1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,800 than anything we say can be edited in or out. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:03,800 I love it. 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,440 Is there anything we shouldn't say on the podcast or is pretty much anything at it? 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,440 I don't. 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:15,200 As long as I don't get emotionally, psychologically, or physically attacked, I'm not- 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:20,200 I don't know what you're expecting from this podcast, but none of the above. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,200 Great. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,200 I know. 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,880 I'm also not someone that has any reputation to ruin, so we're literally fine. 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:28,880 But not really. 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,560 I really like getting into and having challenging conversations and looking at my- I love looking 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,560 at gray areas. 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,560 Yeah. 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,800 So everyone thinks very black and white in life, but there's always middle grounds that 15 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,200 are really interesting to explore. 16 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,440 So I'm- yeah, I'm not sensitive when it comes to topics. 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Yeah. 18 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,440 If that makes sense. 19 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,440 Okay. 20 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,440 That's- 21 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,440 Yeah. 22 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,440 I'll just go wild. 23 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,440 Uh-oh. 24 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,440 I will. 25 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,440 Uh-oh. 26 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,440 Uh-oh. 27 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,280 What do people usually say they're sensitive about? 28 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,880 They just go- they don't know, and then they go and chuckle awkwardly, and then they realize 29 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,720 I ask a lot of very, very deep philosophical questions. 30 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,960 I think it's like people have this expectation that you're not going to poke too deep, because 31 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:17,160 people think that they're like, oh, now it's a podcast talking about myself. 32 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,200 And I'm like, no, I'm literally going to ask you every question. 33 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,720 Oh, like- all right, let's do it. 34 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,680 I'm like, let's have fun- yep, no, let's just do it. 35 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,680 Now I'm nervous, but I wasn't before. 36 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,960 I'm like, is there things that I don't want to talk about? 37 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:33,960 I don't know. 38 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,040 I mean, you can always edit them out and ask them. 39 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,880 And it's just- we'll be fine. 40 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,640 And your last name's just Pat Moore, isn't it? 41 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Yes. 42 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,640 What a lovely name. 43 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Are you sure about that? 44 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:46,640 Yes. 45 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,640 Okay. 46 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:48,640 Amy Patmore. 47 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,640 Right. 48 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,640 It's a great name. 49 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,640 It is a good name, isn't it? 50 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:52,640 It's very simple. 51 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,640 It's humble. 52 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,600 You always want like a great nickname, don't you? 53 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Like, I don't know, Amy Swift. 54 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,080 I've definitely, like when I was a kid, like Amy Swift, you know? 55 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,080 Yeah. 56 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,080 And you don't spell Amy like a normal human. 57 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,160 You spell it the French way. 58 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,480 You spell it the French way. 59 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Did you know the French? 60 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Amy Patmore. 61 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:25,960 This is The Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film life, television culture, mental 62 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,760 health and all of that fun jazzy stuff. 63 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Today I've got my special guest and friend, Amy Patmore. 64 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,160 Hello. 65 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,160 Hello. 66 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:41,400 So, first and most difficult question for you tonight is tell everyone on the internet, 67 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,160 who you are and what you do. 68 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Oh my gosh. 69 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,160 I feel like I'm in an audition right now. 70 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,160 I know. 71 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,160 Who am I? 72 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Who am I? 73 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Oh my goodness. 74 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,160 So, my name is Amy Patmore. 75 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:57,760 I am a actress slash director slash filmmaker. 76 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,400 And then my hustle job on the side is I'm a singing coach, which is something I love. 77 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:09,400 I love giving people an experience of creativity when I am striving for my own. 78 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,320 So, I guess, is that a good introduction? 79 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:20,000 I think it's like the best pitch because it was so solid until you're like, I'm doing 80 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,080 this and striving myself. 81 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,280 Striving is a horrible word. 82 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,200 I'm thriving and living my best life. 83 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,200 There we go. 84 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,200 It's more uplifted. 85 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,680 It sounds like you're striving as you're just like trying to use everyone's boost to kind 86 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,680 of boost you. 87 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:36,680 You're so right. 88 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,680 I don't want to be a desperate actor. 89 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,040 That's the worst thing. 90 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,040 I'm not a desperate actor. 91 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,040 Okay, I'm not. 92 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,040 I'm not. 93 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,040 Yeah. 94 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Higher me now. 95 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,720 So, what came first out of all of this sort of crazy adventure? 96 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,120 What did you kind of like lean into first when you were young, Amy? 97 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Oh, young Amy. 98 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,160 Good old young Amy. 99 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,360 I actually started acting very, very young. 100 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,320 So, I actually started at the age of eight years old. 101 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Wow. 102 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,680 And it's so funny that we're in the podcast today because I remember today I was driving 103 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,280 in my car. 104 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Not my car, by the way. 105 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,520 I'm throwing my mom's because my car broke down. 106 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,520 I know. 107 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Very frustrating. 108 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:18,120 And I was in the car when I was a kid and I was like, I think I want to be an actor. 109 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,400 And a lot of people would see me as kids and be like, oh, you know, to my mom, your daughter 110 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:22,400 should be an actor. 111 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:28,520 And she'd be like, I don't know, like, you know, complicated thing to put a child into. 112 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,680 And they were probably like partly right about that because it wasn't probably the best time 113 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,400 to start a career in acting. 114 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Because if anyone knows, it's a very intense psychological, mental field. 115 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,080 Right? 116 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,680 We all know that. 117 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,160 You've got to be very mentally strong. 118 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:51,160 So, I went in at eight and I remember being like, what is the biggest thing that an actor 119 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,160 can be? 120 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,760 And my mom was like, an A-list actor. 121 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,040 And I was like, I'm going to be an A-list actor. 122 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,040 And I held onto the hope. 123 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,400 I was like, I want to be an A-list actor. 124 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,320 And I was like, who is an A-list actor? 125 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,760 And, you know, Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman. 126 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,840 I was like, okay, I'm going to be like them when I grow up. 127 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:06,840 That's what I want to be. 128 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,760 And, you know, when you're eight and you're innocent, you like, you know, you look for 129 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,880 big visuals, big ideas, big people. 130 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,880 And so I was like, I'm going to be like that when I grow up. 131 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,960 And then I secured a little extra role on the film Australia with Marcel Lohmann. 132 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,000 I saw the man live and doing his thing. 133 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,440 I was like, what do I say to finish that sentence? 134 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,440 Just live and doing his thing. 135 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Alive. 136 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,440 He's still alive. 137 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Yeah. 138 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,440 He's still making movies. 139 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,440 Still making movies. 140 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:42,320 Anyway, so I did that and it was like the most magical experience. 141 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,840 You know, I was in the scene where there was a boat. 142 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,960 I just remember being on this huge set in Fox Studios. 143 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,120 I got to hold a dog because I was like a child being evacuated because Australia was being 144 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,040 bombed and I got this little poodle to hold for like a week. 145 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,360 And I know it was really cute. 146 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,840 And if anyone knows me, I love dogs and I love animals. 147 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:07,080 So it just like, I think really solidified the dream in me. 148 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,200 And then how it kind of continued on as I started kind of booking jobs, I did a little 149 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,240 ABC series. 150 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,200 Actually one of your guests, Holly Fraser, we did an episode together on that when we 151 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,200 were younger. 152 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,280 Oh, no, it's a little connection there. 153 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,240 And you know, just started doing odd jobs. 154 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,920 And then it got a bit more complicated when I became a teenager because you kind of have 155 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:26,920 to reinvent yourself, right? 156 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:27,920 Yeah. 157 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,720 And in the Australian industry, which is different to the American industry, let's just highlight 158 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,720 that. 159 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,720 It's very different. 160 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,720 Yeah. 161 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:35,720 Yeah. 162 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:36,720 Like so many different. 163 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,720 So different. 164 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:38,720 Yeah. 165 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,400 And so I had to kind of reinvent myself as a teenager. 166 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,240 And I really struggled. 167 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,200 I really struggled because, you know, I also, my mom got remarried to somebody else and 168 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,440 I feel like they had different opinions on me being an actor or whatever and a child 169 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,120 actor, because it does inconvenience a family. 170 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,120 You've got to get to an audition. 171 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,120 You've got to skip school. 172 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,120 You've got to do all these different things. 173 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,320 Because I was mainly in the film industry, not theatre, right? 174 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,320 So it kind of got a bit complicated. 175 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,320 And I really feel like there was this gap between like 14 and honestly 18, where it's 176 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,440 like all I knew was school theatre and it was depressing. 177 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,560 And I was like this dream of being like Nicole Kidman was slowly just leaving, leaving the 178 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,560 room. 179 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Yeah. 180 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,920 And but then I remember I, this is so corny. 181 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,560 I was, I went to one of those like events where it was like, I don't know, you know, 182 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,880 those, what do you call them? 183 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,600 The universities, they do them and there's like stalls and you go and people give you 184 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,600 pencils. 185 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,600 Oh, orientation. 186 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Orientations and you like little orientations and you check out universities. 187 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,120 But I knew in my heart, I wanted to do acting. 188 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,320 And then I did, what's it called? 189 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,400 I sat in on the grass at a university. 190 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,640 I don't even remember what the university was. 191 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,840 And I wrote this like corny poem about taking the road less traveled, which I think has 192 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:02,040 already been written, but it must have been in my subconscious from like, you know, whatever, 193 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,040 English. 194 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,840 And we wrote this poem that probably already been created about like, no, I'm actually 195 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,440 going to take the road that I want to take. 196 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Yeah. 197 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,680 And from that moment, it was decided I'm going to be an actor. 198 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,640 And I upset my stepdad, but who cares? 199 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:21,420 And I upset him and I disappointed my family, but I decided to do acting. 200 00:08:21,420 --> 00:08:27,720 And so I started like auditioning for schools because I didn't want to do NIDA. 201 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,480 I wanted to do something a bit different. 202 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,480 And so I had this pipe dream to go to Lambda in London. 203 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,480 Wow. 204 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,480 I know. 205 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:36,480 That's crazy. 206 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,480 That's crazy girl. 207 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,480 That's crazy girl. 208 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,480 You're crazy. 209 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:40,480 I know. 210 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,040 But then I was at this acting class and my friend was talking about how the school could 211 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,000 stellar Adler was doing auditions around. 212 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,760 So I auditioned for stellar Adler, got in and moved over to Los Angeles for a year and 213 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,360 studied over there. 214 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,080 And it was also crazy. 215 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,040 It was also wild. 216 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,080 I remember I got out of the car and I was like full of dreams. 217 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,920 My eyes were like wide open and I just look at the side of the road and there's like human 218 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,800 feces and I was like, it was an omen of LA completely. 219 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,440 Just like human poop on the floor and like falling asleep to the sound of like sirens. 220 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Yeah, it really sells me LA. 221 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,040 I've been there twice. 222 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,040 Congratulations. 223 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,040 And both times were hell. 224 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,040 Oh yeah. 225 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,040 It's terrible. 226 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,480 I don't know how it makes an industry, but it does. 227 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,480 It does. 228 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,480 But you know what? 229 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,200 I also do have this very nostalgic love for LA. 230 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,920 I'm actually going in like four weeks. 231 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,920 So here I was like screw LA, but I'm like going to LA and like yeah. 232 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,920 Anyway. 233 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,920 You're the Cali girl. 234 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:43,920 I am. 235 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:44,920 I am a Cali Howard girl. 236 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,600 I shouldn't do my American accent here because everyone's going to judge me for it. 237 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,600 Don't worry. 238 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,880 They'll hear it well after you come back. 239 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:52,880 It's true. 240 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,760 I think for like a year after I was like, hi, my name's Amy Patmore. 241 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,040 And everyone was like, are you American? 242 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,040 No. 243 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,040 Yeah. 244 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Yeah. 245 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Please don't. 246 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,840 But yeah, so I went to LA and it was crazy because I had to pay for my own school fees. 247 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,840 Wow. 248 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,840 Okay. 249 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,840 So that's like $22,000 American dollars there. 250 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,360 $22,000 buckaroonies. 251 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,360 Yeah. 252 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,800 So I was homeless for a while. 253 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Yeah. 254 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,800 I was like sleeping on people's couches. 255 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:21,800 Yeah. 256 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,800 And I really did it tough. 257 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,320 And I also lived in downtown LA, which was not safe. 258 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,040 So I had to get very street smart at the age of 19. 259 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,040 Yeah. 260 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,680 So it was a bit wild. 261 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:34,000 And anyway, ran out of money like most people do. 262 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,720 And I came back home with my tail between my legs and hated LA because it broke my heart. 263 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,440 I was like, oh, damn it. 264 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,440 Yeah. 265 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,720 And then I went through a bit of a dark patch after that as an actor. 266 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,640 And any actor knows that you go through that. 267 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:54,320 And I was like, I had this expectation that this is what acting was going to be. 268 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,320 And it is not that. 269 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,360 And now I'm back in Australia. 270 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,600 All the connections I made were overseas with my school. 271 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Nobody knows who I am. 272 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:02,920 Yeah. 273 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,000 How do I start from scratch? 274 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,240 Again at the tender age of 20. 275 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,240 And obviously when you're 20, you think I'm so old. 276 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,200 I'm practically 90 years old, nearly at my death then as an actor, which is so stupid, 277 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,560 by the way, if you are young out there. 278 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:26,200 But anyway, so after that, I ended up having a period, honestly, of two years where I couldn't 279 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,200 pick up a script. 