And welcome everybody to another exciting episode of Froth Rice Podcast.
I'm Andy Rice.
Let's get fried.
With me as always is Brennan, shipley up to Boston.
Hello everybody.
Versus Michael.
He's probably going to die by the end of this movie, Larson.
I wish I died by the end of this movie.
Well that's a spoiler.
At least before watching two.
Yes, exactly.
Alright so everybody welcome.
We have in this show, we like to smoke a little bit of weed.
We like to talk about a little bit of movies.
If you listen to the last couple of nights of our show, we did a few specials.
We did one about aliens.
We did one about predators and now following it up, we decided to watch both aliens versus
predator and alien versus predator requiem.
And we're going to talk about those in just a moment.
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Yeah, I looked for those the other day and I couldn't find it.
I know that either for this episode or before we record our next, because sometimes we do
two episodes in one day.
Suck it listening audience.
We are going to smoke one of we're going to smoke one of these Jeter Canon solvent lists.
We're going to smoke moon glow.
Have you had the solvent list?
I haven't had the solvent list yet.
This looks I've heard they're good.
Yeah, it looks amazing.
So I hope it's as good as advertised.
Well let's just I mean let's dive right into it.
This is it.
I mean this is the aliens versus predator episode.
So why don't we just start with the first one?
Now you guys said this is your first time watching the movie.
Both of them.
Yeah, I what I appreciate about these movies, I'm just gonna say up front is that there's
a lot of predator and a lot of alien.
You get more than you get most alien movies, most predator movies.
And I will say I just kind of a I know that you guys are saying that the second one isn't
as good, but I will say this in the first one, the majority of the deaths happen off
screen.
Not majority, but a lot.
There's a lot of like just blood splatter against the wall kind of shit.
Second one, a lot of straight up murder and I love it.
Yeah, but you can't see anything.
Only it's dark.
Yeah, it's dark.
And as I actually I wrote this in my actual written review, I wrote about how these felt
like a for people who like who like watch these movies for body count, it felt like
they were made for them.
Yeah.
As long as you're not watching for plot or anything like that, it's good.
But actually, okay, the first one had some plot.
The second one, who you could definitely care about a single character in the second.
Yeah.
Well, except for the dad and the son in the beginning, that was kind of like, damn, that's
fucked up.
Damn.
Yeah, I like to take his kid hunting.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, let's let's get into the first one.
I like that they the very beginning you get an alien versus a predator.
I was like, great.
I borrowed the line from CinemaSins where I'm like, roll credits.
Or it's just like, once you see it, get what you get.
And I'm like, they really, really, really want you to know in the first couple of minutes
of this movie that this is Wayland Corp.
They like every there's a shot and I'm not it's where it's outside Wayland Corp, the
building where you see the Wayland Corp sign.
It's in prominent view.
Then the camera cuts to the door insignia on someone's door, the Wayland door open up
and shut and then it cuts to them walking into Wayland Corp like door like so much Wayland
Corp porn in the first in the first two minutes.
It's like we get it.
It's an aliens movie.
We exist in the aliens universe.
We get it.
Wayland.
But at the same time, which Wayland is this?
Is this the one that created the robots?
Well, I think this was now not the same way they have from Prometheus and all that because
these were originally they were going to do a third one and that was going to be the prequel
to aliens and they scrapped that Prometheus instead.
Got it.
So this is pre.
So this is before.
So this is OK.
This is not related.
I guess it's not canon.
Yeah, not canon.
That's unfortunate.
It's well, it's not canon to alien is it canon to predator?
Because no prey doesn't really touch on it because prey was a prequel.
But no predators.
No, no, not predators, but the predator.
The one that came out, they did.
I think they did two relatively recently.
It might have just been one, but I remember 2018 or so.
Yeah.
The kid gets the predator mask and puts it on and like starts about prey.
No, not prey.
That was the newest one.
But the one before prey, the one that had Michael Keegan, he in it.
He's that that one.
That the one with Adrian Brody, too?
No, that's predators.
That's words.
OK.
You know that your world are getting too confused.
Now they are.
We're sitting here going, is that this guy, that guy?
Yeah, no, the naming as much as I like the naming structure that they often do, it does
get a little bit confusing.
So no, a predators is Adrian Brody and a bunch of killers get sent.
Walter Goggins gets sent to a planet to fight predators.
OK.
The predator, I think is what it's called.
That came out after predators is where a predator comes down.
That's where we get introduced to, I think, the predator dogs.
And then one of them becomes kind of like it gets shot in the head and becomes dumb.
And so sort of like latches onto the humans and becomes sort of protective of them.
It was a it was it was a lot.
But I don't know if this if it connects.
But whatever.
This is an aliens movie that they wanted it to be one.
If it was more successful, people liked it more.
We could have been right.
So I did say it looks like a fun lab to work at, though, the Whaling Corp.
When you go inside, like when he's when he's kind of just hanging out with everybody, when
they before they know, we're introduced to the I think it's the Italian guy.
No, he's outside.
Yeah.
Are you talking about?
Did you skip past when they were like introducing all these back characters like when the girls
doing the sketchiest ice climb ever?
Yeah, no, I don't.
Do we?
We did that, but the ice climbing looked fake as fuck is what I put.
Yeah, it's all.
And it was sketchy as hell to like, you know, she has tie in gear, but she's not tied into
anything.
She's chipping at ice as it's falling.
Yeah, like, yeah, it's good enough.
Oh, yeah, this is like I don't even climb.
And I know that that's sketchy as her foot.
Her fever just going into like slushy slush.
It looked like like, no, that's melting snow.
You like you shouldn't be up there.
Yeah, that's not what you climb.
Call her move the landing a helicopter on top of a mountain to meet someone.
Mid conversation.
It's like, well, we don't have a week.
And she's like, oh, shit.
That was pretty cool.
I liked that.
She was actually her character was great because they built her to be a calm, under pressure
survivalist, keeps a like like knows what to do in a in an extreme situation.
Like that's how they built her the entire opening.
It's like we need you.
We can't do this without you.
Your dad was the best.
You're the best.
Please join us and she's climbing an ice mountain with no fucking like nothing strapped
in.
She's awesome.
And for the rest of the movie, she holds up to that.
There's never.
Yeah, she's that's what I said.
In this movie, there's character you care about.
In the other movie, well, we'll get to that because there are some characters I like in
the second one.
I don't know.
I cared about the predator.
Yeah.
OK, so let's look at the power distribution of predators and aliens across these movies.
It does not add up in this change in this movie.
Yeah, it's one predator versus one alien.
And they well, I mean, I know a few more aliens come in, but they really go at it.
That's a hell of a fight that they have that they're like.
Well, didn't it start with it started with three predators, right?
And there was like five aliens or something like that.
There's three dropped out of the ship.
Yeah, three dropped out.
But two of them died.
But there is a one on one fight with an alien with an alien where the fight goes on a long
time.
That's where the alien gets marked by the net or whatever.
And that's like where they mark each other kind of.
But then in the second movie, it's one predator versus all the aliens.
And he can take them out very easily without like some sometimes we even try to throw the
blades down the hallway.
I think that was different writers showing favoritism towards the creatures they thought
would win.
Oh, I think the first rider was kind of more favorited towards the aliens, but like still
wanted the predators to win.
Yeah.
I mean, he I liked the size and feel of the predators.
They looked huge.
They say the cyclopredators.
Oh, yeah.
The real battlefield.
The battlefield.
Yeah.
Do they tell you how many times in this movie I thought of that?
The entire movie is like, this is just battlefield.
Did they steal the costumes like?
It felt very much because this came out before Battlefield Earth, right?
Did it?
Yeah.
I don't remember what your Battlefield Earth was.
This was 2004.
They felt very similar.
Someone took someone's costumes for sure.
I didn't once in my mind think about Battlefield Earth because I would desecrate that great
movie.
But Ali's versus Predator.
That great workplace comedy.
Yeah.
I put everything about the predators are awesome.
I'm rooting for them.
Like I picked a side in the beginning.
I was like, I'm pro predator.
I think I'm pro predator.
Let me rephrase that in the movies because I don't want to like don't take that out of
context anybody.
I in the movie Ali versus Predator.
I want the predators to win.
And he means predator, the creature.
Yeah.
The creature, the Yatcha.
The second movie.
