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I think that was from the Easter show and I fucking love it.

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I love Little Jews.

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I really want to see the musical.

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Oh, yes.

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I want it to come to Australia though.

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Like it's like only just officially become a Broadway play.

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I think, cause they made a revival.

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They came back around.

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Yeah.

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Cause it was like before then it was kind of like an on and off Broadway play.

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Like Broadway is such a weird terminology as well.

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I hate it.

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It's like, I'm on Broadway.

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We're on Broadway.

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Where exactly?

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Everyone's like, is it one theater?

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I'm like, no, there's many of them.

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And also it depends how successful that show is, but I feel like that's become

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like since the resurgence, since the resurgence, particularly now it's sort

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of like going back into the public domain and everyone's like, Oh, this is really

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exciting.

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And I think it's actually like some of the songs were written by an Australian.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Like an Australian, like, so it does, or he's either Australian or British, but

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he's not American and he has a unique sense of humor.

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That's why it's so funny.

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So I feel like that's probably why it appeals to us particularly because it's

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very macabre and Australians, we seem to love macabre the most.

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We're such dark little people.

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Like that's hilarious.

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Like so flat toned.

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Yes.

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Very good.

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Well, it's like, there's only so many times where I remember in high school,

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everyone was making dead baby jokes and I don't, I don't endorse dead children.

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like, you know, talking about dead babies in Flanders.

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That is a, it's a part of puberty, I think.

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Everyone at some point is like the funniest thing is a dead baby.

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You're like, oh.

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And you do.

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And the weirdest thing is we don't think about it, but like 17 years before, or 16

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years before we were like a fetus and then you just got to know what that is.

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Those days aren't too far behind us.

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No.

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And then, and then it's like, you know, and then we talk about going into adulthood

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and everyone's like, and you know, I remember in like late high school, everyone

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was talking about having kids one day and I was like, dear God, we're not even

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finished puberty.

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Like we haven't even finished the dead baby jokes, but thinking about making babies.

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How dare you.

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And then, and then potentially these babies might come out dead.

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And when, how do you feel then?

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This was like an awful cycle.

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This horrible Icarus type thing.

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Like look what you've done.

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This is The Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film, life, television,

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culture, mental health, and all of that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend Rose Stunstner.

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Hello.

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She was so excited.

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We were like, jump in, jump in.

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I want to say something.

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Yeah.

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You are, you are so pumped.

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We've already, we've already been recording for 11 minutes.

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I've had, I'm now going to be sitting in the edit room, just like trim, trim, trim.

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Getting what we're here to do.

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They're like, oh wait, that's right.

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We're making a podcast.

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Um, so first topic before, because we are going to talk about your name first and

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foremost, um, so it is German.

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Yes.

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We, we know that it's a very weird German name.

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Um, it's actually probably more commonly German, you know, like then

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probably my last name, um, then, you know, a weird, like, where do you

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feel like it came from?

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So yeah, it's a very, very German last name Stunstner.

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That's normally on the U pronounced.

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Yeah.

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Just change the U to an O and the Z to an S is the hack.

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Basically.

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Um, there's a lot of, like a lot of people in my family as well.

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Like we all sort of have our own variation of pronunciation because it's such an odd

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name and it doesn't look or sound the way it's spelled, um, which is always a lot of

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fun with German words.

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Um, so yeah, I'm, I haven't got any connections to Germany at all.

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Like I don't speak any German.

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My dad doesn't speak any German except for like the occasional swear word.

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You've been taught by your German friend.

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Um, yeah, exactly.

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That's about it.

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Um, so the German last name comes from my great, great grandfather, I believe, who,

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from what all I know from the history is that he was living in Samoa in Polynesia.

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Um, during the second world war or whatever.

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I can't exactly, I don't know the facts exactly, but he married my great grandmother

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who was Portuguese Samoan something around that.

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So, um, it's really weird cause you look at like my dad and my grandfather who look

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like they're Samoan with a little bit of white thrown in there.

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You're like, why have you got a big German last name, especially German, German last

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And like, you look at the timelines, it's like our second world war, what happened?

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But yeah, all I know is that like that was my great grandfather who has this really

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cool German last name who was actually captured as a prisoner of war for a while.

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Oh, wow.

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It was like this whole, like, I think six years he was gone.

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And like when my grandfather was young in Samoa, they only spoke like, there was

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so they weren't allowed to speak German after the world war two because of all the

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events that happened.

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Cause you would basically be like ostracized.

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Like don't do that.

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Um, and yeah, there was all this like family drama that like I only recently

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discovered like when I went home, um, like over like two weeks ago for a holiday,

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just a small brief holiday, my grandfather was like, yeah, look at these books.

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And it was called like the Samoans.

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It was this history book about all this stuff.

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Like all these different cultural things in Samoa, but also like my family's name.

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I'm like, why are we in here?

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Like we're a bunch of Germans.

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He's like wrong.

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And we learned.

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It was really interesting.

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I wish I read more of it or brought it or something to give some fun facts about,

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but yeah, it was really cool to learn about.

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Cause I'm like, what, like what's the go with Germany?

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Do we have any family there?

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Which we do, but I've never met them.

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I've never been there.

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I would love to go, but yeah, it's just weird.

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Like mix of like, cause at home we have this like, like a Christmas dinner table

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would be like sauerkraut, Kranskis, all that sort of German food.

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But then we'd have like really Samoan dishes, like Taro wrapped in banana leaves and coconut

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like cooked in like a omu, which is like a ground oven and like would have all the seafood

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and like okra and stuff like that.

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So it's like a mix of cultures.

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And I always ask like my grandfather, I'm like, is there a good Samoan last name for

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us?

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He's like, nope, it's just Stuntsna.

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But like we all have like Samoan like names of various cultures.

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And like names of variations and stuff like that.

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So like my name's Rose, but like the Samoan version would be like Los Alea or something

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like that.

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Yeah.

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And so which we only use when we're in trouble, which is terrifying.

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Good to know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I told my boyfriend recently, it was the worst thing I've done.

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He just uses it for evil.

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Like I'll be somewhere and he's like Los Alea.

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I'm like, oh shit, what?

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Hello?

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He's like, oh, it's interesting.

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I'm like, don't use that name.

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It's like, this has scarred me.

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Therapy.

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It reminds me of like my grandfather that's booming down the house.

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Like, what are you up to?

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I'm like, nothing.

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Yeah.

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Really interesting.

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I find the name like it's always one of those things that comes up.

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People like, oh, Rose, is that German?

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How do you say this?

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What's going on?

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I'm like, yeah, nothing exciting.

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But then I found out it is very exciting.

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There's a lot of history behind it, which I wish I knew more about.

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Have you tried ancestry ancestry.com?

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No, I should.

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Yeah.

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Because that's like a little inside nook and cranny to the inside.

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I wonder what we're going to find.

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I'm scared if we're going to find a Nazi in there or something.

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I'd be like, oh no.

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I mean, like, you know, maybe it's one of the Nazis who owned a concentration camp.

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It was like, I am funding this.

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It's like one of the worst.

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I'm like, I should have just stuck to my books.

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I'm like, grandfather, the selected books he gave me.

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So I didn't have to know the truth.

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It's like, this is too dark even for me.

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I mean, like that's always sort of like the thing I feel like with, you know,

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going the clash of cultures and everything.

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I mean, did people, especially friends, find that odd, you know, in a family upbringing?

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Not so much actually when I grew up in Queensland, because like Brisbane,

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like the Gold Coast, we have like a lot of like islander presence there.

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Like there's just a lot of people around there.

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Like a lot of my Samoan cousins live in either like Brisbane or New Zealand, obviously.

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But yeah, that was just, it wasn't so much of a big mix up there or an issue.

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or stuff like that, like there was more of a confusion.

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People being like, oh, German and Samoan, that's a bit weird.

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I'm like, yeah, well, I'm just born to the blood that I am.

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Like, I can't help that.

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I mean, like, you know, especially because Melbourne is very white.

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It's very white.

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Which is kind of weird because it's like this artsy city.

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And then it's very white central.

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But I mean, like Sydney is pretty white.

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I mean, it has a huge, if you go to certain pockets,

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it does have like huge populations of like, you know, like you've got Chinatown.

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Basically you've got like, Taxwood and the cities and stuff.

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But if you go out like far west, you get like, you know, Lebanese, like, and then,

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and then a lot of, you know, Indian, Sri Lankan, you know, all these people live out

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like in Parramatta.

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So these little communities define us so fascinating.

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It's such a like, like Australian sort of thing.

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A lot of cities, I think Brisbane was a lot more sort of just all mixed in together.

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It's totally because it's a small, like it's a glorified country town.

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So it's small enough that everyone mixes in.

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which I thought was really interesting at first.

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I was like, yeah, you'd have like Ligon street, which is just all Italian.

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Then you have like different like areas of like Vietnamese food.

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And it was like the best Vietnamese you had because it was just entirely Vietnamese families

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that had been there since like, like decades.

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And like, yeah, it was fantastic.

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Which I found really, really interesting.

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But I think in Sydney, I find that like a lot of these fantastic like sources of like

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just cultural knowledge are a lot further away from the main central area, which I just,

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it's something I've noticed from like, yeah, it's like different cities.

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It's like we, we, we are particularly like a city, which, you know, I think also being

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predominantly white person coming from society, but it is like very much, you know, growing up

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in pockets.

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I remember that one of my friends in school was the only indigenous person in the entire

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area of the school.

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Like we didn't really have, I think we had one other kid actually, we did have two,

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but it was very minor.

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And I'm like, this is the inner west, which I thought would have been way more, but even

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growing up, I was like, well, that's a luxury that I guess that many schools around here

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wouldn't have then like, but it was kind of interesting because you know, you, it did

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kind of like, I guess make me feel very upper class kind of in some ways.

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And I guess as a kid, I wouldn't, I really didn't like think about like, oh, you never

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really think about culture classes.

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My parents never gave like a rat's ass about any sort of like culture classes.

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They weren't like, particularly interested in like racial conversations or when you're

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a kid, like prejudice doesn't exist.

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You're like, you're this person I either like you or I don't like you.

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And you carry on playing with whatever you're doing.

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But it was, it's really interesting because I feel like, because I grew up in such a, like

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a non-judgmental and non-issue when I do see people and I've met people with such high

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regard to different cultures mixing, I'm like, what is wrong with you?

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Like, why are you so angry?

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I know it's so weird.

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Yeah.

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I think it's also because I'm like, do you eat their food?

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Oh, you know, I like sushi.

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And what's your problem?

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I can't be racist.

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I eat sushi.

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It's like, do you know how rare it is to find sushi in Japan?

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Like it's not that big of a thing.

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It's like, it's, it's, you're basically going to anywhere else and you're eating like, um,

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it was an unagi or something.

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Oh my God.

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I like American food.

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McDonald's is delicious.

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Like what?

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I know.

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And it's just like, I just feel like they're, I think particularly with Sydney people,

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but also just with Australians in New York, when you do not travel and you do not, you

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haven't grown up with a lot of variety.

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And I mean, like, you know, obviously you grew up with a particularly, so risky area.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, like you, you do kind of get people who have lived a very sheltered life and

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therefore, you know, having mixed cultures automatically means, oh.

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Outside threat.

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But then, but then do you have the issue of just people

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assuming that you're just Anglo-Saxon all the time?

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Um, not too, it's as I've gotten older a little bit,

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because I haven't seen the sun as much, but when I was younger,

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my sister and I, we got like, our parents would get questions like, oh, like who's the

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father?

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Or like, what, like what my favorite was, what are they?

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I'm like, these are two kids like running around because like we were quite tan again

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in Queensland, like always in the sun, always in the farm, riding horses, not being sunsaved.

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Wear your sunscreen.

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So we just sort of get weird questions.

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People would think we're either like Portuguese or like South Spain,

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Italian, Sicilian, or we get like, um, Australasian mixes.

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People would be like, oh, are you like, I know Thai crossed.

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I'm like, absolutely not.

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Like probably more white than I am Polynesian.

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And yet, yeah, people are like, you look slightly racially ambiguous.

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We have to know what it is.

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I'm like, do you know?

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Like, I think it's because yeah, I have dark brown hair, dark eyes, like, yeah.

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And I tan up occasionally and people are like, oh, that's so interesting.

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I had one man.

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Sorry, I just loved that word.

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I'm just so interesting.

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I had a, I remember like my favorite memory of like the whole,

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because I am a very white passing person.

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I was at this bar.

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Um, and this old man came in.

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This is in, uh, Brisbane.

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He looks at me, he's like, oh, you look like a bit of a mutt.

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I'm like, excuse me.

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What?

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I know.

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And this is me, like at the bar, like looking like I'm an Anglo-Saxon person.

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And they have like next to me is my friend who was like half Tongan

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and maybe Indigenous Australian.

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He just looked at me and he's like, what does he think?

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I am like, just stay out of it.

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Oh my God.

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This is awful.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, obviously and incredibly fortunately.

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So I have never had to deal too much with like the darker side of like obsession

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with like race and ethnicity and stuff like that.

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I mean, like that's the, that's the only advantage of like, I guess,

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white passing to a varying degree.

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But I do think that I've like, and I've chatted a fair amount to different people

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about why passing any issue I find with it, like, like terminating terminology more so.

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Why is it because you had this, we had this era where it was like, oh,

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we didn't have white passing as a phrase.

