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I'll say it like it's the first time.

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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film life, television culture, mental

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health and all of that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend Dominic Shields.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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I love that you drove all the way up from Melbourne.

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Was this partially just to come here and also just have a little mini holiday for yourself?

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Yeah.

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I haven't had a holiday in like five years.

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So I respect that.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, why not?

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I'm just going to drive.

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I'm going to drive for nine hours.

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Did you do it in one day?

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Yeah.

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That's impressive.

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Thank you so much.

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I all or nothing.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, I stopped off along the way and I saw weird stuff.

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I saw the big sub.

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Do you guys know about this?

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It's crazy.

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I saw your Instagram voice and I was like, what the fuck are you looking at?

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What are these sizes?

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Dude, I don't even know.

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Like I just was, I was looking on the map like a couple of days ago and I was like,

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what's some stuff that I can see?

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And then a couple of friends that came down for Melbourne Film Fest were like, yeah, go

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and see the big sub.

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And I was like, what the fuck is that?

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And they were like, it's a giant submarine.

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And I'm like, okay.

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That was all the information they gave me.

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They're like, you have to see it.

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Yeah.

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Like we can't explain it to you.

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I was like, all right.

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So I get there and it's literally like a park, like opposite of primary school with a giant

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submarine in the middle.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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That's the reaction is like, cool.

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It's like a music, like a mini museum, a giant submarine and a cafe and a skate park.

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Like that's it.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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I was like, what the fuck?

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So people were like, this is a major tourist attraction.

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Literally.

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There were so many people that stopped to like get out and have a look.

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I mean, they were like older people and like families, like I get it.

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But like it was like me, I was like the medium age.

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Everyone was either like 85 years old or like seven.

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There was no, I was the in between.

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So you were the only one in their twenties going, this is sick.

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I was like, this is sick.

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This is sick.

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What a cool thing.

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Took some photos and left.

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I mean like, isn't that just like a pre, like that is clearly also just us not giving a

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shit.

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Well, yeah.

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And it's also like major post lockdown vibe.

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I know.

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I'm like, what can I go look at a giant submarine?

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Fuck it.

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Yeah, may as well.

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I don't care.

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Isn't that the weirdest thing about like post lockdown syndrome is that like Stockholm

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syndrome is completely different.

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Sorry.

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You okay?

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Almost said that instead.

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No, like post lockdown syndrome is kind of this weird in between.

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And yeah, it's just kind of like, how do you process that?

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How do you go out into the wild?

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I have no idea because I like don't leave my house.

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So it's like, I mean, I do, obviously I'm not a total hermit, but like, yeah, I haven't

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been on holiday for like five years.

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So I was like, I just want to see stuff.

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Like, I just want to look at stuff that I haven't seen before, like the big set or,

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or just like new, I think cause our brain, we get so used to seeing the same thing every

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day and like the same locations and suburbs and whatever.

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And then when you have the opportunity to go out and like see something else, you're

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like, Oh, what dad?

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So you just like, you just excited by it.

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Do you literally go up to everything and go, Oh, what dad?

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I mean, maybe I did the lot like yesterday.

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I was like, cool.

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And it's like, literally it's just like inane stuff.

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It was like a monument to, I don't know, like 1851.

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And I'm like, yeah, okay.

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Cool.

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Why is that here?

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I think also it's like an innate curiosity of like the past.

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Of like, how did, how did you get here?

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Like why you, what's that?

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I think it's more interesting when I see things that shouldn't be there, like not necessarily.

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I feel like I'm more fascinated by things that like literally have ended up in random

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spots for no other reason than they're just there and no one can explain why.

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Like there was a ship in the middle of a forest and no one can explain why the hell it's there.

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And I love that because I'm like, did like a tornado happen?

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Who put that there?

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I mean, it's not like it's not a tornado, but it's like, you know, hundreds of kilos,

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like it's thousands.

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She's not like...

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No, she hasn't lost weight.

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Yeah, she's empty.

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But no, like I feel like, you know, that's the kind of process and then, but yeah, when

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I go and see things, like, I don't know, I did a lot of road trips with my dad when

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I was younger and I've done that whole like, oh, you know, as a kid, but as an adult, I'm

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just like, it's a town.

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I guess so.

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Like it's nice.

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I've got nothing to sneeze at for the people who live here.

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For sure.

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But you know, like, I guess I'm like, cool.

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It's a sub.

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Yeah, literally.

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I guess also because it's like, you've got, like, you've seen one small town, you've seen

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them all kind of thing.

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I know that they've all got their like own little kitschy thing or like their own whatever,

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their own little bit of, but like, I don't know.

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I love that you used both hands like you're about to explain something.

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Yeah, and then I'm like, this is not a visual medium.

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They can only hear my voice.

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So they will have to do.

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Calling the horses in.

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But yeah, they've got like their own little thing and you're like, oh, cool.

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Great.

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I don't need to stop at every one.

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I mean, you've got the world's best vanilla slice.

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They've got the world's best vanilla slice.

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Like, it's not like I was on the way here and it was like literally middle of nowhere.

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It was probably like 8pm last night, middle of nowhere and it was like world famous Devon

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Shetty.

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And I'm like, who?

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To whom?

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I'm like, because it was literally like the middle of nowhere.

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There was nothing there.

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It was like a highway.

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I'm like, who is coming here and saying these things?

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I was like, what is going on?

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I thought it was very interesting drive for me.

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I feel like it's a very American as well because when you drive in the States, there's a lot

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of world.

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World famous, voted best number one.

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And I'm like, it tastes like garbage.

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But sure.

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This tastes like a swamp, but thank you so much.

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It's also like, I feel, you know, and no offense to people who live in the middle of nowhere,

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but some of the food is really good.

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And then some of the food just tastes like they've scraped off the bottom of the barrel

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or like the grill has just solidified all the like gunk and slapped it into a burger.

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I have such upset.

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Oh, that's how you know, to think about.

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Yeah, it's true though.

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It is.

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Some of it's great.

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Some of it's not so great.

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It's also like, it's a hit or miss.

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It's a mixed bag.

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It was a thing.

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If you have any dietary requirements during you're in the middle of bum fuck, nowhere.

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Yeah, dude, I'm a gluten free vegan.

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Do you know how hard my life is?

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Oh my God.

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And I'm intolerant to like everything.

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My condolences to you.

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Thank you.

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Namaste.

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I mean, like I, I respect like some of my friends are vegan.

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I'm like, okay, cool.

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But when you're gluten free on top of that.

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And I can't eat chickpeas.

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I found out this year.

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Have they got gluten?

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No, I just can't digest chickpeas.

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I think or something.

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That's sad.

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Because do you want to know the number one ingredient in most vegan things?

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And coconut.

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Two things I cannot consume.

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What?

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It's ridiculous.

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My life is a joke.

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This is like the worst time to be vegan.

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I mean, for me.

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It's just solely for you.

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I'm struggling.

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Like this morning I ate leaves.

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I just had a nice bit of fresh air for breakfast this morning just to really get me going.

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Do you know how pressitarians?

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Oh, they aren't the people that just are like, yeah, good to go.

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Hate it.

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And like I had a friend trying to convince me that pressitarians was the reason I, you

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know, like a good way of life.

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I was like, how do you get your nutrients?

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And I'm like, oh, I absorb it from the sun.

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I'm like, well, like photosynthesis.

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I'm like, we're not plants.

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Like, please tell me.

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Just, just leave some spinach or something.

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Yeah.

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From a scientific basis.

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This is not how we work.

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How bizarre.

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I know.

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I mean, I don't want to yuck anyone's yum.

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Like live your life.

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But like, that's quite the opposite.

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I mean, I don't want to yuck anyone's yum.

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Like, live your life.

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But like, that's quite the opposite.

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I mean, I don't want to yuck anyone's yum.

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Like live your life, but like that's quite wild to me.

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I mean, like, because I'm, I lived as a vegetarian for like two years and actually really preferred

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it over being a meat eater.

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I love cheese too much.

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It's like my Achilles heel.

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And I just can't get into vegan cheese.

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It's something about it.

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It's disgusting.

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It's because it's like, it doesn't melt properly or it doesn't.

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It has like, it's like rubbery in like a weird and not like the American cheese kind of way.

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Because that makes sense to me.

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Because it's like Maccas cheese.

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You know what I mean?

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Whereas like vegan cheese, you're like, oh.

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It's just sad as well because when you melt it, it burns.

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It catches fire.

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And you're like, great.

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And then you sit there and you go, oh no.

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But I do love like going to places and having like vegan or vegetarian food because it's

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so delicious.

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It's so good.

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And you're like, oh, a little treat for me.

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Thank you so much.

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It's also because I'm lactose intolerant and like, like condolences to you.

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Thank you.

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So you're on the Achilles heel.

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And also like, I don't know.

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I just don't like meat that much.

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I like meat, but I don't.

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Do you not like cooking it?

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Is that like a thing?

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No, I, there's also a problem.

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Cause that's like a lot of my friends.

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They're like, I eat predominantly like a vegan vegetarian at home, but then they'll eat meat

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outside of home because like someone else is doing it because they don't want to like

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either prepare it or they aren't comfortable cooking it or they just like, can't be bothered.

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I mean, it is a lot of process and it's a lot of oil.

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Yeah.

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From what I remember.

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Yeah.

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Back in the day.

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Well, I've been like, uh, I was, I became vegetarian when I was 14.

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So wow.

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Yeah.

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And I've been vegan since I was like 19.

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I'm 28 now.

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So quite a while.

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I respect that.

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Thank you.

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It's crazy.

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You're like, what a, what a turn of events.

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This is where I'm at.

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I do want to backtrack us to the first question I'm going to ask you because this is a podcast.

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Um, I'm going to get everyone, you to explain to everyone on the internet who you are Dom

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and what you do.

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Great.

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Hi, I'm Dom.

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Um, my full name is Dominique, but please call me Dom.

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It's otherwise I feel like I'm getting in trouble.

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Dominique.

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No, mum.

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I'm an actor.

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I'm a writer.

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I model occasionally.

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I raise guide dog puppies and I have a pet sitting business.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I do a lot of things.

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You're a very big entrepreneur.

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I am.

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I get bored easily.

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I think is my, I respect that though as well, but all the conversations we had, you're like

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aloof.

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I don't even think from the get go you were like, aloof, me mysterious.

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I'm a real celebrity.

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Secret celebrity.

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No, it's so funny when I messaged you the first time you, you're a sheer level of why

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me?

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Why talk to her?

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I don't know.

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I think it's a thing of like, nobody really kind of thinks that they're interesting.

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I mean, some people do like egomaniac, but like, or very confident people.

321
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Yeah, I know.

322
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But yeah, I don't know.

323
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It's kind of like, oh, okay.

324
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I mean, if you want to chat, we can chat.

325
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I mean, I just, I don't know what to say.

326
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Yeah.

327
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I mean, look at me now.

328
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I'm trying to use my hands in a podcast.

329
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I know I can't help you there.

330
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I'm like keeping hold of them.

331
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So I don't know.

332
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She's sitting there and just going, sit on those so I can not move.

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No, I think it's also really interesting because you run so many businesses, which is a very

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active thing to do as well.

335
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I mean like a creative thing to do.

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I'll put that in brackets really.

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What came first though, what was like your childhood interest first was acting, writing,

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pet sit business.

339
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Yeah.

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When I, when I was seven, I was like, you know what I want to do?

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I want to have a pet sitting business.

342
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Yeah.

343
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No, I started performing when I was four and a half.

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So quite some time ago.

345
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Yeah, I got involved in sort of my mom took me to, cause my brother's played sport.

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So she's like, you need something to do, I guess, like help you make friends, like become

347
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a bit more confident, you know, like get out of your comfort zone, I guess.

348
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And sport clearly is not that.

349
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Well, I am not, I was bullied a lot in sports.

350
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So I really wanted to play hockey, but they bullied me out of the tryouts, like the team

351
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tryouts cause they, yeah, they, I don't know.

352
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This was pretty savage.

353
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I was like 10 years old.

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It was insane.

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They were like trying to like knock my stick and like hit me in the shins and like, they

356
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were like, we don't want anyone new in the team.

357
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And I was like, oh my God.

358
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Okay.

359
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Wow.

360
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I hate swimmer though.

361
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So it was quite nice to kind of have a, like that was my outlet for a really long time.

362
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Um, but yeah, so she took me to this like community center thing and they had like ballet

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classes or they had like a drama class.

364
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And I was like, dancing sucks, which I regret because ballet is such a beautiful art form.

365
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And I really wish I could do it.

366
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I'm a giant.

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So I could never actually be a ballerina because there's like height restrictions or something,

368
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which I didn't know about.

369
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Isn't it like five foot?

370
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Yeah.

371
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I don't know.

372
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Like five, five, five.

373
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I have no idea.

374
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Basically you have to lock off some like feet.

375
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I have to, yeah.

376
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Most of me count me off at the, at the knees.

377
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Um, and I was like, Oh, I don't really want to do that.

378
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That looks boring to me and I'm uncoordinated.

379
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So it makes sense.

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And then, so I went next door and I saw all these like costumes and these people like

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running around doing all these like crazy things.

382
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And I was like, that's what I want to do.

