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Here is one of a series of talks by spiritual

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leader Lola McDowell Lee, spanning two decades

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from the early 70s through the 90s. Lola was

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a Zen Roshi, whose Rinzai lineage included Dr.

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Henry Plotov and renowned Zen master Shigetsu

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Sasaki. Lola was a religious scholar as well

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as an ordained Christian minister. While the

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talks are focused mainly on Zen and Buddhism,

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Lola drew on many spiritual traditions, including

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those of Jesus, Plato, Lao Tzu, the Hindu Vedas,

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Meister Eckhart, and Gurdjieff. The Prime Minister,

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Kho Tu, and he lived in the Tang dynasty. was

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an outstanding statesman. He was a distinguished

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general and he was one of the most admired national

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heroes of his day. Now his fame and his wealth

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and his power and his success didn't distract

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him from his very keen deep interest and his

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devotion to Zen. Regarding himself as a very

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plain and humble, devoted individual, he very

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often visited his favorite Zen master to study

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with him. Now he and this Zen master, they seem

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to get along very well. The fact that he was

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a prime minister seemed to have no influence

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on their situation, you know, this association.

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There was no noticeable trace of politeness on

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the part of the Zen master, or nor was there

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any of this vain loftiness on the part of the

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minister. The association seemed to be purely

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religious, that of a revered master and teacher

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and an obedient disciple. One day, however, when

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he was paying this usual visit to the Zen master,

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this general, this prime minister, he asked a

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question. And he says, your reverence, how does

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Zen explain egotism? And suddenly, this Zen master's

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face turned blue. And in a very haughty and very

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contemptuous tone of voice, he said, what are

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you saying, you numbskull? And this really unreasonable

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and very unexpected defiance so hurt the feelings

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of the prime minister that this slight sullen

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expression began to creep over his face. This

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little bit of anger, you know, showed. And then

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Zen Master, he then smiled and he said, Your

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Excellency, this is ego. This is ego. It's a

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big problem. Our ego function is a very basic

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problem, and much more so than most people realize.

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To function in this world, we need the ego. But

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to discover what we truly are, then the ego is

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the biggest stumbling block. Now during, now

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next week, starting next Sunday night, the week

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of seshin, you know, we're gonna have no talking,

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no communicating with one another except in emergencies

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and very dire circumstances and so on and so

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on. So there will be lots of opportunities for

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you to perceive egotism. Really. You know. And

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that's part of what these rules and regulations

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are for. So you can observe yourself rather than

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observing the other guy. You can observe yourself

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in reaction and your responding and so on and

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so on. Now because you know many people And I

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don't know how many of you here do this, but

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many people live with the notion that the ego

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is a little something that hides in here and

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picks its head out every once in a while to get

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us into trouble, you know. And then of course

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others, they think about this ego as this myself,

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this myself that I'm dealing with every day in

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every way. And it's not getting any better. Could

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this myself be the ego? Could it be? Then I jolly

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well better find this real self or this true

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identity. But then comes the question, how? I

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am so caught up in this world, in this pseudo

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self, In this ego, this myself, I don't really

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know where to look. All I see is myself. I don't

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know how to look. How does one seek the self,

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the true self? Well, let's say, take a child.

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Child is born. And a child is born without any

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information, objectively speaking. It's very

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wise, but it has no information, and it certainly

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doesn't know that it's wise. He has no information

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about himself. And because of this, we say he

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is born tabulo rasa, with a clean slate. He has

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no information in his mind. It's being questioned

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today that this tabula rasa is not true. You

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know, that he's being born with tendencies, so

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he's not pure. You know, he's not all this clean.

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But when you, if you really study the thing,

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there is nothing in the psyche. There is nothing

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in the mind. There is no content to consciousness.

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It is his body. that responds, you see, at the

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beginning. The mind has accumulated nothing as

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yet simply because he is not aware of himself

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and he has not met other. Also, the first thing

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he becomes aware of is not himself. No. He becomes

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aware, first of all, of other. Food comes from

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out there. It doesn't rise in him. It comes from

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out there. Bath comes from out there. He gets

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clean from out there. Love comes from out there.

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And as the eyes begin to focus, you know, the

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eyes move out. The hands move out. Everything

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is out there, you know, other than me. Other,

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it's other, only he doesn't know, this is all

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his world at this time, you know. The tongue

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tastes, the ears hear, the nose twitches with

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aromas, out there. Our senses move out, always

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out, and so we are caught out there. We are born

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into this world and it is for us a world out

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there. A world seemingly out there. Then little

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by little he becomes aware of a person. Later

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on he will call her mother. Little by little

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he becomes aware of his own body. You know he

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looks at his hand. He girdles with it, and oh,

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and that's something, but it's not his. It's

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out there. It's other to him. You know, but it

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is such a tremendous discovery. All through this,

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you know, little things happening, he chewing

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on things, and then it hurts. You know, sometimes

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he hurts himself with the things he chews on.

