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Hi, this is the first of hopefully many podcasts where myself and my friend James are going

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to discuss a number of topics over the coming weeks.

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One which I feel that some people may take for granted.

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We kind of want to ask the questions why and kind of get to the bottom of why things are

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the way they are and get people's views and opinions on how they feel about those certain

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things.

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So I'm Nick and this is my friend James.

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Say hi James.

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Hi everybody.

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Yeah, hoping to have some good conversations, hoping that you will enjoy listening to them

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and that through interaction we can expand on these topics as I feel debate is a bit

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of a dead art form and discussion as well and respectfully disagreeing are also in low

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supply nowadays.

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Anyway, sorry, you just told me to say hello.

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Hello everybody.

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You're all good.

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You're all good.

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No, you're absolutely right.

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I think debate is a very, very under exercised tool that's gone unused for a long time and

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I think a lot of people need to feel a bit more happy just to have their opinion but

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know how to go about putting that across in a way that's constructive so that people can

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respect that but also know that they're free to have their own opinion as well.

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So I thought we'd start with a soft topic, I know that I'm aiming for us to discuss certain

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stronger topics down the road but I thought we'd start with something a little bit softer.

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So we're going to start discussing royalty, its origins, why it kind of exists and what

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it means to people and because I know through growing up in the UK, we've got a royal family

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and it is highly respected throughout the world but I've always just grown up with it

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being there.

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It's a thing that has always been there and I know a lot of people around me don't necessarily

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respect the royal family.

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I mean, I don't personally have a problem with the fact that they're there.

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I've always been one of those people that kind of go, why is this one family kind of

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like apparently ruling the world or ruling the country and the Commonwealth or whatever

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else?

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So it's very much a symbolic kind of position at the moment but sorry, we'll get to that

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in a minute.

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It's interesting that technically we are a dictatorship but I know for a fact the moment

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the royals step too far out of line, they would be deposed.

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I imagine it's actually not a pleasant life for them, it's very much a gilded cage and

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the moment you step off that knife edge you fall and it's, for example, like the controversy

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around Meghan and Harry, I'm not going to say they've done nothing wrong but what I'm

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going to say in the grand scheme of royalty, in the grand, in the historical context of

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what deposed princes or members of the direct royal family can do, the controversy surrounding

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them at the moment is entirely a man-made, well any controversy is man-made but it's

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very much a generated media storm about very little, if I'm honest with you.

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I would actually go as far to say possibly nothing, you know?

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I mean if you think about it from, let's revise the humanity of the matter and this is a man

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and his wife who, like the man was born into this family with no real claim, especially

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now that William has had children, no real claim to any kind of rites of passage, shall

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we say, that has married his love and wants to live his life and for doing so has been,

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like the media has painted a certain picture of almost like borderline treachery for his

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position as a prince and the royal family.

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I can't help but think sometimes that if I was a royal, I'm a very strongly opinionated

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person as I'm sure you'll come to learn over the coming weeks, I would really struggle

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in Harry's position not to stand on the hilltop and kind of scream, who the hell do you think

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you are to tell me that I shouldn't be living my life, you know?

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There are different avenues for doing that and I guess his free part book deal and documentary

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series with Netflix is his own way of doing that but it's kind of frustrating that there

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is a monetary connection there, that he is going to be paid for doing this and it just

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kind of, it's annoying because Harry has fought in our military, he has fought in our wars

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but it's just like if he really wanted privacy and stuff then he wouldn't use these tools

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as a way of making money, you know what I mean?

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Yeah absolutely.

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I think growing up, if you think about the two boys when they were growing up, William

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was very much growing into the middle to upper class icon, very approachable, down to earth

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but stately and Harry was very much the lad, he was the commonest person, wasn't he?

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Much like his mother, not that she was the commonest person but she was very down to

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earth, she was all too happy to get her hands dirty and get on, for lack of a better term,

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the commonest level with them and Harry was very much the same, he showed that, for Christ's

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sake he dressed up as a Nazi at a fancy dress party one year didn't he?

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Got in so much trouble for that.

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Yeah, he did.

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The weird thing is, back then it wouldn't surprise me if other people did the same thing

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and it's all about context isn't it?

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If you go to a local and let's all dress up as historical figures and you show up as

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gobbles but you know it's a context where everyone's going to be fine with it, then

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it's fine.

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However, walking to there, if you pass somebody in the street who chooses to punch you in

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the face, that's a grey area.

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I guess it's frustrating because...

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Well let's be fair, he didn't dress up as Hitler, he didn't dress up as THE Nazi, he

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dressed up as A Nazi, symbolising the movement, a movement which still exists to this day

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I might add.

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Annoyingly, England did have a Nazi party run by somebody who was first a conservative,

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then a labour, then chose to use that vehicle of fascism as a way of doing it.

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We'll call him indecisive.

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Yeah, yeah, you know what, passionately indecisive.

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So I've got a question for you.

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Do you know, and this is something that I was avidly looking up, which is what led to

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me asking you if you wanted to get on board with a few podcasts, but do you know who was

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the first ever royal leader, not of the UK but the first historical, the first person

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that was a king or leader of some description of like, monocle power, first one of history?

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Okay, so I know from my own readings of the Bible I know a lot of old kings, so I can

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tell you who it's definitely not, annoyingly, it doesn't actually go back as far to say

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the first one.

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Now is it the first person who called themselves a king at all, or like an emperor?

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Like I don't know, because there's so many titles where somebody claims to be royal,

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I guess the whole invention of title would have, the first one would have been chief,

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and then chieftain.

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I think if you go back as far as what we know in historical contexts, when you're building

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it based on tribes and things like that, obviously like the way that we picture that humanity

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evolved, then yeah, I suppose the leaders would have been chieftains or grand chiefs

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or whoever.

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But no, I'm talking an actual person that was a king, for lack of a better term, a ruler,

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and is the first person that is known to be a leader outside of mythological past.

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So this is kind of on the borderline of mythology, like that's how old he is.

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But we know he was a real person because we found the grave and we found the scriptures

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that put him where he was.

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Do you know who that was?

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I will be honest with you, I don't have a clue.

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The first acknowledged ruler in history that isn't mythology was Sargon of Akkad, so obviously

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the Akkadian Empire in Sumeria and Mesopotamia.

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Okay, so like modern day Iraq and Syria.

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Yeah, like 23rd century BC he died.

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So we're going back prior to the days of Moses.

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So a long, long time ago and this is, yeah, he reigned from like 23rd century, 2334 to

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2279 BC, I've got it written here.

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Yeah, was the first leader of the Akkadian Empire.

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Okay, and what, sorry, let's repeat his name and then go on to explain.

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Sargon.

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Sargon.

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Sargon.

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That's a brilliant name.

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That literally sounds like something out of Lord of the Rings.

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But I do, you know, sorry, that is history for you and I do like that Sargon.

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Okay, other than the fact that he was the first king, do you know much about his rule

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or what he did?

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So he was the first, he was one of the first great empire builders, it says, so he conquered

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all of southern Mesopotamia, like Syria, parts of Syria, Anatolia as it was, and Elam, which

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is part of western Iran.

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So yeah, that kind of, where they hypothesize the Garden of Eden was that area there.

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Well, it does, again, in like the Book of Genesis, it does talk about the Tigris and

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the Euphrates.

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So that really puts like a solid location and you can always argue like the poeticness

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of these things, but we'll get on to that at a different thing.

