Welcome, this is the Men Church Stuff Podcast.
This is the show where brothers -in -law DJ Culp
and Brad Coleman talk about stuff from our perspective
as men. It's a show for anyone who wants to hear
how Christians interact with the world. And don't
worry, we're real. We've grown up in church,
and we want to share our experiences with you.
We'll talk life stuff, church stuff, man stuff,
and stuff stuff. Here we go. Greetings, listeners
here and there and everywhere all across the
land. This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. I
am one of your hosts, DJ Culp. As always, here
with my beloved brother -in -law, Brad Coleman.
What's up, Brad? You know, I think that's the
hardest question that you ask me on the show.
What's up, Brad? Yeah. I'm horrible at small
talk. I'm like, the ceiling. Directionally, Brad,
what is up? There's a light up above me. Well,
see, here's the weird part about that question,
though. If you take it in its full literal context,
up is only relative to you because up on the
other side of the planet is, in fact, down. My
hair forgot what up was and fell down. Mine's
slowly but surely working on that. For the viewers
on YouTube, I'll give you a close -up here. Yeah,
that's how it starts. Yep, I know. It's been
there a while, but I'm good. You know, I hope
you don't have the problem I have with I got
a Native American haircut, you know, Apache here
and Apache there. Oh, God. I was like, you're
talking about like scalping? Yeah, yeah. I knew
that's where you'd go. Yeah. Well, listeners.
You're in for a treat today because I'm starting
off with a dramatic reading. All right, Tim.
Tim. Tim. I'm already thinking about our show
topic. Brad, I am going to not include Tabitha
on this one because, like, I'm the host of the
show, too, and I have a wife as well. So I'm
going to let you have to answer to yours so I
don't have to answer to mine. And I'm going to
include Shira's Oops, I Did It Again or a student
of mine submitted I Want It That Way by the Backstreet
Boys. Which, in my opinion, are both fantastic.
They're both good choices. I'm trying to think
through. The lyrics. I kind of feel like I want
you to Britney Spears it, though. All right.
Oops, I did it again. Oops, I did it again. Let's
look up those lyrics here. Oh, my goodness. Pull
them over here. It's all for you, Shara. That's
right. All right. As is typical, I'll go ahead
and crank that music. Time for silly songs. I
mean, it's time for dramatic readings. That's
right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think I did it again.
I made you believe we're more than just friends.
Oh, baby. It might seem like a crush. But it
doesn't mean that I'm serious. Because to lose
all my senses, that is just so typically me.
Oh, baby, baby. Oops. I did it again. This may
be the most uncomfortable that I've been since
you've been doing dramatic reading. I played
with your heart. You pretend you're talking to
Shara. Got lost in the game. Oh, baby, baby.
Oops. You think I'm in love. That I'm sent from
above. I'm not that innocent. You see, my problem
is this. I'm dreaming away, wishing that heroes,
they truly exist. Let you know and play this
on half speed so you sound drunk while you're
reading it. I sound drunk, that's right. I cry,
watching the days. Can't you see I'm a fool?
In so many ways. I don't think I even knew this
song had lyrics. But. To lose. To lose all my
senses. That is just so typically me. Oh baby.
Oh. Oops. I did it again. I played with your
heart. I got lost in the game. Oh, baby. Baby.
Oops. You think I'm in love. That I'm sent from
above. I'm not that innocent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. All aboard. Brittany, before you go, there's
something I want you to have. Oh, it's beautiful.
But wait a minute. Isn't this... Yeah. Yes, it
is. But I thought the old lady dropped it into
the ocean in the end. Well, baby, I went down
and I got it for you. Aw. Breaking myself up.
Imagine DJ is a geriatric guy who's pooped in
his diaper again. The old lady did it. She dropped
it in the ocean, but I went down and got it for
you. You're welcome. Oops. I did it again to
your heart. Got lost in this game. Oh, baby.