The second movie really do root for the Predators because they set up in this movie how the
predators don't hate us.
No, they hunt us.
They hunt us, but they hunt us like we hunt deer.
They don't hate us, Mike.
No.
But that temple that they found, there's literally a sacrifice room where they put humans inside
to get turned into aliens to hunt them.
And we did that to animals too.
What's your point?
Yeah.
Okay.
But my point is they view us like we view deer.
Oh, okay.
So I get there's no malice.
There's no malice.
Yeah.
They don't hate us.
They just were stupid animals.
And I said, I'm okay with them.
But they said this movie up through the whole first movie.
What ends up setting up in this movie, the whole idea of this movie is that then like
when he marks her, we become friends with the predator that you at the end of the movie,
you feel like he's going to go back and tell the others, oh, we don't need to hunt them
anymore.
They are on our level now.
Yeah.
No, no, it wouldn't work that way.
He didn't because he got fucked off.
He wouldn't be like, no, let's leave the humans alone.
It would just be like this one, particularly right here, badass.
She's okay.
Let's not kill her.
Give her a weapon.
We're out of here.
They'll come back a hundred years and they'll hunt more humans in the same pyramid.
That's what they do because their whole culture is built around hunting.
All they do is hunt.
They don't care.
I don't think if deer suddenly became on our level, we would go, oh, let's keep hunting.
That's not what would happen.
We don't hunt dogs anymore.
Predators know we can speak and we have civilizations and that we have weapons.
They only attack you when you have a weapon.
We're conscious enough to know that they literally, for the most part, in most situations, we
have found that if you have a weapon, they'll go after you.
They think that you are a predator that they attack.
Even in prey, they basically work their way up the predator timeline.
They don't like a chain of people.
I don't think they kill a deer and then they go kill a bunny rabbit.
They go kill an alligator and then a bear and a wolf.
They're working their way up the food chain of what's the most badass thing on the planet
I can kill.
That's how they see us.
We're the most badass prey on the planet.
I feel like they're an intelligent species and once they respect you as an intelligent
species, that's where it changes.
I disagree in the sense that I think that they would respect us more as an even harder
prey.
If we developed weapons that were on par with the predators, they would fucking love coming
down here and trying to hunt us because it would be an even greater challenge.
That's all they care about.
As long as they thought we were savages, but once they think we're no longer savages, I
think they're- I don't think they think we're savages.
Okay.
I think they think we're prey.
Yeah, but I don't think they think we're savages.
I think they go to all planets all across the galaxy finding advanced civilizations
of people with weapon capabilities that they can then go hunt.
Their whole thing is they want to find the smartest, most advanced species.
The aliens that they found are the most honed killing, so they found a way to breed those
things, right?
Right.
But it's not like the aliens have a language or like a- they're not.
They are to the point where it's like, yeah, we'll just breed these and we'll have fun
hunting these things.
But with humans, I'm sure that that's why he marked her.
He wouldn't mark an alien that helped him in battle.
Well, I think that Mark was like a rite of passage, kind of like you're a warrior.
Right.
The mark is a rite of passage.
Yeah, you're a warrior now.
But I don't think if-
If she was respected, I don't think the whole human race was respected because of it.
That's what I'm saying.
She was.
Yeah.
She got like a, all right, we're not going to kill this chick.
She's one of us.
But that was a one-time thing.
It's not all humans, I don't think.
I don't think the whole human race got a pass on that.
I feel like we're all extrapolating.
We don't really know anything.
Yeah.
Well, there's a sequel and he comes back and he fucks up humans.
No, there's not.
But that's the point.
That's what I'm saying.
They-
He wasn't coming for the humans.
He died.
They also can read their helmet readings, so they might have reviewed the tape.
There's probably no tape left.
You remember how he died?
No.
The spaceship explodes into a billion pieces.
Well-
He never gets the message out as the point.
But I still don't think that it would have made a difference.
I think we'd still, they'd still hunt humans because like they're good preg.
Like they-
Well, that's just, I'm saying those are just opinions.
They would want to find an Arnold-
It's like an asshole.
We all have them.
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Well, no, I think it's, but I think it's the correct one.
So-
What I want to know is why did Waylon need a microphone to tell them the plan in that
small room when he was over standing over them?
Just because he's got the money.
Just to be dramatic.
It's Waylon Corp.
They do, they like their mic, their unnecessary microphones.
He couldn't afford lights.
What do you mean?
Yeah.
Well, that one was lit up.
That one was well lit.
The other one wasn't.
I like the Predator computer to human transitions that they did a lot.
I liked the maze like structure of the temple or the hunting ground or whatever.
Shifting and everything.
Yeah.
Shifting every 10 minutes.
I bet you like that gave some people ideas for movies in the future.
It just feels very like, oh, I think, you know what?
I think the guy that directed this did Resident Evil.
And so I'm very much thinking of the Alice, the underground base.
Yeah.
Kind of very similar.
But the, oh, that scene where the blonde guy and the chick and the other dudes get trapped
in that room and the eggs come up, I was like, oh, that's so good.
The sacrifice room.
Yeah.
Oh, that was brutal.
I was so scared for them.
And I like that he was I like that he was able to get a few shots off.
That was cool.
The alien queen giving birth is fucking gross.
That sack of like just thing attached to her.
The forced birth.
Yeah.
I'm not OK with that in any situation.
This isn't Handmaid's Tale.
OK.
I don't care if you're an alien queen or not.
Then we get a very cool that we get the very cool fight between the alien that gets marked
and Predator with the cut off tail getting it with blood, all that shit.
We get him marking his her because she helps him in battle.
And then.
The last note I took is really just the problem I had, which was the sled that they take up
the 30 degree incline hole.
What?
Who programmed it to go at launch you rocket speed like out like like evading?
Like an explosion speed like what?
What she did?
She landed.
OK.
She's like, you know what?
Just in case I'm going to put turbo, I'm going to put nitrous in this.
Yes.
OK.
We're getting the fuck out of here.
This emergency.
And then we get the I guess he fights the last the last little fight goes on outside.
Well, I forgot how it ends.
How does he die?
Why am I not remembering how the Predator guy dies?
The last one versus the alien.
The Predator dies in the spaceship.
He went.
He gets face hugged.
That's right in the movie earlier in the movie.
We and he must have gotten the face hugger off somehow.
But yes, we get that one scene, the scene where he's marking himself.
Then you see the face hugger come out and you don't know what happens.
And you assume that he got him because he's like the next scene.
Fine.
Yeah.
OK.
He must have got the face hugger.
And at that point, they had already showed the face hugger is kind of like hatched quickly.
I guess that one kind of like waited, waited until it was on the ship.
And then we get that last that last scene, which is the alien popping out of the corpse
of the predator on the ship, not just an alien, a predalien.
So I thought to that's what when we thought we were my wife and I were sitting here watching
we thought two was going to be because we've never seen him before.
We watching these two back to back.
And we thought, oh, well, that's what's going to happen.
He's going to now it's going to be really just all on the spaceships.
He's going to go back to their planet and the alien is going to be on their planet,
which could have been interesting.
That's been awesome.
That's what I thought.
I thought the same thing.
I was like, hell, yeah.
But instead we get to aliens were spread or two.
Let me just talk about one.
You brush through it.
Just a couple of things.
Don't get me wrong.
OK, I like the yeah, I didn't like.
Yeah.
OK, I was all for this idea.
I heard, oh, that's going to be great because I like both franchises.
It's kind of like finding out your ex wife's going to have a fight with your other.
It's like I want you know, it's going to be a train wreck, but I wanted front row seats.
Yes.
OK, but this was a little.
Then.
There's not.
Anything.
It's the writing in this.
It's just insane.
It's.
In the end, OK, I'll put it this way.
I watched the whole thing.
I'm not saying I didn't like it, but it's kind of like that weird casserole your aunt
brings to Thanksgiving.
OK, you know you should need it.
But your gun.
I mean, it's it's and it's not bad, but it ain't good either.
It's it's a this movie is like a monument to Hollywood's ability to take a can't miss
idea and miss so spectacularly that you have to admire their dedication of being a mediocre.
You talk about the first one.
Yes, it's a mediocre movie.
Wait, well, I mean, it's not it's not bad.
That's what I just said.
I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't say it's a good move.
What depends?
