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This week we are covering a little bit more of an opinionated topic.
As a follow on from our health and medicine podcast that we did recently,
I want to cover how I believe money has destroyed the medicine industry and the health service in general.
Just a quick disclaimer. This is obviously James and I are both based in the UK.
Our perspective on this, despite being quite tainted, will not paint the same picture as will be seen in other places in the world.
I'm thinking of places like America where I know things are a lot more dire.
However, I think a lot of the points that we're going to cover are just as relevant, maybe not as severe or maybe twice as severe.
It's just a matter of perspective, I suppose.
As I was saying, though, it is opinion and there is a lot more conjecture in this than there has been in any previous podcast.
So do please engage in the debate with us over at the Reddit or the podcast.
You can catch the link in the description of wherever you are, what you are listening to this podcast from.
Without any further ado, let's get into the topic.
James, how do you feel about money when it concerns the health service?
So I think, unfortunately, money is a contributing factor with loads of, well, not loads of, with every single industry and with every single piece of human endeavor.
What I would say is that, unfortunately, money shows where your values lie. Somebody who claims that they care about something yet is not willing to part with any money to support it often will look like a charlatan.
I think that the small amount, well, the fact that the fact that money limits what procedures can be done in the NHS and what care our elderly relatives receive in their, yeah, in their twilight years really shows kind of a vast gap in what we say.
Money is important to us and what we actually do and what we spend our money on and what we spend our time on.
We're all guilty of this. Like, I'm guilty of this myself. I need to spend more time and place more emphasis on my direct family and I definitely need to treat my mom better.
When it comes to a society level, the fact that the NHS is always starved for money, you've got nurses going on food banks, you've got a third of all NHS staff going off with stress at one time or another, it really kind of,
it makes healthcare and the NHS generally look like things that the government use to make themselves look good rather than an actual priority or an actual fundamental aim for any, for any minister or any party within our government.
Yeah, it's absolutely fine. You are bang on the money when it comes to, like, it's very easy for new ministers to offer it as a means to get a foot in the door by saying things such as,
will increase the budgets at the NHS or will up the scope for support in mental health matters or whatever it is that their next angle. Or will ring fence the money that we're spending on the European Union.
Absolutely, yeah. Whereas when people, ultimately, when they get into power, they realise that that decision isn't really theirs to make. The budget's tied up for a number of different reasons.
Normally, it's tied up in ways that, I mean, ultimately, any kind of health sector that has a budget can never be what I like to call patient driven.
Yeah.
And if you have a free health service and it is supposed to be free to everyone, then the minute you throw a budget at that, you end up with people not being able to be seen and treated because they're not within the budget.
They're not like you think if like they're at the NHS budget, I've got the numbers here, the NHS budget is around about one hundred and sixty five billion pounds per year.
Sounds like an awful lot of money.
Sixty five percent of that budget goes on staff costs. Yeah. Ten percent of that goes on GP practices. So that's like GP visits, things like that. Now, the general public have the majority of the health care they receive is through the GP.
And for the entire budget for the GP service in the UK alone to be sixteen point five billion pounds, you can see why it's so difficult to get an appointment when you have an ailment.
The budget is so low, there's not enough doctors.
There's not enough time.
The populace per health service or GP service for people to get an appointment.
It's incredible that when you have, as I said, when you have a budget, it limits how you approach your, if you say, for example, you have fifty quid and that is your budget to pay for everybody's lunch.
But you've got seventy five people coming for lunch and each person's lunch is going to cost you a pound. There are twenty five people that are going to have to wait till the next time you get your fifty quid in order to have lunch.
I'm using it as a bad analogy, but you get the idea.
The budget is what limits the NHS. It's what limits the health service.
The minute you use money, the free health service isn't a free health service. There has to be questions asked of who takes priority.
I'm not sure that was the aim when a free health service was offered.
I mean, it's got to a point where I've considered taking our health insurance and going private in order to be seen by the GP or in order to get like a real, what's the word, a health check, which I know where my little niggles and qualms will be looked at.
Taken seriously.
Yeah, consultation, I think is the term.
Exactly.
Yeah, no, it's something I'm actually considering myself with a couple of health things where I've tried to go through the NHS and I've just felt palmed off. I've been told to Google it.
I've been told with a number of health issues to make a lifestyle change and there are there is, you know, to a point.
That's fair enough. But some of the stuff that I'm I currently have, which I won't go into too much detail.