Oops. You think. That I'm sent from above. I'm
not that innocent. Oops. I did it again. I played
with your heart. Got lost in the game. Oh, baby,
baby. Oops. You think I'm in love? That I'm sent
from above. i'm not that innocent oops i did
it again i played with your heart got lost in
the game oh baby baby it really just depends
on the way you look at it oops you think i'm
in love that i'm sent from above If you watch
the video, you can go back and see the exact
time when my brain flipped over to thinking about
you talking about being a geriatric guy in adult
diapers and foiling yourself. It'll be subtle,
but you'll see it. You'll see the smirk. Well,
you might see the smirk. It depends. Maybe I'll
do it again for your serenity. Brad, you didn't
pick up on the joke. No, I did. Oh, okay. Serenity
is another brand. I'm the one who didn't pick
up on the joke. You didn't pick up on the joke.
I didn't get it. Dude, I used to work for Walgreens.
Yeah, you know all those brands. That's right.
All right, Brad. Enough is enough. I'm done oopsing.
You don't want to do it again? I don't want to
do it again. Well, I mean, that song's really
dumb. That song's really stupid. I can honestly
say that, yeah, I thought the only lyrics were
like, oops, I did it again. I played with your
heart. Oh, baby, baby. All right. So let's get
into our topic today, Brad. Our topic is a quote
from Tim Keller that, you know, Brad, as you've
mentioned when we were talking about this, that
Tim Keller's deep. So this quote, it was something
that I, when I jotted it down, really my thought
was, huh, I wonder if. I wonder if it's true.
And I was like, I want to have I don't I deliberately
didn't want to think too hard about it because
I wanted to I wanted to kind of visit all of
those thoughts, you know, with you on the show
so that so that you and I could really tease
these out real time. But here's the quote from
Tim Keller. We would never imagine that getting
our hearts deepest desires might be the worst
thing. that ever happens to us we would never
imagine that getting our heart's deepest desires
might be the worst thing to ever happen to us
so brad do you want to kick this one off or do
you want me to do you want me to to dive into
it and with my thoughts what do you want to do
I mean, there's so many different ways, I think,
to look at it. I think, why don't you start?
Okay. And I'll chime in. All right. Well, let
me start then. I'll take over. Yeah, right. Yeah.
Brad, let me start with not just my thought,
but my thinking in relation to like my heart's
deepest, what I have anyways perceived to me,
my heart's deepest desires. um my heart's deepest
desire really has always been to be a professional
drummer um and that's it like not to teach not
to i was like i just got one like yeah seriously
i mean that that's that's what i've that's what
i had wanted really to do since i was a junior
in high school um It's always been my heart's
deepest desire. And I mean, I like to play in
stadiums, thousands upon thousands of people.
And I was actually having this conversation this
morning, not about performing necessarily in
this depth, but with some students of mine. A
student posed the question, what inspired me
to get a PhD? And when I think about that deep
desire of my heart, there's a part of me that
doesn't want to believe the truth in this, but
I know it is a truth. That if I were to have
gotten that deep desire, I know I wouldn't be
the type of dad that I am. I wouldn't be the
type of husband that I am. I think that our definition
is probably different with what you're saying,
because I tell people all the time that that's
what you are, a professional drummer. You have
your doctorate in drumming. I don't have my doctorate
in drumming. I have a doctorate in music education.
Yeah, same thing. That makes you a professional
drummer. It makes me a professional. So anybody
with a doctorate in music education, you're a
professional drummer, according to Brad. Well,
I mean, you know, it's relative. Yeah, tomato,
tomato, right? They're my relative. Yeah. So,
but here's, you know, here's the thing. I know
approximately, Brad, the schedule that those
guys keep. And from so many guys that I've talked
to in the industry, The industry because of the
nature of of of the you know, the entity that
it is it requires everything of you time emotion
oftentimes Like abuse of of What's the word I'm
thinking of of like substances like there's so
much of it in the industry i'm not saying that
it's the devil so anybody hearing me don't don't
hear me saying that the music industry is where
the devil lives i mean it's just as like that
would be just as true as saying that that your
that your area of of expertise is where the devil
lives too i mean it's not that but um i know
that the hours that are pulled Um, and actually
really the, the, the volatility right now of
the way the industry looks as compared to when
even you and I were kids, Brad. Um, I just know
that all of that piled together coming back to
the quote might be the worst thing that ever
happened to me. There's a part of me that, that,
that wonders, would I, I'm not going to say,
would I lose my family? I don't think that Shara
and I, I don't think that our marriage would
fall like that, but I absolutely know that it
would be extreme. I don't want to say traumatically
hard, but extremely hard, extremely harder than
anything we've ever dealt with to balance family
and work in that area. I know for me, my heart
may very well start to become addicted to the
attention of those thousands and thousands of
people that I've always wanted to play for. And
I also know, Brad, that deep down, as I was mentioning
this to my student this morning, God built me.
