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But I feel like openly wise, I should always ask you about like how phallic this microphone

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should look.

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It's like extremely, it's decent.

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I don't know what.

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Yeah.

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Is this as...

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If this was coming at me, I'd be like...

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Is this too big a phallic shape?

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Is this too big for your mouth?

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I'm not gonna answer that question.

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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film life, television culture, mental

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health and all of that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend Meg Clark.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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I love how also...

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But before we start, I feel like we've known...

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We've known of each other for years, since like 2018.

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But it's like, which feels like eons ago.

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I know, but I can't...

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Why?

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Why do I know you?

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I don't know.

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How?

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How do I know you?

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Leighton, Leighton, our mutual friend Leighton.

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I love that you...

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Oh, that's right.

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You were the jam thing.

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I was the jam thing.

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You were the jam.

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Oh my God, I actually fully forgot about that.

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You were like, how do we know?

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What contact do I have?

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How?

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Now I have answered all your questions.

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That's right, of course.

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Yeah, because you and I had a full on debrief about the jam.

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We did.

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And at the cafe, I was like so not in the best place at that time.

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No, you were going through shit.

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Yeah, it was an intense moment.

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Yeah, it was very, it was very hot on your sleeve kind of conversation.

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Because it was like, I'm meeting you in this kind of like casual professional environment

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and Meg's just sitting there going, well, this is me.

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This is my crappy...

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I think I didn't know what else to say.

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I was like, yeah, I'm going through a breakup.

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Anyway, cool, cool script, dude.

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Yeah.

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That's right, because you got to have a long-term relationship at the time.

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Yes, I did.

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But that's all good now.

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Yeah, no, it's years later.

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You're in a happier one now.

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So it's not like you're living that sort of dark depressing dream again.

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It was a strange time, but also I was so young.

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It's so cooked, don't you think, with COVID?

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Because I was like 24 when COVID happened.

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Now I'm 27.

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Like I actually don't know what happened in that space of time.

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Like it feels like this like suction pool and I still feel like I'm 24.

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But then I look back on that time when I had that conversation with you and I'm like, oh

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no girl, you actually have grown up so much.

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Like I was a baby then.

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Even though I feel like the same person, I was actually a baby.

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Do you feel like COVID forced you to grow up faster?

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I don't know.

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That's a hard question.

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I guess like it was pretty, I mean, fuck in hell.

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We don't really want to talk about, oh sorry.

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Yeah, yeah, you can swear.

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So go wild.

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I mean COVID schmoving.

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Like blah, blah, blah.

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happen, I reckon like a lot of things wouldn't have happened.

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the gravitas of your own life and what that kind of implements and how you can impact

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everyone around you.

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rid of the people.

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Some of the people that obviously are shitbags.

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I fully thought you were saying COVID did this great thing because it killed people.

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No, I was not.

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I just got rid of some friends.

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Like, you know, it's just a great, a great thing.

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You kind of learn about people very quickly when a pandemic happens.

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I'm talking like literally just care factor of people being like, I mean, you learn a

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lot about vaccines, but your face was like, your face like...

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just everyone went into their own space.

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going through their own pace, but I definitely think that some people came out of COVID better.

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I feel like actually something that I learned through COVID, which maybe sounds a little

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bit like rude, is that everybody was posting all the time online being like, don't worry.

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Like you can take time off.

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This is your time.

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Like, you know.

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And I totally get that.

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Like it was such a fuck up.

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Like, whoa, mental health was low.

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But weirdly for me, I would see those posts and be like, don't worry.

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You can use this time to like relax and you don't have to be creative or work.

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But for me, I think I grew up because I was like, no, like no one's coming to fucking

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save you.

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Do your work, make something happen.

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Because otherwise, like, you're just going to be sitting here doing nothing.

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And that is like, as an actor, you always are waiting for someone to give you a job.

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And now I've actually got the clarity to see like, no one's coming to save you, dude.

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No one's going to make it happen for you.

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You actually have to make it happen for yourself.

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I was like, no, no, do the opposite of that.

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Work your butt off.

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This is your chance.

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While everybody else is sleeping.

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You make a master means.

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Well, well, you, Jesus Christ is like, while you I've drugged everyone in the house, don't

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worry.

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I've made the masterpiece with their bodies.

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Like, that's what I did.

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I can tell.

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No, I agree with that entirely.

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I think, I think it's like, you know, I, I just think that the busier I was, especially

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because it gave me time to do all the things that I wanted to do.

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work and life and actual things that going on.

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a life and create the things that I love.

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And you know, set a lot of projects in motion.

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Well, totally.

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You've just done a 12 hour day of work people.

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That is crazy.

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And then I come and chat with you.

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I know.

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Honestly, I don't know how you're doing it.

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I would be like F off dude.

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Lots of sleep.

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It's like, and also coffee, coffee is my friend.

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Um, it's, it's like, I'm a slave to it, but I'm also a workaholic.

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Like would you describe yourself as a workaholic?

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Are you very good at like laying off?

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Um, I think it's hard.

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It's hard to tell because I'm a workaholic.

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Like if I'm doing work that I like, but because obviously being in the arts means you have

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to do a lot of casual work.

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I would say that makes me become very lazy because I don't really like feel passionate

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about that casual work.

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No offense guys.

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How dare you not feel casual, like casually interested in the, yeah, it makes you a bit

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like I can get a bit lazy.

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But if I'm not working on something creative, I get like, yeah, I feel very depressed.

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So I'd say I was a workaholic in that way.

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Cause you know, like predominantly you started enacting, which is, you know, and then you

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went into a bit of dabbling and directing and writing and creating.

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Um, was that COVID related?

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Yeah, it was actually.

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Um, my partner and I were just like, what kind of what I was saying before, uh, about

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not waiting around.

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We were like, well, shit man, like this COVID things happened.

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You don't know how long it's going to go for.

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Don't know what's going to happen to the industry.

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Um, let's just make our own films.

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And so that's pretty much the reason that all occurred.

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And then I read his writing and I was like, oh, this is really good.

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I think we can do something with this.

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So yeah.

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And then it's just kind of like gone on since then I'm still editing my film that I directed,

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which is challenging, but awesome.

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Is this the one I think, I think I've heard a bit about, which I think was written last

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year and then got filmed this year.

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Was it that one?

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It's called pearly gates.

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Sounds ominous.

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Yeah, it's cool.

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It's about like being a young gal, but also dealing with, uh, like domestic violence.

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So, you know, it's an interesting, but it's also kind of got like some fun elements in

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it.

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It's like quite a youthful sort of like, if it was a color, it would be the color like

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pink, I guess.

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Ooh, very, um, strange way to describe a film.

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Yeah, no, very pink, especially with domestic violence and abuse.

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Yeah, I mean totally hand in hand.

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Not the color palette I thought.

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Um, yes.

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Well, you know, keep the people on their toes.

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Um, anyway, what we can say.

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No, no, I was gonna say.

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I mean, that's extraordinary though.

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Like you know, the, the fact that that is, but you have done now two films.

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entry circuit right now.

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Um, and my one that I directed is, yeah, it's about to go into like sound color and composition.

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Do you feel like, like nervous about that for this one?

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Um, I felt really nervous when we were doing the edit.

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I was like really stressed out.

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I was like, okay, well the fuck it's not what I thought it was going to be.

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This is crazy.

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Like what I, I didn't direct this film.

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Like this isn't what I wanted, but I just realized that when you direct a scene and

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then you put it next to another scene, you go, oh my God, I didn't, I guess I didn't

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really think about it all together or I did, but it just didn't end up exactly the way

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that I thought it would, which was actually a great opportunity because we essentially

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like rejigged the whole thing and like kind of made this cool out of like, uh, the, in

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terms of timeline, we like messed with the timeline and have done a nonlinear structure.

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That's the word.

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And I think it's like upped it massively.

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So it's like, you make the film many times, you know, you film it and then you edit it

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and it's like a whole different thing.

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And then I think sound design will bring like a whole nother thing to it.

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So I'm feeling really excited now.

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Watching a film without sound design on music is very tough.

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Oh, it's tough.

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It's tough.

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Um, I think the first time I ever watched a film that like, I, you know, and even like,

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I think I directed it the first time and I was like, God, this is shit.

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You just have this horrible feeling that nothing's worked or like the first time you see any

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of the shots, like in an editing sequence put together, you're like, none of this works.

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Everything looks terrible.

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Um, but they do say that if you don't think the first edit of your film is dog shit, then

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you're a terrible director.

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So we must be so talented.

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I feel like you can have a good first edit of a film night.

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Like, you know, it's interesting as well because the longest I've ever spent editing a film

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and not, I didn't even direct this.

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It was like a year I had spent, it was 20 minutes.

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It's online.

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Um, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

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it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

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It's called overrated.

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It was directed by Joe W.

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Bridges.

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And I mean, like the process was just like a nightmare because he had moved back to Brazil

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and I was shooting high res material between Australia and Brazil and time difference.

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And then I got horrendously sick.

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So I got like the biggest flu.

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This was like 2015 got a big flu and it's now up online.

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But I think the problem was it's one of those films that you don't initially probably only

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a few drafts and I don't blame him because it's like, I, you know, like he wrote it,

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but I don't blame him entirely.

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I think, I think the concept is great.

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I just don't think the execution was good because there was a lot of things that I,

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I remember after he left, um, cause he's originally from Brazil.

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He had to go back cause his, um, uh, like his uni visa had run out, so he couldn't actually

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do anything anymore.

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And um, yeah, he basically just went, Oh, um, yeah, hello.

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I love it.

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And I, I remember it was the first time I ever learned where a director kind of didn't

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know there were gaps in their own film.

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And I was like, there's a lot of like, you've got to always look at the gaps of where information's

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missing and it's why I don't think that I like, um, like no matter how many drafts and

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how many, you know, like I think rehearsals are a key thing.

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I think like planning stuff out is a key thing because on the day even like you learn so

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much, like nothing from the time you conceive the script to the time you get to the editing

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is going to flow.

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And then I think sometimes when you rely heavily on films that, you know, they need a narrative

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structure.

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And I feel like this was a first film.

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You could clearly tell it was a very well shot film, but it was just, it lacked that

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kind of end goal of what the character wanted and what they needed.

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And I think to take a year to edit it was not that necessary.

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It was just a lot of backing of the, there the story was, it was just a lot of back and

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forth and it was so much work to edit this film that, you know, editing is one of those

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things.

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And I think it also was the first time I'd ever learned that a director doesn't know

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entirely what they're looking for when they're editing a film until it's done.

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Like they really don't know.

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And this is no criticism to any director, but if you a hundred percent tell me you a

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hundred percent know what you're after in the edit, I don't believe you like at all.

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Because I've never met a director unless they've gone, Oh, I've edited it myself and that's

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what I want.

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And then in which case you're just copying and pasting.

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Like that's a different story.

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But most times they, editor and the director kind of have an idea and then they hope that

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idea kind of rolls into what they want.

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And you're kind of stitching together a puzzle and a baby that might be a bit of a Frankenstein's

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monster halfway between.

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And then hopefully like the Mona Lisa at the end, really hope the ultimate, the ultimate.

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Yeah.

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Like, you know, you're really hoping that it will be the pinnacle of what you want,

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but it is hard, I think for directors, especially like, um, you know, just learning about the

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craft and I don't think yet, like, have you ever worked on anything and as an, especially

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as a performer and being like, read the script, the director knew 100% and then you saw it

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on screen and you like, that was what I felt like the director wanted, but it wasn't.

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Um, no.

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Like everything I did was exactly what I wanted.

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No, no.

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I mean, like, I mean, I mean, um, no, I mean, no, I've never seen it go exactly how I imagined

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it would go of what they communicated.

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But I think that's because, I mean, for me as a director, I was a bit of a control freak,

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um, as I am want to be.

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And I had such a clear plan of what I wanted in the edit.

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I had like told the editor, like I had like highlighted the sections and been like this

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bit to this.

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I've chosen everything and was like, I essentially just need you to assembly line this exactly

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how I tell you.

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As I said, control freak.

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And it was rubbish.

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So then it was like, Oh, Oh, fuck.

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Okay.

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Right.

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And I think like, what then happens is, is you realize how many options there are, like

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how many you can go so many ways you can actually, there's endless options.

