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Hi, Nick here from Pods with Nick and James. Just a quick one before we get into this podcast.

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Anyway, back to the podcast.

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Hello and welcome back to Pods with Nick and James.

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And for today, to become three.

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And today this is Pods with Nick, James and Adam.

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Welcome Adam, how are you?

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Hello Nick, thank you for having me. I'm doing well, how are you?

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Not too bad mate, not too bad. And of course as always, joined by James. How are you doing mate?

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Not too bad. Yeah, muddling on free.

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So we thought we would come to episode 10. I'm amazed that we managed to make it to 10 podcasts without getting utterly frustrated with each other.

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But well done James for stomaching me for 10 episodes now.

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But on the 10th episode we decided that we were going to do a special and invite a friend along to join us.

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And for this special we've decided to go with Adam's topic. And Adam chose, what did you choose Adam?

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So we're going to have a little discussion about technology and narrowing that down because technology is quite a broad subject to mainly privacy and data.

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And sort of how data is manhandled and misused and all that good stuff.

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Awesome, awesome. So thanks for that. What do you think of the topic James?

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I think it's a fantastic topic and we've already dipped into bits and pieces of this.

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You're absolutely right to specify what technology is because even a sandal in ancient times is a form of technology.

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Anything that mankind picks up and uses as a tool is a piece of technology.

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But what you have chosen specifically holds a lot of interest for me and has some real legs to it.

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So without further ado we'll go back to you.

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Oh yeah. So it shows this obviously so your viewers are probably aware that you guys worked together.

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And that's how I met these two fine established gentlemen. So we worked for a little while in IT.

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And so we've all got this mutual interest so I thought this would be quite a cool little topic.

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Maybe we've all got a little bit of life events and life advice to bring to the table.

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So just start things off. Gents, how secure do you think your data is?

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Not very secure.

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So James?

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I'm really sorry. I'm really worried me and like for like although me and Nick, you know what I'd genuinely say we'd get on, our views are different.

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I'm really worried that me and you are literally going to be parallel on this one because when it comes to or maybe actually I'd go further.

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I'd say it's not secure at all.

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Like when I click the yes I agree button it's because I'm pretty much I assume I don't read through the terms and conditions quite often when I click that thing.

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And a lot of people don't is because unfortunately my somewhat satirical and sarcastic view of it is I assume that I have no rights that they're going to use my data however they want.

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And that there's nothing I can do about it either use their service or don't.

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And I'm sorry to be so negative and start things off on such a bad foot. Anyway, sorry.

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Is that true or is that just paranoia?

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Well, you're on sort of a negative sort of output on that. Your data is fairly secure.

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Obviously there's many sort of privacy laws and stuff that you know people have to abide by if they're manhandling data.

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So obviously we know we've all got the GDPR that companies that hold more than I think it's like a thousand records of data they have to abide by.

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You know you can't hold data if you need to. You can't, you know, it has to be stored securely only people that need access are given access.

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So in a nutshell, in the grand scheme of things, it is fairly secure. However, there are such things as data breaches.

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They're sort of the scary thing whether they're caused maliciously or through people not doing their due diligence.

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Obviously, you know, it's one thing having, you know, anonymous target a website and, you know, steal thousands of people's data.

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And then it's one thing, you know, Jeff down the road who's got his little black book because he refuses to, you know, go to the digital age and he leaves it on the bus.

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And it's got all of his passwords in it and his credit card numbers and all sorts of things because that in itself is a data breach.

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It's not necessarily, you know, I mean, I speak up every time.

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I mean, obviously within my role, I screen connect to other machines around the country, sometimes even outside of the country, but mainly inside the country.

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And when I screen connect to these companies, there have been occasions where plastered on little Microsoft Windows post-it notes, sticky notes, are login names and passwords.

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And on one particular machine that I connected to, this lady opened her Excel spreadsheet in which she had every single login she had for any program and her password next to it.

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Now, I always call it out. If I see something and I'm like, whoa, hold on, hold on, you can't do that.

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Then I tell them and I explain why, not in an arrogant or an abrupt way, but I just kind of go, look, for your own sake, you cannot do that.

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You have to have, I at least say, have a physical barrier between like your computer and your passwords.

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So if you're going to be that insecure with your data, at least put it on your phone.

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Don't have it all on your computer because now if I lock you out of your machine and just use your machine, I have all the information I need right there to do whatever I want.

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And I'm not going to do that because I work for a reputable company and I like to think I'm quite a reputable person.

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However, I know that there was a time our Screen Connect software, the website was phished.

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So there was a variant of our website which was different by I think one letter.

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I think there was a number instead of a word, which was quite a simple thing to get wrong.

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But as soon as you connected to that, it downloaded the screen share and somebody started Screen Connecting to that machine.

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And it was something that was flagged to our security team when it was handled by the legal system.

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But it happens that quickly and that easily.

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And if you're that insecure with your data, what's the point in keeping passwords?

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You might as well just go, you know what, if I want to go on that website, if I type in my name, you just let me in.

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I mean, yeah, you're 100% right, Nick.

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People just, it's people not realizing the danger behind it.

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Now, obviously, I work in IT and I work for, in layman's terms, a life insurance company.

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So I don't deal with other people outside of the company.

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I'm mainly internal people.

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And all these people, when they start, they're all given an induction and they're all told, you know, don't do this.

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Don't use the same parser for everything.

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Don't put your password on a sticky note on your desktop.

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Because as a life insurance broker, I've got access to customers' names, phone numbers, email addresses, any health questions they've had to answer.

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And so do the agents that make the calls.

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And it confuses me.

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And it's so backhanded when I get a message from one of the agents and saying, I'm out of a problem with my computer.

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And they've just screenshot their entire screen and send me a picture of the person's name, their address, their bank account details.

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It's like, whoa, what are you doing? Delete that bloody message.

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You know, they're all trained on it.

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Because I could, you know, they know that I'm IT and they know that I'm working IT and I won't steal that data.

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But what happens if I accidentally leave my desk open and someone does come in and see that data?

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Well, then whose remit does that fall under?

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You know, so it's just I can't just it honestly boggles my brain when I have to see these things sometimes.

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Have you got any horror stories, James, that you've experienced?

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Annoyingly, just more of the same.

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Like, as you've said, Microsoft sticky notes are mostly used for passwords.

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And a lot of those passwords are to products which then can train other people's personal data.

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I think the best one I've had.

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Like, sometimes people go old school and sometimes the old school stuff is in some ways safer.

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Like, I had one person return a request for change form, which is something that is required in order to change things by post, which isn't necessarily secure.

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Sorry. You know what? That's different.

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But like, yeah, you know what?

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In short, I've seen a lot of stuff that I'm not supposed to see.

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And quite often. Oh, I do remember I do love it when directors of companies let you on their machine and then they don't just have they don't just kind of let you see the Excel document for their own passwords, but the passwords for all of their members of staff.

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And not just their password for the thing you're helping them with, but their password for their accounting's product their password for their HR products and their password. Yeah, everything else in some of that. Yeah. And their secretary's passwords as well.

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So if I wanted if I wanted to I could take a quick screenshot of that commit fraud and have multiple people.

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Yeah, put multiple people's accounts involved in it, at which point it's then very hard to track. Exactly. I mean, obviously it's all IP based and stuff but they're not going to remember that the person they spoke to on the phone, helping with one thing stole their data.

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Obviously, because there's that element of trust isn't there between service desk and, you know, IT consultants and you know support people with their customers, they sort of just a trusting enough that we're not going to do that.

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Yeah, but still it's like they shouldn't have, you know, if you leave, you leave, there's leaving the key under the doormat, and there's leaving the door wide open. Yeah, exactly.

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So I came up with a flawless, flawless tactic to combat this. This was, this is me having one of my rants at my desk one day and I came up with an absolutely flawless technique to combat the problems that we quite commonly face on the service desk.

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And that is the introduction of a technology license. And the idea behind this is if you are over the age of 16 and not disabled, as in not unable to use technology, I think there should be a bit of a green pass to that kind of situation.

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But also if you're like old, then like there should be a bit of an allowance given to you then, because let's face it, my nan is never going to use a computer comfortably. She's the kind of person that's going to use one finger to type out her entire email address. It's going to take four hours to do it.

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But the idea is there's going to be a license. So you have to pass a test to obtain a license to use a computer or a phone or a light switch, just any kind of technology.

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Because at the amount of times when I talk to people, for example, I say to somebody, can I connect to your screen? And they go, yeah sure, how do we do that?

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And I say go to this web address and they go, how do I do that? And I'm like, hold on, you can't go to a web address? You can't go to an internet page? And the one that gets me is when I get somebody go, oh, is that on the Googles? And I'm like, okay, now I'm done.

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But the thing is as well, it's usually like head of HR that says that. It's never the security or the secretary that's on the front desk. They know exactly what they're doing.

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But it's usually someone like high up in the company that's like, sorry, what's a file explorer? Oh for Jesus.

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I know it's a bit of an IT technician's rant, but I firmly believe that there should be a bit more stringency taken when it comes to people being able to use computers, especially in places like the workplace.

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When you're in charge of more than just your own stuff. Like my phone, it connects to my bank account, it connects to my things. But what I don't have the ability to do with my phone is connect to thousands of other people's data.

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So how I manage that is up to me. Yeah, I mean, you do connect, but not directly. But I get what you mean. Yeah, because your phone obviously has access to other things.

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Your phone could be infected with malware and that malware could spread through various apps and stuff that you use. So in a way, yes.

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But on the similar lines, do you guys know what the or what the largest data breach was? And by largest, I mean number of records stolen. Was it a Sony one?

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Nope. No. Okay, then I don't know. Because Sony was huge. Sony was huge.

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I can't remember the exact figures, but there was one that's recorded as bigger. Now, I don't know when this was taken.

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This survey. James, any idea?

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It's not the one that affected our company, is it? No, no.

