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Here is one of a series of talks by spiritual

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leader Lola McDowell Lee, spanning two decades

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from the early 70s through the 90s. Lola was

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a Zen Roshi, whose Rinzai lineage included Dr.

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Henry Plutov and renowned Zen master Shigetsu

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Sasaki. Lola was a religious scholar as well

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as an ordained Christian minister. While the

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talks are focused mainly on Zen and Buddhism,

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Lola drew on many spiritual traditions, including

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those of Jesus, Plato, Lao Tzu, the Hindu Vedas,

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Meister Eckhart, and Gurdjieff. We are what we

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think. All that we are arises with our thoughts.

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With our thoughts we make the world. Speak or

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act with an impure mind and trouble will follow

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you as the wheel follows the ox that draws the

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cart. We are what we think. All that we are arises

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with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make

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the world. Speak or act with a pure mind and

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happiness will follow you as your shadow, unshakable.

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Look how he abused me and beat me. How he threw

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me down and robbed me. Live with such thoughts

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and you live in hate. Look how he abused me and

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beat me, how he threw me down and robbed me.

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Abandon such thoughts and live in love. In this

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world, hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love

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dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and inexhaustible.

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You too shall pass away knowing this. How can

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you quarrel? How easily the wind overturns a

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frail tree. Seek happiness in the senses, indulge

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in food and sleep, and you too will be uprooted.

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The wind cannot overturn a mountain. Temptation

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cannot touch the man who is awake, strong and

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humble, who masters himself. and minds the law.

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If a man's thoughts are muddy, if he is reckless

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and full of deceit, how can he wear the yellow

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robe? Whoever is master of his own nature, bright,

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clear, and true, he may indeed wear the yellow

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robe. The deluded Imagining trivial things to

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be vital to life, follow their vain fancies and

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never attain the highest knowledge. But the wise,

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knowing what is trivial and what is vital, set

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their thoughts on the supreme goal and attain

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the highest knowledge. As rain seeps through

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an ill -thatched hut, passion will creep through

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an untrained mind. As rain cannot seep through

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a well -fetched hut, passion cannot seep through

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a well -trained mind. Hmm? Yeah, that's the beginning.

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Now this, after the Shakyamuni Buddha. passed

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away. They began to write down what he had taught.

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They wrote it on palm leaves. And there is today

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a group of people, a school, I guess you could

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call it, for lack of a better word. They still

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have a lot of old palm leaves with things written

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on them. And so there is one for everybody. That's

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right. Tony knows. And if there's not one for

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you, you don't belong to that group. So you're

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not one of the chosen. And what is on this palm

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leaf for you then will tell you all about you.

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Boy, is it a trap. Anyway, but palm leaves, you

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see, they're supposed to be so old, they're still

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writing on palm leaves. One wears out, they write

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it on a new one. The palm leaves are all there.

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Anyway, the sangha, you know, the group of monks

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and nuns after he passed away had a, Big get

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-together. And of course, even though they were

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of the upper echelon, some of these men, you

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know, why they still each had their own opinion.

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And so lots of conflict. My way is right. Oh,

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no, no, no. My way is right. No, no, no, no.

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My way is right. So finally, they divided themselves.

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into two groups. You know, one is called the

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Hinayana, or the Theravadan, or the small vehicle,

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and the other is the Mahayana, the great vehicle.

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The Hinayana, or the small vehicle, they settled

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around Burma and Thailand and Sri Lanka. And

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you know, Buddha used to go to Sri Lanka occasionally,

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and that's where he gave the Lankavatarasutra.

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It was one time when he was visiting there. And

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in this Hinayana, in this particular section

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of the world, the language that they use and

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the language that the Buddhist teachings are

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written in the Hinayana thing is called Pali,

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P -A -L -I, Pali, which is a kind of a descendant

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of the Sanskrit. So in Sanskrit, you know the

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word Dharma. In Pali, it becomes Dhamma. And

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in Sanskrit, the word karma becomes kama. And

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the nirvana becomes nibbana. So when you read

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this type of writing where they don't translate

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these words, you know that this is from the Theravadan

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sect of Buddhism, okay, a small bit. Now, the

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actual scriptures of Buddhism, Orthodox Buddhism,

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are divided into three sections. And each one

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of these sections is called a basket. It's a

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basket that holds the teaching of a particular

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kind. And this is called a pataka. So sometimes

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you see books written, and they will say the

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tri -pataka of Buddhism, the three baskets of

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Buddhism. Tri -pataka, three baskets. And now

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the sutra, pataka, or basket, as a group of discourses

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or lectures, I guess we can say, the talks that

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were given by the Buddha or one of his direct

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disciples. I mean, you see with the 1 ,500 monks

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that he had there, and not every one of them

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could be a direct disciple. So let's say he had

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50 around him. That's a big bunch. And then each

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one of these 50 would have so many students,

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and then down the line, you see. So direct, Maka

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Shapa was his direct student, and we would say

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Sariputra was, Ananda was. And the basket of

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discipline, the second basket, is called the

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Vinyana, not Vinyana, Vinaya, Vinaya Pitaka.

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These are the rules of the Sangha. It's sort

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of like when we have Sashin you follow certain

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rules, the rules of the discipline. Okay, and

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the Abhidharma, Pitaka, it has been called the

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basket of metaphysics. What it is, is all the

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works that have followed and come from them,

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which analyze the philosophy behind the teaching.