and wired me to teach college students. And I
think that for me, my heart's desire and God's
calling on my life are not the same, at least
in that respect. That doesn't mean that I don't
perform, right? It just simply means that the
the way that i've always wanted to perform is
not necessarily in in that sense um my calling
if that makes any i hope i hope that that that
made sense yeah cool thanks um so with the quote
How do you kind of interpret that in light of
Psalm 37, 4? Which says, delight yourself in
the Lord and he will give you the desires of
your heart. So ask the question again. So how
do you interpret that quote in light of Psalm
37, 4? and delight yourself in the lord and he
will give you the desires of your heart so um
i think that and and i'm i understand that what
i'm about to say i have seen i have uh i've seen
through shara uh listeners if you knew the show
shares my wife um you're not new to the show
sure if you're not new to the show you knew that
yeah right yeah sure it's still my wife um so
i have i have seen that some of shara's heart's
desires were only hers that they were not necessarily
what god wanted for her and again as i mentioned
you know my heart's desire was was a but god's
calling on my life was b not to say that those
two things are irreconcilable but again in the
way that that that both of us were viewing them
They were only our own heart's desires without
God's approval, without God's leadership, without
God's – I'm trying to think of the word for it
– without God being a part of that desire. So
I think Psalm 37 .4. Sylvester, what tweet are
you at? I think Psalm 37 .4. I think that it,
I think it's like, I like to, I like to think
about, and this is the nerd in me, take delight
in the Lord and he will give you desires of your
hearts. Like this is a, it's an if then statement,
right? It is a, if you take the desire, if you
take delight in the Lord, then he will give you
the desire, your heart's desires. And I think
the, the underlying, the underlying truth in
that is that our heart's desires. are to be in
the Lord and he will actually tell our heart
what some of those desires should in fact be.
Now, I think, I think that can be very, I think
that can be some ammunition for a skeptic saying,
so God doesn't want me to be who I want to be.
Actually, there's a large part of that that could
be true. I even heard Rick Warren say, um, like
as a guy, And let's go some monitoring for adults
listening to the show right now. If you have
kids, you might want to just either turn the
volume down, scoop ahead. But I've heard Rick
Warren say in a past interview that as a guy,
if he only pays attention to his impulses, then
he should have sex with every single woman that
he sees. That's wrong, right? Not just in its
own essence, but it goes against, obviously,
the Lord's will and that kind of thing. So if
we delight in the Lord, then our heart's desire
will basically be to happily take what he gives
us. That's the way I kind of take that. Yeah,
so we're saying, maybe I'm putting words in your
mouth, so maybe I'm saying this. Would you say
that when we're delighting in the Lord, it may
cause our heart's desire to change? Yeah, it
might very well. That the thing that we thought
we wanted, and I guess I would unpack it this
way. Why do we have desires of our heart? What
do we think in seeking those that that's going
to do? What is it going to fulfill? Why do we
want it? Are you asking rhetorically? Well, I'm
asking either way. Why did your heart think being
a professional drummer? Why did it want that?
Why was that a... Yeah, so... What was it trying
to do to accomplish via that? Hey, if I'm a professional
drummer... Yeah, I will get everything that I...