It's not the sort of thing where a small lifestyle change is going to reverse the effects and it just kind of feels unreal and like the doctor isn't taking my concerns seriously.
Absolutely.
I think that's a lot of a lot of the feeling in general with a lot of people I talk to, they get either palmed off or they get fobbed off with a certain medication to just like treat the symptoms, not fix the problem.
And you don't feel like you're being looked after.
You don't feel like you're being taken seriously.
For example, one of my friends had gout and a lot of the problem with gout is diet.
However, there is immediate treatment that can be given.
They weren't able to get the treatment because they couldn't get an appointment with the doctor. So what they had to do was essentially combat the gout themselves.
And when I say they couldn't get an appointment with the doctor, I mean, they would phone first thing in the morning.
And by the time they got through, because I don't know if you tried to get a doctor's appointment recently, but the phones are always off the hook from the minute they come on.
By the time he would get through, by the time he got through, the appointments for that day were gone and he was told you have to call back tomorrow.
Now, I will be the first to point out that this particular friend isn't the most driven of people.
And what he actually felt from that was that what's the bloody point? Why should I bother? And he didn't follow up the next day.
But that's the problem, isn't it? Mental health is a big thing.
And people do have to be a lot more careful about the way they go about things.
But it's like the budget for the health service, the lack of appointments and the lack of facility is making the situation worse.
Yeah, I'll completely agree with that.
Yeah, like, I guess it's just the truth of the matter is it doesn't feel holistic or it doesn't feel, you know, patient driven, as you said.
It you do feel like just a number in the machine.
But like, I think what I was wondering is when it comes to what is the treatment, I guess, for gout?
Like, what would I know?
But then you've got like fungal steroid creams and stuff like that that will be given to kind of help the assist the healing of the sores and things that pop up.
Oh, OK. All right.
And what happened with your friend? Did he just, I mean, was in pain for an extended period of time, but then his changes, the changes to his diet eventually?
Instead of it being assisted by medication, which would have sped up the healing process, obviously, he would have had to have made the dietary changes anyway, which he was planning to do.
And it would have sped up the healing process to a matter of two weeks to a month instead of six months that it took for the entire process to go away in the end.
And that's if you have the ability to actually get over the ailment you've got.
Like, I've got I've got a little story which I will I will go over now. There's there's I can't remember who it was, but there was a guy in in Iceland.
Now, I don't know if you know, but the the population in Iceland is a bit smaller than that of the UK.
Yes, isn't it? Isn't that only quarter of a million people in Reykjavik?
There's a few. Yeah, there's a few less than obviously the 7.4 million that are in the UK.
In London, sorry, in London.
So there's 74 people.
So that was over 10 years ago that I got that fact. So it might very well be wrong.
Sorry, you go.
There might be 10 or 20 more people. Yeah.
I mean, in London, there's 7.4 million people. There's 10 percent of the entire population of the UK, I believe, in London, which I think is a ridiculous, ridiculous stat.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make in the UK, you go for a health check on let's start off with something as simple as a sore bottom.
You go to go for a health check on the sore bottom.
You struggle to get a doctor appointment, takes you three days to get a doctor appointment.
The doctor checks your bottom and hypothetically speaking, is concerned about a swelling of your prostate, for example.
OK, you then get put on a waiting list to get it scanned.
That can take up to six to eight weeks for that scan, just to check a bit of inflammation.
Now, once you've had that scan, you then got to wait another two weeks for your scan results.
And once they found the they've agreed there is swelling there and it is worth a biopsy, then you've got another six to eight weeks waiting for an appointment to go in and have a biopsy done of this swelling on your prostate.
Then another two weeks passes after that time.
And whilst they're waiting for the test results to come in.
And you see where I'm going here.
And then you got to wait another four to five days to go and see the GP to check in on what the what the biopsy returned, what the test results returned.
And at that point, hypothetically speaking, you either get diagnosed with something like cancer or you don't.
OK, that's taken best part four months.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, it goes to the doctor in Iceland for a similar condition.
Might have been a lady actually. I think it was a lady.
Went into the doctor for a similar condition and the doctor went.
Yep. Don't like that. Bear in mind, I literally got an appointment that day.
So went into the doctor. Didn't like this bit of swelling.
Doctor went, no, I don't like that either. Can you go and get this seen to you need to go and have a scan?