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So then you get a bit overwhelmed and then you like, hopefully land on the right one.

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Yeah.

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So I feel like the work that I've seen myself in that's obvious that I think that's probably

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been their journey.

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Not dissimilar to mine, I did a film, a feature film, which is still not out yet, but anyway,

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apparently it's getting there.

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My favorite term is when features is the one I think I've seen clips of.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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God, really?

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Okay.

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Nevermind.

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We're moving swiftly on.

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But, uh, yeah, I'm doing ADR for it soon actually.

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Um, that film was so clearly like communicated to me and I had a great relationship with

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the director and it was like going, I thought that it would be like a really good result,

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but then I found out that he ended up totally messing with it in the edit and completely

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changing the whole thing and the whole structure.

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So yeah, I don't know.

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Just sometimes when you, you need to like honor the footage you get and you never really

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know what that is until you see it properly side by side, because on the day you're watching

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going, wow, this is amazing.

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And then you see it later and you're kind of like, Oh, okay.

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Um, well, you know?

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Yeah.

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I feel like, um, I feel like that didn't really make any sense.

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No, it does.

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It does.

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I mean, it does.

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It totally does.

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I think it's also whenever I've directed anything and it's the same with like when I did rehearsals

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and stuff, I really rely a lot heavily on the performance, um, as well.

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Like, you know, obviously, you know, your shots and everything and you kind of go, okay,

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well, these are what I want, but you've got a DLP there.

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You've got like, I know performance is so important.

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It's like, you've got performance and I think if you under estimate like your, you know,

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your actors or you direct it, and I feel like you could overstep as a director.

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You can be like, I need you to do like, you know, like I want you to feel like this in

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a scene, but I'm not gonna like, I'm going to watch you through it and then tweak it.

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But I think it was like, you know, some people are just like, nah, that was terrible.

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Do it again.

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Like there's, there's I think a way approaching performing and creating a scene and looking

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at how it's written and then how it translates.

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And if it doesn't translate the way work out where the miscommunication is going in,

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because you know, you hire actors or you, you know, have people in your film who want

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to be actors and, and want to perform for a particular reason.

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And that, you know, might be any particular reason, but you kind of do have to trust their

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instincts as well as your own instinct and know when something's not right and when,

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and how to communicate that that's not right.

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Because you know, I've been to some sets where people don't know and don't say anything

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or they were, you know, like I've been on sets where suddenly they've thought it's

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a comedy, but the way the actors performed it, you actually realize it's quite a nuance

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lower end comedy and told in a very drama way, but it's still a comedy, but it's not

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told through the comedy style that the director was initially thinking.

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And I've been on those kinds of sets where you look at the edit lighting, you're like,

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this isn't the tonal shift that you need to swap the tone of what you're going to do

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here.

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Like I've seen that and I don't know if that's like, um, you know, through just like trial

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and error, because I remember like when, when we were doing, um, when we ended up before

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COVID and everything shut down, I remember it specifically being on Zooms and even being

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in physical with the like Leighton and Aaron.

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And I think we ended up having so many conversations about character and just rehearsals and how

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and, and they shifted over time.

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Like every time we'd talk about it, something new would come up.

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So it's like, you do feel like you're, if you're not working with your actors, then

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you're working against your actors.

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Like how do you communicate all your kind of like mess?

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I'm going to say it's mess when you're a director, it is mess, but how do you communicate all

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your thoughts and ideas to your actors and make sure that at least they're getting what

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you are trying to aim?

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Um, well, I think like, to be honest with you, casting is so, it's just like it, right?

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Like, you know, you know, the person when you meet them being on the other side of the

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camera has made me feel so much better about jobs that I haven't gotten because I've realized

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like how unpersonal it is.

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Like some of the girls that auditioned for the short film that I did were so incredible.

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Like they were some of, they were so, such good actors, but they just like weren't the

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character.

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And so I would say firstly, like that's, that's like a mistake that a lot of people make,

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I feel.

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Like, casting is so key.

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And then I guess like mostly, I mean, it was my first time, so I definitely like made some

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mistakes and probably could have communicated things more effectively.

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I was also in producer brain because that's what I'm used to being in.

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So most of my brain was about getting through the day quick enough that we could get everything

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in the day.

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Yeah.

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So there's like two takes of every scene or every shot I should say.

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So like in next time, like I would not do that.

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I would make someone else worry about that, even though there was a wonderful first AD

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there who kept telling me to just focus on my job.

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But I was like, no, hurry, hurry up.

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What time is it?

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Anyway, so yes, taking time.

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And I guess mostly like making actors feel like super comfortable and super connected

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to each other.

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And then like, they really should do the work for you.

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And then it's just like, I don't know.

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It's really hard when you're an actor to articulate it.

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Because I feel like for me, it was just like, yeah, that was awesome what you brought.

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Like, what about this?

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Like, let's just fucking like try things and have fun because like that's how you feel

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when you're doing a good job of acting.

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And like, I was just there being like the cheerleader.

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I mean, like I'm not, I wouldn't say I was like a great example of a director.

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You know, like, I don't, I don't know.

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I feel like a lot of directors who I work with, they're like live, breathe.

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They're like, they know everything about film and like, they use these fancy words and like

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really like, you know, they're obsessed with being a director.

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Like I wouldn't say that was exactly me.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I loved it and I would love to do it again.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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It's, I feel like that's hard to articulate, which is probably how my poor actors felt

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when they were working with me.

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I think one of the most stressful things also as you know, a director is when, and you must

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get this when as an actor is when an actor goes, I thought my acting was okay.

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And you're like, did I not communicate well enough to give you the performance that you

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thought you were worthy?

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Like that's happened where like, you know, cause I feel like as performers, you know,

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and especially as being a previous performer, like it's self-deprecating.

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You don't think you're up here when you do a scene, you kind of like, Oh, you know, I've

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never met an actor who's a hundred percent proud of a scene they've done.

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They've gone, Oh, it was okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then you show it to someone who has no connection to them and is only an outsider

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in an audience going, Oh, they were great.

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Like it's so different to how like, you know, some actors see themselves and they're like,

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I was okay, you know, and like I was fine, but they love that they're in something.

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Do you get like, do you feel like that as yourself as a performer as well, that you're

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very harsh and critical of yourself?

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Uh, I feel like I, you like, I was very insecure at acting school.

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I feel like now not as much like, I think I would feel more, I always just feel like

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there's always more that you can do.

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Like there is again, a limitless amount of options to perform a role or do a scene or

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whatever, and you can always do a better job, you know, like, so I would say like, I'm always

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keen to make sure that it's, you know, fully, uh, finished, but no, I wouldn't say that

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I got like particularly insecure.

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I'm just like, want to do the job, you know, I just want to know, right.

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And like when it feels good, it feels good.

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If it doesn't feel good, like I want to do it again until it feels good, you know?

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And then like, if the director says to me like, that was great, we definitely got that.

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I'm like, okay, great.

475
00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:12,300
Let's move on.

476
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:14,940
You know, like it's like a job.

477
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:15,900
I know.

478
00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:17,340
I don't know.

479
00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:21,740
I think, I think that's the smartest way to think about it because, you know, but I do

480
00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:26,940
feel like I feel like some people are so hung up about it and then just kind of get it

481
00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:28,780
whittled into their brains about it.

482
00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:29,020
Yeah.

483
00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:34,540
And I don't know if that's just, you know, your, our own perspective of it, just going,

484
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:35,820
yeah, that was good enough.

485
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:41,020
Um, I mean, like, have you ever gone on set as an actor or as a director and something

486
00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:46,300
terribly, you know, or something's gone wrong or timing has been delayed or, you know, and

487
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:47,020
you've just gone.

488
00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:48,860
Only, only, only that.

489
00:25:50,140 --> 00:25:50,940
Every time.

490
00:25:51,580 --> 00:25:52,140
Always.

491
00:25:52,140 --> 00:25:53,580
It's always a shit shot.

492
00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:56,940
It's surprised anything's made, isn't it?

493
00:25:57,980 --> 00:25:58,620
Yeah.

494
00:25:58,620 --> 00:26:03,900
Even I actually did a film recently, which was pretty exciting, but I thought that it

495
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,660
would be like, not like that.

496
00:26:05,660 --> 00:26:09,100
And it was like, you know, it was obviously way more professional than like an indie film,

497
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:14,140
but still, you know, it was definitely things go wrong all the time, which is, I think what's

498
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:19,020
so great about making art, like it never goes to plan and you just have to go with it.

499
00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:23,100
And that's actually what's fun about producing, even though most people hate producing,

500
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:23,820
I love it.

501
00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:28,300
But it's so fun because everything goes wrong and you just like constantly trying to figure

502
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,220
out how to fix everything all the time.

503
00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:38,540
I, I recently, I really, I recently just managed to, um, the film in Bombo Quarry, which is in

504
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:45,020
Cayama and the, the funnest time was, uh, the lady, uh, the Cayama council were just like,

505
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:51,020
oh, we'll have to email the, um, uh, the Sydney water people because they own part of the land.

506
00:26:51,020 --> 00:26:56,940
And I just went and typed into Google Sydney water people emailed them directly, got answers

507
00:26:56,940 --> 00:27:00,220
quicker than the council would have gotten back to me.

508
00:27:00,220 --> 00:27:04,380
And I just sped up my, um, my time, like three weeks.

509
00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:07,980
And it was, and it was incredible because, you know, like, that's the thing of resources

510
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:11,740
that, you know, as a producer, you would think of, like most people are like, oh no,

511
00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:12,220
that's fine.

512
00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:15,420
I'll just, I'll leave the, you know, the button pushes to kind of do their work.

513
00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:19,580
And I'm like, no, no, no, I bypass everyone to get my job done so I can,

514
00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:21,820
there's so much red tape as well.

515
00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:24,620
Like there's just so much bullshit that you have to do.

516
00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:25,980
And it's like, no one cares, man.

517
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:29,260
We're just going to film some scenes in a park and like these kids can play in the background

518
00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:30,700
and like, we're not going to hurt anybody.

519
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:31,660
It's all good.

520
00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:36,060
And it's, and it's, and council's like, you know, particularly bad.

521
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:39,260
They're sitting councils are just like a nightmare.

522
00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:42,140
Um, and they're just like, and it doesn't happen often.

523
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:45,740
Like you can, you know, the thing is you could film in your back lane or you could

524
00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:47,420
film in your local park and no one would give a shit.

525
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:48,780
Like it's just common.

526
00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:51,820
They're like, just as long as you don't film me, I don't care.

527
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:56,780
But then there's always that one Karen out there just going, have you spoken to the council?

528
00:27:58,380 --> 00:27:59,260
That's so true.

529
00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:03,340
And then they get on the blower to the, they're like, there's some children in the park.

530
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:06,780
I mean, I'm still a kid.

531
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:10,940
Look, you know, you may be in your twenties, I'm in my thirties.

532
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,460
Like, let's say we're still children.

533
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:14,140
We're babies.

534
00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:15,340
We have so much to learn.

535
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:16,060
I know.

536
00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:21,900
But, um, I think, I think that's my biggest gripe as being a producer is the red tape.

537
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,460
Like it's always a constant battle.

538
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:26,140
Um, yeah.

539
00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:32,380
And some producers really, really like they will not budge on the rules, you know?

540
00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:33,180
Yeah.

541
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:37,900
And I think like what's interesting about me and my partner, Josh, who like, what's

542
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:41,420
interesting about us, fuck, what a self-revolting thing to say.

543
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:42,460
What's so good about us?

544
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:48,540
So amazing, like different and unique about us is, um, no, but because we've got no

545
00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:52,460
experience, cause we both only been actors, we kind of just blew in and we're like, yeah,

546
00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:52,780
yeah.

547
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:54,540
I mean, our first film, for example, right.

548
00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:55,820
It's set in the desert.

549
00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:57,660
It's got like six horses in it.

550
00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:04,860
It's got like 300 sheep, um, dogs, a kid, all the cooked stuff that you're not supposed

551
00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:07,180
to use, especially in your first film.

552
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:07,420
Yeah.

553
00:29:07,420 --> 00:29:09,660
But we were like, this will be easy, man.

