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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film, life, television, culture, mental

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health and all of that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend, Freya Moore.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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How are you?

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Yeah, not bad.

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You know.

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Just, just living the, living life.

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Oh yeah.

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Every day.

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Um, so Freya, for the people of the internet, the wonderful people, you know, not just friends

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and family, people who don't know you.

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Tell everyone on the internet who you are and what you do.

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I am an actor and performer and I don't want to say artist because that's kind of cringey.

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Um, I don't know, I sing, I act, I don't dance.

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I love to be on stage.

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Um, and I just finished studying acting at NIDA.

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Um, so obviously I work in retail.

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Um.

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You're selling the highest really.

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Yeah.

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It's really great.

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No, I've been busy.

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It's good.

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Um, but yeah, I'd say I'm primarily an actor.

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Yeah.

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You've said, you, you're kind of a little bit of an entrepreneur though.

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Oh.

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In some ways, have you seen your, like your, your profiles?

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You're like, oh, from an outwards perspective, yeah, I guess.

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Um, do you, do you see, I guess the, the, that you sort of perceive you like as an outward

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perspective that people can consider you were quite a serious kind of actor kind of person

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and performer and stuff, or is it kind of still a bit all new?

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I think, I mean, I've been doing it for a while.

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I wouldn't say I've been doing it professionally for a while.

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I wouldn't say that I was professional until I got my qualification.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's a fair statement.

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Um, but I've just been like doing it since then.

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I'm still young and you kind of, you need to have an amount of maturity and professionalism

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to work in this kind of industry when you are young.

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Otherwise you will get stomped on.

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And eaten.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Have you, have you sort of felt that already?

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Like in just in the last few years of doing stuff?

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Felt what specifically?

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Yeah, like the feeling of being stomped on or?

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I mean, sometimes, um, but like every experience you kind of learn from and you know, you figure

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out ways that maybe you could have handled things better or you start to recognise where

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people treat people differently and where work relationship changes and evolves.

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Cause I guess that must be in the sort of back corner of your mind constantly to be

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like, okay, this has to be a work relationship and this can't be like anything more.

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Like are you constantly very vigilant of, you know, that whole separation of work and

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life outside?

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I mean, I, I think it's hard because it, I tend to, I mean, I think most people do tend

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to get quite close with cast mates and stuff because you spend so much time together and

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what you're doing is generally speaking, very vulnerable.

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Um, and you know, obviously just in life, you get along with some people more than others.

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Um, but I think it's more so, you know, like putting your foot down when you are not happy

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with something and just kind of like being like, I don't, I know we're friends, um,

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but like we still need to be professional and that means speaking to people in a certain

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way and not kind of expecting things of others.

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And yeah, I don't know if that makes sense.

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That does make sense.

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I mean, you, we walk a fine line with this industry in particular, because it is very

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easy to make friends, but it's also very easy to make enemies.

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I mean, like, um, it's very much wax I'm weighing.

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I mean, have you sort of encountered that, you know, where people have kind of come into

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your life and then, you know, or, you know, performance wise gone and said horrible things

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about you or anything like that, that sort of spoiled an experience for you?

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I've never really experienced criticism.

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you know, hearing about like things that are said about me.

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Um, or like hearing about this is probably cause they've never just got back to me.

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Um, but I definitely have had experiences and I'm like, okay, I'm glad it's over.

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Like, I'm glad it happened because I learned from it, but, you know, it's not necessarily

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an environment that I want to hang on to.

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And I can be content with that.

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And then there's others that I just like, feel almost like homesick about that.

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I'm like, I just wish I was like back in the green room with that cast and we were doing

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the show again.

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Um, and it's like people that like, you will stay in contact with and I'll like go and

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get brunch with and all that kind of stuff.

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It's very wholesome.

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I mean, do you like find that experience?

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Like how do you know when something is like not right for you?

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How do you sort of judge it for you?

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I guess self experience and self worth.

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I think it's just, if you're not, if you're not learning from it, then it's not helpful.

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If you, if you feel like you're the smartest person in the room, what are you getting from

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that?

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I mean, if you're not helping someone or someone's not helping you, there's got to be kind of

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like a mid ground or everything.

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Like I've just, you know, I've had some where it's, I feel like it maybe wasn't a level

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of professionalism that I expected or wanted, I guess.

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And I've had others that it was just like weird kind of dynamics, like I guess the group

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of people that were together, not everyone got along in a way that maybe was expected.

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And it was just like, not as fun.

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I mean, yeah, simply like, I don't know how else to kind of describe it.

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Like it wasn't like awful, but I'd find myself going home and like, you know, talking to

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my housemate and just complaining about things.

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And it was like, so like, you know, you know, it's like just annoying when the tiniest little

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things get to you.

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It's like, oh, we're at that point that it's like, you can't say anything without me like

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rolling my eyes.

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Oh my God.

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How many times has that happened?

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Oh, to be honest, not that many times, but it's just like, I think that's more memorable.

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Like when I look back on like the show, I don't think about, oh, there was that one

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good time.

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I mean, like, have you, have you been through it every night?

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Have you sat in a show and been like, oh my God, I can't wait for the end of this like

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There was one where like, I mean, no, to be honest, no.

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There was one that I was like, I just wanted to be, before we'd even started performing,

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I was like, get me out.

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Um, it was just like, just, there were so many things wrong with it.

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It was like a great challenge.

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It was the most responsibility I'd ever had in a show.

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speaks a lot.

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of every night.

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Um, cause it was just like a weird, hard experience.

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And then, you know, you get into interval and no one would talk to each other.

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And I'm like, what is happening?

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Guys, come on.

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Oh my God.

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Have you like, cause I mean, those kinds of situations tend to, you can tell when you

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watch a performance as well, when someone doesn't want to be there.

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you can be in the best set ever and someone will still like find something, uh, that they

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might have an issue with.

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But I mean, I've, I've never quite been an entire, I think I've only had one experience

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similar to you where I've literally been like from start to finish.

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I literally hated every element.

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I can only think of one that's like that extreme, but there's been others that it's like, oh,

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it's not the end of the world that we're finished.

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I've had a lot.

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I mean, like, you know, whether, whether it's sort of like projects I've worked alongside

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of my own, I've definitely had an especially, I talk about experience a lot on this, but

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experience is one of those things that you learn off others and then you learn off yourself.

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And you sort of, I feel, I don't know.

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And I don't know if you agree with this, but you sort of feel like you, you have a bunch

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of people that you learn together with, and then you have a bunch of people that you learn

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off.

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And then you kind of have a bunch of people that you also teach.

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Like, but they're all different ages.

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They're not necessarily like ages such immaterial when it comes to our industry of like, you

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know, um, you might know something that I don't know, or you might have an experience

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that I haven't had.

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So therefore you can teach me or vice versa.

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But then when people kind of older than us go, Oh, I've been in the industry for 20,

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30 years and I know all the crap that is, do you find that more annoying as I see, you

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know, a person coming into it?

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Um, I, yes and no, I think I don't mind it if it's backed.

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So it needs evidence.

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It, yeah, it just, well, it's kind of like, you know, I've been in a show where there

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was someone who was like much older than me and then just comes in and is talking about,

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Oh, I worked at like these places and blah, blah, blah.

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And just like dropping names and then it was the most unprofessional person I've ever

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worked with.

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And I was like, are you just like lying or like what's happening?

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I'm like, don't, don't, they're like, are you lying to yourself?

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Are you trying to fit in?

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I like, I was just so confused and I was like, it annoyed me even more because I was like,

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why try and be different?

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Why not just be open to learn from people who have more experience than you, whoever

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they are.

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I, I a hundred percent agree with that.

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And I think it comes back to the thing of like, you're constantly learning.

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You're always learning and people always challenge each other.

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And I mean, like it goes down to collaboration and who you work best with as well, because

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I've worked with people that I do not work well with.

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And that is my least favorite thing to do, especially as like a creative and gone, Hmm,

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what do you do with like people who don't, I don't want to say gel.

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Like you can work with people who don't necessarily have the same idea, but I'm talking about

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people who literally just go, your idea sucks and still kind of like, and then tell you

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constantly I've worked with those kind of people.

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So I've never had someone outright say your idea sucks.

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It's way more passive aggressive.

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Um, it's so, yeah, I find it hard because I think it also comes from like, this is going

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to sound strange, but like being a woman and just kind of, you know, when you're assertive,

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you're bossy and that kind of stuff.

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And I just put up with stuff for so long.

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And then my outlet is, you know, talking to people who are not involved, who doesn't matter.

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And I can just like whine all I want and release it that way and then just put up with it in

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rehearsals or whatever.

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Um, but then it kind of like a show I did recently, it got to a point where I was like,

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I actually can't anymore because it was so hypocritical.

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Like I would ask for like one kind of like, not even adjustment or just kind of like,

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can you be aware of that you're doing this or, um, like blah, blah, because it really

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helped me out.

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And then they would just like pick on the most minuscule things that I was doing, um,

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as kind of a comeback.

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Huh.

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And I'm like, or, or every time the director was like about to give them a note, they'd

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say like before, whether or not it was a good note or a bad note, they'd be like, oh, I

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only did that because so-and-so did this.

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And I'm like, hmm, hmm, what an interesting kind of, just like nothing's their fault.

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And then I kind of like, just very calmly did not, like, I was very cautious of, you

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know, not swearing, not raising my voice, just kind of like being like, this is how

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I feel.

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Does that make sense?

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If it doesn't, I'll rephrase it.

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Like, I just want to let you know.

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And then, yeah, I kind of just got told that, you know, oh, you made everyone uncomfortable

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and like, um, you really shouldn't have said anything and like, blah, blah, blah.

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And so, yeah, I just ended up like, ended back up in, back up, ended back in square

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Where I was like, yeah, whatever, do whatever, I'll just deal with it, I guess.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my.

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See, like, I mean, look, I walk the earth in a very completely different light, but

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I do find that incredibly frustrating because it's like, you know, like, and I'll say it

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straight like, like, fuck you kind of situation.

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Like what do you, I mean, how did you, how do you deal with it?

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Like, do you just intend to like go home and then just rage?

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I do.

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I just bitched my house.

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I mean, like fair because I mean, and I like what you said about like, you know, the perspective

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of being a woman, because that is very true, especially as a young woman, like, and I feel

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it's frustrating because looking at you and the, and the reason as a performer and the

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stuff that I was, you know, I reached out to you originally was because you had a particular

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look that I was after, but also because you had talent and I think that talent and, and

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assertive behavior is absolutely fine.