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But little by little, he begins to be aware of

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himself. He becomes aware of others and then

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in contrast to other he becomes aware of me.

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Now that's the road we've all come. Other and

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then me. Now for a long, long time this baby

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me, that is other and me, I and thou, The awareness

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of me in contrast to awareness of other, this

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is a reflected awareness. First, he is aware

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only of his mother. He's not aware of what he

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is. He's aware of his mother and what she thinks

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about him. Because of the mother he is in the

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contrast If mother smiles if she appreciates

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the child if she says to it you are beautiful

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And if she hugs him and kisses him the child

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feels very good about himself If she ignores

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him it doesn't think much about him the child

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doesn't feel good about himself So either way

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though Loving, lovingly attentive or ignoring,

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the ego comes into its own. It reflects. There

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is a reflection in us. Through appreciation,

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through love and care, he feels he is good. He

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feels he is valuable. He feels he is of some

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significance. And something like a center begins

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to build. And this is the reflective center.

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what others think. And if a mother is sharp,

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she will observe her child to find out something

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about herself, because that's all he's doing

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for a while is simply reflecting her. She has

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to be very objective to do this, of course, which

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most women aren't. A man can be much more objective

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than a woman. Now if someone thinks the child,

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if the mother thinks that the child is of no

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use, and nobody appreciates him, and nobody smiles,

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this is also what is reflected. It is what we

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call an ill ego. It's sad. He's rejected. He

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feels inferior. He's worthless. That's what his

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center then reflects. So if we go too far in

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any direction in the treatment of a child, the

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ego becomes ill. You can become too attentive

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and you can ignore too much. And either way,

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this reflection becomes ill. So mama walks just

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a very, very fine line and it's too bad mothers

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aren't trained. that this is the case. And then

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pretty soon father enters a picture and well

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the same thing happens all over again. The father

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supports the child, loves him. Or he rejects

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him. Usually the father says, well, I want to

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rear a strong, affectionate, valuable human being.

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And he sets the kid on the chair and says, shut

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up. You know, strange things we do. But anyway,

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first the mother. In the beginning, the mother.

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The child must learn to know his mother. And

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then the father. Now when we begin in our later

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years when we mature a little bit and we begin

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to try to find this true self Same thing first

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the mother We learn to know the mother then through

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the mother the father can be approached We live

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in the mother Just as the child lives in the

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aura of the mother and her influence We live

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in the mother because we are after all part and

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parcel of nature and the great mother she's called,

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you know and For a child mother is the beginning

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Whether you take it on a personal level or we

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take it later on when when when the person begins

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to look This is the beginning mother is the beginning

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Then, as a child grows up, however, with his

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reflective center, others begin to enter in and

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his world grows and grows and grows and it becomes

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very complex because he discovers others do not

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think alike. They all seem to have different

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opinions. How can this be? They have likes and

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dislikes and they don't, they're not compatible.

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So it's all very complex. And now this ego, very

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complex. Because all of these opinions are reflected.

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And it's all reflection. It is an accumulation

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of phenomena. The accumulation of phenomena,

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it is a by -product of living with others. If

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a child lived totally alone, he might never have

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any ego to any great extent, but he would remain

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quite animal -like. And of course, never having

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developed this reflective ego, he could never

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come to know the true self. That real true self

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can be known only through passing through this

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ego, passing through the pseudo self. So ego

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is a must. We have to know other. Then we can

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know me. Then we look at other within ourselves,

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because this is all reflection. And then from

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that reflection, again, now to an I. First we

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have to know what is not true. We have to learn

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to meet it. We become aware that we're living

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a myth. and that we live in an illusion, a reflection,

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and we learn that we do have deluded minds, as

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sharp as we may be and as sharp as we may think

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we are. We still have, you know, it's a deluded

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mind, you know. But through a discipline, if

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you come to know the false is false, then suddenly

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truth opens her eyes and she smiles on you. Now

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let's say this child becomes an adult. He's a

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mature person. Now he wants to know something

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about himself, really. And he begins to question,

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you know, this whole thing where he finds himself,

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this world. And he says, what am I doing here?