280 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,200 Wow. 281 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,200 I know. 282 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,200 I know. 283 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,280 I think just because I started so young, it was like it became a trigger. 284 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,840 And I had to go to a lot of counseling and work on a lot of stuff. 285 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:46,240 And it wasn't until I did this one year course, who I also did with Liz who's coming on the 286 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,920 podcast, connections, the Australian industry is very small. 287 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,520 It's very incestuous is what it is. 288 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:55,520 Yeah. 289 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,520 Yeah. 290 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,520 Exactly. 291 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,520 And so I jumped back into this. 292 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,000 I'm picking up a script. 293 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,040 And then COVID happened. 294 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Oh, great. 295 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,720 Oh, the elephant in everyone's room. 296 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,720 I know, right? 297 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:08,720 Oh, terrible. 298 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,840 And I was, and I didn't have an agent, which every actor is like, I don't have an agent. 299 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,920 Or if they have an agent, they're like, I need a better agent, you know? 300 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:17,920 Yeah, I know. 301 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:23,880 It's, I love agencies, especially in Australia, which in particularly they, you know, if you 302 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,360 ever are with agencies in Australia, they ignore your emails a lot of the time, unless 303 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,120 you're a big name. 304 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,120 It's so bizarre. 305 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,120 It is. 306 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:40,120 They're the most, I have gotten the like biggest names by not going through the agencies and 307 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,960 emailing people directly. 308 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:42,960 Wow. 309 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,280 Because agencies flag you. 310 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,240 They just go, I don't blame them because they've got a PR team. 311 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,360 Like, you know, obviously you're protecting your brand, but I think it's also for like 312 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,240 up and coming people. 313 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,560 It's impossible because agencies kind of block you from actually achieving like if you're 314 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:03,360 a journalist or you're like trying to start a name, unless you're with a big brand that's 315 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,080 already very well-established, they don't care who you are. 316 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,080 No, they do not. 317 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,080 And they're like, mm. 318 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,080 It's ruthless. 319 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,080 Yeah. 320 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,080 So it's ruthless. 321 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,520 And I know a lot of personal friends who work for agencies and they've all said the same. 322 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,320 They've all like internally gone, yeah, it's ruthless, but it's kind of like they've got 323 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,320 such a PR team that they're like, they even can't do anything about it. 324 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:26,960 They're like, oh, okay, cool. 325 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,480 We know how bad it is, but the actors are so nice and they love working a long time, 326 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,800 you know, with the talent and everything, but it's everyone like in terms of who emails 327 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,520 back and the, you know, the reception agency, everyone like they're just, they've got so 328 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,440 much like do not answer these emails. 329 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Yeah. 330 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,440 And for a lot of actors out there, that's so depressing to hear, but it's true. 331 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,160 And you know what, like, and you know, I'll kind of add this to a part of my story because 332 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,280 I had a revelation of that and it changed things. 333 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,960 Like a little bit later on down the track, cause I ended up long story short at this 334 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,560 acting school that we were going to for a year, just to kind of keep in training, to 335 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:10,280 get myself back on the script. 336 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,600 I ended up kind of, I did end up getting an agent. 337 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,760 It was kind of like a lower grade agent, but I was like, I'm no longer going to depend 338 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:18,760 on my agent. 339 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:19,760 Yeah. 340 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:25,240 So I'm just going to get into an agent and I'm going to let them make me go for roles 341 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,160 or whatever, but I'm going to kill it when I go. 342 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,160 Yeah. 343 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,160 I'm going to kill it cause I'm ready to kill it. 344 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Right. 345 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,400 I've done what, like I've, I've lived on people's couches. 346 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,240 I've the redemptive speech. 347 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:41,240 I've, I've eaten two minute noodles and like, I've, I've, I've done the shit. 348 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,240 I know I'm back. 349 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,000 I am, and I am the shit. 350 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Take me. 351 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Um, but I ended up, um, I ended up getting an agent and I knew that they weren't going 352 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,560 to do much for me. 353 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,920 I knew they were going to be like, I'm like, you know, obviously I'm like, these are my 354 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,440 goals and obviously they were like, yeah. 355 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,120 And then I never heard from them. 356 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,320 They literally did not give me an audition for six months. 357 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,320 People six months. 358 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,360 Isn't that the most common thing though, from agencies as well? 359 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,120 Like I do not understand. 360 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,520 And this is like, uh, you know, if you're an up and coming actor and everything and 361 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,560 you want an agency, unless you're with a big like, and you're an A, you know, it goes back 362 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,560 to the A-lister. 363 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,240 If you're not an A-lister. 364 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,600 This podcast is about identity. 365 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Really is. 366 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,600 It is, isn't it? 367 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Um, but it's, it, it goes back to that good old English class where it's all about belonging 368 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:36,360 and the journey. 369 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,360 The journey. 370 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,620 Oh, good old journey. 371 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:40,620 But it's so true. 372 00:15:40,620 --> 00:15:44,920 And like, I'm actually really glad, cause as I fill out my story, it was really good 373 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,680 advice to actors that are up and coming. 374 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,760 Because first off, I hate, I hate to say it, but I have to break the fantasy of what an 375 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,760 actor is. 376 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Um, because it's not Nicole Kidman, it's not Hugh Jackman and I'm sorry to break it to 377 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,840 you. 378 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Um, it is, you may not have stability in your life. 379 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:07,120 You may, um, anyway, but yeah, it's, it's crazy. 380 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:12,360 I think the biggest thing that I remember, especially like when, when I was very dedicated 381 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:18,040 to acting and when it was something I wanted to do, my mom was like, Oh, um, you know, 382 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,560 and she was worried, like she was obviously like, find a job that is stable rather than 383 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,360 depending on something that is week by week or month by month. 384 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:33,180 Like that is, that is the thing that surrounds acting and it surrounds any kind of like that 385 00:16:33,180 --> 00:16:34,180 kind of work. 386 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:35,180 Yeah. 387 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:39,000 And what I do think that, you know, obviously not everyone's built for full time work and 388 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,380 not everyone's built for a desk job. 389 00:16:40,380 --> 00:16:41,380 That is fine. 390 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:48,000 Um, you know, have something that, you know, fulfills you because it's so acting is such 391 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,240 a passion is such a love and don't let kind of, I guess, I mean, I always say this to 392 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,400 people, don't let the big movies like be the be all and end all appreciate every moment 393 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,920 you get, because I feel like we're, you know, we're constantly looking up at the industry 394 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,460 going, we need to be that. 395 00:17:05,460 --> 00:17:10,440 And you forget what's here in front of you making and progressing so far. 396 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,680 Cause I think that's also what's kind of frustrating about the Australian industry because we treat 397 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,640 everything like this pinnacle, um, reaching golden point, like we've got to make it look 398 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:20,640 schmick. 399 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,640 We've got to make the films, you know, that look amazing, but then originality kind of 400 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,200 goes out the door because you want to make something product, you know, like that will 401 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,200 sell. 402 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,200 Yeah. 403 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,200 Like it's tricky. 404 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,120 It's, and no one, I feel like it's very interesting because, and I don't know if you agree with 405 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:41,520 this, but when we're in the Australian industry, we are our own supporters, but networking 406 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,880 outside of it and everyone, like even our international people who are Australian love 407 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,400 our work, but anyone who is actually international, like Americans or British people that have 408 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,800 never seen much in the way of Australian content and the originality that comes out of this 409 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,800 country. 410 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,800 Yeah. 411 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,120 I think, uh, I think we're, I mean, I'm hopeful. 412 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:05,520 I mean, I just sat in with a lot of Sydney film festival and there's some really great 413 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,520 stuff coming. 414 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:12,760 But I think where I would challenge Australia is, um, don't be afraid to invest in the 415 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,640 stories that aren't like, but that's a hard thing. 416 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,040 I'm not a producer and producers, you know, they think differently to creatives. 417 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:26,080 They are not creatives, they're business heads, you know, and they're, I don't know, it's 418 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,080 hard. 419 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,860 It's, it's also like, um, you know, some of the, I feel like when you ever make a film 420 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:35,840 or you make your first film or you start in your first film, you're going to make mistakes 421 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,440 and it's okay to make mistakes. 422 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:43,000 And I think that's what's the biggest journey that most people, you know, it's like what 423 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,640 you were talking about with, you know, being, not having, you know, everything in LA happening 424 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,120 and running out of money and having that disheartening feeling. 425 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:53,480 It's like, not everything's going to be just there. 426 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,640 Like COVID, I really think taught me that, um, which, you know, beforehand everyone's 427 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,480 like, Oh no, you know, the world is happening and you know, everyone's got to be this, you 428 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,960 know, amazing director. 429 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,880 Nowadays I think, I guess people are a bit more appreciative of what they can do and 430 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:18,480 then smaller challenges that rather than making, you know, the impossible challenge to get 431 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,360 like on a Hollywood film. 432 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:21,360 Yeah. 433 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:26,280 Um, like, do you, do you feel like your perspective now has really changed in the last like even 434 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,280 six months? 435 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,280 You're like, maybe. 436 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Well, you know what? 437 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:38,760 I mean, so we had COVID, which was where I did the course, right? 438 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,760 And I was really discouraged. 439 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:47,040 I got into that agency and I came to this point where I did realize, Oh my gosh, like, 440 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,720 I can't even book a TVC. 441 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,600 I've done all this training. 442 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,900 I've been homeless and I can't even book a bloody TVC. 443 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:58,480 And I was depressed. 444 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,760 I was like, Oh my gosh, like this is hopeless. 445 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,920 And so I had to reevaluate because I was like, okay, well then back to the two road, corny 446 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:09,920 power. 447 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,160 I had to say, okay, there's two roads I can go on now. 448 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,520 I can get very cynical about life. 449 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:23,280 I can feel like a victim or I can restructure my values and what I value as a creative person. 450 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,240 And value is a really important thing that I've been going on a big journey of at the 451 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,600 moment, which is like as a creative, you know, we think, Oh my goodness, the be all and end 452 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,920 all is getting on this massive Hollywood film, but that might not satisfy you creatively. 453 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,680 And so it's like, we're chasing all these things because society tells us this. 454 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,800 And also society tells us, these are the people that are talented, that are amazing, that 455 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,680 should be validated for their art. 456 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,560 But the truth is the people up there, cause this is the funny thing I discovered as an 457 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,720 actor is sometimes the most talented people are not necessarily the people that get the 458 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,720 role. 459 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:02,040 But sometimes no offence out there, very shit actors get roles because honestly editors, 460 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,840 now that I'm a filmmaker, editors are amazing and they can make a really bad performance 461 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,560 look like a fricking Oscar winning performance. 462 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,280 So a lot of what we're being fed, and this is the same in the music industry is map, 463 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,640 like especially when it's like high quality up there, like we're consuming such high quality 464 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,600 stuff that has so much money in it. 465 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,200 We sometimes aren't actually seeing the true artist at work. 466 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,080 So here we are as artists being like, oh my goodness, I want to be in this Hollywood film. 467 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,160 And I'm like, that might not be your most creatively fulfilling experience. 468 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,720 And so now I'm starting to look a little bit more down that pathway because if you are 469 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,480 obsessed with this Hollywood idea, which by the way is not even realistic in Australia. 470 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,760 And that's what I've learned as an actor is that for example, if you want to be an actor 471 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,880 in Australia, you also have to be a filmmaker. 472 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,480 I actually just think that's the bottom line. 473 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,680 You could be a full-time actor, maybe you can't be a full-time actor in Australia. 474 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,840 I just don't think there's enough work. 475 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:59,160 Maybe like 0.1% can, but I've even seen like people that I've seen like, you know, being 476 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,080 nominated for massive awards in Australia, being in a commercial. 477 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,080 Right? 478 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,080 So the next week. 479 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,400 So it's one of those things where in Australia, I think that we have to think we're in a small 480 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,480 industry that needs to be providing like, and I guess that's what kind of pushed me 481 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,840 to be a filmmaker is I realized here I am being like, why is nobody giving me a job? 482 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,840 But I actually said, well, what if it's because people need jobs in this industry? 483 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,880 There isn't heaps of money that the government is giving to the arts. 484 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,720 So therefore, these are not being funded. 485 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:36,720 And so if I, with my own brain and my own hands can find a way to create something that 486 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,520 gets people on board, gets people to care, then I'm not just an actor. 487 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,400 I'm actually providing something very valuable that the industry actually needs, which is 488 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,400 content. 489 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,600 So as an actor, I think you have to think a little bit more like that in Australia is 490 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,840 and plus it's so much more creatively fulfilling to be a part of something bigger than just 491 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,840 being an actor. 492 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:02,160 Like acting is fantastic, but like, especially in the realm of film, like there is something 493 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:07,040 so satisfying about creating a project and creating something where you're not just told, 494 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,920 oh, here's your mark, do this and that, but you are through the whole process and you 495 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,120 understand what it takes that you're not the only one on set. 496 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:16,760 There is a million people honestly, probably staying later than you are. 497 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,160 And that's a big thing. 498 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,160 Yeah. 499 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,640 I think it's kind of like, you know, and it kind of goes to that thing of like, you only 500 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,000 hear about the actor's perspective. 501 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,640 You don't hear about the everyone else's perspective and how many hours that everyone else does 502 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:32,640 as well. 503 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:33,640 Yep. 504 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,720 And you know, you never hear about, you hear from the director, you might hear from the 505 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,720 writer. 506 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,000 That's about as far as the creative team. 507 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,160 You don't hear about like all the makeup artists who have spent hours, you know, doing prosthetics 508 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,200 or anything like that, depending on the shoot. 509 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,880 And then yeah, I hundred percent agree with you. 510 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:59,100 I think it's also really like interesting because I trained as an editor as well. 511 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:03,200 So I know entirely what you mean where actors can be saved in edits. 512 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,640 And it frustrates me at length. 513 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:13,600 The kind of actors who think they, that when they're on sets and, and if you are one of 514 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,760 these actors, learn from experience. 515 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,800 But it's, you go to set and, and they give you a performance and they don't give you 516 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,640 any variety of what you can do with each take and they give you the same performance. 517 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,680 So therefore you were just cutting a bland performance around. 518 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,560 You give like each take a different feeling. 519 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:36,560 Correct. 