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Like that's my thing.

384
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And then I joined and yeah, we did every, it was like, like amateur theater.

385
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So it was like plays, it was musicals.

386
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I did cabaret for a really long time.

387
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Um, they got me to dance a lot, which I wasn't very good at.

388
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So they put me at the back, um, cause I was a giant, um, and also uncoordinated.

389
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So just a giant and uncoordinated.

390
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I'm like a baby giraffe on roller skates has been the way to describe me.

391
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Is that self description?

392
00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,400
Uh, no, that's from, from others.

393
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That's what they used to say when I used to model.

394
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Wow.

395
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Yeah, they were like, you're kind of like a baby giraffe on roller skates.

396
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Cause I don't wear high heels.

397
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So they're like, what's that?

398
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What are you doing?

399
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You need to practice this.

400
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And so I tried and they're like, Oh my God, it's too much for you.

401
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Like this is a nightmare.

402
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And yeah, it's very funny to watch.

403
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,880
So you did, you basically, your mom put you into sort of doing acting.

404
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Yeah.

405
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Well, she didn't like force me into it.

406
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It's something that you find interesting.

407
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And I was like, yeah, like it's really fun.

408
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And then I met my, my best friends doing that as well.

409
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So my best friend, Emma, who I've known for like 20 years, we met there when we were little

410
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babies doing amateur theater.

411
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She's like, you're the only one that actually took it seriously.

412
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So that's why you're doing what you're doing now.

413
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Having a career.

414
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Yeah.

415
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I'm crazy.

416
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Um, yeah, so I did that.

417
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And then I was like writing stories and stuff when I was little and kind of, I wrote my

418
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first ever published work was called the magic camel.

419
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That's cute.

420
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It was very cute.

421
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,360
So I wrote this story when I was probably like six or seven and I illustrated it and I took

422
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it to my librarian at my primary school.

423
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Cause she was like encouraging me to like do that.

424
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She's like, Oh, I always see you like drawing in the library and like writing stories.

425
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So like the next one you do, bring it in and show me.

426
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And she's like, Oh, I'll, I'll give it to me and I'll have a look at it.

427
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And then I'll give it back to you tomorrow.

428
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And I was like, Oh, okay.

429
00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:35,720
So I came back the next day to pick up my work from the editor and she'd bound the book

430
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for me and like laminated the cover and she'd like displayed it in the library so that everyone

431
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could see.

432
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And I was very embarrassed.

433
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So it was very cute though.

434
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So I was like, Oh, that's really fun.

435
00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,080
She's like, this could be something that you can do.

436
00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,080
Like when you get older, that's what I'm doing now.

437
00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,240
And with two published books later.

438
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,240
So that was really cute.

439
00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,120
So I kind of been doing those things like my whole life pretty much.

440
00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,120
That's like very creative.

441
00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,120
Yeah.

442
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,640
I was a very creative, um, strange little kid.

443
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So I was always like drawing something or like making voices.

444
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And like I used to, uh, my brothers would like game on like computer game or whatever.

445
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And so I, we had this like, what's it called?

446
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Like a boom box.

447
00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:20,640
Oh yeah.

448
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Like a stereo thing.

449
00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,880
So I used to get these like little cassettes and I used to create like, I don't even know

450
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what you, it's like a radio show, I guess, like these little stories and like little

451
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characters and stuff.

452
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And I would record them while my brothers were gaming.

453
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Cause the sounds would influence what I was doing.

454
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And then we'd be like, I'd get them involved and we'd be talking about stuff.

455
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So it'd be like this little radio play.

456
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That's cute.

457
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So cute.

458
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,000
So annoying for them.

459
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They're just trying to live their life playing like Grand Theft Auto.

460
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And I'm like, hello, like in the back.

461
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,080
So being, being the cute little sister, I was a absolute pest.

462
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I just wanted them to hang out with me.

463
00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,160
I mean, please.

464
00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,480
Well, cause we're all five years apart.

465
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So it's, um, yeah.

466
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So it's quite, it was tricky when I was little.

467
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Right.

468
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,320
So what there's five years between all, all three of us.

469
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Yeah.

470
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So five between me and my closest brother and then 10 between me and my oldest brother.

471
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Wow.

472
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That is very specific.

473
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Yeah.

474
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It wasn't intentional.

475
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My mom just did it that way.

476
00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:23,120
Wow.

477
00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:24,120
Yeah.

478
00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:28,200
I mean like kudos to having three kids and being five years apart.

479
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,000
I mean, you kind of get a bit of out of the terrible twos.

480
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000
Yeah.

481
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,440
Like get into the, oh, okay.

482
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,880
They're mature enough to understand.

483
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They'll do.

484
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They'll figure it out.

485
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They'll understand that there's another one coming.

486
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I think it's like, um, cause yeah, like, but that's great.

487
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,400
I mean, like it sounds like your childhood was very similar to mine.

488
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I remember like having the cassette tape and which, by the way, when you said that, that

489
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was a flush to the past.

490
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Like anyone who doesn't know what a cassette tape is and is a lot younger than both of

491
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us.

492
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Um, they were sort of this, you know, it was pretty CD-ROM and you had like this like,

493
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um, type in it, which had like film related, like chemicals on it.

494
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It would record at a certain speed, it would get hot enough to then able to imprint on

495
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it information.

496
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And yeah, that's like how we used to record voices.

497
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They sounded terrible because they were like cheap and shitty and stuff like that.

498
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,360
And you'd be like talking so close to like the speaker.

499
00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,000
So you'd be like, I'm making a podcast.

500
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,000
Yeah.

501
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,000
I know.

502
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Like whatever.

503
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,720
Um, and, but yeah, it was like this cute little analog thing.

504
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,560
And I used to record little audio books when I was a kid.

505
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,120
I used to read my books into it.

506
00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:45,120
That's really sweet.

507
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,120
I used to do that too.

508
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,160
I was like, this is fun.

509
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,840
Um, and look at you now.

510
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:50,840
I know.

511
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,840
Now I'm doing a podcast.

512
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,560
It's, it all checks out.

513
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,560
I know it really does.

514
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,800
Although I did this thing and I don't know if you did it, but on the way home, I was

515
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like civilian ability as well.

516
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,140
So I, I kind of like drama was my outlet.

517
00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:09,040
And I remember once on the way home, cause I, when I was kind of like in year seven to

518
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,720
10 drama was still pretty new to me.

519
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,480
Because like, obviously you don't have any new one to six, like, and I didn't know what

520
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,320
it was because it's like, you don't, you just kind of go, Oh, I'm creative.

521
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,800
But what does that actually entail?

522
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:29,060
Like, um, and I remember like making up stories by myself on the way home and talking to myself.

523
00:20:29,060 --> 00:20:31,720
And as weird as that sounds now as an adult, I still do that.

524
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,840
It's like this little therapeutic thing, but I used to do all these voices and, um, it

525
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,680
was coming into like voice acting.

526
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,860
So it's like, you know, you just do things.

527
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:45,940
And I think it's like how you process things as a child and then you suddenly like throw

528
00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:49,080
it into your adulthood and you're like, Oh, that's right.

529
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,480
I'm still crazy, but I get paid for it.

530
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,560
But someone likes to pay me for these wonderful crazy things.

531
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,560
Yeah.

532
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,560
Yeah.

533
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,280
Like it's nice though, that like you kind of, and it's like, you figure out what you

534
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,280
like and what you don't like, and you're kind of finding avenues to express who you are

535
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:13,280
and the feelings that you have, and then you're kind of able to see that it is a possibility.

536
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,620
Which is really nice.

537
00:21:14,620 --> 00:21:17,840
And you're able to see like, Oh, it's not just me that does that thing.

538
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,200
There are other people and they're like, Oh my God, they're successful at doing it or

539
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,600
they're enjoying what they're doing.

540
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,920
So the self success, I guess.

541
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,880
I mean, do you, do you then sort of like consider yourself successful?

542
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:36,120
I mean, like, because you know how people sort of validate what success is very different.

543
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:40,120
Do you think that you've kind of led a very successful life?

544
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:41,120
I think so.

545
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:47,320
I think because I mean, it all depends on how you measure success.

546
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,320
Right.

547
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,960
So for me, being successful is being able to be creative every single day and then being

548
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,960
able to do an art form every day.

549
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,240
So that's what I'm able to do.

550
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,240
Like I'm able to do things like this, or I'm able to meet other creative people, or I'm

551
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,960
able to do a play or be in a film or do TV or voice acting or whatever it might be.

552
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,920
Or I'm painting or I'm writing every day.

553
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,680
Like, so that's how I kind of measure my success.

554
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,440
So I feel like if I'd said to younger me, this is what you're doing.

555
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,040
Like this is how your life's going to go.

556
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,080
I'd be like, cool.

557
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,080
That's nice.

558
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,080
Sick.

559
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,080
Sick.

560
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,080
A younger you would have been like, yeah.

561
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,080
Yeah, boy.

562
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,080
Nice.

563
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,080
I'm fine now.

564
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,080
Yeah, this is going to be great.

565
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,200
Yeah, like because you, you know, you're doing something that you love and that brings you

566
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,200
so much joy.

567
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,200
Yeah.

568
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,900
So I think that that's like, and not the only way, but a very important way to kind of measure

569
00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:46,840
your success and how you feel successful.

570
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:47,840
I agree.

571
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,680
As opposed to just being like, I'm earning X amount of dollars.

572
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,680
People know my name.

573
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,680
I'm in a magazine.

574
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:53,680
Yeah.

575
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,640
I mean, it's also like, it's kind of that discussion because you talk about like, you

576
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,560
know, writing and, and you know, everything, and I think that people, when they're younger,

577
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,960
they consider a lot of things like creativity as being financially stable.

578
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,760
And I'm like, you don't start in the arts if you're financially stable.

579
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,760
Oh, honey, no.

580
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:13,760
No.

581
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,440
You do other side jobs to help you make that.

582
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,440
I have nine jobs.

583
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,440
Hello.

584
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,600
But I mean, like when, when, you know, I still meet people today who are younger or older

585
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,960
and they just go, oh, I'm not successful.

586
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,480
And I'm like, no, you are like, you're doing stuff.

587
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:33,560
So therefore that is success because, um, yeah, it's, it's people, you know, and, and

588
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,760
I think it's also, we live in such a, like a very hard industry in, particularly in Australia.

589
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,240
We, you know, it's not a very profitable industry.

590
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,040
So a lot of us are making kind of like things together either for free or low pay or anything

591
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,040
like that.

592
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,480
Um, or, you know, however you approach work.

593
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,760
And then when you get the high pay gigs where it is very much, you know, like, um, big businesses

594
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,480
and they have a very specific structure, which might not allow for creative freedom.

595
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,560
Um, you still know that, oh, okay.

596
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,600
That money can help fuel maybe another creative venture that I can do later down the track.

597
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,280
And I feel like these days, I think because of the pandemic and because of a lockdown

598
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:18,160
and everything, people sort of realized that that side exists more like you can do both

599
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,800
because it was very much before the pandemic.

600
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Everyone was like, nah, I have to either be in the business, the big business or I stay

601
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,880
in the indie crappy sort of scene.

602
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,880
I was like, they're both good.

603
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,600
They both have pros and cons.

604
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,600
Like that's the nature of the base.

605
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,600
Yeah, for sure.

606
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,160
Like, did you feel like when you, you know, um, when you were writing or stuff like that,

607
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,920
that, that, you know, cause did the writing stuff come out of lockdown as well to publish?

608
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,920
Yeah.

609
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,240
So I decided a few years ago that I was bored.

610
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,240
Classic.

611
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,160
I'm realizing this is a very standard thing.

612
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,880
I mean, if anyone who knows me, it'll be like, I'm bored every six seconds, but, um, yeah,

613
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,520
I was very bored and my brain felt bored.

614
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,360
So I was like, I'm going to go back to uni.

615
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,180
And so I'm doing my masters of writing.

616
00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:13,240
And so, um, I was like, I don't really know like what I want to do.

617
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,320
I don't, I mean, I've always been interested in publishing and editing, so I'd like to

618
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,320
work in a publishing house.

619
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,560
That'd be really fun.

620
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,160
And then, so with my writing degree, I study every kind of writing ever.

621
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,160
Oh wow.

622
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,160
Okay.

623
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,160
Yeah.

624
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,760
So like I, so much content to know.

625
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,280
So much content.

626
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:40,000
Um, so we kind of had to do all these projects and stuff of like, you know, you can write

627
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,280
whatever you want.

628
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,160
And I was going through a breakup at the time and I was like, I have all these feelings.

629
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,160
I don't know what to do with them.

630
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,160
Here you go.

631
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,160
And they were like, they're like, wow.

632
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,160
Okay.

633
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,160
Are you good?

634
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,160
No.

635
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:57,640
Um, so I wrote all these things down and I was like, most of these, I'm never going to

636
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,640
see the light of day and they haven't.

637
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,640
Uh, thank God.

638
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,840
Um, and then I was talking to one of my tutors about it and she was like, Oh, you know, like

639
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,640
have you ever considered going into self publishing and kind of, cause I mean, getting your work

640
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,640
out there is scary.