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So everyone used, you know, people of color or, you know, people of different cultures

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and ethnicities.

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And even then some people are like, oh, you can't say that.

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That's the end.

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They're technically not people of color.

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People of color are completely different.

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I'm like, well, where's the final, like where you walk?

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So there was like the, and I guess it, you know, I think that's the problem we have

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with society at the moment is like, there is an element where we are so politically correct

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that you can't say anything without offending someone, which we all walk this fine line.

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And it, and it particularly like, I watch it all the time on Q and A and shows like that,

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where you do see people try and express an opinion and it gets shut down immediately

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because they've used the wrong word or they've misphrased something.

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And while I agree that language is such an important thing, I do think that the terms

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of like white passing and stuff like that, it's actually the more common thing then,

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but then people use it as, oh, but then you're not really like this.

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And it's so strange that like, I find this, yeah, this obsession with like gatekeeping

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and like ethnicity and stuff like that is just bizarre, especially after like the way

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that like history has treated people of color and like all those different things, like,

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and I'm not one who can completely speak on this, like from an honest, like truthful point

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of experience because I've been very fortunate with like the way that I was brought up and

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stuff like that. But like, there's such a weird, yeah, like level of gatekeeping, which I seem

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like I find like comes a lot from the people who are white being like, you can't say that

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you're like indigenous, like especially in America, I think there's a lot of that.

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You can't say like you're indigenous American or whatever, because like they're like, oh,

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how much, what's it worth? Like you don't look at it. And I'm like, why, why do we need to go

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into fractions with this? Like, but we are fractions. Exactly. It's bizarre. It's a mathematical

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equation. Exactly. And again, like, as I said earlier, there are bigger things to be worried

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about, like why. And I think the thing with language and like the political correctness thing,

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I think is really interesting because like language, especially where we are currently

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in like the journey of human experience, like language is changing like crazy. Like it is

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evolving so much. And so it's obviously incredibly hard these days to try and say the right thing

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without making a mistake or missing a certain cue and stuff like that. And I think the best way to

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approach that is just to be like, yeah, willing to learn and be like that childlike innocence of

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wanting to learn. Cause I was talking, yeah, with a friend of mine who was non-binary and like how

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they were like, um, addressing that sort of like correcting their friends when they misgendered

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and stuff like that. And like they said, like, it's okay. Like you were, like if they were known

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like as a certain gender their entire life and now their friends are having to like re like,

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what they said, they said something in a kind of way of like, you have a couple of times to sort

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of get used to rephrasing things because you've just said it almost as a muscle memory, but muscles

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are made to change and grow. And so you'll be fine. Um, don't worry. Like it's okay. I know that you

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are not doing it maliciously, so that is fine. But if you were someone else who comes up to me,

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like a stranger and says like, I don't know that you can obviously see the subtext and everything

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that they're saying. And I think that's important to understand when like someone's trying their

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very best to express something and you know that they're not being malicious when they say the

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wrong thing. And I think, I think also we, you know, it's such a generational thing because like I,

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I work predominantly in a tech field and so I do, like I identify as gender fluid. So I think

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particularly for me, it's very hard to be in a male dominated tech field to be like, okay,

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here's my pronouns. And because I remember I was like, you're what? Oh my God. But I think my

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favorite thing was there was an email that one of my friends who I used to live with, um, they sent

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out an email and, um, they go by they, them and she, her, and they sent out the same with their

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pronouns on it. And like my coworker at the time was just like, why do people do that? I was like,

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Oh God, no unsafe. And it was like, I have a lot of respect for you, but I will never tell you the

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things that I know. And it's like, I remember like, and it was, it was kind of a hard thing because I

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came out, you know, like a lot of my decisions in life came out much lighter because you know,

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I grew up in the nineties. So the nineties when I was a kid was not the most accepting time.

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So I find like my biggest trials and tribulations came from finding my identity when I was halfway

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through my twenties and, and come into terms with a lot of what I'd felt since I was like 14

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onwards and going through these stages of being like, am I a guy? Am I a girl? Like where do I

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sit in the spectrum? And then it's like, do I like guys? Do I like girls? I don't know. And then all

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these conversations. And then finally it was just like clicked in my, like I had enough, like I had

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so many exes just go, you are definitely not straight. It's just like, it was my favorite

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quote and like even my best friend to this day, I love it a bit. And she was just like, when I told

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her, she was like, glad you worked it out. That's like when I came out to my parents as bisexual

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and it was the most underwhelming thing. I think they knew way before I did. You know what the saddest

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thing was my parents didn't know before me. And I was like, my mom messaged me because she found out

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via Instagram. And I was like, I've been out for two years and she had no idea. And she was like,

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and I was like, you grew up, like you raised me. It was so funny. The day that I came out to my

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parents, like I had like two glasses of wine with my friend trying to get like the courage up. She's

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like, you have to tell them. I'm like, no, I can't. She's like, they probably already know, like look

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at you. I'm like, what do you mean? Like, can't you tell it's oozing out of me? Like I've got

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like multiple rings on and nose piercings and like just, I think I had like purple hair at the time.

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And she's like, you don't exactly look straight. I mean, like, you know, if I looked at you, I'd

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be like, nah, just very straight, very hetero. This is me trying to look nice. But I came into

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my mom and she's like, oh yeah, that's cool. Like I always knew you had like something fruity about

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you. I'm like, thanks. Oh my God. I lie. But like my first memory of like that I realized was a

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memory of like my parents knowing that I was definitely like a queer kid was I was maybe like

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seven and I had this best friend, her name is Zoe. And we just did everything together, like

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everything. Um, we were like, those kids were obsessed with like fairies. We'd write fairy

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letters, letters together to fairies. We did everything that was very fun. And like we'd run

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around and do camping trips and run around like playing Robin Hood and stuff like that. My parents

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one day were like driving me to school. They're like, so do you like Zoe? I'm like, yeah, I love

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Zoe. They do. You love love Zoe. I'm like, I'm seven. I don't know what that concept is yet,

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but sure. And my parents like, Hmm, okay. And as we got older, like maybe the last time I saw her,

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I was like 10. And like we were talking, I think we were doing sex ed at a very Catholic school at

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the time. So it wasn't really sex ed. I was talking to my mom reading this book. I'm like,

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can girls have babies? She's like, no, but they can fall in love. Why do you and Zoe love each

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other? I'm like, why, what, what is all this talk about Zoe and I? Like she's really cool, I guess.

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But then I got older and I was like, yeah, that was definitely a first crush. Just didn't know

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that that was allowed. Yeah. I thought she was fabulous. Like she was so cool. And like,

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like my first, when my first male crush was with Harry Potter, like he's awesome. He's really cool

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and really neat. And I was like, I think Zoe's just as cool and neat. I just didn't figured it

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out because I didn't know the words for it and stuff like that. That is the cutest. I mean, like

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look, I think it was just kind of my first like realization was trying to convince myself that

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David Tennant wasn't extremely attractive. Oh my God. He's so dreamy. He is so cute. And I remember

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like he was in, he was in Blackpool and like he's also in Doctor Who, which I love, but like I

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particularly remember him in Blackpool and he was like, uh, light sort of like early thirties. Um,

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and I was like, who's this? Who's this? And I'm like 14 and I'm like, don't just, you know,

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to pretend this doesn't make sense. Yeah. I was like, and I just went through that like,

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you know, pre pubescent sort of thing of just, you know, what most teenagers do is lock yourself

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in a room and watch dark, dark things. Most parents never want to know. Yeah. It's just best if you

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just, yeah, blind us on. But I mean, like, I think it was very interesting because I tried to convince

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myself because I had a very like religious grandmother on my dad's side. So she was like

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very like, and I used to be one of those scared children, which was very like, Oh, if I, you know,

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masturbate, is that going to go to hell? Is this going to make me blind? You're like, Oh no.

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I just like think that I just love the idea of God coming down and studying.

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Abusing these children. He's like, how dare you have pleasure?

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It's like, how dare you do it? Here is the, here is dicks to the eyes and this will blind you.

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Why is God watching us? Like that's a permanent thing to do.

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I know it's like, it's like when people say God's watching you all the time, like while I shit,

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it's like, as a robot, as a kid, while I'm in the toilet, that's weird. And everyone's like,

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that's not the point. I'm like, shut up. Your God isn't the point.

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But I do remember like being intensely, you know, like, and I remember it was like, Oh no,

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it's clearly like, um, Sarah Paulson, um, not Sarah Paulson, uh, Sarah Parrish in, in the show.

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And I was like, nah, she's the one attracted. And I was like, is she though?

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Yeah. But David Tennant is also here.

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They're both here.

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Yeah.

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Like trying to make your eyes face different directions. Like, geez.

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But I think it was like that realization. And I just kept like, my dad once, um, said, he's like,

451
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Oh, you remind me a lot of David Bowie. And I was like,

452
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,340
Yes.

453
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,160
I was like, Oh, I love, I love, I love. And I think it was like my dad, my dad always knew,

454
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,400
like he just automatically knew, but my dad and I are very similar. And I realized that growing up

455
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:54,400
was, um, he was very similar to me. He just didn't identify with other guys. So it was like that kind

456
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,600
of concept of you're a bloke, but you're not in society. And then how do you like, and I remember

457
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,320
once I was probably about 21 and he was just like, he said to me, he was like, it would have been

458
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:10,320
more sense if I was born a woman. And I was like, that is the nicest and most humbling thing to kind

459
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,160
of like, how he said that to you, he said that to me. And I was like, that's really nice. That's

460
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,840
really kind. And I was like, okay, cool. This is like more of a relation that I have with my dad

461
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,880
now. And I think it's just, we get along really well and we talk, but he's very open. He's very

462
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,200
emotional. And I think that, um, wonderful mentor to have as well. I feel like not enough people

463
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,360
have such a strong masculine energy in their lives. Like, yeah, but it's complete opposite.

464
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:38,400
Cause growing up he was he, cause he had so much childhood trauma himself. He didn't know how to

465
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,520
compartmentalize. And then it was through a lot of therapy and a lot of like working out and a lot of

466
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,800
like, particularly after his mother died, it was kind of just this big open up to his kids. He was

467
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:55,840
like, okay, now my parents are no longer around. I have no, my obligation is to my children and I

468
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:02,080
need to make sure that their remainder of my existence is not in vain and not remembered is,

469
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:08,480
I guess this very bitter person towards their own parents and very appreciative. Cause he, all he

470
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:15,680
he wanted ever was for us to have a good life. And I think a lot of that came out and through just

471
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:22,240
general hatred towards his own parents and, and trying not, and particularly because his mother

472
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:28,160
was so religious, like he wasn't, he's a, he's an agnostic. He mostly believes in nothing other

473
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,560
than the rules of science. And I think particularly he was just trying, he's both his siblings are

474
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:38,000
super religious. Yeah. So he's the only one. And yeah, all my cousins on those sides. And I,

475
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,800
I love my cousins very much, but I do find that it is one of those things that when I, you know,

476
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,920
I do talk to my dad's brother occasionally. He's really lovely, but dad is currently estranged from

477
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:55,040
his sister because she just completely threw like, yeah, family drama happened. And dad was just

478
00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:00,320
like, cool. I don't really want to spend any more time with you. And you've just kind of like,

479
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,240
crap. Yeah. And I think it was also because they, um, like my aunt particularly had my

480
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,760
Nan on her side. And then it was suddenly that funnel shift kind of disappeared. And then all

481
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,640
she had was her brothers and she didn't know how to talk to her brothers. So it was very clear that

482
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,600
there was a lot of pent up issues. That's so interesting. It's so strange. Like something I

483
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,960
realized like recently, like a couple of years back, like just before lockdown, it was like,

484
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,600
I just had that realization, which everyone does, is that you realize that your parents are just

485
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,120
people with their own drama and their own history before you. Cause like for ages, when you're a kid,

486
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,800
you're like, oh, they're these like pedestal, like people who know everything. And then yeah,

487
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,720
you get older to a certain age. You're like, oh my God, like you were just, yeah, you were just a

488
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,760
person and you have just as many flaws as I do. Like it's such an interesting and all of a sudden

489
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,440
times like heartbreaking change and thing to realize, but it just makes everything so much

490
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,760
easier once you get past that point. I think your dad probably had like a similar thing being like,

491
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,360
I don't have to be like my parents. I don't have to follow this path because they said it that way.

492
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,840
Like, yeah. Yeah. And I think it's really important to kind of like raise, you know,

493
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,600
cause you know, cause I definitely want to have kids one day, but I also want to raise them in a

494
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,520
society that, you know, has a very like, you know, do what you want to do. Don't kill people, but

495
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,040
yeah, just don't do crime too much. You know, do drugs safely. If you want to tell me about them,

496
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,280
go right ahead. Like just let me know. Don't do anything that is too stupid. Yeah. Don't do a

497
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,360
murder. Don't do a bankrupt. Yeah. Like just, just don't get yourself caught. And basically if you

498
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:36,560
just do crime well, you're going to murder people. Here's my advice. I'm like, hi, hot tips of murder

499
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,840
with Rose. I mean, like, do you listen to it? I listened to way too much. I used to, not as much

500
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,280
as I used to. I've now moved onto like Dungeons and Dragons podcasts. You're such a nerd. I am

501
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,000
such a nerd. I'm really like, I, I've literally got Dungeons and Dragons coming up this Saturday.