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Fantastic. So there's a website out there called CAM4. Now I'm told this is for gentlemanly pleasures.

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Do with that information what you'll. But in 2020, they were subject to a data breach where 10.88 billion records were seized by hackers. This included data such as the full names of people, email addresses, sexual orientation, chat transcripts, email correspondence, password hashes, IP addresses and payment logs for 10.88 billion records.

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So that's like 20 busy men. Yeah, probably. Yeah. That's a jolly good afternoon.

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Yeah, but you know, it's remarkable. You know, that was that was 2020. And there was.

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There was one as well before that by Yahoo. I think this one was put out a little bit. This got quite a lot of media attention because obviously it's not an adult website. But Yahoo in 2017, three billion accounts. Yeah.

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It's why I stopped using Yahoo Mail. Yeah, that was including names, email addresses, encrypted passwords and security questions and answers in plain text. Because why not encrypt things?

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Encryption is just for tech nerds. Apparently so. I mean, so they encrypted the passwords but didn't encrypt the security questions and answers. So you just logged on when I forgot my password and just do the answers and get the password that way.

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Sure. Yeah.

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You know, no problem. I haven't got a problem with that.

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So, you know, it's it's all these big companies. Do you want to hear about some of the some of the silliest breaches that I've managed to find? Yeah, go on.

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So, in 2013, Glasgow City Council had a data breach when a folder containing sensitive documents including job applications, contracts and bank details was found by a pedestrian on a public street. It was suspected that the folder blew out of a window.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, really?

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Wait, wait.

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Glasgow is quite windy.

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And I think it is, but yeah, just so a pedestrian on the Glasgow street was walking along, found a, I'm presuming, a brown folder that said confidential on the front of it, flicked open and there was job applications and contracts and all sorts of other things that was just lying on the street.

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And it's just things like that. And then we all know about the UK Ministry of Defence who left a laptop on a train. Yeah, that's one I was about to bring up. Yep.

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But to be fair, like they're, they're not great generally, like I'm not going to go into exact details but a friend of mine has the same name as somebody who works in the Ministry of Defence, and she just kept on receiving.

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James Bond?

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No, but she just kept on receiving just really sensitive data and every single time she just kept on saying, Hi guys.

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I'm not this person. Please stop sending me this stuff. And at that point they like the response was always, oh, oh, oh, oh, this isn't as bad as it seems.

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Janet you silly goose. Of course it's you. Have this list of terrorists.

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And there's another one in 2017 where the NHS who you know we all we hold dearly in this country. But by God are they silly sometimes. They sent out an email to 37 people disclosing their HIV status because they put people in the CC field rather than the BCC field. So 37 people were told of 36 other people's HIV status.

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No, no, no, no, that was intentional. What they wanted to do was start a support group.

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And here's 36 other people you can have a chat with.

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It's not very good at all.

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We've not got funding. So why don't you set up your own support.

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Yeah, it's just, but yeah, it's just data can go missing in all sorts of different ways. Can't it? Yeah, it's not. It's not criminals all the time. I think more than half the amount of times. It's not criminals.

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It's usually negligence. Yeah, three people's own silly things and leaving sticky notes on their desktops or little black books or folders blowing out of windows.

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It's just crazy. It's crazy, crazy.

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I mean, I've spoken with a couple of IT companies and obviously we've got a certain security protocol with the software that we use.

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And which, like, if you were to come to me and say, oh, I need this, like, your software installed on my computer, there's a set process that I go through certain boxes that need to be ticked and security policies that need to be implemented.

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Then you get onto a company's own IT company who is doing my job for that company. So instead of, like, basically I go to that IT company and go, OK, basically what you're going to do from here is you're going to do X, Y, and Z.

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You're going to install this, then you're going to install this, and then you can run this. And they go and do that for the hundred people that work for that company.

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And then you get a phone call from a worker in that company later on. And what they've actually done is they've bypassed two of your security protocols in order to make it convenient for the staff.

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And you end up sitting there having a heart attack going, oh, no, no, no, you can't, no, you can't, no, you can't do that.

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And the fact that it's an IT company that have done that, you kind of sit there and you go, why are you paying them lots of money to look after your data when they're not looking after your data?

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I mean, yeah, that usually happens when you have, like, out of house IT. Yeah. When all the companies hire another company to do your IT for you. They're not invested. I mean, financially they are.

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But they're not investing your data. They don't care about your data. All they care about is you're paying them at the end of the day. Yeah. So that's my problem with every single company.

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It's at a point where.

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Nobody's looking after the other person's good or interest. It's all.

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It's a lot. It's just the bottom line. It's just. Yeah.

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And I guess that's the thing that just kind of annoys me and doesn't surprise me that there's a lot of negligence when it comes to other people's data and other people's being.

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Oh, sorry. You know, I don't know where I. Yeah, I could quite easily get quite angry. It's probably written somewhere in a contract that you have to care. But I mean, who reads the fine print?

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Oh, exactly. And on the topic of fine print, have you watched much of Black Mirror?

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I don't. I'm going to be honest with you, Nick. I don't watch TV, mate. You don't watch TV? No, I haven't got the attention span for it.

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I have a friend of my. So several of my more intelligent and discerning friends. I don't believe that for a second. James are massively into Black Mirror.

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However, I will admit I have seen one episode. It was an episode which was a parody of Star Trek.

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I watched it because there was an element of it that was a parody of Star Trek. And as a result of that, I. Yeah. As a result of that, I watched it.

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You know, like, but I have heard, to be fair, I've been put off the first episode because I've had the plot explained to me in depth and my mates have gone into just how good it is and why it's so great.

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And it's just like there are some episodes that are better than others. But I will say that Black Mirror is fantastic. It's such a smart show.

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It's such a smart show is what I've heard. But one episode that I want to really go over is an episode which I'm pretty sure if the viewers of the listeners have watched any Black Mirror, they'll be sitting there shouting the name of the episode out already.

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It's called Joan is Awful. And essentially, this woman works for a corporation. All you see is this woman starts her day, goes to work as normal, sits down at her desk, has to fire someone as you would expect to happen in her role in the company,

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fires this person, gets a text message from an ex-boyfriend and goes home to her husband after meeting up with her ex-boyfriend for a drink, ends up kissing him, regrets everything, goes home to her boyfriend.

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And then is sat there with her current partner watching TV and her life starts playing to her on the TV. And basically it's AI generated footage because she'd ticked the terms and conditions inside the 400 page terms and conditions

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and the point was that this company, which is just a rebranded Netflix, should we say, has the right to then use her life's happenings as footage, as episodes.

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And it makes it more personal and it makes people more engaged and that's their idea behind it. But she's got no right to go and turn it off.

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And as much as the episode goes a bit further than that, the ground of it is people don't read the terms and conditions of a lot of things. They just click away, type, oh yeah I'm fine with that, click bang, that's it done.

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And the terms and conditions, I mean I've heard tell that anything that you put on Facebook or any Facebook owned application is property thereof Facebook.

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As soon as you put it on there, it's no longer your photo anymore, it's no longer your post anymore, it is Facebook's data.

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And your phone listens to you because you tell it it can do that and it listens to you and then gives you adverts based on what it can hear of you.

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And you're like, that's eavesdropping. If you're listening to me to give me adverts, then what else are you listening to me for?

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If when I post this picture online, it's no longer my data, it's no longer my picture, then who owns it? Where's it going from there? Because I no longer have control of that, that's now somebody else's.

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And that can be used again and again and again, willy nilly by these companies. And it really does bring that home and I think that's what they were going for when they made that episode of Black Mirror.

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It was like, be careful what you're doing as much as nobody ever does. Please be careful. It's not all just a given that they get a look after you.

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Somebody might actually go, you know, we're not going to. We're going to use our rights to completely do the opposite of look after you and make loads of money off of you.

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I will be honest with you. If you look back through human history, our, you know, our records of looking after the other isn't great.

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Just generally, I realize that's like saying the sky is blue, but I don't know what you're talking about. Jesus Christ literally, I literally came to earth, told us how to live good lives.

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And we, we nailed him to the cross. I mean, I don't know what you're talking about.

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In a nutshell,

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I wonder about how much does our phone actually here.

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Because, you know, like, am I going to be, for example, am I going to go to the toilet, come out and then have it say, oh, we noticed that your P cycle is slightly longer than average or slightly shorter than average.

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Have you thought about being tested for diabetes?

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You know, eventually, probably.

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Eventually, yeah, yeah.

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Eventually, there's all sorts of stuff in the pipeline. I mean, that was one of the things I was going to, I was going to mention Nick about your phone always listening.

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I watched a, I watched a video of someone.

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It was on YouTube. So take with that with a pinch of salt.

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But the gentleman unpacked a brand new phone straight out of the box.

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He signed into it with his brand new Google account, put on his desk and then started going on about how he really needs to go out and buy a new toy for his nephew.

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He really wants a new toy.

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He likes the color blue. It would be really good if I had some blue toys.

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And I continued as such for about five minutes and then just went on to Google and just searched through and flicked his like finger.

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And no doubt there was toys, kids toys, and there was specifically blue toys and things were angled towards like what young boys buy your nephew.

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It was a brand new phone on a brand new Google account.

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And it found it because it's always listening.

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There's always stuff going on. I mean, no doubt, probably because we've mentioned before about recording this podcast, my phone's probably picked it up.

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I'm going to get target adverts for a nice brand new Yeti snowball microphone and a nice pop filter and all these sorts of things, because that's what people who record podcasts usually have.

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So it's probably already in the pipeline.

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It's probably saved on my Google profile in some big database in San Francisco, wherever Google is located nowadays, that I recorded a podcast once.

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That exact scenario is the reason I deleted Facebook off of my phone.

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I was talking to my partner about Christmas presents and mentioned a specific toy store, went on my phone, opened up Facebook.

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You know, that typical mindless scrolling that you do whilst you're conversing with people.