554
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,860
And then we just like got all these people out there and it was it.

555
00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:13,820
It was crazy.

556
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:14,860
Like it was hot.

557
00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:16,700
People were like almost going to faint.

558
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:17,820
It was just fucked.

559
00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:22,460
But we got it done because I think we had no idea, you know?

560
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:25,100
And we were like, ah, screw the rules.

561
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:25,820
Yeah.

562
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:27,740
So I think there's like pros and cons to both, you know?

563
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:31,900
You did one film, it came out good and you were just like, oh shit, that was well.

564
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:32,540
Wow.

565
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:34,460
We are geniuses.

566
00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:39,820
I mean, like that's a learning, that's a fast way to learn is like to trial by fire.

567
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:40,540
Yes.

568
00:29:40,540 --> 00:29:40,860
Yes.

569
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:42,860
It was literally fire.

570
00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:43,100
Yeah.

571
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:47,420
Cause I feel like heat wave in particular and the safety, like animal control, children

572
00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:51,660
control, people control, like heat, you know, you're really fighting the elements.

573
00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:53,180
We were going, going for it.

574
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:58,060
And also like animals don't do what you tell them to do because they don't like know English.

575
00:29:58,060 --> 00:29:59,500
They don't know themselves.

576
00:30:00,140 --> 00:30:01,820
They just inhabit the planet with us.

577
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:04,140
They're just doing their thing, which was weird.

578
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:05,820
Cause we'd be like, okay, go over there now.

579
00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:07,180
And the horse would be like, nah.

580
00:30:07,820 --> 00:30:07,980
Yeah.

581
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:09,660
It would just stand there just waiting.

582
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:11,100
Yeah.

583
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,540
But it was actually amazing.

584
00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:14,860
Horses are so smart.

585
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:21,500
They are so crazy smart that eventually the horse would actually like start doing the

586
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:22,060
performance.

587
00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:25,820
Like it realized that it was doing the same routine over and over again.

588
00:30:26,380 --> 00:30:30,300
Like it was going to this edge of water and like playing in the water and it actually

589
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:31,420
started performing.

590
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:31,900
Wow.

591
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:35,740
Which was fucking incredible to watch.

592
00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:36,940
Horses are so cool.

593
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:38,940
I'm a horse girl now.

594
00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:45,420
I mean, like it is interesting because they're one of the, I think, other than dogs, particularly

595
00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:49,980
are one of the most easy animals to train and same with every birds, like owls and stuff.

596
00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:51,020
Are they?

597
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:51,340
Yeah.

598
00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:55,340
Birds aren't too difficult to train as long as they've got like a deer where they're

599
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:55,740
part.

600
00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:59,420
They do that thing where they like make them come to the arm with the little glove on it.

601
00:30:59,420 --> 00:30:59,660
Yeah.

602
00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:00,860
So they have to have a path.

603
00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:02,060
Like it's like tunnel vision.

604
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:05,340
You're basically training them to go from dot to dot and then.

605
00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:06,380
Are you a bird guy?

606
00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:07,740
Like, how do you know about this?

607
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,500
It's a lot of Harry Potter documentaries.

608
00:31:10,540 --> 00:31:11,820
There's a lot of birds in that.

609
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:14,380
That is the nerdiest response.

610
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:15,340
And I love it.

611
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:17,180
And I also love Harry Potter.

612
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:22,060
Look, I think that's the only way you can learn stuff is by watching behind the scenes

613
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:22,700
stuff.

614
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:27,100
But yeah, it's, I think I've worked with children before.

615
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,620
I've worked with children twice now.

616
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:33,020
Um, and that was both times really fun, but also hell.

617
00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:39,980
Like, I was, I once, I, I remember at the time it, I've got my working with children's

618
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:42,220
check, which is five year warranty.

619
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:44,620
He has to say that to make sure if anyone's listening.

620
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:46,380
He's worked with children and do not worry.

621
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:47,260
Do not worry.

622
00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:49,580
I have not, I'm not illegal.

623
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:56,060
Um, and, uh, yeah, it was so funny because we had to ask, do, due to the charity that

624
00:31:56,060 --> 00:32:01,500
we were working with, they specifically asked everyone to get a police check, like the

625
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:02,540
safety check.

626
00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:08,940
And, um, my wonderful, uh, gaffer at the time emailed us, um, and we didn't know him that

627
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:09,660
well at the time.

628
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:10,380
He's lovely.

629
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:14,860
And, um, Alan Frazier, he's did an amazing job, but I remember he asked it.

630
00:32:14,860 --> 00:32:19,900
He was like, Oh, is the, um, are you guys going to pay for the, like, obviously the

631
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,740
work health safety check?

632
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:24,860
And we were like, no, we can't because it covers you for five years.

633
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:26,540
So that would be a waste of our money.

634
00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:31,020
But by, by the request of the charity, you have to get it.

635
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:31,980
And he was surprised.

636
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:35,500
And it was the first time I ever heard of someone surprised that they couldn't get,

637
00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:39,180
like they had to, because it was like, I don't work with the children.

638
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:41,340
And I was like, yeah, unfortunately we have to.

639
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:43,580
And I did some research.

640
00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:45,580
I think there is a, you know, I don't think he's wrong.

641
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:48,940
I think there was a little bit of legal tight where you, you know, depending on what role

642
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:50,540
you have, but it is,

643
00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:51,580
Yeah, there is.

644
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:55,660
If you're not like directly working with the child, you don't have to,

645
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:58,860
Which is nuts to me because then it does seem a little crazy.

646
00:32:58,860 --> 00:33:04,540
It's like, if you're on, I mean, I would think it's common sense to just get one.

647
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,340
Well, yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you like what's stopping you?

648
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:10,620
You know, like if you're not getting one, like what did you do?

649
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:15,340
It's like, I think it's like, um, a hundred bucks for five years or something.

650
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:17,900
Literally it's free if you're volunteering.

651
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:18,220
Yeah.

652
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:20,460
So if you're not getting paid, it's free.

653
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:24,060
Yeah. So it's like, you know, and it has a nice little V next to it.

654
00:33:24,060 --> 00:33:28,140
If it's, if a volunteer, and then if you paid, I think it has another letter and it's just,

655
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,620
you know, it does, it has a clear indication.

656
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:31,900
It has a clear indication.

657
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:32,780
Yeah, it does.

658
00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:35,340
It makes sure you know you're not getting paid.

659
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:38,060
Make sure you know that you suck.

660
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:42,380
Go work at your casual job.

661
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:46,700
No, no one actually sucks if you're not being paid.

662
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,100
That's not, you're doing hard work.

663
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,100
Am I getting paid for this?

664
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,180
No, sorry, suck shit.

665
00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:54,860
That was a joke.

666
00:33:56,860 --> 00:34:02,060
But no, I think, I didn't realise that at the time and it is kind of nuts now because,

667
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:05,740
you know, I just see all these sort of like, and I think it's come out of the

668
00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:09,580
Me Too movement and then the child safety, you know, like, especially with American,

669
00:34:09,580 --> 00:34:13,660
you know, American child safety laws, everything of like school shootings and stuff,

670
00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:16,060
you know, which is nuts over there.

671
00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:22,140
But I think, I feel like in Australia, there should be a common legality in the film industry

672
00:34:22,140 --> 00:34:29,420
just to work on any film with children, you have to have this by like, and it's cheap.

673
00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:31,660
It's really cheap.

674
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:36,780
So I think, you know, but it's one of those things that I think going forward,

675
00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:41,980
it's something that I just will try and implement if I ever run a set is just like,

676
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:45,660
and it has children, it's just like, sorry, everyone, please get one because

677
00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:48,220
by requirements, I just don't feel safe.

678
00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:53,100
I mean, like, I understand if, you know, you have one day here and there, but I'm like,

679
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:57,020
if you're with us for the whole shoot, then please get one because it's like,

680
00:34:57,020 --> 00:34:57,340
completely separate.

681
00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:59,100
Well, we ended up just doing that.

682
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,580
Because I mean, yeah, everybody was volunteering.

683
00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:02,300
Thank you everyone.

684
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:05,820
So it was free and like may as well.

685
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:06,140
Yeah.

686
00:35:06,140 --> 00:35:08,060
Just became part of the paperwork.

687
00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:08,380
Yeah.

688
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:12,700
Because it's like, what's the, what's the weirdest thing you've had to kind of like request of people?

689
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:17,260
Uh, I think you're on the spot there.

690
00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:27,500
That's a really, I don't, I guess like going, going into the water with a horse and a camera

691
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:32,780
and like trying to get footage of a child and a horse splashing and frolicking in the water

692
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:33,260
together.

693
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:39,340
Like that was, everyone was fucking keen to be there, but that was like absurd to be a part of.

694
00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:43,420
Like it was like, what are we doing?

695
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:45,100
Luckily it was so hot.

696
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,780
So like, it was like, yay, thank God.

697
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:54,300
But I felt so bad for the camera, uh, DOP Luca, who was just like waiting with these pants on,

698
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,420
like in water, like getting all wet and holding this camera.

699
00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:00,140
But anyway, he's fucking amazing cinematographer.

700
00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:02,620
So yeah, he did a beautiful job.

701
00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:04,700
Um, yeah, I don't know.

702
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:06,060
Otherwise, gosh.

703
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:10,300
I don't, yeah, I feel like I've been asked to do more weird things than asking people to do.

704
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:10,860
Really?

705
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:12,860
What's the weirdest things you've been asked to do?

706
00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:18,300
I mean, one thing, like I was asked to like stand on a cliff and pretend that I'd fallen off a cliff,

707
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:24,940
but I was like actually on the cliff and it had like a small, it had like a small ledge

708
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:27,660
and it was like, okay, now like just like climb on this cliff.

709
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:28,460
And I was like, right.

710
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:29,900
Like if I fall off, I'll die.

711
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:31,020
Like I would have died.

712
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:31,340
Yeah.

713
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,380
And then they're like, now just quickly take your hands away and just like pretend you've fallen

714
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:36,140
but don't actually fall.

715
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:38,060
And I was like, yeah, cause I'll die.

716
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:39,420
That was pretty hecky.

717
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:42,060
And in hindsight, I wouldn't do that again.

718
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:43,740
I was young and I was eager.

719
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:45,980
Oh my God.

720
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:47,420
Yeah, that was weird.

721
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:50,220
That sounds like so many HR.

722
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:51,340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

723
00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:55,340
Needless to say, they didn't have working with children's jobs on their set.

724
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,980
I mean, like, yeah, cause you were a performer first and foremost.

725
00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:04,780
So I guess like, you know, and you started in the industry, how will you start when you

726
00:37:04,780 --> 00:37:05,740
started in the industry?

727
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:11,580
Um, I mean, like, I don't know even know how to answer that.

728
00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:14,060
I mean, like I wanted to be an actor since I was like five.

729
00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:14,620
Yeah.

730
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:16,220
It was my straight away thing.

731
00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:18,140
I performed under Milkwood.

732
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:19,340
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

733
00:37:19,340 --> 00:37:25,500
As like a six year old, which if you know that work, it's so inappropriate, but I love

734
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,500
that my mom was like, woohoo, go girl.

735
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,300
This suits you.

736
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,780
Anyway, I loved doing that.

737
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:38,380
And then I went to Newtown High, which is like performing arts and did that there.

738
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:42,780
And I like begged my mom to let me drop out of school so that she could fly me to LA and

739
00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:45,340
make me a famous, but she didn't.

740
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:49,420
She told me to finish my education and I still resent her for that slightly, but you know

741
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:51,340
what, at least she loves me.

742
00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:54,460
Another person I know did drop out of Newtown and got famous.

743
00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:57,740
So yeah, I had some regrets anyway.

744
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:01,820
Um, so yeah, I don't know.

745
00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:06,380
I just like left high school and then went to acting school and I guess like been in

746
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:08,060
the industry ever since.

747
00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:08,860
Yeah.

748
00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:10,380
Yeah.

749
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:14,940
I mean, I mean, it's hard with the Australian industry too, cause it's so small and like

750
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:16,380
so much of it is independent.

751
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:20,860
So you feel this like guilt that like, you can't really say that you're in it if you're

752
00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:22,380
not like in it.

753
00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:25,260
You know?

