WEBVTT 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:05.860 Welcome, this is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. 00:00:16.699 --> 00:00:19.219 This is the show where brothers -in -law DJ Culp 00:00:19.219 --> 00:00:23.000 and Brad Coleman talk about stuff from our perspective 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.480 as men. It's a show for anyone who wants to hear 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.039 how Christians interact with the world. And don't 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.670 worry, we're real. We've grown up in church, 00:00:31.789 --> 00:00:34.090 and we want to share our experiences with you. 00:00:34.549 --> 00:00:37.990 We'll talk life stuff, church stuff, man stuff, 00:00:38.229 --> 00:00:49.310 and stuff stuff. Here we go. Greetings, listeners 00:00:49.310 --> 00:00:51.109 here and there and everywhere all across the 00:00:51.109 --> 00:00:54.030 land. This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. I 00:00:54.030 --> 00:00:58.670 am one of your hosts, DJ... What is my name? 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:07.400 What comes next? It's DJ. It's DJ. Culp. DJ Culp. 00:01:08.659 --> 00:01:13.599 As always. Here with my beloved brother -in -law. 00:01:15.420 --> 00:01:20.280 Card. What's his name again? Where are the cards? 00:01:20.459 --> 00:01:27.359 Where are the cards? Brad Coleman. Not Brad. 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:36.400 Oh, Brad. Yes, Brad. Oh, that's awesome. So it 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:42.239 is summertime, Brad. Yep. You doing okay, man? 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:46.500 Yeah, I played for the kids. School's out for 00:01:46.500 --> 00:01:49.799 the summer. Oh, yes. I try to do that every year. 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:51.459 I think I've done it every year. Dude, what a 00:01:51.459 --> 00:01:55.099 great song. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:00.359 Bravo. I tip my hat to you, sir. Even better 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.700 is Isaiah was in the shower and we have a Google 00:02:02.700 --> 00:02:04.959 home. And so he was listening to music. So I 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:06.500 switched it over and it's closed out for the 00:02:06.500 --> 00:02:13.409 summer. Yeah. You will listen. Awesome. That's 00:02:13.409 --> 00:02:16.490 so awesome. So listeners, Brad and I have actually 00:02:16.490 --> 00:02:18.870 been visiting for about 15 minutes. And just 00:02:18.870 --> 00:02:20.610 to kind of give you guys a bit of an update, 00:02:20.770 --> 00:02:25.409 a proud dad moment here. My wife and I took our 00:02:25.409 --> 00:02:29.150 kids to Nashville just for a quick overnighter. 00:02:29.849 --> 00:02:33.449 We swam for like an hour and a half in the pool. 00:02:33.550 --> 00:02:35.849 Dude had the pool to ourselves. It was rocking. 00:02:35.849 --> 00:02:40.990 It was nice. So nice. So nice. Yeah. And then. 00:02:42.320 --> 00:02:48.180 Earlier today, our middle child, Addie, who is 00:02:48.180 --> 00:02:51.099 five and has just finished preschool and going 00:02:51.099 --> 00:02:54.520 into kindergarten, today marks a big day in Addie's 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:58.900 life. She got her ears pierced. And today also 00:02:58.900 --> 00:03:02.400 marks a very large day in our son's life because 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:07.710 he got his very first guinea pig. Yeah, there's 00:03:07.710 --> 00:03:10.409 a lot of things that are going on on the front 00:03:10.409 --> 00:03:13.330 side, front end of the summer here in the Culp 00:03:13.330 --> 00:03:17.770 household, Brad. And for Zoe, it was just another 00:03:17.770 --> 00:03:21.569 day. And for Zoe, it was another day. What's 00:03:21.569 --> 00:03:24.110 funny is that whenever Shara told her parents 00:03:24.110 --> 00:03:28.370 that. Apparently, this is a joke that I wasn't 00:03:28.370 --> 00:03:32.490 aware of until this happened. But her dad sent 00:03:32.490 --> 00:03:35.949 a text saying, so what did Zoe get? And Sarah 00:03:35.949 --> 00:03:43.610 sent a trip to Nashville. That's right. If you're 00:03:43.610 --> 00:03:45.469 new to the show, Zoe, our youngest, is three. 00:03:45.629 --> 00:03:50.150 She has no earthly idea what's going on. Yeah. 00:03:52.349 --> 00:03:55.199 Well, Brad here at the top of the show. We're 00:03:55.199 --> 00:04:00.539 going to do a few memes for you. So listeners, 00:04:00.780 --> 00:04:07.699 it's commonplace for us to do memes with Brad 00:04:07.699 --> 00:04:11.139 bits. So if you're new to the show, this is where 00:04:11.139 --> 00:04:16.600 I throw up a meme that Brad has to read right 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.160 there on the spot, doesn't know what it is, and 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.980 create a sermon illustration off of it. So let 00:04:21.980 --> 00:04:25.889 me... Let me navigate there here real quick, 00:04:26.009 --> 00:04:34.350 Brad. All right. And I'm going to share my screen 00:04:34.350 --> 00:04:44.990 like this. And off we go. DJ Culp Jr. has started 00:04:44.990 --> 00:04:47.490 sharing. Double click. Oh, there we are. All 00:04:47.490 --> 00:04:52.920 right. The chocolate cake with the big slice 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.100 taken out of it. I would eat healthy, but then 00:04:55.100 --> 00:04:58.040 I remember the time Eve ate an apple and doomed 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.519 all of humanity. So I don't know better not risk 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:07.019 it. So again, I've mentioned this on the show 00:05:07.019 --> 00:05:08.939 before, even though sometimes I get caught up 00:05:08.939 --> 00:05:13.339 in it. Wasn't an apple. It was not an apple. 00:05:13.579 --> 00:05:16.439 That was a Renaissance painter thing. They needed 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:18.639 to paint something. They came up with an apple. 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:22.220 Why? I don't know. I guess they thought apples 00:05:22.220 --> 00:05:24.899 were very, you know, they looked very tempting. 00:05:26.220 --> 00:05:30.040 But anyway, the fruit. Want to eat healthy. But 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:31.899 then I remember the time I ate an apple and doomed 00:05:31.899 --> 00:05:34.399 all humanity. So I don't know. Better not risk 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.680 it. I think of, first I think of the scripture 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.920 where it says bodily exercise profits. Prophets 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.959 little, but godliness profits to all things. 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.920 And I think I've mentioned this before. So what's 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.740 the point? God's like, that's not me telling 00:05:48.740 --> 00:05:51.040 you not to exercise, and you don't need to exercise. 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:55.240 You heard it here, ladies and gentlemen. I think 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:57.120 of the verse in the Old Testament, I don't know 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.079 if it's Proverbs or Ecclesiastes, where it says, 00:05:59.180 --> 00:06:02.259 the wicked run when no one's chasing them. And 00:06:02.259 --> 00:06:05.379 that's kind of, you know, I would run, but, you 00:06:05.379 --> 00:06:10.740 know, the Bible says. I think, again, I'd probably 00:06:10.740 --> 00:06:15.339 push this to context is important. It almost 00:06:15.339 --> 00:06:18.019 sounds, Brad, like you're saying that this is 00:06:18.019 --> 00:06:23.420 true. How easily, right, that we could take those 00:06:23.420 --> 00:06:27.600 verses out of context and kind of turn them to 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.040 our own, you know, I don't want to run, so I'm 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:32.980 going to use this. I don't want to eat healthy, 00:06:33.139 --> 00:06:37.449 so I'm going to make this excuse. And how, you 00:06:37.449 --> 00:06:40.149 know, that that doesn't hold water to what the 00:06:40.149 --> 00:06:44.870 scripture is actually saying. God said, you know, 00:06:44.889 --> 00:06:50.129 don't worry about what you eat. I can eat all 00:06:50.129 --> 00:06:52.290 the chocolate cake that I want. It doesn't matter 00:06:52.290 --> 00:06:55.970 I'm a diabetic. Jesus told me not to worry about 00:06:55.970 --> 00:07:05.000 it. That's not what Jesus was saying. I like 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:10.480 it. I like it. Oh, this is... Brad, I've missed 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.379 you, man. All right, Brad, here we go. Next one. 00:07:18.779 --> 00:07:25.339 Oh, I was like, yeah, make it bigger. Yeah, I 00:07:25.339 --> 00:07:30.860 had a car dealership. And he goes, cargo space? 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:34.660 And the dealer goes, car no do there. Cargo road. 00:07:37.939 --> 00:07:44.060 That's a good one. I love this. I love this meme. 