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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film life, television culture, mental

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health and all that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend Natalie Rae Wilson.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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How are you?

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I'm well.

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I'm warm.

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You are warm.

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And sweaty.

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Very graphic and I love it.

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I mean, it's like you have come all the way from a very cold climate.

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Yes.

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Although you were in Greece, so it's rather warmish.

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Oh, it was beautiful weather.

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Greece was, I was living my best life.

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You know, it was warm, spent most days at the beach, you know, I loved it there.

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But Wisconsin at the moment is, it's freezing.

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I don't know what the temperature would be exactly, but my parents-in-law said that it

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was negative, negative five or something like that and snowing.

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So glad I'm missing that.

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Yeah, I'm definitely a summer person.

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Yeah, I can tell you, you, you, you kind of got the summer five all up.

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You're like, I'm back in Sydney and I'm just going to rake it in.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm, even though this weather has been wild, I don't know if you've experienced, I mean,

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I've been away for four years.

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Yeah, but I've never, in the past, I never saw Sydney so windy in the like spring summertime.

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It's it's it's that's global warming for you folks.

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It's very fun.

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But yeah, like we've had, it's kind of funny because like, I think since the 2020 bushfires

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and everything, which, you know, was massive and then, you know, we've had flooding and

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since COVID, it's like, I don't know, you could, you could ask for rain, you get a month

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of it in Sydney.

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Like it's, it's nothing really makes sense.

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And then it's like, I think there was like a protest not that long ago, which scientifically

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said if we don't sort out a lot of global warming issues by 2050, it's basically non-reversible.

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Like there's a whole bunch of issues with them.

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And that's so soon.

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I mean, if you really think about it, that's, that's very scary.

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That's in our lifetime.

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That's like, we will be at least probably in our fifties or sixties at that stage.

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Yeah.

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And that to me is quite scary because that's, it's 2022 now and that's only 30 years away.

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And you know, like something really needs to be done.

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But you know, I don't want to be this like 90 year old or 80 or 90 year old, sort of

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in this planet that I think, you know, is like at the moment I statistically will occasionally

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look at like the birth rate and everything in the population size.

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I think, you know, ironically it's massive now.

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It's like 8 billion people.

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It keeps growing.

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But yeah, like I think in terms of like, you know, the fact that like a lot of places like,

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you know, LA for example, is always a hot place because it's like just a warmer part

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of the global, you know, closer to certain parts of the equator.

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The same with like, you know, the deserts and stuff.

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The outback in Australia is also another place, which is just particularly hot because of

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where it's located.

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And you know, you look at it and Sydney is cooler because of the coastal, you know, the

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fact that we're near coast and everything.

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But the fact that it's so windy and rain suddenly, and you know, like there's just little things

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that I think like the fact that I think small towns in Sydney have flooded now three times

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in the last like two years.

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You know, it just, it doesn't make sense to me just being like, you know, cause they say,

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oh, this doesn't happen in like a hundred years.

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And I'm like, maybe that's a sign.

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Like maybe that's a good reason.

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I have, yeah, there's family members who do not agree with, you know, just don't think

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global warming is an issue.

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And I, yeah, I don't know what to say to get them to wake up and, you know, see that there

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really is a problem.

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And like you said in 20, 2050, 2050, if we don't do something now, it's going to be,

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the problems are going to be irreversible.

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That's a very scary thought.

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I think it's also like the one thing I love is like kids protests and stuff.

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And then like one of the like old politicians back when I, we hit the Morrison government

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was saying, it was really funny as well.

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They were like, these kids need to be in school.

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And I was like, no, they don't cause they're out with their teachers all protesting about

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global warming.

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I feel like they're doing the right thing.

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They're actually learned like, and it's really interesting when I think, I'm very big on

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education.

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I'm big on people doing research, especially like, I guess also coming from a very like,

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you know, not super religious family, but I did grow up with a very religious grandmother.

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like religious as a kid.

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Because when I was a kid, no one was told the question.

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They were like, you know, just God has answers and science is kind of like this maybe thought

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of hypothetical everything.

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And then like, I think as I grew up and you know, I sort of retouched my spirituality

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more in the last few years, I still think that, you know, like nowadays, do research,

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like there's so much we don't understand about the universe and the planets and how everything

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aligns that I think you do fundamental research and how like we grow and you know, how like,

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you know, everything works on this planet.

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And you start to realize, oh yeah, there are a lot of problems, but people want to ignore

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that.

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That's, that's where I feel.

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I feel like it's a problem.

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Yeah, I yeah, what you said 100%.

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It's a very I think you're right.

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I think we do need to do more research and you know, science is ever evolving.

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So you know, there were back in the olden days, I actually went to the library of New

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South Wales.

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And they had this, actually they still do this exhibition called something, gosh, something

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about medicine and talking about how medicine has progressed and the different treatments

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that they had back in the day.

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One that stood out to me was for goodness, now I cannot remember anything, but it was

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regarding a sexually transmitted disease.

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Was it like, it wasn't syphilis was it?

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Syphilis.

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Was it?

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Syphilis, yeah.

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And what the doctors used to do, they used to give mercury to their patients.

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But of course, they couldn't do the work, the doctors wouldn't touch it.

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They would give the mercury to the patient and say, here, you take it yourself, you ingest

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it.

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We can't touch it because obviously, you know, mercury poisoning and it's not a nice, yeah,

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anyway.

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So I thought that was hilarious how they used to give mercury to heal syphilis.

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And it's just interesting how far we've come and how science is ever changing and global

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warming.

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Anyway, and like you said, just people need to do their research.

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Well, it's like the, I love that you say that as well because it was like my attitude towards

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the vaccine, which, you know, like any sort of, you know, like smallpox, prime example,

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smallpox, I think when it was rampant, when they developed the vaccine, there were a lot

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of trials and errors.

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like a vaccine was mass produced quite quickly.

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And some people unfortunately did die probably as results of partial the vaccine, but it

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didn't kill everyone.

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It actually made a lot more people safe.

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And I think that whether you ended up never having the vaccine or you're immune or everything

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like that, that is your choice.

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I'm not arguing with that.

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But I think the thing is that there was like people out there just saying it will kill

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And I'm like, that is dependent on the body.

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And unfortunately, that is like all that science is because they don't know whether it will

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kill you or not.

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And it's all, as we say, trial and error.

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And never evolving.

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And unfortunately, like you are, you know, it's unfortunate to say, but there's always

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going to be fatalities in these kind of situations where there is like a pandemic or a plague

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or anything like I think, you know, suddenly the Black Death, like, you know, back in the

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plague years, that the only reason that sort of disappeared was because they realized that

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it came from fleas.

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And it didn't actually come from the rats.

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It actually came from the fleas and the rats.

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And, you know, I didn't know that.

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So it was actually nothing to do with rats.

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It was to do with the fleas and they'd spread the disease through, you know, into the rats

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and then onto the humans.

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So it was like, you know, it was just a nuts thing.

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And that's how so many people died.

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It wiped out a third of the population.

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It was nuts.

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And you look at history like that, I think they actually cleaned up.

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I think that's where they designed a lot of the sanitary like use of, because back then

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they didn't actually have any use of sanitary like results, you know, no one barely washed

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their hands.

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It was all gross.

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You know, you were contracting everything.

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Disgusting.

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like that.

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They're all very sanitary and clean.

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And I think that every time, you know, there's so many things that are microbes and, you

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know, like small inanimate things.

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never see like the bottom of the ocean or anything like that.

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this is amazing.

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I'm okay with that because I think that's what's the fun of being alive.

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And I think, you know, you can't live in fear of, like, it's like this stage, I think Australia

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is in its fourth wave and our like fourth wave of the pandemic, I think is another like

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a strain.

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It's like B-side.

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I heard that a cruise ship just let out, had 800 COVID positive cases and let them all

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I shouldn't laugh at that.

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That's like.

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But it is kind of comical.

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I mean, it's like, anyway.

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I mean, isn't it the way though?

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But you know, these days we can't live in fear.

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It's kind of just like, you know, because I've got like three boosters now, but I've

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had COVID and it sucked.

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Like I, you know, did you end up getting it?

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I did.

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It actually wasn't too bad.

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I had one the first day sucked.

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It was kind of like flu-y for me, like just the shiver, you know, the cold.

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I had a fever.

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And then the next day I was almost fine.

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But then the third day I ended up losing my voice for another three days.

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It was, so I was actually okay.

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I just didn't have a voice, which was kind of nice.

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You know, I was like, yeah, I'll take this.

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I'll enjoy my, I'll have more me time.

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You will be able to relax.

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Oh my God.

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That's, that's like nuts.

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Dude, I had brain fog.

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I had brain fog for four days, so I couldn't, I couldn't work.

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Like I was, um, like Emily got it first.

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She got it from like seeing a concert and she was like very careful and she couldn't

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work out where she got it from, from the concert.

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And I got it off her.

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And I remember when the brain fog hit me, I was meant to do so much that week.

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And I just suddenly just went like this.

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I was like, huh?

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And everyone was messaging.

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Everyone was messaging me.

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I was like, I have no brain function, like I cannot respond to anyone.

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I felt so bad, but I was like my, like I'd never been more forgetful in, in, and I think

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it took, it took us a while to feel like we got hit pretty bad.

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I don't know why, but I think it was like, it affects, I mean, yeah, I, I've had, you

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know, friends, um, uh, boosted, you know, who, um, my auntie got, um, the

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booster and the next day she got COVID and she got it pretty bad.

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And then I've like, I've also had, you know, friends, um, unvaccinated who also seemed,

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you know, perfectly fine or that never got it.

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And I'm like, cool.

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You, you, you guys have the, uh, you know, the strong antibodies.

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We need your blood.

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Can I steal it?

241
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Yeah.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's when people like have natural immunities to these things and I'm just like, I wish

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I, I wish I had that.

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Cause I, when I get a flu, I get very sick.

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Yeah.