520 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,880 And you give a whole variety in your takes and it's amazing. 521 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,340 And it frustrates me. 522 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:47,080 Like I'm a big, having done a lot of things because originally studying acting and then 523 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,760 got into editing, producing, directing, doing the whole thing. 524 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,400 And I think it's very frustrating when you get actors come on set who think that they 525 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,640 don't need rehearsals, that they don't need to listen to the directors, that they don't 526 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,280 know, like I've worked with so many types of people. 527 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,680 But it's like, you, you kind of go, well, then you're working against everyone else. 528 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,340 And then I guess that comes to the point of like, you know, a challenge in, in yourself, 529 00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:20,640 because as a filmmaker and as someone who's only just turned 30, I don't know everything. 530 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,280 I'm never going to know everything. 531 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,160 I'm going to die not knowing everything. 532 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,320 Like that's the, that's the rule of life. 533 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,480 So if, if someone has something and they can suggest it to me on set or in any situation 534 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,760 suggest it to me in post, I'm all ears. 535 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:40,480 But I don't, I dislike when actors think they know it all and then they just present something 536 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,520 so bland. 537 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,200 And then you go, okay, well, cool. 538 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:50,320 I've worked with someone who's a bit shit and I'm working with it. 539 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,800 Like, and, and I feel like some people, you know, it's not just actors, but you kind of 540 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,280 get, you get it most because actors are so much in the forefront. 541 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,280 They are. 542 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,280 And they're very blind. 543 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Yes. 544 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,600 And I'm not saying that as in like you are blind because of your ego and you don't know. 545 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,280 It's not that it's just the fact that when the first time I made a film, I learned more 546 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,160 about being an actor than I did from no offense, any school. 547 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:20,640 Honestly, I really did because I learned about the art of communication as an actor and what 548 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,560 we're trying to provide for the audience and how important like it is actually, I can't 549 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,560 even describe it. 550 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,560 And it's still something I'm trying to grasp. 551 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,520 And I think probably like the next level I want to go to as an actor, right, is to have 552 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,800 so much bird's eye view on everything that's going on to understand this is what we're 553 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,920 trying to aim with the story and how can I bring that in as, as a actor? 554 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,560 I think it's just, I think actors think too much about acting and I know that's weird, 555 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:50,040 but like, because we're into act, but like, you know, but actually there is a way of being 556 00:26:50,040 --> 00:27:00,920 a smart actor and a way of understanding your part to play and neglecting the ego. 557 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,120 Because there's so much more going on. 558 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,760 And when you actually, that's why I encourage actors to create, because when you go through 559 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:14,680 that process, like I said, the editor, the sound guy, everybody will teach you more about 560 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,960 how to actually captivate your performance than you actually. 561 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Sometimes we'll know just from getting there and being like, I think this will look good. 562 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,240 Yeah. 563 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,240 Yeah. 564 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,880 I think it's also because you know, the, cause you've directed it, you've already directed 565 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,160 the film that you did. 566 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,160 I have. 567 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,320 How do you feel about it? 568 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,320 Okay. 569 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,800 Look, this is the thing. 570 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,760 I look the stress, the questions. 571 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,760 I know. 572 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,120 Like I have this, like anytime somebody asks me, how did it go? 573 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:49,800 I was like, so many people came up to me because I acted and directed it just context, right? 574 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:55,040 Which you know, is a feat Mount Everest people. 575 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,040 You know what? 576 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,040 I would do it again though. 577 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Yeah, I would. 578 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,040 I would. 579 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,040 This is the thing though. 580 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,040 You did that solo. 581 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,040 You did it directing. 582 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,280 Look, I had an amazing, so one of my partners in crime, and this is why I also like, by 583 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760 the way, my film is called Pinch, just so you know. 584 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,680 So I'll probably, if I say Pinch, you know what that means. 585 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Yeah, I'm just not like so pinch and be like, oh, just, you know, there's a very strange 586 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,360 word to throw in there. 587 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,680 I know it's a strange word. 588 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,440 But like I had an amazing producer and she was also our AD. 589 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:33,040 And I'm so sorry about to put her last name and I've known she's like my best friend. 590 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,400 Am I a terrible friend? 591 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,400 You tell me. 592 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Dvorak. 593 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,760 Is it just Dvorak? 594 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,760 Anna Dvorak. 595 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Anna Dvorak. 596 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Type that up. 597 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,760 I'm also dyslexic. 598 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,760 That's my excuse. 599 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,880 You'll hear me say that at least 10 times a day. 600 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,920 But anyway, yeah, directing and acting is a feat. 601 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,920 And I had people on stage. 602 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,680 It was quite an emotional piece and it was a drama. 603 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360 And so, and it was just so funny, like being on it. 604 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,360 It was a massive set. 605 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,960 We had like 30 people, right? 606 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,960 Wow. 607 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960 So my first set experience was 30 people. 608 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,200 How'd you wrangle 30 people? 609 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,020 I have no idea. 610 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:14,680 People were desperate to work and so we just grabbed every person that just put their hand 611 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,760 up and we're like, yes, we believe in you. 612 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,760 Come do something for me. 613 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Come do something. 614 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,960 I remember there was this one experience where we had a close set because I was in a bathtub, 615 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,960 right? 616 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,960 Wow, that would have been. 617 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,960 I know. 618 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Just to make matters worse, I was also in a bathtub. 619 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,960 Directing yourself in a bathtub. 620 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,040 You're like, I'm doing this. 621 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,800 This is the thing. 622 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,440 Like you have no one else to blame other than yourself for that scene. 623 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,120 No, I do not. 624 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,120 So explain this. 625 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,120 Because I have so many questions. 626 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,560 Were you wearing a swimsuit with that, Mark? 627 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,560 I wasn't. 628 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,200 I was in underwear, but that was a see-through anyways because underwear just goes see-through 629 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,200 on the walls. 630 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,200 I wasn't even prepared for that. 631 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:05,560 But we had a close set and the only person I had there was my cinematographer and she 632 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,560 was in there. 633 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,040 Then there was this person in the corner and I was like, hi. 634 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,520 In the bathtub. 635 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,520 Pretty much in my underwear. 636 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,960 I was like, what are you doing here? 637 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,960 As the director. 638 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,160 She was like, I'm just going to watch. 639 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,160 What? 640 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,360 I was like, oh, it's a close set. 641 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,480 And then they're like, this is my first time on set and I just want to learn. 642 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,040 I was like, then maybe it would be a good idea to get out. 643 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,560 Like holding every bit of my stress inside. 644 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:38,880 I'm feeling invaded on as a human being to this insensitivity, but just having to be 645 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,440 like, you're working with a group of people. 646 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,520 Everyone's going to have a certain level of emotional awareness in those set settings. 647 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440 She was learning, so that's okay. 648 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Then someone also came in and the BTS took a photo of me behind the scenes. 649 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,280 I was like to Anna after, I'm like, take it down. 650 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,280 Take it down because everyone can access the photos. 651 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,280 Oh no. 652 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,080 Should I be telling this story? 653 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,080 I don't know. 654 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,080 Probably not. 655 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,080 I love it. 656 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,080 You're giving me the juicy goss. 657 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,080 I know. 658 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,080 It's the juicy goss, guys. 659 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,080 I mean, that is something. 660 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,560 You want to hear an even worse part of it? 661 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,640 I cropped out the photo because I had a really great expression on my face. 662 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,600 I kept it because I was like, that's a great. 663 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,600 I'm thinking. 664 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,880 I look like a director, but I'm also in a bathtub, so I cropped it. 665 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,680 No one could see. 666 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960 No one could perv. 667 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:39,200 I think it's the most horrifying. 668 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,120 I'm impressed that you even attempted. 669 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,120 It wasn't wise. 670 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,120 I wouldn't do it again. 671 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,120 It was a mistake. 672 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,120 So you shouldn't be impressed. 673 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,400 I think it's just the bulls-y attitude. 674 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,280 Yeah, it was. 675 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,040 Because you're on set and you're just like, you know what's better than anything? 676 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,160 I want a closed set with me in a bathtub directing. 677 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,160 It was terrible. 678 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,400 So you're halfway through editing, though. 679 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,720 Yeah, so we're pretty much hopefully locking our editing picture and then we'll be going 680 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,720 to sound this weekend. 681 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,360 Oh my gosh. 682 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,360 How long is it? 683 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,360 It's eight minutes. 684 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,080 I know, which is actually really good for short film festivals, apparently. 685 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,080 So I'm excited about that. 686 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Yes, they used to be a good old measly seven and then they extended it because people actually 687 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,200 couldn't tell stories in seven minutes with credits. 688 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,800 So now it's about eight to 10. 689 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,000 But no, that's exciting. 690 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,600 So it was a female DOP, which is very exciting. 691 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360 Was it a majority female crew? 692 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Yes, we did majority female crew. 693 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,680 We wanted it to be majority female crew, but then we also kind of really extended that 694 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,800 invitation for LGBTQ. 695 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,000 So we kind of really wanted it to be anyone that felt quite marginalized in the industry. 696 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000 Oh, that's great. 697 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:16,920 It was because there's something that comes on a set when people feel like they're being 698 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,920 heard and validated. 699 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,600 And it was so interesting to listen to, especially like females, because a lot of our heads of 700 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,760 department were females. 701 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,520 And we did have a few amazing men on set as well, which is awesome, by the way. 702 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,160 It's great to have men on set. 703 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320 I'm not saying men should not be on set. 704 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,200 No, we're not saying that at all. 705 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,200 Not at all. 706 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,200 Amazing men. 707 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,640 But specifically just listening to some of the female stories, it's like, and even me 708 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,320 as an actress, I've had some shock horrors, unfortunately. 709 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,600 And it's just hearing the little things that make someone feel deflated, like they can't 710 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,960 do their job properly. 711 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,560 And some people say, oh, but it's not big things. 712 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,600 But I'm like, sometimes it's the little things over a long period of time that wears on someone. 713 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,840 And so it was interesting listening to their stories, but giving them an environment where 714 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,880 they felt validated and empowered and then getting such a great result out of their work. 715 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,920 And seeing them feel fulfilled was honestly one of the best experiences of this film. 716 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,520 Oh, that's awesome. 717 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,520 Yeah, it was great. 718 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,560 I mean, that's really like creating quite a diverse situation. 719 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:29,760 I think it was like one of my good friends, he managed to have like 90% or like 95% of 720 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,760 the crew were LGBT. 721 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,760 Wow, that's crazy. 722 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,760 Yeah. 723 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,360 How do you, because this is the interesting thing, right? 724 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:41,200 How do you feel like it impacts a set having that perspective and that passion like underneath 725 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,200 it? 726 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:52,520 Well, look, it's kind of an interesting thing because I mean, as a member of it, it's very 727 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,240 sort of like, yay, positive. 728 00:34:55,240 --> 00:35:01,800 But at the same time, it's a very like weird thing because it kind of just, I think it's 729 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,200 the most progressive and forward thinking thing. 730 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:13,680 But as the LGBTQIA plus community is, it also is very messy in its own way. 731 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,720 And it's got a lot of weird, I think the film industry in particular, all the queer people 732 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,360 in the film industry are great. 733 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,960 But there's kind of subsections like a little bit here and there. 734 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,400 And I feel like, yeah, it's a very strange thing because I've had this conversation 735 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:37,920 multiple tudes of times and I predominantly prefer working with women because it is just 736 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,560 the thing I love to do. 737 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,680 And most of my close friends growing up were women. 738 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,400 So it's just easy to work with. 739 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,760 But I think that weeds people out because automatically, I mean, like automatically 740 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,640 people assume that, you know, like, and I say this often, I don't identify as a guy. 741 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,800 I never have never felt comfortable sort of seeing myself as a guy in society. 742 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,640 And I do think that, you know, when people automatically assume that I have very male 743 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,320 perspective views, they just like get the wrong end of the stick and they go, Oh, you 744 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,480 hang around a lot of women. 745 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,360 Oh, do you secretly perving on them? 746 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,440 And I'm like, no, I have no interest and have a very loving partner. 747 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,640 But like, that's a thing that's happened throughout my entire life, even before I was 748 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,640 dating. 749 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,760 And it's sort of, I think it's because it's common for people who, you know, even are 750 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,760 like, you know, present male in society and everything. 751 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,920 Don't have a lot of female friends. 752 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,520 I think it's very much you date women, you don't become friends with women. 753 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,040 And that is a hmm, that is a taboo. 754 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:49,160 And so I know, how dare you become friends. 755 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,240 So that's like, I think really eye opening about like, especially now, because we're 756 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:59,160 going into the society now and this structure now where there is a lot more diversity. 757 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,760 I mean, like, as you know, and I was talking about this with our mutual friend Aravind, 758 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:10,720 like there were so many kind of situations where you see like, people take advantage 759 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,720 and you just kind of go, okay, cool, let's shut that down. 760 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:15,720 Yeah. 761 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,880 And I'll prove it, like I remember years ago, once I was asked to do like a short film by 762 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:27,640 a wonderful friend of mine who I still intend to make, Samuel J. Bellwood, and he is amazing. 763 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,360 And he asked me to do this film, which had a romantic love scene in it. 764 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,760 And I remember having many logistic conversations and going, okay, well, cool. 765 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,700 There needs to be like, I chatted to my friend who's a producer, Grace Rain, and we had 766 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:45,080 a big chat about it and just kind of working out the logistics of how it would work and 767 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,080 how I'd get everything. 768 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,640 And I was like, you know what? 769 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,640 Cool. 770 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,840 I'm going to have to just lay everything out of what's going to happen in this scene. 771 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,840 And I did. 772 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,360 And like, we didn't end up filming it for just like, it wasn't the right time. 773 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,440 And Sam decided to just not do it for the time being. 