1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Hi, Nick here from Pods with Nick and James. Just a quick one before we get into this podcast. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:12,000 I want to say a massive thank you for the support that we've received since starting these podcasts. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000 We thoroughly enjoy it and we look forward to creating more. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:23,000 If you want to have your say on any topics that we've discussed or suggest future topics, 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:35,000 then you can do so at www.reddit.com.com.uk and if you want to support us, you can do so from as little as £1 a month. 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:54,000 You can do that at www.patreon.com.uk. Anyway, back to the podcast. 7 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Hello and welcome back to Pods with Nick and James. I'm Nick. This is James. 8 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Hey there. 9 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:24,000 This week we are covering a little bit more of an opinionated topic. 10 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:30,000 As a follow on from our health and medicine podcast that we did recently, 11 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I want to cover how I believe money has destroyed the medicine industry and the health service in general. 12 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Just a quick disclaimer. This is obviously James and I are both based in the UK. 13 00:01:50,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Our perspective on this, despite being quite tainted, will not paint the same picture as will be seen in other places in the world. 14 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,000 I'm thinking of places like America where I know things are a lot more dire. 15 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:20,000 However, I think a lot of the points that we're going to cover are just as relevant, maybe not as severe or maybe twice as severe. 16 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 It's just a matter of perspective, I suppose. 17 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:32,000 As I was saying, though, it is opinion and there is a lot more conjecture in this than there has been in any previous podcast. 18 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:42,000 So do please engage in the debate with us over at the Reddit or the podcast. 19 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:49,000 You can catch the link in the description of wherever you are, what you are listening to this podcast from. 20 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Without any further ado, let's get into the topic. 21 00:02:52,000 --> 00:03:00,000 James, how do you feel about money when it concerns the health service? 22 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:16,000 So I think, unfortunately, money is a contributing factor with loads of, well, not loads of, with every single industry and with every single piece of human endeavor. 23 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:35,000 What I would say is that, unfortunately, money shows where your values lie. Somebody who claims that they care about something yet is not willing to part with any money to support it often will look like a charlatan. 24 00:03:35,000 --> 00:04:04,000 I think that the small amount, well, the fact that the fact that money limits what procedures can be done in the NHS and what care our elderly relatives receive in their, yeah, in their twilight years really shows kind of a vast gap in what we say. 25 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Money is important to us and what we actually do and what we spend our money on and what we spend our time on. 26 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:30,000 We're all guilty of this. Like, I'm guilty of this myself. I need to spend more time and place more emphasis on my direct family and I definitely need to treat my mom better. 27 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:51,000 When it comes to a society level, the fact that the NHS is always starved for money, you've got nurses going on food banks, you've got a third of all NHS staff going off with stress at one time or another, it really kind of, 28 00:04:51,000 --> 00:05:18,000 it makes healthcare and the NHS generally look like things that the government use to make themselves look good rather than an actual priority or an actual fundamental aim for any, for any minister or any party within our government. 29 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Yeah, it's absolutely fine. You are bang on the money when it comes to, like, it's very easy for new ministers to offer it as a means to get a foot in the door by saying things such as, 30 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:49,000 will increase the budgets at the NHS or will up the scope for support in mental health matters or whatever it is that their next angle. Or will ring fence the money that we're spending on the European Union. 31 00:05:49,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Absolutely, yeah. Whereas when people, ultimately, when they get into power, they realise that that decision isn't really theirs to make. The budget's tied up for a number of different reasons. 32 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Normally, it's tied up in ways that, I mean, ultimately, any kind of health sector that has a budget can never be what I like to call patient driven. 33 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Yeah. 34 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:46,000 And if you have a free health service and it is supposed to be free to everyone, then the minute you throw a budget at that, you end up with people not being able to be seen and treated because they're not within the budget. 35 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:58,000 They're not like you think if like they're at the NHS budget, I've got the numbers here, the NHS budget is around about one hundred and sixty five billion pounds per year. 36 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Sounds like an awful lot of money. 37 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Sixty five percent of that budget goes on staff costs. Yeah. Ten percent of that goes on GP practices. So that's like GP visits, things like that. Now, the general public have the majority of the health care they receive is through the GP. 38 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:39,000 And for the entire budget for the GP service in the UK alone to be sixteen point five billion pounds, you can see why it's so difficult to get an appointment when you have an ailment. 39 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 The budget is so low, there's not enough doctors. 40 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 There's not enough time. 41 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:59,000 The populace per health service or GP service for people to get an appointment. 42 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:17,000 It's incredible that when you have, as I said, when you have a budget, it limits how you approach your, if you say, for example, you have fifty quid and that is your budget to pay for everybody's lunch. 43 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:32,000 But you've got seventy five people coming for lunch and each person's lunch is going to cost you a pound. There are twenty five people that are going to have to wait till the next time you get your fifty quid in order to have lunch. 44 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 I'm using it as a bad analogy, but you get the idea. 45 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,000 The budget is what limits the NHS. It's what limits the health service. 46 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:52,000 The minute you use money, the free health service isn't a free health service. There has to be questions asked of who takes priority. 47 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,000 I'm not sure that was the aim when a free health service was offered. 48 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:19,000 I mean, it's got to a point where I've considered taking our health insurance and going private in order to be seen by the GP or in order to get like a real, what's the word, a health check, which I know where my little niggles and qualms will be looked at. 49 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Taken seriously. 50 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Yeah, consultation, I think is the term. 51 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Exactly. 52 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Yeah, no, it's something I'm actually considering myself with a couple of health things where I've tried to go through the NHS and I've just felt palmed off. I've been told to Google it. 53 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:52,000 I've been told with a number of health issues to make a lifestyle change and there are there is, you know, to a point. 