502
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,800
I'm very excited to play. I did cancel my session tonight to do this, which I was like so fine with,

503
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,520
but yeah. Can I just say thank you for making time in your incredible schedule. Cause that is sick

504
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,560
as fuck. Yeah. I text like the party. I'm like, Hey guys, I can't do a session tonight. I'm on a podcast.

505
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,680
They're like, that's so cool. Is it a D and D podcast? I'm like, I'm going to make it one.

506
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,680
So yeah. How often do you guys get together and play? Um, we play, so the one that I'm DMing,

507
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,920
I play fortnightly as much as I can. It's completely homebrewed one. So I do fortnightly.

508
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,360
So I have time to prepare and stuff like that. And then there's another one I play, which my

509
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:29,840
partner runs. He's wonderful. He's doing a curse of Strahd game, which is a lot of fun. Yeah.

510
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Really fun. So it's very spooky, Gothic, vampiric, like werewolves, all that stuff with just,

511
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,080
shit. Yeah. Yeah. With like three just absolute crack addict queers playing characters, just

512
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,120
unraveling everything that he's planned out. Um, which is really fun. It's great. And we're like

513
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,360
myself and like one other player, both actors as well. So like our improv is just ridiculous.

514
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,800
And he's watching us like go on these tangents. He's like, what, what is going on? So it's a lot

515
00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:01,200
of fun. Yeah. Oh my God. I love that. I'm already like in love with what you do. I play board games.

516
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:07,120
He's like, Oh, I just, I love board games and I miss playing D and D so much. And it was one of

517
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,880
my like favorite pastimes. It's also just, I love a good DM. And it's like, um, I used to play

518
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:19,200
episodic cause my shift work was like so terrible. So we'd meet up like once every two or three

519
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,880
weeks and then play a game. But you know, it was one of those things that, um, when we did,

520
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,560
we'd have to recap. Yeah. You'd have the right, the notes, right? Well, we're the same cause like

521
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,640
the party I run, like we're all bartenders. We all work together or some of us used to work and have

522
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,120
moved on. So like it's our catch up and keeping us like sort of sane. And we, we say it's like

523
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,440
fortnightly, but it's normally like fortnight and then like a month and then two weeks in a row.

524
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,800
And that's just, it's bizarre, but it's yeah, very similar. Like I have to write notes and be like,

525
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,160
what happened? Cause it's especially cause it's homebrew as well. Like I'm like, I can't remember

526
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,280
where we are, what's going on. And like, what I plan is not what the players do. So I'm like,

527
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,600
they're on the fly trying to make up and figure out things to do. And I'm like, why they do this?

528
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,960
And it's like almost when, you know, they gave you as a DM, you give them a direction and you're

529
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,600
like, now fuck that. Yeah. Like you have two doors. Like we found a secret third door. I'm like X

530
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,360
how I didn't prepare this. Like where is this leading? All right. Sure. Like right. No,

531
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:24,800
it's like, yeah, it's always my favorite is just watching. And especially if you go into like D and

532
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:30,720
D law and you go into the old books, like you used to find in the bookshop. Um, yeah, like some of

533
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,480
the like the spells and stuff that you cast and then the rules that some of them would have where

534
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,360
you can't do two things at once. And I'm like, are you fucking for real? Like how uncoordinated

535
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:47,840
with these original characters? Look, it's like, um, and, and like one of my favorite role,

536
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:54,400
part, role playing games is actually a great board game called, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, fury of Dracula.

537
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,680
What is this? It's such a good game. It's like six hours. It's worth a play. Okay. Cool. It's so

538
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,240
cool. But basically you get shifts and you get the day shift where all the four main characters

539
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,600
play. And then you get the night shift where Dracula gets to move secretly and he has his own

540
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:15,600
map so he can hide in locations that no one knows. And then if he manages to enslave the world,

541
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:22,160
then the players are fucked. But if they manage to find him and kill him before then, then it's

542
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,160
like battleships with vampires. And it's so cool. Like, it's such a fun game. And like, yeah, like

543
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,920
I haven't played in a few years, but I had the ball game here. And then like, I love horror games

544
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:38,000
particularly, but I'm also just like a horror fanatic. Yeah. I love horror movies so much and

545
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,400
anything horror related. Like I absolutely don't. Like you were saying earlier, like yeah,

546
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,520
Gekko Mouto Taro is making a Pinocchio. And I'm like, I hope it's terrifying.

547
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,560
I just, like, I literally, I, the first thing, um, when I was about like 19 was what Taro,

548
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,920
and then I was like, Oh my God, I can't ever go back and watch people getting mutilated.

549
00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:00,640
Really kind of set my sociopathic psycho, like analyzing nature in the set in stone. Uh, be

550
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,000
worried in a dark alley. Well, the dark alley I walked down to get to this house. This is actually

551
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,760
not a house. The spooky tree. I was looking at the front, I'm like, this looks like a D&D mansion.

552
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,680
I love the fact that the house looks so ominous. Um, but no, I think, I think particularly with

553
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,400
that is just, you know, horror is such a staple. And it's the reason like I originally probably,

554
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,360
like I got into acting cause I, like, I wanted to do sci-fi. So I wanted to particularly get

555
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,160
into sci-fi genre. And then it kind of like, I went into what would it be like to produce?

556
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:38,560
What would it be like to make and direct? And like, I do a lot of, I do too much stuff,

557
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,280
but I do a lot of like, I, um, co-write stuff with friends and then I'd like make stuff. I try and

558
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,960
make short films when in between my actual hectic life. Um, and even then, like I spent about two

559
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,760
years co-writing a script with a friend. Um, and yeah, I had this horror film in a drawer,

560
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,640
which is literally like very dark and twisted and fucked up. So, um, I can't wait to make it

561
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,120
one day. And no, it's in the drawer. Um, I might tell you about it after. Please do. Yeah, that

562
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,880
sounds fantastic. Um, but yeah, I want to talk about you and particularly like where this journey

563
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,560
of creativity started for you. Oh God. Yeah. Cause like, let's go back to little rose. It's a rose

564
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:26,400
and, and where little rose grew into that. So the queer flower, the bouquet. Um, no, little rose has

565
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,360
always wanted to be an actor. Um, which is really sweet. I, the reason I went back to acting school

566
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,360
is I found a little letter to myself. Like I was at my parents' house and say, I can't wait to be

567
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,920
an actor. I was like, Oh, I've got to do it now. Like in a child healing or something. Um, no. So

568
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,360
I've always loved like creativity. Um, has been something that's just been like my family's blood.

569
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,840
Like my dad's a musician, like a hobby musician. He's now a lawyer, but he's just a mean guitar

570
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,400
player. Like he's got so many at home. He's got his own music room now, which is fantastic. Yeah.

571
00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:00,480
He's like a dedicated hobby guitarist. He's very good. Um, my mom is an artist, she, but not her

572
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,240
day job. Yeah. Again, like very, very artistic. Like drew like painted and stuff like that. I

573
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,040
remember going to her like art exhibitions as a kid. Um, and then like, yeah, like my uncles and

574
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,080
aunts are all very musical and like just generally like we're all very artsy people. So it was just

575
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,840
sort of something that was like a given. Like I can't do math and science to save myself, but I

576
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:23,600
I can sing, dance and act. Yeah. That's all I can do. Um, so yeah, like acting was something

577
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,640
that sort of came out of like, as a kid, I had this obsession with stories and storytelling.

578
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,560
Yeah. Um, and like growing up on a farm, not very much to do. This is back when like dial

579
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000
up internet was still a thing. And like dad would say like, it doesn't work because I just don't

580
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,520
want to deal with kids watching TV and on the internet all the time. So they could give me a

581
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,160
stick, send me and my sister on the way into the paddocks and we just have fun. And that's, yeah,

582
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,480
just, I'd make up these incredible worlds in my head. Like I've always had a very, very, very

583
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,400
vivid, almost out of control imagination. Um, really, really good, not fun and a dark hallway

584
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,960
at night when you're running to your bedroom after the bathroom, terrifying time. I'm like,

585
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:05,920
there's something that's going to eat me. Yeah. Like I have very vivid imagination. Um, yeah. So

586
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,520
I just grew up like telling stories to my sister. Like I put on, I was the kid who put on plays for

587
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,280
like the cousins and stuff like that. Like I'd make short films with like my shitty little via

588
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,920
just camera and like try and edit it together with like iMovie or whatever it was before iMovie was

589
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,720
a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Macintosh something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

590
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,200
Like one time I made a little like a plasticine stop motion film and dad's like, okay, well like

591
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,840
do you want to do a night, a short course for like, um, like kids? Yeah. Sure. I'll try that.

592
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,440
And that's basically like, I know it was like maybe 10 or 11. It's where I realized that like

593
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,440
you can do storytelling and like playing pretend for money. And I was like, this is fantastic.

594
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,320
This is like amazing. I play pretend all the time. Like all I do is like have these like long form,

595
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,920
like playing pretend games with my friends at like lunch times. We'd play over like months.

596
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,160
We'd have these worlds and stuff like that. Um, which is always fantastic. I think I was like,

597
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,880
like you want to do sci-fi. I want to do fantasy would be really fun. Yeah. It would be really

598
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,720
cool. Um, or just, yeah, like basically just be in, in any of the books that I read as a kid.

599
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:12,080
Oh, I know. Right. So yeah, I remember reading Skulldaggery Pleasant as a kid. It was like my

600
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,160
favorite book ever. I don't know if you've never heard of it. It's fantastic. There was like,

601
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,400
there's probably going to be one listener who's like, I know that book. I loved it. I was obsessed

602
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,760
with it. There was a character in it called, um, Valkyrie Kane. And she had like an illustration

603
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,640
in the front cover of what she looked like and make that look like me. Like that's me.

604
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,240
This is incredible. And I was like, well, now I have to become an actress because I'm nearly

605
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,080
at the same age that she is. And when they produce the movie, like I've got to be that. I've got to

606
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,120
be her. I was like, this has to be me. So that's when I got buckled down. They started doing drama

607
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,640
seriously in high school. I did all these other short courses in tenor and tensors if I could.

608
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,800
And I got older than Valkyrie Kane was in the books. And I was like, oh man, what do I do?

609
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,520
And this is like, by the time I'm graduating high school, like I'd done heaps of acting

610
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:03,360
in school, like musicals, plays. I always got the lead because like there was five of us in the drama

611
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,200
club and I was the one who took it seriously. I was like, I am going to be in this play.

612
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,640
I was in a small country town, so there wasn't much competition anyway. So it was very easy.

613
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,480
But yeah, I then like got to like, yeah, end of grade 12. And I was like, it's the time to

614
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,480
go to acting schools. And I was like, I have no idea what I want to do. Like I'm like, I can't do

615
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,400
this. Like I'm not, I had my first ever taste of imposter syndrome and it hit me like a truck.

616
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:32,080
I was like, I can't do this. Yeah. So I didn't do acting. I went to university because it's

617
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:37,280
what you do. And I signed up for like a creative writing course and started doing like studying

618
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,120
Shakespeare, like dramaturgy and mainly writing and like a bit of language here and then I can

619
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,920
learn Latin for a little bit, which was just painful. But really cool, really cool to learn

620
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,680
about. But I'm just like, I'm never doing that again. I would have just rather learned Spanish

621
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:56,960
or something. But yeah, so I did writing. And then something happened. I don't know what it was,

622
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:03,040
but just something in my brain turned off and all that creative, like vivid imagination that I had

623
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,160
all through my youth and stuff. I'm still young. What am I saying? Although my childhood was just

624
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,200
gone. It was so strange. And it was like this heartbreaking thing. Like I felt like this

625
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,440
numbness and I was like, this is awful. Like what do I do? So I just decided to leave it all, drop

626
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:24,880
out of uni, moved to Melbourne for four years, didn't touch like writing or like singing or

627
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,880
acting or anything. Living this very, very bland life. It was awful. I hated it. Like I look back

628
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,160
on those days and like, Jesus Christ, that was a dark time for me. And then like, yeah, basically

629
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,720
was falling more and more into the spiral. Like I've lost what it is that makes me me,

630
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,760
which is my creativity. Like everyone in my family has it. Why did mine go away? Like you ever see

631
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,960
those like things in like movies when like the heroine, she just loses her power. That's what

632
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,240
it felt. It was this awful feeling. I'm like, I can't, I don't know who I am. And my mom eventually

633
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,920
saw me like spiraling after like four years. She's like basically packed me in a suitcase,

634
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,280
took me home to the farm, chucked me in like the cottage that we have attached to the house. And

635
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,920
she's like, you're going to sit here and you're going to get your shit together. I'm like, okay.

636
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,640
Like sure. And it was again, like that same thing of like being on the farm, nothing to do.

637
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:17,280
Slowly, like all these sparks started coming back of like, I'd like I'd write a short story or I'd

638
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,120
found like my old like under Google drive, like writing folder and just found all these old things

639
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,480
in there. I'm like, oh my God, I could finish that. This is nothing else to do. Um, and eventually

640
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,080
like, I'm like, I'm getting more bigger and bigger. This itch of like the snowball rolling down this

641
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,840
hill of like creativity that's slowly coming back. And this is in Rockhampton. And I got this like,

642
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:42,080
maybe a year into like living back at home. Um, I got an email from my old drama teacher

643
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,240
from high school. Who's only like five years older than me anyway. And she's like, hey,

644
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,840
I'm like, oh, hi Jess. Oh, Mrs. Light. I don't know what to call you. Um, she's like, Jess is fine.

