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Today we're going to discuss why Donald Trump.
Now I posed a question like that because round two of the American presidential elections
has, I say round two, it's like his round two of his re-election process
and voila he won. So up against Kamala Harris who took over from the sickening Joe Biden
who was unable to continue his presidential campaign due to degradation of health,
I suppose you could say. So Kamala Harris being the first, the vice president, wasn't she?
She stood in place of Joe Biden and Trump trumped her.
Yep. Unfortunate play on words but it is entirely, yeah that is a thing.
I mean let's just go back to Trump v1 and
he got impeached didn't he?
So you can argue that the political landscape has somewhat changed since his election in 2016
but you are right he got impeached. There was mention about, what's the right word here?
Yeah there was talk of espionage and stuff like that and of if I'm honest with you just crime.
Yeah.
Just genuine crime. It's as if Tony Blair after stepping down due to war crimes and then as if he
then tried to walk back into Downing Street again. Well he doesn't have to because he's
knighted because he's in the House of Lords interestingly as a warlord I feel that
yeah with war being the specialty that he is the lord of which there is some irony there.
But yeah it's weird. I tell you what Nick, I'm afraid I am somewhat ignorant of this.
Why was Trump impeached towards the end of his presidency?
So if you listen to Trump he was impeached because the, what's the word for it? The
Senate? Is it the Senate? What's the bleeding word for it? Like the Council of the House of Lords
but American? That is the Senate. Okay. They turned against him. They didn't like him being
there anymore. Apparently he spoke too freely and they found it a threat to their.
Ironical rule.
Yeah however his impeachment came under allegations of abuse of power, obstruction of Congress and
incitement of insurrection. Congress that's it not not not Senate.
Yeah Congress. I knew it wasn't the right word yeah but.
Well thank you for letting me possibly get away with that but just so that our listeners,
well just so I'm being honest with our listeners, Congress not Senate.
I literally went into Star Wars for a minute. I was like this can't be right. I'm like I'm on
all around at the moment. This isn't this isn't this isn't correct.
I totally understand.
Yeah so there was enough evidence according to Congress because it is like the court of
Congress isn't it? That the impeachment goes to. I use the term in like court of Congress
very loosely. I don't mean that there's literally a court of Congress. I mean it's basically tried
by Congress isn't he? And there's a jury in a high judge, high court judge.
But essentially yeah there was a he said he said that Trump pressured Ukraine's president to
investigate Joe Biden in exchange for military aid and he was also accused of encouraging the
2021 January 6th Capitol attack aimed at overturning the 2020 election results.
Pretty big.
Yeah I mean he was acquitted both times.
But the fact.
Now that does that does mean something to me because I will admit there is this culture
that we're in now where people are still very much seen as guilty after they've been proved
innocent. Which I get to a point you don't want to just be ignoring the fact that somebody has been
accused of something at some point. But I also don't think it's quite as
I don't think it's quite as black and white as things end up becoming either you know.
Well I don't think you get to the point where you have the wealth and power that Trump has
outside of his presidential powers without having the ability to pull some backhanded
under the table deals. I mean.
Understandable.
Trump's uncle worked for the American government when and I bring this point up because
it was relative to a Nikola Tesla. So John Trump he was a renowned electrical engineer and physicist.
He worked at MIT and was involved in radar technology and high voltage research.
He was tasked by the US government to review Tesla's personal papers after Tesla's death.
And he then concluded that Tesla's papers contained no significant revolutionary technology
that could be used for weapons and or other advanced applications.
And completely they like boxed the entire lot of Nikola Tesla's work up and then hit it
from that point on. So he had a massive hand in the like.
The downfall.
In the silent well not necessarily the downfall but he I said this in the Tesla podcast like the
Trump family had like hands on they were the last people to have hands on Tesla's
research and shock horror it's never seen the light of day. Nobody's seen it since.
So.
Okay it was not aware of was not aware of that.
Yeah.
You know obviously Trump's money has come through real estate and like development.
However he did inherit a lot of his fortune from his father.
Yeah.
Fred Trump and he it's said that he swindled
his siblings out of their share the majority share of their inheritance from his dad.
His brother is an alcoholic.
He died an alcoholic yeah.
Yeah but like there were and there are numerous like from I've been reading a particular book.
Let me pull it up here this is kind of frustrating.
This is kind of frustrating.
I'm reading confidence man.
Yeah.
