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Here is one of a series of talks by spiritual

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leader Lola McDowell Lee spanning two decades

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from the early 70s through the 90s. Lola was

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a Zen Roshi whose Rinzai lineage included Dr.

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Henry Plutov and renowned Zen master Shigetsu

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Sasaki. Lola was a religious scholar as well

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as an ordained Christian minister. While the

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talks are focused mainly on Zen and Buddhism,

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Lola drew on many spiritual traditions, including

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those of Jesus, Plato, Lao Tzu, the Hindu Vedas,

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Meister Eckhart and Gurdjieff. We have been doing

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little things out of the Dhammapada, the path

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to the Dharma as it is called. And it is the

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instructions. that the Buddha gave for lay people,

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as well as for the monks and the nuns. Most of

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the instructions that he gave were for the monks,

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for the nuns. And this particular one, the path

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to the Dharma, he gave for lay people. There's

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quite a bit to it. Some of it is rather repetitive.

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But here we come to this thing now. As the fletcher

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whittles and makes straight his arrows, so the

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master directs his straying thoughts. Don't you?

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Like a fish out of water, stranded on the shore,

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Thoughts thrash and quiver, for how can they

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shake off desire? They tremble. They are unsteady.

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They wander at their will. It is good to control

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them, and to master them brings happiness. But

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how subtle they are. How elusive. The task is

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to quiet them, and by ruling them, to find happiness.

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With single -mindedness, the master quells his

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thoughts. He ends their wandering, and seated

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in the cave of the heart, he finds freedom. That's

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kind of nice. We should have it typed up and

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put it on a mirror and so you would see it every

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morning and every evening just to remind you

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that you are supposed to stop all this wandering

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around in the head. You know, that doesn't go

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anywhere. You're still in your head. Big place,

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isn't it, Maui? And, you know, life... As we

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know it and as the Buddha did say, life is a

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struggle. We struggle. Why do we struggle? We

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have many goals. That is, we have a lot of desires,

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lots of wants, and we get the wants and the needs

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mixed up. And we forget that the main goal of

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life, if it is to have a goal, is freedom. And

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this is not an economic freedom. That is, whereby

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you have everything that you want, materially,

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it doesn't mean that. I mean, look at some of

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those teachers in the past who have been quite

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poor. Little Hotai, you know. He was like a hobo

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running around with his pack on his back. And

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if you asked him a question, he would say, Penny,

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please. Penny, please. Laugh. And it's not a

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political freedom, you know, and it's not social

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freedom. It is simply the freedom from this ego

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eye. It's freedom from desire. For all the ego

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is desire in its way. And the moment that this

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ego eye drops, it comes down like a curtain.

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The curtain falls from there down to there. Instead

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of the curtain going up, this one falls down.

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The moment it drops, it just drops away. That

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moment we see what Immanuel Kant called the numinal

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world, reality. The numinal aspect of this universe.

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Usually we're caught up in the phenomenal aspect.

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But the phenomenal aspect, you know, drops with

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the ego. So we have now the reality. The Greek's

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called the nous, the knowing universe. It's a

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direct knowing. of the universe rather than coming

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to us through our senses. And our sense data,

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you know, our egocentricness, you know, is a

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barrier between us and the reality. And because

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of this barrier, which completely surrounds us,

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we live in what we could call a confined dark

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cell. Plato's version of men living in a cave

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and the light filters in from over here someplace

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and it creates all these shadows on the wall.

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And man has become identified with these shadows

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on the wall. Once in a while, you know, in this

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world of shadows and images, you know, somebody

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turns around. You need to turn around, huh? And

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he sees light over there. And he walks over to

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it. And he looks. And he looks. And he looks

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from the mouth of this cave, you know. And all

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of a sudden, you know, he thinks, my God, what

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are we doing? And he steps out of the cave into

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this brilliant sunlight. He is free of his chains.

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Once in a while, it happens that there will be

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one of these men that go or women that will go

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back into the cave and try to tell the others.

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He tells them, you know, turn around. Turn around.

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Turn around. Look in the other direction. Turn

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around. And you know what they do? They don't

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listen, of course. They think he's crazy. And

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very often, they kill him. Do not disturb my

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world. I don't care how miserable my world is.

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Just don't disturb me in it. Never mind this

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turning around. I can see right here what's on

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the wall. We have done such crazy things, just

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to protect our point of view. Because you know

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how we are, we think, every ego thinks it's the

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center of the universe. Everything revolves around

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me. And of course we're on this planet, you know,

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and... So the planet becomes the center of the

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universe. All the universe revolves around this

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earth. And again the ego has put to death men

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who have said, this isn't so. So when Saint Simeon

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says, in our incredible, incomprehensible self

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-deception, We think ourselves somebody, and

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there's somebody important. Yeah? That's the

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ego. And the minute you feel that, or you think

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that, what about me? What about me? That isn't

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you at all. It's the ego. We have desires. And

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some of them have been with us almost as long

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as we've been around. You know, as soon as the

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ego begins to rise, we keep wanting, we start

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wanting. And these old desires since the year

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one, our year one, we keep projecting into the

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future where we're going to be someday rewarded.

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And so this present is only a little stepping

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stone from a miserable past to a glorious future.

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All is happiness and all is abundance. That will

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surely be ours. Otherwise, you know, we have

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suffered all this for nothing. We've suffered

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all this for the simple reason we won't look.

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We're so busy protecting our point of view. But

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now say that the ego is dropped we try to do

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something about it finally and the ego is dropped

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and So the memories that we have are dropped

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also and the desires are dropped also So now

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what are you going to project into the future?