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I opened Facebook and the first advert right in front of me was this toy store and I was like, no, no, I'm done.

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I just deleted Facebook there and then was like, no, you're not doing that.

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But my phone still does. Google still throws things at me that I've been talking about.

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And I'm like, no, no, I don't want you doing that.

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If you go onto a website, accept cookies, it's effectively saying we're OK to do targeted stuff and we're OK to do this sort of style thing.

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So it's all recorded somewhere. It's not just Facebook.

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Obviously, Facebook is owned by what they call Meta and that's a group.

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Google's own thing. So they've all got separate brands and pretty cool separate databases.

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If they decide to share that data, it's probably unlikely. But you know, just because Google's got something on you doesn't mean Facebook has.

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But, you know, on to sort of Facebook as well.

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What do you think, Nick and James, about when you go for a job interview and they scroll through your socials and try and find out if you're a maniac or something?

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Do you think that's a bit creepy?

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I mean, they'd be disappointed online because I haven't posted anything on Facebook or Instagram in about three years, four years.

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So I don't exist as far as social networking goes at the moment.

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I mean, I think people have a right to privacy and I think that people should be allowed to go out.

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And if they want, take photos of of having a nice time and not have to worry about like, I guess the.

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I mean, it's a public if you post it on a public domain, expect a public response.

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This is something that a friend of mine constantly know that's not fair. Often talks about.

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And it's but he uses it.

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No, I'm going to stop myself there because that's also right.

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Specifically to do with this. Fine. Short answer. Short answer, Adam.

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Yes, that's fucking creepy. I don't think they should be allowed to do it.

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I don't think that I think that it's a tool that happens nowadays.

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And as we are all applying for jobs in separate towns, separate places, a lot of stuff's online now.

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There's too many people to police.

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We've got too many physical walls in place and everybody's got too much, too much space, too much stuff, too much privacy.

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So, of course, companies have found ways of looking around that and people who want extra information have have found ways around that.

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It just annoys me, though, that even even in that situation, it's not going to be the best person who gets the job.

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It will be the person who covers their tracks the best. Exactly.

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I mean, the way that I thought about the whole situation is Nick, imagine you're applying for a job and you sit down and the interviewer brings out a tattered book and you look over and you see Nick Thorpe Year 2.

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And they flick through and go, so Mr Thorpe, it says here you think Rolf Harris was a good man.

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Sorry, we don't like paedophiles here. And then you don't get the job based on that.

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It's very similar to how people who go for your socials will be identifying it.

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Yeah, there's definitely two sides to the story, though, isn't there?

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Like if the tool exists, then people are going to use it.

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The only thing I'll say is, like, is there any really is there really any need to post it in the first place?

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If you're worried, if you're concerned that it might be used, then why are you posting it in the first place?

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Exactly. If you're posting pictures of yourself, you know, tattooing swastikas on people and, you know, going to KKK marches and stuff, you're probably not a very nice human anyway.

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And they'll probably gather that through the interview. Yeah.

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But, you know, but when I was younger and I was 10, 20 years ago and I posted, I thought the prime minister was a bit of a twat. Well, then why should that then prevent me from getting a job further down the line in politics?

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Is the company owned by the prime minister?

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Yeah, it's not it's not personal. But yes, you know, it's it's one of those things where it's why should, you know, 2010 Adam be punished?

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So why should 2023 Adam because of 20s? Yes, yes, sorry. It's all good. So good. You can't go back in time and punch Adam in the face.

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Yeah, I mean, sometimes I wish you could.

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Well done. You have you avoided a James kind of conversation.

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But yeah, you know, it's just it's really, really creepy and just there is just no privacy.

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Let's say if you put something in a public domain, it is now public. That information is free to use.

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You know, you don't you don't have people come around your house when you start the Facebook reading your Miranda rights. You know, you have the right to remain silent. It's like, well, no, I'm going to post these pictures of my holiday in Magaluf. Thank you very much.

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But it's just so creepy.

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Just like the idea of some middle aged woman going through my social media from 2010 2012 when I was but a mere child. Yeah. And being targeted like that because I had different opinions.

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And obviously, you know, we grow as people, you know, 13 years ago, I probably believed and did some stupid things that I probably wouldn't do nowadays.

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So, you know, that shouldn't really impact me getting a job. No, no, you're right. You're right. But like I said, if the tool exists, if the ability to use it exists.

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What you don't get from people is what you don't necessarily get from everybody is an upfront, honest display of who this person is. What you get is their their their performed, auditioned, predefined version of themselves that they want the employee, the employer to know.

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So being able to have that that unfiltered perspective of a perspective employee, it probably does help from a from an employer's perspective.

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But it probably does really help to ensure that what you're getting is what you want. You know, exactly.

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You know, I used to work in McDonald's when I was younger and I had a customer voice. It wasn't this sultry tone that you hear now.

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It was very much my sexy customer service phone voice.

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And I always used to get commented when I used to be like in the office or something. I have a talking like a mouth like a drunken sailor. And as soon as I walk out, oh, hello there. How could I help?

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And, you know, if you don't do those sort of background searches, it's why people do the criminal searches and check your criminal records because you're not going to be upfront about that in the interview.

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Yeah. Oh, by the way, a couple of years ago, I was done for assault on a minor. But can I come work at this school?

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You know, it's not going to, you know, you know, be upfront about that in your interview. So he did still want nothing.

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Yeah. He did call me a really bad word. So I might have ripped his fucking throat out, you know.

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You know, you're not if you're not forthcoming with that information, they're going to have to find it from somewhere.

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You know, I agree that, you know, if there's a tool about there, you know, is this person a creep dot com?

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You type someone's name in and you get to get an answer, you know, it exists. People only use it, aren't they?

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Yeah, that's annoying as well, because imagine you type in your own name.

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It's like, oh, this person is a creep. No, I would not want a website that defines because I have got I've rubbed up.

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I've rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way. I'm pretty sure I would have many minus karma points on whatever website that would be.

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Have you heard of this website? I think it's have I been pwned or have you been pwned?

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No, you go onto this website, you type your email address in and it searches for anywhere that your emails listed with their password.

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And so it's like these public facing websites that are like, oh, by the way,

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this email address and its password was released on these this many websites and this many databases.

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And it would let you know what the password that they found is. Obviously, other websites are available.

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But you advertise it. Yeah, apparently so.

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But the amount of times I used to go on one of these websites when I was younger and I typed in my email address thinking I'm really clever.

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Nothing. Oh, wait, that's my password. Oh, oh, shit. OK.

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And I have to change it myself because reverse, reverse. Yeah, exactly.

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You know, speaking of sort of self worth and stuff, do you know how much your data costs?

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If you were to give your sort of basic data a price.

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Well, I know I don't get I don't get anything personally from my data, which I think is completely backwards.

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I think if people are making millions and millions of pounds of my data, then I should be entitled to some kind of royalty.

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Right. I mean, you'd like to think so.

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But, you know, say I was I was a humble hacker and I managed to make a little a little part profile that had your name, your address, your sexual orientation and all this sort of stuff.

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Do you know how much that would that would cost? No. How much someone would buy that information for? No.

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Four pounds fifty. James, you pride yourself a bit more, sir. The average cost for a person in our demographic in America as of November twenty twenty is about eleven cents.

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Get out of town. I should be worth at least one cent of that.

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I'd like to spend more money. Yeah, it's. I'm in some. I don't mind. It's that cheap.

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It is what it is. People are going to use my data as soon as I put it online. They're going to use it, but at least show me some recognition.

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Yeah, but you know, it's it's it's just people.

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This is just your average cost of data. Obviously, it's more for younger people because that's a higher demographic.

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You know, I'm going to start again. I am insulted.

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It's because they've got more of a future to ruin, isn't it? Pretty much.

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You know, I am going to I've decided I'm going to start anything that I'm going to post online.

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What we're first going to do is I'm going to print it off, put it in an envelope and send it to myself.

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So I can prove that I created it. It's copyrighted.

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You know, I've got rights to that. You are your own person. Yeah. Yeah.

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And then I can post it online and anybody making money off that, I can take up the call.

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Now, it'd be nice. It'd be nice if we could do that.

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But yeah, so according to this this government website, I think that she wasn't a government website.

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I was a lie. But according to this website, aged 18 to 24, your average cost of data per person is 36 cents

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because you're a bit more of a higher demographic.

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Obviously, people don't want to buy one person's data, usually the database for the thousands.

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You know, if you take that into account, someone sells a database with a thousand names on it.

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You know, that's three hundred and sixty dollars just for that one one bit of database, which sounds all right.

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But if you narrow it down per person, it's only 36 cents.

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And then you knock royalties off. Yeah. Yeah.

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Once I get paid for it as well.

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Twenty five to thirty four is about 11 cents. Thirty five to forty four. It's 12 cents. Forty five to fifty four is twenty seven cents.

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And fifty five plus is five cents. Hold on. So I'm twelve cents.

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You undervalued me. Oh, sorry. I forgot you were an old man.

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So yeah, you're twelve cents.

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It spikes up to forty five to fifty four. I presume that's because the more vulnerable adult to really, really old and vulnerable people.

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So fifty five plus, they're really cheap, probably because they're so easy to give their information away.

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It's not that hard.

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You know, is it really their data if they can't remember anymore?

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Exactly. That was a bit harsh.

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I'm sorry. That was so heartless.

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But then that's for like basic data. Yeah. You know, that sort of basic PII.

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Do you know how much in America your full health care records would cost someone?

347
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000
A telegram. James, any idea?

348
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:06,000
I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, your full health records like that's that's quite a big deal. That's not just.

349
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Hi, my name is James. I'm from this town. Yeah.

350
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,000
You know, like that we're talking blood type. We're talking any. Yeah.

351
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000
And stuff. Yeah.

352
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,000
And if you were to put a monetary value on that.

353
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Obviously, if you were selling, you'd obviously mark it up, but these are people that you see that's where I went wrong. I was selling.

