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I'm not trying to train people, but it does.

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The moment they're in front of a mic, they're used to micing other people up.

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At the moment they sit in front of something themselves, they're like, I don't know what

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I'm like, you've done this for like 30 years.

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I guess mics that I'm familiar with, the idea is to hide them and not see them.

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Yeah, I know.

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Acting one of them.

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I'm like, someone's not doing their job right.

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Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like boom and shot and you're like, this should not

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be right.

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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film life, television culture, mental

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health and all of that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend, Sophia McGregor.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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Hello.

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I feel like when I said that so tightly, it didn't feel natural.

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But your name, I love it.

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Everything about it is like, where did McGregor come from particularly?

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Well, McGregor, it's, I mean, it's, that's my clan.

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We're Scottish.

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I just, I mean, our ancestors are, you know, Irish, Scottish, British sort of, you know,

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amalgamation.

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We've done a little bit of ancestry with my family.

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Oh nice.

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Yeah, but we love McGregor.

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We love our last name.

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I think it reflects our family really nicely.

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And we look like McGregor's, so that works.

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I know you're very distinctly like red, strawberry, sort of like blonde.

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You know, that sort of auburn almost as well.

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I imagine it's like very seasonal when your hair can kind of be more auburn.

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Yes, I think it's also, yeah, we're from Queensland.

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So our hair always throws like that, the brighter colours during the sun, like the sunny months

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as well.

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Yeah.

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How long have you lived in Sydney now?

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I'd say four and a half years, something like that.

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We came down in 2019.

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Oh, okay.

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Whatever that is.

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But it's felt not that long because of COVID.

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It's felt like maybe two years.

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Oh my god.

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Yeah, I know, I looked at my calendar the other day and I was like, I've done so much

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in like four years, but it does not feel like time has passed.

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Actually.

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There was two years there where I felt very stagnant and I wasn't moving.

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And then this year actually feels like such a refreshing push forward into where I want

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to go from like not moving anywhere for ages.

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That's awesome though.

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I like it.

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I'm going to first ask you off the bat of the question, the biggest question that everyone

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in their ears probably are curious about.

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I'm going to get you to tell everyone in the audience who you are and what you do.

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Well, who I am, I am 25 years old and I am an identical twin.

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That's a big part of who I am, my best friend, Molly.

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I was raised by a single mum.

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I'm a Queenslander.

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I think in Sydney it's important to say that because there's a lot of Sydney sliders here

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and they think they're in a little bit of a bubble.

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And I'm an actor.

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Which you know, all around like that's so cool.

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And your sister, your twin is also an actor.

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It was just before COVID started becoming a problem.

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Radio School.

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And she did that and she got in and now she's in her third year.

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She's about to graduate with a BA in production.

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That is so cool.

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That is, I think because we already had so much experience with acting, it really, she

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had a lot of stuff behind her when she joined, like started the course.

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And so she's just excelled.

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That's awesome.

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She's great.

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She's really, she's a fantastic director, assistant director.

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Yeah, she can do it all.

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Those are all the fundamental skills and I feel like something that, especially when

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have had trouble directing actors.

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especially a film space where you're not coming in with a lot of rehearsal.

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not going to get what they want the filmmakers.

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And it comes down to like, it's a layer effect.

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It comes down to casting.

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It comes down to like, you know, clear communication and also clear vision.

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I think filmmakers, directors, they're probably just generalizing on the quieter side and

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or maybe just not as aware of how to communicate or as confident in that space.

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Whereas actors are probably the complete opposite generally, at least in that space.

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They're confident within their role to express themselves wherever they need to go.

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clerical stuff, on their vision, how they're going to get it done.

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to people in order to portray the actual feeling.

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Otherwise, it's just words on a page.

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It doesn't help.

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So just need to be clear and concise.

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I think sometimes you can get a bad result if you under rehearse and then sometimes I

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There's a real sweet —

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Just when the actors get comfortable, you do one more take and then move on.

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Hopefully that's it.

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I've been on a few sets where people are trying to do 12 takes and stuff.

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I'm like, you are burning people out.

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This comes to a point where you're not going to get a different version of what's happening.

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then 12 takes would be great.

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There's something that you're building to and if the actors having to build to that

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consistently can be draining.

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You're talking about natural experience right there.

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A little bit.

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I mean, like when — because how old were you when you started acting?

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Molly and I were in grade five.

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My mom put us in a theater.

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It was a local theater in Harvey Bay where we used to live.

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And we do classes weekly.

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And then that would build to like showcases every semester or something.

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That's awesome.

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And so we started with theater up until grade eight.

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And then that's when we moved to Brisbane for our rest of schooling.

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And that's when we had that move also was us deciding that we want to be more serious

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about it.

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And then our father, who we have a semi relationship with, he just happens to be an agent.

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And I think we were getting more older and more ready for that sort of space.

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And that's when we moved into more filmmaking side of things, right?

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And then theater side of stuff.

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I mean, that's awesome, though.

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I mean, downside a little bit of the estranged father.

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He's fine.

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We've closed that off.

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He is who he is.

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That sounds like a can of worms.

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Well, it's not.

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I mean, the can of worms is that not everyone's perfect, including the people who brought

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But I'm an adult now and I have a great mom who raised me.

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Which, you know, like single mom, you know, with two kids.

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Molly and I were never wanting.

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So it's not like I have a strained relationship where I was like, oh, he didn't give me something.

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I'm like, he's just a guy.

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He did his best.

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That's all I can ask for, really.

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I mean, they do the best kind of, you know, relation.

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But it also sounds like your mom was very much an advocate to make sure that you two

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had a very like, you know, happy and comfortable life as well as doing the things that you

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wanted to do and love doing.

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Because I mean, like that, especially when you're a single mom, that can be a challenge.

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what's best for your kids.

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fairly shy, Molly more than me.

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She was one of those kids who would just cry really easily.

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I wasn't far off, but I think with twins, you always have like the yin and yang situation

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where one is essentially taking the brunt of being stronger for the other person.

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But I think at that point in life, she was just very emotionally vulnerable.

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So mom was like, we need to kind of help with their confidence a bit.

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She put us in there.

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it really helped with this communication and finding something that you feel comfortable

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we had creative outlets, but they didn't really give us that full freedom that we needed because

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they are, you know, there are limitations.

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You've got to do this in this the right way.

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Or I think with acting, it's all about expression and doing it however you think is right.

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Which I think is what we were missing.

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It's very interesting you say that as well, because I feel like, yeah, it's such an expressionism,

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possibly also why I should have love it and hate it.

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But I mean, also, I think it's one of those things that when you do train in it, and I

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used to do acting in Australian theatre for young people and stuff like that.

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So I did a lot of community theatre growing up.

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But I think one of the things I really liked was, I remember particularly in drama school

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was presenting, was just kind of doing what I'm doing now.

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Those are the things I loved because it was talking to people and it was, you know, and

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getting reactions from audience, which I always think is quite fun.

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And I always liked, you know, being like the narrator and stuff.

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And that's, I can't remember the Australian play for the life of me.

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It's very famous Australian play where this writer goes and tries to direct a play in

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a prison or like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not cosy, is it?

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I think it is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So it's based the players, Cosentino, some opera.

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I love that because yeah, Cosy's great because Barry Otto's in it.

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And I know Barry, he like lives in my suburbs.

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Oh really?

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Yeah.

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It's, and he's just the sweetest man.

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And yeah, he's a great Australian actor as well.

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And that movie that's based off the play is so good.

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And I think it's one of the only things that has continuously like held up because it was

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made in the nineties or something.

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Yeah.

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It's got Tony Collette in it.

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It's got David Wenham in it, I think.

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Yeah.

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Like all these amazing Australian actors and Barry Otto, of course, doing an amazing performance

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as well.

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Yeah.

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And it's a great, great, like fun thing to do, especially with like, you know, in performance.

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So we got to do that.

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It's like all different character characters in it.

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Yeah.

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And I think it just kind of like, you have a lot of things to play with, especially like

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I played the guy who was the, you know, the writer and director.

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And I think even then it was sort of reacting because normally in drama class, I get a lot

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of the quirky characters as well, but they were like, one of my friends was like, no,

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play the straight character because everyone around you then gets to be completely bonkers

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and you're great acting across from everyone being the straight person.

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I was like, all right, cool.

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And it was just the most surreal thing.

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Because I remember we did, we, because I went to Sydney secondary college and it was split

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into two schools.

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We did it in Lycart High School, which was, and then we had to go and perform it again

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at Blackwater Bay, which was where year 11 and 12 were.

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So we did this performance at the big school in front of year 11 and 12 kids.

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It was terrifying.

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And you were younger.

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We were younger at the time.

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So we were in year nine.

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So it was like one of the most, you know, cause you know, anyone who doesn't know Australian

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sort of like social things, everyone says, you're not in a shithead.

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But it's, it was kind of one of those things that you went on stage and I remember everyone

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was terrified.

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Like we were all like, Oh God, are they going to think we suck?

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That would be so scary.

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I would hate to perform solely for older kids.

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Yeah.

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It's like, and also like these are some kids who are planning to do this for their careers

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and are judging people who have not even established themselves as knowing what they want to do

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entirely.

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So it was like this dread of pressure and we were all sweating and like, Oh man, it

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was, it was an interesting experience.

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But I do think that that really taught me the fun side as well of just performing people

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you don't know, people with a lot more experience than you potentially.

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And throwing yourself in the deep end.

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Like you know, I think that's the joy of like the arts is you always get to throw yourself

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into these scenarios.

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And I think it's also good doing that when you're in school, because that's the time

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in your life when you're starting to retreat more, especially high school, you're retreating,

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you're retreating and then your drama class, you're at theater school, whatever it is,

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is pushing you in the opposite direction, which is really good.

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Cause if that's your only outlet during the week of being able to express yourself or

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like just speak louder than a normal voice, you know, like just to yell or scream.

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That's really important to get that out.

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Because otherwise you're just bottling it and bottling it.

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I think it's, I think it's also like, you know, cause you hit the nail on the head as

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well with that as well, because you know, young teenager, you as well as you and Molly,

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like, you know, and you talk about like, you know, being shy and what was your teenage

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years like?

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Was it, was it very like, focus a lot on, you know, you know, interest in sex and life

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and everything, or was it still very focused on like drama?

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It's weird.

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Molly and I, we watch, we consume a lot of TV and film and everything.

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So we've seen all of the coming of age movies.

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I love them.

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I'll watch them still now.