54 00:09:52,000 --> 00:10:00,000 That's fair enough. But some of the stuff that I'm I currently have, which I won't go into too much detail. 55 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:20,000 It's not the sort of thing where a small lifestyle change is going to reverse the effects and it just kind of feels unreal and like the doctor isn't taking my concerns seriously. 56 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Absolutely. 57 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:42,000 I think that's a lot of a lot of the feeling in general with a lot of people I talk to, they get either palmed off or they get fobbed off with a certain medication to just like treat the symptoms, not fix the problem. 58 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,000 And you don't feel like you're being looked after. 59 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 You don't feel like you're being taken seriously. 60 00:10:52,000 --> 00:11:01,000 For example, one of my friends had gout and a lot of the problem with gout is diet. 61 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:08,000 However, there is immediate treatment that can be given. 62 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:20,000 They weren't able to get the treatment because they couldn't get an appointment with the doctor. So what they had to do was essentially combat the gout themselves. 63 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:28,000 And when I say they couldn't get an appointment with the doctor, I mean, they would phone first thing in the morning. 64 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:37,000 And by the time they got through, because I don't know if you tried to get a doctor's appointment recently, but the phones are always off the hook from the minute they come on. 65 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:49,000 By the time he would get through, by the time he got through, the appointments for that day were gone and he was told you have to call back tomorrow. 66 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Now, I will be the first to point out that this particular friend isn't the most driven of people. 67 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And what he actually felt from that was that what's the bloody point? Why should I bother? And he didn't follow up the next day. 68 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,000 But that's the problem, isn't it? Mental health is a big thing. 69 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:18,000 And people do have to be a lot more careful about the way they go about things. 70 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:34,000 But it's like the budget for the health service, the lack of appointments and the lack of facility is making the situation worse. 71 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Yeah, I'll completely agree with that. 72 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Yeah, like, I guess it's just the truth of the matter is it doesn't feel holistic or it doesn't feel, you know, patient driven, as you said. 73 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,000 It you do feel like just a number in the machine. 74 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:10,000 But like, I think what I was wondering is when it comes to what is the treatment, I guess, for gout? 75 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Like, what would I know? 76 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:25,000 But then you've got like fungal steroid creams and stuff like that that will be given to kind of help the assist the healing of the sores and things that pop up. 77 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Oh, OK. All right. 78 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:38,000 And what happened with your friend? Did he just, I mean, was in pain for an extended period of time, but then his changes, the changes to his diet eventually? 79 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Instead of it being assisted by medication, which would have sped up the healing process, obviously, he would have had to have made the dietary changes anyway, which he was planning to do. 80 00:13:51,000 --> 00:14:03,000 And it would have sped up the healing process to a matter of two weeks to a month instead of six months that it took for the entire process to go away in the end. 81 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,000 And that's if you have the ability to actually get over the ailment you've got. 82 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Like, I've got I've got a little story which I will I will go over now. There's there's I can't remember who it was, but there was a guy in in Iceland. 83 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Now, I don't know if you know, but the the population in Iceland is a bit smaller than that of the UK. 84 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Yes, isn't it? Isn't that only quarter of a million people in Reykjavik? 85 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:41,000 There's a few. Yeah, there's a few less than obviously the 7.4 million that are in the UK. 86 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,000 In London, sorry, in London. 87 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,000 So there's 74 people. 88 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,000 So that was over 10 years ago that I got that fact. So it might very well be wrong. 89 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Sorry, you go. 90 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 There might be 10 or 20 more people. Yeah. 91 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:07,000 I mean, in London, there's 7.4 million people. There's 10 percent of the entire population of the UK, I believe, in London, which I think is a ridiculous, ridiculous stat. 92 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Anyway, the point I'm trying to make in the UK, you go for a health check on let's start off with something as simple as a sore bottom. 93 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 You go to go for a health check on the sore bottom. 94 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,000 You struggle to get a doctor appointment, takes you three days to get a doctor appointment. 95 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:36,000 The doctor checks your bottom and hypothetically speaking, is concerned about a swelling of your prostate, for example. 96 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:42,000 OK, you then get put on a waiting list to get it scanned. 97 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:50,000 That can take up to six to eight weeks for that scan, just to check a bit of inflammation. 98 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:57,000 Now, once you've had that scan, you then got to wait another two weeks for your scan results. 99 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:11,000 And once they found the they've agreed there is swelling there and it is worth a biopsy, then you've got another six to eight weeks waiting for an appointment to go in and have a biopsy done of this swelling on your prostate. 100 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Then another two weeks passes after that time. 101 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,000 And whilst they're waiting for the test results to come in. 102 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 And you see where I'm going here. 103 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:32,000 And then you got to wait another four to five days to go and see the GP to check in on what the what the biopsy returned, what the test results returned. 104 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:39,000 And at that point, hypothetically speaking, you either get diagnosed with something like cancer or you don't. 105 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:45,000 OK, that's taken best part four months. 106 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Yeah. Yeah. 107 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:53,000 Well, it goes to the doctor in Iceland for a similar condition. 108 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Might have been a lady actually. I think it was a lady. 109 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Went into the doctor for a similar condition and the doctor went. 110 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Yep. Don't like that. Bear in mind, I literally got an appointment that day. 111 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000 So went into the doctor. Didn't like this bit of swelling. 112 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Doctor went, no, I don't like that either. Can you go and get this seen to you need to go and have a scan? 113 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Lady goes, yeah, sure. What do you do? Put me on a waiting list. 114 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 No, no, no, no. Take this letter. Go to the hospital. 115 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,000 They'll scan you. So later that day, she goes into the hospital. 