754
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:26,300
Yeah.

755
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:27,420
I, yeah.

756
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:31,660
So that's weird, but you know, I've gotten a few things now and I'm like, yes, I can

757
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:34,620
finally say that I'm an actor and I'm not lying because I've been paid bitch.

758
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,140
Look at my wallet.

759
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:36,940
It's not free.

760
00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:38,860
I'm not a laborer anymore.

761
00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:40,140
It's not my hobby.

762
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:40,640
Okay.

763
00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:47,020
It was like the first time I ever got paid for anything that was like not like my full

764
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:47,580
time job.

765
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:49,660
And I was like, I know.

766
00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:50,220
Yes.

767
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:50,940
Look at this.

768
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:53,900
I'm a legit.

769
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,060
I'm a legit.

770
00:38:56,060 --> 00:39:05,180
But I mean like, yeah, I agree with you about the imposter syndrome because you know, like

771
00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:11,660
what makes me, you know, what gives me the authority as a 30 year old who has had, you

772
00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:16,380
know, some experience to tell other people of how much experience they should have by

773
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:17,100
at any point.

774
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,540
I think that our industry is particularly bizarre in that aspect because there is no

775
00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:24,300
right or wrong way to go about it.

776
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:25,900
There's just a way.

777
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:32,380
Like I feel like I didn't, I, I, I thank COVID actually for helping boost my career,

778
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:36,060
which I think before COVID I was saying to someone, I didn't have much of a career.

779
00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:41,180
I felt like I was really just kind of there and I was doing my full time work and the

780
00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:42,860
outside was just pittering.

781
00:39:42,860 --> 00:39:44,460
It was just kind of like occasionally.

782
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:49,340
And if I wasn't making something myself and you know, then I had nothing to prove that

783
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:53,980
I was worth the, you know, the, um, you know, efforts of other people.

784
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:56,060
So whereas now it's completely opposite.

785
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:56,700
It's just gone.

786
00:39:56,700 --> 00:40:00,780
Oh, everyone kind of wants to do something with you rather than other way around.

787
00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:01,100
Yeah.

788
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:01,420
Yeah.

789
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:03,180
Well, that's good.

790
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:03,420
Yeah.

791
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:04,860
What's so good?

792
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:05,100
Yeah.

793
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:09,980
I mean like, but did like, do you feel like that now you're, you know, you're kind of

794
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:15,340
just very busy, um, doing, doing the stuff that you wanted to do for years versus like

795
00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:20,620
stuff that you kind of just felt like you were kind of jumping from opportunity to

796
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:22,300
opportunity to opportunity.

797
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:23,660
Um, I don't know.

798
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:29,100
I'd say like a bit of both, like, you know, I'm not like, yeah, it's not like I'm like

799
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,700
full time employed on a TV show or whatever, which is what I would love to do.

800
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:33,260
Yeah.

801
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:39,820
Um, but I feel, I just feel like, yeah, I've done more and it's just kind of like chugging

802
00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:47,020
along and it just feels like more of a, it feels like I was having severe existential

803
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:51,020
crisis about the fact that I should probably just quit and go to law school because I would

804
00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:54,460
never be able to financially sustain this life.

805
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:58,780
And then that's sort of changed now.

806
00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:02,220
And I kind of see how like you can make it work.

807
00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:03,180
Yeah.

808
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:07,580
But it's tough, like fuck, you know, like it's so inconsistent.

809
00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:11,340
You can literally be like doing a TV show one day and then the next day you're working

810
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:11,820
at cafes.

811
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:13,180
Like I have friends that do that.

812
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:15,980
So it's a constant like up, down, up, down.

813
00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:20,860
And I feel like you always will have to struggle, you know, balance with the casual job or in

814
00:41:20,860 --> 00:41:22,860
an ideal world, you get a casual job.

815
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:24,860
That's like in your field of interest.

816
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:28,380
I would like to get more into like production.

817
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:30,780
I did some, I was a runner on the voice.

818
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:33,980
Actually, I was the coach's personal runner.

819
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:36,300
So I was hanging out with those guys.

820
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:37,900
That's pretty cool.

821
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:38,380
Yeah.

822
00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:38,860
Yeah.

823
00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:39,580
Yeah.

824
00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:44,620
But anyway, that was like a fun job because it felt like I wasn't like, oh, damn, it was

825
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:45,820
really interesting to see.

826
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:52,780
And like, you know, I was involved with like, I guess like like-minded people and because

827
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:58,540
it was in reality TV as opposed to film, I didn't feel like I was the shit runner that

828
00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:03,180
no one will ever take seriously because like, I don't want to work with the voice director.

829
00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:06,220
I mean, unless they're writing a great film and then I would love to work with

830
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:06,720
you.

831
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:09,580
I mean, I don't think the voice director is writing a great-

832
00:42:09,580 --> 00:42:10,940
I don't even know if there is a director.

833
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:12,860
I think there is.

834
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:13,900
I think it's just kind of like-

835
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:15,660
Yeah, there probably would be actually.

836
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:21,100
Yeah, it would be like, with live things, it's not like, it's such a weird thing because

837
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:24,540
I've worked a lot in live television and it's not like a director per se.

838
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:29,660
It's like a vision switcher slash director slash your controlling.

839
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:36,060
But realistically, the EPs and the creative content and you're lining up for the brand.

840
00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:40,940
So realistically, that's who actually controls the content and how the work show flows.

841
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:45,340
The director is there just to, you know, help guide all the technical stuff, really.

842
00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:46,220
I, yes.

843
00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:47,580
Like the lights and everything.

844
00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:52,460
It's really not like they're not sitting there or going, so line B should be this.

845
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:53,500
No, no.

846
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:59,100
I thought it was going to be like that, but like that show is like fully real.

847
00:42:59,100 --> 00:42:59,740
Yeah.

848
00:42:59,740 --> 00:43:01,580
It's like fully reality TV.

849
00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:02,620
I was so impressed.

850
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:03,900
It's big.

851
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,660
It's fully like, it's real.

852
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:09,660
Like what you see is like actually what happens, which was crazy.

853
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:15,100
I mean, it is one of the most real live reality.

854
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:18,540
Like they don't, it's one, it's continuous as well.

855
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:22,060
It doesn't really stop, start like most reality shows where there's a little bit of a break.

856
00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:23,180
They work so hard.

857
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:24,620
It goes for so long.

858
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:26,460
It's like fucking hard work.

859
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:26,960
Yeah.

860
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,360
How, why did we start talking about that?

861
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,440
I don't know.

862
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,120
You asked me something about my career and I was like, oh God, I don't know how to answer that.

863
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,480
But yes, anyway, career, it's hard, I guess, like to be a real wanker about it.

864
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,440
You're either like an artist or you're not.

865
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,720
And if you're like an artist, like fuck yeah, like you're an artist and that doesn't matter

866
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,760
if you work at a bar, you can still be an artist and work at a bar.

867
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:50,480
You know?

868
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Yeah.

869
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:51,840
I like that.

870
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,240
I mean, don't stop being a true artist.

871
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:01,680
I mean, like, so let's, let's take you back to though, like, you know, starting out in

872
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,960
the industry and everything.

873
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:08,880
Like, do you think that was particularly difficult for you starting out in this industry

874
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,160
in, especially in performing?

875
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,960
I feel like I've never really struggled with like the actual performing,

876
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,600
but when I left acting school, I was so insecure and like acting school, you know, it,

877
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,800
it's amazing, but it can certainly highlight some insecurities.

878
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,160
So I left that pretty fragile.

879
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:38,240
And I think the hardest thing is like the, um, the networking and just like the,

880
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,840
the dealing with the industry, like being an adult, you know, I kind of was like,

881
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,560
okay, I'll just like pop along to some auditions and it'll be awesome.

882
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,120
And it's like, no, no, this is like a full blown adult world.

883
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,720
You have to like, you know, be really like in it, but also be really free and playful

884
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,720
and like be able to just perform all the time.

885
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:57,200
You know what I mean?

886
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,000
Like it's a weird, like, you have the three personas, you know, you've got your like private

887
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,200
persona, your actor persona, and then you've got like your business persona and you kind

888
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,000
of have to juggle that, which took me a long time to learn.

889
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:08,560
Yeah.

890
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,440
I'd say my first two years out of acting school were a bit of a mess.

891
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,960
I was like, what the fuck is happening?

892
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,400
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

893
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,160
But I did a lot of plays and that was good.

894
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,160
I mean, I would say predominantly I'm more of a theater performer.

895
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,360
I don't necessarily want to be, but I would say that was mostly my thing.

896
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,120
So yeah, I don't know.

897
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,160
I guess it's hard.

898
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,880
Yeah.

899
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,520
It's also a small industry in Australia and globally.

900
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,360
Like, it's, you know, it's not like there's a million jobs coming out.

901
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Like there are a million actors who are talented and there's like not that much work.

902
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Yeah.

903
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:47,280
I like, do you feel like, you know, especially as a female performer, do you feel like you

904
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,920
were ever kind of exploited in any way?

905
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:01,440
I have had a very bad experience in regards to that, but I wouldn't really know how to

906
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,080
talk about that without defaming myself.

907
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,680
Oh, defaming yourself.

908
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,520
Or whatever the word is.

909
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,280
Do you mean?

910
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,760
Yes.

911
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,920
That's really ominous.

912
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,280
I've had some, yeah.

913
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,360
Was that just particularly one situation?

914
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,320
One particular situation, which was very unfortunate and makes me very cross.

915
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,760
But otherwise, like, no, not really.

916
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:36,400
I mean, like sexism is just like a general thing in one's life that one just always has

917
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,520
as a thing.

918
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,200
Which is bizarre.

919
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,800
So it's kind of weird to highlight it in acting.

920
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Like obviously it's there more, I think certainly it's changed like in my time.

921
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,400
I think, you know, when I was at acting school, like some shit was being said that

922
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,400
definitely wouldn't be able to be said now.

923
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,640
But I think everybody's improving a lot on that front.

924
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,560
So yeah, I don't know.

925
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,760
That's a hard question.

926
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,800
I mean, obviously yes, but also it just, that just feels so obvious.

927
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,440
Like I wouldn't know how to articulate the ways in which.

928
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,120
No, and I totally get that.

929
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,720
And I totally respect that.

930
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:22,400
I think, especially just in terms of, you know, because it's, you know, we live in,

931
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,640
we live in such progressive time, especially with like movements like Me Too, which only

932
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,080
came out in the last two years.

933
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,920
And then Cancel Culture has kind of like taken a big step forward.

934
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,720
You know, and probably not like I often say, not in the positive light.

935
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,040
I feel like those two movements kind of happened to create some positives.

936
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,320
And a lot of negatives.

937
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,960
It's like feminism, I think is, you know, the feminist movement, great movement,

938
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,000
created a lot of like wrong turns along the way as well.

939
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,480
And then there's just, you know, I feel like it's the same problem I have with like

940
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:04,080
male movements, everything, it just being about like this perspective of ignoring the other party.

941
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,760
And it's like, we've got to find a mid ground.

942
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:06,640
We've always got to find it.

943
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,840
And I feel like when we had the Cancel Culture movement, particularly, everyone was going

944
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:18,480
up, you can't say anything without like the internet ripping you just shreds.

945
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,080
And the same with the Me Too movement.

946
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,200
I think there was like, there was an interview with Morgan, like Morgan Freeman had said

947
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,080
something or like hadn't said something, but someone was trying to defame him and say,

948
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,320
you know, you touch someone inappropriately.

949
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,880
And Morgan Freeman was like, there is no evidence to this and don't, you know, unless you actually

950
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,240
have evidence, don't try and defame someone.

951
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,760
Because I guess this is why it's difficult though, because like, you know, it's actually

952
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,600
like hard to get evidence of that.

953
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,320
Right?

954
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,640
So it's like, you got to have witnesses and everything.

955
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,320
What, what, what else do you do?

956
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,160
I think that's why these movements have come about because there isn't like any like hardcore

957
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,200
evidence because of the culture that we've been living in.

958
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,480
It took for people to go, you know, fuck this, I've had enough and like, I'm just going to

959
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,840
rally behind believing this person and being like, if you said that happened, it happened

960
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:08,320
man.