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Who am I? And where did I come from? Where am

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I going? And he's told he will find the answers

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to these questions. in religion. So he begins

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to look around for a suitable religion, usually

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suitable to what he already thinks. And so by,

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you know, in a way he kind of tricks himself.

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He's looking for an easy way. He doesn't want

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any conflict. And there being more than 300,

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I think it's pretty close to 400 religious sects

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in the world, which is going to be most valuable

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out of them. Besides, we don't really have time

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to look, do we? Through that many. So, now within

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the realm of science, scientists more or less

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look at things in a similar manner. So they have

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said that science as such is one. It's divided

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into all its many aspects, like biology, anatomy,

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neurology, astronomy, physics, astrophysics,

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you name it. But all of this is under an umbrella,

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which is called science. And science has been

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looking for, well, in the Western world, since

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the Ionian days in Greece, you know, looking

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for a fundamental matter, a fundamental source.

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And they finally, you know, came upon the atom

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theory that there was, they finally found an

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atom and that couldn't be divided anymore, so

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that was the thing that held for a long time.

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But when we come now from turn from science to

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religion, with these almost 400 sects all looking

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for a fundamental truth? Are they? Are all of

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these nearly 400 sects looking for a fundamental

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truth? Then we begin, you know, we look around

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and we finally realize there are sects and there

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is religion. See, truth also is one and truth

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is universal. And so that if one looks at it,

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that the source is one, then religion becomes

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one, one religion. Meister Eckhart belonged to

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this religion, the Buddha belonged to this religion,

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Jesus belonged to this religion, to religion.

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Muhammad, Ramanuja, Narajuna, Bodhidharma, Chuang

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Tzu, Lao Tzu, Rinzai, Dogen, Hakuin, Zenji, you

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know, and then we've got Jikuen, Kugai, and Tianli.

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Yeah. To religion as such. There is a fundamental

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source. There is a fundamental truth. And the

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great traditions hold to it. And the little sects

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vary from it. The traditions all have different

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approaches and with a few of them you have to

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get way inside before you can even see that what

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they're approaching is similar to something else.

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But under all, or overall, there is this everlasting

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light. And it is the light that lighteth every

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man. Never mind the buttons or the bows. You

00:22:57.309 --> 00:22:59.410
know, the sects have divided. Should you tie

00:22:59.410 --> 00:23:03.829
your shoes or should you button your shoes? What

00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:05.930
difference does it make? You're wearing shoes

00:23:05.930 --> 00:23:12.890
at all. Jesus was crucified on a cross. It was

00:23:12.890 --> 00:23:19.930
a very large, heavy, wooden cross. And not too

00:23:19.930 --> 00:23:24.210
many years later, there were bishops around the

00:23:24.210 --> 00:23:28.029
Mediterranean. and in Rome and in Athens, wearing

00:23:28.029 --> 00:23:34.089
gold crosses around their necks. This is society.

00:23:37.930 --> 00:23:42.450
This is what it can do with man's search for

00:23:42.450 --> 00:23:49.869
himself. The difference. We accumulate trappings,

00:23:50.529 --> 00:23:55.049
which we think are essential. So, In a manner

00:23:55.049 --> 00:23:59.690
of speaking, it is our society itself that creates

00:23:59.690 --> 00:24:04.329
or helps to create this ego. It is the ambience

00:24:04.329 --> 00:24:07.109
in which we live. It is the atmosphere in which

00:24:07.109 --> 00:24:11.730
we exist. And this atmosphere in which we live

00:24:11.730 --> 00:24:19.109
is encompassing. And it can be controlled. And

00:24:19.109 --> 00:24:22.809
it can be manipulated. And we are reflecting

00:24:22.809 --> 00:24:28.059
all of this. Have you ever seen a society that

00:24:28.059 --> 00:24:34.299
could manipulate or control the true self? It

00:24:34.299 --> 00:24:43.500
stands aside. Now, this child we're talking about,

00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:53.500
you and me, we need a center. We're not yet aware

00:24:53.500 --> 00:24:58.240
of our true center. We're very busy learning

00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.720
how to live in this kind of an atmosphere, this

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:07.240
out there, this world. And when the time comes,

00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.579
when it is built enough, all of a sudden the

00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:14.599
urge comes and we turn around and we want to

00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:21.559
look in here. So the child, you know, as he grows

00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:24.759
up he goes to school. and he comes home and he

00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:28.400
tells his parents he's first in class. The whole

00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.160
family is very happy. They're hugging and kissing

00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.380
him and so on. And father pats him on the back

00:25:33.380 --> 00:25:36.859
and says, you are a pride to us. And mother says,

00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.220
what a beautiful, dutiful child. And it's such