116 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,000 She gets a letter, gives it under the desk, goes and has her scan. 117 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 They go. Don't like that. 118 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 We're going to take a biopsy whilst you're there. 119 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Just stay there. We'll get the other doctor in. They'll take a biopsy. 120 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,000 Takes the biopsy. 121 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 They go, OK, we've got to test it. 122 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Couple of days, we'll give you a call. 123 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Couple of days, literally two days later, biopsy results are back. 124 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,000 It is cancer. We need to operate. 125 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,000 She goes, OK, what happens now? Do I wait on a waiting list? 126 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 They go, no. Come into the hospital. Get ready. 127 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,000 We will put you under the knife. 128 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Two days after she's been at the GP, 129 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:11,000 she knows she's got cancer and she's going to have it operated on 130 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 in Iceland. 131 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Just that time to act is enough to save lives in itself. 132 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:30,000 The time of inaction in the UK renders more people unable to survive their conditions 133 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 than it does anywhere else. 134 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,000 I think there are places around the world that have the same problem 135 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,000 where you could essentially diagnose yourself with, 136 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000 or not diagnose yourself, but you could essentially find a lump 137 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000 or something like that, potentially be around stage one of cancer. 138 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,000 By the time you're actually diagnosed with cancer, 139 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,000 it's stage two or stage three because it's aggressive. 140 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:07,000 And that was the waiting around that caused that loss of time, 141 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,000 that loss of ability to combat it. 142 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,000 And that is heavily influenced by money and the lack of facility 143 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,000 and the lack of resources. 144 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Is the system in Iceland private? 145 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:32,000 I can actually, I will look that up for you because I don't want to give you the wrong information. 146 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Does Iceland have... 147 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 State funded. 148 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 After you've legally resided for six months, 149 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,000 you automatically become a member of the Icelandic social insurance system. 150 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,000 You need to pay patient contributions directly towards the cost of your health. 151 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:05,000 You'll pay patient contributions, but not the entire cost of your health care. 152 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Wow. 153 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Okay. And that, I also love it as well, as like, as long as you're residing there within six months. 154 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't need to be a national. 155 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Yeah. 156 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 It's almost crazy to think. 157 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Yeah. 158 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:36,000 It does work, but obviously Iceland is a niche situation. 159 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000 The populace is on lower. 160 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:50,000 The ability to act is higher because you're dealing with a lot less cases on a regular basis. 161 00:20:50,000 --> 00:21:01,000 I can't help but think that budget does have a high influence on the speed and turnaround of conditions. 162 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Not to mention the fact, this is where it's going to get a bit more conjecture driven. 163 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Not to mention the fact that pharmaceutical companies are a lot of the reason why conditions are sustained and not cured, 164 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,000 because they are a business. 165 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:31,000 They make money off of people being sick. 166 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:48,000 And it sickens me to hear that the average cost in drugs or Parkinson's disease annually is 3.8 billion pounds. 167 00:21:48,000 --> 00:22:02,000 That's 3.8 billion pounds paid to a private company, private companies, for just the medications to sustain Parkinson's disease in sufferers. 168 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Bear in mind that the average life expectancy of a person diagnosed with Parkinson's is 20 years. 169 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,000 That's 3.8 billion pounds annually. 170 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:37,000 There are around about I think there's 115,000 Parkinson's sufferers in the UK. 171 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Wait, so the billion pounds is sorry, what does that buy? 172 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 That buys their drugs. 173 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000 What are those drugs made from? 174 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Carbidopa and levodopa are the main symptoms, symptom combatants. 175 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:02,000 So the carbidopa and levodopa are the current primary treatment for Parkinson's disease. 176 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:16,000 However, and this is proven in studies, but we'll cover reasons why in a moment MDMA is proved to have reversing effects on Parkinson's, 177 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:28,000 and not just on Parkinson's symptoms, but it also kind of bypasses the reason why Parkinson's exists in the body. 178 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,000 It's like a dopamine receptors stop working essentially. 179 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:39,000 So MDMA almost finds an alternative route for an alternative source of dopamine, 180 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:48,000 which allows the lockdown of the body to slow up and freedom of movement to increase. 181 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Obviously there are issues with using MDMA to treat Parkinson's. 182 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,000 It is a heavy stimulant and it can run the risk. 183 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,000 You can run the risk of wearing the brain out a lot quicker. 184 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:15,000 For example, you could end up with dementia a lot younger in age, but this is studies in their infancy, 185 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:29,000 which have been stopped because ultimately there's one drug you give a Parkinson's sufferer and you can't make money off of that. 186 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Carbidopa and levodopa are normally given to a Parkinson's sufferer at the same time. 187 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Because they're so aggressive, you need five or six counter medications to combat the symptoms or the side effects of the carbidopa and the levodopa. 188 00:24:50,000 --> 00:25:05,000 So just one Parkinson's sufferer is taking seven or eight medications per day, numerous times a day, in order to live with their condition. 189 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000 You take all that away and just give them one drug. 190 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000 I personally would absolutely. 191 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:20,000 However, the people that are the ones calling the shots on the research are the pharmaceutical companies. 