645
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,360
She's like, I've got this audition for this play that I wrote coming up. Would you like to be in

646
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,880
it? And I'm like, oh, why? She's like, well, because like I was your drama teacher. I know

647
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,000
you can do that. You can act. I'm like, no, that was just because it was a small class. She's like,

648
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,120
nevermind. You can act. You know what you're doing. Come do the play. Um, audition got a

649
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,280
play. It got a part, I think, because she'd written this role. She's like, this is for Rice.

650
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:16,000
Um, and it was just this weird like putting back on these boots that I hadn't touched in like

651
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,520
years. And it was fantastic. Like there was always that like, I forgot how addictive

652
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,440
it is to be on stage and have that adrenaline and like to be telling a story to an audience.

653
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,840
Like it doesn't matter. I find with my acting training now, especially being at acting school,

654
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,800
it doesn't matter how much training or work or like script analysis and all this hard work you put in.

655
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,680
If it doesn't affect the audience, it doesn't matter because it's never about you. It's always

656
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,080
about telling the story and the other person and like what the audience is seeing. It is always

657
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,520
about the story. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how good of

658
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,200
an actor you are as long as people are enjoying it and you're getting the story across. That's what

659
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,680
it's about. Yeah. And I think people forget a lot and I forgot a lot as well. It's probably how I

660
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,760
lost that creativity because I was like, I have to be the best and I want to be this like incredible,

661
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:07,840
like unstoppable force, but I forgot what the essence of it was. I mean, I think that's

662
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,840
extraordinary. It's extraordinary that you come out the other end and you're like, oh my God,

663
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,960
this is something I felt like I lacked. But particularly, I completely relate to you when

664
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,680
you have that imposter syndrome and you sort of like, oh shit, what am I actually doing?

665
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,080
Because I'm literally going through that at the moment. Particularly last week,

666
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,320
I was sort of thinking back to this year's been an absolute shocker. It was a mental shocker

667
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,800
because my partner and I moved in together and then suddenly all these sort of health related and

668
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,240
life changes happened. I was just like, keeping on top of this. I think particularly when I

669
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:49,120
started this podcast, particularly it was kind of like a reflection because there was a lockdown,

670
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,840
didn't have anything creative to do. So I created this because I couldn't go out and film.

671
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,080
And then I had to set all these projects aside and then suddenly it was like coming back to this.

672
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,600
And I was like, oh my God, what is, you know, like, and you suddenly have this machine. I was

673
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:10,240
able, like literally last year, I was able to release one episode every week for 52, 52 weeks.

674
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:15,280
This year I've not been able to do that. It's sporadic as anything, fuck. Because like I've

675
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,800
had so much happen. And I think- Life's back and you're like, oh, okay.

676
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,040
Yeah. So I think that, you know, like some interviews I've recorded months ago still need

677
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,200
to be released. And I think that, you know, while these people are awesome and they're fine for the,

678
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,120
you know, the way it is kind of like this, I think you do feel like, you know, it's like, well,

679
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,680
who was that version last year? Like, is it the imposter? Was that an imposter? Have I done

680
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,920
something wrong? No, same person, just that life has changed. So like your workload literally shifts.

681
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,920
And I think that, and I still go through this, like where I go, I haven't done enough. What is

682
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,920
my career doing? Oh, I have this argument with my partner all the time. He's like, just sit down

683
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,320
and rest. I'm like, I could be doing something else while I'm resting. He's like, no, just be.

684
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,880
I'm like, what? And that's like probably a thing that like probably keeps me most sentenced. Like

685
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,720
just thinking, like just be, just sit there. And so you get taught in acting school, like just sit in

686
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,640
the space, just breathe, look at someone else. And like, that's ridiculous, but it's such an

687
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,640
important thing to learn. Especially people like us who are creative and we want to get everything

688
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,440
done all the time. We want to create all this stuff when you just sit and be, I guess that's

689
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,800
the hardest thing to do. And yet that is sometimes like the most fascinating thing to watch someone

690
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,160
do. Yeah, I know. I think it's interesting. Yeah. And I think it was like where I learned,

691
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,560
particularly where I loved acting the most was actually observing other people going to parks.

692
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:34,720
Like when I remember, like, you know, one, um, one course of the ATYP taught me was that you just go

693
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:41,040
and observe people. And I did this, um, great Rowan Atkinson sketch, um, where he did this like

694
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,360
hell monologue. He plays the devil. Oh, the devil. Yeah. I've seen that one. So good. So good.

695
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Anyway, I did that as part of like, it was a monologue course. So we did this sort of like,

696
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,160
I picked that and all the people in the class, one of them was like, oh, there's someone who looks

697
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:00,160
exactly like your character. So we kind of stalked this to get the mannerisms, but it was so much

698
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,640
fun because we'd all find people for each other in this class. Like we'd be like, oh, try and

699
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,040
duplicate what they're doing. Cause this was like, you know, we go down to circular key. So it's like

700
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,520
massively packed. Yeah. We did a character class too. It was fascinating. It was so weird. Um,

701
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,920
but I miss, I'm, I think that's what I love about acting. And it particularly like also just what

702
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,800
we do and don't do because particularly like with voice, um, and, uh, you know, like you and I have

703
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,320
particularly emotive voices, but a lot of the time I feel like, you know, what's that rule they teach

704
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:35,200
you about acting is acting is reacting. Exactly. And I like a personal despise, I think when I meet

705
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,000
like some actors out there and like I've worked with a lot of them is particularly when actors

706
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,120
need a lot of lines. I'm like the whole point of a character might, you know, like it's like Jennifer

707
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,440
Lawrence, she was in a film once she barely had any lines for like five scenes, I think. And then

708
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,280
suddenly she had lines and it was the most impactful character. Like, you know, it's like, um,

709
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,120
you see so many famous actors who never have a line. And the point is, you know, they're in the

710
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,760
film, you see them, they're the kind of one who's just watching, observing. Well, it's like, and

711
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,760
this is like, hopefully not to spoil anything, but like House of the Dragon, have you seen that?

712
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,640
I haven't. Well, without spoiling anything, like Matt Smith's character, he's incredible. You've

713
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,560
probably seen like reviews and stuff being like he put on the most incredible performance without

714
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,600
saying a single word. And like when you do, if you watch it, I recommend you do watch it. You'll get

715
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,000
to the scene, you'll see it. And you're like, this man has told so much emotion and so much about

716
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,400
what his inner terminal and monologue is just by like his body language, his micro expressions

717
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,880
on his face. Like that's what acting is. It's like, it's reacting and listening and like everything's

718
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,240
on the other person. And like, you can find a lot of what you need to do for your performance from

719
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,640
what someone else is doing. And I find that like so fun to do. And like the moment you find yourself

720
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,680
thinking about that and doing that, you're like, Oh my God, it's bizarre. But like you like, I've

721
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,640
started doing a couple, like a lot of camera work and like, um, just self-tapes in general, like

722
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,880
watching myself react to like what my reader would say. Like they'd say something, not the way I

723
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,880
planned it to and watching my face change. I'm like, that's it. Like that's what people love to

724
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,440
watch is like that reaction. And there's thoughts behind your eyes. Yeah. That's the thoughts. You

725
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,720
want to see someone having thoughts is all you need to see. You don't want to blank canvas of

726
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,960
doing nothing. Yeah. Like I'm actively listening and that's all I'm doing. Like you, I'm clearly

727
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,640
like new when you, you try to like maintain contact, like eye contact with someone, like you're

728
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,440
listening and like, I'm paying attention to what you're saying. I'm paying attention to what you

729
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,160
say, but you've realized you haven't had a single thought in like three minutes and you haven't

730
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,880
listened to a word that the person said because you were so actively listening, but you've just

731
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,680
like blank faced them. I think I did that the other day. I was like, Oh shit. Whoops. It's,

732
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,600
it's so funny. I was laughing about it. Like, cause it's something that I did for a long time

733
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,560
in the beginning of like my acting schooling in Korea, just like, I'd be like, I'm listening

734
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,640
and this is me listening. And it was just the most boring performance in the world.

735
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,200
Like this is acting. Yeah. Just blank face staring. Yeah. Looking like ditto, the Pokemon just

736
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:58,560
staring straight faced. I love it. It's so funny to watch how that's grown and how like, yeah,

737
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,760
you're trusting myself that I know what's being like, I know what my next line is. So just

738
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,760
listening to the next person. And it's like, but even then, like when you do those, like sort of

739
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,040
just, you let go of what's going on and you listen to what's being said, you then just get to go into

740
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,640
the story yourself. And it's back to that whole idea of like, we're playing pretend. This is really

741
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,960
fun. What's going to happen next. And it's very interesting because there's certain characters

742
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,480
where like I literally, if I'm really immersed in something, I forget I'm there. Like it's,

743
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,120
it's such a weird like mentality. And it was one of those things, cause I hadn't touched acting in

744
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,800
so long. And then when I started like reading my own scripts and I was like, Oh, I've written this.

745
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,800
Like, let me give it a go. And then like, you get into that mindset of actually doing it.

746
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,880
And I think like, I, I went on, like, I went on the downward spiral, which was like stepping away

747
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,920
from acting because I suddenly had a massive stage fright. Like I literally could not get on stage

748
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,320
without having like anxiety. I was like, well, this is fucked. This is great. Why has this come

749
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,400
from? Why is this happening? And I think it was like one of those things. So I stepped to behind

750
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,080
the roles and then like what a bunch of my awesome friends encouraged me to like, you know, give bits

751
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,040
and pieces of try projects of myself. And it has helped massively because then when I watch things

752
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,320
back, I'm like, Oh, that's not me. Like that's, I see me, but I don't see me at the same time.

753
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:16,000
It's like, you don't really see your whole self. You see aspects of you because like, obviously

754
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:22,960
your physicality and everything, but like there's a lot more than just like the straight mannerisms.

755
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:29,520
And I feel like also it's, there's something about performing as well, like where you are,

756
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,480
like if you love acting, you always have like people know other actors, like you just know.

757
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,960
And I've, throughout my entire life, everyone's been like, you did acting, didn't you?

758
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,480
Yeah, you were the drama kid in school.

759
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,520
It's like, Oh fuck, I can't hide this. I can't hide this try.

760
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,880
I get that all the time. Like I'd have like lunch with my parents recently and they see me like,

761
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,280
Oh, you're so dramatic. I'm like, I'd hope so. It's my career. Like I need to be like,

762
00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:00,480
it's like, my mom's just like, Oh, you're so dramatic. I'm like, dark thoughts, dark thoughts,

763
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:08,560
murder. But no, I do, I do agree with that as well. Like, I mean, particularly like

764
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,760
film, like something you really want to go into.

765
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,760
I think so. I think probably a bit of both. Like I, I love theater. I think it's wonderful to be

766
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,120
able to do the same thing every night over and over again. I think there's such a skill in that.

767
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,280
Yeah. But film, I guess has its own, I think because it's quite new to me in my sort of

768
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,720
career of what I've done. I've only ever done sort of theater stuff. And so film is something that

769
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:35,120
I find fascinating because there is so much more like ability to create a world with obviously

770
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,120
like editing and CGI and what they do these days was like theater has its own, you can create these

771
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:44,000
worlds on stage, obviously, but there's still like a certain limitation. Like you can't have a live

772
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:50,720
CGI dragon. But film you can. This new play coming up, actually I have a secret to tell you.

773
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:56,640
We've got a dragon. I was thinking it's wicked. And you know, like the one on the stage literally

774
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,840
does it for 30 seconds and then just closes. Yeah. Like that's all we have money for.

775
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,160
Budget ran out. Exactly. And I think film is definitely something I'd love to get into. I love

776
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,440
indie film. I think that's really cool. I think it's great. And the end of films that I've seen,

777
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,040
like even those indie films that blow up and become this incredible, like, I think they're

778
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:18,640
fabulous because they have some, for some reason, just have so much more like grit and humanity to

779
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:25,440
them and honesty. Like again, like Marvel movies, fantastic, incredible, but like things, like even

780
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:33,520
like what are some like big company, like dramas. Yeah. Like, um, I use, I make, you have like things

781
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,840
like blue Valentine, which are these like devastatingly like pretty films that just

782
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,400
feel like you're watching humans go through shit or like, um, I mean they were going to,

783
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:49,280
yeah, exactly. Like Coda and like incredible films. Um, which I think, I think I'm fairly

784
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,280
independent or whatever. I'm not sure, but like Coda is, I mean, like it's interesting because

785
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:59,760
a lot of these independent films are like a run by big studios. I mean, like, um, but I do agree

786
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:05,200
with you. I think that in particular, like, um, Ty West is one who I'm watching the, um, Inkeepers

787
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,600
at the moment, which is a great indie film, really good horror, but particularly it's the way it's

788
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,240
shot. You can tell it was like, it was done on a budget. Like it was, what was that film a while

789
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:18,960
back that was filmed entirely on iPhones and it did really well at some festival. I can't remember

790
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,640
what it was, but I remember seeing, yeah. And I was like, that's fantastic. Like I love that kind

791
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,800
of thing. Like you can have these like, yeah, sort of dramas that are sort of like look like indies,

792
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,920
they're for indies, but then you see the real gritty ones that are made by people who like,

793
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:35,120
you probably know by three degrees of separation. Those are the ones that I love. Yeah. I'm looking

794
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,320
forward to it with like, yeah, like film and getting into that sort of a lot more is like

795
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,200
doing these sort of like stories that like aren't too disconnected yet by like big companies and

796
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,640
like producers and executive producers being like, no, this is going to make us more money.