641
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,240
I mean, in any kind of creative industry, it's quite frightening to be like, here is

642
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,880
something I have made and here is all of who I am.

643
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,880
Yeah.

644
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:20,880
Or part of who I am.

645
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,960
Um, and then I was like, Oh, not really, but I mean, I'll give it a go.

646
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,920
So I wrote, uh, wither and bloom.

647
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,520
So that was the first book that I did.

648
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,960
Um, and I think there's like, it's like 60 something pages long.

649
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,960
I don't actually know.

650
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,160
Um, and so I wrote that and then I kind of told some people about it.

651
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,080
And then, cause I, some people commissioned me to write some stuff for them before that.

652
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,080
And they were like, Oh, like you can do that.

653
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,440
So do you want to do more of it?

654
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,040
And I was like, sure.

655
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,400
Um, so then I, yeah, self published it and people bought it and they seemed to really

656
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,400
like it.

657
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,760
I got a lot of fuck you.

658
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,760
I'm crying messages.

659
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,840
Uh, when people got their packages in the mail, which was quite nice.

660
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,800
Um, and everyone was quite upset, but they did like it.

661
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,000
Um, and then, which was nice.

662
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
And then they were like, when's the next one coming in?

663
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,440
And I was like, give me a hot meal.

664
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,680
So then I was obviously at uni and I'm like writing a fantasy book.

665
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,280
And then, um, that was like my other assignment, which is actually turned into a whole beast

666
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,600
of its own, which is very frightening.

667
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,660
And then, and then, yeah, I wrote sync or swim and I finished it last year and then

668
00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:28,840
put that out as well this year, actually.

669
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,800
Oh my God, this year, what year am I in?

670
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,800
2020?

671
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

672
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,800
This year I put it out.

673
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,160
Um, and yeah, people have been reading it and enjoying it.

674
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:45,160
And it's kind of exciting to see the evolution of the writing itself and to sort of see how

675
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,920
obviously like having so much time in lockdown and having so many feelings and so many thoughts

676
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,680
and so much going on, um, like what came out of that.

677
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,680
Yeah.

678
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,280
And yeah, it was very interesting as well to see like my friends created processes.

679
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,640
So a lot of them like wrote all these like new songs and like did all this new music

680
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:11,020
stuff and then were filming things and like educating themselves or like upskilling themselves

681
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:14,240
during lockdown and like doing all these like beautiful magical things.

682
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,520
And then you're like, oh my God, what's going on?

683
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,520
I love it.

684
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,800
So and then now they're measuring their success going back to that on the things that they've

685
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,800
been able to do since then.

686
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,200
And they're like, oh my God, I've like, I went from here and now I'm here.

687
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,840
They might not have booked a big job or anything, but they've made a short film that they're

688
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,040
really proud of, or they've done like a vocal thing that they're really proud of, or they've

689
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880
written something that they've sent me or whatever.

690
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,280
So it's like, it's very exciting.

691
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,280
That's great.

692
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:48,600
And like, I am a hundred percent with you on that because I mean like value of success.

693
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,080
And it's a conversation I have very regularly with Emily.

694
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,360
We sort of like sit down and have this sort of like, you know, probably once a week, a

695
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,440
day, but meaningful like, success and you know, and self-reflection of our careers.

696
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,200
But I remember like, you know, between the, especially the pandemic, I really just didn't

697
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,200
have anything.

698
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,840
I had all my projects, like I had this short film that ended up going nowhere.

699
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,160
And like the pandemic, I felt like it was the best thing that happened to that.

700
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,280
Because like you, I was going through a big breakup and then I was like, okay, this needs

701
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,520
to go on pause because this, but I've invested like a year and a half into it.

702
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,200
How do I kind of just go, this is on pause for the next however long.

703
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,040
And yeah, the pandemic happened, so it had to shut down and yeah, the podcast came out

704
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,360
of this and you know, and doing the thing.

705
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,760
But I think it's like, is that self-reflection when you can sort of like, a breakup does,

706
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160
I think really kind of kick you into gear of doing stuff as well.

707
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,440
For sure.

708
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:55,480
Because it's a really good time to really reflect on life, I guess life choices and

709
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:01,740
life decisions, not through that other person, but more through how you handle situations

710
00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:06,000
in that relationship and what you could have done and how they treated you or however you

711
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000
treated them.

712
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Like I think, I don't know, I always get very, this is my two cents for people who have been

713
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,720
in relationships.

714
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,320
If you've only had one, please have more.

715
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Please have a variety.

716
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,080
Because one is, and I feel like people who've only ever dated once haven't really kind of

717
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320
got a sense of who they are entirely.

718
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,720
Or they're very affirmed of who they are.

719
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880
You could be, I completely know who I am.

720
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,880
This is me.

721
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:41,760
But I have been dating since I was about 17 and there are so many relationships that I've

722
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,760
had.

723
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,240
I'm like, oh, this really kind of like changed me.

724
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,040
And it really made me go, what do I like about myself?

725
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,160
And what do I don't like about myself?

726
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,680
And how do I want people to see, like especially with a partner in my life, it's like, how

727
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,920
do you want people to see your partner?

728
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,800
Because I've dated people that my friends didn't like and they've gone, that was a shit

729
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,800
person to date.

730
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,080
They've told me how the get go and my mom is a high critical of character.

731
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,480
And even she was like, no, shouldn't have.

732
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Yeah.

733
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,480
That person's terrible.

734
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,480
Don't date them.

735
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,920
But you know, I feel like that's always kind of like a wake up call as well.

736
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,200
I mean, did you find, do you find that with in terms of your creative, like notion as

737
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,720
well on how to self reflect as well over the time?

738
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,720
I guess so.

739
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:32,120
So it's sort of like you're figuring out who you are separate from that.

740
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160
I mean, like you said, some people are really good at being able to be like, this is who

741
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,160
I am.

742
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,160
This is my stuff.

743
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Yeah.

744
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,160
Off I go.

745
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,520
And then some people, so the relationship I was in, we were together for seven years.

746
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,520
Wow.

747
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,520
Yeah.

748
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,760
So we started dating when I was like 18, 19.

749
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,760
Wow.

750
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,240
So that was a big.

751
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,240
Yeah.

752
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,240
So that was like, we grew up together.

753
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Like it was our first, like for both of us, our big first relationship.

754
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,880
Like we still have a lot of love between us.

755
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Like we still hang out and like we still chat and stuff.

756
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,600
It's beautiful.

757
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,600
That's very wholesome.

758
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,600
Love you.

759
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:11,640
But you know, it's like a very defining moment in that period of time because you know, a

760
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,600
lot of, I was seeing a lot of my friends go through those things.

761
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,880
So like getting into relationships, breaking up, sleeping with whoever and however many

762
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,320
people they wanted to go off sis.

763
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:28,800
But I was like in this longterm one person, very happy sort of situation until, you know,

764
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,440
we weren't able to sort of keep dating anymore and that was fine.

765
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:41,040
But then, yeah, you kind of like, oh, fuck, like my whole, like you were my life for,

766
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,680
like we saw each other every day.

767
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Like we lived not that far from, we lived like 10, 15 minutes from each other.

768
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,200
So it was like we were always together, not in like a suffocating way, but it was like,

769
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,200
we were always together.

770
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,560
We were always like hanging out, doing stuff.

771
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Our friends were combined.

772
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,420
So yeah, it was sort of like a very strange and because it was the first breakup as well

773
00:33:01,420 --> 00:33:10,440
that I'd sort of had as an adult, I guess, air quotes adult.

774
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,000
You know, you're kind of like, oh my God, like what the fuck is going on?

775
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Like I have no idea.

776
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,040
Like the world is spinning in a different direction.

777
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Like I have no idea what's going on.

778
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,120
And so you're kind of trying to recalibrate your own life, I suppose.

779
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:28,320
And you're trying to recalibrate like where you sit because you were in a pair for so

780
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,800
long and you're like, what's, what's it like now?

781
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,360
Like the world is scary.

782
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,360
What what's out there?

783
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,880
I don't know.

784
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:36,880
I still feel that now.

785
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360
Oh my God, what's out there?

786
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,360
I know.

787
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,240
But yeah, you kind of, it does kind of get you to be a little bit introspective or maybe

788
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,440
in my case, a little introspective about it.

789
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:52,920
But like, um, you kind of do think about these things and you are sort of using that time

790
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,240
to obviously like, you know, heal from this big life change and everything.

791
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,560
And you're kind of figuring out all these different things, but it's also like, oh,

792
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,560
okay.

793
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,560
Yeah.

794
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,680
I don't know how to describe it.

795
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,920
You're just like, oh, like it's, I mean, it's bad, but it's not that bad.

796
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,920
Yeah.

797
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,920
I get that entirely.

798
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:17,040
I think, yeah, like it happened to one of my friends, they were together for like 15

799
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,440
years, 14, 15 years, like since they were in high school.

800
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,600
And um, yeah, when that breakup happened, because I'd known both of them for like four

801
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,120
or five years, it was kind of emotionally destructive for the group.

802
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,680
Like everyone had a, you know, a cry about Hannah.

803
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,120
And everyone's got an opinion, whether it's a good or bad.

804
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Yeah, I know.

805
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Um, and, but it was also like, it was one of those relationships that like, it didn't

806
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,160
end well.

807
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,920
And I think it could have ended better.

808
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,200
Um, don't my ma'am just re rejigging myself.

809
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,200
You can comfy.

810
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Yeah.

811
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,200
I'm going to let you get comfy.

812
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Sorry.

813
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,840
I like to sit like a pretzel, like I pretzel myself in.

814
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,840
I love that.

815
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,840
That's great.

816
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Sorry.

817
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:00,840
I'm actively listening.

818
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,840
I know it was more just a thud.

819
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,840
Sorry everyone.

820
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,120
Um, yeah, it was like a huge, you know, huge breakup.

821
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,160
And I think, um, you know, it was a very messy one.

822
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,680
And I think that really kind of shifted a little bit.

823
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,000
Whereas I think it was a very clean one.

824
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,280
I know it was, you know, when you get to a certain point of relationships and time, it's

825
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,280
so hard to keep them always clean.

826
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,280
For sure.

827
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,200
Like, and be like, oh yeah, definitely.

828
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,800
This is appropriate.

829
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,800
This breakup is going to work.

830
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,840
Like nothing flawless is going to ever work that way.

831
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,840
And.

832
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,560
Cause that was like with us, we were like, um, you know, we're very much in love with

833
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,560
each other.

834
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,320
And it was just sort of like, I don't know, like we kind of, I think we needed to break

835
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,080
up to kind of grow up a little bit in like our own sort of way and figure out ourselves

836
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,320
a little bit more so that we could become adults loose loosely.

837
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,000
Um, yeah, I was about to say, I'm a giant child.

838
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,200
You know, I think it was sort of, if we, if we were still dating now, I don't think it

839
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,160
would have been a very healthy thing because we wouldn't have had that time to grow up.

840
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,320
And we've spoken about this, him and I, you know, that like it sucked so much at the time

841
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,960
and it was like, Oh, we should get back together.

842
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,680
Like this really, I miss you so much.

843
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,840
And then it was like, yeah, same, but also no.

844
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Yeah.

845
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,920
So it was very like, it was a bit, it was a little bit messy for a while.

846
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,960
And then we're just like, we need to become our own person and then we can become friends

847
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,560
and then we can see what happens.

848
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Yeah.

849
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,440
And then we're just now friends and it's great.

850
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,440
That's great.

851
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Yeah.

852
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,000
I mean, it is always like, you need that separation before you can kind of like, Oh yeah, wander

853
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960
back into each other's lives and be like, this is totally normal.

854
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Yeah.

855
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,800
I mean, it's still sometimes a little bit awkward because you're like, Oh, I don't really know

856
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,000
like how to, like when we first started hanging out as friends again, we're like, Oh, I don't

857
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,600
really know like how to behave around you.

858
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,200
Like it was a little bit like a first day.

859
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Oh yeah.

860
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,880
And it was like, it was, it was quite cute because we were both just like, Oh, Hey, how

861
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,880
are you going?

862
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,880
What's up?

863
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,360
But now I just like, Hey man, like, what are you up to?

864
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,680
Like, what's your dating life like, like, you know, little things like that.

865
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,480
And then, yeah, it's just funny because it's not out of a place of obviously like, you

866
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,760
know, I want to know what you're doing.

867
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,760
Like blah, blah, blah.

868
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,760
That's absolutely insane.

869
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480
It's more just like, how are you doing?

870
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Like, are you happy?

871
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,000
Like, I want to know that you're okay.

872
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,400
And if you're ever not okay, you can tell me.

873
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,160
Like, I mean, he sent me a message the other day and he was just like, Hey, I've got some

874
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,160
tickets to this show.

875
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Do you want them?

876
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,040
And it was like this total out of the blue, like hadn't spoken to him for a while, like

877
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,040
message.

878
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,040
And I was like, Oh, I'm actually in New South Wales.

879
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,040
He's like, Oh my God, tell me about it.

880
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,040
He's like, what are you doing?

881
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,040
He's like, why are you up there?

882
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,040
And I was like, why aren't you going to the show?

883
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,040
He's like, Oh, it's just a footy thing.

884
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,760
And I'm like, tell me about it.

