1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,320 Welcome. This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. 2 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,360 This is the show where brothers-in-law DJ Culp and Brad Coleman talk about stuff from 3 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,500 our perspective as men. It's a show for anyone who wants to hear how Christians interact 4 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:32,720 with the world. And don't worry, we're real. We've grown up in church and we want to share 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:39,520 our experiences with you. We'll talk life stuff, church stuff, man stuff, and stuff 6 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:46,440 stuff. Here we go. 7 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:54,200 Greetings. Welcome back listeners here and there and everywhere all across the land. 8 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,000 This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. I'm one of your hosts, DJ Culp, as always here 9 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,760 with my beloved brother-in-law, Brad Coleman. Brad, the last time you and I were hanging 10 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,360 out together, we were both feeling like we got hit by dump trucks. 11 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,400 It was pretty bad. Did not go as planned. 12 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:22,360 No, it wasn't even close. So listeners, first of all, happy new year. We're back at it 13 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:28,440 now. Happy new year. So sorry that we have not had an episode out for you guys in the 14 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:39,920 last two weeks. Christmas, just as a point of update, Christmas did not even remotely 15 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:50,600 go the way that Brad and I had shared with you guys. I felt just good enough to be able 16 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:56,720 to go over to my parents' house where Brad and Tabitha and the kids were. And I guess 17 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:02,280 we hung out there for just a couple hours, made it through unwrapping Christmas presents 18 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:10,240 and eating some dinner. We talked a little bit and then we went home. On Christmas Eve, 19 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:22,440 the flu visited the Culp household and we were out for a week and a half. So when we 20 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,720 came over to mom and dad's house, what was it exactly, Brad, that you were dealing with? 21 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,600 I had a sinus infection. 22 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,640 You had a sinus infection because I never found out. 23 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:37,320 Yeah, we were pretty sure it was because we had gotten a lot of toys that came out of 24 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:45,920 an attic. I'm going to have to learn when we're doing that because of my sinus surgery, 25 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:52,480 I breathe really well. Well, because of my sinus surgery, I breathe in really well. So 26 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:58,920 I'm a lot more susceptible now to that dust and stuff that may be in the attic coming 27 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:04,120 off these things. We had to clean these toys quite a bit. And so we didn't even think about 28 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:10,200 it. And so we think it just kind of set up an infection. So a couple days after that, 29 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:18,280 I went to an urgent care down there. They gave me a steroid, they call it a sinus cocktail 30 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,280 shot. 31 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Yeah, right. I've had them. 32 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:29,120 And it cleared my head up and they put me on an antibiotic for 10 days. And so yeah, 33 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:36,280 it was just a sinus infection, but it just made me feel just awful. And so I ate a few 34 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,400 bites of dinner and then I went to bed. I feel horrible for doing it, but I was like... 35 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,560 I mean, you don't have to apologize to me, man. It was everything I could do on Christmas 36 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:53,520 morning to keep my eyes open for about 45 minutes or what felt like 45 minutes. I mean, 37 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:59,920 I had a temperature, I'm guessing I had a temperature around 100 and 102 on Christmas 38 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:07,240 morning. So as the kids were opening their stuff, I mean, it was, again, I was just trying 39 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,720 to keep my eyes open. On Christmas morning, it's the first time in my life this has ever 40 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:20,320 happened, Brad, that I just actually wanted to go to bed. I would have been okay. Obviously, 41 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:26,800 not really, but I just felt that crappy. But I was thinking, if we open presents later, 42 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,000 I'd be fine with that. I just need to go to bed. But once Tylenol kicked in and brought 43 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:46,200 my fever down, I felt better. So that evening, I was just so out of it that we were... I 44 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:53,680 don't even know if I was done eating or where I was in the process of the meal, but I looked 45 00:04:53,680 --> 00:05:03,160 up and you were gone. Seriously, I had no idea you even left the room. So listeners, 46 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,520 the whole buildup before Christmas that Brad and I were gonna play lots and lots of Rail 47 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:16,360 Baron, that did not happen. We got to spend just a handful of hours, which was better 48 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,880 than nothing, might I add, by the way. Yeah, yeah. And the time we had was good. 49 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:29,920 It was. See the kids being excited and getting to spend a little time. But yeah, definitely, 50 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:36,560 yeah, it wasn't our best. No. And I don't know about you guys, I don't 51 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:46,360 remember, but Brad, this is our very first and I hope last sick Christmas. So Addie had 52 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:52,400 the flu, gave it to me, I gave it to Shara. I had it the worst out of everybody. Shara 53 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:59,440 had a really light case of it, but I mean, she still had some fatigue, some body aches. 54 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:07,440 And Shara gave it to Zoe. Out of the five of us, Noah was the only one to avoid anything. 55 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,720 I have no earthly idea how he did. But I do want to say this, and I mean, like on the 56 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:21,360 podcast, let it be known, there is power in prayer, Brad. Based upon how I felt the day 57 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:26,680 before and how I felt not just the day after Christmas, but like two and three days after 58 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Christmas. I was, you know, not well, I'll put it that way, in the bathroom on Christmas 59 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:46,280 morning. And I heard Noah praying, Dear God, please don't let daddy get sick anymore so 60 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:53,080 that we can open our Christmas presents. And I did not get sick again. And then he prayed 61 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:59,720 later on that day, Dear God, please help us to go to Nana and Papa's house so that we 62 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:07,160 could see Nana and Papa and Uncle B and Aunt Babby and Carrie, Beth and Isaiah and Hannah. 