By Maggie Haberman and I will be honest with you like I went with this.
I went with this book because I started reading another one which was pure just vitriolic
brown nosing but this particular confidence man is well researched but it paints a incredibly
negative view of Trump's personality and kind of goes into every single bit of dirt on that family
on that family at all and it's I don't know it almost the annoying thing is it does seem
to be well researched it does seem like a lot of it's true but it goes so completely
in that direction that it almost has me wanting to stand up for this horrible person simply because
it goes that far and it does talk about yeah Fred Trump being an incredibly kind of absent
or and kind of a very particularly cold type of father and it's a lot of it does seem more like
almost character assassination more than anything else.
Well like you live what you learn you learn what you live and Fred was of the generation that were
incredibly racist.
Yes there were there were court stuff.
Yeah there was.
That is something that goes into it like.
There was an out of court settlement or discrimination against black applicants for housing in.
Yeah.
1973 and there was admission of guilt from both Fred and Donald's side.
That's interesting because the way that they talk about it in later interviews is that
there wasn't an admission of guilt per se.
Sorry no it says it's settled without an admission of guilt but including agreement to change rental
practices. Yeah they changed it but they didn't have to say that what they were doing was wrong
which in itself is a little bit of a problem as well.
Oh I mean you don't have to say it to actually see it you know.
I mean the fact they had to change their rental practices in itself showed that they were obviously
discriminatory and weren't with the times. I mean you can see in the way that some of like Trump's
like Donald's communications with the public there's a very outdated sense of freedom of speech.
He has why he has had quite chauvinistic comments at times very outdated religious views
and very outdated racial views at times.
But I think what what what kind of really shone to a lot of Americans was that he
remained very clear and very true to what he said he was going to do and what he did.
So yes he had some very strong opinions and very strong views
but he said he was going to build a wall so and he fully intended to build the wall.
And yeah okay the the worksmanship probably isn't to the level of his work the worksmanship he put
into his towers in New York but he'd certainly set about building a wall. So I think when it comes
to the re-election a lot of people looked at that and went well what you see is what you get. Yes
he can say the wrong thing at times but he also did everything that he said he was going to do.
He was going to do everything that he said he was going to do. He was going to do everything that he
said he was going to do. With most politicians that's not what you get.
That's interesting that's because I've never heard like to be fair you don't hear him talked
about positively so that's interesting that like okay just to get this clear putting a wall on a
border is not going to stop immigration as most people arrive in the United States in planes.
Which is something that's covered in Adam Ruins Everything a dropout tv
production so just points to that particular broadcaster there. But
yeah okay you know what he said he was going to do something moronic and then he did something
moronic but he at least he bothered to do it and I hate to admit that that does actually mean
something. Yeah and that's something that I think a lot of people will see as well and he also
is very loyal to the code of America should we say like the constitution he wants to uphold and
maintain the patriotic constitution of America you know. I mean that's a that you're going to get
good yeah in America at least you're going to get votes for that with that. He doesn't seek to
reform it he wants it to be as good as it can be he firmly believes that the constitution was good
enough when it was made and it's good enough now like let's bring it back to its fullest strength
and actually make it exactly what it can be instead of all the things that have been
like all the things that have been tweaked and changed because like everybody's scared of
everybody else essentially. The one thing that you cannot tell me that Donald Trump is
he's afraid of what people are going to think of him.
No although he does know he's a very good public speaker and he does respond to the crowd well.
He's a showman. I mean he is a showman and he knows how to work a room.
Yep. Yep. You know like he's a businessman and I think that's another thing that kind of ends up
swinging in his favour because he will run America like a business. He's a very successful businessman.
The trade deals that he was working on
were very strong in the viewpoint of America. There was less of this whole bending over backwards
to accommodate China or bending over backwards to accommodate Russia. It was we know we give as much
as we take and it'll work for us. It's our trade deal. We'll make it work for us and that mentality
from like they weren't dealing with a politician anymore these leaders. They were dealing with a
very astute businessman and he got what he wanted and Americans saw that too.
Yeah and like that is something that I will admit is covered in some of his speeches. I've seen
some of his speeches. I watched some footage. I didn't watch a whole rally. I watched some footage
from a couple of rallies and that's something that he does talk about how the world's laughing
at the West and how the deals don't work for. Yeah he talked about how we're not sorry not we.