I guess it depends on it's a fun movie where it's fun, but it's not terrible, but it ain't
good either.
Well, here's the thing, though.
If you're a fan, let's listen to exactly what if you're a fan of the franchise, you might
find something to enjoy, which I did for everyone else.
Like my wife, she fucking hated watching.
My wife went to bed like 20 minutes in the first.
So this is a movie for fans of aliens.
That's all I'm saying.
It's not a good movie.
It's a movie for fans of aliens and predators.
It's not a good movie because here's the media.
Oh, but here's the thing.
There's categories of things.
Like you said, if you're a fan of aliens versus if you're a fan of both franchises, this is
a good movie.
Yes.
If you like schlocky killing movies like this, it's a good movie.
But it's like I know that you personally don't want to watch Braveheart because it's a old
it's an old, but also don't think it would make me walk out the way it made my wife walk.
That's my point.
You ever see how this I've seen like half of it.
He doesn't he doesn't like period pieces.
He doesn't like huge fan.
So like like for instance, my dad went with my buddy and I had to go see the New World
that the one about Pocahontas that was like three hours long.
And we my buddy and I liked it.
There's a lot to take away from that movie.
My dad has never been more miserable in his life.
Is that make it not a good movie?
No, it makes it a great movie because it really was a great movie.
But my dad, if I asked if you asked him, he thinks it's the worst movie ever fucking
made.
I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm agreeing with you.
I'm saying one out of 100 people think Joker is the best thing ever made.
I haven't seen it does not make it a good movie.
I haven't seen it.
The first one.
No, Joker right now.
But like you said, opinions are like assholes.
Everyone has a good movie.
So you don't think Predalien's versus I think it's a good movie if you like these kinds
of movies.
OK.
Yeah, but that's what the disclaimer is what I'm saying, but it's a good movie.
No, but here's the thing.
I don't think Aliens versus Predator 2 is a good movie if you like these movies.
That's not a good movie.
But Aliens versus but the first one is it's directed by the guy that did Resident Evil.
I think Resident Evil is a good movie, but I think it's in the same category that this
is a good movie.
What's interesting, my wife like Resident Evil, but that's a weird and it's a weird.
That's a weird take.
Yeah, I know.
That's what I said.
I'm saying that's strange.
Because the Resident Evil had more of a like kind of a thriller kind of suspense.
More plot.
This one was kind of just more action driven.
This is a fun movie is kind of what it was.
It was just kind of fun to see.
That's my take on it.
These two characters.
This is not a good movie.
It's a fun movie.
Yeah, it's it's there's a difference in a good movie and a fun movie.
Well, I it's a good it's a good movie for what it is.
That's what I'm saying.
No, no, no.
And for instance, I mentioned earlier that like I really like the Recess movie, right?
That's a great.
That's a good movie based on a children's cartoon.
Right.
Is it a good movie that I would recommend to anybody is like, here's top great movie?
Yeah.
No.
Right.
Even if I say we're rating these movies, we can't say this is a five out of five because
it's even though we might like it.
We know that this is not a good movie for the average movie.
That's all I'm saying.
That's the thing, though.
I'm ranking these based on what we've watched in the show because that's all we can.
That's our grading system.
We're not grading it against all movies.
We're grading it against each other because this thing.
Well, no, but at this.
But here's the thing.
At this point, we've done grading against other things.
No, no.
It's what we've watched.
That makes this a masterpiece.
No, no, Michael.
Because here's the thing.
If we give one movie a B according to our scale of B being the highest, right, then
that sets the standard for what a B is.
So like we can't give.
Die hard.
That's a B.
Yeah.
But then we've also given movies, other movies, higher designations.
No, we have not.
You have.
Battlefield Earth.
Let's be honest here.
There's been a few.
I rate movies realistically.
Fine.
I rate movies based on, I think, where they belong in the world.
In the world.
Right.
I agree.
But I think subconsciously this made you think of Battlefield Earth and that's why
you're putting up such a strong fight for it.
It's not that great a movie.
It's OK.
Here's the thing.
It's fun.
I enjoyed it.
No, then let's look at it.
Let's look at it technically.
The graphics hold up.
The acting.
The acting is fine.
It's fine for what it is.
No, no.
If you need like soldier guys acting like soldier guys, great.
You need a couple goofy scientists and a couple of Italian archaeologists, great.
They did their roles perfectly.
You need a hard line chick to run the thing, great.
She did it perfectly.
Wayland Corp did it perfectly.
That's the thing what I don't like about people criticizing acting or criticizing stuff like
that because here's the thing.
They're doing their jobs.
They're doing it perfectly.
We don't need everything to be Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice.
It can be soldier guy claustrophobic with a broken leg and that's fine acting.
The acting in this, good.
The graphics, good.
The story for an aliens versus predator type situation, great, I would say.
I like predators coming back, building a kill box, breeding aliens with using humans as
subjects to then hunt every 100 years.
That's fucking awesome for the predator.
Yeah, so story, awesome.
And then action, pretty good.
The only thing my complaint is that too many off screen kills.
So if we're going technically good movie, there's nothing wrong about it.
That's all we're saying.
We're saying it's not great.
Well, now you're throwing great into the mix.
Before you're saying it's not a good movie, it's just okay.
Now you're agreeing it's good.
It's not great.
What do I need to get you to say it's great?
You're not going to say it's great.
You're going to say it's not great, but it's not an awesome movie, Andy.
I'm not like, it's not like it's up there in my top 10 movies of all time, but not a
lot of movies are that are great and good movies.
They're just fine.
One of my biggest problems with the movie is if you come across a gigantic hole that's
in the ground that wasn't there yesterday, that's somehow there today.
Why the fuck would you just be like, all right, let's go down it?
Like, yeah.
It's kind of like the ice scene.
There's some stupid shit in this movie.
It's like, no.
I'd be like, no.
You say I'm not going down.
You want to say that's a good scene.
That makes sense.
You just open saying it doesn't.
But it's great.
It's the best movie I ever saw.
I could find, I could find things to pick apart at any movie.
So yeah, I am a little nitpicky with this one in the ice scene.
It's not the best.
I feel like this movie should have been titled Predator and Human versus Alien.
We need to grade the first movie.
What's your grade on the first one?
I'll give it a C. Yeah, I would, I would agree with a C.
Out of our grade B through F and then W for Waste of Time.
I was C minus to D plus.
So yeah, we're not that far off.
That's what I'm saying.
You always think I'm way far off and I'm not.
I'm just realistic.
I just think some people aren't going to like this movie, Andy.
I think that some people aren't going to like every movie.
Yeah.
I think that every single piece of art and literature and music.
But if you take 100 people, 50 of them aren't going to like this.
That's the point.
It depends on what 100.
Average.
No, I don't know.
What average?
Who are you?
No, no, no.
It's like talking to a fucking wall.
No.
Semantics.
Well, it is a little bit, but here's, but it's like if you went to a.
Walking out of a theater, how they interview people.
Boom.
Here's a microphone.
In what?
But what demographic?
I'm honestly asking because here's the thing.
The ones that go to the movies.
But I feel like walking out of the theater.
I'm not asking.
I have a different opinion than I do like the next morning after I've molded over.
Like I could either come out of a movie being like, oh, that was the best fucking movie
ever.
And then like I get home and I start thinking more about it and I'm like, ah, but there
was this.
But there was this.
Yeah.
You know, and then like, you're like, all right, well, it was an OK movie.
Like it was, it was good.
But I mean, it was fun.
You know, and it also kind of depends on the movies for fun.
So this is not a bad thing.
And he's making like it's a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing.
I go to the movies.
I would watch this one again.
I would watch the first one again.
Yeah, that's not, it's not.
My issue is Michael.
If you took the movie and this is if this is racist, let me finish.
If this I hope this isn't racist.
But but no, this is this won't be because this just makes sense.
If you take a movie, that's just my toilet.
But if if you take a movie, all right.
How many people out of 100 do you think are going to enjoy my day?
And here's the reason I keep asking about the demographic, Michael, because if you ask
a bunch of people in Wisconsin, a rural, 90 percent white community, I'm guessing not
that many.
But if you go to, let's say, a predominantly black community, that demographic, and you
asked 100 people walking out of the theater, they might have a higher opinion.
So when I ask what demographic of people are you asking, are you asking people that just
left the theater for Freddie versus Jason, which are the most likely people to watch
a movie like this?
