WEBVTT 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:05.860 Welcome, this is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. 00:00:16.699 --> 00:00:19.219 This is the show where brothers -in -law DJ Culp 00:00:19.219 --> 00:00:23.000 and Brad Coleman talk about stuff from our perspective 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.480 as men. It's a show for anyone who wants to hear 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.039 how Christians interact with the world. And don't 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.670 worry, we're real. We've grown up in church, 00:00:31.789 --> 00:00:34.090 and we want to share our experiences with you. 00:00:34.549 --> 00:00:37.990 We'll talk life stuff, church stuff, man stuff, 00:00:38.229 --> 00:00:50.009 and stuff stuff. Here we go. Greetings, listeners 00:00:50.009 --> 00:00:52.210 here and there and everywhere all across the 00:00:52.210 --> 00:00:55.189 land. This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. I 00:00:55.189 --> 00:00:58.869 am one of your hosts, DJ Culp. As always, here 00:00:58.869 --> 00:01:02.009 with my beloved brother -in -law, Brad Coleman. 00:01:02.689 --> 00:01:05.569 What's up, Brad? You know, I think that's the 00:01:05.569 --> 00:01:07.510 hardest question that you ask me on the show. 00:01:07.829 --> 00:01:11.930 What's up, Brad? Yeah. I'm horrible at small 00:01:11.930 --> 00:01:15.709 talk. I'm like, the ceiling. Directionally, Brad, 00:01:15.930 --> 00:01:20.569 what is up? There's a light up above me. Well, 00:01:20.590 --> 00:01:22.049 see, here's the weird part about that question, 00:01:22.129 --> 00:01:24.030 though. If you take it in its full literal context, 00:01:24.290 --> 00:01:28.310 up is only relative to you because up on the 00:01:28.310 --> 00:01:31.829 other side of the planet is, in fact, down. My 00:01:31.829 --> 00:01:36.150 hair forgot what up was and fell down. Mine's 00:01:36.150 --> 00:01:43.829 slowly but surely working on that. For the viewers 00:01:43.829 --> 00:01:48.829 on YouTube, I'll give you a close -up here. Yeah, 00:01:48.849 --> 00:01:51.969 that's how it starts. Yep, I know. It's been 00:01:51.969 --> 00:01:57.010 there a while, but I'm good. You know, I hope 00:01:57.010 --> 00:02:01.769 you don't have the problem I have with I got 00:02:01.769 --> 00:02:05.010 a Native American haircut, you know, Apache here 00:02:05.010 --> 00:02:08.550 and Apache there. Oh, God. I was like, you're 00:02:08.550 --> 00:02:12.090 talking about like scalping? Yeah, yeah. I knew 00:02:12.090 --> 00:02:16.370 that's where you'd go. Yeah. Well, listeners. 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.860 You're in for a treat today because I'm starting 00:02:20.860 --> 00:02:25.979 off with a dramatic reading. All right, Tim. 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:31.319 Tim. Tim. I'm already thinking about our show 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.360 topic. Brad, I am going to not include Tabitha 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:42.939 on this one because, like, I'm the host of the 00:02:42.939 --> 00:02:45.560 show, too, and I have a wife as well. So I'm 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.659 going to let you have to answer to yours so I 00:02:47.659 --> 00:02:50.500 don't have to answer to mine. And I'm going to 00:02:50.500 --> 00:02:56.000 include Shira's Oops, I Did It Again or a student 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:01.800 of mine submitted I Want It That Way by the Backstreet 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:07.900 Boys. Which, in my opinion, are both fantastic. 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.680 They're both good choices. I'm trying to think 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:19.479 through. The lyrics. I kind of feel like I want 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:23.060 you to Britney Spears it, though. All right. 00:03:23.139 --> 00:03:28.000 Oops, I did it again. Oops, I did it again. Let's 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:39.400 look up those lyrics here. Oh, my goodness. Pull 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:43.800 them over here. It's all for you, Shara. That's 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:51.960 right. All right. As is typical, I'll go ahead 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:56.539 and crank that music. Time for silly songs. I 00:03:56.539 --> 00:03:59.120 mean, it's time for dramatic readings. That's 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:16.139 right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:04:16.819 --> 00:04:24.560 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think I did it again. 00:04:26.459 --> 00:04:29.379 I made you believe we're more than just friends. 00:04:31.819 --> 00:04:39.629 Oh, baby. It might seem like a crush. But it 00:04:39.629 --> 00:04:44.629 doesn't mean that I'm serious. Because to lose 00:04:44.629 --> 00:04:49.610 all my senses, that is just so typically me. 00:04:52.529 --> 00:05:02.709 Oh, baby, baby. Oops. I did it again. This may 00:05:02.709 --> 00:05:05.509 be the most uncomfortable that I've been since 00:05:05.509 --> 00:05:09.509 you've been doing dramatic reading. I played 00:05:09.509 --> 00:05:11.889 with your heart. You pretend you're talking to 00:05:11.889 --> 00:05:19.490 Shara. Got lost in the game. Oh, baby, baby. 00:05:22.550 --> 00:05:31.870 Oops. You think I'm in love. That I'm sent from 00:05:31.870 --> 00:05:39.970 above. I'm not that innocent. You see, my problem 00:05:39.970 --> 00:05:46.870 is this. I'm dreaming away, wishing that heroes, 00:05:47.189 --> 00:05:52.269 they truly exist. Let you know and play this 00:05:52.269 --> 00:05:54.350 on half speed so you sound drunk while you're 00:05:54.350 --> 00:05:59.089 reading it. I sound drunk, that's right. I cry, 00:05:59.389 --> 00:06:06.889 watching the days. Can't you see I'm a fool? 00:06:07.689 --> 00:06:11.750 In so many ways. I don't think I even knew this 00:06:11.750 --> 00:06:18.889 song had lyrics. But. To lose. To lose all my 00:06:18.889 --> 00:06:25.689 senses. That is just so typically me. Oh baby. 00:06:26.430 --> 00:06:35.629 Oh. Oops. I did it again. I played with your 00:06:35.629 --> 00:06:43.430 heart. I got lost in the game. Oh, baby. Baby. 00:06:47.509 --> 00:06:54.949 Oops. You think I'm in love. That I'm sent from 00:06:54.949 --> 00:07:05.769 above. I'm not that innocent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:07:07.529 --> 00:07:19.189 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 00:07:19.790 --> 00:07:31.910 yeah. All aboard. Brittany, before you go, there's 00:07:31.910 --> 00:07:38.699 something I want you to have. Oh, it's beautiful. 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:47.199 But wait a minute. Isn't this... Yeah. Yes, it 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:53.720 is. But I thought the old lady dropped it into 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:59.399 the ocean in the end. Well, baby, I went down 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:04.819 and I got it for you. Aw. Breaking myself up. 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.319 Imagine DJ is a geriatric guy who's pooped in 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:18.160 his diaper again. The old lady did it. She dropped 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:19.839 it in the ocean, but I went down and got it for 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:28.120 you. You're welcome. Oops. I did it again to 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.740 your heart. Got lost in this game. Oh, baby. 