961
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,080
And we're just all going to like go with you on that, which of course, you know, and in

962
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,360
like a super philosophical, idealistic world, you don't just believe someone because you

963
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,800
agree with them politically.

964
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:19,360
Sure.

965
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,840
But I feel like it's like a natural, it's like a necessary progression to get to, you

966
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,400
know, a place where people are more equal and like that shit stuff doesn't happen and

967
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,840
it's got more of a no-no.

968
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Like people should be afraid to do things now because it's fucked up.

969
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:36,400
Yeah.

970
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,760
And I, and I really noticed it as a generational thing as well.

971
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Like, you know, particularly, you know, it, and it can be a small generational gap, but

972
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:52,160
you know, things like, um, you know, I remember that film, um, that Sia did.

973
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:53,360
Prime example.

974
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,200
Oh yeah, dude.

975
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,640
That was cooked.

976
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,680
What was she thinking?

977
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,360
But some people I've met, I know personally don't see the issue with that.

978
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,200
But it was so bad.

979
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,520
You can't even justify it by being good.

980
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Like one, it was problematic.

981
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,160
Two, it was shit.

982
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,880
Like, that's hard.

983
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,520
Like fuck, you know, like if it was really like, wow, that was a stunning piece of art.

984
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,960
You could be like, okay.

985
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,280
I'll let you off the hook with this one.

986
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Yeah.

987
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,560
But the combo is like, no, I'm sorry.

988
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,440
Unforgivable.

989
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:25,920
I know.

990
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,400
And it's like, I just really tainted me.

991
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,120
I mean, great musicians.

992
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,480
Oh, great musician.

993
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,840
Lover songs, but please never direct again.

994
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Like, yeah, but, um, that was not a choice you should have ever made and or justified.

995
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,880
Have you ever listened to, um, Josh Epps?

996
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,200
I feel like you would like him.

997
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:49,920
Yeah, it rings a bell.

998
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:56,480
He's an ABC guy and he's like, he, he does a great interview with Stan, Stan, Stan,

999
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,280
Stan Grant.

1000
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Stan Grant.

1001
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,520
Stan Grant.

1002
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,040
That's why I did it.

1003
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,280
Cause Grant, you know, um, anyway.

1004
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Like you Grant.

1005
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:04,560
Yeah, yeah.

1006
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,560
But you gotta make Stan Grant.

1007
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,680
Um, but yeah, anyway, he does like really good interviews with people and he's like

1008
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,880
very left wing, but he always comes at it from a place of like truth and like, I guess

1009
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,200
like really good faith arguing.

1010
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Yeah.

1011
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,360
So arguing with people knowing that you still respect each other and you're going to be

1012
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:30,000
able to like discuss ideas without getting, um, you know, overly emotional about it, I

1013
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,520
guess, or putting a foot wrong.

1014
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,400
Like no one's going to get in trouble for whatever they say here.

1015
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,840
So it's an interesting part.

1016
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,120
I feel like you would enjoy it.

1017
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Okay.

1018
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,320
I should check it out.

1019
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,840
Cause that sounds right up my alley.

1020
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,960
I feel like yes, from hearing what you've said, I feel like you would.

1021
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,800
Look, I am very politically charged in a good way, but I mean, like, look, I, I'm

1022
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,840
always up for more listening, listening to my earbuds.

1023
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,760
Um, but I mean, like, you know, I agree with that.

1024
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,920
Like there's always a, there's always a mid-ground.

1025
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:03,680
I think it's important to remind myself of that and, and people, especially that, you

1026
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,480
know, everyone has a reason, you know, like people who are in their seventies think that

1027
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,280
you didn't blackface or something was justifiable and still think that's okay to do day.

1028
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,480
And you know, you're not going to be like, well, you know, I feel like calling

1029
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,960
everyone an archaic dinosaur is not the best response as well.

1030
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,200
It's kind of like, okay, well, while you think that that's okay, it's not okay.

1031
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,520
And that doesn't make you a dinosaur.

1032
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,240
It just kind of that opinion isn't what people think now.

1033
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:40,240
And you can't then call people sensitive or too sensitive because they don't like that.

1034
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,720
There's kind of like both parties need to find that mid-ground to kind of just be like,

1035
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:45,920
okay, well, you know what?

1036
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:46,960
Shut up.

1037
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:53,280
But I mean, like there is also the same thing, you know, like, you know, domestic violence and,

1038
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,720
you know, sexual abuse or anything like that.

1039
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,800
And especially like, you know, culture towards women on set or anyone, you know, like,

1040
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,680
God, hell, the queer community, like there's just like this whole, you know, like anything on set,

1041
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:13,840
whether, you know, you encounter any of that on set, it's funny how people don't find always

1042
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,040
the mid-ground and they, or they try and justify situations.

1043
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:22,240
Like it wasn't that long ago in, in our own political government, when they tried to cover up

1044
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,400
a like sexual assault in the government by sweeping, vacuuming.

1045
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,800
Well, yeah, that was literally the fucking other day.

1046
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,360
Yeah, it was like vacuuming.

1047
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,240
And it's probably still happening to be honest.

1048
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,560
Like, Christ, that was appalling.

1049
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,240
Also, oh my God, on that, have you seen the video of Scott Morrison that came out today?

1050
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,240
Oh, what, the one where he's at the church going?

1051
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:48,080
Yeah, being like, and of course we all don't believe in the United Nations.

1052
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,200
And then the whole audience is like, yeah, the fucking United Nations won't lose.

1053
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:52,720
What a joke.

1054
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,720
What guys?

1055
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,480
I know.

1056
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,640
It was the prime minister like, that's, wow.

1057
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,120
I know.

1058
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,600
He literally said, I don't believe in governments, you know, their shit and like, they don't work.

1059
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,360
And like, trust me, I've been in one.

1060
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,280
Like that guy was in charge.

1061
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,480
That's so funny. And also so, so.

1062
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:17,840
But you know, this is the thing, like when we had Trump, we had Scott Morrison and we

1063
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,760
had Boris Johnson and then we have none of them.

1064
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,160
Oh, they're out.

1065
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,660
Bye.

1066
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,280
And I mean, like, you know, it's funny because the biggest criticism we get at the moment,

1067
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,960
which is like, you know, that I hear some people go, oh, Anthony Albanese is in Australia, come

1068
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,800
enough, but I'm like, he's fixing half the world's problems at the moment.

1069
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,680
He's not what?

1070
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,360
He's not in Australia.

1071
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,280
I thought you said he's not Australian.

1072
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,000
No, he is.

1073
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,360
I was like, oh, oh wow.

1074
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,240
Okay. We're really going into, I think we're going to have to terminate here.

1075
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,360
No, definitely not saying that at all.

1076
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,560
Jesus Christ.

1077
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,960
That would have been chaotic.

1078
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,920
Anyway, that would have been a very interesting conversation.

1079
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,520
I wouldn't have known what to do.

1080
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,560
I was like, oh God, Meg, you made a terrible decision.

1081
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,480
Quickly throw the water on the podcast machine.

1082
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,720
Go, go, go, run, run, run.

1083
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:09,360
Distract him.

1084
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,280
But no, in all seriousness, he, like the biggest criticism I heard recently of the

1085
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,960
current government with Anthony Albanese was he was not in the country long enough.

1086
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,000
He is away a lot.

1087
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,960
He is away a lot.

1088
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,880
And currently he is fixing everything Morrison undid.

1089
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,840
Well, yeah, exactly.

1090
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Because we have so many international political issues and to put trust in other countries

1091
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,280
and create trading better.

1092
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,880
Like it's, you know, we are a country that is unfortunately an island.

1093
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,760
We cannot be independent of anything else.

1094
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,600
We are an island on the other side of the world where there aren't that many, like,

1095
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,000
you know, the biggest continents are in the Northern Temehsir.

1096
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,800
And then we have small tiny continents in the Southern ones.

1097
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,000
We are like a small country.

1098
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,960
And I feel like when people look at that from a global perspective,

1099
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,800
that's, you know, he's doing the right thing.

1100
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,480
But I think it's not saying everyone in Australia is very narrow minded,

1101
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,360
but we do live in a very like liberal orientated country in parts.

1102
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,120
And I feel like liberal thinking or liberal government,

1103
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,600
liberal government, like bad liberal or good liberal.

1104
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,920
The bad liberal.

1105
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,400
I love that there's a, isn't that the stupidest thing of the, like how we describe,

1106
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,760
are you a liberal thinker?

1107
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,320
Yes.

1108
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,920
Are you with the liberal government?

1109
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,560
No.

1110
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,360
Then why are you a liberal?

1111
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,640
Why did they name?

1112
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,120
Why?

1113
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,800
That's honestly plagued me.

1114
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,520
It's so confusing when you're speaking to people from overseas and you're like,

1115
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,440
you know, the liberals and they're like, great.

1116
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,800
And you're like, no, bad, bad.

1117
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,880
But anyway, oh, God damn it.

1118
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,680
And also like, you know, I mean, I think they're bad, but whatever.

1119
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:42,960
I think they're terrible.

1120
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,400
It's like, I've always said, don't, you know, and, and it's, you know,

1121
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,440
the rule one on one when you're at any workplace, don't bring politics in with you.

1122
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,840
Don't bring, you know, your, your bad energy with you.

1123
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,760
Like if you've had a bad day, chat to your friends about it and chat to your coworkers,

1124
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,440
but don't bring your whole negative energy in, you know, try and compartmentalize and

1125
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,680
make sure you're not bringing everyone else down.

1126
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,800
But I w I've worked many years with people going, nah, the liberal,

1127
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,040
the liberal government's great and labor's shit.

1128
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,080
And I'm like, sitting there as a green or labor voter and be like,

1129
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:22,960
Yeah.

1130
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,080
I think that's a very Australian thing to be like, don't never discuss politics.

1131
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:34,480
You know, it's a very sort of like, it's a very sort of, it's a conservative thing to

1132
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,280
say, I guess.

1133
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Like I, I feel like that's kind of what is good about the times of now.

1134
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,800
Well, it was very philosophical.

1135
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,160
The times of now.

1136
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,000
Is that everybody is discussing politics, you know, more and

1137
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,120
more uncomfortably.

1138
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,760
And I think that's really cool and important.

1139
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,160
Cause also, you know, your politics don't have to define your whole personality.

1140
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:00,400
No.

1141
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,000
Often they do, but they don't have to.

1142
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,240
No.

1143
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,920
And I, and I feel like it's interesting cause like, you know, I sat down with Emily the other

1144
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:18,000
day and she raised this with me and it's like when I'm on set and sometimes to negate politics,

1145
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,200
like if someone's an asshole, I'll say, don't be an asshole.

1146
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,440
Like that's my rule 101.

1147
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,080
But if someone's just has an opinion about something, I'm going to try and just be like,

1148
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:33,680
you know what, just going to try and skirt around this because that is, you know, unless

1149
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,440
they're like, oh, I hate, you know, an ethnic group or something and be like, okay, well,

1150
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,640
you're an awful human being or, you know, um, I think, you know, um, violence is funny.

1151
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,160
Like, nah, get the fuck away.

1152
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,160
You know, just go away.

1153
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,560
Um, but you know, like anything like that.

1154
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,040
But I feel like in terms of people's just having opinions about stuff that I don't

1155
00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:00,320
necessarily agree with and I'm like, okay, well I, you know, either disagree or just

1156
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,120
strongly disagree.

1157
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,400
I'm also going to be like, okay, well what's the most diplomatic way to not kind of start

1158
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,280
an argument or what's the most diplomatic way I can change your mind.

1159
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,000
Yeah.

1160
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,480
It's not by like necessarily yelling at you.

1161
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,560
It's about having a conversation with you, but I think you have like certain people have

1162
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,840
limits to how much they can withstand and should be able to withstand.

1163
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:27,680
Like if there's some guy being really sexist, like TBH, like I CBF with you and I'm not,

1164
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,840
oh my God, I sound like a teenage girl.

1165
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,960
TBH, I CBF with you and I'm fucking talking to you about that right now.

1166
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,680
But you know, it's exhausting.

1167
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,120
Like I don't want to have another conversation with a misogynist about why they're being

1168
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,200
in misogynist and it makes you feel uncomfortable.