00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:44.039
an ego buildup. Oh, he feels so good and he's

00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:49.119
so satisfied. He can step out into this world

00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:54.019
of out there now with some self assurance. with

00:25:54.019 --> 00:25:58.680
some confidence in himself. But if the child

00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.059
comes home and he's dejected, and he's not successful,

00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.039
he's a failure, he couldn't pass, and he sits

00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.660
on a back porch, and nobody appreciates him,

00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:13.079
his ego is very shaken, you know, and he begins

00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:19.640
to also reject himself. This is now in the reflection,

00:26:19.900 --> 00:26:23.359
he rejects himself. Now we have got a real barrel

00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.759
of monkeys to overcome. He is rejecting himself.

00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:35.839
We see these people. They are constantly asking

00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:40.079
for attention. Oh, in very subtle ways. We have

00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.359
learned very subtle ways to do this. This pay

00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:47.400
attention to me. This look at me. Just tell me

00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:52.880
I'm okay. And then they have sometimes this superiority.

00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.259
It's a kind of a stance. In their inferiority.

00:26:58.940 --> 00:27:01.200
They're covering it. And you can see it in the

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.180
way they hold themselves. In the way they speak.

00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.559
And in the way they don't speak. It's just the

00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:12.819
way they hold themselves. It's there. And finally,

00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.180
if they've got smarts enough, they wind up in

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:18.319
Zen. And all that's taken away. Little by little,

00:27:18.380 --> 00:27:23.240
huh? That's what teachers forward, to try to

00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:29.980
arrange, if possible, situations in order for

00:27:29.980 --> 00:27:36.740
us to see ourselves. For usually, not always,

00:27:36.859 --> 00:27:40.920
but usually, when people see themselves, they

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:46.259
will drop the contents of the psyche that they

00:27:46.259 --> 00:27:53.940
don't like, that they have looked at now. And

00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:57.099
they realize they're simply reflecting family

00:27:57.099 --> 00:28:01.579
and society. And in dropping that, in seeing

00:28:01.579 --> 00:28:04.859
it and dropping it, it allows them to become

00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:09.920
a real person, you know, an individual responsible

00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:15.420
for himself, to himself. Which, after all, you

00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:19.559
know, is a mark of maturity, isn't it? This responsibility

00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:24.579
for oneself. And sometimes this is the problem

00:28:24.579 --> 00:28:28.579
between husbands and wives. A man can be very

00:28:28.579 --> 00:28:31.660
successful in the business world and he works

00:28:31.660 --> 00:28:33.779
very hard and he has very little time to give

00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:38.140
to his wife. And she thinks she's not getting

00:28:38.140 --> 00:28:43.119
enough attention. There always seems to be something

00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:49.160
more important than me. And so she feels rejected.

00:28:55.420 --> 00:28:59.220
Sometimes, nowadays, it's the woman who succeeds

00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:02.140
and the husband doesn't know how to act with

00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:05.519
this reversal of roles. You know that she is

00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.259
more important out there than he is. And this

00:29:09.259 --> 00:29:13.440
is difficult for some men to deal with. He begins

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.400
to ask for attention, just as if it were the

00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.880
opposite, she asks for attention, which is done

00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:24.289
very subtly. but very often leads to arguments.

00:29:26.250 --> 00:29:29.589
You know, it's like one time our monk, you know,

00:29:30.190 --> 00:29:32.450
our monk that we dump all kinds of things on

00:29:32.450 --> 00:29:36.549
this monk. He and his wife had been at a cocktail

00:29:36.549 --> 00:29:41.650
party. And as we all know, the beverages served

00:29:41.650 --> 00:29:45.069
at a cocktail party sometimes loosen the tongue.

00:29:47.150 --> 00:29:51.009
You know, inhibitions are dropped. The sensory.

00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:55.220
has disappeared for a little while. But they're

00:29:55.220 --> 00:29:57.259
going home and they're walking along the road.

00:29:57.460 --> 00:30:02.960
So this monk says to his wife, darling, has anyone

00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.160
ever said to you how fascinating and how beautiful

00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:14.519
and how wonderful you are? This made her feel

00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:19.609
so good. You know, she was so happy. He had never

00:30:19.609 --> 00:30:24.069
ever said anything like this before. And she

00:30:24.069 --> 00:30:30.250
knew she finally had his attention. So she looked

00:30:30.250 --> 00:30:37.190
up at him through her lashes and batting her

00:30:37.190 --> 00:30:44.529
baby browns. Very coyly she tells him, I wonder

00:30:44.529 --> 00:30:49.140
why no one has ever told me this before. So the

00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.980
monk looks at her and he says, well, then where

00:30:51.980 --> 00:31:09.480
did you get the idea? Bless her heart, huh? Well.