Lady goes, yeah, sure. What do you do? Put me on a waiting list.
No, no, no, no. Take this letter. Go to the hospital.
They'll scan you. So later that day, she goes into the hospital.
She gets a letter, gives it under the desk, goes and has her scan.
They go. Don't like that.
We're going to take a biopsy whilst you're there.
Just stay there. We'll get the other doctor in. They'll take a biopsy.
Takes the biopsy.
They go, OK, we've got to test it.
Couple of days, we'll give you a call.
Couple of days, literally two days later, biopsy results are back.
It is cancer. We need to operate.
She goes, OK, what happens now? Do I wait on a waiting list?
They go, no. Come into the hospital. Get ready.
We will put you under the knife.
Two days after she's been at the GP,
she knows she's got cancer and she's going to have it operated on
in Iceland.
Just that time to act is enough to save lives in itself.
The time of inaction in the UK renders more people unable to survive their conditions
than it does anywhere else.
I think there are places around the world that have the same problem
where you could essentially diagnose yourself with,
or not diagnose yourself, but you could essentially find a lump
or something like that, potentially be around stage one of cancer.
By the time you're actually diagnosed with cancer,
it's stage two or stage three because it's aggressive.
And that was the waiting around that caused that loss of time,
that loss of ability to combat it.
And that is heavily influenced by money and the lack of facility
and the lack of resources.
Is the system in Iceland private?
I can actually, I will look that up for you because I don't want to give you the wrong information.
Does Iceland have...
State funded.
After you've legally resided for six months,
you automatically become a member of the Icelandic social insurance system.
You need to pay patient contributions directly towards the cost of your health.
You'll pay patient contributions, but not the entire cost of your health care.
Wow.
Okay. And that, I also love it as well, as like, as long as you're residing there within six months.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't need to be a national.
Yeah.
It's almost crazy to think.
Yeah.
It does work, but obviously Iceland is a niche situation.
The populace is on lower.
The ability to act is higher because you're dealing with a lot less cases on a regular basis.
I can't help but think that budget does have a high influence on the speed and turnaround of conditions.
Not to mention the fact, this is where it's going to get a bit more conjecture driven.
Not to mention the fact that pharmaceutical companies are a lot of the reason why conditions are sustained and not cured,
because they are a business.
They make money off of people being sick.
And it sickens me to hear that the average cost in drugs or Parkinson's disease annually is 3.8 billion pounds.
That's 3.8 billion pounds paid to a private company, private companies, for just the medications to sustain Parkinson's disease in sufferers.
Bear in mind that the average life expectancy of a person diagnosed with Parkinson's is 20 years.
That's 3.8 billion pounds annually.
There are around about I think there's 115,000 Parkinson's sufferers in the UK.
Wait, so the billion pounds is sorry, what does that buy?
That buys their drugs.
What are those drugs made from?
Carbidopa and levodopa are the main symptoms, symptom combatants.
So the carbidopa and levodopa are the current primary treatment for Parkinson's disease.
However, and this is proven in studies, but we'll cover reasons why in a moment MDMA is proved to have reversing effects on Parkinson's,
and not just on Parkinson's symptoms, but it also kind of bypasses the reason why Parkinson's exists in the body.
It's like a dopamine receptors stop working essentially.
So MDMA almost finds an alternative route for an alternative source of dopamine,
which allows the lockdown of the body to slow up and freedom of movement to increase.
Obviously there are issues with using MDMA to treat Parkinson's.
It is a heavy stimulant and it can run the risk.
You can run the risk of wearing the brain out a lot quicker.
For example, you could end up with dementia a lot younger in age, but this is studies in their infancy,
which have been stopped because ultimately there's one drug you give a Parkinson's sufferer and you can't make money off of that.
Carbidopa and levodopa are normally given to a Parkinson's sufferer at the same time.
Because they're so aggressive, you need five or six counter medications to combat the symptoms or the side effects of the carbidopa and the levodopa.
So just one Parkinson's sufferer is taking seven or eight medications per day, numerous times a day, in order to live with their condition.
You take all that away and just give them one drug.
I personally would absolutely.
However, the people that are the ones calling the shots on the research are the pharmaceutical companies.
They're the ones that make the money on the seven drugs, not the one.
So why would they make a wonder cure?
Exactly. Once again, I know it's MDMA.
Don't get me wrong. I know it's ecstasy.
And I know that it's an aggressive form of treatment. But as I said, it was also studies in their infancy that provided ridiculously good results.