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You see, Buddha would say something, and then

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people would take that and say, well he means

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this, and he means this, and he means this, and

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they would build up a whole philosophy about

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what he meant when he said one thing. So now

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this is the third basket, the abhidharma basket.

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Now this particular dharma, what they call this

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basket, is not really considered a sutra. A sutra

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is a thread that leads you back to the source.

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It is not considered actually a sutra, but it

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is included in the basket of discourses. the

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Sutra Pataka. And you'll see why. Now most of

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these Sutras, these talks that have been preserved

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in the Kali Kanan were mostly for the monks and

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for the nuns. I mean you read some of them and

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you think, I can't do that. But the Dhammapada

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is meant for everyone. It's for the lay student.

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And it has about 426 verses, which are supposed

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to be read and reflected upon and meditated upon.

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You take a phrase and you meditate about it like

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a con. And the meditation in bypassing here.

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In orthodox Buddhism is called the vipassana

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method, which is the effortless effort meditation.

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It is the simple sitting and observing what is

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going on from top to bottom. And this is out

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of the samsara yoga thing. It is a very successful

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method. Simply observing. What rises? simply

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observing what rises. You have got nothing to

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do with it. It's quite volitional. It does it

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all of its own, sitting observing what rises.

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You bring nothing to the fore. You're not thinking.

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You're simply observing. You're watching. You're

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the witness. You simply let it rise. You observe

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what is going on and you make no judgment because

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the minute you make judgment upon it, You're

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in the picture and you're supposed to stay out

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of the picture. Effortless effort, meditation,

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vipassana, excellent. So anyway, together with

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the four noble truths and the eightfold noble

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path, we have this method and then we have these

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three things for transforming our lives. And

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right off, in the first chapter of these twin

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verses, it gives the direction, the cue. You

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go this way. What is presented, you see, is this

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pair of possibilities of human conduct. We have

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a negative, so -called negative possibility,

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the catering to ourselves. the catering to our

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conditioned personal ego desires. And then comes

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the positive possibility, which seems somehow

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to run contrary to our personal nature. So the

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negative possibility, this is accomplished without

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much strain. It doesn't take any effort really,

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you know. get out there and say, well, this is

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fine, it's the ego, so what, you know, but this

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is what I want, what I want. You know, not much

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string. And it can even be satisfying for a while,

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temporarily, you know, this ego satisfaction.

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Sure. You'd be surprised how many people are

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out there doing their thing with the music and

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all that, you know, the guitars and, you know,

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they finally get to play on stage. Wowie, boy,

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they've made the world. That's ego satisfaction.

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Now this, what we call a positive possibility,

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seemingly goes against the conditioning of our

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pleasure principle. And to make this switch,

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you know, to the other possibility takes a lot

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of effort, takes a great deal of effort. It is

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to some as if they're choosing pain instead of

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pleasure. And yet I think they'd be surprised

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in just trying to choose pleasure all the time,

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how much pain they cause for themselves. But

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we have these two possibilities. And each and

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every one of us, all of us, we are given. Again,

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and again, and again, and again, the opportunity

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to make the choice, whether you're going to choose

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the negative or the positive. Today, sometime

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today, I will venture to say within an hour after

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you leave here, you will probably have an opportunity

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to choose the negative easy way or the positive

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difficult way. First of all, you're here. So

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you made a choice already today. You chose the

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positive difficult instead of the negative easy.

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Sure, it's easier to stay in bed. Okay, now watch

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for the next opportunity. Just watch for it.

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I mean, you can go do what you want to anyway.

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But just watch and know that this is what you've

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done. Just to know what you're doing instead

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of running around in a blind fog. Yeah. So then

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you watch what you're doing, how you're doing,

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and why. No judging. Just what you're doing,

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why you do it, and how you do it. Diverged in

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a wood. And I, I took the one less traveled by.

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And that has made all the difference. That's

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Robert Frost, huh? I took the one less traveled

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by. And it has made all the difference. You know,

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and there's this little story, I think, a little

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anecdote, I think everybody knows. This certain

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man became very successful, head of a company

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and multimillionaire and while he was still quite

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young, I mean like 30. And so one day a man asked

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for an interview. which he gave him. And in the

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thing was, he asked him, you know, what do you

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think contributed most to your success? And the

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man answered right away, hard work. So this other

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fellow stood there for a while and he stood there

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and the silence got kind of long and finally

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he said, what's the second? You see, this is

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our problem. Isn't it? Yeah, this is our problem.

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See, I took the one less traveled by. Not just

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going along. Easy does it, huh? Hard work. Meditation

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now. Meditation is the training of the mind.

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To be able to concentrate the mind. To be able

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to make the mind one -pointed at will. That's

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a very difficult discipline. I mean, now are

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you all one -pointed? Right? All... Are you one

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-pointed? You're laughing. You're not one -pointed.

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Difficult. Hard work. And now this man, the Buddha,

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whom we call the Buddha, he had taken such pains

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to communicate... his meanings to people. He

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took such pains with it, and yet most of these

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people to whom he was talking would probably

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never have the time, nor the means, nor the desire

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to practice meditation. And yet he gave and he

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gave and he gave, 49 years worth, he gave. It

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has been said that he was an incorrigible optimist.

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And there's somewhere, there's something that

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he supposedly said, I am confident with the highest

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of confidence. He felt sure that he could go

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anywhere in India and find the needle in the

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haystack. That person who would come up to him

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after the sermon and say, I want to know more.

