WEBVTT 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:05.860 Welcome, this is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. 00:00:16.699 --> 00:00:19.219 This is the show where brothers -in -law DJ Culp 00:00:19.219 --> 00:00:23.000 and Brad Coleman talk about stuff from our perspective 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.480 as men. It's a show for anyone who wants to hear 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.039 how Christians interact with the world. And don't 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.670 worry, we're real. We've grown up in church, 00:00:31.809 --> 00:00:34.090 and we want to share our experiences with you. 00:00:34.530 --> 00:00:37.990 We'll talk life stuff, church stuff, man stuff, 00:00:38.229 --> 00:00:48.390 and stuff stuff. Here we go. Greetings, listeners 00:00:48.390 --> 00:00:50.530 here and there and everywhere all across the 00:00:50.530 --> 00:00:52.429 land. This is the Men's Church Stuff Podcast. 00:00:53.030 --> 00:00:57.350 I am one of your hosts, DJ Culp. As always, here 00:00:57.350 --> 00:00:59.250 with my beloved brother -in -law, Brad Coleman. 00:01:00.509 --> 00:01:04.549 What's up, man? It is wonderful to see you. Thanks. 00:01:04.870 --> 00:01:08.010 You're welcome. And you guys can see us too. 00:01:08.170 --> 00:01:11.030 That's right. Tune in on our YouTube channel. 00:01:11.189 --> 00:01:13.310 That's right. We do have a YouTube channel. Yeah, 00:01:13.349 --> 00:01:16.969 so listeners, if you haven't caught on yet, we 00:01:16.969 --> 00:01:20.549 do have a YouTube channel. It is youtube .com 00:01:20.549 --> 00:01:24.959 backslash at. like the at symbol men church stuff. 00:01:25.379 --> 00:01:28.319 And that'll take you, we've got, that'll take 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:30.219 you to the channel. I think we've got 22 videos 00:01:30.219 --> 00:01:34.840 now. So slowly but surely I will be, I will be 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:39.019 adding our backlog to YouTube. But we do have 00:01:39.019 --> 00:01:42.540 that up and running. We are not going to do a 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:44.760 dramatic reading. We're going to press pause 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.859 on that because Brad and I, we agree that we 00:01:47.859 --> 00:01:50.439 don't want to do it every single week because 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:53.939 we might just sort of beat it to death. But guys, 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:59.019 keep giving us some song recommendations for 00:01:59.019 --> 00:02:03.900 us to be able to get into our library. And Brad 00:02:03.900 --> 00:02:06.099 can say, oh, DJ, I think that you should do that 00:02:06.099 --> 00:02:08.520 one. And I'll roll my eyes and think, Crap, here 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:14.800 we go. So, yeah. If you go listen to last week's 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:16.919 show, you will get to hear me read, dramatically 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:22.360 read Taylor Swift's Shake It Off. And by the 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.460 end of it, I was really, really done shaking 00:02:24.460 --> 00:02:26.460 it off. Sort of like, Brad, sort of like to me, 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.659 I like to tell my students, because of the late 00:02:29.659 --> 00:02:32.960 90s and early 2000s, I've traded my sorrows. 00:02:32.979 --> 00:02:37.340 I have. I did enough of it. You were shook. I'm 00:02:37.340 --> 00:02:48.740 shook. I'm shook. I shook it off. So, as promised 00:02:48.740 --> 00:02:51.099 from last week, listeners, we are going to continue 00:02:51.099 --> 00:02:52.719 our conversation because I just don't think that 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.500 Brad and I were able to kind of get to a concrete 00:02:57.500 --> 00:03:00.879 point enough that I want to be able to at least 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:03.719 tease out some. However, we are going to start 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:10.379 with... memes with Brad Brad Brad Brad I don't 00:03:10.379 --> 00:03:11.979 have I don't have like a little mixer to where 00:03:11.979 --> 00:03:14.620 I can get like the echo in real time So I gave 00:03:14.620 --> 00:03:18.419 you one Brad All right, so so here's here's here's 00:03:18.419 --> 00:03:20.759 the game. I'm gonna I'm gonna and I'm pretty 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.259 pretty relentless relentless with this, but I'm 00:03:23.259 --> 00:03:28.280 going to Give Brad a meme And he is going to 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:33.039 do a sermon illustration based on the meme. And 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:34.939 for listeners who, if you're new to the show, 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.520 here's the way that I like to do things. I don't 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.740 like to give Brad softball memes. I only gave 00:03:39.740 --> 00:03:42.199 him one last time. And if you want to go back, 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.599 we've got a whole show that's dedicated to it. 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.580 It's called Memes with Brad. Brad? Brab. Memes 00:03:47.580 --> 00:03:52.259 with Brab. You changed my name. Yeah. Could call 00:03:52.259 --> 00:03:54.719 you Bradford. To protect the guilty. I mean, 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:59.000 innocent. But I'm going to throw up a meme that 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.439 will make me laugh or that will make Brad laugh. 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.900 Hopefully it will make you laugh. And then Brad 00:04:04.900 --> 00:04:08.639 has to, as a pastor, like kind of ruin the comedy 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:16.139 and make it a sermon demonstration. Sorry, Brad. 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.459 Stupid pastors ruining everything. Stupid pastors, 00:04:20.459 --> 00:04:26.230 that's right. Ruining all our fun. All right, 00:04:26.230 --> 00:04:37.350 Brad. Meme number one. Here we go. Always remember 00:04:37.350 --> 00:04:41.350 that if you fall, I will pick you up after I 00:04:41.350 --> 00:04:48.769 finish laughing. So for me, and I've been thinking 00:04:48.769 --> 00:04:51.790 about this, and I think I would do this, is Jesus. 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.860 had a sense of humor. Jesus has a sense of humor. 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.680 God has a sense of humor. And I think we forget 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:04.959 that. I think we absolutely just ignore the fact 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:11.180 that God, one, invented laughter. And so I think 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:14.259 there's several times when Jesus probably was 00:05:14.259 --> 00:05:18.540 just kind of laughing at the apostles, kind of 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:20.990 like when you laugh at your kids. And although 00:05:20.990 --> 00:05:22.910 sometimes you may not even do it like, oh, I 00:05:22.910 --> 00:05:26.529 can't laugh at their face. I was just wondering 00:05:26.529 --> 00:05:28.870 how many times he walked around the corner or 00:05:28.870 --> 00:05:31.209 when he's going off to talk to the father, right? 00:05:31.449 --> 00:05:35.490 All right, you guys stay here. That's right. 00:05:37.470 --> 00:05:41.170 Walks off. Did you see that, dude? Did you hear 00:05:41.170 --> 00:05:44.509 that? How ridiculous that was. That's right. 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:50.980 James and John's mom? Oh, my goodness. That's 00:05:50.980 --> 00:05:55.060 right, James and John's mom. Also, somebody always 00:05:55.060 --> 00:05:57.720 pointed out, too, like Jesus is using illustrations, 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.220 right? When he talks about getting the beam out 00:06:00.220 --> 00:06:04.160 of your own eye, there's a splinter. Like, think 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:07.600 about that visually. Yeah. Like, you're just 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:11.060 visualizing a guy with a two -by -four hanging 00:06:11.060 --> 00:06:16.430 out of his eye going, Dude, you got a splinter 00:06:16.430 --> 00:06:18.769 in your eye. I mean, I think there's supposed 00:06:18.769 --> 00:06:22.149 to be some level of humor. But again, we look 00:06:22.149 --> 00:06:24.889 at the natural world. You got farts. You got 00:06:24.889 --> 00:06:26.790 the duck -billed platypus. All of these kind 00:06:26.790 --> 00:06:30.149 of crazy things. So I think that. I was like, 00:06:30.250 --> 00:06:35.990 you know what? God's a good father. And yeah, 00:06:36.389 --> 00:06:38.470 I'm going to help you out. Oh, that's hilarious. 