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That's interesting though.

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So he was the first king, but obviously that was the first king in the world.

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So the first king that we've got that, as I said, wasn't mythological.

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But I also quite heavily lean on mythology as well.

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I think there's always elements of truth within mythology as well.

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Yeah, well, I've heard that a lot of the Greek pantheon was based on tribal leaders of those

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original settlements, so like there was a Theena or Athena at some point.

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There was Ares, there were these people.

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us about the ancient, what now is classed as the mythological cities of like Atlantis

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and that, and Atlantis was apparently built by the god Poseidon and was led by the king

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Atlas, which was his son, his first son.

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Actually he had seven sons and the seven cities of Atlantis were all led by his sons, but

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the main capital was kinged by Atlas.

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And on another interesting note, the first king of Mauritania in Sahara, like that, quite

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a very own Africa, his name, the first ever king of Mauritania was Atlas.

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Interesting.

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Hence why you have the Atlas Mountains along the northern ridge of Africa.

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Well, that's brilliant.

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I will just throw out a fact here just because you've clearly done a lot of good research

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here and I'm obviously on a bit of a back foot, so I definitely am going to prepare

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more for the next one.

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I find interesting that the word Sahara literally means desert.

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So when people say the Sahara desert, you're literally saying the desert desert.

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And like apparently there's several other things where that is the case, but it really

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doesn't, it somewhat surprises me that the king Sargon was like Mesopotamian.

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I kind of would have assumed that the first king would have been African.

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Yeah, but I think-

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I don't know, genetically we mankind started in Africa.

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They say the birthplace of humanity was in Africa, don't they?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Whereas the oldest civilization or signs of civilization is actually around Turkey and

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Syria and that area.

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I haven't.

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I know that there's a donkey jaw which has the first signs of marks in it, which seems

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to be a counting system.

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So Stonehenge, the upright stones that were placed, they're about 6,000 years old.

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Well, there's Gobekli Tepe is a construct like a city almost of upright stones in Turkey.

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And they've carbon dated.

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The best thing about it is that this entire city of 20 tons stones that have been perfectly

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placed in the ground and oriented north, which going back as far as they were, was almost

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unfathomable, is actually 11,000 years old.

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It is incredible.

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Crazy.

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The fact that they had the-

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So do you think that although Sargon is the closest thing that we have to a historical

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truth of a king, they must have had some form of government?

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This is why I go kind of like towards mythological past because I think relying purely-

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Those times did exist.

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I mean, there has to have been civilization before.

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If you think 14,000 years ago, we were coming to the end of the ice age, how much change

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went on in the world during that time?

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I mean, for the next 2000 years, there was pockmarked with other comet impacts apparently,

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which caused massive floods all over the world.

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How much land was washed away and how much civilization was washed away?

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If what we're looking at now is civilization starting, say 11,000 years ago, then that

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ties in with the end of what they call the Young Adryas, which is like the end of the

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ice age.

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There was a 2000 year period where temperatures were fluctuating.

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There were a lot of floods and stuff, and then it ended and it started to get warm about

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11,000 years ago.

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If you think how much would have been stripped away and lost in that period of chaos, then

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history really would have only had a chance to be started again 11,000 years ago, which

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means it's an open book before that, isn't it?

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All you've got is this word of mouth, as I said, about Plato's scriptures on Atlantis

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and what we've heard in mythology of Lemuria and other continents that were said to have

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existed.

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Obviously, there's things that science are looking at now that actually there may well

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have been a massive continent that connected Madagascar, India, and Australia all together,

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that's now lost to sea.

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Was it Pangaea?

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Was that the original mega continent?

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I don't know exactly.

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I know that history says that Pangaea, the original continents were all together.

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I know that the continents weren't necessarily all together and all land at the same time,

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so it might well have been that they were all together.

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All that you see now that is land would have been formed together in its own way, but it's

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not necessarily that it was all one continent above land.

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There may well have been rivers and seas that are now countries that are above land.

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Continents in their own rights are now completely lost under the ocean, which as I said is part

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of that land mass that was between Madagascar, India, and Australia, which is why you've

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got linking fauna and flora that are similar in Madagascar as you have in Australia.

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Some of the most unique wildlife in the entire world in two of the most untouched places

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in the entire world.

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The fact that humans existed in Australia when nobody had been there kind of makes you

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go, well, did somebody fly them there and just drop them off or did they have some other

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means to cross from where civilization was into this country and then get stranded there?

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I think that there are loads of ancient stories of ancient chieftains who sail across seas

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in order to get places.

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It wouldn't surprise me if there was a slow migration to Australia.

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You've got Indonesia and Malaysia are like the world's, I'm not sure if they're the largest

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acapella goes, but you've got loads of little islands there and it wouldn't surprise me

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if over the course of thousands of years.

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They say that all of that was actually just, it was continent.

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It was land that was above the sea.

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And then through the tectonic shifts of the planet, it got lost under the sea and all

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that you've got left now is, as you said, the acapella goes of Papua New Guinea and

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Malaysia and all of that.

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Okay.

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Yeah, really interesting stuff.

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That's a fair point.

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I'm not sure if, you know what, we'll talk about Aboriginal culture and other things.

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They're actually one of my favorite native people groups.

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Just generally their culture of dream time stuff, which in itself, even the wording of

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it, you know what, I don't want to...

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Yeah, well, we'll put a pin in that one because it sounds like a really good topic to go over

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and we'll cover that in another podcast.

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Going back onto the royalty, obviously the royalty, there's always been leadership in

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society, as far back as we know, obviously with Sargon of Akkad, with the Akkadian Empire.

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As soon as there was leadership, there was domination, there was dynasty, there was amazing

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things.

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If we look at mythological terms, they say that leaders in the very beginning of humanity,

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outside of religion, shall we say, but inside of spirituality, they say that the royalty,

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the leaders, they were the oldest of the spirits that would guide souls into the physical

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realm, into the physical being, and help that soul then adjust into that physical realm.

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That was their job.

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That was why they were so important because they'd been in their physical form for so

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long and they had more experience than these newer souls that were just coming into being

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and they were given that status.

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That sounds a lot almost like...power and knowledge have always been revered in...well,

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I don't know, I can't think of a single culture which has a disdain for either of those things,

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for knowledge or for power.

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It sounds a lot there, like what you described, although that may very well have been the

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first royals, that almost sounds like a tribal elder.

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Yeah, I mean, I think you've got to go back to the point before, you can't think of civilization,

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ancient civilization in the same way that we think about civilization now.

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Where there's quite a clear hierarchy to our leaders now, before it would have been completely

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different.

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But it would have been, I should imagine, it would have been more spiritual than it

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would have been like dominance, shall we say, or like you said earlier, dictatorship.

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It would have been almost like teachers, spiritual, spiritual guiders.

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And that's why they were looked up to.

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That's why they were revered, because they had the knowledge that you wanted and you

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needed to survive.

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Which absolutely makes sense, I suppose, when you think about science, in the survival of

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the fittest, those with knowledge and those with intelligence would have had the power

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in themselves to survive better than those without it.

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So they would have been looked up to and would have been respected and kind of, in turn,

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placed on their own proverbial pedestal.

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No, it's an interesting thing.

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Is that a direct translation from which language is that taken from?

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I don't know, which culture?

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It's based on, there's Sumerian, I want to say Sumerian texts that kind of put it along

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those lines, but I can't be sure.

