1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,640 Hi, Nick here from Pods with Nick and James. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,200 Just a quick one before we get into this podcast. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:12,000 I want to say a massive thank you for the support that we've received since starting these podcasts. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,240 We thoroughly enjoy it and we look forward to creating more. 5 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:22,960 If you want to have your say on any topics that we've discussed or suggest future topics, 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:30,400 then you can do so at www.reddit.com slash r slash nickandjamespods. 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,200 And if you want to support us you can do so for from as little as one pound a month 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,560 and you can do that at www.patreon.com slash podswithnickandjames. 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:55,600 Anyway, back to the podcast. 10 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,640 Hello and welcome back to Pods with Nick and James. 11 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,040 My name's Nick and this is James. 12 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,560 Hi there. 13 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,600 Today we're going to discuss why Donald Trump. 14 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Now I posed a question like that because round two of the American presidential elections 15 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:34,640 has, I say round two, it's like his round two of his re-election process 16 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:47,920 and voila he won. So up against Kamala Harris who took over from the sickening Joe Biden 17 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:55,120 who was unable to continue his presidential campaign due to degradation of health, 18 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:02,960 I suppose you could say. So Kamala Harris being the first, the vice president, wasn't she? 19 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:12,160 She stood in place of Joe Biden and Trump trumped her. 20 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:20,880 Yep. Unfortunate play on words but it is entirely, yeah that is a thing. 21 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:28,720 I mean let's just go back to Trump v1 and 22 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,640 he got impeached didn't he? 23 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:44,640 So you can argue that the political landscape has somewhat changed since his election in 2016 24 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:53,840 but you are right he got impeached. There was mention about, what's the right word here? 25 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:07,840 Yeah there was talk of espionage and stuff like that and of if I'm honest with you just crime. 26 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Yeah. 27 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Just genuine crime. It's as if Tony Blair after stepping down due to war crimes and then as if he 28 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:32,400 then tried to walk back into Downing Street again. Well he doesn't have to because he's 29 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:38,720 knighted because he's in the House of Lords interestingly as a warlord I feel that 30 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:46,000 yeah with war being the specialty that he is the lord of which there is some irony there. 31 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:57,280 But yeah it's weird. I tell you what Nick, I'm afraid I am somewhat ignorant of this. 32 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:05,200 Why was Trump impeached towards the end of his presidency? 33 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:16,400 So if you listen to Trump he was impeached because the, what's the word for it? The 34 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:24,400 Senate? Is it the Senate? What's the bleeding word for it? Like the Council of the House of Lords 35 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:31,600 but American? That is the Senate. Okay. They turned against him. They didn't like him being 36 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:39,920 there anymore. Apparently he spoke too freely and they found it a threat to their. 37 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Ironical rule. 38 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:56,240 Yeah however his impeachment came under allegations of abuse of power, obstruction of Congress and 39 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,920 incitement of insurrection. Congress that's it not not not Senate. 40 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,480 Yeah Congress. I knew it wasn't the right word yeah but. 41 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:07,600 Well thank you for letting me possibly get away with that but just so that our listeners, 42 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,560 well just so I'm being honest with our listeners, Congress not Senate. 43 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,280 I literally went into Star Wars for a minute. I was like this can't be right. I'm like I'm on 44 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,640 all around at the moment. This isn't this isn't this isn't correct. 45 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,440 I totally understand. 46 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:27,120 Yeah so there was enough evidence according to Congress because it is like the court of 47 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Congress isn't it? That the impeachment goes to. I use the term in like court of Congress 48 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,600 very loosely. I don't mean that there's literally a court of Congress. I mean it's basically tried 49 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:47,760 by Congress isn't he? And there's a jury in a high judge, high court judge. 50 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:57,360 But essentially yeah there was a he said he said that Trump pressured Ukraine's president to 51 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:08,720 investigate Joe Biden in exchange for military aid and he was also accused of encouraging the 52 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:14,400 2021 January 6th Capitol attack aimed at overturning the 2020 election results. 53 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:18,560 Pretty big. 54 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,000 Yeah I mean he was acquitted both times. 55 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,280 But the fact. 56 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:31,120 Now that does that does mean something to me because I will admit there is this culture 57 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:39,600 that we're in now where people are still very much seen as guilty after they've been proved 58 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:47,040 innocent. Which I get to a point you don't want to just be ignoring the fact that somebody has been 59 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:52,560 accused of something at some point. But I also don't think it's quite as 60 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,640 I don't think it's quite as black and white as things end up becoming either you know. 61 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,920 Well I don't think you get to the point where you have the wealth and power that Trump has 62 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:13,200 outside of his presidential powers without having the ability to pull some backhanded 63 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,160 under the table deals. I mean. 64 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Understandable. 65 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:30,480 Trump's uncle worked for the American government when and I bring this point up because 66 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:41,440 it was relative to a Nikola Tesla. So John Trump he was a renowned electrical engineer and physicist. 67 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,000 He worked at MIT and was involved in radar technology and high voltage research. 68 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,840 He was tasked by the US government to review Tesla's personal papers after Tesla's death. 