354
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:35,000
So, OK, honestly, OK, I would say that's worth at least thirty nine pounds.

355
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Ninety nine. James, you're undercutting yourself.

356
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Maybe it's not a lot on your health care record in America.

357
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,000
The average health care record would cost someone about two hundred and fifty dollars.

358
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,000
It's really weird. So like basic information is twelve cents.

359
00:46:51,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Yeah. And but full to learn about my boneitis, it's going to cost you two hundred and fifty dollars.

360
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Yeah, obviously, you know, but it's not necessary for malicious means.

361
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:15,000
You know, that's people that then they can get a better demographic of people and, you know, see, oh, well, maybe we'd do some more targeted ads based on this because this many people have got this element.

362
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,000
And, you know, those sorts of things. But something else will shock you.

363
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Do you know how much it is for car details?

364
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:33,000
So for someone to steal and sell your credit card details, does it does it does the balance on the account come into account?

365
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:40,000
It does. But on average. OK. OK. Well, mine's five hundred.

366
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Dollar. James has got a lot of money.

367
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000
He's loaded.

368
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000
High credit limit.

369
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,000
No, it's a divide that by a factor of 10, James.

370
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,000
It's about a factor of 100. Sorry.

371
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Five pounds for five dollars forty.

372
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Get your car details. Again, two hundred and fifty pounds for medical records.

373
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Which. Yeah. OK. So two hundred.

374
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,000
And is this just the difficulty of the information to get most likely?

375
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Yeah, because you would probably have to target someone specifically to get their health care records.

376
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:31,000
But if you're getting payment details, you know, you get onto a website, you get into a database, you can have thousands of people's accounts for that.

377
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,000
You know, the ease of access of them, because they're all going to be in the same place just on the different names.

378
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:42,000
So criminal record data must be worth a bomb.

379
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Probably on that in sort of those guards. I don't have the number in front of me.

380
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Although to be fair, you just browse Facebook for that kind of data, don't you?

381
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Exactly. Yeah, because the people post it up in jail again.

382
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:04,000
But yeah, you know, it's just it's just you can put a price on how much someone is, you know, same way you go.

383
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:12,000
So it cost me an arm and a leg and get all thirty four pound fifty, you know, because that's how much probably an arm and leg costs.

384
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,000
You know, I hope when I go for bionic arms and legs, that's how much they cost.

385
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Oh, no, that's what I'm like on ice on ice.

386
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:30,000
The annoying thing here is, though, you've got to then like you've got to have the fridge or no, sorry, freezer.

387
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Most definitely freezer ready. You know, like that, that's good. That's a lot of room.

388
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000
I feel like we're overthinking this.

389
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Probably not start a business.

390
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,000
All right. Yes.

391
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:53,000
You know, it's got to think about these things like like costing an arm and a leg like what is someone going to do an arm and a leg with?

392
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Like if you look at what money needs to be like, it needs to it needs to be sustainable.

393
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,000
It needs to have the same value to everyone. It needs to be transportable.

394
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,000
It needs to not spoil arm and a leg doesn't do that anyway.

395
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Sorry. Moving on. Yeah, I'd say it's just sort of.

396
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:22,000
It's just crazy. You know, people go for all this effort to, you know, hack websites and get into databases and people leaving passwords unattended.

397
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,000
And laptops are encrypted and, you know, things like that.

398
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:33,000
And at the end of it, you're not worth much in the grand scheme of things, you know, monetary wise.

399
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Obviously, you know, we're all just small cogs in the one big machine of life.

400
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,000
And I still want royalties. I don't care.

401
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:57,000
I say not that I'm trying to discourage people from bothering to, you know, look after your stuff because see, you know, all bit your, you know, one cog in machine of life, your cog is very special to you.

402
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:08,000
So, you know, people should take a bit more care in in their own personal well-being as well as, you know, your online presence, your data footprint.

403
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:19,000
So it would be. But, you know, it's just your data is worth a lot more to you than it is to other people.

404
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,000
So maybe people should take a bit more care in looking after their own data.

405
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:29,000
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And not just other people's data, not just your data, but everybody else's.

406
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:39,000
If you're in a position where you are like yourself, you work for a company that has a database of names, numbers, accounts, etc, etc.

407
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:53,000
You know, you obviously yourself, you pride yourself on being astute and careful when it comes to how you manage that data and how you protect that data yourself.

408
00:51:53,000 --> 00:52:07,000
Like, please, please do that yourselves, guys. Like, take the steps, like protect other people's data, probably more than you protect your own data because it's not yours.

409
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,000
That sounds really pathetic, but yeah, it's exactly what I mean. It's not yours. Be careful.

410
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Yeah, do a lot more damage with git go missing than.

411
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:25,000
Anyway, have you got any more there, James? Adam?

412
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,000
That's sort of the end of my notes, gents.

413
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:37,000
No worries. So I thought it being a special, it being 10 episodes in, we could have a little bit of fun.

414
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:52,000
And I drew up 10 questions that I've got based on this topic, which I'm going to pitch to you guys and then you guys can kind of confer and see if you can come up with the answers to the question yourselves and then throw it my way, alright?

415
00:52:52,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Sound good? Do our best job. No worries. I will definitely do my best. And obviously listeners. I will get distracted though.

416
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:09,000
See, you do yourself. It's just in my nation. No problem. It's kind of why I've started now, to be fair.

417
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:17,000
So these are all topics around, centered around technology. Doesn't necessarily mean computers.

418
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,000
It is technology and it's a broad spectrum.

419
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Okay. And also these questions were written by an autistic bloke. So I'm sorry.

420
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,000
Before we get started. Alright, I'm sorry. But have a bit of fun, alright?

421
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:54,000
So I'm going to start with question one. Alright, so question one. Which two blockbuster movie franchises based around technology and its ability to control humanity are linked both by creator and by its law?

422
00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Now you see, I don't watch films. So, sort of two major blockbuster films.

423
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Franchises. I will say franchises. You've got to be careful with that one.

424
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:13,000
Okay. Any ideas, James? You're a film person than me.

425
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:19,000
It's not a Maze Runner and the Hunger Games, is it?

426
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,000
No, not in this instance.

427
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
I'm assuming it's probably Matrix.

428
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,000
Okay.

429
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,000
Mixed with something else.

430
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Is the Matrix one of them? Because that one is, I guess, is the obvious one.

431
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,000
I will say that. It is, yes, the Matrix.

432
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Is Black Mirror made by the same people?

433
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,000
No, no. They are movie franchises. I will say this.

434
00:54:45,000 --> 00:55:00,000
The annoying thing here is you said it's law, which I know means its thing, but unfortunately that had me immediately going to the laws of robotics, which made me then think of iRobot.

435
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:10,000
But that's written by Isaac Asimov, a writer from the 1950s who I'm pretty sure is now dead. So it's not the same thing.

436
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Do you mean law as in the LAW law?

437
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,000
L-O-R-E.

438
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Oh, the bank. Okay. So something that goes along with the Matrix. Now, I don't want to trouble your listeners for too much longer. I was just rambling about movies because I have no idea.

439
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:43,000
I wasn't aware of any spin off to the Matrix series other than the Animatrix series. As a matter of fact, it came before.

440
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Get out of town.

441
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Is it Terminator?

442
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
Absolutely.

443
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,000
No. No. Get the fudge out of town.

444
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Look it up, right? Look it up.

445
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Really? That was made by the same people?

446
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Sophia Stewart created the Terminator and the Matrix. And they are linked.

447
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:27,000
You think of Terminator as the birth of the machine taking control over humanity and the Matrix as humanity taking back control from the machine.

448
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:34,000
There's so much more to it as well. There's hints of religion in there as well.

449
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Well, in the Matrix and in the Animatrix, they often... yeah, the references are left, right and centre.

450
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:50,000
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I thought that was absolutely unbelievable when I found out. So I had to put that in.

451
00:56:50,000 --> 00:57:03,000
I mean, I'm really disappointed now that somewhere in the Matrix there's not people trying to watch TV and then it turns out that there's just a flame inside the TV.

452
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,000
No? Not getting that reference?

453
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Not getting that reference. No, no.

454
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:24,000
It's fine. It's in the starting... it's in the starting... it's in the starting... scenes of the Terminator where it's trying to set up the world as an incredibly negative...

455
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,000
I thought you were referencing the IT crowd, James.

456
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:32,000
No, that in turn was referencing Terminator in its own way.

457
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,000
And walk away.

458
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,000
My pop culture reference is that it goes far back as the IT crowd.

459
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,000
I mean, what a show.

460
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:49,000
I mean, they even had the internet on there. The internet.

461
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Well, they got the pass from the hawks.

462
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Yeah, from London Bridge. Yeah, absolutely.

463
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,000
OK, question two. Question two. Well done, guys. That was not an easy one. I'll say that.

464
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,000
Question two. So you'll probably get this straight off the cuff.

465
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:20,000
But ChatGPT is an active learning language model system. Which AI software is used as its base and which release is it currently on?

466
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Well, I know it's 3.5.

467
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,000
I was going to say 3.

468
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:32,000
No, no, no. Their premium version is four. But their current base, freemium, freemium.

469
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Yeah, that's a word. Their version is 3.5.

470
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:40,000
If it's not patented.

471
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,000
But you say what language is it built on, do you say?

472
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Which AI software is used as its base?

473
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,000
Oh, goodness. I think I knew this one.

474
00:58:53,000 --> 00:59:04,000
I mean, I'm not going to, you know, beat around the bush. As a man who uses IT a lot, ChatGPT is very good.

475
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,000
It answers a lot of questions that I need answers to sometimes.

476
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
In ways that your employee actually believes it to you too.

477
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:18,000
Oh, exactly. Exactly. All the compliments.

478
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:30,000
I don't know on that one.

479
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,000
OK, sorry. So the question is, what's its point and then what is it based off of?

480
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,000
So what release is it on? What release is it on?