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It's one of those things that I read a long time ago and it kind of stuck in my head,

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but where it came from has kind of slipped away with time.

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But the fact that it was beyond, it was almost like those fables, word of mouth kind of tellings.

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Okay, that's interesting.

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It's also interesting that that sounds somewhat credible, because the first recorded or the

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first king that we have solid evidence of, King Sargon, was also from around that same

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area.

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Not the same place.

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If I have just offended anyone, I don't mean to be by saying those two places are the same.

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But if you look at it globally, geographically, Sumeria was fairly close to Mesopotamia.

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That's interesting there.

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Okay, and when do you think this idea evolved?

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So what, the idea of royalty?

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Yeah, so when did it become less of a almost spiritual parent?

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I think along those lines, I think you've got to kind of bring in what we know of the

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human nature.

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So that would be when selfishness, shall we say, took over.

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Because royalty-

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That's pretty early on then.

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Yeah, royalty, I mean, it's part of human nature, isn't it?

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It's very subtle.

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Humans, by their very nature, are self-serving.

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And I don't mean that in an offensive way.

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I mean, it's survival of the fittest.

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So I think it's almost instinctual to be that if you end up being put on that pedestal,

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then you end up self-elevating, don't you?

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And after a while, that culture will grow into this, I am a god and I am above you,

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and therefore you are peasants and you are below me.

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And that's kind of where it would psychologically lead.

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I don't know whether that would have happened over a hundred years or whether that would

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have happened over 10,000 years.

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It's almost cause and effect, I suppose, where if you give someone, if you give a person

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or a line of people that power, then inevitably at some point somebody will abuse that and

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turn it into dominance or an act of dominance in itself.

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But it's not to say, I mean, it sounds like I absolutely go against royalty, not at all.

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I think royalty itself has brought some marvelous things into the world.

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It's also given those that need leadership leadership in order to do great and amazing

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things.

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They've also done some incredibly stupid things over their time so that they're not immune

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to that.

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Order in and of itself, like...

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Okay, so order generally is good, I think, but, and then this is probably another topic

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for another thing, but order, I always see it as something which expands the potential

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for what's already there.

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If you've got a good heart and, or if you've got a lot of good people and you expand order,

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what you get is people who are able to give more because things are more organized.

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If you've got people, if you've got a lot of aggressive people, then order enables them

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to become organized and you get, I don't know, you get your first military units at that

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point, or your first kind of raiding parties and things like that of other cultures.

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I don't know, I think that I like order, but I also like freedom and you know what, I don't

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want to go too much off on a tangent here.

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I agree with you in that I like royalty because there's a clear...

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It's not just a, oh well, what decision are we going to make?

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Well we're going to have a massive debate and then we're going to compromise and then

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we're going to come up with something that's half effective.

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With royalty and with classical royalty, it's just like, well what's the empire going to

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do?

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Well the emperor hasn't spoken yet when he's, we'll bring it before him and we'll see what

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he decides.

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Yeah, yeah exactly.

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Yeah, I mean you think along the lines of like court itself, and I don't mean court

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as in the judge and jury kind of court, I mean court as in royal court, people would

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bring problems to the king and the king would go, well we're going to do this.

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So even during those times of, should we say dictatorship by royalty, there was reverence

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and almost dependency on that stately figure to guide and help the nation and it was their

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responsibility to support and lead their subjects as it were.

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So it wasn't, I don't think it's always been, there have been a number of bad leaders over

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the years, but with power will always come those people that take it too far.

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But I think when you end up with the leaders like we had, our queen obviously that passed

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away recently, she was possibly the most personal queen that we've, or leader that we've ever

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had, somebody that sought to lead the country with her heart more than with the iron fist

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of leadership as it were.

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Or at least that's the air that she gave off.

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Well it's very interesting that, I hate to admit how much I've learnt by watching seasons

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one to Three of the Crown.

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I hate the fact that I have genuinely learnt things from that.

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I'm not going to indict, I'm not going to endorse, but it's interesting that in that

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show they talk about the efficient, which is parliament, and the dignified, which is

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kind of like the whole, the removing of royalty from the day to day dealings with governance.

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There are times when that can even be used to defang someone, like in the case of Mount

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Baton, who was literally promoted to the point where he no longer had any control over the

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military because he was the head of the British military, weirdly enough, at the same time.

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But anyway, sorry, I'm not going to go do off one.

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But I, yeah, I've got a lot of respect for our departed queen.

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I realised that she wasn't perfect.

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She was somebody who was born, wasn't she born in the 30s?

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Like, you know, so she would have...

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Yeah, she was born in the 30s.

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She was 94 or 95 when she died.

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And she'd reigned for 70, I think 72 years.

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I don't think we're going to get anyone top that for at least a while.

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Definitely not Charles anyway.

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Definitely not.

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It's interesting with Elizabeth, I've got a lot of respect because she, the times that

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she got involved, like she, you know, there's not a huge...

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The things that she did, she very much kind of had, she didn't get involved.

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And a lot of me, I'm worried that people like hundreds of years from now will see her as

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a terrible queen, because she let countries walk out of the Commonwealth and out of what

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was left of the British Empire.

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I actually have a huge amount of respect for that.

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Absolutely.

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And to be able to let go is good.

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I think if sociological mentality stayed as it was, I suppose, 50 years ago, then she

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could have been looked at or even further than that, say 100 years ago.

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If sociological mentality stayed the way it was 100 years ago, like she would have been

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deposed, I suppose, because of that relinquishing of power.

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But 21st century, it very much, absolutely very much, I think there's numerous reasons

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why she made the right decisions.

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You know, they are a people in their own right and they were a subject of the Commonwealth

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probably for the wrong reasons, really, because of the way that they were conquered.

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Well, we'll talk about, I imagine we'll talk about slavery, the Triangular Trade, the gutting

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of Africa, because it's interesting.

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Sorry, you know what?

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Just really, really quickly.

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Before the slave trade, there's no way in hell we could have invaded the African nations.

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They were strong.

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There was too many of them, too few of us, all of that lot.

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And it's just really interesting how, you know what?

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No, we're going to touch upon that upon another time and also don't want to get your thing

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banned.

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At some point, we will cover that when we know the ground that we stand on and we know

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how far we can kind of go with our discussions, then we'll go into a bit more tongue in cheek

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discussions because I've got a lot, a lot that I want to bring up.

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As I said, the main point of these podcasts is to challenge, not necessarily to say you're

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wrong, but to say this is a topic that not many people know or not many people question,

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but we're going to really challenge it.

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We're going to get into the nitty gritty of it.

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So it is definitely something that we'll go into, but let's tread carefully for now anyway.

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Exactly.

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Okay.

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Let's bring it back to something a bit more jovial.

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I had a look at some silly rules that were brought in.

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I don't know if you want to hear some of those.

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So leaders that have some of the stupidest laws.

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So Edward the third, did you know that he banned football?

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Was that something to try and get people to do more archery or is it because he was?

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You're on the right line.

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You're definitely on the right line.

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So football back then was a very violent game.

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There weren't the rules that there are today in the premier league, et cetera.

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It was a very aggressive and violent game and there was no set like pitch size.

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Sometimes the pitches were two miles long and they would be played with sometimes 50

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or 60 people on the pitch.

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It was almost a mini war with a ball, like a bladder of a dead animal runner that was

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being kicked about on this.

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And there were full blown riots and fights that would happen.

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This bloke wanted to go to war.