Would they like it?
I think yes.
Are you asking people leaving the notebook if they're going to watch Aliens versus Predator,
if they would like it?
I would say no.
OK, well, factually, which I know doesn't matter to you, but factually, factually, cinema
score, that's exactly what they do.
When someone walks out of a particular movie, they ask them about that particular movie,
the one they went to see.
And that's the ones that gave this movie a 58.
But that's.
The ones that went to see it.
Who gave it a 50?
Rot Tomatoes?
No, I just told you cinema score.
I don't know if cinema score is.
OK, all right.
It's not a bad movie.
You're making it like if I say one thing that's not perfect about a movie is that it's
not that it's a good movie, it's fun.
OK, look, it's a great it's a good movie.
You just said it.
We agree.
You said it's a good movie.
All right.
So we all agree after all of this, I 12 angry men did where it's a good movie.
I think we were all agreeing from the get go.
We all agreed for the get go.
You just want to argue it.
I don't know why.
Because I rushed through my review and we needed to pad the time a little bit.
I thought, why not just argue it?
Michael, give him a heart attack while we're here.
You rushed through your he did in like 15 minutes.
Yeah.
Well, I'm also trying to maybe make our episodes a bit shorter.
Yeah, we're staying on track today.
It's good.
So for you, for you, the audience, I'm realizing, hey, maybe Hocus Pocus almost three hours
wasn't you didn't sign up for Martin Scorsese movie like it's.
Did you take Adderall today?
Is that why you're like on track?
I wish.
No, I don't.
I don't.
I wish.
No, I don't.
I can't do Adderall.
It's too good.
So Aliens versus Predator two Requiem.
We open with ending of the ending of the last one, which I love what a movie does that.
That's a great direct sequel move back to the future.
Does it start out great?
Go right into it.
Great.
Yeah.
Because I really thought that we were going to their planet to fuck it up.
And then it's a twist.
We meet the kid that plays young Sean Spencer in the USA Network TV show hit Psych with
his father, who I don't know that actor, but they are hunting in the woods and a fucking
alien facehugger gets them.
Well, after the after the ship crash, they go to investigate it.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
OK, the ship.
I completely forgot.
Yeah, the ship crashes into into the like they see it as they're hunting.
The ship crashes and then they go to see no, because it really showed what they're trying
to show you with this franchise is that we're the predators.
Oh, by having them be hunting.
Yeah, that was the whole point.
He's teaching his son to hunt.
It's absolutely why they are position.
But I don't think but in this particular case, Predators hunt.
He's hunting the alien.
Yeah, he's because and the Predator's dress call.
I think he might even gotten like a he saw the image of a predation and he's like, oh,
shit, we can't have one of those out there.
So I guess he's the most badass predator or he thinks if I do this solo, they'll get more
honor.
Well, he seemed like a cleanup kind of predator, like because he had that blue stuff that was
like disintegrating the bodies.
So it's like I think he was cleaning up like the mistakes of the past.
He's a professional cleaner on the.
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of cool.
He's like the dude that that John Wick called to clean up all those bodies after he killed
him on his in his house.
Exactly.
Like, yeah, that's kind of cool.
So this guy shows up and he's pretty badass.
He's a badass predator.
Yeah, I like the predator in this one.
I thought he was pretty cool.
He's more engaging than the last one because it's just the one.
Yeah.
And like he's he's pretty cool.
Yeah, they definitely made him very OP.
They did.
I like it.
Poor pizza driver.
I don't like that they are bullying him.
They're bullying him.
He's he's I mean, he should wear his hat.
How did I know you'd have a issue with that?
He should wear his hat.
I mean, it's uniform.
And listen, there's not another driver that could take the one to his girlfriend's house
or his ex-girlfriend's house where his where guys likely to beat him up.
Like, honestly, if we were right now at the store and we were like, all right, here's
a delivery on my phone, dude, I can't take this one.
It's my ex-girlfriend or her boyfriend's there.
He fucking hates me.
He'll probably beat me up if he sees me on site.
You think I can maybe skip this one?
No, run it, Andy.
Oh, yeah.
Fuck.
No, I'm like, I don't fucking care.
That's a contact list.
I don't care.
Wanted or not.
It's on the doorstep.
I knock real hard and I leave.
But it's not paid.
Oh, fuck.
You're paying for it.
No, no.
I you know what?
I don't walk inside.
He broke pizza rule number one when she's like, come on in.
And he walks in.
You don't go inside.
You never go inside someone's house.
That's where they that's how they get you.
Stephen King, there's a book where he wrote where the two main bad guys in it are old
people who pretend to need help pushing a wheelchair up into their disabled van.
And then they inject the person with like a sedative and then go kill them.
Silence of the Lambs.
Can you help me put this in the back of my van?
Is that what he does in that one?
I forgot.
Yeah.
Couch in the van.
Or he's struggling to do it and he's got a cast on his arm.
Can you help?
Oh, was that Ted Bundy?
No.
That was Silence of the Lambs.
That's the one.
Also, Ted Bundy.
I saw that in his movie.
So they killed the kid from Psych.
I like when a kid dies in a movie like this.
Always makes me happy.
Well, they didn't quite they didn't kill him immediately.
Oh, well, if he gets face hugged, he gets to see his dad's arm get chopped off, then
something on his dad's face.
And then that thing ends up on his face.
And then he wakes up later.
And then it busts out of his dad's chest.
And then it busts out of his chest.
I was like, what the fuck?
OK, let's let's just let's go there.
You're those of you who watch just for the body count, Andy, let's talk about the body
count, shall we?
This movie kills more innocent bystanders than a bullet in China shop riding a racquetball.
We got pregnant women, children, even babies getting off left and right.
It's like the writers sit down and say, you know what this franchise needs?
Infanticide.
Fuck yeah.
I think every movie classy move, guys.
Real class.
I like a sense of realism when I watch it.
Too real.
I like a real sense of realism.
I just don't need the infanticide.
I don't need babies dying.
You know what?
They doesn't need a show.
The baby's dying.
I agree.
I like implied baby death.
Like I'm OK with.
I like implied.
You know, because here's the thing, it makes sense that in a catastrophic event of massive
damage and casualties, that like the bad guys missiles going to hit a hospital and that
hospital is going to have a maternity ward and that maternity ward is going to get rocked.
Right.
And like babies go Israel.
That's what you're saying.
OK, well, we don't go politically.
I mean, that kind of took me back to like Dead Island when when is either Dead Island
or it was one of the zombie games came out.
And I remember like the trailer was very specific.
It had a little girl turning into a zombie.
And it was like, well, we're going to have kids, kids zombies that you can kill.
And they took it out.
And like at the time, I was like, well, that kind of sucks.
Like, yeah, because I like you.
I was like, all right, that's cool.
Kid zombies.
Like, that'll be a fun plot twist.
Yeah.
And like now as a parent, I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I'd want to kill little kids
like in a game like that's kind of just now in real life.
I think killing a kid zombie is that's different.
It's tough survival.
But you got to do it.
You got to do it.
And you eventually they don't have to be desensitized.
They don't have to go.
They don't have to do it.
You know, I think if you if you really lived in the zombie apocalypse, I think eventually
you'd be happier to see a kid zombie than an adult one because it's easier to kill.
Like like eventually you get so desensitized that you would see children's zombies and
be like, oh, thank God.
And then it's just like one shot and it just basically takes it out.
Or you can football kick it or whatever.
I'm cutting so much of this episode up everywhere.
I feel like we need to change your special pick to Cooties because it's kids zombies.
Oh, the Cooties one.
Yeah.
With Elijah Wood.
Yeah.
And Rainn Wilson.
I haven't seen that yet.
I was going to watch it for the zombie week that we did, but I didn't.
So he lives.
So we meet the I guess like one of the main kids, the sort of the bad kid whose brother
came back from wherever and is hanging out with his cop friend who's now a cop but was
a bad guy.
But his younger brother, the apartment they live at is five two two four dash 60.
Yeah.
The number was weird.
What the fuck kind of address is that if I had to deliver a pizza to five five five
two two four dash 60 of where of what?
It's an apartment complex.
But like what floor is that?
Is that building 52, 54?
It's a big old apartment complex.
Massive.
It's the size of the town.
It's kind of like that red one we go to where the numbers are all jacked up.