192 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:26,000 They're the ones that make the money on the seven drugs, not the one. 193 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000 So why would they make a wonder cure? 194 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Exactly. Once again, I know it's MDMA. 195 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Don't get me wrong. I know it's ecstasy. 196 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:48,000 And I know that it's an aggressive form of treatment. But as I said, it was also studies in their infancy that provided ridiculously good results. 197 00:25:48,000 --> 00:26:03,000 You'd need to develop that drug into something that was safer, not something that is going to wear the brain out a lot quicker and cause early onset of dementia and things like this. 198 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Although I will say I've spoken with a number of people used to work in the health sector in the elderly care sector. 199 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,000 I've spoken with a number of people that have suffered with Parkinson's. 200 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:28,000 And I think they would take treatment of their condition and without the side effects of the carbidopa and the levodopa. 201 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:37,000 If the side effects of the drug they were having was the potential risk of the early onset of dementia. 202 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:45,000 They were already old. 20 years of living with that condition, they were done with it. 203 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,000 But there's another thing, of course, as well. 204 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,000 It's not the only condition where there is potentially a wonder cure. 205 00:26:53,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Mental health is something that I quite often preach on about. 206 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:09,000 And it is so important that people take mental health seriously because it's the unseen illness. 207 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:18,000 People are quite easily missed, even though they could be quite severely sick. 208 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Now, did you know that psilocybin, I don't know if you know what psilocybin is. 209 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,000 No, it sounds like a storage container of some kind. What is it in truth? 210 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:37,000 Psilocybin is the hallucinogenic drug that is found in magic mushrooms. 211 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Okay. 212 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Right. 213 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:48,000 So psilocybin has been proven to cure depression and anxiety. 214 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Now, it's not just psilocybin. 215 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000 I don't know if you've heard of the drug ayahuasca. 216 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,000 It's used in South America. It's quite a heavy hallucinogenic. 217 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:08,000 The incredible thing about these hallucinogenics is what they essentially do is they strip away your brain's ability to be suppressed by propaganda. 218 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,000 And it's propaganda that you can provoke yourself into believing. 219 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,000 It's the shit that you see. You're constantly being lied to and stuff like that. 220 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,000 You will see through it. 221 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:31,000 And that allows you to look past the reasons why you take drugs, what the reasons why you feel depressed and you just stop being depressed. 222 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Important side note, and this is once again something that I need to point out, it can have the complete opposite effect. 223 00:28:41,000 --> 00:29:09,000 If you are egotistical, potentially narcissistic or have narcissistic tendencies, then when you have that sense of freedom from propaganda, you're basically stripping your own life back to realizing that you're not everything you make yourself out to be. 224 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,000 And that can have the complete opposite effect that can send you on a depressive spiral. 225 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Because all of a sudden you're not this uber fantastic person that you thought you were. 226 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 You realize that you're just you. 227 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Reality is, you're just you. 228 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000 And that can have quite serious adverse effects. 229 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000 So no, it's not a wonder drug. 230 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:38,000 It's not a super cure, but it can and has been proven to cure depression and anxiety. 231 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Why aren't we looking at that? 232 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000 It's illegal. 233 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000 You're not allowed to do them. 234 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,000 Wait, what? 235 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000 You're not allowed to do these drugs. 236 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 You're not allowed to do these hallucinogenics. 237 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000 You're not allowed magic mushrooms. 238 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Magic mushrooms are illegal. 239 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,000 Ayahuasca, highly illegal in 90% of countries around the world. 240 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Not allowed them. 241 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:08,000 That is making me wonder whether. 242 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Yeah, yeah, that's just entirely questionable. 243 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000 You can't hold things back for the sake of a profit. 244 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Like, I realize people do it all the time and I realize although patterns allow the inventor of a new thing to profit from it, 245 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,000 they also hold things back like I had a room. 246 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000 I'm not sure if whether you can confirm this or not. 247 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Don't Phillips hold the pattern for the everlasting light bulb? 248 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000 It wouldn't surprise me. 249 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:48,000 There's a number of things that have existed that have been shot down, 250 00:30:48,000 --> 00:31:00,000 should we say, because they could have if you had the story about the bloke in the 80s who made a car that ran on water. 251 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000 That sounds amazing. 252 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000 It was amazing. 253 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:09,000 And the issue and I think I can point to Dr. 254 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Stephen Greer here, he mentions in a lot of the work that he does that if somebody had the confidence to just make one of these inventions open source, 255 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,000 then there would be no chance for them to be targeted. 256 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:35,000 The problem is 90% of the time when these inventions are made, people want their slice of the pie. 257 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000 They don't want it to be free. 258 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000 They want to make their millions and because they want to make their millions, 259 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:46,000 they hold it so close to their chest and don't let anybody in their secret that all it takes is for them to be killed. 260 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 And that secret is lost. 261 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 And that's precisely what happened with this bloke. 262 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000 You can look it up. 263 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000 It does exist out there. 264 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Have a look at it. 265 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000 The car that ran on water. 266 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000 Don't just take my word for it. 267 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:09,000 The bloke went to have a business meeting in a diner and then died after the business or after even after the business meeting. 