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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film, life, television culture, mental

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health and all of that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend Talia Molino.

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Hey!

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I did it!

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You did it!

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You did it!

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Talia, how are you?

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Good, thank you!

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I'm having a good laugh.

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That's great!

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It's only, what, being four minutes in and you're like, I'm in!

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That's it!

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I'm having a great conversation, great laugh.

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That's great!

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Talia, tell everyone on the internet who you are and what you do.

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It's a very existential question.

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I'm Talia, Talia Molino.

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I am an actor, emerging writer and director as well, and actually like a teaching artist.

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So I work with like NIDA and ATYP.

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So what I was doing today is school holiday teaching.

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A lot of fun.

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Oh yeah?

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Little year three, four kids that I've got to make a like 10 minute show to like show

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their parents.

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It's a choose your own adventure is the theme of this week.

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So we're making like a not at all Jumanji ripoff about kids that are sucked into a video

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game because their dad without their glasses chooses reality mode instead of virtual reality.

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It sounds like Honey I Shrunk the Kids versus Jumanji.

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It kind of is, but with like year three to four kids.

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And a lot less like budget and everything.

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What got you into that though?

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What was the direction of that?

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So I studied at NIDA back in 2018.

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I did a diploma state and screen performance and then they kind of just look for assistant

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teachers like from their BFA's and graduates and whatever.

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And so when I finished with them, I was working as an assistant teacher.

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And then with that, I then went down to Melbourne for a bit, came back here.

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I caught up with the past director of mine and she's on the ATYP board and was like,

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well, ATYP is always looking for people if you want more money.

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And I was like, yes, please.

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And so I then went to ATYP.

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I started working with them as an assistant teacher.

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And then I kind of realized, it was fun when I was kind of just graduated NIDA.

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I was like, I'm getting paid to play drama games with people.

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But I found that I actually really like teaching.

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I actually really do.

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Sometimes it's like very ironic, but at the same time, it's a lot of fun.

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And I kind of got to the point where like NIDA hadn't done an intake for two years

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because of COVID.

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ATYP only started last year with them, but I was like, I could do this myself.

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Like I could take this class myself.

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And so I kind of went to both of them and like, yo, can I teach?

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And they're like, yeah.

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And so I just kind of, I guess, because I had years of experience with NIDA anyway.

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And then ATYP, I worked with them for a few months as an assistant until I just was

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like, Hey, can I teach?

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And Claude was like, yeah, who's my boss?

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She was like, yeah, take a class.

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And I was like, thanks.

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So it was like a pretty easy transition, but I just kind of realized, I was like,

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Oh, like I'm a bit bored of just like playing drama games and telling kids to be quiet.

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Like I kind of want to be the one who can run everything as well.

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And you know, yeah.

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So I kind of just, it was that progression where I just went from being an assistant

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to being a teacher.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah, it's good fun.

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It is a lot of fun.

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That's like nuts though.

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Did you, did you ever kind of have that imposter syndrome though?

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That, I mean, like what's kind of cool is when I was, you know, 10 years old or whatever

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myself, I was doing like NIDA open classes.

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So it's kind of like cool that I've gone like full circle, but it's definitely this

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thing of, yeah, definitely you're imposter syndrome.

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Like I, cause also I kind of, you know, studied at NIDA.

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I was working here for a bit, working at Luna Park as we were talking about before and doing

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And then I went down to Melbourne and then I studied until, like I did the 16th street

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one year full-time program.

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And I graduated into COVID.

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So like first COVID wave, like I remember we literally had an online graduation.

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I remember our graduation was like on this zoom call and we had, it was like, they were

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like, you can wear your PJs or you can wear a nice gown.

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Cause some people like dressed up really nice.

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I'm in my PJs.

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I'm just rocked up like, and it was this weird like dynamic where some people were literally

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in their PJs.

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Did you come in your PJ?

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So I had like a nice like, um, a jumpsuit thing on and I put my dressing gown over the

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I was like, I'm the best of both worlds.

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I like that.

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You've come out the fact.

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So I was like, okay.

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So that was fun.

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But I pretty much with the old imposter syndrome, I, yeah, I kind of graduated into this massive,

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you know, COVID wave.

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So it's been really hard now, you know, things are kind of happening again, which is awesome,

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but it's been so hard to get like things kickstarted that it's so easy to like come up this with

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this like imposter syndrome thing of like teaching something that like, I know I know

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what I'm talking about and everything, but it's like, I feel like, like, uh, the first

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kind of show that I'd done in a couple of years was the beginning of this year.

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Like, and it was really fun to be back on a stage and everything.

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But yeah, it was that thing of like, Oh, do I even know what I'm doing?

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Like, cause I'm not practicing.

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I mean, like it's a, it's a psychological battle, isn't it?

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Like, do you, do you feel like though?

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Like, because people might look at you, do you feel like you're, you know, this big person

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now like as an actor and as a performer as well, or do you feel like you're still on

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the lower end?

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I mean, emerging, I would say.

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I would say I have some pretty cool opportunities.

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Even with A-T-Y-P, I'm assistant directing one of their shows at the moment.

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Yeah.

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And it was so fun.

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And that was just kind of cause yeah, I've worked with these guys and my boss, Claudine

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was like, Hey, what are you doing the second half of this year?

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And I was like, what do you want from me, Clauds?

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I was like, what do you want me to be doing?

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What kind of blackmail do you?

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Cause I was like, you know, with teaching and everything, which is mainly what I do,

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it's like term to term kind of basis.

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And so I was like, what do you want me around for?

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And so this show Shaq, one of the, I think as an education coordinator or something like

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that with A-T-Y-P, George Kemp is his name.

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He works with like A-T-Y-P, but he's also a brilliant writer.

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And he's written a play, which is called Shaq, which is about a bunch of, I think there's

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nine kids in the play, like in the cast of it.

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It's about these kids who win this global warming contest, essay thing.

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They have to write an essay and they get to go to Antarctica for free.

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And so while they're in Antarctica, they get hit by a blizzard.

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And so it kind of starts with them all being like, Oh, quick in here, like blah, blah,

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blah, blah.

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And then it, you know, it's this, these kids who were like, the cast of it is 10 to 14

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year old kids.

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Yeah, which was such a fun audition and callback process.

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We had like 50 kids or whatever, pretty much.

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And we ended up working with 18 because we double casted it.

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You know, just COVID and illness and all that fun stuff.

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So that would be like, yeah, mortality.

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Yeah, mortality.

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You make it sound like, yeah, you're really, it's like Blake.

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Yeah, and so it was, yeah, but that thing's kind of that production, it's getting like

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a week run in the rebel theater.

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Oh, sick.

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We forgot like, it's technically still a workshops program in the sense that it's like the kids,

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you know, they had to audition and get in and everything for it, but like they're paying

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because it's like a class, but the whole, it's got young industry studio, which is being

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a professional production.

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Oh, nice.

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So Hayden Tadazi is a brilliant like theater director.

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He's done a bunch of things like indie theater, like KXT and Griffin and all that kind of

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stuff.

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He is directing it.

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Then we've got like a stage manager on it.

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We've got lighting designer.

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We've got like, we've come up with a concept for it, which is sick.

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And then yeah, and then Claude was like, yo, so want to assist and direct this?

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And I was like, uh, yes.

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Yes, please.

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Cause it's something where like, I think the more that I, it's interesting.

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It's this push and pull between like, I definitely want to act, like I love acting.

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And the more that I'm doing the behind the scenes stuff, I'm like, no, I want to be like

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on this, like we did a table read with them and I'm like, I want to do a table read kind

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of thing.

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But at the same time, I'm also finding how much I kind of like doing the other side of

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And so what was really cool is I think I just said to Claudine one day when we'd all gone

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and had like work drinks, she was like, so what do you actually like want to do with

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I'm like, oh, you know, like acting for sure.

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But you know, I'm always writing stuff and, and I feel like directing would be fun.

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And so she kind of had that conversation in the back of her mind and was like, well, here's

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like a really easy way to kind of throw yourself in the deep of it in a not so stressful kind

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Everyone's like, it's got your back and everything with it.

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do as you're like thrown straight into it.

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And even Hayden, like, I love Hayden, but Hayden's insane.

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Hayden rocks up and he's like, we're getting through three scenes today in this like three

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So he'll be like, you're taking this group of kids, go have fun, go block this whole

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I'm going to block this one.

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And we're going to like rejoin in, you know, 40 minutes and then we're moving on to this

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one, which is awesome because it's kind of like just throwing me straight into it.

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And I'm like, oh, okay.

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This is something that like one I like, but also I weirdly know things about that you

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like wouldn't think that you do when you're like, oh, you know?

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I mean, like, I think there's also great things about like ATYP and you know, and NIDA and

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stuff like that, that those kind of classes, cause I did ATYP back in the early 2000s to

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And after I left high school as well.

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And I did, you know, did bits and pieces back when I wanted to do acting.

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And it's sort of, yeah, it was a great like learning ground.

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I did like the monologue classes and stuff.

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And you end up like, I think it's sort of really good, especially because yeah, it's

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one of those things that I think you never really forget.

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Like you don't, you're not like in 30 years going, I forgot how to act cause I haven't

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done it in like, you can get rusty, but your muscle memory is still there.

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And I feel like it's one of those things.

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I think it was like one of the abilities that pissed me off during high school was I had

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the ability to cry on cue.

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I had the best ability to cry on cue.

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And for some reason, ever since my late teens it's gone and I'm so,

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Are we getting like a reenactment?

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No, not even.

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I wish.

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Cause it was like, I literally, I spent, you know, and this is how I got out of maths class.

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I spent the entirety of the time crying so that my teacher would just leave me the fuck

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alive.

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It sounds really awful, but I did.

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She did.

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She hated me.

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But I got left alone.

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And, but it was like one of those skills that I think I appreciated having.

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But then also really sad that I don't have it anymore.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Yeah.

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Like, man, it's one of those things, like I think with, you know, muscle memory and

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stuff, and also I'm like the same as you, the moment I went behind the scenes, like

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this is so much fun as well.

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So I do miss acting, like acting is some of this like fun playground, but you know, doing

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other things like helping people and, you know, and supporting people and like teaching people

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is way like this other net or like ground of playground.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Yeah.

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Cause you're still kind of flexing those muscles in a sense.

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Like it's very much a lot of what I do with A2IP anyway, their classes are very performance

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kind of based.

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So if you do like a holiday workshop, like I'm on with them this week, I have to put

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a show together for the end of the week for the parents.

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With my term classes, I have like 10 weeks to do that.

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So I take the homeschool kids with A2IP, which is such an interesting mix of kids pretty

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much because it's like, I think the youngest is 11 and the oldest is 17.

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And like, it's really fun because a lot of what my job last term was, was literally just

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helping them write and direct this like little performance for their parents.

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We ended up making this, this like a performance about a bunch of kids who go through and their

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minds just work so differently as well, being homeschool kids.

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Like it's, they do.

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Yeah.

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It's really interesting.

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But they were obsessed with for some reason, the idea of a kid government.

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Yeah.

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So when I said, cool, like what are we interested in?

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Like, what are we going to make this about?

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Everyone was like, kid government.

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And I was like, sorry?

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Political turn point, kid, child government.

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Literally, right?

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And so I was like, I was like, okay, give me a week to think of this.

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And I was like, I don't know where we're going to go with the story of a kid government,

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but I had this idea of like, what if it's this thing of, you know, these kids are in

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like a clinical trial to like get smart so like they can help the government kind of

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thing.

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And, um, were you writing an episode of the twilight zone at this point?

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It feels like that sometimes.

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Yeah.

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And it turned into this like, you know, just little funny piece where these kids were like

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acting like little kids, but it's funny because you've got like the 17 year old literally

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acting like a two year old as well.

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And then they get given the wrong amount of the formula.

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Like someone gave them like a ladle, the dumb person gives them a ladle amount rather than

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like a teaspoon.

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Yeah.

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The next minute, because for some reason kids are like the pinnacle of intelligence is a

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British accent.

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Um, in the next scene, these kids are all just like, they wake up and they're like really

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smart and they've got a British accent.

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So they're all like, oh, good morning to you.

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Like the UV index is 11.

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Like talking like so intelligent.

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And so yeah, this like the last term, it was one of my favorite things I think I've ever

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done with A2YP.

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But it was just, we spent these like term just putting this little piece together for

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them to kind of get to perform.

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And um, they also got to kind of perform it in the rebel theater as well, which is really

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cool.

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Like especially cause A2YP has got, they're back on the wharf now.

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So they, um, yeah.

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I love that place.

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It's so nice.

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Oh, it's not a bad office.

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It's usually since they did it up, like it's so much nice.

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It's nice now.

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I remember it was, I remember it was pretty derelict back in the day.

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They didn't have, they don't have the, they didn't have the resources I think until like

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probably a few years ago.

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And then they just upgraded like so much.

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It's so fancy now.

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Yeah.

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Well they've full got a theater now.

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Like they've got, it's not just like sidewalls.