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I want to know more about how to prevent hostile

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thoughts from rising and taking over. Please

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teach me. The needle in the haystack, huh? But

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anyway, it's just, you know, hope lies in the

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heart eternal. Oh, God. Now, Buddhism. All of

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Buddhism. the Orthodox Buddhists, and all of

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the sects, and I, Kagan, Abhidhammasaka, which

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is the Kagan, all of Zen, all the sects, they

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all revolve around one point, which is the enlightenment

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experience. Enlightenment experience. Now enlightenment

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is bodhi, B -O -D -H -I, bodhi. And the word

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bodhi and the word buddha come from the same

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root word in Sanskrit, buddha, B -U -D -H, buddha.

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Which means to wake, to become aware of. So...

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One is supposed to become awakened from a life

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of relativity and from conditioning to the unconditioned

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life. Unconditioned life. And that unconditioned

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life includes, you know, this non -attachment,

00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.339
non -discrimination, non -identification, non

00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:57.059
-judgment, non -ego, and so on, and on, and so

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on, et cetera. Yeah, I'm gonna learn another

00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:06.220
language here one of these days. His teaching,

00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:10.839
the Buddhist teaching, based on his enlightenment,

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.180
and his purpose to direct every one of us, to

00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:23.099
this very same enlightenment, the samyak sambodhi,

00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:33.740
the perfect state which knows no equal. Now,

00:23:33.740 --> 00:23:38.339
as so at the very beginning, the very first,

00:23:38.900 --> 00:23:46.180
the importance is stressed. We must realize what

00:23:46.180 --> 00:23:53.700
we believe. We must know what we believe. We

00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:56.759
must know what we believe and we must know that

00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:04.619
we act on what we believe. We must know how we

00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:10.519
think. We must know that our thinking does not

00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:14.119
stand outside of ourselves, away from ourselves.

00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:19.440
What we think and what we feel in a religious

00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:29.019
manner is not out there. So that what all of

00:24:29.019 --> 00:24:39.359
this is about concerns us personally. So he urged

00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:44.859
his followers to value their personal experiences.

00:24:46.670 --> 00:24:51.829
to value them, not to rely on some other authority,

00:24:52.170 --> 00:24:56.589
because it is not out there. You rely on your

00:24:56.589 --> 00:25:02.329
own authority. And so each one of us, because

00:25:02.329 --> 00:25:07.089
it is a personal experience, and we must rely

00:25:07.089 --> 00:25:12.369
on something in ourselves, each of us, he said,

00:25:13.390 --> 00:25:18.930
to exert yourself for your own Emancipation.

00:25:22.390 --> 00:25:28.049
By oneself indeed is evil done from the sutras.

00:25:28.509 --> 00:25:34.069
By oneself is one injured. By oneself is evil

00:25:34.069 --> 00:25:42.710
left undone. By oneself is one purified. So purity

00:25:42.710 --> 00:25:46.410
and impurity of course belongs to oneself. No

00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:52.390
one purifies another. You all scoop up your own

00:25:52.390 --> 00:25:59.269
water out of the stream. If there is to be an

00:25:59.269 --> 00:26:02.829
awakening, you are the one that must wake up.

00:26:05.710 --> 00:26:08.809
You have to eat your own food, you have to drink

00:26:08.809 --> 00:26:11.750
your own water, you have to sleep for yourself,

00:26:11.789 --> 00:26:13.809
you have to go to the bathroom for yourself.

00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:18.339
Also, You cannot employ someone else to go to

00:26:18.339 --> 00:26:22.880
heaven or hell for you. You've got to go for

00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:27.240
yourself. It's a personal experience. Enlightenment

00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:40.000
is a personal experience. Now this man, Gautama,

00:26:40.660 --> 00:26:47.579
Shoptamuni, from the tribe, He went to the forest,

00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:50.900
you know, and he sat with these teachers for

00:26:50.900 --> 00:26:54.839
a number of years, and he had his experiences,

00:26:54.980 --> 00:27:03.160
and he was a man of... Well, people said of him,

00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.559
you know, the man, the shining one. You know,

00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.920
he had such an aura about him. You know, all

00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.059
this tranquility and this peace that was with

00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:22.599
him. and so on. And here was his teacher. And

00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:28.720
yet he of himself had a great doubt. So and he

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.380
had all these years of discipline in these forests,

00:27:32.380 --> 00:27:35.519
you know, and during which time he became an

00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.079
aesthetic. He was starving. He had a few grains

00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.759
of rice to eat every day. And then he saw the

00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.519
folly of this. Then it was, you know, erroneous.

00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.779
Because if you're that weak, you know, from starving,

00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.799
nothing is going to happen to you anyway. Your

00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:58.819
body can't stand it. So then he decided he would

00:27:58.819 --> 00:28:01.119
sit on his own. And he did. And as a legend goes,

00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.539
he went and sat under this Bodhi tree, this wake

00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:08.900
-up tree. Bodhi tree. And something, while he

00:28:08.900 --> 00:28:11.339
was sitting there, something happened to him.

00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.240
And there's all kinds of stories about the things

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.079
in the Mara came and tempted him and the snake.