797
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,480
They have a lot more freedom to what they want to make. I think it's also like there's pros and

798
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,440
cons to because like, I feel like particularly with like, you know, showmanship, like Blumhouse

799
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,600
pictures and you know, and everything, they're made on a budget, like they're made on a very tight

800
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,360
budget. So that means like everyone kind of earns a very small amount. Like you're just like, here's

801
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:11,200
your pittance. But I mean, like, I think the thing I love about the industry and particularly

802
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,400
about the indie industry is it's not about the money and how much profit that everyone independently

803
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:22,160
makes in it. It's how it's received, like how that film is received because if you love the process,

804
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:29,760
it's always like the thing of, I would love to, you know, 120, 130% on a film that I think is

805
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:37,200
great and has a good crew, has a good cast. Really everyone's pushing their best efforts and you know,

806
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:44,400
you know, you might get a sandwich like out of it. Like it's that mentality of just keep pushing

807
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:51,200
because the ones that I find are less fun and the ones that like, I find that people kind of get

808
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,080
into, and especially in this modern era, where it's going for like, oh, but you know, pay is important.

809
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,400
It's like, well, yeah, but we live in such a capitalistic society that basically like, you

810
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,560
know, it's impossible to be like poor. Exactly. Yeah. I think there's like, like you were saying

811
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:11,920
that those films where like, you know, that everyone gave their heart and soul into one,

812
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,920
they just feel different when you watch them and they mean something more. Yeah, I agree. Like I'd

813
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,120
rather watch, I'd be in something on a project like that where I've just given everything I can

814
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:25,120
and maybe had a sandwich or like a free cup of coffee, then have like this big budget film and

815
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,360
be like, I felt so detached the entire time. Because like that is what like, maybe just for

816
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,320
me personally, like my craft is like, yes, it drives me insane. And I will have like, stress

817
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,040
meltdowns like in show week, but I love it. And I will keep doing it again and again and again and

818
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,920
again. And if I don't love it that much, I'm like, I don't really want to do it. Like if it's, it's,

819
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,480
if it's not like, I'm digging my teeth into something incredible that I know that I'm a part

820
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,440
of, like, yeah, it's this weird, like fucked up macabre, like grittiness that actors have,

821
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,880
like, it's always like this obsessive love that we have for the craft, which is why we do it,

822
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,600
because like acting school is grueling. And the career itself is awful. Like you are going to be

823
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:07,200
very, very financially insecure for a very long time. What's financial security? What?

824
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,200
It's like everyone just goes, Oh, how did you afford all this gear? By not eating. Yeah. Like,

825
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:21,600
literally, 17 night shift. Like, literally, how you afford anything is just insane. And I think,

826
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:26,800
I think it's like, you know, I get everyone has an income and stuff, but it is nuts, like,

827
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:36,000
to how much the expectation, even now, it's like being 30 and trying to make stuff. It's still like,

828
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,320
you're just like, Oh my God, a lot of money has to go into this thing that I don't actually

829
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,840
have that much money. Okay. And everyone's just like, uses you as a wheelhouse to learn skills.

830
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:52,720
And while that's fantastic in some ways, it's stressing. Oh, it's the entire industry as well.

831
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,480
That everyone's like, what can you do for me with no money involved? But also I want you to teach

832
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,720
me these skills, but I'm not going to. Yeah. It's, it's this horrible cycle. We seem to be stuck in

833
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:05,200
as artists, obviously, but like, yeah, it's, everyone's just so like, chill with it. Like,

834
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,600
yeah, that's okay. Like I have to work like a 60 hour week in a bar job whilst also doing self

835
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,720
tapes and auditions and all this stuff as well. And I was like, that's normal. Yeah. Is it? I know.

836
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:19,600
And then it's like, you know, and I feel, you know, it's one of those things, cause like I work a

837
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:27,120
full time job and even then it's like, my salary does not cover anything that I actually want.

838
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:32,720
It's like, I live comfortably, but that's about the bare minimum. And I think it's like one of

839
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:38,000
those things that you basically sacrifice happiness. There's a lot of sacrificing to,

840
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,800
you know, in this industry to make something. And yeah, I think we definitely, we're the people who,

841
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,440
like we work to live, don't live to work. Like it's only way, like once we are working actors,

842
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,200
like that is everything. Yeah. And until like, yeah, you have people that are actors like,

843
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,040
or like any artist, like also watch your survival job until you like this. I'm like,

844
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,760
survival job, I think is hilarious phrase to have as an artist. Like this is what pays the bill. So

845
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,520
I can do this thing that hasn't paid me any money yet, but I really think it's cool. Yeah. And it's

846
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,400
like, it might never pay me. It might never actually. Yeah. But it's like, you know, like,

847
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:16,320
um, you know, it's, there are so many talented actors out there. And I think, um, particularly,

848
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:24,720
um, why is the name escape to me? Oh my God. He lives nearby. Wolf Creek. Oh, what's his face?

849
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,560
Not the Wolf Creek murderer guy. Oh, him. I know that when you're talking about, yeah.

850
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:37,040
Was it like the last time I haven't seen since I was like 12 characters names.

851
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:44,960
I think he is. Oh my God. But yeah, he wasn't like, he didn't do much until Wolf Creek. No,

852
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,960
he did. He did odd, odd bits and bobs. Um, uh, I live near him. He lives in the area.

853
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,800
That's something that weirded me out about moving to Sydney from a country town. Everyone's like,

854
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,440
yeah, that's like, yeah, Sam Worthington's down the road in my quiet. Yeah. But I mean,

855
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:05,600
like there's such average people, like when you see them out and about, um, and I think that

856
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,320
you, uh, when you walk around in Sydney and you see all these famous people and then you're just

857
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,520
like, hi, bye. It kind of takes a lot of the shine away from just everyone. And then you watched how

858
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,320
many jobs they actually do and how many like big budget films they do. And then they do independent

859
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:26,240
films. Like I saw Hugo weaving in a play and I'm like, I see him so often in plays. My best friend

860
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:32,160
is close family friends with him. And, um, she, like, she was telling me once like, and I had

861
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,760
already seen Samara weaving in a film, like in the babysitter and like my friend just went, oh yeah,

862
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,720
Samara is just in a film. And I'm like, you mean Samara weaving? And it's like, yeah. I was like,

863
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,480
I've seen her films and it's like, oh yeah. What'd you, what'd you think? And I was like, they're

864
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:52,880
great. All my friends at work are going, she's a mess. But it's like, it's such a disconnect

865
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,680
where you just, you don't have that realization that everyone else knows. And it's the same thing

866
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:04,000
of when I mentioned some friends and everyone's like, I know that person. I'm like, really?

867
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,560
That's so, yeah. I have a friend of mine who's in a Netflix series and it's so weird because like,

868
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,080
I've only ever known him as just like my mate. And then he's like, yeah, I did a series a while

869
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,160
back. I'm like, oh, when's it coming? I was like, who fucking knows? And it eventually came out and

870
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,160
I was like, yeah, that's just, that's just Jack. That's fine. But then like my partner met him and

871
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,960
he was like, you're the dude from that show. He's like, yeah. I'm like, what's, oh, that's what I

872
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,200
forget. You're an actor, much like I am. It's really weird. He's like, yeah, whatever. It's so

873
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,800
bizarre. Especially having like a lot of friends now, like we have like barbecues, like pies,

874
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,400
every now and then. And just all of us hanging out. So we're all so used to us being just, yeah,

875
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,160
working out. Some of us do really well. Some of us have like a lot of indie like shows and like

876
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,960
plays and TV shows, whatever that is. Then you have that one person who's clearly not part of

877
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,360
the acting scene, who's just sitting at this party freaking out. I think it is the funniest

878
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,440
thing to watch because they're like, you're in this, you're in that. And I'm like, oh yeah.

879
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,080
And I've also seen them with their head in a toilet. I've had too much tequila. I think my

880
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:06,160
favourite thing about the acting industry as well is it's very incestuous. Yeah. It's like, I think

881
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:13,600
it's always been like that. There is a list of who's slept with who, who's made out with who.

882
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,400
It is a lot. The first bit of advice I got in acting school was don't sleep together.

883
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:24,000
And I was like, oh, okay. And I've stuck to that rule. I've done really well. I think it took me

884
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,960
to like, yeah, like Evans, like wait until like just at least third year. I'm like, okay, fine.

885
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,400
But then like third year came around, we're all like, all right guys, we've done our time.

886
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,840
We can all touch each other. But yeah. And then also I think probably worked better for us is we

887
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,080
had to go into lockdown. So we're like, oh, we can't touch anyone. But it's like the thing like

888
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,440
every single year at acting school, they're like, don't sleep together yet. Just wait.

889
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,800
I know. It's very like determined. It's so funny. Like these tired teachers there with like a

890
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,360
cigarette in their hand, like please just don't. And I'm like, oh, why? And then you say, you're

891
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:56,560
like, oh my God. Yeah. And then the drama ensues. Like, um, I think it's worse when you actually

892
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:02,720
work with people. Like I, I literally worked with, um, I ended up sleeping with two people I worked

893
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:08,080
with and I was like, I don't know if that's worse. Like, I don't, I don't know if it's like, you know,

894
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:15,200
as bad as in, you know, like uni as it is in like, because when you work with people and you're all

895
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,760
employed, you're like, yeah. And then it's just like, everyone has these conversations and opinions

896
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:28,880
and you're like, but I do think that as, as performers and stuff, we very, I think we get

897
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,320
very used to like seeing each other, like especially because I think that, you know,

898
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:39,840
like they talk about, you know, um, uh, intimacy coordinators and stuff like that. But I do think

899
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,920
there's an element where we're all very comfortable, you know, depending on, but a lot of, there was a

900
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,240
lot more actors who are very comfortable with just being like, cool. What do you want them to do?

901
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,040
Okay, cool. I'll talk to this person. And you used to kind of being your own intimacy coordinator

902
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,880
until like recently. Yeah. Cause we have to be so okay with vulnerability all the time. Like that's

903
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,800
probably why we're all so like incestuous and so okay with each other. It's like, like I've seen

904
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,640
the darker sides of you in an exercise or a rehearsal room. And it's like, I feel like, yeah,

905
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:12,000
we all bond very, very quickly. Like I did the same thing with like, like the last play I did

906
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,440
before I went to acting school was like, yeah, like talking with my castmates. And we like

907
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,200
went for a glass of wine and like, it's probably our first meeting and then we're discussing

908
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,120
everything thing. So in depth, because we just have to be so available for vulnerability with

909
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,600
everyone you have. Um, didn't sleep together. She was a married woman with two children who

910
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,560
were very cute, but I was like, no, it's okay. I'll let you, she's the one who got away.

911
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,360
The only one.

912
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,960
No, she was the one actually who inspired me to go to my current acting school, which is actor

913
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,520
center Australia. Yeah. She said, you should check it out. That's where I went. And I'm like,

914
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,320
well, I think you're a good actor. So clearly that's a good thing. I was trying. Um, but yeah,

915
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,600
like that, we were just discussing it the other day, like that sort of ability and readiness to

916
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,800
be, yeah, like vulnerable. And then also to receive that vulnerability, I think is a skill

917
01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:01,840
that like specifically actors have, which is so like, I, yeah, you go, like, I know a couple of

918
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,520
lawyers in the office room and ask them to do the same thing. They'd freak out. They'd be crying,

919
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,880
throwing up and ripping their hair out. Like, no, that's horrible. Why would you do that? I'm like,

920
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,880
it's just part of the job. Yeah. I think it's also like, we just, you know, we're very kind of

921
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:21,280
throw yourself in it and, um, be ready to fail type. Yeah. And I think it's just like, you know,

922
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,680
particularly when you write, you know, when you write stories or you sort of conjure up scenes,

923
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:32,080
um, you just kind of just go and there's always talk, like I think, um, and you just go, okay,

924
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,840
well, how do you feel about this? How do you feel like that when you open the conversation,

925
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:41,440
I feel like it's the worst when people don't voice conversations though, because then I feel like,

926
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,920
you know, people just leave it to the interpretation in which case is where you fall into the negative

927
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,880
traps. Like you fall into those, no one raised an opinion. So therefore it's like, oh, but I didn't

928
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,040
consent. And so, well, you know, like, unfortunately, according to this legal document,

929
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:02,800
we signed, you said, yes. So you can't like this, I get from lawyers' perspectives and I get from

930
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,720
all these things of like, we do sign contracts, we do like agree to things, but then we've also

931
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,360
got to be upfront from the get go. And I think that like, not while you and I particularly are

932
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:19,680
very honest people, I don't think that comes naturally to all actors. It's very kind of like,

933
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:25,600
oh, I've got a barrier. And you will never like know this other side of me. And I think it's just

934
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,440
such a limiting things. Like, obviously, you can have your secrets and your privacy to certain

935
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,200
aspects of your life. That's understandable. But like, what you can be secret and private.