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So if there's no ego, where are you? If there's

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no ego, who are you? See, in that moment, and

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I don't care how a split second it might be,

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in that moment of non -ego, there is no identification.

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And if there's no identification, you're nobody.

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You're not somebody important. You're nobody.

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And when you are nobody, then there is this vast,

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tremendous silence. And your thought processes

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And your identification with them for that moment

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is non -existing. And that silence, you know,

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it comes again and again. And finally, instead

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of being just, you know, and there it's gone

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again. We come to know that it has such depth.

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And it is... It is such a width, you know, immeasurable.

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It is all including. And it is immediate. And

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in its immediacy, it is immediate, holy. I mean,

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it instills in one what one could call holy awe.

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which we usually say, reverence. Now, this whole

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world, you know, we look out here and it's a

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garden. But, you know, downtown Los Angeles,

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it's not very garden -like. But we include that.

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whole world, no matter where you go, this whole

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of nature is a garden of Eden. And the garden

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of Eden, the garden, is of itself content. It

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is full of peace. It is beyond imagining this

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peace of this garden. And it is they tell us

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in the Judeo -Christian tradition that it is

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out of this garden that we fell. And it is also

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said that when we fell out of this garden state,

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you know, we became self -conscious. And this

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tradition, this story, this myth, you know...

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is told in various forms in all the different

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cultures, but all pointing to a non -ego state

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prior to. And it points to the state of the ego

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now and the succeeding non -ego state later on

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upon achieving, you know, getting back into the

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garden. Cherubims with a sword and a fire. You

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got to do right. That's Genesis. The non -ego

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consciousness prior to preceding this consciousness

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state now. And the non -ego state prior to is

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very different than the non -ego state that finally

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comes about. In some ways similar, in some ways

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not. In the non -ego state prior to, we were

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very ignorant. In the non -ego state that is

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to come, here we are aware. There's a difference,

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huh? and without an ego, you know, then the garden

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is light and it's joy and here is this contentment

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and it's unpolluted, it's uncontaminated, you

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know, it's innocent. And there is in it a wonder

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and a reverence and a majesty and a dignity.

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And in the Kabbalistic system it is called splendor.

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We're not very splendiferous in our ego states.

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We're self -conscious and we keep ourselves as

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separate entities. We are islands, all well -defined.

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And because of that we're confined. because definitions

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confine. This is the prison wall, our definitions.

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Now, the Buddha, you know, he had many hundreds

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of disciples, monks, 1 ,500 or so, and one of

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them was called Malankya, Malankyaputra was a

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scholar. He was very intellectual. He could reason.

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But this man became so frustrated while he was

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in this Buddhist sangha because there were certain

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things that had not been explained to him, to

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his satisfaction. So he went to see this Buddha

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and he wanted to confront him with his problem

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So he comes and he bears his shoulder and he

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kneels in front of him and he says Blessed one,

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you know the Tathagata he's the Tathagata he

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is thusly come come From whence cometh thou so

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they call it thusly come And he says to him there

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are theories which you have left unexplained,"

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he says to his teacher. And they have to do with

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whether the world is eternal or not, whether

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it is finite or not, whether the soul and the

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body are one or different, whether a person who

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has attained nirvana exists after death or does

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not. The fact that the Blessed One has not explained

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these matters neither pleases me nor suits me.

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If the Blessed One will not explain this to me,

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I will give up my spiritual discipline and return

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to the life of a layman. The Buddha in his kindness

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didn't say, well pack up your gear and go. Instead

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he says, malunkia pats putra, when you took to

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the spiritual life, did I ever promise you that

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I would answer these questions? No, Blessed One,

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you never did. Why do you think that is? Well,

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Blessed One, I haven't the slightest idea. I

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haven't the foggiest notion. Suppose, malunkya

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putra, that a man has been wounded by a poison

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arrow. His friends and his family are there with

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him and they're about to send somebody for the

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doctor. Wait, he says, wait a minute, wait a

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minute now. I will not let this arrow be removed

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until I have learned the cast of the man who

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shot me. I have to know how tall he is, what

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family he comes from, where they live, what kind

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of wood his bow is made of, what fletcher made

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his arrows, and when I know these things, you

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can't proceed to take the arrow out. And then

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you can give me the antidote for the poison.

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What would you think of such a man? Hmm? Well,

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he would be a fool, replies his disciple. You

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know, and his little shame face now, you know.

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All of the questions that this man is asking

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has nothing to do with getting the arrow out.

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He could die before these answers, these questions

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were answered. Ah, ah. Similarly, I do not teach

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whether the world is eternal or not eternal,

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whether it is finite or not, whether the soul

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and the body are the same or different, whether

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a person who has attained nirvana exists after

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death or not, or whether perhaps he both exists

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and does not exist, or whether he exists nor

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does not. I teach how to remove the arrow. The

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arrow is the basis of suffering. It is its origin

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and it is its end. So then another disciple,

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because there's usually several seated around,

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parked around, you know, and another disciple

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then pipes up and he says, These are matters,

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perhaps, which the Blessed One himself has not

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cared to know. And to this the Buddha didn't

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respond immediately. But then he smiled and he

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grabbed up the tree under which he was sitting.

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He grabbed a handful of leaves from one of the

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branches. And he says, what do you think? Are

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there more leaves in my hand or on the tree?

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Well, says this disciple, Blessed One, you know

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that your handful is only a small part of what

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remains on those branches. Who can count the

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leaves of the Shimshapa tree? What I know, this

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Buddha said, is like the leaves on the tree.