00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.240
There's a big storm and here we were sitting

00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.420
in this meditation and the snake that wound itself

00:28:25.420 --> 00:28:30.779
around him to protect him. But something happened

00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:33.740
to him sitting under this tree. Something that

00:28:33.740 --> 00:28:39.660
was most fundamental. Something that was ultimate.

00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:46.819
and it set all his doubts at rest, this experience

00:28:46.819 --> 00:28:50.500
he had. It settled not only his intellectual

00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:56.380
doubts, but his spiritual anguish. And some people

00:28:56.380 --> 00:29:01.140
do have spiritual anguish. It's not just confined

00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:04.799
to Buddhism. There was St. John of the Cross,

00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.039
and of course we have in a similar manner the

00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:14.990
Book of Job and his struggles. We could put it

00:29:14.990 --> 00:29:22.190
in that context. Anyway, this man whom we now

00:29:22.190 --> 00:29:26.609
call the Buddha, his enlightenment was of such

00:29:26.609 --> 00:29:33.109
stature, such depth, you know, that 49 years

00:29:33.109 --> 00:29:38.710
of teaching did not exhaust it, had not reached

00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:40.890
the depths or the heights of it yet when he died.

00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:48.680
and then after him came Nagarjuna, Asvagosha,

00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:54.480
Vasa Bandhu and Asanga and a lot more. Kamurojiva

00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.119
who went to China also. They all delved into

00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:00.900
this teaching that this man had left behind and

00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:03.759
they absorbed it and they became enlightened

00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.440
and then they further developed aspects, particular

00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.839
aspects of it for others. Quite something, huh?

00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:20.920
And little Ananda, little Ananda, who was the

00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.599
Buddha's cousin and who was his attendant for

00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:29.940
many years and he had this great memory, he couldn't

00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:33.660
enter the realm of his teacher. You know, he

00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:37.880
was still, try as he would, he couldn't quite

00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:43.480
attain. And after the Buddha's death, Mahakashapa,

00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:48.960
became the great patriarch. And according to

00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:54.799
the tradition, this convocation took place, or

00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:58.299
this division, all this disagreement took place.

00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:05.380
And Ananda was not allowed to attend. He was

00:31:05.380 --> 00:31:09.099
not allowed to take part in it in any way. Even

00:31:09.099 --> 00:31:10.700
though he had been this close to the Buddha,

00:31:11.619 --> 00:31:13.819
And he had this wonderful memory. Mahakashapa

00:31:13.819 --> 00:31:16.140
wouldn't let him go. He wouldn't let him come

00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:20.680
to any good. So, you know, when this big gnoll

00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:25.180
came to him, grieving, you know, he went out

00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:28.000
into the forest and he stumbled around the forest

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.960
all night. And toward the morning in his stumbling,

00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:33.140
he stumbled over the roots of a tree and he fell

00:31:33.140 --> 00:31:37.859
down. And all of a sudden he was enlightened.

00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:49.400
He realized the truth. And then as the story

00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:55.000
goes, he ran back to Mahakashapa and he knocked

00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.339
on the door and he says, I have attained. I have

00:31:57.339 --> 00:32:01.720
attained. Open the door. I have attained. So

00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.039
Mahakashapa says, well, come on in. The door

00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:11.019
is locked. The door is locked. Ananda, why don't

00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:22.190
you then come in through the keyhole? That's

00:32:22.190 --> 00:32:30.329
the story. Ananda was the third Buddha, Mahakashapa,

00:32:30.410 --> 00:32:34.789
and then comes Ananda in the lineage. So he must

00:32:34.789 --> 00:32:39.089
have come in through the keyhole, huh? He must

00:32:39.089 --> 00:32:51.430
have. If one really sits down, and is together

00:32:51.430 --> 00:32:55.869
with himself and reads some of the words of the

00:32:55.869 --> 00:33:00.250
Buddha. You know, you can see that they, these

00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:04.789
words come out of this great eternal silence

00:33:04.789 --> 00:33:10.329
so that you should read them in silence. You

00:33:10.329 --> 00:33:14.549
should receive these words in silence. So then

00:33:14.549 --> 00:33:17.569
you could experience, you know, their purity.

00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.920
They're their crystal clearness, so direct to

00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.740
the point for all the talking around and around.

00:33:24.859 --> 00:33:27.079
Now intellectually, you know, we understand a

00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.819
lot of words, Sid. You know, simple words. You

00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:32.720
know, simple words they are, a lot of them. But

00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:37.440
their simplicity evidently is a problem. Jesus'

00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:43.420
words were simple. Birds have their nests and

00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:46.400
foxes have their holes, but the son of man hath

00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.240
nowhere to lay his head. Very simple, very well

00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:57.099
put. We want to make something else out of it.