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.720 So, wow. You made me laugh and now my brain's 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.019 like, oh, what do I do with this? I already did 00:07:51.019 --> 00:07:55.459 the context thing. I probably cheat a little 00:07:55.459 --> 00:07:58.259 bit and go where Peter goes. You know what? You 00:07:58.259 --> 00:08:00.540 know what Paul says. And sometimes the things 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:03.709 that Paul say. are difficult to understand that's 00:08:03.709 --> 00:08:07.790 right we can't twist his you know we can't twist 00:08:07.790 --> 00:08:10.790 the scripture and the words like some of those 00:08:10.790 --> 00:08:13.370 people do who are destined to darkness and destruction 00:08:13.370 --> 00:08:18.029 that's right and i love it i love that peter 00:08:18.029 --> 00:08:24.790 commentates on paul's words in scripture he goes 00:08:24.790 --> 00:08:27.699 you know It's like Paul says, and I know that 00:08:27.699 --> 00:08:30.180 sometimes the things Paul say, you know, they're 00:08:30.180 --> 00:08:33.620 hard to understand. They're tough. But we need 00:08:33.620 --> 00:08:35.500 to make sure that we understand them properly. 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:40.120 This car ain't going to space. Cargo space? Car 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:46.539 going to do that. Cargo road. All right, Brad. 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:52.299 Nice, man. Here we go. Next one. A man asked 00:08:52.299 --> 00:08:55.019 his wife, what would you do if I won the lottery? 00:08:55.500 --> 00:08:58.659 She replied, I'd take half and then leave you. 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:03.720 Great, he said. I won $12 yesterday. Here's six. 00:09:03.940 --> 00:09:08.179 Stay in touch. That's horrible. It's so bad. 00:09:11.980 --> 00:09:18.259 I would probably go with the things that Satan 00:09:18.259 --> 00:09:24.029 tempts us with. And kind of the idea that we 00:09:24.029 --> 00:09:26.929 get of that promise is, you know, I'm going to 00:09:26.929 --> 00:09:30.269 get this and it's going to give me peace and 00:09:30.269 --> 00:09:36.409 happiness and joy. And the reality of sin's pleasure 00:09:36.409 --> 00:09:42.549 always has a very big evil catch. You know, the 00:09:42.549 --> 00:09:45.690 Bible warns us that there's pleasure in sin for 00:09:45.690 --> 00:09:53.350 a season. So you're going to get. More negative 00:09:53.350 --> 00:09:56.750 than you anticipated when you start trying to 00:09:56.750 --> 00:10:02.970 make deals like that. Yeah, right. This couple 00:10:02.970 --> 00:10:07.129 needs marriage counseling also. Maybe go off 00:10:07.129 --> 00:10:10.909 of that. It sounds like they've needed marriage 00:10:10.909 --> 00:10:18.240 counseling. This isn't square one. yeah like 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.299 i i would be willing to say that he finds he 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:27.539 finds a wife finds a good thing yeah yeah yeah 00:10:27.539 --> 00:10:29.559 i'd be willing to say that at this point the 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.899 straw has already broken the camel's back he's 00:10:31.899 --> 00:10:34.259 just trying to find a way to talk about it you 00:10:34.259 --> 00:10:38.700 know um yeah Yeah, so it may be a good, actually, 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:41.860 marriage counseling meme to share in a marriage 00:10:41.860 --> 00:10:44.799 counseling situation. Let's make sure this doesn't 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:48.940 happen. Yeah. Oh, they weren't laughing. Oh, 00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:50.659 they didn't laugh. Okay, that's where we are 00:10:50.659 --> 00:10:53.799 then. That's where we are. Oh. You didn't find 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:57.039 that one funny. I was joking. This was a joke. 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:03.009 You would do that. Dude, that would be such a 00:11:03.009 --> 00:11:06.309 twisted way for a psychiatrist to get a beat 00:11:06.309 --> 00:11:08.610 on his clients. All right, so what I'm going 00:11:08.610 --> 00:11:10.909 to do is I'm going to bait them. Depending on 00:11:10.909 --> 00:11:14.289 their reaction will give me a good idea as to 00:11:14.289 --> 00:11:17.289 where they're at. Well, you only show the first 00:11:17.289 --> 00:11:21.710 part, right? So if Bill won the lottery. What 00:11:21.710 --> 00:11:26.899 would you do? What would you do? All right. Now 00:11:26.899 --> 00:11:30.620 the surprise twist is it was $12. It was 12 bucks. 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:34.080 That's right. All right, Brad, one more. Here 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:40.039 we go. All right. It's a menacing looking raccoon, 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:44.019 like wringing his hands. And it says, they say 00:11:44.019 --> 00:11:46.500 one friend out of every group has the potential 00:11:46.500 --> 00:11:49.879 to be a serial killer. So I threw Dave off a 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:57.019 cliff just in case it was him. This is one of 00:11:57.019 --> 00:12:00.220 my favorites of all time. Don't think it was 00:12:00.220 --> 00:12:06.059 Dave. I don't think it was. You know, I would 00:12:06.059 --> 00:12:13.980 probably go on here and look at kind of the overzealous 00:12:13.980 --> 00:12:21.659 people with justice and those things. And look 00:12:21.659 --> 00:12:25.019 at like the Phariseeism that sneaks up on people 00:12:25.019 --> 00:12:29.080 and like the people that tend to be Phariseeical. 00:12:29.299 --> 00:12:32.720 Yeah. I think don't realize it. They just they 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:35.399 just think they're being righteous. Right. Yeah. 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.159 When they're being like over legalistic and and 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.500 judgmental and all of that stuff. It's like, 00:12:42.620 --> 00:12:48.840 you know, hey. I did the right thing. Yeah. nailing 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.679 this person to you know the cross to the cross 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:55.159 yeah yes um you know yeah they were i mean they 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:59.480 were sinning so we you know we just um where 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.299 was the grace and love in that yeah yeah and 00:13:02.299 --> 00:13:06.220 and and so i i didn't i brad i swear i did not 00:13:06.220 --> 00:13:09.539 plan this this is swear this is god moving um 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:15.980 the like listeners our topic today is grace versus 00:13:15.980 --> 00:13:21.769 justice And I would say, Brad, like, you know, 00:13:21.789 --> 00:13:25.809 this even would kind of be – this would be a 00:13:25.809 --> 00:13:30.409 meme, you know, that would kind of illuminate 00:13:30.409 --> 00:13:33.610 and draw out sort of the – you can make it – 00:13:33.610 --> 00:13:38.190 put it in a comical sense of when Jesus says 00:13:38.190 --> 00:13:44.230 to the people, like, you are – I'm trying to 00:13:44.230 --> 00:13:47.740 – I'll paraphrase. you're arguing or you're complaining 00:13:47.740 --> 00:13:52.539 about about a um a log in your brother's eye 00:13:52.539 --> 00:13:54.480 or sorry sorry a speck in your brother's eye 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.480 but you've got a log in yours yeah um look at 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:03.039 there and so uh yeah the so so brad well done 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.139 that was that was great gosh i'm i'm i have missed 00:14:06.139 --> 00:14:12.059 doing that with you yeah um but let me give you 00:14:12.059 --> 00:14:14.940 brad just kind of the the glimpse as to where 00:14:16.009 --> 00:14:22.529 I, I was or have been with getting the idea of 00:14:22.529 --> 00:14:28.149 a show for for grace versus justice. I have this 00:14:28.149 --> 00:14:30.389 written in the margin of one of one of our church 00:14:30.389 --> 00:14:35.029 bulletins that just simply says, do I give grace? 00:14:36.429 --> 00:14:41.669 And that was that's not that was not a. You know, 00:14:41.669 --> 00:14:45.509 it wasn't a comment. It wasn't like the main 00:14:45.509 --> 00:14:50.009 point or concept. But grace was being talked 00:14:50.009 --> 00:14:53.289 about. That was the central center idea of the 00:14:53.289 --> 00:14:56.570 message. And I caught myself just asking myself 00:14:56.570 --> 00:15:01.590 rhetorically, do I give grace? And so one of 00:15:01.590 --> 00:15:04.669 the things, Brad, I'd really like to talk about 00:15:04.669 --> 00:15:11.169 is just grace versus justice. um you know mercy 00:15:11.169 --> 00:15:12.990 what would be the what would be the opposite 00:15:12.990 --> 00:15:17.269 of mercy mercy versus judgment i guess yeah and 00:15:17.269 --> 00:15:20.429 so and i think maybe i've mentioned this before 00:15:20.429 --> 00:15:22.889 because i certainly have used it a lot even as 00:15:22.889 --> 00:15:26.409 a youth pastor or a senior pastor like when i 00:15:26.409 --> 00:15:29.690 define justice mercy and grace which by the way 00:15:29.690 --> 00:15:31.629 are all important things so we're not trying 00:15:31.629 --> 00:15:35.759 to to get rid of any one of them because we They're 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.460 all necessary. Justice, I define simply as when 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:43.200 I get what I deserve. Yeah. Okay. So the Bible 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.159 says the wages of sin is death. And again, ultimately, 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.039 we're talking about eternal death. We're talking 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:51.779 about hell. Right. So justice is when I get what 00:15:51.779 --> 00:15:55.220 I deserve. Mercy is when I don't get what I deserve. 