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It's sort of theater.

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And so that was really cool for the kids, I think, um, like for my guys, but for all

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the classes is they got to be like, Oh cool.

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I'm like performing this in a theater with like lights and like, you know, it's that

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thing of really giving them that kind of experience, which is awesome.

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Yeah.

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I love that about children as well.

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And especially like about now, because, um, especially growing up, you know, like the

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nineties, I think that sort of was very lacking.

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Yeah.

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I think it was like when I was a kid, um, to have that ability where it was so free

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flowing.

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Cause I remember like you were a nerd if you went to drama school or you went to like ATYP.

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It was kind of like the reach.

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It was really strange.

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It was like the reject shop.

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Like you go there because you clearly had troubled for like, like experiences a lot.

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And now it's like this most involved place because I think like, you know, in the last

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like 10 years acting has been sort of like respected and, and yeah, it's actually changed

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a fair amount to what is deemed creativity.

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Yeah.

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But, uh, you know, we used to back in the day, imagine it was the misfits.

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Yeah.

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It was like the miss.

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That's amazing.

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Um, cause I loved it.

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I thought it was the, like the best thing.

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And I remember I did like comedy classes there.

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I did, um, you know, because they just encouraged, it was all about encouragement.

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So you did, you know, absolutely like you did the 10 week course and you try and write

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skits.

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Um, but I think it was also like, you know, it was just very, it was fun.

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It was ludicrous.

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And it's like, I'd never done, unfortunately, neither courses.

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I would have loved to, but I don't think I knew of them until many, many years later.

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I was like, Oh, that's a thing.

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Um, but yeah, like ATYP was the place to go.

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And other than like community theater and stuff, um, like, especially my family, we

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didn't know the ins.

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We knew the theater scene, um, because my mom was, um, head of the Sigma center.

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So she knew, like she worked, um, and dealt with a lot of that.

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So we went to the theater for free, uh, kudos to getting free tickets.

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Um, and I used to go to the theater a lot.

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I worked there for three years and it was the best experience.

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Um, and I just sort of loved, and I still do to this day, love theater.

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It's like one of my favorite sort of forms of, um, art.

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I actually like, um, I'm obsessed with like the three platforms that most people are like,

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Oh, what, you know, most people pick one, but I'm like theater, um, film and radio,

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like my three favorite platforms.

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Um, cause across the board, they're just very different.

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They're very uniquely different, but also they're just so much fun.

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Like, I feel like it really drives you as a performer as well, um, to just kind of go

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for it.

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And I actually like the great thing about theater is you watch it and there's no time

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for a stop like there is in film and kind of in the same with radio because radio can

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be performed like a play, but then feel, you know, because you can do a whole scene in

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one.

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And if you don't have to be like, okay, cut here, let's change angles and stuff.

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You're like, no, you're going from A to B. So you've got to get to A to B like in one

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go rather than, you know, stopping to think about it.

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Um, whereas film kind of gives you the opportunity where you, you know, can think about what

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your next move will be.

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And, you know, I find like that probably the less thrilling, but some, because I love that

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moment of you're always doing something on the go.

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Yeah, there's definitely, I mean, with theater, there's theaters.

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I love theater and film, but there is definitely an, I mean, also I kind of, I've, I don't

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know how many times I've said to random people like, I want to start a podcast, but then

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like, I've just like never done anything about it.

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But I also, you know, it's actually like, it's so cool.

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Um, I love it.

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But with the thing with theater, like there's an energy that you seem to get when you're

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on stage that like, you'll never get on a set in a sense, because it's that thing of

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like, yeah, we're live.

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Like, you know, there's whatever happens, happens kind of thing.

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Um, and it's almost, it's, it's a very like ensemble kind of building experience for people

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in a sense.

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And you do definitely get, you know, any kind of creative medium you've got so many people

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who put in to make this thing.

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But there's something I think so brilliant about like, I'm, I'm a big theater fan because

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it's just, it's live.

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And there's like that adrenaline you get when you're like, do a good performance and you

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know it's a good performance.

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And you're like, woo, kind of thing.

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Or like just, or like just going and watching it as well.

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So one really nerdy thing that I did once, I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to like

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creative things.

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I was having a massive nerd out with one of my friends today about this idea for like

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a short film I want to write and stuff.

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But I went and saw a show, I can't remember what show it was, but I went and saw some

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show and I'd already seen it because I had like, you know, been given free tickets and

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then I like went again.

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And rather than watching the show, I kind of watched the audience watch the show.

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And it was just this like really cool thing in a weird way where it was like, you know,

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people are being like, well like what?

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No.

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Well like, like all my friends say that I'm hilarious to go to theater with because I'm

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a very like expressionist theater watcher.

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So like, you know, like I went and saw a fan girls, I remember at the opera house kind of

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recently and there's this, they come back from the intermission or whatever and they're,

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have you seen fan girls?

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No.

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It was a brilliant show.

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It's, it was originally I think on a Belvoir and then they were on it, the opera house

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earlier this year, but it's kind of, it's literally about fan girls.

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It's like this, the story of it, I guess is this one fan girl who's obsessed with Harry,

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Harry from True Direction or whatever.

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So like, yeah, yeah, like complete like, you know, satire kind of thing of the whole boy

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bands and she ends up, if no one's watched this and wants to watch it, spoilers.

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She kind of ends up like, she's like, oh my God, like this man's going to fall in love

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with me.

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Like I see him, like I know he like doesn't want to start him and like all these things.

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And so she kidnaps him.

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What?

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It's like the funniest show.

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Like cause I was just sitting there.

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It was, it was an assault on the senses in the sense of like, there were so many like

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strobes and like everything going.

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Like it was like big, like old, like 2007 concert vibes.

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Jesus.

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But it, but yeah, I was laughing the whole time cause it's just like the funniest concept.

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I'm like these 13 year old kids like kidnapped.

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And assaulted someone and just taking them back to.

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Yeah, literally.

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And so there was this moment in it where you come back from intermission and they were

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like, Harry's dead or whatever.

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As in, and, and cause they're saying like he's dead as in no one can find him.

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And I would just go, what?

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And like, like straight out loud.

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But the funny thing was the next line of that show was also like, what?

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So it like covered me cause otherwise everyone would have been like, like, what are you doing?

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But I just sit and looked like ultimate fangirl of fangirls because I was like, I was just

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so shocked.

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I was like, what?

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And they like said at the same time.

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And my friend cracked up laughing.

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She's like, Tyler, you're so lucky.

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Cause I would have had everyone around me just being like, shh.

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I'm like, sorry.

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Like get into my theater.

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Like you just like said, they're going, oh my God, this is the best.

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It's so like, it's like, it's apparently like, it's a show to watch me watch a show.

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Cause I'm like, now I need to go to the theater with you.

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Just like, I just need to record you.

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It's like, yeah, how does record?

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Yeah.

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Cause I'm just like, oh, or I'm like, oh, or whatever.

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Like it's just that thing where I just, I can't, I just get very into what I'm watching.

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Have you ever seen in like, um, cause when I was at the Seamless Center, there was one

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musical play which everyone loved, which was Carrie the musical.

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Have you ever, I've never, I know Carrie cause everyone knows Carrie, but I've never seen

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it.

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The musical is fantastic.

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It's a great, great musical, but it was one of those things that like the posters came

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up and normally when we worked at the Seamless Center, we used to get a lot of uni like plays

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and everyone was like uni plays are so hit and miss.

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Like sometimes they're great and sometimes no, no one knows what to do.

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So you're like, okay, cool.

472
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,240
I remember once everyone went in and our boss was just like, okay, pre warning you, this

473
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,240
show might be okay.

474
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,240
It might be terrible.

475
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,200
Like everyone was like, oh, it's going to be terrible.

476
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,200
It sucks.

477
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,520
So we all went down and then I think once I said, I was like, I need to see this show.

478
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,440
And she was like, no, we've all been told that we can only see it once each.

479
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,020
So she would always roster someone different to watch it.

480
00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:33,940
So none of us missed out.

481
00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:38,120
And I reckon like none of it, cause, cause most of the time our job is actually you would

482
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,800
have to look after the patrons.

483
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,880
Like your job was to make sure the elderly didn't die of a heart attack.

484
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,040
So a lot of the time you'd be sitting there and trying to keep an eye on things, looking

485
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,960
at your phone, checking the time, keeping an eye on people, half watching the show and

486
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,100
watching, but none of the time we watched any of the people, we just spend our time

487
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:58,100
watching the show.

488
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,280
If someone died in the audience, we'd have no clue.

489
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,640
It was like, that was how good it was.

490
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,200
So it was like, but I do, I do miss the days as well.

491
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,640
Cause I loved going to the theater and seeing really terrible plays as well.

492
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:16,820
Like I remember, um, I saw years ago on adaptation of, um, uh, I can't remember the plays, um,

493
00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:19,800
but it's a Charlie Brown play modernized.

494
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,880
And it's about like, what if, um, you know, Snoopy was dead.

495
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,280
What if like Charlie Brown was just a miserable old like solid who was in his twenties?

496
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,280
Not Snoopy.

497
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,280
I know, right?

498
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,600
I know my heart is broken.

499
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:38,920
Oh, but I remember watching this and I remember just like everyone, everyone, including the,

500
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,440
the staff and everyone just kind of went this play, like the material was great, but it

501
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,720
was just so badly directed and it was sort of like lapping, lacking that sort of like

502
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,760
weird quirkiness that the script clearly had.

503
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,720
And everyone was just like, man, this is like, cause my brother's ex partner was reading

504
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,760
the script, like cause she worked as the lighting director.

505
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,960
Like she would do the lighting for the, um, if anyone's been to the cinema center, it's

506
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,800
the region theater down below.

507
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,360
It's a small theater and yeah, she was just like reading the script and she would chuckle,

508
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,880
but she was like the before she was looking at the performance grand house.

509
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,960
This is not like this is not clearly like what page to see.

510
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,160
And I think that was when you work at a theater and you see so much, you do become hypercritical

511
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,320
of as an hours perspective.

512
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Like have you tried to employ that?

513
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,640
Oh yeah.

514
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,640
Yeah.

515
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,440
Like, yeah, yeah.

516
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:38,880
I think, um, I mean, I went and saw a show that a friend of mine was in recently and

517
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,640
I was talking to another actor afterwards actually about this.

518
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,680
Cause it's that thing where you're like, you try to turn it off because you just want to

519
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:51,120
be able to like enjoy the show, but you find, um, like it's just little things of maybe

520
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:55,840
like, oh, that was a cool, when they did that there, that's a cool director choice or like,

521
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,600
oh, the lighting or like, you know, like it's little things.

522
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,400
Where if it's a good show, it's normally good things.

523
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,400
I'm like, that's cool.

524
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,400
Whoever directed that, like snaps to you, you know?

525
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:16,040
Uh, if it's patcher, um, it's, I try to, I mean, one of the biggest things I always think,

526
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,080
look, I'll always have my thoughts with like friends and stuff after, um, you know, after,

527
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:27,040
after the shows, not in front of people, like, you know, after a few drinks, like, yeah,

528
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,080
but it's that thing where, um, I think one of the biggest things I always think anyway

529
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:38,880
is like any form of theater, any form of art really is subjective.

530
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:45,320
So everyone is going to have a different reaction to something, think something different or

531
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,320
whatever.

532
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,520
So it's, it's interesting sometimes.

533
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,040
Um, and I think I, you know, if I see something that's not that great, I'm probably not going

534
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,000
to be like, oh, that was terrible.

535
00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Like, you're not going to stand there with a sigh, say this was the worst I've ever seen.

536
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,200
Yeah.

537
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,240
I'm not going to like stand there just like, or like, nah, I'm not quite, you know, like

538
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:12,120
I'll keep my thoughts to myself, but I do love a good creative yarn about the choices

539
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,800
and stuff that people do kind of make.

540
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Um, and being like, oh, I wonder why they did that.

541
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Rather, rather come at it with an inquisitive mind rather than want to have done that, you

542
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,360
know, like, yeah.

543
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,440
I mean, that's really good as well, because I feel like, yeah, when people get too cynical

544
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,600
of things, it kind of drags you down to this sort of like hypercritical of everything.

545
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,600
Yeah.

546
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,600
And I'm not an expert.

547
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Like I know, like as in I'm an, I'm, no one's an expert is what I mean, is that thing where

548
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,280
like, you know, yeah, I'll have like certain things that I like better or thoughts on something

549
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,880
or whatever, but it doesn't mean that like what I have to say goes.

550
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,880
No.

551
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,680
It's the same thing with like anything that I'm doing.

552
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,240
Um, uh, when I'm teaching or in this assistant directing thing or whatever, I'm like, Hey,

553
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,240
here's a thought.

554
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,200
Um, and one of the funniest things, um, that Charlie Vaux said to us when we gave him like

555
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,480
the script and everything to have a look at, and he spoke to us, he was like, so, um, you

556
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,000
can tell me to fuck off, but these are my thoughts.