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:39.700 Oops. You think. That I'm sent from above. I'm 00:08:39.700 --> 00:08:49.799 not that innocent. Oops. I did it again. I played 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:54.379 with your heart. Got lost in the game. Oh, baby, 00:08:54.460 --> 00:09:01.700 baby. Oops. You think I'm in love? That I'm sent 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:13.200 from above. i'm not that innocent oops i did 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:18.559 it again i played with your heart got lost in 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:23.440 the game oh baby baby it really just depends 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.480 on the way you look at it oops you think i'm 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:41.460 in love that i'm sent from above If you watch 00:09:41.460 --> 00:09:43.840 the video, you can go back and see the exact 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:49.840 time when my brain flipped over to thinking about 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:54.679 you talking about being a geriatric guy in adult 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:01.139 diapers and foiling yourself. It'll be subtle, 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:06.080 but you'll see it. You'll see the smirk. Well, 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:11.240 you might see the smirk. It depends. Maybe I'll 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.779 do it again for your serenity. Brad, you didn't 00:10:15.779 --> 00:10:19.000 pick up on the joke. No, I did. Oh, okay. Serenity 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:23.659 is another brand. I'm the one who didn't pick 00:10:23.659 --> 00:10:24.659 up on the joke. You didn't pick up on the joke. 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.539 I didn't get it. Dude, I used to work for Walgreens. 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:30.919 Yeah, you know all those brands. That's right. 00:10:32.460 --> 00:10:37.159 All right, Brad. Enough is enough. I'm done oopsing. 00:10:37.379 --> 00:10:39.220 You don't want to do it again? I don't want to 00:10:39.220 --> 00:10:44.659 do it again. Well, I mean, that song's really 00:10:44.659 --> 00:10:50.620 dumb. That song's really stupid. I can honestly 00:10:50.620 --> 00:10:53.480 say that, yeah, I thought the only lyrics were 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.559 like, oops, I did it again. I played with your 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:00.840 heart. Oh, baby, baby. All right. So let's get 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:07.820 into our topic today, Brad. Our topic is a quote 00:11:07.820 --> 00:11:12.639 from Tim Keller that, you know, Brad, as you've 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.779 mentioned when we were talking about this, that 00:11:15.779 --> 00:11:22.799 Tim Keller's deep. So this quote, it was something 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:29.000 that I, when I jotted it down, really my thought 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:34.899 was, huh, I wonder if. I wonder if it's true. 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:38.980 And I was like, I want to have I don't I deliberately 00:11:38.980 --> 00:11:40.960 didn't want to think too hard about it because 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.700 I wanted to I wanted to kind of visit all of 00:11:43.700 --> 00:11:46.279 those thoughts, you know, with you on the show 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.960 so that so that you and I could really tease 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.419 these out real time. But here's the quote from 00:11:52.419 --> 00:11:56.519 Tim Keller. We would never imagine that getting 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:00.659 our hearts deepest desires might be the worst 00:12:00.659 --> 00:12:05.309 thing. that ever happens to us we would never 00:12:05.309 --> 00:12:08.009 imagine that getting our heart's deepest desires 00:12:08.009 --> 00:12:11.570 might be the worst thing to ever happen to us 00:12:11.570 --> 00:12:16.929 so brad do you want to kick this one off or do 00:12:16.929 --> 00:12:19.389 you want me to do you want me to to dive into 00:12:19.389 --> 00:12:21.009 it and with my thoughts what do you want to do 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:25.500 I mean, there's so many different ways, I think, 00:12:25.539 --> 00:12:29.080 to look at it. I think, why don't you start? 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.840 Okay. And I'll chime in. All right. Well, let 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:34.500 me start then. I'll take over. Yeah, right. Yeah. 00:12:35.500 --> 00:12:39.360 Brad, let me start with not just my thought, 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:44.639 but my thinking in relation to like my heart's 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:47.820 deepest, what I have anyways perceived to me, 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.940 my heart's deepest desires. um my heart's deepest 00:12:51.940 --> 00:12:59.580 desire really has always been to be a professional 00:12:59.580 --> 00:13:05.620 drummer um and that's it like not to teach not 00:13:05.620 --> 00:13:08.220 to i was like i just got one like yeah seriously 00:13:08.220 --> 00:13:11.159 i mean that that's that's what i've that's what 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.899 i had wanted really to do since i was a junior 00:13:14.899 --> 00:13:18.360 in high school um It's always been my heart's 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.539 deepest desire. And I mean, I like to play in 00:13:21.539 --> 00:13:24.600 stadiums, thousands upon thousands of people. 00:13:27.659 --> 00:13:30.399 And I was actually having this conversation this 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.379 morning, not about performing necessarily in 00:13:33.379 --> 00:13:38.879 this depth, but with some students of mine. A 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.360 student posed the question, what inspired me 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.899 to get a PhD? And when I think about that deep 00:13:46.899 --> 00:13:53.120 desire of my heart, there's a part of me that 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:57.519 doesn't want to believe the truth in this, but 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:02.720 I know it is a truth. That if I were to have 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:07.639 gotten that deep desire, I know I wouldn't be 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:13.250 the type of dad that I am. I wouldn't be the 00:14:13.250 --> 00:14:19.169 type of husband that I am. I think that our definition 00:14:19.169 --> 00:14:22.570 is probably different with what you're saying, 00:14:22.690 --> 00:14:25.389 because I tell people all the time that that's 00:14:25.389 --> 00:14:27.750 what you are, a professional drummer. You have 00:14:27.750 --> 00:14:30.330 your doctorate in drumming. I don't have my doctorate 00:14:30.330 --> 00:14:32.529 in drumming. I have a doctorate in music education. 