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.519 Right. So I'm not getting that punishment that 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.200 I deserve. That's mercy. And grace is when I 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:06.070 get what I don't deserve. Again, the riches of 00:16:06.070 --> 00:16:12.370 heaven. Oh, okay. So mercy is when I don't get 00:16:12.370 --> 00:16:17.450 justice, and grace is when I, again, it's not 00:16:17.450 --> 00:16:19.889 quite the opposite of justice, but for lack of 00:16:19.889 --> 00:16:21.669 a better term, the opposite of justice. Like, 00:16:21.690 --> 00:16:25.830 oh, this is what you deserve. So is it safe, 00:16:26.049 --> 00:16:29.149 and I don't mean to throw a wrench into what 00:16:29.149 --> 00:16:32.009 you're saying too early here in the show, but 00:16:32.009 --> 00:16:35.549 would you argue then, I guess more of like on 00:16:35.549 --> 00:16:39.370 a philosophical level that it is an injustice, 00:16:39.590 --> 00:16:44.470 that grace, that grace would be an injustice. 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:49.690 Oh man, that's, that's, that's a, I think we 00:16:49.690 --> 00:16:53.549 feel that way. I mean, it's definitely like almost 00:16:53.549 --> 00:16:55.809 like when we look at the gospel, right. And I've 00:16:55.809 --> 00:16:59.789 said before, it's kind of scandalous in a sense, 00:16:59.870 --> 00:17:05.819 because I deserve to cross. And Jesus, who doesn't 00:17:05.819 --> 00:17:09.619 deserve the cross, takes the cross. Right. Now, 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.160 he does so willingly. I think that kind of takes 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:16.359 the scandal out of it. Sure. He is the scapegoat, 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:18.619 but he's willingly the scapegoat. He's willingly. 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's taking my place. He's 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:28.619 volunteering. So it's not fair. It's not fair 00:17:28.619 --> 00:17:32.599 that I should get it. his grace and mercy, and 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.759 he takes the justice. Yeah, let this cup pass 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:38.079 for me. But again, I think that's what we have 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:40.579 to see in the gospel, that we can't throw away 00:17:40.579 --> 00:17:43.700 justice, right? Because God doesn't. God tells 00:17:43.700 --> 00:17:47.440 us to seek justice, but to love mercy and to 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.579 walk humbly with our God. Yeah, yes. Well, and 00:17:50.579 --> 00:17:56.059 to that point, Hosea is one of my favorite references 00:17:56.059 --> 00:18:01.319 in Hosea. It says that our lord does not seek 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:05.460 our lord seeks mercy over sacrifice yeah right 00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:09.759 so so you follow the letter of the law and don't 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.180 give mercy he doesn't care about yeah like at 00:18:12.180 --> 00:18:13.799 that point in time he doesn't care about you 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.039 following as as what you were saying you know 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.180 like the with the with the raccoon meme um you 00:18:19.180 --> 00:18:22.279 know the fair the pharisaical nature of like 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.140 you can call it legalism you can call it just 00:18:24.140 --> 00:18:26.619 checking the boxes whatever the case is and any 00:18:26.619 --> 00:18:32.019 and and any um any flavor of any of that but 00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:34.700 like at that at that point in time from hosea 00:18:34.700 --> 00:18:37.740 that that one reference it tells me that the 00:18:37.740 --> 00:18:41.279 boxes that are being checked are not are not 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.740 god's central um desire for us it's mercy he 00:18:45.740 --> 00:18:49.660 desires mercy he desires for us to grant mercy 00:18:49.660 --> 00:18:52.240 yeah well and i think about this here here's 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.259 a here's a good pharisee test right okay when 00:18:55.259 --> 00:18:58.869 jesus tells them like he who is without sin cast 00:18:58.869 --> 00:19:03.589 the first stone right are you are are you ready 00:19:03.589 --> 00:19:06.210 to stone the pharisees for what they were doing 00:19:06.210 --> 00:19:13.789 right you know all right because now and now 00:19:13.789 --> 00:19:15.890 we and now we have an infinite regression of 00:19:15.890 --> 00:19:17.630 are you willing to stone the people who are stoning 00:19:17.630 --> 00:19:21.470 the pharisees that's right but again we how often 00:19:21.470 --> 00:19:25.619 do we see that right oh man this person is that 00:19:25.619 --> 00:19:28.980 they deserve it. I mean, I watch those shows 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:31.539 too, and I go, oh, yeah, they better get theirs 00:19:31.539 --> 00:19:34.579 in the end. I know, dude. Like, we have that 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:38.259 sense of justice. Yeah, we do. Justice is, God 00:19:38.259 --> 00:19:42.519 is just. It's a characteristic of God. The thing 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:48.380 is, justice for us to God is death. It's wrath. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.220 It's to accept those things because we have all 00:19:52.220 --> 00:19:55.779 fallen short of his glory, of his standard, of 00:19:55.779 --> 00:20:00.900 all that. So I think the cross is proof that 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:05.259 justice is important to God because Jesus takes 00:20:05.259 --> 00:20:10.880 that penalty so that we can have grace and mercy. 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:14.599 And so God can still be just. And again, we're 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.339 not trying to jump too far into that hoop right 00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:23.140 now and have that study. But I definitely would 00:20:23.140 --> 00:20:26.640 consider myself a mercy and grace person. And 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.859 I prefer mercy and grace. My personality is to 00:20:30.859 --> 00:20:35.140 give mercy. Your sister's even argued with me 00:20:35.140 --> 00:20:36.900 that it's one of my spiritual gifts. She's like, 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.500 mercy is one of your spiritual gifts. You know, 00:20:40.539 --> 00:20:44.440 she's more of justice. And we need both. Yes, 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.140 she is. We need both. Yes, she is absolutely 00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:51.000 more justice. Yeah. I mean, too much mercy and 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:55.920 grace is enabling. Too much justice is just, 00:20:56.299 --> 00:20:58.859 I don't know what the word is. I mean, I would 00:20:58.859 --> 00:21:02.940 argue it's disabling. Yeah, it is. It's crushing. 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:08.309 It's crushing. Yeah, yeah. And I remember. This 00:21:08.309 --> 00:21:16.170 was years ago when I was attempting a Bible in 00:21:16.170 --> 00:21:21.690 a year. And I do believe I was in Numbers. No, 00:21:21.690 --> 00:21:25.630 no, no, excuse me, it was Leviticus. And I was 00:21:25.630 --> 00:21:30.049 moving from Leviticus into Deuteronomy. And I 00:21:30.049 --> 00:21:32.869 caught myself thinking, holy crap, I'm still 00:21:32.869 --> 00:21:38.069 reading rules. It dawned on me. that i was still 00:21:38.069 --> 00:21:42.230 reading like caveat after caveat after caveat 00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:46.069 and when i when when it it kind of hit me that 00:21:46.069 --> 00:21:48.230 that's where i was in the middle of this reading 00:21:48.230 --> 00:21:50.769 i just kind of gotten lost in in the verbiage 00:21:50.769 --> 00:21:53.309 and was just you know reading it as a historical 00:21:53.309 --> 00:21:55.789 document not to say that that i wasn't getting 00:21:55.789 --> 00:22:00.009 anything spiritual out of it but i mean law after 00:22:00.009 --> 00:22:02.549 law after law after law and so on and so forth 00:22:02.549 --> 00:22:05.509 i mean can kind of get dry but what i what i 00:22:05.509 --> 00:22:10.380 began to realize was oh my gosh, this is absolutely 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:15.579 impossible. And I'm not just talking about following 00:22:15.579 --> 00:22:18.660 the law to the letter, but as you mentioned, 00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:24.900 the justice that should actually be imputed upon 00:22:24.900 --> 00:22:29.019 every breaking of any of those, it's crushing. 00:22:29.180 --> 00:22:31.079 You're exactly right. It's a great word for it. 00:22:31.099 --> 00:22:34.380 It is absolutely crushing. It should make us 00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:39.339 stand and go, There is, there's no point. There's 00:22:39.339 --> 00:22:43.940 literally no point to this because I can't, I 00:22:43.940 --> 00:22:47.619 can't. Right. Which is again, which is why, again, 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:52.759 the cross is so astronomically important, cosmically 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:57.359 important. Yeah. Because you're right. We can't. 00:22:57.769 --> 00:23:00.789 And we could not get back to God. We could not 00:23:00.789 --> 00:23:03.430 be righteous in God's sight without the cross, 00:23:03.630 --> 00:23:06.349 without Jesus being righteous and then taking 00:23:06.349 --> 00:23:10.849 the penalty. Yeah, I love grace. I love mercy. 