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See, I think I don't get sick very often, but I do think that when I do it's, yeah,

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it's not fun.

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COVID was actually manageable besides the lost, um, the loss, lose?

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Lose, loss, lose.

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Loss of voice.

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There we go.

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I got that in the end.

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Um, but yeah, I remember in the past when I've had the flu, it's like, it's hit hard.

255
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Yeah.

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And it's just like, I'm fine for the whole year, but then flu season comes and boom.

257
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Yeah.

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And I'm out of, what's it called?

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Out of commission?

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Yeah.

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Sounds like you're a business.

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Like you just suddenly just go like, I'm out of commission.

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I'm out of commission guys.

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I'm out for a month.

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You know, I'll see you in, I'll see you in a few weeks.

266
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Yeah.

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Um, cool.

268
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Yeah.

269
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Yeah.

270
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I mean like, how was it like, how was lockdown for you though?

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You know, LA was pretty freaky.

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I mean, it was, I felt as though I was living in a dystopian.

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I mean, I'm sure, I don't know how things were here, but for like two weeks, everything

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was shut except for essential business.

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But you know, you would have to line up outside of the grocery store and they only allowed,

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you know, three people in the whole store.

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And you had to be quick to grab your essentials and then leave.

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And you know, you had to wear masks, but actually after two, three, I don't know, a month, things

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actually started, I mean, they started easing up.

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Obviously there was still a lot of, you know, um, commotion and people were scared and,

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um, wary and we had to stand six feet apart.

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But actually it, it eased up for us, I want to say fairly quickly, um, because, uh, I

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actually never stopped working, I guess because we were deemed, um, essential.

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Um, so that never changed for me.

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Um, and then we, we dropped the masks after some time and things felt like they were heading

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back to normal.

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And like, I have friends in, um, Melbourne who said they were, um, like they couldn't

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work.

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They could leave their house, um, for what seemed like months.

290
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Um, and you know, you couldn't travel, um, outside of the 5k limit.

291
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Yeah.

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We didn't really have, um, any of that.

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So I, it wasn't, I want to say, but maybe my memory is, uh, you know, it's telling me

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that things were better, you know, happy memories, happy memories.

295
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Um, cause it was very traumatic.

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I don't know.

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Um, but I want to say it was actually not that bad.

298
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Yeah.

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Um, in living in Wisconsin, I mean, it's as if COVID never happened, you know, like, really?

300
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Yeah.

301
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Yeah.

302
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No one, but it's also, I mean, um, where I was staying at my, um, in-laws, they live,

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you know, basically on a farm, you know, they have a bunch of land and the people around

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them are very like, ah, COVID, you know, I'll be fine.

305
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You know, if I get it.

306
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So it was, you know, very like COVID, what's that?

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You know, living there for the past like five months.

308
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Um, it was actually really nice.

309
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Um, cause life seemed normal.

310
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Wow.

311
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Yeah.

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That's like, cause you, rolling back time and rolling back to young Natalie, um, you,

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you moved over there to what pursue an acting.

314
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Yeah.

315
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So the original plan was you young single move over there, come back with a husband

316
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and like a plan.

317
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Yeah.

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Found me an American boy.

319
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Yeah.

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Uh, that was not the plan at all.

321
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It's funny.

322
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I told myself, I never wanted to date another actor.

323
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My husband is also an actor.

324
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What happened?

325
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I'm tell you, he was very persistent.

326
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No, no, I just, you know, there was no one that was also not on my radar at all.

327
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You know, like I went to LA, you know, focus, you know, to, I want this acting career to,

328
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um, to happen.

329
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Um, haha, COVID.

330
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Um, but yeah.

331
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So did that, that was my plan.

332
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You know, or bright-eyed bushy tailed.

333
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Is that the term?

334
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Yeah.

335
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Um, and then, yeah, I found an American boy and then things changed a little bit.

336
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Um, and, uh, yeah.

337
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And then actually it was, it was very frustrating because right.

338
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So I went to LA to, um, uh, do a, um, like a, an acting school, but a shorter, cause

339
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I've, I actually, I have a bachelor's degree in performance, um, from Wollongong university.

340
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Yeah.

341
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That's very, very exciting stuff.

342
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Oh, here you go.

343
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Yeah.

344
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But, um, so I didn't want to study more.

345
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So I just did, I guess it ended up being a two year course.

346
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Um, and after graduating, things were looking up and I was getting auditions and I was getting

347
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callbacks and I actually had a feature film.

348
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Um, yes, yes.

349
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I was, uh, it was like a, uh, like a Weston-y, a Western type feature film.

350
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And I got a callback and I was actually on, um, uh, what's the term?

351
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I'm forgetting everything.

352
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A TVC, like a commercial or?

353
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No, no.

354
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Like when you get the certain stages where you audition and then you get a callback and

355
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then you get a, I guess the second callback.

356
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Yeah.

357
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Um, so yeah, they were, they decided they wanted me, but then COVID happened and everything

358
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shut down and then it fell through.

359
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And then, and I haven't actually, um, acted in a, in a while.

360
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I've taken a bit of a break.

361
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Um.

362
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And I think it's been good.

363
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Do you think?

364
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You know what?

365
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Yes.

366
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Yes.

367
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Um, I think because it's, ah, it's very taxing, you know, and you get, it's not the nicest

368
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of jobs, meaning, you know, you get so much rejection, you know, unless you're Jennifer

369
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Aniston or.

370
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Yeah.

371
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And I mean, like, you know, anyone had seen her first film, I think that was like Leprechaun.

372
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I haven't seen it actually, but I've heard not great things.

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It's, it's very much not the Jennifer Aniston that I, you know, like from Friends or like

374
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years later when she's done a bunch of other things.

375
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Cause that film is very much like her very ditzy character.

376
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And I'm like, this doesn't really feel, but yeah, she's like 20, I think she was 20 in

377
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that film.

378
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So it's like, she's a baby.

379
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Yeah.

380
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Yeah.

381
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Um, but yeah, like I, so you did, you sort of felt like you were going to something then

382
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,800
COVID happened and then it suddenly went shut down.

383
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Everything stopped.

384
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,040
Um, and that really sucked.

385
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:16,960
And I think also losing that momentum, um, you know, I, I decided, you know what, I'm

386
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going to take a pause.

387
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:25,120
You know, I, um, we were also trying to figure out if I would be able to stay in the country.

388
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Right.

389
00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:33,040
And AJ, well, we did not want to lose each other, so, you know, we decided we wanted

390
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to, to get married and, um, I mean, he had proposed before, um, COVID actually.

391
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So we were, yeah, we had already started planning the wedding, um, but then COVID, um, and we

392
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had to keep postponing.

393
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,600
Yeah.

394
00:22:50,600 --> 00:23:01,600
Um, until we realized that I, the, my end visa date was, um, you know, reaching, um,

395
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a pinnacle point.

396
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,600
Yeah.

397
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,600
Yes.

398
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,800
So I would have had to leave the country and we decided that that's not what we wanted.

399
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:16,360
So we ended up having a small, um, intimate, uh, civil wedding at his parents backyard,

400
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:21,360
which was very sweet and we had, um, friends and family, um, watch over zoom.

401
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:22,360
Oh, yeah.

402
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,360
Yeah.

403
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:28,440
But we actually being back, um, we had a church wedding.

404
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,440
Oh, lovely.

405
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,440
Yeah.

406
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,440
Yeah.

407
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,200
So yeah, it's been, it's been a whirlwind, but now that's done too.

408
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,960
So, you know, two weddings down, um, three to go.

409
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Yeah.

410
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,760
I was about to say, which, you know, you want the extravaganza you want, like, you know,

411
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,440
it's so interesting as well about like, um, you know, because at this stage, like we're

412
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,240
like, cause Emily and I are moving to Canada and stuff and we haven't officially announced

413
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,320
it yet, like to our parents, um, my parents know, but like we're planning to get engaged

414
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and it's very like exciting, but we're sort of like, so I think for us, it's sort of a

415
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:07,560
solo key, but I do remember also way very excited, like, you know, one, you know, have

416
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,080
immediate, um, close friends and family around us and, you know, do it on a very small scale

417
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,280
and then have a big celebration with friends, like in Sydney, cause we want the wedding

418
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,060
to be outside of Sydney.

419
00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:20,280
We don't like the hustle and bustle of Sydney very much.

420
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,900
We like the quietness of like countryside and everything.

421
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:29,840
And then it will make living in Canada easier because I will be married to someone who is

422
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,840
a Canadian citizen.

423
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,840
Right.

424
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,320
So I won't have to, we won't technically be kicked out of the country.

425
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:42,000
If my working visa runs out, like I will still be legally married and not deported.

426
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,920
Which is a nice feel.

427
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,680
Um, you know, so I'm, I know your pain with that because, you know, it's one of those

428
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:56,080
things that I, I think is very exciting, but it's also, you know, it comes with a whole

429
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,080
lot of logistical things because I think there's always like, I think it's, it's those two

430
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,280
separations of things.

431
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,880
Cause you know, there was always the discussion very early on a relationship, which was we

432
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,640
will get married, but when it came to like that immediate, we've got to get something

433
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,680
done, let's do it now.

434
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,220
It does feel a little bit like, you know, I don't know anyone who has been since the

435
00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:21,360
pandemic has not had that happen to them where they're like, there is a crunch time and we

436
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,520
need to do it now or never.

437
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,000
It's that's not fun.

438
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,880
You don't want to work under, you know, under pressure and under like, you need to get this

439
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,880
done now.

440
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,880
Otherwise it's all over.

441
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,880
Yeah.

442
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,960
Especially because it's like such a big, big moment for you.

443
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,660
Like, and it's such a pinnacle point to be like, I love you and I want to spend the rest

444
00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:39,660
of my life with you.

445
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:40,660
Right.

446
00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:41,660
It shouldn't be rough.

447
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:42,660
Okay.

448
00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:43,660
Yeah.

449
00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:44,660
Let's get this done.