557
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Like it was that thing where he was like, Hey, like, I'm not an expert.

558
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,200
I just like, like this concept.

559
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,200
I like the script.

560
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,280
I want to give you thoughts, but like, tell me to fuck off if you want.

561
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,960
And I very, I can, I swear on this.

562
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,800
I was like, there's no like child warning.

563
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,840
Just this will be previewed for small children later.

564
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,840
Yeah.

565
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,640
So it's that thing of like, I'm, I'm no expert.

566
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,460
I will have thoughts and sometimes people like my thoughts.

567
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:41,460
Sometimes people won't like my thoughts.

568
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:44,280
It's the same about anything else that I see here.

569
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Whatever.

570
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,920
It's the same reason I think also like, um, I know Kat reached out to me, a mutual friend,

571
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,920
cause it was like the same thing.

572
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,160
It was like, Oh, you have thoughts.

573
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,160
You have opinions.

574
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,160
You're good at this.

575
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,520
And I'm like, am I?

576
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,000
I have thoughts, but it's like, those are few and far between.

577
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,480
But I mean, like it's also, I think the fun thing about reading people's scripts, especially

578
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,640
is you always have your own vision for something or you have your own ideas for something.

579
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,880
And I think, um, it's never like, and I, and I often say this to people, yeah.

580
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,040
Your first idea at all.

581
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,820
So like collaboration is my favorite kind of working with anyone because I'm such a

582
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:25,520
big like nerd to collaborate and go, how do you see it?

583
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,520
How do you see it?

584
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,880
And kind of like deep dive into people's brains.

585
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,760
It's one of my favorite things to do, but I definitely all the time, like we'll sit

586
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:38,960
and dissect something and just go, okay, where fundamentally is there not a point working

587
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,240
and where does it work?

588
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,600
Like where does the flow stop and how are we going to pick that flow up again?

589
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Because I think like when you look at pieces subjectively, especially as an audience member,

590
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,720
you're really looking for the flow all the way through.

591
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,640
It's like A to B, everything like it's seen to seeing you have a flow.

592
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,240
And it's, it's kind of like the thing.

593
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,480
And it's like, I know most audience people don't notice it, but I think when you worked

594
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,080
in it, the like, you know, like 10 years, five years, you know, a couple of years, like

595
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,320
you really kind of pick up on things that you find degrading about like things, you

596
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,440
know, if you're in a film and suddenly it changes style halfway through, you're like,

597
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,400
was that a creative choice or did something just happen and you had to force it?

598
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Yeah.

599
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800
It's that thing where like some things would just stick out like a thumb.

600
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,800
Yeah.

601
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Very much so.

602
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,640
And I think that's kind of like half the fun because you're working with people and you

603
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,040
know, it's like, you know, you're saying I can fuck off.

604
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,040
That's fine.

605
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,040
Yeah.

606
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,760
It's like, I'll give you my opinion, but also like it doesn't mean my opinion is like gospel.

607
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Yeah.

608
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,760
Yeah.

609
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,760
100%.

610
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560
You know, but that's why like, I mean, I will never tell anyone to fuck off who has something

611
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,400
to like say about something that, cause I just, I'm like, that's half the fun in my

612
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520
eyes anyway, like working with people, collabing with people.

613
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,520
Yeah.

614
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,080
Like, yeah, like having those like creative yarns about like, oh, why are we doing this?

615
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Or like, yeah.

616
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,080
Yeah.

617
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,360
And like, I think that's the acting sense when I was studying at 16th street, one of

618
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,920
the biggest like nerdiest, but fun things to do would be when we're working on something

619
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,040
for class and like sitting there with my partner and mining the script down to like all these

620
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,840
details and more like detectives of like, Oh my God, they do that because of that.

621
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,720
And like, and literally I'd get up and I'd be like, you know, like jumping around the

622
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,720
room.

623
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,440
Like it was this like, you know, yeah, it's good fun.

624
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,640
I mean like that's, that's the only way to live as well.

625
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,760
And it's like, when I, it's like, when I write ideas, especially with one of my great co-writing

626
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,160
collaborators, and we always sit there and we always like, when we have zoom meetings,

627
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,920
cause it's currently over in New Zealand, we like have zoom meetings and we're jumping

628
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,800
around the room, just going, that's brilliant.

629
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,800
That's brilliant.

630
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,880
And like, I think when you have, when you sort of like have a soundboard as well, it's

631
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,760
like soundboards are great when you have someone who you just fire off or you have a thought

632
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,400
process where you just kind of dissect something, it really creates more fun.

633
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Cause I feel like it's one of those things, it's when you find the right creative group,

634
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,600
you find the right creative gel and the right creative scene.

635
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,600
It's so good.

636
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,920
Like you're just like, this, you know, it's like honey, everything's moving, everything's

637
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,480
oiled, let's go, let's, um, it's honey the right word, it's probably very thick.

638
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,680
It's like oil, how about that?

639
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,700
Um, yeah, it's Manuka honey.

640
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:22,520
Well that's what we think.

641
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,560
I like it, I like it out.

642
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,440
Like, yes, it's like, go to your local shops.

643
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,440
What are the metaphors?

644
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
It's like a Jenga puzzle.

645
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,440
You know?

646
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,440
Yeah.

647
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,960
It's like a Jenga puzzle.

648
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,960
I love that.

649
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,760
Um, but you know, I mean like for you though, was this, was this like acting always the

650
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,600
trajectory for young Talia?

651
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Was that always like ever since you were a kid?

652
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Honestly, um, I, this is my, my claim to fame as a small child is, um, I played the Virgin

653
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,680
Mary in our school play in kindergarten.

654
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:05,120
I was the starring role of Mary.

655
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,160
And from that moment forward, I was like, this, this is me.

656
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,040
So what, you needed to play the Virgin Mary for life?

657
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,040
You were just like, this is my career.

658
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,520
Yeah, no, it was, it was just that thing where, um, there were two things, I think, when I

659
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,560
was, it was something I was always quite interested in.

660
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,800
Actually, when I was younger, I apparently wanted to be a comedian.

661
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,280
I can say that.

662
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,280
Yeah.

663
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,280
Oh, stop it.

664
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,320
Um, but I couldn't say comedian, so I'd say chameleon.

665
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,360
Um, so that makes more sense.

666
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,360
Yeah.

667
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,360
I mean, both technically.

668
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,520
Um, but it was that thing where I think that was, my mom was saying that it was cause my

669
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,480
nan would always be like, oh, you're such a comedian.

670
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,960
So I'm like, yeah, I'm a chameleon.

671
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Um, so like everyone would be like, Hey Talia, what do you want to be when you're older?

672
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,080
I'm like, uh, chameleon.

673
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,640
Everyone's like, okay, Talia, strange child.

674
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Like, all right.

675
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:58,200
Um, but it was very much, I, I used to actually be quite a shy kid as well though.

676
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,240
I really, yeah, genuinely.

677
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:05,840
Um, my mom, I've got an older sister and my mom laughs because her and I completely swapped

678
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,840
in personality.

679
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,120
Like my sister was the one who was like dancing on tables in tutus when she was younger and

680
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,120
like bossing me around to being like, you're going to be my backup dancer.

681
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,400
Not that I boss around now, but like it was that thing of, she was very like the commanding

682
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,400
the room.

683
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,560
Um, and then, and, and I was like a lot more quiet.

684
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,960
Like I was very much like hiding between my mom's legs.

685
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,000
Like on the first day of school, she had to give me her watch and be like, when this hand

686
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,920
gets to this hand, I'll come pick you up.

687
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,400
And you know, like I was like a really shy kid.

688
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:45,120
Um, and then I think, yeah, I mean, yeah, I played Mary, um, moment.

689
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,280
And then, uh, there was like a few other kind of, you know, dramatic things I did.

690
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:56,240
I remember we made a, a amazing play published, which was called turtle trouble.

691
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:00,600
When I was in like year two or something, which were like these actors that came to

692
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,400
the school and helped us kind of put something together.

693
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,760
Um, and just from then I was like, this is really fun.

694
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,720
Like it's something that I actually can't remember not loving.

695
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,680
And I remember like going to my mom and I'm being like, I want to do classes.

696
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,560
And my mom put me into a night of class when I was like, I think 10, I think she told me

697
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,640
you had to be 10, which was a lie.

698
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Uh, but when I like, who are you mom?

699
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,320
Yeah, come on.

700
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,320
No.

701
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Um, but when I was 10, I did my first night of glass and it was the funniest thing.

702
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,000
Cause it was like the Shakespeare like term thing.

703
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,960
She'd put me in that she, I don't think she even knew like what she was like putting me

704
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,560
in or like, like she was just like, oh yeah, like the night of class, Vitalia let's go.

705
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,840
And then I like did this Shakespeare course for like a term.

706
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Wow.

707
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,800
And I was like, yeah, it was like this 10 year old, like I was probably like, yeah,

708
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,880
like 10 or 11 or whatever and we're doing like Shakespeare.

709
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,300
And I was like, this is fun.

710
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:59,800
And so it was something that I always loved, um, from a pretty young age.

711
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,080
And then when I got to like, and then, you know, throughout school, I was doing all of

712
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,440
the shows and like the musicals.

713
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,520
Um, I did drama for my HSC and like, like it was always, I did like drama.

714
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,720
Clubs did like theater sports and all that fun stuff.

715
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:20,760
Theater sports, theater sports, or how fun it was.

716
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:28,320
And then, um, yeah, when I kind of got into year 12, I think I kind of, it was something

717
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,240
that I was like, oh, this is actually something I could like take more seriously.

718
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:40,040
Um, and I remember I, so with like your IP and your GP and all that jazz, there's something

719
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,440
called you're you, you're new South Wales.

720
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,440
Yeah.

721
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,720
So, you know, like, so on stage, which is like, um, yeah.

722
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,080
So it was a bit of like a turning moment.

723
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,440
I remember for me in year 12, cause I was like, oh, this is something I enjoy, but I

724
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,240
don't know if this is like something I'm like good at or like, I'm all right, but like,

725
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,720
you know, I'm like that good.

726
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:03,960
Um, and I remember I did, uh, an IP, which is this monologue, this like black comedy

727
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:10,240
New York and lady in jail talking to like this pro bono lawyer kind of thing.

728
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:16,680
Um, and I got nominated for on stage and it was a thing where like, I was kind of like,

729
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,000
oh, maybe I can like, yeah.

730
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Like, and this thing of like, you know, I've been only kind of really doing it at school

731
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,280
and like bit of fun and whatever, but it was like this kind of nice thing of all some people

732
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,000
who, and I had so many qualms with like HSC dramas, uh, marking criteria.

733
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,480
Like I remember talking to my teacher and being like creates a subjective performance.

734
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,600
I mean, no, creates a believable performance.

735
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,000
Uh, that's subjective.

736
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Like I'd like, I like, yeah, I was like arguing.

737
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,640
I was like, this is dumb.

738
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,080
You can't grade like this thing, you know?

739
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,000
And um, and yeah, and I ended up getting nominated for on stage and then I kind of went, oh,

740
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
this is cool.

741
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,200
People outside of like, you know, this room who were like these HSC markers or whatever

742
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,280
have come and been like, this was a good performance that like, you know, one should get four marks,

743
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,280
four marks.

744
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,280
Thanks.

745
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,600
And like two like deserves to be seen by other people.

746
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:14,120
And then I kind of went, oh, maybe this is something that I like have some sort of talent

747
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,200
in and then went in like, um, you know, thought about it more and like audition for night.

748
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,200
Oh yeah.

749
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,200
Yeah.

750
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Oh my God.

751
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,200
That's awesome.

752
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,200
Yeah.

753
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,400
So that's like a full on blown creative all the way from the get go.

754
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,400
Pretty much.

755
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,400
Yeah.

756
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,720
It was, it's something that I've like always loved.

757
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,400
That's like, people ask me, they're like, and you know, how long have you wanted to

758
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,400
do that for?

759
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,560
And I was like, since kindergarten, since, since Mary, since Mary,

760
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,160
since that Virgin Mary thing I did back in the day.

761
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Look at me.

762
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,160
I'm great.

763
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,160
Yeah, exactly.

764
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,280
I was famous then I'm famous now.

765
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,280
Always believe.

766
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,280
Yeah.

767
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,800
It's like, it's, it's always my favorite thing as well.

768
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Like do you, as an actor though, it's like one of the things I always think, are you,

769
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,680
are you an actor who likes to have heaps of lines or are you like such a sort of very

770
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,520
much depends on the character?

771
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Depends on the character.

772
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Yeah.

773
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Yeah.

774
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:06,520
Depends on the character.

775
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Cause I mean like, you know, I know there's so many, like there's a lot of actors out

776
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,840
there, I guess they want to be the lead role.

777
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,840
And I think, or it depends, like you can be the silent lead because you got like, um,

778
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,920
was it, um, why is the name escape G?

779
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Give you thinking music.

780
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,240
Um, he's in every film he's been in.

781
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,800
Batman is being Gary Oldman.

782
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,800
Thank you.