885
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,360
So it's nice that you can kind of come back to that like friendship place because that's

886
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,360
how we started.

887
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,280
We were friends and then ended up dating for a very long time.

888
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,280
Oh, yeah.

889
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,280
This is very wholesome.

890
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,280
Yeah.

891
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,280
It's very wholesome now.

892
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,760
It wasn't so much when it was like a turbulent time, like it was a little bit touch and go

893
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,760
for a moment.

894
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,760
Yeah.

895
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,760
No, that's always fair.

896
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,680
I mean, like, I think out of all my exes, I'm really only friends with one.

897
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,680
Yeah.

898
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,160
It's, it doesn't always work.

899
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,560
And look, it's not for the lack of trying.

900
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,680
Like my brother's the same as well.

901
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,120
I think he's, he is friends with like two of his exes.

902
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,200
He's better though than, than most people.

903
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,200
I think it's because also though, like we were always friends with, you know, the person

904
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,200
before we dated.

905
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:37,800
And that's important, I think for like healthy relationships to kind of flourish that way,

906
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,920
because if you just kind of, I mean, you want to like them.

907
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,920
Yeah.

908
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,520
I mean, like it's one of those things that's like, I can be attracted to someone and like,

909
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,720
like, I'm not kidding.

910
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,440
I've had one night stands and everything, but like, I definitely think that in terms

911
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,640
of longevity for sure.

912
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:01,880
And if I want to date someone, it's like, I have to really know them because that's

913
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,840
an entirely different thing to be like, Oh, okay, cool.

914
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:06,840
Yeah.

915
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,320
Let's know each other and let's actually talk.

916
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,760
And then, cause I've definitely been on like, you know, uh, the wonderful worlds of updating

917
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,160
and they, they're terrible.

918
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,800
I'm frightened of that.

919
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,800
Don't, don't.

920
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,680
It's just because people don't know what the fuck to say.

921
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:27,840
And also this is going to sound like so bad, but I feel I'm the ultimate, not the ultimate,

922
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,160
but I'm a giant catfish because I know, like, I know for a fact that if I have makeup on,

923
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,000
I look like a normal human being.

924
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Like I get that.

925
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Confirm or deny.

926
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
I'm not saying anything.

927
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
You heard it here first.

928
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,000
But like 90% like most of the time I look like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like

929
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,080
a, like most of the time I look like a, like a someone's 12 year old little brother.

930
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:54,080
Like I'm not like, cause I, if I, you know, like put in effort, people are like, who the

931
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,080
fuck is that?

932
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,360
Like what the fuck is going on?

933
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,360
Like I get it.

934
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,400
If I did my hair, my God, the world will end.

935
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,920
But like, but it's just like, and then people meet me and they're like, you don't look like

936
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,920
that.

937
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,920
Yeah.

938
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,920
And I'm like, yeah, I know, babe.

939
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,920
I am aware.

940
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,920
I'm aware.

941
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,920
I don't look this good.

942
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,920
Yeah.

943
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,080
And like, babe, do you want to know why, because I didn't have a team.

944
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:19,120
I didn't have someone else doing all of this for me.

945
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,200
I mean, that's always like the way, um, about, cause I want to, I do want to bring us onto

946
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,200
modeling as well.

947
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:32,360
Like, I know it's a horrifying topic, but I do think that out of the years that I've

948
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,200
done photography, my dad's a photographer, like, um, so he used to work for, he used

949
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,200
to work for magazines.

950
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,400
He did band covers and stuff.

951
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,880
And he's been, you know, multiple celebrities.

952
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,840
And he says like the nicest ones to work with were like David Bowie and Robin Williams,

953
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,320
um, you know, the actor and comedian who's, um, and he was like, these people are just

954
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,080
great because they're actually nice and they're human.

955
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,440
They're not just an asshole to you.

956
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,880
Um, and I also think that then he worked for lonely planet.

957
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,160
And so my dad's very good at dealing with people and a lot of different personalities,

958
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,440
which you know, it's very tricky.

959
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,280
It's such a hard skill to have like a genuine.

960
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,960
And it's so funny because he's the opposite at home.

961
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,440
When he's at home, he has no idea how to deal with anything outside when he's in work mode.

962
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,440
He's great.

963
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,440
I'm like, how the hell are you two different?

964
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,840
Um, it's like chalk and cheese.

965
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,720
You just don't, you know, I'm like, what?

966
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:35,320
Um, but yeah, it's, I think with modeling, especially it's something that I'm very sort

967
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:41,640
of very regiment on, especially when I do photography and stuff is I don't augment photos.

968
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:48,600
It's like in terms of skin, you know, I might like remove acne if it looks completely like

969
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,360
this, the person is playing, please just fix my skin.

970
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,600
This little acne, but I don't sit there and just go, you know what I'm going to air brush

971
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,800
you and augment how your waistline looks.

972
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,360
And you know, it's that's the side of modeling.

973
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,800
I hate it's very damaging.

974
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,800
Yeah.

975
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Like how did, how were you when you went into it?

976
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:14,280
Um, so I kind of fell into it actually, um, from a great high, from a great high, my giraffe

977
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:24,840
and roller skates collapsing and falling into, um, I was studying in LA when I was 21, um,

978
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,840
which was wild.

979
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,720
And then I, we were, we were having this like dinner thing.

980
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,400
And then one of my mentors was like, have you ever thought about modeling such an LA

981
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,400
thing to say?

982
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,400
I was about to ask.

983
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,400
Have you ever thought about modeling?

984
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,400
Um, and I was like, no.

985
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,400
And I was like, yeah, not really.

986
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,400
And they're like, oh, we should give it a go.

987
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:45,800
Like, you know, you've got, you know, I had really long hair at the time, so I looked very

988
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,800
different.

989
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,680
Um, they're like, you know, you've got very long hairs, like very beautiful hair.

990
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,960
You've got, you know, like a look about you, something interesting going on.

991
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,960
What does that mean?

992
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:01,320
Um, and you know, you're quite tall, so you could got like quite a lot going on.

993
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,360
I love that you used a lot going on.

994
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Just re reaffirming.

995
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,240
Um, and so I was like, oh, okay.

996
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,240
Like whatever.

997
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,400
And so I was traveling around America and I was like looking for stuff to do.

998
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:22,040
So I applied to, to be a hair model, a hair model, hair model.

999
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,040
Yes.

1000
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Everyone thinks I say hand model and I don't really know why, but I'm, I was a hair model

1001
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,560
first.

1002
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,920
Um, so I kind of fell into it that way, um, and they cut off all my hair.

1003
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,360
They died at bright red and I had a David Bowie mullet for two and a half years.

1004
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,360
Wow.

1005
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,360
Yeah.

1006
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,360
It was great.

1007
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,360
It was like, it was such a fun haircut.

1008
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,720
And they like, I got a lot of work up here in Sydney doing hair modeling because they

1009
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,440
are into quirky little things like that.

1010
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,600
So a lot of photo shoots, like runway stuff, a lot of like sitting on stage while someone's

1011
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,240
cutting off your hair and bleaching your eyebrows.

1012
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,240
Like it's a whole situation.

1013
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,240
Yeah.

1014
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:59,720
So the last time I was here, actually I had my, it was like, there's not even a color

1015
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:04,000
in this room that I can kind of describe to you.

1016
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,520
Maybe that like Fox color.

1017
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,560
There's like a, you guys can't say this, but there's like a painting of a Fox.

1018
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Did you do that?

1019
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,160
No, my, one of my best friends did.

1020
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Oh my God.

1021
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,160
It's fantastic.

1022
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,160
I know she gave it to me for a birthday present.

1023
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,160
I love it.

1024
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,160
I love it too.

1025
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,160
It's so sweet.

1026
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,760
So like the color of the Fox's fur, that's what color my hair was.

1027
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:26,040
So for those of you listening at home, think of a fluorescent highlighter in orange.

1028
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,040
That's wow.

1029
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,040
Yeah.

1030
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,440
So that like, it was bright and then I had no eyebrows.

1031
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,900
They just bleached them blonde.

1032
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:34,900
It was an absolute look.

1033
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:38,280
I'm not going to lie to you, but they didn't bleach them back.

1034
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,400
Sorry, dye them back for when I went home and I was, I mean, I am still very pale, but

1035
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,360
I was a lot paler then.

1036
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,480
So it was like, I was like white, white.

1037
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,160
So you were, you were essentially just reflective.

1038
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,160
It was a lot.

1039
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,520
So, and yeah, there was so much going on.

1040
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:03,480
I can tell like, I got off the plane and I like landed at home and I'm waiting.

1041
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:10,720
My mom came to pick me up and I had no eyebrows, flaming orange hair, flaming orange hair.

1042
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:15,320
And it was like, it was a look and she, I like knocked on the window for it to like,

1043
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,020
let me in and she's like, Oh no.

1044
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:19,040
Like she's waving like, no, at me.

1045
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,680
Cause she thought I was just some random trying to get in the car.

1046
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,280
And I was like, roll the window down.

1047
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,440
And she was like, Oh my God.

1048
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,360
So she's like, yes.

1049
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,000
And I was like, mom, open the door.

1050
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,880
And she's like, Oh my God.

1051
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,880
Who's this?

1052
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,880
My child.

1053
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:34,880
She was like, what happened?

1054
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Cause I had like a hoodie on as well.

1055
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,920
So I took the hoodie off and she was like, she's like, it's bright.

1056
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:49,400
So yeah, it was crazy, crazy time, but modeling had its positives and negatives.

1057
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,400
I'm not going to lie.

1058
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:57,000
It was a very educational experience.

1059
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,400
I suppose there were a lot of parts of it that I loved and I still love to this day.

1060
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,400
I love creating things.

1061
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:08,640
I love making stuff and I love artistry and I love watching people create these, you know,

1062
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,520
different worlds and sets and costumes and hair and makeup.

1063
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,520
And so I love it.

1064
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,760
It's so fun.

1065
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,960
But then there's also like the dark side to modeling that I don't appreciate.

1066
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:25,920
So there was a long, when I was doing runway stuff, I mean, it's not, it's not done as

1067
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,280
much anymore, if at all.

1068
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,280
I'm not too sure.

1069
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,280
I'm probably, I don't know.

1070
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,640
I haven't been in that world for quite some time, but they would stand there and they'd

1071
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,200
pick you apart.

1072
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:40,200
And so they'd like pull on you and be like too big, too small, less more, you know, like

1073
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,200
different things like that.

1074
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,640
And, you know, you had to be a certain size and you had to stick within measurements.

1075
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,280
And thankfully a lot of modeling has moved away from that because it's very, very detrimental.

1076
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,280
It's very, very harmful.

1077
00:46:50,280 --> 00:47:02,560
And it's very, very gross and very, very mentally taxing and damaging for a lot of people, especially

1078
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:09,480
young people that are getting into it and then, you know, experiencing all these things.

1079
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:16,200
But yeah, so parts of it were very, very hard and very, very upsetting, but for the most

1080
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,920
part it was, it was a big joy.

1081
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,760
So I still enjoy doing it and it's very fun.

1082
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,600
And it's, you know, I get to work with some very interesting people and see some very

1083
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,400
interesting ideas come to life.

1084
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,400
And, you know, I've had amazing opportunities because of modeling and I've got to work with

1085
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:38,160
some amazing brands and some amazing people and see some like amazing places and stuff.

1086
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,960
But yeah, it's not really something that I do as much because I'm like old now.

1087
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,280
I'm old and ancient.

1088
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,640
Which is like crazy to say, but for a lot of the, a lot of things they're like, ah,

1089
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,640
I mean, I don't really understand.

1090
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,840
I mean, I look 16 most of the time, so you tell me.

1091
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,840
Um, but yeah, they're like, oh, I was about to say six, but you know, just take the one

1092
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,840
off.

1093
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,160
Um, very tall, six year old.

1094
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Hello.

1095
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,000
But yeah, like a lot of the time people are like, oh, you just like, you're outside of

1096
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,000
the age bracket.

1097
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Yeah.

1098
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,520
And I'm like, but I have a baby face.

1099
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,520
What do you mean?

1100
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,600
I don't know how old I am.

1101
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:20,600
So I don't know.

1102
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,600
It's, it's crazy.

1103
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:22,600
Yeah.

1104
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,600
It's very fun.

1105
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,600
I love it.

1106
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,600
I think it's just a crazy job.

1107
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,120
I, I, it's an, it's an odd job.

1108
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:34,200
I think it's also like, um, you know, especially when people are young, you know, they think

1109
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,200
it's very glamorous.

1110
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Yeah.

1111
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,480
I don't think it's cause we show the glamorous side of it.

1112
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,480
Um, but it's very hard.

1113
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,160
And I think that's a misconception.

1114
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,640
A lot of people have, like when I, and this just goes to show what having older brothers

1115
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,920
is like.

1116
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,720
But when I first started modeling and I was kind of doing it more regularly, my brothers

1117
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,520
are like, what do you do all day?

1118
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,920
And I was like, what?

1119
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,360
And they're like, do you just like stand around?

1120
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,900
They're like, what do you, what, what do you mean?

1121
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,880
And they're like, we know you, like you're not a model sort of thing.

1122
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,880
And I'm like, yeah, fair enough.