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Edward the third wanted to go to war, but so many of his people were being injured by

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playing football and so many of his people had died because of the black death that he

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banned football because he couldn't risk losing more because he wanted to use them.

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He wanted to use them in the war, which I thought was absolutely hilarious that he wanted

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to go to war so he had to ban football.

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I love it because at that point it's almost like, well, violence is wrong unless you're

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doing it in my name.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a whole other pitch.

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You're not allowed to have sports and beat the crap out of each other.

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Unless you're going to go and have sport on a battlefield for me and do something for

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me.

455
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Ball breakers, interestingly, would receive six days in prison if they were seen playing

456
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,920
football, which is relative to getting a red card, I suppose.

457
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Not much has changed.

458
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,240
I wonder how many people had a gallbladder of a goat or something just slammed on their

459
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:37,320
training trading table and then were wrongly accused of it.

460
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,320
Yeah, exactly.

461
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,320
But anyway.

462
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,160
On the topic of sport, Henry VIII was a big tennis fan.

463
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Did not know that.

464
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,160
No, neither did I.

465
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,040
And James I made it illegal.

466
00:40:53,040 --> 00:41:00,720
This is on a par with sport, but it's really interesting and absolutely ridiculous.

467
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:07,240
But he made it illegal for you to blow your nose in the street.

468
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:11,880
And I think there's a line where you kind of go, I can see, you know, Covid recently,

469
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,880
I can kind of understand.

470
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,880
Do you want to know why?

471
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:16,880
Was it a plague?

472
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,880
No.

473
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,880
Was it a plague?

474
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,880
No.

475
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,880
Really?

476
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,880
No, it wasn't because of the plague.

477
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:32,760
It was because he wanted to protect the horses for Newmarket.

478
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,960
I've got several things I can say about that, but I'm not going to because we're going to

479
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,960
keep this civil.

480
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,960
What can I say?

481
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:46,320
Power really goes to some people's heads, right?

482
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:53,400
It's interesting, you know, like when you've got these fictitious books, like, yeah, like

483
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,200
any of the Terry Pratchett stuff, they make jokes about these sorts of things where a

484
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:05,240
king would, yeah, a king saw a cloud that offended him.

485
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:10,240
So he demanded that his archers open fire upon it.

486
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,480
64 people died in the city underneath the cloud.

487
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,480
Jesus Christ.

488
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,400
You know, like you get those sorts of things.

489
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:27,200
It's just it's annoying that it's a caricature, but it's not too far removed.

490
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Yeah, yeah.

491
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,000
What's the third?

492
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,840
Like these things normally come in freeze.

493
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Like what's the what's the next ridiculous law that has been made up?

494
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:46,720
So and I hope this isn't a trend that continues with the Charles's Charles the second banned

495
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,600
coffee.

496
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:55,800
OK, was there was that because too much of our money was going was kind of filtering

497
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,280
back to the Middle East or like the use of the words there?

498
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,680
But no, no, unintentional.

499
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,920
Charles the second banned coffee and the use of coffee houses because he thought it led

500
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:15,280
to conspiracies and people beginning cohorts against him.

501
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,840
So he gave people too much time to talk.

502
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,520
And when they talked, they they realized that he was a bit of an idiot and he didn't like

503
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,520
that.

504
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,520
He felt threatened.

505
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,300
So he banned coffee.

506
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:33,200
You might as well ban telling jokes because you feel insecure that when laughing, they're

507
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,200
laughing at you.

508
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,200
Absolutely, absolutely.

509
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,440
But I thought that was I thought that was I thought that was quite apt.

510
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,960
I used to used to be a barista in a coffee shop.

511
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:50,120
And that was one of the quotes of the day was that King Charles the second banned coffee.

512
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:56,040
Thank God he didn't it didn't stand till today because otherwise I wouldn't have had a job

513
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,040
at that time.

514
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:03,240
Yeah, I thought that was that was some of the some of the most silliest of of rules

515
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:07,880
that were brought out over history specifically by royalty.

516
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

517
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:15,240
Well, let's just say not all things that they've brought in brought us have been good.

518
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:20,200
And war obviously aside, some of their rules have been rather ridiculous, too.

519
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Well, that's it.

520
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,680
That's it.

521
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:29,040
It's just it's kind of I love it as well, because when it comes to when it comes to

522
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,440
war, when it comes to rules, when it comes to all of these things, it's always what you

523
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:42,640
can get most people to obey or at the very least to tolerate.

524
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:50,920
And that's where I think there's there's a massive change between what is seen as acceptable

525
00:44:50,920 --> 00:45:02,480
monarchy nowadays and what what isn't, you know, like in in ancient times, you'd literally

526
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,560
you had the king of was it Nebuchadnezzar?

527
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:11,600
I think it was Nebuchadnezzar literally demanded that everybody bow down and worship a statue

528
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,400
that he made.

529
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:21,520
And if you didn't, the punishment was death or King Herod, who literally killed all of

530
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,480
the babies under two years old in a certain city.

531
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,480
Yeah.

532
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,320
And I was like, you know, the king, you try and pull that shit.

533
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,160
You know, King Herod also murdered his own two sons.

534
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,160
Did not know that.

535
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:40,520
I know that Herod the Great had three sons, which annoyingly he named so many of the ancient

536
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,620
lines do this as well in order to create consistency.

537
00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:53,720
They named their sons the same name, which just creates so much confusion, like Cleopatra,

538
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,880
the one that's famous was in fact Cleopatra the seventh.

539
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,080
And then you think, well, what happened to all the other Cleopatra's?

540
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Some of them died.

541
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Some of them were sisters.

542
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Some of them were cousins.

543
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:10,120
But all of the people in that female line at the same bloody name.

544
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Yeah.

545
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,000
So like I saw I'm wondering Herod killed his sons.

546
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Which one?

547
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,720
I guess you know what I mean?

548
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,600
So no, two of his sons he murdered, but I didn't know he had three.

549
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,600
But that shows, doesn't it?

550
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:29,360
You look at certain research and it covers certain points, but not everything, you know,

551
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,720
which is why it's so important when you do your research and things like that, that you

552
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:38,420
look at multiple points because multiple sources because in the middle of all of these perspectives

553
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:43,680
is the truth and you'll never find you'll never find the truth directly from one source.

554
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:50,720
So do you know how many sovereign states there are currently in the world?

555
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,720
Oh, fantastic.

556
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:53,720
Okay.

557
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:58,840
So is this recognized by the UN or not recognized by the UN?

558
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,760
This is this is recognized by the UN.

559
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,760
Okay.

560
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,080
And these this is anything where there is a sovereign state.

561
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:16,360
Yeah, as in King, Sultar, you know, Sheikh, I think, is one of the leaders.

562
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,360
Yeah.

563
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,880
I'm gonna.

564
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,880
You know what?

565
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,840
Although there are a lot of countries which are no, you know what?

566
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,640
Sorry, the 18th century.

567
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,360
Sorry, the 18th 19th century happened.

568
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,120
I'm going to 137.

569
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,120
137.

570
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,960
No, there are there are 43 recognized sovereign states in the world.

571
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Get out of town.

572
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,960
That few.

573
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,520
There's around there's over 200 countries.

574
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,800
Yeah, there are 13 in Asia.

575
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,040
There are 12 in Europe.

576
00:47:54,040 --> 00:48:02,300
There are nine in the Americas, six in Oceania and three in Africa.