00:06:38.569 --> 00:06:41.870 I'm going to laugh at you. I could totally see 00:06:41.870 --> 00:06:46.360 in my head the angels going, God. What was that 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.420 sound? And God said, well, that's air coming 00:06:49.420 --> 00:06:53.000 out of their butt. Isn't that nasty? Yeah, it 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.959 actually is. But don't worry. They're going to 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.060 think it's hilarious. The gas -powered trumpet 00:06:57.060 --> 00:07:02.639 on the back end. That's right. No, it's going 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:04.620 to be good. It's going to be good. It's going 00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:09.279 to be good. Forever. It's going to be good. It's 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:13.720 a great equalizer. I wonder if every time somebody 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.560 farts and laughs, God cuts his eyes off right 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.939 at the angels and goes, see? It's going to make 00:07:19.939 --> 00:07:23.259 some stuck -in -the -mud people so uncomfortable. 00:07:23.660 --> 00:07:28.120 That's right. It's really going to mess with 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:32.040 the Pharisees. Just wait. Yes, it is. I think 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:35.399 Jesus ever cut one, like, and they're looking 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:39.879 at him like, did you just, like, what? What? 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:47.779 Like you don't? Everybody does. I know for a 00:07:47.779 --> 00:07:49.819 fact. That's the way I designed you. That's right. 00:07:50.899 --> 00:07:57.899 All right, Brad. Next meme. Here we go. All right. 00:07:58.100 --> 00:08:00.879 Nice sign. Next time you're afraid to share ideas, 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:03.759 remember someone once said in a meeting. let's 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:08.079 make a film with a tornado full of sharks brilliant 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:12.660 let me just say the sharknado when i was a youth 00:08:12.660 --> 00:08:16.339 pastor was an unofficial started with i watched 00:08:16.339 --> 00:08:18.980 it with one youth and then after that every shark 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:22.160 week Like for like the first four, because they 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:23.680 would come out with like a new one for every 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:27.740 Shark Week. We would get together and watch the 00:08:27.740 --> 00:08:32.220 Sharknado movies. Did you really? Oh my gosh. 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.240 Again, it was not an official youth group, like 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.899 church sanction activity, but they came over 00:08:39.899 --> 00:08:41.840 to me and Tabby and like we'd get gummy sharks 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.779 and we would just watch the movies and talk about 00:08:45.779 --> 00:08:51.000 their ridiculousness. Where would I go with this? 00:08:51.220 --> 00:08:57.600 Maybe that sometimes, and again, not that God's 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:03.039 sharpnado is this, but sometimes God's way and 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:08.840 God's method seems off to us. Like how Gideon 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:13.259 wins the war. Because really, God wins, but he 00:09:13.259 --> 00:09:15.460 calls Gideon this valiant warrior. All right, 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:17.740 I'm going to take 300 guys, and you're going 00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:22.440 to have a torch in one hand in a pot, and you're 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:24.120 going to have a trumpet in the other, and we're 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.220 all going to surround them all around. And then 00:09:27.220 --> 00:09:29.139 when I give the signal, you're going to bust 00:09:29.139 --> 00:09:34.179 the pot and blow the trumpet. Way to go, Brad. 00:09:34.500 --> 00:09:39.720 Way to go. And it worked! Because God confuses. 00:09:41.049 --> 00:09:43.710 The enemy, they're fighting against themselves. 00:09:43.970 --> 00:09:51.649 Brad, you're a genius. 300 guys. 300 guys. Sharknado 00:09:51.649 --> 00:10:00.149 an entire people. And win. And because, dude, 00:10:00.230 --> 00:10:02.070 you know, I've never thought about this. You 00:10:02.070 --> 00:10:04.809 know, after all that's over with, Gideon and 00:10:04.809 --> 00:10:10.190 his men are going. That worked? Yeah, there's 00:10:10.190 --> 00:10:12.509 some guy going, I didn't think that was going 00:10:12.509 --> 00:10:14.309 to work. I thought we were all going to die. 00:10:14.429 --> 00:10:17.250 That was a dumb idea. I was like, all right, 00:10:17.330 --> 00:10:22.389 God told you to do this. I guess we're going 00:10:22.389 --> 00:10:26.570 to find out. That's right. You know how many 00:10:26.570 --> 00:10:28.889 of those guys are down there, right? Yeah, right. 00:10:29.470 --> 00:10:33.269 What happens when they call our bluff? Oh, that's 00:10:33.269 --> 00:10:36.690 good. Good job, Brad. Well done, man. Yeah. All 00:10:36.690 --> 00:10:39.529 right, let's do one more. Either number 15 or 00:10:39.529 --> 00:10:42.690 number 18. Which one do you want? Oh, let's go 00:10:42.690 --> 00:10:47.730 with 18. 18. Oh, yes. Thank you, Brad. Thank 00:10:47.730 --> 00:10:53.149 you, Brad. I can't put this one on my door, but 00:10:53.149 --> 00:10:58.009 I want you so bad. All right, Jesus. Be kind 00:10:58.009 --> 00:11:00.549 to everyone. Kind of sermon on the mount. Be 00:11:00.549 --> 00:11:04.700 kind to everyone. Wait, even Gary? Yeah, Gary's 00:11:04.700 --> 00:11:08.139 the worst. Look, we've been through this. Yes, 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:13.100 be kind to Gary as well. Ha! Suck it, losers! 00:11:14.460 --> 00:11:31.710 Not now, Gary. I wasn't ready for that. I just 00:11:31.710 --> 00:11:34.429 can't get it out of my mouth. Ladies and gentlemen, 00:11:34.549 --> 00:11:39.269 listeners, please mark your calendars. Like I 00:11:39.269 --> 00:11:43.990 have known Brad for 20 years. I can count probably 00:11:43.990 --> 00:11:46.809 on one hand that I've ever seen Brad tickled 00:11:46.809 --> 00:11:49.549 to where he's like almost belly laughing. It 00:11:49.549 --> 00:11:54.309 took me 88 episodes, but I did it. I'm stuck 00:11:54.309 --> 00:12:04.289 at losers. Not now, Gary. Not now, Gary. Yeah, 00:12:04.409 --> 00:12:06.250 yeah, take it off the screen. Every time I look 00:12:06.250 --> 00:12:14.169 back down, it's like. I think, you know, Jesus 00:12:14.169 --> 00:12:17.429 tells us to love our enemies, one. Right. That's 00:12:17.429 --> 00:12:20.250 the easy one. But, like, he says if you love 00:12:20.250 --> 00:12:23.110 and do good, basically, to only those who do 00:12:23.110 --> 00:12:27.110 good to you, then what good is that? Like, even 00:12:27.110 --> 00:12:29.129 the Pharisees do that. Even the tax collector. 00:12:29.289 --> 00:12:33.090 The IRS guys like each other. Yeah. You know, 00:12:33.090 --> 00:12:36.110 like so like don't act like you're doing something 00:12:36.110 --> 00:12:39.289 when you're you're loving people that love you 00:12:39.289 --> 00:12:43.210 back. Like it's really like love is shown when 00:12:43.210 --> 00:12:45.950 you're loving people that don't love you back. 00:12:46.590 --> 00:12:53.090 I love that, by the way. I'm. That's fantastic. 00:12:57.389 --> 00:13:01.350 But I think that's such. But that's such a good 00:13:01.350 --> 00:13:03.850 point for so much of the scripture, honestly. 