The building number, the apartment number.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
But so after the National Guard.
So then we get the National Guard like gets like comes and gets rocked immediately, like
gets killed right off the bat.
At that point, as the humans, I would just leave like all of the humans there.
They can't like what are they going to do that the National Guard can't?
I know we have an army chick.
I think they're going to get nuked.
I'm not sure.
Well, they but they didn't know that.
But like from their perspective.
Well, the girl did the army chick did.
She's like, we shouldn't go to the middle of town.
Let's not do that.
Yeah.
Let's the other way.
Let's go.
Let's get out of here.
Let's let's get a helicopter and fly the fuck out of here.
I did like her character, too.
I didn't like that her daughter didn't like her.
That was kind of a sad, but probably realistic.
Well, I mean, she did kind of underplay like her dad dying in front of her like, man, she's
not having the best night.
Like that's the worst night of her life.
Like, what are you talking about?
Yeah.
Again, again, I don't know if this would be more entertaining to watch or just more realistic,
but that kid should have been in severe, traumatized PTSD, planned up, crying silently, always
in shock, horror on her face.
Every time you cut her, no cute lines, no nothing.
Just every time you see her, she's just she looks like your mom's constantly picking her
up and dragging her places because she can't physically move due to the horrendous see
your father fucking die in front of her.
Yeah.
But they didn't really do that in this one.
There's some like we get some of that when the dude's blonde girlfriend gets bladed through
the chest, he freaks out and he goes hard on the paint with the gun.
But most of them, there's so much going on.
There's a lot going on.
Yes.
Maybe they're just like, oh, fuck, so much death.
I put the platoon would be noticed that they are not respond.
Oh, yeah.
And this does get taken care of.
But like that first platoon that shows up, that first little squad that gets murdered
immediately, they should have been on comms the whole time.
You know, there's people in intelligence that are following the situation with drones and
shit and they're like, they're like, all right, keeping constant contact with us.
The moment they heard screams or the moment that they stopped checking in, there would
be F-16 flying over already.
I know in movie land, that's what you see and what you think.
But from real life experience, that's not how it is.
I mean, that's proven with 9-11.
We didn't get jet scrambled in the air.
We don't know.
It's so much more chaotic than people think that that thing where they show and you'll
see it once in a while on special operations, there'll be a thing like that.
But a standard squad going out, they don't talk to nobody.
They're just out doing their thing and they give a report when they get back.
That's how it works in real life.
But at the same time, I would say that radio communication, what's the deal?
We'll have one guy with a radio, but you're not in the middle of a check in every so often.
But now it's 20, 2004, whatever they have.
I think they have enough high tech gear that inside that car, as the dudes are dying, he'd
be able to very quickly tell command, SOS, man down.
Oh, we're under attack.
You might get that.
Yeah.
But then there was a response.
Then the next response from the government was just like, all right, let's nuke it because
fuck it.
Oh, they're under attack?
All right.
Next response is, we don't know what this is.
Blow it up.
We don't know what this is.
We're just going to fucking nuke you guys.
Yeah.
And then, oh, when she runs into the room with her daughter, when she runs into the
store that the ammo shop, the gun place they were getting rifles with, she's like, hello?
And she walks in.
And then with the girl hello and her being obviously a human being, he still points his
fucking gun straight at her fucking face for way too long.
She has a little girl in her and he's just like, oh, hey.
And it's just like, I was just like, oh, that's not cool, dude.
You never poured hope that she'd get shot.
Michael.
Hoping he shot the little girl.
That is not who I am.
I just want realism in movies.
If you're going to have a lot of death, children going to be dying is all I'm saying.
Like shit.
I mean, it's just, it is what it is.
I did like that we got the get to the chopper line.
Yeah, that was a weird, that was fun.
That was fun.
I was like, I wonder if he got that from the oh, you know what?
Here's funny.
I didn't realize that was from Predator until right now.
I knew it was from an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie and it just didn't click.
He was going to reprise his role in one of them.
I don't know.
Was it this one?
But he won.
He won the election in California.
So we got a governor instead of a instead of predator alien vs predator movie.
Isn't it crazy that he was the governor of California for a while?
That was it like that's a real thing that happened.
Most of my childhood, young adolescents.
I bet you in 20 years, people as an adult, how weird it really was.
Dude, in 20 years, we're all going to be arguing whether or not he was really the governor.
It's going to be it's going to be one of those that never happened.
Was it real?
What was that?
What's that called?
The effect and Delafed?
Because it's like it doesn't sound real.
It's just like, no, he really wasn't the governor.
That's just something we made up 40 years ago.
I wonder if that was in a movie.
I wonder that's how people felt about Reagan as president.
Yeah.
Same thing.
That's crazy.
And now Trump is president.
We've had two celebrity presidents.
Yeah.
Which is nuts.
Yeah.
And then I guess how many presidents have we had due to, oh, God, nepotism.
Bush, W. Bush.
Yeah, a lot of them.
Who else?
Nepotism family.
So like bringing someone in.
There were two way back.
They were like cousins or they were they're like related.
Yeah.
Interesting.
And then there's then there's that theory that George Washington isn't our first president.
He's the first official president, but we had like six presidents before him.
We did presidents of the Senate or whatever they were.
They were sort of.
Well, we had six dudes that ran the country before George Washington.
But they still answered to being.
Did they?
Yeah.
They were like a prime minister in Canada for a long time.
Canada, you know, this is England.
I think this was after we post revolution, after we became America.
Oh, I don't know.
I think there was I think there's a few years, like six years or something, where it was
maybe seven years or whatever before they established.
Because I remember they from what I remember from history, and I'll do a double check,
a deep dive on this and leave in the comments how wrong I am if I am.
But I think George Washington, they begged him to be king or to be president.
Well, King.
And they wanted him to be king.
And then he said, no, we're not going to have King, which would have changed everything
if he had said yes.
We would have been a tear like a tyranny or not like England.
Well, maybe we don't know.
Yeah.
But because here's the thing, Mike, we were kind of prone, kind of prone to enslaving
humans back in the day.
So what?
So if we had a kingdom, you're telling me that George Washington, it would be it would
be the same as every other fucking kingdom if he was OK, the slavery of people, you know
what I mean?
So yeah, I don't know.
But I think there was a few people that ran the country before him.
If I read I read that.
But I put that they better not fall in love like the woman who just lost her husband and
the guy pointing a gun at her because I know how movies are.
I'm so glad they did.
Yeah, I'm glad they did not do that.
But they're oh, God, because if they had kissed, I'd be like, what are you doing, dude?
You just lost your husband.
Like, like that would have been gross.
We this that I put great deaths in this ton of onscreen deaths.
The pregnant women deaths I thought were really cool.
Was gnarly.
Think about it.
That scene was gnarly.
Like when they go into the hospital, you see them all fucking.
I'm just letting you dig your own grave over there.
I will gladly dig my own grave.
I don't care.
I like the choices that this movie made to kill babies because that's what the aliens
would do.
Obviously, aliens, they kill people.
They don't care who or what.
True.
Yeah.
So it's technically.
Technically, Michael, this movie, the Alien franchise has been killing pregnant people
since the very beginning because a face hugger impregnates your throat and then a baby pops
out of your chest and kills you.
So the aliens are rapists.
They are murderers.
And there's no exception for rape or alien rape.
That's why we root for the predator.
I always root for the predator.
Well, you gotcha.
Let's get let's call it the alien race.
I root for the yacht show.
I like the the scene where the dude's about to get some with the chick and then like her
boyfriend somehow knows where they are.
Like I don't know if she fucking told them or like what.
But like that was kind of sus.
And he shows up, they have a fight and then there's a pretty cool like the alien jumping
in the pool was pretty creepy.
Like that was that was terrifying.
That's scary.
That scared the shit out of me.
If I was in that pool, I'd be so fucking bright.
That whole scene was pretty cool.
The escaping or some of them.
I liked the that was like a good moment for the alien.
Like the aliens had a lot of good moments in this movie.
The predalien in particular looked fucking awesome.
He's kind of ugly, though.
Yeah, but in an awesome way.
Yeah, like in a in a in a cool what I would imagine an alien and a predator would look
like.
Yeah, like a cyclo.
Like a yeah, you're right.
Because they had a bigger forehead like the cyclos.