So for me, Brad, it is... And the older that
I've gotten, the more I've been able to kind
of hone in on this. I want to musically express
really myself. I want to musically express...
how I'm interacting with the music. And I want
to do that to a large audience partially because
I enjoy entertaining people in that sense. Um,
and another part of it is I like music. If you
do it well, music has the potential, not when
I say to inspire, I'm not necessarily talking
about only about, you know, inspiring people
to go pick up an instrument and, learn how to
do this themselves, but people that are already
there and that already have skill, it inspires
them. The best way that I've ever heard it put
is to think about the world or to think about
the way that things could be rather than just
the way things are. So for me, when I, when I
hear various drummers play, I'm always thinking,
Ooh, that's a cool idea. Not a fan of that. I
wonder if I could do this, if I, if I could do
this, how would I do this? There's, you know,
just interacting with it on such a, on such a
deep level. I, I want to be able to do that.
And I also want, I want to, to be able to do
that on a large scale, but I also know Brad,
which is why I say, you know, which is why I
mentioned, you know, the schedule that's kept
and, and, and all that kind of stuff. I also
know that if you're going to do that on a large
scale, that it comes at a cost. And the cost
is at the expense of, like, family. I'm not saying
that you're not allowed to get married. I mean,
there's plenty of people that do. And there are
lots of people who get divorced and remarry and
get divorced and remarry. And there's a lot of
people who stay married, you know, and all that
kind of stuff. But, again, it's the separation.
It's the, again, being the kind of dad that I
want to be, I know that being able to express
myself, express my heart's desire in that way
would come at that cost. Yeah. So sometimes God
leads us away from those things that we desire
because he knows. What they would bring would
not be what we're expecting. I think that's true,
yeah. I think about, like, growing up, and they
did a good job on toy commercials. They did a
good job making us think, I need that toy. And,
you know, if I get that toy, I'll be happy. You
know, sometimes as a kid, that toy was the heart's
desire. Maybe it's a toy your cousin had, you
know, and it was so, so cool and you wanted it.
And then you got that toy and it was fun until
the next commercial came on. And they're like,
oh, yeah, well, you have this, but do you have
the accessory pack? Oh. Now that thing that was
my heart's desire is no longer fulfilling that
desire. I need something else. I remember they
had a great commercial back years ago of a guy
who had a computer. And it was like, he's got
his computer. It's like. the five S or whatever.
And he's, he's looking at the billboard and it's
like five S the newest one. And he's like, yeah,
he's jamming out. And as he's looking, it's a
guy on the billboard that puts up six in place
of the five. And he's like, yeah, now he's, he
went from jamming to not. And which is, you know,
it's so human because he was so content. Until
he found out he didn't have the newest one anymore.
Right. And I think, you know, again, if we're
delighting in the Lord and God is fulfilling,
you know, that need, those things that we were
trying to seek to fulfill, if it's being fulfilled
in God. And I think, yeah, then the desire of
a heart will change. And then it becomes less
of a selfish desire and more of a good desire.
And, you know, I think that's when God wants
to give us that desire, you know. And again,
that's not to say that all desires are bad. I
like... I like what Tony Evans said when he said,
you know, a lot of times our desires or a lot
of times sin is our illegitimate way of fulfilling
a legitimate desire. Right. I think God is wired
in us. Yeah. That's a good word, dude. To want
to receive love, to want to. I mean, he's built
us for community. So we we have a natural desire
to want to belong. you know, to be loved, to
belong, these kind of things. And so there's
nothing wrong with those being fulfilled, but
oftentimes we try to fulfill them the wrong way.
You know, we try to do all of these things to
make ourselves feel loved. And, you know, we
try to change ourselves to suit other people
so that we can belong. Because we're afraid that
we'll be ostracized. I'm going to say things
that I wouldn't normally say. I'm going to do
things I wouldn't do so I can fit in. And I think,
relating back to my heart's desire of playing,
I know that there is an enormous propensity to
do just exactly that in the music industry. And
I mean, you can rail about it all day long, but
it's still the reality that it goes on. And understand,
I'm not trying to convolute by insinuating that
I may fall into that. That's not what I'm talking
about. But I just know it's very prevalent in
those areas. But what about you, Brad? Like thinking
about this quote, I'll read it again for our
listeners. We would never imagine that getting
our heart's deepest desires might be the worst
thing to ever happen to us. I started to think
back on some of the things that I asked God for,
you know, before. And like if God had have said
yes, kind of just. with where i am now looking
at how that would have probably played out yeah
and i'm glad that he said no you know how many
you know i think a lot of us have probably been
in a relationship at some point we're like oh
lord let this be the one yeah and and then in
hindsight now i go oh you know So glad that wasn't
the one. Thank you that you said no. Because
obviously that would not have worked. And again,
even that's not a diss to some of those people.