268 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,000 He ran out of the diner choking and his last words were he they poisoned me and he was killed. 269 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:26,000 And the I believe the blokes that he was going to see were to do with a big oil company or something that wanted to pay him for his invention. 270 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:35,000 But he was driving this car around, driving this car around America for two or three months before he was killed. 271 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 He was on the news. 272 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000 There's news articles. 273 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000 There's magazine articles and stuff on this bloke. 274 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000 And then he's just killed. 275 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:57,000 You think the multi-billion pound petrol and diesel industry gone in a second just because you can run your car on water? 276 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Essentially, it used a converter that took water and it split the water and pumped out the oxygen out the exhaust. 277 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:17,000 And then it pulled the hydrogen and ran on the hydrogen. 278 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:26,000 It literally used like an electrolytic separator to pull apart the H2O into oxygen molecules and hydrogen molecules. 279 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:34,000 Use the hydrogen to run the engine and pump the oxygen out the back of the exhaust. 280 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:45,000 That literally sounds incredible and it's crazy to think that such a thing has been invented in our time and has been blocked. 281 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Well, you look at what happened with Tesla as well. 282 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,000 Nicholas Tesla was working on his Tesla tower. 283 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000 I don't know if you ever heard about this. 284 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:05,000 He was funded by a chap in America whilst he was doing all of his research at the same time as Edison was doing his research. 285 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:12,000 Now, you know why Tesla didn't succeed in the way that Edison did succeed? 286 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Funding got pulled. 287 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Funding did get pulled. 288 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Very good reason why his funding got pulled. 289 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,000 Tesla was working on wireless energy. 290 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:30,000 His Tesla tower, the Tesla tower, it was a means to pull energy out of the atmosphere. 291 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:38,000 The electrostatic energy in the atmosphere was a means to tap into that and power things remotely. 292 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:50,000 The problem is the bloke that funded his research was the biggest, I fucking love this, the biggest supplier of copper wire in America. 293 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:58,000 And he went, wait, what? No, pulled his money. 294 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,000 Hmm. 295 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000 Yeah, that makes sense. 296 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000 Like you're gonna. 297 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000 It makes sense, but it also doesn't make sense. 298 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Like you, because if you are, if you make yourself redundant, you're going redundant on your terms, you know. 299 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,000 So it gives you the chance to roll with the punches because it's your punch. 300 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 So you control how hard it is. 301 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000 You control where it's hitting. 302 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000 You know, you control whether it's curved or not. 303 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000 This Hollywood mentality, it doesn't exist in businessman. 304 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000 This whole, you look at Tony Stark, you know. 305 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,000 Tony Stark literally is the embodiment of Nikola Tesla. 306 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:53,000 And designs a power source that could power the entire country, the entire country in America. 307 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 And what he does is he goes, yeah, fine, we've got this. 308 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:05,000 What I'm going to do instead is I'm going to make other means to make money and I'm going to branch out in other industries and do other things. 309 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,000 And I'm not going to be purely reliant on what I used to be reliant on. 310 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000 But that's not how business works. 311 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:26,000 But the bloke that funded Tesla, when I make money on copper wire, I don't want to have to give up this business, which makes me millions and millions of pounds or millions and millions of dollars every year. 312 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:33,000 And I don't want to have to change the way that I do things to carry on making loads of money. 313 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:40,000 And so he just stopped the problem before it became a thing. 314 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000 In itself is just worrying. 315 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 But let's get back on topic. 316 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,000 So the point that we were making was that. 317 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,000 So what cures have been blocked by this sort of pattern thing? 318 00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Like, do you mind if I don't know, do you want to do you want to name a health condition and I'll like guess whether it's whether there's there was a miracle cure which has been blocked or not or anything along those lines or. 319 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,000 I mean, okay, yeah, fine. 320 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000 Let's go. 321 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000 And let's go epilepsy first off. 322 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000 Oh, dear God, please don't tell me there's a cure for that. 323 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,000 A really good friend of mine has that and she's got it real bad. 324 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,000 Okay, so in Australia in a place called Nimbian. 325 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:54,000 This has got a lot of a lot of publicity recently actually a lot of the reason why they've had to review the cannabis laws in this country is because a kid of I think 14 and went to America and was being treated for epilepsy with cannabis and it changed his life. 326 00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:04,000 He was able to have a normal life and essentially fit free through the use of medicinal cannabis. 327 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:12,000 And the reason I said in Nimbian in Australia is because that's where this research originated. 328 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:24,000 There's a bloke in Nimbian who has been treating people with epilepsy with cannabis oil for 20 years. 329 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:30,000 You can go there and he will make you a cannabis tincture. 330 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Like cannabis oil, which you can prescribe to yourself or you can give to your loved ones, whoever's got the condition really. You've got to remember that epilepsy sufferers, they live on a multitude of drugs. 331 00:38:45,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Heavy epilepsy sufferers are on sodium valparate. They're on numerous different other tablets and sodium valparate is a liquid. They've got a number of different tablets. Quite often the side effects of sodium valparate need three or four different drugs to go with them like an omeprazole or something like that. 332 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:20,000 To kind of counteract the overproduction of bile in the stomach that's caused by taking the medications. The lack of hunger needs a hunger inhibitor, shall we say. 333 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:36,000 So like normally like a metazapine or something like that, which itself is a sedative. So then you need a count sedative to like a caffeine tablet or something like that in order to stimulate to try and keep you awake. 