You'd need to develop that drug into something that was safer, not something that is going to wear the brain out a lot quicker and cause early onset of dementia and things like this.
Although I will say I've spoken with a number of people used to work in the health sector in the elderly care sector.
I've spoken with a number of people that have suffered with Parkinson's.
And I think they would take treatment of their condition and without the side effects of the carbidopa and the levodopa.
If the side effects of the drug they were having was the potential risk of the early onset of dementia.
They were already old. 20 years of living with that condition, they were done with it.
But there's another thing, of course, as well.
It's not the only condition where there is potentially a wonder cure.
Mental health is something that I quite often preach on about.
And it is so important that people take mental health seriously because it's the unseen illness.
People are quite easily missed, even though they could be quite severely sick.
Now, did you know that psilocybin, I don't know if you know what psilocybin is.
No, it sounds like a storage container of some kind. What is it in truth?
Psilocybin is the hallucinogenic drug that is found in magic mushrooms.
Okay.
Right.
So psilocybin has been proven to cure depression and anxiety.
Now, it's not just psilocybin.
I don't know if you've heard of the drug ayahuasca.
It's used in South America. It's quite a heavy hallucinogenic.
The incredible thing about these hallucinogenics is what they essentially do is they strip away your brain's ability to be suppressed by propaganda.
And it's propaganda that you can provoke yourself into believing.
It's the shit that you see. You're constantly being lied to and stuff like that.
You will see through it.
And that allows you to look past the reasons why you take drugs, what the reasons why you feel depressed and you just stop being depressed.
Important side note, and this is once again something that I need to point out, it can have the complete opposite effect.
If you are egotistical, potentially narcissistic or have narcissistic tendencies, then when you have that sense of freedom from propaganda, you're basically stripping your own life back to realizing that you're not everything you make yourself out to be.
And that can have the complete opposite effect that can send you on a depressive spiral.
Because all of a sudden you're not this uber fantastic person that you thought you were.
You realize that you're just you.
Reality is, you're just you.
And that can have quite serious adverse effects.
So no, it's not a wonder drug.
It's not a super cure, but it can and has been proven to cure depression and anxiety.
Why aren't we looking at that?
It's illegal.
You're not allowed to do them.
Wait, what?
You're not allowed to do these drugs.
You're not allowed to do these hallucinogenics.
You're not allowed magic mushrooms.
Magic mushrooms are illegal.
Ayahuasca, highly illegal in 90% of countries around the world.
Not allowed them.
That is making me wonder whether.
Yeah, yeah, that's just entirely questionable.
You can't hold things back for the sake of a profit.
Like, I realize people do it all the time and I realize although patterns allow the inventor of a new thing to profit from it,
they also hold things back like I had a room.
I'm not sure if whether you can confirm this or not.
Don't Phillips hold the pattern for the everlasting light bulb?
It wouldn't surprise me.
There's a number of things that have existed that have been shot down,
should we say, because they could have if you had the story about the bloke in the 80s who made a car that ran on water.
That sounds amazing.
It was amazing.
And the issue and I think I can point to Dr.
Stephen Greer here, he mentions in a lot of the work that he does that if somebody had the confidence to just make one of these inventions open source,
then there would be no chance for them to be targeted.
The problem is 90% of the time when these inventions are made, people want their slice of the pie.
They don't want it to be free.
They want to make their millions and because they want to make their millions,
they hold it so close to their chest and don't let anybody in their secret that all it takes is for them to be killed.
And that secret is lost.
And that's precisely what happened with this bloke.
You can look it up.
It does exist out there.
Have a look at it.
The car that ran on water.
Don't just take my word for it.
The bloke went to have a business meeting in a diner and then died after the business or after even after the business meeting.
He ran out of the diner choking and his last words were he they poisoned me and he was killed.
And the I believe the blokes that he was going to see were to do with a big oil company or something that wanted to pay him for his invention.
But he was driving this car around, driving this car around America for two or three months before he was killed.
He was on the news.
There's news articles.
There's magazine articles and stuff on this bloke.
And then he's just killed.
You think the multi-billion pound petrol and diesel industry gone in a second just because you can run your car on water?
Essentially, it used a converter that took water and it split the water and pumped out the oxygen out the exhaust.
And then it pulled the hydrogen and ran on the hydrogen.