00:14:33.129 --> 00:14:37.870 Yeah, same thing. That makes you a professional 00:14:37.870 --> 00:14:39.870 drummer. It makes me a professional. So anybody 00:14:39.870 --> 00:14:41.509 with a doctorate in music education, you're a 00:14:41.509 --> 00:14:44.429 professional drummer, according to Brad. Well, 00:14:44.570 --> 00:14:47.009 I mean, you know, it's relative. Yeah, tomato, 00:14:47.129 --> 00:14:49.730 tomato, right? They're my relative. Yeah. So, 00:14:49.909 --> 00:14:55.669 but here's, you know, here's the thing. I know 00:14:55.669 --> 00:14:58.710 approximately, Brad, the schedule that those 00:14:58.710 --> 00:15:04.629 guys keep. And from so many guys that I've talked 00:15:04.629 --> 00:15:10.490 to in the industry, The industry because of the 00:15:10.490 --> 00:15:14.830 nature of of of the you know, the entity that 00:15:14.830 --> 00:15:20.889 it is it requires everything of you time emotion 00:15:20.889 --> 00:15:31.070 oftentimes Like abuse of of What's the word I'm 00:15:31.070 --> 00:15:34.000 thinking of of like substances like there's so 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:35.720 much of it in the industry i'm not saying that 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:37.980 it's the devil so anybody hearing me don't don't 00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:39.460 hear me saying that the music industry is where 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:42.919 the devil lives i mean it's just as like that 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.299 would be just as true as saying that that your 00:15:46.299 --> 00:15:49.460 that your area of of expertise is where the devil 00:15:49.460 --> 00:15:54.080 lives too i mean it's not that but um i know 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:57.659 that the hours that are pulled Um, and actually 00:15:57.659 --> 00:16:00.679 really the, the, the volatility right now of 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.000 the way the industry looks as compared to when 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.639 even you and I were kids, Brad. Um, I just know 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:12.519 that all of that piled together coming back to 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:14.700 the quote might be the worst thing that ever 00:16:14.700 --> 00:16:18.159 happened to me. There's a part of me that, that, 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:23.740 that wonders, would I, I'm not going to say, 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:26.220 would I lose my family? I don't think that Shara 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:29.039 and I, I don't think that our marriage would 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:35.139 fall like that, but I absolutely know that it 00:16:35.139 --> 00:16:39.860 would be extreme. I don't want to say traumatically 00:16:39.860 --> 00:16:43.100 hard, but extremely hard, extremely harder than 00:16:43.100 --> 00:16:47.799 anything we've ever dealt with to balance family 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:58.360 and work in that area. I know for me, my heart 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:03.600 may very well start to become addicted to the 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:06.480 attention of those thousands and thousands of 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:12.599 people that I've always wanted to play for. And 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:18.700 I also know, Brad, that deep down, as I was mentioning 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:22.759 this to my student this morning, God built me. 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:29.980 and wired me to teach college students. And I 00:17:29.980 --> 00:17:38.559 think that for me, my heart's desire and God's 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:44.359 calling on my life are not the same, at least 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.119 in that respect. That doesn't mean that I don't 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.670 perform, right? It just simply means that the 00:17:51.670 --> 00:17:55.329 the way that i've always wanted to perform is 00:17:55.329 --> 00:18:03.289 not necessarily in in that sense um my calling 00:18:03.289 --> 00:18:06.269 if that makes any i hope i hope that that that 00:18:06.269 --> 00:18:16.089 made sense yeah cool thanks um so with the quote 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:21.299 How do you kind of interpret that in light of 00:18:21.299 --> 00:18:25.960 Psalm 37, 4? Which says, delight yourself in 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.759 the Lord and he will give you the desires of 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:36.900 your heart. So ask the question again. So how 00:18:36.900 --> 00:18:41.200 do you interpret that quote in light of Psalm 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.220 37, 4? and delight yourself in the lord and he 00:18:45.220 --> 00:18:48.099 will give you the desires of your heart so um 00:18:48.099 --> 00:18:51.259 i think that and and i'm i understand that what 00:18:51.259 --> 00:18:55.759 i'm about to say i have seen i have uh i've seen 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.059 through shara uh listeners if you knew the show 00:18:59.059 --> 00:19:02.519 shares my wife um you're not new to the show 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:04.059 sure if you're not new to the show you knew that 00:19:04.059 --> 00:19:09.000 yeah right yeah sure it's still my wife um so 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:15.230 i have i have seen that some of shara's heart's 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:22.470 desires were only hers that they were not necessarily 00:19:22.470 --> 00:19:26.809 what god wanted for her and again as i mentioned 00:19:26.809 --> 00:19:30.769 you know my heart's desire was was a but god's 00:19:30.769 --> 00:19:33.650 calling on my life was b not to say that those 00:19:33.650 --> 00:19:37.430 two things are irreconcilable but again in the 00:19:37.430 --> 00:19:40.450 way that that that both of us were viewing them 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:44.099 They were only our own heart's desires without 00:19:44.099 --> 00:19:49.279 God's approval, without God's leadership, without 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:55.420 God's – I'm trying to think of the word for it 00:19:55.420 --> 00:19:59.279 – without God being a part of that desire. So 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:04.740 I think Psalm 37 .4. Sylvester, what tweet are 00:20:04.740 --> 00:20:10.799 you at? I think Psalm 37 .4. I think that it, 00:20:10.859 --> 00:20:14.500 I think it's like, I like to, I like to think 00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:17.240 about, and this is the nerd in me, take delight 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:18.880 in the Lord and he will give you desires of your 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:20.700 hearts. Like this is a, it's an if then statement, 00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:23.880 right? It is a, if you take the desire, if you 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:25.579 take delight in the Lord, then he will give you 00:20:25.579 --> 00:20:28.420 the desire, your heart's desires. And I think 00:20:28.420 --> 00:20:31.720 the, the underlying, the underlying truth in 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:38.319 that is that our heart's desires. are to be in 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:43.200 the Lord and he will actually tell our heart 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.259 what some of those desires should in fact be. 00:20:46.420 --> 00:20:52.200 Now, I think, I think that can be very, I think 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.500 that can be some ammunition for a skeptic saying, 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:57.460 so God doesn't want me to be who I want to be. 