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Like you can be assertive as you want, cause I, I, you know, grew up with a very, you know,

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amazing mother and everything and I had a lot of female friends growing up, but I do

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find I agree with you when men are presented with assertive women, they go, Oh no.

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Oh yeah.

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How dare you have an opinion.

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It's like, well, why the fuck not?

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Like it's the best thing in the world and, and sorry, it's just, I'm glad you're swearing

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cause I was really many times where I was struggling to find other words.

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No, you're always allowed to swear on this.

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Please, please go wild.

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I should have stayed at that at the beginning.

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Please fucking swear.

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Okay.

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I'll try.

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Okay.

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But I mean, like, do you, do you walk?

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I mean, you must constantly walk that line, especially, or you know, cause do you find

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that people kind of cast you for your looks mostly, or do you find it's more about your

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talent that you hope that people cast you as?

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God, I have no idea.

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I think it wasn't something that really occurred to me until I started doing screen.

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Um, when, you know, on stage, you can get away with a 35 year old playing a 14 year

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old.

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You can get away with that.

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They're far away.

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How could they know better?

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Um, on screen, you kind of have to sit more into an archetype and, you know, be conscious

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of what people are going to assume about you when they look at you for the first time.

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And that was something I tried to think about a lot, um, but then, you know, haven't really

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necessarily explored that much just cause I've been doing a lot of theater this year

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where it really, you know, didn't matter as much.

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Um, and so in that way, I hope that it was because of talent, because at the end of the

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day, I don't think it would have mattered what the character looked like.

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No.

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Um, in those shows could have been literally anyone.

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Maybe like the only thing would be like age range.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah.

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But then, yeah, on screen, it's kind of a different story, which is interesting and

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not something I've had as much experience in.

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Are you sort of looking forward to it though?

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I don't know.

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It's harder because I think in a way it, it kind of makes it easier to deal with rejection

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because you can just tell yourself that, you know, maybe they just wanted a blonde girl,

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which is fine.

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And then you can be like, well, I'm just not blonde.

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That's easy on screen.

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Not on stage.

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On stage it doesn't matter.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, which is weird, but I don't know.

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I really, it's, it's a hard kind of superficial industry.

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It really is.

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And I think when I sort of always like started out and especially when I was younger, um,

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I make it sound like I'm so old.

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Someone said I was old the other day and I was like, oh fuck.

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Um, but I mean, like when I started out, I was definitely looking at everything, you

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know, going, oh, what's appealing, what's not appealing.

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And I think I go to this stage and it only happened probably in like 2017, 2018 where

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I got very fed up with everyone having this bleak sort of very limited view of the industry.

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Like it was like, you are predominantly just white blonde women in front of camera.

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And I was like, also no one was given a chance to actually act.

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Like no one was given, you know, a lot of my friends wanted villain roles.

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A lot of my friends wanted, you know, out of the box kind of roles where they were just

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like weird characters that, you know, weren't normal, just girl next door kind of thing.

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And I think I just started having this sort of a perspective of like shifting it going

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that way.

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But I mean, like that still feels like, it happens more and more, but I feel like when

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people cast women in certain roles, they're still trying to be like sexy or just glamorous.

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Like do you still kind of feel like people are trying to put you into the, like that

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box?

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Um, yes and no.

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I think there's like the, it's almost like it with any kind of, not like gore, like horror,

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but like, you know, some like maybe like thriller and stuff.

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It's like the siren effect.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, I don't know.

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I think it's now I'm like just forgetting what the question was.

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I had an answer about the, um, no, it's gone.

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Oh no.

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There's something about girl next door.

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Yeah.

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Girl next door and the, and like archetypal roles and everyone wanting to play quirky,

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quirky characters.

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Let me see if I can jog your memory.

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Cause I said yes and no.

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And then I answered yes.

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What was my no argument?

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Cause you mentioned the siren effect.

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That's the yes.

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What was the no?

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No idea.

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Something about glamorous.

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I have no idea.

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Interesting.

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I have absolutely no clue.

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Cause I mean like the only way it springs to mind is like with, with the siren effect

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as well, I feel like that is a, you know, cause there's something also that, you know,

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like Helen Mirren recently appeared in a film, which was about a woman who was going like

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her partner, I think had died and she was like having this thing with a sex worker and

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it was just, I come, I come with a full life of me of the name of the film, but it's one

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of those things that you kind of like projectively in the future see like I remember, um, watching

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a, no, it wasn't Helen Mirren.

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Sorry, Emma Thompson, Emma Thompson.

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So I thinking of different, a different anyway, the point being, God, my brain is just like

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trying to remember what your no answer is.

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But I mean, like the, the interesting thing was, I feel like that film shows, you know,

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natural of women aging as well.

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And, and you know, I think that that is something that our industry seemingly lacks that once

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you get a certain age, you kind of get shuffled out, um, as a woman as well.

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Is that something that you kind of fear?

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I have heard from multiple sources that the best roles for women are in your forties.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Which is super weird.

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And it's also like not my niche.

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My niche is high school drama.

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I think, um, but you know, like I've got a friend who is 19 and she, I think she's going

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to be really successful in like 20 years.

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Wow.

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Cause she just hasn't like aged into her personality.

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Right.

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And I'm like, you're so good as a mum.

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Like, um, but that's where you get like all your drama.

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Like you've got like big little lies.

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Um, and others.

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Um, there's like good stuff.

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Um, uh, the yellow jacket.

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Yes.

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Oh my God.

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Can I just say that show?

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Love it so much.

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And second season, I think this year or next year, one of the two, but I'm excited.

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I'm genuinely excited for that show.

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But yeah, like, so that's something.

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Yeah.

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We're starting to see a lot more dramas being, I think it's just cause it's being written

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by that demographic.

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Yeah.

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Um, and yeah, cause it was sheltered for so long.

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And you know, you'd have the stories about men in that age bracket, but all of the women

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would be in their twenties.

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So it's like, what's the point?

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I mean, it's also, yeah, it's kind of weird because I look at like reality with like Leonardo

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DiCaprio dating people in it, in his, like he's in his forties and he's dating people

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in his, their twenties or I think he's 50 now and it's still very unnerving.

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But it was kind of like, I remember reading all of Twitter recently with House of Dragon,

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um, Game of Thrones and Matt Smith, um, you know, making out with 22 year old.

401
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Um, I can't remember her name.

402
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Yeah.

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Um, yeah.

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And that was so bizarre.

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Like I didn't even watching that.

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I look at her and I'm like, that is a child.

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That to me is a little bit like, I get that, you know, she's 22, but still a little weird.

408
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I, in a show, I don't, the last show I did, um, I was, my character was six years older

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than me.

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And then the other guy, um, he was five years older than his character, right?

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The character's already three years apart, which meant there was now 14 years age gap.

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Oh yeah.

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Wild.

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I mean, like, does that make you uncomfortable as a performer?

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Like only in hindsight, I think it's just a kind of, you know, it's a job.

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You got to do the job.

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I mean, I could argue, but would you ever like, you know, I guess, cause the thing is

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like, you know, with shows like Game of Thrones, there was a lot of sex scenes.

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And I remember reading the article with Patty Constantine, um, you know, and there was an

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intimacy coordinator with his love interest who is like 19 and he's 48.

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And she was just like, worried, concerned when going in and apparently like all the

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situation was fine.

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Like it was very consensual and everything.

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And then, you know, they had an intimacy coordinator, but still I would have sat there

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as like an actor as a director on set, just being like, huh, this still kind of makes

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me feel weird.

427
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Yeah.

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00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,880
We had a coordinator, intimacy coordinator.

429
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Um, but it just, yeah, I had a lot of anxiety about it.

430
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Um, but like kind of more just, you know, stuff that I know I have to work on and like

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where I know my boundaries are and stuff like that.

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But I think it's, it's interesting because you're playing characters who have different

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values to you and who have different emotional and, um, what's it?

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Oh, I was going to say emotional and intelligence intelligence.

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Um, emotional and rational intelligence.

436
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,560
Yes.

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Like you just, your character craves completely different things to you.

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And so in that sense, like, I mean, once you're actually doing it and you're performing it

439
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and you're in the scene, it's fine because it's just where the scene is going and it's,

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you know, it's rehearsed and it's safe and it's all that kind of stuff.

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But it's just like, you really can't dwell too much on it because then you'll get in

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your head and then you'll get anxious and then you'll be looking back like, what the

443
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fuck actually just happened?

444
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Yeah.

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I mean, like, and I feel like it's always a learning, like constant learning experience

446
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with those kinds of things as well.

447
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,360
Um, I like it that you mentioned boundaries because I do love it when people kind of mention

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boundaries.

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00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,080
It's like my favorite thing.

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00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,840
And consent has been like massively pushed in the last year, or it's like check with

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your fellow actors.

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What are they comfortable with?

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00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,280
I've been rehearsing a show that goes up next week.

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And my favorite thing is how normalized boundaries and stuff is like every morning we check in

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how are you feeling emotionally scale one to 10?

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How are you feeling physically scale one to 10?

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Are there any injuries?

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And then we do like a green light system.

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So it's kind of like, you know, green, yellow, red, green is like, you don't have to ask

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if you're going to touch me.

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00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,280
It's fine.

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Yellow is asked, but it's probably fine.

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And then red is no.

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And it's so easy and normalized and no one has to feel like remotely embarrassed or uncomfortable

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if you know, maybe they are red or yellow.

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And it's just like everyone now in the room now knows, okay, now I like I'll just ask

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and that person, you know, maybe they're feeling a bit off today, but I'll be careful with

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them.

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And it's so easy.

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It's so easy.

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And it makes it so much more comfortable for everyone and safe.

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And it just, I'm very glad that it's starting to be normalized.

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I love that.

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That's like, that's the best.

475
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,440
I didn't even know that was a thing.

476
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,080
Like that green, yellow, red system.

477
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:47,000
I'm going to steal that because that is so like, cause yeah, going to say, I mean, that's,

478
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,280
you know, is one of my concerns though, whenever you deal with like, you know, even, even these

479
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,440
days, you know, when, when you're sort of performing with anyone, I feel like even if

480
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,320
there are intimate moments, I feel like that's a good way to check in.

481
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:06,120
Do you feel like, here's my question though, do you feel like people should do that in

482
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,120
day to day life and just check in and you know, cause I feel like we get a lot of unwarranted

483
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,440
touching or, you know, even like a tap on the shoulder some days, I'm like, I don't

484
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,840
want people to like touch me on the shoulder or, you know, hug me or anything like that.