1169
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,600
And you always just feel like the dumb girl in the room.

1170
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,320
Yeah.

1171
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,760
Hence me saying TBH, you know, TBH.

1172
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,680
TBH, you're being sexist.

1173
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,840
But I mean, like, you know, I a hundred percent agree with that.

1174
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,960
And I think it's kind of reconvincing.

1175
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,520
I mean, like there are some people I could never convince otherwise because it, you know,

1176
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,640
it's so deeply ingrained in their like essence that you're like, okay, only if I strapped

1177
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:12,080
you down and did like the, um, you know, clockwork orange kind of situation and showed you flashing

1178
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,960
images, would I be able to get you out of this state of mind?

1179
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,120
But I can't, do you want to know a secret?

1180
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:17,920
Yeah.

1181
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,440
Even though it's my secret.

1182
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,280
So I've never seen clockwork orange.

1183
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:21,680
Really?

1184
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,680
Or read the book, but I fully say I have when people ask.

1185
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,680
Um, that is so interesting.

1186
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:30,800
Yeah.

1187
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,000
I mean, like, I'm too scared.

1188
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,200
It sounds really scary.

1189
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,280
It's, it's, it's intense.

1190
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:43,440
I feel like it's more intense, especially for people who have ever been in like those

1191
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:49,200
kinds of situations, like, um, I definitely know that, um, when I watched films with Emily,

1192
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:54,000
she doesn't like anything in terms of like the domestic violence against women or anything

1193
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,240
like that, unless it's like actually just the aftermath or something's happened and

1194
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,960
you kind of see the ripple effects, but she does not like watching, you know, like we sit

1195
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,640
there sometimes and she goes, why are always the women, the one in danger?

1196
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,240
Like, why is this always happening?

1197
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:08,960
So boring.

1198
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:16,080
And I, you know, sit there and just go this, you know, I feel sorry for you, but at the

1199
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,280
same time, I've never had that perspective where I can't walk down the street and feel

1200
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,160
safe.

1201
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,920
Um, and you know, obviously she has had that her entire life where it's like, you know,

1202
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,160
walk down the street and, you know, hope that someone doesn't.

1203
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,400
Kidnap her or throw in a car.

1204
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,360
And, you know, this is a difficult thing about politics because you really can't

1205
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,280
understand what someone else goes through who isn't like you.

1206
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,840
So you can have an opinion about what should happen or how they should talk about it or

1207
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:48,000
you know, what should change politically or how much they should be screaming or not.

1208
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,400
But really like you will never be able to know that.

1209
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,400
So it's kind of like, uh, like maybe don't, maybe like that's not your moment.

1210
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,880
But also like, I don't know, this is too complex.

1211
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:01,280
Move on.

1212
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,360
You're like, and done.

1213
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,440
I'm being political as I said earlier.

1214
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,280
No, I agree.

1215
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,440
I agree wholeheartedly with the move on.

1216
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,480
I am Anthony Albany.

1217
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,760
Um, but no, I, I do agree that you cannot, and I, and I feel like that's the,

1218
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,080
but you can try, you can try and empathize.

1219
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,600
And when someone is telling, this is the comes back to the believing someone.

1220
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:27,920
Yeah.

1221
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,480
When someone tells you something and you trust them as a person, you know, believe

1222
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,680
them like it's so annoying.

1223
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,000
I do find like a lot of times as a woman, I'll say things and you really have to

1224
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:44,720
prove that you're actually have been oppressed because of your gender.

1225
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:45,440
Yeah.

1226
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,280
And you have to like prove it.

1227
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,680
And it's like, dude, oh, it's so frustrating.

1228
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,440
Like it's like, dude, just believe me.

1229
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:51,680
Yeah.

1230
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:52,640
Believe me.

1231
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,920
It's, it's kind of also very baffling because I feel like it, it happens.

1232
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,800
So subjectively as well, because, you know, we, we walk in this society where

1233
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,160
it's like, okay, well women automatically have to have long hair.

1234
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,160
Do they, you know, Oh, and if they have short hair, they must be gay.

1235
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,960
Are they like, yeah, of course.

1236
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,440
It's just the societal rule.

1237
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,640
No, I, I, I signed this thing at birth.

1238
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,960
I couldn't even spell my own name, but that's kind of like, I

1239
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,160
society rules.

1240
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:22,400
Yeah.

1241
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,840
Um, it makes things simpler.

1242
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,280
Yeah.

1243
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,760
But I mean, like, you know, I think, you know, most of my friends as well, I

1244
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,960
would describe as very like, you do just, I, I, I, until, you know, most of my

1245
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,480
female friends I grew up with, I had a lot of female friends growing up.

1246
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,480
I had about all my, in fact, I had only one male friend, probably in my entire

1247
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,120
group.

1248
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,000
It was just me, him and the rest were girls.

1249
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,920
So it was like, I grew up in that surrounding.

1250
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,680
So whenever I see people go, Oh, the girls don't act the way I, it's

1251
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,920
like, what way should you act?

1252
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,600
What way should anyone act?

1253
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,360
But I feel like we have this really society.

1254
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,560
It's like when I stand next to people and they talk to me about cars or sport

1255
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,880
and I have no interest, I'm sorry.

1256
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,760
I fucking hate both those things, but they're like, Oh, why don't you like

1257
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:12,160
these things?

1258
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,120
And I'm like, because they're not that interesting to me, but they find it

1259
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,840
baffling that that is not an interest.

1260
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:24,080
And it's like, why should it be like, um, but yeah, it's, we are so ingrained in

1261
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,920
our structure and society.

1262
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:31,760
Like, you know, you could be like, Oh, um, you know, I, I decided to wear, you

1263
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,320
know, like baggy t-shirt and jeans, um, jeans today, but everyone was like, Oh,

1264
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,280
I should wear a dress.

1265
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,000
And I was like, why?

1266
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:39,040
Why?

1267
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,480
Like, do you feel like that even now in your mid twenties, where you kind of like

1268
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,240
people still kind of look at you and go, Oh, you should dress differently.

1269
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:47,680
Or do you get those throwaway comments?

1270
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,480
I mean, I feel like it's just not as overt as that.

1271
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,160
Hey, like, not really.

1272
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,080
But then again, my circles are pretty.

1273
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,680
Like I live in a bit of a bubble, like my parents, both artists, grew up in

1274
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,520
like a very artistic left leaning household.

1275
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,440
It's a very unstable house.

1276
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,040
That is crazy.

1277
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,680
Um, and like, I went to new town high.

1278
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:11,920
Yeah.

1279
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,400
Um, I met my first racist in Queensland and that was like a big experience for me.

1280
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:18,960
I was like, wow.

1281
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,040
I was fully shocked that people said what they said, which is kind of stupid.

1282
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,200
But I did kind of grow up in a little bubble.

1283
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,920
I guess I hadn't really thought about it before.

1284
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,120
So that really opened my mind.

1285
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,800
Um, and now I just hang out with like artists.

1286
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,360
So I guess like nothing's as overt as that.

1287
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,680
It's much more like intricate and complicated.

1288
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,560
And yeah, like I don't, I mostly wear baggy clothes.

1289
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:44,800
Yeah.

1290
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,080
I think no one really has ever commented on that.

1291
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,360
That's, I mean, that's fair.

1292
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,120
I mean, it's, it's, I think I've only ever hung out with artists.

1293
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:59,680
And I remember like, um, I had this thing, I painted my nails, like the first time I

1294
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:05,760
ever painted my nails and I got very terrified the first time, cause I went to a gym, which

1295
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,120
was particularly very like macho man, male orientated.

1296
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,800
And I remember thinking, dear God, I'm going to get ripped to shreds.

1297
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,360
So I kind of at the time, and I regretted entirely.

1298
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,640
Well, fully like that actually could happen.

1299
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,120
I know it's nuts, but I mean, like, you know, I remember going to the gym and just like,

1300
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,160
no, my flatmate did it.

1301
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,520
And, you know, and she, you know, she helped me, but it was like one of those things where

1302
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:31,600
it was like, oh, no, she dared me to do it just to get around the fact that I was like,

1303
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:36,960
I kind of, I wanted this and I didn't mind, but yeah, that was so interesting that I feel

1304
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:43,520
like, you know, until now it's, and even at work, man, you know, like some days at work,

1305
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:50,320
you've just got to like, I work predominantly with very white straight men who have very

1306
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,640
particular ways of living.

1307
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,760
I am not that.

1308
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,720
And I feel like that's my biggest hurdle is, you know, just going to society.

1309
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:05,600
This is representation of, um, as straight as I can go and as not, you know, any type

1310
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,280
of queer or, you know, artsy and just be very neutral.

1311
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,720
But I guess in that saying, it's not my true self.

1312
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:19,920
Like there's always like, as you say, your real self, your self and your like business

1313
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:20,320
self.

1314
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,600
And it's just like, how do you.

1315
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,200
Well, I think also like humans, we're, we're really like, want to fit into a group of people.

1316
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,920
So naturally, like when we're in a room full of people all agreeing on something out, we,

1317
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:38,400
we don't want to be the, you know, one that's left out and it's really hard to be that person.

1318
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:39,120
Yeah.

1319
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,360
I don't know many people like that.

1320
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,920
I know like, I can literally think of two people off the top of my head who actually just like,

1321
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,240
won't change their mind or change what they say when they're in a group of people who

1322
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:50,960
think differently.

1323
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,160
But most people, like, I mean, that's terrible.

1324
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,480
I shouldn't like all my friends are literally iconic, but I feel like everybody to a small

1325
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,640
degree, it's not like they'll be like, Hey, like we hate women.

1326
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,760
And then, you know, my male friend will be like, yeah, me too, dude.

1327
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,560
But I mean, some,

1328
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,480
that would have been amazing segue.

1329
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,080
All my friends are like that.

1330
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,760
No, they would all be like, no, that's fucked.

1331
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:16,080
Yeah.

1332
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,120
But I don't, I mean, that's way too specific.

1333
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,080
You know what I'm trying to say?

1334
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:27,200
It's hard to be really like constantly entirely yourself all the time, unapologetically, never

1335
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,040
bending to like make other people feel more comfortable because that is what empathy is,

1336
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:31,440
right?

1337
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:34,800
Like you're always trying to make, I mean, I feel like I'm always trying to make other

1338
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,800
people feel like, Oh, it's all good. Like this is all good.

1339
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,080
I mean, like we agree.

1340
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,400
And then I get frustrated and then I just like give up and end up giving people dirty

1341
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:45,360
looks by accident.

1342
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:47,920
I have the resting bitch face curse.

1343
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:48,400
It's tough.

1344
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:49,840
I've you know what though?

1345
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,920
I think of out of all the times we've ever spoken or anything, you've never given me

1346
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,600
the once resting bitch face.

1347
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:56,160
Really?

1348
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:56,720
Never.

1349
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:57,920
That is iconic.

1350
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,680
No one's ever said that every time I talk to people, they say, you know, when I first

1351
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,600
met you, I thought you were a bitch because you've got this terrible resting bitch face.

1352
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,440
I think it was because the first time we ever spoke.

1353
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:08,480
Must be really working on it.

1354
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:08,960
Yeah.

1355
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,920
It was like the first time we ever had a conversation, I think was on the phone and we chatted

1356
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,480
for about half an hour, 40 minutes about like the good and bad elements of the industry.

1357
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:22,160
And then the second time we ever met was like at the cafe.

1358
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,040
So it was one of those situations and you were going through a terrible breakup.

1359
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,600
So, you know, it's one of those cycle of breaks.

1360
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,600
Your bitching face was entirely, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just

1361
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:32,560
ignored probably.

1362
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,240
And that's what I cover your...

1363
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,400
It was replaced by my sad face.

1364
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,200
Yes.

1365
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,240
It was on a, like a work break and needed a little rest and...

1366
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,000
Yeah, yeah.

1367
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,040
It was just sad.

1368
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:45,840
But I mean, like, absolutely.

1369
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:51,840
I don't, I, I think, I also like that, you know, you are, you're, you're such a genuine

1370
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,440
soul as well, you know, which...

1371
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:53,940
Oh, thanks.

1372
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,360
Oh, you're like, you hate compliments, don't you?

1373
01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,360
You're like...