00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:04.119
We're very complex. To understand simplicity,

00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.139
we must become simple at heart. Simple in the

00:34:09.139 --> 00:34:12.780
heart. And we read words sometimes and they're

00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:16.900
called moral precepts. Moral precepts. And they

00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:21.019
convey similar ideas to what I read this morning

00:34:21.019 --> 00:34:24.659
from the Dhammapada. And we skip over it very

00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:26.920
blithely, but I already know this. I shouldn't

00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:30.099
lie, I shouldn't steal, and so on. I shouldn't

00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:33.039
drink. That's almost on the top of the list as

00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:48.360
far as Buddha was concerned. If you did know,

00:34:48.739 --> 00:34:52.179
really know, you wouldn't skip over them. Each

00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:55.519
phrase would become maybe like an essence to

00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.820
be savored. Like a turn of a phrase. Sometimes

00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:02.119
you know a phrase sticks in the mind because

00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:08.119
you like it so. Or you savor some food that you

00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:16.760
thoroughly enjoy. So some of these. Simple little

00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:26.300
phrases. And I found a copy, I was telling Roslyn,

00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.960
of the Philokalia. And they have something very

00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:36.280
similar in that old book. It's old fashioned

00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:40.239
language. You know this, but if you have read

00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.869
the Pilgrim, there's a Pilgrim on the way. the

00:35:44.869 --> 00:35:47.710
way of the pilgrim, you know, his wandering around

00:35:47.710 --> 00:35:54.369
Russia, his devotion, and reading his book, and

00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:57.289
of course he became, you can read it right in

00:35:57.289 --> 00:36:00.050
the lines, he doesn't ever say it, he keeps himself

00:36:00.050 --> 00:36:03.389
so humble all the time, but oh you should, it

00:36:03.389 --> 00:36:06.530
comes right out of the pages, it leaps at you,

00:36:07.170 --> 00:36:10.010
you know, and it says in there, in this little

00:36:10.010 --> 00:36:13.289
book, almost right at the beginning, if you find

00:36:13.289 --> 00:36:19.920
yourself hating your fellow men and resist this

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:27.000
hatred. And you see that it grows weak and withdraws.

00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:31.719
Do not rejoice in your heart, for this withdrawal

00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:46.260
is a trick of the evil spirits. Which is usually

00:36:46.260 --> 00:36:48.619
the opposite of what we think, huh? I'll fight

00:36:48.619 --> 00:36:52.340
it and I'll fight it until I whip it. And when

00:36:52.340 --> 00:36:55.780
it begins to withdraw, ha ha, I've conquered.

00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:13.179
Now this Dhammapada, the Dharma, the Dhamma.

00:37:14.469 --> 00:37:18.730
existence itself in which there is no hierarchy,

00:37:20.050 --> 00:37:23.050
no hierarchy. There's nothing small and there's

00:37:23.050 --> 00:37:28.010
nothing great. The brightest star and the smallest

00:37:28.010 --> 00:37:33.309
blade of grass exist in this universe as equals.

00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:45.449
The Dhamma also means justice. equality and virtue.

00:37:47.150 --> 00:37:50.030
We may have our ideas of what is right and what

00:37:50.030 --> 00:37:52.929
is wrong, but when you look at existence without

00:37:52.929 --> 00:37:56.429
any prejudice, with no prejudice you look out

00:37:56.429 --> 00:38:02.730
there nothing is wrong. Nothing is wrong. Looking

00:38:02.730 --> 00:38:05.710
at existence, birth is right, death is right,

00:38:05.829 --> 00:38:08.269
beauty is right, ugliness is right. Nothing is

00:38:08.269 --> 00:38:16.019
wrong. way of looking at the world is very partial.

00:38:20.739 --> 00:38:23.920
We are like a person who is hiding behind the

00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.739
door and he's looking at the scene through a

00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:36.000
keyhole. Through the keyhole one sees things.

00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.519
One sees movement. One sees people, and cars,

00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.280
and horses, and dogs, and cats, and so on. One

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.320
moment they're here, the next moment they're

00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:54.639
not. One moment not here, next moment here, and

00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.460
the next moment gone. This is how we ordinarily

00:38:58.460 --> 00:39:01.500
look at existence. We have a future, we have

00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:04.900
a present, and we have a past. All seen through

00:39:04.900 --> 00:39:11.530
this keyhole. And we should drop this keyhole

00:39:11.530 --> 00:39:20.550
vision. If you could see the hole, everything

00:39:20.550 --> 00:39:25.070
is as it should be. Everything is right. Nothing

00:39:25.070 --> 00:39:32.590
is wrong. That's one way of looking at this word,

00:39:32.949 --> 00:39:38.900
domino. It also can mean God. which word we have

00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:43.119
made altogether too personal. So we avoid kind

00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:47.340
of the use of it because we have been brought

00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:50.000
up with this, God is a personal father to whom

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.280
we can ask all kinds of things, requests to be

00:39:54.280 --> 00:40:01.940
made to make my life easier. Dhamma can mean

00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:07.320
discipline. The one who wants to know the truth

00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.900
disciplines himself. It depends on how much you

00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:11.639
want to know the truth as to how hard you will

00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.420
discipline yourself. Discipline means the capacity

00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:27.360
to learn. So it is being here. Here. That is

00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:34.320
being available to learning. Being receptive.

00:40:34.510 --> 00:40:40.969
to learning. Not everybody is. One must be ready

00:40:40.969 --> 00:40:45.349
to drop beliefs and prejudices. One must be willing

00:40:45.349 --> 00:40:48.969
to set the thinking aside and to look into this

00:40:48.969 --> 00:40:53.250
matter, this matter, huh? This matter being religion,

00:40:53.630 --> 00:41:00.190
this matter, this road, this matter without any

00:41:00.190 --> 00:41:06.639
a priori conception. And the more you sit, the

00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.059
more you realize, oh my God, I don't believe

00:41:10.059 --> 00:41:18.639
that. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Difficult to

00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:23.519
find out what you do believe and what your prejudices

00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.960
are. You don't have any idea how shocked I was

00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:31.179
to find out I was arrogant. Being a German, I'm

00:41:31.179 --> 00:41:34.340
arrogant. All of a sudden, this is brought to

00:41:34.340 --> 00:41:44.360
my attention. I'm not either. Dharma or Dhamma

00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:51.900
also means the ultimate truth. When the thinking

00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:54.980
disappears, all of a sudden you can really hold

00:41:54.980 --> 00:41:57.840
this focus and there's no thinking in the picture.