00:13:04.169 --> 00:13:08.230 Yeah. Because it's like, okay, do what God says, 00:13:08.409 --> 00:13:11.429 and then people are going to like us and be nice 00:13:11.429 --> 00:13:17.470 to us. No. They hated Jesus. Yeah. Why? Because 00:13:17.470 --> 00:13:22.230 he was hateable? No. They hated the most unhateable 00:13:22.230 --> 00:13:29.220 being man ever. Like, here is the author of love 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:33.340 and grace and laughter. And it's like, you know 00:13:33.340 --> 00:13:37.159 what? Let's crucify him. So you, who are not 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:42.200 the author of love, grace, laughter, we've all 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:46.639 got a little Gary in us. We do. Dude, you're 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:52.429 right. Yes, we do. If they hated Jesus, they're 00:13:52.429 --> 00:13:54.450 definitely going to hate you if you're following 00:13:54.450 --> 00:13:58.450 Jesus. You're not even as good as Jesus. But 00:13:58.450 --> 00:14:04.169 I think, yeah, I'm going to kind of love your 00:14:04.169 --> 00:14:06.309 enemies. I mean, I can also go with, like, I 00:14:06.309 --> 00:14:09.929 think some of the times, like, we want to be 00:14:09.929 --> 00:14:13.190 like, oh, man, if we had all 12 of the apostles 00:14:13.190 --> 00:14:17.169 just come over to church, it would be awesome. 00:14:17.330 --> 00:14:21.309 And I'm like. It would probably be madhouse because 00:14:21.309 --> 00:14:24.870 those guys, like I bet some of the fights and 00:14:24.870 --> 00:14:27.570 some of the disagreements, and we're privy to 00:14:27.570 --> 00:14:30.610 a few of them. I mean, they're hardcore arguing 00:14:30.610 --> 00:14:35.230 which one of them is greatest. Yeah. And they're 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:43.309 all arguing it's them. Yep. And like Paul, Paul 00:14:43.309 --> 00:14:55.580 scolds Peter publicly. I can almost change Gary 00:14:55.580 --> 00:14:59.059 to Peter. That's actually right. You're right. 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:04.019 Suck it, losers. Even Peter. Suck it, losers. 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:11.580 Peter. Not now. Not now. I need you to be a little 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:15.960 more. A little less Simon right now. A little 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:21.860 more. I think that's how. Hey, not now, Simon. 00:15:22.340 --> 00:15:25.879 Yeah, not now. Hey, my name. It is right now. 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:30.100 It is. All right. Well done, Brad. I'm glad that 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:33.279 you got a kick out of it. Yes. That's one. Actually, 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:36.159 Brad. Seriously, that is one of the that has 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:38.740 been one of the hopes for me for a long time. 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.539 I love like when in listeners. I know. I know 00:15:42.539 --> 00:15:44.690 that. Right now it's just kind of testimony. 00:15:45.409 --> 00:15:50.789 But when me, dad, and Brad are fishing, really 00:15:50.789 --> 00:15:54.029 outside of maybe like silly board games like 00:15:54.029 --> 00:16:00.730 Relative Insanity or Pun Intended, something 00:16:00.730 --> 00:16:06.230 like that, those are the times that I see Brad 00:16:06.230 --> 00:16:13.360 like laugh. I mean like really laugh. And I finally 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.659 got you to do that on the show. I've been wanting 00:16:16.659 --> 00:16:22.940 to do that so bad. So and it's and it's not because 00:16:22.940 --> 00:16:25.639 like Brad's a, you know, a killjoy or anything. 00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:30.720 It's when like when when when Brad goes, that's 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.720 a laugh like that. Like that's a that's a that's 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.860 a that's a that's almost like a belly laugh for 00:16:35.860 --> 00:16:38.480 me because I'm I obviously laugh pretty easily. 00:16:38.620 --> 00:16:41.659 Anyways. Here we go. Let's get into the topic. 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.200 Brad, one of the things that I really kind of 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:51.039 wanted to chase in part two dealing with jobs 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.539 and ministry that we were discussing last week 00:16:54.539 --> 00:17:00.539 was this idea that, again, just to kind of rehash 00:17:00.539 --> 00:17:06.180 the epiphany that I had last week was when I 00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:10.599 say the business model. I'm referring more towards 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:16.839 the way that we as as American citizens, Western 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:22.140 citizens experience and are conditioned to thinking 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:26.079 about a job or a career. And the epiphany that 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.279 I had was that in the business model, the individual 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.819 can be replaced. The individual is not important. 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:34.759 Yes, I think that there are like there's a lot 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.839 of people who work with with wonderful folks. 00:17:38.250 --> 00:17:41.190 who deem them important, but a job is a job. 00:17:41.670 --> 00:17:46.029 Like, the way that our economy is set up is based 00:17:46.029 --> 00:17:49.309 upon the product and the consumer base, not the 00:17:49.309 --> 00:17:54.289 person who is doing it, right? I think, for me, 00:17:54.490 --> 00:18:01.190 the artisanship of something has dwindled exponentially 00:18:01.190 --> 00:18:05.930 since long before you and I were born. Don't 00:18:05.930 --> 00:18:08.690 fire the IT guy that wrote the code. Dude, you're 00:18:08.690 --> 00:18:12.430 not wrong, man. It's exactly right. Or have him 00:18:12.430 --> 00:18:14.349 write the code, and now you've got the code, 00:18:14.430 --> 00:18:17.029 then you can fire him. And actually, that happens 00:18:17.029 --> 00:18:19.950 a ton, right? Well, they write those bugs in 00:18:19.950 --> 00:18:22.910 there. Oh, is it not working the way it's supposed 00:18:22.910 --> 00:18:24.450 to? Oh, is it not working? That's right. Am I 00:18:24.450 --> 00:18:25.970 the only one that can get it to work that way? 00:18:27.029 --> 00:18:30.650 Well, you fired me, so if you want to bring it 00:18:30.650 --> 00:18:32.750 back. It's going to cost you twice as much to 00:18:32.750 --> 00:18:35.490 hire me back. And I've heard of that happening. 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:39.220 We're undervaluing people. But again, that's 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:42.119 not the point we're going for. But the idea is 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.339 that the business model is that the individual 00:18:44.339 --> 00:18:50.220 can be replaced. In your experience, have you 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:57.500 ever put or viewed the role of a pastor or the 00:18:57.500 --> 00:19:02.759 role of a minister in the same limelight? And 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:07.559 I'm trying to consolidate. these thoughts to 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.880 like just a single sentence, but have you ever 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:18.720 viewed the role of a pastor in the same way as, 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.039 as you mentioned last week, a McDonald's burger 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.240 flipper or a construction worker or something 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:32.319 like that? Well, and I, here's where it's difficult. 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.619 All right. Because I can't, You don't want to 00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:37.400 over -inflate your own position either, right? 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.299 Because there were pastors that pastored First 00:19:39.299 --> 00:19:42.900 Baptist Murphy before me. If God tarries and 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:45.359 so chooses, there'll be pastors that pastor First 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:51.640 Baptist Murphy after me. So in that sense, like, 00:19:51.700 --> 00:19:58.619 am I replaceable? Well, I mean, there's somebody 00:19:58.619 --> 00:20:03.799 before me, there'll be somebody after me. But 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.240 there's never going to be another me. Right. 00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:11.119 So, again, I'm not just, oh, see, the pastor's 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:12.819 important. I would look at every piece of the 00:20:12.819 --> 00:20:18.619 puzzle of the body, you know, as important. That 00:20:18.619 --> 00:20:23.579 God is putting his church together. So not valuing 00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:27.460 the pastor more than we're valuing the deacon, 00:20:27.500 --> 00:20:30.059 the trustee, the Sunday school teacher, the old 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:32.950 lady that sits in the back. It just loves on 00:20:32.950 --> 00:20:37.829 everybody. And so I think that that's important. 