365
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,360
I think it's interesting as well because I feel like you sort of grow to a point where

1366
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:30,840
like, you know, as great as those roles that you've done in the past, you kind of go to,

1367
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:36,280
I want to do other things and you want to do those like more challenges.

1368
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,480
It's interesting that you sort of mentioned them other things as well, because yeah, we

1369
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:44,160
are, we are about that age where we're suddenly like, well, we're not young, we're not spring

1370
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:45,160
chickens anymore.

1371
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,160
But we're not, you know, parents.

1372
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,280
We're old people.

1373
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,560
We're not old people.

1374
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,920
We're old-ish, but not old.

1375
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:04,640
And I think, you know, it's interesting because, you know, especially with this year as well,

1376
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,600
like, you know, I just turned 30 and I was like, oh, okay, my metabolism is really slowing

1377
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:10,600
down.

1378
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,520
I've got to do a lot more things to kind of like stay healthy and stay fit and, you know,

1379
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,720
at least be well off.

1380
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,280
And it's interesting, like that mentality when, you know, my early 20s, I was like,

1381
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:25,080
I don't have to do jack shit to kind of stay like this hot and this amazing.

1382
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,560
Now you need to do all the work.

1383
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,600
And I think it's sort of like, it's interesting when I see people younger than me, like, especially

1384
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,080
when they're in their early 20s and I go, this will not be forever.

1385
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,480
Like you kind of have to, you know, I understand what my parents were saying.

1386
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:39,960
Suddenly it all hits real.

1387
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,440
Yeah, you really do.

1388
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:47,840
But I think as, you know, it's also part of the reason that I think, you know, roles are

1389
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:53,760
now expanding, especially, you know, for people like you, you know, in your position, because

1390
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,560
there are many roles that didn't exist.

1391
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:01,160
But I think the whole, I think the way Hollywood puts it and the way, you know, especially

1392
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,840
Australian industry put it is very limiting.

1393
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,040
They kind of always try and put everyone into boxes.

1394
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:11,880
And I think that's the damaging side of especially young performers and performers like us or,

1395
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:17,280
you know, platforms like us, because they're like, oh, unless you're like Oscar bait, you're

1396
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,760
not, you're not worth investing in.

1397
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,200
And I think that's really interesting because then it's like, you know, you only see the

1398
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,920
same five actors in all the drama roles and everything, you know, no one has any opportunity

1399
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,600
to really grow as performers because then they're cast into side characters that have

1400
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:37,400
like one or two lines rather than, you know, get to be in like, you know, a recurring character

1401
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:38,920
or, you know, like something like that.

1402
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:44,160
And you actually get time to explore and learn, you know, and put more focus and challenge

1403
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:45,160
yourself.

1404
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,720
There's none of that now as like they used to be.

1405
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,000
You either crack the seal and get the right role or that's it.

1406
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,400
Like is that frustrating to you?

1407
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,680
Is that part of the reason you like you put it on the background or as well?

1408
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,760
Yeah, absolutely.

1409
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:05,400
Like it's one of those things that if you could just get that one role that could kind

1410
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:12,880
of, yeah, propel you a little bit further and give you the opportunity to showcase your

1411
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:13,880
skills, I guess.

1412
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:14,880
Yeah.

1413
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,720
Then it would make everything a whole lot easier.

1414
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:23,960
If you're, if you're just perpetually going to auditions for roles in, you know, small

1415
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:32,160
roles in web series and things and commercials and things like that.

1416
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:40,200
It can be really kind of disheartening, I guess.

1417
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,040
And it makes you kind of question like, oh, you know, what am I doing this for?

1418
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,120
Like is it ever going to be?

1419
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,040
Am I ever going to get to do the things that I really want to do?

1420
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,040
Yeah.

1421
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,920
Do you think, do you think you'll eventually be able to do them?

1422
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,720
Do you think there's opportunities that you'll be able to crack into?

1423
01:20:58,720 --> 01:20:59,720
Is that that spark never?

1424
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,120
I mean you can't give up hope, you know?

1425
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:04,960
As soon as you give up hope, you lose.

1426
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:05,960
You're done.