783
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,240
I think he music help.

784
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:41,440
But you got people like Gary Oldman who's been, you know, like who is one of those actors

785
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,120
who can be in almost everything he touches.

786
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,000
And it's whether it's a massive speaking role or like Hugo weaving same again, quiet role

787
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,760
or massive speaking role and can kind of do the both best of both worlds and everyone

788
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,760
knows who they are.

789
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Like it's one of those weird skills, but I think people put into categories like lead

790
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,200
role means automatically you just have the most amount of lines.

791
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,760
And sometimes it's actually the lead role tends to have probably a significant less

792
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,760
amount of lines.

793
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,760
Oh, definitely.

794
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,440
Um, is, is that, I mean, you've got to be a good actor to be able, like, I mean, anyone

795
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,360
can say lines in a sense or learn some lines.

796
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Like in a sentence.

797
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,360
Yes.

798
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,360
Yeah.

799
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,920
You know, say lines in a sentence.

800
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,160
It's like, yeah.

801
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:25,880
I mean, the, the best kind of actors are the ones who like don't actually have to say anything,

802
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,440
but like have that presence.

803
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Yeah.

804
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,200
Like it's very much like a presence thing, I think with some of the best actors, like,

805
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:38,440
you know, they can just like, it's different obviously between like film and, um, and TV,

806
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,240
but even like some of the best film actors, they just have that presence just being there.

807
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:44,240
Yeah.

808
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,120
Like it's that thing where it's just like, Oh, like they're watchable.

809
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Yeah.

810
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,120
Like that person, like they, like, yeah, like they don't even have to say anything, but

811
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,120
you're like, Oh, look at that.

812
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,400
I, you know, like, well like that intensity or whatever it's that.

813
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,400
Yeah.

814
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Do you feel like you avoid the typecast world of acting as well?

815
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Do you feel like you're very good at it?

816
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,520
So it's interesting.

817
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,240
It's such an interesting conversation, like the world of typecast.

818
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:18,120
Um, because I, I've been told, you know, like by casting directors or producers, whatever,

819
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,400
um, that when it comes to types, that I can kind of play into a few.

820
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,400
Yeah.

821
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:32,200
I remember, uh, I remember one thing that I got told by this scout of some agent after,

822
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,480
um, a nighter, uh, nighter showcase, whatever, he kind of came up to us and started telling

823
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,400
us what he thought we would play.

824
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Yeah.

825
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,400
Yeah.

826
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Yeah.

827
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,400
Yeah.

828
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,400
Yeah.

829
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,400
In that, in the very like, you're the nerd, you're that like, in a way where it's like,

830
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,400
okay, children.

831
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,880
Um, and I remember I'm like dressed up really nicely.

832
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:59,280
It's more like, you know, I like, uh, grad showcase thing, whatever have like makeup

833
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,600
on look quite feminine, like, and he just goes straight to me and goes, you're gonna

834
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,600
play the butch lesbian.

835
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,920
And I was like, sorry.

836
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,960
Like I actually was like, sorry.

837
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,880
And he was like, cause you have a low voice, like, you know, like just, and I was just

838
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,200
like, okay, like thanks dude.

839
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,880
Like that's really, you know, like, okay.

840
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,880
I guess.

841
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Um, but it's that thing where that was one of the funniest things I think I've ever had

842
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,560
happen.

843
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:34,200
Um, but it is that thing where like, I've been told on one hand, I seem like I would

844
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,240
play someone who's like quite cool, like leather jacket.

845
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:43,160
I got told by someone, uh, that like, I could, I look like I could, I'm totally not like

846
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,520
you've realized I'm a puppy by now probably, but like that I could like kick someone in

847
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,520
the teeth, in the teeth.

848
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,400
Like it's like the strong eyebrows and like, you know, like,

849
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,600
I think it's like, um, you know, differently it's one of those things that it's like everyone,

850
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,240
you know, casting directors classify as appearance as well.

851
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:05,160
But I was like, I remember, uh, telling a bunch of my friends, it's like, I don't, when

852
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,880
I cast people, I don't look at the box that they've tried to fit into like all casting

853
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,520
directors, cause it's like, I look at you and I can kind of see a multitude of facets.

854
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,840
Like you've got everything.

855
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,840
Yeah.

856
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Like I mean, obviously like quite offensive the way that person said that, like so many

857
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,520
reasons like that's so not okay.

858
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,880
I mean, who are they to think that's a PC?

859
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,560
No, it literally, and that's the thing.

860
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,200
Like we all were like, thanks.

861
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,160
Like cause like the way this person, I'm going to say though, in the late twenties, okay.

862
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,160
They've clearly never left their house.

863
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Yeah.

864
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,160
Look, yeah.

865
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,800
Um, yeah, but it was just the way they kind of came at, like, I was like, wow.

866
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,320
It was just a little bit, yeah, you know, chill dude.

867
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,000
And also just everyone else, like it was just like, so like black being like, you're the

868
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,720
nerd, you're this, you're that, you're whatever.

869
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,800
It's like, well, no, actually, like we could be multitudes of things.

870
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,760
And it was that thing where from actually, you know, reputable people, um, it was spoken

871
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,520
to me before as in like, uh, casting directors or producers or whatever, like teachers at

872
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,520
drama school.

873
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:15,060
Um, they say on one hand, yeah, you seem like you're, you know, cool, like could be

874
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:19,280
wearing a leather jacket, like troubled person, how to go, blah, blah.

875
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,320
But then on the other hand as well, you completely play into like a girl next door, like kind

876
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,240
of like funny best friends, like those kinds of things too.

877
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:33,560
And funny enough, um, I remember what, yeah, one of the casting directors said to me is

878
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,440
like, it's kind of good for you because you just have to know how to manipulate yourself.

879
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,440
Yeah.

880
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,600
So if you're going for characters who are, you know, a bit more, who aren't so straight

881
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,320
edge and a maybe like, um, like, have you seen sex education?

882
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,240
Like Maeve kind of like, if like that kind of thing of like, oh, cool person, whatever.

883
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:57,680
Then like, where, where a leather jacket, like this kind of thing.

884
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:03,080
But then on the same, um, sense, if you're going for the romantic lead or the girl next

885
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:09,240
door or something like that, like smile a bit more, uh, you know, um, not that I can

886
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:13,880
completely change my voice, so it's quite resonant and low, but like, you know, yeah,

887
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,320
like keep like, you know, a little bit, keep it a bit higher.

888
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,160
We're a nice, like we're pink.

889
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,560
We're like, and it's just about those things of like, kind of learning how to manipulate

890
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,560
yourself so that you can play these kinds of different characters.

891
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,600
It's not so much like, cool, you're up.

892
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,600
Like the one thing I do know is like, um, like I was saying before I'm 22, but I think,

893
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,880
I think I do look quite young.

894
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,880
Maybe I don't.

895
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,600
That's just because I've had like timeless.

896
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,600
Oh, timeless.

897
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Well, I've had like, um, the Virgin Mary really sunk into it.

898
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,160
I've had like parents of kids that I teach before, they'll be like, so are you here for

899
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,160
the class?

900
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,120
And I'm like, in a way, um, I am the class.

901
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,400
Like, um, is that a hype thing?

902
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,400
Do you think?

903
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

904
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:00,400
I'm, I'm, I'm widdle.

905
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,880
Well, I mean like you're the same size as my partner, Emily.

906
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,680
And it's like, one of the things that I feel we get on a daily, we almost get on a weekly

907
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,160
basis is someone just goes, how old are you?

908
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,800
And her response is just fuck off.

909
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,800
Like, and I don't blame her because I just try to stand there and be the respectful partner

910
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,360
and just go, no, she's going to deal with it because, but also if I need to step in,

911
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,360
then I will.

912
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,840
Um, because apparently like, but it's also, I, and I say this quite frankly, it's like

913
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,920
as someone who doesn't identify with the male population of this planet and has never sat

914
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,400
on any sort of like a little box, it's really frustrating to me when the people just go,

915
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,120
but you're the man in the situation, like, yeah, but you can fuck off and actually be

916
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,600
respectful to anyone.

917
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:39,600
Yeah.

918
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,840
Really doesn't take that hard because it's the same.

919
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,520
It's the same thing that I look at you and I'm like, okay, well you could play like the

920
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,520
cool kid.

921
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,520
You could play the villain.

922
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,520
You could play the girl next door character, but you could also play like someone with

923
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,520
all those facets.

924
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,520
Like, yeah.

925
00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:01,480
And it's not so much like, it's so, uh, what's like one dimensional, I think.

926
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:08,120
And I think that's actually something probably that like, I think, you know, roles that are

927
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,920
being written these days and everything.

928
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,960
I think there's like a big push to try and like present as much as possible, but like

929
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,960
present life like for kind of what they are.

930
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,200
Like even like the new show Heartbreak High, like if you've said, like,

931
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,200
I love that.

932
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,920
I love that Netflix is just like spamming that show to me.

933
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,920
Oh yeah.

934
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,920
So good.

935
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,320
And it's just like, I think it's also, you know, it's, it's that thing as well, because

936
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:41,520
you, that turnbull of just like how the characters fit, how everyone identifies, how we sort

937
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,080
of sit because it's like, I mean, for you, like the most important thing is how you see

938
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,080
yourself.

939
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,080
Yeah.

940
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,920
And then, you know, and what characters you want to fit in versus everyone else going

941
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,440
you're this.

942
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,000
Like, yeah, it is.

943
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,400
It's definitely, it's interesting.

944
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:04,320
And I mean, I personally, so at the moment I'm kind of, cause I've let acting go, cause

945
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,120
I've been more like teaching and this assistant directing thing and everything, but I'm kind

946
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,960
of trying to, you know, update on my show real stuff, getting you headshots to all that

947
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:12,960
stuff.

948
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Manifesting that I'm going to like book a good, like better agent under you kind of

949
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,560
thing.

950
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,560
Manifest.

951
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,520
Hard, hard, hard work at work.

952
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,120
But no, like getting all that stuff kind of together to be able to, you know, do all that

953
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,720
and kind of get back on the acting train a bit more.

954
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,840
Cause I've fallen off.

955
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,360
And it's that thing of where I'm figuring out of what scenes and stuff to kind of put

956
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,360
down for myself.

957
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,560
I'm like, okay, cool.

958
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:47,040
I get the, I know that like more reputable sources than this person from NIDA, but like,

959
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,680
you know, teachers who I've had mentors who I've had casting directors who are reputable,

960
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,560
who have been like, you're cool.

961
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:55,640
Like kind of thing.

962
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:02,040
Like I know that I'm like, okay, I lend myself into, you know, that, that kind of category.

963
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,440
I'm going to find a scene that shows me that that shows them that.

964
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,520
Then at the same time, I'm going to find a scene that's completely different.

965
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,520
Like, you know, maybe like that tough person with the heart of gold kind of like bit broken,

966
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,640
but so like it has like a kind of, you know, and then on the same vein, I'm going to then

967
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,920
shoot a comedic thing, you know, the next kind of tape in my, in my reel is going to

968
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:24,920
be a comedic thing.

969
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,920
Yeah.

970
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,680
Or that like flirty girl next door kind of thing or whatever.

971
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Right.

972
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,320
Like, because then that's showing like, I can do that, but I can do that, but I can

973
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,320
do that.

974
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:41,400
But I have also taken into consideration where I want to be and also where I probably will

975
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,400
sit.

976
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,240
Like I know just from like height, but I know that I probably, like I wouldn't play a mom

977
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,240
role right now.

978
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:56,360
I like, I know that where I'm pitching myself, you know, for the next little bit, is those

979
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:05,000
like Netflix team kind of shows, younger, you know, teens or early twenties, mid twenties.

980
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,240
Like I know that I'm not, I know what I'm not going to play.

981
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:14,240
So it's like, I can kind of figure out what I can, like what I will kind of play and then

982
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,800
put those, you know, put material down, even with headshots and stuff.

983
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,840
Like every time I've gone headshots, I've got one that's more commercial and like that,

984
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,880
like yeah girl next door kind of thing.

985
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,840
And then I always have one in leather jacket.

986
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:30,840
It's just, yeah.

987
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,080
Cause I'm just like, okay, cool.

988
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,080
I know where I need to.

989
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,080
Yeah.

990
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,080
You got to tick the boxes.

991
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,080
Yeah.

992
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,080
Yeah.

993
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,840
Does that ever frustrate you though, that a little bit like our industry is to tick a

994
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,840
box?

995
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:42,840
Definitely.

996
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,920
It definitely does, but it's that hard thing where things, there's, there's definitely

997
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:55,040
things that have like, well, look, if I was like to cast something myself personally,

998
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,200
you know, I think I'd, for me, even just me as Talia, I look at people a lot of time

999
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,840
for just like who they are, like, as in like who, like you are as a person, are you nice

1000
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,840
to me?

1001
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,840
Cool.

1002
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,840
I'll be nice to you kind of thing.

1003
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,920
Like I'm not like, I'm, I used to be like a big like label hater in a sense.