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What I teach is only a small part. but I offer

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it with an open hand. What do I teach? How to

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remove the arrow. What do I not teach? What is

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fascinating to discuss? That which divides people

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against each other, but has no bearing on putting

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an end to the sorrow. What do I teach? Only that

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it is necessary to take you to the other shore.

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You know, it comes with this koi parada. Anyone

00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:14.700
for the other shore? Koi parada. That's what

00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:23.980
I teach, he said. So as an archer, aims his arrow.

00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:30.779
The wise aim their restless thoughts. Hard to

00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:38.539
aim. Hard to restrain. And so you sit for meditation.

00:24:39.619 --> 00:24:42.920
When you sit for meditation, you do have an opportunity

00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:48.039
to look, you know, to observe yourself. Are your

00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.279
thoughts directing you, or are you directing

00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:56.690
your thoughts? I think that's a simple answer,

00:24:56.690 --> 00:25:10.250
huh? Who bids the mind to think? Do your thoughts

00:25:10.250 --> 00:25:13.890
go hither and thither? And then do you become

00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:19.369
lost in them? Do they make suggestions to you?

00:25:21.450 --> 00:25:30.569
Do they fascinate you? Who is the master? Where

00:25:30.569 --> 00:25:40.710
is this master? There is a Tibetan parable. It's

00:25:40.710 --> 00:25:45.029
a little story I've told before. But it shows

00:25:45.029 --> 00:25:52.200
very well what goes on with us. There was in

00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:58.000
Tibet a man who served his master for many, many,

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many years. And this service was not pure. The

00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:09.019
service was given with a motivation. This attendant

00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:12.140
was motivated by something. He wanted something.

00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:18.119
He wanted some secret from this master. He had

00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.750
heard that the master had a secret. And with

00:26:22.750 --> 00:26:27.470
this hidden desire, he served. But at the same

00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:29.809
time, you know, he is serving a master and so

00:26:29.809 --> 00:26:32.630
he's afraid to say anything really about this

00:26:32.630 --> 00:26:35.210
thing. You know, he just hopes he's gonna stumble

00:26:35.210 --> 00:26:39.470
on it someday. And at the same time, this master

00:26:39.470 --> 00:26:44.349
is continuously watching him. He's waiting for

00:26:44.349 --> 00:26:49.230
the motivation to make itself known. I mean,

00:26:49.250 --> 00:26:51.720
of course, he knows it's there. You know, it's

00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.319
got to spring up and come to light of its own

00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:59.039
accord. So one day, this master finally says

00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.559
to him though, it is better that you speak your

00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:05.799
mind. Because I am always seeing this motive

00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:08.940
in your service. You do not serve out of love.

00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:12.220
And the service, you know, is not necessarily

00:27:12.220 --> 00:27:15.900
for the master, it is for the master within you.

00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.500
So that you serve with love. and that's why you

00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:24.500
serve the Master. So, but in yours I see no love

00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:27.819
and I see no humility. Your service is a kind

00:27:27.819 --> 00:27:32.000
of a bribery. So would you please just be plain,

00:27:32.539 --> 00:27:39.859
just be factual. What do you want? Oh, and like

00:27:39.859 --> 00:27:42.059
a fish leaping to a fly out of the water, you

00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:45.640
know how they do, this man says, I want the secret

00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:52.079
of doing miracles. then why have you wasted my

00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.599
time for so long? You could have said that the

00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:58.579
very first day. You could have saved yourself

00:27:58.579 --> 00:28:02.599
a lot of misery. And me too, for that matter.

00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.400
It's difficult to be around those who have ulterior

00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:12.079
motives. It's ugly for them to deal with, and

00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.480
it's ugly for me to look at. It's just ugly.

00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.039
So why didn't you say something? The secret is

00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.549
so simple. Oh, it is so simple, you know. And

00:28:22.549 --> 00:28:24.130
this is it. And he took a piece of paper and

00:28:24.130 --> 00:28:27.029
he wrote something on it. Three little lines.

00:28:27.890 --> 00:28:31.430
I take refuge in the Buddha. I take refuge in

00:28:31.430 --> 00:28:36.289
the Dharma. I take refuge in the Sangha. And

00:28:36.289 --> 00:28:39.730
he hands the paper to this servant and says you

00:28:39.730 --> 00:28:42.609
take this with you everywhere. But you repeat

00:28:42.609 --> 00:28:48.390
it five times. Only five times every day. No

00:28:48.390 --> 00:28:52.789
more. No less. But the paper stays with you all

00:28:52.789 --> 00:28:57.809
the time. Very simple process. But there's one

00:28:57.809 --> 00:29:06.789
condition. Why are you repeating it? You take

00:29:06.789 --> 00:29:10.990
a bath and you close the door and you sit silently

00:29:10.990 --> 00:29:15.329
and you are repeating it. Please do not think

00:29:15.329 --> 00:29:31.890
of monkeys. Nasty teacher, huh? And his servant

00:29:31.890 --> 00:29:35.170
says, what nonsense are you talking about? Why

00:29:35.170 --> 00:29:37.970
should I remember monkeys? I never think of monkeys.

00:29:38.730 --> 00:29:41.009
You know, all my life I've never thought about

00:29:41.009 --> 00:29:46.190
monkeys. Well, that's up to you. If you're going

00:29:46.190 --> 00:29:48.369
to think about monkeys or not think about monkeys,

00:29:48.450 --> 00:29:51.069
it's up to you. I just tell you the conditions.