481
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,000
OK, I'll just say free, even though I know that that's wrong based from what Adam said.

482
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,000
Well, you've already given a later release, haven't you?

483
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,000
You've already both identified that there's a later release to ChatGPT.

484
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,000
OK, so I guess we'll say for I don't know what it's based off of.

485
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Open AI.

486
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,000
OK.

487
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,000
Open AI, ChatGPT 4.

488
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,000
So well done. You got half a point for that one. For GPT 4.

489
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Does that mean we're currently beating your missus?

490
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,000
Yes, she got one.

491
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Not in the literal sense, ladies and gentlemen.

492
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,000
Like Nick would have totally...

493
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:24,000
I'll let her know that you're on the way to go and beat my missus.

494
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,000
Well, I'm certain you would have broken both my arms already. Anyway, moving on.

495
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,000
Don't make your own domestic violence here.

496
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,000
No, we do not, ladies and gentlemen.

497
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:46,000
In iRobot, there are three laws which govern the behavior of sentient robots. What are they?

498
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:53,000
The first rule of robotics is that robots aren't allowed to harm humans.

499
01:00:53,000 --> 01:01:02,000
The second rule of robotics is that they are not allowed to harm other robots.

500
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:08,000
And I think the third law of robotics is that they can't harm themselves.

501
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,000
The annoying thing is each of the laws has a precedent.

502
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:24,000
And I find it in all of the original iRobot books, which my dad did.

503
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:29,000
You know, he made an effort. I wasn't a very sociable child. I wasn't an easy child to get along with.

504
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:40,000
If he tried to introduce these theories to me way before the Will Smith film, looks at what happens if you play around with those laws.

505
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,000
So in one of the stories, they lower or they heighten the...

506
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,000
Oh, wait. No, no, no. Sorry.

507
01:01:51,000 --> 01:02:03,000
It cannot harm humans, must obey humans, cannot cause an action that will cause harm to itself.

508
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:09,000
So sorry. It's harm humans, obey humans, cannot cause action that causes harm to itself.

509
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:28,000
I love it because in one of the books, they created this probe, which is supposed to go out into space, I think it is, and fly into this anomaly and do its best to scan it.

510
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:48,000
They heighten because it cost a lot of money and the people wanted their money back afterwards. They heightened the third law to the level of the second law, at which point the robot gets caught in a contradiction because it must obey humans in that it's got to go scan this thing.

511
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,000
Yet it also can't do anything that's going to cause harm to itself when it perceives danger.

512
01:02:53,000 --> 01:03:01,000
So they go into a certain distance away from this anomaly where the data is still useless and then just circles it.

513
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,000
And then you've got the...

514
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:13,000
Yeah, you've then got like the iRobot the film from, was it 2010 or was it 2007?

515
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,000
Will Smith, yeah, yeah. It's one of those. I don't know dates. I don't know dates, but it's the Will Smith one.

516
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Yeah, they looked at how what a machine does when it starts to question these laws, but then also comes up with its own interpretation of them.

517
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:36,000
So the problem in that film is that, sorry, I'm autistic myself occasionally I remember things I'm just remembering things now.

518
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Vicky, sorry spoilers for the 2000 and something film.

519
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:56,000
Vicky understands that it can't do things which allow to cause harm to humans, but she realizes that

520
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:05,000
by allowing humans to live free and being subservient to them, she is in fact allowing harm to occur to humans.

521
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Because of humans.

522
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:15,000
And so what she then tries to do is place herself in the head of governments.

523
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:21,000
Because in order to fulfill that first law.

524
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:31,000
Which we've discussed in the past, haven't we? You mentioned iRobot when I was discussing AI as leadership.

525
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:39,000
But it's fine. It's a brilliant set of books. I would recommend any of the iRobot series by Isaac Asimov.

526
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:50,000
Isaac Asimov was a science fiction writer. Weirdly enough, he wrote these books before the first computer was truly made.

527
01:04:50,000 --> 01:05:02,000
Although you can argue that Ada Lovelace came up with the mathematical equations that made computers possible.

528
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:10,000
He came up with a lot of this stuff before science fiction had made it all possible.

529
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:18,000
Like loads of people have been scared of Iron Men or the idea of machine people.

530
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,000
Yeah, it's one reason why they made the robots look like robots, isn't it?

531
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:35,000
Yeah, but the thing that I really respect about Isaac Asimov is his use of satire as a...

532
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,000
You know what, sorry guys, moving on to the next question. I'm not sorry listeners. Apologies.

533
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:47,000
You're all good. The main point is that you've got the three laws.

534
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Three laws, well done buddy. Well done. Fantastic.

535
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:58,000
So yeah, exactly that. A robot cannot harm a human or by its inaction allow a human to come to harm.

536
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:08,000
The second law is that a robot shall obey instructions given to it by a human unless that instruction contravenes the first law.

537
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:15,000
And the third law is that a robot shall avoid actions and situations that can cause it to come to harm itself

538
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,000
unless it contradicts with laws one and two.

539
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,000
That's it. That's exactly it.

540
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:28,000
There you go. Okay, so question four, going on a bit of a history lesson now.

541
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:43,000
So three artifacts were found in Iraq in 1936 which it is thought when used together could possibly form the earliest battery ever used.

542
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:52,000
What is it called?

543
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000
The silence is beautiful.

544
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,000
Three artifacts found in Iraq.

545
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Which it is thought that when used together they could possibly form the earliest battery ever used.

546
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:13,000
In Agamemnon's lemon jar. No.

547
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:31,000
It's probably something similar isn't it. It's going to be some form of saline liquid or something in a jar with two prongs that maybe the liquid held a charge, similarly to how you can power a light bulb with a lemon.

548
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:37,000
The Biden of weird twitching.

549
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:42,000
No, no, no. The actual name. You've got to think Iraq.

550
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,000
I don't want to.

551
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000
The Babylonian.

552
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
No.

553
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:55,000
Modern day names for somewhere in Iraq.

554
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000
The Baghdad battery.

555
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
There you go.

556
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,000
Oh my god I thought I was being horribly racist but I said it anyway.

557
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,000
No it's literally called the Baghdad battery.

558
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:11,000
They found a jar, a copper rod and an iron prong.

559
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:20,000
Which they believe if you put the two in the jar together with some lemon juice might create a battery.

560
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:35,000
And it was carbon dated from roughly between 200 and 300 AD.

561
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,000
I think that's just people trying to science things when things don't need to be science.

562
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,000
Yeah, yeah, that happens a lot. Here's another one.

563
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:51,000
The annoying thing is that genius isn't a modern thing.

564
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:58,000
It didn't start in, again apologies my listeners, we'll keep, yeah sorry, go with the next question.

565
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,000
You're fine. You really need to finish those thoughts next time though, James.

566
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,000
We're not bothered, you need to carry on.

567
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:13,000
You leave me with unanswered questions, man. I sit there after the podcast, laying in bed going, what was James going to say?

568
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,000
No you shouldn't, don't worry about my thoughts. But anyway, just yeah, let's go with these questions.

569
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,000
They're all sultry.

570
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:28,000
Okay question five. Christopher Dunn. Does anybody know who Christopher Dunn is?

571
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,000
Related to Christopher Dunn?

572
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:37,000
I was going to say isn't he related to Stephen Finished?

573
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:51,000
Okay, moving on. Christopher Dunn, who is an engineer who studied the Egyptian pyramids, wrote a book which explains his theory following 20 years of research.

574
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:59,000
In this book, what does he believe the pyramids actually are?

575
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,000
Is this the one where it's...

576
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
Is it a spaceship?

577
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,000
No.

578
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,000
Or is it some sort of antenna, like a satellite dish or something?

579
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:25,000
No. No. And believe it or not, his science is... it's spot on. You can see how he came to the conclusion that he came.

580
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,000
This has got to be semi sarcastic.

581
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,000
I can only think of sarcastic answers, yeah.

582
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,000
Is it the perfect triangle?

583
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:40,000
No, because it's not actually three-sided, it's not actually four-sided. It's eight-sided. The pyramids are eight-sided.

584
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Oh, get out of town. They're eight-sided. No.

585
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Yep.

586
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Really?

587
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,000
Yep. Look it up. Look it up. And the mathematics on it are spot on.

588
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:57,000
Okay, so alright, then I change it. The perfect dodeca... no. The perfect octahedron.

589
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:10,000
No. The pyramids, he believes, were acoustical devices to generate power.

590
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,000
Wait, what?

591
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,000
I'm going to elaborate on this a little bit more, Nick.

592
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,000
Okay, so...

593
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,000
Wait, wait, wait. What kind of power? Are we talking electrical power?

594
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,000
Yeah.

595
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,000
No.

596
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,000
How?

597
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,000
There's two chambers. Lower chamber and upper chamber, okay?

598
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:39,000
Then they have a big corridor that goes up the side of the pyramid, which has steps, not steps, but like slots in, right?

599
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Which he theorises would have held resonators of some description. Something that would cause a resonation if hit with the right frequency, should we say.

600
01:11:52,000 --> 01:12:09,000
And that in turn would generate power. Now, into, if you think about the Great Pyramid of Giza, Khufu's pyramid, there is actually, into the king's chamber as it's labelled, there is actually two shafts which go out to the surface, right?

601
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:30,000
And in each of those shafts they found traces of different materials, like sulphuric acid. And what they hypothesise is that it was actually like a big chemical cooking pot that you just pour certain materials into those two slots.

602
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:43,000
And then as they go into the king's chamber, and then it mixes together, and it forms such a like, vibrator-like, such an explosion in that area, because it's so solid in stone around it, because it's tonnes and tonnes of stone.

603
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:56,000
It doesn't just blow out, it creates an explosion within itself that then causes these resonators to vibrate and then generate electricity.

604
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:00,000
And then finally it's formed a combustion engine, is what they theorised it was.