00:20:38.190 --> 00:20:40.150 I think there's things that we can learn from 00:20:40.150 --> 00:20:45.410 the business model as we're doing things. I think 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.009 we often, though, don't even follow the business 00:20:48.009 --> 00:20:51.089 model in business. Not really a good business 00:20:51.089 --> 00:20:55.990 model. Because often the business model is, it 00:20:55.990 --> 00:20:58.789 becomes about the bottom line, right? It becomes 00:20:58.789 --> 00:21:06.059 about... Who are we making happy with money? 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.359 And so we certainly can look at the business 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:14.700 model of, okay, well, who are we supposed to 00:21:14.700 --> 00:21:18.539 be making happy in the church? Jesus, God the 00:21:18.539 --> 00:21:26.680 Father, Holy Spirit, right? So we're doing what 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.630 we're supposed to do to please them. I think 00:21:30.630 --> 00:21:32.490 the problem when we get the business model is 00:21:32.490 --> 00:21:36.230 when we make ourself, again, the recipient of 00:21:36.230 --> 00:21:39.930 who's supposed to be happy in the equation. Like, 00:21:39.990 --> 00:21:43.269 okay, I come to church, make me happy. I come 00:21:43.269 --> 00:21:46.289 to church, fix my problems. Hey, here's my kid, 00:21:46.369 --> 00:21:52.049 youth pastor. Get him saved. So if I can, I want 00:21:52.049 --> 00:21:54.529 to interject and say this. I think what you just 00:21:54.529 --> 00:21:58.430 said is a really good point to consider in this 00:21:58.430 --> 00:22:04.259 discussion. Because, you know, when we take a 00:22:04.259 --> 00:22:10.240 look at not how do pastors view the role of pastors, 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.900 but how does our culture view the role of pastors 00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:15.799 or associate pastors or youth ministers and children, 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:17.740 like whatever the case is, just anybody that's 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:21.839 – anybody that is a servant of the church in 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:24.440 a full -time capacity there. That's a long way 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:26.259 to say employee without saying employee. Yeah, 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:34.130 right, an evangelist. If they view it as here's 00:22:34.130 --> 00:22:38.109 what will make me happy, please do this to make 00:22:38.109 --> 00:22:43.230 me happy, then I would argue that they don't 00:22:43.230 --> 00:22:46.190 view the role of minister as a called position, 00:22:46.369 --> 00:22:50.630 but rather just a position that, again, where 00:22:50.630 --> 00:22:52.869 the individual can be replaced. Look, if you're 00:22:52.869 --> 00:22:54.990 not going to make me happy, we'll find somebody 00:22:54.990 --> 00:23:00.210 who will. What I can't speak to, listeners, if 00:23:00.210 --> 00:23:01.990 you're new to the show, you know, Brad and I, 00:23:02.069 --> 00:23:06.630 we're both Baptists. So I know that in Methodism 00:23:06.630 --> 00:23:11.109 and Catholicism, I would assume in Episcopalianism, 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:14.630 I don't know, maybe even in the Presbyterian 00:23:14.630 --> 00:23:18.750 Church, that they're not really churches, they're 00:23:18.750 --> 00:23:22.430 parishes. And I say churches, not using the same 00:23:22.430 --> 00:23:25.180 definition, but like... you know, they're assigned. 00:23:25.460 --> 00:23:28.519 There's a council that does something and makes 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:33.539 decisions. And I do know that to a certain extent 00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:35.759 in some of them, again, I can't speak to all 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:39.000 of them, but I know in some of them that the 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:45.759 church's outlook, the church's attitude towards 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:50.660 the minister does pull some weight. But again, 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:57.380 in light of that thinking, How then do we relegate 00:23:57.380 --> 00:24:02.400 the, and maybe even better yet, how do we not 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.740 just relegate, but how do we educate the people 00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:11.259 not to consider the role of ministers as a calling? 00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:17.240 But what about just our jobs in general? And 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:22.960 I am not saying God has called me to be a McDonald's 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.099 burger flipper. Because I don't think, I don't, 00:24:26.099 --> 00:24:27.900 I don't, seriously, I've never had a conversation 00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:29.759 with anybody who says God has called me to this 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.940 job. But that doesn't mean that, that doesn't 00:24:32.940 --> 00:24:34.900 mean, I don't think that that doesn't mean it's 00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:39.559 not, it doesn't happen. Right. Because think 00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:42.220 about this. And maybe you're called for something 00:24:42.220 --> 00:24:44.740 not forever, but for a time. Because there's 00:24:44.740 --> 00:24:48.880 definitely seasons of life. So maybe for this 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.519 season of your life, God has called you to be. 00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:56.640 the person that is at the window at some restaurant. 00:24:56.900 --> 00:24:59.119 Maybe you don't even particularly like your job, 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:05.240 but you're really good at just making people's 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.940 day because you smile, because you bless them, 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:15.160 and God uses you. And if your manager goes, you 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.920 know what? I know you hate being on the window, 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.380 but every time you're on the window, Like we 00:25:21.380 --> 00:25:25.140 get less complaints. We get, you know, like people 00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:29.160 are happier. Like it's crazy. Like I thought 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:30.980 it was just a fluke, but I mean, like I've been 00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:33.660 tracking it. Yeah. Like on the days when you're 00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:38.980 on the window. Because God's people should be 00:25:38.980 --> 00:25:41.720 reflecting Christ. Even though you're not at 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.720 the window going, hey, can I talk to you about 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.400 my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ? Right. No, 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:53.069 I would just like my fries. And my coffee. And 00:25:53.069 --> 00:25:56.009 I'm going to be honest with you, Brad. If someone 00:25:56.009 --> 00:25:58.170 were to ask me that, if I were to get a cup of 00:25:58.170 --> 00:25:59.809 coffee and someone were to say, can I talk to 00:25:59.809 --> 00:26:04.329 you about Jesus right now? Like, it'll stun me. 00:26:05.029 --> 00:26:07.269 It will not, like, it's not one of those things 00:26:07.269 --> 00:26:11.710 that even I would expect people to say. So this 00:26:11.710 --> 00:26:14.109 is, and I try to think about this. So I'm an 00:26:14.109 --> 00:26:17.109 introvert, right? I had some people walk up to 00:26:17.109 --> 00:26:20.880 my car once. And like hand me like a little track, 00:26:21.019 --> 00:26:24.839 which is fine. No problem. Right. I'm a bit like, 00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:27.200 okay, one, you caught me off guard. I'm an introvert. 