69 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:59,760 And he then concluded that Tesla's papers contained no significant revolutionary technology 70 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,560 that could be used for weapons and or other advanced applications. 71 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:13,440 And completely they like boxed the entire lot of Nikola Tesla's work up and then hit it 72 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:21,040 from that point on. So he had a massive hand in the like. 73 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,000 The downfall. 74 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:29,120 In the silent well not necessarily the downfall but he I said this in the Tesla podcast like the 75 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Trump family had like hands on they were the last people to have hands on Tesla's 76 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:46,160 research and shock horror it's never seen the light of day. Nobody's seen it since. 77 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:47,840 So. 78 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,320 Okay it was not aware of was not aware of that. 79 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:56,960 Yeah. 80 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:04,080 You know obviously Trump's money has come through real estate and like development. 81 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:13,040 However he did inherit a lot of his fortune from his father. 82 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:15,120 Yeah. 83 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Fred Trump and he it's said that he swindled 84 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:30,400 his siblings out of their share the majority share of their inheritance from his dad. 85 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,600 His brother is an alcoholic. 86 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,120 He died an alcoholic yeah. 87 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,720 Yeah but like there were and there are numerous like from I've been reading a particular book. 88 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,160 Let me pull it up here this is kind of frustrating. 89 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,000 This is kind of frustrating. 90 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,800 I'm reading confidence man. 91 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,600 Yeah. 92 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:03,440 By Maggie Haberman and I will be honest with you like I went with this. 93 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:11,280 I went with this book because I started reading another one which was pure just vitriolic 94 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:23,680 brown nosing but this particular confidence man is well researched but it paints a incredibly 95 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:36,640 negative view of Trump's personality and kind of goes into every single bit of dirt on that family 96 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:44,880 on that family at all and it's I don't know it almost the annoying thing is it does seem 97 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,320 to be well researched it does seem like a lot of it's true but it goes so completely 98 00:10:52,240 --> 00:11:00,720 in that direction that it almost has me wanting to stand up for this horrible person simply because 99 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:09,360 it goes that far and it does talk about yeah Fred Trump being an incredibly kind of absent 100 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:22,800 or and kind of a very particularly cold type of father and it's a lot of it does seem more like 101 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,440 almost character assassination more than anything else. 102 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Well like you live what you learn you learn what you live and Fred was of the generation that were 103 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,360 incredibly racist. 104 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,560 Yes there were there were court stuff. 105 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:45,360 Yeah there was. 106 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,960 That is something that goes into it like. 107 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:54,800 There was an out of court settlement or discrimination against black applicants for housing in. 108 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:54,880 Yeah. 109 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:04,480 1973 and there was admission of guilt from both Fred and Donald's side. 110 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:10,560 That's interesting because the way that they talk about it in later interviews is that 111 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,400 there wasn't an admission of guilt per se. 112 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,680 Sorry no it says it's settled without an admission of guilt but including agreement to change rental 113 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:26,000 practices. Yeah they changed it but they didn't have to say that what they were doing was wrong 114 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,800 which in itself is a little bit of a problem as well. 115 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,000 Oh I mean you don't have to say it to actually see it you know. 116 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:39,360 I mean the fact they had to change their rental practices in itself showed that they were obviously 117 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:47,200 discriminatory and weren't with the times. I mean you can see in the way that some of like Trump's 118 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:58,560 like Donald's communications with the public there's a very outdated sense of freedom of speech. 119 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:09,840 He has why he has had quite chauvinistic comments at times very outdated religious views 120 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,360 and very outdated racial views at times. 121 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:24,560 But I think what what what kind of really shone to a lot of Americans was that he 122 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:32,000 remained very clear and very true to what he said he was going to do and what he did. 123 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:42,160 So yes he had some very strong opinions and very strong views 124 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,640 but he said he was going to build a wall so and he fully intended to build the wall. 125 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:53,840 And yeah okay the the worksmanship probably isn't to the level of his work the worksmanship he put 126 00:13:53,840 --> 00:14:03,520 into his towers in New York but he'd certainly set about building a wall. So I think when it comes 127 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:11,360 to the re-election a lot of people looked at that and went well what you see is what you get. Yes 128 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,160 he can say the wrong thing at times but he also did everything that he said he was going to do. 129 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,480 He was going to do everything that he said he was going to do. He was going to do everything that he 130 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:26,720 said he was going to do. With most politicians that's not what you get. 131 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,920 That's interesting that's because I've never heard like to be fair you don't hear him talked 132 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:42,640 about positively so that's interesting that like okay just to get this clear putting a wall on a 133 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:49,280 border is not going to stop immigration as most people arrive in the United States in planes. 