577
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,880
Only three in Africa.

578
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,840
That's really surprising.

579
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,520
I could name them, but I'm not going to bore you with 43 different names.

580
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,840
Needless to say.

581
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,440
Do you have the three in Africa?

582
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,440
What are the three remaining?

583
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,440
Let me see.

584
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,440
Let me see.

585
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,960
This relies heavily on me knowing geography.

586
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,800
Is Maui still a is it Maui?

587
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,800
Is Maui still a.

588
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,800
Maui.

589
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,800
Yeah.

590
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,800
Is that still a sovereign state because.

591
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,800
No.

592
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,800
On Malay in Malaysia.

593
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,800
Yes.

594
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,800
Okay.

595
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,800
They've got a.

596
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,800
Let me see here.

597
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,800
They have got a semi constitutional monarchy.

598
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,800
All right.

599
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:59,560
Well, one thing I guess I wanted to cover with you as well.

600
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,360
Like I realize we will probably end up going massively over time.

601
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:12,640
But you said it's something about this podcast is you want to kind of like look at how things

602
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,120
are the way they are.

603
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,120
Yeah.

604
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Okay.

605
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:23,440
So something that I know or something that my brother is massively into is the formation

606
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,440
of England.

607
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Yeah.

608
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,800
As a country out of the four states of.

609
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,520
Mercia, Wessex, West, yeah, exactly.

610
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,560
Waste, East Angola, Northumbria.

611
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,560
Yeah.

612
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:44,720
Like those ones all forming together under a single family, although interestingly like

613
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,840
that family in itself really struggled to.

614
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,840
It was under.

615
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,840
That's it.

616
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,840
King Appelstone.

617
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,840
Yeah.

618
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,840
King Appelstone.

619
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,600
And it's just like.

620
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:08,240
So at one point you had everybody who owned several tribes calling themselves a king,

621
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,080
which I'm not.

622
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,080
I don't know.

623
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,600
I actually kind of I kind of get that.

624
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:20,280
Like everybody needed some kind of order and there was very little order you could provide.

625
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:29,000
But simply knowing that a land, I guess it comes with the ideas of identity, but the

626
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,280
fact that you had kingdoms changing, the land underneath it staying the same, but the people

627
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,280
who live on the land identify themselves as a certain country.

628
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,360
And because they identify themselves as a certain country, they then turn to a certain

629
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,360
individual.

630
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,360
Absolutely.

631
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,920
In order in order to rule them.

632
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Yeah.

633
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,360
I mean, that's even that.

634
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,200
If you think about Mercia and Northamere and Wessex and East Anglia, like they were all

635
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,140
countries post post-Roman Empire.

636
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:03,640
So like they were Anglo-Saxon.

637
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,640
They were were they Anglo-Saxon?

638
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Am I thinking wrong?

639
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,640
They would have.

640
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:14,600
They would have been a mixture because it's really interesting to know that the Welsh

641
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,880
were very, very resistant to being Romanized.

642
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:28,280
But once they were Romanized, they also held on to it fiercely, which is why they're reluctant

643
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,280
to change.

644
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,740
Well, exactly.

645
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:35,280
But like they they held on to that culture as well.

646
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,640
And it's it's very interesting when like people say, oh, England, you went all over the place

647
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,640
and robbed the world and you're all evil oppressors and blood over.

648
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,200
And I'm just like, that's so historically short sighted.

649
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Absolutely.

650
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,200
I mean, yes.

651
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Yes, absolutely.

652
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,400
The Great Britain, like as an empire did that.

653
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,400
Yep.

654
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,400
So did the Mongols.

655
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,400
So did the Romans.

656
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,280
You know, all we did was we just we just copied.

657
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,020
You know, we just copied type.

658
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:14,040
So let's not necessarily judge the English for that.

659
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,280
It's interesting, though, that like when you talk about what is English culture, part of

660
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,560
it is that monarchy.

661
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,760
But that monarchy in itself has changed hands so many times.

662
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:24,760
Yeah.

663
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,520
Even the monarchy isn't isn't thoroughbred English.

664
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,560
If there is anything that you can say is thoroughbred English.

665
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:38,760
I'm pretty sure in my bloodline, I've got numerous different genetic codes from numerous

666
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,520
different places in the world.

667
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,320
And that is what I think of as as English.

668
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,320
That's what I think of as British.

669
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:49,320
The fact that we are a mixing pot.

670
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,320
I guess where I was going was with the earlier thing is that we were invaded, yes, by the

671
00:52:54,320 --> 00:53:01,920
Anglo-Saxons, but also by the Normans, by a lot of Germanic tribes.

672
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,920
Yeah.

673
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,920
Yeah.

674
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,720
Like the way look at look at the Vikings.

675
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:08,960
I mean, just just the point that I don't know.

676
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,240
Many people don't actually know.

677
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:15,280
But you know, the Battle of Norr, Battle of Normandy 1066, the Battle of Hastings 1066.

678
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,280
Yeah.

679
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,280
Yeah.

680
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,280
So we were invaded by the Normans then.

681
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:24,160
Do you know that the fall of the Viking Empire or the fall of the Vikings, the end of the

682
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,440
Vikings happened a mere couple of weeks before that?

683
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,400
Get out of town.

684
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:38,320
In the Battle of Stamford Bridge, King Harold, the last king of Norway, was killed at the

685
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,720
Battle of Stamford Bridge in England in 1066.

686
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:43,720
Wow.

687
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:48,920
But because it's yet we remember the alphabet.

688
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,920
Absolutely.

689
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,840
Because like because we like it happened to us.

690
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,640
Who cares if it happens to the Vikings?

691
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,640
They invaded us.

692
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:56,640
Who cares?

693
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,080
But like because the Battle of Hastings happened to us, we were invaded, we were attacked and

694
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,400
we were the ones that suffered.

695
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,440
Didn't our king get killed at battle?

696
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,240
I can't remember his name now, but yeah, I'm pretty sure he got...

697
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:10,240
Wasn't it King Harold?

698
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,000
No, King Harold, as I said, King Harold was that...

699
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:19,840
No, it was because it was King Harold of Norway fighting with King Harold of England.

700
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:26,960
And then King Harold of England battled the Norman King who was that...

701
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,880
And was shot in the eye, wasn't he?

702
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,120
He was shot in the eye.

703
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,120
Yeah.

704
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,680
So, yeah, but many people just completely overlook the fact that literally, as I said,

705
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:43,840
two weeks before the Battle of Hastings of 1066, there was a Battle of Stamford Bridge,

706
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:50,280
which ended an entire Viking race, shall we say, for lack of a better term.

707
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:56,400
We've all got Viking blood in us now and of course the Norse are still very much a strong

708
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,400
bloodline.

709
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:04,480
So they still exist, but that royalty, that royal line, shall we say, ended just two weeks

710
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,320
before the Battle of Hastings.

711
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,320
That's interesting.

712
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,320
Okay.

713
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,040
Well, I don't want to go too far over, but there's a lot of topics here.

714
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,240
One thing I did want to actually ask you, because I've got answers for these myself.

715
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,560
Yeah, go on.

716
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,680
Who is your favourite ruler in history?

717
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:33,680
Or favourite, I guess if we'll use the term king, emperor, I don't know, emir or whatever

718
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,880
you want to call it, even like if it was a pharaoh, go for a pharaoh, but like who was

719
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,000
your favourite historical ruler?