450
00:25:44,660 --> 00:25:45,660
Yeah.

451
00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:46,660
I love you.

452
00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:47,660
Okay.

453
00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:48,660
Okay.

454
00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:49,660
Yeah.

455
00:25:49,660 --> 00:25:50,660
Let's sign the paper.

456
00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:51,660
Okay.

457
00:25:51,660 --> 00:25:52,660
We're cool.

458
00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:53,660
Yeah.

459
00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:54,660
I don't get deported now.

460
00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:55,660
Okay.

461
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:57,040
Like, do you feel that the church wedding and sitting felt more like a proper wedding

462
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,960
for you or did it feel a little bit like to both?

463
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,220
I want to say both.

464
00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:12,920
I think it felt more, what was the word you just used?

465
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Which one?

466
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,920
I used many.

467
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,920
I used a lot of words.

468
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:27,440
Not a proper wedding, but I think it felt more, oh, I don't want to say this, but-

469
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,440
Genuine for you?

470
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,440
Yeah.

471
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:37,400
Only because my family and friends were physically present.

472
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:47,600
And that was something, our first garden, civil wedding was beautiful, but it was bittersweet

473
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,600
because my family was watching via Zoom, and all my friends were watching via Zoom.

474
00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:00,360
So it was kind of like, yeah, this is, yeah, it's happening, but it's also not what we

475
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,240
had planned at all, obviously.

476
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,600
So that was kind of, like I said, bittersweet.

477
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:13,880
So I think that's why this wedding felt maybe a little more genuine because I could hug

478
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:22,360
my mom, I could hug my dad and my siblings and all my girlfriends were there present

479
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:23,360
and we were giggling.

480
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,840
And yeah, it was just, yeah, I guess it felt more genuine.

481
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,840
Yeah.

482
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Because that's a very surreal feeling when you're not surrounded by the people.

483
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,360
I wouldn't know what to do.

484
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:37,360
It was very weird.

485
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:38,360
I don't recommend it.

486
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:39,360
No.

487
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,880
And I think like it was very weird because with my brother and my sister-in-law's wedding,

488
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,160
it was very much, they had originally weren't meant to do this big wedding and then COVID

489
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,240
kept happening and you know, like it just got pushed and pushed.

490
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,960
And then I think they were moving to Germany because my sister-in-law had got work over

491
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,800
there and so they were about to jet off to make it easier.

492
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,960
And for the papers, they were just like, okay, we're going to get married.

493
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:11,960
And so they did it down in the park and myself, I was my brother's best man and a witness

494
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:19,000
and my brother's best friend was the celebrant and Lisa's best friend was also another witness

495
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,640
and her bridesmaid.

496
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,560
And we just like, you know, did everything, signed the papers, witnessed it and everything.

497
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:31,640
And then we went back to mom and dads and had drinks and food with Lisa's parents and

498
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,920
my parents and like, it was quite nice.

499
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,840
It was very, it was very sweet, but it was, oh man, it was just like chaos, chaos to kind

500
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,400
of like, and I think even to this day, they felt like they had wished a little bit nicer,

501
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,320
nicer wedding, even though it was sweet.

502
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,720
So my opinion, I think, you know, now having two weddings.

503
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,800
Yeah, don't do two.

504
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,160
No, no.

505
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,160
I mean, yeah.

506
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:06,960
Hey, if you want to have as many weddings as you want, but I actually, because both

507
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:16,280
the Australian wedding and the American wedding ended up being fairly small in size.

508
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:25,040
And I think having like the people, you know, your people who you love, you know, not, and

509
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:31,840
I know it's, you can have family members who say you need to invite aunt Margaret and,

510
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:39,000
you know, uncle Jerry, you know, and, you know, the wedding party can grow.

511
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,840
But I think it is very beautiful when you have just the most, you know, important people

512
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:51,080
in your life and then afterwards you can have like a big bash, you know, big party with

513
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,400
everyone, you know, uncle Jerry can come, you know, auntie Margaret, you know, can join

514
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:04,920
the party too, you know, like, but just the ceremony, you know, the joining of hands,

515
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,880
because it's such a beautiful thing and having your most.

516
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

517
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,520
I think that's also why I've always been very like, I don't know yet.

518
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,280
It's also kind of why I think with it's the same with parties because I remember like

519
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,040
my 18th birthday, it was like, oh man, that was a disaster.

520
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,240
I was the oldest kid in, in class.

521
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280
So everyone's like, you know, when you turn 18, you're like free drinks.

522
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,480
Everyone's like, let's get wasted.

523
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,240
So, you know, 18 year old me, I was like, yeah, right.

524
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,240
And like I was, it was at my parents' house because, you know, like supervised.

525
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,960
But you know, like no one really as a parent, I understood didn't want to watch 17 year

526
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,960
olds get drunk.

527
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,960
Yeah.

528
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,120
Like it's not a fun experience as a parent because it's just kind of weird watching

529
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,780
like slight.

530
00:30:53,780 --> 00:30:59,000
And the thing I remember is like, particularly is like, you need that period where you think

531
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,720
you're an adult, but you're clearly you're not like you're pre-pre-dead.

532
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,720
You're like in that awkward.

533
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,200
When I think back, yeah, I'm like, oh, I knew nothing.

534
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,920
I thought I was the coolest and just, I was so old.

535
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,280
I was like, I'm 17.

536
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,920
I literally like, I can do anything and I know everything.

537
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,480
And I'm like, I don't know anything and I'm almost 30.

538
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,480
Yeah.

539
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,040
What was I talking about?

540
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Yeah.

541
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,640
It's so weird.

542
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,400
And I just remember like, you know, everyone got the everyone got booze.

543
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,440
And I think like, I just got to a point where I was like, I don't care about like 50% of

544
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,320
the people in this bit are like my own house.

545
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,980
Why are they here?

546
00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:44,040
And I think like from then on my parties have always gotten smaller because I'd rather surround

547
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,040
myself with like honestly kind people.

548
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Yeah.

549
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,160
But it's funny because I think, yeah, you sort of rely on and I see it all the time.

550
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,280
I think like social media and social pressures, like we with our engagement plans, like we're

551
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,280
not traditional at all.

552
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,160
We like throwing tradition out the window.

553
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400
So we're both getting engagement rings for each other.

554
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,400
No.

555
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,400
It's very sweet.

556
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,560
But we're very excited and we were going to do that whole like tradition where we, you

557
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,320
know, like, and we have this running joke is if I don't propose first and we'll do it

558
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,880
at some point during the trip, we should get too pissed off.

559
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,880
And I love that.

560
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,240
But it's like one of those things that, you know, we went to a couple of jewelers and

561
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,300
then we found a particularly like a nice ring on XC.

562
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,040
With engagement rings, you can either go to the big deal or you can kind of go simple.

563
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,120
We're very simple.

564
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,320
With our wedding rings, we want to get something that lasts a long time because, you know,

565
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,920
obviously, you know, when you pay for like a hundred or two hundred dollar rings, you

566
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,240
want to get something that's at least probably a bit more pricey, like, you know, three to

567
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,240
five hundred is a good and proper metal.

568
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Like it's going to last.

569
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,840
But I'm terrible because, you know, like anything with crystals or jewels on it, I break.

570
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,840
So bad.

571
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,440
So we try to avoid anything with sort of like flat stone.

572
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,520
And we got this nice like Turkish rock.

573
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,960
So I think it's called Zulanite.

574
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Basically the premise is changes color and different lights.

575
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,800
So it never looks like one stone.

576
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,280
It looks like many different stones.

577
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,160
And it's so cool.

578
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,400
And this guy, this jeweler in Broadway was talking to us about it and he was selling

579
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,280
rings for like one hundred and fifty.

580
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,920
We found one on Etsy, which was like down from two hundred dollars to like forty dollars.

581
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,920
And we're like, yes, we'll take cheapskates.

582
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,600
We're going to take this.

583
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Save some money.

584
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,640
But yeah, it was like massive discount.

585
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,240
We're very excited.

586
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,040
But I mean, like it's one of those things that I think when you love someone and particularly

587
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,640
like, you know, when you're, you know, it's like that long term, it is more about like,

588
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,560
you know, I always see people at work with massive rings.

589
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,520
I'm like, how much did that actually cost?

590
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,720
Sometimes they are family heirlooms.

591
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,880
Like sometimes they like my mom wears my her mom's engagement ring, which I love.

592
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Like it's very sweet and you know, like it's now probably like over a hundred years old.

593
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,960
You know, and I think about that kind of like mentality of like, well, you know, my parents

594
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,560
are probably going to give their wedding rings and engagement rings once they get to a certain

595
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,800
age to be like, give these to your kids and pass it on.

596
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,600
And I think that's really sweet.

597
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,360
I love that.

598
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,760
Yeah, I love, I love like tradition, like little things like that where it's traditional.

599
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:35,160
But also just, I love like the fact that, you know, when you go to a wedding and you

600
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:42,480
know, like we've asked our friend who's trained as a celebrant to be our celebrant and you

601
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,080
know, it's mostly going to consist of friends that we know who were doing stuff.

602
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,880
Like I asked, I asked Susan to be my best man.

603
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,960
So she's going to be there at my wedding.

604
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,780
I'm so excited.

605
00:34:56,780 --> 00:34:57,780
And she was just thrilled.

606
00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:59,080
I was like, oh my God, yes, please.

607
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,600
And I've known her for 12 years.

608
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,240
And I think it's like to have that and be like, one, my brother might not be in the

609
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:10,000
country so he might not be able to be present for our wedding.

610
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,440
But we, you know, we're doing it on like, we're going to book out an Airbnb.

611
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,840
We're going to have it on the property in, you know, because we wanted to do an embermer

612
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,280
and bermer will rake us for millions of dollars if they could.

613
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,320
So we're like, cheap.

614
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,720
Find a nice location.

615
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:32,640
Do it and then throw a big party to kind of make, because I mean, like also we, we, I

616
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,120
think it's really interesting because my parents had a church wedding.