134 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:55,440 Which is something that's covered in Adam Ruins Everything a dropout tv 135 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,400 production so just points to that particular broadcaster there. But 136 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,120 yeah okay you know what he said he was going to do something moronic and then he did something 137 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,560 moronic but he at least he bothered to do it and I hate to admit that that does actually mean 138 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:21,440 something. Yeah and that's something that I think a lot of people will see as well and he also 139 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:38,160 is very loyal to the code of America should we say like the constitution he wants to uphold and 140 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:46,240 maintain the patriotic constitution of America you know. I mean that's a that you're going to get 141 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:56,560 good yeah in America at least you're going to get votes for that with that. He doesn't seek to 142 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:06,320 reform it he wants it to be as good as it can be he firmly believes that the constitution was good 143 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,520 enough when it was made and it's good enough now like let's bring it back to its fullest strength 144 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,960 and actually make it exactly what it can be instead of all the things that have been 145 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,840 like all the things that have been tweaked and changed because like everybody's scared of 146 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,320 everybody else essentially. The one thing that you cannot tell me that Donald Trump is 147 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,160 he's afraid of what people are going to think of him. 148 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:40,000 No although he does know he's a very good public speaker and he does respond to the crowd well. 149 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,920 He's a showman. I mean he is a showman and he knows how to work a room. 150 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:51,040 Yep. Yep. You know like he's a businessman and I think that's another thing that kind of ends up 151 00:16:51,040 --> 00:17:02,960 swinging in his favour because he will run America like a business. He's a very successful businessman. 152 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,280 The trade deals that he was working on 153 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:20,560 were very strong in the viewpoint of America. There was less of this whole bending over backwards 154 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:27,040 to accommodate China or bending over backwards to accommodate Russia. It was we know we give as much 155 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:35,600 as we take and it'll work for us. It's our trade deal. We'll make it work for us and that mentality 156 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,840 from like they weren't dealing with a politician anymore these leaders. They were dealing with a 157 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:52,720 very astute businessman and he got what he wanted and Americans saw that too. 158 00:17:54,320 --> 00:18:02,080 Yeah and like that is something that I will admit is covered in some of his speeches. I've seen 159 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,920 some of his speeches. I watched some footage. I didn't watch a whole rally. I watched some footage 160 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:15,600 from a couple of rallies and that's something that he does talk about how the world's laughing 161 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:25,520 at the West and how the deals don't work for. Yeah he talked about how we're not sorry not we. 162 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:35,200 He used the term we. America isn't making good deals and it's not benefiting its citizens 163 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:41,440 anymore and that kind of talk is it's really easy to get behind it or to be drawn into it you know. 164 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:50,160 Yeah. Yeah I mean he's not wrong. I 165 00:18:53,520 --> 00:19:00,640 I think you need somebody sometimes that will run the country like a business especially when your 166 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:11,600 country is in the sorry financial state that it is and I think his re-election has come at a great 167 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:17,040 time for America. I think it's come at a very terrifying time for everyone else in the world. 168 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:24,320 I was glad that Syria is no longer at war. That's something 169 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,360 that's happening but to be fair the fact that I didn't even know it was in the first place 170 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:38,880 is a bad is bad. Syria has been at war for decades. Yeah Syria was one of the last 171 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:50,800 free state nations where they would like basically pay you to set up a farm. They'd give you the land. 172 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:57,680 They'd pay for your equipment. They'd set you up a farm in order to encourage the growth of their 173 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:09,360 own economy and the West went in and changed all of that. Classic. Now they are 174 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:18,240 just like everyone else accumulating debt. More and more debt everywhere they go. 175 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,240 But that's a completely different podcast so let's try to focus on Donald Trump. 176 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,560 Okay well one of the things that so some people don't understand how Donald Trump has gotten in 177 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:37,680 at all. One point that I did find is okay so part of it is his championing of the coal industry. 178 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:44,880 Now any environmentalist and any everybody knows that coal is nowadays a bad idea. 179 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:51,040 It's a very dark fuel. It's a very dirty fuel. It's a yeah it's not a clean and good way of 180 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,840 producing energy and you can argue that other ways aren't that much better. I'm not going to 181 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:04,080 say that every other way or any other way is perfect but it's it's it's out don't it's 182 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:10,400 unfortunately it is somewhat outdated. There's there are better technologies out there and 183 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:16,080 I think anyone can kind of. Donald Trump knows better than anyone that there is better 184 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:23,040 there is better technologies out there. Yeah but this is the thing he's sat on Tesla's own research. 185 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:31,680 Well says it says it all but um. He knows what he's got under his he knows what he's hiding 186 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880 and he knows that he's hiding it in order to make money. 187 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:44,800 Oh absolutely but I guess in okay so uh West Virginia so do your best to keep country roads 188 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,960 out of your head. He went straight in there man sorry. 189 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Yeah yeah yeah that's it me too mate me too that's why I said that um but like uh in Logan 190 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:07,040 Virginia there were 50 years ago there were um hundreds or sorry over a hundred coal mines in 191 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:14,000 that county alone. Now although they're going to that they're going to have consolidated and become 192 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:22,080 bigger businesses. Yeah. There's now four or in 2016 there was four and there's this mass 193 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:29,040 migration out and there's loads hundreds of properties throughout this throughout this 194 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,960 state where entire families have just had to move off without selling the property to anyone 195 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:42,560 and it's become derelict. You have streets and streets of like almost ghost towns because 196 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:51,520 the local populace were so reliant on coal mining that they were able to get out of the 197 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:57,760 coal mining that when when new legislation comes in place which makes life harder for these people 198 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,520 it destroys communities. Yeah. 199 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:10,240 And it's interesting that Trump's got such a stranglehold on um on Logan and on 200 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:20,960 Virginia as a whole because you know what like um those communities have suffered. 