00:29:51.430 --> 00:29:56.910
Don't think about monkeys. You've never remembered

00:29:56.910 --> 00:30:01.009
monkeys so far, so good. Now you go home, never

00:30:01.009 --> 00:30:03.829
come back. You have the secret, you know the

00:30:03.829 --> 00:30:07.130
conditions, fulfill the conditions, and you will

00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:10.769
have all these miracles at your fingertips. You

00:30:10.769 --> 00:30:13.650
know, all these powers. You can do what you want.

00:30:13.750 --> 00:30:16.750
You can fly in the sky, you can read people's

00:30:16.750 --> 00:30:19.470
thoughts, you can materialize things, and so

00:30:19.470 --> 00:30:25.440
on and so forth. Et cetera. And finally, I got

00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.880
another one. E -A -C, Susi Belanti. And then

00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.119
we come again to et cetera, et cetera, and so

00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:36.640
on. Right, et cetera. Most languages is et cetera.

00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:40.359
Anyway, this man, you know, he's got everything

00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.000
now on this piece of paper. And he rushes away,

00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.500
he's going to go home. He didn't even thank the

00:30:45.500 --> 00:30:49.980
master. That's how greed functions. It doesn't

00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:52.779
know thankfulness. It doesn't know gratitude.

00:30:53.130 --> 00:30:55.930
You know, it's completely unaware of gratitude.

00:30:56.609 --> 00:30:59.549
It never even stumbles over it. Because greed

00:30:59.549 --> 00:31:07.630
is a thief. Thieves don't thank, they take. Anyway,

00:31:07.750 --> 00:31:11.410
the man's rushing home and he's already kind

00:31:11.410 --> 00:31:13.589
of puzzled. You know, he's only gone two blocks

00:31:13.589 --> 00:31:16.490
and already the monkeys are appearing in his

00:31:16.490 --> 00:31:24.500
head. All kinds of monkeys. Small ones, large

00:31:24.500 --> 00:31:28.920
ones, red mouth ones, black mouth ones. And by

00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:30.339
the time he got home, he couldn't think of anything

00:31:30.339 --> 00:31:35.819
but monkeys. And they were getting larger. And

00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:37.720
they were crowding in there, more and more and

00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.180
more and more, bigger crowd. And he went in the

00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:42.660
bathroom and he took a bath. But the monkeys

00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:46.039
wouldn't leave him. And he was beginning to get

00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:47.599
a little suspicious that they were not going

00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.839
to leave him. He hadn't even said the prayer

00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:53.710
yet. And here are all these monkeys. He was only

00:31:53.710 --> 00:31:58.589
simply preparing. And he closed the door. And

00:31:58.589 --> 00:32:02.390
the room was full of monkeys. And he was so crowded

00:32:02.390 --> 00:32:03.910
in there with the monkeys, he almost didn't have

00:32:03.910 --> 00:32:08.089
any room for himself. So he closed his eyes.

00:32:08.349 --> 00:32:12.109
And there were monkeys. He opened his eyes and

00:32:12.109 --> 00:32:15.369
there were monkeys. He couldn't believe what

00:32:15.369 --> 00:32:19.869
was happening. All these monkeys. And all night

00:32:19.869 --> 00:32:25.009
he tried. He got up and he'd take a bath, and

00:32:25.009 --> 00:32:26.569
there were too many monkeys. He couldn't repeat

00:32:26.569 --> 00:32:29.750
the prayer. He'd go back to bed. And the bed

00:32:29.750 --> 00:32:32.450
was full of monkeys. He'd get up and take a bath,

00:32:33.450 --> 00:32:35.289
get ready to say the prayer, and it was all full

00:32:35.289 --> 00:32:42.589
of monkeys. So the next morning, early, he went

00:32:42.589 --> 00:32:45.849
to the master, and he returned the paper, and

00:32:45.849 --> 00:32:50.940
he said, keep it. It's driving me crazy. I don't

00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:53.160
want to do any miracles. Just help me get rid

00:32:53.160 --> 00:33:02.779
of the monkeys! And we laugh, huh? At whom are

00:33:02.779 --> 00:33:14.440
you laughing? Try it someday. Go take a bath,

00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.099
close the door, and then repeat five times after

00:33:18.099 --> 00:33:22.099
you've had your bath. I take refuge in the Buddha.

00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:29.000
I take refuge in the Dharma. I take refuge in

00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:38.799
the Sangha. Yeah. Hopefully no monkeys. Maybe

00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:45.819
you'll have squirrels instead. And now a great

00:33:45.819 --> 00:33:53.339
deal... of what we think of what we call thinking

00:33:53.339 --> 00:34:04.500
is caused by and is based on our emotions. And

00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:08.400
if you do not observe, if you do not ever observe

00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:16.360
what you think, you will never come to know that

00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.829
your thinking is based on your emotions. And

00:34:19.829 --> 00:34:23.110
if you can't get that far, what in the world

00:34:23.110 --> 00:34:26.110
are you going to do with yourself? And of course,

00:34:26.150 --> 00:34:29.030
this is always some more than others. I mean,

00:34:29.170 --> 00:34:39.510
there is no state we can say that's normal. Now

00:34:39.510 --> 00:34:43.650
and again, we may reason to a higher purpose.

00:34:45.449 --> 00:34:52.530
And again, some more than others. And we come

00:34:52.530 --> 00:34:58.510
to know that there are qualities in man. What

00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:04.130
in Sanskrit are called gunas. And we have the

00:35:04.130 --> 00:35:08.090
tamasic, and the rajasic, and the sattvic gunas.

00:35:08.130 --> 00:35:12.530
And the tamasic are those inert, lazy qualities

00:35:12.530 --> 00:35:15.929
in us. And then the sattvic, of course, are these

00:35:15.929 --> 00:35:23.199
very fine, high frequency. qualities, gunas.