00:23:11.829 --> 00:23:15.569 And I think the more that we as people realize 00:23:15.569 --> 00:23:19.950 how much grace and mercy, one, that we need and 00:23:19.950 --> 00:23:23.630 that God is willing to bestow on us, I think 00:23:23.630 --> 00:23:26.210 the more gracious and merciful. It makes us. 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:28.269 I think that's one of the reasons that I am as 00:23:28.269 --> 00:23:29.910 merciful as I am, because I make a lot of mistakes. 00:23:31.130 --> 00:23:34.250 Like I, you know, I pull out in front of people 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:36.950 on accident. I'm not. I mean, they don't know 00:23:36.950 --> 00:23:39.690 it. They probably like saying some bad things 00:23:39.690 --> 00:23:41.950 about me, which I'm like, you know what? I get 00:23:41.950 --> 00:23:43.630 upset when people pull out in front of me. Yeah, 00:23:43.630 --> 00:23:47.470 that's right. But sometimes like I just I misjudge 00:23:47.470 --> 00:23:49.690 the space or whatever, and I don't realize it 00:23:49.690 --> 00:23:53.130 until afterwards. And then it's like, you know, 00:23:53.130 --> 00:23:57.160 I mess up. I mess up and don't show up for an 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.039 appointment, or I show up late. Again, like as 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.480 we were talking, as I overslept, I took a nap, 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.460 overslept, 15 minutes late for 20 minutes late 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:07.599 for Bible study. And when you're the guy who's 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:12.000 supposed to be leading the Bible study, I'm very 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.160 thankful for the people at church who are at 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.240 the Bible study who were more concerned for my 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:19.740 well -being, that something might be wrong that 00:24:19.740 --> 00:24:23.140 they know about, than they were concerned that 00:24:23.140 --> 00:24:27.150 I was late. Yeah. And I felt that. And I felt 00:24:27.150 --> 00:24:31.049 that grace, you know, when I got there, humbly 00:24:31.049 --> 00:24:35.329 and ashamed. Yeah. Most of us don't want to walk 00:24:35.329 --> 00:24:37.589 in and be like, oh, well, you know what? I overslept. 00:24:37.630 --> 00:24:39.630 I was taking a nap. And that's why I wasn't here 00:24:39.630 --> 00:24:42.329 to do the thing that I'm responsible to be doing. 00:24:42.369 --> 00:24:46.289 And, you know, so again, I felt the love for 00:24:46.289 --> 00:24:50.009 them. I felt the concern. Again, some lighthearted 00:24:50.009 --> 00:24:55.109 ribbing a little bit, which I appreciate. But 00:24:55.109 --> 00:24:58.509 again, glad that we're okay. My associate pastor 00:24:58.509 --> 00:25:01.390 had texted me and tried to call me. I think that's 00:25:01.390 --> 00:25:03.950 what woke me up. Apparently my alarm didn't. 00:25:04.650 --> 00:25:07.390 And they texted me, hey, do you need me to lead 00:25:07.390 --> 00:25:10.630 Bible study? I can lead if you need me to. And 00:25:10.630 --> 00:25:13.029 when I got there, they were just going over prayer 00:25:13.029 --> 00:25:18.650 requests. And they just continued. But instead 00:25:18.650 --> 00:25:22.779 of feeling... more of the shame which i was feeling 00:25:22.779 --> 00:25:26.759 you know i just just felt their their love and 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.859 yeah and that grace and their reflection of of 00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:32.480 christ said okay hey we're glad you're okay you 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.539 know they're more concerned that something you 00:25:35.539 --> 00:25:41.799 know had happened or or something and um so but 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.279 but i love that and i think well brad when when 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:49.640 you say that like you and tabitha um and and 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:52.599 listeners for those of you that are that that 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:55.700 know um you know that that are familiar with 00:25:55.700 --> 00:25:58.299 the show you'll know that that brad and tabitha 00:25:58.299 --> 00:26:01.640 in terms of of male female personalities are 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:04.759 the exact opposite of me and shara would you 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:08.019 say that you know because you said that that 00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:09.980 that you're the grace and mercy tabitha's the 00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:12.099 something injustice what was the other thing 00:26:12.099 --> 00:26:14.460 that you said wrath wrath yeah yeah justice and 00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:17.240 wrath yeah that's absolutely me but my question 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:23.799 is is So grace and mercy, is that your default 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.740 setting? Yeah. And the reason I'm asking that 00:26:26.740 --> 00:26:29.440 question is something I'd like to kind of tease 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.980 out for our listeners. And I mean me as well, 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.480 but for the people that are more like me that 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:40.759 don't have grace as a natural default setting. 00:26:44.019 --> 00:26:49.220 When you talk about grace and mercy, as it's 00:26:49.220 --> 00:26:51.460 just something that you do because you make a 00:26:51.460 --> 00:26:57.220 lot of mistakes. How would you encourage people 00:26:57.220 --> 00:27:01.440 to work on that if, in fact, it isn't where they 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:04.299 run to first? Well, I think with the scripture 00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:07.119 that you brought out, right, where the splinter 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:08.940 in your brother's eye versus the beam that's 00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:13.079 in your own. Right. I think it's being like David 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.430 and going to God. Especially in those times more 00:27:17.430 --> 00:27:22.730 frustrated with other people. And asking him 00:27:22.730 --> 00:27:26.809 to reveal that being. I've told people one of 00:27:26.809 --> 00:27:29.230 the fastest ways, in my opinion, to forgive people 00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:34.569 is just to go rant to God about them. Go tell 00:27:34.569 --> 00:27:37.250 God. And I think sometimes that people don't 00:27:37.250 --> 00:27:39.750 do this in their prayer because they're like, 00:27:39.789 --> 00:27:42.740 I can't do that. Well, you're missing out. Go 00:27:42.740 --> 00:27:48.119 talk to your heavenly father about that. And 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.819 if you know you're being unjust, well, that's 00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:52.220 going to come out. That's going to come out. 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.519 But I will tell you what, in my experience, God 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.440 does in those moments. Because I get mad at people, 00:27:58.539 --> 00:28:01.660 too. And I get really upset. And I'm heated and 00:28:01.660 --> 00:28:05.279 losing my head. And I can't believe that. So 00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:08.019 it's not to say that I don't. I have that side. 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.660 That's just usually mercy and grace is the bigger 00:28:10.660 --> 00:28:13.759 side of me. Right. But when I really get angry 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:15.900 and I go talk to God about it and I go, like, 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:17.660 I can't believe. And that's what I'm thinking. 00:28:17.859 --> 00:28:20.259 I can't believe that they did that. I can't think 00:28:20.259 --> 00:28:23.200 that they would say that, God. Like, I'm so angry 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:28.240 about that. And like the Holy Spirit will remind 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:33.700 me of something I did two weeks ago. Like, remember 00:28:33.700 --> 00:28:36.769 two weeks ago when you. When you said this and 00:28:36.769 --> 00:28:39.970 my first inclination was that's different. Yeah. 00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:42.450 Right. Because we're really good at justifying 00:28:42.450 --> 00:28:45.829 ourself, really good at justifying stuff by our 00:28:45.829 --> 00:28:47.809 intentions and judging others by their actions. 00:28:48.049 --> 00:28:50.869 Yeah. Right. But we're really good at even justifying 00:28:50.869 --> 00:28:53.589 our intentions, even if they're not good. Yes. 00:28:53.829 --> 00:28:56.509 But I don't know how many times I've been like, 00:28:56.549 --> 00:28:58.450 well, that's different. And I felt like the Holy 00:28:58.450 --> 00:29:01.509 Spirit goes, well, not the heart of it. Yeah, 00:29:01.529 --> 00:29:04.849 the action was different. And maybe even in an 00:29:04.849 --> 00:29:08.329 earthly sense, the other thing was bigger. But 00:29:08.329 --> 00:29:11.470 God's calling out, but that's the same heart. 