1004
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,160
Like I was just like, you're a cool person.

1005
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,880
You got a good like heart, got a good soul, whatever.

1006
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,920
Then like, that's how I'm going to see you.

1007
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,960
And as, as much as I possibly can, like you make like, just because we're ingrained, it's

1008
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,480
so ingrained in us to like make assumptions and do that.

1009
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,800
Like it still happens, but as much as possible, I'm trying to be like, no dude, like you're

1010
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,240
a person, I'm a person.

1011
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:41,040
But it is very, but that's the thing is that that's not how it is seen.

1012
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,160
And one thing I remember, like one of the biggest things, you know, Les would say to

1013
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,520
us, Les Chantry is an acting teacher at NIDA.

1014
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,640
He would always be like, look, yeah, there's all these things that like, maybe we have

1015
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,760
qualms with about the industry, but the industry is not going to change in five seconds.

1016
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:09,620
So it is that idea of you need to learn how to work with it if you want to get somewhere,

1017
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:14,800
but also not like, you know, it's a balancing act, I guess.

1018
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,000
Like it's even, I remember one thing we were talking about was like personal branding and

1019
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,480
I'm like, I'm terrible with social media.

1020
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Like I need to be better.

1021
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,120
I'm pretty bad at posting and stuff, but it's like, it's a tool.

1022
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:36,040
It's a tool of like, this is who, in a weird way, you as an actor or writer or director

1023
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:42,080
or whatever, anything where you're kind of in that spotlight or whatever, your brand.

1024
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:47,200
And so, yeah, it is, I mean, I'm definitely about the fact that that's the way that it

1025
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:55,000
is, but you can't push against it to the point where like, you're not going to be able to

1026
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,680
kind of, you know, get anywhere as well.

1027
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,680
Yeah.

1028
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,760
So it's this weird balancing act.

1029
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:07,920
I think the biggest thing, one thing Les always said to us, and it took me to working with

1030
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:14,600
him at 16th Street to actually figure out what he meant, is he would always say, you're

1031
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:20,200
more interesting a person than you are an actor, which I completely agree with.

1032
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,240
But his kind of mentality is be unapologetic.

1033
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:31,480
And so I remember when I was back at NIDA, I think I was only 18 when I was at NIDA.

1034
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,840
And some people kind of took that in a way which wasn't like, you know, be unapologetically

1035
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,280
yourself, which is what he meant, but like, oh, don't apologize for anything.

1036
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:48,920
Like, you know, and like that kind of like, and I'm like, not that person at all.

1037
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,760
And so it was interesting kind of, I remember being at NIDA and I'm like, I don't know what

1038
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,760
you mean by this.

1039
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,760
Like be unapologetic.

1040
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,480
Like, you know, if you trip someone over, apologize.

1041
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,040
Like, I don't know.

1042
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:07,440
And I remember, yeah, when I was at 16th Street, we worked with Les online and he was like,

1043
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,680
you know, his philosophy hadn't changed in a few years.

1044
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,120
And I finally understood where I was like, oh, what he's saying is not like, yeah, you

1045
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,120
know, be unapologetic.

1046
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,400
It's like be unapologetically yourself, as in like know who you are.

1047
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,800
So he's like, so if you're actually someone who like values, you know, like you're someone

1048
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,440
who actually likes being, you're not a very opinionated person.

1049
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,240
You're someone who like keeps, likes to keep harmony or you're someone who like values

1050
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,000
this or values that or whatever.

1051
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,840
And you know that about yourself, then don't apologize for that.

1052
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,960
So it was like, so everyone's going to be different, but just don't apologize for who

1053
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:47,960
you are.

1054
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:56,120
And that I think is the balancing, I think that's how I try and, or I will also, I do

1055
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:02,560
and I will try and navigate that balancing act is I know the kind of person I am to like,

1056
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,440
you know, to, to, I mean, I'm always changing.

1057
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,520
We all are, but I know what my values are.

1058
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,880
I know what I want to be.

1059
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:18,680
I know how I want to be seen and kind of just unapologetically being that, like I'm quite

1060
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,320
a goofy person or like, yeah.

1061
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,840
And so then when it comes to like those things that are like that branding or whatever, I

1062
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:33,120
think like, like all my captions on Instagram are like puns, like, cause I'm just like,

1063
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,000
like I'm such, I'm just a dag, like I'm like a daggy dad.

1064
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,760
And I've like accepted that, that's like in, in my, in my daggy dad clothes, as you said

1065
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:43,760
before.

1066
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,880
I'm kind of loving it as well, because it's like, sums up, it sums up the brief moment

1067
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,840
that I get to know you and I just love it.

1068
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:57,720
But I mean, like, also, do you think that because of all that, do you think that how

1069
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,760
are you sort of with your own sort of like, are you an anxious person?

1070
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,000
Cause you talked about being a shy person when you were a kid, but being really confident

1071
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,120
now, does that come with its own trials and relations where you sort of feel like quite

1072
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:16,120
anxious about things, but then trying to hide it through like, I guess, projecting confidence?

1073
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,520
I, oh, I mean, psychoanalyze time.

1074
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,520
Do it.

1075
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:21,520
No, I mean, definitely.

1076
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,440
I am definitely quite an anxious person.

1077
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:32,880
I'm very, it's just, I think what I care about less now, rather than when I was a bit younger,

1078
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,920
like I'm still quite young, but I think actually going to 16th street, honestly, like it really

1079
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,480
changed me as a person.

1080
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,520
Made me feel a lot more comfortable myself.

1081
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,520
It opened me up.

1082
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,720
It made me like, be okay with being vulnerable as well.

1083
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:57,200
Like, but I think it's that I don't care until I do in the sense that I'm not trying to be

1084
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,240
anything.

1085
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:00,760
I'm not trying to be anything.

1086
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,760
Yeah.

1087
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:09,280
I think definitely when I was younger, I still care about what people think of me.

1088
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,280
Of course I do.

1089
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,280
I'm only human.

1090
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,280
Yeah.

1091
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,200
But it's that thing, like, I just kind of, for example, if I meet a bunch of people,

1092
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,920
I actually just really like meeting people.

1093
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,920
I love talking to people.

1094
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,640
I think people are interesting.

1095
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,440
I'm like, cool, who are you?

1096
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,400
Tell me about yourself.

1097
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,760
And so I definitely, I'll get in my head, I'll get insecure when things kind of make

1098
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,160
me feel that way.

1099
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:41,360
But I just try, on the most part I've got, I'm definitely like, I'm an anxious person.

1100
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,440
I think a lot, but I don't let it control me is the other thing as well.

1101
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:54,400
I've gotten to a point where on the most part, I can have a thought and not spiral into what

1102
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,820
that thought is.

1103
00:59:55,820 --> 01:00:00,200
So I can have that thought of like, oh, this person obviously doesn't like you or this

1104
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,600
person, whatever.

1105
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,880
And then I can go, okay.

1106
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,960
And actually this is a thing I was talking to my mate about once, who also suffers with

1107
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,680
anxiety.

1108
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,680
It's this thing where I talk to my anxiety.

1109
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:19,040
Like I actually, like, rather than, that's one of the things that helps me the most.

1110
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,040
Like, obviously I also like go to see a psychologist and everything too.

1111
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,040
And you know, when it gets to a point where it's like more physical, that's when it's

1112
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,280
a bit harder to control, but when it's thoughts, I can be like, hello.

1113
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:38,280
So you're telling me this thing and I'm hearing this thing, but I don't think you're like

1114
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,280
completely correct.

1115
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,800
You're just me projecting this thing because obviously, you know, I don't feel that great

1116
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,800
right now and stuff.

1117
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,280
And then like, thanks for like, you know, being here and like, yeah.

1118
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,840
In a weird way of like, it's almost like, there was an article I read once about like

1119
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,240
the talking to your demons and stuff.

1120
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:04,280
So it's almost like I've tried to personalize, I'll personify whatever the word is, late

1121
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,280
at night.

1122
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,600
My anxiety into being something that I can talk to.

1123
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,080
And actually when it pops up to me, just be like, oh, hey, do you mind?

1124
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,120
Like why are you here right now?

1125
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,320
But okay, you're here, you know, trying to like keep me safe and everything.

1126
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,320
Thanks for that.

1127
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,400
But also like, can you go away now?

1128
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,400
Yeah.

1129
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,560
And it's just the way that I look at things I think is a bit different.

1130
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,040
I think when I was younger, I used to spiral a lot more with my anxiety.

1131
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:39,640
I think now the biggest thing is I'm very sensitive.

1132
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,720
Like I'm a very sensitive person.

1133
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,160
So I'm very sensitive to the energies of like people around me and stuff.

1134
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,560
And I think that's sometimes where like, always kind of making sure other people are okay

1135
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,760
and whatever that kind of thing.

1136
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,760
That's where sometimes my anxiety can spiral.

1137
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:03,300
But in terms of like me being like, it's that thing of me just going, okay, hi, you're not

1138
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,300
helping right now.

1139
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:06,300
Bye kind of thing.

1140
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:07,300
Yeah.

1141
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:12,840
I think that's really good because I mean, you know, the downside of a lot of, you know,

1142
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,760
people, especially with mental health issues, cause I suffer from anxiety too, but it's like

1143
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,760
one of those things that I guess I'm able, depending on the thought to able to push it

1144
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,440
to the side, but not all the time.

1145
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,440
Oh, for sure.

1146
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,440
No way.

1147
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,080
And I think like, I'm one of those people who's very sensitive.

1148
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,440
Like, oh, if anyone knows me personally, I wear my heart on my sleeve.

1149
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,400
So big cancer baby is my friend's life to call me.

1150
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,480
Like you're such a cancer.

1151
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,480
Okay.

1152
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:45,720
Um, but I mean like it's, it's that thought.

1153
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,560
Cause it's so true because I feel like, you know, when you're emotional and you're vulnerable

1154
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:55,120
and it's important because it took me a long time like yourself to kind of feel vulnerable.

1155
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,800
And a lot of that came from after high school.

1156
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,440
Like a lot of it didn't come from high school.

1157
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:05,120
It actually came from outside of a high school to be vulnerable because it was easier, I

1158
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,120
guess, as an adult.

1159
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,160
And I don't think this happens to every adult.

1160
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,440
I think most adults actually find it harder to be emotionally vulnerable.

1161
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,760
Oh, for sure.

1162
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,040
And I'm like, yeah, whatever.

1163
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,880
Like, if you want to feel shit, you want to feel shit.

1164
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,880
Like, you know, that's a, that's the reality.

1165
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:25,920
But I do find it funny because as being someone who never fits a box, I'll always be the first

1166
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,440
person and, and like, I'm very perceptive.

1167
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,600
I've always been like this, but I will automatically know who's sad in a room.

1168
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,240
Like even if everyone's smiling.

1169
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,240
I'm the same.

1170
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,920
Or I'll know what's going on in the room as well.

1171
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,760
Like I remember, um, someone who I was seeing, uh, a few years ago, I went to like a,

1172
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,200
house party of friends of his.

1173
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,200
And I was like, are those two hooking up?

1174
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,480
And then it was like, it was like, no, like a weak light that they were.

1175
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,360
Like I was just like, I could just like, and like, no, he was like, how could you like

1176
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:54,360
tell that?

1177
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:55,360
And I was like, I just, like, I just knew.

1178
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,880
Like I just walked in.

1179
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,680
It wasn't even like they were overtly flirting or anything.

1180
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,440
I was just like, oh, there's an energy between those two.

1181
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,440
Yeah.

1182
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,240
It was just that I'm very much that too, but it's actually funny where we're talking about

1183
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:08,720
like being a sensitive person.

1184
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:17,960
Like I'm learning how to set boundaries with myself to not always do that.

1185
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,000
As in like, if some, like, because I am very much that person that like, if I can tell

1186
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,120
someone's upset, I'm going to go over, I'm going to make sure they're okay.

1187
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,420
Like blah, blah, blah.

1188
01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:31,060
But I'm also realizing like it's that thing of being like, oh, okay.

1189
01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:32,560
How do I feel right now?

1190
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:40,560
And can I take on this energy or do I need to actually not do that this one time kind

1191
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:41,560
of thing?

1192
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,200
And so it's about learning.

1193
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,200
Yeah.

1194
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:49,400
Or like, you know, have people in, yeah, especially if you're a sensitive person, when you know,

1195
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,580
you have people in your life who are like going through something and then you're kind

1196
01:04:54,580 --> 01:04:55,800
of hanging out with them.

1197
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:02,040
And then afterwards you're just, you know, like if you get that, you feel that, that

1198
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,360
I'm just crumbling in the chair.

1199
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,760
That's the kind of vibe because it's like, I love you so much and you're going through

1200
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,160
this really hard time.

1201
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,880
And that's really hard for me to see you going through this.

1202
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,820
And also you like this energy, like what, and it's just this thing of like, this really

1203
01:05:15,820 --> 01:05:16,820
hurts.

1204
01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:17,820
Yeah.