00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:28.980
And again, some more and some less. And with

00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:34.480
this sattvic guna, this fine frequency, there

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:39.219
comes a sensitivity and there comes a love of

00:35:39.219 --> 00:35:44.360
beauty and there is a sensitivity for texture,

00:35:46.820 --> 00:35:50.099
for the taste and the flow of life that is around

00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:59.219
us. and for this silence in which we can hear

00:35:59.219 --> 00:36:05.679
the crow calling in an empty sky or the screeching

00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:13.420
of a squirrel. There are values we give to life.

00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.340
Life itself doesn't hold values. We give values

00:36:18.340 --> 00:36:24.440
to life. And we call them aesthetic. These sattvic

00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:32.659
gunas. To look for beauty. The aesthetic beauty

00:36:32.659 --> 00:36:38.280
of something. And there is aesthetic color. And

00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.760
there is music in the heart. There's a certain

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.119
harmony within. This is aesthetic. We put it

00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:50.860
under this label. We can and we do at times exist

00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:54.239
as a noise and you would be surprised if you

00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.000
were listening to yourself how it rattles around

00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.920
and means nothing And maybe how you are fooling

00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.840
yourself, huh? When we exist as a noise So we

00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.760
can exist as a noise or we can exist as a temple

00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:17.559
in which there is this What we could call a sacred

00:37:17.550 --> 00:37:22.289
silence. You know, to be a poet of life, to be

00:37:22.289 --> 00:37:29.849
an artist of life, it needs an inner approach.

00:37:31.989 --> 00:37:34.989
It's not just a matter of listening to some music

00:37:34.989 --> 00:37:38.690
because it is called good and it is called good

00:37:38.690 --> 00:37:41.949
because it's classical and then to compare this

00:37:41.949 --> 00:37:44.989
good music to some modern music which we say

00:37:44.989 --> 00:37:50.650
then is bad. That's silly. You know, for instance,

00:37:50.769 --> 00:37:54.230
you know, the Beatles songs. They played them

00:37:54.230 --> 00:37:56.710
at Carnegie Hall. They changed the tempo a little

00:37:56.710 --> 00:37:59.869
bit. And not the notes, but the way they were

00:37:59.869 --> 00:38:04.730
played. And it was hailed as genius, good classical

00:38:04.730 --> 00:38:11.690
music. And Helen Keller, you know, blind and

00:38:11.690 --> 00:38:16.489
deaf and dumb. She would touch water and feel

00:38:16.489 --> 00:38:22.469
it. She would feel the flow of it. She would

00:38:22.469 --> 00:38:25.769
feel its coldness. She would feel its wetness.

00:38:27.510 --> 00:38:32.510
We look at water and oh yeah, it's water. We

00:38:32.510 --> 00:38:36.789
don't feel it. She would feel the texture of

00:38:36.789 --> 00:38:42.329
a rock, you know, and it would convey to her

00:38:42.329 --> 00:38:47.260
something. Someday when you're all alone, You

00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:51.980
close your eyes and you just hold a rock and

00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:56.139
you feel it, you touch it. And you feel as if

00:38:56.139 --> 00:39:01.760
you had, you feel it as if you only had hands.

00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:06.840
That was your communication with it, your hands.

00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:12.719
You use the hands in place of an eye. After all,

00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:14.940
you had the hand long before you had an eye.

00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.260
We've just buried some of these things. Bring

00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:27.360
them out again, you know, too. And we have been

00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:33.940
given great gifts. We have been given the great

00:39:33.940 --> 00:39:41.860
ideas of philosophers of all the ages. The old

00:39:41.860 --> 00:39:46.639
sense of philosophy. which simply means the love

00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:54.679
of wisdom. It's missing nowadays, they say. It

00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.380
has become rather like religion has today, morals

00:39:57.380 --> 00:40:02.320
and ethics. There are those like Bloom and Needleman

00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.579
and our good friend Houston Smith, and men of

00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:13.159
that caliber. They speak of our loss. Because

00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:21.980
to them, Philosophy presents great ideas that

00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:29.179
point to a process in us. The ideas that point

00:40:29.179 --> 00:40:34.480
to a potential in us. Now philosophy, the ideas,

00:40:35.059 --> 00:40:41.139
do not transform us. It points to, but for the

00:40:41.139 --> 00:40:44.440
transforming we need what is called the noesis.

00:40:44.650 --> 00:40:48.809
The noetic quality, the noetic quality in us

00:40:48.809 --> 00:40:59.829
is a transforming philosophy points to it. Now

00:40:59.829 --> 00:41:01.650
Plato, and I talked about him in the beginning

00:41:01.650 --> 00:41:04.070
a little bit, but none is going, and speaking

00:41:04.070 --> 00:41:09.309
of aesthetics, Plato, he presents his aesthetics

00:41:09.309 --> 00:41:18.500
as the role of art and education. Art and education

00:41:18.500 --> 00:41:23.800
in the development of man. And his ideas are

00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.000
very difficult for most modern people to understand.

00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:34.360
They don't accept them. For Socrates says, we

00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.619
must carefully regulate the sort of art that

00:41:38.619 --> 00:41:45.280
is allowed in our city. and the hue and the cry

00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.619
that rises to the very heavens when people hear

00:41:48.619 --> 00:41:57.219
that. And he goes on to say, the proper development

00:41:57.219 --> 00:42:03.460
of man depends on the influence of art, especially

00:42:03.460 --> 00:42:15.820
music and story. So he says then that the state,

00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:24.199
the city, the state, can allow only a specific

00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.800
kind of art. All others must be banned. And you

00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.960
know, hackles rise. This is censorship. This

00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:38.820
is offensive. Right? I know you. Right on, huh?