00:29:11.869 --> 00:29:15.089 Hey, that splinter, it's the same wood that's 00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:18.250 in your eye. And so I think that's where you 00:29:18.250 --> 00:29:19.809 go. It's like when you go to God and you go, 00:29:19.910 --> 00:29:26.289 hey, I'm really mad. And God doesn't go, oh, 00:29:26.309 --> 00:29:28.450 well, you know, hey, they weren't wrong if they 00:29:28.450 --> 00:29:32.210 were. But I think mercy shows you that sometimes 00:29:32.210 --> 00:29:36.069 you're just as wrong as they were, and maybe 00:29:36.069 --> 00:29:38.170 you're a lot easier at forgiving yourself, right, 00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:39.990 or justifying yourself. Well, I mean, they made 00:29:39.990 --> 00:29:42.190 me mad, and that's why I reacted that way. And 00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:46.869 I would say that in the moments of, but I don't 00:29:46.869 --> 00:29:50.630 want to retreat to God first, because I'm heated, 00:29:50.849 --> 00:29:55.269 and I feel like I have righteous indignation 00:29:55.269 --> 00:30:00.720 here, right? If we have righteous indignation 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.180 and we don't want to retreat to God, what does 00:30:04.180 --> 00:30:08.380 that tell us? Right. It's not righteous. It's 00:30:08.380 --> 00:30:12.920 not righteous. Because righteousness likes to 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:17.259 be in the presence of God. Unrighteousness hates 00:30:17.259 --> 00:30:19.559 being in the presence of God. So unrighteous 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.400 indignation, prideful indignation, sure, self 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.339 -centered indignation, yeah. Right. Because God's 00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:28.960 going to – I think we know. Even we may not even 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.859 cognitively be thinking that, but we know if 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:34.259 I go to God, he's going to make me forgive them. 00:30:34.420 --> 00:30:38.220 Stupid Gar. If I go to God, he's going to remind 00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:46.240 me, Brad hadn't caught a thing, man. So for me, 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.380 it's that going to God, search me and know me, 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:53.940 and I think God will show us. Those things in 00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:58.119 ourself. Now, that doesn't justify, right, if 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:03.460 our sin doesn't justify other people's sin. But 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:07.460 what it does is remind us that we both need salvation 00:31:07.460 --> 00:31:09.960 through Jesus Christ. We both need that forgiveness. 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.140 Yeah. Right? And, I mean, God's pretty serious. 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.259 And I think sometimes we skip over this because 00:31:15.259 --> 00:31:19.319 we don't like it. But Jesus says very plainly. 00:31:20.569 --> 00:31:23.150 Those who have shown no mercy will not receive 00:31:23.150 --> 00:31:27.849 mercy. I mean, that's pretty, like, that's huge. 00:31:28.549 --> 00:31:31.029 That's, and that's a blanket statement. Like, 00:31:31.029 --> 00:31:34.309 that's, you know, I've said it before, Brad, 00:31:34.349 --> 00:31:36.289 on the show, I know, but that to me is, I call 00:31:36.289 --> 00:31:38.470 it an absolute truth. Like, that's something 00:31:38.470 --> 00:31:42.750 that regardless of the situation, there is no 00:31:42.750 --> 00:31:49.869 out of context. It's like a John 4 .16 or 14 00:31:49.869 --> 00:31:51.410 .6, excuse me, like I am the way, the truth, 00:31:51.470 --> 00:31:55.069 and the life. There is no caveat that cancels 00:31:55.069 --> 00:31:58.269 or negates that. So yeah, you're exactly right. 00:31:58.329 --> 00:32:00.150 That is an absolute truth that stands on its 00:32:00.150 --> 00:32:02.890 own two feet no matter how you spin it. And we 00:32:02.890 --> 00:32:05.150 certainly don't like it when we're mad at somebody 00:32:05.150 --> 00:32:10.470 else or when they need mercy. But grace is different. 00:32:10.849 --> 00:32:15.059 See, grace is a step farther. Okay. Mercy is 00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:19.240 when we say, I forgive you. Right? That's mercy. 00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:22.720 I don't hold this to your charge anymore. Right. 00:32:22.779 --> 00:32:24.940 I'm no longer going to hold it against you. That's 00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:30.119 mercy. Grace is a whole new ballgame. Like, so 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.119 here's the illustration that I heard and I really 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:39.480 like. If one of my kids breaks our rules, right, 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.660 and they get grounded, that's justice. Right? 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:50.819 You've broken the rule. Now, if I unground it, 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.599 which, again, I typically don't recommend that 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.579 you just go unground your kids. You need to stick 00:32:55.579 --> 00:32:59.240 with what you say. But let's just say that one 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.359 of my kids has done something, and I can see 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.819 that they're truly repentant of it, right? That 00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:08.039 if they could go back, not just because of the 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.799 punishment, but if they could go back, that they 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.160 would undo it. They wouldn't do it again. Right. 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:16.500 And I show them mercy. OK, I know I grounded 00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:21.559 you for a week. But you're it's been three days. 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:26.519 You're ungrounded. Again, not because of the 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.259 oh, I thought the punishment was too harsh. Not 00:33:29.259 --> 00:33:31.200 because I'm not sticking with my work is generally 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.960 I'm telling you, you need to you need to do what 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:36.619 you say. But because that I can see that you're 00:33:36.619 --> 00:33:39.480 repentant, I can I can see that that. All right. 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.160 I'm going to show you mercy. That's mercy. You're 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.779 no longer grounded. Right. Grace is if I take 00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:47.380 them out for ice cream. Right. Let's go get ice 00:33:47.380 --> 00:33:50.519 cream. Yeah. Not only are you not getting what 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.119 you deserve, but I'm giving you what you don't 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.240 deserve. Yeah. You're getting this ice cream. 00:33:56.099 --> 00:34:00.220 Not because you did good. You're getting this 00:34:00.220 --> 00:34:03.640 ice cream because I love you. And I want ice 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.059 cream. I'll take you along. You know, that's 00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:09.739 grace. The thought that popped in my mind, and 00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:12.440 it actually harkens back to something that you 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:18.159 said about, you were kind of in the middle of 00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.599 a thought with... uh you know in the middle of 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.860 a thought a lot yes yeah it's true but where 00:34:23.860 --> 00:34:25.579 you had a you were talking about you know the 00:34:25.579 --> 00:34:29.539 beam in your eye and grace and forgiveness um 00:34:29.539 --> 00:34:33.760 and basically what what i gleaned from it right 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.539 there in that moment was our attitude towards 00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:39.159 said person is going to completely change so 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.239 when you said you know mercy is saying i forgive 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.980 you grace is going a step further in the same 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:50.230 in the same you know biblical text To me, grace 00:34:50.230 --> 00:34:54.550 and mercy would be, I have a beam in my eye. 00:34:54.969 --> 00:34:58.170 You have a splinter. You're the one who put the 00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:02.489 beam in my eye. I'm going to tell you, I forgive 00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:07.170 you. That's mercy. I go take the beam out of 00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:10.269 my eye and then help you take the splinter out 00:35:10.269 --> 00:35:14.670 of yours. That would be grace. The only problem 00:35:14.670 --> 00:35:17.610 with that is beams don't come off splinters. 