485
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,640
There's definitely days where I'm like, no, don't touch me.

486
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,480
But I don't know how to vocalize that in a day to day situation unless it's like, I

487
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,200
guess in that artistic zone, like, do you think we should normalize it into society

488
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,200
as well?

489
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Yeah, that's hard.

490
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:44,200
I think it's, this is almost like the argument with consent and people like, Oh no, it makes

491
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,680
it so awkward.

492
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:55,600
But I think there's kind of an aspect of like admiration, you know, when people do feel

493
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:02,200
comfortable to express themselves and it's like, well, if someone is like, Oh, Hey, I

494
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,400
just feel a bit off today.

495
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Like I don't really like wanting anyone to touch me or anything.

496
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,320
Who's going to be like, no, I don't, I don't accept that.

497
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:19,680
It's going to be like, Oh, okay, like thanks for feeling comfortable to tell me and like

498
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,080
know that it's going to be okay.

499
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:33,400
I find it like a hard place to talk from though, because I don't often feel red.

500
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,520
I'm most mostly green.

501
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320
And I think maybe this is just like a love language thing.

502
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,080
I'm like, yes, please.

503
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,160
Yeah, which is like interesting, but I totally like understand where it's coming from.

504
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Yeah.

505
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,720
I mean, I, especially as a director, as a performer, I always constantly check in and

506
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,040
definitely had people much more comfortable with certain situations and like per se others,

507
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,000
especially when you know, whether it's a, you know, kissing someone or something, it's

508
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,800
always good to just like, or you know, anything I really like even snuggling.

509
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,440
It's like, it sounds so bizarre that you're like, Oh no, you two lie next to each other.

510
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,120
There's no like intimacy, but in that lying next to each other, personal space, it's personal

511
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,120
space.

512
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:22,360
It's like such a minute thing, but in the context of everyone's like safety and comfort

513
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,120
levels, that is also a massive thing.

514
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,640
And I feel like that's on a kind of like jogged for me in the last year.

515
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:35,760
Cause I mean, realistically in low or independent budget shoots, intimacy coordinators, we're

516
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,000
very few and far between until probably what this year and or last year.

517
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Like it was just really quite recent.

518
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,000
I remember when I started, there was no such thing.

519
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,880
You just checked in with the actors and said, Hey, you okay to do this and you okay.

520
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:50,880
Cool.

521
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Where, you know, I trust you to, to do it.

522
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,320
And like, that was kind of the level of knowledge that everyone had.

523
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,680
Now it's just have a third person on there to kind of make sure everyone's okay.

524
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,800
I don't think I could have done the last show without a coordinator.

525
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,320
I think I'm just so like out of my depth with the experience.

526
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:22,160
And I was like, I just don't even know where to begin or like how anyone's feeling or what

527
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,160
the director wants.

528
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,640
It's makes it so much easier for the director to talk to the intimacy coordinator and be

529
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,960
like, this is the mood that I want.

530
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,480
And then they're like, great.

531
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,480
Here's your blocking.

532
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,480
Good luck.

533
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Yeah.

534
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,840
So they then go and do it.

535
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,840
And it's kind of like a mini director, isn't it?

536
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,680
To kind of go and talk to you, to you guys.

537
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,680
It's like a choreographer.

538
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,680
Yeah.

539
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:48,360
God, there's so many more little intricacy, intricacy roles now, which is, you know, expanding

540
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,360
the industry.

541
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,840
Cause yeah, it's kind of nuts.

542
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:59,120
I mean, I want to kind of swing us back though, to you as an actor and you young fraire back

543
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,840
in the day.

544
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,120
When did this whole journey begin for you?

545
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Oh God.

546
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Couldn't tell you genuinely.

547
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,320
Like I don't have like a pin point moment or anything.

548
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:25,200
I know when I was in my first play, I was seven or eight.

549
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,760
And I'm like, well, it must've been before that.

550
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,320
I did dance since, oh no, that was my first play.

551
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,000
So I was in year two and I started doing dance in year two.

552
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,920
And there obviously was some reason why I wanted to do that.

553
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Look, I genuinely have no idea.

554
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,640
It's so intrinsic for me.

555
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,720
And I just like year 12 had no backup plan.

556
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,520
Everyone was like, you know, I'm not going to get into drama school straight out of high

557
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,520
school.

558
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,840
And I was like, okay, yeah, I know.

559
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,600
I'm like, but I'm going to try.

560
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Yeah.

561
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,600
And then I did.

562
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,720
And then I was like, oh, this is great.

563
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:13,000
Um, now I don't need a backup plan.

564
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Um, but I haven't got bored of it yet.

565
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,280
Oh, that's good.

566
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,280
Yeah.

567
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,920
It's been like at least 12 years.

568
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,000
It's a fun time.

569
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
That's insane.

570
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:33,600
And like, do you, cause yeah, I remember, you know, like you mentioning that your, your

571
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,360
parents were, oh God, not my dad.

572
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,080
No, no, not even creatively talented at all.

573
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Not in the slightest.

574
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,400
My mom is an actor.

575
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Yeah.

576
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,200
She, um, she went to drama school in the nineties with Joel Edgerton.

577
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Wow.

578
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Yeah.

579
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,200
I know.

580
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960
I was like one claim to fame.

581
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,560
Um, yeah.

582
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,280
And I was kind of always around it.

583
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:09,760
Like she would do plays and there's like videos of me rehearsing lines with her in accents.

584
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,760
Wow.

585
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,800
I was like six or something like that.

586
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,320
Um, so yeah, I was very much around it.

587
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,320
Yeah.

588
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:28,560
And my parents very much tried to make sure I became an engineer.

589
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Why?

590
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,360
Oh, cause they make money apparently.

591
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Oh, do you have any interest in engineering?

592
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,960
No.

593
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,960
That fast?

594
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,960
No.

595
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,280
That's a very specific career.

596
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,320
Well, it was, I was always told there are so many different types of engineers.

597
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,320
Yes.

598
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,480
You can be an engineer of anything is what I was told.

599
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,120
I have no idea what engineers do still.

600
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,600
I've been told this lie for 15 years.

601
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,160
I've been told I can become an engineer in anything.

602
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,960
I don't know if that's true.

603
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,120
I mean like the, yeah.

604
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,560
I like the technical description is I guess fixes of things and builders.

605
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Like it's pretty vague.

606
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,520
I know.

607
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,920
It's like, what, what exactly did you scope out?

608
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,320
Cause I mean like there's building engineers and there's tech engineers and there's like,

609
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,880
I was told you can become a hairdressing engineer.

610
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,880
What's that do?

611
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,880
I don't know.

612
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,880
A hairdresser, I think.

613
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,880
Oh my God.

614
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,880
Yeah.

615
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,920
So apparently you can make money as a hairdresser engineer.

616
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,920
Yeah.

617
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,880
Um, was it more enforced by your dad or your mom?

618
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Both.

619
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:48,920
I think it, because it was kind of like my mom never really had like a big break or anything.

620
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Yeah.

621
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:57,040
Um, I think she just knows firsthand how rough the industry is and it's like, please don't

622
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,040
do that.

623
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Yeah.

624
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,040
You, here you are.

625
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,040
Yeah.

626
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Well, I'm very stubborn.

627
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,040
I know.

628
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:09,760
I mean, that's, that's not a bad trait, but I mean like, you know, do you then kind of

629
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:16,240
just, would you now even consider having a backup plan if, or you kind of with acting

630
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,920
hoping for a big break or not and just going where it takes you?

631
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Who doesn't?

632
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:28,720
Who, who's an actor scene over like, oh, I really like just like not doing any big projects.

633
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,760
Waiting for you to be just not snatched up.

634
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,680
I just, you know what?

635
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,680
Don't cast me.

636
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,480
Um, no.

637
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:45,680
I, I don't, there's still like, this is my, the problem I had in year 12 that I was like,

638
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:52,240
I would look through the like UAC booklet and there was not one single course that I

639
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,240
wanted to do.

640
00:39:53,240 --> 00:40:01,360
Um, and like, I still like enjoy other things, like mainly just from like doing subjects

641
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:10,200
in year 12, but like a few weeks ago, one of my friends was studying at UNSW and he

642
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:18,680
was doing, um, uh, he was majoring in English because he quote, wanted to be more literary.

643
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:26,720
Um, anyway, he sent me his essay and he was like, can you just read over it, make sure

644
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:27,720
it makes sense?

645
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,800
And I was like, this is the worst sentence structure I've ever seen in my life.

646
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,280
Can I rewrite it for you?

647
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:39,200
And I spent like an hour rewriting his essay.

648
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,120
I don't, I hadn't read the books.

649
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,560
I didn't know what the essay question was.

650
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,200
Um, I just did for you in English in year 12 and was like, I kind of miss writing essays

651
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,120
cause like, I don't, I'm not being forced to.

652
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,740
And I rewrote his essay and it was super fun.

653
00:40:56,740 --> 00:41:01,120
And then he told me he couldn't use it because his teacher would think he plagiarized.

654
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,360
And I was like, you didn't plagiarize?

655
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Like I haven't even read the book.

656
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,160
And he was like, yeah, but like she's also read my other writing.

657
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,560
Like she knows I didn't write this.

658
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,920
And I was like, fair enough.

659
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,920
So she's, wow.

660
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Um, so yeah, I'm like, I kind of miss writing essays.

661
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:26,440
I would be like a ghost writer for other people's like, uh, I think that's actually

662
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,440
illegal.

663
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,440
I think that is plagiarism.

664
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,440
Yes, that is.

665
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,440
If I just write other people's essays.

666
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,440
Yes.

667
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,440
100%.

668
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,440
Cause for fun.

669
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,600
You could get into a lot of, a lot of trouble if you did that.

670
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,600
Yeah.

671
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,600
Cause they're like, why don't you just enroll?

672
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,600
Yeah, I know.

673
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,280
It's like, why don't you just do a bunch of subjects and just enroll on here?

674
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,480
Like, um, cause it would like, what other interests outside of like acting do you have?

675
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,360
Um, you're talking about hobbies?

676
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,360
None.

677
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,360
Um, because my hobby was acting.

678
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,880
And now it's, and now it's a career.

679
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,880
Yeah.

680
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:00,880
Kind of.

681
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,880
Um, I don't know.

682
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:09,240
I just like, I do, I take pride in intelligence and like just knowing things.

683
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,200
I'm a beast at trivia.

684
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,200
Really?

685
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,200
Sometimes.