00:42:45.579 --> 00:42:48.019
Plato, this is all comes about in his thing of

00:42:48.019 --> 00:42:53.739
the Republic. And now he entitles this thing

00:42:53.739 --> 00:43:00.920
the Republic. And it has a secondary title. It

00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:10.900
is called the conquest of self. Plato is not

00:43:10.900 --> 00:43:14.019
necessarily speaking about government out there.

00:43:14.510 --> 00:43:24.050
He is speaking of you. He is speaking of this

00:43:24.050 --> 00:43:31.570
state that is ruled by a philosopher king. Have

00:43:31.570 --> 00:43:34.110
you ever read Plato with yourself in mind that

00:43:34.110 --> 00:43:36.829
this was never projected out on any kind of government

00:43:36.829 --> 00:43:39.769
except what was in here? There is a philosopher

00:43:39.769 --> 00:43:42.610
king in here, huh? And all the other hierarchy,

00:43:42.610 --> 00:43:52.800
he says. Who is your philosopher king? Do you

00:43:52.800 --> 00:44:01.219
have one? Are you a state without a leader? See,

00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:04.719
and the role of the guardians. These are the

00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.719
factors which guard this king, and they guard

00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.050
the people. And these guardians, he says, should

00:44:12.050 --> 00:44:19.050
not be allowed so much imitation. And when he

00:44:19.050 --> 00:44:22.050
speaks of the strength and the courage of the

00:44:22.050 --> 00:44:26.269
warriors, he is speaking of a specific inner

00:44:26.269 --> 00:44:31.590
energy that obeys and it struggles to carry out

00:44:31.590 --> 00:44:34.110
a vision of truth in us even though we do not

00:44:34.110 --> 00:44:40.289
know it. And it is called will. It is known.

00:44:40.590 --> 00:44:43.989
to the philosopher Qing, but the ego doesn't

00:44:43.989 --> 00:44:49.690
know it. And when he speaks of laborers and artisans

00:44:49.690 --> 00:44:52.610
and merchants, he is speaking of our desires

00:44:52.610 --> 00:44:58.469
and our appetites. And with the help of the guardians,

00:44:59.289 --> 00:45:03.110
you know, our desires can submit to wisdom, and

00:45:03.110 --> 00:45:13.659
they can strive for higher perception. Certainly,

00:45:13.820 --> 00:45:17.219
nobody really thinks, sincerely, that we are

00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:21.019
beyond a censorship of art and music in ourselves.

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.320
No. It is, after all, in dealing with ourselves

00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.420
and trying this conquest of self, it is very

00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:33.699
simply what he is saying, discipline yourself.

00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:42.179
And who is above discipline? Without discipline,

00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:46.699
How in the name of all that's holy are you ever

00:45:46.699 --> 00:45:49.699
going to know that which is holy? Discipline

00:45:49.699 --> 00:45:58.260
is so necessary. Did you train a child, you know,

00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.420
that it doesn't, a child learns by imitation,

00:46:01.820 --> 00:46:04.480
present to it what is good for it to imitate?

00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.260
This is what he's saying. He says, look how many

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patterns of feelings that we have adopted automatically.

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We were young. We imitate our parents, we imitate

00:46:21.260 --> 00:46:24.480
our friends, we imitate our teachers, you know,

00:46:24.699 --> 00:46:27.920
we had the TV stars and the singers on the TV

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and so on, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera again.

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We imitate. And I think then, you know, of the

00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.340
movies that I saw when I was very, very young.

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You know, like four. Perils of Pauline. Lone

00:46:46.449 --> 00:46:52.329
Chaney and the Phantom of the Opera? Yeah. And

00:46:52.329 --> 00:46:55.690
then you turn around from that, and I can remember

00:46:55.690 --> 00:47:02.730
watching, what was it? Remarks, they did a thing,

00:47:02.849 --> 00:47:07.449
Lou Ayers was in it. And they did a movie on,

00:47:08.130 --> 00:47:13.750
it was on World War I. I sobbed all the way through

00:47:13.750 --> 00:47:17.559
it. I just sobbed all the way through the thing.

00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:32.099
This is Remarque. Who? No, you're thinking of

00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:35.119
Hemingway. I'm talking about Remarque. Eric Remarque.

00:47:36.699 --> 00:47:39.300
Fall Quiet on the Western Front. They've made

00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:41.519
a sequel to it, which I didn't see, but that

00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:43.579
first one with Lou Ayers. You know, a little

00:47:43.579 --> 00:47:45.320
four or five year old kid sitting watching this

00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.679
and this guy reaches for a butterfly and he's

00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:52.260
shot. Boy, I couldn't stand it. Anyway, but I

00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:55.380
look at those things and these emotions, these

00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:59.280
almost pure emotions that were aroused, the fear

00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.920
of that Pauline was going to get hurt. And that

00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.059
the fear that this lone Cheney's swinging through

00:48:06.059 --> 00:48:08.780
this opera house, you know. And then you look

00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:11.139
at the movies today with all the rape and the

00:48:11.139 --> 00:48:13.780
pillage and... You know, it's a big difference

00:48:13.780 --> 00:48:18.659
of what was then and what is now. What emotions

00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:22.300
do they rise to what we see today in children

00:48:22.300 --> 00:48:29.800
three and four? What do they encourage in us?

00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.659
You know, feelings. They're a tool to be used.