605
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:12,000
Yeah, well that's what Christopher Dunn theorises it is. And like I said, if you actually look into his theory, there's a lot of sense there, it makes a hell of a lot of sense.

606
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:27,000
So I'm not one to sit and go, oh yeah, it's absolute bollocks, like ancient Egypt was built by X, Y and Z and this is Y. But you can't rule it out, calm down, calm down.

607
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:50,000
You can't rule it out. Likewise, I'm not going to rule out that it was built by aliens either, I wasn't there, I'm not going to know. What I do know is that it certainly wasn't built by hundreds and thousands of Jews dragging stones up on logs.

608
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:58,000
Especially the weight of the stones that they were dragging up. It doesn't make sense, the mass doesn't make sense, none of it makes sense, so it's got to be something else.

609
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:04,000
And Christopher Dunn's theory is reasonably fantastic.

610
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:23,000
I'm really sorry, which is, no, no, no, no, I will say this, sorry, I'm sticking to my original theory so far, and I probably will abandon it at one point, but I still reckon it's just that they lied in their history books.

611
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:39,000
The Egyptians? Yeah. The Egyptians didn't, they themselves tell us in their own hieroglyphics that they inherited the pyramids and the Sphinx, they didn't build it.

612
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,000
Wait, get out of town, really? Yep.

613
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:53,000
And yet, Egyptologists will throw that theory straight out a window because, well, it doesn't ring true with what they want to believe, so don't.

614
01:14:53,000 --> 01:15:06,000
But then, you can't hold that against them, there's talk of, who's the guy who said Eureka, was that Archimedes?

615
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:12,000
The great guy in the bath, who, was it Pythagoras? Pythagoras possibly, yeah, either that or Plato.

616
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:28,000
Okay, the guy, the guy's, okay, so like, did you know that? Well Pythagoras was educated in Egypt, wasn't he? He was educated in the great library of Alexandra, so most of his knowledge came from Egypt.

617
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:37,000
Well, it's interesting that like, people die for all kinds of views all the time. I realize we're going off topic and I apologize to listeners, but bear with me.

618
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000
I love going off topic, let's do it more.

619
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:54,000
Right, okay, great. So, somebody, so Pythagoras, we're going to say Pythagoras. Pythagoras' cult believed that there was no such thing as an irrational number.

620
01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:09,000
A student came up with an equation that proved that irrational numbers do exist. Do you think that Pythagoras thanked the man for extending his knowledge and for disproving the theories that have come before?

621
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,000
No, because that's not how people like that work.

622
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,000
Yeah.

623
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,000
He would have had him killed.

624
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:22,000
That's exactly what he did. He had him drowned in that bath. No, I'm not even kidding you guys, that is a horrible historical fact.

625
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,000
That's reality, isn't it?

626
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,000
Archimedes, there we go.

627
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:35,000
That's reality, isn't it? That is, people are threatened by it. If you feel threatened by it, kill it. I mean, I was in Australia.

628
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,000
I mean, that is how I act with spiders.

629
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:43,000
I was in Australia and a redback came walking across the decking towards me and I stamped on it.

630
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,000
That is entirely, yeah, that's the feature.

631
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:52,000
It's instinctual, you know? That is the fifth or sixth most poisonous spider in the world.

632
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:58,000
I felt threatened by it. It was tiny. It was probably no bigger than my little toe.

633
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:09,000
But it's now dead and I will tell you this, the twenty minutes that followed, I was almost silverback gorilla-esque, beating my chest.

634
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:16,000
I am man. Me, man, kill, big, scary spider.

635
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,000
I crushed it under my manly boot.

636
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Yeah, you might be so powerful, you might be so venomous, but can't handle a size ten.

637
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,000
Fantastic. What's the next question?

638
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:50,000
Okay, moving on. Okay, number six. The guidance computer built to land on the moon in Apollo 11 was the size of a shoebox at sixty centimeters by fifteen centimeters and weighed thirty kilos.

639
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:55,000
However, can you tell me what its storage capacity was?

640
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:05,000
Oh, it's something stupid. I know. It's something smaller than the memory card for a PS2. It was like sixty four kilobits.

641
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,000
Oh, you know what? I'm going to give you that.

642
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:15,000
Based on like, this is like fixed memory, so this is like hard disk space.

643
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:21,000
I can also tell you what RAM, unless you can tell me what RAM it had.

644
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,000
I might have got confused with RAM and hard disk space.

645
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:36,000
No, no, no, no. Seventy four kilobytes is the fixed memory, is the hard disk space. Seventy four kilobytes.

646
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:43,000
What, what, can you tell me how many, how much RAM it had?

647
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,000
Yeah, eight bit.

648
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:49,000
It's probably less than that. Obviously, so it's probably like, five kilobits.

649
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,000
It wasn't eight bit, it was four kilobits.

650
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Of course it was.

651
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Four kilobits.

652
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,000
A little bit off, a little bit off.

653
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:06,000
Yeah, no doubt that four kilobytes came on sixteen sticks that were half the size of the entire machine.

654
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,000
Probably.

655
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:16,000
It's just amazing that how much that sort of data storage has grown exponentially.

656
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,000
Yeah.

657
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:26,000
Even when, you know, during the lockdown when people were obviously upgrading their machines and prices were stupidly expensive for like any sort of computer parts.

658
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,000
Yeah.

659
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:36,000
You were looking at like, I mean, an arbitrary number about 200 pound for like a terabyte of storage.

660
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:42,000
And now I can find a flash drive that's got like a terabyte of data storage on it for like 30 quid.

661
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,000
Yeah.

662
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:52,000
It's just, you know, flash memory is just so, the technology in it is so advanced nowadays that it can just be fitted into a thumb drive.

663
01:19:52,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Well the thing is, when during lockdown everybody wanted to upgrade their machines, but of course Micron and other companies that were making the chips were closed.

664
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,000
Yeah, because there was a silicon shortage as well.

665
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:14,000
There was a silicon shortage, the factories were shut, like nobody was making the chips anymore and everybody wanted to buy them.

666
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:21,000
And it was like, need, isn't it, demand increases value.

667
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,000
Exactly. And there was lack of supply and demand went skyrocketed.

668
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Yeah.

669
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:36,000
I mean, I think it was, it was Nvidia that did their 30 series release, mid global pandemic.

670
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:41,000
And I was like, hey guys, this is going to cost you 260 pounds. And I was like, that's great.

671
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,000
Yeah, add a zero on the end.

672
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,000
They sold out in minutes.

673
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,000
And all the scalpers, like you say, bashed a zero on the end.

674
01:20:48,000 --> 01:21:00,000
I think you know it, because I think I bought, you from, I think CEX, I think I bought it, I bought like a really cheap graphics card because my other one blew up.

675
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:04,000
And I bought that for like 20 quid just because I needed something.

676
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:08,000
And then during lockdown I sold that same graphics card for like 120 pounds.

677
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,000
Yeah, yeah.

678
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:26,000
See, I wanted a 3080 and I built a new machine, unluckily for me, the Christmas before lockdown.

679
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:35,000
Right. But what I did was I went, right, processor, RAM, solid state drive, case.

680
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:44,000
I've got a 1060, I'll leave that in it for now. When they release the 30 series, I will get a 30 series. I'll get a 3080.

681
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:49,000
Sound logic, normal climate, that's sound logic, you know.

682
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,000
Yeah.

683
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,000
And then it comes around to the release when mid lockdown.

684
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,000
And I'm like, I can't get it, I can't get it from anywhere.

685
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:03,000
And when you look on eBay and things like that, they're selling for two and a half thousand pounds.

686
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,000
Yeah, for the base model as well.

687
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:10,000
Yeah, that's not for one of the four win threes or anything like that. It's literally.

688
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:19,000
For a 3060, four gigs of VRAM, bog standard, Bob's your uncle, RRP on them for like 180 quid.

689
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:34,000
I ended up sticking with the 1060 for another six months and eventually ended up buying a 3070, which still cost me 700 pounds when I got it.

690
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,000
RRP on a 3070 is about five quid.

691
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:43,000
Yeah, I waited mine out and I think I ended up getting my 3070 for about 380.

692
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:54,000
I think during like the period of time where we were told to go out, but not go out, but go to a restaurant, but stay indoors.

693
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Which of course you listened to because you bought a graphics card.

694
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,000
No, I ordered it online. I'm not crazy.

695
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:07,000
No, I meant you definitely, definitely, definitely went out with when you've got a brand new graphics card in your machine at home.

696
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,000
Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I went out to all the restaurants.

697
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,000
Yeah.

698
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,000
Yeah, cooking simulator. Amazing.

699
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:21,000
Contributed to all the spread of covid from the comfort of your own living room.

700
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,000
Exactly. I was one of the good boys.

701
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:34,000
I worked in care, so I actively contributed to the spread of covid without having any choice in the matter.

702
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:41,000
It was either that, like it was either I spread covid or my family don't eat. So what are you going to do?

703
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,000
Anyway, moving on. Let's move on, shall we?

704
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:52,000
Question seven. Can you tell me who designed the first television in 1925?

705
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Sounds like a James fact to me.

706
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,000
I'm really sorry. No.

707
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,000
Was it Arthur Television?

708
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,000
No, he only invented half of it.

709
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:08,000
Just the antenna.

710
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,000
Oh, that was Tony, wasn't it?

711
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,000
Anyway.

712
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,000
Who designed the first television?

713
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:23,000
In 1925. He patented it in 1922.

714
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:33,000
No, he started playing with it, but he managed to come up with his idea in 1922, patented it in 1923,

715
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:38,000
and then managed to get his first working television in 1925.

716
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,000
Was it Bruce Forsythe?

717
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,000
You'd think so.

718
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:52,000
No, that's why he set up his own career. Love it. I love it. I'm sorry. I know it's not true, but I want it to be.

719
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:57,000
I'm afraid it's not. I'm going to go back and rewrite the history books.