936
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,480
Yeah, sometimes you don't have to overshare. Like, who knew? But there's some people I've met,

937
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:44,400
like, who are just like so closed off. Yeah. And not even in like a like a mysterious way,

938
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,320
they're just impossible to talk to. Like, not even like some, like some I've met who were in

939
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,560
acting school, like you'd be like, Oh, hey, how are you? Like, I'm like, wow, you must be so fun

940
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:58,480
at parties. But I think that ability to like, obviously, like, keep yourself protected and

941
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,600
have those barriers you need. Like, I still have like certain ones that I'm like, yeah, we'll keep

942
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:07,840
that here if I need to. People who just become so like, and maybe it is shyness, or maybe it's just

943
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,800
this like, I refuse to open up, which is such a toxic thing to trap yourself in as well. Like,

944
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,400
I just I worry and I feel sorry for those kind of people. Because I'm like, what like what happened

945
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:23,120
for you to become so closed? Yeah. And then like, and even Yeah, I think with acting, and especially

946
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,320
myself as an actor, like I definitely have different little masks that I put on every day,

947
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:31,920
like I'm incredibly like, ambivert type person, like after a big day, like I love socializing,

948
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,880
but I have to then spend like a good time to like just decompress and have my space. And everyone's

949
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,720
like, Hey, can we hang out? This is not a this rose day. This is a this rose day where I need to

950
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:47,760
be inside. But like, I think I need to just touch my carpet and be on the ground. I've done a lot.

951
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,920
But I think yeah, I think acting, I love the most because it helped me to sort of

952
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,200
learn how to put on different different acts in everyday life if I need to, which is something

953
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:04,240
because I used to be like a very insecure, frantic person who would just run around and blurt,

954
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,640
like everything. Yeah, all the times I'm like, I don't know what's acceptable to say what's not,

955
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,480
how do I socialize with each group? Because I was like a very sort of not quite a social

956
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:18,240
reject in high school, but like I would mold if I have to type thing. And I think acting helped me

957
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,160
like the reason I probably loved it so much is I could put on a mask that I wanted enough until

958
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,480
I could figure out who I was and what I wanted to fit into. And once I was comfortable enough

959
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,360
and like figuring out all this behind the scenes, I could then like bring it out and be like, this

960
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,680
is who I am. I have confidence now. If I can jump on stage and pretend to be a rabbit, I can do

961
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:39,360
whatever I want type thing. Because yeah, like you've ever done an animal class. Yeah, and you're

962
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,920
like, oh, I'm pretending to be a bear shitting in a corner. I think my favorite is like doing frogs

963
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,640
and like jumping around. You can never embarrass me because I've already done to myself. Yeah,

964
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:54,320
it's like it's literally like, you know, I used to dance in public and do little grooves to music

965
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,240
in the shopping mall. I was so cool. And I did that all the time. And everyone was like,

966
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,600
aren't you embarrassed? I'm like, no, I have no shame. There's nothing you can take from me.

967
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:07,200
Yeah, it's literally like I couldn't give a shit. But I mean, like, I do agree with you as well,

968
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,160
because I completely relate to that sort of putting on a mask in high school as well. I was

969
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:18,320
like incredibly anxious and insecure. And I think in particular for me, that was what appealed to me

970
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:27,440
about acting and as well. And I think I'm going into it now as an adult. It was like, you know,

971
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:33,120
it's one of those things that creating is all I know. And it's like something I love so much.

972
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,840
So if someone was like, I'm going to take this away from you. I'd be like miserable.

973
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:43,760
Yeah, exactly. Like your world falls apart. Yeah, what is like it's I think the ability

974
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,680
that humans have in general to be able to create to put things into this world is fascinating. Like,

975
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,160
it's such a gift that we have like it's not just with like, creating art, like obviously,

976
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,520
we have people who create incredible maths equations that then get us into I know, space,

977
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,600
I don't know, maths very well. I'm assuming that's what happened. Like, we have, yeah,

978
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,440
I'm like, this is how maths works. But I just really want someone on a chart to write

979
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:12,400
maths, space, space travel down the line somewhere. Well, it's part of human nature to yet to be able

980
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:18,320
to create and stuff like that. Like, the way that humans come is from like, we create an egg that

981
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:23,840
then the little egg gets good. Yeah, that's everything we do is creating. And I think it's

982
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,720
so important that we like people who like, you have the occasional person who's like, oh, like,

983
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,440
you know, acting or like, art's not a real career. I'm like, and how like, what would you do without

984
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:38,000
the arts? Like, I mean, the Liberal government thought that and roads and transport as well.

985
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:44,960
They can all get far. Yeah, I'm much more of a labor supporter, because they at least believe

986
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:52,560
in things. They have a knowledge of many things. But it's, I do agree with that. And I think like,

987
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,560
the arts in particular, and especially just like in terms of mental health, and there was something

988
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:02,400
actually, I think I loved recently, I was listening to an audio, Dr. Adventure, it was Christopher

989
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,800
Ecclestone saying in this interview, because he had for many years, his own mental health, he stepped

990
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,120
away from the show, he stepped away, didn't want anything to do with the show for 15 years, and

991
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:16,320
then decided to come back and do audio and, and go to fan conventions. And realistically, it was

992
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,320
the fan conventions that convinced him to do the audio. So it was like, because he got all this

993
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:25,840
positive feedback of kids with their own mental health issues going, I loved you, you were my

994
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:31,200
doctor, you were this, that and the other. And as an as someone who kind of knew the cultural impact,

995
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:37,360
but then he saw it firsthand, he was like, this is amazing. Like this is, I'm giving kids who I

996
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,840
felt like when I was young, and I didn't know, and I was repressed with it. And like, I had a, you

997
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,240
know, like a great parents, but you know, I just didn't know how to deal with him myself, because

998
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:51,440
of where I grew up. Now seeing kids come into his life, and I'm like, that's fantastic. And he's so

999
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:57,520
much more enthused about life because, and it's the same, like we, I guess the thing that I always

1000
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,000
find fascinating is when we are a fan of something, and when we sort of like, hold on to that fandom,

1001
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,960
of like, whether it's, you know, Doctor Who, whether it's D&D, whether it's Pokemon, like,

1002
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,280
whether it's Harry Potter, if you cling to it, like, other than the transphobic JK,

1003
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:17,280
she's temperamental. She's awful. She's problematic. And I don't understand why she thought that

1004
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:25,280
wizards shit in their robes and their magic get away. No idea. Why? Out of all the things in a

1005
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,280
magical world you could create, that is something like, what about like a spell that can cure

1006
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:35,680
a childhood cancer? No, just wizards shit in their robes and magic get away. Good Lord, JK. Honey,

1007
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,120
the author of her own downfall. Like, I know it's great. But I mean, like, you know, this is the

1008
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:49,920
same person who wrote it on a like toilet roll and you know, so it's like the value. Oh my God.

1009
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:54,400
I just, I love it so much. And I think that, but when you're a fan of these things, like,

1010
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:59,200
you do grow up and I think it really kind of harnesses a nature and, you know, and without

1011
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:04,000
the arts, particularly in Australia, you know, like people talk about sports being the main

1012
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,360
obstacle of Australia and like, we're all celebrating sports. But I'm like, during the

1013
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:12,480
pandemic, I literally watched more TV than ever before. Well, that's the thing. Like, yeah, when

1014
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:17,120
you people are all stuck in like pandemics, like zone, like the arts were everything to you. Like,

1015
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,520
you've been to everything on Netflix and now you're begging us to create more. Like,

1016
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,120
and I think that's probably why it's probably like some of the best time to be an actor at the

1017
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,880
moment. It's like we're entering this new Renaissance of like people need content.

1018
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:34,640
Yeah. It just reminds me of that Bo Burnham song. Like I made you some content. This is just us at

1019
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,840
the moment. Everyone's like, we're so hungry for new things to go on and actors are there and like,

1020
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:43,040
and producers writers and everything. I'm like, oh shit, we need to fill this supply demand.

1021
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:48,000
Bo Burnham's incredible. I watched that towards the end of lockdown. Thank God. But I was sort

1022
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,600
of like used to it. I think if I watched it a little bit earlier, I'd be like, oh, how am I miserable?

1023
01:10:52,800 --> 01:11:01,920
This is me. Yeah. I love it. I thought that was a fantastic. Yeah. Just amazing show. I think it

1024
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,080
was very funny. Had this like, yeah, incredible. Like the welcome to the internet song I thought

1025
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:11,040
was so good. It's just a bouncy fun song, but full of so many dark lyrics, I think, which was

1026
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,680
my entire mentality during lockdown. Like I was slowly losing my mind with streamers going around

1027
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:20,400
my head. Like that was entirely, I'm like, I'm going to write a short film or I started writing

1028
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:26,000
a novel in lockdown because I was like, I've got nothing else to do. I started, I got to the novel

1029
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,560
because I'd had like a wine subscription with my housemate. We tried that. I'm like, I'm bored of

1030
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,720
wine now. I'm going to draw a comic book. I'm like, I'm bored of that. I'm going to write a novel.

1031
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:39,120
And I started writing it and it's just sitting there. I'm about like a book and a half in now.

1032
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:45,600
So it's a saga of plans. Oh, sorry. I was wondering, it's like you said novel, sorry, novels.

1033
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,760
I've written the first novel and then I started the second one. I'm like, how did I get, like,

1034
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:55,680
where is this like obsessive hyper-focused creativity now? But it's, it's, that's the

1035
01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:00,240
weirdest thing. I've got so many like intrigued things about your mind that I'm posting up.

1036
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:05,280
If I can't do things, like I have to be, yeah, I have to be creative. I cannot think and sit still

1037
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,680
with my own thoughts. Otherwise I think my brain would explode because I'd have all these ideas.

1038
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,440
Yeah. It sort of leaks out of your eyes. Yeah. Like I need to do something with this,

1039
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,720
which is awful. Yeah. If I don't, I'll start writing a horrible book like JK Rowling,

1040
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,560
which I don't know what happened. I turned to dark shadow Rose. I'm like, oh no.

1041
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,640
What do you mean? You make three fantastic beast films and you suddenly realize you're a seller.

1042
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,440
How can I milk this? I mean, also though, The Cursed Child,

1043
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:36,880
someone told me to watch that before they told me it was shit. I haven't seen it. Is it really?

1044
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:44,160
I've heard very mixed reviews. It's just, it's fanfic. It's really fanfic. And I think also,

1045
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:50,320
I love the Harry Potter books. Actually, like we, we binge watched all the movies not that long ago

1046
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:57,120
and the first, the first four are great. The first four are fantastic. Love them. Um, the more they

1047
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:02,400
get depressing and dark, the less exciting they are. I think they just get too real.

1048
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,600
Like, yeah, you're like, no, with the wizards who ship their robes, like bring them back.

1049
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:11,440
And I just think that also it was one of those film franchises that had so many different directors

1050
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:15,280
that yeah, I didn't notice that, which I found really weird and just, yeah.

1051
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,520
Cause the moment David Yates took over, he's just directed it ever since. Like he has been the

1052
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:24,720
primary director of Harry Potter now, but yeah, like when we were watching Fantastic Beasts and

1053
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,720
I was like, all right, we're going to just watch the first one and the rest of them suck. Like,

1054
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,000
and it's the only one I own. Cause I watched the second one and I was like, oh yeah, this is

1055
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,120
Johnny Depp just talking about war for two hours. And then the third one I haven't even seen. And

1056
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,080
it's just Matt Mickelson just doing the same shit. Yeah. I haven't seen the third one. And I'm like,

1057
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,920
I quite enjoyed the first one. I thought it was quite quirky. And my guess is pretty like

1058
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,560
cool. Like the spin-off that's very, very interesting that they've done well and sort

1059
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,880
of keeping that sort of essence of what the maybe like the second, like the third and fourth film

1060
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:58,080
sort of had. But do you, do you realize how little plot it actually has? Yes. And I was like,

1061
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:04,880
give me the cool animals. They're groovy. It's like literally just, just Eddie Redmayne as Newt

1062
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,200
is just going around town and just going, I'm saving the animals. I'm doing weird dances.

1063
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:17,040
It's planet earth for wizards. And I think, yeah, just like watching it now and then like

1064
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,360
watching it when it tries to be a serious like reflection of world war two.

1065
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,520
And like, no, you make the talking little platypus thing.

1066
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,240
No, I don't give a shit. Like, yeah, give me the cute thing.

1067
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:32,800
And I think, yeah, it's just, it's also just, I guess, a testament of them trying to hold on

1068
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:37,440
to nostalgia because the first film came out into that, like, I think that's the thing I love and

1069
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:41,360
hate about nostalgia at the moment, particularly because we are so overmelted at the moment.

1070
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:47,680
Yeah. And I was just like, I was, I particularly, I love, I loved the first season of Stranger

1071
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:55,520
Things. And I am less of a fan the longer it's going on. And the reason is because when you sort

1072
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,560
of have a prime thing, especially like Stranger Things, where it starts off really well and it's

1073
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,320
really strong and all the way through and it has really kind of a first season narrative close.