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And I, we've always been very like not adult, but very, and I don't like to say we're mature

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for our age or anything, but we, I think, I don't know what it was, but we, we didn't,

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we weren't reaching for all of those things that other teenagers, really archetypal teenagers

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are.

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I don't drink now.

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I barely drunk any alcohol when I was in high school.

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Like I did, I didn't even, I barely experimented.

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I maybe had a little bit of alcohol and was like, do you know what?

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This actually tastes gross.

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I'm not going to drink it.

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And then you have people saying, well, if we keep drinking it, it starts to taste still

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good or you're going to get whatever, fearless way.

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And I was like, I'm actually good.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what that says about me or whatever, but I did, I definitely wasn't looking for

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any sort of like, I don't know, heightened energy.

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I was really happy with where I was, at least in like the social aspect for, to an extent.

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I would say I was, I'm, I was still, I was shy in high school or at least quiet.

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Molly was, could make friends way easier than I could.

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I don't know why that was, but, um, cause we were very similar in most ways, but mum

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put us in different classes when we were in primary school, um, which meant we made our

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own friends.

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And so we actually didn't hang out with each other at lunchtimes.

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We had our own groups.

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We would do our own thing.

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And, and then when it went to high school, because we were so similar, that's when we

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started, you know, maybe being a class or two together.

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And then we'd spend our lunchtimes together because Molly would make friends easier.

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And I would just be like, that person's my friend now too.

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And all my long-term friends were Molly's friends first.

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Um, yeah.

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And yeah, that's just, cause I think I, as a person, I just don't throw all my eggs in

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the basket for new people.

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Yeah.

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I'll hold it back a bit.

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Whereas I think Molly is so lovely and open.

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She'll be more welcoming to new people, which is more, I think it puts other people at ease

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quicker.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah.

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And so I think that meant that like, by, by the time I got to year 12, that's when you

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kind of lose a lot of those friends that you had when you were in grade nine, you know,

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you, you start to think about who you want to be more, which means other people start,

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or you start distancing yourself from people.

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And so when it got to year 12, I had like one friend and it was, I was kind of sad and

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depressed, but, um, I, I, I mean, I, I didn't mind it because I didn't want to be like close

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with all those people I went through with, you know, you, and then when you leave high

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school, you don't talk to any of them.

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Maybe one or two.

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And now it's been, oh gosh, I graduated in 2014.

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Can you do that math quickly?

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That is eight years.

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Eight years.

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It's been eight years.

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Yep.

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One of my best friends who actually didn't go to the same school for a majority of that

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time.

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She's still my best friend.

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Um, well, two of them are, um, they both live in Queensland though.

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So we, our relationships are like still there and still very present, but they're distant

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and they're different because we're, you know, it's all online at the moment.

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Um, but other than that, it's yeah.

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Like maybe on Instagram and that's it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's, it's the handful of people like, I, you know, and it's funny, I feel like I'm

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like you as well.

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I can put too many of my eggs in one basket and you know, trust people blindly, but it

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also, um, I do wear my heart on my sleeve, which you know, is a detriment as well because

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it can, um, from experience, you know, burn bridges and, or, you know, cause I think there's

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a good thing about being nurturing and caring and everything, but there's also a good thing

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about being reserved and not going, okay, I'm not going to rush into new people.

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I'm not going to be like, Oh, here is my open floor plan and tell you everything about

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myself.

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Well, I think I've just in the past, you know, when you, I think you're similar to me in

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the way that if you like a subject and you, and someone's open to listening to you, you

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talk and talk and talk and talk and talk.

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And maybe, maybe then you leave that situation and you go, why did I say that one thing?

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Why did I give them all that information about myself when I don't think they actually deserved

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it?

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Um, or maybe they didn't even want it.

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Um, and I go, Oh, I don't think that person was really the right person to give all that

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information to about me.

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And now they know all that and I feel kind of weird about it.

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Um, so I think when I, and that happened a lot when I like the year after I graduated,

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I was like, I'm, I don't know if these people actually either like me that much or if they're

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the right people that deserve all of this, all of me.

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And then once I started realizing that, and in most cases I was right, I was like, you

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know what, I'm actually gonna, you know, step back a bit and just let, let the right people

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in or at least think about it more.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like, I think, um, I'll let you open the water bottle.

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So you can have a simple, we make more noise.

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I love the subtlety of your like down here.

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Um, yeah, I, I, it's interesting as well, because I feel like with people and, and, and

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the way people function, um, especially for me, I think it was like, I got very excited

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and, and it's something about my, like, um, the way my brain's, why, which was like, I

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have intention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which is fine.

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It's mouthful, but, um, generally a lot of people assume that, you know, they, what they

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find odd about it is the hyperactivity side and the excited side.

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They don't know what to do when someone's really passionate about something.

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So a lot of the time when someone would be like, Oh, Marty, you've watched that film.

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What did you think?

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And I'll be like, someone's talking to me about a film that I love.

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Yes.

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I'm going to tell them everything about the film.

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And then you'd realize halfway through the conversation, they're like, well, that's a

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lot of information.

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I really don't care anymore.

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I just wanted to know if you liked it or not.

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Like that's all I cared about.

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And I started to realize like a lot of people didn't like it things the way I saw it.

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And I was like, Oh God, am I like really just annoying people with all this information

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that I love?

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It's hard.

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It's so hard.

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Cause it makes you feel like, Oh gosh, I've, I don't know.

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It just puts a lot of your personality on someone else really quickly.

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And I know exactly what you mean.

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I, I think my personally has personality has changed because of how many times that happened

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when I was younger.

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And maybe for like the detriment, I think that person who like has that passion is a

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great person and should be like, uh, congratulated for how much they care about something.

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And the more you kind of beat yourself down for those things, the more you're going to

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feel shit about yourself.

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And do you know what, like who cares in the end, like those people, they're going to literally

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walk out of that situation and forget about it.

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Like it's not going to impact them.

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It's only impacting you because you care so much about how other people feel about you

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and how you, how you make them feel.

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And that's, it's hard, but I'm, I'm also trying to like be kind to, to, kinder to myself in

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those situations because like, why not?

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Like why can't, like, why can't you just express how, how much you love something?

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A hundred percent.

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I mean, it's also, it's one of those things that I think society is massively changing,

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but it's sort of one of those things that I think is such a, you know, should be switched

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from a negative 10 to a positive 10.

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Because I, you know, when I meet people who are interesting, I often call them weird or

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strange.

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And I always mean that in a positive way, because it's better to be weird and different

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than it is to be like the sheep that everyone's the same.

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Because I find people when we go through like life and stuff like that, and everyone watches

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the same shows.

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And it's like, particularly when people binge watch stuff and they're like, I remember the

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first time like Stranger Things and stuff came out.

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I refused to watch it because I didn't want to have conversations like everyone else.

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I was just like, I'm going to leave this for a year, give not, I'm very bad with like people

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telling me to watch shows.

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I just watch them in my own time, but it's the same with books.

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Like if you tell me to watch or read something really specific and you go, you'll love this,

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it'll take me ages till I actually get around to it.

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Cause it's the hype.

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But I think, um, that's why I try not to over hype things for people.

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I try not to get too disappointed because I always go into it with my own reflection

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and go, this is good.

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I enjoyed it.

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You might not, or you know, like anything like that.

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But I mean, also at the same time, um, you know, I, I think it's being, you know, 30

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now, I stopped giving a shit about like so many people's opinions.

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Um, in, you know, in good ways when there were sort of like, cause I knew a lot of people

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and I, you know, my partner had described it very, um, very accurately, which is fair

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with the friends, you know, people who come in and out of your life and, you know, and

475
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,080
this whole like idea of, you know, close friends who then don't become close friends or, you

476
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,520
know, like situations and circumstances change.

477
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,240
And we define ourselves entirely based on, you know, I guess how many people we have

478
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,040
on socials and, you know, like stuff like that, which we were talking about before we

479
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,760
started recording, which I think is a bit silly because it's how many people are actually

480
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,760
in our life as you know, like, and how many people actually remember, you know, like that

481
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,920
today is actually my birthday and they've not just looked on Facebook and gone, oh shit,

482
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,920
it's your birthday.

483
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,480
Like it's people who are actually just sort of very, you know, aware, a bit more self

484
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,400
aware and they put the effort in and you put the effort in back to them.

485
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,280
That's how you develop actually good foundations.

486
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,080
Um, but yeah, when I go out to people and I go, I like this thing.

487
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,540
And then I hope that even in, you know, like if I'm at work, um, it's sometimes very strange

488
00:26:52,540 --> 00:26:56,040
because people will talk to me about things and I'm very quiet at work.

489
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,000
I'm the most quiet person at work and everyone tells me about their life, what they're doing.

490
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,000
And I'm like, this is the place where I just want to switch my brain off.

491
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Look at my phone.

492
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,680
I'm not trying to be rude, but I just don't care.

493
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,120
But then I remember being that person and doing the exact same thing, you know, and

494
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,040
feeling the exact same way to other people.

495
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:22,320
It's a very hard thing as an adult to do and, but it's self preservation as well.

496
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,360
Like would you, would you say like, you're very good at being honest now about like when

497
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:32,480
you need, you know, like you don't need someone obsessing in front of you or getting too excited?

498
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,480
I think so.

499
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,000
I mean, to be honest, I haven't often been on the receiving end of that.

500
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,320
In the past, you should be the one who's, you know, talking my mouth off to someone

501
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,320
about something.

502
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,280
Um, I love your honesty there.

503
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,360
That's a better, I can't, I can't picture it.

504
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:55,920
Um, but, uh, I think, yeah, I think I am more reserved now and I, cause I go, I don't know,

505
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,360
I think I got a lot of feedback in high school that maybe I was, I mean, you can do easy

506
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:05,520
comparisons to my sister, so maybe I was the bitchy one, but that was just me not talking,

507
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,680
you know, or holding myself back.

508
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,960
And, um, that affected me a little bit.

509
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,520
And I was aware of that for many, many years.

510
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:20,360
And I think it's gotten to the point where me being aware of that has made me more, um,

511
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,360
shy, which isn't a bad thing.

512
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:29,600
I'm fine with being more shy, but it just means that in situations like at work and

513
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,760
stuff, I won't be the first person to talk.

514
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,640
Um, which I'm okay with for now.

515
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,560
And I think being asked questions is, I don't mind that being, being, um, involved in a

516
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:48,720
conversation I love, but maybe when it's something's put on me, um, too quickly, I'll go red.