00:48:40.539 --> 00:48:43.500
Bob said that last Sunday didn't we yes he did

00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:56.179
we can use them to overcome fears You know there's

00:48:56.179 --> 00:48:59.059
the old saying esoteric saying you feel your

00:48:59.059 --> 00:49:02.079
way you don't think your way you feel your way

00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.059
Thinking isn't going to accomplish it Because

00:49:06.059 --> 00:49:10.679
we block ourselves from ourselves with our emotions,

00:49:10.699 --> 00:49:13.579
and we wonder what's wrong. What's wrong with

00:49:13.579 --> 00:49:20.659
me? And the art that Plato talks about, of course,

00:49:20.739 --> 00:49:24.460
is everywhere. Everywhere. We're surrounded by

00:49:24.460 --> 00:49:26.800
it. You don't have to go to a museum and look

00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:31.920
at a picture. Music is something we always hear.

00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.219
We go downtown, go to the mall, it's playing,

00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.840
there's music. It's in the stores, it's in the

00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.719
elevators, it's in the offices, you make a phone

00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.679
call, you put on hold, here comes the music.

00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:51.599
You sit on an airplane and here comes the music.

00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.780
Art. And all the things we handle every day.

00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:08.389
Someone designed them all. That's art. All of

00:50:08.389 --> 00:50:16.389
this impinges on us all day long. Don't you ever

00:50:16.389 --> 00:50:21.090
wonder what thoughts and what desires are truly

00:50:21.090 --> 00:50:24.750
your own? They're all caused by all this stuff

00:50:24.750 --> 00:50:27.690
around us, you know? Well, of course, we got

00:50:27.690 --> 00:50:29.929
sex and we got hunger. And when you're tired,

00:50:29.969 --> 00:50:33.369
you sleep. Okay, that's you. The rest of it is

00:50:33.369 --> 00:50:40.840
all impinged upon us. Art, says Plato, is an

00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.679
immense power in our lives. Especially when we

00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.059
are young. And also especially when something

00:50:50.059 --> 00:50:54.820
in us is young and growing. And are you not young

00:50:54.820 --> 00:51:06.860
and growing? Art has power. It fixes patterns

00:51:06.860 --> 00:51:16.610
of feeling. What sort of emotions are evoked

00:51:16.610 --> 00:51:21.710
and supported by the art that surrounds us? In

00:51:21.710 --> 00:51:28.329
your house, in your closets, in your cupboards,

00:51:29.489 --> 00:51:33.989
in your yards, where you work, where you go to

00:51:33.989 --> 00:51:39.170
school. You know, a man gets up and he gets ready

00:51:39.170 --> 00:51:40.610
to go to work, he gets dressed, he goes over

00:51:40.610 --> 00:51:42.090
and he picks up a tie and he says, I'll wear

00:51:42.090 --> 00:51:46.139
this today. Why? Oh, he says, oh, it makes me

00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:52.559
feel good. Why? Hmm? What emotion has been aroused?

00:51:53.900 --> 00:51:55.480
See, a woman says, oh, this is the blouse I'm

00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:03.460
gonna wear today. Why? Hmm? What value? Have

00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:08.380
you ever examined this in yourself? You know...

00:52:08.349 --> 00:52:10.730
There is, in the traditions of India, you know,

00:52:10.929 --> 00:52:13.650
there is a samka yoga upon which most everything,

00:52:14.250 --> 00:52:16.889
all the other traditions are based. And samka

00:52:16.889 --> 00:52:21.389
yoga goes into this in very great detail. What's

00:52:21.389 --> 00:52:25.550
going on here? You know, not just surface. What's

00:52:25.550 --> 00:52:30.150
going on here? And of course we know there are

00:52:30.150 --> 00:52:32.429
feelings that are less desirable than others.

00:52:32.909 --> 00:52:35.829
and we have not much good to say about hatred

00:52:35.829 --> 00:52:40.010
or self -pity or sentimentality or fear, no.

00:52:41.309 --> 00:52:44.369
But if we really begin to look at the art that

00:52:44.369 --> 00:52:47.289
surrounds us and our responses to it, which are

00:52:47.289 --> 00:52:48.969
certainly more important than the art itself,

00:52:49.110 --> 00:52:52.349
our responses to it, why we respond the way we

00:52:52.349 --> 00:52:57.230
do, then we can begin to know that that art deals

00:52:57.230 --> 00:53:03.559
precisely with these emotions, fear. Hatred,

00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:06.320
self -pity, sentimentality. How many dishes won't

00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.699
I throw away because I'm sentimental about them?

00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:16.460
Stupid. Hmm? Sure. Habits. How are you going

00:53:16.460 --> 00:53:21.460
to break them unless you look? And we could experiment

00:53:21.460 --> 00:53:23.719
a little bit, too, in all kinds of experiments

00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.139
today. When you're at the theater, look and see,

00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:33.179
during the thing, what kind of... feelings arise.

00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:36.360
When you're watching TV, you know, you won't

00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.059
be able to stick with the story long if you're

00:53:38.059 --> 00:53:41.260
watching yourself. Or we could go to a concert

00:53:41.260 --> 00:53:44.159
and what does the music do to us? In front of

00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:47.179
any form of art, which means no matter where

00:53:47.179 --> 00:53:51.619
you turn, huh? I mean, you look at that. You

00:53:51.619 --> 00:53:58.079
look at that. Hmm? Something is responding. Some

00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:04.099
sort of emotion is coming up. And mostly, we

00:54:04.099 --> 00:54:10.800
ignore it. Totally. Totally. You know, if the...