It literally used like an electrolytic separator to pull apart the H2O into oxygen molecules and hydrogen molecules.
Use the hydrogen to run the engine and pump the oxygen out the back of the exhaust.
That literally sounds incredible and it's crazy to think that such a thing has been invented in our time and has been blocked.
Well, you look at what happened with Tesla as well.
Nicholas Tesla was working on his Tesla tower.
I don't know if you ever heard about this.
He was funded by a chap in America whilst he was doing all of his research at the same time as Edison was doing his research.
Now, you know why Tesla didn't succeed in the way that Edison did succeed?
Funding got pulled.
Funding did get pulled.
Very good reason why his funding got pulled.
Tesla was working on wireless energy.
His Tesla tower, the Tesla tower, it was a means to pull energy out of the atmosphere.
The electrostatic energy in the atmosphere was a means to tap into that and power things remotely.
The problem is the bloke that funded his research was the biggest, I fucking love this, the biggest supplier of copper wire in America.
And he went, wait, what? No, pulled his money.
Hmm.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Like you're gonna.
It makes sense, but it also doesn't make sense.
Like you, because if you are, if you make yourself redundant, you're going redundant on your terms, you know.
So it gives you the chance to roll with the punches because it's your punch.
So you control how hard it is.
You control where it's hitting.
You know, you control whether it's curved or not.
This Hollywood mentality, it doesn't exist in businessman.
This whole, you look at Tony Stark, you know.
Tony Stark literally is the embodiment of Nikola Tesla.
And designs a power source that could power the entire country, the entire country in America.
And what he does is he goes, yeah, fine, we've got this.
What I'm going to do instead is I'm going to make other means to make money and I'm going to branch out in other industries and do other things.
And I'm not going to be purely reliant on what I used to be reliant on.
But that's not how business works.
But the bloke that funded Tesla, when I make money on copper wire, I don't want to have to give up this business, which makes me millions and millions of pounds or millions and millions of dollars every year.
And I don't want to have to change the way that I do things to carry on making loads of money.
And so he just stopped the problem before it became a thing.
In itself is just worrying.
But let's get back on topic.
So the point that we were making was that.
So what cures have been blocked by this sort of pattern thing?
Like, do you mind if I don't know, do you want to do you want to name a health condition and I'll like guess whether it's whether there's there was a miracle cure which has been blocked or not or anything along those lines or.
I mean, okay, yeah, fine.
Let's go.
And let's go epilepsy first off.
Oh, dear God, please don't tell me there's a cure for that.
A really good friend of mine has that and she's got it real bad.
Okay, so in Australia in a place called Nimbian.
This has got a lot of a lot of publicity recently actually a lot of the reason why they've had to review the cannabis laws in this country is because a kid of I think 14 and went to America and was being treated for epilepsy with cannabis and it changed his life.
He was able to have a normal life and essentially fit free through the use of medicinal cannabis.
And the reason I said in Nimbian in Australia is because that's where this research originated.
There's a bloke in Nimbian who has been treating people with epilepsy with cannabis oil for 20 years.
You can go there and he will make you a cannabis tincture.
Like cannabis oil, which you can prescribe to yourself or you can give to your loved ones, whoever's got the condition really. You've got to remember that epilepsy sufferers, they live on a multitude of drugs.
Heavy epilepsy sufferers are on sodium valparate. They're on numerous different other tablets and sodium valparate is a liquid. They've got a number of different tablets. Quite often the side effects of sodium valparate need three or four different drugs to go with them like an omeprazole or something like that.
To kind of counteract the overproduction of bile in the stomach that's caused by taking the medications. The lack of hunger needs a hunger inhibitor, shall we say.
So like normally like a metazapine or something like that, which itself is a sedative. So then you need a count sedative to like a caffeine tablet or something like that in order to stimulate to try and keep you awake.
Not to mention the fact that sodium valparate is really, really drowsy and the condition itself is really tiring having all those fits all the time and it doesn't even stop you from having all the fits.
All of those drugs and you still seize.
And yet medical cannabis has been proven to stop seizures to nearly zero percent.
It almost completely stopped seizures. There was a young lad who went to Nimbin. He was having over a hundred seizures per week and he started taking cannabis oil and his first seizure after taking cannabis oil was six months after having taken cannabis oil or continually taking cannabis oil.
And it was most likely because he was poorly and therefore was unable to keep his cannabis oil in his system. So yeah, there is a wonder cure for epilepsy and it is something that is illegal.