517
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,040
I'll get too blushed and be like, Oh gosh.

518
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,040
Um, I have people staring at me, but that's only in my personal life.

519
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,080
It's not when I'm acting, when I'm acting, I'm very, you know, open and different.

520
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,320
Which is cool and interesting because I mean, like that's, that's the unique position you're

521
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,320
in.

522
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Um, but I mean, like, it's interesting that you say that, but you're going to assume you're

523
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520
bitchy and, or, you know, I would say that's past tense.

524
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:18,360
I don't think that's any more now, but I think that affected how I have kind of evolved over

525
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,360
the years.

526
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Yeah.

527
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,760
I think it's interesting though, because I would, you know, from face value and stuff

528
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,600
and you know, correct me if I'm very wrong.

529
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,640
Um, but I think, you know, you remind me a lot of elements of me as well, very similar

530
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:37,440
because it's sort of like reserved, but also, you know, warm and kind.

531
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,840
You just kind of got to like get to know, like one of my closest friends is the exact

532
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,840
same way.

533
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,680
Like she is just, when we met first thing, we didn't have a lot to say to each other.

534
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,760
And then over the years, like now she's like one of my closest friends and we talk all

535
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,680
the time, but it's sort of like, yeah, it was like chipping away.

536
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,840
The layers of just like, okay, let you a little bit in now, let you a little bit in there

537
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,280
and a little bit in there and sort of like slowly, you know, unraveled.

538
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,280
But I think so.

539
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Yeah.

540
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,280
I get that.

541
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,480
If we were some type of animal, we'd be something that was trepidatious.

542
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,480
Yeah.

543
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,080
You know, switching you things like a cat or something.

544
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,080
That's yeah.

545
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,080
Yeah.

546
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Um, but I mean, like it's interesting because you have that juxtaposition of your sister.

547
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,000
Um, and you did that.

548
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000
She's not outgoing though.

549
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Like she's not like, she's not like, woo, like she's not that, but I think just comparatively,

550
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,680
she's more, um, you know, able to let herself go in those, you know, situations.

551
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,720
I love how high in the defense you went on.

552
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,200
Like, I just don't, if she were to hear this, she's going to be like, what are you talking

553
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,080
about saying that I'm some sort of like life of the party?

554
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Like she's, she's definitely just more open, I would say in new situations.

555
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,040
I mean, like, but did that affect you as well, because, you know, like you must've gotten

556
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,360
so much, you know, good and bad scenarios due to the fact that being, you know, twins

557
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,920
and stuff, and especially being female, was there a lot of comments at school about, you

558
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:09,640
know, inappropriate stuff that was thrown at you or was it very much very, you know,

559
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,640
PC?

560
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Um, there was weird things that like every now and then someone would be like, do you

561
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,560
guys wear the same underwear?

562
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,560
Do you share underwear?

563
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,200
And we'd be like, what are you talking about?

564
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,200
No.

565
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Um, but, uh, other than that, not really.

566
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Like I think mum was really smart in putting us in different classes because that let us

567
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,480
be our own people for those younger years, which was really important.

568
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,400
I think if I, or my, if I was to ever have twins, I would do the exact same.

569
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Yeah.

570
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,960
It's so important because we spend so much time together having that separation in order

571
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,800
to be, to be alone in social situations is so important because that's how everyone else

572
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,800
lives their lives.

573
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,800
They go to school by themselves.

574
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,920
They sit in a class by themselves, but for the most part, I'll sit beside my sister in

575
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,600
nearly every situation.

576
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,400
And having that separation is so important to evolve as a person.

577
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,160
So I don't think we had any of that, like kind of weird comments, especially when you're

578
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,160
younger.

579
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,160
I don't know.

580
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,440
I think we went to, we did a diploma at New York film Academy at village Racho studios

581
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920
on the Gold Coast in 2015.

582
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,040
So the year after we graduated high school and we were in, we weren't in classes together,

583
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,760
but we were in the same cohort together.

584
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,120
And so we were called the twins, which I'd never been called before.

585
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,120
Wow.

586
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,920
Just because we hadn't been in that sort of situation where we'd be together so often.

587
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,440
And I didn't really like that.

588
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,080
The people who were saying it, of course, were our friends, our peers, like they had

589
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,240
no, they were like, they didn't think of anything of it.

590
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,380
But I just remember being like, I don't like being called the twins.

591
00:32:55,380 --> 00:33:04,200
It means that we're, we're something different or we're something other or we're something,

592
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,880
twins can be often portrayed in film and TV as gimmicks.

593
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:13,640
They are the butt of some sort of joke about just being almost in a way how like little

594
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,960
people are in that sort of like circus or freaky vibe where it's like, that's not really

595
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,240
what the reality is.

596
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,240
It's just weird.

597
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,840
And so when I, when we started getting called the twins, I was like, ah, I'd rather not.

598
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,640
And that's when I would like, I started getting a nickname instead.

599
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040
They call me Fi or Fia.

600
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,200
And I think that is where my, cause I was always just called Sophia when I was younger.

601
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,680
And I think it was me trying to be like, Hey, you could call me this instead.

602
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,480
Or like, like I'm an individual who has like, who can have a nickname rather than just be

603
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,560
like, Oh, they're both the twins.

604
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,280
Like where are the twins?

605
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,280
The twins are over there.

606
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Like weird.

607
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,280
Oh my God.

608
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:02,160
I mean, like, yeah, cause I'm really glad about that because you do see a lot of the

609
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,840
time in, in movies and stuff and it's portrayed horribly, especially in the late 90s.

610
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,840
It's just lazy.

611
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,840
It's so lazy.

612
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,120
If the amount of people when I was like an actor, like just doing auditions and stuff

613
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,840
when I was young, a little bit younger, who were like, Oh, I have this great idea.

614
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,920
You and your sister, you're creepy.

615
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,440
We have you standing side by side in matching dresses.

616
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,920
Am I?

617
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,920
Okay.

618
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,920
No.

619
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:33,760
It's the most unoriginal, um, shining sort of gimmick and it's boring.

620
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,840
Even in the shining.

621
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,320
I mean, I've read the book.

622
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,320
They're actually not twins.

623
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,640
They're just sisters in the film.

624
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,520
They hired two twins who actually look more fraternal than me.

625
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,520
They don't even look identical.

626
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:50,240
So the whole concept is just, but I always know what I love about that.

627
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:55,040
And particularly is because visually you do remember it because of the similar outfits,

628
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,640
but I, you know, I didn't look at their faces in the film.

629
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,840
To be honest, I just looked at the fact that they were identical same outfits.

630
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,840
One's a little bit taller than the other.

631
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,840
Oh, sorry.

632
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,840
There you go.

633
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,440
One's a little bit wider face, but you know, I pick up on that stuff.

634
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Yeah, you're an actor.

635
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,480
But I mean, like, you know, it's interesting that you say that as well, because I think,

636
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,880
you know, like memory, like my memory thinks of the parent trap, you know, but with Lindsay

637
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Lohan playing herself.

638
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,880
Both characters.

639
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,880
Yeah.

640
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,800
There's not a lot of examples of twins acting.

641
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,560
Yeah.

642
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,160
There's been some more interesting stuff.

643
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,600
I saw a trailer a few weeks ago of there's those musicians, Tegan and Sarah, who are

644
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,600
identical twins.

645
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,600
Yes.

646
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,000
And they've got a TV show or a film or something about their lives.

647
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,200
And though their characters play by identical twins, I was like, oh, that's really refreshing.

648
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Yeah.

649
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,440
Those actual real twins.

650
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,320
Usually it's one actor who's in some sort of split screen, which I think is kind of

651
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,520
like, yeah, they're great actors.

652
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,160
But there are so many good actors who are also twins who could have done those roles.

653
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,160
Yeah.

654
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,160
And it's a bit lazy.

655
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,560
I think I also agree with you in terms of horror and or, you know, like romance films

656
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,560
and stuff.

657
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,480
And it just tends to be that the twins don't, they're the same person, just copy and paste

658
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,720
and then hope that that.

659
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,720
Yeah.

660
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,600
Well, I think for one, an actor would be like, oh, yeah, I get to like be two different people.

661
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,120
That's so much interesting sort of juicy work as an actor that you get to do.

662
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,360
So much good research, so much character building.

663
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,800
I can see that.

664
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,840
And you also have the perspective of the production being in producers being like, we get to just

665
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,960
to pay one person or we are paying two people.

666
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,840
So usually they're going to pick the one if it's a good actor.

667
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,880
So I fully understand that sort of stuff.

668
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,600
I just think we are now in like, we've seen all that sort of stuff.

669
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,400
There's only room for something more original in you.

670
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,120
And the only way to do that is to just hire two twins.

671
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,120
Yeah.

672
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,480
But we've already seen all that stuff.

673
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,200
A good twin thing, but again, it's one actor is Mark Ruffalo in I Know This Much To Be

674
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,200
True.

675
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Yes.

676
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:05,080
It's like a limited series and it was the first time I've ever seen like twins portrayed

677
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,760
so beautifully and genuinely about how they really, how you really are with the other

678
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,760
person.

679
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,760
And it's, it's a really hard, I only watched it by myself.

680
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,640
I couldn't, I don't think I could watch it with Molly because it's, it's quite a harrowing

681
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:26,000
of a series, but it's, it's really important to show like how beautiful that relationship

682
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:33,160
is rather than just focusing on the physical, what it looks like from an outside point of

683
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,200
view, you know, just, oh, look, they look identical.

684
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,200
That's so weird.

685
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,200
They're the same person.

686
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,200
It's like, no.

687
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,200
Yeah.

688
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,200
I think that's also, I remember like a lot of conversations.

689
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,720
I don't know if this was just in high school, but it was always about dating and everyone

690
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,160
be like, oh, are you going to date twins and stuff?

691
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Weird.

692
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,160
It's so weird.

693
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Like I can understand, the only way I can understand that, and I have, we've seen it

694
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,080
before.

695
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,720
We'll real people do do that.

696
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,800
It's only because there's a shared understanding of what it means to be a twin.

697
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,320
That's, that's the only way I can see where that works.

698
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:11,720
It's like, okay, those two people understand what it means to be us and how close we are

699
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,400
is how close those two are together.

700
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,600
And I think there's something there that would make it easier for you to connect with the

701
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,440
individual of those two.

702
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,080
Like being like, oh, we understand each other because we've both had these very similar

703
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,080
experiences.