No, you're right.
A female cyclo.
It was a female cyclo.
Hot.
Wait for that tongue.
Turned on.
Yeah.
My favorite death of the entire movie, though, is the predator throwing the two blades down,
killing the two aliens and then one of the blades just going straight into the blonde
chick and putting her up into the ceiling.
I'm like, oh, the accidental murder.
So brutal, dude.
And so sad and so good.
Like, it's like, that's the kind of collateral fucking damage that I expect from these kind
of movies.
You know what I mean?
Like I wish a movie had the balls that like, you know, like he they blow up, they put a
bomb off in an apartment complex.
The apartment complex then should crumple, you know, right.
And then you see people falling out of windows that were like mid cooking dinner or something
like that.
Like the brutality, like people don't have the guts to show like the brutal, like what
really would happen in a situation like that.
And I feel like I know that this is a silly aliens versus predator, but like this one
did have the balls a little bit to be like, yeah, they would do this kind of fucked up
shit.
Aliens don't know any better.
They would be fucking like they would do whatever it took.
They found pregnant people.
They're like, cool, we can infect them.
Maybe even the baby inside of them with more alien shit.
We don't know.
Like, like they just, they just impregnate everything and see what happens.
Their little facehuggers just jump on every fucking thing and create little like alien
babies, which is cool.
Like I wonder if out there, if there's like a facehugger that jumped on a bear and we
have like a bearing, I'd be terrified.
Or like a wolf or something.
Like, we haven't seen that yet, but like that would be fucking cool.
Alien.
I'm praying we don't see that.
That means, okay, because in space, no one can hear you scream.
Stop making these goddamn movies.
Who's, well, I liked that, but who's, uh, so that was a good line.
You were just, you were waiting very patiently to use that.
And I gave you credit for that.
Well done.
So I, after the alien day that we did, I was, uh, like really, uh, I appreciate the alien
franchise more than I did after the predator day we did.
I appreciate the predator franchise more.
And these two are a culmination of what I think is a lot of fun about the two series.
It's they're not the best alien movie and they're not the best predator movie.
And that's if you want to hold them in the, in the realm of the alien and predator franchise,
which we can't do, which there's enough.
I don't know.
No, definitely not.
Well, not the very bottom second for the bottom.
No, well, listen, because the predator too, with, uh, uh, was it Donald or Danny Glover?
Danny Glover, predator too.
Not great.
No, not great.
Uh, people say predators isn't that great or the predator wasn't that great.
None of them are going to be prey and none of them are going to be aliens or aliens.
Both are predator.
Yeah.
Well, I, I've always enjoyed the aliens franchise much more than the predator franchise.
Like I, even the bad alien movies I've enjoyed the aliens being mindless.
Yeah.
That makes it better.
Yeah.
Because then the violence doesn't affect you as much.
There's no, yeah, there's no rhyme and reason for it.
It's right.
It's more, it's more survival, survival and stuff.
Whereas, whereas with the, with the predators, there's something about them being intelligent.
Yeah.
It makes it uncomfortable.
I don't know.
I don't get uncomfortable.
I, I know you don't get a couple lady that you've made that very clear with the baby
killing.
I look again, I'm not pro baby.
I, in a movie though, if, if, if there was a baby that would die and then you just, it
does it for some reason.
You know what I mean?
Uh, I, uh, oh, I think the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
I think the, uh, better, a better ending would have been when the army shows up, that they
killed the, uh, that they killed them.
Yeah.
Like they, they could have been infected, like yeah.
Cause exactly.
They don't know what the fucking thing was.
They just find these people who crashed a helicopter.
You just murder them off.
That would be great.
That would've been awesome.
Or it'd have been great to see that like, they get taken away and then like, you kind
of see like one of them has an alien inside of him or something.
Yeah.
I was waiting for that at the end of it.
Yeah.
They really just put a cap on that one.
The first one ever that they didn't just do that.
I was like, we're waiting.
You're not going to leave us open for another one?
You're just going to end this?
You knew this was that bad?
They had plans to do a post-credit scene
and then go back to the alien world
and basically set up for the third movie,
but they scrapped it because they didn't make the third movie.
I think the biggest problem with this particular movie,
the second, is that it made the aliens and predators
kind of pest control problems.
They just weren't even, I don't know.
It was like very, we now know how to take care of them.
Well, you nuke them, but that was what we figured out
in the first movie.
But we should just do it earlier.
Sure, but we-
It's just like we know now that that's all it takes.
Yeah, well, but that's, I don't mean,
in this one it's, I don't know, I like the second one
because it's-
You just like it because of the body cap.
I like the body cap.
The visceral.
I like the visceralness of it, but I also like
the predator, like Brenda said,
the predator in this one's way cooler.
The predator's badge, yeah.
What's not to like though?
I mean, honestly, there's-
It's too dark and too shaky.
Too dark, shaky.
Those are my problems.
I didn't really care about any humans.
Sure.
This one had a problem with probably too many characters
so that you never really got,
like the black girl in the first one was,
you rooted for her.
There's nobody you rooted for in this movie.
I would say, well, the predator.
They're fucking dead anyway.
The predator.
And I didn't like the part where the sheriff was like,
I hope we're both wrong, like about going to,
you're going to get the helicopter,
I'm going to the middle of the town.
I hope we're both wrong, so I hope we both die.
Yeah, that was a weird-
I hope we both die by a nuke.
That really was a weird take.
Like what do you mean, dude?
I noticed that too.
I didn't write it down because I didn't want
to be too nitpicky, but yeah, I did notice that.
This movie made the other one look like a masterpiece.
Oh yeah.
If I don't watch it, here's the story.
I gave the first one like a D plus, C minus, right?
Okay.
And I gave this one like an L.
Yeah.
Okay, but had I watched this one first,
the other one might have been a B.
It was that bad.
The second one is that much worse than the first one.
So a lot of it is in comparison.
The second one had me raise my grade for the first one.
Yeah. Yeah.
I will say that you said there's too many people.
I might agree with you on that,
that I feel like the younger brother
and the older brother were redundant.
One of them would have been fine.
It could have, if they just,
if they got rid of the younger brother
and just made it so that this guy came back to town,
met up with his ex-girlfriend, she has a new guy,
he gets jumped by his friends,
and it's the same exact everything.
His buddy's still the sheriff.
He had the same movie, minus an unnecessary character.
But I do think that the younger brother
and the older brother, just redundant.
Other than that, I mean, I felt like you need people to die.
You need people to run around and look at while the,
because you can't just be Predator the whole time.
I wish it was.
Like, I would like a movie where,
I know Prey kind of does that,
but like a movie where we see it
from the Predator's point of view would be cool.
Where he just sees, in fact, it would be cool to see if they-
Well, this one we got a lot of that.
I thought the first one we got a lot of that too.
I thought we got a lot of that in this one too.
Didn't we?
No, but I'm talking more motivation-wise.
Well, I thought we did with him making friends with her.
We kind of did in the first one.
The first one had some real,
like even though there's not dialogue,
it had dialogue between the two of them.
Yeah.
He makes her the weapon and the shield.
He was showing her how his thing was going to blow up,
just like that was-
I guess what I would like,
I mean, I guess what I'm saying is,
ultimately what I would want from a Predator movie is,
a young Predator, like growing up,
then becoming of age to go on one of these hunts,
and then getting in the ship with either other dudes
or by himself, getting sent to a fucking planet,
jump, you know, like getting launched down to earth,
and then landing on earth, but we see everything.
We see like the Arnold Schwarzenegger character,
whoever the Commandos are,
from a, as if they're the terrifying,
bad things trying to kill.
Like, they-
So they're mannibles.
What do you mean?
I know I-
Just describing the plot.
Battlefield Earth?
Yeah, Battlefield Earth.
What are you talking about?
Your favorite workplace comedy of all time?
You're seeing it from their perspective.
It's Battlefield Earth.
That's what Battlefield Earth was.
It's the Predator's perspective.
Yeah.
They're speaking English, though.
You know what?
It took me a second to realize it honestly,
my brain refuses to accept that you're supposed to see it
from the mannibles point of view from Battlefield Earth.
Battlefield Earth for you.
Absolutely, they are not the main characters.
I, when I think of that movie,
I just think about the main character, John Travolta,
and his buddy, Forrest Whitaker.