617
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,120
They loved it.

618
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:43,680
But I think, you know, I, I don't feel like, um, like I grew up going to church.

619
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,520
I just never felt like I get married in a church and I never have.

620
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,280
And I don't know why that is.

621
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,760
Um, but I know so many friends, you know, like who do the big rent out of barn.

622
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,920
Like I went to a barn wedding.

623
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,760
That was the most expensive wedding I've ever been to.

624
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,760
And they got a divorce.

625
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,720
I was like, why do you spend?

626
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,720
Yeah, that's tough.

627
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:07,240
That's always the thing, like as well that I get worried about the price of things.

628
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,200
And weddings, uh, the prices are astronomical.

629
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:17,160
I mean, also, yeah, we had, um, we did have a church wedding, but our party was at my

630
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,160
parents' house.

631
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,160
Yeah.

632
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,040
So did, was it a church you went to growing up or?

633
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,040
Yeah.

634
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,320
So they knew you as well.

635
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,320
Yes.

636
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,320
So it makes it a little bit easier.

637
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,320
Oh yes.

638
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:34,280
Uh, and that's why I, you know, we, we chose, um, that church and it was really nice actually

639
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,080
being back because I, I, you know, went to church and I kind of felt like a celebrity,

640
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,480
honestly, because it's, uh, you know, all the older women, especially who haven't, hadn't

641
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,480
seen me for four years.

642
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,480
I'm like, Oh, not that lucky.

643
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,480
You know, you, you know, you look exactly the same.

644
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:55,560
And, you know, then meeting, you know, AJ and having like that community, but it was

645
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,200
again, just like a few older people and some of the church community.

646
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,200
And that was really nice.

647
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,360
And then the, the after party actually was even more intimate.

648
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:12,600
It was literally just my friends and family, like cousins, um, and you know, aunts and

649
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,600
uncles.

650
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Yeah.

651
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:15,600
That was it.

652
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,600
Wow.

653
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Yeah.

654
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,600
Yeah.

655
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,960
And talking about, you know, cheap, we wanted, I mean, we don't have a ton of money at the

656
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,760
moment, especially since, you know, we just traveled to Greece and now we're traveling

657
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,760
around Australia.

658
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480
So I was about to say like shrinking.

659
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,480
Oh yes.

660
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,920
Uh, so we had to do things as cheaply as possible.

661
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:45,640
And I mean, my, um, so we keep talking about how, you know, we would update certain things

662
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,200
maybe in the future when we, you know, we have a bit more money.

663
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:56,800
Cause I mean, my wedding band is also is from Etsy and it's like silver, um, and was $15.

664
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Can I just say, I love that.

665
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,640
I love that you think like me and you know, but I look at that and I don't think of that

666
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,720
because anyone who can't see that it's actually gorgeous.

667
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,720
It's so sweet.

668
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,760
It's very, you know, it's, it's simple.

669
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,440
Yeah, it's elegant, but it also like, what's the gym?

670
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:21,080
Um, I'm, I mean, I believe the gym is a, is a diamond and then the little gems are amethyst

671
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,600
cause that's my, um, oh, you're birthstone.

672
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,600
Lovely.

673
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,800
Um, cause like the toss up between us was like, I love Ruby.

674
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,880
Um, Ruby is like one of my favorite.

675
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,040
If I had to think, my like is, um, oh, amethyst or something.

676
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,040
I'm a February baby.

677
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,800
So yeah, so it would be amethyst and I love amethyst color, but I've always been attracted

678
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,520
to the Ruby color and it was, we went to Prouds, which is also another great jewelers.

679
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Um, and they had a band, which I think if it was a wedding ring, absolutely would pay

680
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,960
like it was about $300.

681
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:59,000
I was like, okay, yes, I probably pay that much for those.

682
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,720
I am talking about seeing people wearing things that I would, you know, like the most expensive

683
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:08,160
thing that I own on my finger is this, which is a Tiffany and co thing.

684
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,200
And I got it for a 30th birthday present.

685
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,320
My mom got it for me.

686
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,520
It is about $700.

687
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,800
It's and I'm like, it is made of like, you know, proper silver.

688
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

689
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:26,240
But I would, but I'm like everything else on my fingers, 50, 20, like 10, like, you

690
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,160
know, actually, no, this was free.

691
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,920
Like, you know, like the thing is I'm, when it comes to jewelry, I never think, oh, I

692
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,920
need to buy something expensive.

693
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,240
As long as it looks aesthetically nice.

694
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:43,720
It's why I, you know, like Emily and I thrift all the time, like thrifting is the best thing.

695
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:56,880
So speaking of bargains, actually my, so the, my wedding dress, tell me all I, when I first

696
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,120
bought it, it was, I mean, more than I would have liked to have spent, but it was over

697
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,120
$2,000.

698
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:11,400
I know for, I know people who spend 50,000 and more, you know, for a struggling, you

699
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,760
know, artists, you know, trying to look, you know, their best.

700
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,600
I was like, all righty, yeah, like there's a lot of money, but I'm going to do it.

701
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,600
Here's my mortgage.

702
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:30,720
But it was again, during COVID and I thought I had bought the right size because that's

703
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:37,400
what the lady told me at the store would be like, I'm a size, whatever, it doesn't matter.

704
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,520
And then one day I decided, I guess I should try the dress on now that I've had it for

705
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,160
like over a month.

706
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,720
I should try it on to see, like to make sure that it fits.

707
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,960
And lo and behold, it did not fit.

708
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,220
It was, it was too small.

709
00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:55,980
So I had to return it.

710
00:40:55,980 --> 00:41:03,040
And even though I was outside of the return policy because of COVID, they allowed it.

711
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,400
And then I realized that the dress had gone on sale.

712
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,920
And you know, I kept telling myself, well, now is the time to buy it.

713
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,880
Now is the time to buy it, you know, in my, the right size.

714
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,240
And I kept putting it off and then the dress went on sale further.

715
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,360
And I was like, okay, well now this is the sign.

716
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Like I need to buy it now.

717
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,520
And it went on like a final sale.

718
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,520
How much was it?

719
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,000
I think it was 399.

720
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,920
So from over 2000 down to 399.

721
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,400
And I said, okay, I need to buy it now.

722
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,400
It's now or never.

723
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,520
And I went to go buy it and it was sold out.

724
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Yep.

725
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Yep.

726
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,920
And it was the most, you know, sad thing.

727
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,480
I was like, well, I found my perfect dress and now I'll never get to wear it.

728
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,800
So I had to, I kept checking because I called them and they said that no, they have none

729
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,800
in stock.

730
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,000
The only way you'd get it is if someone else returned it and I would check every single

731
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000
day.

732
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,800
And one day my size got returned, you know, obviously.

733
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,160
And I bought it immediately.

734
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,600
So it was a happy.

735
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,960
But did you still pay 2000?

736
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,480
No, no, I paid 399.

737
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,480
That's insane.

738
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,480
Yeah.

739
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,960
So from over 2000, I think it was like 2800, I ended up paying like $400.

740
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,960
That's nuts.

741
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,960
I know.

742
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,040
I, I was so happy.

743
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,880
I mean, I was very stressed when they didn't have it, but you know, it was, it was sad

744
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,880
to be ending.

745
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,880
Cause how far away was your wedding at that point?

746
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,760
Well, we didn't really know because it was during, you know, we had to keep postponing.

747
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,080
So initially, actually, no, I guess we did.

748
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:57,440
We didn't know it was going to be July, July 29th, I want to say.

749
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Wow.

750
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,440
Okay.

751
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,440
Yeah.

752
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,440
And this was 2020 at this point?

753
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,440
Yeah.

754
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Yeah.

755
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,800
So you officially got married in 2021.

756
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,800
Did you?

757
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,920
No, actually we got married in 2020, um, August 6th.

758
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,920
Wow.

759
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Yeah.

760
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,640
Just cause we had to keep postponing, but we couldn't postpone it any longer.

761
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,040
Otherwise we, we would have been separated.

762
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Um, but actually, so that dress, um, I ended up wearing to the church wedding here in Australia

763
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:36,680
and the, the first dress that I wore at our American, uh, civil wedding, um, I found at

764
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Goodwill.

765
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Yeah.

766
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:45,280
For, I think, uh, $20, which was also, you know, very cool, kind of funky.

767
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,240
Um, but yeah.

768
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,000
I love a good bargain.

769
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Yeah.

770
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
I love that.

771
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Yeah.

772
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Look at you finding bargain.

773
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
I'm very proud of myself.

774
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,680
I mean, like Emily's not telling me what wedding dress she's wearing, but she's getting it

775
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,680
off Etsy.

776
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,480
So, you know, that's all I know is she's found an Etsy dress and she is very excited.

777
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Um, I'm very like, I, I, I don't fit all my old suits anymore, which is very sad because

778
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,720
I've, I've gained this thing called weight since I turned 30.

779
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,000
I just, I've expanded.

780
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,640
But it's funny because like, you know, when you get older and you said like your weight

781
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,880
fluctuates, you don't like fit anything you did as a teenager.

782
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,560
And I think I just, um, I guess came to terms with it.

783
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,220
And cause I would always try and fit into things that just did not fit me anymore.

784
00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:36,160
And I said, what is the point?

785
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:42,840
Like I'm not going down to like my year 10 size, you know, like when I was 13 or 15,

786
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,160
you know, like I'm, I'll never be that small.

787
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,200
So why am I holding onto these clothes?

788
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,000
So yeah, I just got rid of actually a whole bunch of stuff.

789
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000
It felt good.

790
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Yeah.

791
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Cause I realized like I used to wear a lot of small t-shirts, like, you know, and now

792
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,400
I can only fit mediums because my, my chest is just now much older.

793
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,000
And it's one of those things that I was like all my old jeans.

794
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,200
Um, and I, and it happened to me in the, like the last, you know, six months as well.

795
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,640
Like I've got jeans from last year that no longer fit me.