00:35:19.069 --> 00:35:21.309 splinters do come off beams. No, that's true. 00:35:21.769 --> 00:35:24.889 So, like, the person, I think in the example, 00:35:25.050 --> 00:35:26.969 is we're looking at the splinter in the other 00:35:26.969 --> 00:35:29.150 eye. That's fair. My dad would say, and he'd 00:35:29.150 --> 00:35:31.690 used a 2x4, he'd say, he said, sometimes we've 00:35:31.690 --> 00:35:33.949 got to realize that the splinter in our brother's 00:35:33.949 --> 00:35:36.250 eye came off the 2x4 in our own. Came off the 00:35:36.250 --> 00:35:38.110 2x4 in our own. And I think that's more of the 00:35:38.110 --> 00:35:40.349 heart of what Jesus is saying. You see the small 00:35:40.349 --> 00:35:43.769 thing in their eye while you've got a big thing 00:35:43.769 --> 00:35:49.280 in your own. But, yeah, but I think it's – when 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:50.760 you look at the gospel, right, and you look at 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.159 what Christ has done for us and what Christ teaches, 00:35:53.380 --> 00:36:00.019 right, he says, do good to those who do bad to 00:36:00.019 --> 00:36:03.159 you. Right? I mean, that's a pretty reoccurring 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.900 thing. And that's the gospel, right? We didn't 00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:08.980 do good to God. We brought God bad when he gave 00:36:08.980 --> 00:36:11.760 us good. And so – and then he's going to give 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.639 us good instead of bad. But that's – Counter 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.840 to our mind, right? Mercy is, it's almost like, 00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:22.960 wasn't mercy big enough, God? God doesn't say, 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.119 just don't do bad to those who do bad to you. 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.099 Right. Because that's mercy, when you don't do 00:36:30.099 --> 00:36:32.380 bad to them, right? When you don't retaliate, 00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:38.099 yeah. Yeah. But God goes, give them grace. Take 00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:41.199 them out for ice cream. But God, did you not 00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:48.519 see what they did? Romans 5 .8. Gosh. Right? 00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.079 Romans 5 .8. I think there's probably some people 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.960 I need to take out for ice cream. Yeah. I'll 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:03.199 have to wrestle with that. Anyway. Yeah. I love 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.320 it and hate it when God hits me like that. Yeah. 00:37:06.380 --> 00:37:08.679 for, for, for the listeners that are unaware, 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.860 maybe, maybe you don't know the scripture reference 00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:12.480 right off hand. It's just one of the, one of 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.420 the scripture verses that I decided a while ago, 00:37:15.460 --> 00:37:17.179 this is probably one that I need to, I personally 00:37:17.179 --> 00:37:19.500 need to memorize, but Romans five, eight just 00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:22.460 simply says, um, for God demonstrated his great 00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:24.539 love for us in that while we were still sinners, 00:37:24.579 --> 00:37:28.159 Christ died for us. Um, and, and that right there, 00:37:28.179 --> 00:37:33.800 I mean, while we were walking around with two 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.139 by fours in our eyes whether we whether we knew 00:37:36.139 --> 00:37:40.219 they were there or not christ died for us um 00:37:40.219 --> 00:37:46.059 but yeah so uh let's let's turn the conversation 00:37:46.059 --> 00:37:48.900 a bit to i want to i want to kind of prime the 00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:55.059 pump brad um with with um uh like a a multi -series 00:37:55.059 --> 00:38:00.360 show uh or topic multi series topic that, that 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.420 I want to do in the, in the near, very near future. 00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:08.059 But it specifically does relate to men. And my 00:38:08.059 --> 00:38:14.019 question to you is regarding grace versus justice. 00:38:14.699 --> 00:38:20.039 Yeah. Do you feel that guys just across the board 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:29.679 are, are good? are are are vanilla regular mediocre 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.920 at best or bad at providing grace in the church 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.079 not just and and i mean that could that could 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.280 mean to each other but just is it is it something 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.219 that is demonstrated demonstrative within church 00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:52.420 culture do guys do that well hmm that's that's 00:38:52.420 --> 00:38:54.969 a big question It is. On some level, I think 00:38:54.969 --> 00:38:56.969 it depends person to person. Right. Because there's 00:38:56.969 --> 00:39:00.269 definitely people that are, again, more interested 00:39:00.269 --> 00:39:03.489 toward grace and others toward justice. By the 00:39:03.489 --> 00:39:05.289 way, I think we need each other. I think that's 00:39:05.289 --> 00:39:07.190 why Tabby and I are a good fit. I think that's 00:39:07.190 --> 00:39:09.550 why Sharon and you are a good fit. Yes. Because 00:39:09.550 --> 00:39:13.289 I'm going to tend to err on grace, and sometimes 00:39:13.289 --> 00:39:16.650 that is problematic. Yeah. I know that's not 00:39:16.650 --> 00:39:24.469 the question you asked. No, no, no. I think we 00:39:24.469 --> 00:39:28.829 all struggle with godly grace and mercy, even 00:39:28.829 --> 00:39:32.170 if we're in tune to mercy and grace. Okay. Right? 00:39:32.949 --> 00:39:38.190 So I don't know. Gosh, I don't know how to answer 00:39:38.190 --> 00:39:39.949 the question, DJ, because there's so many thoughts 00:39:39.949 --> 00:39:42.389 going through my mind. Sometimes I think we show 00:39:42.389 --> 00:39:48.769 too much grace, right? Because someone molested 00:39:48.769 --> 00:39:51.050 a child in church. Right. And we're like, well, 00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:52.449 we're Christians. We got to forgive them. Yes, 00:39:52.530 --> 00:39:55.070 we need to forgive them. But we also do not let 00:39:55.070 --> 00:39:57.750 them near our children. That's right. Yeah. Like 00:39:57.750 --> 00:40:03.030 there is forgiveness and there's trust. Right. 00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:06.730 Sometimes we confuse the two. So, yes, we forgive 00:40:06.730 --> 00:40:08.869 them. But also in forgiving them, that doesn't 00:40:08.869 --> 00:40:11.989 mean that we don't have them go through justice 00:40:11.989 --> 00:40:15.190 in the system. Yeah. Right. Because I think, 00:40:15.230 --> 00:40:18.289 oh, well, let's just push it under the rug. No, 00:40:18.369 --> 00:40:22.889 we shouldn't do that either. We can forgive them 00:40:22.889 --> 00:40:26.449 and still have them go through the justice system 00:40:26.449 --> 00:40:30.530 and get justice. And we don't need to just put 00:40:30.530 --> 00:40:34.090 those things in a rug. And I think that's one 00:40:34.090 --> 00:40:35.789 of the things in the church that sometimes we 00:40:35.789 --> 00:40:40.730 give grace and mercy in ways that we shouldn't. 00:40:42.590 --> 00:40:46.510 You know, I think that's causes people who are 00:40:46.510 --> 00:40:51.989 predators. To go toward the church in some ways, 00:40:52.130 --> 00:40:58.269 act the part of a believer. Right. And pray, 00:40:58.550 --> 00:41:02.250 because even if I get caught, you know, I'm going 00:41:02.250 --> 00:41:05.789 to find grace. And that's not the way God gives 00:41:05.789 --> 00:41:10.110 grace. Right. God says he will not be mocked. 00:41:10.110 --> 00:41:12.530 What a man sows, he shall also reap. Right. So 00:41:12.530 --> 00:41:17.480 you have to come humbly to God. In repentance 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.059 to receive his mercy and his grace. Yeah. Right. 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:26.139 So I've had people to be upset when I wouldn't 00:41:26.139 --> 00:41:29.300 help them in some way that they wanted. And one 00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:31.139 of the first things that those people tend to 00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:35.440 do is lash out that I'm being un -Christian and 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.719 I'm being unbiblical and all this stuff. You 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.920 have to help me. We're not reading the same book. 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.510 Yeah. Right. That's not what it says. I am gracious 00:41:47.510 --> 00:41:50.690 and merciful. But I'm not supposed to be gracious 00:41:50.690 --> 00:41:55.369 and merciful if you are continuing to be, you 00:41:55.369 --> 00:41:57.369 know, like if you're coming in and attacking. 00:41:57.909 --> 00:42:01.250 Right. And you're thinking that I can't stand 00:42:01.250 --> 00:42:03.889 against you because I have to be gracious and 00:42:03.889 --> 00:42:06.309 merciful. Then you misunderstand mercy and grace. 