686
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,200
It depends what the questions are.

687
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
And like history questions?

688
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,120
I know some history.

689
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,680
I know a lot about world war two because I did modern history in year 11 and 12 and three

690
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,360
out of our four subjects were world war two.

691
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,080
And they didn't have to be, they could have been four completely separate events, but,

692
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,600
um, yeah, I just, I think it's like so funny.

693
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:42,880
Like some of the stuff they did, those, those Germans invading Russia, it's stupid.

694
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,320
They made some bad choices.

695
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,320
One minute.

696
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:52,880
They're, they're invading the snow and were halted because they didn't bring antifreeze

697
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,120
and their tanks froze.

698
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,560
Like the petrol just froze and they were like, ah, we're stuck.

699
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,600
They wore black to invade in the snow.

700
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,800
Like it's just like these, I'm like, this is a sitcom.

701
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,840
Give me more.

702
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,120
And that's the only reason why I remember any of the information.

703
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,200
Cause I think it's so funny.

704
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Man.

705
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,200
Yeah.

706
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,200
I do love world war two.

707
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,280
It's a very interesting time.

708
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Um, not a great time to remember.

709
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,640
No.

710
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,080
I mean, you wouldn't want to go back.

711
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,720
No, no, but also like there's a lot less hatred towards the Germans now.

712
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:30,720
True.

713
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,480
There was a lot towards them.

714
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,480
How the turntables.

715
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,480
I know.

716
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,480
I know.

717
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Um, but I think one of my favorite like ones, the history lessons from world war two is

718
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,080
like the Japanese subs coming into, you know, Australian Sydney Harbor.

719
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,480
And then we could have almost got like fucking invaded.

720
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Yeah.

721
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,480
Good times.

722
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,480
And then did not.

723
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,480
No, no, no.

724
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:59,720
Cause you know, people blew that shit up and then, you know, like probably a bunch of bodies

725
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,040
were like singing in the ocean, but that's, you know, we're safe.

726
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,240
But I mean, it's interesting that you think about that and like how much this country

727
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:10,760
could have been completely swamped into another direction.

728
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,400
Um, and that's only what, not even that long ago.

729
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,400
That's like what?

730
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,400
80 years ago?

731
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,400
That's a long time ago.

732
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,320
Well, I mean, like the first world war was like over a hundred years old.

733
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,960
Yeah, but like my grandpa was like 10.

734
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,040
I mean, like it's, it's kind of for me as well, you know, because, you know, when people

735
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,280
go to me, oh, this show, you know, when like early 2000 shows and stuff like that, and

736
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,920
they go, oh, this show is 20 years old.

737
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:42,560
I'm like, is it, is it really or anything like, and then suddenly like you look at history

738
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,920
cause I'm, I'm currently in the midst of binge watching the X-Files, which is a great 90s

739
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:54,040
show if anyone has seen, but they have brick phones and like the Mount of Cold War era

740
00:44:54,040 --> 00:45:01,040
talk in it, like post-Cold War era is so prominent in it because the style of writing back then,

741
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,760
especially with America and Europe was, there was a lot of Cold War threats during that

742
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,760
era.

743
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,000
So a lot of their writing in the nineties and late eighties was all about the Cold War,

744
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,320
like subtext.

745
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:16,520
And it's so interesting to think of through a modern 2022 lens, how much I don't even

746
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,960
think about anything that extreme on a daily basis.

747
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,040
I don't worry about getting bombed.

748
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,960
I worry about like people's freedom rights and...

749
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Yeah.

750
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,480
I think it's just evolution.

751
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:38,960
I mean, like we're still, I feel like in some ways, right now we're more vocal about this

752
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,960
stuff than ever.

753
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Yeah.

754
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:51,240
It's just about everyday issues and things that people didn't think were issues 20 years

755
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:56,520
ago because they were worried about being bombed.

756
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Yeah.

757
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,240
It's weird how it kind of, we're like, oh, we're so different to them, but it's exactly

758
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,960
the same in a different font.

759
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,920
I mean, like, is there any sort of views and opinions that you hold that you're very strong

760
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:17,360
about and want people to be like, shut the hell up about?

761
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,360
I don't know.

762
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,000
I feel like the answer should be yes.

763
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,600
I'm like, I have no opinions.

764
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,600
I don't know.

765
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,000
I get very existential a lot.

766
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Really?

767
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Yeah.

768
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,240
You sound like that's a bad thing.

769
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:36,240
Yeah.

770
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,880
You're like, why am I existential right now?

771
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,160
Yeah, I don't know.

772
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:47,120
I like being able to have those conversations though, I think.

773
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:56,320
And just mainly with like close friends where it kind of, you're either going to have similar

774
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:02,920
opinions or you respect each other enough to hear out the other's opinion.

775
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,640
Like there's no fun having that conversation where you just got two very strongly opinionated

776
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,200
people who aren't going to change their minds and are just arguing.

777
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,840
Yeah, I don't know.

778
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,680
I can't think of like anything specific.

779
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:29,320
Because I feel like my sister is a lot more vocal than me.

780
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:35,800
And she's like, she's in year 12 now and goes to all of the like school strike climate rallies

781
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,320
and like all of that kind of stuff.

782
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:42,320
I've never been to a protest.

783
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,320
I don't judge you at all.

784
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,600
Yeah, I don't know.

785
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:55,880
I think because the school strikes started when I was in year 12, I think, like towards

786
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,240
the end.

787
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:04,040
And I was way more concerned about my attendance.

788
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,800
I had almost perfect attendance.

789
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:14,520
I was genuinely just like, I was more concerned about getting in trouble than going to the...

790
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Because it was like a very new thing.

791
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,360
And you know, hardly anyone was striking.

792
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,000
And I just like, I don't know.

793
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,400
But then I don't feel like it's because I didn't have a strong enough opinion about

794
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,400
it.

795
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,400
No.

796
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,640
I think it's like other things.

797
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,720
Look, I wasn't too dissimilar to you.

798
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,200
I was very impartial to a lot of...

799
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,000
I'm very strong now because it's been quite a few years.

800
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,480
But I mean, like even then I remember like my mom texted me and was like, why aren't

801
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,840
you at the Women's Day March when I just finished work and I'd been up since four?

802
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,400
I was like, I'm tired.

803
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,760
The only reason I didn't go was I was like, I'm tired, I'm going to go home.

804
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,960
I don't particularly want to stand around with sweaty people for two hours.

805
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,560
But in saying that, I feel like as activists or as prominent opinion speakers, you can

806
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:13,400
still express your ideas and beliefs in other ways.

807
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,680
I mean, look, I feel like everyone's allowed to express their opinion unless it starts

808
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,280
hurting other people.

809
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,040
I feel like there's a line that people sort of like suddenly cross.

810
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:33,280
If you go, oh, it's like when people go, I'm not racist, but I'm just like, what are you

811
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,600
about to butt me with?

812
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:36,960
What's your thoughts?

813
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,240
No offense, but you look really ugly today.

814
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,960
But you can't be offended.

815
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,960
No.

816
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:45,960
Like what?

817
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:56,840
I hate people like that, I really do, and I think, especially I used to have to deal

818
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,240
with Pauline Hanson for work and that was something I really hated doing.

819
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,160
I had to be nice to her in a professional capacity.

820
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,240
Luckily, I don't have to deal with her anymore, thank Christ.

821
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:14,920
But even now, if I ever speak to politicians or actors who have vastly different opinions,

822
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,920
whether they're really racist, homophobic, I kind of just try and tell them in a way

823
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:27,240
that doesn't make a fight occur, just kind of be like, okay, you're allowed to have

824
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:31,640
your opinion, but don't share it in the space.

825
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,360
And please, and then don't associate with the group anymore.

826
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Because that I think is the hardest thing is to be very diplomatic.

827
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,520
Because some people just also want to chuck knives into others when it comes to situations

828
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,160
where you don't want a scene.

829
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,580
Like, how do you feel on that?

830
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:53,200
I work a lot in customer service.

831
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,280
And I understand like it is a bit different because you're dealing with people who have

832
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,840
different opinions to you while also trying to make them do something.

833
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:13,160
Like, so especially like I have dealt with a lot of anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers because

834
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:21,400
I work in a building that requires people to wear a mask and be vaccinated to enter.

835
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:27,720
Just a lot, just very strong opinions, a lot of kind of like, I'm going to yell at you

836
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:31,120
because you're the only person who's here and you're making me try and do something.

837
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:37,680
And I think that's why it's different if I'm like talking to someone who doesn't want

838
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,600
to wear a mask.

839
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,320
And the only reason I'm talking to them is because I'm trying to make them put on a mask.

840
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:51,840
It's going to be a very different kind of interaction than if it's just like, oh, okay,

841
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,120
well, that's okay.

842
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,200
You do what you want.

843
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,040
Just maybe don't tell me about it.

844
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,040
If that kind of makes sense.

845
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,040
So it was like a roundabout analogy.

846
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,640
Yeah, no, I know what you mean because I feel like you've got to enforce, you know that.

847
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,320
And I remember I've worked with, I used to work with someone who was an anti-vaxxer and

848
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,480
the company went bye bye.

849
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:19,960
And it kind of like, I definitely think I'm very like, I was very pro-vaccine.

850
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,120
I mean like nowadays, if you haven't got your vaccine, that's on you.

851
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,000
If you survived having COVID, good on you.

852
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,520
At this point, I really don't care.

853
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Just don't come to me about like, you know, your opinions on vaccinations.

854
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,000
If it is a legal requirement for you to enter a building that is entirely on the rights

855
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,960
of the corporation and everything.

856
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,480
But it is interesting because like I've, you know, definitely disconnected with people

857
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,520
over it because they, you know, I had one friend who I was very close with and then

858
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,800
suddenly they were just like, I can't attend your Christmas thing.

859
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,800
And I was like, okay, why?

860
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,560
And they were like, oh, I haven't had the vaccine yet.

861
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,560
I was like, okay, cool.

862
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,560
Are you going to get it?

863
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,560
And they were like, no.

864
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,360
And I was like, okay, that's fair enough.

865
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,640
You're entitled to your opinion.

866
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:10,320
But at this point in time, I can't associate with you because of my family and you know,

867
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,600
and, and, and stuff like that.

868
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:12,960
So we can't see each other.

869
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,500
And then they invited, they invited me and my partner to this picnic thing with a whole

870
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:19,500
bunch of other anti-vaxxers.

871
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,680
And I was like, neither of us are going to attend this because it's just going to fuel

872
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,640
our anger towards people who don't, you know, think that we're getting microchipped and

873
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:28,640
everything.

