WEBVTT 00:00:09.740 --> 00:00:12.419 Welcome to the LITE Bites podcast from the Leeds 00:00:12.419 --> 00:00:14.900 Institute for Teaching Excellence at the University 00:00:14.900 --> 00:00:18.219 of Leeds. This is Education Spaces mini -series. 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:20.420 In the next three episodes, LITE Bites will 00:00:20.420 --> 00:00:22.640 be featuring guests with unique insights related 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:32.479 to the Education Spaces programme. Hello and 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:35.200 welcome to the KUTE Bites podcast and particularly 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.200 welcome to the first episode of our Education 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.759 Spaces mini series. I'm Emma Peasland, I'm the 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:44.020 Head of Research in Leeds Institute for Teaching 00:00:44.020 --> 00:00:46.579 Excellence or LITE at the University of Leeds 00:00:46.579 --> 00:00:51.079 and I'm joined today by Ollie and Lynda who are 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.439 graduate interns who've been working with the 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:55.539 Facilities Directorate and Transformation Office 00:00:55.539 --> 00:00:59.479 here for the past 18 months. And over those 18 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.020 months, Olly and Lynda have contributed to lots 00:01:02.020 --> 00:01:04.540 of different projects within the Education Spaces 00:01:04.540 --> 00:01:07.239 programme that's running at the university. And 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:09.560 they have a specific interest in the physical 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:13.260 design of our teaching and learning spaces. Today, 00:01:13.420 --> 00:01:16.140 you're here to talk about the Education Spaces 00:01:16.140 --> 00:01:19.750 playbook. which is a reference resource for designing 00:01:19.750 --> 00:01:22.129 and evaluating teaching and learning spaces. 00:01:22.549 --> 00:01:25.090 And it's something that you, Ollie and Lynda, 00:01:25.129 --> 00:01:27.430 have both been working on and developing over 00:01:27.430 --> 00:01:30.569 the past year in collaboration with Jenny Brady, 00:01:30.810 --> 00:01:33.150 who's the Inclusive Learning and Teaching Manager 00:01:33.150 --> 00:01:36.430 based in Educational Engagement and Student Success, 00:01:36.829 --> 00:01:40.230 and with Claire Danahey, who's Space Utilisation 00:01:40.230 --> 00:01:43.549 Manager in the Facilities Directorate. So it's 00:01:43.549 --> 00:01:46.260 great to have you here, Ollie and Lynda. Yeah 00:01:46.260 --> 00:01:48.840 thanks for having us. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:53.560 So we're going to get started then thinking about 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.400 the playbook because that's what you're here 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:58.980 to talk about and I'd love it if you could start 00:01:58.980 --> 00:02:01.719 off by telling us a little bit about the playbook. 00:02:02.060 --> 00:02:04.099 So like what's the broad synopsis and what did 00:02:04.099 --> 00:02:06.700 you want to investigate and why did you decide 00:02:06.700 --> 00:02:11.099 to create the playbook? Yeah, so as a bit of 00:02:11.099 --> 00:02:13.719 background, early on in our internships Jenny 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.340 Brady was really keen to introduce us to the 00:02:17.340 --> 00:02:19.460 Leeds Institute for Teaching Excellence through 00:02:19.460 --> 00:02:23.000 a number of research projects related to education, 00:02:23.259 --> 00:02:26.539 space design and pedagogy and since then we've 00:02:26.539 --> 00:02:29.680 been introduced to many more through meetings 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.300 with LITE Fellows, through the student education 00:02:32.300 --> 00:02:36.689 conference in January and as our kind of awareness 00:02:36.689 --> 00:02:39.729 grew about this wealth of research at this intersection 00:02:39.729 --> 00:02:42.750 of space design and pedagogy, we kind of became 00:02:42.750 --> 00:02:46.289 aware that there's a need for a resource which 00:02:46.289 --> 00:02:49.289 gathers this body of work together in a way which 00:02:49.289 --> 00:02:53.830 is usable at a future point of need. So in response 00:02:53.830 --> 00:02:56.530 to this, me and Lynda have been busy collating 00:02:56.530 --> 00:02:59.689 and summarizing academic research related to 00:02:59.689 --> 00:03:02.930 education space design from light projects and 00:03:02.930 --> 00:03:07.629 beyond. and organising it into this playbook. 