720
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:46,880
I think my favourite historical ruler, if I was going to go with anyone, once again,

721
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,920
I steep myself in mythology.

722
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:55,160
I do believe there is a lot of truth in mythology and I think if I'm going to go with any ruler

723
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,760
in time, it would be King Arthur.

724
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,760
Well, yeah.

725
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,760
Okay, yeah.

726
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,760
He's a famous one, isn't he?

727
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,760
Yeah.

728
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:09,160
And you know, he was Welsh, Camelot itself, it's that side of the country, isn't it?

729
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,200
Or the islands.

730
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,240
They're very proud of that and rightly so.

731
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,880
Yeah, absolutely.

732
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,040
And I mean, I have no doubt there was truth in that.

733
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,120
I mean, the fact that, I don't know, I know this is like a bit off topic, but you know

734
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:30,560
that Hitler actually started to look for the Holy Grail based on the mythology of King

735
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:37,040
Arthur and his knights, because I think one of his knights, I can't remember his name,

736
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:46,120
I think it might have been Gallahad, he actually looked for the Holy Grail and it said that

737
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:53,640
he found it, looked upon it and turned to stone and died on the spot with a look of

738
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,760
bliss on his face because he'd looked upon the thing he'd sought.

739
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:02,520
And that was something that Hitler used when he was searching for the Holy Grail himself

740
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,400
because he wanted weapons that no one else had.

741
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,480
But that's another topic for another day.

742
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,480
Again, like you hear all sorts of things.

743
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Yeah, absolutely.

744
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,480
You know, there's a...

745
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:18,680
No, no, okay, I've got stuff to talk about on that one, but we'll touch upon that another

746
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:19,680
day.

747
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,000
But King Arthur, to answer your question, King Arthur, I think was absolutely fantastic.

748
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,840
His mythological story has always entranced me ever since I was a child.

749
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:35,380
The whole round table thing where most tables square, the fact that the idea of if you're

750
00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:38,840
one of my knights, if you fight with me, then you are my equal.

751
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,280
So the round table, the fact that he was, you know, like very much a warrior king is

752
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,680
always going to grab your attention growing up.

753
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,400
It's also, it comes from the days of the brigades, doesn't it?

754
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:56,240
The day at the Bloomin that used to rule or like with the tribal force that were on the

755
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,480
islands of the UK before the Romans came.

756
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:07,440
And there was so much mythological like magic, like the druids and things like that as well,

757
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:15,240
which kind of adds that other element of magic, I suppose, for lack of a better term.

758
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,240
Well, absolutely.

759
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:22,560
Mysticism, for lack of, I don't mean to undermine anyone.

760
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,120
If you are listening to this and you are a druid, I don't mean to undermine you here,

761
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:32,640
but also like the idea of mysticism, glamour, any of that lot, kind of really adds to it.

762
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:33,640
Yeah, absolutely.

763
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:34,640
Yeah, yeah, there's so much to it.

764
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:42,400
Anything that is half remembered or forgotten is, always has that element of interest to

765
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,400
it.

766
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,680
It's kind of sad that if you want something to be seen as uncool or if you want people

767
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,120
to lose interest in something, teach it out of school.

768
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,960
You know, again, that's another, I hate to say it, that's another topic for another thing.

769
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,880
And again, I don't mean to insult any educators there, but the moment something is the status

770
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,480
quo or seem to be the status quo.

771
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,240
Yeah, yeah, I think we're going to cover a lot that will make people question what they

772
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,240
grew up learning.

773
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,160
And not necessarily for the wrong reasons.

774
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,440
I think there's nothing wrong with teachers teaching those things that is the way it is.

775
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:27,960
But I mean, you come back to the cancer law where doctors are only allowed to treat what

776
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,840
they're told they can use to treat.

777
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,920
So that in itself is school, isn't it?

778
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,480
You're only allowed to teach what you're told you're allowed to teach, whether you know

779
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,240
something else to be true, whether a circle is a circle, like that is what you're told

780
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,000
to go for, that's what you will teach.

781
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:51,360
Like just as you were a barista and well done for working that up, I spent 12 years on tables,

782
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,080
I got to the barista bit.

783
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Sorry, that's another story for another time.

784
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:04,960
I did work in a school and that is exactly as it is you are told to put elements of yourself.

785
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:11,360
Like you leave quite a lot of yourself at home or you leave quite a lot of it in your

786
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,800
car when you walk into that building.

787
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,080
But like, again, also, there are elements of that, which is fair enough, like you're

788
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,800
not allowed to put your own views on other people.

789
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,680
I completely agree with that.

790
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:31,280
However, the fact that you're not allowed to even admit to certain views or to talk

791
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,240
about certain views is something which...

792
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:44,960
Even if you know there to be more basis for fact in that perspective, you're not allowed

793
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,960
to.

794
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,720
It's not the mainstream view, therefore.

795
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:50,720
You know?

796
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Exactly.

797
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:52,720
Exactly.

798
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:53,720
It's kind of interesting that...

799
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,040
It was weird.

800
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:05,240
I went to this art show about 10 years ago and this woman was like sharing a poem that

801
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,480
she'd written.

802
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:17,920
And like up until the point where she said, I am a strong black woman, I agreed with everything

803
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:18,920
she was saying.

804
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:25,880
And she was talking about how everyone's free to be whoever they are as long as it's not

805
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,700
themselves.

806
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:33,600
And she was kind of talking about how everybody needs to take...

807
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:40,280
Everybody has to give up elements of themselves, of their own culture, or of their own beliefs

808
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,120
in order to partake in society as a whole.

809
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,120
I don't know.

810
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,120
All right.

811
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,120
Sorry.

812
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,000
That's a whole other thing for a whole other time.

813
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,640
No, I completely agree though.

814
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:53,640
I do completely agree.

815
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:59,280
And as I said, that's a subject that we can cover in a later podcast.

816
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,560
I've got a couple of statements which we'll come out with at a later point and discuss

817
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,600
those which kind of summon those up.

818
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,520
Really back quickly, glad to know that your favorite thing is King Arthur.

819
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:19,560
My favorite ruler was the King of Mali back, I think in some time...

820
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:27,400
It was quite early on, but it was like some time between 1200 and 1500.

821
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,080
And the reason why he's my favorite ruler is because...

822
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:36,160
First off, he was a ruler and a philosopher.

823
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,440
So like either he paid a load of poets to come out with some really good shit that is

824
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:47,600
still being peddled today, or he genuinely did write some really good stuff.

825
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,920
Like just some really basic advice, like the most valuable thing you can give someone is

826
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,160
their time, or sorry, is your time and attention.

827
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,040
He wrote a load of really good stuff.

828
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:05,080
What I love about him as well is he was the richest man in the world at the time, to the

829
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:13,600
point where his net worth was way beyond Bezos, way beyond anything we've got today.

830
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:24,640
And it's to the point where he was a devout Muslim, he went on a pilgrimage and took God

831
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,640
knows how many servants with him.

832
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,640
But this is the thing that I like.

833
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:37,040
He was a devout Muslim and he gave money to the poor wherever he went.

834
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:45,880
However, because he was incredibly wealthy and didn't necessarily know what was an appropriate

835
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:54,500
amount to give or what would give the local economy a boost, he actually caused every

836
01:03:54,500 --> 01:04:03,520
town that he went through to have an economic collapse because he'd give them so much gold.

837
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,440
He gave them so much gold, gold became worthless.