00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:12.820
And you look at that, and what you're interested

00:54:12.820 --> 00:54:21.099
in, immediately, is yourself. We should be. There's

00:54:21.099 --> 00:54:24.019
a movie on TV, and maybe it's about some moral

00:54:24.019 --> 00:54:27.159
issue, and you may find that the emotions you

00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.289
have are anger, or self -righteousness. Oh, I

00:54:30.289 --> 00:54:33.030
need to have revenge here now. Vengeance, you

00:54:33.030 --> 00:54:42.730
know. From whence cometh this? Many people, excuse

00:54:42.730 --> 00:54:46.250
me, are surprised to find out how difficult it

00:54:46.250 --> 00:54:50.429
is to know exactly what emotions they experience

00:54:50.429 --> 00:54:53.650
in front of art. They don't know. They stand

00:54:53.650 --> 00:54:59.960
there, huh? habitually they have covered these

00:54:59.960 --> 00:55:02.800
feelings and covered them and covered them until

00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:04.619
it's such a habit that they don't know how to

00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:08.780
get out of them anymore. Just to experiment with

00:55:08.780 --> 00:55:12.300
oneself and discover some emotions about ourselves

00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:17.079
is quite enough to bring home Plato's point about

00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:22.440
the unrecognized influence in art. You know that

00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:26.199
for a long time it has been so Working with a

00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:28.599
teacher, very often a teacher will say, you can't

00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.280
read anymore. You got to get a chance to get

00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.619
rid of all of this stuff. Or you can read only

00:55:34.619 --> 00:55:36.820
such and such and such a book. You can't go to

00:55:36.820 --> 00:55:38.940
the movies anymore. You can't watch the television

00:55:38.940 --> 00:55:41.159
anymore. You want to get serious about this thing?

00:55:41.619 --> 00:55:49.599
Maybe not. Maybe someday we can come to a point

00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:53.579
where we begin to think about this sea of emotional

00:55:53.579 --> 00:56:00.949
influences. that we swim around in. So you sit

00:56:00.949 --> 00:56:05.769
for meditation, so that this philosopher king

00:56:05.769 --> 00:56:12.349
can be born, so that it rises. When you sit,

00:56:12.489 --> 00:56:19.329
you drop everything that does not pertain to

00:56:19.329 --> 00:56:23.969
that precise situation. and you govern yourself

00:56:23.969 --> 00:56:28.510
accordingly through the days to that precise

00:56:28.510 --> 00:56:35.650
situation the philosopher came. Art, he says,

00:56:36.090 --> 00:56:39.829
the formative influence on the development of

00:56:39.829 --> 00:56:42.309
any given one. That's you and you and you and

00:56:42.309 --> 00:56:48.769
me. The influence. And so, you know, we've lived

00:56:48.769 --> 00:56:52.960
a certain number of years and it has all concretized

00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:57.280
and solidified and become congealed in us. And

00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.380
we see that this has happened and we want to

00:57:00.380 --> 00:57:05.260
get rid of it in an instant. Lots of luck, folks.

00:57:07.900 --> 00:57:13.679
All we can do is just sit and, you know, get

00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.139
those thoughts, keep those thoughts from straying.

00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:22.030
You know, become single -minded. And you sit,

00:57:22.230 --> 00:57:26.809
and you sit some more. And when you see this

00:57:26.809 --> 00:57:30.269
influence, and this sitting, and when they coincide,

00:57:30.289 --> 00:57:36.550
all of a sudden it penetrates through. And suddenly

00:57:36.550 --> 00:57:47.010
you meet yourself. To be so trained, and they

00:57:47.010 --> 00:57:51.809
call it thusly trained. thusly disciplined from

00:57:51.809 --> 00:57:58.210
early on, that the process and its culmination,

00:57:58.969 --> 00:58:01.630
which to Buddha would be enlightenment and Christianity

00:58:01.630 --> 00:58:04.269
would be becoming the everlasting light, and

00:58:04.269 --> 00:58:07.889
in Zen it would be Satori, the culmination, but

00:58:07.889 --> 00:58:11.550
the process would be the base, would be the foundation

00:58:11.550 --> 00:58:17.150
of education. Wouldn't that be terrific? And

00:58:17.150 --> 00:58:19.250
you know what Plato said we should study first,

00:58:19.409 --> 00:58:24.769
if this were the case? Mathematics. It's pure.

00:58:25.190 --> 00:58:28.449
You see, there's no emotions in it. It's pure.

00:58:28.750 --> 00:58:31.030
And then would come geometry, because this is

00:58:31.030 --> 00:58:34.510
now pure idea. And then would come gymnastics.

00:58:35.710 --> 00:58:38.070
And then would come music, and then would come

00:58:38.070 --> 00:58:41.750
story. And the stories then, because it comes

00:58:41.750 --> 00:58:47.300
after all of this, would no longer be live. And

00:58:47.300 --> 00:58:55.739
of course, by this time we're 35. Yeah. But anyway,

00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:00.019
these ideas, and they are great ideas of these

00:59:00.019 --> 00:59:05.360
philosophers, of all the ages, they are ours.

00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.360
But, you know, why are they so misunderstood?

00:59:13.869 --> 00:59:18.690
A really great idea is concerned with one thing

00:59:18.690 --> 00:59:31.489
and it says, go within. It points to where you

00:59:31.489 --> 00:59:36.489
can take it. And because you have this no -edit

00:59:36.489 --> 00:59:42.050
quality, you can transform single -mindedly and

00:59:42.050 --> 00:59:48.219
you will be free. Hmm? Yeah, that's Plato's conquest

00:59:48.219 --> 00:59:59.719
of the self. The republic. Right? Sorry, folks.

01:00:00.139 --> 01:00:36.760
I get it. I like these. If you find Lola's talks

01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.639
valuable, more will be posted in weeks to come.