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:59.539 Actually, there's a large part of that that could 00:20:59.539 --> 00:21:03.579 be true. I even heard Rick Warren say, um, like 00:21:03.579 --> 00:21:13.240 as a guy, And let's go some monitoring for adults 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:15.839 listening to the show right now. If you have 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.279 kids, you might want to just either turn the 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:20.299 volume down, scoop ahead. But I've heard Rick 00:21:20.299 --> 00:21:23.599 Warren say in a past interview that as a guy, 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.500 if he only pays attention to his impulses, then 00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:30.000 he should have sex with every single woman that 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:40.799 he sees. That's wrong, right? Not just in its 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:44.839 own essence, but it goes against, obviously, 00:21:44.859 --> 00:21:48.519 the Lord's will and that kind of thing. So if 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:53.519 we delight in the Lord, then our heart's desire 00:21:53.519 --> 00:22:02.900 will basically be to happily take what he gives 00:22:02.900 --> 00:22:07.380 us. That's the way I kind of take that. Yeah, 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:11.619 so we're saying, maybe I'm putting words in your 00:22:11.619 --> 00:22:15.759 mouth, so maybe I'm saying this. Would you say 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:20.420 that when we're delighting in the Lord, it may 00:22:20.420 --> 00:22:25.000 cause our heart's desire to change? Yeah, it 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.380 might very well. That the thing that we thought 00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:31.339 we wanted, and I guess I would unpack it this 00:22:31.339 --> 00:22:36.990 way. Why do we have desires of our heart? What 00:22:36.990 --> 00:22:39.990 do we think in seeking those that that's going 00:22:39.990 --> 00:22:44.410 to do? What is it going to fulfill? Why do we 00:22:44.410 --> 00:22:49.410 want it? Are you asking rhetorically? Well, I'm 00:22:49.410 --> 00:22:56.589 asking either way. Why did your heart think being 00:22:56.589 --> 00:22:59.269 a professional drummer? Why did it want that? 00:22:59.490 --> 00:23:03.119 Why was that a... Yeah, so... What was it trying 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.359 to do to accomplish via that? Hey, if I'm a professional 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:11.259 drummer... Yeah, I will get everything that I... 00:23:11.259 --> 00:23:16.039 So for me, Brad, it is... And the older that 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:17.920 I've gotten, the more I've been able to kind 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:24.480 of hone in on this. I want to musically express 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:29.539 really myself. I want to musically express... 00:23:30.109 --> 00:23:33.230 how I'm interacting with the music. And I want 00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:36.910 to do that to a large audience partially because 00:23:36.910 --> 00:23:40.069 I enjoy entertaining people in that sense. Um, 00:23:40.269 --> 00:23:47.309 and another part of it is I like music. If you 00:23:47.309 --> 00:23:51.569 do it well, music has the potential, not when 00:23:51.569 --> 00:23:54.130 I say to inspire, I'm not necessarily talking 00:23:54.130 --> 00:23:57.670 about only about, you know, inspiring people 00:23:57.670 --> 00:24:00.559 to go pick up an instrument and, learn how to 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.200 do this themselves, but people that are already 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:05.700 there and that already have skill, it inspires 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:08.220 them. The best way that I've ever heard it put 00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:11.599 is to think about the world or to think about 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:15.559 the way that things could be rather than just 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:21.059 the way things are. So for me, when I, when I 00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:23.500 hear various drummers play, I'm always thinking, 00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:27.400 Ooh, that's a cool idea. Not a fan of that. I 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:30.400 wonder if I could do this, if I, if I could do 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.099 this, how would I do this? There's, you know, 00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:35.940 just interacting with it on such a, on such a 00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:38.359 deep level. I, I want to be able to do that. 00:24:38.900 --> 00:24:43.880 And I also want, I want to, to be able to do 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:47.680 that on a large scale, but I also know Brad, 00:24:47.740 --> 00:24:50.900 which is why I say, you know, which is why I 00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:53.900 mentioned, you know, the schedule that's kept 00:24:53.900 --> 00:24:56.650 and, and, and all that kind of stuff. I also 00:24:56.650 --> 00:24:57.769 know that if you're going to do that on a large 00:24:57.769 --> 00:25:02.150 scale, that it comes at a cost. And the cost 00:25:02.150 --> 00:25:08.049 is at the expense of, like, family. I'm not saying 00:25:08.049 --> 00:25:09.730 that you're not allowed to get married. I mean, 00:25:09.730 --> 00:25:12.130 there's plenty of people that do. And there are 00:25:12.130 --> 00:25:16.250 lots of people who get divorced and remarry and 00:25:16.250 --> 00:25:17.690 get divorced and remarry. And there's a lot of 00:25:17.690 --> 00:25:21.130 people who stay married, you know, and all that 00:25:21.130 --> 00:25:23.849 kind of stuff. But, again, it's the separation. 00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:29.319 It's the, again, being the kind of dad that I 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:33.740 want to be, I know that being able to express 00:25:33.740 --> 00:25:37.200 myself, express my heart's desire in that way 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:46.900 would come at that cost. Yeah. So sometimes God 00:25:46.900 --> 00:25:50.480 leads us away from those things that we desire 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:55.400 because he knows. What they would bring would 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:59.059 not be what we're expecting. I think that's true, 00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:03.059 yeah. I think about, like, growing up, and they 00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:06.740 did a good job on toy commercials. They did a 00:26:06.740 --> 00:26:10.539 good job making us think, I need that toy. And, 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.500 you know, if I get that toy, I'll be happy. You 00:26:14.500 --> 00:26:18.859 know, sometimes as a kid, that toy was the heart's 00:26:18.859 --> 00:26:22.490 desire. Maybe it's a toy your cousin had, you 00:26:22.490 --> 00:26:25.869 know, and it was so, so cool and you wanted it. 00:26:26.069 --> 00:26:30.170 And then you got that toy and it was fun until 00:26:30.170 --> 00:26:34.809 the next commercial came on. And they're like, 00:26:34.910 --> 00:26:37.710 oh, yeah, well, you have this, but do you have 00:26:37.710 --> 00:26:42.089 the accessory pack? Oh. Now that thing that was 00:26:42.089 --> 00:26:46.170 my heart's desire is no longer fulfilling that 00:26:46.170 --> 00:26:47.890 desire. I need something else. I remember they 00:26:47.890 --> 00:26:51.930 had a great commercial back years ago of a guy 00:26:51.930 --> 00:26:56.329 who had a computer. And it was like, he's got 00:26:56.329 --> 00:26:59.769 his computer. It's like. the five S or whatever. 00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:02.829 And he's, he's looking at the billboard and it's 00:27:02.829 --> 00:27:05.569 like five S the newest one. And he's like, yeah, 00:27:05.630 --> 00:27:08.690 he's jamming out. And as he's looking, it's a 00:27:08.690 --> 00:27:11.269 guy on the billboard that puts up six in place 00:27:11.269 --> 00:27:17.589 of the five. And he's like, yeah, now he's, he 00:27:17.589 --> 00:27:22.269 went from jamming to not. And which is, you know, 00:27:22.269 --> 00:27:27.759 it's so human because he was so content. Until 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.099 he found out he didn't have the newest one anymore. 