He used the term we. America isn't making good deals and it's not benefiting its citizens
anymore and that kind of talk is it's really easy to get behind it or to be drawn into it you know.
Yeah. Yeah I mean he's not wrong. I
I think you need somebody sometimes that will run the country like a business especially when your
country is in the sorry financial state that it is and I think his re-election has come at a great
time for America. I think it's come at a very terrifying time for everyone else in the world.
I was glad that Syria is no longer at war. That's something
that's happening but to be fair the fact that I didn't even know it was in the first place
is a bad is bad. Syria has been at war for decades. Yeah Syria was one of the last
free state nations where they would like basically pay you to set up a farm. They'd give you the land.
They'd pay for your equipment. They'd set you up a farm in order to encourage the growth of their
own economy and the West went in and changed all of that. Classic. Now they are
just like everyone else accumulating debt. More and more debt everywhere they go.
But that's a completely different podcast so let's try to focus on Donald Trump.
Okay well one of the things that so some people don't understand how Donald Trump has gotten in
at all. One point that I did find is okay so part of it is his championing of the coal industry.
Now any environmentalist and any everybody knows that coal is nowadays a bad idea.
It's a very dark fuel. It's a very dirty fuel. It's a yeah it's not a clean and good way of
producing energy and you can argue that other ways aren't that much better. I'm not going to
say that every other way or any other way is perfect but it's it's it's out don't it's
unfortunately it is somewhat outdated. There's there are better technologies out there and
I think anyone can kind of. Donald Trump knows better than anyone that there is better
there is better technologies out there. Yeah but this is the thing he's sat on Tesla's own research.
Well says it says it all but um. He knows what he's got under his he knows what he's hiding
and he knows that he's hiding it in order to make money.
Oh absolutely but I guess in okay so uh West Virginia so do your best to keep country roads
out of your head. He went straight in there man sorry.
Yeah yeah yeah that's it me too mate me too that's why I said that um but like uh in Logan
Virginia there were 50 years ago there were um hundreds or sorry over a hundred coal mines in
that county alone. Now although they're going to that they're going to have consolidated and become
bigger businesses. Yeah. There's now four or in 2016 there was four and there's this mass
migration out and there's loads hundreds of properties throughout this throughout this
state where entire families have just had to move off without selling the property to anyone
and it's become derelict. You have streets and streets of like almost ghost towns because
the local populace were so reliant on coal mining that they were able to get out of the
coal mining that when when new legislation comes in place which makes life harder for these people
it destroys communities. Yeah.
And it's interesting that Trump's got such a stranglehold on um on Logan and on
Virginia as a whole because you know what like um those communities have suffered.
I hate to say it it's kind of the sort of necessary suffering that comes with change
but it's not easy for them at all and it doesn't surprise me that they
support Trump because he talks about making it at least sustainable for a time so that they
don't immediately lose their jobs. You see I absolutely want the world to change over to a
very clean way of living. Yeah. I want I want uh like cheaper energy more renewable energy
um and I want like the movement away from oil fuels fossil fuels. However
I'm also not naive and I know there's a whole lot of money in fossil fuel.
So do you cut your nose off to spite your face? Yeah.
If you if your economy is crippling in the way that America's is
do you cut your nose off to spite your face when you've got states like the Arab countries
the Arabic states who are some of the richest in the world because of the
the liquid gold because of the fossil fuels. Um if you have the ability to make the money off of
the fossil fuels and they're going to be they're going to be sold if you if you mine it they will
buy it and you can make money from it why wouldn't you?
Yeah. It might not be what everybody wants
but it's like we're still living in that world where you can sell it
and it can still fetch a lot of money why wouldn't you?
Yeah that's it. It'd be really stupid of you not to and shutting down all the coal mines because
you're moving away from it because like we're trying to be a greener and more like more like
but yeah we're trying we're trying okay um but we're not succeeding not by any means and uh
people are still buying coal why have you stopped mining it?