That's what you want in this.
Goof around.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, I guess so.
That's what you just said.
But in this one, I don't want a goofy comedy.
In this one, I want...
You want what they wanted to do with Battlefield Earth
and make it a badass movie.
But for them, it didn't make it a badass comedy,
in your opinion.
Well, that's what they wanted.
I don't know if they...
I have to clarify, in your opinion,
it was a badass comedy.
No, it's very funny.
I wish I would have had the same strain you had.
I had a huge opinion, man, that would have been so much better.
You guys are just, you need to...
It was torturous for me.
Okay, you need to rewatch it.
The re-edit, the re-cut with my new music behind me.
It's a rehash special.
Be great.
I still say you should do that.
Well, seems like we didn't care as much for this one.
I'm giving it a D minus, or a D actually.
I don't think it was as bad as all that.
Yeah, like I said, I'm an F.
Nah, see, I was still a D on this one.
It had some redeeming qualities, but it was dark.
It was dark, it was hard to see.
It kinda...
Shaky CGI.
How do you do CGI and make it shaky?
That's what I don't get.
That's what I was trying to figure out.
I don't get that, it's in CGI.
How is it shaky?
It's not a camera.
No.
Why are you shaking it?
Just to add the blur effect to it or something.
Just to, you know, give it a little genizekwap.
It kinda felt like watching a certain particular episode
of Game of Thrones that's very hard to see.
And...
We're not there yet.
Not for a while.
Point it out when we get there.
It's the last season.
Oh, geez, that's gonna be a while.
It's gonna be a while.
So, all right, so number two gets a D-.
First one gets a C.
And that is Aliens vs. Predator, one of two.
Good job, everybody.
It's like a reasonable...
That was reasonable.
That's reasonable, great.
For the next few weeks,
we have kind of a special little treat for you all.
It's going to be, I don't know the exact way to phrase this,
but it's gonna be our special movies.
Since Austin has taken a less permanent role here,
you're still gonna get plenty of Austin in the future,
but he's taken a less permanent role.
We're going to have more guests.
We're gonna get a return of one of our classic OG people
that might pop in once in a while, Dario.
And we are going to...
But right now, since it's just the three of us,
it's Brennan, it's Mike, and myself,
we are going to pick a special movie
that is near and dear to us
and very relevant to the podcast.
And we're gonna pick those to review
for our three little bi-weeks that we had in between this
and when we start the holiday season.
So, first off, it's me,
and it's gonna be, what else, motherfuckers?
It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the movie.
I do have a question.
Am I gonna know anything that's going on?
It's the first thing that was made.
It is the origin story of Buffy.
The show came after, switched actresses,
and continues the plot line from the movie.
Who's the actress that plays Buffy in this?
The act, oh, it's, oh, God, she's famous.
It's not Sarah Michelle Gellert, because it's...
I didn't know the movie came before the show.
I didn't know, it's very unusual for a...
The movie cast is, oh, Kristy Swanson.
Was it a theatrical release, or was it a made-for-TV thing?
Theatrical, theatrical.
So Kristy Swanson, who is, she's...
Saved by the Bell?
You're not even gonna believe me when I tell you.
She's the star of Mannequin 2 on the move,
along with our pal Robert Polarski.
I'm not even fucking kidding you.
This couldn't be more relevant to the podcast
if I tried.
Such a small world.
So we're gonna watch star actress of Mannequin 2
on the move with our good friend Robert Polarski.
We could call him and ask what it was like
working with her on that movie.
If you go on Wikipedia right now, ladies and gentlemen,
to Mannequin on the Move 2,
you'll see that Robert Polarski is on there,
starring as Bob.
And yeah, so we're gonna watch Buffy the Vampire,
so I think, I believe it was 1992.
What was that, the year?
Yeah, 1992.
And if you like hearing us fight,
boy are you gonna enjoy that episode, I'm sure.
Of what, it's the which one?
Is it on any streaming platforms?
I don't know.
I can't imagine that is.
You click it's IMDB.
Well whatever Buffy's on it.
I don't know what Buffy's on, Disney?
No.
Okay, Buffy the Vampire Slayer,
1992 is on Paramount Plus.
Okay, cool.
So, easy.
So it's actually,
it's Joss Whedon who created Buffy.
If you're unfamiliar with him,
we've already reviewed one of his movies,
which was Dr. Horrible's single on blog.
He also is the guy behind the show.
He also did the Avengers movie.
He's also the one that did the Justice League movie
that took over for Snyder after Snyder's incident.
The terrible justice.
Yeah, and so well he did a terrible job with Justice League.
He did a terrible cut.
He was also, he was picking up the pieces, I think,
of some of the movies.
Yeah.
So, whatever, but Snyder, he got his cut.
He did.
I didn't even mind that movie.
Joss Whedon also did this,
like a black and white Shakespeare movie I haven't watched.
I think it's Midsommar.
Wait a minute, isn't Joss Whedon more famous
for something besides that, like Sliders or something?
Sliders, no it's not Sliders.
No, well no, he did, oh no, sorry.
I'm not even done.
More famously, well besides Buffy and Angel,
which he did all the seasons for,
he did Dollhouse, but then he's more famous
and he's more famously known for being the guy
that did Firefly.
Firefly, that's it, Firefly.
And the movie Serenity, which is a fucking awesome movie.
Awesome movie, yes.
And an awesome show.
And Dollhouse is good.
Dollhouse is Elijah Dushku from Buffy.
I pretty much liked everything he ever did except Buffy.
What?
Buffy, I don't know, I never could do that.
I liked Angel, but I didn't like Buffy.
It was a little, I think it's just too female orientated
for me, it's all just, nothing bad.
That's a weird.
No, it's not bad, I'm not saying it even in a bad way.
It's just made for females.
It's not made for females.
I said more.
It's not, but it's not.
I'm telling you, it's not.
It's made by a man.
Yeah.
I don't know, 100%, what I'm saying to you is
it's not made for chicks.
Just because it stars a chick,
it's definitely directed by a man
with scantily clad women running around.
Oh, I know that all, yeah, I know all that.
Like he did not write this for, like he might've,
if you look at the fandom of Buffy,
it's like 80% female.
That's just a simple fact.
Just because women latched onto it.
But that doesn't mean he wrote it specifically for women.
So there's no reason, you can't watch it
and say like it's too female oriented.
I didn't say that, I said it wasn't for me.
I think you used the word female oriented.
Well, I said I think it's a little more female oriented.
Which I don't, that's what I'm saying.
But I don't want that misinformation out on my podcast.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is not-
You don't want those facts out of my podcast.
Well, no, it's not, it's not female oriented.
If you are a man- The fandom is female.
Okay, yeah, the fandom for a lot of things are female
that you can enjoy as a man that has not-
I'm not saying you can't.
But that aren't designed just for women.
I'm not saying you can't.
Like-
Why do you make it all negative?
It's not negative.
Things can be made for females, that's okay.
It explains why you have so many Barbies, Andy.
That was because of a weird birthday thing
that I'm never doing again.
Uh.
But no, I, well I don't, again,
and we'll talk about this in more detail next week.
But it is not made for females,
just because it stars females.
I'm excited to watch it, I've never seen it.
I've never seen it, I'm kinda looking forward to watching it.
Especially how much Andy talks about it.
Yeah, I gotta know what's the-
The movie itself is very funny.
It's more of a comedy horror than a horror.
And it's definitely a departure
from like what the show ended up being.
Because the show's more like kid friendly or-
No, not at all.
Again, you guys are really not understanding
what Buffy is.
Buffy is-
No, I do understand.
My wife watched every episode,
I've seen 20% of almost every episode.
I've never watched any of it.
Buffy is a, young adult, if you're gonna go
at the bare minimum.
Witch crap.
Okay.
Well, there's a witch, eventually, but-
Like Sabrina?
But, no, not like, but it's saying,
when I say females-
Because Sabrina's more kid friendly.
No, it's, what it is, if you're gonna compare demons.
Well yeah, it's Buffy the vampire,
so she's fighting vampires all the time.
Next week's gonna be fun.
Oh, yeah.
Your choice, Andy.
Yeah.
Mike, I swear, okay.
It's gonna be fun.
Well, for us.
Look, you guys are being too, you know what,
watch the movie-
I will, I will, I'm gonna watch it with an open mind.
With an open mind.