00:03:08.310 --> 00:03:12.110 The idea was kind of to have this collected in 00:03:12.110 --> 00:03:15.449 a way which can help inform future design decisions 00:03:15.449 --> 00:03:19.669 and then also help build this institutional memory 00:03:19.669 --> 00:03:22.969 of light projects and also make sure that their 00:03:22.969 --> 00:03:26.830 research outputs are used. Great, so I love that 00:03:26.830 --> 00:03:29.250 kind of sitting at that space, that intersection 00:03:29.250 --> 00:03:34.650 between space design and pedagogy. What does 00:03:34.650 --> 00:03:39.349 it look like in practice? So the resource is 00:03:39.349 --> 00:03:42.729 basically a typology of spaces that we have on 00:03:42.729 --> 00:03:47.449 campus. So in the playbook we set out each space 00:03:47.449 --> 00:03:52.569 including the pedagogy, so the defining pedagogy 00:03:52.569 --> 00:03:55.389 of each space, the spatial attributes of each 00:03:55.389 --> 00:04:00.189 space and associated technologies. And as well 00:04:00.189 --> 00:04:02.370 as this kind of setting out this typology and 00:04:02.370 --> 00:04:06.009 vocabulary of spaces, we also include guidance 00:04:06.009 --> 00:04:09.729 and key things to consider that we've gathered 00:04:09.729 --> 00:04:13.590 from the research. And then as a result of this, 00:04:13.789 --> 00:04:16.850 as a kind of byproduct, the playbook exists as 00:04:16.850 --> 00:04:21.790 this kind of holistic overview of university 00:04:21.790 --> 00:04:26.230 research and contacts for anyone who's involved 00:04:26.230 --> 00:04:29.689 in space design or new space projects or refurbishments 00:04:29.689 --> 00:04:32.430 or things like that. So yeah. Brilliant. And 00:04:32.430 --> 00:04:36.290 so what kind of process did you take in developing 00:04:36.290 --> 00:04:40.459 the resource? So, the playbook developing is 00:04:40.459 --> 00:04:44.279 kind of a cyclic process, mainly involved in 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:47.819 the planning part, and also drafting, consulting, 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.240 and also presenting. So, for the planning part, 00:04:51.339 --> 00:04:53.879 as Ollie mentioned, we've been involved in different 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.920 types of education spaces projects, like Bring 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.000 Your Device and Informal Learning Studies based 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.860 refurbishment. So, we just have a chance to talk 00:05:02.860 --> 00:05:05.560 with different staff from different departments. 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.019 So we actively join the workshop and conference. 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:15.500 So during this process, we just read a lot of 00:05:15.500 --> 00:05:18.740 excellent internal and external research papers. 00:05:19.370 --> 00:05:23.149 Um, so at this point, our line manager, Jenny 00:05:23.149 --> 00:05:25.990 and Claire just mentioned, oh, it's the right 00:05:25.990 --> 00:05:29.129 time to put all these valuable information together, 00:05:29.509 --> 00:05:33.189 um, to create kind of resource package might 00:05:33.189 --> 00:05:36.930 support future space design. So I started to 00:05:36.930 --> 00:05:40.629 select some education spaces related research, 00:05:40.629 --> 00:05:45.730 um, from LITE fellowship. Um, and Create kind 00:05:45.730 --> 00:05:48.850 of mind map to see what kind of resources we 00:05:48.850 --> 00:05:51.990 had and what kind of project we had can included 00:05:51.990 --> 00:05:55.769 in the playbook So it's all about preparation 00:05:55.769 --> 00:06:02.389 stage then for the drafting I think It's about 00:06:02.389 --> 00:06:05.990 how to structure all these information together 00:06:05.990 --> 00:06:10.009 in a clear and like clear and logic structure 00:06:10.009 --> 00:06:13.670 because we have wider potential audience. We 00:06:13.670 --> 00:06:17.310 would like the playbook both informative but 00:06:17.310 --> 00:06:20.790 also practical and let people easy to use in 00:06:20.790 --> 00:06:25.689 the future. And for the consulting, I think it's 00:06:25.689 --> 00:06:29.129 really important part because we just continually 00:06:29.129 --> 00:06:32.209 work with stuff from different departments like 00:06:32.209 --> 00:06:36.629 LITE Fellowships, FD, Student Union and Disability 00:06:36.629 --> 00:06:40.579 Service. We're trying to provide a kind of holistic 00:06:40.579 --> 00:06:44.319 view of the playbook and trying to consider any 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.319 necessary details and cooperate different perspectives 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:52.439 in the playbook So it's all about collaboration 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:57.459 And for the presenting I think it's a really 00:06:57.459 --> 00:07:01.569 good chance for us to show the playbook and just 00:07:01.569 --> 00:07:04.910 ask staff's idea and gain some valuable feedback. 00:07:05.949 --> 00:07:09.009 So Ollie and I present our first version of Playbook 00:07:09.009 --> 00:07:13.009 on February and April's education spaces program 00:07:13.009 --> 00:07:17.269 meeting and also present on July's FD senior 00:07:17.269 --> 00:07:20.810 management team to show like what kind of examples 00:07:20.810 --> 00:07:24.970 we included in the Playbook. and we gain the 00:07:24.970 --> 00:07:27.529 valuable feedback from them. And we also had 00:07:27.529 --> 00:07:31.149 a chance to ask some targeted questions, like 00:07:31.149 --> 00:07:34.550 which part of the playbook is missing, and who 00:07:34.550 --> 00:07:37.209 should be involved in the playbook design process, 00:07:37.370 --> 00:07:41.170 and how the playbook can be applied in the future 00:07:41.170 --> 00:07:46.240 space design process, et cetera. because we think 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.680 it's really important to make sure the content 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.319 of the playbook is always on the right track, 00:07:52.579 --> 00:07:56.399 on the right direction, and match with the university's 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.079 future development strategy and the transformation 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:03.839 map. Fab. And you mentioned FD a couple of times 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.079 in there, and that's the abbreviation for the 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.339 Facilities Directorate. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. 00:08:08.819 --> 00:08:11.220 I really like hearing that kind of process and 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:13.899 the fact that you incorporated so much consultation 00:08:13.899 --> 00:08:16.540 and collaboration in your approach. So did you 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:19.060 get any particularly kind of useful feedback 00:08:19.060 --> 00:08:21.759 or did that change your approach in any way, 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.259 the feedback that you got through consultation? 00:08:24.750 --> 00:08:28.730 Yeah, here are a few examples we got. So we just 00:08:28.730 --> 00:08:32.370 consult with LITE team. So there's one researcher 00:08:32.370 --> 00:08:35.049 just point out the people change factors is quite 00:08:35.049 --> 00:08:38.649 important. For example, we got advanced technology 00:08:38.649 --> 00:08:41.850 in the space, but we didn't provide like training 00:08:41.850 --> 00:08:45.610 for teachers and students how to use them. So 00:08:45.610 --> 00:08:48.610 they might feel not confident or comfortable 00:08:48.610 --> 00:08:51.730 to use this, then we just waste those resources. 00:08:52.309 --> 00:08:55.149 So before we didn't think about people change 00:08:55.149 --> 00:08:57.330 parts, but after the conversation, we try to 00:08:57.330 --> 00:08:59.750 think what kind of training we can provide, what 00:08:59.750 --> 00:09:02.940 kind of... potential support like creating the 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:06.220 guidance book is kind of good way and show the 00:09:06.220 --> 00:09:09.259 like kind of visiting tool for both teacher and 00:09:09.259 --> 00:09:12.120 students in the new space will be a good example. 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:16.559 So we're trying to think from this part and also 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.779 on July we just meet with FD senior management 00:09:19.779 --> 00:09:25.179 team and We just talk about technology part because 00:09:25.179 --> 00:09:28.320 we found in the previous research something like 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:32.360 teacher feel the software is out of date in a 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:36.519 space and we ask the question like what universities 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:39.399 AV team is trying to do to solve this problem. 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.159 And they just mentioned they already noticed 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:45.120 this trying to do some updates during this summer 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.059 vacation for the teaching spaces. So it's all 00:09:48.059 --> 00:09:50.840 kind of new information we get and can be added 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.159 in the playbook. Excellent, so it sounds like 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:55.240 you took a kind of really flexible approach. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.580 Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you've got a huge amount 00:09:59.580 --> 00:10:01.879 of information that you've tried to, or you've 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:03.600 not tried to, I think you've successfully put 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.919 into something useful. So I'm interested to know 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:09.659 how you simplified that and how did you structure 00:10:09.659 --> 00:10:12.940 the playbook to make that a good presentation. 00:10:13.539 --> 00:10:18.360 So when we were thinking about how best to synthesize 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.850 and organize all this information, I was reminded 00:10:21.850 --> 00:10:25.850 of this paper that was written by David Radcliffe, 00:10:26.070 --> 00:10:29.009 which outlines a question based framework for 00:10:29.009 --> 00:10:31.250 designing and evaluating teaching and learning 00:10:31.250 --> 00:10:34.649 spaces. So this framework basically outlines 00:10:34.649 --> 00:10:37.769 the key questions to consider when you're designing 00:10:37.769 --> 00:10:42.029 education space and groups them into these categories 00:10:42.029 --> 00:10:46.409 of pedagogy, space and technology. And we use 00:10:46.409 --> 00:10:49.940 this framework in two ways. So The first way 00:10:49.940 --> 00:10:54.600 was as a method of information gathering. So 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.100 because of the question -based nature of the 00:10:57.100 --> 00:11:01.360 framework, we were able to gather and filter 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.440 research by basically looking for answers to 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.779 the questions in the framework. So these questions 00:11:08.779 --> 00:11:11.740 were overall, what is the motivation for the 00:11:11.740 --> 00:11:14.600 space? Pedagogical question was, what types of 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.039 teaching and learning are we trying to foster? 