Well this is the thing it's cutting it down and it is over a 50 year period like I will admit
that as I was even watching this thing I did feel bad for the Gart for the Bina
but part of me was like well I've had to change my profession numerous times in the past 15 years
like what why are you still trying to do this like why I I realized that people want to live
where they've always lived that people want the not necessarily the best stuff but they want basic
dignity they want affluence they want what they believe to be success I get that but we all do
need to be able to change as well you know yeah like even through the course of my lifetime what
is acceptable has changed massively but also so has markets so as every like everything's changing
all the time we all need to adapt or if we're doing something wrong then to stop doing it that way
yeah I get it but is that there's also the chance that you move too fast ahead of everyone else
yeah and
you end up
like China has entire cities that they built because they expected a massive population boom
they had like a hundred people move in and nobody else came
entire cities that have no population because they expected the population to move too fast
because they expected the population to boom and they expected to be able to move people
into these cities and nobody came yeah
like you sometimes you over anticipate maybe that's what maybe that's what Trump's kind of
getting to but you're over anticipating how fast we're going to be moving towards greener energy
there's still the need for fossil fuels right now so we're going to make money yeah
maybe that's the way he's thinking I don't know I certainly don't want to work out his brain that's
certainly not where I'm going with it but it's definitely a thought process that he might have
had I doubt very much he would have thought very much too much about greener energy but as a
businessman he certainly will be looking at money that's sat in the ground that's not being utilized
so you it makes sense it does make sense it's just not a very it's not very
21st century thinking which I think is a lot of where Trump goes wrong and I don't mean goes
wrong in a in a bad way I mean that's like as far as like sociological norms goes wrong like he
always appears to say the things that are a little bit outdated makes a comment about grabbing a
woman with a pussy you know and um like making comments about immigration in the way that he
did about getting the Mexicans to pay for the wall that he's going to build um like it's very last
generation but I don't know there's there's definitely uh there's definitely a an ear for
it in America yeah yeah that's true the question is how does Donald Trump being elected affect
well us as English and other nations how how is it going to affect that
well I hopefully it won't I don't think
uh it I mean he's one thing that one thing I like about Trump is that he has
even from his early speeches um acted as though America shouldn't be involved with
so I guess I guess one of the things that I like about Trump is that from his speeches his foreign
policy would appears to be um a lot more hands off than like President Bush for example low bar I
know but like you know what I mean like yeah at least Trump is a little bit more of a
you know what I mean like yeah at least Trump his internal policies of immigration are horrible
however having having the American president saying I don't know what we're doing in this foreign
country well either he hasn't read his thing has doesn't have his facts or it's just an omission
of we shouldn't be trying to control and police the world or we shouldn't be trying to manipulate
the world into giving us a better deal or using you know force like I kind of I can kind of get
it's probably just the the white British guilt talking here but I can get behind that
yeah I think you've got to see it from the perspective that if you can't if you're fighting
someone you can't sell them stuff at the same time yeah and like he is a businessman so of
course he's gonna well I say of course like it makes sense that he would want to step back from
war and and domination and instead spuck up like trade treaties instead yeah
yeah well it just it's
I think okay so the way at the beginning of this podcast you said why Donald Trump
and I guess it's because people sometimes people are kind of just sick of
anything that looks like a politician so like they'll go with Trump they'll go with Boris
Johnson they'll go with anything that looks like where it's foolishness mask or fake foolishness
masquerading as honesty you know yeah it's it's interesting that that's that that's a thing and
that's what works now but it does seem to be that that is what works I don't know it's it's
interesting I do think
I do think who did Trump win again oh wait it was Hillary yeah I just find it yeah so it was
Hillary and then it does seem weird that on both occasions he's won against those candidates when
they do seem like it I mean the Clinton administration wasn't perfect and Clinton
isn't perfect but at least Hillary has
has in more recent terms taken a left-wing stand on things so people know what she
does endorse when it comes to personal freedoms like it does surprise me I'm in both cases I'm
surprised that Trump won I don't know what are what are your thoughts like do you feel that just
people are so ridiculously bigoted that they'd rather have Donald Trump than a female candidate
or no I think like if you I these are what I did was I got a list of all of the elections going
back like to 1990 or 1992 and because what I what I tried to see was like the winners
who were they really up against because like Tamala Harris wasn't a strong opponent
yeah what did she what did she stand for I will admit I don't know enough about her policies
or her political history she wanted to carry on the Democratic rule that Biden had taken up
and the reason they didn't like it was because they were like the American voters were concerned