874
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,240
Like that's the bizarre thing and the bizarre side of it.

875
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:37,560
Do you feel like though that the anti-vaxxer kind of like ship has sailed and no one gives

876
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,560
a crap anymore?

877
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,720
Yes and no.

878
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,880
I think, yeah, I had the same thing.

879
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:50,760
Like I know a few people who, um, I know they didn't get vaccinated like whenever it was

880
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:57,840
like mostly towards the end of last year where it was kind of, um, a big thing.

881
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,120
Yeah.

882
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:06,120
To be honest, I've seen those people since and I don't know if they have or haven't been

883
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,120
vaccinated.

884
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:18,400
Um, I think, yeah, it was, it was hard cause, um, like my dad has like chronic lung issues

885
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:24,600
and so for a long time it was kind of like, oh, well you can't, you cannot get it.

886
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,600
Yeah.

887
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,600
Please don't get it.

888
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,880
Um, and it was being careful with that.

889
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:37,440
And yeah, I think I agree that ships has kind of sailed, but then it's also just like, well,

890
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,880
that kind of means both parties shouldn't be as vocal about it anymore.

891
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Yeah, a hundred percent.

892
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:50,880
Um, and I, and I'm in the same boat because I mean like my dad, um, has also been diagnosed

893
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:57,640
with like, like a condition with the lungs and basically I remember when he told me and

894
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,000
mum and dad sat me down and they were like, oh, his life is, you know, just with COVID

895
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,160
at the moment, we don't know what the doctors will say and he's fine now.

896
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,960
He can, you know, he's been traveling and he's absolutely fine.

897
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,200
But I mean like there was a period of time where I was like, oh dear God, if you get

898
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,800
this like, or someone gives it to you, oh fuck, like what will the results mean?

899
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,080
Yeah, it was kind of just like, we don't know what is going to happen.

900
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:28,040
Um, but it kind of just turned out that my dad was the least concerned person about it.

901
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:33,840
Like he's had these like, I don't know, it's not a disease.

902
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:39,160
I don't know what it is, but, um, since I was like a child.

903
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,160
Right.

904
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:46,600
Um, so he's kind of like accustomed to it's been like years and years and years.

905
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,200
Um, and then we were all kind of like, oh, no, you can't get it.

906
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,920
And then I got COVID on Christmas Eve.

907
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,920
Oh fuck.

908
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,880
Which the worst part about that was that I was a Christmas casual.

909
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:57,880
Oh fuck.

910
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,880
And good work Boxing Day.

911
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,400
Um, yeah, it was like great.

912
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,800
I know I felt so bad.

913
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,920
Um, I still have that job though.

914
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:09,920
I'm impressed.

915
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,680
It wasn't that bad apparently.

916
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,760
They didn't hate you enough to not keep it.

917
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:14,760
Yeah, exactly.

918
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,840
I've got a permanent contract.

919
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,640
Um, but yeah, so I got COVID.

920
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,920
I don't live with my parents.

921
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:28,640
Um, and I was kind of just like freaking out on the phone.

922
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,640
And like I was on the phone to my mom and then she was like, I have to go.

923
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,640
And I was like, okay.

924
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:39,640
And I went home and cause I'd done a rat test in the storeroom at work.

925
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,920
Cause it was Christmas Eve.

926
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,480
I had to start really early.

927
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,240
I tried to go to Priceline before they weren't getting a ship in a rat test till 10 AM.

928
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:49,240
And I was like, right.

929
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:54,160
I'm going to double mask up and give everyone COVID for the next three hours.

930
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,560
No one else got it from me.

931
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:56,560
I'm impressed.

932
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Which is crazy.

933
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,840
But yeah, so I ended up like going straight home.

934
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,800
I like threw up before the rat test had done its 15 minutes.

935
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,240
And I was like, I don't care what it says.

936
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,240
I'm leaving.

937
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:10,560
And yeah, like on the tram home and I was like crying and so stressed.

938
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,760
I was meant to go to Melbourne for New Year's and it was like a whole thing.

939
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,720
It was Christmas.

940
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,240
And then my dad called me and he was like, all right, like we've talked.

941
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,640
Just like pack a suitcase and like come and stay at my parents' house.

942
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,760
And I was like, no, like you can't get it.

943
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:28,760
No.

944
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,200
And then he was kind of like, nah, like I literally don't care.

945
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Like we literally talked just like it's worse for us.

946
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,760
Like we'd rather get COVID than pick to you alone in your room on Christmas for the next

947
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,200
10 days.

948
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,640
And then he proceeded to drink out of my cup to try and get COVID.

949
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:50,640
What?

950
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,920
Did not get it.

951
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:53,920
Crazy.

952
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,840
I don't know what was happening there.

953
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,920
So yeah, he was not concerned about it at all apparently.

954
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,120
Good dad is a pro when it comes to don't give a shit.

955
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,360
There was some priorities out of order there.

956
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,040
I mean like that's insane.

957
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,520
I do think it is interesting as well because you know, like when I got COVID, Emily got

958
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,960
it before me and we went go and see her parents.

959
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,680
And then the next day I think she got it.

960
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,480
Like she tested positive before then she got it.

961
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,520
Like she had it for a week gestating or doing whatever its thing is.

962
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,120
And then like they didn't get it.

963
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,120
No one got it.

964
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,000
And then we were just like twiddling our thumbs at home for 10 days.

965
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000
Yeah.

966
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,000
And then I did like five days after I got it because I was able to trace back to who

967
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,800
I would have got it from.

968
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,400
Because it was like a cluster.

969
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,640
It was like right after like the last day of uni.

970
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,560
And so there was like a big party with all the third years.

971
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,280
I was not there.

972
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,400
There was like 30 of them.

973
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:05,560
Anyway, they all tested positive and I had worked with some of them.

974
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,200
Like two days after.

975
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,880
So that's what you got them for.

976
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:11,880
Yeah.

977
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,480
And then proceeded to go to work for the next five days.

978
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,680
I mean, I mean like the kudos to no one getting into work.

979
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,360
I don't know how that happened.

980
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,880
I don't know how this virus works like at all.

981
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,320
It seems to have a mind of its own.

982
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,220
And I was so sick.

983
00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:30,940
Like just for like 10 days.

984
00:59:30,940 --> 00:59:33,360
My housemate got it like two weeks after me.

985
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,680
And then said it was my fault.

986
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:35,680
That does not.

987
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:36,680
No, that doesn't add up.

988
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,680
That's not how it works.

989
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,480
Um, lost his taste and smell for one day.

990
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,480
And that was it.

991
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,920
It was just like thriving for the rest of the week.

992
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,920
Holy shit.

993
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:49,920
I'm envious.

994
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:50,920
I was sick as a dog.

995
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,640
I was so sick.

996
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,960
I was like everything under the sun to nausea.

997
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,960
I lost my appetite for months.

998
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,960
Yeah.

999
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:01,120
How weird is that?

1000
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,520
I think I lost it for like a month.

1001
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,120
I was really like not that hungry.

1002
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,600
And then I had brain fog for like two weeks.

1003
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,440
Did you get the brain fog?

1004
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:12,440
I don't even remember.

1005
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,440
It was like midsummer.

1006
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Oh no, that's the worst time to get it.

1007
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,640
Yeah, it was like, you know, Christmas, New Year.

1008
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,160
Who even knows what day it is if you don't have COVID during that time.

1009
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,160
I know, right?

1010
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,440
Um, I got a side question though to ask.

1011
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,440
Are you more of a summer or a winter person?

1012
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,760
I prefer winter fashion.

1013
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,280
Be like the heat of summer?

1014
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,120
No, I like spring.

1015
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,960
Oh, you're a spring person.

1016
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,560
Yeah, I think so.

1017
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:44,560
Like they're in between.

1018
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,800
Sitting on the fence.

1019
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,800
Love that.

1020
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:56,840
Um, I want to talk to a bit about going forward into the world of social media.

1021
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:03,000
I want to talk a bit about that, um, as a performer and as a person, is that something

1022
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:08,940
you enjoy or is it something you really dislike?

1023
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:13,520
I think it's a bit of a chore.

1024
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,240
I yeah, I find it hard.

1025
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,760
Um, I find promotion difficult.

1026
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,560
Like it just makes me uncomfortable and you know, just I've got my, the back of my mind.

1027
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,560
Like this is so egotistical.

1028
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,840
I'm like, blah, blah, blah.

1029
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:37,120
Um, but I think I remember O week of drama school, we had a seminar that was like about

1030
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:43,000
marketing yourself as a brand online and how, and so I just remember everyone walking out

1031
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,760
and being like, are you going to create a new Instagram account?

1032
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,480
Like that's your business.

1033
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,760
And I don't even know if anyone did.

1034
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,400
But it was all like, you know, you have to decide what your name is going to be.

1035
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,760
Do you want to keep your name or do you want to have a stage name?

1036
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,400
I was like, oh my God, I don't know.

1037
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:08,520
Um, but I kind of like, my mom still to this day is like, are you going to, you should

1038
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,440
make a new Instagram account or whatever.

1039
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:18,800
And I don't want to because I'm like, okay, the, I guess if I think about the celebrities

1040
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:25,640
and public figures that I follow online, I don't, the, what's interesting to me is not

1041
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,200
the like promo stuff.

1042
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,040
It's like them being an actual human.

1043
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:37,600
And you know, I, I already used to, like, I've got nothing to hide on my Instagram.

1044
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:42,680
I'm used to, you know, being underage and knowing my mom will look at my Instagram.

1045
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,680
So I'm very careful.

1046
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:50,640
Um, and it's also like, okay, I've had that account for a number of years.

1047
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:56,880
Um, while I was acting and performing and making connections and networking, it's like,

1048
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,120
well, I kind of like, in a way I've kind of tried hard.

1049
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,480
Like I've worked on it.

1050
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:09,560
I've got like an okay following of like, I'm like, okay, theater companies follow me.

1051
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,600
Some, some, and I'm like, why would I make a new account now?

1052
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:21,720
And then when it comes to like shows and stuff, I'll try and promote, you know, like, oh,

1053
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,120
buy tickets here.

1054
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:28,080
Well, because I'm not going to go up to individual people and be like, so when are you going

1055
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,080
to see my show?

1056
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,080
Yeah.

1057
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,120
So I'm like, ill no, if I just post it in the public, they can make that they can make

1058
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,120
up their own mind.

1059
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,120
Yeah.