774 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,720 We moved on to do something else. 775 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:07,760 But I remember the stress at the time was just making sure everyone was happy and feeling 776 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,840 comfortable. 777 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,880 And that was very prominent, especially from the female perspective. 778 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,680 And my good friend, Emily David, who decided was up for the role at the time. 779 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,200 And yeah, she was just like, this is how I feel. 780 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,560 This is where I feel comfortable. 781 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,560 And it was like, cool. 782 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:29,820 Okay, let's try and do that and make sure everything feels comfortable for you. 783 00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:32,640 Because it was like very much a focus of mine. 784 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:38,880 And I'm a big believer in a closet and safety and environment, especially like, you know, 785 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:46,640 having to do with like, I think just making someone feel safe in an environment is key. 786 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200 And same people negate that and just ignore that. 787 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,200 Yeah. 788 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,640 Well, can I tell you the one thing that upsets me a little bit as a woman is that it's almost 789 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,680 expected that like, I know there's always this pressure to do like explicit content, 790 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,680 right? 791 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,160 And as a woman, you have to kind of like, think about that's going out to the world, 792 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,160 right? 793 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,160 And anyone can take advantage of that material. 794 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,480 So it's a very vulnerable thing to do and not always sets. 795 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,120 I've heard like some pretty bad stories about women that, you know, like they would just 796 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,440 take way too long shooting these scenes. 797 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,840 And it's like all these things that make those experiences when you're already being extremely 798 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,080 vulnerable, unsafe. 799 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,480 And I feel like there's almost this expectation that actresses and you know what actors as 800 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,000 well should be very, very open with their bodies and vulnerable and really free to show 801 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000 everyone. 802 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,280 I think that you do have to have balls in this industry, right? 803 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,680 You do have to have, I mean, you've got to have a bit of guts because we're telling stories 804 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,760 and then it's been understanding of that. 805 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:52,160 But coming back to like that thing of identity, like not doing anything that actually goes 806 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,640 against your values where you're like, oh, I actually do feel like, you know, values 807 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,040 also in the sense of like if an environment feels unsafe, right? 808 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:06,000 And if there isn't unsafety in that, that like somebody is pressuring you to do something 809 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,920 and not taking your needs into consideration. 810 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,880 We need to start really prioritizing safety on set, especially with like intimacy scenes 811 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,880 where I know like intimacy coaches, like that's a really, you know, that's becoming way more 812 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,200 of a bigger thing. 813 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600 And a lot more available, I think to the indie crowd, right? 814 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,280 Because it probably wasn't as available. 815 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,360 I'm not sure if it would. 816 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,560 Like it would be, yeah, because you have, that's the hard thing as well. 817 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,640 When you're trying to make it as an actor, there's so many blurred lines. 818 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,880 There's so many blurred lines and you have to kind of protect yourself. 819 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,080 It's not necessarily somebody looking at detail and contracts and lawyers and so safety is 820 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,080 a massive thing. 821 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,080 Yeah. 822 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,280 I mean, like I've definitely had different varying end of actors, especially when it 823 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:59,160 comes to intimacy in any kind of capacity, like whether it's just like even kissing someone. 824 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,400 Yeah, it's like you have that conversation and some people are like, yeah, no, that's 825 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,400 fine. 826 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,400 I don't mind. 827 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,880 And then other people are like, oh no, I just want to make sure there's a chat beforehand 828 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,200 to make sure everything's kind of like clear and concise and you, you respect everyone's 829 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:20,200 values because, and it's the same with like in terms of photography because like, I think 830 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,160 it's one of those things where you have a conversation of what, what are you trying 831 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,160 to get out of this situation? 832 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,560 If you do photos of anyone, you've got to go, okay, cool. 833 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,560 What are we getting? 834 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,560 Cool. 835 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,240 Can I, you know, is it going to be a closed situation where if I'm going to do anything 836 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:38,320 like, you know, in terms of, you know, revealing, then I want it to be in a closed environment. 837 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,620 It's like, cool, done, easy, but you need to respect that. 838 00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:48,920 It frustrates me when people go, oh, I don't have to respect anyone's rights or, you know, 839 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,660 like, I'm like, no, you do. 840 00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:52,680 Like everyone feels safe. 841 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,600 Like I would, I think it's frustrating as well because, you know, like as, as I know 842 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,880 a couple of kid actors and it does worry me this, the more they grow up and the faster 843 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,360 that they get to 18, then start and the industry will start sexualizing them. 844 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,680 And it's just like, and that comes so quickly for women. 845 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,680 And it's just like terrifying because suddenly when you're 18, everyone's like, oh man, 846 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,360 I can sexualize you for whatever purpose. 847 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,760 And it's like, why? 848 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,760 Yeah. 849 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,760 Like what's, what's the point? 850 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,760 Did that happen to you? 851 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,400 Like, did you hit an age where people were trying to like suddenly sexualize you? 852 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,480 I've actually been really lucky in the sense that like, I feel like I went through my like 853 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480 little wilderness season. 854 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,480 The wilderness. 855 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:43,980 But you know what, like I would always get roles when I was quite young that would already 856 00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:48,620 say like, oh look, you know, you'd have to do nudity for this. 857 00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:52,600 And I just remember as like a young person being like, Ooh, I don't feel comfortable 858 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,600 with that. 859 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,600 You know? 860 00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:00,800 As a young person that like, you know, that sort of made you go, huh. 861 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,440 They were actually like big professional like films or whatever. 862 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,560 But the thing is when you're young, um, and you know what, they were a couple like big 863 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,800 old bigger auditions. 864 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,940 I did say no to you when I was younger because it was like nudity or like a sex scene. 865 00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:18,000 And I was just like, my mom might've not let me do it to be honest, but also I was like, 866 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,640 as an, as I could tell when I was 16 or 14 or whenever it was, I can't remember it was 867 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,640 between that age. 868 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920 Just young when you think about it. 869 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,880 Very young to be doing that on camera. 870 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,160 Um, I just felt uncomfortable and I felt like, Ooh, like I don't think I would feel safe 871 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,920 even if there was somebody talking me through that. 872 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,640 And that also comes to just life experiences where you're at, at that time, like, cause 873 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,840 I think as an actor, yes, you want to be able to be like, I can play anything. 874 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:49,040 That's another question of the whole, like, you know, I guess, um, conversation in our 875 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,040 industry. 876 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,320 Um, but like you do have to kind of figure out like, when am I ready to play this as 877 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,320 well? 878 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,080 When is my, and that's goes also in the mental health realm of things. 879 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,200 Like are you playing a role that's actually going to bring things up that are going to 880 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,640 destroy you as a human? 881 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,560 Because you're, you haven't, you know, you've got to go through healing as an actor as well 882 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,880 to be a healthy actor. 883 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,640 Um, to use, if you do use your internal material to, you know, do that safely is really important. 884 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,640 Yeah. 885 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:23,840 I mean, like I find it frustrating, um, frustrating when people, you know, like, and I, and I 886 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,840 feel like it comes down to the responsibility of the performer and the director. 887 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,840 Yeah. 888 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,960 Sorry, I'm just laughing because in my experience in the bathtub, I was both of them. 889 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,960 Anyway. 890 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:41,120 I mean, in your situation, fuck that. 891 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,160 But I mean, like, you know, you obviously communicate that clearly and you're going 892 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,040 to put trust in both your actor and, and, and the actor needs to put trust in the director 893 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,480 and that needs to be clearly communicated that nothing crosses those boundaries that 894 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,320 of respect. 895 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,800 And it doesn't matter if you, you two are close friends outside of work. 896 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,060 It is a different relationship on set. 897 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:09,360 And I have had plenty of times where I've sat down with people and I say, don't treat 898 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,080 me like I'm your friend and saying yes to. 899 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:17,600 Tell me as a director, how you feel, because that is much more helpful than just going, 900 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,200 oh, you're my friend and I want to help out. 901 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,520 It's like, that's kind of intuitive and not really great. 902 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,520 Yeah. 903 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,520 We're here to collaborate. 904 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,520 We're here to create. 905 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,520 Yeah. 906 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,320 So it's, it's, I feel like that is the biggest kind of deal for me. 907 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:38,000 And it's amazing, like how that can make a break, you know, a story and, and, and a friendship 908 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,320 because you're not clearly, you know, one of you isn't being honest about a situation 909 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,880 and therefore it's like, oh, okay. 910 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:44,880 Yeah. 911 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,880 All this didn't really feel right. 912 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,440 You know, something was off. 913 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,480 Um, yeah. 914 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,840 So it is interesting. 915 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,560 I mean, like I'm not like most people, I'm not dying to direct a sex scene or anyone 916 00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:02,920 nude in a bath, but clearly Amy is just, um, let's not put that on record next minute. 917 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,560 Um, no, but what I will say about that whole experience. 918 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,560 Sorry. 919 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,400 I just, I needed to clap myself on the back for that. 920 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,400 Oh my gosh. 921 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,400 But myself as well. 922 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,400 This is very confusing, very confusing situation. 923 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:23,440 Um, but, and actually to give you guys context of what the bath scene was about, like we 924 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,480 actually don't show any like nudity on the film or anything. 925 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:32,440 Um, but it's just her having a moment in the bath where she's thinking, obviously she sees 926 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,960 she's in a really quite a dark head space and we're leading to like a very climactic 927 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:36,960 moment. 928 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,240 It was a seller moment, a pause moment in the piece. 929 00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:45,400 But um, you know, it was, it was a private moment for our character. 930 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:53,280 Um, but obviously it required me to be slightly naked, um, but well covered, but I wanted 931 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,640 the close set because we need to, even if like, I think that I just think that it needs 932 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,920 to be normalized as something that just like, if someone as a professional, right, you wouldn't 933 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,440 be at a desk job and like, where something that didn't need to, I think that absolutely 934 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,480 is necessary, sure in a scene, but I think like it is really great to encourage, um, 935 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,280 like what is the actor comfortable with having those conversations and that just being like 936 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,800 what you do, it's not something like, um, it might happen, it might not, but always 937 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,440 have conversations with actor and director about anything like that. 938 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,680 I just remember years ago watching behind the scenes of a horror film online and they 939 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,800 literally had a shower scene and all you saw of her was like here and they showed afterwards 940 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,360 that she was wearing a bathing suit all the way down. 941 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,640 It was just really smartly done. 942 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,200 It was like, clearly she had had it taped to about here so that you didn't see anything 943 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,200 below the chest. 944 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,200 Yes. 945 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,480 And I was like, that is clever because it's how you get around, you know, like having 946 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,840 a situation where you as a filmmaker kind of going, I don't want to put this person 947 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,760 in a, you know, a situation when they don't feel like they're comfortable. 948 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,960 So you just make every situation. 949 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:05,320 Um, like I'm going to go a great story, which was very naive and young of me. 950 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,160 I was, um, I had just graduated high school. 951 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,400 I was, um, making my first ever short film ever. 952 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,040 So that's always a, you know, like, and, and because I didn't know anything, I knew jack 953 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,040 shit, nothing. 954 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,360 I had a handy cam with a microphone tape to the side. 955 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,040 So clearly what tape did you use? 956 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,040 Just good old duct tape. 957 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,040 Great. 958 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,440 It's really simple, but I remember my, um, friend at the time, uh, I asked two of my 959 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,240 friends, one of them was kind of like a wannabe actor. 960 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,800 Um, and I think she decided not to do it in the end. 961 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,640 And, um, they were both in my film and it was meant to be this sort of scene where one 962 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,440 of the characters awakens, um, next to the guy in bed. 963 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,440 And like, it was a very hot day. 964 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,680 I will express, this was like a 30 plus degree day in this non air conditioned room. 965 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,700 And it was just the three of us, like me, the two actors and me, and they were like, 966 00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:01,440 they stripped down to their underwear and I was like, okay, cool. 967 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,440 Sure. 968 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,440 I'm standing there with a camera. 969 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:11,360 And I just remember, like I had, I did about 12 to like 20 takes because I was trying to 970 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,720 do this fantastic shot to focus on a little letter and the camera, sorry, the microphone 971 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:17,720 kept falling off of it. 972 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:18,720 It was like duct tape. 973 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,680 Like, it was like some bullshit like that, but yeah, it was like, did all this fancy 974 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,680 shots. 975 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,560 I remember once it's the poor thing. 976 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,480 My friend, she turned over and like she was wearing a bra because obviously she didn't 977 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,600 feel comfortable not when I was like, I don't blame you, you know, do whatever you feel 978 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:33,600 comfortable. 979 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:39,200 Um, but I felt so sorry for her because like she was rolling over and then almost her, 980 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:44,400 um, boob fell out and I was like, I was like, Oh no, I feel so bad. 981 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,400 But I was just like, we ever, um, it was me and my other friend and we just both went, 982 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,400 no, it's fine. 983 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,560 I, you know, helped her out and covered her up and make sure she felt okay. 984 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,200 But we were both at the same time going, shit, rather than, you know, but we were both like 985 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,640 1920 and that was kind of weird for 19, 20 year olds to be like, you just don't have 986 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,640 that foresight. 987 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,120 No, no, you just don't know. 988 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,080 And I mean like I was ballsy to do that. 989 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,600 Um, you know, but I learned, I learned, I learned never to do that. 990 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:14,600 Yeah. 991 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:15,600 Never to do that again. 992 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,600 No. 993 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,000 And I think actually, this is a really good message to any actresses and actors out there 994 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,880 or you know, any actors, just honestly, you are allowed to, if you feel uncomfortable 995 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,240 with something, you're allowed to say, I don't want to do this or I don't want to do this 996 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:30,240 in this way. 997 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:33,200 Can we work around it and communicate? 998 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,480 Communication is honestly the key to life. 999 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,760 It's the key to being a good actor is communicate. 1000 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,760 I think as well, actors are so afraid to say something, you're not a puppet, you're actually 1001 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:42,760 a collaborator. 1002 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:48,680 So part of being a collaborator is bringing your needs to the table and being able to 1003 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,440 negotiate and say, okay, so you have this need as a director to shoot this. 1004 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,960 This is my need as an actor of safety. 1005 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,260 How can we work together to fulfill both of our needs? 