more about the economic stability and like the financial security of the country
security of the country and they felt like the Democrats had put them in the position they were
in much the same as we did with the conservatives we felt like the conservatives had shipped us down
the river and like completely left us up shit creek without a paddle as it were pardon the language
um yeah and there was a few like almost like woke culture-esque kind of um views that was
the shared and wanted to there's a there's a want and desire to um like embrace that culture that
I don't think America's ready for uh as a general as a general public um which kind of fought against
her a little bit they also argued that Harris hasn't got any kind of like leadership experience
and she's only been in the limelight for a little while and um doesn't have a lot of that's not a
good enough reason like somebody can rise to the occasion quite quite easy I realize people might
not trust her and it's easier to go with a celebrity that you know yeah I don't think that they I don't
think that she was a very good talker like not not a powerful public speaker she couldn't yeah I
don't know that she could argue her point very well and we know that Trump can even when he's
even when he's dead wrong or yeah just plain up lying he still sounds convincing annoyingly yeah
um and I think you have to be a certain person to be able to have that way about you and like you
if you don't have that strength of um voice then you can actually get made to look very silly and
Donald Trump did a very good job of making her look very silly in his election complaint and
I think he did the same thing in the Clinton campaign um but I don't think that he did the
same thing in his Biden campaign I think Biden was a well-loved figure from his time with Barack
Obama um and Barack Obama was a massive hit in America and very good president massively loved
by most of the people um and his right-hand man was Joe Biden and when Trump was impeached um
I think a lot of the public went well if like we can't really trust Trump I'd rather have
Donald Joe Biden back in you know um yeah because we know who he is and we know what he's about
but it's not the same when it comes to Kamala Harris they didn't know who she was they didn't
know what she was about they don't know enough about her and she certainly didn't make her voice
heard very much during her time as vice president and for people to have that kind of comfort level
with her but Trump was very good at arguing his case um if you go back to like 1992 Clinton won
against George senior George Bush senior um and Ross Perot I thought George Bush senior was like
further back in time like I just thought mathematically with George Bush being early 2000s
that it would be pretty sure George hw bush is George senior isn't it yeah that sounds right
I'm not very American as you can tell
yeah that's that I don't know that's daddy bush and george hw is is daddy bush and and Clinton
won against bob doll um we all know about bob doll
that was a joke I've heard the name but I uh that was a joke this is this is the annoying thing
I've heard the name I can't claim to know a huge amount though so uh why don't you know but the
point is like George hw bush wasn't a very well liked public figure when Bill Clinton went against
him in 92 um it was a little bit of a scandal towards the end of his presidency um previous
which is what led to Clinton winning the post because he was like up against Ross Perot as well
well Ross Perot I don't know um but he was independent and independents never win in America
because you don't gain enough of congress to win your votes and you'll end up outweighed in congress
because you don't have the republican side or you don't have the democratic side which is why
it tends to go um republican or democratic in America um so two-party system yeah yeah um so
Clinton won in 92 he won again in 96 uh and he was up against bob doll who I have no idea who that
bloke is but I think the fact that I don't know who he is kind of speaks volumes of the
what Bill Clinton was up against it was 96 and I was eight years old at the time but um I mean
George w bush in 2000 he beat Al Gore now I do know who Al Gore is and I have heard enough about
Al Gore but at the time there was a lot of concern around um instability in the political world
and George w bush had quite a militaristic background and he fit the post very well at that time
yeah um and Al Gore was a very green like he was way before his time he was all about green power
and and uh like or green energy rather and and changing his life and his life and his life and
changing changing America which I don't think America was ready for they needed a strong
minded leader and George w bush was going to be that for America I will keep my judgment to myself
and then George w bush won again in 2004 up against John Kerry um once again not a very
strong candidate to be up against and there was also the conspiracy around the votes itself being
rigged um and George w bush being put back in power the fact that he was doing his victory dance
before the final votes were even counted um yeah that doesn't make you look good does it no it
doesn't um and he was it was almost like he had been told that he would be beating John Kerry by
the powers that be as it were um and he had to step down at the end of that second term
even if like although a thing that really frustrates me is that George w bush and Tony Blair
stood side by side and committed war crimes and yet George bush doesn't necessarily get
the kind of negative hype from Americans that Tony Blair does from the British
yeah yeah they even make British people genuinely hate Tony Blair
yeah there is a lot of negative a lot of negative feeling there like and they're telling well
going to going to war for reasons which turn out to be false yeah yeah and then
is in a way to yeah it's not a way to make your friends yeah
and of course in 2008 Barack Obama um the first black president of America won against John McCain