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:29.880 They're like, oh, you know, hey, we're having 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.859 this. Basically, they were having this church 00:26:32.859 --> 00:26:36.059 service in this parking lot, which is fine. Those 00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:40.059 are good things. But they were like. Oh, hey, 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.220 you know, I was like, oh, you know, I really 00:26:42.220 --> 00:26:44.380 appreciate it. And they were trying to tell me 00:26:44.380 --> 00:26:45.720 about it. I was like, well, actually, I'm a Christian, 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.299 you know, I'm a pastor. And they're like, oh, 00:26:47.299 --> 00:26:50.200 yeah, well, you know, well, come join us. No, 00:26:50.339 --> 00:26:53.759 you know, I got to go in here and pick something 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.259 up and get things to do. And again, it was fine. 00:26:57.380 --> 00:27:00.039 I appreciate the invitation. But for me, it was 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:01.759 awkward. It was so awkward because I'm like, 00:27:01.779 --> 00:27:03.500 I don't know what to say. And then I didn't. 00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:05.460 So I think we got to keep that in mind, too, 00:27:05.539 --> 00:27:08.259 that it's OK to be awkward. It's OK to make people, 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.190 you know. Feel awkward. Just be mindful of that. 00:27:11.569 --> 00:27:14.049 Yeah. I mean, the message of the gospel is worth 00:27:14.049 --> 00:27:16.369 having people feel awkward about. I'd much rather 00:27:16.369 --> 00:27:21.150 people come and do that. Just acknowledge that 00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:25.410 and don't go overboard. Don't be too pushy. I 00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:28.230 don't see Jesus being too pushy in his presentation 00:27:28.230 --> 00:27:31.769 of the gospel. When the rich young ruler walks 00:27:31.769 --> 00:27:33.589 off... That's exactly where I was going, man. 00:27:33.630 --> 00:27:36.799 Yes. Jesus is not like, hey! Hey, dude, where 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.519 are you going? Yeah, I haven't told you the whole 00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:41.779 plan of salvation yet. There's more to this. 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:43.900 You misunderstood. What if I help it? Hey, what 00:27:43.900 --> 00:27:49.059 if you follow me and? Yeah, yeah. No, so I think 00:27:49.059 --> 00:27:53.779 that sometimes I will give out these like Gospels 00:27:53.779 --> 00:27:55.359 of John. So sometimes when I'm going through 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.000 the drive -thru, I'll say, hey, can I give you 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:02.339 this? And I've had at least one person say, yeah, 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.359 no, I'm not taking that. I'm like, okay. Okay. 00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:11.079 And I go on. I'm not here to start a war. I just 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:12.779 want to give you the gospel of John. I mean, 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:16.880 like, if you don't want it, then okay. I'm going 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:18.599 to offer it to the person at the next window. 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:27.779 That's right. So, Brad, when... I know, I got 00:28:27.779 --> 00:28:30.180 us off base. Wait, what were we talking about 00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:34.789 again? I'm good at that. When you... We have 00:28:34.789 --> 00:28:37.329 a Bible study on Wednesday night. We're going 00:28:37.329 --> 00:28:42.009 through Jeremiah and we end up in Matthew. Brad, 00:28:42.109 --> 00:28:47.690 when you stop to think about the way people view 00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:56.130 a job or career and the way people view ministers, 00:28:56.410 --> 00:29:07.619 do you see a discrepancy between the two? Yes. 00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:12.579 And I think, again, when you, I think there are 00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:14.859 people, let me use your sister for an example. 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.160 Your sister is an amazing teacher. And I would 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:21.119 argue with anybody that that's her calling in 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:25.480 life. God has called her to teach. I would even 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:28.799 maybe argue that even though she hasn't always 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.529 been here, that like kindergarten. is what God 00:29:31.529 --> 00:29:34.430 made her to do. Dude, she's such a good kindergarten 00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:37.990 teacher. She is. And don't just take my word 00:29:37.990 --> 00:29:40.589 for it. I could get you a list of parents a mile 00:29:40.589 --> 00:29:47.509 long. Yeah. And then I've met teachers that really 00:29:47.509 --> 00:29:51.269 weren't called to teach, you know, for whatever 00:29:51.269 --> 00:29:54.490 reason. Now, those teachers, I think a lot of 00:29:54.490 --> 00:29:56.369 times realize that and go do something else. 00:29:57.970 --> 00:30:02.750 You know, We would hope. Yeah, because sometimes 00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:04.490 they don't, unfortunately. Sometimes they don't, 00:30:04.490 --> 00:30:07.750 man. But I think that's the thing. It's like, 00:30:07.769 --> 00:30:12.630 what has God wired me for? Where has God called 00:30:12.630 --> 00:30:16.869 me? So I believe that you should be praying about 00:30:16.869 --> 00:30:18.950 that all the time. Carrie Beth's getting ready 00:30:18.950 --> 00:30:20.490 to look for a job. She put in an application. 00:30:20.990 --> 00:30:22.849 It's something that I'm going to be encouraging 00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:27.130 her to pray about, you know, and follow God's 00:30:27.130 --> 00:30:29.809 leading. Do I think this first job is probably 00:30:29.809 --> 00:30:33.630 going to be her calling? Right. No. But it might 00:30:33.630 --> 00:30:35.990 be her calling for now. Yeah. You know, in this 00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:41.650 season. And trust me, I worry a lot. So I take 00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:45.569 God up on his offer to pray a lot. So it's like, 00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:48.250 that's my baby. She's going to be working with 00:30:48.250 --> 00:30:50.369 some people. Some of those people are probably 00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:53.329 going to be sleazy at times. I hope not. But 00:30:53.329 --> 00:30:54.890 if she's going to work in the public, she's going 00:30:54.890 --> 00:30:57.880 to run into sleazy people. Yeah. Now, I need 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.420 to pray, one, for God's protection for her. Pray 00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:03.099 that God's going to surround her with people 00:31:03.099 --> 00:31:06.900 that are going to also protect her and watch 00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:09.640 out for her. And also pray for her dad that he 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.859 doesn't, like, kill somebody because I don't 00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:12.960 know where she's going to work. Let's just say 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.000 McDonald's, you know, because somebody threw 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.420 a shake at her. Yeah. Because now I'm, you just 00:31:20.420 --> 00:31:22.400 so, you better hope I wasn't sitting there when 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.599 that happened. I better hope I'm not sitting 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:25.940 there when that happens because I'm going to 00:31:25.940 --> 00:31:29.359 jail. That's right. But you know what? Nobody 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.339 else is going to mess with your McDonald's. They'll 00:31:31.339 --> 00:31:32.940 be like, listen, if there's a beardy guy there, 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:40.559 you better not say anything. So I think we have 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:45.039 to look not just at the position as much as what 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.890 has God called me to do. And God has really called 00:31:49.890 --> 00:31:52.029 us to do. I mentioned this in the last episode 00:31:52.029 --> 00:31:54.769 with my dad. My dad was a middle school janitor. 00:31:55.509 --> 00:31:58.849 And he did great. Whatever we're doing, do it 00:31:58.849 --> 00:32:01.809 as if we're doing it for Jesus, not for people. 