1006 00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:05,860 And I think, you know, always coming in with that thing of a bit of self, self respect 1007 00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:09,760 in the sense like if I feel uncomfortable with this situation, I'm allowed to say so. 1008 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,760 Yeah. 1009 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,760 Yeah. 1010 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,680 And also it's going to stop you from feeling creative. 1011 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,640 It's going to stop you from doing your best work, which we're all aiming to do in the 1012 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:17,640 end. 1013 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,200 I mean, look, I hope so. 1014 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,480 And I hope if you're really striving to be a performer or filmmaker, you're always trying 1015 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:30,000 to do the best work because, you know, it always, I think, and everything's a learning 1016 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000 curve. 1017 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,240 And I think, you know, my first ever film I ever attempted was, you know, my HSC drama. 1018 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:37,960 And if you want to go and check that out, it's on YouTube. 1019 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,480 Is that the one with the two people in the bed? 1020 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,480 No. 1021 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,480 That is available. 1022 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,360 And it wasn't ever finished. 1023 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,720 That one's called Not Enough Time. 1024 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:47,720 It was meant to be. 1025 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:48,720 How ironic. 1026 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:49,720 I know. 1027 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:54,360 Look, I will show you this scene afterwards and have a laugh. 1028 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,360 Really? 1029 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,360 I'm excited. 1030 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,360 It's very good. 1031 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,360 Not really. 1032 00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,360 It's terrible. 1033 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,920 But I mean, like it's clearly like 2011. 1034 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,760 God, shit, damn, like 11 years ago. 1035 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,880 Do you have any like 2011 like film styles? 1036 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,640 Like you know the jagged like camera angles? 1037 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,640 Like, distorted. 1038 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,640 No, not even. 1039 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,960 Not even like it was, we've, the sad thing was we filmed a majority of it and then one 1040 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,640 of our actors pulled out. 1041 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,360 And just, I think because they were hoping it was bigger than it actually was, which 1042 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,960 I don't blame them because I knew jack shit nothing. 1043 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,640 But I mean, the attempt was there. 1044 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,400 And I, yeah, it was one of those situations where we filmed it and then it never got finished. 1045 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,160 And then it just, I was like after a few years, here it is on the internet. 1046 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,880 People can just review what has been filmed and see what you think. 1047 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,280 I love that. 1048 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,560 It was originally like a 25 minute script. 1049 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,720 Like, and we filmed it over the course of months. 1050 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,920 Like it was every few day we had a weekend free, we'd film a bit. 1051 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,160 I've seen like those on Star now. 1052 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,800 It's like, we'll be filming over three months every weekend. 1053 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,240 Oh, can I just say it was before Star Now. 1054 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,680 I networked through a party. 1055 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:20,360 One of my good friends, I networked through a party and he was like, I know a bunch of 1056 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,360 actors. 1057 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,360 I'm cool. 1058 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,360 Let's hook up. 1059 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,360 And we did. 1060 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,840 I love that though, because so many people that I'm collaborating with was just through 1061 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:29,840 that. 1062 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,640 And the feedback I've gotten about doing film, not necessarily of people seeing it because 1063 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,160 nobody has seen it yet. 1064 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,720 But the feedback I've gotten from people's response to me doing this is like, wow, I 1065 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:44,640 always say I'm going to do those things and I never do them. 1066 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,640 And I'm like, wow, why did I do it? 1067 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,360 Because I remember I just literally picked up my pen and I just started. 1068 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,600 I just started and I just didn't finish. 1069 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,640 I just kept going and I'm still keep, I'm just going. 1070 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,320 And it's kind of like when I look back and I see, and I remember it got scarier and scarier 1071 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,560 because it was like, oh wow, like it's growing and people are getting on board. 1072 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,200 And I didn't expect it to have an end up having like 30 people on set that day. 1073 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,160 I think it's overwhelming as a director as well, because I've never directed before. 1074 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,640 I've never directed before. 1075 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,660 And then all of a sudden people are asking me these questions. 1076 00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:27,140 And I was just like that whole day, it was just questions, questions, questions. 1077 00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:30,880 And there's so many scenes I had to cry as an actor and people were like, wow, that was 1078 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,880 so moving. 1079 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:32,880 How did you do that? 1080 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,680 And I'm like, stress, stress led me to weep. 1081 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,920 I was just, I've never been that emotionally, physically, psychologically challenged in 1082 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,920 my life. 1083 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,200 And it just is when you're a director and you're starting, you just have to do it. 1084 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,680 And it's not about like a lot of people say, oh, I've got to do this first and I've got 1085 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,680 to do that first. 1086 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,280 And I'm like, a lot about being a filmmaker is about just going for it. 1087 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,040 And yes, you want foresight. 1088 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,080 And the thing is, obviously from that experience is a lot that I would do better. 1089 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,000 And I think every experience as a filmmaker you learn from it. 1090 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,920 And no film is ever perfect. 1091 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:11,320 But I learned so much more faster from doing than I probably would have overly preparing. 1092 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:16,600 I just think that the film industry is very, it's very action based. 1093 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,200 You know, like you've got to be in it, you've got to experience it. 1094 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,600 But yeah, I don't know if that was your experience being, you know, making a film for your first 1095 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,600 time. 1096 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,600 Absolutely. 1097 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,360 And I feel like every film I've ever directed and or every scene I've ever directed, I will 1098 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,280 go with scene probably because you always learn day by day. 1099 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,440 But every time you try something, you learn a different way and you learn how to be better. 1100 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,800 And I mean, like, I was in that situation until, you know, the pandemic hit the wonderful 1101 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:52,440 pandemic, but I was in the process of producing and directing my first ever horror film. 1102 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,600 And we got so big with crew and cast and everything. 1103 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:02,440 And it just, I like, it was just kind of got to a stage where I was like, my brain could 1104 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,080 not handle the stress. 1105 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,060 And look, it's still a project I'm very proud of. 1106 00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:10,340 It's still sits in a drawer. 1107 00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:14,920 It's still like is fermenting away in the back of my head and it will be finished one 1108 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:15,920 day. 1109 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:16,920 So, you know, tune in for that. 1110 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,440 But can I just put a little flag on a word you just said? 1111 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,440 Yeah. 1112 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,440 And I've been talking to my partner about this a lot. 1113 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,440 Is it fermenting? 1114 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,440 We've been talking about fermenting a lot. 1115 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,440 Who knows what that means? 1116 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,440 What is that? 1117 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,440 But we've been talking about, what is it? 1118 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,440 Now I forgot what the flagged word was. 1119 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,440 No, I remember it now. 1120 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,440 Being proud. 1121 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,440 Yes. 1122 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:43,880 Because I'll usually get to the end of the, and here's the thing, by the way, to end my 1123 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:44,880 story as an actor, right? 1124 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:45,880 Yes. 1125 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:46,880 I've never finished that story, by the way. 1126 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,880 Maybe we both have ADHD. 1127 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,880 We'll just jump it all over the shop. 1128 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:51,880 Anyway. 1129 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,440 Look, that could be a possibility. 1130 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,080 I'm actually looking into it at the moment. 1131 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,080 Don't worry. 1132 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,560 I already know I have it. 1133 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,680 So, you know, if Amy has it, this explains a lot of this conversation. 1134 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,680 Oh, wow. 1135 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,000 You're getting thrown in so many wonderful ideas. 1136 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000 I know. 1137 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,840 But what was I talking about? 1138 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,840 About your wonderful epiphany. 1139 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,840 My epiphany. 1140 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,840 About being proud. 1141 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,840 Yes. 1142 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:16,840 Proud, proud, proud, proud. 1143 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:17,840 Yeah. 1144 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,200 So, I think it's back to this thing of like, if you want to have longevity in this industry, 1145 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,800 it's a lot less about who you become as like success wise. 1146 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,080 Because I think performers focus and creatives focus a lot on success. 1147 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:35,880 And my partner challenged me on that on the other day. 1148 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,880 English is a hard language. 1149 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,320 And that's our first. 1150 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,960 That was just some great ASMR for the ears, everyone. 1151 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,920 No, but we were talking about being proud of my work. 1152 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800 Because my story as an actor actually continued on. 1153 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,840 So I literally could not get any acting gig for like, I wasn't auditioning for like six 1154 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,600 months with this agency and just like woe is me to the world. 1155 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,040 And I had this day where I was teaching, because I'm also a singing coach. 1156 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,720 That's what I do as my side job and you know, how I survive. 1157 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:16,880 And what I had this lady come in with this crazy, crazy kid that was just like running 1158 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,280 all over the shop and he had this cute little American accent and he came in. 1159 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,200 And I remember this day I'd worked with a really annoying director who had pretty much 1160 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,680 just told all of us like, I hate my work. 1161 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,400 And we'd all like just poured our hearts out as an actor, as actors. 1162 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,880 And he treated us all quite badly. 1163 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,480 And it was just not a great experience. 1164 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,960 And I remember that day just feeling really discouraged. 1165 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,360 Like even the work that I do is not going to be seen and just feeling like, you know, 1166 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,800 like it was hopeless as an actor. 1167 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,320 I'm like, really this is a hopeless situation. 1168 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,560 And I remember I had this new kid come into my class and the last thing I wanted was to 1169 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,800 go and talk to a parent to get this kid in and make this kid's day by giving him the 1170 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,800 best class ever. 1171 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,000 But I said, you know, I'm just going to anytime something bad happens or you're having a bad 1172 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:06,680 day, do something nice for someone, step out of that head space and actually show kindness. 1173 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:12,640 And so I went out and I started talking to her and I said, Oh, where are you from? 1174 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,520 You know, your kids got an American accent. 1175 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,680 She's like, Oh, well for COVID I'm, I'm actually, I'm an American, but I'm over here for just, 1176 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,480 you know, for work because I can work in Australia. 1177 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,480 I'm originally from Australia. 1178 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,040 I was like, Oh, that's great. 1179 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,200 I lived in LA for a bit. 1180 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,200 She's like, Oh, really? 1181 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,200 What did you do music? 1182 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,200 And I said, no, no, no, I'm actually an actor. 1183 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,280 I'm, you know, and then yeah, yeah. 1184 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,040 You know, as an actor, like you're kind of embarrassed. 1185 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,560 She was like, Oh yeah, I'm an actor. 1186 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,560 And then she's like, Oh really? 1187 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:40,560 I'm a manager. 1188 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,560 Ooh. 1189 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:42,560 And I was like, a manager? 1190 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:43,560 What is a manager? 1191 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,160 I haven't heard of such things in Australia. 1192 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,240 And she was like, I, yeah, no, cause a manager is different to an agent just saying, you 1193 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,320 know, so an agent will have many actors in their books. 1194 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,600 A manager will have specific people. 1195 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,460 Like they'll only have one person in their books that looks like you and they just specifically 1196 01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:06,040 fight for your career with your particular look and what you would be suited for. 1197 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,880 So their books are small and it's very specifically like, it's a very personal relationship. 1198 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:16,080 You'll probably have a manager your whole life, agents, you might go through quite a 1199 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,080 few. 1200 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,080 We'll just say that. 1201 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,800 Why everyone's like, I need a new agent because you go through quite a few. 1202 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:22,800 It's like therapists. 1203 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:23,800 It is. 1204 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:24,800 Isn't it? 1205 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,800 Yeah. 1206 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,800 You guys are. 1207 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:27,800 Yeah. 1208 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:28,800 Quite a few. 1209 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:29,800 Thinking about my fourth right now. 1210 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,800 Am I? 1211 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:40,080 But, and she ended up over a long period of time auditioning and sending her tapes. 1212 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,880 We ended up, I ended up becoming one of her clients and she changed the game for me. 1213 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,560 And now I'm honestly getting, so I went from, and I'm not saying this to brag, but it is 1214 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,440 good for actors out there that are struggling to know tables can turn and can actually start, 1215 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,440 you know, doing quite well. 1216 01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:01,520 Now I'm getting up to about on a good month, 10 auditions a month. 1217 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,600 That's great. 1218 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,000 It's very good for an actor in Australia. 1219 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,680 A lot of that's TVCs because a lot of our income as actors come through as TVCs, but 1220 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,240 some of them are, you know, some now agencies are starting to, you know, recognize me and 1221 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,840 giving me like, you know, big, bigger parts, Stan series, that kind of thing, starting 1222 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,520 to recognize, you know, what I'm doing and, but getting caught in consistently, especially 1223 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,520 for commercials. 1224 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:29,960 I've now booked, I'm up to my fifth commercial in, I think it's five or six months. 1225 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,180 I've booked five, five commercials. 1226 01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:37,600 So I'm only saying that not to brag, but I'm saying that not to brag, but, but to say to 1227 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,560 people out there that are actors, things do happen when you wait around. 1228 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:46,000 And, but I can still look at that and not be proud of myself and be like, but I'm not 1229 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,360 like, I'm not Nicole Kidman. 1230 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,360 I'm not Hugh Jackman. 1231 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,040 And I'm like, well, you're not. 1232 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,480 And that's actually okay. 1233 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:57,820 And I think that it's about being proud of the little things, being proud of the project 1234 01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:02,720 that is in your draw, that you work, but represents who you are as a creative person. 1235 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,600 Being proud of these things that we're doing and learning as artists, how to empower ourselves 1236 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,360 in an industry that isn't going to fight to give you opportunities. 1237 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,360 You have to go out there and be proactive. 1238 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:18,340 And it comes back to this thing of relationships as well. 1239 01:02:18,340 --> 01:02:23,900 Seeing people in the industry having conversations like this that are satisfied, that are not 1240 01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:30,640 full of ego, that full of humility and mistakes and full of us learning. 1241 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:36,000 And that, you know, the most incredible creatives I've ever met have not been Nicole Kidman's 1242 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,280 and the Hugh Jackman's. 1243 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,480 No, they've been the people that I see getting rejected a million times and maybe didn't 1244 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:49,600 have luck, but keep on getting up again and exploring their voices, creatives and fighting 1245 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:54,640 that feeling that they had when they originally decided I want to be an actor, I want to be 1246 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,880 a director or producer. 1247 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,160 And at the end of the day, it's about the stories we're telling and if we can focus 1248 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,800 on that and the power. 1249 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:07,720 Film is an incredible medium of influencing people's mindsets through the power of empathy 1250 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,060 and compassion. 1251 01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:15,480 And if we can start to think in that way as creatives, you know, I think that we start 1252 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,400 to get a lot more proud of what we're creating and who we are as people, which comes back 1253 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,440 to identity. 1254 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,440 Write that on a magnet. 1255 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,040 Just on a magnet. 