I mean, it may be to some, but I mean, you know,
we're saying like, obviously it came out that
this wasn't the one for me, that we weren't as
compatible. And I was all up in those emotions.
So things that I wanted that I didn't get, and
I look back and I go, if you'd have let me do
that, I probably would have been cocky about
it. I'd have been arrogant. And that's not good.
That wouldn't have led to good things. And one
of the things for me, I know with this deepest
desire, I really do fear, Brad, that. As I mentioned,
I really do fear that my heart would become addicted
very much. It would idolize the next gig. It
would idolize the next autograph. It would idolize
the next location, the next tour. I mean – And
that's one of the things, too, that I was – when
you first read the quote that I was kind of thinking
and wanted to kind of mesh out a little bit was
when those things become idolatry. Yeah. Right?
Because – of whatever it was. Because anything
that comes between you and God is arguably idolatry
there in itself. I would argue that too, yeah.
So this thing, which may be a good thing, right?
Because idols aren't always, they don't always
start out as bad things. Exactly right. Good
things take up, Too much. And again, I think
about the guy who created Big Idea and VeggieTales.
And right now I can't even think of his name.
It's not important, but I heard his testimony
because I don't know if you know this, but Big
Idea was getting so big that it was starting
to compete with like. Disney and Pixar and those
kind of things on the Christian level. There
were people that were leaving those other companies
and coming and working for Big Idea. And there
were people that were saying, oh, this is going
to be the next Disney. It was just huge. And
then some things happened and they basically
lost everything. And from the standpoint, it
really wasn't because they were doing stuff wrong.
Yeah. Matter of fact, if I understand correctly,
there were some false allegations about false
contracts. And, you know, he said, I was listening
to part of his testimony. Basically, they were
taking a court and sued. And he's like, and I
knew we were going to win because we didn't promise
those things. We didn't say those things. They
were lies. Yeah. And I knew God was on our side.
I knew we were going to win. And then we lost.
And we lost for a great big amount of money,
which basically made them have to sell off every
big idea. Wow. Or VegTales and stuff. And his
point was, when God gives you a dream, and then
God takes away that dream, what do you do? And
I think he kind of, and it's been a while, but
I think he's kind of alluding to the fact that
But be careful that that dream doesn't take God's
place. Because, hey, especially when people are
whispering in your ear, hey, this is going to
be the next Disney. This is huge. This is awesome.
Yeah, how do you ignore that? Right. And again,
I mean, I encourage people to go, again, I can't
remember his name, but look it up and look up
his testimony. And there's some videos out there
of kind of, you know, going through that. But
I think that's the thing is like God can give
us good gifts. And sometimes if we're not careful,
those good gifts can become idols. And then now
we're sinning, right? We're worshiping not God,
not the creator, but the creation. We're worshiping
these gifts. And I think so much of Gideon, and
I love the story of Gideon in the Bible, and
there's great victory in it. But then after the
victory, they make a golden ephod, which is kind
of like this fancy dressy thing for a priest
or whatever to wear. And the Bible says, and
they basically turned it into an idol. And it
caused them to stumble in many ways. It caused
Gideon to stumble because of this. When God had
given them the victory, and here are the spoils,
which God has given them of the victory. And
then they take those spoils and create an idol.
I think about how I was in high school and I
always and there's still if I'm honest, there's
still that part of my brain that that wants to.
And it's probably foolishness to a lot of people
would mean anything. I've always wanted to be
able to bench 300 pounds. Really? Yeah. And I've
got him. I got in my mind. That is, you know,
no one. that I know doesn't go, oh, that's impressive.