00:41:59.019 --> 00:42:10.099
When the ego disappears, what remains? It's a

00:42:10.099 --> 00:42:12.719
little difficult, you know, we're so hooked on

00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.019
this thinking, but if your thinking disappears,

00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:22.619
how are you going to think the truth? You can't.

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.900
You cannot. And your thinking has got to be set

00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:31.079
aside in order to perceive the truth. But now,

00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:33.300
what are you going to do with it when you can't

00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:37.940
think? The truth is us and us and us and us.

00:42:38.380 --> 00:42:42.840
That's what we say to ourselves, huh? You can't

00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:47.179
do that. You can't think and have the truth.

00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.179
The same instance, huh? Afterwards you can think

00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:56.239
about it, but hmm. When the thinking and the

00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.719
ego for one split second is missing, what remains?

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:10.260
Certainly something. Or how could you even know

00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:13.780
that you had an experience? Something remains,

00:43:14.420 --> 00:43:20.619
huh? And of course to call it something isn't

00:43:20.619 --> 00:43:23.860
quite correct. So the Buddha called it nothing.

00:43:30.260 --> 00:43:33.690
Well, you know, it's kind of like a seed. In

00:43:33.690 --> 00:43:38.429
the autumn, the seed drops to the ground. And

00:43:38.429 --> 00:43:41.110
then it's in the wintertime, you know, there's

00:43:41.110 --> 00:43:47.650
rain and sleet and hail and snow maybe, you know,

00:43:47.730 --> 00:43:50.630
and the little seed is driven into the soil.

00:43:51.650 --> 00:43:55.849
So now it's under the ground. And then comes

00:43:55.849 --> 00:44:00.150
the spring, and there's this warm sunshine, and

00:44:00.150 --> 00:44:04.079
maybe there's some more rain. And the outer coating

00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:09.760
of the seed becomes loose and finally it drops

00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:14.420
away and it rots, it disintegrates. So now we

00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:22.860
have the kernel of the seed left. And with this

00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:27.159
kernel of the seed there is more water and more

00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:33.420
warmth and it too begins to disintegrate. so

00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:40.679
that nothing is left except the essence. Out

00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:46.860
of this disintegration comes again another tree

00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:57.400
because the tree was in the seed. The whole of

00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:01.699
the tree, every twig, every branch, All the flowers,

00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:05.039
all the leaves, all the fruit was in the seed.

00:45:06.619 --> 00:45:11.079
Did you see it? If you took it apart, would you

00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:21.460
see it? No way. You see nothing. You dissect

00:45:21.460 --> 00:45:25.440
that seed and you see nothing, but it's there.

00:45:26.300 --> 00:45:31.530
Isn't that incredible? It's such a mystery. But

00:45:31.530 --> 00:45:34.469
you can experience that and this is of course

00:45:34.469 --> 00:45:39.469
the thing that we are going through. Okay, so

00:45:39.469 --> 00:45:42.570
much now for the Dhamma. What about the Pada?

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Which means a path. It means a way to go. In

00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:54.849
religion, there are certain questions and they

00:45:54.849 --> 00:46:02.429
are related to what and how. Now the what cannot

00:46:02.429 --> 00:46:06.309
be talked about. Actually can't. It can't be

00:46:06.309 --> 00:46:12.989
described. I mean if you say the word God, this

00:46:12.989 --> 00:46:15.809
is not God. If you say the word truth, this is

00:46:15.809 --> 00:46:18.889
not truth. I mean it's not simply a play on words

00:46:18.889 --> 00:46:22.030
and things like that. You cannot. It's what.

00:46:23.289 --> 00:46:25.789
I mean so somebody says it's something and somebody

00:46:25.789 --> 00:46:28.050
else says it's nothing and somebody else says

00:46:28.050 --> 00:46:35.800
it's an essence. and the what. But the how, that's

00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.539
a little different. How shall I go about finding

00:46:39.539 --> 00:46:42.780
myself, this true self that I've heard so much

00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:46.139
about? Well, what path am I going to follow for

00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:51.059
it? Now this can sort of be indicated, you know.

00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.800
Another person can tell you of the way they traveled,

00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:58.579
how they went up the mountain. How they went

00:46:58.579 --> 00:47:01.460
through this very arduous climb and they were

00:47:01.460 --> 00:47:03.739
tired and they were hungry and they were thirsty.