1123
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,360
It's like, we don't know what you do, but it's not.

1124
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,360
Yeah.

1125
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560
They're like, it, my brother says this to me even now.

1126
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:23,360
He's like, it genuinely amazes me that people pay you money to like, for like how you look.

1127
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,360
And I'm like, don't worry.

1128
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,360
It shocks me too.

1129
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,840
Isn't that the weirdest thing as well?

1130
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,880
It's like, you know, the, the world and what we value.

1131
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,840
But it's also just like, cause he's like, I know you and he's like, you look like a

1132
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,840
fort.

1133
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,280
He's like, I don't get it.

1134
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Obviously like sibling love, but he's like, he's like, it's just so he's like, I tell

1135
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,880
people, you know, like my sister's an actor and a model and they have this image of you

1136
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,200
in their mind.

1137
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,000
And he's like, you know, they like people at his work be like, oh, you know, do you

1138
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
have siblings?

1139
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000
He's like, oh yeah.

1140
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,000
I have a brother and a sister.

1141
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Oh, what do they do?

1142
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,160
And then he's like, you know, I go into a blah, blah, blah.

1143
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,280
And he's, and they're like, oh, what, what do you mean?

1144
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,280
She's a model and actor.

1145
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,400
Can we say what's on that work?

1146
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,760
And then he'll show them and they're like, oh my God, crazy.

1147
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,760
You don't look alike at all.

1148
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,040
And he's like, I know.

1149
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,160
And then he's like, but then I see you and you look like you've been dragged through

1150
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,160
a hedge backwards.

1151
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,920
He's like, what do you mean?

1152
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,040
He's like, it's honestly like so wild to me.

1153
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,280
This makes my brother sound really mean.

1154
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,280
He's not, he does love me.

1155
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,280
I promise.

1156
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,680
And he's like, he's like, it's just so crazy to me.

1157
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,240
Cause obviously like you grow up together and you see, I mean, even if it's like a friend

1158
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:39,680
of yours, like some of my friends are like models and I'm like, but I've seen you in

1159
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,280
like all stages of your life.

1160
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,040
It's so crazy to me that this is a job that we have.

1161
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,040
I mean, obviously you're hot.

1162
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,200
Like I get it, but like, but it's just, I don't know.

1163
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,000
It's just, it's so strange.

1164
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,200
It's true as well, and I think it's like, it's interesting as well because of the way

1165
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,440
it influences, you know, cause I do know some young people who are sort of very like, you

1166
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:10,920
know, in that 15 to like 14, 15, 16 age bracket and they're very unlike looking up to all

1167
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,880
the women going, they're very glamorous.

1168
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,880
They're very sexy.

1169
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,120
I'm like, yeah, there is that aspect, but don't think that they look like that all the

1170
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,120
time.

1171
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,240
Like you're allowed to be messy.

1172
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,760
You're allowed to like, you're allowed to be a human being.

1173
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,480
And it's very important.

1174
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,040
And I feel like we forget that, especially with modeling the way it reflects, because

1175
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:37,880
it's all about, you know, not looking, you know, like looking glamorous, but then what

1176
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,880
does glamorous mean?

1177
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:46,080
Cause I'm like, you know, the first time I, the second time actually I ever got headshots,

1178
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:52,960
one of my amazing friends, Claudia Butters did it and she, I went out to her place and

1179
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,560
she was just like explaining to me like, okay, so lean back, but I know this is going to

1180
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,120
feel uncomfortable, but it will make your posture look good.

1181
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:06,800
And I was like, had my arms back there looking really strange and I was like, this hurts.

1182
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,040
And she was like, and showed me the phone.

1183
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,200
I was like, oh yeah, that does look good.

1184
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,320
Why does that feel like contortion though?

1185
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:20,000
That is literally like, we put ourselves in weird uncomfortable positions for angular

1186
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,000
benefit.

1187
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:28,680
I know, but it's, it's because the camera, the way a camera perceives information doesn't,

1188
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,860
you know, look natural.

1189
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:33,700
If we are in a natural position, it doesn't look because it just looks, yeah, it looks

1190
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:37,240
more bizarre to be normal or normal or natural symmetry.

1191
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:42,440
It's like, you got to sort of feel symmetrical or at least within the lines of the field,

1192
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,320
but you're not like you're in the second, third, or like, yeah.

1193
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,400
And I find it fascinating because like having done, and that's why like as a photographer,

1194
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,320
I go through all my photos and I go, I hate that one.

1195
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,320
I hate those.

1196
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,920
I'm just overanalyzing everything.

1197
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,520
And you know, whether, whether I've worked with friends who are models or not.

1198
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,040
And like, I think the thing is like always trying to, it's such a trial and error when

1199
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,440
you're a photographer as well, because you've got to work with people and it's, I think

1200
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,280
it's also, you know, I think people go, oh, they're a great photographer.

1201
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,840
And then you go, oh, why did you take like 400 photos?

1202
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,840
Yeah.

1203
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,840
Yeah.

1204
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,080
You're only going to get 10 or 20 of these because I hate the rest or this was a trial

1205
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,280
or this was, you know, but they think that because when you take so many, it's like filming,

1206
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,320
when you do so many texts, they don't understand the technical aspect that has gone into the

1207
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,560
process of what you're thinking.

1208
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,400
And then they, um, I love this when you give people the photos and then they up.

1209
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Like the ones that you don't like and you're like, cool.

1210
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,080
Thank you so much.

1211
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,080
That's just my work out of my, yeah, I know.

1212
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,080
I'm like, okay, I hate that one.

1213
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,080
I hate that one.

1214
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,080
Oh, that one has not been color graded.

1215
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,080
Oh, that's great.

1216
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,080
Oh, they've edited it themselves.

1217
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,240
Some of them I've sent images to some people and they've gone through their own, like,

1218
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,000
you know, like low res JPEGs and like, sure, go for it.

1219
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,000
But you know, do you find it hard to direct people?

1220
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,360
Sorry, this is the interviews turned.

1221
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,640
What in general?

1222
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,840
Well, I mean, sort of in like a photography way, like, do you find, I'm, this is just

1223
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:19,840
a heads up for you.

1224
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,280
I'm a very lazy model because I like to lounge.

1225
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Oh, no, I, I love directing people.

1226
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,960
I, well, because I do directing, like I do.

1227
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:27,960
I do.

1228
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,320
So it's something that you sort of, yeah, you feel confident and you enjoy doing.

1229
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,320
Yes.

1230
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,320
Great.

1231
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,320
Sorry, that wasn't like a criticism.

1232
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,320
I was just genuine.

1233
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,040
That was a genuine, no, I love directing people.

1234
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,960
I think it's also like, um, I've been obsessed since I was a kid.

1235
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,000
It's one of those things that I just love.

1236
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:50,240
It's, um, I think it's because I like telling stories and I like, but I love people.

1237
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,800
I'm such a people lover, um, always have been.

1238
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,800
Um, and especially because like, I was talking to him with one of my best friends the other

1239
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,000
day and we were talking about like, um, just, you know, female filmmakers and everything

1240
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,160
and just a sort of our praise for it.

1241
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,680
And I was talking to her and being like, I would love to just have like a 99% crew where

1242
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,880
it's just within like, you know, like a massive conglomerate.

1243
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,800
Um, but I also just think that like I grew up with female friends and I grew up with

1244
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,640
like, so I'm very used to that, like, you know, energy on, uh, in my day to day life.

1245
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:30,200
And I find people very easy to write because, you know, it's like that social experiment

1246
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,920
when you're a kid where it's like, if you can talk to the opposite sex, I, life becomes

1247
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,200
so much easier because you'll realize everyone's human.

1248
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:44,280
Like whereas I think from astigmatism, like when we're kids, we're told that we've got

1249
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,440
to be in these gender boxes and everything.

1250
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,320
And I think now that I'm an adult and I have never fitted the gender box at all in my entirety

1251
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,160
of my life, um, which is fantastic.

1252
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,460
Um, but yeah, it does make directing very easy because then I'm just like, oh, okay.

1253
00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:59,460
You do this, you do this.

1254
00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:00,460
You're a person.

1255
00:56:00,460 --> 00:56:01,460
Yeah.

1256
00:56:01,460 --> 00:56:02,460
You're a person, you know, like your hunk of me.

1257
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:03,460
So don't do that.

1258
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:07,060
But I mean, like it literally is like the funnest thing to do.

1259
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:11,440
And I think, um, you know, and then there's depends on people, how good they are at taking

1260
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,440
direction.

1261
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,440
Yeah.

1262
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,200
That's your another Kelly's heel because if you're very good at giving direction, but

1263
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,000
people don't want to hear it.

1264
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Tricky.

1265
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,000
Yeah.

1266
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Somewhat tricky.

1267
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,000
It's so tricky.

1268
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,280
And I've worked with a lot of actors over the years and some like have definitely told

1269
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,280
me, I don't think you understand.

1270
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,040
No, you're like, oh, and I'm like, that's wonderful.

1271
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,040
I'm sure I don't.

1272
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,040
Sure.

1273
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,040
I've.

1274
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,040
But also let's just give this a go.

1275
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:42,280
Um, and I've sat in many meetings where I've been told that, uh, you know, that, oh, um,

1276
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,560
I don't think you understand the script.

1277
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,720
And I'm like, what the script I wrote or the script I've been working on for a year.

1278
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:47,720
Yeah, sure.

1279
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:48,720
I've got no idea.

1280
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:49,720
Yeah.

1281
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:51,880
I just read it two minutes ago and I was like, cool.

1282
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,880
This is a great piece of art.

1283
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,400
Let's give it a go.

1284
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,120
So I've definitely worked with that side of the, the cord and the wall.

1285
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,640
Like do you, what do you enjoy about being directed or like, you know, what, what's throwing

1286
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:04,640
it back at you?

1287
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,640
What do you enjoy about the art?

1288
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:15,000
Well, I think like I enjoy the, I love it so much when you go into a room or you go

1289
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,920
into a project and people are like, okay, show us your interpretation.

1290
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:27,600
And then we'll sort of have a moment to kind of like think and dissect and digest that.

1291
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,160
And then it's like, what is it that I've missed?

1292
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:38,560
So like, what did I not see or what did I not maybe have a look at in my process or

1293
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,560
whatever.

1294
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,920
And like, how can we then, so then, you know, can you show us this?

1295
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,920
And then it's like, oh, okay.

1296
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,440
You showed us this, but you also showed us that.

1297
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:52,200
So let's find, it's just sort of like picking pieces and working as a collaboration, which

1298
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,200
is quite exciting.

1299
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,800
And a lot of the work that I do is, is that way.

1300
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,800
You know, I'm very, very lucky with the people that I get to work with and the people that

1301
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:01,800
I know.

1302
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,760
And you know, the creative people that I surround myself with, it's very collaborative and it's

1303
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,640
very much like, let's just have a go.

1304
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,000
Like let's have a play.

1305
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,080
Like let's just see what we've all understood from this thing.

1306
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,280
And then let's see how we can bring some other stuff into it.

1307
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,320
So I think that's very exciting.

1308
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,320
That's awesome.

1309
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:24,320
Yeah.

1310
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,120
And I mean, sometimes directors are like, I want this and this only.

1311
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,840
And you're like, okay.

1312
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,200
I, yes, I am the puppet and you are the master.

1313
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,280
Let me give you that.

1314
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,520
And then it's fine because it's like, they've clearly got a very strong vision and that's

1315
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:38,800
okay.

1316
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,000
And they want a very specific thing.

1317
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,800
So you give them that they're happy, you're happy.

1318
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,680
And you've gone into it, understanding that you're not like, oh, this is a collaborative

1319
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,680
project.

1320
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,680
And they're like, no.

1321
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,680
And then you get upset.

1322
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,680
Yeah.

1323
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,880
I mean, I'm a very collaborative person.

1324
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,280
I always have been, but I have definitely worked with people who have, you know, like

1325
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,360
a very singular vision, which is fine.

1326
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:06,200
I think it's also because I was an editor, like I've edited a lot of short films and

1327
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,680
every time I, I always seem to have clashes with directors who have a particular vision

1328
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,920
because then I have to tell them, unfortunately that they haven't covered that vision in the

1329
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,200
actual shots.

1330
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,040
And that's my favorite thing to do because then they tell me how wrong I am and that

1331
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,040
it will work.

1332
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,280
And I'm like, no, it won't.

1333
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,840
This is not how it does.

1334
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,200
So like, I definitely think like, you know, it comes from a lot of different experiences

1335
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,560
that I've had, like whether it's been acting, directing, editing, like I've sort of worked

1336
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,780
in both pre, you know, production and post and done it all.

1337
00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:46,560
So I think there's like that advantage, but then no one likes being told they're wrong.

1338
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,160
And it's the worst thing to be like, how do you handle?

1339
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,160
Yeah.

1340
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,160
Like what do you do with that information?

1341
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,160
Yeah.

1342
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,720
And it's kind of like, you just have to deal with it.

1343
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,800
I don't know, it's a very weird sort of thing because you're like, okay, well I'm involved

1344
00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,800
in this now.

1345
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:00,800
Yeah.

1346
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,720
So I kind of, if there's no, you kind of can't be too precious about it.