Yeah. Right? And so that was how I know I would
have made it. That's how I know that I'm strong,
all these things. And the last game of my junior
year, I hurt my wrist. Oh, dude. And, you know,
the most I've ever pressed up was like 225. And
the last time I tried to press up 225, and this
is as an adult, my wrist felt like it was about
to explode. It was like, nope. And on some level,
I go, that was you, right? Because you knew I'd
be cocky about that. You knew I'd be angry about
it. And you knew, too, it wouldn't fulfill me
the way that I think it would. But there's still
that part of me. Again, I said, like as an adult.
So I'm like, okay, maybe now I'll be able to
do. do this. And, you know, hit 225, got back
to the point where I could hit 225 up. And when
I did, it's just the pressure to that old injury
was just like, okay, you're never going to let
me get there. Are you? And, and if honestly,
even I'm sitting here right now, I'm like, well,
maybe, maybe. And it's, you know, and it's, how
is it ridiculous? That's a 41 year old guy. I'm
like, I don't know if I could just lift for,
if I could just lift 300 pounds, if I just bench
300 pounds and I have to go, why, why do I want
that? I have thought that Noah or Noah, listen
to me, Brad, I've thought that same thing. Like,
why is it? Why does Brad, why does Brad want
to bench three, 300 pounds? Like, why is it that.
Why is it that I feel like I need to be validated
by not just thousands and thousands of people,
but also by the level of musicians that I would
be playing with in front of that size audience?
And to be quite honest, I – all right, Brad.
I'm about to put myself on the couch here. You
got your pen and paper. Always. Always, yeah.
I think the reason that I feel like I want that
validation is because deep down, I refuse to
believe that I would be any good as a musician
unless I'm able to play side by side with those
guys. Yeah. I think that's what it is. And so
that's a confidence issue. It's a standard that
I don't believe that I can actually meet until
I see it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think,
too, that, again, that God loves us and he's
a good father and he knows if that's going to
be something that's bad for us. And he knows,
too, that it's not going to fulfill us in the
way. that we think you know i mean we can make
that with money all day long you know and again
we we have to have money at some level to survive
we got to pay our bills we got to eat you know
money is the system that we do but i think you
know a lot of us would go if i just have more
money but you want to hear from rich people when
i've read about like people like rockefeller
and all that it's like i think it was rockefeller
uh whom somebody said you know How much is enough?
And he said, just one more dollar. It may not
have been Rockefeller, but you can probably search
it up. But anyway, one of those really rich,
barren guys. And two, some of them who just really
had a change of heart because they got money.
And they realized that that money was just really
controlling them. And that's where some of them
turned into some amazing philanthropists and
started just spending and giving and supporting.
I like what Jim Carrey said, and I think it goes
along with this. I think everybody should get
rich and famous and do everything they ever dreamed
of so they can see that it's not the answer.
I love that quote, dude. I love that quote from
Jim Carrey. Yeah. Because, you know, and I think
that's the reality. If God gave us the desire
of our heart outside of him, we would realize.
It didn't fulfill me. Didn't do what I thought
it would do. It was cool for a minute, but then
something else was there. One of the things that's
really hard, I think, to convey to people about
God's love is this very conversation of, so do
you know how much God loves you? He is willing
to change your heart. And change the things that
you want to the things that he wants. Yeah. Like,
and I understand fully that what I just said
in the way that I just said, it makes it sound
like, like, like God is, is the enemy. Like how
would, why, why is it okay that he changes what
I want to what he wants? And I should be okay
with that because last I checked, I didn't create
the universe. Last I checked, I, I am not perfect
love. And last I checked, the joy that I get
when I teach students, I honestly think, and
I'm going to say this for the first time in my
like vocalizing this. I honestly think that the
joy that I get from teaching my students would
surpass the joy that I get, the joy that I would
get from playing for thousands of people. I honestly
believe that. Again, for me, it's the junk food
versus steak argument. Yeah. Junk food never
satiates me. Right. I can eat it and eat it and
eat it until I get sick. Yeah. But if I go out
and have a good steak. I don't want to eat anything
else. Yeah, I don't want dessert. Dude, that's
a solid word because I'm like you. If I get a
New York strip, medium rare, 16 ounce with a
side or two, some bread, like just a typical
steakhouse meal, I don't ever order dessert because
I don't want it. I'm way too full, but I have
been satisfied. Dude, that's a good word, man.