334 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Not to mention the fact that sodium valparate is really, really drowsy and the condition itself is really tiring having all those fits all the time and it doesn't even stop you from having all the fits. 335 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,000 All of those drugs and you still seize. 336 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:07,000 And yet medical cannabis has been proven to stop seizures to nearly zero percent. 337 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:28,000 It almost completely stopped seizures. There was a young lad who went to Nimbin. He was having over a hundred seizures per week and he started taking cannabis oil and his first seizure after taking cannabis oil was six months after having taken cannabis oil or continually taking cannabis oil. 338 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:45,000 And it was most likely because he was poorly and therefore was unable to keep his cannabis oil in his system. So yeah, there is a wonder cure for epilepsy and it is something that is illegal. 339 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000 That's really frustrating to hear. 340 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Yeah, I've got a little bit of story time with Nick. 341 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000 I'm happy to hear it. 342 00:40:53,000 --> 00:41:08,000 I want to go over now. This is a story which I at the time when it first came about, I can remember the news story because it's quite prevalent. 343 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000 It's one of those that you never really forget once you've heard it. 344 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:31,000 There's a chap in America called Ash Michael Hyde. He was a young lad of a year and about nine months old and he started to have, he was like being really sicky. 345 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:44,000 He was really dizzy, falling asleep all the time, like more so than a young 18 month old baby does, you know, 18 months, 21 month old baby does. 346 00:41:44,000 --> 00:42:00,000 But he was poorly, really poorly and his dad went, no enough of this. I'm going to take him to the doctor, took him into the doctor and he was diagnosed with a cancerous brain tumor, which was wrapped around his optic nerve measuring 4.5 centimeters. 347 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:21,000 Pretty much immediately doctors performed brain surgery. However, unfortunately they could only remove 10% of his, of his tumor, which meant that they had to put him through the only prescribed treatment for cancer chemotherapy. 348 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:34,000 He had four bouts of chemo, then he had four bouts of stem cell rescue and then four bouts of hydrochemo. 349 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:55,000 And this chemotherapy that he was being treated with caused massive seizures, pretty much lifeless. He was really poorly. He was in hospital nearly all the time. He got a blood infection and actually went into septic shock, ended up in ICU. 350 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:07,000 This is all before his second birthday. And he had a really, really bad time of things. He was pretty much on his deathbed. He didn't eat for 40 days. He was peg fed. 351 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:31,000 And during this period, whilst he was on the chemotherapy, the doctors had prescribed about five or six medications, meaning that he was taking around about, this is a two year old baby, around about 120 milligrams of five different drugs every day to combat the side effects of chemotherapy. 352 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:46,000 He was, as I said, he was unable to eat. He didn't eat for 40 days. And they were pretty much signing him off. His dad was being told like, you need to be prepared that he's probably not going to pull through this. 353 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:55,000 And it wasn't because the cancer was killing him. It was because the chemotherapy was killing him. 354 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:06,000 So messed up. Although I know that. As much as the chemotherapy was doing its job on the cancer, it was also killing this poorly little boy. 355 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:16,000 And eventually the doctor, the dad managed to talk the doctors into taking him off his five counter medications. 356 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:26,000 And instead started putting cannabis oil in his feeding tube, only a couple of drops every day. 357 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:38,000 His dad's words were, it was almost instantaneous. The change was nearly instant. He was able to sit up. He started wanting to eat. 358 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:52,000 He genuinely turned around through, and it was because the symptoms, the side effects of the chemotherapy were purely being combated by the cannabis oil. 359 00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:03,000 And it gave him the ability to last through the chemotherapy. 360 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:12,000 Five, I think five months after, no two months after his cannabis oil treatment was begun. 361 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:20,000 He was pronounced cancer free and is now living a normal life. 362 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:32,000 A chance which was only given to him by his dad's big brass bollocks taking the opportunity and going, I'll do it my way. 363 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:43,000 And he gave him cannabis oil. Now he was, he said himself, I didn't want necessarily to cure my son. 364 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:50,000 I wanted him to not be suffering in the way that he was. The aim wasn't to cure him. 365 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,000 And it's important to note the chemotherapy did kill his cancer. 366 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:12,000 But it would have also killed him if he didn't give him the cannabis oil. So it wouldn't have cured the boy. It would have killed him. 367 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:26,000 So why were they giving him five counter medications which weren't working when there was a medication that did work? Because it's illegal. 368 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:35,000 The interesting thing is the news article, not the news article, the news clip, the show that covered this story, 369 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:50,000 tried to get a professional's perspective on the side effects of cannabis in order to give the counter argument to the dad's argument of why he gave the medication. 370 00:46:50,000 --> 00:47:07,000 No doctors would even discuss the topic with the news company. They didn't want to talk about the effects of cannabis in the treatment of cancer and the side effects of medications, etc. 371 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:18,000 None of them would. They wouldn't even argue against its use. They just wouldn't argue. 372 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:28,000 And it's important also to note that this dad never once mentioned to these doctors what he was doing by giving this kid this cannabis. 373 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:42,000 Because he was terrified that the doctors would take it away and not allow him to have it. And he was terrified that he would be arrested. 374 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:49,000 That's a great, that's crazy to think. Like just so many things there. 375 00:47:49,000 --> 00:48:00,000 He's two years old. Wouldn't you, what does the Hippocratic oath say? 376 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:20,000 I swear to fulfill the best of my ability and judgment this covenant, I will respect the hard work. I will apply for the benefits of the sick all measures that are required, avoiding those twin traps of over treatment and therapeutic nihilism. 377 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:33,000 That in itself is exactly what is going on in the health service because money exists. 378 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:49,000 You end up with people not being cured. The aim is not to cure a person of a condition. The aim is to get people to live with their conditions. 379 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:58,000 That is often the way it feels nowadays when I go to the GP. 380 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:21,000 Yeah. Do you have any ideas on how we go about changing this? How we go about reversing the crawl of history, the rolling of the cogs as it were? Like how do we stop the NHS becoming more obsessed with costs and costs until it's a shop window? 