1374
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,520
You know what, to be honest, like, I don't even, I, I'm now, I'm blushing.

1375
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:04,880
You are.

1376
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,880
You're like, I don't know what to do with this stuff.

1377
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,000
I don't love a compliment.

1378
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,400
I also don't really like talking about myself, which is like, I think I've come across as

1379
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,400
a real wanker in this.

1380
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:14,880
I loved it.

1381
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,680
I'm trying to like be better at talking about myself.

1382
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,440
Like I can to like my friends.

1383
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:19,760
Yeah.

1384
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,200
But it's so awkward to be like, yeah, my career, you know?

1385
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:23,760
Yeah, I know.

1386
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,520
You wouldn't think I am.

1387
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:25,760
I mean...

1388
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:26,880
I'm just a rando.

1389
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,920
Famous rando.

1390
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:28,720
I am.

1391
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:36,240
But, but I mean, like, I mean, now that you've sort of like, you know, going into the fame

1392
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:37,040
and fortune...

1393
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,040
I'm not a cool...

1394
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,680
But no, but I mean, like, do you still kind of consider, like, where do you sit on the

1395
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,360
borderline of just like, you know, because as a performer and especially as a creator,

1396
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,640
you know, there's always that walking fine line of who do you pay, who do you not pay?

1397
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,800
Are you going to get paid as an actor?

1398
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,240
Are you not going to get paid for this role?

1399
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,040
Like that is the hardest thing.

1400
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:03,280
You've got to weigh up your options of whether the project is something you believe in and

1401
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:09,280
sacrifice your like your time and energy or it's completely to the wayside and you actually

1402
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,240
just don't think it's worth anything like and drop it like that.

1403
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,640
How do you, how do you deal with that even today?

1404
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,600
I think like I used to just say yes to everything all the time because I think that's a great

1405
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,440
way to start to be honest.

1406
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:24,000
Um, I just used to say, yes, yes, yes.

1407
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:29,520
Cause I was so hungry and like, I just wanted to meet people and I've met some amazing people

1408
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,760
from doing that, you know, so that was a good choice.

1409
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:38,640
Um, but now I think just for my own self worth, like I won't do anything for free because

1410
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:45,520
yeah, I mean, I mean, like, you know, unless it was like fucking incredible and I thought

1411
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,280
like, this could be really good for me.

1412
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,720
Like this could really like help my career and like, this is amazing.

1413
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,320
And I really respect this person or if it was like a friend, you know, if a friend wanted

1414
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,240
me to be in their short film, like, of course.

1415
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:56,880
Yeah.

1416
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:03,840
Um, but yeah, I feel like even if it's just like a small sum, like even if it's just a

1417
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:08,960
hundred bucks, you know, or like profit share, like that's just, that just like has to be

1418
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:09,840
my boundary now.

1419
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,400
Otherwise you just feel shitty, I guess.

1420
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,880
And like my time is worth something.

1421
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:18,720
AV is.

1422
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,840
I don't, who am I?

1423
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,600
Why am I saying this?

1424
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,760
You're like imposter syndrome.

1425
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,000
I've literally like learned that script in the mirror to myself.

1426
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,280
I mean, like you're worth it girl.

1427
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:30,640
Fucking worth it.

1428
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,520
Even a hundred bucks.

1429
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:32,640
You're worth a hundred bucks.

1430
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,120
I really, I feel like, but you know, I think that is true.

1431
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,120
I think that's a fair thing to say.

1432
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,320
What do you think about that?

1433
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:41,920
I, I a hundred percent agree.

1434
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:50,160
And I think that it's only come out of just, I probably this year or it's like before this

1435
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,960
year, I used to be like, yeah, whatever, you know, I'll help people.

1436
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,240
And I think it's cause of that eagerness.

1437
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,960
Cause I know a lot of artists who don't, um, you know, not everyone has the budget and

1438
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,960
not everyone like, and I do a lot of bits and bobs.

1439
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,400
Well, yeah, it's like, I've made films for people and they work for free, you know,

1440
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,320
like, whoa, like I'm not saying that I'm like better than them or anything like that at

1441
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:08,880
all.

1442
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:09,200
Yeah.

1443
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:15,440
Like I just think, you know, you, you ha you have to have a relationship with yourself.

1444
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,200
You it's more about my relationship with me and going like, okay, if you're going to keep

1445
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:23,200
beating yourself up for not being a real actor, you need to like change something in that.

1446
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,960
So you feel more fucking legitimate.

1447
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:25,600
Yeah.

1448
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:31,680
I think it's also like, um, I've, I've got like a couple of like photo shoots, but after

1449
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,360
this year, it's everything.

1450
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:38,640
If you want to photos charged, cause I'm just at that point where I'm like, I could just

1451
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,520
earn money from this.

1452
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:47,760
Like if you want to, like headshots and stuff, bank, bank, bank, bank, very happy bank.

1453
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:48,720
Um, yeah.

1454
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,960
How do you feel on capitalism?

1455
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,040
How long have we been talking?

1456
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:01,760
Shit man.

1457
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:02,960
It's been like two hours.

1458
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,080
I can't do capitalism now.

1459
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:11,600
No, no, I'll give you my brief wrap on capitalism.

1460
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,440
I mean, like you, I will literally rap for you.

1461
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:16,240
I'll probably do.

1462
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:16,960
No, no, no, no.

1463
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:17,920
I'm doing that.

1464
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:27,040
But I feel like capitalism is so cooked it, we haven't found a better solution yet.

1465
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,880
No, we need to try because it fucking sucks.

1466
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:33,600
I agree with that.

1467
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,960
I think it also just doesn't align with art, which is entirely based on, I think.

1468
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,480
Or social, like equality, social equity.

1469
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:42,960
No.

1470
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,960
And I think it's also like, you know, we've only recently fallen into this time, which

1471
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:51,920
is like, we had a liberal government for so long that didn't support the arts, especially

1472
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,600
during COVID, especially during those high points.

1473
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,960
And then, you know, there's artists like you and me trying to make stuff, talk about

1474
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,640
it, you know, get it out there.

1475
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,080
And then suddenly it's just like, oh yeah, you're going to make, you know, and making

1476
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,240
films are fucking expensive.

1477
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:06,800
Yeah.

1478
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:07,600
They're bazillions.

1479
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,120
It's so expensive.

1480
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:09,360
Yeah.

1481
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,040
It's nuts these days.

1482
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:17,920
You know, I remember, you know, I've never met anyone ever, ever who's made anything

1483
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,120
and not spent some money on a film.

1484
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:21,600
Yeah.

1485
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,040
Like it's impossible.

1486
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:30,400
I mean, with the, with the farm one, what was like the biggest kind of scary, you know,

1487
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,920
like stress in terms of financial or money time?

1488
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,000
Well, we got sponsored.

1489
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:36,720
Oh, that's good.

1490
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,960
By Blundstone Boots.

1491
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,720
By Blundstones, guys.

1492
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,000
They're so comfortable.

1493
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,000
They paid me to say that.

1494
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,800
Did they?

1495
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,000
No, they didn't.

1496
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,360
Well, I own some of this.

1497
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,280
Is it a profit share kind of situation?

1498
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,560
Yeah, I brought some free boots for you.

1499
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,360
Yeah, thank you.

1500
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,360
Thank you.

1501
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,520
Anyway, yeah, we got sponsored by Blundstones.

1502
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,480
So that was good.

1503
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:02,160
And that like covered, I think they gave us like 8,000.

1504
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:08,880
So that covered like all the, everyone had to have accommodation and food because we

1505
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,080
were literally in the middle of the desert and like travel, like petrol and all that stuff.

1506
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,840
And then we did a crowd fund and that covered like equipment,

1507
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,840
which is always so expensive.

1508
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,440
And then there's like insurance and then all the post fees.

1509
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:29,280
So I think in the end, we ended up like raising enough money to cover that film completely.

1510
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:30,080
Wow.

1511
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,000
And it was maybe like nearly 20K.

1512
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:41,440
And then the second film, we both are out of pocket in a big way,

1513
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,440
but we also got sponsored by Telstra for that one.

1514
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:45,440
Wow, Telstra.

1515
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:46,160
Yeah, yeah.

1516
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,760
How much did you pay for that?

1517
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:48,640
How did that one happen?

1518
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:54,480
Were they like, can you promote 5G in your products?

1519
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:55,520
Wait till you see the film.

1520
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,600
It's just 5G signs and Telstra and everyone's using Telstra.

1521
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,120
The characters are 5G.

1522
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,960
No, we had phones in the script already.

1523
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,040
So it just kind of was like a perfect partnership.

1524
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,200
And yeah, we were like, well, we have phones so like we can show the little

1525
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,320
Telstra icon at the top, I guess, but they didn't even make us do that.

1526
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:17,520
How did we get that?

1527
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,440
Because we were working with a organization called Phoenix House,

1528
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:29,040
which is like a education service for kids who are homeless, essentially.

1529
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:29,840
Oh, okay.

1530
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:37,200
So we partnered with them and we were like, hey, we would like to include you guys in this film.

1531
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,480
Like we want to hear your opinion.

1532
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:39,680
We want to hear what you think.

1533
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,960
We want you to come on set if you want to and like help out.

1534
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,800
And like, if you're interested in filmmaking, like you can like work with the makeup artists

1535
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:51,200
or like, you know, bring your skills and then like, we'll come to you and like talk to you

1536
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,680
about acting and filmmaking and show you some videos and stuff for free.

1537
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,960
Because really we just did that because we were like, well, we're writing about

1538
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,920
DV and youth homelessness and like neither of us have had that experience.

1539
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,880
So let's make it more, you know, genuine, I guess.

1540
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:09,440
Yeah.

1541
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:13,120
And then it just became this amazing thing where it was like, holy fuck, this is amazing.

1542
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:17,280
Like, it's so interesting to meet these kids and you know, anyway, so then for some reason

1543
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,920
we told Telstra that and then they gave it some money.

1544
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:20,640
Wow.

1545
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,680
Which was really cool.

1546
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:22,240
Wow.

1547
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:23,040
That's really good.

1548
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,240
Yeah, it was, but then COVID happened in a big way.

1549
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:33,200
So that really stunted that involvement there, but the kids did come to set and we went to them

1550
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:34,880
and it was really, it was really great.

1551
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:35,200
Wow.

1552
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:35,840
That's awesome.

1553
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:36,240
Yeah.

1554
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,960
I mean, like it's annoying that you're out of pocket in some regard of that film, but I mean,

1555
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,560
like it's, you know, there's no film that you're ever not going to make and some would be out of

1556
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,120
pocket.

1557
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,520
Well, also it's hard with short films, right?

1558
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,480
Because like you're never going to make money from them either.

1559
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:50,960
No.

1560
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,520
Like they're not going to make money for you, you know?

1561
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,720
No, no.

1562
01:18:54,720 --> 01:19:00,400
So, um, and they're just little, little droplets of passion put out into the world.

1563
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:01,840
They're what we call passion projects.

1564
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:02,800
Yeah.

1565
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,480
For us when we feel low and down.

1566
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:07,120
Yes.

1567
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:13,840
But no, I mean, like it's, it's pretty incredible because I feel like most of the time, you

1568
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,680
know, like you've got Australian cultural fund, you've got Indie, IndieGoGo, you've got GoFundMe

1569
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:22,160
like now as platforms as well, but reaching out to people, you know, and really kind of

1570
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:26,160
getting that like, oh look, you know, because sponsorship is not something that people think

1571
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,080
of, especially when they make short films.

1572
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,880
No, it's not a short film.

1573
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,360
No, it's not at all.

1574
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,520
I, yeah, I don't know if like, I know anyone who's done that.

1575
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,720
I just, my partner is like a crazy business brain guy.

1576
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:41,920
That's great.

1577
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,000
And he was like, dude, let's do this.

1578
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:48,080
We just emailed them and just gave them, I'm giving away my secrets.

1579
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,600
Wait, fuck, delete this.

1580
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,840
Do not email them.

1581
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,440
They will not respond.

1582
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,200
They will just send you a do not respond.

1583
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,080
Meg Clark said no.

1584
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,000
No, but really guys, like you should do it.

1585
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,240
Yeah, because like we're all about helping each other.