1347
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,160
I mean, if there's something that, so from like an actor's perspective, if there's something

1348
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:17,320
that like you really want and that you feel is like going to help either you or the production,

1349
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,320
then you can fight for it.

1350
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,320
Great.

1351
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,320
No worries.

1352
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,720
But if there's like no wiggle room and they're just shutting it, you kind of just have to

1353
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,720
go, okay.

1354
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,880
Cause it's like at the end of the day, it's like not up to you sort of thing.

1355
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,280
Like you're just, you're, you're a hired body to bring to life a story that someone else

1356
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:37,840
has made and that's fine, but you kind of, you can't get too in your head about it.

1357
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,920
Otherwise you're going to be like, yeah.

1358
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,920
I mean, a hundred percent.

1359
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,560
And I think that people get very like rigid in what they think the story needs to shape.

1360
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,160
Like, and I think it also goes back to when you're writing a script and drafting phrases

1361
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,840
and everything and I've sat through multiple drafts and when you read the first draft,

1362
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:55,840
you're like, this is terrible.

1363
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,360
This is always going to be terrible.

1364
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,160
It's the first draft is just idea dump.

1365
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,840
And then you refine and you refine and you refine.

1366
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:09,200
But I do think that like it's the Achilles heel as well, because when you're, you know,

1367
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,440
if you're an actor who's been at the beginning of a project and you've read like something

1368
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,840
like 20 different troughs, it can be annoying.

1369
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,200
It can be annoying as a creative to be like, where's the story going on?

1370
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,360
How many drafts do I need to really read?

1371
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,880
Before I understand, before it's a lot.

1372
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,880
Just give it to me when it's done.

1373
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,880
Done.

1374
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:25,880
But I mean, it depends.

1375
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,840
Like also, I think, I think because I'm one of those people who loves knowing all the

1376
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,280
process and everything, I think it's like, that's my obsession.

1377
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Not everyone's the same as me.

1378
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,280
I acknowledge that.

1379
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,960
Some of my really good friends just say to me, it's like, just tell me what to do.

1380
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,440
Yeah, just tell me when to turn up.

1381
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,800
Give me what I need to read.

1382
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,800
Thank you so much, bye.

1383
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:45,800
Love them dearly.

1384
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,200
They criticize me because I'm very over it.

1385
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,680
But yeah, it's one of those things that I think when you do love a process and you do

1386
01:01:54,680 --> 01:02:01,160
love story, stories particularly, or you do love, you know, expanding ideas, then, you

1387
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:06,100
know, there's certain opportunities that, you know, I think I've definitely given people

1388
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:11,680
that necessarily they never would have been given on actual television sets or, you know,

1389
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,640
like film sets because they've, you know, they're like, our casting directors see me

1390
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:16,640
as a particular look.

1391
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:17,640
And I'm like, okay, well, cool.

1392
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:18,640
That's nice.

1393
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,640
What do you want to do?

1394
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:20,640
Yeah.

1395
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,640
Yeah.

1396
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:22,640
Give you a science fiction character.

1397
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:23,640
Give you a horror character.

1398
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,640
Like give you a villain role.

1399
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,000
Yeah, what's something you've always wanted to do?

1400
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,000
Let's make that thing.

1401
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,000
Yeah.

1402
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,000
Great.

1403
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,680
And I think that, you know, people really forget that.

1404
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Like they, so that's kind of the thing I love about directing.

1405
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,240
That's my like slice of the pie.

1406
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,400
Yeah, that's so fun.

1407
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,800
I really would like to give it a go.

1408
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,400
My friend Tim, he's an incredible director and I look up to him so much.

1409
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,880
And we work on quite a few projects together and everything.

1410
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:52,240
And watching the way that he and my friend Brandon is the same, the way that they interact

1411
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:58,840
with people and the way that they guide people into not what the director wants, but like

1412
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,640
what the story needs is very, very inspiring.

1413
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:07,040
And I would love to like do that because I'm, the unit that I'm working on at uni at the

1414
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,840
moment is script writing, which is very funny.

1415
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,280
Because that's all I do all day.

1416
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,000
So I'm like, I'm done.

1417
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:21,560
So being able to like create a script from nothing and like go through that whole process

1418
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,840
and then thinking about it in the longterm of like, who am I going to cast in this?

1419
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,840
Yeah.

1420
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,600
Who am I going to get to help me?

1421
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,840
How am I going to direct it?

1422
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,840
Yeah.

1423
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,020
Like, cause that's something that I want to have a go at doing.

1424
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:36,240
And why not with my own project?

1425
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,720
Like that would be so fun.

1426
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:38,720
A hundred percent.

1427
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,360
It's just like more like skills and more things and like try, maybe I'll hate it.

1428
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,360
Maybe I'll be like, fuck directing.

1429
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,320
I don't want to do that ever again.

1430
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,320
It sucks.

1431
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,640
Or I'll be like, Oh, put my little director hat on, get myself a chair.

1432
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:51,640
I'm ready to go.

1433
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,680
You know, like, I dunno.

1434
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,080
So it's just like one of those things of like just playing, just having a play.

1435
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,760
And that's so fun about being creative.

1436
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,760
It's just playing with stuff.

1437
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,480
I think it's also like, um, with, and particularly with like directing or script writing or anything,

1438
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,680
you are studying the story as you say from scratch.

1439
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:14,400
And then I think like, that's the thing I love about directing as well is like guiding

1440
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,400
the story because what a script tells you and then what actually ends up on screen or

1441
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,920
like, you know, um, you know, if it's ready play on a audio or anything is different to

1442
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:30,040
what the script initially for sure, like outlining is because tonally it depends who you cast

1443
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,760
and then like what flavor that they bring as well.

1444
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,720
And you constantly can't be like a hundred percent in your vision.

1445
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,960
Like you can't be like, I've locked everything off because it could be budgetary restraints.

1446
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,620
It could be like a whole bunch of different things.

1447
01:04:44,620 --> 01:04:49,980
And I think that one of the things, the challenges that have come across is definitely after

1448
01:04:49,980 --> 01:04:57,380
casting and after every sort of decision you've made, um, is kind of pinpoints to the end

1449
01:04:57,380 --> 01:04:58,380
result.

1450
01:04:58,380 --> 01:05:06,120
And I think that, you know, it's so interesting as well because I feel like there is, um,

1451
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,320
I've worked with a lot of different people and a lot of different like, um, you know,

1452
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:10,320
technical people as well.

1453
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,600
And I think there's always pros and cons to everyone you work with, you know, like, um,

1454
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,880
but like any business, but when you find the people who love making the things that you

1455
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,760
love making, yeah, you're like, Oh, hello.

1456
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,760
Yeah.

1457
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,360
And you're like, I'm giving you.

1458
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,120
Hey, um, yeah, it's like, you just, you get excited.

1459
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,520
And I think that there's always like team members and, and performers and people that

1460
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:35,520
I know.

1461
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:36,520
I'm like, Oh, hands down.

1462
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:37,520
It doesn't matter.

1463
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,440
The project, I'll just be like, nah, you come, you come and do something.

1464
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,520
Because you're going to bring something that I love.

1465
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:43,520
Yeah.

1466
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,760
And I think, you know, when it's, when it's very similar visions, um, like I'm a big

1467
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:48,760
horror fan.

1468
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,560
I'm a big like, um, but it was like, uh, you know, the prime example of like the Jenga

1469
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,520
trailer, which I was telling you about earlier.

1470
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,720
I think with that, I wrote that so long ago.

1471
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,200
And like, ever since I conceived it, I was like, cool.

1472
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,880
I've written an outline for a lot of jokes that could either work or fail.

1473
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,280
But you know what I do also love is people to bring their own to this because it's so

1474
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,280
interpretive to how you perform.

1475
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,160
And also like what people suggest, cause I was always imagining filming that over two

1476
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,160
days and people going, cool, I have a great idea for a shot.

1477
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,160
Let's do it.

1478
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,880
Like just flowing with it because the more, because it's a trailer and it can be like

1479
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,880
two minutes length.

1480
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:26,880
Yeah.

1481
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,080
It can be as ludicrous and as much filmed and you know, you just grab a few lights and

1482
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,600
you know, you might just put it all together and see what happens.

1483
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:33,600
Yeah.

1484
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,160
And I think that's half the fun because it makes me feel like back in the days when I

1485
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:42,000
used to watch college humor or something on YouTube and the ridiculousness that they filmed

1486
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,480
stuff and like, you know, their backyard or, you know, there's a bunch of comedy sketches

1487
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,480
I watched.

1488
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,760
It was just like low budget, funny, silly, goofy time.

1489
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,680
And I feel like people forget that now with, you know, like people are quite serious, which

1490
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,920
is wild to think about when I'm a comedian.

1491
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,680
So that's like my, that's like my main situation, I guess.

1492
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:08,360
And like a lot of the things that I'm being quirky, comedian girl.

1493
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,640
I think it's just this haircut to be perfectly honest with me.

1494
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,040
It's the only thing they're laughing at.

1495
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,040
Yeah.

1496
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,040
They're like the Lord Farquaad.

1497
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:18,720
But like, you know, like, I'm amazed that name passed.

1498
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,160
Oh my God.

1499
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,160
So funny.

1500
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,760
Shout out to Dreamworks.

1501
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,040
Imagine the meetings they had and just went, our kid's going to get this.

1502
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,960
You know what, who this will be funny for?

1503
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:29,960
Adults.

1504
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:36,880
But yeah, like you look at, you know, like comedy stuff or like little sketches and stuff,

1505
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:44,320
and you can kind of tell when it's not like a playful time and people have taken it really

1506
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,320
seriously.

1507
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:46,320
Yeah.

1508
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,400
And you're like, just, just get weird, man.

1509
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,080
Like just get a little, have a little silly, get the sillies out.

1510
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,080
Go nuts.

1511
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,080
Yeah.

1512
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,200
Because like that's where some of like your best work comes from is just, I think at least

1513
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:03,800
because, you know, going back to collaboration, a lot of sort of things that you can kind

1514
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:10,040
of work on in like the comedy sense is improv.

1515
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,560
So I'm a big like improv comedian.

1516
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:18,520
And a lot of the, like, so when I did comedy festival, I was doing a play and you know,

1517
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,840
I just off the cuff, like probably because I forgot my dialogue.

1518
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,200
Sorry, Nathan and Chloe.

1519
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,160
That was my bad.

1520
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,480
But you know, like I would just improvise these jokes and then I'm like, great, let's

1521
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:31,480
add them in.

1522
01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:36,640
They're like, we, we didn't think of that because that's not in our wheelhouse or like

1523
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:41,560
that's not something that would come into anyone else's brain, but yours.

1524
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:47,200
And that's really, really important, I think in just like in general, but also in like

1525
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,600
creative sort of industry way is like, there are certain ideas that will only come into

1526
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:58,400
your brain and that is so valuable to a project or to a group of people or to who you are

1527
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:03,800
doing your creative thing and like embrace that and like, get it out, get it from your

1528
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,200
brain out of your mouth and let's see what happens.

1529
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,240
Let's see what sticks because it's like, that's so valuable.

1530
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:14,080
And it's like, you're giving something that no one else has seen or no one else has thought

1531
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:18,040
of and it could work or it could be a total piece of shit and that's fine.

1532
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,440
And that's, that happens to me quite a lot and that's okay.

1533
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:27,120
But yeah, it's like, it's so exciting when you're doing that collaboratively and like

1534
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,080
doing just silly goose things.

1535
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,080
Yeah.

1536
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:39,200
And I think it's like, you know, people forget it when they take everything so, so seriously.

1537
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,360
I think we're all in, especially in this day and age trying to make films that go into

1538
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,520
festivals and go into like big things.

1539
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,240
Fit into that box or the parameter.

1540
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:48,240
Yeah, I know.

1541
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:52,840
And I've had, every time I suggest a film to some people, they go, oh, so what festivals?

1542
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,720
And I'm like, I haven't even thought that far ahead.

1543
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,840
I was just thinking, do you want to have a laugh?

1544
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,400
I haven't got the cast down.

1545
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:00,400
I haven't even got a script.

1546
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,400
I've got this brief idea.

1547
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,680
I have a thought process.

1548
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:05,680
Would you like to join?

1549
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,200
Oh no, it's not, it might not win me an Oscar.

1550
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,200
Great.

1551
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,200
Sure.

1552
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:15,560
Like if you think always like that, you're never going to do anything.

1553
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,280
It's so specific.

1554
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,640
And it's also very subjective.

1555
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:27,400
And I think like, you know, people that I know get very bogged down by reviews.

1556
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,720
And I mean, this happened to me also.

1557
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,400
You get sort of, you, I mean, you try not to, but it's the sick part of your brain.

1558
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,480
You're like, Oh my God, about me, I'm going to read about me.

1559
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:37,480
I love me.

1560
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:38,960
Have you ever typed yourself into Google?

1561
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:39,960
Absolutely.

1562
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:40,960
Of course I have.

1563
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:41,960
Are you insane?

1564
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,360
But yeah, like you read a review and it's, you know, some of it's positive or some of

1565
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:47,360
it's not positive.

1566
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,520
And you're like, Oh, like you're attacking me and my art and what I've worked my whole

1567
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,880
life to do.