00:42:06.550 --> 00:42:09.389 Right. Yeah. Because it's my job to make sure 00:42:09.389 --> 00:42:13.239 that. And I've had situations where there were 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.619 people that I would, and I don't say this lightly 00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:20.679 and I won't mention any names, were wolves. And 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:25.000 they found out that this guy who loves grace 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.079 and mercy, who would love to show them grace 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:31.820 and mercy, had to give them justice because they 00:42:31.820 --> 00:42:34.800 were just trying to continuously prey on sheep. 00:42:35.530 --> 00:42:38.349 right and as an under shepherd like that's not 00:42:38.349 --> 00:42:41.909 how it works so i like it's so hard dj for me 00:42:41.909 --> 00:42:44.250 it is hard you know and i i don't know that there 00:42:44.250 --> 00:42:49.530 is a a clear cut and and nice answer i i was 00:42:49.530 --> 00:42:52.829 i i'm i'm glad that that that you're that you're 00:42:52.829 --> 00:42:54.630 you know acknowledging that the that the water's 00:42:54.630 --> 00:42:57.289 struggling with your question yeah i know well 00:42:57.289 --> 00:43:01.559 here's the thing like Again, I'm really glad 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.860 that you're saying that it's too hard to answer 00:43:03.860 --> 00:43:06.179 because I think it'll help us as long as we're 00:43:06.179 --> 00:43:10.500 willing to kind of, you know, at least certainly 00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:14.239 pull on our own experiences, whether as adults 00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.960 or coming up to the church or even testimonies. 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:23.239 I know, and maybe I'm projecting here, but I 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:27.079 have an experience where, or I have experiences 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:34.730 where... And men are either apathetic entirely 00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:38.389 within the church. I can't speak outside of the 00:43:38.389 --> 00:43:40.929 church. No idea. But within the church, just 00:43:40.929 --> 00:43:43.750 let things play out. You know, who cares? Just 00:43:43.750 --> 00:43:51.909 move on. People will get over stuff. Or they 00:43:51.909 --> 00:43:58.079 are. They, they pick and choose when to be gracious 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:02.980 and merciful. As long as it, as long as it is 00:44:02.980 --> 00:44:07.360 something that, as long as it's something that 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:11.380 like falls within their own. Or someone. Or someone. 00:44:12.739 --> 00:44:14.599 Misappropriating grace and mercy and justice. 00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:16.960 It's like the movie The Untouchables. You ever 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:20.079 see that with Kevin Costner? Way back in the 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.519 late 80s, early 90s, there was this movie that 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:26.139 was created where I want to say they're basically 00:44:26.139 --> 00:44:30.519 U .S. Marshals that went after Al Capone. They 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.840 were called The Untouchables because they did 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:39.639 things that were above the law. they had protection 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:41.980 right they they actually had governmental protection 00:44:41.980 --> 00:44:45.000 and so to me i would be willing to say that that 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.460 with when you say you know it you could do this 00:44:47.460 --> 00:44:49.920 or that with said person it's because you know 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.280 this is a stalwart human being in our in our 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.199 church's charter okay right fine but but but 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.960 like so they deserve more no they don't no absolutely 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:01.679 no but i mean that's that's right i'm with you 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.079 yeah versus versus the 16 year old that got pregnant 00:45:05.630 --> 00:45:08.050 And now we're going to crucify her. Right, yeah, 00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:11.130 yeah. That's when excommunications come in. Because 00:45:11.130 --> 00:45:15.929 I'm going to be honest. Like, I think that the 00:45:15.929 --> 00:45:19.329 church, all right, here's this young girl, and 00:45:19.329 --> 00:45:23.170 I think there's a baby, and we're saying that 00:45:23.170 --> 00:45:25.489 the baby is important to us too, and then we 00:45:25.489 --> 00:45:28.269 ought to act like it. Right. It is a gift from 00:45:28.269 --> 00:45:31.110 God, even if the situation, the scenario was 00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:34.909 not, even though it came out of sin, but hey. 00:45:35.469 --> 00:45:37.829 We're not going to ostracize her. We're going 00:45:37.829 --> 00:45:41.849 to, yes, there is repentance that should be done 00:45:41.849 --> 00:45:44.010 on her part. Right. But we're not repenting for 00:45:44.010 --> 00:45:46.989 the baby and we're celebrating the baby. I think 00:45:46.989 --> 00:45:50.550 we ought to do more baby showers for unwed mothers. 00:45:50.809 --> 00:45:54.409 A hundred percent. Yeah. I love that idea, dude. 00:45:54.570 --> 00:45:57.969 That's because yeah, you're exactly right. That 00:45:57.969 --> 00:46:01.289 absolutely falls in. That absolutely falls into 00:46:01.289 --> 00:46:06.179 the grace versus justice category. Now, I think 00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:08.380 it'd be really easy for the conversation to get 00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:11.639 really convoluted because, as you mentioned, 00:46:11.699 --> 00:46:13.739 because of all of the moving variables that are 00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:17.699 really unmentionable, it's almost like at the 00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:24.219 theoretical, hypothetical and theoretical stratosphere. 00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:28.699 But I do want to say this. I would argue that 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.539 And let's just use this as kind of low -hanging 00:46:32.539 --> 00:46:35.440 fruit right now. We've got the teenager that's 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.179 pregnant. She's unwed. She is deciding to keep 00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:42.539 the baby. I would be willing to say that if a 00:46:42.539 --> 00:46:49.360 man or men pushed for the church to do a baby 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.500 shower, I have a hard time seeing that not happening. 00:46:54.360 --> 00:47:00.469 Does that make sense? the church would not in 00:47:00.469 --> 00:47:05.610 some way make, make an accommodation in, you 00:47:05.610 --> 00:47:08.289 know, and, and reach out as, you know, using 00:47:08.289 --> 00:47:10.250 these as a ministry opportunity, whatever you 00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:11.489 want to call it, however you want to, however 00:47:11.489 --> 00:47:15.869 you want to view that. I do see personally, and, 00:47:15.969 --> 00:47:18.530 and if there, if there's listeners, if there's 00:47:18.530 --> 00:47:20.510 anybody out there that, that doesn't like the 00:47:20.510 --> 00:47:24.510 idea of, of, and I gotta be really careful here. 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.059 that like women are less. This is not where I'm 00:47:29.059 --> 00:47:31.300 headed because I completely and unbelievably 00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:35.019 disagree with that idea. But I definitely think 00:47:35.019 --> 00:47:40.260 that there are leadership characteristics that 00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:43.690 men just naturally have. We're called to lead. 00:47:43.750 --> 00:47:45.889 We are. We're called to lead. We're called to 00:47:45.889 --> 00:47:51.570 lead. Yeah, I'm not trying to push an agenda 00:47:51.570 --> 00:47:54.650 when I say that. But I think that specifically 00:47:54.650 --> 00:47:59.090 my own experience in church situations, if a 00:47:59.090 --> 00:48:01.690 woman comes forward and says, there is this particular 00:48:01.690 --> 00:48:05.769 pregnant teen, and I want to do a baby shower 00:48:05.769 --> 00:48:10.309 for her, it's not going to hit as hard to the 00:48:10.309 --> 00:48:13.000 church. as if there's a guy up there saying, 00:48:13.099 --> 00:48:16.920 this needs to happen. And I think we should both. 00:48:17.300 --> 00:48:19.280 No, no, no, you're exactly right. Thank you for 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.599 that, Brad. Thank you for that. Yes, I'm not 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:25.460 trying to discredit that. And that's why I wanted 00:48:25.460 --> 00:48:28.179 to ask the question from the perspective. Of 00:48:28.179 --> 00:48:30.219 course, most guys I know go like, we should do 00:48:30.219 --> 00:48:33.269 this, but can I please not come? Right. I don't 00:48:33.269 --> 00:48:36.650 really want to. Baby showers and wedding showers 00:48:36.650 --> 00:48:40.369 and all that. I totally think we should do it. 00:48:40.630 --> 00:48:43.150 I will help set up and tear down, but I'm going 00:48:43.150 --> 00:48:50.389 to go golfing while this goes on. I'm going to 00:48:50.389 --> 00:48:52.570 go golfing. Brad's going to go catfishing. Then 00:48:52.570 --> 00:48:54.289 we'll come back and we'll tear everything down. 00:48:54.389 --> 00:48:57.170 We're good. Was it great? I hope it was great. 