1074
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,800
And that's it. Like you don't really need a second season to explain more. You could just be like

1075
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,880
ambiguous ending called. Which is always really fun and really interesting because the imagination

1076
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,960
is so much more powerful than anything you can write down. Like, yeah, but then I feel like it's

1077
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:22,160
relied too heavily on the actor's cuteness. And then now that they're not cute, some of them cannot

1078
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:29,440
act. I know that most people say, who are these lanky string beans? And I just think that also,

1079
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:36,560
like, I think it's trying to be a show which is darker. And then, you know, like, my cousins,

1080
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:42,960
and I think like one of my cousin's kids who's non-binary, they, they had like 12 and they're

1081
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,200
just like watching it. And I'm like, how are you watching this at 12? Like literally half of the

1082
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,040
people are just getting ripped apart. And you're like, you have, you're fucked in the head.

1083
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,640
So desensitized. Yeah. Oh my God. But I remember watching that when I was like little, and I was

1084
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,760
like, oh my God, this is fucking terrifying. But you don't, you don't get that level. And I think

1085
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:07,920
like content with it, like I, I, you know, like we talk about creating stuff, but I feel like that

1086
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,120
stuff is wholly based on nostalgia. And that's like what, you know, like with Disney live action

1087
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:17,600
remakes and everything, everything is just going back to this nostalgia. Like I, and have you noticed

1088
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:23,360
like every show is, you know, like there was a great queer show that came out on Amazon prime

1089
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:28,800
called paper girls and it's a literally an independent show, not done and everyone compared

1090
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,240
it to Stranger Things. Someone they travel into the future. I mean, yeah, that's on my list. It looks

1091
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:37,280
really good. And they canceled it after one season. What? Because everyone compared it to Stranger

1092
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:41,040
Things. I was like, this is the teenagers on bikes. It's teenagers on bikes. They live in the 80s.

1093
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:46,400
And it was really, was it not a thing like Stranger Things? It's just it. Yeah. And it's just like,

1094
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:51,120
it shits me because that when new shows and good content, especially like queer content, which,

1095
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:56,160
yeah, you know, like Stranger Things, I'm sorry. It's not that queer. It's queer baiting. It's

1096
01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:02,640
queer baiting, but Maya Hawke is the only and honestly gorgeous, very queer. I secretly think

1097
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,760
she's very gay. Is she not gay? I know. I don't think she is. I think she's bi. She's got to be

1098
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,920
bi. Yeah. Cause there is, there is too many like where the parents work. We can tell.

1099
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:20,640
Yeah. She's so gay. But I mean, like, yeah, I, I watch it and I just go, yeah, this is not,

1100
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:25,600
this is fun, but this is not kind of opening up, but like, there's no like awakening. And I feel

1101
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,960
like a lot of it actually tends to, you know, not actually be that clever writing. It kind of writes

1102
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:35,840
you into narrative holes. And then, um, I find like with paper girls and especially like Harry,

1103
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:40,000
you know, like Harry Potter didn't have a lot of, you know, like Dumbledore was gay apparently,

1104
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,320
but you know, not until years later. And he's really not like in the original series, he was

1105
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:49,920
not gay at all. Like it was just some old creepy dude telling Harry what to do. But I feel like

1106
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:56,160
with, you know, things we're trying to, you know, like modern, um, modern shows are actually much

1107
01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:01,440
better at like identifying people as queer and not being a prominent aspect of who they are.

1108
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:07,600
There's something I love about just, um, like just watching a queer film or queer story, we're just,

1109
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,520
it's just, that's not that, yeah, their main thing. Like just they have nice things happen.

1110
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,440
Like it's just generally like, it's just, it's like, like they're the same as their name. That

1111
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:19,120
just happens to be who they are. It's fine. I just, I need to see more of that. I think it's

1112
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:24,160
not enough of it. Like I'm so sick of seeing film and television. Like, oh, they're queer and that's

1113
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:28,160
the hardest thing in their life. And I'm like, well, we know, like, was that, that's like,

1114
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,520
sometimes we want to go watch a film or a movie or something like that and have that sort of

1115
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,600
level of escapism where we don't have to be completely like reflected with what's going on

1116
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:41,120
in our current lives. Um, but yeah, it's just fun to watch it. I mean, queer, that's cool.

1117
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:45,120
Yeah, nothing bad happened. No one got hate-crimed for fuck's sake. Like it's fantastic.

1118
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:51,280
It's like no one got shunned for them. But it was like the same, I think what I loved particularly,

1119
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:57,120
I don't know if you've seen Umbrella Academy, which I love Umbrella Academy and season three,

1120
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:02,080
like season three just built on season two. But I do love that when Vanya became Victor

1121
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:07,920
and that transition was just so flawless. It was just like a conversation. Okay. And all the

1122
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,360
siblings were like, yeah, whatever. Cool. Let's move on. Like we've got actual shit to do.

1123
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:18,080
There are more important things. And then the name was never dropped. And I was like,

1124
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,560
I was like, this is the most important thing. And I also particularly liked the relation

1125
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:28,480
that Victor had with Alison because then that built on, uh, you know, essentially the problem

1126
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:34,080
with being trans wasn't the issue as the problem was like, you know, Alison's life being taken away.

1127
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,560
But Victor was kind of like confused as well as like, what have I done wrong? Is it this,

1128
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:43,760
is it that? What like, and there's a whole identity crisis as well going on. And so he's going

1129
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:48,960
through his own inner turmoil. And I love that because you had that sibling, you know, um,

1130
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:54,800
like rivalry develop out of it. And I think the shot, like it's just, it's very clear cut,

1131
01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:00,320
like show it, it really doesn't like push an agenda. It just pushes how people feel.

1132
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:05,920
Yeah. And that's what I love about it because when you, when shows, particularly like as

1133
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:13,120
performers and writers and actors, we don't always want to push an agenda. No, not at all. It's like,

1134
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,800
yeah, I think it's so fun to watch it. Like umbrella Academy works so well because all these

1135
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,040
people, these actors are just so truthful within their given circumstances, which is like what the

1136
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:27,680
world is ending. They're so human and so like, they play siblings so well. I think it's so funny

1137
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,880
to watch them all bickering away whilst also like having these incredible things happen. And like,

1138
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,760
there's nothing worse than like, you're putting a play on your bike. It's about the oppression

1139
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:40,320
and you're like, Oh, how do we like do this in that way? Like you have to like, it's,

1140
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:45,360
it's not just fun to make art for art. Like it's great. Like we, I just did a play Cloud Nine by

1141
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,840
Carol Churchill, which has like a lot of different topics in it. Like we have like gender identity,

1142
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:55,360
like the patriarchy and like what it's done to like modern gender identity and stuff like that.

1143
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:02,160
And like queer relationships or like how, like a character I played, how like she's escaped this

1144
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:07,360
very, very like awfully oppressive patriarchal marriage and now she's on her own and how she

1145
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:12,000
like has to figure out who she is without a man and like what her self worth is. Is it all about

1146
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:18,320
us discovering yourself? There's no sort of like specific ending or specific point or like thing

1147
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,480
that we're trying to press or like prove with this play. It's just about these topics. And then

1148
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:27,920
these are things that pop up. Like there's like a gay relationship, which then like turns into a

1149
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,200
trans relationship. Like it's always interesting things. Like one character comes out as trans,

1150
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,840
halfway through and nothing sort of said, it's just like, okay, cool. That's, that's that character

1151
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,680
now. Cool. And it's all these different things. This play was written in the seventies and it was

1152
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:47,280
amazing that it's still so important today and so relevant today. And I think, yeah, like afterwards

1153
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,720
I was outside and like talking to everyone after the show. I'm like, Hey, how are you? Like, what

1154
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,320
was it about? I'm like, what do you think it was about? And they're like, Oh, this is not, I'm like,

1155
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,840
that's it. Cool. Like that's what showed out to you. That's important. That's what it's for.

1156
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,240
And I think, yeah, like I love theater. That's like, hasn't got like a big point, but it has

1157
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,840
people asking questions and talking afterwards. That's what's there for. I think it's like,

1158
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,840
what's really important for is like, yeah, getting people to address these things and have

1159
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,800
conversations with themselves and like other people be like, what do you think it was? And

1160
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,840
that's sort of how you get that sort of cycle of creation is like sort of how do we better understand

1161
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:22,240
these things. If you saw that and then I saw this in it, like, why didn't we see, I think it's

1162
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:26,720
interesting. I think, I think a hundred percent. And I feel like a lot of people kind of forget

1163
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:32,480
that, you know, like when they watch, when you watch plays and you go like, and you just kind

1164
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:36,320
of see it from a subjective point of view and like, Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Like interesting

1165
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:41,200
lighting. Yeah. Yeah. That was like two hours of my time that I really liked. Yeah, exactly.

1166
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:46,560
But then I think subjective like in internally in the, in the structure of it. Yeah, I do agree.

1167
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,960
And I love the fact that plays do last the testament of time. Like, you know, it just

1168
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,240
Charles Churchill's, especially one of those writers who just has the effect that ability to

1169
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:58,560
write things that are so important. Well, it's like, um, uh, particularly like Margaret Atwood,

1170
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:04,160
um, and she's just written so many like, uh, stellar books. Um, and you know, like the hand

1171
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:08,480
mounds tale is particularly one of it, but, um, you know, it's interesting as well, because I was

1172
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:13,600
thinking that way. Um, and I just think that particularly with women's, women's issues and,

1173
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:18,320
and the political turnbuck, everyone, the moment like Trump was elected, everyone just thought of

1174
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,960
that with the hand laser. Yeah. It was like, it was so relevant. It wasn't like this thing in the

1175
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,840
past or this thing in the future. It was like such a relevant time. And I think, um, you know, a lot

1176
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:34,000
of those things that we sort of think are really, um, you know, like, um, you know, like, um, you

1177
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:41,920
know, abuse or like, um, sexual discrimination or identity and everything like, and, uh, you know,

1178
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:46,800
it's so non-tulant the processed in these sort of plays that people write. They're like so many

1179
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:53,520
years ago. I literally watched, what was it? Um, gaslight, the movie, the 1944 gaslight movie.

1180
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:59,360
Yeah. Great film. And you watch it and you just go, actually this is fucked because so many levels

1181
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,440
of that fan. I recommend anyone go and watch it because it's one of those films that when you do

1182
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:09,760
watch it, you're like, well, how the hell was this like, you know, this is so forward thinking in the

1183
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:15,200
terms of the women coming out the forefront and she's the, she actually wins this. She didn't lose

1184
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:20,880
and he's the villain. And it's just so well done comparatively to when it was in a time when men

1185
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:26,080
were normally the heroes. And I was like, this is a clever play. And I just even thought when I was

1186
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,320
watching it, I was like, how is this play, you know, like written in like, and it was written

1187
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:34,800
in the 18, like 1910s, like it was that long ago. It's like the doll's house by Ibsen as well. Like

1188
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,840
these days, like obviously it isn't quite as shocking because she leaves at the end, but like

1189
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,200
back then everyone's like, she, like, how does she leave the children? But now we're like, yeah,

1190
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,160
good for her. Which is, I think especially plays like that, that was so progressive for their time.

1191
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:50,480
And so it's so funny to watch them not become shocking anymore and how to properly put them on.

1192
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:53,440
Like, how do I have this play about this woman who's like stuck in this horrible marriage who then

1193
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:59,360
leaves? Like, how do I have that same shock factor? I was discussing the day after like doing this

1194
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,880
Carol Churchill play. I'm like, what's another play that was written way above its time is yeah,

1195
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:07,440
like the doll's house. Incredible. I think it was wonderful. And it's yeah, it's so interesting to

1196
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:11,600
watch it because obviously it's still like a fantastic play and the ending still like, oh cool,

1197
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,440
completely different reaction from what it was when it was originally. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's

1198
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:19,840
just, yeah, so interesting. And like, it makes me, cause it's yet Ibsen written by man and then

1199
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:25,280
it's like, oh, what? Like it's such a, I wonder. Yeah. Like in a way, like, cause obviously art

1200
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:29,680
sometimes in creating is like people's way of processing certain things. I wonder what like

1201
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,600
things were going on underneath in the writing of these plays. Yeah. I think, I think a lot of it

1202
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,760
comes to just not feeling like you're actually a part of your own time. And I think a lot of these,

1203
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:45,440
I also think a lot of these writers probably had very difficult times actually in their own lives

1204
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:51,600
when they were alive, um, writing these plays and putting them on and getting shunned probably,

1205
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,280
even though they were probably well received, they would get the other side of the coin,

1206
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,040
which was people get, you know, cause it's so common even to this day where you sort of read

1207
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,600
articles of like, how dare we sort of push an agenda. And it's like, we still literally just

1208
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:08,400
talked about like not liking to push agendas, but like, even if you do it subtly, like you're like,

1209
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:12,960
oh, these characters are gay. Like, and, and suddenly there will be in a turmoil or like,

1210
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:18,240
you know, like, um, and I think, you know, and I, as much as I love the community,

1211
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:23,120
like the queer community, there was a lot of inner turmoil within it. Absolutely. And you know,

1212
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:27,840
and it like, you would probably encounter this as well, but you know, being a bisexual, it's just,

1213
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:32,240
there was a lot of bi erasure. Bi erasure and like the bisexual versus pansexual thing. I think it's

1214
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:37,840
ridiculous. But yeah, bi erasure I think is something I just, it's so silly. It's so, cause

1215
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,440
I was like, it's a phase. I'm like, well, what a wonderful phase to have. Discover yourself though.