720
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:03,000
He just got tired of dancing door to door, like walking, walking up to a thing, knocking on the door.

721
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,000
Hi there. I'm a multi entertainer. Can I come into your house?

722
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:11,000
He wouldn't go door to door. He'd go to a tower block.

723
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:16,000
Because then he'd go higher or lower.

724
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,000
You're right. He was moving up in the world.

725
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:24,000
Right. Sorry. Okay. Next question.

726
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,000
We're moving on without the answer now, aren't we James?

727
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000
I'm sorry.

728
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000
The name is going to sound so...

729
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:38,000
Yeah, we're done. We don't need the answer. It was Bruce Forsythe. We're done.

730
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,000
No, it was a bloke called John Logie Baird.

731
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:52,000
Now, I don't know you. This is an interesting fact. I don't know if you know, but in Hastings, there is a Wetherspoons pub called the John Logie Baird.

732
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000
Do you know why?

733
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:59,000
Was it the first pub or the first building to have a television?

734
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:09,000
No. No, it's because John Logie Baird lived in Bexhill.

735
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000
Didn't know that.

736
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:16,000
Is it because his descendant of his lived there or it was...

737
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:26,000
It's literally just because John Logie Baird lived in Bexhill, just up the road from Hastings.

738
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,000
To be fair, that makes sense.

739
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:40,000
Wetherspoons kind of do this thing, don't they? Where they're like, oh, we'll throw a bit of an homage to this or that in our pub name or whatever.

740
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,000
Absolutely. For example...

741
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:48,000
Yeah, you know what? How much information do we give out here?

742
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,000
Ah, you know what? That's a conversation I should have had beforehand.

743
01:26:52,000 --> 01:27:01,000
But yeah, you do see it all over the place. You're right. They'll name it after famous people from local areas.

744
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,000
In this instance, it was John Logie Baird.

745
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:15,000
OK, question eight. Which company produced the first commercially sold mobile phone?

746
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,000
It wasn't British Telecom, was it?

747
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000
No.

748
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,000
Was it Motorola?

749
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,000
Hey, there he is.

750
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,000
Oh my god, well done. Very nicely done.

751
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,000
Can you give it a year? Give it a year? 2023, mate.

752
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:37,000
I don't like you sometimes.

753
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,000
Can I take a guess at the year?

754
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,000
Yeah, yeah.

755
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:50,000
All right, and is this commercially sold? Because mobile phones existed in the military previous to like their commercial selling.

756
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,000
No, this was commercially sold.

757
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,000
Right. 1978.

758
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,000
No.

759
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,000
Higher or lower?

760
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:05,000
Higher.

761
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,000
Does that mean it's older or newer?

762
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,000
Well, you didn't ask that, did you? You asked higher or lower.

763
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:17,000
That's another question. That's one of your lifelines already gone. You're going to have to phone a friend now.

764
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:23,000
OK, but Adam, guess because I can't hit multiple. I can't keep on guessing. It's just not fair.

765
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:29,000
Nineteen?

766
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:33,000
Nineteen. So, I mean, you see the big brick ones. I think that's probably what.

767
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:40,000
Yeah, the ones that had their own battery that you like carried it or the suitcase that you like.

768
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,000
Yeah, the suitcase for a gentleman.

769
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:48,000
So was that 70s? That doesn't seem like a 70s thing.

770
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:57,000
I thought there might be a slightly earlier one or that they released them earlier and then they became popular in the 80s when everyone decided to be a douche.

771
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,000
I don't know why they called it a mobile phone. It was more of a walkie talkie, let's face it.

772
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,000
It was, yeah.

773
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,000
There was only two people that bloody had them at the time, weren't there?

774
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:09,000
Well, yeah, but it made them both incredibly happy before they died.

775
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:14,000
Nope.

776
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:18,000
Lovely long chat. Nineteen eighty six.

777
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,000
Eighty four.

778
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,000
OK, split hairs.

779
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:26,000
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to go over it. Lower, lower, let's go again.

780
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:30,000
Well, we do well.

781
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Number nine. OK, the most commonly used piece of technology is the mobile phone.

782
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:44,000
How many are currently in use in the world? Sorry, I said that wrong.

783
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,000
In the world.

784
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,000
Pop gear, very nicely done.

785
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:57,000
Well, currently in use as in like actively being used for like, OK.

786
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:07,000
Obviously because you see these during like the Pokemon Go phase, there was that one Thai man from, I can't know if it was Thailand or if it was Vietnam or something.

787
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:12,000
I was going to say that one Thai man and then he went from and I was like, well, I'm guessing Thailand.

788
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Yeah, but he was from he was from sort of the Southeast Asia.

789
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:20,000
He had a bike, you know, like the old Vespers that had like a thousand mirrors on them.

790
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:28,000
Yeah. But he attached the mobile phone to each one and then was driving around collecting the Pokemon and wherever he went, he caused a traffic jam on Google Maps.

791
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:37,000
And I need to be fair, like he did better than my mate did because he just hacked the program and sat in his bedroom and went everywhere.

792
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:41,000
Yeah, there is that. Anyway, sorry, mobile phones.

793
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Ladies and gentlemen, if you did that in order to do Pokemon Go, you're a cheater.

794
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,000
Absolutely. We don't condone your action.

795
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:55,000
You're very, very smart. And I do tip of the hat to you, but it's a tip of the hat and then a fist shake.

796
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:59,000
Yeah. Mixed emotions on that one. Right. Sorry.

797
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,000
Yeah. Well, there's at least three.

798
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:08,000
Are those the ones that you can physically see in your house right now?

799
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,000
Well, there's mine, there's yours and there's Nick's.

800
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,000
Oh, that's true.

801
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,000
So there's a little bit more than three, I suppose.

802
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:22,000
I'm using a computer to do this. I'm doing Discord on my computer.

803
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:28,000
I mean, I'm not on my phone, James. It might sound like it with this horrible headset, but I'm not on my phone.

804
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,000
OK.

805
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:36,000
There's probably as many mobile phones as there are humans.

806
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,000
How many humans are there then?

807
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Well, that's a different question.

808
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:47,000
Well, no, it's a process of elimination, isn't it? Because then you've got to take away the infirm and children.

809
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,000
I mean, children have mobile phones nowadays, don't they?

810
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,000
OK. Infants.

811
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:57,000
Infants. Infants have mobile phones.

812
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:04,000
We're probably in millions, aren't we?

813
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,000
Are we talking in the UK now?

814
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,000
OK, fine. I'm just going to guess a number, OK?

815
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,000
Go. Yeah.

816
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,000
Two hundred million.

817
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,000
The drop in the ocean.

818
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,000
God damn.

819
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,000
OK, so, Wig, I'm going to guess.

820
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,000
The 8-bit on the moon landing computer all over again.

821
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,000
Yep.

822
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,000
A hundred billion.

823
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:36,000
Now, that is ridiculous.

824
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:44,000
You would do it better if you went along the lines of trying to work out the populace of the world, man.

825
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:48,000
You'd have got a better answer.

826
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,000
There are eight billion people on the Earth, OK?

827
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:58,000
And each one has a million phones each.

828
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:04,000
You take away everybody's now, alright?

829
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:13,000
And your youngest niece?

830
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,000
So it's a little bit shy of eight then.

831
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:19,000
So it's probably what, like six or maybe five?

832
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:24,000
Six point eight four billion mobile phones in use in the world right now.

833
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:31,000
And they wonder why cancer's so rough.

834
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:32,000
And the silence.

835
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:36,000
And the silence.

836
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,000
Cool. Alright, you know what?

837
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,000
The joke I made earlier was going to talk about cancer,

838
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:44,000
but I don't know if any of our listeners have loved ones who are suffering with that and it's a horrible condition.

839
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,000
It is a horrible condition. Absolutely horrible condition.

840
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:51,000
There is hypothesis that 5G and 4G and all the rest of it causes it.

841
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,000
Who's to know?

842
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:57,000
There's too much money being made off of these machines to actually get honest answers from companies,

843
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,000
so you're never really going to know, are you?

844
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,000
Question ten.

845
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:14,000
GPS revolutionized travel after its release in 1983 and further assisted the public by being combined with mobile phones and sat nav systems.

846
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:19,000
How many satellites are there which assist with GPS systems?

847
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:26,000
God damn it, I was really banking on you asking what does GPS stand for, which is Global Positioning System.

848
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,000
Okay.

849
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:34,000
Yeah, I don't actually know the answer to your question. Let's say 3000. There you go.

850
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:44,000
I mean there are a lot of satellites in the atmosphere, but there's not that many all localized around GPS.

851
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,000
Adam?

852
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,000
Well, because they have to triangulate things, don't they?

853
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,000
That's how it works.

854
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,000
It just means three, surely.

855
01:34:52,000 --> 01:35:03,000
Yeah, it's about around three. I suppose if you think of a 3D object, there's going to be what, like five at the very least.

856
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,000
Okay, give me a number.

857
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:10,000
Err, 15.

858
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:20,000
Okay, okay. Reasonable. There are 38 total satellites that can help with sat nav and GPS.

859
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,000
Really? That few?

860
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,000
38, yep. However...

861
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:32,000
So if I have my flying monkeys fly into the upper atmosphere and shoot down like, yeah, a couple of those...

862
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:38,000
You're probably more likely to get a SpaceX one that's been listening in on conversations more than a GPS one.

863
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
Yeah, yeah.

864
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:52,000
No, 38, but it's actually like they have the capability of having 38 because there are 38 up there that have the capability, but they're actually only probably using 26.

865
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:57,000
That's really... I'm really honestly surprised it's that few.

866
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,000
Yeah, it's a lot fewer than I would have thought.

867
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:04,000
Okay, are we just bouncing signals? Is that how GPS works?

868
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Yeah, absolutely.

869
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,000
So it is just that they're just mirrors in a way.

870
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:17,000
You send a packet from your phone and then that goes up to a satellite and then that gets bounced back to you.