1427
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:14,840
So I think there's always going to be that push that like, you know, maybe I'll get the

1428
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:20,160
role of my dreams one day, I'll get to like play around with it a bit more.

1429
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:29,640
But I think as of late, it's more, my mindset has kind of turned more towards I'm going

1430
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,720
to have to make that role for myself.

1431
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,720
Yeah.

1432
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:40,400
And yeah, put on my own production, I guess, rather than, than being in someone else's.

1433
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,640
Isn't that the way it's like, you know, we get into this point where we're like,

1434
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,880
we've either got to make our own thing to crack it because no one else is going to invest.

1435
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,360
That's it.

1436
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,040
It's very interesting because I feel like, yeah, and I don't think there's any right

1437
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,640
or wrong answer, you know, because I don't think I've gotten to the point where I've

1438
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,200
been able to crack it either.

1439
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,120
So not telling anyone that.

1440
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,400
But it's interesting because people like automatically think I've made it like, they're like, oh,

1441
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,440
you run a podcast, you know, you do all these things.

1442
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:11,680
And I'm like, I barely like, you know, have made it.

1443
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,480
I guess in my mind, I'm sort of like still trying and, you know, trying to do all these

1444
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:16,480
things.

1445
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:21,040
And it's really interesting because I don't think, you know, as people, we're always trying

1446
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,280
to look for perfection and, you know, satisfaction.

1447
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,600
But I think as artists, we're always kind of go, it's impossible.

1448
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,920
Like, you know, and it, you know, like, it is impossible.

1449
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:35,160
Like, I don't think I'll ever truly be satisfied with everything I've ever done.

1450
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,760
But, you know, that's, that's part of life.

1451
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,880
It's sort of, you just got to be content, like, and just deal with it.

1452
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,160
Like, it's, it's, it's very interesting.

1453
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:48,280
And I think it's probably also a reason why I made a lot of my own stuff as well, because

1454
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,760
I was like, I'm keen to see people that I know and stuff, you know, like, let's make

1455
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,040
it because it's kind of where the fun is.

1456
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,760
And if I'm not always working with the same people, I'm working with a bunch of different

1457
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,760
people.

1458
01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:59,760
It's really fun.

1459
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:00,760
It's really challenging.

1460
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,120
It's, you know, it's a bit unique.

1461
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:06,920
But yeah, when we all sort of live into this sort of like cocoon where everyone's like,

1462
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,480
oh, I need to be a serious actor.

1463
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:12,400
And I'm like, well, you are a serious actor, but you know, like, you can also have fun

1464
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,320
because this whole industry is meant to be fun.

1465
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,360
And the moment you sort of like, oh, no, I have this conversation regularly.

1466
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:23,440
But I think when you take it so seriously that it doesn't become fun, stop doing it

1467
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:24,440
for a while.

1468
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:25,440
Yeah, yeah.

1469
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,440
Like, it's got to be fun.

1470
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:31,040
It's life is too short to stress day to day.

1471
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,960
Otherwise, yeah, it just becomes another job, I guess.

1472
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:34,960
Yeah.

1473
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,840
And then as soon as you start kind of doing it for the for the love of it, then I think

1474
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:45,880
that's I guess that's the only reason that any of us kind of got into this industry in

1475
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:46,880
the first place.

1476
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,480
Like no one's like, oh, you know, I've got to pay my rent.

1477
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:53,320
So I better get a job as an actor.

1478
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:58,520
Like, we do it because it's fun for us and we love it.

1479
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:04,560
And yeah, yeah, as soon as you you're not having fun anymore, then that's that ruins

1480
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:05,560
it for everyone.

1481
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:15,480
Yeah, and it's time to take a step back and and not reevaluate reevaluating and rethink.

1482
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:23,800
But I think I think it's admirable and awesome how much stuff you make.

1483
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,400
I think it's crazy.

1484
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,960
I mean, yeah, it's a little bit crazy, but it's really cool as well.

1485
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:36,960
And I think I yeah, I think that's the way to go to just make your own stuff, because

1486
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:43,280
I don't I don't know, do you feel like you've got more kind of control over?