00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:12.079
This is hard work. After this hard work that

00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:17.659
they put in on themselves, the what happens on

00:47:17.659 --> 00:47:26.909
the peak? You know, Moses, they tell of Moses

00:47:26.909 --> 00:47:31.789
going up Mount Sinai, you know, and he was confronted

00:47:31.789 --> 00:47:34.630
with the God who gave him some tablets with the

00:47:34.630 --> 00:47:37.449
moral precepts called commandments. They never

00:47:37.449 --> 00:47:40.610
called them the law and the commandments. I wonder

00:47:40.610 --> 00:47:46.449
what really happened. They say that, you know,

00:47:46.510 --> 00:47:51.909
Moses, there is a theory around and about that

00:47:51.909 --> 00:47:56.389
Moses, was a relative of the Pharaoh. He was

00:47:56.389 --> 00:48:01.829
eye -ranking in the hierarchy. And that he did

00:48:01.829 --> 00:48:08.110
lead these people out into the desert. But out

00:48:08.110 --> 00:48:14.769
there they killed him. And one of the men that

00:48:14.769 --> 00:48:17.090
were in the group took over. And he's the one

00:48:17.090 --> 00:48:21.170
that really went up the mountain. That's the

00:48:21.170 --> 00:48:30.400
theory that's out now. Poor Moses. Anyway, this

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.039
search for truth. And if one has this passionate

00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.800
search for truth, it gives you a foundation.

00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:40.880
You stand on a foundation. It's kind of like

00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.599
standing on cement in yourself. You know, a good

00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.780
foundation. That's Pada. See, it's the foot.

00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.599
It's the step. So, you know, because we all know

00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:57.840
we have to move from where we are now to become

00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.659
part of the process. I mean, not that we're not,

00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:01.559
we are part of the process, but our thinking

00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:06.380
keeps us out of it, away from it, huh? You can't

00:49:06.380 --> 00:49:10.019
just remain a little pool all by yourself, isolated

00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:12.780
and so on. You know, because it is said only

00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:16.280
rivers reach the ocean and it's the ocean that

00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.119
you want. A pool goes nowhere. It just sits in

00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.460
itself and finally gets smelly and it's got a

00:49:22.460 --> 00:49:24.920
bunch of twigs and it leaves and they all settle

00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.320
and then finally become stagnant. Is that what

00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.380
you want to do? I don't think so. So one learns

00:49:30.380 --> 00:49:35.820
a flow, you know, be alive, become a river, you

00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:40.900
know, a river of life. There is a river of life.

00:49:43.099 --> 00:49:45.239
We should be flowing with it. We're not just

00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.280
supposed to sit on the banks of it and wait.

00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:56.840
Don't just be a piece of driftwood. You know,

00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.860
then you're at the mercy of the wind and the

00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:01.699
water and all what else. So you're not knowing

00:50:01.699 --> 00:50:04.880
where you're going and not knowing who you are.

00:50:07.340 --> 00:50:17.340
Go to the river. Dhammapada. The way to the Dharma.

00:50:19.699 --> 00:50:24.900
The way to the ultimate truth. Right? We are

00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:27.260
what we think that's what it starts out with

00:50:27.260 --> 00:50:31.000
we are what we think all that we are rises with

00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.639
our thoughts Thoughts rise they come and they

00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:39.019
go and we pick and choose We like this. We don't

00:50:39.019 --> 00:50:43.960
like that. You know who picks and chooses You

00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.019
ever watch it you ever watch this process in

00:50:46.019 --> 00:50:50.980
yourself Observing and you know that without

00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:56.920
thoughts we don't know ourselves Thoughts are

00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.739
objective to our being something in here being

00:50:59.739 --> 00:51:03.380
subjective and it is when this objective is in

00:51:03.380 --> 00:51:07.840
here these thoughts That we begin to know and

00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.760
I'm in here If there's no objective, there's

00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.699
no subjective we never know I'm in here like

00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:16.760
my kitty will never know she's in there that

00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.300
she's a kitty cat We need something to bounce

00:51:22.300 --> 00:51:25.340
on And this is of course one of the stories out

00:51:25.340 --> 00:51:39.159
of India, you know. What's his name? 10 ,000

00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:42.139
names and I can't think of one. Anyway, they're

00:51:42.139 --> 00:51:45.739
the Indian god who created the world, you know.

00:51:50.019 --> 00:51:57.099
He's in heaven. He has everything. And he's lonesome.

00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:07.940
So he creates this lila and he bumps up against

00:52:07.940 --> 00:52:20.230
that. And now that becomes the world. Yeah. He

00:52:20.230 --> 00:52:23.389
ought to know quite a bit about himself by now.

00:52:25.469 --> 00:52:30.989
So also we call this an energy world. And the

00:52:30.989 --> 00:52:35.489
energy world is a world that science investigates.

00:52:36.309 --> 00:52:40.809
And it is this energy that impinges upon us,

00:52:41.389 --> 00:52:44.289
on the body, on the eyes, and the ears, and the

00:52:44.289 --> 00:52:48.050
mouth, and the tongue, and the nose, and so on.

00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:53.900
The energy impinges on our sense receptors. And

00:52:53.900 --> 00:53:01.960
because of the sense data, these impingements

00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.519
and the pictures that come about in the psyche,

00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:11.420
because of these energy impingements, we have

00:53:11.420 --> 00:53:15.980
an interpretation of the world which is called

00:53:15.980 --> 00:53:22.170
an appearance. That's what we have got through

00:53:22.170 --> 00:53:28.949
our senses, an interpretation. And it's our interpretation.