381 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:49,000 Unfortunately, as long as money exists and as long as, I mean the only way we can really take it back is if we have a state owned pharmaceutical company, or pharmaceutical of the government, I suppose. 382 00:49:49,000 --> 00:50:03,000 In the same way that you could take away the, if you look at, let's go transport in Italy. Transport in Italy is so much cheaper because it's state owned. 383 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:16,000 It's all part of the state budget. So the costs are allowed to be a lot cheaper. If the drugs being prescribed were state owned, then the treatment would be a lot cheaper. 384 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:27,000 And the government wouldn't be aiming to make a penny off of it. They want to be spending less money. So they want to be giving less drugs. They want the right drug for the right job. Yeah. 385 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000 Yeah, makes sense. 386 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:44,000 So if you, if you're not going to get rid of money, then we need to take control of the situation as a country and not privatise it. The minute you privatise anything, it's about profit. 387 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:58,000 And I know that people in America with their privatised healthcare will feel the same way. The private healthcare, it quite often renders people unable to be treated because they can't afford it. 388 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:05,000 That's not what the world should be about. That's not what the health service was for. 389 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:15,000 We want to go down the same road where everything's privatised and we end up with people unable to be treated for conditions that should just be able to be fixed. 390 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:27,000 We want our conditions to have to, to be sustained by drugs in order to continue to make people money. 391 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:52,000 You know that the average cancer sufferer is worth, where's the, where's the, where's the, where's the, it was worth about seven and a half thousand pounds worth of drugs given to each individual cancer sufferer per week in the UK. 392 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:59,000 Cancer sufferer per week, seven and a half thousand pounds. 393 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000 That's far more than the rest of their care put together, isn't it? 394 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:11,000 Well, you think of the financial impact of cancer anyway, the person's not able, like barely able to work by the time. 395 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:35,000 It's like you're looking at stage three, you're looking at the person's unable to bring in any money to the household, you're paying for nurses to come and visit or like care workers to come and support the person or you have to do it yourself, which means you yourself have to take time off and you're getting less money into the household. 396 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:53,000 So the financial impact is already high enough and then you turn it into a profit based, a profit based exercise where you want to sustain their condition for as long as possible and also make as much money as milk, milk that cow for as long as you possibly can. 397 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,000 You know? 398 00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:07,000 That's not the right way to be because that's not, yeah, that's not a healed individual and that's not a sold medicine with the idea of it improving the life of the individual. 399 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:30,000 That's just about making money for the owner of the things they've told this person that she needs in order to feel sophisticated or in order to have a certain type of Sunday or have certain interactions with people on a Sunday. 400 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,000 Absolutely. 401 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000 Oh dear. 402 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:42,000 Okay, so epilepsy, 403 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,000 some forms of cancer. 404 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:54,000 What other, yeah, what other common diseases are we currently suffering with when a cure has already been discovered? 405 00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:06,000 Even certain forms of dementia have been proven to be reversed by the use of weaker forms of ecstasy. 406 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:19,000 MDMA has been proven to refire dormant brain cells and reverse the effects of dementia in Alzheimer's sufferers and other conditions. 407 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:24,000 Okay, well those are some huge ones there. 408 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:36,000 The thing that sickens me the most though, is that these drugs are illegal, and I believe in some of the reasons why they are illegal. 409 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,000 But if alcohol is legal, 410 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,000 with how much damage that does, 411 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:50,000 and smoking is legal with how much damage that does, 412 00:54:50,000 --> 00:55:03,000 then why are they not? 413 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000 It's just, it's a good, 414 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,000 it's a good question and although I'd love to, 415 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:23,000 I wish there was some kinds of censor call answer other than money as to why these conditions haven't been cured. 416 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:33,000 I think that I know that there are countries where cannabis has been legalized in some cases for medicine. 417 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:40,000 Yeah, in this country, in this country, you can get medical cannabis prescriptions. 418 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:48,000 You do have to be assessed heavily for, to qualify for cannabis as a medication. 419 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:59,000 And I believe that if it was going to be legalized, that it should be along those lines where you have to attain the right level. 420 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,000 Prove yourself. 421 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:15,000 Not necessarily prove yourself, but there's certain awarenesses that need to be, as far as the health sector, have you got an addictive personality, which isn't even looked at now when it comes to things like codeine and cocodemol. 422 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:21,000 Why is your personality not analyzed before your prescribed codeine? 423 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:30,000 I've got a friend who's quite addictive in his mentality. He's got conditions that, mental health conditions that make it so. 424 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:43,000 And yet he will be prescribed stuff like codeine for pain and then he'll end up hooked on the codeine because of the high it gives him. 425 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:51,000 So, like what the whole thing needs to be looked at differently. I'm like, the system itself is flawed. 426 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:59,000 And if you reintroduce, if you just legalize the drugs as they are, as the situation is, then it would go wrong. 427 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:04,000 What I'm not saying that they need to be, they need to be legalized and nothing else needs to change. 428 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:27,000 I'm saying it needs to be legalized and there needs to be safeguards in place. But I can't help but believe that if you took away the illegality of these drugs, the thrill of doing it would wear off for a lot of people. 429 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,000 And it wouldn't be such a recreational thing. 430 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:38,000 Like, I know Red Bull sits in these shop windows and in the drinks fridge. 431 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:47,000 And I know that I can get incredibly high, shall we say, like energy boost from drinking it. 432 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:56,000 Just because I know I can doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and do it. I could eat an entire packet of Pro Plus and like bounce off the walls for four hours. 433 00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:03,000 But I don't. To be honest, I could eat a bag of jelly beans and I could end up with a sugar high for half an hour. 434 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:09,000 But I don't because that's not what life is about. 