1568
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,040
And you're just a critic.

1569
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,240
You're just a journalist.

1570
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:57,680
You're just a whoever.

1571
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:02,680
But then you step away from it and you're like, it's just a person doing their job.

1572
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:07,140
Like you're just doing your job and it's all subjective.

1573
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:09,520
So it's like, I mean, it's like watching a cooking show, right?

1574
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,880
So you're watching master chef and you're like, Oh, that looks really good.

1575
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,040
And the judge is like, this tastes like shit.

1576
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,040
I hate this meal.

1577
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,040
And you're like, Oh my God, what do you mean?

1578
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,040
Ow.

1579
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,760
But it's like, it's nothing to do with you.

1580
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,960
And like one person could love it.

1581
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,480
One person's like, this is the grossest meal I've ever had in my life.

1582
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:28,480
I'm like, God, yes.

1583
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:31,480
And then the other person's like, what the fuck?

1584
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:32,480
I hate this.

1585
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:33,480
Yeah.

1586
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:34,480
Get away from me.

1587
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,040
Never cook this meal for any living human being again.

1588
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,560
And it's just like, it's all subjective and you kind of have to take, take everything

1589
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,480
with a grain of salt, I guess.

1590
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:46,840
And not get like too bogged down and things being really negative.

1591
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,200
I mean, sometimes they are, but what can you do?

1592
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,200
Oh, a hundred percent.

1593
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,220
And I think that some people are like, Oh my God.

1594
01:11:54,220 --> 01:11:59,880
This is my self-worth tied up in this three star review that I got in a back catalog magazine

1595
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:00,880
thing.

1596
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,160
You know, like don't worry about it.

1597
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:09,480
You know what I learned not to give a shit about is IMDB ratings.

1598
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:13,680
It's like, and a lot of the time it's just people with like, I mean, not everybody, obviously

1599
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,920
there are some very valuable things on there, but you can kind of tell when it's just people

1600
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,920
that have nothing else to do.

1601
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:20,920
Yeah.

1602
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:21,920
And you're like, okay.

1603
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,360
So you hated it because like there was too many explosions.

1604
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,360
Cool.

1605
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,360
Watch something else.

1606
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:28,360
Don't watch an action movie.

1607
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:29,360
Yeah, I know.

1608
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,400
It's also like, you know, everyone comparing themselves on the star meter and, you know,

1609
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:33,400
and stuff like that.

1610
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,680
So like I've not worked on a project.

1611
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:44,920
I don't think that has, I remember one, um, uh, like video that I did for a friend got

1612
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,020
quite a few views and it was positively received.

1613
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:51,800
But I mean, like when you compare yourself to getting laurels or like, you know, how

1614
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,120
many awards and you know, people talk about awards constantly and they're like, Oh, my

1615
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,680
recognition has been seen.

1616
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,120
I'm like, that's lovely.

1617
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:03,720
But I think, you know, some of the best films that I've seen and some of my friends have

1618
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,560
done have been done by themselves.

1619
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:10,040
Like, you know, whether it's out of lockdown or anything like that, like, um, you know,

1620
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,160
you know, people do really well, but I think when you're constantly going IMDB, everyone

1621
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,680
thinks it's shit or YouTube comments tell me I'm shit.

1622
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,320
And I'm like, they've got nothing, as you say, they've got nothing better to do than

1623
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:22,320
just complain.

1624
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,320
And it's like, cool.

1625
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,320
Yeah.

1626
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:31,880
Because, um, I was in a web series and there were lots of comments from people and not

1627
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,320
all of them were very nice.

1628
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:38,960
Like, and you know, they would DM me very unhelpful, very not very nice things that

1629
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,520
were very gross.

1630
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,600
And you're like, okay, one don't just don't do that.

1631
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:47,600
Yeah.

1632
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,440
Because a lot of it was just unnecessary.

1633
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:53,600
But then you're like, why are they saying these things?

1634
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:02,320
Like what is it that has potentially come up, like activated something within them to

1635
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,280
cause them to feel this way?

1636
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,480
Or is it just cause they've got nothing better to do?

1637
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:12,000
Like are you projecting something out that they didn't feel comfortable seeing or that

1638
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,840
they weren't ready to see?

1639
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,440
Or are they just a troll?

1640
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:21,840
You know, and also it goes back to that measuring of success as well, when you were saying about

1641
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:29,280
like laurels and awards and things is like, because there's no, I was explaining this

1642
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,600
to, or I was having this conversation with my mum not that long ago about there's no

1643
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:40,040
real like parameters for creativity, which is amazing.

1644
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:44,160
And there shouldn't be because creativity is absolutely unhinged.

1645
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:49,520
But you know, there's no kind of definite thing.

1646
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:55,520
Like if you have maybe like an office job, for example, which we've all had, you're

1647
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:56,920
like, okay, so I've started here.

1648
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,160
I got a promotion.

1649
01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:59,160
I got a raise.

1650
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,160
I got another promotion.

1651
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,160
I'm now doing this.

1652
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,160
This is my title.

1653
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,160
Yeah.

1654
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,240
You don't have that with creativity necessarily.

1655
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,040
You're not like, okay, well I've done a film.

1656
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,040
I've done another film.

1657
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:10,960
I'm on TV.

1658
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,520
I'm back doing theatre.

1659
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,640
I won an award or I didn't do any of those things.

1660
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,680
I'm just doing whatever it is that you're doing.

1661
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:25,160
Like there's no indication of like success or like how well you're going.

1662
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,920
So it's like something you have to like self-regulate, I suppose.

1663
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,080
And it's like, cool, you got some awards.

1664
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:30,080
That's great.

1665
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,080
I love that for you.

1666
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,080
Amazing recognition.

1667
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,080
Yes.

1668
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:43,320
But that shouldn't be the only measure or the only kind of indicator of how well you're

1669
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:49,000
doing because it's like you can win no awards and no one gives a shit like in that sense,

1670
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:54,040
but you've got people from Norway and like Indonesia being like, oh my God, I saw you

1671
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,040
in this thing.

1672
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,040
How amazing is that?

1673
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,880
And you're like, I'm Mr. Worldwide.

1674
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,800
I've made it, baby.

1675
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,360
Everyone's looking at my face now.

1676
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:04,360
Yeah.

1677
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:09,000
Like I've got, I've, I've managed to, for lack of a better word, like touch someone

1678
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:16,360
in that creative way for something that I did as a piss take, for example.

1679
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,920
And you're like, oh my God, how good's that?

1680
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,240
I mean, yeah, it's, it's, I think it's like the same thing.

1681
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:30,920
And I was having this discussion, you know, cause it's kind of like the thing that I battle

1682
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,720
with all the time about like original content and copyrighted content.

1683
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,000
And when you're making, you're making things that are like, you know, obviously because

1684
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:45,120
and everyone's heard it around the podcast, but like when I do my doctor, like individual

1685
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:51,600
stuff online, there's this big, there is a community there, but then like I've worked

1686
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:56,160
on some episodes with people who've never watched the show under a million years and

1687
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,160
like, cool, that's fine.

1688
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,120
I'll give you a brief rundown, but then how much time do you have?

1689
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:02,120
Five minutes.

1690
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,120
Okay, cool.

1691
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,160
I'll give you a sentence.

1692
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,960
But then also at the same time I've, I've had, you know, other projects that, you know,

1693
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,680
like haven't seen as, you know, being seen as many as the ones, you know, that I've done,

1694
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:15,840
which already have a fan base.

1695
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:21,600
Like, so I do think, and I think I always tell, especially with those projects, I tell

1696
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:26,120
actors and I tell people who are, you know, first time working inside, this is probably

1697
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,120
gonna not break a bank.

1698
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,720
This is probably not going to be like, you know, everyone's going to see it.

1699
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,720
Yeah.

1700
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:33,720
You're going to have a fun time.

1701
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:34,720
You're going to have a fun day.

1702
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,360
You're going to film something, you go home.

1703
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,640
It's literally just the coolest thing.

1704
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:45,280
But I think when people take that as a very serious job, I'm like, that's when you take

1705
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,320
the fun element out because like, obviously, you know, as performers, we want to do our

1706
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,800
best or, you know, as creators, we want to do our best.

1707
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,000
But I'm at the end of the day, these projects that I do, especially those ones, which, you

1708
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,480
know, I know there's going to be no profit return or anything, other ones that I'm like,

1709
01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:05,160
yes, how can I technologically or think outside the box normally and throw challenges that

1710
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:10,720
if like, say someone was paying me to do a big thing and they want it specifically, I'm

1711
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,920
not going to think out of their curriculum box.

1712
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,960
Like I'm going to stay within my parameters.

1713
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,760
And these are projects that I don't have to do that.

1714
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,120
But then people go, oh, you know, I've worked with people that's a lot of effort.

1715
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,680
I'm like, yeah, but when do you get this level of creative freedom?

1716
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:26,760
Like for sure.

1717
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:31,640
When do you get the opportunity to play this much on your own terms and create the way

1718
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:32,640
that you want to?

1719
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:33,640
Yeah.

1720
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,200
And I feel like, you know, when we're given that much power and people just don't know

1721
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,400
what to do with it because they're so used to the like the regimented.

1722
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:41,400
They're overwhelmed.

1723
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:42,400
Yeah.

1724
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,400
And then they're like, I need 10 minutes to think about it.

1725
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,400
I'm like, you've got five.

1726
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,400
You've got less.

1727
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,280
Do heaps less thing quickly.

1728
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:58,600
But I definitely think like we've got one shoot day up in October.

1729
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,720
And I know that I talked to my DAP and I was like, cool.

1730
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:03,720
It's going to be like a play.

1731
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,840
We're going to sort of like have a lot of shots that move into another shot, not just

1732
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,840
all rigid, like, you know, you're not going to just lock it off and sit there.

1733
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,160
And he was like, cool.

1734
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,160
Okay, done.

1735
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,160
And I was like, cool.

1736
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:19,840
You know, someone who's not just, you know, going to point, point and shoot.

1737
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,960
I hate that mentality where you're not challenging yourself to always structure.

1738
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:30,960
And especially when it's a long script, like we've got nine, we've got 10 pages to learn

1739
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,480
and that's with seven characters.

1740
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:34,800
That's a lot of cash.

1741
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:41,280
So it is essentially is you have to keep moving and you know, in one day we're filming at

1742
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,920
all and that like a wild dialogue is pretty easy to film.

1743
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,280
It, you know, when you're on a roll, you can keep moving with the situation and it does

1744
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,080
speed things up.

1745
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:56,040
But I do fundamentally think that, you know, like, Oh, it has to be, you know, when we

1746
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,920
learn the basic principles of filmmaking, everyone's like your master shot, your close

1747
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:00,920
ups.

1748
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,600
I'm like, that is cool and everything, but it's also very generic.

1749
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,480
Like let's give it a bit of variety.

1750
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:06,480
Yeah.

1751
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,480
Let's see what we can come up with.

1752
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:12,080
Because again, like you, sorry, sorry if you guys had that, that was my stomach rumbling.

1753
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,080
I didn't even hear it.

1754
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,080
Did you hear that?

1755
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,080
No.

1756
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,080
Oh, wow.

1757
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,600
It's very loud to me.

1758
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:19,600
Enjoy.

1759
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:26,720
Um, I think also it's like, it's a good base to start from, but then it's like, what, yeah,

1760
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,240
it goes back to that thing of like, what can you bring?

1761
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:34,720
Like what, what have you seen that I may have missed because I'm doing 78 other different

1762
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,480
things in this project, which I think is cool as well.

1763
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:42,520
Cause you're like, Oh, DLP, you've got some ideas.

1764
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:43,880
Bring them forth.

1765
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:44,880
Let's see.

1766
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,280
Let's have a go.

1767
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:50,560
Let's just like, let's just throw some shit to the wall, see what sticks and then we'll

1768
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:51,920
like go with that.

1769
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:52,920
Yeah.

1770
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,320
Cause you can always refine in the edit.

1771
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:55,320
Yeah.

1772
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,640
Or you can just film it again.

1773
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,040
So crazy to think digital, but you can just do it again.

1774
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:06,040
You know, you know what though, my favorite is working with, um, love some of my actors

1775
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:10,320
who have been involved, but because of the pandemic and stuff, they're like, I've been

1776
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,920
able to film with them, which is fantastic because they were going to go overseas.

1777
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,560
And now I realized we could only do like one or two days of them.

1778
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,840
So I'm really like, like rigid to times constraints.

1779
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,200
I'm like, well, they're not fucking up.

1780
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,120
But actually they're a good job.

1781
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,280
So that's like the only stress is when people are like, I'm leaving the country and you're

1782
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,400
like, fuck, just stick around.

1783
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:33,400
Like just stay here.

1784
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,720
I know you want a career over somewhere else, but now fuck it.

1785
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,400
Like just stay out with me.

1786
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,640
I'm the best.

1787
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:45,920
But I think also like in terms of, you know, like being creative is, is also a business.

1788
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,800
And this goes back to the modeling thing.

1789
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:54,160
That's only just back into my head now is like, people forget that as a creative person,

1790
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,760
you are a business and you are working to time constraints.