1060
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,960
And I mean, like, uh, you know, a lot of the shows have limited runs as well.

1061
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,520
They like only for a week or two weeks or, you know, like sometimes even three days.

1062
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:50,720
So really like I've missed friends, like written performances or performances due to like work

1063
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,360
and then like that limited short run.

1064
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,480
So I mean, like, I like it when people post that stuff.

1065
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,240
Cause then I'm like, Oh, click, see when the dates are rather than someone going, when

1066
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,920
are you seeing my play?

1067
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:01,920
Yeah.

1068
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,760
I find, cause if someone says it to me, I'll be like, Oh, I don't really want to now.

1069
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:07,760
Yeah.

1070
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:08,760
It's like a threat.

1071
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:15,080
Um, I mean, also though, I do like, I do like your Instagram page a fair bit.

1072
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,960
I'm like, I do because it, I mean, hear me out.

1073
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:25,080
It's not like a weird kind of, probably the most, the best way of phrasing it.

1074
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,040
But I mean, I like it because you do look like a normal person.

1075
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,520
Like you, you do have this presence of, you are human.

1076
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,160
And I think a lot of people, particularly in our demographic go and try and filter it.

1077
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:44,640
So be like this glamorous obscene or like always nice life.

1078
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,240
And I do like that we are just, you know, like either there's a photo of you in your

1079
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,520
car or this photo, like you just got random stuff and it kind of makes you more human

1080
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,880
than most because I hate that curation constantly.

1081
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,640
I just don't know how to do that.

1082
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,440
I've seen people who do it and I don't like it.

1083
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,280
I think it kind of, you don't, I don't like find that genuinely appealing.

1084
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:11,240
Like people being that fake or that curated because you meet them and then you're like,

1085
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,680
you're nothing like that.

1086
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:22,680
And I think that, I mean, like, do you like presenting who you are from the get go?

1087
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:28,080
I don't know who I am.

1088
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,040
Existential crisis and self-reflection at the moment.

1089
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:32,040
I don't know.

1090
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,500
It's just, it's a lot more effort to, you know, think about it.

1091
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:42,440
And I get stressed when I try and think about that kind of stuff, like, you know, impressions

1092
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:50,440
and you know, if you get too far into, you know, just seeking approval, then who are

1093
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:51,440
you?

1094
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:57,440
Like you're genuinely, you're going to have a crisis because you're going to be so lost

1095
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:05,880
and you're just trying to be what other people want and it's going to be exhausting.

1096
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:12,800
And that's not to say that I have fully, you know, kind of know how to do that.

1097
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,560
But you know, you can start to recognise when other people are seeking approval a lot and

1098
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:22,560
then you can start to recognise when you're seeking approval and for what reasons you

1099
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,120
might be seeking approval and if it's all the time and if it's healthy or if it's unhealthy

1100
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:34,000
and you know, when it is becoming draining.

1101
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:44,840
And I think it's like, if social media feels stressful to you and yeah, like it's super

1102
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:51,040
draining and you're always like worried about what people think, take a break.

1103
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,600
Because it's not real.

1104
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,440
It's not going to be real.

1105
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,680
And it's not, you're not going to like it.

1106
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,520
And then it's like, what's the point?

1107
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:00,520
Yeah.

1108
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:06,000
I mean, it's, it's that, that's very true.

1109
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:13,120
And I feel like people, you know, what's, I remember once ages ago when I started this,

1110
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:19,440
like somebody asked how many followers I had on like, you know, podcast listeners and Instagram

1111
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,680
and I was like, well, probably like 10, maybe 15, maybe 20.

1112
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:27,520
I don't know, instead of like, I don't really look at it now because I don't consider it

1113
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,520
a big deal.

1114
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:38,240
I remember on Instagram when, if you had more than 11 likes, then it wouldn't say the amount

1115
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,920
of people anymore.

1116
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:45,600
So you could like your own post and it was like, if you had less than, if you had 10,

1117
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,560
it would like list all the people and you could see who it was.

1118
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,840
Like other people could see who it was, but if it was 11, then it was fine.

1119
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:57,560
And I'm like, I'm trying to think back to a time where I was stressed about getting

1120
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,600
like 11 likes.

1121
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:06,120
And then I think how much that's kind of changed and where the values are different.

1122
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:07,840
And I'm not like, I'm not lying.

1123
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:15,680
Like I still check, I check how many likes my posts are getting and comments and you

1124
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,840
know, how many views my stories get and how many followers I have.

1125
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:24,920
And I think that's only human, like it's hard to completely separate yourself from

1126
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:25,920
those things.

1127
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:32,880
But it's also, that doesn't mean that I'm stressed about it or comparing it.

1128
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,760
It just means I'm, I know I'm aware of it.

1129
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,760
You're not like letting it fuel your anxiety or insecurities.

1130
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,600
I mean, like, because I take it you're a bit of an anxious person on occasional self-reflection.

1131
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:45,600
Occasional.

1132
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,360
It's okay all the time.

1133
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:59,600
Do you find that, like, because talking about like confiding and having safe spaces and

1134
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:05,280
everything in terms of your own mental health, how do you moderate that when you sort of

1135
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:11,960
go into scenarios completely like with social media and trying not to constantly wear your

1136
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,520
heart on your sleeve?

1137
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:18,680
Because I know I'm one of those people, I'm constantly, and that isn't been a good thing

1138
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:19,680
and a bad thing.

1139
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,600
It's like, it goes in either or.

1140
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:32,400
I am self-aware of the fact that I do a lot to protect myself from getting hurt all the

1141
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,400
time.

1142
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:42,440
Like, pretty much every minute, every day I've like got walls up.

1143
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:43,680
And I think it's hard.

1144
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,400
It's like, I don't, I don't really know how to deal with life.

1145
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:55,640
I think there's, you know, you get comfortable with people and you get close to people where

1146
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,040
you feel like you don't have to worry about those things anymore when you're with them.

1147
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,680
But that doesn't mean that you don't worry about those things when you're with every

1148
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,680
person.

1149
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:03,680
No.

1150
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:09,200
But, you know, you've got some people that just doesn't matter with, like, I think the

1151
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:15,960
most relatable to everyone is probably with your family and you just don't care.

1152
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,320
Like you'll wear whatever.

1153
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,680
It doesn't matter.

1154
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,000
Like if you're sick or if you're tired or whatever.

1155
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:28,360
I don't care how I look when I'm with my mum, for example, but I might care how I look when

1156
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:34,800
I'm with people who I don't know as well.

1157
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:40,320
Or it's like, I will talk about certain topics with like my best friends from high school

1158
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:45,720
who I've been friends with for like eight or nine years that I wouldn't feel comfortable

1159
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,160
talking about with other people.

1160
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,880
Cause I'm like, well, I just don't know where we stand.

1161
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,440
I don't know if this is like TMI.

1162
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:54,960
I don't know if this is like uncomfortable for the other person.

1163
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,920
And then it's good because then it's like, well, you've got that release with that person.

1164
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:05,200
You're like, oh, I've got an outlet that I can talk about these things too.

1165
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,440
But yeah, you can compare yourself to some people and not to others.

1166
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:12,360
And I don't know what a healthy balance is.

1167
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:22,260
I think it's just like the first step is being aware and kind of recognizing when you feel

1168
01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:28,360
certain things and when it's unhealthy and when it's just, you know, admiration and or

1169
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,360
pride.

1170
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:36,840
You can be proud of someone and jealous of them at the same time, but it's like, where

1171
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,080
does that balance lie?

1172
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,600
That's where it becomes healthy or unhealthy.

1173
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,600
Yeah.

1174
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,520
And I mean, like you don't want to suffocate someone as well.

1175
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:53,480
Like I think you sort of were like my best friend of 11 or 12 years.

1176
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:58,600
I've known her, but yeah, like I tell her everything, but then like that not, that used

1177
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,000
to be the case, not the case when we first knew each other.

1178
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,920
So it's like you learn over time as well to kind of let people in and, you know, and let

1179
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:06,920
them trust you.

1180
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:12,080
But I have also been on the other end where I'm much more hyper aware of people and their

1181
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:17,500
kind of motives because I think particularly with this industry, and I feel like some people

1182
01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:22,720
in particular, just in life, their motives aren't genuine.

1183
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,680
And I really, I kind of know when people aren't genuine because I kind of take this little,

1184
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,600
okay, I'm going to stand back.

1185
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,200
I'm going to observe how they are.

1186
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:37,000
But being, you know, like, because sometimes when people talk a lot or sometimes when they're

1187
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,840
reserved doesn't mean they're not genuine.

1188
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,680
I think that people assume that being genuine is just talking all the time and being an

1189
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,800
open book, but that's not true at all.

1190
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:53,280
Like being genuine is, you know, being your true self, regardless of how people see you.

1191
01:12:53,280 --> 01:13:01,000
And I don't want to say like this, I don't hate it, but I definitely have a dislike and

1192
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:06,560
a distrust towards people when, especially in like both side of relationship, friendships

1193
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:12,860
and everything of when people aren't genuine, that I suddenly go, I don't really want to

1194
01:13:12,860 --> 01:13:16,480
know you because like, where is that level of trust?

1195
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:21,280
And trust should happen, whether it's a friendship working relationship or anything, it should

1196
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,800
always be a level of trust across the table.

1197
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,640
I mean, do you agree with that?

1198
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:32,240
Yeah, I think it's interesting because like, it's almost like the only way you can know

1199
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:38,920
about those things is if you see someone actively in two different situations or two different

1200
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:46,760
people, and then I find it hard because I know, or I can think of a few people that

1201
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:53,080
I've heard certain things about that I've never seen that part of them.

1202
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,360
And so it'll be like, oh, they say these kinds of things, they talk about these kinds of

1203
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,360
things.

1204
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:06,680
But then I'm like, it's hard because I kind of, I guess I believe you, but I've just never

1205
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:07,680
seen it.

1206
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,520
And I mean, just in general, like I find it hard to distance myself from people.

1207
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:18,520
Like I can hardly think of, I can't think of one example where I've actively distanced

1208
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:25,120
myself from someone that's only been like drifting apart from people, or just like naturally

1209
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:29,560
losing contact.

1210
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:34,760
So that's why I find it hard to kind of, you know, make like formulate those opinions when

1211
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:40,840
it's like, I understand where you're coming from, and I don't think you're a liar.

1212
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,800
I just haven't seen that side of them.

1213
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,280
Or they act differently to me, which I guess is a red flag.

1214
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:52,920
But I think it's, yeah, I agree.