00:32:02.369 --> 00:32:07.170 So we're doing the best job. Somebody said, and 00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:09.829 I don't remember who it was, and some people 00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:13.069 say he didn't say it anyway. So I think the quote's 00:32:13.069 --> 00:32:15.269 good. So I'll put it this way. You guys can Google 00:32:15.269 --> 00:32:18.400 it. You don't show yourself to be a Christian 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:22.559 shoemaker by putting little crosses on your shoes. 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.019 Dude, go, Brad. But by making good quality shoes. 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:34.680 Yeah. God wants us to be a reflection of him 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.740 wherever we are. And that doesn't always mean 00:32:38.740 --> 00:32:45.609 that we're actively speaking. I like and I don't 00:32:45.609 --> 00:32:50.869 like the whole if necessary use words. It goes 00:32:50.869 --> 00:32:52.410 throughout the world to preach the gospel if 00:32:52.410 --> 00:32:54.529 necessary use words. It is necessary to use words. 00:32:54.569 --> 00:32:58.589 I've read the book. How can he know if he has 00:32:58.589 --> 00:33:04.410 not heard? That requires words. It's not a book 00:33:04.410 --> 00:33:05.910 of blank pages that you flip through and you 00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:09.569 think, oh my goodness, I'm so inspired. But we 00:33:09.569 --> 00:33:12.579 can be preaching the gospel. Through following 00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:16.660 through in the gospel is what we're doing. I 00:33:16.660 --> 00:33:20.539 think so much that we need to live our lives 00:33:20.539 --> 00:33:27.319 in a way that makes skeptics doubt their unbelief. 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.420 You know, that makes them go, you know what? 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.140 I've met a lot of Christians and I wasn't impressed. 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:39.500 But I ran into that guy down at the coffee shop. 00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:46.220 named Gary. We'll give Gary's a swing. He's learned 00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:51.339 his lesson lately. I was talking to him. He was 00:33:51.339 --> 00:33:53.619 just such a great guy. He was so encouraging. 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.720 He's a Christian. He started talking about Jesus. 00:33:57.140 --> 00:34:01.140 He wasn't weird about it. He just shared with 00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:07.400 me. Some lady dropped her four drinks and he 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.559 just helped her pick them up and then he bought. 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.300 They're replacements, you know, for like, wow, 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:17.360 go Gary. So if there's any Garys, listen, see, 00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:20.079 we love you. You're going to be Christ -like. 00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:25.699 Suck it, losers. Yeah. But I think we look at 00:34:25.699 --> 00:34:29.480 that. Because I got to be careful as a pastor, 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.559 right, that I don't over -inflate my ego. Like, 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.679 well, I'm the pastor. And I like what one pastor 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.340 said. Now, he didn't even like being called pastor. 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:43.739 I'm not going to go that far, but, but his point 00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:46.840 was, and I think there's some meat to it. He's 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.300 like, everybody's like, Oh, Hey, you know, pastor 00:34:49.300 --> 00:34:51.260 Brad, pastor Brad. He's like, I don't go like, 00:34:51.380 --> 00:35:00.880 Hey, Dennis, John, Hey, plumber, Gary. I mean, 00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:03.239 but, but again, for you, you go like, well, Hey, 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:07.960 you know, professor Culp, you know? So again, 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.349 it's, it's not, It's not wrong, but we better 00:35:11.349 --> 00:35:13.690 not get too inflated, right? Even you as a professor, 00:35:13.869 --> 00:35:15.349 you might be like, oh, you guys are all just 00:35:15.349 --> 00:35:17.130 morons. I mean, there are going to be kids that 00:35:17.130 --> 00:35:21.130 come through or adults or young adults who come 00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:22.750 through your classes. They're going to be smarter 00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:25.730 than you. Oh, gosh, yeah, dude. Now, you don't 00:35:25.730 --> 00:35:28.530 want to know that too much at the time. That's 00:35:28.530 --> 00:35:31.150 right. I always have to make sure that they understand. 00:35:31.429 --> 00:35:35.010 I do have the edge on you. Listen, you might 00:35:35.010 --> 00:35:38.690 be smarter than me. But my name is on the door. 00:35:38.889 --> 00:35:43.050 That's right. Not yours. Back off. Now, later 00:35:43.050 --> 00:35:44.829 on down the road, when you're teaching the class 00:35:44.829 --> 00:35:48.030 and I'm taking your class, because, you know, 00:35:48.070 --> 00:35:50.289 you're the expert. Now the roles are reversed. 00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:54.989 But I think for me, more important than looking 00:35:54.989 --> 00:36:01.530 at some of these trying to define X, Y, Z about 00:36:01.530 --> 00:36:04.829 this is that we're looking at that God has called 00:36:04.829 --> 00:36:11.480 us to live in this world. to be the representation, 00:36:12.139 --> 00:36:15.019 the light of the world, the salt and light, which 00:36:15.019 --> 00:36:18.000 is what Jesus is, and so what he commissioned 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:24.000 us to be, to share the good news as we're going. 00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:26.780 And here's one of the beautiful things, too, 00:36:26.860 --> 00:36:29.579 because sometimes life sucks. Sometimes it does. 00:36:30.650 --> 00:36:32.150 Sometimes you're discouraged. Sometimes you're 00:36:32.150 --> 00:36:34.550 depressed. Sometimes everything is going wrong. 00:36:34.969 --> 00:36:37.409 And I think one of the beautiful things about 00:36:37.409 --> 00:36:39.750 the truth of Scripture is sometimes God is using 00:36:39.750 --> 00:36:42.969 you more in those times. And he's definitely 00:36:42.969 --> 00:36:46.909 oftentimes teaching you more. People who have 00:36:46.909 --> 00:36:51.489 become really strong in anything, right? Don't 00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:56.610 become that on vacation while it was so easy. 00:36:57.070 --> 00:36:59.150 You know, I was just laying on the beach and 00:36:59.150 --> 00:37:06.010 I and I became a professional athlete. So, no. 00:37:07.130 --> 00:37:11.869 Like I went through years of grueling sports 00:37:11.869 --> 00:37:16.710 and competition and pain and pain and wins and 00:37:16.710 --> 00:37:22.369 losses. You know, and. Broke this and got my 00:37:22.369 --> 00:37:25.150 tooth knocked out over here. Right now we're 00:37:25.150 --> 00:37:28.329 trying to – I understand that we can only do 00:37:28.329 --> 00:37:31.570 so much, but we're trying to get Noah to understand 00:37:31.570 --> 00:37:38.210 that the greatest hitters in baseball history 00:37:38.210 --> 00:37:45.969 batted, what, 450, which is stupid. You can write 00:37:45.969 --> 00:37:51.039 your ticket anywhere. If you bat 450. Which means 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.300 that less than 50 % of time that you get up to 00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:57.780 bat, you get on base. What the heck? Right. You 00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.159 don't want to go to the dentist at bats 450 in 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.659 root canals. Right? The dentist's ERA. Yeah, 00:38:05.659 --> 00:38:09.420 like, well, 55 % of the time I do these, it doesn't 00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:13.420 go well. I miss. That's a high stat, man. I'm 00:38:13.420 --> 00:38:16.280 coming. Yeah, I get the wrong tooth. I get the 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.960 wrong tooth. I put the Novocaine in your eye. 00:38:22.260 --> 00:38:26.340 But right. So we learn to think that. And I think 00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:28.559 that's a great analogy, though, for life, too. 00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:33.559 Like, my job as pastor is to preach the gospel, 00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:36.820 right? To teach people and preach the Bible. 