1205
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:22,600
And so I'm trying to learn as someone who's never really been good at setting boundaries,

1206
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:31,180
to be fair, up into this point, I've, I'm learning how to see that, to see that person

1207
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:35,800
who's like maybe a bit upset or whatever, but be like, can I mentally handle this right

1208
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:36,800
now?

1209
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,160
Or is, am I going to leave feeling worse off kind of thing?

1210
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:42,160
Yeah.

1211
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:47,880
Because as much as I am very much like, I care a lot about the, of the, about the people

1212
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,540
around me.

1213
01:05:49,540 --> 01:05:53,320
I need to, I need to care for myself sometimes.

1214
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,440
And I don't, I think that's a line.

1215
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,920
There's a few lines I'm starting to learn, you know, as I move into my early twenties

1216
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,920
and everything, I'm like, I'm so old now.

1217
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:08,880
I'm like, yeah, it's just that thing of, can I actually take this on right now?

1218
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,480
And actually genuinely having that and thinking like, oh yeah, no, I can.

1219
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:13,960
But then it's like, you can't.

1220
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,320
And knowing like, yeah.

1221
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,120
And also knowing how to like, when someone isn't good for you, because I'm, you're probably

1222
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,720
the same, like I'll give people like a million chances.

1223
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,360
Like if I care about someone, I'm so dumb.

1224
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,680
I'll care about them like forever kind of thing.

1225
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,640
And it's that thing where now rather, I still will never like cut anyone off or whatever.

1226
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,120
I won't, you know, use that term, but I'm like, I'm just going to choose to love you

1227
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,120
from afar.

1228
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,120
Yeah.

1229
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,120
Yeah.

1230
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,120
I'm, I'm very similar.

1231
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,880
Like I'm, I'm very good.

1232
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,000
Like I've definitely in the past cut people off because of various different things.

1233
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,880
But I mean like that, that is tends to be extreme circumstances.

1234
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:55,480
Always like, you have to really push my buttons in order for that to happen.

1235
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,840
But I do think that a lot of the time, you know, it has taken me a long time to sort

1236
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,480
of put my own boundaries up as well.

1237
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,800
Like I used to be like, Oh, you know, like I'll help everyone and then sort of be inside

1238
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,600
just eventually like having, you know, like nothing left to give myself.

1239
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,600
Yeah.

1240
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:16,480
So I really think that that's important to kind of step back and know your own sort of

1241
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:21,880
self-worth and your self-re- you know, the ability of what you know, you can give.

1242
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:22,880
Yeah.

1243
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:28,320
Because I think when you're too kind, you know, you can be too kind, but I think you

1244
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:35,960
can sort of like love too much and therefore it's like, and I feel it's kind of like, you

1245
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,520
know, sometimes people can use it to their advantage as well, which I think is the downside

1246
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:46,400
of, you know, situations because like it's one of those things where it's like, Oh, I've

1247
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,580
given you so much.

1248
01:07:47,580 --> 01:07:51,840
Like I remember one of my friends actually said, it's like, she was like, I find it more

1249
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:56,240
stressful that you're so good at giving, you know, more than most friends.

1250
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,800
Like, in fact, more than any of her friends.

1251
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,600
She was like, I don't understand how you're so good at giving people more than what they

1252
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,760
deserve because it was like the only friend that she knew that would go out of their way

1253
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:08,880
to do stuff.

1254
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,160
And it's really not that common.

1255
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,160
Like it's actually surprisingly rare.

1256
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,380
It is.

1257
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:14,380
It's the weird thing.

1258
01:08:14,380 --> 01:08:21,200
Like, yeah, cause it's that thing too where, I mean, I don't think of any kind of friendships,

1259
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,960
or relationships or whatever, it was like transaction of like, you have to do this for

1260
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,560
me and I'll do this for you.

1261
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:33,720
But it is that thing where like most people do actually think about themselves.

1262
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:38,800
And you know, like, yeah, it's just that interesting thing where I, and I guess, I don't know if

1263
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,200
that's like upbringing and it's just being a sensitive person, whatever it is, but it's

1264
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:47,320
that thing where like, I also come from like a big family in the sense, like I have three

1265
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,720
other siblings.

1266
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:55,120
So I've always been, you know, very much like, gonna take care of the people around you and

1267
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,120
everything.

1268
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,840
And I'm second in the kind of pecking order.

1269
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,840
In the pecking order.

1270
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:07,400
Makes it sound like your mother just had chooks and she was like, okay, cool.

1271
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,400
Yeah.

1272
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:13,840
But it is that thing where it's interesting because it's like, I don't even know where

1273
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:14,840
this comes from.

1274
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,880
It's also something I wouldn't want to change about myself.

1275
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:25,920
But it's like, just doing it in a way that also doesn't leave you being like, like burnt

1276
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,400
out, like, you know, from like, you can be burnt out from work and stuff too, but you

1277
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,720
can be like burnt out like emotionally and everything.

1278
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,040
But do you, do you strike yourself as then a very genuine person, which, you know, what

1279
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,160
you meet is what you get kind of thing?

1280
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:42,160
I think so.

1281
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,560
I think, I think the biggest thing, it's such an interesting, like, I also find it like

1282
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,200
really hard to take compliments and stuff sometimes.

1283
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,120
And when you like thinking like, oh, do you find it like genuine, which is normally like

1284
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,440
a positive thing to do, but it's-

1285
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:54,440
It's like, let me self-criticise.

1286
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:58,880
I mean, it's so easy for everyone to like self-criticise rather than build yourself

1287
01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,880
up.

1288
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:04,360
I would say, I mean, yeah, I genuinely think what you say is what you get.

1289
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:10,880
I think the biggest thing that people say to me is what you were saying before, this,

1290
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,960
this thing of like, is this confidence?

1291
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:13,960
Like, yeah.

1292
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,920
Like people think I'm like really, really confident and like that, you know, nothing

1293
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,280
fazes me.

1294
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,760
And that's definitely not true.

1295
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,400
Like definitely not true.

1296
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,760
I think that's one of the biggest things is like when people get to know me more and I'm

1297
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:37,400
like more open and like vulnerable and stuff with them and they're like, whoa, like what?

1298
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,600
Like not that you're like, oh, you have feelings, but like, oh, like you actually have like

1299
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:47,240
insecurities and stuff and I'm like, yeah, like a lot, like it's that kind of thing.

1300
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:53,000
I think that's the, but I think, yeah, I, I don't try and really like be anything.

1301
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,880
Like it's even like, I'm a pretty, um, affectionate person.

1302
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,440
Like I'll walk up to someone and give them a hug when I first meet him.

1303
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:03,400
No, in like a professional sense, I wouldn't be like, oh, hello, come here.

1304
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:08,000
But like, you know, we're like, I meet people out at a pub or like friends of friends or

1305
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,000
whatever.

1306
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,520
I find it hilarious if someone checks my hand.

1307
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,680
Like I, it just feels like, I don't know.

1308
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,920
It just feels, but I can, I also like read people and be like, they're not a hugger.

1309
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,400
I'm not going to hug them.

1310
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:24,000
But it's that thing where like most of the time I will go up and give someone a hug because

1311
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,520
that's just something that's like unapologetically me.

1312
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:28,520
Yeah.

1313
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:29,520
And I'll, yeah.

1314
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,600
Like I don't, I don't think I really try too hard to like be something else.

1315
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:40,680
I think the only thing is probably that like people get the idea that I'm, I have my shit

1316
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,840
more together than I do.

1317
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,080
That would be the only thing I think.

1318
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:49,680
I think it's like, it's one of those things that, you know, it's, it's people automatically

1319
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:56,400
assume you're happy or like, I think it was one of my, one of my favorite sayings.

1320
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,240
And it happened to me, like probably when I was like, in like teens was one of my friends

1321
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:01,720
was like, you're always happy.

1322
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:02,720
Like are you ever sad?

1323
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,200
And I was like all the time.

1324
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:10,720
Like it's like one of those things that I think, you know, cause I do have anxiety and

1325
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:15,760
I do have depression, but I also have ADHD, which is like a neurological thing.

1326
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,760
So it tends to be with ADHD people.

1327
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,960
You are more prone to mental health issues as well.

1328
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:22,960
Yeah.

1329
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:23,960
It's fun.

1330
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:24,960
Yeah.

1331
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:25,960
It's funny.

1332
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,680
That's something I'm actually looking into myself at the moment.

1333
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:28,680
Really?

1334
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:36,120
I've got a referral to go to a psychiatrist about it because this excites me greatly.

1335
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,120
Yeah.

1336
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,200
Cause I like, I always, I have an inkling.

1337
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,560
I have an inkling in the way you talk and the way you, cause there's always, everyone

1338
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,560
who knows me, everyone's like, totally.

1339
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:54,920
It's like, it's the way, it's like 50 thoughts at once.

1340
01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:00,920
But I remember once like one of my friends was recently like looking into it and he's

1341
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,240
going to go and get himself properly diagnosed.

1342
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,800
But he was like talking to his psychologist about it and he was like, I think I have this

1343
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,080
and she was like, okay, cool.

1344
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,440
Let's go and get you actually like find out through the tests.

1345
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:12,440
Yeah.

1346
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:15,360
Um, but I was like talking to him about it and he sort of came up to me and we were at

1347
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,040
this presentation thing and it was a really nice presentation.

1348
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,800
We were chatting and he was like, I think I have ADHD.

1349
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,120
And I was like, this would explain a lot.

1350
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:28,200
Like all of the conversations that I suddenly just went, if you're not neurotypical, then

1351
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,760
I have like, or neuro diverse.

1352
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,280
Like I have no idea quite like what's going on.

1353
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,720
I had the, I had the funniest, um, conversation with a friend of mine the other day.

1354
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,760
Cause, uh, we're like, one of my friends who I went to school with.

1355
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,200
So I've known her since like year seven, but I was out with her and like her group of uni

1356
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,080
mates who I see like every now and then, but they're like really good friends of mine.

1357
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:55,160
And um, we're talking about when I saw my friend recently and I was kind of like to

1358
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:59,320
her, you know, I thought it was like this, I was like, Oh, everyone's telling me I have

1359
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:00,320
ADHD.

1360
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,320
Like do I have ADHD?

1361
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,920
Like, and I kind of say to her, I'm like, Hey, like, you know, you've known me for like

1362
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,080
a good few, like you've known me since like year seven.

1363
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Like I think I might have ADHD.

1364
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,440
And she goes, yep.

1365
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:11,440
Like no hesitation.

1366
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:12,440
She goes, yeah, you do.

1367
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:16,560
And I was like, and like, she's like studying med and you know, she's smart and everything,

1368
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,000
but she was like, yeah, haven't, don't, you know, you don't know this.

1369
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,120
And I was like, cool.

1370
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,120
Okay.

1371
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,680
And so the other night, like she was, she, you know, she was, I said that to her.

1372
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,440
I was like, yeah, like I was like, Oh, this is a really like big moment for me.

1373
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:33,440
And you're just like, no, you do.

1374
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:37,960
And like many people like that I've, that's why I've actually gone and checked it out

1375
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:38,960
recently.

1376
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,240
I was having a chat like we cat about it is like a mutual friend of ours.

1377
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:50,200
But also just like anyone, I was dating someone earlier this year who has ADHD and they were

1378
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:51,200
like tiles.

1379
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,640
And I was like, Oh, it's just that thing.

1380
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,220
So many people pointed it out to me and I'm like, okay, cool.

1381
01:14:57,220 --> 01:14:59,320
So we're going to go check it out.

1382
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,160
I mean, it's, it's also kind of interesting.

1383
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:06,320
And I like the fact that, you know, like I feel, you know, one of the things I always

1384
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:12,800
find especially with dating and having ADHD or, you know, or at least you're on the spectrum

1385
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:19,720
somewhere is dating is also kind of all over the shop.

1386
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,720
Am I wrong?

1387
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,560
I think I just answered that question.

1388
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,280
It's like, it's not easy.

1389
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,960
Cause like, it's, it's like, I think one of my, one of my all time favorite people in

1390
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,440
the world, we, we chat about on a regular basis, but it's like, you literally do it

1391
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:39,800
like in, and I give my partner Emily a kudos cause she actually did a bunch of research

1392
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,320
and she read a book about it.

1393
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:46,760
But I was like, loved it because I was sitting there and just going, normally people find

1394
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:52,600
it the most difficult like thing to deal with because, um, I don't mean like this in a positive

1395
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,720
way because you know, people with ADHD are very easy to deal with, but we talk a lot

1396
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,120
and all we deal with things a lot and a lot of different ways and we do things in different

1397
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,120
ways.

1398
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:03,120
I mean, I, we don't know.

1399
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,120
I haven't yet, but I probably do.

1400
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,120
It's like, yeah.

1401
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,240
Talking out loud as well is like, as in like just talking the thoughts out.

1402
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,240
Yeah.

1403
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:15,280
So yeah, someone who said to me the other day, like you're the funniest person to watch

1404
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,200
like, you know, cause you're like three people having a conversation with yourself.