201 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:27,040 I hate to say it it's kind of the sort of necessary suffering that comes with change 202 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,840 but it's not easy for them at all and it doesn't surprise me that they 203 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:42,400 support Trump because he talks about making it at least sustainable for a time so that they 204 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:51,280 don't immediately lose their jobs. You see I absolutely want the world to change over to a 205 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:59,440 very clean way of living. Yeah. I want I want uh like cheaper energy more renewable energy 206 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:07,120 um and I want like the movement away from oil fuels fossil fuels. However 207 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:15,440 I'm also not naive and I know there's a whole lot of money in fossil fuel. 208 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,840 So do you cut your nose off to spite your face? Yeah. 209 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,640 If you if your economy is crippling in the way that America's is 210 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:36,400 do you cut your nose off to spite your face when you've got states like the Arab countries 211 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:44,400 the Arabic states who are some of the richest in the world because of the 212 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:53,600 the liquid gold because of the fossil fuels. Um if you have the ability to make the money off of 213 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:03,280 the fossil fuels and they're going to be they're going to be sold if you if you mine it they will 214 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,920 buy it and you can make money from it why wouldn't you? 215 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,160 Yeah. It might not be what everybody wants 216 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,360 but it's like we're still living in that world where you can sell it 217 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,920 and it can still fetch a lot of money why wouldn't you? 218 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,840 Yeah that's it. It'd be really stupid of you not to and shutting down all the coal mines because 219 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,160 you're moving away from it because like we're trying to be a greener and more like more like 220 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:42,880 but yeah we're trying we're trying okay um but we're not succeeding not by any means and uh 221 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,440 people are still buying coal why have you stopped mining it? 222 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:59,680 Well this is the thing it's cutting it down and it is over a 50 year period like I will admit 223 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,760 that as I was even watching this thing I did feel bad for the Gart for the Bina 224 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:14,880 but part of me was like well I've had to change my profession numerous times in the past 15 years 225 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,560 like what why are you still trying to do this like why I I realized that people want to live 226 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,960 where they've always lived that people want the not necessarily the best stuff but they want basic 227 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:38,080 dignity they want affluence they want what they believe to be success I get that but we all do 228 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:45,360 need to be able to change as well you know yeah like even through the course of my lifetime what 229 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:54,800 is acceptable has changed massively but also so has markets so as every like everything's changing 230 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:01,680 all the time we all need to adapt or if we're doing something wrong then to stop doing it that way 231 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:09,520 yeah I get it but is that there's also the chance that you move too fast ahead of everyone else 232 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,920 yeah and 233 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,440 you end up 234 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:23,440 like China has entire cities that they built because they expected a massive population boom 235 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:32,400 they had like a hundred people move in and nobody else came 236 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:42,400 entire cities that have no population because they expected the population to move too fast 237 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:49,040 because they expected the population to boom and they expected to be able to move people 238 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,760 into these cities and nobody came yeah 239 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:06,640 like you sometimes you over anticipate maybe that's what maybe that's what Trump's kind of 240 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:13,280 getting to but you're over anticipating how fast we're going to be moving towards greener energy 241 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:22,480 there's still the need for fossil fuels right now so we're going to make money yeah 242 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,640 maybe that's the way he's thinking I don't know I certainly don't want to work out his brain that's 243 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:35,920 certainly not where I'm going with it but it's definitely a thought process that he might have 244 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:43,360 had I doubt very much he would have thought very much too much about greener energy but as a 245 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,840 businessman he certainly will be looking at money that's sat in the ground that's not being utilized 246 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,520 so you it makes sense it does make sense it's just not a very it's not very 247 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:02,400 21st century thinking which I think is a lot of where Trump goes wrong and I don't mean goes 248 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:10,320 wrong in a in a bad way I mean that's like as far as like sociological norms goes wrong like he 249 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:17,440 always appears to say the things that are a little bit outdated makes a comment about grabbing a 250 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:25,440 woman with a pussy you know and um like making comments about immigration in the way that he 251 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:33,920 did about getting the Mexicans to pay for the wall that he's going to build um like it's very last 252 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:44,000 generation but I don't know there's there's definitely uh there's definitely a an ear for 253 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:56,320 it in America yeah yeah that's true the question is how does Donald Trump being elected affect 254 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,520 well us as English and other nations how how is it going to affect that 255 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,400 well I hopefully it won't I don't think 256 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:20,240 uh it I mean he's one thing that one thing I like about Trump is that he has 257 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:32,240 even from his early speeches um acted as though America shouldn't be involved with 258 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:39,440 so I guess I guess one of the things that I like about Trump is that from his speeches his foreign 259 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:50,160 policy would appears to be um a lot more hands off than like President Bush for example low bar I 260 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:58,480 know but like you know what I mean like yeah at least Trump is a little bit more of a 261 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:05,120 you know what I mean like yeah at least Trump his internal policies of immigration are horrible 262 