1256 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,040 On a fridge magnet. 1257 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,480 You can stick it on your fridge. 1258 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,560 Please do. 1259 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,920 And then come back to us and give us the magnet because we need it. 1260 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,200 To look at every day. 1261 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:41,460 I mean, it's so true as well because I think how my career started was I wanted to be an 1262 01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:45,800 actor, then the only way you could be an actor was to be in films. 1263 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,440 So then make my own films to be in them. 1264 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,760 But then I got interested in editing and I was like, oh cool, I need more editing projects. 1265 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,080 And then so I went to do uni and then after that I didn't get any projects so I decided 1266 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,680 to make my own films to edit. 1267 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,800 And therefore it's the cycle of no one was really going to fight for you. 1268 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:12,280 And I've met and I sort of say this all the time, but I think that networking as much 1269 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,880 as people hate it and as much as like people go, oh my god, you know, networking, why would 1270 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,160 you network? 1271 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:24,240 But I have met some of the most wonderful people out there who will help me at a heartbeat 1272 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,560 or just, you know, like, and if they're available and they can do it for a day, then they will 1273 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:29,560 help out. 1274 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:34,960 And it's, you kind of, everything in this industry is made out of love and connection 1275 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,240 and helping people because it's not a very profitable industry. 1276 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,680 It's the amount of times that I've been out of pocket or anything. 1277 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,400 And it's just like, I'm happy to help people who are eager to learn, who don't have egos, 1278 01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:56,120 who are just really wanting to give it a good hard go and know that every experience is 1279 01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,120 a learning experience. 1280 01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:02,360 And then it's easier because, you know, then it makes you excited for things because then 1281 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,560 it makes you excited for people's ideas and people's projects. 1282 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:15,000 And the amount of projects I've heard that, you know, have done well, you know, like, 1283 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:20,000 and I'm talking successfully well, sometimes are the ones that suck your soul up and everyone's 1284 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,880 had a miserable time on set. 1285 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,320 And then there's some of the projects that you end up loving, the ones that don't, you 1286 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,360 know, sometimes people see in a film festival and they go, that was really good. 1287 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,360 You know, it really depends. 1288 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,520 I don't know where that story was going quite as it does about lifting. 1289 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:40,720 But I mean, like, it's true because I think you've got to always be proud of everything 1290 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,720 you do. 1291 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,360 And there are so many projects that I am proud of that I've done. 1292 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:49,000 And they might not be even seen by that many people, but I am fine with that because I'm 1293 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,160 proud of every single one attempt that I've done on them. 1294 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,320 And you know what, there's a lot of people in Hollywood films or doing Hollywood films 1295 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,880 that would look at their films and not feel proud of them. 1296 01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:59,880 100%. 1297 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:05,600 You know, like, wow, that is true, actually. 1298 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:10,880 And you know, it's funny because I think it's the humility that we have as creatives because 1299 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,080 you've got to have humility. 1300 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:20,360 You've got to really go, well, that's, you know, what I love and what I want to do. 1301 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:25,800 And it comes back to me of something like one of my favorite actors, John Hurt said, 1302 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,600 as creatives, he said, we don't, you know, they don't call it a play because, you know, 1303 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,840 you're performing, you're playing, you're in a playground, you're playing those characters, 1304 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:35,840 you're having fun. 1305 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,600 I hate the term work. 1306 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,240 And he said that he said that so firmly. 1307 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,520 And I was like, I agree with that. 1308 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:41,520 You don't. 1309 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:46,040 If someone says to me, oh, this is work, I'm like, no, don't think about what you're doing 1310 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:52,080 as work because then it becomes serious and demanding and of your time, say it's fun because 1311 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,520 then you change your mindset and your brain and the way you think about something and 1312 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,760 you get more enjoyment out of it. 1313 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,560 Because the downside of the industry is a lot of people become cynics and depressed 1314 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,880 and you know, like mental health issues as a massive industry. 1315 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,480 I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of one of those things that I think, you know, isn't 1316 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,120 broadly talked, well, it is more broadly talked about now, but it wasn't back in the day where 1317 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,920 it was like, yeah, you'd get mentally depressed or, you know, you'd need to have off periods. 1318 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,520 Like, um, I think I've had my fair share of those. 1319 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:31,680 Um, but you know, like I was like, you were, you know, I just, I just gave up for a while 1320 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:36,160 and I did my mundane job and I was like, cool, that's my life. 1321 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,920 That is, that is what I'm going to do. 1322 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,040 And that is it. 1323 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,320 And then now I'm more like, Oh, what kind of pies can I get my fingers into and what 1324 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,200 can I sort of stir up and make? 1325 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:51,720 But it's, it's down to, it's, it is down to just like getting out of that mindset and 1326 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,960 going and thriving in the environment because there's so many times where I've met people 1327 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,440 and I go, here's an idea. 1328 01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:59,440 And they go nap. 1329 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,880 Um, you know, and it's not, you know, because they're like, Oh no, it needs to be like cinematic. 1330 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:08,960 And I'm like, no, why would you dispute an idea when it's like, you know, this is the 1331 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,320 idea and it needs to be a small story and, you know, and they want to make everything 1332 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,200 sort of like, I've worked with so many creatives who have different opinions and they go, Oh, 1333 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:17,200 it needs to be global. 1334 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,880 It needs to be like this big bag boom, you know, and I'm just like, embrace the small 1335 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,400 ideas, like embrace, not everything's going to be Ben her and not everything's going to 1336 01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:26,800 be the next Steven Spielberg. 1337 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,800 Yep. 1338 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,160 Like just enjoy the little things. 1339 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,160 I agree. 1340 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,080 I mean, I think what we're really highlighting is this culture. 1341 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,200 It's a cultural issue. 1342 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,600 It does a culture issue, but it is, it is this thing of that. 1343 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,240 Um, I don't know, like I've been thinking a lot about values recently and what I value 1344 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:52,160 and how, what you value internally is going to either lead you to a path of life or death, 1345 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:53,160 right? 1346 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,000 Which sounds really like intense, but death, I mean, by like a mindset that's not going 1347 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,240 to lead you to a happy life, a life where you feel fulfilled, a life where you feel 1348 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:08,960 like I'm authentically myself even, and a life that's actually full of happiness and 1349 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,280 joy, a life that you'll look back on and be proud of. 1350 01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:16,760 And I think where we get caught up is we tend to think that famous people or the people 1351 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,040 that are making it big, other people that are valuable in society that have influence 1352 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,880 that we need to be looking up to, that we need to be like all these different things 1353 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:30,280 when it's actually not necessarily, I think, um, I mean, first off, I feel like the whole 1354 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:31,600 celebrity thing, right? 1355 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,240 It's like Instagram, we're not getting people's full stories. 1356 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,920 So we're looking up to these people that I think we can admire them as creatives, but 1357 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:43,160 we are also getting, I think, like a certain level of a mass produced, created, like, you 1358 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:48,840 know, those Thor movies, for example, it's like so many incredible visual effects. 1359 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,800 Um, but you know, um, even though, you know, I have friends that worked on that film, so 1360 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:54,800 I'm not dissing that. 1361 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:55,800 I love that. 1362 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,160 I'm like, I'm not dissing it. 1363 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,160 I swear. 1364 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,160 I swear. 1365 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,640 Um, I mean, I agree with that as well. 1366 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:11,560 And I think that, you know, um, yeah, I mean, like those films, those films are cookie cutter 1367 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,560 as well. 1368 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:18,040 Like that is the, you know, whether you worked on them or not, like they are made to make 1369 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:23,720 money and, and they're not made to be reviewed by critics high of going, they're not. 1370 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,440 They're comic book films and they're fun. 1371 01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:32,880 And if you think heavily on the philosophical nature of a comic book film, you need to think 1372 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,320 more about the universe and the plants itself. 1373 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,200 Cause they're fun to nerd out on, but that's as far as it goes. 1374 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,600 I do not sit there hours upon end thinking, oh, who should have died in this movie and 1375 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,600 who didn't die? 1376 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,080 Like I, you know, I've, it's, it's the same thing of like, you know, whenever I watch 1377 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,800 anything and I just go like, cool, that was good. 1378 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,760 That was, you know, because that's how content's meant to be watched. 1379 01:10:54,760 --> 01:11:01,080 But I think we get into this, you know, cultural thing where like as audience, we're like, 1380 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:06,240 it has to be made for us and it has to be dictated a hundred percent. 1381 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,880 And if it's not this caliber, then I shall destroy it. 1382 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:18,240 Um, and we tend to then overlook and glamorize this, um, level of our own products, which 1383 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:22,120 is if something doesn't look, as you say, like the Hollywood films, then we're not as 1384 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,000 satisfied with the outcome. 1385 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,240 And we go, well, that was shit. 1386 01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,760 And I think that that's, that's what I dislike. 1387 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:36,640 And I mean, like it's, there is a thing where I wouldn't ever want to be famous. 1388 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,400 I would never ever want to be that level of famous. 1389 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:44,720 Like, you know, where my name is in articles and people read about my, like going out and 1390 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,800 having coffee and being like, why is that fucking important? 1391 01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,000 Like, why is that necessary? 1392 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,360 Because you know, like they do that all the time where it's like people have divorces 1393 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,360 and stuff. 1394 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,720 And then suddenly there's a whole article about, oh, look, these people had a divorce 1395 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:57,720 and look, they're getting remarried. 1396 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,160 It's like, why is that an issue? 1397 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,600 Like that should be someone, whereas you, they, you know, you and I, at the moment, 1398 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:05,600 no one's going to read an article. 1399 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:06,600 Nope. 1400 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,440 No one's going to read an article on me. 1401 01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:11,920 They're going to be, not right now, at least. 1402 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,520 No, not, not now, at least. 1403 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:14,520 And you're right. 1404 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,440 I think that kind of level of attention would be, it would create issues. 1405 01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:20,240 It would create relationship issues. 1406 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,800 It would create, if you didn't have really good people around you, you know, you'd be 1407 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:25,800 very lonely. 1408 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:26,800 Yeah. 1409 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,800 And so I think like, and I like to encourage, if there is a young creative out there listening 1410 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,280 to this, that's just starting their career. 1411 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,000 Cause what, it's like the, the moldable time. 1412 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,000 I know. 1413 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,320 It's such a, I know, because you know, you don't want to feed people when they're getting 1414 01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,680 into the industry, all these things about like, he's going to be famous, it's going 1415 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:45,680 to be amazing. 1416 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,680 You're going to be a star, you're going to be a star, Stella. 1417 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:49,680 No, it's got to be. 1418 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:50,680 Stella! 1419 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:51,680 Why is it always Stella? 1420 01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:52,680 I don't know. 1421 01:12:52,680 --> 01:13:00,440 Um, but I do think like, I really like, like young people who want to be actors always 1422 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:01,440 ask me, should I be an actor? 1423 01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:05,000 And I'm like, if there is, cause it is very hard. 1424 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:09,720 I'm like, if there is, if you're doing it for fame and there is nothing else, you, like 1425 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,520 I just, I think that it's a damaging, people say that and it sounds really cliche. 1426 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,240 Oh, well, if you're doing it for fame, don't do it. 1427 01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,720 But it's not actually that attitude. 1428 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,960 It's actually like, if you're doing it for fame, you will be disappointed. 1429 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:25,040 Because most people that are famous, it's not because they're good or they've done 1430 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,040 anything. 1431 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,040 So there's no formula to it, right? 1432 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,680 It's not like, oh, if you work really hard, this is going to happen. 1433 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,560 Even though I know celebrities say that, right? 1434 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,560 I worked really hard. 1435 01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,480 A lot of people work really, really hard and that's not the end narrative for them. 1436 01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:41,600 And that sounds really depressing, but it doesn't need to be because really the way 1437 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:47,880 to be a creative that I think influences the industry in a positive way is to think about 1438 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,540 like, especially for actors. 1439 01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:52,600 Cause I think sometimes it's hard to know what your voice is when you're always telling 1440 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,600 other people's voices. 1441 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:59,240 It's why filmmaking get into filmmaking because you will start to explore what is it in society 1442 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:00,800 that pulls my heartstrings? 1443 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,040 What is it in society like that? 1444 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,400 I want to influence the way that people think about certain things. 1445 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,680 For me, big thing for me is mental health. 1446 01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,440 I want to influence how people think about mental health. 1447 01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:16,680 And when I realized that and how important that is to me, I started to find my voice 1448 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:22,200 as a director and I started to branch out into this new creative field and I learn a 1449 01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:23,840 whole new art of communication. 1450 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,320 And I just really encourage young people to like, we're also not an American industry. 1451 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,280 I know I said that before, but Australia's industry is a different industry. 1452 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,320 If you go to Canada, if you go to UK, they're all different industries and you have to operate 1453 01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:36,320 in them differently. 1454 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,200 So know the industry you're in and what that means. 1455 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,840 It means you're probably going to need to create film. 1456 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:47,960 You're probably going to need to be, and like you said, people aren't going to believe in 1457 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:48,960 you. 1458 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,940 I know that sounds horrible, but people are not going to believe in you. 1459 01:14:51,940 --> 01:14:57,240 Even if you were the most talented thing that anybody's ever seen, people may still not 1460 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,480 believe in you because it is actually about networking. 1461 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:06,440 And I don't know why actors get freaked or film people get freaked out about networking 1462 01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:09,400 because all it is is making friends. 1463 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,720 Making friends like I'm not going to network with people I don't get along with. 1464 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:17,160 Even if they're really important, I'm like, oh, well, I'll keep face, but I'm not going 1465 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,760 to spend heaps of time investing because we don't get along. 1466 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,640 We're not going to collaborate and create well anyways. 1467 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:22,640 Yeah. 1468 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,040 I mean, like this is, this is like, I'm just counting down the minutes until this conversation's 1469 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,040 over. 1470 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,040 Oh really? 1471 01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,040 Oh really? 1472 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,040 Is it about to? 1473 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:31,040 No, it's not. 1474 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,040 Oh gosh. 1475 01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,040 I'm like, oh, you're being serious. 1476 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,880 I'm like, have I talked too much? 1477 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:35,880 People tell me that all the time. 1478 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:36,880 No, you didn't. 1479 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,240 But I mean, like that's so true. 1480 01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:47,400 I think, I think it's also this industry talks and it's very clear that we talk because it's, 1481 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:52,220 it's one of those things that I've been on set and I've worked with people who have like, 1482 01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:56,560 you know, I haven't thought were, you know, honestly that great. 1483 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,360 And I've said that to other people. 1484 01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:02,160 And then that means that, you know, and I haven't been like, oh, that person was shit. 1485 01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:03,640 You know, you do it in a respectful way. 1486 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,920 You don't, you just go, I didn't gel with this person. 