00:48:58.210 --> 00:49:00.690 I think that's okay on some level. There's guys 00:49:00.690 --> 00:49:02.710 out there probably like, no, I want to go. Make 00:49:02.710 --> 00:49:06.670 the cake. Dude, you would have made the cake 00:49:06.670 --> 00:49:08.750 years ago. And that would have been a banging 00:49:08.750 --> 00:49:12.050 cake, man. I made the cake, but I prefer not 00:49:12.050 --> 00:49:15.670 to still be there. Don't prefer those things. 00:49:15.789 --> 00:49:19.750 But anyway, right. So let me turn a curve too, 00:49:19.829 --> 00:49:27.369 though. Okay. Typically. I want to say 100 % 00:49:27.369 --> 00:49:31.550 because, but typically the people that come expecting 00:49:31.550 --> 00:49:34.690 grace and mercy are the people that probably 00:49:34.690 --> 00:49:39.070 need justice. And the people that come expecting 00:49:39.070 --> 00:49:41.429 justice are the people that need grace and mercy. 00:49:41.590 --> 00:49:44.530 Dude, that right there. So that right there is 00:49:44.530 --> 00:49:47.070 the tax collector banging on his chest saying, 00:49:47.170 --> 00:49:52.420 please forgive me for I'm a sinner. Right. The 00:49:52.420 --> 00:49:54.840 Pharisee or whatever going. I'm so glad I'm not 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.900 like that guy. That's exactly right. Yes. And 00:49:57.900 --> 00:50:02.199 I think about Nicodemus and then I think about 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:05.159 the woman at the well. So often it's like John 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.699 3 and then John 4. Like boom, boom, boom, boom. 00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:11.460 And there's God, you know, Jesus shares the gospel 00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:14.300 with both of them, but it's different. Because 00:50:14.300 --> 00:50:17.139 Nicodemus, like he brings him down. You're a 00:50:17.139 --> 00:50:19.460 ruler, you know, you're a teacher of Israel and 00:50:19.460 --> 00:50:22.059 you don't know these things? You need to be born 00:50:22.059 --> 00:50:27.519 again. And then the woman at the well who is 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.059 debased and all of this stuff, who is ashamed, 00:50:30.460 --> 00:50:33.900 he's drawing her up and bringing her out. And 00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:37.780 I think it's beautiful, this picture that they're 00:50:37.780 --> 00:50:40.039 at a well. And that's what he does. He draws 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:44.579 her up out of the darkness. But I think that's 00:50:44.579 --> 00:50:48.280 that picture. Because one of the things... that 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:50.159 will make me upset. And sometimes I'll still 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:51.639 have to go to, you know, I have to go to God 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.599 with, with my attitude is when people want to 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.239 tell me that I have to give them grace and mercy. 00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:00.659 I don't think that's what you need right now. 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:05.559 Right. Like, yeah, you have to do, I can show 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:09.360 you where Paul says that, that, and this, this, 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.260 this, that you don't meet this, this, this criteria. 00:51:12.619 --> 00:51:18.340 Right. And so, no, you know, and, and, I had 00:51:18.340 --> 00:51:22.199 somebody send me a very nasty text message, you 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:28.119 know, correcting me and, you know, all this. 00:51:28.219 --> 00:51:30.840 I'll clean up the language next time. Yeah, well, 00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:34.079 and sometimes what I have to do with those text 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.860 messages is not reply. Yeah, no, it's exactly 00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:41.920 right. Because, I mean, like, you understand 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.880 clearly that that wick is attached to a stick 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.500 of dynamite. Why blow? Right. I mean, don't light 00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:51.500 it because that's exactly. God has given us wisdom. 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.559 Yes. And again, I try to pray in those situations 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.440 because there's sometimes when you do need to 00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.559 respond and there's sometimes when, right, you 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.460 don't. Right. It's a trap. Yeah. It's a trap. 00:52:02.579 --> 00:52:05.300 It's a trap. I watched that the other night, 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:10.789 by the way. That is no moon. So, Brad, let's 00:52:10.789 --> 00:52:12.710 go ahead and wrap this up because my computer 00:52:12.710 --> 00:52:15.230 battery just let me know that it's about to die. 00:52:15.710 --> 00:52:21.250 But we're right about time anyways. So, listeners, 00:52:21.510 --> 00:52:25.329 thank you so much for hanging out with us. Thank 00:52:25.329 --> 00:52:31.550 you for listening in to me and Brad talking as 00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:34.650 best we could, clearly off the cuff, but as best 00:52:34.650 --> 00:52:38.079 we could about mercy or grace and justice. I 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:42.340 know that this is a very hot topic. It's almost 00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:46.500 like a gaslight topic. But it needs to be said. 00:52:46.579 --> 00:52:48.800 It needs to be had. And again, in the very near 00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:56.039 future, be looking for a multi -show series where 00:52:56.039 --> 00:53:02.860 we talk about grace. Um, maybe Grayson and men 00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:04.480 is, I mean, seriously, it's going to be pretty 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.920 amazing. It's going to be pretty amazing. Yeah. 00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:11.739 Um, amazing grace, right? Yeah. I'm there. I 00:53:11.739 --> 00:53:15.559 got it. Yeah. It took me a second. Um, but, uh, 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.960 we are definitely going to be doing some multi 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.199 -part series, um, because chat GPT said that 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:28.730 we should, um, But Brad, dude, it has been a 00:53:28.730 --> 00:53:32.269 breath of fresh air to do this again with you, 00:53:32.309 --> 00:53:37.510 man. And listeners, a couple things real quick. 00:53:37.590 --> 00:53:40.469 Number one, also be on the lookout in the future. 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.280 Brad and I had such a fun time speaking with 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.699 John Kirkendall that we are going to open up 00:53:46.699 --> 00:53:51.280 the line in the future to bringing in more guests. 00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:59.659 And also, remember, there is a right now a live 00:53:59.659 --> 00:54:04.500 and an active submission still going on for funny 00:54:04.500 --> 00:54:08.460 or crazy church stories. Please let us know. 00:54:09.010 --> 00:54:12.590 Send us an email, menchurchstuff at gmail .com. 00:54:12.690 --> 00:54:15.969 Send us your funny church story, crazy church 00:54:15.969 --> 00:54:18.710 story, even if it's not yours, but you love telling 00:54:18.710 --> 00:54:20.789 it or you love hearing it. Let us know. We're 00:54:20.789 --> 00:54:24.449 going to do an episode strictly on funny church 00:54:24.449 --> 00:54:29.679 stories. Last thing. um is that there is very 00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.219 soon going to be a website that's going to go 00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:35.719 live still working on it but um brad share has 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.400 actually said that it looks really good so that 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.719 makes me feel good well dj he said i'm still 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:42.920 waiting on brad to send me all of this stuff 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:46.639 that is correct to send me that is correct so 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:49.380 that you know so i'm gonna guess i'm gonna guess 00:54:49.380 --> 00:54:51.320 brad within the next two to three weeks there 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.079 will be a website that'll go white that'll go 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:56.650 live But listeners, you know what to do. Follow 00:54:56.650 --> 00:54:58.409 us on our Facebook group page and our Instagram. 00:54:58.670 --> 00:55:01.389 Engage with us. Please connect with us. 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