1215
01:14:52,920 --> 01:15:00,520
Like I think I probably have a pretty good awareness of when people are being genuine,

1216
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,200
and like if people have motives.

1217
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:09,760
And I think a lot of that comes from acting and, you know, having to be able to recognize

1218
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,600
those things and make those choices as a character.

1219
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,920
Like you learn a lot about the human psyche.

1220
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:18,920
Yeah.

1221
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:26,680
And I think, you know, it's something that, I mean, like I would have talked about on

1222
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,880
the podcast before as well, which is being situations where, you know, people have said

1223
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,600
stuff about me or, you know, in working environments or, you know, friendship environments where

1224
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:42,080
it's like, I didn't even realize and or, you know, were completely unwarranted and untrue

1225
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,160
or were misconstrued.

1226
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,880
Like there were so many different ways.

1227
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:53,000
And I think that the last time that happened to me, it really made me rethink how situations

1228
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:58,960
do occur because I don't go into these situations.

1229
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,520
And I sort of confided in with a bunch of friends who had known me from different various

1230
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,580
points in my life and chatted with them about this story.

1231
01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:08,520
And they all went and just sort of said, that's not you.

1232
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,760
This person, like this situation is just awful.

1233
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,320
Like don't worry, this isn't you.

1234
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,360
And I think that made me because when you have a situation, which, you know, doesn't

1235
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:21,360
like sound great or, you know, makes you question your whole moral and, you know, compass and

1236
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,740
everything, I think that makes you go, oh shit, what have I done wrong?

1237
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:26,360
And have I affected other people?

1238
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,560
And when other people go, no, you're not like that at all, or I've not seen this side of

1239
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:35,060
you, or this sounds completely unwarranted, it does kind of make you reevaluate.

1240
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:40,000
But I think you should always learn from experiences as if someone tells you, you've done a situation

1241
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,280
wrong and they, you know, like they might be like, I never want to work with you again.

1242
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,920
Take that on board.

1243
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:51,160
Don't write yourself up as the worst human ever because their experience might be different

1244
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:56,840
to someone else's, but do kind of think about it as how did that experience shape me?

1245
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,680
How am I going to learn from this experience?

1246
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,600
And how am I going to better myself in a situation if that occurs again?

1247
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:07,080
Yeah, I think it's interesting because it's also like how you feel about a situation,

1248
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,840
it's not how it's necessarily being read.

1249
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:20,000
Like I've got a lot that, and this is, I'm talking about first impressions now, that

1250
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,920
I've been called intimidating a lot.

1251
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,560
And it used to confuse the fuck out of me.

1252
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,920
I'm so confused.

1253
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:43,160
And I think what it actually is, is that I'm shy and, you know, have social anxiety and,

1254
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:48,760
you know, I'm not going to be the one in the center of the room trying to make friends

1255
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:49,760
with everyone.

1256
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,760
No.

1257
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,920
And not because I don't want to be friends with everyone, just because like I don't feel

1258
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:02,520
comfortable going up to random people and, you know, being like, I'm not extroverted

1259
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:03,520
like that.

1260
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,240
And I've got friends who are and who, you know, every time you go out, you come home

1261
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,880
with like five new friends.

1262
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,240
And I'll latch on to those people because I don't know how to do it.

1263
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,200
And I think that's what it is that like people are like, yeah, you're really intimidating

1264
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,200
when I first met you, like I was scared to go up to you.

1265
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,240
And I'm like, I was scared to go up to you, but not because you're intimidating, because

1266
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,720
I was scared to go up to people.

1267
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:28,720
Yeah.

1268
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:34,760
And it's like, it's weird kind of thinking about that dichotomy and like, you know, how

1269
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:41,240
there's always a way that it's being perceived in a way that it's being lived.

1270
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,720
I mean, like, yeah, and a hundred percent.

1271
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,880
And I sort of noticed that when we did the giant fetishute, where it's like, you know,

1272
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,440
watching everyone interact differently.

1273
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:53,960
And that was kind of like a social experiment in a way in the back of my head.

1274
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:59,080
Because, oh man, and that, that day, I think I just felt incredibly stressed.

1275
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,800
I was running around like a headless goose, but I remember watching everyone at one point,

1276
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,840
I managed to actually focus on what everyone was doing.

1277
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:10,040
And I remember once everyone was in the room together, who was really loud and who was

1278
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,960
very comfortable making friends and who wasn't.

1279
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,800
And I remember you in particular was just very much like, cool, there's a bunch of people

1280
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,400
here and the same with Stav.

1281
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:24,120
Like you and Stav kind of just stood off as being like, okay, cool, that's fine.

1282
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,840
I don't want to kind of befriend everyone.

1283
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,920
I'm happy just kind of staying in my corners and being like, you know, enjoying the moments.

1284
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:37,080
But I think it was very much like you had Lachlan or you had Hannah and you had everyone

1285
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:43,000
else just going and chatting and making stories as they went.

1286
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:49,320
And I think that when you have this balance of boisterous personalities versus, I think,

1287
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:55,320
shy and or like, you know, social anxiety, it's easy because like I'm like you when

1288
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,680
I'm in a big scenario, I just kind of go, okay, cool.

1289
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,760
I'm going to just slink away into the background.

1290
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:04,400
Yeah, I think it's weird though, because I do, I latch onto those people and like,

1291
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:10,960
I love it when I don't have to, you know, start it.

1292
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:11,960
Yeah.

1293
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,360
I don't mind if I'm out, like if people come up to me, I don't mind it.

1294
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,360
But you're just like, you don't want to stop.

1295
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:19,360
Yeah, I just can't.

1296
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:20,360
I don't know what it is.

1297
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:27,240
And I think it's also just like, you know, thinking too much about what other people

1298
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,800
might think.

1299
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:35,440
Even though it's like so irrational, like it's so irrational.

1300
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:36,920
Maybe I'm just really intimidating.

1301
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:37,920
Identical.

1302
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,120
I'm just going to hang on to the fact that everyone thinks you're intimidating.

1303
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:46,160
I just think you're, I definitely the first time I met you, I definitely thought you were

1304
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:47,160
shy.

1305
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,200
But I didn't think you were intimidating at all.

1306
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:56,560
I thought you were just like reserved and shy and a bit anxious.

1307
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:57,560
And that was about it.

1308
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:58,560
Yeah, that's fair.

1309
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:05,640
I mean, like, I definitely, do you think that's more of an accurate statement?

1310
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:12,720
Well, I think in social settings, like I get it because it's the people that I get intimidating

1311
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,760
from are the people who are like my closest friends.

1312
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:25,920
Who, yeah, it would have been situations like, you know, first day of high school.

1313
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,800
Or first day of uni.

1314
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,040
And it's just those situations where everyone's kind of new.

1315
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,360
And everyone's trying to latch on to people.

1316
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,240
But some people are better at it than others.

1317
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:43,440
And then it's just like, you need to like, like, I remember meeting the guy who's my

1318
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,100
housemate now.

1319
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,480
And it was like, yeah, it was before we'd started uni.

1320
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:49,720
It was like the week before.

1321
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:55,720
We'd had a group chat already because we had each other's email addresses and created

1322
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:00,160
a Facebook group chat and some people were moving out and some people weren't.

1323
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,280
And then we were like, right, let's go for drinks.

1324
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,200
Like who wants to come?

1325
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,320
I think that's the best way to get to know people.

1326
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,400
We played like drinking games.

1327
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:15,400
So it was like we knew each other's deepest, darkest secrets before we knew people's last

1328
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,760
names really.

1329
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,760
And we became so close as a cohort.

1330
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,760
This is uni now, not year seven.

1331
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:27,160
Yeah, I was about to say that was very, year seven, year seven drinking.

1332
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:28,160
Don't encourage.

1333
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,720
No, this is uni.

1334
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:39,640
But yeah, I think I would just, you know, was sitting on a couch next to someone and

1335
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:44,760
he's the type of person that makes friends with everyone and can start conversations

1336
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,040
easily.

1337
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,400
And it's so weird because then it's like, well, okay, as soon as you've got like one

1338
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,400
person that you know and can latch onto, that's it.

1339
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:56,680
You're set.

1340
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,280
You can now it's fine.

1341
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,280
Now you're comfortable.

1342
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:08,720
But yeah, it's so I'm terrible at like being the only person that I know in a room.

1343
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:09,960
Yeah.

1344
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,960
Like really bad.

1345
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,920
I hate going anywhere by myself.

1346
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:13,920
Really?

1347
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:14,920
Yeah.

1348
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:15,920
So you always have to have someone.

1349
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:16,920
Yeah.

1350
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,400
I drag people with me everywhere I go.

1351
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,400
That's interesting.

1352
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:23,400
Yeah.

1353
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:28,800
The amount of times I text my best friend in the like most random times and I'm like,

1354
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,480
I'm just driving near your house.

1355
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:34,760
Can you like come and get a chip?

1356
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:35,760
A chip?

1357
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:36,760
A single villachip?

1358
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,720
I'm like, do you want to just like drive to the petrol station with me or something?

1359
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,840
Cause I'm like, please don't leave me alone.

1360
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:43,840
Wow.

1361
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:49,680
So you're just like, don't like you're that like level of anxiety kind of just makes you

1362
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,480
stresses you out of being alone.

1363
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:53,480
Yeah.

1364
01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:54,840
I, I don't know what it is.

1365
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,040
I'm like, this is so embarrassing for me.

1366
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,040
It's fair though.

1367
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,040
It's a fair experience.

1368
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,040
You're like, oh dear God.

1369
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,040
Yeah.

1370
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,920
Um, no, there's, I mean like that's a totally valid experience, but I mean like, yeah, the

1371
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:13,400
stress would be like, um, ah, yeah, that's bizarre.

1372
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,440
But it sounds like, it sounds like you're on top of it.

1373
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:18,000
You have coping mechanisms.

1374
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,200
Like I said, I'm self-aware.

1375
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:27,200
Cause you know, what's your main mission for the, I guess for self-improvement in the next

1376
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,440
like few years, have you got a self-improvement plan?

1377
01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:31,440
Whoa.

1378
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:35,560
That's how your deepest darkest self-improvement plan.

1379
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,080
Um, I don't know.

1380
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:41,720
I think it's, I'd like my room to be cleaner.

1381
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:51,480
No, I genuinely like taking time to do those things like self-care and you know, make sure

1382
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:57,600
I have clean clothes and you know, once I do have clean clothes, put them back in drawers.

1383
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:58,600
I know, right?

1384
01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:59,600
That's a challenge.