With an open mind, for sure.
I will say-
I'm gonna watch it with my wife,
she'll keep me an open mind, for sure.
I believe it's Luke Perry plays her romantic interest
and Paul Rubin plays, Peewee plays one of the vampires.
Cool.
I think I've seen-
And he's very funny in them all.
Is he in the show too, or just the movie?
No, just the movie.
Because I feel like I've seen clips of him.
You might have seen them in the movie.
Okay.
The clips of it.
And then what's, this isn't, spoilers,
but just know that she's a freshman in the movie.
The show takes place when she's a sophomore.
So like-
The whole time?
Or does she go to the movies?
Does she go on through, in the show?
In the show?
Well, the show is like season one is sophomore.
And then junior-
Season two is junior, season three is senior.
They graduate and go on, okay.
Yeah, they go year as a season, for the most part.
And I don't know if they do time jumps or time skips,
but, and then the movie,
it's just its own self-contained thing.
Well, sort of, except like what I'm saying,
like the principle in the show
references stuff that happens in the movie.
Because like she has a record now, like,
or like, you know, it's like-
So there's continuity throughout it.
Oh, well, it's basically that.
It's like for the people who watched the movie
and jumped into the show, they're like,
how is this gonna, like it's a new actress.
It's like, how is this gonna do its thing?
And like, it's basically just the principle going like,
so Miss Summers, it looks like this shit
went down last year and you might've been involved
because, you know, like she's the vampire slayer.
So like that's pretty much it.
Okay.
And then they just move on to new school.
She makes new friends.
She gets a new watcher.
Okay. Yeah.
And the watcher's played by Repo,
the genetic opera lead guy, Giles.
Okay.
So it's another reason to watch the show
because like he's awesome as the watcher.
I'll start with the movie and see how I feel.
Then we all watch the show together.
We'll do a re-watch of the show.
No, we'll do a re-watch of the re-watcher podcast.
We'll talk about the girls talking about the podcast,
about the show.
The girl podcast for the show
that's not driven towards girls.
Yeah. Just because two girls
happen to have a podcast about it.
I bet you there's, that's why I need to start
a man podcast talking about it.
Manly ass show.
But anyway, all right.
So that's next week.
It's gonna be about the vampire slayer, 1992.
And as always, Austin passed on a really fun tradition.
And that tradition is that we like to do a little thing
called recreational recommendation.
Beep boop.
["Beep Boop"]
I can't do it like Austin.
I like it.
You can't do it like Austin.
It's so good.
Okay, that's so good.
So for this week,
I've been playing the Silent Hill 2 remake.
And I think that it was,
it's so far has been fucking awesome.
Playing it still mostly during the day.
I did play a little bit at night.
And then, yeah, immediately I was like,
yeah, I'll just play Funko.
I thought it was funny that I asked you like,
when I left here, like,
how are you gonna play this when you live here alone?
You're like, ah, I'm switching to Funko as soon as you leave.
Yeah.
It's like, okay.
So listen, and I'm not a baby or anything.
And I don't think monsters are gonna attack me.
It's just, you know, it's nighttime.
I live alone.
And monsters are gonna attack me.
And it's creepy.
So Silent Hill 2, but it's great.
The remake, super good.
On par with like the Resident Evil 4 remake or the,
it's just like a solid,
like good worth your money purchase.
And I think that's,
and I haven't watched Teacup yet,
but please go watch Teacup.
I'm sure it's good.
It's Robert McCammon.
It's the first show that's been made from his book,
from one of his books.
He's one of my absolute favorite authors.
I want more of his stuff to be adapted.
So I think if this does well,
they could potentially turn Wolf's Hour, Swanson,
or fucking Mystery Walk into like, you know, something.
And that would really be amazing.
So go watch the first few episodes of Teacup.
Brendan?
Yeah, I didn't really come up with one.
I mean, I did see that Tulsa King,
season two is finally out, Paramount Plus.
Season one was great.
I haven't started season two yet.
Just as good.
Is it? Okay.
I'm excited to watch it
because they took forever to do season two.
Like season one, I binged it in like a week
and I was like, this is fucking great.
What's going on?
I thought they canceled it, but yeah, it's awesome
that season two is out.
But check that out.
Stallone, right?
Yeah, it's great.
And he's great.
It's amazing.
Stallone is what you want to see him as.
He's like a badass.
Mobster, selling weed.
Yeah, selling weed.
Yeah, basically going to, and not being badass,
being kind of cool, but still badass when he's.
Yeah.
I'm watching, speaking of television,
which I had not, I don't know how I missed this show
for all mankind.
Oh, the one about space?
Yeah, but it's not.
It's about space, but it's more about NASA and.
Apple TV, right?
It's on Apple TV and it's like,
but it's an alternative universe.
It's like where they, the Russians won the space race.
Altered the history.
Okay.
So the character's Russian or the Americans?
No, they're both.
Oh.
And.
It looks a little slow.
That's the only reason I didn't.
It's drama, but I don't know if I'd call it slow.
It's the only reason I didn't jump into it.
It's not fast either.
It's kind of paced correctly,
because it's, I mean, it's in like its fourth season.
Okay.
So.
Still going on, okay.
I thought it was like a one season thing.
Okay, interesting.
Very good.
I mean, if you watch it two times speed,
anything's fast.
Yeah, I mean, if we're with Russians,
I might have to go 1.5,
because with an accent,
it's a little harder to understand them.
But yeah, for sure.
Subtitles.
Yeah, subtitles.
Yeah, yeah.
Like we do for the rewatches.
But awesome.
Great for the, great rec recs.
Thanks for joining us everybody.
Keep listening for more spooky, haunted Halloween,
17 nights of Halloween that continues tomorrow.
It's going to run through to the end of Halloween.
So keep listening for those.
What does that culminate with?
What's that?
That we're going to actually.
Oh, and on Halloween day,
make sure to listen for the live recording of us on camera,
look on YouTube,
listen for the recording of us watching,
Terrifier 2.
Which.
Well, you watching and me sitting there with my eyes closed.
Are we watching two or the new one?
Three.
No, two.
We're going to watch two.
Yeah, next year will be three.
Next year will be three.
Yeah.
Which I've been hearing bad things about three.
Oh, serious.
Bad things in what way?
Because it's going to be the number one movie this week.
Like bad, like as in it's gnarly.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, gnarly.
People are throwing up and like.
Well, here's what Zach told me about the difference.
He's like, in number one,
they were like really showing who Terrifier the Clown was,
or like already the clown was or whatever his name is.
But in number two, I think they went with like,
what's the grossest, most gruesome stuff
that we could possibly show on camera.
And I'm like, oh, okay, great.
So that's the one we're going to watch.
And then he's like, in number three,
kind of feels like they continued that,
but then also gave us a little bit more of the clown.
So I was like, okay, cool.
So that's what we're going to watch.
Look for the live recording of that.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Did he already see the new one?
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
He went and saw it immediately.
Yeah, of course, it's Zach.
Is he coming to live watch?
I hope so.
That's his genre right there.
Yeah, I know.
I hope he comes to live watch.
But yeah, join us then and we will see you later.
As always, my name is Andy.
I mean, maybe I change it one day,
but right now I'm-
Are we on the wrong episode?
Yeah, I don't know what's happening.
I thought you were about to start singing.
Yeah.
My name is Andy Rice.
And I like pumpkin spice in my eggnog.
That time of year, he mentioned Joss Whedon.
Now he's in musical mode.
I'm in musical mode.
With me as always, speaking of musical,
it's Brennan.
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.
Ship me up to Boston.
Have a good one, everybody.
With me as always, it is Michael.
I guess he didn't die by the end of the episode.
Who knew?
Yeah, I don't get a damn song either.
Larson, you'll never get a song, Larson.
Have a good weekend, buddy.
You had a dedicated song that Andy wrote.
I'm kidding, go on YouTube right now
and look up the Michael Larson,
I wanna kill Michael Larson song.
Was there two songs that you made?
No, there's one.
Just the one.
And I wrote that without AI.
That's one of the best written diss tracks of all time
that I spent hours recording and it's on YouTube right now.
Go listen to the Kill Michael Larson song.
And I've been your host, Andy Rice.
We've been Fried, we've been Rice, we've been Podcast.
Have a good night.
["Kill Michael Larson Song"]