435 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:20,000 You know, I think if drugs were legalized, people would be educated differently about them. 436 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:30,000 I know when I went up, when I was growing up and I was in school, they just generally went, well drugs are bad. Drugs are bad, don't do drugs. 437 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:36,000 How about this is what drugs do. This is what you can expect of drugs. 438 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:42,000 This is the effects that they have. This is the side effects that they have. 439 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,000 And this is why they're not really a good thing. 440 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:52,000 But if you do find yourself in a situation where you are under the influence of those drugs, here's how you can combat it. 441 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,000 Here's how you can keep yourself safe. 442 00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:03,000 None of that exists. 443 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,000 The system itself is highly flawed and money is at the bottom of a lot of it. 444 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:16,000 And it's not just the health sector. A lot of the way the world works is highly flawed. 445 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,000 But today we're covering the health sector. So let's finish on that. 446 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,000 Yeah, I think I've, as I said, I've put my argument across to the best of my ability. 447 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,000 But once again, I reiterate the fact that it is conjecture. It is opinion. 448 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:38,000 If you do have a counter opinion, please do come to the Reddit and pose your counter argument. 449 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:43,000 Get on board. Give us a debate here. 450 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,000 I am not trying to tell you that I'm right and everybody else is wrong. 451 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:54,000 I'm just giving my perspective. How do you feel on it, James? 452 00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:00,000 I mean, I'm wondering if there's any other countries which have a... 453 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,000 Well, obviously Iceland has a better system. 454 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,000 What other countries do you feel have a better system than ours? 455 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:14,000 And which ones would you say have a worse system than ours? 456 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:23,000 I think America has got a much worse system than ours because everything's privatized. 457 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,000 However, it works better in the fact that if you have a condition, you get treated. 458 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,000 It just costs you the earth to do so. 459 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,000 Yeah, when you get out of that building, you're hit with a bill and you kind of makes you wish you were. 460 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:42,000 Yeah, I mean, it renders you completely helpless financially. 461 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:49,000 I think I don't know many countries that do have a good health service. 462 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:55,000 Because a lot of it is still profit led. 463 01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,000 So would you say that capitalism inhibits health care? 464 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:06,000 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 465 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,000 All right. I know that in America, isn't medical debt like... 466 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,000 I think it's... You know what? I'm going to double check this fact now. 467 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:25,000 Isn't medical debt like one of the second biggest causes of... 468 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,000 Yeah, the second biggest causes of bankruptcy in America? 469 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,000 Most likely. 470 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:41,000 I'm just going to look this up, double check my facts. 471 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:52,000 Yep, that's it. 472 01:01:52,000 --> 01:02:00,000 It's the second, second biggest cause. 473 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,000 Oh dear. 474 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,000 Yeah, medical conditions and long term medical issues. 475 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:26,000 Yeah. I mean, giving birth, bringing a new human being into the world in America will cost on average $19,000. 476 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,000 Yeah, so if you're a lower income family or if you're just... 477 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,000 If you don't have a solid and stable source of income. 478 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,000 Yeah, like how do you deal with that? 479 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,000 And that's literally just giving birth. 480 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:51,000 That's not living with a condition like cancer or Parkinson's. 481 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,000 Yeah, that's a natural kind of... 482 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000 No, I will say it. 483 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:07,000 Although, you know, whether it should be or not, that's a fundamental human right. 484 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:14,000 Like, and that's 19,000. 485 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000 Oh dear. Right. 486 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,000 I'm sorry I've been quiet in this one. 487 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,000 I've needed to do a bit more medication and I'm fortunate. 488 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:51,000 I'm sorry, I need to do a bit more research and I've for some reason, tiredness has just hit me whilst I've been listening to these partly due to just the depressing nature of kind of what's going on here and the fact that so many things can be resolved or so many things can be resolved and just currently aren't. 489 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,000 You've made a lot of good points there, Nick, and you've definitely... 490 01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:06,000 Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm a bad example because I am easily convinced by people by just by listening but 491 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:34,000 Yeah, you've convinced me like it seems like the modern medical apparatus doesn't serve the people in as much as it serves the board members who set them up in the first place and although a lot of people won't be surprised by that, I genuinely am. 492 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:43,000 Alright, sorry. Do you have a fun fact to end us on? I'm sorry, I've got, of course, you were signing off and I've just made you go sideways there. Apologies. 493 01:04:43,000 --> 01:05:00,000 I don't have a fun fact to end on. However, I do have a reiteration of the fact that as much as we accept the fact that money exists, it doesn't have to. 494 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,000 It doesn't have to and we can choose as a people for it not to. It will take time. 495 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:20,000 But being on board with it is what will allow you to accept that things can be different and that in turn will pave the way for you to be able to make that change. 496 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:36,000 Like the system itself is in a state of collapse anyway. When it collapses, let's make the choice to change to a different kind of system. One that doesn't rely on money. One that doesn't rely on bartering of any kind. 497 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:46,000 Let's go across to a system which relies on whether or not the resource is even available and if it is, why not? 498 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:52,000 That's the situation that we should be looking at right now, especially with the interconnectivity of the entire world. 499 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:57,000 There's no reason to keep the chips to yourself anymore. 500 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:19,000 On that note, everybody have good weeks and we'll be back in a couple of weeks time. Take care guys. 501 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:47,000 Thank you.