704
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,880
I can understand how that could happen and then happen for both of the twins in both

705
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:40,520
of the sets, but it's still weird when I, in that movie with Amanda Bones, when she's

706
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:47,840
in London, there's Peach and Pear or something and they're identical twin girls and they're

707
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,520
like sub characters.

708
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:56,680
Their little happy ending is they meet twin boys who have an equally silly name and they're

709
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,280
like, oh, we're in love.

710
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Because they're also freaks who are identical twins.

711
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,560
It's so laughable and weird because usually you'd want someone who's your own, like with

712
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Molly, like I want mine, my other significant other, you know, very separate to whatever

713
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,640
Molly wants.

714
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,480
Like maybe we have similar like people that we find attractive, but we have very separate

715
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,640
ideas of like who that's going to be for each other.

716
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Yeah.

717
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:36,720
It's pretty sibling situation as well, but yeah, it would be very kind of like, I imagine

718
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,480
people put you into categories and being like, oh, your sister's dating this person, so therefore

719
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,320
you must like the same person.

720
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Yeah, which isn't true.

721
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,600
No.

722
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,880
I think everyone that Molly's dated, I wouldn't date.

723
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,320
But you know what?

724
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,080
She's broke, like she's not with anyone right now, so I think she has realized that too.

725
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,920
It's just the long process, isn't it?

726
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,920
Yeah.

727
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:05,120
But I mean, like, you know, I feel like that's also really good because I mean, yeah, we

728
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,840
fall into these traps, especially, you know, situational now and we are breaking away from

729
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,640
them the older we get, especially with like, you know, not having tropes as much and people

730
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:21,080
having individual personalities, which is astonishing because, you know, like it's what,

731
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,640
only taken us 20 years?

732
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,920
Well, it's just funny that people can live their lives never having to defend who they

733
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,760
are and that they have a personality.

734
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,520
Whereas my whole life I've had to defend the fact that I have a personality.

735
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,560
I am a person who is separate from another person.

736
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,560
Yeah.

737
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Yeah.

738
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,480
Not so much now that I'm adult, because like you said, I'm not in those situations where

739
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,520
people would just randomly ask you those questions.

740
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,480
But you know, when you're in high school, when you're like studying, you are constantly

741
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,360
in situations where you're meeting new people who ask these kind of silly or weird questions

742
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,880
where they're like, Oh, are you and your sister like identical in every way?

743
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,680
The answer is no.

744
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,200
Like, like you're looking at me right now.

745
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,920
I'm I'm not connected to my sister.

746
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,560
So no.

747
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,800
Does your hair fall the exact same way?

748
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,800
Yeah, like, like, it's so tiring.

749
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,800
Yeah, go.

750
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,920
Oh, like, no.

751
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,920
And that's it.

752
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,440
When I was younger, I tried to give like witty answers, but now I don't care because it's

753
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,600
like, just like ask me something interesting.

754
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,560
But if you like, you know, that's when people fall, you know, out of and I mean, it's very

755
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,840
frankly, people just become very boring.

756
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,960
Because if you can't ask anything original or you know, then what's the point?

757
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Like, you know, ask questions that are immediate to the person in front of you and matter.

758
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,160
At least.

759
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,640
I mean, it's hard because not everyone's around twins all the time.

760
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,080
So it can be very easy to ask questions that we've heard before.

761
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,560
But I think as long as you're sincere, then there's no problem.

762
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,640
If it's something I've heard before.

763
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,640
Fine.

764
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,800
If you're actually being kind and answering something from a place of like, you actually

765
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,040
want to know all like you're honest about it, then sure, I'll answer your question.

766
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:16,040
But if it's just you being like, oh, do you guys know, read each other's thoughts?

767
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,000
And you say it without an intention, which is like, it's like half a joke.

768
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Yeah.

769
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,120
But it's a joke that that person has heard someone else say before.

770
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,920
And so they think it's funny.

771
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,920
It's just weird.

772
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,960
You know what I'm watching at the moment?

773
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,440
I started watching today was the midwitch cuckoos, which is on Stan.

774
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,040
It's got Keeley Hawes in it, who's amazing.

775
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,840
I love and I watched her like, since I was growing up, one of my favorite actors, but

776
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,280
I watched it.

777
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,640
And you automatically made me think of it, which is all creepy children.

778
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,160
Like the entire village is just creepy, like three to five year olds.

779
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,880
But then it's just kind of like, I remember the book, which was written by John Wyndham

780
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,400
was about all the good kids looked the same.

781
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,880
Like the whole point of the book was they all had blonde hair.

782
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,620
They all had blue eyes, didn't matter who the parents were.

783
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:06,400
They all came out the same.

784
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:12,560
And that was a creepy thing about it because they were alien esque and they had telepathic

785
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,560
powers and everything.

786
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,720
But this was written in the fifties and they've updated it now to where the kids kind of look

787
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,960
similar, but they don't, but they all have weird glowing eyes.

788
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:28,040
And I kind of think it loses what was weird about the actual, you know, book, which was

789
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,680
all the kids did look the same.

790
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,200
They had, they weren't just like identical twins.

791
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,520
They were all born from different parents.

792
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,040
And therefore it was just a really weird anomaly that they all have to have blonde hair and

793
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,040
blue eyes.

794
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,280
And that's cool.

795
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,680
I think like, I'm not saying that being twin is like annoying or weird.

796
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,360
I think it's, I love looking like Molly.

797
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:54,280
I think she's beautiful, you know, like I, and I think it's really interesting as well.

798
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,280
It's rare.

799
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,280
That's the thing.

800
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,480
That's why people love it because it's, it's not something that happens that often where,

801
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,200
where you, where you have people who look so similar to each other, which is why it's

802
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,120
really cool to see that.

803
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,120
I mean, portrayed in TV.

804
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,720
Yeah, I think and portrayed accurately.

805
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,760
That would be so hard to do though.

806
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,760
The writer, like the, whoever, like the production company, they were probably like, how could

807
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:25,520
we possibly have 50 children looking exactly the same without doing CGI?

808
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,920
And that's just so much money.

809
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,520
I, it was, there is a 50s version, which is called Village of the Damned if anyone wants

810
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,560
to iTunes it.

811
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,240
It's like, it only works because it's black and white.

812
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,400
You can get around a lot of logistical errors, but because we're at like modern television

813
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,440
and also just, I feel like we're going into this era with like, you know, the whole premise

814
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,600
as well as a, is very absurd, but it basically that like the premise is that a tall town

815
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:56,160
go to sleep overnight and every the next 12 hours, every woman wakes up who is, um, you

816
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,880
know, like at birth, like, and the point is if you were born a woman at birth and you,

817
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,680
and you're a child at an age, you can have a kid like you were, you are now suddenly

818
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,680
pregnant.

819
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,680
That's horrifying.

820
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,520
It's so horrifying because like I'm two episodes deep and all these women just like the moment

821
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,560
they were about to go and, you know, and trigger warning if this is for anyone, but they were

822
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,600
about to go and get abortions and they suddenly, the child within them controlled them and

823
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,600
made them leave.

824
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,960
And I was like, what the shit?

825
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,600
It like, it's so weird.

826
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,200
I don't know if I could watch that.

827
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,200
It's so weird.

828
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,200
It's unsettling.

829
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:34,000
And I feel like, um, I was reading and, um, you know, uh, like blog about it or something

830
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,040
and today and someone was like, basically there's no like the autonomy in this, in

831
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,760
this show is basically out the window.

832
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,760
No one has any rights.

833
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,760
These poor women.

834
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,760
Yeah, I know.

835
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,640
I was like just feeling sorry for every woman in this town was just going, cause half the

836
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,400
husband's like, no, we'll keep the child.

837
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,400
It's fine.

838
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,960
I'm like, don't say that.

839
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Let's get rid of these creepy situation.

840
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,560
It just sounds awful.

841
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,560
Yeah.

842
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,560
It's stressful.

843
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Yeah.

844
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,560
I know.

845
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Cause there were like a couple, I think it was really good because they had a couple

846
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,560
of like 16 year old looking girls who were suddenly pregnant and 15 year olds.

847
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,960
And I'm like, Oh my God.

848
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Yeah.

849
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,320
Um, you know, and that's the, like the thing I think that works about, especially about

850
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,360
like modern modern television now is I do think it's a detriment is when it's too politically

851
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,360
correct.

852
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,600
Like we've moved into such a PC.

853
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,880
Um, you know, have you seen, cause I talk about it all the time, but cancel culture

854
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,880
is a huge thing that I find very baffling to this day.

855
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:35,320
Um, because it's used either very aggressively, like through, you know, Twitter where, you

856
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,880
know, trolls are going, Oh, I hate women and stuff.

857
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,160
And then getting blown up and they should be like, you know, like publicly displayed

858
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,320
and going, you're an awful human being.

859
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,680
And then the other side of the coin is just people, um, you know, uh, trying to cancel

860
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,080
things that are 50, 60 years old, that don't have this, you know, should have a plaque

861
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,420
notice at the beginning of it saying this was made in an era where this was acceptable.

862
00:46:57,420 --> 00:47:01,960
Please ignore if you don't feel comfortable watching certain scenes, please mute them.

863
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,600
I think they did that with Gone with the Wind.

864
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,600
They did.

865
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,600
Yeah.

866
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Yeah.

867
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Which I think is important because you know, you get to those scenes or stuff now and you

868
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,040
go, Oh gosh, that's really, that's crazy.

869
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,880
And then you're pulled out of it because you're now having conversation with the person next

870
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,920
year with like, Jesus, like what are we watching right now?

871
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,760
Um, so I get that with old stuff and old movies and things like that.

872
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,680
Um, I think who was it recently?

873
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,280
Was it Ian McKellen or someone?

874
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:34,040
He said something really poetic that I can't remember about saying the word isn't cancel

875
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,040
culture.

876
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,040
It's something else.

877
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,040
Yeah, I do vaguely remember this.

878
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,520
I come up with what he says.

879
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:45,360
Whatever it was, I agreed with him, but I think I personally, I mean, I don't put that

880
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:51,680
sort of information out onto my social media, like my personal view on that.

881
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,760
Um, just because it's ever changing.

882
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,760
I agree.

883
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,160
The information that you get is changing.

884
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,840
You never get a full picture of what these people, these, like if they're celebrities,

885
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,900
if they're actors, you never get all the information.

886
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:11,040
What you do get is something that's already been filtered down.

887
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Um, if it's something straight from the source, then you can have your own opinion.