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.940 For space it was what aspects of the space design 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:24.139 will foster the desired pedagogy and experience. 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.340 And then for technology we asked what technology 00:11:27.340 --> 00:11:30.340 will complement the space design in fostering 00:11:30.340 --> 00:11:34.159 the desired pedagogy and experience. And having 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:36.559 these questions just allowed us to gather this 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.220 information in a really simple, clear, direct 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:41.759 way. And then the second way we used that framework 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.000 was to actually organise and present the information 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:49.049 in the playbook. So for each space type that 00:11:49.049 --> 00:11:52.330 we cover, these questions that I just outlined 00:11:52.330 --> 00:11:56.129 were the subheadings for each kind of paragraph 00:11:56.129 --> 00:11:59.289 or section of the space. And then we obviously 00:11:59.289 --> 00:12:02.929 provide answers to the questions under each subheading. 00:12:03.690 --> 00:12:06.029 Oh yeah, and it's also important to note that 00:12:06.029 --> 00:12:09.929 those were the kind of PST questions that already 00:12:09.929 --> 00:12:13.659 existed, but we... supplemented an extra question 00:12:13.659 --> 00:12:17.240 to provide this experience element to make sure 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.039 that we were thinking about what types of experience 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:23.500 we're trying to foster through our spaces. So 00:12:23.500 --> 00:12:28.720 we kind of created this new PSTE framework. And 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.139 yeah, collecting this information in this way, 00:12:31.580 --> 00:12:35.259 just allowed us to organize and synthesize the 00:12:35.259 --> 00:12:37.860 research into something that was a bit easier 00:12:37.860 --> 00:12:43.039 to access. Excellent. So you've brought together 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.559 all of this useful information. So if I was, 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.740 for example, designing a silent study space and 00:12:48.740 --> 00:12:50.820 I could go to the playbook and have a look at 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:53.860 this synthesis of all the research that you've 00:12:53.860 --> 00:12:56.879 encountered from external sources and from within 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.220 the university as well. Yeah, exactly. Marvellous. 00:13:00.669 --> 00:13:03.149 And then you mentioned, as an example there, 00:13:03.590 --> 00:13:05.269 collaborative lecture theatres full of one of 00:13:05.269 --> 00:13:07.750 the types of spaces. Could you give us an example 00:13:07.750 --> 00:13:11.570 of how the information is structured in the playbook? 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:17.460 Yeah, so as Ollie mentioned, we got PST in framework 00:13:17.460 --> 00:13:21.039 and it can be easily applied into different education 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.899 spaces. So basically, for the collaborative lecture 00:13:24.899 --> 00:13:27.759 theatre, we start with the introduction of the 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:31.179 space to introduce the aim of the space and what 00:13:31.179 --> 00:13:35.080 kind of pedagogy can be like foster in the space 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:38.019 and what kind of activities teachers can do in 00:13:38.019 --> 00:13:41.659 the space and like those expected behaviours. 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:46.440 to see and suggested in the space. And then we 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:49.620 will just based on the PSTM framework from space 00:13:49.620 --> 00:13:52.779 design perspective and technology perspective 00:13:52.779 --> 00:13:56.039 to see what kind of practical recommendations 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.600 we can put. So we during this process, we just 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:04.960 working closely with light team. And based on 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:09.960 previous light research, we just from furnishing 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.120 side to provide some suggestions. For example, 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.500 