1385
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:00,600
Yeah.

1386
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:01,600
I can't do it.

1387
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,480
Maybe procrastinate less would be fun.

1388
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:09,640
And that's why I keep myself so busy so I don't have time to think about like other

1389
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:15,240
things because what I do is like, I'll have like an hour free and I'm like, great.

1390
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,440
I can do washing, but I don't.

1391
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:25,120
I sit on TikTok for an hour, which is not productive at all.

1392
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,000
And then it all gets left behind.

1393
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,040
Oh my God.

1394
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:36,960
So yeah, I think, yeah, not procrastinating as much.

1395
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:43,000
And just to be honest, next few years, letting loose.

1396
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,000
Yeah.

1397
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,000
Getting lit.

1398
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,000
Getting lit.

1399
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,000
Getting lit.

1400
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:53,080
Just, you know, like getting rid of inhibitions.

1401
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:58,960
And I think I've been doing that a bit where it's just, you know, dedicate a night to go

1402
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,800
out and that is your only goal.

1403
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:02,840
Just to like go out.

1404
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:08,840
You don't have to worry about how you're going to get home or where you end up or like how

1405
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,120
much money you're spending.

1406
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,760
You can worry about that in the morning.

1407
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:24,960
And it's just kind of like not stressing about things for once because I spent, like I, most

1408
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:33,640
of high school, I was thinking about my career when everyone else was developing as normal

1409
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,960
humans.

1410
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:41,640
And it was kind of like neglected and now that I'm like not studying anymore, like I,

1411
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:47,160
this is my first year not in formal education.

1412
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:53,480
And it's kind of freeing in a way that it's like, well, I can, I don't have to stress

1413
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:55,000
about much.

1414
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,240
I just have to make sure that I get to work on time.

1415
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,480
And that's about it.

1416
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:03,920
And otherwise get lit and get drunk.

1417
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:04,920
Yeah.

1418
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:05,920
Yeah.

1419
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,120
And just live in that moment.

1420
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,120
Yeah.

1421
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,200
Because, and especially now I live like in the city.

1422
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:18,640
I used to live in the suburbs and if I went out, I'd be way more concerned about when

1423
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,280
the last bus was.

1424
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:21,280
Yeah.

1425
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:30,880
And, you know, going home to my parents' house and being like fine enough to function

1426
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:35,360
in that environment.

1427
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,200
That yeah, it just wasn't as fun.

1428
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:38,800
It wasn't free.

1429
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:43,120
It was kind of restrained.

1430
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:47,720
And now you're kind of like living out of home and there's a little bit of independence.

1431
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,520
Yeah.

1432
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:55,200
And yeah, just like, I'm not worried about that stuff anymore.

1433
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,520
I mean, you are your own person.

1434
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,600
And yes, yeah, the moment you move out of home, it's just kind of like, oh, that's

1435
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,600
right.

1436
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,640
I can do whatever the fuck I want, which is kind of nice.

1437
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:03,640
It's very nice.

1438
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:11,000
Because I remember like I went out drinking once and it was kind of like a semi-date.

1439
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,480
And I remember like I had moved back home with my parents.

1440
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:16,520
So I was mid-twenties at the point.

1441
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,960
I was like, I don't feel comfortable bringing people back to my parents' house.

1442
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:25,840
I'd rather always felt way more comfortable bringing them back to my own place or a shared

1443
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,280
house, but not my parents' house.

1444
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:31,280
It's kind of weird.

1445
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:32,280
Yeah.

1446
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,960
And I was just like, oh, I can do what I want.

1447
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,680
Like last night I finished work at like 11.

1448
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:43,440
Um, went to the beach.

1449
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:46,160
I don't know why, just to chill, get some fresh air.

1450
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:47,160
Just sit there.

1451
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:48,160
No one cares.

1452
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:49,160
I went with my house.

1453
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:50,160
I wasn't alone on the beach.

1454
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:51,160
You can't be alone.

1455
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,160
I have to drive people with me places.

1456
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,160
Yeah, I know what I was about to say.

1457
01:28:55,160 --> 01:29:04,080
Well, we literally just like sat on the beach and chilled for like half an hour or something.

1458
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,160
And then we were like, okay, time to sleep.

1459
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:07,160
Time to sleep.

1460
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,160
Time for bed.

1461
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,160
Um, yeah.

1462
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,040
I was like, who cares?

1463
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:16,600
I've had pancakes on the rocks at least once a week for the past three months.

1464
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:17,600
Holy crap.

1465
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:18,600
How's your budget for that?

1466
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:19,600
It's not good.

1467
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,000
They don't split bills.

1468
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,080
No, they don't.

1469
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,520
It's very sad and annoying.

1470
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:24,520
It sucks.

1471
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,240
So you end up paying like $50.

1472
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:27,240
Yeah.

1473
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,760
Um, but it's like, who's going to stop me?

1474
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:31,760
No one.

1475
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:32,760
Bored?

1476
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:33,760
Pancakes on the rocks.

1477
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:34,760
They're the only place open till midnight.

1478
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:35,760
They used to be open 24 seven.

1479
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:36,760
Yeah, they're understaffed.

1480
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:37,760
Ah, that explains why.

1481
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:38,760
I miss the days when you could go at 2am and just.

1482
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:39,760
That's a recent thing.

1483
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:40,760
I miss the days when you could go at 2am and just.

1484
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:41,760
Yeah.

1485
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:42,760
I've been there at 4am many, many a times.

1486
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:43,760
I've been there very, very many times drunk.

1487
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:44,760
Drunk off my face.

1488
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:45,760
Yeah.

1489
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:46,760
I've been there at 4am.

1490
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:47,760
Drunk off my face.

1491
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:48,760
Drunk off my face.

1492
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:49,760
Drunk off my face.

1493
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:50,760
Drunk off my face.

1494
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,800
Drunk off my face.

1495
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,800
Drunk off my face.

1496
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:58,800
Good times.

1497
01:29:58,800 --> 01:29:59,800
How I miss.

1498
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:00,800
I can't drink.

1499
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:01,800
I can't get drunk like I used to when I was young.

1500
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:02,800
There's something about hangovers now.

1501
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:08,440
Something about lockdown did like, for all my friends after lockdown, they were like,

1502
01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:09,640
I have no tolerance.

1503
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,520
I get hangovers so quickly now.

1504
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:12,760
I was the opposite.

1505
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:17,280
I used to always be really hung over and then we had lockdown and I didn't drink because

1506
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,280
I was with my parents.

1507
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,200
Like I never really got drunk.

1508
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:28,120
And then I am both a lightweight and don't get hung over.

1509
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:34,800
So I get really drunk very quickly and cheaply and feel great when I have to go to work at

1510
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,840
8am the next day.

1511
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:46,000
I am both like annoyed by that, but also jealous because I want that ability.

1512
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,000
Yeah.

1513
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:54,480
I was like, everyone who made fun of me before lockdown for getting hung over and being lightweight,

1514
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:55,480
jokes on that.

1515
01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:56,480
Oh my God.

1516
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:57,480
Yeah.

1517
01:30:57,480 --> 01:30:58,480
Oh my God.

1518
01:30:58,480 --> 01:30:59,480
Now I need your superpower.

1519
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:06,720
Now I need you to just get really sloshed on cheap because I'm an expensive drunk.

1520
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:07,720
Unfortunately.

1521
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,400
I just also like expensive drinks.

1522
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:10,400
Yeah.

1523
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,160
Just like buy, what was it?

1524
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:13,160
Marble bar.

1525
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:14,160
Anything with cocktails.

1526
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:15,160
I love cocktails.

1527
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,160
Yeah.

1528
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:17,160
I love cocktails.

1529
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:18,160
Please heal.

1530
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,960
But I'm going to use this drinking story to wrap us up.

1531
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:28,080
I'm going to ask though, where can people find you on the internet?

1532
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,040
Where can they stalk you on the socials?

1533
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,040
Oh God.

1534
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:35,440
You looked so concerned when I said that.

1535
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:37,240
I was like, don't give them your address.

1536
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,240
No.

1537
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:39,240
I can't even remember my address.

1538
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:40,240
That's not true.

1539
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:41,240
I have a very good memory.

1540
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:48,320
Probably Instagram, Instagram is my favorite social media.

1541
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:49,320
Yeah.

1542
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,840
Am I going to have to say it right?

1543
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:52,840
Yeah, you are.

1544
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:53,840
Okay.

1545
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,480
It is at Freya underscore Lily 13.

1546
01:31:57,480 --> 01:31:58,480
Wow.

1547
01:31:58,480 --> 01:31:59,480
Crazy.

1548
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:03,200
Is it because you're original?

1549
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:04,760
Is Lily your middle name?

1550
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:05,760
Sure is.

1551
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,160
And 13, was that how old you were when you made it?

1552
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,360
No, I wasn't allowed Instagram.

1553
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:17,960
I was, oh, maybe I was 13, but that's why I don't know.

1554
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:18,960
No, no, no.

1555
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,920
I was definitely, I was in like year nine or something.

1556
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:21,920
I was late.

1557
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:22,920
I was like 15.

1558
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:23,920
Oh, okay.

1559
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,720
I don't know why it's 13.

1560
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,440
That's just like has been everything.

1561
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:32,600
My email is 113 because 13 was taken.

1562
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:33,600
Wow.

1563
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:34,600
Yeah.

1564
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:35,600
It's just, I don't know.

1565
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,520
It's like the, you know, angsty teenage.

1566
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,520
It's a lucky number, but it's unlucky.

1567
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,320
Look at you angsty teen.

1568
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:45,320
Yeah.

1569
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:46,320
Oh my God.

1570
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:47,320
Super cool.

1571
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:48,320
So cool.

1572
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,320
But no, thank you for joining me.

1573
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:50,320
It's been an absolute pleasure.

1574
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:51,320
Yes.

1575
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:52,320
Thank you for having me.

1576
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:53,320
I hope you've had fun.

1577
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:54,320
Yeah.

1578
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,320
I don't even remember what we spoke about, so it'll be fun.

1579
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:57,320
Well, don't worry.

1580
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:58,320
You get to listen to it all back.

1581
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:03,320
And if you want to go and check out more episodes of the things we do, you can check them out

1582
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,320
on Apple and Spotify.

1583
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:05,320
I'll be sure to put them up on the screen.

1584
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:10,320
And if you want to go and check out more episodes of the things we do, you can check them out

1585
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,320
on Apple and Spotify.

1586
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:12,320
I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later.

1587
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:36,280
Okay.