838
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,560
At that point, money became worthless.

839
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,280
Because scarcity creates value, doesn't it?

840
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:13,280
Exactly.

841
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,280
Exactly.

842
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:20,840
And I know it's such a cruel and horrible thing, but what I like about that is that

843
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:27,880
throughout history, you get people who cause disasters because they're seeking power, because

844
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,920
they're seeking control, because they're seeking dominance.

845
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,480
Whereas he caused disasters because he was being generous and kind.

846
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,480
Yes, exactly.

847
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,480
Exactly that.

848
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,480
Exactly that.

849
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,480
And it's just...

850
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,480
Oh, you've got to love it.

851
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,480
Yes, and that's why he's one of...

852
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:46,480
That's why he's...

853
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:47,480
It's just the irony.

854
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,480
But I was trying to help.

855
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:50,480
Exactly.

856
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,480
Exactly.

857
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:52,480
Like he just...

858
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,480
Yeah.

859
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:54,480
Yeah.

860
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,120
Don't you know how the economy works, man?

861
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:00,560
The annoying thing is he...

862
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,200
He obviously did because he was incredibly rich.

863
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,200
Exactly.

864
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,200
Exactly.

865
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,200
But it's just like...

866
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,720
Maybe that was his ploy.

867
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:09,720
Maybe that was his ploy.

868
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,880
Well, I'm really hoping it's not.

869
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,360
Because it's just like...

870
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:22,040
In which case then, I think it might be one of the first successful en masse things of...

871
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:27,400
En masse examples of financial warfare and using money as a weapon.

872
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:28,720
I don't think it was though.

873
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:29,720
I think it genuinely was.

874
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:30,720
I think it was just naivety.

875
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,720
A little bit of naivety, yeah.

876
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:32,720
Yeah, exactly.

877
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,320
A man who's absolutely plastered in gold more than Mr. T.

878
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,320
Incredible.

879
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,320
Yeah, incredible.

880
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,920
Not realizing that giving someone one of his gold chains is going to destroy the power

881
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,840
structure within that community.

882
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,000
Absolutely amazing.

883
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,840
It's also the fact that this was a long-term effect.

884
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:59,280
The value of gold did not return in Cairo until several hundred years after it had been

885
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,280
there.

886
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,280
Yeah.

887
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,560
So that gives you an idea of how much he must have given away.

888
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,720
It makes me wonder, did people have a golden spoon?

889
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,040
Did everyone in the villages where he went through have golden spoons because they'd

890
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,680
melted it down to try and just make it use it as stuff?

891
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:17,680
But anyway, sorry.

892
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:18,680
He's my favorite.

893
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,320
He was an amazing person.

894
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:32,440
Just the fact that outside of stories of saints or like almost godly warriors just having

895
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:39,800
a bloke who tried to do their best and it went tits up, I kind of can relate to that.

896
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,760
Not that I'm a rich man and not that I'm nearly good enough, not that I give to charity nearly

897
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,560
as much as that, but just the story.

898
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,080
I just I see it's a good story.

899
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:55,080
Yeah, absolutely.

900
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,360
So I think I want to, obviously we're going to round off a little bit.

901
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:04,600
I just want to finish off with one more thing that I had, which I wanted to just go over

902
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:17,120
the top three and this is the top three, the top three mad kings or queens, the top three

903
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:23,880
kings because they are kings or leaders, shall we say, male leaders of history.

904
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:29,280
OK, so the top three most.

905
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,480
Are we talking about like insane?

906
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,880
And are we talking about insane, insane decisions or terrible?

907
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,160
OK, just terrible people.

908
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:45,720
So third on the list, which I thought was quite interesting that he stood out third

909
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:54,120
given who he is, was Ivan the Terrible Ivan IV of Russia.

910
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,160
He's got literally the title The Terrible.

911
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,480
He yeah, I mean, he was a terrible, terrible person.

912
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,560
As in like it says here, his main fault was his unstable temperament, which manifested

913
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,360
itself in bouts of rage and cruelty.

914
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:14,600
And he would he accidentally killed his own son by hitting him over the head with appointed

915
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:19,800
staff because that was going to go well.

916
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,200
Anybody that opposed him, he would kill instantly.

917
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:29,880
And eventually.

918
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,880
Yeah, I think that literally.

919
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:37,200
Yeah, that brings to light kind of the things you were saying earlier about if you lift

920
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:42,120
someone up all of their life, yeah, and they're going to go wrong.

921
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:43,120
Yeah.

922
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,560
And he was, as I said, as the name implies, he was terrible.

923
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,800
People genuinely didn't lead.

924
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:50,800
He didn't lead with love.

925
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:56,360
He led with fear and people were terrified of that bloke, genuinely terrified.

926
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:57,560
You hear the king is coming.

927
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:58,560
It's not all great.

928
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,720
Maybe we can get stuff done.

929
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:00,720
It's a oh shit.

930
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,720
I'd everyone hide.

931
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:03,720
Yeah.

932
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,000
So second on the list is actually two leaders.

933
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:12,920
But because they're so closely related, I thought I would put them into one and related

934
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,600
as in one is the son of the other.

935
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,640
However, they were rulers of different countries.

936
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:26,720
So you had Charles, Charles, the sixth of France, who was known as the beloved.

937
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:33,080
However, at the age of 32, he started to suffer bouts of insanity where he killed four of

938
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:39,080
his own knights and attacked his brother and then would have continual bouts of insanity

939
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:44,040
going forwards, which would lead to him having numerous outbursts and killing other people

940
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,040
and became known as the Mad King.

941
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:55,560
And this, they believe, was due to as is rife within royal bloodlines, it was due to incestuous

942
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:56,560
incestuous.

943
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:02,040
I was wondering if we were going to if we were going to touch upon that because I know

944
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:10,920
the most inbred person in history was I think it might have been Charles, the second of

945
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,060
Spain.

946
01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:21,720
He was the last of the Hamburg line who had been marrying cousins to cousins, aunts to

947
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,920
nieces, uncles to nephews.

948
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,600
And they've been doing that all the time.

949
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:37,280
When they looked back at his disguise, family tree, like they realized that his own family.

950
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,480
Well, that's exactly it.

951
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:48,240
He is in fact more more inbred than somebody who had than a brother and a sister.

952
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,400
Yeah, a brother and a sister had.

953
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,560
I don't even know how that's that's possible to get more inbred than that.

954
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,560
But I guess it's generational.

955
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:02,880
I mean, if you look at there's a there's a I think it's called charts or useful charts

956
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:09,880
or something, there's a website somewhere where they actually have done the the the

957
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:16,880
kings and queens of the UK or Britain since Anglo-Saxon since Charlemagne, I believe it

958
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,880
was.

959
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,720
And it goes like, oh, there's this line that carries on.

960
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,120
And then this person has a son.

961
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,160
And then then like down the line, you're like, oh, but then they married that person who

962
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:31,480
was actually the granddaughter of this person back here and was connected to this person

963
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:34,240
by four different bloodlines.

964
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:39,680
But another interesting fact, of course, is the fact that, you know, your your niece or

965
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,600
your nephew, you share 25 percent of their DNA.

966
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:50,440
Yeah, you share 25 percent of your core DNA, which is why people are like, oh, what about

967
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:55,500
like cousins and second cousins between you and your second cousin?

968
01:11:55,500 --> 01:12:00,500
You share less than one percent of your DNA.