in the research, it suggested that in the collaborative 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:19.299 lecture theatre, it will be benefit if we can 00:14:19.299 --> 00:14:21.659 keep two different type of seat arrangements, 00:14:22.259 --> 00:14:25.259 because it can satisfy different students' needs 00:14:25.259 --> 00:14:28.600 and learning styles. And from technology side, 00:14:29.259 --> 00:14:34.970 we just see, like Ed mentioned, like we should 00:14:34.970 --> 00:14:38.190 ensure the technology in the space is work and 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:41.570 trying to always update and check the software 00:14:41.570 --> 00:14:47.000 because They just mentioned something like when 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.279 teacher go to the space and they find out the 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.059 software doesn't work and will make teacher to 00:14:52.059 --> 00:14:55.179 pause and cancel some interactive activities 00:14:55.179 --> 00:14:59.000 as they planned. So it's quite important to always 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.879 check the technology. So we just put all these 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:06.240 suggestions in the playbook so people can directly 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.440 and easy to understand what kind of factors they 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.340 need to focus when they refurbish or design the 00:15:12.340 --> 00:15:16.340 space. Excellent. I love the way that it's so 00:15:16.340 --> 00:15:18.500 kind of built around really sort of practical 00:15:18.500 --> 00:15:21.720 recommendations for people to use and I speculated 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:24.139 before about how I could draw on the playbook 00:15:24.139 --> 00:15:26.379 if I was designing a particular type of space 00:15:26.379 --> 00:15:29.059 but how do you kind of hope that it will be used 00:15:29.059 --> 00:15:32.159 to support the education spaces program and other 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:36.639 work within the university? So I think we envision 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:40.639 the playbook to be used as kind of this briefing 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:44.480 tool. or something to be referred to throughout 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.580 the project life cycle of a space project, space 00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:50.720 design project, as this kind of point of reference 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.860 rather than something that's really prescriptive. 00:15:53.980 --> 00:15:56.159 We didn't want, it's not a prescriptive manual 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.799 or anything like that. We just, we intended it 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.799 to help start the concept design process and 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.419 provide this kind of design backbone as opposed 00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:08.940 to start in projects with a blank canvas. and 00:16:08.940 --> 00:16:11.759 then also kind of having all this information 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:16.399 to go over and read at anyone's convenience hopefully 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:19.759 provides this common ground for anyone involved 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:25.360 in planning, designing, managing spaces on campus 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.919 and this common ground or this kind of shared 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:32.879 understanding hopefully will provide equal access 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:36.190 to the design conversation. for the diverse stakeholders 00:16:36.190 --> 00:16:38.649 that are all involved in these projects, as opposed 00:16:38.649 --> 00:16:42.470 to some people not being able to engage in the 00:16:42.470 --> 00:16:44.210 conversation because they don't know how this 00:16:44.210 --> 00:16:48.850 works or that works. So we're just basically 00:16:48.850 --> 00:16:51.789 hoping to encourage input and collaboration from 00:16:51.789 --> 00:16:54.049 as many people as possible and kind of broaden 00:16:54.049 --> 00:16:57.710 the understanding of these spaces for everyone 00:16:57.710 --> 00:17:01.139 involved in these projects. Excellent. I really 00:17:01.139 --> 00:17:03.360 like the way that you're talking about the fact 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.299 that it's not prescriptive, so it sounds like 00:17:05.299 --> 00:17:08.160 you've got almost like a menu of things that 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.619 you could do if you're designing a particular 00:17:10.619 --> 00:17:13.819 type of space rather than a to -do list of things 00:17:13.819 --> 00:17:16.359 that you need to do. Yeah, that's exactly it. 