796
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,640
I bought last year.

797
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,440
I'm like, how did that happen?

798
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,720
But yeah, there's like a suit that I bought like three years ago that does no longer fit

799
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:21,720
me.

800
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,720
Like it doesn't even button up.

801
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,960
Um, I can't even get the pants to, you know, cause it like, you know, when you go to the

802
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,840
gym or something, you just, it's this wonderful thing of you gain muscle and then you can't

803
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,640
do anything about it.

804
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,720
Um, so no, I don't miss the days where I had pipe cleaner legs, um, you know, and couldn't

805
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:40,720
fit anything.

806
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:49,360
And so AJ is also a pretty, uh, slender man and he actually, he struggles to find, um,

807
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,760
well, he, we struggled to find a good fitting suit for him because he's just, he's just

808
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,760
a little too skinny.

809
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:04,760
Um, and, but he does want to bulk up, but for the wedding, we found a perfectly fitting

810
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,760
suit and it like, it fits him perfectly.

811
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:16,760
But now he's worried that, well, when he starts going to the gym and trying to bulk up it,

812
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,240
you know, unfortunately that is, unfortunately that's the way, isn't it?

813
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,120
Um, I'd, you could sell it.

814
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Yeah.

815
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,760
Say once you zone, I know, but then I just keep it in the wedding.

816
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:36,040
Um, I mean like, yeah, I think my, uh, my parents have some old clothes, but it's funny

817
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,000
because, you know, like, yeah, it's, it always is funny when you look at old clothes and

818
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,120
you go, I'll never fit this anymore.

819
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,720
I'll never fit this.

820
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:50,320
And I, you know, but then you look at old like, oh, it's, yeah, it's the same.

821
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,960
Like Emily's had the same issue where she doesn't fit old jeans or old skirts anymore.

822
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520
And it's just like, oh yeah, we changed shape.

823
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,520
You kind of forget about it.

824
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,720
Do you, do you worry like, because you've taken a break from acting as well, what's

825
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,400
your plans to get back into it now when you return?

826
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,400
Yeah, yeah.

827
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:13,800
So after, um, after our time here, uh, we'll be going back to Wisconsin for a bit and then

828
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,040
we're planning on moving to Chicago.

829
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Yes.

830
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Um, and Chicago is not say as big in acting as LA is or New York, um, or maybe like Atlanta.

831
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,680
I think Atlanta, Georgia is getting very, um,

832
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,720
Atlanta has a lot of film scenes.

833
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:32,720
Yeah.

834
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:38,800
Um, but Chicago I feel has a good mix of both, you know, it's, it's a, on a smaller scale.

835
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Um, but we both come from a theater background and Chicago has decent theater.

836
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,000
So yeah.

837
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,960
And plus AJ has, um, family there.

838
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,240
So we have some connections to Chicago, which will be, will be nice.

839
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,760
But yes, the plan is to get back into it.

840
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,760
I miss it.

841
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,760
Yeah.

842
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,760
Yeah.

843
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:07,360
And I think it's something, I mean, I've, yeah, I've always wanted to do it and I feel

844
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,880
as though I haven't, I haven't given it my all yet, you know, like I started to, and

845
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,880
then I stopped.

846
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:23,840
Um, but I haven't like put in the sweat, you know, yet, you know, like I want to before

847
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,640
I, um, even though I don't think I'll ever give it up, you know, I always want to be

848
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,600
creative in some way.

849
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:39,760
Um, just because I am a very creative, um, person, but yeah, I need to, I'm not, I'm

850
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,280
not done with it yet.

851
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:48,720
Do you feel like, you know, that now you're getting older and older, um, that you've sort

852
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,440
of missed opportunities because of COVID as well?

853
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,080
Um, yeah, probably.

854
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Probably.

855
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,080
Um, but.

856
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:07,680
Yeah, I'm, I'm, actually that is a bit sad thinking about it.

857
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,200
I didn't really think about that.

858
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,320
It wasn't meant to make you feel sad.

859
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,320
No, no, but you're right.

860
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,840
And I do think that, yeah, I've probably missed, you know, a few windows of, you know, now

861
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:30,120
I can, my age bracket is probably, you know, 25 to 30, not like 17 to 25, but you know,

862
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,560
like, so, and I missed all those little, you know, I could play high school, you know,

863
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:35,560
now I probably.

864
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,680
Can play a young adult.

865
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,520
I mean, it's interesting as well, because I feel like the, the demographic towards women

866
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,880
and, and aging is, is very problematic.

867
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Like it's still to this day, like, you know, unless you're Meryl Streep or Halle Maron

868
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,520
or somewhere like that.

869
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,800
It's like, oh, that's right.

870
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,800
Yeah.

871
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,280
You show one wrinkle and it's like, sorry, you're out.

872
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,120
Like you can't do this anymore.

873
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Like how, how are you with that?

874
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,960
Because like theater background and stuff, do you want to get into film?

875
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,280
Is that your like as well?

876
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Yeah, I'd like to.

877
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,280
And that's why I chose LA, you know, three years ago.

878
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:19,000
I moved there because I wanted to get more into film and TV.

879
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Yeah.

880
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,720
And yeah, they're not forgiving at all.

881
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:29,760
Like they do, especially for women, like you said, it's.

882
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,760
Yeah.

883
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:31,760
Yeah.

884
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,840
Whereas I think theater, and that's why I kind of want to get back into theater because

885
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:44,560
it can be, you know, you can be 30 and play a 25 year old or like, you know, even a young

886
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,720
twenties person and you can get away with it.

887
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:53,080
Cause what's the, what's the genres that you like to steer towards?

888
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,720
What are the things that you love?

889
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:55,720
Comedy.

890
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,080
I mean, I love everything.

891
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:07,240
I just feel for some, and maybe it's, I feel as though my coping mechanisms in real life

892
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,840
are also, I don't love, I don't like confrontation.

893
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:17,960
You know, I don't, you know, when someone gets angry at me, I'll find a way to like,

894
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,120
make light of it and giggle.

895
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Yeah.

896
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Yeah.

897
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,000
I'm so that's why I think I enjoy comedy.

898
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,760
Cause it's kind of my, yeah.

899
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,840
And it's my, what's it called?

900
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,920
My, the default, you know, I just fall into that, you know, it could be a serious moment,

901
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,760
you know, we could be crying and I'll start laughing, you know, because I don't know,

902
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,680
that's the way that I am, I guess.

903
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,320
But yeah, comedy.

904
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Do you think, cause like you went to Newtown Performing Arts School, which is a great school

905
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,600
and chaos school.

906
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Yes.

907
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,600
It's a very chaotic school.

908
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,600
A lot of people have come out of there and it's chaos.

909
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:06,760
But yeah, like it encourages a lot of people to take risks as well in terms of acting,

910
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:13,000
which you know, and the fact that you also studying Wollongong and you know, I think

911
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,960
it's very interesting because like, you know, there's actors and then there's actors.

912
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,080
And I think there's a, you know, people, people who don't know what that means are very two

913
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,060
different things, which is like, I feel like people who come in and you know, Newtown Performing

914
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:32,000
Arts School tend to be the actor, like the actual proper thing.

915
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,000
Yeah.

916
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:38,280
And it's a very, like there's some of the stuff that I was seeing there is quite heavy,

917
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,720
very heavy, like some of the content, especially for like teenagers to do.

918
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,720
And I was like thinking, how is that appropriate?

919
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,840
Cause like, you know, you're talking about like sex and drugs and you know, like.

920
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,840
Do you know the play Black Rock?

921
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,840
Yes.

922
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,840
Yeah.

923
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,400
We did that in year 10, I want to say.

924
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,160
Is that the one which I'm thinking of, which is the Heath Ledger movie?

925
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,800
The one where the girl gets murdered?

926
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,800
Yeah.

927
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,800
She gets raped and murdered.

928
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,800
Yeah.

929
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,360
And it's like, that's a very line.

930
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,360
I remember that.

931
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,360
Yeah.

932
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,800
That was, it's great play.

933
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,800
Yeah, it is.

934
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,800
Great play, but it's, it's heart wrenching.

935
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:26,920
And for high schoolers, it's just, it doesn't seem, I mean, it is their age group.

936
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:35,400
I think the kids in the play are kids, you know, they're in 15, 16, 17 and 18 years old.

937
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,400
Yeah.

938
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:43,360
You know, so it makes sense, but boy, is it heavy and disturbing and you're playing, yeah,

939
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,880
like the friend of the girl who got, you know, raped and murdered.

940
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,880
Yeah.

941
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,480
And I think it's like, you know, whenever I think about like stories that particularly

942
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,440
have like, you know, sexual assault or anything like that and are portrayed by young people,

943
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,560
you know, and having known people who've been survivors of actual sexual assault, it could

944
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,960
be quite triggering.

945
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,160
I think it's like, a prime example, I keep thinking of the Nightingale, which has, is

946
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,880
Jennifer Kent's film.

947
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:17,520
And that has quite a gruesome scene, which is where a child gets killed and the mother

948
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,980
gets sexually assaulted and raped and a husband gets murdered.

949
00:54:21,980 --> 00:54:22,980
Like it's awful.

950
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:26,920
Like you don't sit there and go, this is great.

951
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,840
But you know, it's one of those things that it's so heavy.

952
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,560
And I think the main actor was like 22, like 21, 22.

953
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,560
So it's like quite heavy for a young performer.

954
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,680
But you know, like we're doing it with teenagers and stuff.

955
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,400
And I think it's interesting because like all my friends who have come out of like,

956
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,520
you know, I think it's the inner west vibe as well.

957
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:54,080
There's something about the inner west where we, I'm going to say very bluntly, we're

958
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,080
fucked.

959
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,840
We're all very fucked kind of people.

960
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:03,800
But it's sort of, I feel like there's something about growing up in the inner west, because

961
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,360
whereabouts did you grow up?

962
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,920
Well, so when we first moved to Australia, I lived in Newtown.