1405
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:23,920
So I'm like, I'm like, Oh, I was going to say, Oh, I'm actually not going to say, Oh,

1406
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,520
like that kind of thing or whatever, where she's just like, there's like three, like

1407
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:32,640
she started doing this in my like thoughts to be like, yeah, so these are like the three

1408
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,600
people talking at each other.

1409
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:39,600
I think it's like my favorite thing is watching you visually as well is like how I talk.

1410
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:40,600
I'm very animated.

1411
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,600
Yeah.

1412
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,600
It's like, I love that.

1413
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,160
But I remember like one thing, particularly when I was younger, when I first went to the

1414
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:51,040
theater, like theater with my mom, this was like such an ADHD child, but she was just

1415
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,040
like, stop fidgeting.

1416
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,600
Cause I was sitting in the chair, just go, Hmm, hmm.

1417
01:16:54,600 --> 01:17:00,120
Cause I'm so animated and it's like always the thing of just moving.

1418
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,800
Like I can't sit still.

1419
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:02,800
It's amazing.

1420
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:09,040
I have a desk job, but I'm always like this because I've, and I feel, you know, it does,

1421
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,920
it does make sense because, you know, and I can sort of clearly see it in you as well.

1422
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:18,000
Cause I, I, I deal like if the thing is also when people are sort of getting diagnosed

1423
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,760
and I encourage it in everyone, because I think it's more common than people realize.

1424
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:22,760
Yeah.

1425
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:28,600
And especially it's harder to diagnose in women because, you know, normally they just

1426
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,000
go, Oh, but it's hormonal.

1427
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,000
Oh, it's this, that, like, is that, was that an avenue that you found quite frustrating?

1428
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:41,240
I mean, for me, I just, I just chalked everything down to my personality.

1429
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,640
I'm just a bit of a hot mess.

1430
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:51,960
Like, you know, like, yeah, it was that kind of thing of, I, it's funny.

1431
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,080
Cause now that I'm actually looking into it, I remember like back in year 11, my, your

1432
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:01,200
director sitting me down at one point and being like, so let's go through this test.

1433
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,440
And like, I'd made all these like dumb mistakes.

1434
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:07,360
And she was like, so like, you know, go through it, but blah, like explain it.

1435
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,720
I'm like, you know, get everything right.

1436
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,280
And she was like, you don't test well.

1437
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,560
And there's a reason why, and like, she wanted to do something with it, but she like never

1438
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:15,560
did.

1439
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:22,240
And I think as well, like when I was younger, I definitely, um, my, my thoughts on mental

1440
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,680
health now compared to when I was younger was so different in the sense that like, it's

1441
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,660
not that I was like, Oh, I don't believe in mental health or whatever, but it's that thing

1442
01:18:29,660 --> 01:18:31,560
of like, there's such a stigma.

1443
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:36,720
And like, I don't want to like, like, even I remember when I went and saw a psychologist

1444
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,440
in like, I was having like a rough time and like year nine or whatever.

1445
01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:43,400
And they were trying to be like, Oh, anxiety, like depression, blah, blah.

1446
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,960
And I was like, I was like, no, like I refuse.

1447
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:47,960
I know.

1448
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:52,040
Like, you know, like, and it was that thing where I, I just, I was like, no, I'm just

1449
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,440
a person and persons have feelings and blah, blah, blah.

1450
01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:00,760
And like, anyway, as I've gotten a little bit older, um, one, I think everyone go to

1451
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,760
therapy.

1452
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:02,760
It's amazing.

1453
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,640
Uh, and the second thing is like, no, it's actually like, you know, it's a, it's a thing

1454
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:12,520
like you can, you can like change the, there's, there's arguments for like, you can change

1455
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,440
the way your mind thinks and like that kind of thing and certain things you can, but then

1456
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:21,360
also there's like, like chemical imbalances in the brain and things that like, you know,

1457
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,000
like it's, um, yeah.

1458
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,920
And so I think for me, I honestly, like, it's funny now that I'm actually like going down

1459
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,080
this, this route of being like, yeah, okay, I'm actually going to go and, cause it's not

1460
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,840
that I'm not functioning, but I just think I could function better if it was something

1461
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:36,840
I got under control.

1462
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:41,440
Um, so I think that what I was saying about Kat and I keeping each other on task, writing

1463
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:48,000
this play together because I will sit down right for an hour, won't touch something again

1464
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,000
for like weeks.

1465
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,880
Like, yeah, like, you know, that struggle.

1466
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:57,280
Um, and so, yeah, but it's that thing where like, I would just, you know, I, I'm also

1467
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,280
hot mess.

1468
01:19:58,280 --> 01:19:59,280
Great.

1469
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:00,280
Um, as I like to put it.

1470
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,240
I love that this episode just could be Tali is a hot mess.

1471
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:04,640
Tali is a hot mess.

1472
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:05,640
Yes.

1473
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,200
Um, but it was, I just put it down like my personality.

1474
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:13,040
Oh, you know, I'm just a bit, you know, I lose things all the time to the other day.

1475
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:19,520
I left my car keys in an Uber, like, you know, and it's that thing where as I like get a

1476
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,720
bit older and I have more responsibilities in my head and everything, I'm just kind of

1477
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:23,720
like, Oh, okay.

1478
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:29,440
I know these things actually affects more like they affect the day to day kind of like

1479
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:33,640
me being like, Oh, I can't drive my car for two days now because of the car keys and Uber.

1480
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:38,080
Like I gotta wait for the Uber guy to like drop it back or where you've got bills and

1481
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,880
like the things.

1482
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,440
And also when you're like a creative person and you have all these things you want to

1483
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:47,400
do, but you can't make yourself do the thing.

1484
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:53,680
Like it's like, I know, like this, like so many millions, million ideas I have going

1485
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,800
on up here and I'm like, just do it, put it on paper, do the thing.

1486
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:02,600
Um, but yeah, it was more just that thing that I just, I just don't think I've kind

1487
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,560
of believed that it could be a problem.

1488
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:09,600
Not that I didn't like believe in mental health, but I didn't want to believe in it.

1489
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:10,600
Yeah.

1490
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:11,600
If that makes sense.

1491
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:12,600
That does.

1492
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,440
Like that's a, I don't mean like, look, it's not a problem for everyone, but I mean like

1493
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:22,600
it does, you know, even I haven't taken medication since I was about 18.

1494
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:27,160
But even now I find things that like day to day are not fab.

1495
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,720
Like there's definitely tasks, but I mean, it's really, I think it's also one of those

1496
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:37,600
things that because it's so misdiagnosed and it, and especially when you have chemical

1497
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,680
imbalances I've gone to job interviews or stuff like that.

1498
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:46,320
And they've just been like, Ooh, Ooh, if they're like ADHD, what's like, it doesn't mean you're

1499
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:47,320
easily distracted.

1500
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,320
I'm like, not necessarily.

1501
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,320
Yeah.

1502
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:53,720
Because, cause you know, with ADHD, you can kind of get really hyper-focused and like

1503
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:59,720
sometimes I'll disappear upstairs, like on my laptop upstairs and not be seen for hours.

1504
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:04,640
And I think it's one of those things that when I get into the zone, I work really hard.

1505
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:09,920
But then when I'm, when that zone is broken, it's hard for me to get back into it.

1506
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:10,920
And that's the struggle.

1507
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,120
That's where the struggle really begins.

1508
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,440
So it's like, it's not the process of doing the job.

1509
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:19,600
It's just getting into that mode and doing it completely and following it through.

1510
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:20,600
Yeah.

1511
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:21,840
And there's so many other, yeah.

1512
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,720
As I kind of, like, cause I did some research and stuff until people start pointing out

1513
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,520
to me, I'm like, okay, cool.

1514
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,800
And there's, yeah, there's so many other things as well that it's like, you know, it's not

1515
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,940
just, Oh, do you get like, you know, distracted, like conversational, whatever.

1516
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:41,080
But it's like, I was talking to Kat about this recently where I was like, do you ever

1517
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,720
go to like, I don't know, the pub or something and you're distracted by like the lights that

1518
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,760
are like changing behind you, but you're like trying to like, listen to this conversation.

1519
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,440
But you're like, it's that thing where it's like, sometimes it's just my mind's like a

1520
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:54,480
bit, it feels scattered.

1521
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,680
And I'm like, I'm trying to like be here, but my mom wants to go there.

1522
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,120
But like, I do that all the time.

1523
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,120
It's really bad.

1524
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,060
It's like, oh, it's kind of like one of those things.

1525
01:23:05,060 --> 01:23:08,920
And it's the worst, it's the worst when you're trying to focus on something and you're like,

1526
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,240
you're like, or like, um, I have to do this occasionally.

1527
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,760
And I've, I think I've talked to Kat about it is like, you know, if I'm having a serious

1528
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:21,280
conversation in like, I'm tired, I need neural stimuli to kind of keep myself awake and alert.

1529
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,360
And I will look at Instagram, not to look at anything in particular, but just to scroll

1530
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,960
so my brain is staying wired.

1531
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,480
And so I then use the auditory to kind of fill my head of what's actually going on.

1532
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:36,200
So it's like, you can do multiple different things, but that comes with training as well.

1533
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,600
Like back in the day when I was a kid, I couldn't do that.

1534
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:40,600
That was a lost cause.

1535
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:45,280
I definitely also go through periods where it's like, I will sit and go, huh?

1536
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,840
Sorry, what were you saying?

1537
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,520
And that like, someone's talking to me for the last 10 minutes and I'm like, I feel like

1538
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,120
awful, but you know,

1539
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,440
it's even that thing of like, um, yeah, I don't know for sure, but everyone's, everyone

1540
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:58,440
seems to think I have it.

1541
01:23:58,440 --> 01:23:59,440
So we'll find out.

1542
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:03,360
Um, but it's, it's even that thing though, like, you know, whether or not you decide

1543
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,960
to go down the medication route or whatever with it, just kind of knowing things.

1544
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:13,680
And so like, yeah, the person I was seeing earlier this year, um, who has ADHD, they

1545
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,600
were telling me about like body doubling to get things done.

1546
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,880
And like, just this idea of like, I need to clean out my wardrobe or this or whatever.

1547
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,540
So like this person is going to like sit with me while I do this and then I can get it done.

1548
01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:31,920
And so it's that like, and that's something that's stuck with me now.

1549
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,760
And for the, you know, the tasks that I like find some things hard to do, like I gotta

1550
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,760
clean my room.

1551
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:37,760
I don't want to clean my room.

1552
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:42,000
I'm like, Hey friend, can you just come and sit in my room with me and like have a chat

1553
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,000
while I do this thing?

1554
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,760
And then like suddenly it's easier to do the thing.

1555
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:49,960
And so even if it's not like, um, like you were saying, you like haven't taken medication

1556
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,560
or anything, even if you're not going down that route with it, it's just, I guess having,

1557
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,360
if that's something that's like affects you having that awareness, you can figure out

1558
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:05,200
ways to better manage that kind of what you're kind of dealing with.

1559
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:09,120
I think that's very true and it's like how we did tasks the other day.

1560
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,840
Like Emily helped me do like a massive cleanup.

1561
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,680
We had clothes everywhere and we were like, okay, we need to put half of these in the

1562
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,200
wash and half of these in a way.

1563
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:22,320
But it was one of those things that because I couldn't sit there by myself doing the task,

1564
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:28,260
I needed her just to sit by and keep my brain like doing something.

1565
01:25:28,260 --> 01:25:30,760
So I didn't feel like this task was as big.

1566
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:31,760
Yeah, definitely.

1567
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,360
And I'm, I'm always like that.

1568
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:38,120
I'm for some reason, what better with people in the room or sometimes I might like, it

1569
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,120
really depends.

1570
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,760
Like, but sometimes I'm like, oh my God, I get things done.

1571
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,600
And then I'm like, how did that happen?

1572
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:44,600
Yeah.

1573
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:45,600
It's like, whoa, my room's clean.

1574
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,600
Yeah.

1575
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,000
Like, yeah, I know it's so much better when you arrange claim.

1576
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,360
Um, but yeah, it's like the simple mundane things.

1577
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:56,480
And I mean like, you know, do you think it will open, you know, like this diagnosis or

1578
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:59,680
when whatever you find out what's going on with, you know, inside your brain, do you

1579
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,560
think that's going to open up doors for you?

1580
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,480
Or do you think it's kind of like for your own personal doors?

1581
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:11,760
I think it's, I think it's that idea of, because even like I spoke to my psychologist

1582
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,720
who then gave me a referral to go see a psychiatrist.

1583
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,840
Cause she's like, I can't do the assessment and stuff, but I, yeah, probably check it

1584
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:20,840
out.

1585
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:28,920
Um, is I was like, it's not that it's not that I'm not functioning.

1586
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,520
Like as in, yeah, it's not like something that's like debilitating me, but it's that

1587
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,680
thing where, where I used to like, I don't know, chalk things down and just be like,

1588
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,160
I'm a bit of a mess.