1487
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,320
I think so.

1488
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:46,440
It's very trial and error.

1489
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:48,680
I think I've learned a lot.

1490
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:49,680
It's very stressful.

1491
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:55,100
I will admit that I think wrangling is probably the most stress.

1492
01:24:55,100 --> 01:25:00,120
But I think what I love particularly is like the day like when you get to make something

1493
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,160
or you're filming something or you're recording something like that day, once that everything's

1494
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,800
there, it's great.

1495
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,440
Like it's the best feeling.

1496
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,360
Organizing all that is the most stress inducing thing.

1497
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,040
It's like hours and hours of prep.

1498
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,280
But yeah, like this, I don't think I've ever stopped.

1499
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,740
I think I've like there was something about me when I was like 11 years old.

1500
01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:22,800
And I remember I was 11 or 12.

1501
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,200
I was making a short film with my dad.

1502
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,720
And I've done that ever since like I was a kid.

1503
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,880
I got a, you know, a camcorder and stuff like that.

1504
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,680
And I've just done it ever since I was a kid.

1505
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,800
I've always just been like, okay, cool.

1506
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,000
If no one can help me, I'll go and do it by myself, like kind of thing.

1507
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:43,120
And you know, it's that it's that mentality of not trying to let anything stop you.

1508
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:48,040
And realizing it goes back to that thing I was saying, which is perfection is impossible.

1509
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:53,240
Like it's like nothing I make will be perfect.

1510
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:54,600
As long as it's fun for me though.

1511
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,160
And I think step away from a project when it's no longer fun.

1512
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,040
Like there's a few stories that I worked so hard on it and I haven't abandoned them,

1513
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,560
but I stepped away from them because I was like, this isn't funny.

1514
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:04,720
Well, this is a lot of stress.

1515
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,840
So I'm going to come back to these maybe in a year or maybe in two years and then rework

1516
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:09,840
on them.

1517
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,240
Like, you know, like give yourself a break because everything's got to be fun.

1518
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,080
Everything's got to be enjoyable, especially when you're not always making money from

1519
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:18,080
it.

1520
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:23,880
Like you're kind of like, you've got to realize it's a hard industry to crack and I'm not

1521
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:24,880
here to crack it.

1522
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:31,440
I'm here to enjoy it while it's there and live my best life doing it.

1523
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:35,680
You know, whether that means I, you know, have to do a full-time job elsewhere to make

1524
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,240
ends meet or anything else.

1525
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:38,840
Like that's my mentality.

1526
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:40,760
That was really cool.

1527
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,640
I liked that.

1528
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,880
I mean, it's, it's, it's the way I feel like people need to go as well.

1529
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:50,800
And I feel like, but I also, I always say that, you know, no idea is dumb and you know,

1530
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,480
and anyone's idea is like clever and smart.

1531
01:26:53,480 --> 01:27:00,400
And you know, you might not always see eye to eye, but I think that passion and drive,

1532
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:05,840
you know, is one of the funnest, like is the only thing that keeps us moving forward.

1533
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:10,000
And I think it's like one thing that I just never go, Oh, you know, like something bad

1534
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,840
will happen or someone will be like, Oh, I can't do this.

1535
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:17,120
Or, you know, like, um, someone pull out or something and I'll stress me.

1536
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,520
And then, but I'm like the next day I'm like, Oh, cool.

1537
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,400
Let's sort this out and deal with it.

1538
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:27,760
I'm very like always that mentality of never letting something define, you know, that particular

1539
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:28,760
moment.

1540
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:33,940
And I think that's the only way you get things done because if you constantly beat yourself

1541
01:27:33,940 --> 01:27:38,480
up about something that didn't go the way it was meant to go, you're never going to

1542
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:39,480
get anything done.

1543
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:44,120
You're just going to self deprecate and self focus and do you want it forever?

1544
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:49,240
It's a, I mean, like, yeah, I think, I think that's the only thing, but I also think that,

1545
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:54,000
you know, like, um, like, look, you know, this year I've got a few other things that

1546
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,280
I want to do this, this year.

1547
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:01,560
I mean, like, it's not even 2023 yet, but by the time this comes out, it will be 2023.