888
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,520
Um, if they've tweeted something that's straight from the source, essentially, if it's a piece

889
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:27,600
of art that is now resurfaced, whether that be comedy or, um, I don't know, something

890
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,600
else that they've written.

891
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,480
Um, you can have your own opinion and be like, Oh, I don't agree with their views or whatever.

892
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,360
Or I think that's really harsh or that's racist or that's sexist or that's homophobic or transphobic

893
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,360
or whatever.

894
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:49,400
Um, but I just, I think cause I know I'm growing so much and I've always been a fairly open

895
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,600
person with in most areas.

896
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,600
My mom's queer.

897
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:59,160
So I, you know, I've never really had a space where I felt like I've had to grow.

898
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:05,320
Um, of course I'm continually growing in lots of areas, but I don't feel like I was ever

899
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,320
uninformed.

900
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,320
Yeah.

901
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,800
But I think there are a lot of people who start their adult life uninformed about a

902
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,400
lot of issues and like, who am I to judge?

903
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,080
I think we're in like, there's so much social media out there and there's so much information

904
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,360
that you push out there when you're immature, when you're young, when you don't have the

905
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,000
information, when you are speaking without thinking.

906
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Um, yeah.

907
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,800
And like, unless it's some sort of rape allegation or something like that, like something really

908
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,800
harsh.

909
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,360
Um, I don't think people should be quote canceled.

910
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:50,240
I think it's if you know that person, sure have some sort of opinion about if you want

911
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,240
to stay their friend.

912
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:58,840
Um, for example, like Shia LaBeouf, I've always loved him as an actor.

913
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,160
Um, ever since I was younger, I followed his career.

914
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,160
I watched even Stevens when he was on Disney or Nickelodeon.

915
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,280
I loved that show.

916
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,760
I was obsessed with transformers when I was younger, just because he was in it.

917
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,720
I don't like transformers that much.

918
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:22,120
I was like, um, but he was so good at that kind of sticky comedy stuff.

919
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,920
And um, and I watched a lot of his films as he got older as well.

920
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,320
Honey Boy, which only came out like a few years ago, which he wrote just based off his

921
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,320
life.

922
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,440
I loved, but I also loved it because FKA Twigs was in it.

923
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,720
He's my favorite artist, my favorite singer.

924
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:40,160
And then when she came out saying a year after that film that they were in a relationship

925
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:48,440
together, that she was abused, um, like domestic abuse situation was happening with him, um,

926
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,440
when they were together.

927
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,840
Um, and she was very earnest about it and she was as open as she could be.

928
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:05,600
I went, okay, how do I, I love them both as artists, but I care more about how I would

929
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:13,360
feel if I continued absorbing his content, knowing that he is walking around in his personal

930
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,680
life doing this sort of stuff.

931
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,720
It's really conflicting and I don't know how I feel about it.

932
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:24,040
And I'm don't have an opinion because I, I don't know if I should, I don't know if I

933
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:29,080
should care about this because these people aren't in my life, but they are in my life

934
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,120
through the things that I can shoot.

935
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Yes.

936
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Yeah, so if someone would be like, Hey, do you want to go and see a Shia LaBeouf movie?

937
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,680
Um, he's a star.

938
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,200
I'd be like, actually I'm good.

939
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,920
I don't, I don't think I want to watch that.

940
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:48,480
Um, just because he's kind of tainted a bit in my eyes because of who he has now kind

941
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:56,920
of obviously come to be through like, just like, you know, what she said, but maybe if

942
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,480
he was a minor character and I was really excited for all the other characters in the

943
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,000
film, maybe I'd see that film.

944
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,360
I think it's just about personal decision making and really like being sincere about

945
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:15,280
how you feel and how it would make you feel to consume that content with people in it

946
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,680
that have done questionable things or are like actual abusers.

947
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Yeah.

948
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,960
And I think, I think what's really interesting and I remember, uh, John Bethanol spoke to

949
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Shia LaBeouf about this as well.

950
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,520
They had, you know, he didn't, John Bethanol does a podcast about issues and talks a lot

951
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,160
about like the stigma around stuff and they've been friends for a while now.

952
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:44,040
And I think there's a very real conversation where he admits his faults and his flaws and

953
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,400
his situations with previous partners where he's like, I did do these things.

954
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,640
And I'm, you know, I realized that, you know, this was not okay and this was a problem and,

955
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:00,200
you know, it's a very kind of real conversation because it's like a friend of him going, yeah,

956
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,000
this isn't okay, but it's good that you're making the step forward.

957
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Which is fine.

958
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,080
And I think that's great that he's doing that, but, um, but then you also go like, oh, as

959
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,640
a, as a woman, if I heard my ex who abused me say that they're on a healing journey,

960
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,760
that wouldn't really make me feel any better.

961
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,680
And them getting positive attention may actually make me quite angry as well.

962
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,840
So I, I like, I know about that podcast.

963
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,880
I purposely chose not to watch it, even though I love John, what's his last name?

964
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,880
John Bethanol.

965
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:31,880
Bethanol.

966
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,920
I think he's a great actor as well.

967
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,120
Um, just cause I was like, I'm good.

968
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:42,280
I understand what he's probably going to say and that he's on some sort of journey of like

969
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:47,080
writing his wrongs or whatever, but he can do that without me knowing about it.

970
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,000
And that would be fine because I don't need to know everything about every actor.

971
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,960
They can live lives that I don't know about and that would be fine.

972
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,760
I mean, it's, it's, it's generally like Kevin Spacey as well.

973
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:04,360
And I think that's an actor who's, you know, I absolutely adored growing up as a kid.

974
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,480
So it was great.

975
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,280
And then, yeah, just now it's like, well, why do you have to be in like half my favorite

976
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,280
films?

977
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,280
Which I can enjoy the film still, but I definitely like, you know, baby driver, I haven't touched

978
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,280
him like.

979
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,800
But it kind of depends on what movie it is, how much of a role that person has in the

980
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,800
film.

981
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,080
I love baby driver, but I remember watching it after all the stuff came out about him

982
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,480
and being a little bit annoyed that I had to watch him so much on screen.

983
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,120
Like I love, and I mean, Ansel Elgort has had things said about him as well, but it's

984
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,720
all about, I think what those things are.

985
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:40,340
Are they verified and all that sort of stuff?

986
00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:45,440
You have to make your own personal decision about how you feel about that in order to,

987
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,000
it's just, it can be very stressful.

988
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,160
All you want to do is watch a movie, but now you have to have some sort of in a, in a monologue

989
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,720
about how you feel about this sort of subject and this sort of subject before you can just

990
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,360
sit down and enjoy something, which can be stressful.

991
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,280
And I don't really participate in a lot of it.

992
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:07,480
Not that I don't care about it, but I think it's on a case by case basis.

993
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,960
And I don't think canceled is the right word.

994
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:17,800
I think it's right that the public knows about all these issues and it's fantastic that the

995
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,360
victims of these men have come forward.

996
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:26,080
But then it's also like people like Lea Michele.

997
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,280
I watched Glee when I was younger.

998
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,280
I watched Spring Awakening, Bootleg, which was the Broadway musical that she was on before

999
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,920
Glee consistently when I was growing up.

1000
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,860
It's one of my favorite musicals and she's an amazing performer.

1001
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:44,780
And she's had over the past few years, some things said about her that she was giving

1002
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:49,800
a lot of micro aggressions on set of Glee.

1003
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,120
And from what I've seen with her in interviews, she's a very passionate person and she has

1004
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,960
her opinion about things, which I think could be hard on set with a lot of different actors

1005
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,360
and a lot of different points of view coming into one place to do something.

1006
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,080
So I can see that happening easily.

1007
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:12,840
What is a micro aggression as serious as a rape or a sexual assault allegation?

1008
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:18,720
And should that mean that that person isn't essentially bullied online for years?

1009
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:26,720
It's just, I think if that were to happen to me, I would, I'd be, I just feel like horrible

1010
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:32,720
and just so, like I just worry about people's mental health.

1011
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:36,840
Like it's really, like it has to be a case by case basis because we can't put everyone

1012
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,520
in the same box because I don't know.

1013
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:45,840
I just feel like it could easily turn into something where that person is suicidal.

1014
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:51,480
Because it's not like you're a singular person having an opinion on the internet, but so

1015
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,840
is everyone else.

1016
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,720
And once everyone else has that opinion on the internet, suddenly it's a million people

1017
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,400
saying you're a horrible person, which is terrifying.

1018
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,160
If one person doesn't like me, I feel horrible for a month.

1019
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:13,080
Like I could not even fathom how that would feel to be so ridiculed for whatever the thing,

1020
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,280
the mistake is that you made.

1021
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,960
And I think it, yeah, it would just, I just feel so sorry for some of the people.

1022
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,840
And then I don't feel sorry at all for others because like, and that's, that's it.

1023
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:33,560
I think it very much, you walk the fine line as well, and I agree with that as well, because

1024
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:43,760
I don't, I would be completely dishonest if I hadn't said that people have tried to, like,

1025
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:50,900
have said things about me or written things to me that were like, affected me greatly

1026
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:54,840
and whether or they were based on any sort of form of facts or anything, or they were

1027
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,840
just a massive personal grudge that they didn't like me.

1028
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:03,960
And I think it has taught me to be very sort of resilient, especially because, you know,

1029
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,800
like not everyone's going to like you, especially not everyone in the industry is going to like

1030
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:08,800
you.

1031
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:15,400
And some people were just very willing to, you know, I guess, not understand everyone's

1032
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,700
perspectives, especially.

1033
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:22,200
But I think it's interesting because the people who had said so, you know, the people who

1034
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,920
I know, who had said horrible things about me, we were all close friends at certain points

1035
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:27,920
in my life.

1036
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,960
And that's what I think hurt the most for me, because it didn't come from outward sources,

1037
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,000
it came from people I knew.

1038
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,520
And that's where it was like, well, how much of this is real?

1039
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,800
How much of this am I second guessing myself?

1040
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,800
Is it right?

1041
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:41,800
Is it wrong?

1042
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:48,640
And knowing that, you know, I see a therapist and, you know, and everything, and I think

1043
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,600
it has taught me to discover more about myself.

1044
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,840
Like, obviously, I'd be lying if I didn't say I've discovered more positives about myself

1045
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,160
because of it.

1046
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,040
But I definitely had gone to the other side of it's like, okay, well, as a human, how

1047
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,360
can I make sure it's clear and concise to make sure there is no misconstrued ideas about

1048
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,920
anything and that this person isn't going to get the wrong end of the stick the next

1049
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:10,920
person I meet?