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:36.259 Right. And I think, you know, again, if we're 00:27:36.259 --> 00:27:41.660 delighting in the Lord and God is fulfilling, 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:48.039 you know, that need, those things that we were 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.640 trying to seek to fulfill, if it's being fulfilled 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.710 in God. And I think, yeah, then the desire of 00:27:55.710 --> 00:28:01.269 a heart will change. And then it becomes less 00:28:01.269 --> 00:28:04.869 of a selfish desire and more of a good desire. 00:28:05.569 --> 00:28:09.150 And, you know, I think that's when God wants 00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:13.410 to give us that desire, you know. And again, 00:28:13.450 --> 00:28:18.809 that's not to say that all desires are bad. I 00:28:18.809 --> 00:28:23.559 like... I like what Tony Evans said when he said, 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.140 you know, a lot of times our desires or a lot 00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:31.299 of times sin is our illegitimate way of fulfilling 00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:35.539 a legitimate desire. Right. I think God is wired 00:28:35.539 --> 00:28:39.259 in us. Yeah. That's a good word, dude. To want 00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:43.420 to receive love, to want to. I mean, he's built 00:28:43.420 --> 00:28:47.380 us for community. So we we have a natural desire 00:28:47.380 --> 00:28:51.990 to want to belong. you know, to be loved, to 00:28:51.990 --> 00:28:57.430 belong, these kind of things. And so there's 00:28:57.430 --> 00:29:01.269 nothing wrong with those being fulfilled, but 00:29:01.269 --> 00:29:03.670 oftentimes we try to fulfill them the wrong way. 00:29:04.710 --> 00:29:08.089 You know, we try to do all of these things to 00:29:08.089 --> 00:29:11.329 make ourselves feel loved. And, you know, we 00:29:11.329 --> 00:29:15.349 try to change ourselves to suit other people 00:29:15.349 --> 00:29:18.960 so that we can belong. Because we're afraid that 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.400 we'll be ostracized. I'm going to say things 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.859 that I wouldn't normally say. I'm going to do 00:29:23.859 --> 00:29:29.799 things I wouldn't do so I can fit in. And I think, 00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:35.920 relating back to my heart's desire of playing, 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:41.400 I know that there is an enormous propensity to 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:48.059 do just exactly that in the music industry. And 00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:54.039 I mean, you can rail about it all day long, but 00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:59.079 it's still the reality that it goes on. And understand, 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:04.960 I'm not trying to convolute by insinuating that 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.680 I may fall into that. That's not what I'm talking 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.480 about. But I just know it's very prevalent in 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:17.009 those areas. But what about you, Brad? Like thinking 00:30:17.009 --> 00:30:19.529 about this quote, I'll read it again for our 00:30:19.529 --> 00:30:22.170 listeners. We would never imagine that getting 00:30:22.170 --> 00:30:24.650 our heart's deepest desires might be the worst 00:30:24.650 --> 00:30:28.309 thing to ever happen to us. I started to think 00:30:28.309 --> 00:30:30.769 back on some of the things that I asked God for, 00:30:30.990 --> 00:30:38.109 you know, before. And like if God had have said 00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:42.670 yes, kind of just. with where i am now looking 00:30:42.670 --> 00:30:44.869 at how that would have probably played out yeah 00:30:44.869 --> 00:30:52.650 and i'm glad that he said no you know how many 00:30:52.650 --> 00:30:54.930 you know i think a lot of us have probably been 00:30:54.930 --> 00:30:57.049 in a relationship at some point we're like oh 00:30:57.049 --> 00:31:01.910 lord let this be the one yeah and and then in 00:31:01.910 --> 00:31:05.410 hindsight now i go oh you know So glad that wasn't 00:31:05.410 --> 00:31:08.130 the one. Thank you that you said no. Because 00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:12.910 obviously that would not have worked. And again, 00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:15.970 even that's not a diss to some of those people. 00:31:16.109 --> 00:31:18.930 I mean, it may be to some, but I mean, you know, 00:31:18.930 --> 00:31:21.390 we're saying like, obviously it came out that 00:31:21.390 --> 00:31:24.109 this wasn't the one for me, that we weren't as 00:31:24.109 --> 00:31:27.349 compatible. And I was all up in those emotions. 00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:37.019 So things that I wanted that I didn't get, and 00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:39.079 I look back and I go, if you'd have let me do 00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:40.680 that, I probably would have been cocky about 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.779 it. I'd have been arrogant. And that's not good. 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.980 That wouldn't have led to good things. And one 00:31:50.980 --> 00:31:54.619 of the things for me, I know with this deepest 00:31:54.619 --> 00:32:00.589 desire, I really do fear, Brad, that. As I mentioned, 00:32:00.670 --> 00:32:02.849 I really do fear that my heart would become addicted 00:32:02.849 --> 00:32:07.710 very much. It would idolize the next gig. It 00:32:07.710 --> 00:32:11.049 would idolize the next autograph. It would idolize 00:32:11.049 --> 00:32:14.809 the next location, the next tour. I mean – And 00:32:14.809 --> 00:32:16.930 that's one of the things, too, that I was – when 00:32:16.930 --> 00:32:19.130 you first read the quote that I was kind of thinking 00:32:19.130 --> 00:32:21.609 and wanted to kind of mesh out a little bit was 00:32:21.609 --> 00:32:27.089 when those things become idolatry. Yeah. Right? 00:32:27.210 --> 00:32:31.309 Because – of whatever it was. Because anything 00:32:31.309 --> 00:32:40.390 that comes between you and God is arguably idolatry 00:32:40.390 --> 00:32:42.509 there in itself. I would argue that too, yeah. 00:32:42.990 --> 00:32:48.089 So this thing, which may be a good thing, right? 00:32:48.190 --> 00:32:51.029 Because idols aren't always, they don't always 00:32:51.029 --> 00:32:55.029 start out as bad things. Exactly right. Good 00:32:55.029 --> 00:33:02.940 things take up, Too much. And again, I think 00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:11.259 about the guy who created Big Idea and VeggieTales. 00:33:11.460 --> 00:33:14.119 And right now I can't even think of his name. 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.759 It's not important, but I heard his testimony 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.099 because I don't know if you know this, but Big 00:33:22.099 --> 00:33:24.900 Idea was getting so big that it was starting 00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:28.380 to compete with like. Disney and Pixar and those 00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:30.660 kind of things on the Christian level. There 00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:32.880 were people that were leaving those other companies 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.059 and coming and working for Big Idea. And there 00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:37.640 were people that were saying, oh, this is going 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:43.119 to be the next Disney. It was just huge. And 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.839 then some things happened and they basically 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.539 lost everything. And from the standpoint, it 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:53.700 really wasn't because they were doing stuff wrong. 