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:20.099 Yeah. That idea of diverse stakeholders with 00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:22.640 different experience being able to have a conversation 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.099 from that same resource regardless of levels 00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:29.920 of expertise. Really nice, I like that a lot. 00:17:31.259 --> 00:17:33.579 And so going forwards then, where can people 00:17:33.579 --> 00:17:36.799 find the education spaces playbook and who do 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.180 you think could use it? Because currently the 00:17:40.180 --> 00:17:46.509 playbook is continued to be developed. we're 00:17:46.509 --> 00:17:49.390 trying to kind of arouse people's like attention 00:17:49.390 --> 00:17:52.950 like we have these resources and they it can 00:17:52.950 --> 00:17:55.190 potentially be benefit for the future space design 00:17:55.190 --> 00:17:58.630 and I think based on the meeting and discussion 00:17:58.630 --> 00:18:03.650 probably in the future we can just find the link 00:18:03.650 --> 00:18:07.670 of the playbook on our team. Like website. Yeah, 00:18:08.029 --> 00:18:12.630 like website. And also trying to get the regular 00:18:12.630 --> 00:18:15.210 review of the playbook because we've got so many 00:18:15.210 --> 00:18:17.950 excellent research and we're trying to make sure 00:18:17.950 --> 00:18:20.349 there's kind of information and best practice 00:18:20.349 --> 00:18:23.369 can be added in the playbook to continue just 00:18:23.369 --> 00:18:26.130 share the new information to other people. Yeah, 00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:27.990 that's really important, isn't it? To be able 00:18:27.990 --> 00:18:30.210 to keep reviewing it and making sure it's up 00:18:30.210 --> 00:18:32.750 to date as we find out new things. Yeah. Yeah. 00:18:33.369 --> 00:18:37.079 Brilliant. Well, it sounds like it's a really 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.740 kind of comprehensive and useful resource that 00:18:39.740 --> 00:18:43.200 hopefully will inform the creation of really 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:46.160 appropriate and good to use, good to teach in 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:48.599 and good to learn in spaces at the university. 00:18:49.180 --> 00:18:51.900 And one last thing that I'm curious about is 00:18:51.900 --> 00:18:55.299 did you enjoy the process of creating this playbook? 00:18:55.619 --> 00:18:58.640 And if so, what did you enjoy most about it? 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.640 Yeah, yeah, we definitely enjoyed the process. 00:19:02.180 --> 00:19:06.509 I think for me, My favourite part was just kind 00:19:06.509 --> 00:19:09.470 of hearing different people's experiences of 00:19:09.470 --> 00:19:12.470 using spaces in there. Just the diversity of 00:19:12.470 --> 00:19:16.369 kind of preferences of spaces, you know, from 00:19:16.369 --> 00:19:20.569 wanting to use a nook in the café nearer to being, 00:19:20.890 --> 00:19:23.970 liking to be surrounded by the Brutalist architecture, 00:19:24.390 --> 00:19:26.569 like complete polar opposites of things like 00:19:26.569 --> 00:19:31.289 that. And hearing people's experiences on campus 00:19:31.289 --> 00:19:35.119 and everyone's also really Kind of passionate 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:37.039 about these things and everyone's got an opinion 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:42.140 on space basically And you know these diverse 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:44.680 preference. There's no right way to design a 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:49.519 space. So I think thinking about Variety variety 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.079 is one of the key things that kind of came through 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.359 To kind of provide this variety of space for 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.700 people so that they are unable to Choose the 00:19:58.700 --> 00:20:01.359 space which is most ideal for them. But yeah, 00:20:01.420 --> 00:20:04.279 that's a question. My favourite thing was Yeah, 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.460 hearing about people's kind of diverse opinions 00:20:07.460 --> 00:20:12.019 about space. Yeah, I think we have a campus with 00:20:12.019 --> 00:20:14.940 lots of different architecture and people love 00:20:14.940 --> 00:20:17.440 particular parts of it and other people love 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.839 different, I love the brutalist part. Yeah, me 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:22.240 too. And Lynda, what about you? Did you enjoy 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:25.359 it and what did you enjoy about it, if so? Yeah, 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:28.559 I enjoyed that, like creating the playbook and 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.640 also especially for the communication process 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:35.480 because I really well like because that is my 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.200 interest to see different type of research and 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.279 understand academics research how their like 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.619 result can potentially support our future space 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:47.000 design and enhance student experience because 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:50.559 at the preparation stage I just talk with the 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:53.859 light fellowships to understand those ongoing 00:20:53.859 --> 00:20:56.579 research to understand what kind of methodology 00:20:56.579 --> 00:21:00.900 they applied during the process and what potential 00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:03.980 benefits to support education's basic design. 