00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:40.619 This is what God has said. Yeah. You know, some 00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:44.039 sermons, and again, for the glory of God, because 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:48.179 God's word is going to accomplish its work. But 00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:51.739 sometimes it may just be an awesome sermon, and 00:38:51.739 --> 00:38:56.460 God has used it, and it's life -changing. But 00:38:56.460 --> 00:38:57.840 every sermon is probably not going to be that. 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.139 I mean, some people are like, oh, that's a great 00:39:02.139 --> 00:39:04.940 sermon today. They don't always say that. And 00:39:04.940 --> 00:39:07.960 that's okay, because you know what? Sometimes 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.440 it was just okay. But I preached the word. God's 00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.280 word is going to do its thing. Paul was preaching 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.340 for so long, there was a kid who fell asleep 00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:19.420 and fell out of a window and died. I don't think 00:39:19.420 --> 00:39:22.900 I've done that yet. Hopefully I don't, because 00:39:22.900 --> 00:39:32.920 God pulls a miracle. That was a major decline 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:40.110 in his batting average. Ouch. Don't sit in the 00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:42.530 window while I'm preaching. It's my recommendation 00:39:42.530 --> 00:39:47.670 to you. So, Brad, you've already made that segue 00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:55.110 that kind of conjoining the idea of the discrepancy 00:39:55.110 --> 00:39:59.429 of a career versus a minister. I think a major 00:39:59.429 --> 00:40:02.929 part that you were just talking about has to 00:40:02.929 --> 00:40:09.619 do with the false belief that The life of a Christian 00:40:09.619 --> 00:40:17.239 should either a only be cared about more by ministers 00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:22.360 or B, I should demonstrate the life of a Christian 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.519 more in front of ministers. Yes. Oh, gosh. Oh, 00:40:27.619 --> 00:40:29.539 you know, we do a whole show on that one. I know. 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.239 Right. Yeah. Unlike I am not God's police officer. 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.360 He already knows. All right. I'm not whispering 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.920 in his ear. I cursed in front of the pastor. 00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.699 You're lying in church. He's going to tell Jesus 00:40:42.699 --> 00:40:45.400 on me. Jesus already knows. All right, you don't 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.119 need me. He's not going like, all right, Brad, 00:40:47.260 --> 00:40:51.460 give me the scope on all the people. Oh, there's 00:40:51.460 --> 00:40:52.960 somebody new in your town. I didn't know that. 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.079 And listen, I want you to be real. I've had so 00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.840 many of these conversations with people. I appreciate 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.900 if you've got a really foul mouth and you're 00:41:01.900 --> 00:41:06.590 like, out of respect for you, I'm not. Dropping 00:41:06.590 --> 00:41:09.090 the F -bomb every other word. I appreciate that. 00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:12.670 I do. But I don't want you to change who you 00:41:12.670 --> 00:41:15.429 are when I walk up. That makes it uncomfortable 00:41:15.429 --> 00:41:18.329 for me and you. And you. That's exactly right. 00:41:18.329 --> 00:41:19.369 And then you certainly don't want me to hang 00:41:19.369 --> 00:41:23.769 around. Oh, yeah. Hey, nothing like having the 00:41:23.769 --> 00:41:28.449 pastor there. See, so Brad, to me, that means 00:41:28.449 --> 00:41:31.449 that person knows that they're Gary. You know, 00:41:31.469 --> 00:41:34.570 like, suck it, losers. You know, like, whoa, 00:41:34.769 --> 00:41:38.269 back off, man. It's me. I'm going to be me. Maybe 00:41:38.269 --> 00:41:41.909 I shouldn't say this or maybe I should. I got 00:41:41.909 --> 00:41:45.730 mad at the dog this morning because I took the 00:41:45.730 --> 00:41:48.730 dog out twice last night and she peed in the 00:41:48.730 --> 00:41:55.190 floor. Oh, dude. And definitely was angry and 00:41:55.190 --> 00:42:03.179 definitely said a swear word as the pastor. Yeah. 00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:05.579 Not suggesting that that's good and you should 00:42:05.579 --> 00:42:09.699 do that. Right. Not saying, hey, oh, the password 00:42:09.699 --> 00:42:12.119 is okay. No, no, no. If it's wrong for you, it's 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.579 wrong for me. That's it. Yeah, I mean. So it's 00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:16.179 like, well, it's duly wrong for you. I can't 00:42:16.179 --> 00:42:17.860 believe it. We should fire him. Okay. I mean, 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.860 if you're going to fire me over that, I got a 00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:22.420 lot worse things. See, and here's the thing. 00:42:22.420 --> 00:42:24.159 You're right. We can do a whole lot on that. 00:42:24.219 --> 00:42:28.599 But to me, I think that this point. parallels 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.159 not just with with the way we're talking about 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:35.320 but also with occupation but like well you know 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.679 brad you do that oh my gosh you're supposed to 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.059 be closer to god then who me yeah that's not 00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:45.940 the way this works it was right but like it actually 00:42:45.940 --> 00:42:49.739 the the process was that way prior to christ's 00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:55.719 crucifixion and resurrection but now i i i i 00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.019 know there was a mediator Yeah, right. There 00:42:59.019 --> 00:43:02.159 was a Moses. There was a high priest. Yes, the 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:10.079 process of sanctification. There was a veil. 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.440 There was a very thick veil. Yes. But the idea 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.039 nonetheless is, no, we are all held to the exact 00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.860 same standard, not just of living, but of loving 00:43:21.860 --> 00:43:24.880 and, as you mentioned last week, of doing the 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.269 work for Christ. And again, there is, from God's 00:43:29.269 --> 00:43:31.150 standpoint, right? This is not dealing with people. 00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:33.449 This is dealing with God. It says, let few be 00:43:33.449 --> 00:43:35.429 teachers for theirs is a greater condemnation. 00:43:35.510 --> 00:43:38.230 Yeah. Right? Let he who is to serve well as a 00:43:38.230 --> 00:43:44.230 deacon be worthy of double honor. You know, especially, 00:43:44.409 --> 00:43:49.670 you know, if he was, you know, teaching and that 00:43:49.670 --> 00:43:54.280 kind of thing. But, so, yes. There's that accountability. 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:58.139 But that doesn't mean that I'm better than anybody, 00:43:58.340 --> 00:44:01.599 because I'm not. I'm a sinner saved by Jesus 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.320 Christ. My righteousness comes from Christ. Like, 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.619 I'm not going, like, you better believe that 00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:10.280 when I get up to however it's going to work, 00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:16.360 the pearly gates, the standing before God, the 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:21.460 Father, you know, whatever. I'm not going to 00:44:21.460 --> 00:44:30.599 go, hey, I'm Pastor Brad. Nope. Because it's 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.059 not something for me to flout. It is a role that 00:44:35.059 --> 00:44:38.159 God has called me to. And I think, you know, 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:42.739 Paul basically mentions, he's like, look, I didn't 00:44:42.739 --> 00:44:47.179 even choose this. God chose it. Like maybe I 00:44:47.179 --> 00:44:49.869 could. Boast a little bit if I chose it, but 00:44:49.869 --> 00:44:55.150 God told me to, and I'm just being obedient. 