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:12,560 however having having the American president saying I don't know what we're doing in this foreign 263 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:20,800 country well either he hasn't read his thing has doesn't have his facts or it's just an omission 264 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:29,280 of we shouldn't be trying to control and police the world or we shouldn't be trying to manipulate 265 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:38,960 the world into giving us a better deal or using you know force like I kind of I can kind of get 266 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:46,080 it's probably just the the white British guilt talking here but I can get behind that 267 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,800 yeah I think you've got to see it from the perspective that if you can't if you're fighting 268 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:58,960 someone you can't sell them stuff at the same time yeah and like he is a businessman so of 269 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,000 course he's gonna well I say of course like it makes sense that he would want to step back from 270 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:16,560 war and and domination and instead spuck up like trade treaties instead yeah 271 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,040 yeah well it just it's 272 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,920 I think okay so the way at the beginning of this podcast you said why Donald Trump 273 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,080 and I guess it's because people sometimes people are kind of just sick of 274 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,880 anything that looks like a politician so like they'll go with Trump they'll go with Boris 275 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:53,520 Johnson they'll go with anything that looks like where it's foolishness mask or fake foolishness 276 00:32:53,520 --> 00:33:04,400 masquerading as honesty you know yeah it's it's interesting that that's that that's a thing and 277 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:13,360 that's what works now but it does seem to be that that is what works I don't know it's it's 278 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,160 interesting I do think 279 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:28,320 I do think who did Trump win again oh wait it was Hillary yeah I just find it yeah so it was 280 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:36,720 Hillary and then it does seem weird that on both occasions he's won against those candidates when 281 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,560 they do seem like it I mean the Clinton administration wasn't perfect and Clinton 282 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,200 isn't perfect but at least Hillary has 283 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:56,320 has in more recent terms taken a left-wing stand on things so people know what she 284 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:05,760 does endorse when it comes to personal freedoms like it does surprise me I'm in both cases I'm 285 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:12,480 surprised that Trump won I don't know what are what are your thoughts like do you feel that just 286 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:20,240 people are so ridiculously bigoted that they'd rather have Donald Trump than a female candidate 287 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:28,560 or no I think like if you I these are what I did was I got a list of all of the elections going 288 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:41,120 back like to 1990 or 1992 and because what I what I tried to see was like the winners 289 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:52,960 who were they really up against because like Tamala Harris wasn't a strong opponent 290 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,240 yeah what did she what did she stand for I will admit I don't know enough about her policies 291 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:07,840 or her political history she wanted to carry on the Democratic rule that Biden had taken up 292 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:15,440 and the reason they didn't like it was because they were like the American voters were concerned 293 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:22,160 more about the economic stability and like the financial security of the country 294 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,720 security of the country and they felt like the Democrats had put them in the position they were 295 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:34,080 in much the same as we did with the conservatives we felt like the conservatives had shipped us down 296 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,760 the river and like completely left us up shit creek without a paddle as it were pardon the language 297 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:49,520 um yeah and there was a few like almost like woke culture-esque kind of um views that was 298 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:58,080 the shared and wanted to there's a there's a want and desire to um like embrace that culture that 299 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:05,360 I don't think America's ready for uh as a general as a general public um which kind of fought against 300 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:12,560 her a little bit they also argued that Harris hasn't got any kind of like leadership experience 301 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,480 and she's only been in the limelight for a little while and um doesn't have a lot of that's not a 302 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:24,080 good enough reason like somebody can rise to the occasion quite quite easy I realize people might 303 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:32,800 not trust her and it's easier to go with a celebrity that you know yeah I don't think that they I don't 304 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:41,040 think that she was a very good talker like not not a powerful public speaker she couldn't yeah I 305 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:48,640 don't know that she could argue her point very well and we know that Trump can even when he's 306 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,320 even when he's dead wrong or yeah just plain up lying he still sounds convincing annoyingly yeah 307 00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:03,040 um and I think you have to be a certain person to be able to have that way about you and like you 308 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:14,400 if you don't have that strength of um voice then you can actually get made to look very silly and 309 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,920 Donald Trump did a very good job of making her look very silly in his election complaint and 310 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:29,920 I think he did the same thing in the Clinton campaign um but I don't think that he did the 311 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:39,120 same thing in his Biden campaign I think Biden was a well-loved figure from his time with Barack 312 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:47,040 Obama um and Barack Obama was a massive hit in America and very good president massively loved 313 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:55,920 by most of the people um and his right-hand man was Joe Biden and when Trump was impeached um 314 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:03,840 I think a lot of the public went well if like we can't really trust Trump I'd rather have 315 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:11,200 Donald Joe Biden back in you know um yeah because we know who he is and we know what he's about 316 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,880 but it's not the same when it comes to Kamala Harris they didn't know who she was they didn't 317 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,800 know what she was about they don't know enough about her and she certainly didn't make her voice 318 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,880 heard very much during her time as vice president and for people to have that kind of comfort level 319 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:39,840 with her but Trump was very good at arguing his case um if you go back to like 1992 Clinton won 320 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:49,120 against George senior George Bush senior um and Ross Perot I thought George Bush senior was like 321 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:56,400 