1586
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:07,120
No, and I think, and just email Meg because you'll find her.

1587
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:07,760
I'll help you.

1588
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:09,840
I'll tell you who to email.

1589
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:11,840
Here's my list of contacts.

1590
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,280
And they also don't give me the out my contacts, but sure, I gave them out anyway.

1591
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,160
Uh, yes.

1592
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:19,040
But no, that's it.

1593
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:25,040
It is interesting to know that that is possible for young artists, especially to, you know,

1594
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,680
get films made and not be entirely in their pocket because I, yeah, it's not an avenue,

1595
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:30,400
people think of.

1596
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:31,280
Yeah.

1597
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:33,440
Yeah.

1598
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:38,240
Well, I mean, this is what is fucked about capitalism though, because it means that like

1599
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:43,040
everybody who wants to make a film who isn't being produced by a big studio or being paid

1600
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:47,440
to do it has to be rich and like that's fucked, you know?

1601
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:47,840
Yeah.

1602
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,600
So that's why I think, yeah, companies should sponsor you because if they hadn't like,

1603
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,680
to be honest, we wouldn't have been able to do it.

1604
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,600
Like we didn't have the money.

1605
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,800
Like it was like, please, or sorry guys, it's not happening.

1606
01:20:58,800 --> 01:20:59,040
Yeah.

1607
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:04,240
Like we will work as hard as we can to get there, but like, I don't know what we would

1608
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:04,800
have done.

1609
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:05,200
Yeah.

1610
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:10,400
And I mean, like that's kind of like the crunch of most things is, you know, and it's like

1611
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,080
what COVID does, you know, especially put a hole in some projects, which, you know,

1612
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:19,040
obviously put them stop and stuff, but you kind of reprioritize and you go, okay, well,

1613
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,400
I can afford this or I wait for the investment and then, uh, you know,

1614
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,200
and then it can definitely happen.

1615
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:27,840
Yeah.

1616
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:32,000
Um, yeah, but it's so unfair because there's so many people who are so talented and who

1617
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,480
would never be able to have the opportunity to make anything.

1618
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:35,280
Yeah.

1619
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:40,720
You know, it's a, it's a, basically at the end of the day, capitalism sucks.

1620
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,280
And it does, it does.

1621
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,600
It needs to be rejigged and reshaped.

1622
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,600
I've heard that conversation more and more this like past a month.

1623
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:50,720
Well, it's true.

1624
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,440
It's true.

1625
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:52,080
It's true.

1626
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:58,320
This whole free market, I keep hearing this, the invisible hand of capitalism, free market

1627
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,920
economy where you can like buy whatever you want and like sell it.

1628
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,800
And then like, no one can get you in trouble and like get rich.

1629
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:06,800
All those buzzwords.

1630
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,080
I'm like, no bad.

1631
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,880
And I don't really know what they mean, but I know I'm not into them.

1632
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,440
Can you just be the running narrative voice of my like in a monologue?

1633
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,280
Cause that was fantastic.

1634
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,160
Free market, invisible hand.

1635
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:20,480
Woo.

1636
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:21,440
I'm hungry.

1637
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:27,760
It's also like, yeah, because we live in a cashless system now, it's, it is kind of

1638
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,800
scary because it's all numbers and dimes and you know, everything goes down.

1639
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,160
It's not even real.

1640
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:38,000
Nah, it's and it's, you know, I find the whole thing of like, you know, profit sharing

1641
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:43,840
and everything, you know, someone who explains, I barely understand how I make money, let

1642
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,160
alone how it manages itself.

1643
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,680
That terrifies me.

1644
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,720
It seems to go into my bank, then out of my bank.

1645
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,240
Like this is the dude I know.

1646
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:56,320
And I'm so bad at maths that I'll like look at my bank and be like, someone's robbed me

1647
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,560
because I've only spent a hundred dollars here, $60 here and $300 there.

1648
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,400
Like that is not $500.

1649
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,640
That is less, right?

1650
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:05,200
Right?

1651
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:06,400
It's not.

1652
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,440
No, no, I had to do some quick maths just then for that joke.

1653
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:13,200
That was some quick math for that joke.

1654
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:14,080
Wow.

1655
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,600
I'm impressed with myself.

1656
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,400
I'm impressed.

1657
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,360
I think I said $480.

1658
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,320
I think that's what it was.

1659
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,840
Anyway, anyway, it doesn't matter.

1660
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,280
But seriously, like that's, whoa, that's no bad.

1661
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:27,760
Yeah, I know.

1662
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,160
I mean, this is, and this is why we have accountants and you know.

1663
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,080
Yeah, man, I love my account.

1664
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:34,480
Yeah.

1665
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:35,600
Cause you freelance.

1666
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,360
So that's kind of the only way you.

1667
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,720
Yeah, dude, that my gov thing and it's asking you these questions and you're like, what are

1668
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,000
you talking about, dude?

1669
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,600
I have no idea.

1670
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:46,880
What does that word mean?

1671
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,680
Yeah, I know.

1672
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,280
And what are you fucking on about?

1673
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:50,080
Like what?

1674
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,360
It's gibberish.

1675
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:52,000
Yeah.

1676
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,320
How the fuck do people do their tax on my gov?

1677
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,000
And the thing is like, I just, I just gave up and was like, I'm just going to click through

1678
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,040
and I'm just going to get to the end so I can just get some tax return because I'm

1679
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,000
poor and I need it.

1680
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:02,160
Yeah.

1681
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,000
But it wouldn't even let me keep going.

1682
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,800
It was like, choose your option of whatever the fuck.

1683
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:07,440
Yeah.

1684
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:07,920
What?

1685
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:08,800
Do you know about this stuff?

1686
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:09,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1687
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:10,080
Oh, okay.

1688
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:10,320
Wow.

1689
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:10,640
Okay.

1690
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:11,280
It's so far.

1691
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:12,320
Do you want to be my accountant?

1692
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,840
Uh, no, I don't.

1693
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,600
I hate doing my taxes.

1694
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,960
I have to, I have to go through all my like actual, um, you know, dividends and fill out

1695
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:21,120
in.

1696
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,080
That's what I'm talking about.

1697
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,680
That word that's come up for me.

1698
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:23,920
Yeah.

1699
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,600
It's like, have you added your dividends?

1700
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:26,240
What do you mean?

1701
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:26,720
Why?

1702
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,440
What is that?

1703
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:32,160
Um, it's basically all your expenses that kind of go under your job and how much a percentage

1704
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:32,400
is.

1705
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:32,800
I do know.

1706
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:33,200
Yeah.

1707
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:33,520
Yeah.

1708
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:39,840
And I claim about 50% of all my dividends of any tax agents listening.

1709
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,880
I claim 50% because get fucked.

1710
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,600
I'm not evading taxes.

1711
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,160
Um, but yeah, like I use half of it for work related reasons and the other half of fun.

1712
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,600
So, you know, what's also F'd.

1713
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:56,480
I met an actor who also casually worked as an accountant.

1714
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:57,120
Amazing.

1715
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,080
What a legend.

1716
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:04,720
Anyway, he told me that most people who get audited are like low income earners because

1717
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,080
they will lie on their tax return.

1718
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,200
Cause like, fuck, they think no one's watching and no one cares, but they're the people that

1719
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,840
usually get audited and then end up owing the tax department.

1720
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:12,320
Yeah.

1721
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:13,680
Not millionaires.

1722
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:14,160
No.

1723
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,480
That's so fucked up.

1724
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:16,800
Yeah.

1725
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,200
Cause to me, if I got audited and I owed them a thousand dollars, I'd be like, that's huge,

1726
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:21,520
man.

1727
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,120
That's like a big deal for me.

1728
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,280
Like that's like, I'm, I'm in strife.

1729
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:25,920
Yeah.

1730
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,320
For a millionaire, that's like, you wouldn't even notice.

1731
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:30,480
No, it'd be like pittance.

1732
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:31,760
It'd be a walk in the park.

1733
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,920
It would be like, oh, like you wouldn't even see it.

1734
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,920
No, no, but that's, that's the problem.

1735
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:40,160
You know, we have a class system still and it is, you know, we are low.

1736
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:47,840
We are, you know, even though we get money, we are still on the low end of, you know,

1737
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,240
the social economic ladder.

1738
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:58,720
Because, you know, we are artists and we don't earn enough to then for break the bank

1739
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,160
and be like, you know, we're poor and miserable.

1740
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:07,120
We know we earn enough to be not poor and miserable, but we don't earn enough to like

1741
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,960
buy a mansion or buy a house.

1742
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,520
But then don't you get that?

1743
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:16,000
Like, I always get this guilt where I feel like, oh, you know, it's so hard.

1744
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,840
I'm so poor because I'm an artist.

1745
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,200
And then I'm like, oh, fuck man.

1746
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,200
Like that's like my choice.

1747
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:21,840
I know.

1748
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,920
Like it's a really fun thing to do.

1749
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:24,720
Yeah.

1750
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,320
And like you could also be a lawyer or a social worker.

1751
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,360
And that would actually be like helpful.

1752
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:32,880
I mean, not that art isn't helpful.

1753
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,440
Oh my God.

1754
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,040
It's actually just Satan.

1755
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,400
I feel like we're going to have a horrible nightmare tonight.

1756
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,600
I'm just like, oh my God.

1757
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,000
You're going to have these like Satan with an invisible hand being like, give me my tax.

1758
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,280
Give me my tax or tell artists.

1759
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,760
And you're going to be like, oh my God, Meg, she fucked me up.

1760
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:54,000
I'm not going to sleep well tonight.

1761
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,240
Anyway, I don't actually think that art is very legitimate.

1762
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:57,360
It got everyone through COVID.

1763
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:58,800
It is literally all anyone ever did.

1764
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,840
I've watched television, like literally we're obsessed with it.

1765
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:06,560
We're obsessed with television, but I just, I just get that guilty feeling sometimes.

1766
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,800
That like, you know, maybe I shouldn't complain about being poor.

1767
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:14,800
I miss my parents.

1768
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,320
I love ASMR.

1769
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:16,820
ASMR.

1770
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,520
And on that beautiful night.

1771
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,040
No, I don't think you should complain about being an artist.

1772
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:27,760
Um, but also I think yeah, it's fair to complain, but that beautiful night,

1773
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,280
I think that's a perfect point to wrap us.

1774
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,720
Um, I was going to ask you the question.

1775
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,200
Where can people stalk you, Meg?

1776
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:43,920
Oh, um, my name is Meg Eloise Clark at Instagram.

1777
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:44,400
Yeah.

1778
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,520
And that's, that's pretty much the one.

1779
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:48,240
Yeah.

1780
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:49,120
We'll go and stalk you.

1781
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,120
I also have Facebook, but I feel like Facebook's lame now.

1782
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:51,680
No one uses it.

1783
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:52,960
Yeah, no one uses it.

1784
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,000
And I don't have TikTok.

1785
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:54,720
I'm too old for that.

1786
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,480
I have TikTok and I'm too old.

1787
01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:59,360
You're older than me.

1788
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:00,000
I'm older than you.

1789
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,200
I just don't get it.

1790
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,000
I just don't get it.

1791
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,280
I get fucked video showing to me and I'm like, whoa, I don't want to see this.

1792
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:07,440
I like shark videos.

1793
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,280
That's what I like.

1794
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:10,400
Anyway, I'm just rambling.

1795
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:10,880
I love it.

1796
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,760
Um, but no, thank you so much for joining us.

1797
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,040
In absolute flesh.

1798
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,480
I've loved every second.

1799
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,800
You're like, what the fuck did I say?

1800
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:19,520
I don't know.

1801
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:20,320
I'm stressed.

1802
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,360
Anyway, bye.

1803
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,720
No, it was an absolute pleasure.

1804
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,160
Thank you so much for having me on.

1805
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:29,680
I've had a wonderful time.

1806
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,320
I'm glad you're like threatened to leave.

1807
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,280
It's a point.

1808
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,920
You're almost been chaotic, but I've loved it.

1809
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:37,440
So thank you.

1810
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:41,200
And if you want to go check out more episodes of the things we do,

1811
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:42,880
you can check them out on Apple and Spotify.

1812
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,160
I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you later.

1813
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:56,160
Goodbye.