That's really frustrating to hear.
Yeah, I've got a little bit of story time with Nick.
I'm happy to hear it.
I want to go over now. This is a story which I at the time when it first came about, I can remember the news story because it's quite prevalent.
It's one of those that you never really forget once you've heard it.
There's a chap in America called Ash Michael Hyde. He was a young lad of a year and about nine months old and he started to have, he was like being really sicky.
He was really dizzy, falling asleep all the time, like more so than a young 18 month old baby does, you know, 18 months, 21 month old baby does.
But he was poorly, really poorly and his dad went, no enough of this. I'm going to take him to the doctor, took him into the doctor and he was diagnosed with a cancerous brain tumor, which was wrapped around his optic nerve measuring 4.5 centimeters.
Pretty much immediately doctors performed brain surgery. However, unfortunately they could only remove 10% of his, of his tumor, which meant that they had to put him through the only prescribed treatment for cancer chemotherapy.
He had four bouts of chemo, then he had four bouts of stem cell rescue and then four bouts of hydrochemo.
And this chemotherapy that he was being treated with caused massive seizures, pretty much lifeless. He was really poorly. He was in hospital nearly all the time. He got a blood infection and actually went into septic shock, ended up in ICU.
This is all before his second birthday. And he had a really, really bad time of things. He was pretty much on his deathbed. He didn't eat for 40 days. He was peg fed.
And during this period, whilst he was on the chemotherapy, the doctors had prescribed about five or six medications, meaning that he was taking around about, this is a two year old baby, around about 120 milligrams of five different drugs every day to combat the side effects of chemotherapy.
He was, as I said, he was unable to eat. He didn't eat for 40 days. And they were pretty much signing him off. His dad was being told like, you need to be prepared that he's probably not going to pull through this.
And it wasn't because the cancer was killing him. It was because the chemotherapy was killing him.
So messed up. Although I know that. As much as the chemotherapy was doing its job on the cancer, it was also killing this poorly little boy.
And eventually the doctor, the dad managed to talk the doctors into taking him off his five counter medications.
And instead started putting cannabis oil in his feeding tube, only a couple of drops every day.
His dad's words were, it was almost instantaneous. The change was nearly instant. He was able to sit up. He started wanting to eat.
He genuinely turned around through, and it was because the symptoms, the side effects of the chemotherapy were purely being combated by the cannabis oil.
And it gave him the ability to last through the chemotherapy.
Five, I think five months after, no two months after his cannabis oil treatment was begun.
He was pronounced cancer free and is now living a normal life.
A chance which was only given to him by his dad's big brass bollocks taking the opportunity and going, I'll do it my way.
And he gave him cannabis oil. Now he was, he said himself, I didn't want necessarily to cure my son.
I wanted him to not be suffering in the way that he was. The aim wasn't to cure him.
And it's important to note the chemotherapy did kill his cancer.
But it would have also killed him if he didn't give him the cannabis oil. So it wouldn't have cured the boy. It would have killed him.
So why were they giving him five counter medications which weren't working when there was a medication that did work? Because it's illegal.
The interesting thing is the news article, not the news article, the news clip, the show that covered this story,
tried to get a professional's perspective on the side effects of cannabis in order to give the counter argument to the dad's argument of why he gave the medication.
No doctors would even discuss the topic with the news company. They didn't want to talk about the effects of cannabis in the treatment of cancer and the side effects of medications, etc.
None of them would. They wouldn't even argue against its use. They just wouldn't argue.
And it's important also to note that this dad never once mentioned to these doctors what he was doing by giving this kid this cannabis.
Because he was terrified that the doctors would take it away and not allow him to have it. And he was terrified that he would be arrested.
That's a great, that's crazy to think. Like just so many things there.
He's two years old. Wouldn't you, what does the Hippocratic oath say?
I swear to fulfill the best of my ability and judgment this covenant, I will respect the hard work. I will apply for the benefits of the sick all measures that are required, avoiding those twin traps of over treatment and therapeutic nihilism.
That in itself is exactly what is going on in the health service because money exists.
You end up with people not being cured. The aim is not to cure a person of a condition. The aim is to get people to live with their conditions.
That is often the way it feels nowadays when I go to the GP.
Yeah. Do you have any ideas on how we go about changing this? How we go about reversing the crawl of history, the rolling of the cogs as it were? Like how do we stop the NHS becoming more obsessed with costs and costs until it's a shop window?