1487 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,960 You might, I think they've got talent, but I didn't gel with them. 1488 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:11,960 Yeah. 1489 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,080 And, or if they're a horrible person, then you just go, don't work ever with this person. 1490 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,080 Yes. 1491 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,080 If they're toxic. 1492 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,080 If they're toxic, then don't. 1493 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,360 Um, but I've generally said that, and there are some people in this industry that I would 1494 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,440 never work with again, that I'm like, cool, I will just avoid their projects. 1495 01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:32,160 Um, but you know, if there was no one I've, I've set out and gone, I hate this person. 1496 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,160 Yes. 1497 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:34,160 Malicious. 1498 01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,680 And there's only the one or two. 1499 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,960 Um, but that's a story for another time. 1500 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,440 Um, but I mean, like it's, it's a very talkative industry and I think you just got to kind 1501 01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:49,400 of walk this, um, line of professional and respectful and humility. 1502 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:50,400 Yeah. 1503 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,800 It goes back to humility, but I think a lot of young artists and a lot of, and a lot of 1504 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:59,360 people in general, and it comes out of, you know, like things like cancer culture and 1505 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:00,360 everything. 1506 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:01,360 We just jumped the gun. 1507 01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,360 Yep. 1508 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,160 We jumped the gun before we have any evidence or rationalization. 1509 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:10,400 And then suddenly a situation that could be very easily handled suddenly becomes an impossible 1510 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,920 situation that no one can handle. 1511 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,240 And then everyone has to choose sides. 1512 01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,280 And that's the dumbest thing because I've been on sets where I'm like, I don't have 1513 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,280 to choose sides. 1514 01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,480 If we talk about this, then let's sort it. 1515 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:22,480 Yeah. 1516 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:23,480 Like we're all mature adults. 1517 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:24,480 Yeah. 1518 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:25,480 And we're like, why don't we sort it? 1519 01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:26,480 Yeah. 1520 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:29,880 But there's no, there was so many people, I think it's the creative brain where you 1521 01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,720 just don't want to mediate a situation. 1522 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,720 You just want it gone. 1523 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:33,720 Yeah. 1524 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,720 And I find that like frustrating. 1525 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:37,720 Yeah. 1526 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:42,520 And I just like, it goes back to the, those situations of like having safe sets and everything. 1527 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,080 Like if you can't talk, then that's not a safe set. 1528 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,000 That is, but yes, you know, that's, that's the real one. 1529 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,520 That is really good. 1530 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,240 And you know, I think it comes predominantly on, you know, the fact that sets were male 1531 01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,360 dominated until not like long ago they were. 1532 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:04,920 And it was a good old jolly time. 1533 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,600 But no, and I think a lot of, you know, a lot of women have had to step their way up 1534 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:10,600 and fight for it. 1535 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:17,720 And that, but in, in doing so, the cancel culture and has snuck its ugly head and created 1536 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:23,720 bad situations coming out of it, which, you know, then becomes people manipulating situations 1537 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,880 and fabricating stories. 1538 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,800 And whether or not those stories are true and multiple accounts, but they also could 1539 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:34,280 be, you could ask five people and five, you know, there was a funny story. 1540 01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,720 I remember one of my friends said, which was like literally everyone knew me. 1541 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,720 I asked, I asked them how many people probably dislike me. 1542 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,440 And she was probably like, only about five, I think five or six. 1543 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:50,960 And it was because, you know, people know you, but they don't really know you. 1544 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,640 If you have a bad day and then you're a bit grumpy on set and someone goes, God, that 1545 01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,120 was shit to work with. 1546 01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,800 When you ask how they were like, why were they grumpy? 1547 01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:00,800 You know, it's called checking. 1548 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,800 I don't know. 1549 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:02,800 It's called checking in. 1550 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,240 It's called having a bit of humility yourself as a person as well. 1551 01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,120 And, and checking in because we all have a brain. 1552 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,120 We do. 1553 01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,400 We all aren't just monsters underneath. 1554 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:13,400 Yeah. 1555 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:14,400 Sorry. 1556 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,400 No, no. 1557 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,400 You're going to say you go inside. 1558 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:24,880 Well, I was going to say that I have noticed on set, especially the bigger ones. 1559 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,680 There is a lot of gossip culture as well. 1560 01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:27,680 Yes. 1561 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:34,240 And that's where I think things get toxic or people can get ostracized or there can 1562 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:35,800 be this bullying on set. 1563 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:36,800 Yeah. 1564 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:37,800 And that's what we don't want. 1565 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:39,120 You know, I think nobody wants that. 1566 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,320 It's not high school, right? 1567 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,200 And or isn't it? 1568 01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,400 But, you know, that also is just the culture that you set. 1569 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,680 Like, you know, I mean, the funny thing about being a director is it really made me have 1570 01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,280 looked back at other situations where people had directed me and I actually was able to 1571 01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,680 recognize all that was wrong. 1572 01:19:58,680 --> 01:19:59,680 Yeah. 1573 01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:04,360 Because I, the way I handled it, I was under immense stress and I did not yell at one person 1574 01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,800 or I did not get angry at one person or speak harshly. 1575 01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,240 I was very direct because you have to be as a director. 1576 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:17,200 And there were certain times where people would, were not aware of what they needed 1577 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,200 to be doing. 1578 01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,520 And it made my job harder, harder than it already was. 1579 01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:29,200 You know, but I learned that like, you know, you respect, like you respect the people that 1580 01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:30,200 are working for you. 1581 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:35,240 And it's the same with, I think this is all about creating healthy set culture, I believe, 1582 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:36,240 what we're talking about. 1583 01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:37,240 Yeah. 1584 01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,320 And it is that thing of like there is gossiping and there is these things, but that all comes 1585 01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:40,320 back to communication. 1586 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:44,960 And like communicating to people if there is a weird or off feeling like, Hey, is there 1587 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,960 something weird going on here? 1588 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,520 Like just bring it up with them because you know, I don't, I just, I would like to talk 1589 01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:50,680 about it because I'm in my head a bit. 1590 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,200 Like do you want, is there, and then they can say, Oh no, I was just tired or, Oh, are 1591 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:55,200 you tired? 1592 01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:56,280 Do you want to talk to me about that? 1593 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,680 Like creating that space for people. 1594 01:20:58,680 --> 01:20:59,680 Yeah. 1595 01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:04,600 I feel like, I feel like some people just don't ever know how to articulate themselves. 1596 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:05,600 Very true. 1597 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,360 And that can come down to the individual. 1598 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,360 And sometimes people just, unfortunately, no matter how nice you are, don't feel comfortable 1599 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,160 about, you know, confrontation. 1600 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:18,200 And that makes it harder because then you don't actually ever resolve a situation and 1601 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,320 it just simmers. 1602 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,840 And those are my favorites because some people just don't know how to deal, but I'm very 1603 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:26,840 direct. 1604 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,400 I've always have been, I think it's the ADHD in me. 1605 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,960 I'm very just blunt. 1606 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,200 But I remember like the last set I was on, someone's phone went off and in, I've never 1607 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,200 yelled on set. 1608 01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,560 I've never argued or belittled anyone. 1609 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:45,240 I just remember very direct and just saying, whoever's phone that is, please turn that 1610 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:46,240 off. 1611 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:47,240 Yes. 1612 01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,000 And they, everyone was like, it's not our phone. 1613 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,580 I was like, I don't mind or care whose phone it is. 1614 01:21:53,580 --> 01:21:54,580 Just make sure it's off. 1615 01:21:54,580 --> 01:21:55,580 Yes. 1616 01:21:55,580 --> 01:21:57,440 And then was like back to filming. 1617 01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:58,440 Yeah. 1618 01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:02,400 But you know what, actually I will say, cause that moment in the bathtub, I did get a little 1619 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,680 bit, that was the only time I was quite direct. 1620 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,960 To the point where it could almost come across as me being a little bit rude. 1621 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,960 But the truth is when you look at situations like what we're in, there is an appropriate 1622 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:21,920 time if someone has not been aware at the intensity of what is happening to almost as 1623 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:27,200 it, cause emotions are healthy emotions regulated well. 1624 01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,120 Are you actually expressing a need? 1625 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,520 And if someone has crossed a boundary when you've expressed a need and they still have 1626 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,880 crossed that boundary, there is actually an appropriate, not over the top where it's like 1627 01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:38,880 damaging. 1628 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,680 Like you know, like, ah yeah, fuck, you know, like, no, I didn't do that. 1629 01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:44,680 Fuck. 1630 01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:49,520 Sounds like you have Tourette's right there. 1631 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,960 We have ADHD and Tourette's. 1632 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:52,960 Oh my gosh. 1633 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,840 But I mean like it's true. 1634 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,680 And I also feel like you did handle that well responsibly in a way that was constructive, 1635 01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,700 because I feel like no matter in a situation where you are vulnerable, you are the director 1636 01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:07,240 and you are the main star. 1637 01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,040 No matter what you say, that is gospel. 1638 01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:11,720 And it has to be listened to. 1639 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:18,440 And I say this like that if someone is in a vulnerable state, they can be as direct 1640 01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:23,120 as they fucking want to be. 1641 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,960 There is no limit on that. 1642 01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:30,520 But yeah, it's kind of just, I feel like, yeah, it's good to be firm as a director, 1643 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,600 but it's not good to be an asshole. 1644 01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,920 It's not good to be an asshole, which is yes, you're stressed. 1645 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,000 And that just comes down to healthy emotional regulation. 1646 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,200 Like if you're stressed, you need to regulate your emotions well. 1647 01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,200 I don't know why I laughed. 1648 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:43,200 Why are you laughing? 1649 01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,200 Because I know so many people who don't have healthy emotions. 1650 01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:47,200 Do not regulate. 1651 01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,520 You're just going to say them regulate, regulate, regulate, regulate. 1652 01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:54,920 Which just means that you're not going into overwhelm with your emotions to the point 1653 01:23:54,920 --> 01:24:00,840 where any little touch makes you explode, which I've been on sets like that before. 1654 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,040 And it is very hard to give well as an actor. 1655 01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:09,560 It is very hard for, and just like when I've, I've seen a director treat the crew members 1656 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:14,160 terribly, like to the point where I feel like I'm in an abusive domestic violence situation. 1657 01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,800 And they turn around to me and they're like, would you like some water sparkling or, you 1658 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,040 know, and you're like, you feel sick. 1659 01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,680 You're like, I'll just take nothing. 1660 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,160 You know, I can't even drink water. 1661 01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,480 I'm just like, oh. 1662 01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:33,440 So it is like, you know, I forgot what I was talking about. 1663 01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:34,560 No, I agree. 1664 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,120 I think I completely agree with that. 1665 01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:42,280 And I think that it's one of those situations that you, you kind of think about. 1666 01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:49,520 And I've been in situations both like in corporate environments, on set environments and just, 1667 01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,440 you know, like that comes to a time where you just, and I really, really, really, really 1668 01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:55,520 don't like to face people. 1669 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,720 I really cannot stand to face people. 1670 01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,200 And you know, it's one of those things that I say, don't, you know, and I've said this 1671 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,480 since I was a teenager, don't pretend to be my friend if you're not going to actually 1672 01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:06,480 be my friend. 1673 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,080 Don't, you know, don't say stuff behind my back. 1674 01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,960 It's so, so bullshitty. 1675 01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:16,900 And you know, and I know so many people who are snakes in this industry, unfortunately. 1676 01:25:16,900 --> 01:25:20,360 And that is kind of just how they get ahead. 1677 01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:27,840 And I also think that, you know, don't, don't blow people up. 1678 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:32,580 It's one of those things that if someone is good and you're like, this person is this, 1679 01:25:32,580 --> 01:25:34,920 but they also do this as another job. 1680 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:39,320 And you know, they're like, they're an editor or they're an actor or they're, you know, 1681 01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:40,960 but they do also side things. 1682 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,680 Like, you know, some people talk about other people in the industry, like they only ever 1683 01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:45,680 do one job. 1684 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,280 And I'm like, everyone does multiple things. 1685 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,680 Like you're constantly working. 1686 01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:56,840 And I have definitely been on some sets where people don't understand that, you know, you 1687 01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,360 know, even if it's a paid environment, if it's unpaid, your time is limited, unfortunately, 1688 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,740 because it's not about how much you love the project. 1689 01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:07,640 It's how much you can give at that time. 1690 01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:13,640 What you have just hit on is the biggest challenge as a creative in this industry, which is, 1691 01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,800 and people who went in other industries don't understand it as well sometimes. 1692 01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:24,280 But you will put in so much time and resource and energy to make this career happen that 1693 01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,880 you actually don't have much energy for much else. 1694 01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,560 So anything you invest in, you're like taking a risk because it's your time and energy. 1695 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,520 And so it's like, that is the biggest exchange I feel like is sometimes it's not even about 1696 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:35,800 like how much pay it is. 1697 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,200 It's like, can I give this my time and energy? 1698 01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,840 Because anything that you say yes to, you could be saying no to something else. 1699 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,040 Or sometimes you have nothing to say yes to and there's seasons as well. 1700 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,320 And there's a stress in that and trying to make something happen. 1701 01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:58,280 But what I've kind of learned about the ebbs and flows of this industry is that, and that's 1702 01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:04,080 why I think so many people get burnout, mental health issues is because they are way too 1703 01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,540 focused, sorry, because, and this goes the same with the music industry. 1704 01:27:08,540 --> 01:27:11,440 Anyone I see in a creative field, it's like this. 1705 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:18,200 I wake up at like, you know what, I know it sounds late, like, oh yeah. 1706 01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,080 I wake up at like eight to nine o'clock and I know that sounds like, oh, you got a good 1707 01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:22,080 sleep in. 1708 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,480 Well, I, so I wake up at nine o'clock, I'll quickly eat. 1709 01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:28,880 I will do any tapes I have in the morning and then I will go straight to work and then 1710 01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,800 work till probably like eight, 30 to nine o'clock. 1711 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,000 Then I come home and I do the same thing. 1712 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,080 And then on Wednesdays is my one buffer day. 1713 01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:39,160 If I get something where I'm like, whoa, it's got like four pages and I have to hand it 1714 01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:40,760 in and I have to like, yeah. 1715 01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:45,560 So it's one of those things where people don't understand the crazy and not just that, but 1716 01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,520 then on the weekend, oh my goodness, I've got to do an editing session now. 1717 01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:53,640 And so my whole, you know, my whole Saturday will be filled with, you know, going to that 1718 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:58,280 editing session and putting sometimes things that I love on the side, like, and trying 1719 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,160 to balance, like having a relationship with that and trying to balance, I don't know, 1720 01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:08,200 something like family, like seeing my grandparents before they die, you know, they live in Wollongong 1721 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,920 and it's like an hour away and for some reason it's so hard. 1722 01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:11,920 Yeah. 1723 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,240 And my car broke down last week because as an artist, your brain starts to get frazzled 1724 01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,120 because you've got so many plates spinning. 1725 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,120 Yeah. 1726 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,920 You know, in the same week, my car broke down, I've dropped my laptop and the screen cracked 1727 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,000 and it's just like, it's crazy. 