further back in time like I just thought mathematically with George Bush being early 2000s 322 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:04,160 that it would be pretty sure George hw bush is George senior isn't it yeah that sounds right 323 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,440 I'm not very American as you can tell 324 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:18,880 yeah that's that I don't know that's daddy bush and george hw is is daddy bush and and Clinton 325 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,720 won against bob doll um we all know about bob doll 326 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:32,400 that was a joke I've heard the name but I uh that was a joke this is this is the annoying thing 327 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:38,960 I've heard the name I can't claim to know a huge amount though so uh why don't you know but the 328 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:48,560 point is like George hw bush wasn't a very well liked public figure when Bill Clinton went against 329 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:56,640 him in 92 um it was a little bit of a scandal towards the end of his presidency um previous 330 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:02,160 which is what led to Clinton winning the post because he was like up against Ross Perot as well 331 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,560 well Ross Perot I don't know um but he was independent and independents never win in America 332 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:17,520 because you don't gain enough of congress to win your votes and you'll end up outweighed in congress 333 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,720 because you don't have the republican side or you don't have the democratic side which is why 334 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:33,680 it tends to go um republican or democratic in America um so two-party system yeah yeah um so 335 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:44,480 Clinton won in 92 he won again in 96 uh and he was up against bob doll who I have no idea who that 336 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,240 bloke is but I think the fact that I don't know who he is kind of speaks volumes of the 337 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:54,880 what Bill Clinton was up against it was 96 and I was eight years old at the time but um I mean 338 00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:04,240 George w bush in 2000 he beat Al Gore now I do know who Al Gore is and I have heard enough about 339 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:14,480 Al Gore but at the time there was a lot of concern around um instability in the political world 340 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:23,120 and George w bush had quite a militaristic background and he fit the post very well at that time 341 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:34,160 yeah um and Al Gore was a very green like he was way before his time he was all about green power 342 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:43,040 and and uh like or green energy rather and and changing his life and his life and his life and 343 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:50,240 changing changing America which I don't think America was ready for they needed a strong 344 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:58,240 minded leader and George w bush was going to be that for America I will keep my judgment to myself 345 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:08,880 and then George w bush won again in 2004 up against John Kerry um once again not a very 346 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:15,520 strong candidate to be up against and there was also the conspiracy around the votes itself being 347 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:23,840 rigged um and George w bush being put back in power the fact that he was doing his victory dance 348 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:30,480 before the final votes were even counted um yeah that doesn't make you look good does it no it 349 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:39,040 doesn't um and he was it was almost like he had been told that he would be beating John Kerry by 350 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,840 the powers that be as it were um and he had to step down at the end of that second term 351 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,920 even if like although a thing that really frustrates me is that George w bush and Tony Blair 352 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:03,840 stood side by side and committed war crimes and yet George bush doesn't necessarily get 353 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,760 the kind of negative hype from Americans that Tony Blair does from the British 354 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:21,360 yeah yeah they even make British people genuinely hate Tony Blair 355 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:27,760 yeah there is a lot of negative a lot of negative feeling there like and they're telling well 356 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:34,560 going to going to war for reasons which turn out to be false yeah yeah and then 357 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:40,080 is in a way to yeah it's not a way to make your friends yeah 358 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:48,160 and of course in 2008 Barack Obama um the first black president of America won against John McCain 359 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:55,840 if I remember rightly that election was quite close um because there was a lot of resistance 360 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:03,760 to having a black president um and so it was a very very very very very very very very very 361 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:14,800 um but Barack was a fantastic public speaker and he really won the hearts of the majority of America 362 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:23,440 to the point where his election his re-election in 2012 was almost a landslide because up against 363 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:30,560 Mitt Romney he people were like who are you Mitt Romney you like we're having this guy again he's 364 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:39,760 fantastic yeah it's difficult to well it's difficult for him to um to compete with Obama 365 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:51,520 but also Mitt Romney not he just didn't he didn't really seem that relatable yeah you know like um 366 00:44:51,520 --> 00:45:01,360 again incredibly uh rich American um like at one point his wife tried to make out that they were 367 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:09,200 poor because they were buying secondhand furniture but they never had to work they've always had 368 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,440 passive incomes from properties yeah you know and that's that's not that's not poor 369 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:22,560 you know what I mean like yeah or is um you could say the same thing about Donald Trump 370 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,960 he there's no way he has understanding of what the what it's like to live on the breadline 371 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,480 but one thing that he doesn't do is he doesn't profess to 372 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:40,880 yeah yeah that's true he doesn't say oh it's okay like I know what it's like to be poor as a matter 373 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,800 of fact what he does is he goes f**king peasant poor people I'd hate to be poor um and literally 374 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,360 behaves in that way where he almost gives off the air of like no I know I'm rich and I'm happy being 375 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:59,520 rich and I want to be anything but anything else but rich um and but it's so black and white that 376 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:06,640 it makes him more trustworthy yeah because it's not a palatable opinion so you know that he's not 377 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:13,440 saying it or you feel like he's not saying it for your approval because if he was groping for your 378 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:19,520 approval he would say something else far sweeter absolutely he was saying something so different 379 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,800 it's like salt in your porridge yeah you know like yeah yeah it's not really all that appealing 380 