1050
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,660
Like, how do I, how do I clear out the groundwork from the ground up and, you know, and not

1051
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:18,600
get, you know, someone saying this again about me?

1052
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,440
And you know, that's what I was always thinking about as well.

1053
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,640
Yeah, I think that's important.

1054
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,120
But that's also a lot.

1055
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,120
Yeah.

1056
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:34,240
And you have like, you just have to be kind to yourself because you're, everyone is imperfect.

1057
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:40,400
And no matter what situation you're going into, you can try to be as better of a person

1058
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,080
as you can be, but you're going to make mistakes.

1059
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:50,920
And it's just, I just know me being an actor, I'd love to be as successful as any of the

1060
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,920
people that we have mentioned.

1061
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,800
They're in the films I love, they're in the musicals, they're in the theater that I love.

1062
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:07,160
They have a huge platform and they are also just very basic human beings.

1063
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,000
You know, they are no different to each other.

1064
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,600
I'm no different to them.

1065
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:15,120
And I think if I was in that situation, I would be so terrified of making a mistake.

1066
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,440
And the only way to not do that is to do what you said, just say, fuck it.

1067
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:28,440
Try to be a good human being, but just also, like, you just can't be so, so worried all

1068
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,960
the time about what other people think.

1069
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,240
Because then I just know personally, I have so much anxiety around that already.

1070
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:42,080
It's so hard to not think that for myself that I just couldn't, I just, I can't fathom

1071
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:49,800
how they do it, honestly, how they can have a public life and also be a normal person.

1072
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,800
Yeah.

1073
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,960
You know, the one thing I keep saying as well is I'd hate to be famous.

1074
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,100
I would absolutely hate to be famous.

1075
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:02,520
It's already bad enough, like saying, you know, a voice on things and, you know, wanting

1076
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:03,600
to get your opinions out there.

1077
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:09,160
And the moment, the moment everyone, you know, wants to stop me in the street, I'm just like,

1078
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:10,680
I'm out, I'm done.

1079
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,040
No one, you know, like you all leave me alone, lovely as it is.

1080
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,120
Because at the end of the day, no one really knows you.

1081
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,960
They see you through these lenses and they don't know, you know, like the Charles interpretations

1082
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:22,960
that you've had to deal with.

1083
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,680
Like they don't know that you've had a family loss.

1084
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,240
They don't know that you've, you know, like, oh, that you've had a breakup or you've had

1085
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,880
a divorce or, you know, like anything like this, no one knows.

1086
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,840
And what they go is just, you're the bad person.

1087
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,200
You're the good person, black and white.

1088
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:44,080
But it's like that thing of, you know, I think, you know, especially, especially with like

1089
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,540
a lot of the situations I find are never resolved.

1090
01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:49,400
Like and, and that's life.

1091
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,400
Unfortunately, there's a-

1092
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,400
Or maybe they are.

1093
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,600
And we don't have that information because it's not as newsworthy as they've done something

1094
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:56,600
wrong.

1095
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,600
Exactly.

1096
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:58,600
Because it's tabloid.

1097
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:05,120
And they just know if they've kissed and made up or if they've quietly had some really nice

1098
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,960
messages back and forth.

1099
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,680
Because also they're probably not going to share that with anyone because of how much

1100
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,080
media coverage the event got.

1101
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,080
Yeah.

1102
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:18,720
So who, and then it goes back to what I was saying, like who are we to say, who are we

1103
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:19,720
to care?

1104
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:25,600
They're just people who are living their lives over there, probably not in Australia as well.

1105
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,320
So it's just, it's just so much thought that's going to things that aren't about my life.

1106
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,320
Yeah.

1107
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,200
That are so, like it's so much unnecessary anxiety that I don't need.

1108
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,200
Yeah.

1109
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,400
I mean, like I want to talk about your own mental health as well, but you know, and how

1110
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,400
you, you cope, because we did talk a bit about social media and how you've really reduced

1111
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,280
it, especially with just not adding randoms to Facebook.

1112
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:57,960
But I mean, like, you know, I think, do you see yourself as a little bit more of a, you

1113
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,440
know, showing only very select bits and pieces now because of that, you know, joint Instagram

1114
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,920
and that, you know, and the Facebook profile?

1115
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:05,920
Well, yeah.

1116
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,080
So Molly and I share an Instagram.

1117
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:16,660
I don't think, yeah, I have friends who aren't actors who share a lot more than my other

1118
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:19,560
friends who are actors do on their socials.

1119
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,800
And that's just because my Instagram is not just my personal life.

1120
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:31,200
That's what you see, but it's also an image of, of who I am as an actor, you know?

1121
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:37,280
So I'm not going to put content on there that I wouldn't be comfortable with a casting agent

1122
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,440
or someone who could hire me to see.

1123
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,440
That doesn't mean I'm not casual.

1124
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:49,520
I'm very casual, but I'm also not putting stuff on my public Instagram that could, you

1125
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:56,080
know, that could just be, I don't know, deemed as unprofessional, even though I'm not, that

1126
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,040
I'm not technically with, like working with whoever this person is.

1127
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:06,600
I don't want them to see me for something that I'm not because they've only got some

1128
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,320
minuscule taste of something.

1129
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:14,280
I don't know what that thing would be, but yeah, I wouldn't post too much personal stuff.

1130
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:20,560
That close friends section on stories is really useful if you, if I want to post some funny

1131
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,000
video, but I look horrible and I don't really, I'm not comfortable with the public seeing

1132
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,560
me in my pajamas or in my bedroom.

1133
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,720
I don't post any, I don't show my bedroom.

1134
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:41,360
I maybe, maybe would show my face, but I wouldn't really show that publicly.

1135
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:49,160
Just because I know that if I hopefully were to get more successful, I don't want people

1136
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:55,840
having photos of that intimate part of my life, which I do worry about because you see

1137
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:01,560
other people who have become successful and there are photos of them that I don't think

1138
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,280
they probably would want people to see.

1139
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:11,760
And it's just because they've had an active social media when they were younger.

1140
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,640
When I wanted to become an actor, there was one point where I went, oh my God, what if

1141
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:23,040
I become really famous suddenly and people can have access to my Facebook and they see

1142
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,640
these horrible photos that I've been tagged in.

1143
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:31,520
So I spent like a good month just like trying to untag myself from these photos from grade

1144
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:37,400
nine, where I was on some school trip and I look just like, I don't look great.

1145
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,680
Or maybe I'm in a photo with alcohol that now that I don't drink any alcohol, it just

1146
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,960
seems very uncomfortable for me to be in that photo.

1147
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,360
So there was a time where I was like, Jesus, how do I get rid of all of this horrible,

1148
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:58,280
uncomfortable, like just cringy like school year content from my social media?

1149
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,040
Because I don't want that coming up if someone Googles my name, which now thankfully it

1150
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,040
doesn't.

1151
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,040
Oh, thank God.

1152
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,040
Yeah.

1153
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,440
I didn't think it ever would anyway, because they're so old.

1154
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:13,960
It's like 2010 to 2015 that those photos existed on Facebook or in my tag section

1155
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:14,960
on Facebook.

1156
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,120
But I was just, yeah, probably irrationally worried about it.

1157
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,520
I'm definitely irrationally worried about it.

1158
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,680
But it was something I thought about just because I didn't want to have that presence

1159
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,960
where people had access to photos that I hadn't already filtered.

1160
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:28,960
Yeah.

1161
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:29,960
Yeah.

1162
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,640
I mean, it's interesting as well, because I think I'm the same with Facebook, let's

1163
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,720
say with Instagram, it's an appalling way of self monetization.

1164
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:45,120
But I mean, like, you know, with Facebook, I just generally, as we were saying, post

1165
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,920
only specifically things that I'm working on a movie trailers.

1166
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,320
Like there's nothing really like being like, oh, my life's on here.

1167
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,080
And I don't feel the need.

1168
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,720
No, it's not the platform for it anyway, not for people our age.

1169
01:06:58,720 --> 01:06:59,720
No.

1170
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,280
God, we sound so old.

1171
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,280
Yeah.

1172
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,120
I think it's funny.

1173
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:08,360
I think you and I both have had the experience of what it was like when you're on Facebook

1174
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,000
and that was the main thing.

1175
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:18,560
You're posting, you know, random things, you're essentially putting tweets on your page.

1176
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:24,360
And then Instagram happened and then everything moved to Instagram very slowly where you're

1177
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,920
using both platforms at the same time for many years.

1178
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:33,800
And then now Facebook is an app that's on there and I'll get a ram notification for

1179
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,400
something I don't care about.

1180
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,200
I click the notification, I get out a notification and that's all that happens on the app.

1181
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,080
I'll use the messenger app constantly.

1182
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,000
But some of my friends don't use that either.

1183
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,440
They'll just use Instagram to private message people.

1184
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,120
So it really depends on who.

1185
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,760
But yeah, it's not something like I'm the same.

1186
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,760
I'll use it to post.

1187
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:01,800
Like recently I did a short film and I was consistently on there just literally trying

1188
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,520
to get the information out that there was a crowdfunding.

1189
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:10,880
And just because there are people on there who aren't on Instagram that are older or

1190
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,880
that are relatives or that are people that perhaps don't know that where I have an Instagram

1191
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,000
or Molly has an Instagram that could need that information.

1192
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,840
Yeah, but it's only for that.

1193
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,240
I mean, and that doesn't limit you as well.

1194
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:33,480
And I think for me, whenever I use Instagram, especially with the close friends things,

1195
01:08:33,480 --> 01:08:38,560
I'm like, but I just like scroll away and use it for any stupid things.

1196
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:48,280
But I think it goes back to the handful of just promoting, like if I'm doing a short

1197
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,360
film or I'm trying to raise funding or I'm posting something I worked on, it's very

1198
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:58,680
nice but oh God, you get lost in the noise sometimes as well.

1199
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,400
On Facebook, on Instagram, there's a lot of noise.

1200
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:07,920
Yeah, I think it's, I'm no expert with that stuff.

1201
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:15,360
And I'm also very happy to just be an actor and not have to deal with the filmmaking side

1202
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,760
of things and trying to get things to have traction.

1203
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:25,920
Or just for people to know that this really fun thing that I am passionate about exists.

1204
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:31,280
I don't have to deal with that because all I'm dealing with is did I do a good performance?

1205
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:36,680
Do I like my performance in the, I don't know, that's the extent of how much I care about

1206
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,800
it.