871
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,000
Right, so it's just a ping test.

872
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,000
Yeah, essentially.

873
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:29,000
That's all how data is sent. It's all sent via packets. It pings from your phone up to a satellite.

874
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:38,000
If you've spoken to someone in the rough geographic location sheet, we back down the same satellite and then to that person's phone or that person's device.

875
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,000
Yeah.

876
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,000
And that's just generally how data transfer works in those sorts of things.

877
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:48,000
In GPS, obviously, it will send out to a couple of satellites.

878
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,000
Yeah, it will try to make the location.

879
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,000
It will properly triangulate your signal, yeah.

880
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,000
Okay, there you go.

881
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:00,000
So a few good answers, a few good answers. Better with the earlier ones, I think.

882
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:09,000
I kind of, like I said, the questions were written by an autistic bloke, so you were screwed from the start, guys.

883
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:14,000
But you know what it's like, James, you end up with such niche knowledge.

884
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:21,000
Unless you're looking at yourself in the mirror, nobody's going to get all your answers right, are they?

885
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,000
No, how did we do out of the ten?

886
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:31,000
I wasn't recording, but I can work it out. So you got the movies. So we'll go with two for that.

887
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:37,000
You got chat GPT-4, but you didn't get open AI, so we'll go with one for that.

888
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:41,000
iRobot, you got all three of the laws, so we'll go for three.

889
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,000
Three artifacts.

890
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:47,000
Thank you, because I got that on the second attempt, so if you wanted to be a dick, you could be like, I'm only going to give you two.

891
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:53,000
No, absolutely not. I mean, these questions were cryptic anyway, so let's be fair.

892
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:58,000
So you got Baghdagh battery, so let's go with one for that.

893
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:03,000
You didn't get a power plant for the pyramids.

894
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:11,000
I'll give you the fixed memory for the computer, but you didn't get the RAM.

895
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:17,000
You didn't get who designed the television. You did get the mobile phone.

896
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:22,000
You didn't get how many mobile phones exist, and you did get the satellites.

897
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:29,000
So we'll go with nine out of a possible 16.

898
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:32,000
More than half is all I can hope for in life.

899
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:38,000
Yeah, that was good. Well done. Some of them, you really surprised me.

900
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:43,000
I mean, some of them you literally guessworked the answer.

901
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:50,000
I'm pretty sure I remembered Adam showing out, is it Terminator?

902
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,000
In that voice.

903
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:57,000
You were like, it's an older film, older than The Matrix, I don't know, bloody Terminator.

904
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:03,000
Exactly, exactly. I mean, you don't buy a ticket, mate. You're never going to know.

905
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:08,000
But yeah, really good stuff, really good stuff. And you learn stuff at the same time, which is always good with a quiz.

906
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,000
We had fun on the way.

907
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:15,000
We had fun on the way. We didn't kill anyone because we're all sat in different rooms, which is...

908
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,000
And we didn't steal anyone's data.

909
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,000
We didn't steal...

910
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,000
And if you have...

911
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,000
I did, I made the quiz.

912
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,000
I suppose.

913
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:30,000
If you want to know who invented the TV, just go to Hastings and travel to Spoons, or look it up online.

914
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:37,000
Yep, as a matter of fact, if you go into the John Logie bed, they have his history on the wall.

915
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,000
I suppose I thought you were going to say they have a TV, but the sound's off.

916
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:46,000
Which is where I learn. It's where I learn. And Ken is another one, right? Here's one question for you.

917
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:56,000
Can you guess which one of the questions my partner got right?

918
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:01,000
Er... it wasn't randomly the three laws of robotics.

919
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:06,000
No, she's never watched iRobot.

920
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Is it the first one about the movies?

921
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:12,000
No, no, she's not a movie buff.

922
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,000
Okay.

923
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,000
And she randomly guessed 38.

924
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:16,000
No, no, no, no.

925
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,000
Or does she really like the Egyptians and knows a lot about pyramids?

926
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:29,000
She doesn't. She doesn't. But she is with a bloke that is neurotically autistic about the Egyptians.

927
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,000
So yes, that's the question she got right.

928
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:39,000
Okay, because she'd heard you talk about it for a couple of hours.

929
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:45,000
Oh, those bloody Egyptians.

930
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:49,000
Badgering on about their bloody power plants. What's he like, eh?

931
01:40:49,000 --> 01:41:00,000
You just can't shut him up sometimes. Sometimes I just put a cardboard cut out of myself in front of him and he just goes off by himself.

932
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:11,000
But I do have one more question for you both and I'm going to go individually to you. But my final question, and it is subjective, which is why I'm going like this, right?

933
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:21,000
What has been the most revolutionary technology developed by humanity?

934
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:25,000
I'm going to start with James.

935
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,000
Okay, so this is going to be controversial and possibly not.

936
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,000
Well, it's subjective. It's completely opinionated, isn't it? So feel free.

937
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:41,000
Okay, so all right, fine. All right, so I'm agreeing with Stephen Fry here. So I don't necessarily agree with everything.

938
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:51,000
But I think he made a very good point when he said the printing press was the most revolutionary thing at the time.

939
01:41:51,000 --> 01:42:03,000
Not at the time, sorry. He believes that the printing press was the most revolutionary piece of technology throughout history because he can imagine a world without cars.

940
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:08,000
He can imagine a world without planes or any one individual thing.

941
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:21,000
He can't imagine a world without books and the printing press made the vast variety of books or the cheapness of books.

942
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:26,000
Interestingly, mine was books.

943
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:30,000
Just books in the holes and not the printing press, just the ability.

944
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:39,000
Exactly. But I mean, it ties in with yours. I mean, but the reasoning behind that for me is because humans are so forgetful.

945
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:43,000
And what books gave us was long term memory.

946
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,000
The ability to write stuff down.

947
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,000
Was extreme long term memory.

948
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:50,000
Yeah. Not everyone can be Jack Reacher.

949
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,000
No. Adam?

950
01:42:54,000 --> 01:43:01,000
I was thinking along the lines, what's caused or what's helped along the way.

951
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:08,000
And so I was like maybe something along the lines of power and manufacturing of power.

952
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:15,000
So not necessarily like fossil fuels, but just in general electricity and storage of electricity.

953
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:19,000
We have to wait all the way until the 1800s for that.

954
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:26,000
Yeah. But like without power, a lot of modern day things wouldn't exist.

955
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,000
So my first thought was, oh, the internet was quite revolutionary.

956
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:33,000
But if we didn't have power, we wouldn't have computers.

957
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:40,000
And so we didn't have computers. So that sort of backwards compatibility and all that.

958
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:49,000
It would have been a completely different world if gas had continued to be the power of choice.

959
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:59,000
Yeah, exactly. Or just if we didn't develop power, what about light bulbs and lighting things up?

960
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:04,000
We'd still be using, as you say, gas candles and all sorts of other instruments.

961
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,000
Eventually, we're having problems at the moment with bees dying out.

962
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:12,000
If they keep taking their wax to make candles for everyone, they would have died out years ago.

963
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,000
Wait, is that the...? OK, yeah, that's it.

964
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:21,000
I can only see a minor flaw with that. I'm pretty sure their wax is a by-product.

965
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:25,000
So they don't really need it.

966
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,000
Yeah, but they would have been farmed relentlessly, though, wouldn't they?

967
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:39,000
If the only way we could really light up how homes and streets would have been through candles or torches.

968
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,000
We would have ended up farming cows a lot more.

969
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,000
We would have found things to burn.

970
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:54,000
Yeah, exactly. You just put 3,000 cows in a shed and then have a tube coming out the side and bottle up their farts.

971
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,000
The youths would have burned things, wouldn't they?

972
01:44:56,000 --> 01:45:03,000
Maybe I'm going too far back here, but what if the most important invention is iron?

973
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:08,000
Invent? No, this is where I kind of go, because I did think about this.

974
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:14,000
I don't really think you can invent iron.

975
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:18,000
But the process, the manufacturing of iron...

976
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,000
Yeah, I understand that.

977
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:26,000
I guess the manufacturer... OK, fine, the conversion process from ore into a metal.

978
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:40,000
As iron ore is found, you don't find lumps of iron. You find lumps of gold, you find lumps of electrum, you find lumps of silver, you find a number of other alloys, but you never find...

979
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:44,000
Oh, careful, I've just picked up an iron stone.

980
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:49,000
Oh, look at this, a perfectly formed hammer. Oh, where did that get here?

981
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,000
Unless you're in an archaeological dig site.

982
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,000
Yeah.

983
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,000
That would be amazing if that was true.

984
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,000
I wish that was.

985
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:02,000
Maybe the human's greatest invention was the power of friendship.

986
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:10,000
I honestly believe it is the greatest treasure, but then again I have watched far too many 1980s films.

987
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:16,000
Christmas Day at James' House is wonderful, it's all white Christmas.

988
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:17,000
That's James' House.

989
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:21,000
And the Super Mario Brothers.

990
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:25,000
The original... Oh, that film was so good though.

991
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,000
I enjoyed it.

992
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:41,000
So when that little bob-omb, the physically accurate bob-omb is just walking around the sewer floor, chuckle every time. It looks so cute.

993
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:53,000
Anyway, yeah, I've really enjoyed today, thank you very much for your time guys. I'm going to round it off there though. If you guys are happy and you guys are done?

994
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:58,000
Yeah, it's been a pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

995
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:04,000
Thank you very much for coming along and thank you very much for seeing out our tenth episode with us.

996
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,000
It's been a pleasure.

997
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:10,000
Anymore from you, James?

998
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:20,000
Thank you to everyone who's listened for ten episodes. You have the patience of the saint.

999
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:24,000
Yeah, and thank you both for having these conversations.

1000
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:51,000
No worries, no worries. Thank you listeners again and take care. Goodbye from me, goodbye from me.

1001
01:47:54,000 --> 01:48:14,000
Thanks for watching.