00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:20.380
So we have a center. which society has given

00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:26.460
us. We've acquired it. It's shaped for us. We

00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:29.940
have a notion of who we are because of others.

00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:42.940
This is not direct experience. Then there is

00:31:42.940 --> 00:31:48.500
a center with which you were born. It's given

00:31:48.500 --> 00:31:58.059
you by existence. Nobody shapes it. To know something

00:31:58.059 --> 00:32:01.839
within this center that has been given you is

00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:08.460
direct experience. Now, in order to see into

00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:12.720
this, to have this direct experience into the

00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:17.769
center given you, The ego center, the one shaped

00:32:17.769 --> 00:32:23.349
by society, must be displaced somehow or overcome

00:32:23.349 --> 00:32:29.710
for a period of time, be it one second or one

00:32:29.710 --> 00:32:34.589
minute or two minutes, enough to allow you to

00:32:34.589 --> 00:32:37.470
peer into the perceived, you know, into the depths

00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:45.180
of this center. And one glance of this direct

00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:51.299
experience will tell anyone how little he really

00:32:51.299 --> 00:32:57.140
knows about himself. Ego -wise or any otherwise,

00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:04.200
any otherwise, how little we really know. Being

00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:10.000
born in this world at a certain time in history,

00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:16.059
in the history of humanity, We all partake of

00:33:16.059 --> 00:33:22.880
a certain background. The way the religionists,

00:33:23.779 --> 00:33:28.980
the sex, and the scientists believe. It all forms

00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:32.420
our background, and we hardly ever recognize

00:33:32.420 --> 00:33:36.160
it as background. But it is the background in

00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:41.779
which we grow up and which we reflect. And from

00:33:41.779 --> 00:33:45.519
this background, that we do not even cognize.

00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:47.619
We don't say, oh, that's the background in which

00:33:47.619 --> 00:33:52.079
I live. How often have you said that? No. From

00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:56.500
this background, we fashion our lives. We fashion

00:33:56.500 --> 00:34:01.960
how we live. And man, by and large, at this point

00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.240
in time, seems to be quite satisfied that he

00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:11.579
rules the earth. And he also feels he's a much

00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:15.500
better off than his predecessors. After all,

00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:18.619
what did they know? They didn't really know about

00:34:18.619 --> 00:34:22.219
atoms. Not really. We know much more about them.

00:34:22.219 --> 00:34:24.340
We know that the atom is divisible. They didn't

00:34:24.340 --> 00:34:32.179
know that 2 ,500 years ago. Man has lived, man

00:34:32.179 --> 00:34:35.579
as such, has lived through many ages. And there

00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:40.039
was a physicist And he classified these ages

00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:45.599
and he called them the magic age and the mythic

00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.300
age, geometric, medieval, infinite, and mechanistic

00:34:50.300 --> 00:34:55.559
ages. And he called each of these ages a mask.

00:34:57.059 --> 00:35:01.000
It was a mask of the universe. It is how man

00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.219
sees the universe at a certain period in time.

00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:08.349
It is his mask, this background. The universe,

00:35:08.349 --> 00:35:14.550
he said, we don't know. We know the masks. And

00:35:14.550 --> 00:35:18.190
his name was Harrison, this physicist. He says

00:35:18.190 --> 00:35:21.130
that starting way, way back with a sort of a

00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:25.929
speculative and maybe fictional account of the

00:35:25.929 --> 00:35:31.690
magic universe. And it existed like hundreds

00:35:31.690 --> 00:35:35.550
of thousands of years ago. Now scientists are

00:35:35.550 --> 00:35:39.769
putting it back that far. When homo sapiens,

00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:49.110
that's wise men, we began to acquire advanced

00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:53.289
linguistic skills hundreds of thousands of years

00:35:53.289 --> 00:35:59.869
ago. The magic universe. An animistic world.

00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:04.510
That is, we endowed everything with an anima.

00:36:04.869 --> 00:36:08.199
That is living. And that is living. And that

00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.539
is living. We endowed it with a livingness. But

00:36:13.539 --> 00:36:17.739
to them, all livingness, the things, they were

00:36:17.739 --> 00:36:23.440
vibrant with spirits. And the spirits were motivated

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.679
by thoughts and by feelings of human beings.

00:36:28.340 --> 00:36:31.679
So that a human being could stand beside a bush

00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.480
and say bloom to the spirit that was inside.