1207
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,360
If it were to go to like a short film or something, it would go to a film festival, I would love

1208
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,640
to promote that sort of stuff.

1209
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:53,440
So, I don't have to deal with the follower aspect of trying to promote some content on

1210
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:55,640
Instagram, which is very hard.

1211
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,760
I've touched on a little bit because the short film I did last, my sister wrote and directed

1212
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:01,760
it.

1213
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:07,600
So, I was a huge part of helping it however much I could with that.

1214
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:12,640
And so I could see how how dis-tricky it was to manage social media while you're just trying

1215
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,200
to also make something.

1216
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:20,360
It's just another added thing on top of you trying to actually make a film, which is already

1217
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:21,360
so difficult.

1218
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,920
But now you also have to be a social media manager, which is another really hard job

1219
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:33,520
that is so hard to manage when you're also trying to do your normal job at the same time.

1220
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,680
It's impossible.

1221
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:40,600
There was plans before we shot it to be like, oh, when we're on set, we can make a TikTok.

1222
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,360
We'll have the time to do that.

1223
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:48,640
But in reality, you're shooting on location and it's freezing cold and it's 12am in the

1224
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:57,440
morning and you don't remember that TikTok exists, let alone being able to make one.

1225
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:02,680
So, I'm very happy that I don't have to deal with that.

1226
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:09,600
I mean, yeah, it's sometimes why I desperately eventually should get a personal assistant

1227
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,920
at some point.

1228
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,520
It's like the most useful.

1229
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,560
It would be very handy.

1230
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,760
It's like, you know, because I get the question of, you know, how do you run a podcast and

1231
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:18,760
you do all those things?

1232
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,760
And I'm like, I literally, you know, I sit upstairs and edit and you don't sleep.

1233
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,760
I don't sleep.

1234
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,520
I am just like injecting myself with caffeine.

1235
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,960
But I do think that, you know, with all the things that I do have done, and especially

1236
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,840
this year in particular, because it's all skyrocketing again, last year seemed to be

1237
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:41,040
easy to keep everything within a schedule and schedule it all out.

1238
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,480
But this year, it's just like a madhouse.

1239
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,360
Everything kind of comes up.

1240
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,200
Everyone realizes things are so last minute.

1241
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:55,000
It goes back to how it was before, like in 2019, where, you know, everything's just steamrolling.

1242
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,040
And it's overwhelming sometimes.

1243
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,880
I definitely feel like, you know, as you were saying in the beginning, it's like, you know,

1244
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,800
all compressed into such a short amount of time, but also feels really long.

1245
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,880
I feel like I've forgotten how to be a human.

1246
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,760
I would say it's worth doing nothing, but doing a lot of things at the same time can

1247
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:19,040
be very, can be just as stressful as not having anything to do.

1248
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,960
Because I've gotten like half a dozen messages from people just going, I'm lost.

1249
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,400
Like you know, they'll get stressed or they'll get overloaded with information.

1250
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:30,040
You're like, when's the sweet spot of making sure that people know what the hell's going

1251
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,040
on in their lives?

1252
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,720
When, you know, when filming, when's the, you know, location, um, recce's, when it wins

1253
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,920
meetings happening, but it's nuts.

1254
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,800
Like people just have no time to kind of juggle all that things.

1255
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,840
And I think cause the, generally what you're doing is creating something from a creative

1256
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,840
space.

1257
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:48,840
Yes.

1258
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,840
You're using all of your brain.

1259
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:56,240
You, you're using the, the side that's, you know, literally making something very physical.

1260
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,720
You have schedules to write, you have all that sort of stuff.

1261
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,080
And then you have to actually make something creative that you're passionate about that

1262
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,880
you actually like.

1263
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:10,360
And you utilizing both of those things at the same time is so, it can just be so overwhelming

1264
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,200
because how do you balance that?

1265
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:20,720
How do you go, Oh, I, I, I want to be as honest and creative and open as possible, but at

1266
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,400
the same time, I'm remembering that I need to put this schedule or I need to write this

1267
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,320
thing by this point, or I can't do that thing that I really want.

1268
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:35,280
But it's a back and forth that I think people who are like us, who are doing all of the

1269
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:40,360
jobs because that's the only way that you can make content or make the things you want

1270
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,360
to make.

1271
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,880
You have to be the producer and the director, or you have to be the writer and the director

1272
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:45,880
or something like that.

1273
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,520
You have to be the actor and do production design.

1274
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,600
That stuff happens a lot.

1275
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:56,760
And it's just about how you can juggle those things and do your best in both of those venues,

1276
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:57,760
which is so different.

1277
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:58,760
Yeah.

1278
01:13:58,760 --> 01:13:59,920
And it's very hard.

1279
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:06,240
You kind of hit a lot of like, I want to say walls along the way, but it does come, you

1280
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:10,320
know, when, when you pull it off and, and when it does come together, it's like, Oh

1281
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:11,560
yes, I did that.

1282
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,020
But the journey along can sometimes feel like the most arduous.

1283
01:14:15,020 --> 01:14:17,040
And then we get to a point where we don't do it.

1284
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,000
It's like, I remember this teacher at after said this, he was like, you get to a point

1285
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:26,580
where you just, you, you've burnt out, you've, you've broken down, you know, you've built

1286
01:14:26,580 --> 01:14:30,640
this thing and then suddenly you don't get calls for three weeks, three, four weeks.

1287
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,960
You suddenly wonder why no one wants you again.

1288
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,760
And then you had a call and you're like, let's do it all again.

1289
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:36,760
Yeah.

1290
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,000
Like, I don't think that's going to change either.

1291
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:44,440
Cause I've heard a lot of actors talk about that same feeling, even very successful actors,

1292
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,320
just being like, I don't know where my next job is.

1293
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:49,800
And that scares me.

1294
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:55,040
It also makes me feel very comforted that that is just something that's also part of

1295
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,320
being an actor.

1296
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:04,160
Maybe or a creative, you're consistently, um, dealing with the fact that maybe you don't

1297
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:05,760
know where your next job is.

1298
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:06,760
Yeah.

1299
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,120
And it's almost reassuring that that is just something that comes with the job.

1300
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,400
And that's not a reflection of you being unsuccessful, you being untalented.

1301
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,120
It's literally the job description.

1302
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,880
It's part of the list of things that you have to do to be an actor or to be a filmmaker

1303
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,440
or a podcaster or whatever.

1304
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:28,000
Yeah, it's just, it's the mission that you've got to, you've got to deal with.

1305
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:34,800
I mean, like what's your thought as well on just like, you know, money versus art, like,

1306
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,360
you know, because there's that lot, you know, like I know a lot of people, especially people

1307
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,680
our age, not everyone is, you know, going to earn buckets.

1308
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:46,920
Um, and generally a lot of my favorite term is just exposure at the moment, which if anyone

1309
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,240
wants to type what is exposure online, there is a joke website that just says, we'll pay

1310
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:52,240
you an exposure.

1311
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:53,840
That's a great website.

1312
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:00,080
But, um, you know, I think a lot of the time, and I know that even being 30, there's some

1313
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,400
times where I'm like, Oh, I can't pay the cost.

1314
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,360
You know, I have to, you know, everyone's doing me a massive favor coming in, doing

1315
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,880
a day shoot or a couple of days shoot or nothing.

1316
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,800
They get fed, but I'm going to make sure it's the best food that they've gotten.

1317
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:19,240
It's such a, I think a very difficult balance because ideal in an ideal world, we'd have

1318
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,440
like millions of dollars backing it and everyone being paid equal rates.

1319
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:27,000
Well, I think in that situation, it's about being aware of who you've cast, who's on your

1320
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,000
crew.

1321
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,960
And I know that some people, um, if you want them there, you will have to pay them.

1322
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,440
Oh God, which is fine.

1323
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:40,240
You know, it's just being aware of those things, but also knowing like that person is so generous

1324
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,800
with their time that they'll do it for free is also amazing.

1325
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:44,800
Yeah.

1326
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:51,920
So I think on that side of things, just being aware of who you have hired will make a huge

1327
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,440
difference because you don't want to let someone down.

1328
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,920
Um, because that will ruin your relationship with that person in the future.

1329
01:16:58,920 --> 01:16:59,920
Oh God.

1330
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:00,920
Yeah.

1331
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:06,280
Um, I think personally, I don't really do student films anymore.

1332
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,160
Um, my sister is a student.

1333
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,880
I will, we'll do her films.

1334
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,880
Okay.

1335
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:11,880
Tick that box.

1336
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:17,120
Because of, because I know her, because I know how good she is and I know what type

1337
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,680
of set she runs.

1338
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:24,760
Um, but for the most part, um, there's no way of knowing what that set would be like

1339
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,520
if it's a student film.

1340
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:27,520
Sometimes they're great.

1341
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,760
Sometimes they're not, but you won't be getting paid for that time.

1342
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,520
So I probably won't do it.

1343
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,600
Um, just because it actually is an exposure.

1344
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:42,760
Those, those films probably aren't your best work because the situation on set isn't great.

1345
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,520
And maybe because the script isn't that great either.

1346
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,720
Um, or not as good as maybe you thought it was.

1347
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,720
Yeah.

1348
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,000
That happened, has happened a lot to me.

1349
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,440
And also you may not see that film.

1350
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:59,840
A lot of the times things happen, things happen in posts in these student sort of worlds where

1351
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,720
you don't get a final product or you get something that you don't like or hasn't been edited

1352
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,840
that great because that's another part of the student filmmaking process that sometimes

1353
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:14,320
gets forgotten is the editing room and how important that is to how film is finalized.

1354
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,960
Um, which has happened a lot.

1355
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,320
So I don't use any of that stuff on a show reel ever in the past.

1356
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,920
It's never, I've watched it and been like, Oh, I don't like that for this or that reason.

1357
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,360
Um, so I'm not going to use it.

1358
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,320
Um, so it's not really that useful for exposure.

1359
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,360
And I think I have an agent.

1360
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,680
My dad is still my agent in, I'm in his agency.

1361
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,320
Um, and I get a fair amount of auditions.

1362
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,520
I wish there was more.

1363
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:48,880
I'm, but I don't think doing things like short films, doing those types of short films, the

1364
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,840
ones where you're in, they're in some sort of assessment or curriculum base, they're

1365
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,120
not going to help.

1366
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:01,240
If it's a short film that a filmmaker who is independent has made, I'm very keen on

1367
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,560
that because they have the skill and they have the passion.

1368
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,400
They've done all that training that they need and they're making this because they are really

1369
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,320
passionate about it.