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,000 but you know somebody does it somewhere and at least it feels honest you know what you're getting 381 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,880 you're getting salty oats the point I was trying to make throughout all of that is that 382 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:43,040 with um American elections it's very rare that you get a balanced election campaign 383 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:51,360 where it's two powerhouses going head to head for leadership of the country 384 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,560 yeah 385 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:08,240 yeah I felt like that in the UK as well like I don't feel like I voted for Keir Starmer 386 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:16,880 I feel like I voted for Labour because I didn't want conservative 387 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:26,480 yeah completely true I voted the same um and I didn't go Lib Dem because I've been let down 388 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:33,600 horribly by them in the past yeah I voted for them when they had the the sham conservative 389 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:39,120 yeah the sham conservative coalition yeah no one voted for the coalition that wasn't a coalition 390 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:48,160 the coalition that wasn't a coalition um it was definitely um David Cameron with his lapdog um 391 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:55,200 yeah I will admit one thing that makes me respect Nick Clegg is at the very least he apologized 392 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,560 like that that's the only I don't know an apology I'm never going to vote for him again and I'm 393 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,520 probably not going to vote for his party again unless there is an absolute powerhouse of a 394 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,760 leader with a shit ton of charisma but yeah apology means at least I'm not going to throw 395 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:22,480 a brick at him if I see him on the street yeah yeah yeah I'll give him that um but I just I think 396 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:34,400 politics as a general rule is failing and I think America has I think America feels the same 397 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,560 which is kind of why they've gone with someone who's not a politician 398 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,080 yeah I'd agree with that 399 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:53,440 Donald Trump is not a politician hands down cannot say that he has a shred of diplomacy 400 00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:00,000 in him at all like there's nothing diplomatic about the bloke like if you want to go to war 401 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,480 with a country you make Donald Trump your ambassador to that country 402 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:18,320 you know what I mean yeah yeah like but one thing that I feel really is going to happen with America 403 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:27,360 is that they are going to become over the next four years they are going to become a very very 404 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:37,840 powerful fear-inducing nation without needing to flex their militaristic muscles 405 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:52,240 I feel like Donald Trump will do very good things in building that economical power backup for America 406 00:49:52,240 --> 00:50:01,520 and they already have a very powerful military and he knows it and it's definitely a card up his 407 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:08,240 sleeve for any kind of trade deal negotiations he's got going on um but I do feel like it's one of the 408 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:15,920 last cards that he plays because it's not a language that he understands 409 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:23,840 I mean he understands making threats yeah but the the threats he he understands to make are threats 410 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:29,200 that say if you don't sign this trade deal we'll seize all your assets in America 411 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:39,280 will affect your economy you know and like we don't need to go to war with you to 412 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:47,920 squeeze you into making you sign this this treaty and I think that's where his power is 413 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:59,920 well change the subject here why do you think people have forgotten about his impeachment 414 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:07,840 I don't think it's something worth consideration given the fact that he was acquitted and I think 415 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:15,440 the only reason he was able to run again was because he was acquitted yeah 416 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,880 okay no that's fair 417 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:28,880 Hi 418 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:35,440 I don't know do you think do you do you think that um 419 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,240 do you think Trump Trump's mannerisms 420 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:49,520 um are worth politicians in this country taking notes or do you think that they are something to be universally avoided 421 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:56,720 I think he's a flash in the pan I think he is 422 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:09,360 a situation that will only happen I say only happen once obviously he got in twice but um in this context 423 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,720 I think he's a situation that will only happen once 424 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,240 and I think it's a situation that will only happen once 425 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,320 if you have a question about this 426 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:27,720 twice but in this context I think he's a situation that will only happen once in the respect 427 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:38,320 that he almost came in with more backing this time around after his two impeachments last 428 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:51,080 time and that's not going to happen again because he's been able to rebuild his image 429 00:52:51,080 --> 00:53:04,720 very effectively and I don't think you can recreate that, you have to be Donald Trump 430 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:16,400 to do that, you know. I don't think our politicians have it in them to have that way about them, 431 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,360 a they're nowhere near as charismatic as Donald Trump. 432 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:30,280 I mean you put David Cameron and you put Barack Obama in the same room and it was just embarrassing. 433 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,960 Like Barack Obama was smooth. 434 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:42,120 Even good at table tennis. 435 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:52,440 He was just, he was the cool guy, the jock of all politicians, you know what I mean? 436 00:53:52,440 --> 00:54:01,440 And English politicians don't have anything like that and they certainly don't have a 437 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,920 Donald Trump. 438 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:15,040 Our answer to Donald Trump is Alan Sugar and I certainly, I would not be voting for him, 439 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:22,000 no offence Alan Sugar, but I also think that Alan Sugar wouldn't try to be Prime Minister. 440 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,120 Do you think it's staying his box or do you think… 441 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:34,000 I think he would just go, it's definitely not what I want with my life, thank you. 442 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:43,760 We lack patriotism, we lack a sense of what is British in the way that the Americans have 443 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:53,200 their own sense of what is American and Donald Trump embodies that patriotism and they're 444 00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:03,240 at a point in their development as a nation where patriotism is back in and it's in 445 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:13,360 full flight and it's needed and it's all about embracing the American way and making 446 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:19,160 as Donald Trump said, making America great again and he's come along at the right time 447 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:29,200 to deliver that message and it's a message that I feel only Donald Trump could deliver. 