00:21:04.299 --> 00:21:06.119 So I think it's really meaningful because during 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.380 the conversation, we just got the like new ideas, 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:11.900 you can understand what is the current gap because 00:21:11.900 --> 00:21:14.539 some like stuff can mention like, oh, that is, 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.200 this gap is the reason why I would like to do 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.440 the research. For example, I talked with Pam 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:24.599 Birtill and she just mentioned for the like, there's 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:28.180 one research about how campus green space connect 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:30.680 with student sense of belonging. So they just 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.339 have small range of like research samples. They 00:21:33.339 --> 00:21:35.559 would like to expand this and do more continued 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.000 research. So it's quite interesting to understand 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:41.859 this part. And also another is I got a lot of 00:21:41.859 --> 00:21:46.019 chances to join different workshops and activities 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:49.799 like PIPs activity. I really impressed by the 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.730 staff. show how the lecture looks like and the 00:21:53.730 --> 00:21:56.789 seminar room looks like and what kind of pedagogies 00:21:56.789 --> 00:21:59.829 people foster in a space, whether it's kind of 00:21:59.829 --> 00:22:02.970 traditional and whether it is more active, and 00:22:02.970 --> 00:22:06.789 to understand teachers from different school, 00:22:07.089 --> 00:22:09.250 how they use the space, what parts they really 00:22:09.250 --> 00:22:11.230 like about the space, what part they really don't 00:22:11.230 --> 00:22:15.329 like. Yeah and Pips was that pedagogies in physical 00:22:15.329 --> 00:22:18.390 spaces workshops that are run by organisational 00:22:18.390 --> 00:22:21.369 development and professional learning. Yeah and 00:22:21.369 --> 00:22:23.769 I think we were both in one of the same ones 00:22:23.769 --> 00:22:26.289 and it was really interesting to see how some 00:22:26.289 --> 00:22:29.130 people felt comfortable in the lecture theatre 00:22:29.130 --> 00:22:31.069 space and other people felt more comfortable 00:22:31.069 --> 00:22:34.630 in a collaborative digitally enabled learning 00:22:34.630 --> 00:22:39.200 space. Yeah, so yeah, marvellous. Well, thank 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:42.299 you so much for coming and sharing information 00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:44.500 about the playbook and your experience of creating 00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:47.099 that today. I hope it's an excellent resource 00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:51.079 that lots of people find useful and informs the 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:54.539 creation of excellent learning spaces here at 00:22:54.539 --> 00:22:57.319 Leeds. And then I just want to give you a kind 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:00.579 of a last minute moment. Is there anything that... 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.839 you would want people to particularly take away 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:06.099 from this conversation or from the playbook? 00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:10.859 I think just if you've made it this far then 00:23:10.859 --> 00:23:14.440 thank you, thanks for listening. I think yeah 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.099 the main one of the main things we wanted to 00:23:16.099 --> 00:23:18.880 do by coming on here was just kind of make people 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.480 aware that this thing exists and you know we 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.039 kind of want these conversations to keep happening 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:29.059 like Lynda says the conversations are practically 00:23:29.059 --> 00:23:32.039 the most important part of this whole thing. 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.500 So yeah, the takeaway would be just, you know, 00:23:36.859 --> 00:23:39.640 get in touch with anyone involved in this project 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:41.619 if you want to learn more basically.