And I think that the things of God, when we delight
in the Lord and the gifts that he gives, and
we receive those things in Thanksgiving, and
that we're getting a stake. And so sometimes
we're going, God, why won't you give me the Reese
cups? Yeah. Is it because I got a stake for you?
Mm -hmm. And the reality is I want the Reese
cups until I've had the stake. Yeah. And now
I don't. But if I have the Reese cup, I just
want more Reese cup, more Reese cup. It's just
more and more and more and more and more. And
I think that's it. You know, there's the quote
that says the two greatest times in a man's life
is when he's born and the day he finds out why.
See, I've heard it. I've heard it that the two
greatest days in a man's life is the day he buys
a boat and the day he sells a boat. Yeah, that's
probably true, too. I'll let you know about the
latter part. I think I would add more of the
three, the day he's born, the day he's born again.
Yeah, right. And maybe that's part of that is
that he's finding out why in that second one.
Right, yeah. When we acknowledge that God is
our creator and he's made us, and he is good,
and he's made us for good and for good things.
He's given us things to enjoy. He's made steak
taste good. He's made the sunshine on a cold
day just warm us up. There's so many good gifts.
Hugs feel good. He's the author of all these
things. So one of the things I think of is, and
I've said this before, the more I lose myself
in Jesus, the more I find out who I really am.
So I didn't lose who I was. Actually, I gained
more of who I was, understood more of who I was,
that he has made me to know him, the author of
love and of good, who has no darkness, who there
is no shifting shadow. He's made me so that I
could know him and he know me. Give me the desire
to live eternally with him because he's the author
of joy and happiness. So, yeah, I certainly think
if I got everything I want that it would be horrible.
And I see that, if I'm honest, sometimes in people's
children who they never say no to. Because they're
not the happiest kids. Right? Our hearts, our
humanity would lead us to believe that if we
get everything we want, we'll be happy. We'll
be happy. But when I see kids that get everything
they want, they're probably the least happy.
What do you mean you got me a blue car? I wanted
a red car. Yeah. I think... And I mean, we we
we don't actually have time to chase it, but
the you know, the the false the false truth in
if I get everything that I want, I'll be happy.
The false truth is that the wanting will never
stop. Right. And with with Jesus, the wanting
still doesn't stop. I like I've heard it said,
you know, like with Jesus. Jesus will satisfy
all of your desires, which I fully believe. But
it's almost sometimes stated in the context or
in the way where it seems that the message being
translated is that when you have Jesus, you won't
want anything else. But again, I think it's back
to that stake equation, right? If I go out tonight
and have a good steak, I'm satisfied. That's
right. When I wake up tomorrow and I start tomorrow,
I'm not going, well, I ate steak yesterday. I'm
fine. Yeah, that's exactly right. It's a new
day. I need to eat again. And I think that's,
you know, when Jesus says, blessed are those
who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for
they shall be satisfied. They'll be filled. I
think that's a picture. I think there's a reason.
Right. That he goes hunger and thirst because,
look, I'm drinking water right now and it's good.
But if I finish this water and I don't drink
any for three days, guess what? I won't even
take that long. But right. Yeah. I'm going to
be dying and begging for water. Right. And I
think that's the that's I think that's part of
the point that I see in that message is hunger
and thirst after righteousness. And Jesus will
satisfy you. And do it again tomorrow, and it'll
satisfy you again. Right. And do it again the
day after that, and it'll satisfy you again.
And he'll, unlike the Reese cups and the gummy
bears, which will never completely satiate you,
he will do so again and again and again. So just
like these desires of our heart that would not
be good for us, that are always going to, I need
to be better, I need to do better, I need to
make more, I need to have more, this, this, this,
which is just going to make us want more. When
we find that in Christ, it's going to make us
want Him more, and then we can be satisfied over
and over again. I mean, I don't know. That's
what I think. No, you're exactly right. Thanks.
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