448 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:39,360 Yeah, I think other people could step up to the plate and try but I just, I'm not sure 449 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,560 they'd have the same amount of success. 450 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:48,040 No, no, and that's the thing, from a British perspective looking at America, you kind of 451 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:53,080 bite your nails and go, oh my god what's about to happen over there, but I think we did the 452 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,280 same thing with George Bush. 453 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:05,040 With more good reason as well, like George Bush did go to war, did create terror all 454 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,880 around the world, alongside the Brits. 455 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,480 Yeah, got us to be his little lapdog. 456 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,720 Yeah, well that's the way it felt anyway. 457 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:26,480 But I think we have got a very tainted perspective of America and they do of us as well and I 458 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,920 think it's not something that anybody should necessarily be offended by, like the media 459 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,960 does a very good job of painting the other people, like the American media do a good 460 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,720 job of painting the Brits in that light the same way that the British media do a very 461 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,240 good job of painting America in that light. 462 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:53,160 But I think Donald Trump will at least instill a bit of fear into the media in that they 463 00:56:53,160 --> 00:57:00,400 will think twice before they start trying to paint America in that light and I think 464 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,000 that's what America needs. 465 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:10,760 That's a fair point. 466 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:24,320 I'm hoping, you know what, I'd love to see the next American president, I'd love to see 467 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:36,080 a nerd get in, because so far it does simply seem to be the biggest personality, you know? 468 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:44,240 Like Biden got in because... 469 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,480 It was almost a teddy bear, you wanted to give him a hug. 470 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:56,160 Well yeah, and he just feels like a stopgap, like what really sticks out to me about Biden's 471 00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,240 presidency is the lack of news coverage all of a sudden that we had coming across from 472 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,080 America, you know? 473 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:14,160 Yeah, I think he was seen on TV unwell and then they were very careful about what TV 474 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,320 presentations he was doing. 475 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:33,720 I'm sure you've seen the clip of him humbling his words on screen and being quite confused. 476 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:40,440 That's not a good way to be, but to be fair a good politician can recover from that. 477 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:47,560 Like I mean George Bush Jr. 478 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:48,560 He read a book upside down. 479 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:59,120 He read a book upside down, but he also at one point was asked what other policies and 480 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:08,360 what changes are you going to make other than 9-11? 481 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:15,880 He froze, he'd forgotten all other changes that he was going to make during his presidency 482 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:25,040 and he just kept going 9-11, international terror. 483 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:31,280 And he completely budged it for like a good 30 seconds. 484 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,560 Nobody had written anything on his cards. 485 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,880 There was anything about anything but terror, a war on terror. 486 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:46,560 Nothing about public spending, nothing about personal liberties, no examples of small stuff. 487 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,480 He had mastered one thing and to the detriment of everything else. 488 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,480 Yeah, yeah. 489 00:59:51,480 --> 01:00:02,280 One of the, I mean, George Bush Jr. was a wealth of quotes and I'm pretty sure if you 490 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:10,320 dig around on Google for a little while you would find a compendium of George W Bush quotes 491 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,400 would have you chuckling away for hours. 492 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:21,720 One of my favorite was he was in the middle of a, he was asked a political question whilst 493 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:30,720 he was stood at the T on a golf range and he answered the question in a typical George 494 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:36,240 Bush way with more deflection than anything else and then swaggered up to the T and goes 495 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,720 now watch this drive. 496 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:44,360 And that, every time I see George Bush I always cut back to that clip. 497 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,240 Now watch this drive. 498 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,680 Fantastic. 499 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,920 And I cannot take him seriously. 500 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,880 It's hilarious. 501 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,880 But you don't want your president to, as a nation you don't want your president to be 502 01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,680 a laughing stock. 503 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,280 You don't want the world to be looking at your president and going oh he's that guy 504 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:09,440 that did that ha ha ha. 505 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:15,640 And it got a little bit that way with Donald Trump the first time but I think he managed 506 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:24,200 to recover in the four years that he hasn't been in office and he's come back a lot stronger 507 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,680 this time and a lot wiser as well. 508 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,360 So who can tell? 509 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,360 Who can tell? 510 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:43,720 My hope is that it is a positive experience not just for Americans but for the rest of 511 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,920 the West and for its allies. 512 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,280 But who can tell? 513 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,280 We'll see. 514 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,280 Yeah. 515 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,840 No that's fine. 516 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,560 Alright indeed we will see. 517 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:09,040 Well thank you very much listeners for coming along with us on this journey once again. 518 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,720 I hope you've enjoyed. 519 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,760 We will catch you in the next podcast. 520 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,760 That's goodbye from me. 521 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:45,120 Goodbye from me.