963
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,280
We lived here for a few months.

964
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,280
And then I lived in Elwood.

965
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,280
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

966
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,280
Because I mean, like.

967
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,680
Marrickville, yeah.

968
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Yeah, Elwood's nice.

969
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,280
Marrickville is kind of a little interesting.

970
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,080
But yeah, like, you know, I remember growing up here and I grew up in Stanmore.

971
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,920
So it was like, you know, like in between going to, because I went to end up public

972
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,240
school and then I went to Leichhardt.

973
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:39,240
One of the other schools that we were offered was Newtown Performing Arts School.

974
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:43,040
I think we were just like, my parents didn't know what to do.

975
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,960
And I think I was very determined to go to Leichhardt High School because I knew a friend

976
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,960
there.

977
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,640
So I was like, if I hadn't gone there, I probably would have gone to Newtown Performing.

978
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,800
But because we knew everyone was like, everyone has been in the vicinity.

979
00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,320
But I just remember there was a lot of like, a lot of like, in the 90s and early 2000s,

980
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,160
there was a lot of crime around here.

981
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,160
Oh, yeah.

982
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,160
So much crime.

983
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,200
And I think it just made everyone a little bit kind of edgy and disturbed.

984
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:17,920
Because it's funny as well, because I think that I've always been attracted to like dark

985
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:24,760
stories, like, and I'm particularly like comedic tones with like dark underlings.

986
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,560
Yeah, I like that too.

987
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,560
Yeah.

988
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:33,360
And you know, with a happy trying to stay positive about bleak, bleak outlet.

989
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:41,840
And like, do you sort of see yourself like wanting to, I guess, go into that sort of

990
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:47,680
like more due to experiences and like growing up in the West and you know, and the craziness

991
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,720
that was Newtown Performing High School by going into more dramatic roles eventually,

992
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:53,720
or like dark undertones?

993
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:54,720
Oh, for sure.

994
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:55,720
Yeah.

995
00:56:55,720 --> 00:57:03,680
I do love a good, you know, dark comedy or drama, for sure.

996
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,120
I would love to get into that.

997
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:13,200
And I, not that, not necessarily, what's her face?

998
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,240
You know, the joke is, um, oh, Margot Robbie, like Harley Quinn, Harley Quinn, you know,

999
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:27,800
maybe not someone like that, but I've always been fascinated with, um, like the Joker or,

1000
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,320
I don't know, that's, you know, very, I feel as though everyone's kind of like, yes, every

1001
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,880
actor is like, I'd love to play the Joker.

1002
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:41,080
Um, but, um, or, you know, Ameri-, have you seen the movie American Psycho?

1003
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Yes.

1004
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,080
Like that Christian Bale?

1005
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,080
Yeah.

1006
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,080
Yeah.

1007
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,680
Like that kind of, you know, twisted character.

1008
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,760
I love the scene where he's running down a hallway naked with a chainsaw, like literally

1009
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,760
about to murder people.

1010
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,760
It's great.

1011
00:57:52,760 --> 00:58:01,400
So it would be, um, fun, is not the right word, but I would love to explore a character

1012
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,400
like that.

1013
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:09,440
Um, but see how it's still, it's not, it doesn't have comedy, but it's, all the characters

1014
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:16,480
that I'm talking about are kind of, um, uh, not fully serious, you know?

1015
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:22,280
Like I'm always drawn to, you know, even when I do want to play something more dramatic

1016
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,480
and serious, there's an aspect of, you know.

1017
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,480
Undertone.

1018
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,480
Yes.

1019
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,480
Yes.

1020
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,480
I mean, isn't that the way as well?

1021
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,760
Like it's, it's performance-based, you know, you want to play the villain, but the villains

1022
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,760
tend to be the most multifaceted.

1023
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,760
Yeah.

1024
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,760
Yeah, I know.

1025
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,120
Why is that?

1026
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,120
I have no idea.

1027
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,600
I think it's, I think it's like the, you know, the way that people write them, because

1028
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,800
like our heroines always are just very boring.

1029
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,800
Yeah.

1030
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,400
Like, who wants to play that?

1031
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,400
Give me the, uh, yeah.

1032
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,400
Give me the Joker.

1033
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Give me, I'm looking at, um, Beetlejuice right now.

1034
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,360
Yeah, no, I like a little Beetlejuice.

1035
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:03,100
I mean, like Michael Keaton also is a fantastic, phenomenal actor, like, um, who's done a,

1036
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:07,760
but I mean, like, you know, like I look at Margot Robbie's career, you know, because

1037
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,800
she's played like Harley Quinn.

1038
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,240
And I think that as an actor, she has kind of done her own stuff.

1039
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,240
And I, um, if anyone's seen I, Tonya, go and watch it.

1040
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,240
It's a great movie.

1041
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,240
So good.

1042
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,240
Um, it's so messy.

1043
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,160
Like it's such a messy life.

1044
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,600
Um, and I love how, like, I think Margot Robbie said in the interview, she was like, the problem

1045
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,360
was doing this film was no one was giving us an honest, true story.

1046
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,320
Like everyone had their own version of what actually happened.

1047
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,560
And she was like, that's why we left it like really vague to actually what, like it was

1048
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,960
told through very fractured ideology and lenses.

1049
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:48,400
Um, all we know was that, you know, the opponent's legs were broken, um, or a kneecap was bludgeoned

1050
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,400
in.

1051
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,400
It was awful.

1052
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,400
It was awful event.

1053
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,600
I can't believe this actually happened.

1054
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,800
Um, but you know, like, I think like I love twisted characters.

1055
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,760
I always think they're fun to write.

1056
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,600
They're fun to direct and they're fun to like portray.

1057
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:11,280
Um, I mean, as an actor now, especially like.

1058
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,680
Is there anything you wouldn't do?

1059
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:18,600
Because I feel like Newtown performing arts makes it very impossible to not do anything.

1060
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Oh dear.

1061
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,000
Is that a good thing?

1062
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000
I don't know.

1063
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,680
I feel like it's like, um, it was definitely when we went to school, there was less of

1064
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,400
a, you know, it was during the area where I guess like the me too movement and the whole

1065
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,720
work safety thing hadn't really fallen in place as heavily as it had now.

1066
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,040
Um, do you feel like there's a lot of roles that you wouldn't play now or do you think

1067
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,520
you'd be game for almost anything?

1068
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,520
Hmm.

1069
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Um, I want to say I would be game for almost, um, everything.

1070
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:03,640
I don't know if, um, and maybe this is just me, but I'm not very confident in, you know,

1071
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,480
my body or, um, so I wouldn't necessarily.

1072
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:20,360
I don't know if I, it would be tough for me to play like an overtly sexual woman.

1073
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Um, I think it would be very, uh, fun, but nerve wracking character to, um, to dive into

1074
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,000
because I'm just, and I mean, that's why I love acting.

1075
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,200
And I have played, um, characters like that in the past, but on a small scale, so kind

1076
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:47,720
of like, uh, you know, an audit, an audition scene, you know, or like a, a scene study

1077
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,640
class, you know, I've been given a, a character who's very like, you know, like a prostitute

1078
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:57,440
who's trying to seduce a man and it's very, um, not me.

1079
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,560
And so I think that is kind of the most uncomfortable character.

1080
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:12,440
Um, yeah, so it would be more difficult for me to, um, play someone like that, but I think

1081
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,240
I would do it, um, because it would be a challenge.

1082
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:25,120
So no, I don't know if there would be anything I, I wouldn't want to do, but again, I haven't

1083
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,120
really thought about it.

1084
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,120
Yeah.

1085
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Cause I always, I always get intrigued by what people wouldn't do.

1086
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,480
Cause I don't think there's a character that I wouldn't play.

1087
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,040
It would just be bad writing.

1088
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,040
Yeah.

1089
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,920
It would have to be very bad writing for me.

1090
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:39,920
Not exactly.

1091
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:47,400
Um, like, I dunno, there's a lot of like independent art out there, which is terrible.

1092
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,200
But I mean, like, have you noticed a massive difference between now, like, um, you know,

1093
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,680
the, the independent scene in America versus the independent scene in Australia as well?

1094
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,600
Like which, which side do you prefer?

1095
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:06,040
So I don't really know the independent scene here.

1096
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,880
So I can't, I can't really say.

1097
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,880
You left before or something?

1098
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,360
Yeah, I did.

1099
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:21,920
Um, my cousin actually, um, small plug, um, but he, uh, he created a short film called

1100
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,920
mate.

1101
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,120
Um, and it's been doing really well.

1102
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:32,760
Um, been traveling around and going to, um, different, um, film festivals.

1103
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,520
Um, and I'm very, very proud of him.

1104
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:43,120
So I, you know, that's more independent, you know, that was a small scale, you know, um,

1105
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,120
short film.

1106
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:53,360
And I feel as though, correct me if I'm wrong, but Australian independent films do seem to

1107
01:03:53,360 --> 01:04:02,560
be more, um, uh, gritty, you know, gritty, maybe a little, um, not necessarily darker

1108
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:11,200
because some, you know, Americans, you know, love to pretty, you know, dark, um, films,

1109
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:17,160
but, uh, yeah, gritty and more, um, uh, disturbing potentially.

1110
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:25,600
Yeah, I don't know if disturbing is the right word, whether I'm thinking about, but there's

1111
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:36,320
always an, an element I feel as though in general, Americans do like to be more light

1112
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,320
hearted.

1113
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,320
Yeah.

1114
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,280
Australian cinema does take itself quite seriously.

1115
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Yeah.

1116
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,280
Yeah.

1117
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:49,720
Again, I don't really know much of the independent scene here, so I'm not sure.

1118
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,680
It's interesting as well, because I have this conversation with a lot of people and a lot

1119
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,880
of, there was a period of time, which was when Marvel Studios, I think was moving a

1120
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,880
lot of its productions to Australia because of the pandemic.

1121
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,160
And now it's like fading again.