Unfortunately, as long as money exists and as long as, I mean the only way we can really take it back is if we have a state owned pharmaceutical company, or pharmaceutical of the government, I suppose.
In the same way that you could take away the, if you look at, let's go transport in Italy. Transport in Italy is so much cheaper because it's state owned.
It's all part of the state budget. So the costs are allowed to be a lot cheaper. If the drugs being prescribed were state owned, then the treatment would be a lot cheaper.
And the government wouldn't be aiming to make a penny off of it. They want to be spending less money. So they want to be giving less drugs. They want the right drug for the right job. Yeah.
Yeah, makes sense.
So if you, if you're not going to get rid of money, then we need to take control of the situation as a country and not privatise it. The minute you privatise anything, it's about profit.
And I know that people in America with their privatised healthcare will feel the same way. The private healthcare, it quite often renders people unable to be treated because they can't afford it.
That's not what the world should be about. That's not what the health service was for.
We want to go down the same road where everything's privatised and we end up with people unable to be treated for conditions that should just be able to be fixed.
We want our conditions to have to, to be sustained by drugs in order to continue to make people money.
You know that the average cancer sufferer is worth, where's the, where's the, where's the, where's the, it was worth about seven and a half thousand pounds worth of drugs given to each individual cancer sufferer per week in the UK.
Cancer sufferer per week, seven and a half thousand pounds.
That's far more than the rest of their care put together, isn't it?
Well, you think of the financial impact of cancer anyway, the person's not able, like barely able to work by the time.
It's like you're looking at stage three, you're looking at the person's unable to bring in any money to the household, you're paying for nurses to come and visit or like care workers to come and support the person or you have to do it yourself, which means you yourself have to take time off and you're getting less money into the household.
So the financial impact is already high enough and then you turn it into a profit based, a profit based exercise where you want to sustain their condition for as long as possible and also make as much money as milk, milk that cow for as long as you possibly can.
You know?
That's not the right way to be because that's not, yeah, that's not a healed individual and that's not a sold medicine with the idea of it improving the life of the individual.
That's just about making money for the owner of the things they've told this person that she needs in order to feel sophisticated or in order to have a certain type of Sunday or have certain interactions with people on a Sunday.
Absolutely.
Oh dear.
Okay, so epilepsy,
some forms of cancer.
What other, yeah, what other common diseases are we currently suffering with when a cure has already been discovered?
Even certain forms of dementia have been proven to be reversed by the use of weaker forms of ecstasy.
MDMA has been proven to refire dormant brain cells and reverse the effects of dementia in Alzheimer's sufferers and other conditions.
Okay, well those are some huge ones there.
The thing that sickens me the most though, is that these drugs are illegal, and I believe in some of the reasons why they are illegal.
But if alcohol is legal,
with how much damage that does,
and smoking is legal with how much damage that does,
then why are they not?
It's just, it's a good,
it's a good question and although I'd love to,
I wish there was some kinds of censor call answer other than money as to why these conditions haven't been cured.
I think that I know that there are countries where cannabis has been legalized in some cases for medicine.
Yeah, in this country, in this country, you can get medical cannabis prescriptions.
You do have to be assessed heavily for, to qualify for cannabis as a medication.
And I believe that if it was going to be legalized, that it should be along those lines where you have to attain the right level.
Prove yourself.
Not necessarily prove yourself, but there's certain awarenesses that need to be, as far as the health sector, have you got an addictive personality, which isn't even looked at now when it comes to things like codeine and cocodemol.
Why is your personality not analyzed before your prescribed codeine?
I've got a friend who's quite addictive in his mentality. He's got conditions that, mental health conditions that make it so.
And yet he will be prescribed stuff like codeine for pain and then he'll end up hooked on the codeine because of the high it gives him.
So, like what the whole thing needs to be looked at differently. I'm like, the system itself is flawed.
And if you reintroduce, if you just legalize the drugs as they are, as the situation is, then it would go wrong.
What I'm not saying that they need to be, they need to be legalized and nothing else needs to change.
I'm saying it needs to be legalized and there needs to be safeguards in place. But I can't help but believe that if you took away the illegality of these drugs, the thrill of doing it would wear off for a lot of people.
And it wouldn't be such a recreational thing.
Like, I know Red Bull sits in these shop windows and in the drinks fridge.