if I remember rightly that election was quite close um because there was a lot of resistance
to having a black president um and so it was a very very very very very very very very very
um but Barack was a fantastic public speaker and he really won the hearts of the majority of America
to the point where his election his re-election in 2012 was almost a landslide because up against
Mitt Romney he people were like who are you Mitt Romney you like we're having this guy again he's
fantastic yeah it's difficult to well it's difficult for him to um to compete with Obama
but also Mitt Romney not he just didn't he didn't really seem that relatable yeah you know like um
again incredibly uh rich American um like at one point his wife tried to make out that they were
poor because they were buying secondhand furniture but they never had to work they've always had
passive incomes from properties yeah you know and that's that's not that's not poor
you know what I mean like yeah or is um you could say the same thing about Donald Trump
he there's no way he has understanding of what the what it's like to live on the breadline
but one thing that he doesn't do is he doesn't profess to
yeah yeah that's true he doesn't say oh it's okay like I know what it's like to be poor as a matter
of fact what he does is he goes f**king peasant poor people I'd hate to be poor um and literally
behaves in that way where he almost gives off the air of like no I know I'm rich and I'm happy being
rich and I want to be anything but anything else but rich um and but it's so black and white that
it makes him more trustworthy yeah because it's not a palatable opinion so you know that he's not
saying it or you feel like he's not saying it for your approval because if he was groping for your
approval he would say something else far sweeter absolutely he was saying something so different
it's like salt in your porridge yeah you know like yeah yeah it's not really all that appealing
but you know somebody does it somewhere and at least it feels honest you know what you're getting
you're getting salty oats the point I was trying to make throughout all of that is that
with um American elections it's very rare that you get a balanced election campaign
where it's two powerhouses going head to head for leadership of the country
yeah
yeah I felt like that in the UK as well like I don't feel like I voted for Keir Starmer
I feel like I voted for Labour because I didn't want conservative
yeah completely true I voted the same um and I didn't go Lib Dem because I've been let down
horribly by them in the past yeah I voted for them when they had the the sham conservative
yeah the sham conservative coalition yeah no one voted for the coalition that wasn't a coalition
the coalition that wasn't a coalition um it was definitely um David Cameron with his lapdog um
yeah I will admit one thing that makes me respect Nick Clegg is at the very least he apologized
like that that's the only I don't know an apology I'm never going to vote for him again and I'm
probably not going to vote for his party again unless there is an absolute powerhouse of a
leader with a shit ton of charisma but yeah apology means at least I'm not going to throw
a brick at him if I see him on the street yeah yeah yeah I'll give him that um but I just I think
politics as a general rule is failing and I think America has I think America feels the same
which is kind of why they've gone with someone who's not a politician
yeah I'd agree with that
Donald Trump is not a politician hands down cannot say that he has a shred of diplomacy
in him at all like there's nothing diplomatic about the bloke like if you want to go to war
with a country you make Donald Trump your ambassador to that country
you know what I mean yeah yeah like but one thing that I feel really is going to happen with America
is that they are going to become over the next four years they are going to become a very very
powerful fear-inducing nation without needing to flex their militaristic muscles
I feel like Donald Trump will do very good things in building that economical power backup for America
and they already have a very powerful military and he knows it and it's definitely a card up his
sleeve for any kind of trade deal negotiations he's got going on um but I do feel like it's one of the
last cards that he plays because it's not a language that he understands
I mean he understands making threats yeah but the the threats he he understands to make are threats
that say if you don't sign this trade deal we'll seize all your assets in America
will affect your economy you know and like we don't need to go to war with you to
squeeze you into making you sign this this treaty and I think that's where his power is
well change the subject here why do you think people have forgotten about his impeachment
I don't think it's something worth consideration given the fact that he was acquitted and I think
the only reason he was able to run again was because he was acquitted yeah
okay no that's fair
Hi
I don't know do you think do you do you think that um
do you think Trump Trump's mannerisms
um are worth politicians in this country taking notes or do you think that they are something to be universally avoided
I think he's a flash in the pan I think he is
a situation that will only happen I say only happen once obviously he got in twice but um in this context
I think he's a situation that will only happen once
and I think it's a situation that will only happen once
if you have a question about this
twice but in this context I think he's a situation that will only happen once in the respect
that he almost came in with more backing this time around after his two impeachments last
time and that's not going to happen again because he's been able to rebuild his image
very effectively and I don't think you can recreate that, you have to be Donald Trump
to do that, you know. I don't think our politicians have it in them to have that way about them,
a they're nowhere near as charismatic as Donald Trump.