1122
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,520
It came in and went like a feeling.

1123
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:11,920
And I feel like the only reason was a couple of big names were able to kind of push a lot

1124
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,360
of work here, which meant there was a lot of work.

1125
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:20,080
Um, but there is no, like the independent art scene is so hard.

1126
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,080
Yeah.

1127
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:26,280
Um, unless you kind of already made it, it's really very hard to get an original out there.

1128
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,080
That's what I've heard, especially here.

1129
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:35,600
It's a very, um, um, actually my cousin, um, it was, um, talking about how it has like

1130
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,320
the scene was booming.

1131
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:43,840
The entertainment industry was, um, you know, really, you know, um, uppity, you know, like

1132
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,840
exciting.

1133
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,120
And now it's kind of fizzled again.

1134
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:54,240
So I wonder if that's because, you know, the, a lot of studios and people from the States

1135
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:59,680
came, um, and, you know, worked on some things here, but now they've gone back.

1136
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,400
So I wonder if that's why, um, really?

1137
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,400
Yeah.

1138
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:04,400
Yeah.

1139
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,320
I mean, they probably went, oh, I want to be home again with my family.

1140
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:14,240
I mean, it is very much the case because Australia during its summer is awful to film in and

1141
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,160
during its winter is the best time.

1142
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,160
Yeah.

1143
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,520
Um, because summer is just where all the tourists come.

1144
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,160
Um, but we have a great summer box office.

1145
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,840
So we, we get a lot of people coming in and bums on the seats to go.

1146
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:26,840
Yeah.

1147
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,840
Um, I mean, like there is a lot of interest in Australia, like in terms of marketing and

1148
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,920
stuff, we, we make up a fair amount of like profit for movies and television.

1149
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,480
So Australia is a huge bonus.

1150
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:44,760
Um, but it is interesting because yeah, like most of the stuff that comes out of Australia

1151
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:50,600
are like, if it wasn't like Muriel's wedding, you know, if people don't, you know, remember

1152
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,800
that, um, you're a terrible Muriel.

1153
01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:00,560
Um, you know, like if you don't remember cult classics like that, it's kind of like, you

1154
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,680
know, it kind of fizzles out.

1155
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:09,920
And I feel like even the films that are made here, like the big names, they are set in

1156
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:10,920
America.

1157
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:11,920
They aren't set in Australia.

1158
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,560
They aren't, but like we're in Australia, like they're elsewhere.

1159
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,160
And well, it's fine.

1160
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,840
It is a little disappointing because it kind of doesn't showcase and, and they tend to

1161
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,080
use already big names.

1162
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,760
I think there's the problem I find with Australian industry is there's so much talent here, but

1163
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,040
there's no room to let people grow.

1164
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:41,400
I yeah, I've seen that it's a very, um, like the, the two people who work are the only

1165
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:47,040
two people that are getting work, you know, and there are, I do know of a lot of talented

1166
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,240
people here that are just not seeing the light of day.

1167
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,240
Yeah.

1168
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,560
No, I mean, like was that when you moved, was that an intent, um, like a thing for you?

1169
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,400
Were you just like, I'm not going to get work here and I want to go and move overseas or

1170
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,000
is it a very much, I just want to go and explore.

1171
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:08,260
So I didn't really give Australia an opportunity.

1172
01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:14,260
And actually I was told by a lot of people like, why are you moving to America?

1173
01:08:14,260 --> 01:08:16,480
Why aren't you like trying acting here?

1174
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:22,480
Cause I did one short film here and I moved.

1175
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:29,880
So, uh, I think it was just, I wanted a change of scene.

1176
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:35,400
Um, and you know, um, there are so many people who go to LA, you know, I need to go to LA.

1177
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:36,880
I need to be in Hollywood.

1178
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,120
Um, and I think I had that kind of vision in my head, you know, like I'm going to go

1179
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,600
to LA, go to a school and then make it there.

1180
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:51,800
And of course that's also ridiculous because the industry there, um, see, I don't know

1181
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:58,760
what's better because the industry in LA is huge and there's constantly stuff, you know,

1182
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:59,760
happening.

1183
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:07,040
Um, and you know, there's good, um, student, um, yeah, film schools, um, that are producing

1184
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,560
pretty good, um, short films.

1185
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:14,400
Um, so I don't know if it's better to be there where the industry is huge, but you're

1186
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:21,720
also fighting, um, for a seat, you know, among hundreds of other people who look, you know,

1187
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,320
look similar to you.

1188
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:29,960
Or if it's better here because it is a, such as smaller scale, the only difference is,

1189
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:36,040
is, you know, there's not a ton of work and the little bit of work that there is, is constantly

1190
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,040
given to the same people.

1191
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:42,060
So, yeah, it's tough.

1192
01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:43,280
It's tough regardless.

1193
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,000
It's not an easy, um, career path.

1194
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,000
That's for sure.

1195
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,040
No, it's, it's like, this is why I went to the States.

1196
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:59,280
Um, I mean like, yeah, cause, cause that's, I feel like you haven't missed out.

1197
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,160
I don't think you've missed out.

1198
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:07,680
I mean, I think it's, it's whatever your calling is, I realize.

1199
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,640
Like whatever you feel like is the right move for you because you know, your theater trained

1200
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,880
and hopefully, you know, with Chicago, you're able to get some film work and stuff and you

1201
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,720
know, fly around, um, depending where the work is.

1202
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:29,480
Um, but I mean, with Australia in the film industry, it hasn't got much of a film industry.

1203
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:31,480
It's got a bit of a theater scene.

1204
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:34,040
Melbourne's got more of a theater scene than Sydney does.

1205
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,160
Melbourne does have much more of a theater scene and probably film scene.

1206
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:42,040
Cause you know, just it, I think there's a lot more to Melbourne than there is to Sydney.

1207
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:47,800
Um, but I feel like there are some productions that have come to Australia, which are great.

1208
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,680
We have a great musical scene though.

1209
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,640
Like for some reason, the Capitol is huge.

1210
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,640
Yeah.

1211
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,920
Um, and there's a lot of musicals that just pop out of Australia, which is weird.

1212
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,840
I know, but I, I've seen that as well.

1213
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:08,160
There's a, I, I can not remember any names today, but uh, yeah.

1214
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:13,360
Well, like you said, the music here is, there's a lot of good indie artists.

1215
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,360
Yeah.

1216
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:15,360
Yeah.

1217
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:21,360
I mean, do you ever think that you do musicals?

1218
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,480
I would love to.

1219
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,640
I just don't think I'm a very good singer.

1220
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,640
I'm okay.

1221
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,120
You know, I can hit, I can hit notes.

1222
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:35,080
Um, but I don't have that, you know, trained and cause these people, the musical people

1223
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:39,000
are trained since they were babies.

1224
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,520
You know, they have incredible voices and I think you're supposed to be a pretty good

1225
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,520
dancer as well.

1226
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,520
And I'm a goofy dancer.

1227
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:47,520
So you're uncoordinated.

1228
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,520
Is this what you're admitting?

1229
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,520
I wouldn't say uncoordinated.

1230
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:57,520
I just, you know, I have my own style, you know, it's when you see me dance, it's like,

1231
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,360
oh yeah, there's Natalie dancing, you know, she's in her own world.

1232
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,360
Just enjoying.

1233
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,840
I'm not, uh, I don't, I don't follow the rules.

1234
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:06,840
You know, I love that.

1235
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,920
I'm very, would you describe yourself?

1236
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,920
Would you describe yourself as chaotic?

1237
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:12,920
Yeah.

1238
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,920
Yes, I would.

1239
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:14,920
Very much so.

1240
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:19,200
But hey, I came from Newtown High, so yeah, I know.

1241
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,720
I was like, that's a normal thing.

1242
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,600
I, what was it like?

1243
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,720
So whereabouts were you born?

1244
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,240
I was born in Thessaloniki, Greece.

1245
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,240
Wow.

1246
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,300
Was that just by circumstance?

1247
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:37,360
So my mom is a Greek, but she was, she was born in Greece, but grew up here.

1248
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,840
My father is Aussie, you know, as Aussie as it gets.

1249
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:47,600
Uh, but they got married here, then moved back to Greece, um, cause my grandfather was,

1250
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:48,600
um, dying.

1251
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:54,000
Um, and, uh, then I was born and my two siblings were born.

1252
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,160
Um, yeah.

1253
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,200
And then we lived, I grew up there.

1254
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,080
Um, we moved when I was 13 years old.

1255
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,080
Wow.

1256
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,080
Wow.

1257
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:04,080
So that's quite a while in Greece.

1258
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

1259
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:15,080
And then lived here for 11 or 12 years.

1260
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,480
And then I moved to America.

1261
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:20,240
So really every, um, 10 or so years I moved to another country.

1262
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:21,240
Um, yeah.

1263
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,240
So where's it going to be next?

1264
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,240
I don't know.

1265
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:24,240
Yes.

1266
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,240
I don't know.

1267
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,360
I'm thinking, I was thinking somewhere in Europe, maybe France.

1268
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:29,360
I don't know.

1269
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,360
Oh, that would be nice.

1270
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,200
10 years in, 10 years in France, but you know, you could really go something there.

1271
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,200
How good's your French?

1272
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,880
Uh, non good.

1273
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,960
Non good?

1274
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:41,960
Non good.

1275
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,280
I don't remember the basic phrase.

1276
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,840
No, no, no.

1277
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:52,100
I know my French lesson has just disappeared.

1278
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:53,760
J'appelle Nathalie.

1279
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,160
Oh, that's pretty good actually.

1280
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:04,440
That I, I mean, I mean, like I've, I've been to, I've never been to like France, but I've

1281
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:08,080
been to the French speaking South of Canada.

1282
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,080
Yeah.

1283
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,080
That's, um, that's Quebec.

1284
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,080
Quebec.

1285
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,080
Yeah.

1286
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,080
Yeah.

1287
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,080
Um, Quebec and Montreal.