1216
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:46,480
Like it's, yeah. Just to utilize it. Yeah, exactly. And I think I was, yeah, I love the idea of like,

1217
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:51,200
someone saying something's a phase. I'm like, well, you should have many phases in your life anyway.

1218
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:55,600
Like even if it is a phase or if it is like, just, this is your sexuality. Like you could have a

1219
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,960
phase where you're interested into like classical music or a phase where you only eat broccoli.

1220
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,960
Like that's just part of what you are. And like, I think using that as an insult is the dumbest

1221
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:08,720
thing. Yeah. It's yeah. But I think, yeah, definitely bi erasure is ridiculous. Yeah. And

1222
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:13,840
it doesn't make any sense. Like, did you, did you ever feel like that was kind of something that,

1223
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:18,160
you know, people try and attack you with as well? Well, I didn't know I was bisexual because I didn't

1224
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:24,320
know it was a thing until I was maybe like 17 or 18. I get popped up on Tumblr and I was like,

1225
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:30,880
what? Cause yeah, I think it was, I think it was something horrific, like some Hobbit fan fiction

1226
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:37,120
or something. And I, and I was like, what a way to discover a sexuality. To be like, there's a word

1227
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:42,320
for this. And it's in the Hobbit. Yeah. It was like, yeah. Someone was writing some Frodo, no,

1228
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:47,440
Bill way Baggins fan fiction where he was, I don't know, sleeping with a woman and then one of the

1229
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:51,840
dwarves and he's like, yeah, bisexual fans. I'm like, what is this? What is, what is, what is

1230
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:58,640
Bill way up to? I'm pretty sure that Bill was just interspecies. Bill was just a monster.

1231
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:06,480
Oh my God. Yeah. Photo watch out.

1232
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:19,440
Oh my God. He's got it somewhere. Yeah. No, like finding bisexuality. Like I didn't know it was a

1233
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:24,400
thing. Like people would be like, oh yeah. Like they're doing like, I remember like it was maybe

1234
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,640
like I, my early teens were doing like when like American pie was huge and everyone's like, it's

1235
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,160
like their sexy phase. Like girls go through that phase where they like to make out with other girls.

1236
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:36,320
And I'm like, cause it's fun and it's awesome. And it was like the best feeling in the world.

1237
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,280
Yeah. I'm like, have you not kissed a guy? Like why the fuck would we not be kissing girls? Like

1238
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:46,320
girls are amazing. Um, and I guess boys are there, but like, I was like, really cool. Um,

1239
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,920
my poor boyfriend, he's so patient. He's like, this is my girlfriend and my girlfriend's wife.

1240
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,160
Um, it was like me and my best friend. He's like, I'm just here to be, yeah, I'm happy.

1241
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,080
I mean, I mean like, you know, when that scale of everyone's like, how like bi are you?

1242
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:03,040
Yeah. How much percentage? Yeah. I'm literally goes with seasons. It really does.

1243
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:07,360
It depends. Like if they look what they can kill me, I'm down. Like I'm down bad.

1244
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,920
You're just like, if they can murder my soul.

1245
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,600
Exactly. If they look like a vampire or a werewolf or someone, like maybe a pirate. I'm like,

1246
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:22,160
what is up? Like how are we? That is my type. My type is like the roguish romance interest from

1247
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:27,760
like some shitty smart book. I'm like, that is, oh man, woman in between. How realistically is

1248
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:32,640
this being with the partners you've had? Oh, recently pretty good. Like my current partner,

1249
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:37,280
Hugo, love him so much. He looks like this werewolf mixed pirate man. Like he has like earrings,

1250
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,840
pale necklaces, beautiful rings. Like his shirt's always just too many buttons undone and he floats

1251
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:47,440
into a room. And I'm like, that one, that one him. It's just very funny. Like friends of me,

1252
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:51,600
they're like, you're dating a pirate. I'm like, yeah, I'm so happy about it.

1253
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:59,120
Cause he just sees his hair like really tall. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sweating. I've knocked my

1254
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:04,000
mic. Really tall, really like a hairy man. And I'm like, oh my God. Wow.

1255
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,920
Did you literally like faint when you first saw him?

1256
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:15,760
No, I was, I was so like, I, I'm really bad at like not knowing how to like handle with like,

1257
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:20,960
so I just clenched my jaw really hard and he was like, hi. I'm like, sup.

1258
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:29,840
I was really standoffish as I didn't know how to handle what I was feeling, which was lust,

1259
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,520
but I didn't know that. I was like, oh my God. Like, I don't know if I want to be with you or

1260
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:39,120
be you. Like you're such a cool looking person. Um, yeah, eventually we started dating. Finally,

1261
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,560
like I eventually got the balls to ask him out and be like, I'm going to be, I was 12 to hear the

1262
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:48,240
shots. David, I mean, I want to be your girlfriend. He's like, yeah, cool. I'm like, oh, okay. Cool.

1263
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:53,680
Fantastic. And then the shy Rose comes out and you're like, fuck. I was like, what have I done?

1264
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,920
That's quite wholesome though. It's very, it were, yeah, a very wholesome,

1265
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:05,600
compared to the chaos of each of our individual lives. Like we're very awesome people as a couple

1266
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:10,480
despite like how we first like handled each other's like attraction to each other. Like

1267
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:14,320
to this day, he still gets quite like, I swear if he was an anime character, he'd have like the

1268
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:19,200
bursting nose bleed like of just like freaking out at his girlfriend all the time. Cause he's like,

1269
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:24,240
oh my God, she's really pretty. I'm like, we're literally dating. He's like, what? It's fantastic.

1270
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,760
It's really humbling. Um, it's sweet. We keep each other humble. So we forget that like

1271
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,600
we're dating. We're like this, that man over there, what's up? How are you doing? He's like,

1272
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:38,160
hi honey. I'm like, me honey. Oh, that's great. That's deep level attraction. Right. Yeah. I

1273
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,000
think we just, yeah, we fan girl over each other all the time. It's fantastic. Yeah.

1274
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,400
What I'm actually sensing is a lot of lust as you say.

1275
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:52,000
We definitely keep the love alive by like just being just so damn bad for each other.

1276
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:58,240
That we're like really cool. And because it took us so long to figure out like, like it took me so

1277
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:02,080
long to ask, like it, yeah, just must stop the car, just ask him out. Like it was like a good,

1278
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:07,120
like maybe a year of like courting and long glances and like sort of like, I don't know

1279
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,720
if you like me like that one. Each of us a little like screaming into our pillows being like, they're

1280
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:16,240
so hot. And then we figured it out eventually. And so now it's like this really nice relationship

1281
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:22,400
of just like two goblins in trench coats running around. I love that. Yeah. It's sweet.

1282
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:30,080
So if anyone wants to go to this backwards reality, I just feel like it's like I've literally

1283
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:34,800
been watching X-Files the last few weeks. So all I'm imagining is you and your partner just like

1284
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:40,480
walking around in the street and just being like the aliens. Okay. It's like, okay.

1285
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:40,980
Hey.

1286
01:32:40,980 --> 01:32:43,760
Cause the best they told me to stand out like weirdos.

1287
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:51,440
Oh my God. Um, I do want to wrap this up before, um, before I do though, I want to talk a little

1288
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:57,760
bit about social media. Um, and your thoughts in a minute, are you an active social person or

1289
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:02,320
are you terrible? I think I am. I enjoy it. I guess fun. Like I know a lot of people who get

1290
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,960
really anxious about like my sister is like riddled with anxiety towards social media. I,

1291
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:11,920
not so much. I love it. I think it's really fun. Um, I guess it's a great way to sort of get in

1292
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,480
touch with people because I have a lot of friends who like international or like you said earlier,

1293
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:17,440
like, yeah, we have like a lot of Facebook friends we don't know, but we think are really

1294
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:22,560
interesting. Like it's just a way to connect more with people. And I think, yeah, I just love it.

1295
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,440
I think it's great. I think it's like, I obviously waste spend way too much screen time. Um, but yeah,

1296
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:31,280
I'm like, yeah, right here. But like all my like Instagram feed is like duck videos and like

1297
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:36,720
aesthetic cottage core places. And I'm like, I think it's great because you can sort of feed these

1298
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:43,440
interests you have like all the time. You can keep that. Yeah. Um, I don't use Facebook too much

1299
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:48,640
because it's just getting a bit too like people. I went to high school with having kids and getting

1300
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,920
married and like all these moms and like, it's getting a bit too Sharon for me. And I'm like,

1301
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,280
no, just back to you. I mainly get Instagram person or a tick tock. I watch tick tock way too

1302
01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:00,960
much. Oh my God. But yeah, social media. I can't help you there. There's a therapy session. I

1303
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:07,120
love it. I think it's so funny. And I think especially after like lockdown, it was like how

1304
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:11,520
people like had their access to the world was like through social media. Um, so I think, I think it's

1305
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:17,040
a very powerful thing. I have to be careful with it because it's, it can be very, very dangerous.

1306
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,600
Like I remember when I was a kid watching horrible videos on YouTube that just have mentally scarred

1307
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:28,800
me for years. Like there's so many out there that like the deep web. Yeah. Like the Reddit and it's

1308
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:33,520
prime days. Oh my God. Yes. So many horrific videos. I'm like, okay, that's going to leave a

1309
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,760
mark. Do you remember that webpage? Actually the one I remember, which was if you keep scrolling,

1310
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:43,040
you saw worse and worse images. Yeah. And I remember I got to public image five and it was

1311
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:49,760
like some guy dead on the head. Yeah. I was like, I was like, this is childhood. Exactly. I'm like,

1312
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:53,840
yeah, what was your, like watching horrific videos on the internet? Like, yes, I'm being beheaded

1313
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:59,760
or like, oh, there's so many other like to trigger an entire generation. The two girls, one cup meme.

1314
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:06,320
Do you remember that? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I, it's like the depths of like the internet. I'm like,

1315
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:11,200
how did I get here? And why did someone let me get there? It was an arm blue waffle. Oh yeah. That

1316
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,720
was another horrible one. Yeah. Like you just sit there in the computer labs, like Google this. And

1317
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,360
then the teacher would be like, what are you looking at? You're like, Oh my God, no, my friend

1318
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:23,760
told me to look at it. It's just like, so horrifying. You sit there like late at night and you're like,

1319
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:28,560
Oh God, what have I done? How do I erase the history? Am I going to die in your sleep?

1320
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,960
Are my parents going to know? Oh, the worst ones were the emails that you're mysterious. Yeah. And

1321
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:37,040
if you don't respond to some killer thing is going to get you. Those were the old days of social

1322
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,960
media. That was just so much more threatening. Now these days, I'm like, that's a really cute fluffy

1323
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:46,400
cow. But like I was there in the dark days. I remember it. Like the email change that would

1324
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:51,280
go around. Oh, they were hilarious. I just feel like everyone now is missing out on what was good

1325
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:56,320
child. I'm like some kids haven't seen the exorcist face run towards them really fast.

1326
01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:00,640
Like after playing a maze game or something, or like, do you remember that video of like the car

1327
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,800
driving down like a windy road and then there was this massive like jump scare zombie that jumped

1328
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:10,080
up. Yeah. Yeah. I just like, there ain't that shit around anymore. And I think people need to see it

1329
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:14,640
a lot more. I feel like people need to be broken. Yeah. I think people aren't quite traumatized

1330
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,480
enough anymore. They need to know how dangerous the internet is. This is how you get reminded.

1331
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:23,040
Yeah. And then when you got into the real world, like I have never fallen for a scam because I know

1332
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:29,280
what to look for. Cause I know how hard it was. Like I can recognize a chain email now. It's fine.

1333
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,560
Especially recognize emails that are sending them from my own account.

1334
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:37,920
You know, like when they, they'd say like it's from you and it's like, how's this work?

1335
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:46,640
Um, but I'm going to wrap it up here. Uh, Rose, I'm going to get you to tell everyone on the

1336
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:52,480
internet, um, where they can find you and where they can stalk you. Yes. Okay. So you can,

1337
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:58,320
like, what is my Instagram name? You can find me on Instagram. Um, my name is Rosalini underscore

1338
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:06,080
tortellini. I think yes. That is my Instagram. Um, of all my acting endeavors and memes that I share

1339
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:15,440
at midnight after hours of not sleeping. It's a fun time. Yeah. I love it. Go and follow her on

1340
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:19,840
Instagram. Is it like, it's a public account? Yeah, it is. Absolutely. Yeah. You'll see updates on

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all my shows and stuff that I do. And then the occasional wine dinner. Look at me. I'm drinking

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fancy wine and then I can give you one recommendations if you want. So yeah, ask, ask one advice.

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Yeah. No, that was the thing. Yeah. No, I'm just tired of working as a, on the wine team at work.

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Very exciting. Yeah. I'll ask you all the opinions then. Cause I have a wine. I have a wine subscription.

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Oh, do you use good per days? Yeah. I really like them. They're really cool. They are delicious.

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I like the freebies that you get. Yeah. More toys and treats. But then sometimes they send

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you the same one. You're like, I already have this. I need another Esky. It's like, this is useless to

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me. Um, but thank you so much for joining. Thank you for having me for this just chaotic discussion.

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It's been a chaotic hour and I loved every minute of it. Um, if you want to go and listen to more

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chaotic interviews that I've done in the past, please go and check them out on Apple and Spotify.

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I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later. Goodbye.