00:36:35.789 --> 00:36:40.190
the bush would bloom or It would say to another

00:36:40.190 --> 00:36:45.210
bush die and the bush would die The spirits were

00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:53.090
motivated by what man thought and felt seen The

00:36:53.090 --> 00:36:56.489
thing of the world they lived in you know spirits

00:36:56.489 --> 00:37:01.389
everywhere in everything, huh? Hosts of spirits

00:37:01.389 --> 00:37:07.039
pervading our world And their laws conformed

00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.559
somewhat to ours and their rules and regulations,

00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:13.699
you know, and they also had very primitive social

00:37:13.699 --> 00:37:19.860
codes, these people. And now this Mr. Harrison

00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:24.639
said in this book that he left out the mystical,

00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.039
because in the magic world there was not this

00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:34.039
mystical thing that we have today. But he said

00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:38.800
this magic applied simply to what originates

00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:45.480
in the human mind as to what activates out there.

00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:54.000
This primitive, meaning primary, world that disappeared

00:37:54.000 --> 00:38:01.039
about 30 ,000 years ago. I might say one thing

00:38:03.350 --> 00:38:07.929
Aristotle, he is the father of our sciences and

00:38:07.929 --> 00:38:15.789
so on. He was an animist. He endowed things with

00:38:15.789 --> 00:38:20.170
an anima, a livingness. So it hasn't, didn't

00:38:20.170 --> 00:38:25.110
altogether disappear 30 ,000 years ago. We're

00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:29.349
still holding some of it. I think if you really

00:38:29.349 --> 00:38:33.820
look inside of yourself, you know, you will see

00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:37.920
some of this. And then came the mythic universe

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.980
and these magic beings that lived in the trees

00:38:41.980 --> 00:38:45.820
and in the rocks and so on, were all assimilated

00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:50.960
into ascendant beings. They were now ruling over

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.619
us from on high. Now some of this still survives,

00:38:56.159 --> 00:39:01.800
this mythic. It kind of reflects our order of

00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.260
social life, what they did then. And it rose

00:39:06.260 --> 00:39:10.320
about 10 to 20 ,000 years ago and reached its

00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.940
most advanced stages in Mesopotamia and Egypt

00:39:13.940 --> 00:39:19.039
and India. And see 20 ,000 years ago, that's

00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:24.179
about the time the Vedas were written. And the

00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:27.699
most advanced expression that this period of

00:39:27.699 --> 00:39:37.750
time had was in the Zoroastrian. We really should

00:39:37.750 --> 00:39:42.309
do a thing on it. Zoroastrian, by the grace of

00:39:42.309 --> 00:39:46.630
Constantine, Emperor Constantine, we didn't become.

00:39:49.469 --> 00:39:56.940
In those days, the cults were many, I think you

00:39:56.940 --> 00:39:59.159
sometimes say they were legion, huh? Many, many,

00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:03.139
many, many. And this man, Constantine, wanted

00:40:03.139 --> 00:40:10.219
desperately to be the emperor. So he and the

00:40:10.219 --> 00:40:12.800
Christians made a deal. See, Christian at that

00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.780
time was just another little sect along with

00:40:14.780 --> 00:40:19.199
everything else. Zoroaster was a big one. They

00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.380
made a deal with him. If he would become a Christian,

00:40:23.190 --> 00:40:27.269
They could altogether overcome Zoroastrian and

00:40:27.269 --> 00:40:30.070
they would make him emperor and this is what

00:40:30.070 --> 00:40:34.949
happened and So he decreed when he became emperor

00:40:34.949 --> 00:40:37.329
that everybody should become a Christian for

00:40:37.329 --> 00:40:47.130
Christians Not to buy our own choice Our choices

00:40:47.130 --> 00:40:50.469
are not always what they seem this is simply

00:40:50.469 --> 00:40:58.219
the background into which we've been born. And

00:40:58.219 --> 00:41:04.300
this background that we have now of this, not

00:41:04.300 --> 00:41:11.300
now, but the mythic universe, we bought at a

00:41:11.300 --> 00:41:15.840
stiff price. The world of what we call matter,

00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.389
the rocks and the trees and the clouds, All became

00:41:22.389 --> 00:41:28.409
spiritless. Hmm? It was dead. We live in a world

00:41:28.409 --> 00:41:33.289
of dead matter. Instead of all this vibrancy,

00:41:33.869 --> 00:41:38.969
dead matter. And now out of this then, our world,

00:41:39.409 --> 00:41:42.809
this mask was riven, you know, cut in two by

00:41:42.809 --> 00:41:46.650
the dualists. Good and evil. Soul and flesh.