1728 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,000 It's chaos. 1729 01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,400 You know, it's crazy as well. 1730 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:28,400 You know? 1731 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,840 I mean, like I think you've also hit the nail on the head because it's like, you know, everyone 1732 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:34,680 goes, oh, how do you have the time to do anything? 1733 01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,680 And it's like, well, I don't. 1734 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,360 I just don't. 1735 01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,800 But I make time by doing things when I'm downtime at work. 1736 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:46,440 When I got downtime at work, I edit and that is, you know, and people go, oh, do you ever 1737 01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:47,440 have time? 1738 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:50,240 And it's like, literally I take on more than my brain should actually take on. 1739 01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:51,240 Yeah. 1740 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,240 Which is fun. 1741 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,120 But I think it's the ADHD in me, which it goes. 1742 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,600 Oh no, I think it's the ADHD in me. 1743 01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,880 I take on way too much. 1744 01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:00,880 I think we're alike. 1745 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:01,880 I think we may be. 1746 01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,320 Just with the nature of this conversation. 1747 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:09,240 I feel like this is either going to be a great, great friendship or a very troubling friendship. 1748 01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,240 Oh God. 1749 01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:14,160 But no, it's a hundred percent. 1750 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,200 You know, you hit the nail on the head because it's one of those things that I think people 1751 01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,640 don't compartmentalize and go, okay, cool. 1752 01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:26,200 I've got so many projects going on and you've got to find the time to do what you love. 1753 01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:27,200 Yes. 1754 01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:32,240 And I have learned even if you do something for like three minutes, you know, three minutes 1755 01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:37,160 of footage or five minutes of footage, depending on how many shots you've got and you shoot 1756 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,920 it in a day, that is still a day of effort that you've got to think about all those five 1757 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,480 minutes of content that you need to get. 1758 01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,480 And then that is a stress in itself. 1759 01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:50,360 So imagine doing like the multitudes of all that. 1760 01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,120 And I mean, like it's also kind of handy because I do post editing. 1761 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,320 So I kind of know what I go into and what I want when I direct. 1762 01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,640 So I can always be like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. 1763 01:29:58,640 --> 01:29:59,640 That's cool. 1764 01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:00,640 It's so good. 1765 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:01,640 It's coverage is easy for me. 1766 01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:02,640 Why? 1767 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:09,240 What's more annoying is just explaining the coverage to other people. 1768 01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:15,280 That's where my Achilles heel is because it's taking what's in here and putting it out there. 1769 01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,240 I have never said working with me is easy. 1770 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:19,240 You're a DOP. 1771 01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,840 I am so sorry to all the DOPs that I know. 1772 01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,560 But you're all amazing people. 1773 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:33,080 But I do take into everything that you do in terms of filmmaking and this process of 1774 01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:37,640 getting something right and making it and then the product and just going through between 1775 01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,920 the sound mixing, the music and then the final color grade and then everything. 1776 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:46,120 And then you look at the final thing and you're like, God, that's not shit that I thought 1777 01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,520 it was like after it was filmed. 1778 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,480 And I thought, oh God, no one's going to watch this. 1779 01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,160 And it was actually pretty good. 1780 01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:57,240 I think when you watch it through all those stages, you forget about how hard it was because 1781 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,320 then you instantly want to go, when's the next one? 1782 01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,320 I know exactly. 1783 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,720 And that's the thing of coming back to just being proud sometimes. 1784 01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:09,800 Because I don't think this scatterbrain everybody that I'm describing as myself is, it's actually 1785 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,480 something I'm trying to work on because I'm like, well, one day my grandparents will die 1786 01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:14,480 and have I seen them enough? 1787 01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:15,480 Have I been to Wollongong? 1788 01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:17,480 Have you seen your family? 1789 01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:18,480 Have I been seeing my family? 1790 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:19,480 Have I been eating? 1791 01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:20,480 Have I forgotten to eat? 1792 01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:21,480 Oh, have you done that? 1793 01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:24,480 Have I forgotten to eat all the time? 1794 01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:25,480 Do you forget to eat too? 1795 01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:26,480 Oh my goodness. 1796 01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:27,480 I feel like we do have ADHD. 1797 01:31:27,480 --> 01:31:32,640 I feel like we should give this to a psychologist or like somebody that sorts out if you have 1798 01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:37,360 ADHD and get like a free analysis. 1799 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,640 I feel like this is like now I'm just going to send the whole type. 1800 01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:41,640 Send it. 1801 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,360 We can get a joint diagnosis. 1802 01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,120 Well, I already know I have it. 1803 01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:46,520 Oh, you've got the diagnosis? 1804 01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:47,920 I had it since I was five. 1805 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:48,920 Oh. 1806 01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,920 I don't know what's helping you. 1807 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:52,920 Nothing. 1808 01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:58,480 I just have a meltdown every month and I pick myself up and I go again. 1809 01:31:58,480 --> 01:31:59,480 I mean, that sounds like ADHD. 1810 01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:04,040 So I think we're on a really, really start. 1811 01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:05,240 So yeah, you probably do. 1812 01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,040 And this is your, this is your episode. 1813 01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,480 This is why we're like, it is such a great engaging conversations. 1814 01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:16,160 I mean, for the listeners out there, they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1815 01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:20,640 But no, I mean, like it, you know, it's, it's kind of like the scatter and then you do have 1816 01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,000 everything balanced. 1817 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,560 And I do agree. 1818 01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:28,880 Like I think between COVID and everything, I didn't see my aunt nearly enough and she's 1819 01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,800 in hospital and it's like, I saw her recently. 1820 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:32,800 It was great. 1821 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,960 But it was kind of one of those things that you don't have, you know, like when, when 1822 01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,080 people live in Canberra or they live in the gong, you're like, it's so far to travel. 1823 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,160 And then suddenly you've gone, oh, I've only gone an hour today. 1824 01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,600 And then like my parents don't work in the industry and they message me going, when you 1825 01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,640 could have the time to do, I'm like, I don't have time. 1826 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,680 I will see you at this date exactly at this location. 1827 01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:54,680 And then we will just dissect. 1828 01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:55,680 Oh my goodness. 1829 01:32:55,680 --> 01:33:00,240 It's so funny because like I've experienced, like anytime someone starts dating, they're 1830 01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,960 like, oh my gosh, they just have this vibe that I'm like so spontaneous. 1831 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,520 And I'm like, I'm not spontaneous. 1832 01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:06,520 I'm not. 1833 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,840 All my spontaneity goes to this career. 1834 01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,580 It's like I get an audition, my spontaneity energy where I've just got to suddenly drop 1835 01:33:12,580 --> 01:33:14,400 everything and do this thing. 1836 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:15,400 That's the audition. 1837 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:22,280 And it's kind of like this thing where I have realized that all my spontaneity and adventure 1838 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,680 energy is in my career. 1839 01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:29,600 And it is true because that's why people think kind of have this assumption that on the weekend, 1840 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,600 because I feel like this free spirit, I will just jump on anything someone says. 1841 01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:38,400 But I'm like, wait, have we got this in our Google calendar? 1842 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,880 Is this in, do we have a date and a time and a place? 1843 01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:46,800 Because it's like scheduling for me is like how I survive because so much will be thrown 1844 01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:52,160 at me that I have not scheduled that like I have a lot of people that kind of can get 1845 01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:58,040 annoyed sometimes because like I, and it is hard because sometimes I'll want and have 1846 01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:02,760 this intention to see people, but I will catch up with a friend. 1847 01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,520 But the truth is, is that something will be thrown at me. 1848 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:13,120 And in order to like get this thing done that my manager's given me, who I've built a trust 1849 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:20,960 and a rapport with, and I'm also reliable to get my agent and my manager income as well, 1850 01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:26,800 which can be a burden that people don't understand. 1851 01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:32,520 You need to get that audition in because that's why they're investing in you. 1852 01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:37,520 I think that's also the Achilles heel that comes with the industry is like, and it does 1853 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,400 making dating hard. 1854 01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,360 It does make having friends hard. 1855 01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,000 Don't worry, we do love you all. 1856 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,000 We love you. 1857 01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:52,000 But you have to be patient with us because we can't do everything like- 1858 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,480 We don't have octopus hands. 1859 01:34:53,480 --> 01:34:54,480 No. 1860 01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:55,480 I'm just so sorry. 1861 01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:56,480 That was beautiful. 1862 01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:57,480 Who would want that? 1863 01:34:57,480 --> 01:35:02,480 Someone's out there. 1864 01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:09,560 Someone's out there just like, oh God, I'm a lover. 1865 01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:15,720 Yes, at late night 3 AM for once. 1866 01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:21,480 But I mean like, oh honestly, yeah, it's a tough life and you know, it's a man. 1867 01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:23,920 We sound like we're some sort of therapy block. 1868 01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:24,920 Oh no. 1869 01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:30,560 But yeah, I mean like, you know, that is the Achilles heel of the industry. 1870 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,160 You've got to kind of make time for it. 1871 01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,600 And you know, it's the only way you're going moving forward. 1872 01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:42,280 But you know, I've had failed relationships because they haven't worked in the industry 1873 01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,120 or you know, or they don't understand it. 1874 01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,360 They don't get it. 1875 01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,800 And failed friendships that you know, suddenly friends don't contact me because I was too 1876 01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:50,800 busy. 1877 01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,720 And it's just like, okay, cool. 1878 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:56,120 And also I do think as a creative though, it is important to know the people you need 1879 01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:02,120 to prioritize, you know, because you don't want a good relationship to fail because you 1880 01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,600 are pushing someone constantly aside. 1881 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:11,320 Like you do need to have a balance where your career doesn't gulp up all the good things 1882 01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:12,480 in your life. 1883 01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:17,280 So it is also having the balance, you know, and finding that, you know, like I've just 1884 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,560 started getting into relationship and making sure that there is time that I am prioritizing 1885 01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,640 for that, that I actually need for me as well. 1886 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:28,320 It's not just, it's not just, you know, but that's something that I need for me for my 1887 01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:34,440 well being to keep something that's important to me in my life. 1888 01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:37,080 And for me, another one is like my relationship with my mother. 1889 01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:40,200 I really enjoy my time with my mother each week. 1890 01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,760 And they're the things that are sacred to me. 1891 01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:47,360 And I call them my sacred things, which is like the things that you know, the industry 1892 01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:50,760 doesn't get to touch and it comes back to that thing of identity. 1893 01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:58,400 It's like, oh my goodness, it's a theme of as a creative, as an actor in this industry, 1894 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,120 not making it at the core of your identity so that you're kind of a slave to it. 1895 01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:03,120 Yeah. 1896 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:06,980 Also knowing how to branch out and have other things and have things that also make you 1897 01:37:06,980 --> 01:37:08,040 a whole human. 1898 01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:14,600 Because if this is all that you have your value identity focus on, what you will find 1899 01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,540 is you will be very disappointed. 1900 01:37:16,540 --> 01:37:21,840 You will also get really burnt out, really drained and you won't be fulfilled and you 1901 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:22,840 won't be happy. 1902 01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,280 And so, and I think that's where a lot of mental health issues do come in to people 1903 01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,360 in our industry and burnout and depression and hopelessness. 1904 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,840 It's, you know, we have to have bigger lives in justice industry. 1905 01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:37,200 And so it's the balance, you know, it's, you know, definitely relationships where people 1906 01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:41,560 are a bit sensitive about like maybe a time when you have to cancel on them or like for 1907 01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:47,680 me, like it's been, you know, maybe not making it to an event on the weekend. 1908 01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,880 Like sometimes it's that kind of stuff and you will lose friends, but the right people 1909 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:52,880 will stay. 1910 01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:53,880 Oh yeah. 1911 01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:54,880 Yeah. 1912 01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:55,880 And they, and they, you cherish. 1913 01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:56,880 You cherish very deeply. 1914 01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:57,880 Yeah. 1915 01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:58,880 Yeah. 1916 01:37:58,880 --> 01:37:59,880 And they don't go away. 1917 01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:00,880 It's really sweet. 1918 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:01,880 I like that. 1919 01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:06,720 But you know, I, I often say, um, I make new friends all the time and I say to them, you 1920 01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,840 know, tough shit, you're stuck with me. 1921 01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,040 Oh, that's so sweet. 1922 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,040 Tough shit. 1923 01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:13,040 You're stuck with me. 1924 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,040 Yeah, I know. 1925 01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:15,040 It's not threatening at all. 1926 01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,040 No, no, it's not. 1927 01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:17,040 It's cute. 1928 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:18,040 It's cute. 1929 01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:21,040 Um, and I think that's a perfect point to wrap this up. 1930 01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:22,040 Yeah. 1931 01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:23,040 Oh, that's so lovely. 1932 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:28,040 Can I just say though, Amy, I've enjoyed this thoroughly. 1933 01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,040 Oh, that's so lovely. 1934 01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,840 I have as well. 1935 01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,840 It's been creatively satisfying. 1936 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:36,840 Creatively satisfying. 1937 01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:42,560 So my next question for you is where can people find you and where can they stalk you on the 1938 01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:43,560 internet? 1939 01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:44,560 Oh, okay. 1940 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:55,320 If you want to stalk me, um, I guess on Instagram, Amy Hanna P. So H I M E E H A N N A H P. 1941 01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:56,320 I think that's right. 1942 01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:57,320 I'm also dyslexic. 1943 01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:58,320 So we'll see. 1944 01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:03,720 Um, but also, um, you can, and on there, um, you can look at my project Pinch. 1945 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:10,120 We have a page on Instagram, which is just Pinch Short Film. 1946 01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:13,160 It took a while for me to think about. 1947 01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,480 Um, and so follow that. 1948 01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:17,840 We're actually going to have a networking event, hopefully coming up soon. 1949 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,120 Now I have to do it. 1950 01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:21,120 I know you got to do it. 1951 01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,120 I'll definitely invite you. 1952 01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:28,280 Um, and, um, we'll, we'll screen it when it's done and, um, it'll be a fundraising event 1953 01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,520 cause you know, we're still fundraising to get into film festivals. 1954 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:31,520 Um, it's a process. 1955 01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,920 Um, but we would love your support. 1956 01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:34,920 Yeah. 1957 01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:36,840 And just a little context behind that one. 1958 01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,960 It is, I like to give people context cause it is a heavier issue. 1959 01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:40,960 It's about mental health. 1960 01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,960 It's about eating disorders. 1961 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:47,400 Um, and like, especially in youth, but I think it's a very important topic that we should 1962 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:48,840 be talking about. 1963 01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,480 So you can find me there. 1964 01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:53,680 Is that all the con I'm not going to give you my number. 1965 01:39:53,680 --> 01:40:00,280 I feel like that might be a little bit of a, it's like, I don't hand out my address. 1966 01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:01,280 Yeah. 1967 01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:05,240 I feel like, you know, I know one friend who has their address on Facebook. 1968 01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:08,400 I don't know why he does that. 1969 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,320 I have all fake things. 1970 01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,320 I work at subway on Facebook. 1971 01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:14,800 Haven't changed it since I was 13. 1972 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,600 I'm turning 76 this year. 1973 01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,600 I'm actually 89. 1974 01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,440 Ah, so good. 1975 01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:26,880 But no, thank you so much for coming on. 1976 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,880 And if you want to go and check out more episodes, you can check them out on Apple and Spotify. 1977 01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:33,240 I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later. 1978 01:40:33,240 --> 01:41:00,280 Bye.