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.559 Yeah. Matter of fact, if I understand correctly, 00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.059 there were some false allegations about false 00:33:59.059 --> 00:34:03.099 contracts. And, you know, he said, I was listening 00:34:03.099 --> 00:34:08.320 to part of his testimony. Basically, they were 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.320 taking a court and sued. And he's like, and I 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.139 knew we were going to win because we didn't promise 00:34:15.139 --> 00:34:16.820 those things. We didn't say those things. They 00:34:16.820 --> 00:34:19.679 were lies. Yeah. And I knew God was on our side. 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.400 I knew we were going to win. And then we lost. 00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:26.639 And we lost for a great big amount of money, 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:31.260 which basically made them have to sell off every 00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:35.400 big idea. Wow. Or VegTales and stuff. And his 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.940 point was, when God gives you a dream, and then 00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:47.619 God takes away that dream, what do you do? And 00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:49.559 I think he kind of, and it's been a while, but 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:51.619 I think he's kind of alluding to the fact that 00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:58.510 But be careful that that dream doesn't take God's 00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:03.849 place. Because, hey, especially when people are 00:35:03.849 --> 00:35:06.730 whispering in your ear, hey, this is going to 00:35:06.730 --> 00:35:10.570 be the next Disney. This is huge. This is awesome. 00:35:11.210 --> 00:35:19.420 Yeah, how do you ignore that? Right. And again, 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:23.059 I mean, I encourage people to go, again, I can't 00:35:23.059 --> 00:35:26.579 remember his name, but look it up and look up 00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:29.920 his testimony. And there's some videos out there 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.039 of kind of, you know, going through that. But 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.360 I think that's the thing is like God can give 00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.179 us good gifts. And sometimes if we're not careful, 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.300 those good gifts can become idols. And then now 00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:50.010 we're sinning, right? We're worshiping not God, 00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:54.929 not the creator, but the creation. We're worshiping 00:35:54.929 --> 00:35:58.590 these gifts. And I think so much of Gideon, and 00:35:58.590 --> 00:36:00.949 I love the story of Gideon in the Bible, and 00:36:00.949 --> 00:36:04.809 there's great victory in it. But then after the 00:36:04.809 --> 00:36:08.769 victory, they make a golden ephod, which is kind 00:36:08.769 --> 00:36:15.710 of like this fancy dressy thing for a priest 00:36:15.710 --> 00:36:20.679 or whatever to wear. And the Bible says, and 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:25.260 they basically turned it into an idol. And it 00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:27.679 caused them to stumble in many ways. It caused 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.420 Gideon to stumble because of this. When God had 00:36:31.420 --> 00:36:34.099 given them the victory, and here are the spoils, 00:36:34.099 --> 00:36:37.260 which God has given them of the victory. And 00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:39.920 then they take those spoils and create an idol. 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.320 I think about how I was in high school and I 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.840 always and there's still if I'm honest, there's 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.699 still that part of my brain that that wants to. 00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:53.719 And it's probably foolishness to a lot of people 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.500 would mean anything. I've always wanted to be 00:36:55.500 --> 00:37:00.900 able to bench 300 pounds. Really? Yeah. And I've 00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:04.960 got him. I got in my mind. That is, you know, 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.639 no one. that I know doesn't go, oh, that's impressive. 00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:12.500 Yeah. Right? And so that was how I know I would 00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:14.539 have made it. That's how I know that I'm strong, 00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:20.659 all these things. And the last game of my junior 00:37:20.659 --> 00:37:27.219 year, I hurt my wrist. Oh, dude. And, you know, 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:31.780 the most I've ever pressed up was like 225. And 00:37:31.780 --> 00:37:35.019 the last time I tried to press up 225, and this 00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:38.460 is as an adult, my wrist felt like it was about 00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:41.840 to explode. It was like, nope. And on some level, 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:47.219 I go, that was you, right? Because you knew I'd 00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:50.539 be cocky about that. You knew I'd be angry about 00:37:50.539 --> 00:37:52.460 it. And you knew, too, it wouldn't fulfill me 00:37:52.460 --> 00:37:55.360 the way that I think it would. But there's still 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.679 that part of me. Again, I said, like as an adult. 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.179 So I'm like, okay, maybe now I'll be able to 00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:05.460 do. do this. And, you know, hit 225, got back 00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:07.760 to the point where I could hit 225 up. And when 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.079 I did, it's just the pressure to that old injury 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.679 was just like, okay, you're never going to let 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:18.320 me get there. Are you? And, and if honestly, 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:19.739 even I'm sitting here right now, I'm like, well, 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.579 maybe, maybe. And it's, you know, and it's, how 00:38:24.579 --> 00:38:26.800 is it ridiculous? That's a 41 year old guy. I'm 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.380 like, I don't know if I could just lift for, 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.500 if I could just lift 300 pounds, if I just bench 00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:34.480 300 pounds and I have to go, why, why do I want 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:38.179 that? I have thought that Noah or Noah, listen 00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:41.119 to me, Brad, I've thought that same thing. Like, 00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:43.860 why is it? Why does Brad, why does Brad want 00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:47.900 to bench three, 300 pounds? Like, why is it that. 00:38:51.739 --> 00:38:54.639 Why is it that I feel like I need to be validated 00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.340 by not just thousands and thousands of people, 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.699 but also by the level of musicians that I would 00:39:03.699 --> 00:39:06.460 be playing with in front of that size audience? 