00:41:47.590 --> 00:41:55.239
Free and predestined. Divine kingship. The tyranny

00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.599
of it. The appeasement to the gods by human sacrifice.

00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.260
The massacre and the enslavement of nations that

00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:14.179
worshiped other gods. Contolerated. Then we witnessed

00:42:14.179 --> 00:42:21.440
the rise of science. They rejected the gods.

00:42:27.980 --> 00:42:33.039
The development of the Ionian scientists and

00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:37.420
philosophers, Pythagoras and Aristotelian systems.

00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:49.280
Do you think that in this present day, we have

00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.219
arrived at the final mask, the final belief of

00:42:54.219 --> 00:43:02.619
this universe, is our modern universe. And we're

00:43:02.619 --> 00:43:06.940
confronted in it with the problems of rocks and

00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:14.659
trees and clouds. But it's coming to be no longer

00:43:14.659 --> 00:43:18.539
dead matter. It's going to be rocks and trees

00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:28.980
and clouds and observer. It all boils down to

00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:36.380
observer. Whatever you see has any meaning to

00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:43.260
you. What you hear has meaning to you. So the

00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:46.300
world that is coming more and more and more will

00:43:46.300 --> 00:43:54.250
be trees and rocks and clouds and observer. Not

00:43:54.250 --> 00:44:01.130
necessarily me, just observer. And this is started

00:44:01.130 --> 00:44:05.789
only back about 20 years ago. And this man says,

00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:12.449
and already we sail the perilous seas where the

00:44:12.449 --> 00:44:18.210
universe in which we live is recognized as reconstructions

00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:28.570
of the mind -brain. And it was Eddington as another

00:44:28.570 --> 00:44:31.730
scientist who had a tendency toward being a philosopher

00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:34.829
and he wrote, and I think all of you are familiar

00:44:34.829 --> 00:44:38.130
with this, we have found, now speaking of scientists,

00:44:38.230 --> 00:44:42.210
we have found a strange footprint on the shores

00:44:42.210 --> 00:44:49.070
of the unknown. We have devised profound theories,

00:44:49.389 --> 00:44:53.610
one after another, to account for its origin.

00:44:54.909 --> 00:44:59.230
And at last we have succeeded in reconstructing

00:44:59.230 --> 00:45:02.929
the creature that made that footprint, and lo,

00:45:03.070 --> 00:45:18.239
it is our own. Our mind. It is so near and so

00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:23.139
dear and so full of all kinds of intellectual

00:45:23.139 --> 00:45:31.000
nonsense that we have from our masks. It's also

00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.659
full of passionate, rubbish sentiments. And I

00:45:36.659 --> 00:45:40.840
will say that some of it is very useful for our

00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.530
daily life. There's just no denying that. But

00:45:44.530 --> 00:45:49.210
because of these accumulations, we're miserable.

00:45:51.110 --> 00:45:56.070
It's like we're in a trap. And we feel like we're

00:45:56.070 --> 00:46:01.530
under some kind of bondage. And we want nothing

00:46:01.530 --> 00:46:05.789
more than just some freedom and some naturalness

00:46:05.789 --> 00:46:09.650
and some spontaneity. And we don't seem to get

00:46:09.650 --> 00:46:16.329
it. Now... Zen masters in Japan, they know this.

00:46:16.329 --> 00:46:20.510
They have gone through the same wearying experience.

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They know that we are so immersed in our own

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construction, reconstruction of the universe,

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that comprehension for the real does not come

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easily. The truth of Zen can never be attained

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unless one comes to it with one's whole effort.

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The climb up the mountain is very slippery. It

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is not a childish pastime. It is the most serious

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task that you can undertake in your life and

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it is lifelong. And in this search we find this

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climb up the mountain, that we all have our values.

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They're given us and some of them we picked up

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along the way because we liked them, we've acquired

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them. Some are buried very deeply, so deep we

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don't even know they're there. We need to sit

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and look just within, you know, so they will

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rise, you know, it's called digging them up.