00:53:29.670 --> 00:53:32.449
Everybody can say this is my interpretation,

00:53:32.969 --> 00:53:35.309
because that's the only interpretation that it

00:53:35.309 --> 00:53:41.730
can be, is yours, mine. All that we are rises

00:53:41.730 --> 00:53:47.869
with our thoughts. All that we are rises with

00:53:47.869 --> 00:53:58.619
our thoughts. Before the thought, what is? It's

00:53:58.619 --> 00:54:00.619
like saying, you know, before the world began,

00:54:00.619 --> 00:54:04.019
you know, who are you? It's a very basic fundamental

00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:13.219
thing. And so you sit with this. Do you expect

00:54:13.219 --> 00:54:23.510
a verbal answer? Before the thought, there cannot

00:54:23.510 --> 00:54:28.530
be a verbal answer. You'll be thinking right

00:54:28.530 --> 00:54:35.769
away again. Before the thought, you cannot say,

00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:39.969
I am a Catholic, I'm a Protestant, I am a Jew,

00:54:40.449 --> 00:54:45.449
I'm a Hindu, I'm a Sufi, and whatever else you

00:54:45.449 --> 00:54:49.000
want to put in that category. None of the above

00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.219
can you say. You're not any of these. You are

00:54:52.219 --> 00:55:00.059
not any of these. It takes thought to recognize

00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:07.699
the fact that I'm a Sufi. Before the thought.

00:55:08.179 --> 00:55:11.599
Before the thought the Bible disappears, the

00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.000
Gita disappears, the Quran disappears, the Dhammapada

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:20.940
disappears. All the Zen writings disappear, you

00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:24.500
know, because there aren't any words. And then

00:55:24.500 --> 00:55:29.860
what is your name? You cannot say. Because this

00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:34.880
is before thought. What country? What race? Nothing.

00:55:36.260 --> 00:55:41.739
Before the thought, you know, what are you? Before

00:55:41.739 --> 00:55:50.280
the thought. We are what we think. All that we

00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.900
are rises from our thoughts. With our thoughts

00:55:53.900 --> 00:55:59.860
we make the world. So then we decide, well, you

00:55:59.860 --> 00:56:02.739
know, I don't much like the world that I see

00:56:02.739 --> 00:56:05.079
and so I'm going to do some of this meditation

00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:10.159
business. The practice thereof. Meditation practice.

00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:12.760
And it takes a great deal of practice, I may

00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:17.619
say. to allow the mind to stop churning this

00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:21.380
activity. It's frenzied almost at times. And

00:56:21.380 --> 00:56:23.840
of course when you sit for a while it's going

00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.519
to get worse because now all of a sudden you're

00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.579
paying attention to it. It makes it seem worse.

00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:35.099
But meditation is about dropping the thinking,

00:56:35.860 --> 00:56:40.199
ignoring the thinking, and learning to hold a

00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:45.739
one -pointed concentration. That is being mindful.

00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:51.960
Finding the space before the thought. Moving

00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.860
into another aspect of consciousness. It's called

00:56:55.860 --> 00:56:58.639
sometimes no mind. That's as good as nothing.

00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:04.079
And in this no mind state we discover many, many,

00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:08.619
many wonderful things. No mind is like no classification.

00:57:09.250 --> 00:57:12.409
No mind is the same as no judgment. No mind is

00:57:12.409 --> 00:57:15.070
the same as non -discrimination. No mind is no

00:57:15.070 --> 00:57:18.269
identification. No mind is no ego. No ego, no

00:57:18.269 --> 00:57:29.030
self. Who are you? Now the moving from the thinking

00:57:29.030 --> 00:57:32.869
mind to this non -ego mind or no mind is a step

00:57:32.869 --> 00:57:36.789
and this is the pada. It is this shift, you know.

00:57:37.130 --> 00:57:40.690
the shift of what you usually think you are to

00:57:40.690 --> 00:57:48.230
not what you think you are. What you are in spiritual

00:57:48.230 --> 00:57:52.510
fact as opposed to empirical fact. It's pure

00:57:52.510 --> 00:57:57.050
mind. Impure mind is a mind that is conditioned.

00:57:57.550 --> 00:58:01.989
It doesn't mean it's dirty. It's conditioned.

00:58:02.630 --> 00:58:07.019
What you believe, your thoughts. A pure mind

00:58:07.019 --> 00:58:13.260
is an unconditioned mind. Look how he abused

00:58:13.260 --> 00:58:16.699
me and beat me, how he threw me down and robbed

00:58:16.699 --> 00:58:22.780
me. Abandon such thoughts and live in love. He

00:58:22.780 --> 00:58:30.260
robbed me. He took away my good name. He lied

00:58:30.260 --> 00:58:34.800
about me. He threw me down, down into the cellar.

00:58:34.809 --> 00:58:38.530
way down in the cellar. You going to stay there?

00:58:41.849 --> 00:58:45.050
So just have your moment of anger. Something

00:58:45.050 --> 00:58:49.889
has gone awry, but let it be a clean anger. Sharp

00:58:49.889 --> 00:58:54.369
and short. It's not going to do you any harm.

00:58:54.849 --> 00:58:57.949
You can let it go. And it goes with some people,

00:58:58.170 --> 00:59:03.300
like it rises and goes with other people. You

00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:06.260
see, that's where the problem comes in. Harboring

00:59:06.260 --> 00:59:10.800
it and holding it and hating it and desiring

00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:16.760
revenge. Now you're making your world what it

00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:20.760
is. And it will take you over, as this book said,

00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:22.860
like evil spirits. These are the evil spirits.

00:59:24.780 --> 00:59:29.699
Be angry and abandon it. And then you can live

00:59:29.699 --> 00:59:54.820
in love. If you find Lola's talks valuable, more

00:59:54.820 --> 00:59:56.480
will be posted in weeks to come.