1791
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:02,560
So you're working to a budget or you're working to parameters that are outside of your control

1792
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,880
or like a health thing or deadlines or whatever.

1793
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,240
And so it's kind of like in the back of your mind, that's always there.

1794
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:11,240
Do you find that?

1795
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,880
That when you're like creating something, cause I do, cause I'm like, well, I am a business.

1796
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,560
So it's like, I need to be as healthy as possible all the time.

1797
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,680
Otherwise I can't do my job.

1798
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,360
And then like, what are you going to do?

1799
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,280
It was, it was one of the biggest stresses.

1800
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:29,160
So at the beginning of the year, I, um, you know, did a massive leg injury.

1801
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:33,080
I tore my leg, um, um, my meniscus in my leg, which is the ligament.

1802
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,680
Are you okay now?

1803
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,680
Yeah, I'm fine now.

1804
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,560
I'm about to do a bridge climb this afternoon.

1805
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,040
So what do you fucking do?

1806
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,280
I will not be joining because that absolutely terrifies me.

1807
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,280
I do.

1808
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:45,280
Okay.

1809
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:46,280
Sorry.

1810
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,280
Sidebar.

1811
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,160
So many people have said to me, are you going to do the bridge climb when you're in Sydney?

1812
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,360
I was like, I have a fear of heights.

1813
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:53,360
Why would I do that?

1814
01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:04,200
Why would I, why would I subject my mind and body to walking up a very breezy thing and

1815
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,400
I'm strapped in with a fucking carabiner.

1816
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,720
Are you joking?

1817
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:09,720
What are you saying?

1818
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,840
It's pure, I will blow away my God.

1819
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,880
It's insane.

1820
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:20,800
I mean, I, many kudos and much respect to you that you're going on a bridge climb.

1821
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,800
Um, but good grief.

1822
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,360
I know, right?

1823
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:25,360
Good grief.

1824
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:26,760
Um, it was Emily's birthday gift to me.

1825
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,120
So, you know, we were meant to do it in February and then my leg went so.

1826
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,120
Yeah, sorry.

1827
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,120
Go back to your leg.

1828
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:33,120
I'm so sorry.

1829
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:37,960
So I had a, I had a leg injury and then all my schedule for this year had to be pushed.

1830
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:42,720
Like, um, and I don't think, you know, I had a lot of friends who were kind of like, Oh,

1831
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:43,880
can't you work around your leg?

1832
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,320
And I'm like, no, no.

1833
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:50,280
I think that you, as someone who was being able-bodied for a majority of their life and

1834
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:55,200
had this injury suddenly means they can't walk and they can't do anything independently

1835
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,760
for, however, I think it was like eight weeks.

1836
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:59,760
I couldn't do anything.

1837
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:06,200
Like two months of my life was basically there, you know, physio and then, you know, um, doctor's

1838
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:07,200
appointments and everything.

1839
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,320
So, and, you know, I was going through the works and then, you know, I think about everyone

1840
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,960
who's like, you know, actually does that on like a daily basis, you know, their own like,

1841
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:20,880
um, lives where there is an ailment, um, or a condition that they've got.

1842
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:27,040
And um, yeah, it was just, it was very eye-opening, but also it did make me feel very judgmental

1843
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,080
with able-bodied people go, oh, you could just work around them.

1844
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,560
Like, I don't think I can.

1845
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,800
I don't think you know how I feel right now, but sure.

1846
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:37,800
Fuck you.

1847
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:42,120
It's like I, a couple of years ago, I slipped a disc in my back and I didn't know that I'd

1848
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:43,360
slipped a disc in my back.

1849
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,240
I thought I'd just pulled a muscle.

1850
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,400
Um, turns out I didn't.

1851
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,280
So I was, yeah, I was about to say classic.

1852
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,440
So I was, um, pretty much unable to do anything for six months.

1853
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:55,040
Like I couldn't walk by myself.

1854
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,320
I couldn't sleep.

1855
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,640
I wasn't able to like sit properly.

1856
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:00,640
Like I couldn't do anything.

1857
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,640
So it, yeah.

1858
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,680
So you're very, and then people were like, oh, we need you to like model the scene.

1859
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,520
Like, can you come shoot this thing with us?

1860
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,000
Like, I just need you to film this tape really quickly or whatever.

1861
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,040
And I was like, I can barely like function.

1862
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,040
Yeah.

1863
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:21,560
So it's, yeah, it kind of sounds awful to say, but it is very eye-opening, um, to kind

1864
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:26,680
of understand because obviously like being able, as you said, able-bodied for the majority

1865
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:33,080
of my life, you, you don't understand on a firsthand.

1866
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:38,080
You can, you can empathize and you can be like, I, I see how this is difficult for you,

1867
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,280
but I, I don't have that lived experience.

1868
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:46,160
So I can't comment to your experience because it's inappropriate and rude.

1869
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:47,160
Yeah.

1870
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:53,400
Um, yeah, so it's kind of, it's very sort of like selfish way of, from other people,

1871
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:57,640
at least being like, oh, well, you can just like work around it or you can, it'll take

1872
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,760
like five minutes or like, it's okay.

1873
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:01,760
Like don't worry about it.

1874
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:02,760
We'll get you a chair.

1875
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,760
And it's like, bro, I can't sit in a chair.

1876
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:05,760
You're joking.

1877
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,040
It's like my back is in agony, but sure.

1878
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:09,040
Yeah.

1879
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,440
I was like, I was literally hunched over like, like that.

1880
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:16,360
Like it was like fully, like I was probably like five, it's cause I'm five 10.

1881
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,800
So I shrunk down to like five, seven because I couldn't stand up straight.

1882
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:20,800
It was insane.

1883
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:21,800
Did you have to have surgery?

1884
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,040
No, I just had a lot of physio and Valium.

1885
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,320
How good is Valium?

1886
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:30,320
Shout out to Valium.

1887
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,320
Yeah, I know.

1888
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,320
I'd suck it.

1889
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,600
Um, this isn't an endorsement, by the way, only use it if you need it.

1890
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,960
Please don't use it unless you need it, but it is very good.

1891
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,480
Um, no, I definitely think that like, um, when I left the hospital, they were like,

1892
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:47,840
here's some Endone and I'm like, Endone sucks.

1893
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:52,840
My, I, I had an Endone, um, because I, I was in so much pain.

1894
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:59,640
I was horrific and I was in my room on my bed and my brother, he's a paramedic and

1895
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,800
he came to check on me and he was like, how are you doing?

1896
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:06,120
And I was like, I can't feel my body, but my brain is awake.

1897
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,120
And he's like, what?

1898
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,120
I was like, help me.

1899
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,520
Cause I was like, was zonked out of my mind and I just like, couldn't feel anything.

1900
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:13,520
He's like, okay, it's kicking in.

1901
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:19,040
I was like, I hate it here because I was like still fully conscious, but it was like having

1902
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,040
sleep paralysis.

1903
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:21,040
Like I just couldn't move.

1904
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,040
Wow.

1905
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,040
Okay.

1906
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,040
That's kind of scary.

1907
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,040
And I was like, hello.

1908
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:26,040
And then I went to sleep.

1909
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:27,040
He's like, I talked to you for five minutes.

1910
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,040
I was like, what did I say?

1911
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,040
He's like, I don't know.

1912
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,040
I think you were delirious.

1913
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,120
He's like, you were just like zonked on another planet.

1914
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:35,680
He's like, I have no idea what you said.

1915
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:40,400
He's like, you just kept talking at me and then you just fell asleep straight away.

1916
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,760
And then I just left you cause I didn't know what to do.

1917
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,640
I was like, you're a medical professional.

1918
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:48,640
This is your job.

1919
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:49,640
Yeah.

1920
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:50,640
And you fail.

1921
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:51,640
Help me.

1922
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:52,640
All right.

1923
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:53,640
Bye.

1924
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:54,640
Yeah.

1925
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:55,640
He was just like, yeah, she'll be right.

1926
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:56,640
He's like, oh, she's sleeping.

1927
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:57,640
Don't worry about it.

1928
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,040
It's like now has to know what he's like at work.

1929
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,040
No, he's great.

1930
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:08,640
He's, he's a great, he's a great medical professional, but he was just like, you're my sister.

1931
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,560
You're kidding.

1932
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:21,360
He's like, I came back to check on you later and you were just like, and then I left.

1933
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,240
That's the best reenactment of your sleep.

1934
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,240
What can I say?

1935
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:27,240
Acting?

1936
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,240
Years of training.

1937
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:31,240
Method.

1938
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:32,240
You joke yet?

1939
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:33,240
True.

1940
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:34,240
True.

1941
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:39,320
I think that's a perfect point to wrap us up.

1942
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,040
I like, I like that.

1943
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:48,720
That's how this ends is maybe like catatonic and you'd be like, that's good.

1944
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:56,560
That's the energy we need to leave the people.

1945
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,480
I mean, I came in pretty much off the rails.

1946
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:03,080
So yeah, I know this is going to sound really bad.

1947
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:07,000
I'm actually a very calm, semi-normal person.

1948
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,320
Most of the time I'm very relaxed.

1949
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,120
I'm very, I think it's cause you, you're feeding off my cookie energy.

1950
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:13,480
I think so, which is nice.

1951
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:18,000
I must say, considering I have no idea what's happened by me.

1952
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,080
I have no idea where I am, what I'm doing.

1953
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,080
The state is crazy.

1954
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,080
I love it.

1955
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,080
Very happy to be here.

1956
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:28,080
I'm glad you're like where the fuck am I?

1957
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,080
What's happening?

1958
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:31,080
Hello?

1959
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:32,080
Help me.

1960
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,080
Mom, come get me.

1961
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,080
I'm scared.

1962
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,360
My viewers are going to be so concerned.

1963
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:39,360
I'm just kidding.

1964
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:40,360
I'm having a great time.

1965
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,360
This is just so, we're all silly.

1966
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,240
Having a silly, silly time.

1967
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:45,240
I just licked my mic.

1968
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:49,040
Like I said, we're all having a very silly time.

1969
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:54,560
Um, Dom, where can people find you on the wonderful internet?

1970
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,760
Where can they stalk you?

1971
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,760
On the line.

1972
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:05,400
So you can find me at DominicShields, D-O-M-I-N-I-K-S-H-I-E-L-D-S.com.

1973
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,120
And I have a variety of things on there.

1974
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,480
Acting, modeling, my books are for sale on there.

1975
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:12,280
I have a little writing program that's on there as well if you want to hang out with

1976
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:16,480
me online or in real life, if you're in Melbourne.

1977
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:20,240
And my Instagram handle is D-O-M-M-E-R-G-H-Z.

1978
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:21,240
Dumbas.

1979
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:22,240
Dumbas.

1980
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:23,240
I fucking love that.

1981
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:31,600
It was, yeah, I don't know why that that was a nickname that I decided to create for

1982
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,520
myself, but here we are.

1983
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:34,520
We're all alive in 2014.

1984
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:35,520
It's okay.

1985
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,760
Is that how old that name is?

1986
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:38,760
I think so.

1987
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:39,760
Yeah.

1988
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:40,880
It's been a hot moment.

1989
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,880
I have an old email address called the centeroftheuniverse.com.

1990
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:44,880
Oh my God.

1991
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,760
I like don't know why I created it.

1992
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,400
I created that when I was like 15.

1993
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:49,400
Do you still have the password?

1994
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:50,400
Fucked if I know.

1995
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,720
I was going to say, just start using it.

1996
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,960
I could be your new business email.

1997
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:57,960
That would be amazing.

1998
01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:58,960
Interesting.

1999
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:05,480
I don't know how many people like I'm like a true egotistic person now, but it's not

2000
01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:06,480
at all true.

2001
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,840
I hope you've had a great time.

2002
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:10,040
I've had the best time.

2003
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,040
Thank you so much for having me.

2004
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,040
It's been really fun.

2005
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,040
Thank you.

2006
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,040
Thank you for traveling all the way down from Melbourne for a holiday.

2007
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:17,040
Up?

2008
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,040
Down?

2009
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:19,040
Up.

2010
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,040
Sorry.

2011
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,040
Get your act together.

2012
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,040
It's fine.

2013
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,040
We're creative, not cartographers.

2014
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,040
Don't worry about it.

2015
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:25,040
I didn't.

2016
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,040
I failed geography.

2017
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,040
I'd like you to know.

2018
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:28,040
Really?

2019
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:29,040
Oh.

2020
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,040
Shock.

2021
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,040
Fuck.

2022
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:36,040
But thank you very much.

2023
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,040
I'm just kidding.

2024
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,040
That was really savage.

2025
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,040
Love you.

2026
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,040
It was very fun.

2027
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:41,040
Thank you so much for having me.

2028
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,040
I hope you all enjoyed listening.

2029
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:43,040
It was very fun to chat with you.

2030
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,040
Thank you.

2031
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:49,040
And I hope everyone had a fun episode listening to our little weird conversation.

2032
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,680
And if you want to go and listen to plenty more weird conversations, you can check out

2033
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,040
more episodes of The Things We Do.

2034
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,280
They're available on Apple and Spotify.

2035
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:01,240
I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all weird people later.

2036
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:02,240
Goodbye.

2037
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:09,080
Are you going to pull your clothes off