I mean you put David Cameron and you put Barack Obama in the same room and it was just embarrassing.
Like Barack Obama was smooth.
Even good at table tennis.
He was just, he was the cool guy, the jock of all politicians, you know what I mean?
And English politicians don't have anything like that and they certainly don't have a
Donald Trump.
Our answer to Donald Trump is Alan Sugar and I certainly, I would not be voting for him,
no offence Alan Sugar, but I also think that Alan Sugar wouldn't try to be Prime Minister.
Do you think it's staying his box or do you think…
I think he would just go, it's definitely not what I want with my life, thank you.
We lack patriotism, we lack a sense of what is British in the way that the Americans have
their own sense of what is American and Donald Trump embodies that patriotism and they're
at a point in their development as a nation where patriotism is back in and it's in
full flight and it's needed and it's all about embracing the American way and making
as Donald Trump said, making America great again and he's come along at the right time
to deliver that message and it's a message that I feel only Donald Trump could deliver.
Yeah, I think other people could step up to the plate and try but I just, I'm not sure
they'd have the same amount of success.
No, no, and that's the thing, from a British perspective looking at America, you kind of
bite your nails and go, oh my god what's about to happen over there, but I think we did the
same thing with George Bush.
With more good reason as well, like George Bush did go to war, did create terror all
around the world, alongside the Brits.
Yeah, got us to be his little lapdog.
Yeah, well that's the way it felt anyway.
But I think we have got a very tainted perspective of America and they do of us as well and I
think it's not something that anybody should necessarily be offended by, like the media
does a very good job of painting the other people, like the American media do a good
job of painting the Brits in that light the same way that the British media do a very
good job of painting America in that light.
But I think Donald Trump will at least instill a bit of fear into the media in that they
will think twice before they start trying to paint America in that light and I think
that's what America needs.
That's a fair point.
I'm hoping, you know what, I'd love to see the next American president, I'd love to see
a nerd get in, because so far it does simply seem to be the biggest personality, you know?
Like Biden got in because...
It was almost a teddy bear, you wanted to give him a hug.
Well yeah, and he just feels like a stopgap, like what really sticks out to me about Biden's
presidency is the lack of news coverage all of a sudden that we had coming across from
America, you know?
Yeah, I think he was seen on TV unwell and then they were very careful about what TV
presentations he was doing.
I'm sure you've seen the clip of him humbling his words on screen and being quite confused.
That's not a good way to be, but to be fair a good politician can recover from that.
Like I mean George Bush Jr.
He read a book upside down.
He read a book upside down, but he also at one point was asked what other policies and
what changes are you going to make other than 9-11?
He froze, he'd forgotten all other changes that he was going to make during his presidency
and he just kept going 9-11, international terror.
And he completely budged it for like a good 30 seconds.
Nobody had written anything on his cards.
There was anything about anything but terror, a war on terror.
Nothing about public spending, nothing about personal liberties, no examples of small stuff.
He had mastered one thing and to the detriment of everything else.
Yeah, yeah.
One of the, I mean, George Bush Jr. was a wealth of quotes and I'm pretty sure if you
dig around on Google for a little while you would find a compendium of George W Bush quotes
would have you chuckling away for hours.
One of my favorite was he was in the middle of a, he was asked a political question whilst
he was stood at the T on a golf range and he answered the question in a typical George
Bush way with more deflection than anything else and then swaggered up to the T and goes
now watch this drive.
And that, every time I see George Bush I always cut back to that clip.
Now watch this drive.
Fantastic.
And I cannot take him seriously.
It's hilarious.
But you don't want your president to, as a nation you don't want your president to be
a laughing stock.
You don't want the world to be looking at your president and going oh he's that guy
that did that ha ha ha.
And it got a little bit that way with Donald Trump the first time but I think he managed
to recover in the four years that he hasn't been in office and he's come back a lot stronger
this time and a lot wiser as well.
So who can tell?
Who can tell?
My hope is that it is a positive experience not just for Americans but for the rest of
the West and for its allies.
But who can tell?
We'll see.
Yeah.
No that's fine.
Alright indeed we will see.
Well thank you very much listeners for coming along with us on this journey once again.
I hope you've enjoyed.
We will catch you in the next podcast.
That's goodbye from me.
Goodbye from me.