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You just observe and they'll rise. And then we

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can re -evaluate some of these values in the

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light of day. We can say to ourselves, when a

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value comes to mind, why do I hold such and such

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a value? Why? And then trace it back. Why? And

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we find in so doing that the values that have

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an egotistic source We find them ugly. These

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are ugly values. And we find also that they usually

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go against the welfare of humanity. Let's not

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forget that this little ego, or big ego, or medium

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-sized ego, is a mischief maker. A value. has

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no value when it is not subjectively free from

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egotistical impulses. When a value is free from

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the ego, it is just so. Just so. You know what

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just so? It has no value. It is just so. Lao

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Tzu says it very well, anything that can be named,

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anything that can be designated as this or that

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is not down. The very moment that you say it

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is good, the good loses its goodness. The really

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good is just so, just so. It's no more and it's

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no less. It's just So, for instance, when God

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saw the world that was created in response to

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his fiat, when he said, let there be light, and

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he saw this light, and he nodded and he said,

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yes, that's good. This good has nothing whatsoever

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to do with our human way of evaluating. This

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good, the term that he uses, is the is -ness

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of things, the essence of things. It is not something

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added. If you add something, it becomes a value

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less, but this good is just so, just so. The

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value of something is something inherent. What

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is beautiful does not come, you know, claim for

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itself that it is beautiful. If it is beautiful

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and it stands before, you don't hear that rose

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shrieking, look at me, I'm beautiful. It just

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stands before us and we all know it's beautiful.

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The moment anything says, any of us say, I am

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beautiful, all of a sudden, right up nose against

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it, there's the ego. And everybody drops their

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head in shame. And you know that. Now, Sue said,

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when a beauty makes display of beauty, it becomes

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sheer ugliness. So beauty is just so. A human

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value is just so. Just so. Don't make anything

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more out of it. It's a lot easier to live with

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just so. It is good. It is just so. It is just

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good. It is just so. Now when you, in your practicing,

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you know, whatever you're doing outside in the

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world, You stand aside of that doing for a moment.

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You know, you can do and stand there and watch.

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And you look and you observe. You watch what

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you're doing. You know, if you really watch,

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it won't be long before you can see the source

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of your misery, of your anguish. No. And if you

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don't, why, you come to me and I'll help you.

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But if you're going to observe, then observe.

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I mean really observe. Just don't say, I'm observing,

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I'm watching. And as long as you say the words,

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you think you're doing it. Rather not say the

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words and do it. Just saying it doesn't amount

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to anything. Because I mean observe. Observe

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yourself. And when we question ourselves, which

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we should do, You know, we had a whole boom boom

00:53:09.219 --> 00:53:13.300
of that last week. We don't ask ourselves a lot

00:53:13.300 --> 00:53:18.400
of philosophical questions. No. We need a very

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direct approach to ourselves. And that's what

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happened now with this Zen master and his prime

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minister. He wanted to make a direct impression.

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And so he made his face turn blue. That's a good

00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:40.150
art. Make your face turn blue. Red, yeah, but

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not blue. And then in this very haughty and contemptuous

00:53:45.010 --> 00:53:48.429
manner, he says, what are you doing, you numbskull?

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And everything has changed. Immediately, everything

00:53:54.590 --> 00:53:57.510
has changed. This minister is being brought down

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to earth with a thud. You know, there's his feet

00:53:59.989 --> 00:54:04.530
now. And now he knows he has to look at himself.

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He knows that. He has to look at this ego, which

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prior to this moment he may have only speculated

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about, as we all do. Speculation is not direct

00:54:18.750 --> 00:54:24.130
looking. Now, see, he's been given this gift.

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It is his to deal with. And you know, there are

00:54:30.590 --> 00:54:33.429
a lot of people that are fearful of dealing with

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themselves. of dealing with their values, of

00:54:37.309 --> 00:54:44.170
dealing with their ego. But there was this very

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great Zen master in China. And again, he lived

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in the Tang dynasty. It was a terrific dynasty

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for the growth of religion. And it is said that

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he lived to be about 120 years of age. He didn't

00:54:58.570 --> 00:55:02.090
start looking for his religion until he was 60.

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And he was enlightened when he was 80. And he

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lived to be 120. And his name was Joshua. Yeah.

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And in the monastery, the Joshua that's famous

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for the moo. In the monastery where he lived,

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there was a stone bridge that was known all over

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the empire. And at one day, a visiting monk came

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and asked Joshua, We hear so much of your stone

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bridge. I look at it and I see it to be no more

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than a rickety old log bridge falling apart,

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rickety. And Joshua answered, you just see the

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log bridge and you do not see the stone one?

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And the monk says, Well, what then is a stone

00:56:02.610 --> 00:56:06.849
bridge? And Joshua says, horses pass over it

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and asses pass over it. Yeah. There is a stone

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bridge. We all stand on it. And now, may the

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peace and the power that passeth all understanding

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hold us and keep us in the Christed consciousness

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while we are seemingly separate one from another.

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And I thank you very much.