1288
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:20,200
So there's Quebec city and Montreal and by the beautiful, like, um, Montreal is a bit

1289
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,200
of a more bilingual.

1290
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:28,640
Um, uh, Quebec is very like, you go past the touristy border and then suddenly no one speaks

1291
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,640
English.

1292
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,640
Oh, really?

1293
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:31,640
Everyone speaks French.

1294
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,280
It's not even like French French because the, there's such a debate on the internet.

1295
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,280
It's so funny.

1296
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:45,160
But because of the way that Canada was set up, the French that they speak in Quebec,

1297
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,960
in the French speaking South of Canada is not proper French.

1298
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:52,600
It's like a, you know, the French call it a bastardized version of what it is.

1299
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,760
So it's not proper proper.

1300
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,800
And yeah, you do have to kind of like learn a little bit like of what people are saying

1301
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:05,800
because it's like, if you studied basic French, you would not understand a word.

1302
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,960
But it is, it's like having been there for like, I was staying there for about a week.

1303
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:11,960
It was really nice.

1304
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,960
Like, um, we'd do it again.

1305
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:19,440
And like, you know, when obviously I live in Canada, I get to go there.

1306
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:25,400
Um, you know, but I do, I do like love that idea because having lived in Sydney for 30

1307
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,240
years, Sydney is not very exciting.

1308
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,400
Yeah, I've been back.

1309
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,160
I mean, it is a beautiful city, you know, it really is.

1310
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,440
And the people are nice.

1311
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:47,480
Um, but it, it's very, it's very expensive and yeah, I don't know being back.

1312
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:57,280
I don't know what it has to offer besides, I mean, decent weather and pretty views.

1313
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:02,800
It's just like, it seems very expensive for not a good enough reason, you know, cause

1314
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:08,240
it's not like San Francisco where it's, you know, it's the tech, you know, the tech, um,

1315
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:16,560
um, giant, or, you know, New York, you have Broadway and like, you know, all these different,

1316
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:22,600
you know, places, LA has Hollywood, um, you know, Melbourne has, like you said, a better

1317
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,720
entertainment scene than Sydney.

1318
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,880
It's like, well, what does Sydney actually have to offer?

1319
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,080
I mean, the more I live here, the less I know.

1320
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,240
It's yeah, I feel like it's nice.

1321
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,160
It's been great for like the 30 years that I've been here, but it is really like a place

1322
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:44,080
where you raise a family and that's about the only thing you really do.

1323
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,760
And then people leave, like they just go, no, okay, bye.

1324
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,640
Um, like, but I mean, like, I don't want to have kids in Australia.

1325
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,160
Yeah, particularly when I have kids here.

1326
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,720
Nothing against people having children here.

1327
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,280
I just, I personally don't want to.

1328
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,520
Um, but like, do you, do you want to start a family in the next few years?

1329
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:05,520
Is that your plan?

1330
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,280
Yeah, I would love that.

1331
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,320
Um, yeah.

1332
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,600
Is that like, I like that you, cause you said before that you, you always want to do acting.

1333
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,920
You don't think like having a family is going to really put that on hold as well.

1334
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:17,920
No, no.

1335
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,320
And I, I feel as though I have a pretty good support system cause I know not everyone can

1336
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:31,960
say that, you know, and I know that, I mean, having kids is your world turns upside down.

1337
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:38,720
Um, but I have a pretty good support system and I have a lot of people who are in the

1338
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:46,640
entertainment industry, um, and do have kids and you know, they've told me that it didn't,

1339
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:51,240
um, it didn't really bother their career at all.

1340
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,680
In fact, it may have made that, um, bigger.

1341
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:02,480
And actually one of my, um, uh, previous, um, housemates who was a 70 year old, uh,

1342
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:07,340
woman who, yeah, was also in the entertainment industry.

1343
01:18:07,340 --> 01:18:14,800
She was a, um, producer, um, worked, you know, in the news field and she's actually won like

1344
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,720
19 Emmys or something.

1345
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:18,840
Um, it was great.

1346
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:24,040
I would get to hold them and talk in the mirror and pretend that I'm receiving an Emmy.

1347
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,440
It was really lovely.

1348
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:34,200
Um, but, uh, she said that she actually has, um, the one, the one thing that she regrets

1349
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:41,840
in life is not having a family because she thought that having kids would just ruin everything

1350
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:47,160
and she would not be able to have the career that she had, but she had, she has other friends

1351
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:55,060
that are her age, but now have kids and grandkids and also had very successful careers.

1352
01:18:55,060 --> 01:18:57,560
So she said that it can be done.

1353
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:03,040
It's, it's, it's a myth, you know, when people tell you, oh, you know, if you have kids,

1354
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:08,280
it's the end for you, you won't be able to do anything and forget acting.

1355
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,740
Um, cause no, that's not true.

1356
01:19:10,740 --> 01:19:17,800
And I think if you think about it that way, maybe, you know, you might, um, if you go

1357
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,960
in that negatively, then yeah, you might not be as successful, but I think, yeah, kids

1358
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,800
change your life, but, um, they don't destroy it.

1359
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:38,120
You know, it's, uh, you, you just learn to, um, I don't know, work through things.

1360
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,760
I, I, I a hundred percent agree with that.

1361
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:47,280
And I think that's why I also look forward to being a parent because it's kind of half

1362
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,640
the fun of living.

1363
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:54,760
It's kind of like, um, I mean, I know we talk, I know we're literally just talking about

1364
01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:00,080
like how difficult and annoying our parents are, but I mean, like, I think it's very sweet

1365
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,280
to have the ability to have kids as well and have a family.

1366
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,160
And I, I think, yeah, it's just, it's just nice.

1367
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:09,160
It makes you feel whole.

1368
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:10,160
Yeah.

1369
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,840
Um, I don't know.

1370
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,640
I just, and having little mini versions of you and like teaching them about, you know,

1371
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,720
how the world works and like passing on, you know, your knowledge.

1372
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:22,720
I don't know.

1373
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,720
It's just, yeah, there's a, there's two friends of ours who have three and a five year old.

1374
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,080
And they said to us as much as like, you know, they're sleepy and tired, they're like, never

1375
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,000
swap it for anything because they're like, this is the best experience I could ever have.

1376
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,680
Um, you know, is watching them grow and watching it.

1377
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,320
And it's honestly like, that's all you live for.

1378
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:48,960
It's like, uh, I think, I definitely think that some people who don't want to have kids,

1379
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:49,960
that's totally fine.

1380
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:55,160
But I think some people who automatically choose to be like, it will ruin my career.

1381
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,160
Don't think of like that.

1382
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,160
Yeah.

1383
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:58,160
Have a family.

1384
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,160
If you want a family, don't have a family.

1385
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,040
If you don't want a family, just do what you want.

1386
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:07,440
I think be like my career is everything though, because that's when you become unhappy later

1387
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:08,440
in life.

1388
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:10,520
Like you can really detriment yourself.

1389
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:11,520
Absolutely.

1390
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:18,520
And I think, yeah, like I said, my biggest, um, example for me now is, you know, my previous

1391
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:24,320
roommate who was so lovely, but she said multiple times, you know, she told me how much she

1392
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:25,320
regretted that.

1393
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,320
Um, cause now she's all alone.

1394
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,480
Yeah, it's quite sad.

1395
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:34,080
Yeah, it is.

1396
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,080
It is.

1397
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,200
So I think if you can, and the same goes with, um, travel, I think people freak out.

1398
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,520
It's like, you can't travel with kids and sure.

1399
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:48,440
Like it can be more expensive and a lot more stressful, but, um, or now I'm tripped to

1400
01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:49,440
Greece.

1401
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:56,240
Actually we met a German couple that had a young baby with them and they told us how

1402
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,240
like, traveling with kids is fine.

1403
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,160
You know, like I don't understand why people get so stressed out.

1404
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:13,000
Like you just kind of deal with it and kids are a lot more, um, flexible.

1405
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,760
I think people give them credit.

1406
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,160
Um, credit for, yeah.

1407
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:19,160
Yeah.

1408
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,160
Credit for, um, yeah.

1409
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:21,160
Kids are great.

1410
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:22,160
I can't wait.

1411
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:27,280
Only a few more years away.

1412
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,280
I'm counting.

1413
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:29,280
I'm counting.

1414
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,280
I think I'm like three years away.

1415
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,280
So, you know, it's going to catch up.

1416
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,760
It's going to catch up.

1417
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,120
Um, I do have one final question for you, Natalie.

1418
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,600
Where can people find you on the internet?

1419
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,600
Where can they stalk you?

1420
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:47,360
Oh, um, well, they can stalk me on Instagram.

1421
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,360
Um, I have a funny, um, username.

1422
01:22:51,360 --> 01:23:00,640
It's a Greek yogurt, but abbreviated like GRK and then yogurt.

1423
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:06,840
And then I have like my acting one, the Nat Rae Wilson, um, or on TikTok.

1424
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,400
I think I actually spend more time on TikTok now.

1425
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:10,600
I'm kind of obsessed.

1426
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:11,600
It's not good.

1427
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,600
That is a social media dark hole there.

1428
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,360
Oh, don't get me started.

1429
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,360
I hate it, but I love it.

1430
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,480
Um, but yeah, they are there too.

1431
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:25,920
Just Nat Rae Wilson, if they care to stalk me.

1432
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,280
Really not that exciting though.

1433
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,280
I don't think.

1434
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:29,280
No, thank you.

1435
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,280
I've enjoyed this chat.

1436
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:31,280
I've loved it.

1437
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,280
Yes, have I.

1438
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:33,280
Thank you so much for having me on.

1439
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,280
No, thank you for coming on.

1440
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,280
It was an absolute pleasure.

1441
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,360
Um, and if you want to go and check out more of the things we do, you can check them out

1442
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,360
on Apple and Spotify.

1443
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,080
I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later.

1444
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,080
Goodbye.

1445
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:55,080
Bye.