00:39:07.699 --> 00:39:13.719 And to be quite honest, I – all right, Brad. 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.719 I'm about to put myself on the couch here. You 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.820 got your pen and paper. Always. Always, yeah. 00:39:22.059 --> 00:39:27.559 I think the reason that I feel like I want that 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:35.840 validation is because deep down, I refuse to 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.300 believe that I would be any good as a musician 00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:45.420 unless I'm able to play side by side with those 00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:50.780 guys. Yeah. I think that's what it is. And so 00:39:50.780 --> 00:40:01.119 that's a confidence issue. It's a standard that 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:04.820 I don't believe that I can actually meet until 00:40:04.820 --> 00:40:14.480 I see it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think, 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.599 too, that, again, that God loves us and he's 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.940 a good father and he knows if that's going to 00:40:21.940 --> 00:40:25.860 be something that's bad for us. And he knows, 00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:29.539 too, that it's not going to fulfill us in the 00:40:29.539 --> 00:40:32.739 way. that we think you know i mean we can make 00:40:32.739 --> 00:40:36.300 that with money all day long you know and again 00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:39.199 we we have to have money at some level to survive 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.420 we got to pay our bills we got to eat you know 00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:44.800 money is the system that we do but i think you 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.579 know a lot of us would go if i just have more 00:40:47.579 --> 00:40:50.139 money but you want to hear from rich people when 00:40:50.139 --> 00:40:51.980 i've read about like people like rockefeller 00:40:51.980 --> 00:40:55.179 and all that it's like i think it was rockefeller 00:40:55.179 --> 00:40:59.739 uh whom somebody said you know How much is enough? 00:40:59.900 --> 00:41:04.000 And he said, just one more dollar. It may not 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.639 have been Rockefeller, but you can probably search 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.659 it up. But anyway, one of those really rich, 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.659 barren guys. And two, some of them who just really 00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:14.300 had a change of heart because they got money. 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.960 And they realized that that money was just really 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.480 controlling them. And that's where some of them 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.199 turned into some amazing philanthropists and 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.679 started just spending and giving and supporting. 00:41:28.510 --> 00:41:30.530 I like what Jim Carrey said, and I think it goes 00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:33.929 along with this. I think everybody should get 00:41:33.929 --> 00:41:36.429 rich and famous and do everything they ever dreamed 00:41:36.429 --> 00:41:38.929 of so they can see that it's not the answer. 00:41:39.190 --> 00:41:42.730 I love that quote, dude. I love that quote from 00:41:42.730 --> 00:41:48.650 Jim Carrey. Yeah. Because, you know, and I think 00:41:48.650 --> 00:41:52.590 that's the reality. If God gave us the desire 00:41:52.590 --> 00:41:57.530 of our heart outside of him, we would realize. 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:03.440 It didn't fulfill me. Didn't do what I thought 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.639 it would do. It was cool for a minute, but then 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.579 something else was there. One of the things that's 00:42:09.579 --> 00:42:14.000 really hard, I think, to convey to people about 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:21.519 God's love is this very conversation of, so do 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.480 you know how much God loves you? He is willing 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.750 to change your heart. And change the things that 00:42:27.750 --> 00:42:31.969 you want to the things that he wants. Yeah. Like, 00:42:31.969 --> 00:42:35.329 and I understand fully that what I just said 00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:37.349 in the way that I just said, it makes it sound 00:42:37.349 --> 00:42:42.670 like, like, like God is, is the enemy. Like how 00:42:42.670 --> 00:42:45.150 would, why, why is it okay that he changes what 00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:47.130 I want to what he wants? And I should be okay 00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:51.030 with that because last I checked, I didn't create 00:42:51.030 --> 00:42:58.349 the universe. Last I checked, I, I am not perfect 00:42:58.349 --> 00:43:05.789 love. And last I checked, the joy that I get 00:43:05.789 --> 00:43:10.690 when I teach students, I honestly think, and 00:43:10.690 --> 00:43:13.170 I'm going to say this for the first time in my 00:43:13.170 --> 00:43:16.309 like vocalizing this. I honestly think that the 00:43:16.309 --> 00:43:19.170 joy that I get from teaching my students would 00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:22.269 surpass the joy that I get, the joy that I would 00:43:22.269 --> 00:43:27.369 get from playing for thousands of people. I honestly 00:43:27.369 --> 00:43:31.489 believe that. Again, for me, it's the junk food 00:43:31.489 --> 00:43:38.050 versus steak argument. Yeah. Junk food never 00:43:38.050 --> 00:43:41.190 satiates me. Right. I can eat it and eat it and 00:43:41.190 --> 00:43:43.889 eat it until I get sick. Yeah. But if I go out 00:43:43.889 --> 00:43:47.019 and have a good steak. I don't want to eat anything 00:43:47.019 --> 00:43:50.159 else. Yeah, I don't want dessert. Dude, that's 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.239 a solid word because I'm like you. If I get a 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.320 New York strip, medium rare, 16 ounce with a 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.559 side or two, some bread, like just a typical 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.559 steakhouse meal, I don't ever order dessert because 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.940 I don't want it. I'm way too full, but I have 00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:09.539 been satisfied. Dude, that's a good word, man. 00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:13.099 And I think that the things of God, when we delight 00:44:13.099 --> 00:44:15.179 in the Lord and the gifts that he gives, and 00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:18.099 we receive those things in Thanksgiving, and 00:44:18.099 --> 00:44:25.059 that we're getting a stake. And so sometimes 00:44:25.059 --> 00:44:27.619 we're going, God, why won't you give me the Reese 00:44:27.619 --> 00:44:31.340 cups? Yeah. Is it because I got a stake for you? 00:44:31.579 --> 00:44:34.139 Mm -hmm. And the reality is I want the Reese 00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:37.619 cups until I've had the stake. Yeah. And now 00:44:37.619 --> 00:44:40.170 I don't. But if I have the Reese cup, I just 00:44:40.170 --> 00:44:42.849 want more Reese cup, more Reese cup. It's just 00:44:42.849 --> 00:44:45.670 more and more and more and more and more. And 00:44:45.670 --> 00:44:48.809 I think that's it. You know, there's the quote 00:44:48.809 --> 00:44:52.130 that says the two greatest times in a man's life 00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:54.429 is when he's born and the day he finds out why. 00:44:55.590 --> 00:44:57.210 See, I've heard it. I've heard it that the two 00:44:57.210 --> 00:44:59.530 greatest days in a man's life is the day he buys 00:44:59.530 --> 00:45:02.590 a boat and the day he sells a boat. Yeah, that's 00:45:02.590 --> 00:45:06.289 probably true, too. I'll let you know about the 00:45:06.289 --> 00:45:12.389 latter part. I think I would add more of the 00:45:12.389 --> 00:45:14.469 three, the day he's born, the day he's born again. 