And I know that I can get incredibly high, shall we say, like energy boost from drinking it.
Just because I know I can doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and do it. I could eat an entire packet of Pro Plus and like bounce off the walls for four hours.
But I don't. To be honest, I could eat a bag of jelly beans and I could end up with a sugar high for half an hour.
But I don't because that's not what life is about.
You know, I think if drugs were legalized, people would be educated differently about them.
I know when I went up, when I was growing up and I was in school, they just generally went, well drugs are bad. Drugs are bad, don't do drugs.
How about this is what drugs do. This is what you can expect of drugs.
This is the effects that they have. This is the side effects that they have.
And this is why they're not really a good thing.
But if you do find yourself in a situation where you are under the influence of those drugs, here's how you can combat it.
Here's how you can keep yourself safe.
None of that exists.
The system itself is highly flawed and money is at the bottom of a lot of it.
And it's not just the health sector. A lot of the way the world works is highly flawed.
But today we're covering the health sector. So let's finish on that.
Yeah, I think I've, as I said, I've put my argument across to the best of my ability.
But once again, I reiterate the fact that it is conjecture. It is opinion.
If you do have a counter opinion, please do come to the Reddit and pose your counter argument.
Get on board. Give us a debate here.
I am not trying to tell you that I'm right and everybody else is wrong.
I'm just giving my perspective. How do you feel on it, James?
I mean, I'm wondering if there's any other countries which have a...
Well, obviously Iceland has a better system.
What other countries do you feel have a better system than ours?
And which ones would you say have a worse system than ours?
I think America has got a much worse system than ours because everything's privatized.
However, it works better in the fact that if you have a condition, you get treated.
It just costs you the earth to do so.
Yeah, when you get out of that building, you're hit with a bill and you kind of makes you wish you were.
Yeah, I mean, it renders you completely helpless financially.
I think I don't know many countries that do have a good health service.
Because a lot of it is still profit led.
So would you say that capitalism inhibits health care?
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
All right. I know that in America, isn't medical debt like...
I think it's... You know what? I'm going to double check this fact now.
Isn't medical debt like one of the second biggest causes of...
Yeah, the second biggest causes of bankruptcy in America?
Most likely.
I'm just going to look this up, double check my facts.
Yep, that's it.
It's the second, second biggest cause.
Oh dear.
Yeah, medical conditions and long term medical issues.
Yeah. I mean, giving birth, bringing a new human being into the world in America will cost on average $19,000.
Yeah, so if you're a lower income family or if you're just...
If you don't have a solid and stable source of income.
Yeah, like how do you deal with that?
And that's literally just giving birth.
That's not living with a condition like cancer or Parkinson's.
Yeah, that's a natural kind of...
No, I will say it.
Although, you know, whether it should be or not, that's a fundamental human right.
Like, and that's 19,000.
Oh dear. Right.
I'm sorry I've been quiet in this one.
I've needed to do a bit more medication and I'm fortunate.
I'm sorry, I need to do a bit more research and I've for some reason, tiredness has just hit me whilst I've been listening to these partly due to just the depressing nature of kind of what's going on here and the fact that so many things can be resolved or so many things can be resolved and just currently aren't.
You've made a lot of good points there, Nick, and you've definitely...
Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm a bad example because I am easily convinced by people by just by listening but
Yeah, you've convinced me like it seems like the modern medical apparatus doesn't serve the people in as much as it serves the board members who set them up in the first place and although a lot of people won't be surprised by that, I genuinely am.
Alright, sorry. Do you have a fun fact to end us on? I'm sorry, I've got, of course, you were signing off and I've just made you go sideways there. Apologies.
I don't have a fun fact to end on. However, I do have a reiteration of the fact that as much as we accept the fact that money exists, it doesn't have to.
It doesn't have to and we can choose as a people for it not to. It will take time.
But being on board with it is what will allow you to accept that things can be different and that in turn will pave the way for you to be able to make that change.
Like the system itself is in a state of collapse anyway. When it collapses, let's make the choice to change to a different kind of system. One that doesn't rely on money. One that doesn't rely on bartering of any kind.
Let's go across to a system which relies on whether or not the resource is even available and if it is, why not?
That's the situation that we should be looking at right now, especially with the interconnectivity of the entire world.
There's no reason to keep the chips to yourself anymore.
On that note, everybody have good weeks and we'll be back in a couple of weeks time. Take care guys.
Thank you.