1548
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:05,880
But yeah, like in that year, I plan to do some more stuff and you know, like, I might

1549
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,120
be like, Oh, Hey, Farron, you want to come on and do this when you've got time.

1550
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,120
You know, be like that.

1551
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,800
Cause I always like, like working around people's insane schedules.

1552
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,800
It's like, and whenever days are free.

1553
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,280
But yeah, it's like one of those things that I always just think, what do people want to

1554
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:20,280
do?

1555
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:26,440
What do they like trying to negotiate and stroking to?

1556
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:27,440
That's my mentality.

1557
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:28,440
That's really awesome.

1558
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:37,560
Do you, do you see yourself kind of continuing down this path of, of making content, making

1559
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,560
content?

1560
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:39,560
I hope so.

1561
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:40,560
Hashtag content.

1562
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:41,560
I hope so.

1563
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:42,560
Yeah, cool.

1564
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:47,160
But I mean, like, it's like, it's like yourself and other people who come on, like the podcast,

1565
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,880
I initially thought it would go for six episodes.

1566
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,600
Now it's gone for a year, a year and a half, two years.

1567
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,200
So it's like, I've been recording since 2020, so it's nuts.

1568
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,920
So yeah, like there's no real end.

1569
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:01,280
Do you, do you feel the same though?

1570
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,520
Do you think like you need to start making content now?

1571
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,520
Like, or with the stuff you make, do you think you're, you know, with the music, do you think

1572
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,680
you'll stop like just after you've done some recording or do you think you keep doing it?

1573
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,680
No, I think it's ignited something in me.

1574
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:15,680
I love that.

1575
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:22,600
And I've got like so many ideas just swirling around inside me that I think need to find

1576
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,240
their place in the world.

1577
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:33,200
So I think it's, it's definitely something that I just want to begin pursuing.

1578
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:40,760
Whether or not it actually goes anywhere is, you know, I'll leave that up to chances, but

1579
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:41,920
like, I don't know.

1580
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:47,440
I think it's worth taking a shot at it and giving it a go.

1581
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:50,880
Can I just say, I absolutely, a hundred percent am backing you on this.

1582
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,960
I think I love, I love that.

1583
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:59,000
That's so much like enthusiasm to see where the chaos brings you.

1584
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,640
My album will drop in 2023.

1585
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:02,640
Oh really?

1586
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:03,640
I don't know.

1587
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:04,640
I'm putting it out there.

1588
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,320
Maybe that'll inspire me to.

1589
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,320
I'm holding you as that quote.

1590
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,320
Sure.

1591
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:11,320
Put it, put it out there.

1592
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,320
Put it as the tagline for this episode.

1593
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,320
Done.

1594
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:16,320
Oh my God.

1595
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:21,600
I'm going to use this as a perfect point to wrap this up, Baron.

1596
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,120
But I will say I have loved this chat.

1597
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,840
Such an enthusiastic and lovable person.

1598
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,840
Thanks.

1599
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:34,600
Now my first question to you before we wrap up, where can people stalk you?

1600
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,040
Where can they find you on the internet?

1601
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:40,120
The best place is probably my Instagram.

1602
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,760
It's at Yuck Disgusting on Instagram.

1603
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:48,240
Follow me there if you want to see pictures of my dog and other things.

1604
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,840
Why is it called Yuck Disgusting?

1605
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:51,840
Everyone asks that.

1606
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:52,840
Honestly, I don't know.

1607
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:53,840
I don't know.

1608
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:59,560
That's just maybe what was going through my mind at the time.

1609
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:03,880
But it's stuck and I'm Yuck Disgusting.

1610
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,120
That's who I am.

1611
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,120
I love that.

1612
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,280
But no, thank you so much for joining us.

1613
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:11,280
Thank you for having me.

1614
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,280
It's been a blast.

1615
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:13,280
Amazing.

1616
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,160
And if you want to go and check out more episodes of The Things We Do, you can check them out

1617
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:17,160
on Apple and Spotify.

1618
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,320
I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later.

1619
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:21,320
Goodbye.

1620
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,240
Bye.