969
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:07,120
So it's not very distant that it has to go before you're then safe, like biologically

970
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:19,000
to like to like to breed, shall we say, and not have that risk of insanity of insanity

971
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,780
through through being inbred.

972
01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:24,520
So yeah, you just have to look at like general maths, I suppose.

973
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:30,960
It's quite obvious that if you're that closely related to to your, I suppose, spouse in some

974
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,560
ways, then you're going to you're going to cause problems because you're not actually

975
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:40,040
bringing enough diversity into your DNA, which now we know is a massive thing.

976
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,040
But obviously, back then, they didn't.

977
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,640
They just they just wanted to keep the bloodline pure.

978
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,720
They wanted to keep the wealth within a single household.

979
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,920
It's human nature, isn't it?

980
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:50,920
It's human nature.

981
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:57,000
It's quite big in all cultures, I think, is keeping money where money is and power where

982
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,000
power is.

983
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,000
But anyway, Charles the Sixth actually had a son.

984
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,640
His name was Henry the Sixth.

985
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:09,320
And Henry the Sixth was actually the leader in the War of the Roses.

986
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,600
And I'm sure you know about the War of the Roses.

987
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:17,000
It was one of the bloodiest times in English England's history.

988
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:23,400
And he also was quite an insane king due to his father's incestuous behavior and his

989
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:24,400
intern.

990
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:32,200
But I'll move on to the most insane ruler of all time.

991
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,360
Number one on the list is I take some guesses.

992
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,360
You go on.

993
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,360
Go on.

994
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:38,360
You can have it.

995
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:39,360
You can have it.

996
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:40,800
I've now I've now I've now said it.

997
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:41,800
So I'll.

998
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:49,120
King Xerxes.

999
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,720
Xerxes, no.

1000
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:51,720
Of Greece.

1001
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:52,720
No.

1002
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:53,720
OK.

1003
01:13:53,720 --> 01:14:02,160
I can think of a lot of bad kings, but I can't actually.

1004
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,960
Well, let's not say king.

1005
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:04,960
OK.

1006
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,560
Was it Vlad the Impaler?

1007
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:07,560
No.

1008
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,560
Terrible.

1009
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:09,560
Terrible.

1010
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:10,880
But no, not him.

1011
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,440
This is someone that I think quite possibly is I mean, I've read quite a lot about this

1012
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:23,160
bloke over time and genuinely deserves to be number one on this list.

1013
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,160
Right.

1014
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,160
OK.

1015
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,160
It wasn't.

1016
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:32,840
What was the last King of France's name?

1017
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,920
No, it wasn't the King of France.

1018
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:35,920
It wasn't King Louis.

1019
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:36,920
Was it Louis?

1020
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:37,920
No, it wasn't King Louis.

1021
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:38,920
No.

1022
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:39,920
All right.

1023
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,920
So who was going to give up?

1024
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:41,920
Who was it?

1025
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,920
It was the Emperor Caligula.

1026
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,280
Yes.

1027
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:54,480
So Caligula was so insane, he used to kill men for sport, just for fun.

1028
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:58,440
He would have intercourse with his own sisters.

1029
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:02,740
He was demanding people to worship him as a god.

1030
01:15:02,740 --> 01:15:07,800
And he absolutely plummeted his own empire into financial crisis.

1031
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,880
Our bloke was insane.

1032
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,880
And eventually he was assassinated.

1033
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:17,800
So he got what was coming to him, I suppose.

1034
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:18,800
Good old Joffrey.

1035
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:19,800
Yeah, absolutely.

1036
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:26,320
Sorry, I've held back on those throughout this whole conversation.

1037
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,320
You know, I don't want to.

1038
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,800
I do want this to genuinely be about facts rather than about fiction.

1039
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,040
But it's just like, yeah, there's only so far you can push people.

1040
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,040
Yeah.

1041
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,960
And I think there are a lot of good rulers get killed because people disagree with them.

1042
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:46,520
Like, you know, how much of a dick do you have to be before people who were for you

1043
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:47,520
are against you?

1044
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,520
Yeah.

1045
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:55,320
I mean, he wasn't necessarily a ruler, but he was certainly a leader of a man.

1046
01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:01,840
But Martin Luther King, of course, one of the most prolific assassinations.

1047
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:07,040
As I said, he was a full title is Dr. Reverend.

1048
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,840
Yeah, like he was a doctor.

1049
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,720
Was it English literature?

1050
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,040
He had a doctorate.

1051
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,800
He was a practicing minister.

1052
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,760
Like yeah, like he did some amazing stuff.

1053
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,800
And he.

1054
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:30,400
Yeah, he got killed because of institutional racism.

1055
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,320
Justifying people thinking that they're better than other people.

1056
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,720
Yeah, absolutely.

1057
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,520
And final point, I just want to go over this as the final point.

1058
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,040
This is the last thing that we'll be saying on this podcast.

1059
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:49,920
But do you know what the rule of the rule of separation by seven is?

1060
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,680
Isn't that you?

1061
01:16:51,680 --> 01:17:00,000
You in fact are connected to everyone else in the world by seven degrees of separation.

1062
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,000
Yeah.

1063
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,920
So there's always I'm going to I'm sorry, I'm going to count with my fingers here.

1064
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,280
You know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone

1065
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,560
who knows someone who knows someone.

1066
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:18,720
And through that connection, you are connected to everyone else, everyone else in the world,

1067
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:23,960
which is crazy when you think about it, because it means that if you rob someone like especially

1068
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:30,880
if you're in your local area, it's going to be what like three or four.

1069
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:31,880
You know what I mean?

1070
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,640
It's not going to go all the way to seven.

1071
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:34,640
Exactly that.

1072
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:35,640
Exactly that.

1073
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,360
And the main thing there, of course, is you might be quite a recluse and only know two

1074
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,360
or three people.

1075
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:44,800
But within three or four separations, you'll reach what we call a hyper social point where

1076
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,400
somebody knows a lot of people.

1077
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:48,880
And that's where it goes massive.

1078
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:54,320
You know, but the main reason why I bring up the degrees of separation is because your

1079
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:59,560
family tree, if you go backwards through your family tree, you go to your you have your

1080
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:00,560
mom and dad.

1081
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,320
So there's one goes into two.

1082
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,320
Yeah.

1083
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,560
And then mom and dad have mom and dad.

1084
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,280
So then two goes into four.

1085
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:07,320
Yeah.

1086
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:08,320
And so on and so forth.

1087
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:13,040
It's exponential and it genuinely does escalate like very quickly.

1088
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:18,600
You know, so the reason I'm saying this is because if you trace your own genetics and

1089
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,560
it's the same with myself and it's the same with nearly everybody, I would say, as a matter

1090
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,520
of fact, I would say hands down, everybody in the UK, if you trace your heritage all

1091
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:37,040
the way back, you are connected to Charlemagne, which means in turn you are royalty.

1092
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,040
I see what you mean.

1093
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,040
Yeah.

1094
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,760
So where does royalty come from?

1095
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,080
Royalty is you.

1096
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,560
And I think a lot more people in the world would do well to think of themselves in a

1097
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,920
better light.

1098
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,400
I can't argue with that point.

1099
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,800
That's a very, that's a very positive point and a good thing to end on.

1100
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,680
Well, thank you very much, all of you for listening.

1101
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:06,840
And until next time, goodbye from me.

1102
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:07,840
And goodbye from me.

1103
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:37,600
Take care, guys.