1589
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,160
Sorry.

1590
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:46,400
Like, you know, like, like there's this video, um, when I was moving down to Melbourne, my,

1591
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:51,400
that I took of my sister where we're cleaning up my room and she finds this like bag of

1592
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:56,320
organizers being in a bag rather than being used for it.

1593
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,160
And they're like meant to be useful, which is organizing.

1594
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,560
She's just like, is holding up these bags of organizers.

1595
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:05,720
And he's just like, this is you, this is you summed up in a video.

1596
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,440
Like you've got all the organizers stashed in a bag instead of organizing your shit pretty

1597
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:12,240
much.

1598
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:17,480
And so, yeah, and you know, so it's that thing where I don't feel like I'm not functioning,

1599
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:22,880
but I think one with like the things that I need to kind of, you know, get more on top

1600
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:30,640
of, um, I don't, I don't know about like, I'll, I'll kind of see where, how I kind of

1601
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,880
want to go with medication and that kind of thing.

1602
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:38,320
But it's, it's more that like, if I can get a handle on some of those things on like a

1603
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:44,080
day to day basis, that would be great because it just takes up a lot of space that you don't

1604
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,840
realize it does.

1605
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:52,080
And I think as well, I was talking to a friend who said, um, I haven't watched this talk,

1606
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:58,400
but there's a talk which is called like the cost of ADHD, um, which people can't like,

1607
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,800
it's someone going into how it kind of affects you.

1608
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,400
Like in the sense that it's like, oh, you lose things, you gotta buy it again.

1609
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:11,600
Like it actually like, you know, adds up, but it's also the kind of, um, I guess low,

1610
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,360
also like low self esteem and stuff of like, cause what happened to me, which, which was

1611
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:22,560
a bit of a game changer is a couple months ago, um, I've had so many people telling me

1612
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,680
that they got ADHD and I just broke down one day because I was just like, I've got, I'm

1613
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:32,960
so overwhelmed by all these things I have to do and I can't seem to get them done.

1614
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:37,200
And I feel like a mess and my car's a mess and every, and it was that thing where I was

1615
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,000
just like, I'm just sick of feeling like a mess.

1616
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,600
And then I was like, you know, talking to Kat and talking to other people and stuff.

1617
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,440
And, and I was like, cool.

1618
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:50,560
Like, you know, maybe that is, maybe that's, maybe that's a reason why it is like that.

1619
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,840
Cause I'm a very like motivated person.

1620
01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:02,520
Um, and so I guess, you know, it's just that idea of, I feel like having a bit more control

1621
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:03,880
over things.

1622
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:04,880
Yeah.

1623
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:09,760
Um, and just kind of having my shit together a bit more, which is good for the mundane

1624
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:10,760
stuff.

1625
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:15,080
And so the other reason I'm, I'm seriously looking into this is like I was saying, like

1626
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,840
the million and one ideas of like, I want to write this script.

1627
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,400
I want to do this thing.

1628
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:25,920
I like, like the way my mind works a lot of the time is, um, it is different for film

1629
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:30,760
like to theater, but, um, there's a short film I really want to write and I keep having

1630
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:35,480
just random thoughts of like, I want this transition or I want this or like, and so

1631
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:43,600
like my notes are like just all like millions of things of like, you guys can't say it,

1632
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:50,120
but it's like, just like so many pages of just like random ideas of cool, this transition

1633
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:57,280
like of this thing to this or, um, or I come up with a random, uh, concept for something

1634
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:58,280
randomly.

1635
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:02,560
And it's like, I've got, you know, my notes in my mind in a way, I like these scattered

1636
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,200
thoughts.

1637
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,880
And I feel like if I kind of get a handle on it a bit more, if it's something that I

1638
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:17,040
am dealing with that I'll produce better work because I'll be able to actually sit down

1639
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,360
and compile everything together and be like, great.

1640
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:27,240
Now I've got, rather than like these million shot ideas, here's a script.

1641
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:28,240
Yeah.

1642
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:34,000
And it's just, I guess, making, bridging that gap between like all these ideas and the follow

1643
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,880
through of doing it.

1644
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:37,880
If that makes sense.

1645
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:38,880
Yeah, no, it does.

1646
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:39,880
It does make sense.

1647
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:45,880
And I mean like, yeah, it's, it's very much like, you know, if, if it is the prognosis

1648
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,720
and everything, and I mean like, you know, speaking with someone who's had it for their

1649
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:53,440
entire life, um, it's, there's pros and cons to everything.

1650
01:30:53,440 --> 01:31:02,320
I think like, um, you know, the tasks that you can, it's like, you can just over stimulate

1651
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,440
yourself as well.

1652
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:08,040
You get very excited and you sort of get very like self, you know, like then suddenly can

1653
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:09,040
go into stress mode.

1654
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,040
Yeah.

1655
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:15,920
But I mean like, there are a lot of ideas that, you know, like have taken a few years to formulate

1656
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:16,920
and stuff.

1657
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:22,560
And you know, I think had it not been for quite a few friends who also have like ADHD

1658
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:27,100
and knowing, you know, like Kat and stuff who I've known over the years and talked to

1659
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:31,880
about their own experiences, it kind of solidifies a lot more for me because I think growing

1660
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:36,680
up and I didn't have any friends who had it, that was a really kind of like head slammer

1661
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:37,680
moment.

1662
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,400
It was like, I don't know anyone and now I have all these friends who have it.

1663
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,880
A lot of creatives seem to have it.

1664
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:43,880
Yeah, I know.

1665
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,880
Um, and they have it in various different spectrums.

1666
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:47,880
Yeah, definitely.

1667
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,080
But I mean like for my experience, it was something that I was like, okay, well, this

1668
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,960
is my trajectory in this, you know, like whether I'm a writer, whether I'm a producer, whether

1669
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:00,520
I'm a director, you know, whether I'm an editor, like whatever sort of direction I take, um,

1670
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,440
I just want to do the best that I can with that particular project.

1671
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:05,440
Yeah, for sure.

1672
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:10,120
But to maintain that I don't take too much on is also that like, because I get excited

1673
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:11,760
by literally everything as well.

1674
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:12,760
So it's like my Achilles heel.

1675
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:13,760
Yeah, I'm very similar.

1676
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,760
I'm like, oh my God.

1677
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:22,000
Um, but you know, like that I think is half the, the, the excitement.

1678
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,200
And I, and I mean like, you know, your own personal journey will, you know, I I'm sure

1679
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,840
it will have its own trials and tribulations like that, that, you know, that's bound to

1680
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:30,840
happen.

1681
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:37,280
But I mean, a lot of it does, you know, and I think even now, you know, I'm 30, I don't

1682
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:38,280
have all my shit together.

1683
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:39,280
Like I never will.

1684
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:44,880
Um, but I mean, I'm okay with that because I remember like, I'm not trying to be like

1685
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:45,880
everyone else.

1686
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:46,880
I'm trying to be the best me.

1687
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:53,360
So it's like, well, that's more important, you know, with my own like, you know, um,

1688
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:57,600
brain and, and how I see the world, I think that's the best thing I can possibly do.

1689
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:58,600
Yeah, definitely.

1690
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:04,440
Yeah, I just think it'd be, I think one of the biggest reasons, if any, that I was like,

1691
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:08,360
I want to, you know, have a, have a look at if this is something that is affecting me

1692
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:14,040
is because it's very much like, yeah, I want to, you know, just be a bit more that's, but

1693
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:22,000
also like, I think it is definitely a, a project driven creative kind of thing where I'm like,

1694
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,200
I just want to get shit done.

1695
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:28,680
And if like, it helps me get some shit done, then that would be great.

1696
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:29,680
Like kind of thing.

1697
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:30,680
Yeah.

1698
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:31,680
No, I agree with that.

1699
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:32,680
Yeah.

1700
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:33,680
Can I just say I've loved chatting with you.

1701
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:34,680
I've loved chatting with you.

1702
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,680
This has been so much fun.

1703
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:37,680
It's so much fun.

1704
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,240
I'm going to use this as a perfect point to wrap us up, but I literally could talk to

1705
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:42,240
you for days.

1706
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:43,240
I know this is great.

1707
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:44,240
Such high value.

1708
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:49,360
So Talia, where can people stalk you on the internet?

1709
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:50,360
Where can they find you?

1710
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:55,400
What is social?

1711
01:33:55,400 --> 01:34:01,160
People can stalk me on, I mean, Instagram is probably the main kind of platform I think

1712
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:02,160
people use these days.

1713
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,960
You know, I mean, I'm on them.

1714
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:05,960
I'm on them all.

1715
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,240
I'm not on like the Tiki talks or the Tiki talk.

1716
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:14,280
I can't say this is, see, this is where the old madness comes out.

1717
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:15,280
Yeah.

1718
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:22,760
I'm not on the Tiki talks, but I mean, Instagram, Talia, underscore Molino, very original, I

1719
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,640
know is my Instagram.

1720
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,200
And then yeah, like I'm on Facebook.

1721
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:29,200
I don't know.

1722
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,880
I'm a Vimeo, which has, but Vimeo is mainly just my auditions and stuff.

1723
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:37,200
Like I don't know if you guys really watch me do some things.

1724
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:38,200
I don't know.

1725
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:39,200
Do you?

1726
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:40,200
I mean, do you?

1727
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:41,200
We'll see.

1728
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:48,520
I'm trying to like update it once I've got, oh, actually really quickly, I'm doing a challenge.

1729
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:53,920
And if any other actors or whatever are listening to this, I don't know who sets this challenge,

1730
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,160
but look up self tape May, but I'm doing it not in May.

1731
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,840
I'm doing it in October because a friend of mine told me to do it.

1732
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:05,720
But the whole thing is you have to film 16 self tapes, like within a month.

1733
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:06,720
Wow.

1734
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:13,120
So it's like me and my housemate have given ourselves a few extra days.

1735
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:18,720
Like we started last night, but then by the end of October, we have to have kind of 16

1736
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:19,720
self tapes together.

1737
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,200
Holy shit.

1738
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:28,440
And so once, and that's for like footage reasons, just for also just dusting off the rust, kind

1739
01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:32,060
of, yeah, de-rusting a little bit.

1740
01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:35,120
And then yeah, when I kind of then get that together, I mean, that's something that I'll

1741
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:39,520
like, you know, that's also like a platform of like, here's the work that I've done or

1742
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:40,880
like show real stuff.

1743
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:41,880
Yeah.

1744
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:42,880
So, yeah.

1745
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:43,880
Oh my God.

1746
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:44,880
Yeah.

1747
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:45,880
Yeah.

1748
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:46,880
And it's also just fun.

1749
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:47,880
Yeah.

1750
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,720
Like I'm, I've missed doing, cause I've just fallen so much into the other stuff.

1751
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,440
I'm like, I've missed the acting stuff.

1752
01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:54,440
I'm like, let's go.

1753
01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:56,960
Let's like get this show on the road.

1754
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:57,960
Let's do it.

1755
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:58,960
Oh my God.

1756
01:35:58,960 --> 01:35:59,960
I love that.

1757
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:00,960
That's so much like enthusiasm.

1758
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:01,960
Yeah.

1759
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:02,960
This is what you need.

1760
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:08,760
It's like, listen, listen, listeners out there, take time as it was, just to come enthusiastic

1761
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,000
with everything and you'll be fine.

1762
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,000
You'll be sweet.

1763
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,000
You'll be sailing.

1764
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,000
Oh my God.

1765
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,000
I love that.

1766
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,000
Yeah.

1767
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,800
But that sounds like a fun challenge that I recommend.

1768
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:18,800
Yes.

1769
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:19,800
Everyone try that.

1770
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:20,800
Do it.

1771
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:21,800
Do it.

1772
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:22,800
Choose a month.

1773
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:23,800
It doesn't have to be May.

1774
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,640
But that's just when she does it.

1775
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:27,120
So she'll probably do it again next May.

1776
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:31,320
I can't remember the person is who like started the thing, but if you look up self-tape May,

1777
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:32,320
you'll find it.

1778
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:33,320
Oh, I do remember.

1779
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:36,720
It's a podcast called Audrey Helps Actors.

1780
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,360
That rings a bell.

1781
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,560
Don't know what her name is, but I know it's Audrey Helps Actors.

1782
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,680
Well, go and look up Audrey Helps Actors on Spotify.

1783
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:44,680
I'm sure you'll find it.

1784
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:45,680
Yeah.

1785
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:50,360
But if you want to go and check out more episodes of this podcast, you can check them out on

1786
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:51,360
Apple and Spotify.

1787
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,400
I'll be speaking with another guest next week.

1788
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:54,400
Exciting.

1789
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:55,400
I know.

1790
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:56,400
I know.

1791
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,400
Right.

1792
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:58,400
And thank you, Talia.

1793
01:36:58,400 --> 01:36:59,400
Thank you so much.

1794
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:00,400
And I'll speak to everyone all later.

1795
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,400
Goodbye.

1796
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:02,400
Thank you.

1797
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:31,400
Goodbye.