00:44:56.050 --> 00:44:57.769 Trust me, sometimes I don't want to be a pastor. 00:44:58.329 --> 00:45:00.889 I love being a pastor, don't get me wrong, but 00:45:00.889 --> 00:45:03.989 sometimes I don't want to. I have never met anybody 00:45:03.989 --> 00:45:09.489 seriously that, I take that back, I've met one 00:45:09.489 --> 00:45:18.190 person that has never said, um that there have 00:45:18.190 --> 00:45:19.989 been days where they've hated what they've done 00:45:19.989 --> 00:45:26.909 I mean like people are stupid and sometimes I'm 00:45:26.909 --> 00:45:29.130 stupid sometimes I'm the people that are stupid 00:45:29.130 --> 00:45:32.429 sometimes I'm Gary man Gary's taking it this 00:45:32.429 --> 00:45:37.369 episode but but all that to say um just to kind 00:45:37.369 --> 00:45:39.289 of just kind of put a nice little tidy bow on 00:45:39.289 --> 00:45:42.130 it Brad that I think it's I think it's really 00:45:42.130 --> 00:45:46.639 important to um to land our playing on on the 00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:52.099 notion that you, Brad, as a pastor, are called 00:45:52.099 --> 00:45:57.280 to do that. And are you called for the rest of 00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.239 your life? I think it is a general assumption 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.019 that if anyone is a pastor, that they are called 00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:06.039 to be pastors the rest of their lives. However, 00:46:06.340 --> 00:46:10.739 it is not that same assumption, I don't think. 00:46:11.449 --> 00:46:13.409 It is not that same assumption, I don't think, 00:46:13.489 --> 00:46:19.170 that all of us as non -pastors, non -full -time 00:46:19.170 --> 00:46:21.929 ministers, or even part -time ministers for that 00:46:21.929 --> 00:46:27.269 matter, but lay people, are not held, or we assume 00:46:27.269 --> 00:46:30.429 that we are not held to the same occupation calling 00:46:30.429 --> 00:46:34.869 for the rest of our lives. And I think the issue 00:46:34.869 --> 00:46:41.809 is, the root of the issue is that And regardless 00:46:41.809 --> 00:46:45.250 of what we are doing, as you mentioned, whatever 00:46:45.250 --> 00:46:48.090 season of life that God has put us in, we are 00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:50.130 to do the work of Christ. What does that look 00:46:50.130 --> 00:46:52.750 like? I can't tell you that because I don't know 00:46:52.750 --> 00:46:55.230 what you do. I mean, I know what you, Brad, do. 00:46:55.590 --> 00:46:58.630 Well, I know what you do in a generic sense. 00:46:59.829 --> 00:47:02.289 Let's hit that for just a second. Okay. Because 00:47:02.289 --> 00:47:06.929 my job is not to just be the only person who's 00:47:06.929 --> 00:47:09.670 sharing the gospel. Right. Right? It's not invite 00:47:09.670 --> 00:47:11.210 people to church. Like, I want you to invite 00:47:11.210 --> 00:47:13.429 people to church. I don't want to hear people 00:47:13.429 --> 00:47:15.969 say, my pastor doesn't want me to invite people 00:47:15.969 --> 00:47:18.849 to church. I want you to invite people to church. 00:47:18.909 --> 00:47:22.429 But I want you to invite people to Jesus. Right? 00:47:22.550 --> 00:47:24.389 Like, I'll be glad to have those conversations 00:47:24.389 --> 00:47:27.869 with them. I'll be glad to, again, preach the 00:47:27.869 --> 00:47:30.349 sermon on Sunday and get into the Bible study. 00:47:30.929 --> 00:47:34.050 But part of my role as pastor is to teach and 00:47:34.050 --> 00:47:38.739 to train the church to be doing that. To be training 00:47:38.739 --> 00:47:42.780 men and women to be making disciples, to be sharing 00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:47.320 the gospel. So my role, in a sense there, is 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.480 to facilitate these things, to raise up the church, 00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:58.579 again, to be training them. So, yeah, I need 00:47:58.579 --> 00:48:01.719 to be doing that too. I need to be sharing the 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:06.840 gospel and practicing what I preach. But again, 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.679 I shouldn't be doing 90 % of the evangelism of 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:15.940 the sharing of the gospel of the ministry. Now, 00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:25.380 hopefully, you know, I'm doing it well. I mean, 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:26.980 I consider what we're doing right now part of 00:48:26.980 --> 00:48:29.760 my ministry, though. Yeah. I consider this ministry, 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:34.969 you know, as we're sharing here. Yeah. We're 00:48:34.969 --> 00:48:37.150 ministering to Gary's all over the world. That's 00:48:37.150 --> 00:48:39.909 right. Including ourselves. Including us. Yeah, 00:48:39.909 --> 00:48:43.829 when we're Gary's. We cannot create a new term, 00:48:43.909 --> 00:48:46.050 though. If we do that, I will apologize to every 00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:48.730 Gary I meet from now on. That's right. I'm sorry. 00:48:48.909 --> 00:48:50.550 We may choose another version. I'm not going 00:48:50.550 --> 00:48:53.610 to use the word. So listeners, we're going to 00:48:53.610 --> 00:48:56.130 create our own little colloquialism right here. 00:48:56.389 --> 00:49:02.179 Don't be a Gary. Jesus loves Gary's too. That's 00:49:02.179 --> 00:49:04.000 right. And when you're a Gary, apologize for 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.760 being Gary. I'll tell you, one of the greatest 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.960 men in my life, I knew him as Pertner, but his 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.559 name was Gary. Gary, nice. And he was, you know, 00:49:12.579 --> 00:49:15.840 I lost one grandfather when my dad was 13, so 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.659 far before I was born. The other one when I was 00:49:17.659 --> 00:49:23.239 five. And so he was the grandfather that I didn't 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:29.150 have. And so, yeah, so one of the most. beloved 00:49:29.150 --> 00:49:32.030 people in my heart's name was Gary. But to me, 00:49:32.050 --> 00:49:34.050 he will always be Pertnert. Shout out to Gary 00:49:34.050 --> 00:49:37.210 Pertnert. That's right. He's home with Jesus 00:49:37.210 --> 00:49:38.730 now. No, no, no. I'm with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:49:38.829 --> 00:49:40.869 And I'm glad to be able to say that because for 00:49:40.869 --> 00:49:45.429 a long time, I prayed for him that he would come 00:49:45.429 --> 00:49:48.230 to Jesus. And thank God that he finally did. 00:49:48.389 --> 00:49:51.309 That's awesome. All right, well, I have to teach 00:49:51.309 --> 00:49:53.570 ready in one minute, so I'm going to be late 00:49:53.570 --> 00:49:56.610 to class. I've got to get to the coffee shop 00:49:56.610 --> 00:50:00.110 for a meeting in 11 minutes. Listeners, we're 00:50:00.110 --> 00:50:02.070 going to land our plane. Thank you so much for 00:50:02.070 --> 00:50:03.690 tuning in and hanging out with us. We hope that 00:50:03.690 --> 00:50:06.469 you enjoyed our show. Always make sure that you 00:50:06.469 --> 00:50:09.329 interact with us. We love the fact that we've 00:50:09.329 --> 00:50:11.690 had more people in the last several weeks reach 00:50:11.690 --> 00:50:15.010 out and start to engage in the show. We want 00:50:15.010 --> 00:50:17.630 more of that. I mean, that's what we're here 00:50:17.630 --> 00:50:20.920 to do. just that that brad and i enjoy the show 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:22.820 but we want we want to hear from you guys we 00:50:22.820 --> 00:50:25.719 want you guys uh we want your input we want um 00:50:26.409 --> 00:50:30.409 Your thoughts and your opinions. And you can 00:50:30.409 --> 00:50:35.010 contact us with our email, menchurchstuff at 00:50:35.010 --> 00:50:38.809 gmail .com. 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Excited about what we're going to do in 00:51:19.949 --> 00:51:23.010 the future. So beyond that, listeners, we love 00:51:23.010 --> 00:51:25.989 you. Brad, love you, buddy. Love you, too. And 00:51:25.989 --> 00:51:29.269 listeners, we will catch you next time. Go be 00:51:29.269 --> 00:51:29.750 his church.