00:45:15.449 --> 00:45:19.269 Yeah, right. And maybe that's part of that is 00:45:19.269 --> 00:45:21.570 that he's finding out why in that second one. 00:45:21.829 --> 00:45:25.789 Right, yeah. When we acknowledge that God is 00:45:25.789 --> 00:45:28.550 our creator and he's made us, and he is good, 00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:32.210 and he's made us for good and for good things. 00:45:32.469 --> 00:45:35.929 He's given us things to enjoy. He's made steak 00:45:35.929 --> 00:45:42.880 taste good. He's made the sunshine on a cold 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:49.360 day just warm us up. There's so many good gifts. 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.179 Hugs feel good. He's the author of all these 00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:57.360 things. So one of the things I think of is, and 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.239 I've said this before, the more I lose myself 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.860 in Jesus, the more I find out who I really am. 00:46:04.980 --> 00:46:09.570 So I didn't lose who I was. Actually, I gained 00:46:09.570 --> 00:46:13.110 more of who I was, understood more of who I was, 00:46:13.150 --> 00:46:20.489 that he has made me to know him, the author of 00:46:20.489 --> 00:46:26.849 love and of good, who has no darkness, who there 00:46:26.849 --> 00:46:30.610 is no shifting shadow. He's made me so that I 00:46:30.610 --> 00:46:37.079 could know him and he know me. Give me the desire 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.639 to live eternally with him because he's the author 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:51.300 of joy and happiness. So, yeah, I certainly think 00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:55.239 if I got everything I want that it would be horrible. 00:46:56.239 --> 00:47:00.420 And I see that, if I'm honest, sometimes in people's 00:47:00.420 --> 00:47:06.929 children who they never say no to. Because they're 00:47:06.929 --> 00:47:12.449 not the happiest kids. Right? Our hearts, our 00:47:12.449 --> 00:47:15.369 humanity would lead us to believe that if we 00:47:15.369 --> 00:47:17.590 get everything we want, we'll be happy. We'll 00:47:17.590 --> 00:47:20.349 be happy. But when I see kids that get everything 00:47:20.349 --> 00:47:22.750 they want, they're probably the least happy. 00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:27.789 What do you mean you got me a blue car? I wanted 00:47:27.789 --> 00:47:35.659 a red car. Yeah. I think... And I mean, we we 00:47:35.659 --> 00:47:38.739 we don't actually have time to chase it, but 00:47:38.739 --> 00:47:42.880 the you know, the the false the false truth in 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.099 if I get everything that I want, I'll be happy. 00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:49.400 The false truth is that the wanting will never 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:57.320 stop. Right. And with with Jesus, the wanting 00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.679 still doesn't stop. I like I've heard it said, 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.530 you know, like with Jesus. Jesus will satisfy 00:48:03.530 --> 00:48:08.889 all of your desires, which I fully believe. But 00:48:08.889 --> 00:48:14.570 it's almost sometimes stated in the context or 00:48:14.570 --> 00:48:20.010 in the way where it seems that the message being 00:48:20.010 --> 00:48:24.230 translated is that when you have Jesus, you won't 00:48:24.230 --> 00:48:29.590 want anything else. But again, I think it's back 00:48:29.590 --> 00:48:32.550 to that stake equation, right? If I go out tonight 00:48:32.550 --> 00:48:35.849 and have a good steak, I'm satisfied. That's 00:48:35.849 --> 00:48:39.289 right. When I wake up tomorrow and I start tomorrow, 00:48:39.489 --> 00:48:41.369 I'm not going, well, I ate steak yesterday. I'm 00:48:41.369 --> 00:48:45.329 fine. Yeah, that's exactly right. It's a new 00:48:45.329 --> 00:48:47.949 day. I need to eat again. And I think that's, 00:48:47.949 --> 00:48:50.389 you know, when Jesus says, blessed are those 00:48:50.389 --> 00:48:53.269 who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for 00:48:53.269 --> 00:48:56.849 they shall be satisfied. They'll be filled. I 00:48:56.849 --> 00:48:59.969 think that's a picture. I think there's a reason. 00:49:00.590 --> 00:49:04.170 Right. That he goes hunger and thirst because, 00:49:04.250 --> 00:49:06.530 look, I'm drinking water right now and it's good. 00:49:07.869 --> 00:49:10.210 But if I finish this water and I don't drink 00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:12.869 any for three days, guess what? I won't even 00:49:12.869 --> 00:49:15.690 take that long. But right. Yeah. I'm going to 00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:18.809 be dying and begging for water. Right. And I 00:49:18.809 --> 00:49:20.829 think that's the that's I think that's part of 00:49:20.829 --> 00:49:24.429 the point that I see in that message is hunger 00:49:24.429 --> 00:49:26.309 and thirst after righteousness. And Jesus will 00:49:26.309 --> 00:49:31.280 satisfy you. And do it again tomorrow, and it'll 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:33.719 satisfy you again. Right. And do it again the 00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:36.599 day after that, and it'll satisfy you again. 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:42.199 And he'll, unlike the Reese cups and the gummy 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.880 bears, which will never completely satiate you, 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.760 he will do so again and again and again. So just 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.579 like these desires of our heart that would not 00:49:54.579 --> 00:49:58.989 be good for us, that are always going to, I need 00:49:58.989 --> 00:50:00.730 to be better, I need to do better, I need to 00:50:00.730 --> 00:50:03.469 make more, I need to have more, this, this, this, 00:50:03.469 --> 00:50:06.250 which is just going to make us want more. When 00:50:06.250 --> 00:50:08.789 we find that in Christ, it's going to make us 00:50:08.789 --> 00:50:12.110 want Him more, and then we can be satisfied over 00:50:12.110 --> 00:50:16.289 and over again. I mean, I don't know. That's 00:50:16.289 --> 00:50:21.630 what I think. No, you're exactly right. Thanks. 00:50:22.190 --> 00:50:25.809 You're welcome. All right, listeners, thanks 00:50:25.809 --> 00:50:30.469 for hanging out. Oops. Did you do that? Don't 00:50:30.469 --> 00:50:33.250 worry. I won't let it go to my head. I will not 00:50:33.250 --> 00:50:35.670 let it go to my head. 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