1370
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:15,200
And essentially no one's forcing them to make it in order to get some sort of good grade.

1371
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:23,120
Um, you know, there's a lot of pressure about doing good enough to get a good mark at some

1372
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:28,280
of the filmmaking skills as well, which can sometimes dampen their creative or their,

1373
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,200
their drive to get the best sort of product for that.

1374
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,880
And also there's limitation in time.

1375
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,320
Usually there's, you have about a week to do a film.

1376
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:44,200
Um, like you have a week shoot block for these, um, these film schools.

1377
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,760
So and that's not sometimes, usually that's not really enough time.

1378
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,080
You kind of want maybe one or two more days.

1379
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:56,200
Like a week and a half would be great, but that they don't get that.

1380
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,920
Which can make the set go so much quicker than it should be.

1381
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:04,240
And you're running through some shots that you really should be taking more time on.

1382
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,240
Um, yeah.

1383
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,840
So all those things come into play when I'm thinking about like what I'm going to be giving

1384
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,760
my time to.

1385
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:17,240
Money wise, like I said, I've been raised by a single mom, so we've always been poor.

1386
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,520
When I decided I wanted to be an actor, money didn't come into play.

1387
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,280
I know it has with other people, but you know, you're coming from different backgrounds.

1388
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:30,320
I've very, I'm very comfortable not, I'd be fine with just having enough money to live.

1389
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,320
Yeah, no, right.

1390
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:38,680
Um, if I don't have that, it can be very stressful and very, um, just very depressing.

1391
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,400
And so yes, I want to have enough money to live.

1392
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,480
I have my boring quote, everyday job that I do.

1393
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:51,440
Um, at the moment I work five days a week, but it's casual.

1394
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:57,760
Um, so I can call, I can call in sick or I can say, I need this time off in, um, a few

1395
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,360
weeks because I'm shooting something.

1396
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:04,320
Um, so it's really important to be in a place where you have the flexibility and there's

1397
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,520
openness and communication between you and that, um, and the employer that you're working

1398
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,520
for.

1399
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:10,520
Yeah.

1400
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:16,760
Um, and usually like I work retail, um, there's an understanding that this is not the end

1401
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,240
game job for you.

1402
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:23,080
Um, as long as you're clear with that, they are very happy with you having another life

1403
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,640
outside of whatever that job is.

1404
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,600
Um, yeah.

1405
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,060
And at the moment I'm very comfortable with having my other job and also doing auditions

1406
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:33,200
and doing other work.

1407
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:34,480
And that's great.

1408
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:40,580
The idea is I get successful enough that I can do a film and then I can have that time

1409
01:21:40,580 --> 01:21:45,560
off living off the money from that film, which is what most actors do.

1410
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:53,240
Um, and then film something else, you know, just until I die, which I mean is the only

1411
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,320
way to really do it.

1412
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,320
And well, I mean, that's what being an actor is.

1413
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,640
It's you're, you're living other people's lives.

1414
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,080
It's hard to live your own life when you're doing that.

1415
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,280
And it's about balance.

1416
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:05,280
It's about being aware.

1417
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,840
I think I wish I had more monetary skills and understanding.

1418
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:10,840
I'm still learning.

1419
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,120
Um, I wish they taught more in high school.

1420
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:19,320
Um, about that sort of stuff, about how you can just live your life and have the money

1421
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,520
to do the things you want to do.

1422
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,680
Um, I failed math in high school.

1423
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:31,840
You know, I was not good at it, but I think that understanding about how you can, um,

1424
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:39,120
I mean, not get loans, but like how, how you can, what's the word I'm thinking of how you

1425
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,520
can live your life and the money that's coming into your account, how do you put some of

1426
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:44,520
that into savings?

1427
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,520
How do you do this?

1428
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:51,360
How do you that in order to, um, live comfortably, I think that's something that's really lacking

1429
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,440
in the educational system that I would have really loved.

1430
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:56,960
Um, because I've had to learn that on my own.

1431
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,560
My mom's not, um, like she's good at it.

1432
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:04,240
She obviously raised us, um, by herself, so she understands money.

1433
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:10,040
But, um, I think she would also, also benefited when she was younger as well, cause she was

1434
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,440
a creative, she did musical theater, went before we were in the picture.

1435
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:20,640
Um, so again, she wasn't thinking about having some sort of high paying professional job

1436
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,440
in business, whatever business is.

1437
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:27,000
Um, yeah.

1438
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,880
I mean, yeah, it's, it's definitely one of those things that because I've worked, you

1439
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,280
know, and often a lot of the times put money into passion projects and stuff like that.

1440
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:41,160
I don't know the biggest amount of like savings and probably never will, which is fine.

1441
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:48,440
But, um, like it is one of those things that, you know, I, I know my parents were, you know,

1442
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:49,920
my dad was a freelancer.

1443
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,600
My mom is the one who has the stable job and therefore it's just like she was the predominant

1444
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,440
income and with, when it came to the overtime and money, mom was the one who had all of

1445
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:00,440
it.

1446
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:04,600
Like dad would like, cause he paid tax and stuff in a different way because of freelance

1447
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,400
career, it was just completely different.

1448
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,480
Like it was just a very, like he's like, I don't have super like, cause I don't have

1449
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:11,520
a career that's built up over time.

1450
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,720
And I think it's just about deciding whether you are okay with that or not.

1451
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,720
Um, I think I am.

1452
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:25,320
I think I, I do stress about money every now and then, but I'm young enough that that's

1453
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,320
okay.

1454
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:27,320
Yeah.

1455
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,240
I know that we have a lot of pressures as we get older.

1456
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:35,680
Um, as to the goals that we've hit in life, do we have a house that we own?

1457
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,840
Um, I don't know.

1458
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,760
Do we have two houses that we own?

1459
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:40,760
Whatever.

1460
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,640
Um, what are the goals that our society has decided are the right things that you have

1461
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,080
to hit at certain ages?

1462
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,720
I think that's kind of bullshit, but I also think the pressure is still there no matter

1463
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:51,720
what.

1464
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:57,200
Um, and I, I would definitely like to have a owner home.

1465
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:58,200
That would be great.

1466
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:03,520
Um, I've got no concept though at where I am right now of how to do that.

1467
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,960
But I think that's fine cause I don't need one right now.

1468
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:15,080
Um, I'm more worried about how I can be the best I can at being an actor and how I can

1469
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:20,800
create a professional and a healthy career in that realm.

1470
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:25,120
And then, then I, then I'm fine with starting to worry about those other like things.

1471
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:26,120
Yeah.

1472
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:27,120
Then you have a list.

1473
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:32,000
You've got, I'm, I'm going to use this as a perfect point to wrap this up, but I mean,

1474
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:38,200
I also just loved that everything that you've just said, cause it's like, yeah, it's so,

1475
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:43,040
it's so true to not, you know, and just the way we live as well.

1476
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:49,720
Cause I think, yeah, a lot of, a lot of people are age just intently worry about where they'll

1477
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,880
be and I'm still making it up as it go along.

1478
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,680
That's the reality of it.

1479
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,240
And you know, like there's not much of an age difference between you and me and you

1480
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:04,240
do both in very similar positions where we're still trying to work it all out.

1481
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:09,600
And people are like, oh, I need to be, you know, ideally like I would love to own a place

1482
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,200
like you and, you know, and have that, but I don't think it's going to happen in my

1483
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,480
lifetime and cause the housing crisis, the markets and everything.

1484
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:21,640
And I just think unless I'm by a shack, which is still probably going to cost like $600,000

1485
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,760
as you know, it's just very unachievable dream.

1486
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,680
And I guess it's also the lesson that I remember mom and dad taught me.

1487
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:36,120
It was like, don't loans be very careful with loans and be very careful with debt.

1488
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:40,440
And that was like the grain that they were like, cause they were like, this can burn

1489
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:44,000
you very quickly and you can get like black marks and everything.

1490
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:49,480
I was like, Oh my God, you know, the level of stress that I was like, I don't need this.

1491
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:51,040
And I'm, I think I was about 15.

1492
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:55,960
I was like, so, you know, it still affects me like 15 years later.

1493
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:02,440
It's still like a traumatic experience, but you know, I think the success as well, because

1494
01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:06,360
you know, you and I enjoy our careers, the success happens also, you know, internally

1495
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:12,360
we enjoy what we do and that I think is going to fulfill us long-term than just having all

1496
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:18,600
the wealth that everyone's, you know, like money, money doesn't buy anything really,

1497
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,560
like in terms of happiness buys you food and clothes, but

1498
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,160
as long as I'm surrounded by like my family, all the people that I love and I have a roof

1499
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:30,680
over my head, which growing up, I, I, there was a little, you know, we always, we, mom

1500
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:34,760
always had us in a, like, we're always living in a nice house somewhere, but it was still,

1501
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,280
I was aware of how hard that was for her at some point.

1502
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:46,120
So I'm very aware of the, how great just having a home is, you know, having a place or a sanctuary

1503
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,520
where you can be comfortable.

1504
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,160
So as long as I have that, I'm fine.

1505
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,680
I love that so much.

1506
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,120
Um, Sophia, where can people stalk you on the internet?

1507
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,600
Where can they find you just so they have some socials?

1508
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:00,840
Yeah.

1509
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:01,800
Well, I'm on Instagram.

1510
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,400
I share it with my sister.

1511
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:09,000
Um, it is called Molly underscore and Sophia, something like that.

1512
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,440
Glad you remembered that.

1513
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:14,040
Um, Molly underscore and underscore Sophia.

1514
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:14,600
I think that's it.

1515
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:15,480
Okay.

1516
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:19,160
Um, yeah, that's my main platform.

1517
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:19,480
Yeah.

1518
01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:23,160
Um, that's what you'll see the most from Molly and myself.

1519
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:29,320
Um, yeah, I just got a tech talk, but I don't know if I'm going to post anything on it.

1520
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:30,920
So really it's just Instagram.

1521
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:36,440
And if they want to hire me, you could go through my agent agency, triple eight as well.

1522
01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:37,400
There you go.

1523
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:39,640
Go on, go and hire her.

1524
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,760
But, um, Sophia, it was an absolute pleasure chatting to you.

1525
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,600
Thank you so much for coming on.

1526
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:48,040
And if you want to go and check out more episodes of the things we do,

1527
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,800
you can check them out on Apple and Spotify.

1528
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,880
I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later.

1529
01:28:53,880 --> 01:29:23,800
Goodbye.