63 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:16,720 And I felt better. Like, seriously, based upon how I felt the day after Christmas. And 64 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,200 I know that we came and saw you guys the day after Christmas, but like, I guess I should 65 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:28,000 say Christmas day and then like two days after. So that one day that you get that that we 66 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,640 were going to spend with you guys anyways, was the only day that I actually felt good 67 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,040 enough to get out and about that right there. I 100% attest to Noah's prayer, 100%. 68 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,960 In the faith of a child. 69 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:47,000 Oh, I it was in it was amazing. So. So yeah, listeners, sorry, but we are back at it now. 70 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:56,560 I'm sorry that we've kind of been been absent. And to that point, Brad, let's go ahead and 71 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:05,120 let's get some coffee time going on. Coffee time! Let me cue the music. So as you guys 72 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,720 are regulars are well aware that here in Jackson, Tennessee, we have a collaboration with the 73 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Green Frog Coffee Company. They are a Christian coffee house. They have a menu that would 74 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,620 make you think that they're a restaurant. When in actuality, they are coffee house that 75 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:27,980 simply sell food. Their food is excellent. Brad, I did not know that you could put blackberry 76 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:38,160 on a hamburger. Dude, it is stellar. So good. And yeah, hand dipped ice cream. They do they 77 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:47,080 do a full full array of coffee and specialty drinks. So our our code word to get you $2 78 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:53,760 off for Monday, let me let me get the date right. Here we go. Oh, I can't do it that 79 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:02,640 way. What's the what's Monday? Martin Luther King. I know that Monday, January 20. There 80 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:10,640 we go. Monday, January 20. The code word is New Year. N-E-W-Y-E-A-R New Year. Tell them 81 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:16,200 with the Men's Church Men's Church Stuff podcast, code word to New Year will get you $2 off 82 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:24,080 in store and online all the live long day. Where built on Christian values, where their 83 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,340 coffee is so good that even a snowman would drink it. And actually, that's the reason 84 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:32,500 that we didn't get now. Now I say that's the reason that we didn't get a show out this 85 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:40,600 past week is because the snow hit and I can't really record at home because my children. 86 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,640 Well it's you would hear you would hear kids lots and lots and lots of kids and thumping 87 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:50,240 and running and jumping and screaming and you know, all that kind of fun stuff. So we 88 00:09:50,240 --> 00:10:00,280 avoid the whole thing. So today, Brad, it is a listener special. As I mentioned several 89 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,760 weeks ago that we had a chat of end of year reflections. What are some of your favorite 90 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,160 Men's Church Stuff moments from the 2024 year? And as promised to the listeners that that 91 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,760 responded, we'll give you a shout out and and let let other listeners know what you 92 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:23,160 had to say. So the first person, Brad, was actually your wife, my sister. Shout out to 93 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,760 Tabitha Coleman. I almost said Tabitha Culp. Tabitha Coleman. She hadn't been Culp for 94 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:35,120 a while. Her favorite moment was the slideshow presentation from DJ students. That was pretty 95 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:42,520 epic. That was a big one. No doubt. It is it is a it's still like a thing around around 96 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:49,760 here at Union, Brad. And might I add, I found out unbeknownst to me, no joke, I found out 97 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,240 that one of the students that headed that up is actually still collecting quotes. And 98 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:01,240 I have I have actually heard these some of the additions. So if you want, Brad, I'll 99 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,880 be happy like maybe at maybe towards the end of the semester. If you want, I can give you 100 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:12,520 an update on that if you think we should definitely do around around to let me tell you something 101 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:19,600 funny about about, you know, your professor at Union. Yeah. So Carrie Beth is, you know, 102 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,840 she's a sophomore in high school. She's starting to really think about those things. And she 103 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,600 was leaning toward Eastern. And now she's like, I don't know. Yeah. She's like, hey, 104 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:34,840 I was talking to a friend who's who's in like college. And she was like, well, she visited 105 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:40,200 this university down in Tennessee that she really liked. She didn't go there. And I and 106 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,840 I know all the situation. Right. So I was like, yeah, that's a union. She visited the 107 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:53,600 union. I know that's where your uncle DJ is a professor. Right. He was like, really? 108 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:59,320 That's awesome. Yes, I do. There. I was like, yeah, I was like, you should totally go to 109 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Union and then yes, you should. You know, what did you do in class? She was like, yeah, 110 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,240 I don't think that I would like having a DJ in class. Actually, she would not have me 111 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,920 in class unless she was a music major. And then she would have me in class. And I would 112 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:19,680 love having her in class. Not because she's my niece. I listeners, I love teasing Carrie 113 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:29,080 Beth. It is one of it is one of my favorite things. So, yeah, I was like it was it was 114 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:38,800 a interesting awakening for her. Oh, that's where that's where he teaches. That's fine. 115 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:46,000 That's the one. So our next listener here, Mr. Joey Moore. Shout out to Joey. Glad that 116 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,720 you're a listener of the show, Joey. So Joey's a fantastic trumpet player here in Jackson, 117 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,840 Tennessee. I've known I've known Joey for several years. He was an adjunct here at Union 118 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:06,800 for a time. But Joey Brad has has really fallen in love with the show because as he as he 119 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,600 put here, because Brad of the way that you share the good news of Jesus, and he actually 120 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:18,720 specified any time Brad shares the good news of Jesus. So you are you are having impact, 121 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,200 sir. We, Brad, Joey and I had had had coffee at the end of last semester. And we just he 122 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:29,920 just wanted to talk about the show and kind of give me his his experience, his testimony 123 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:37,880 kind of thing. Really great guy. But he really, really loves your insight, Brad, as do I. 124 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:46,800 I mean, love hearing you talk, man. Well, you know, when the subject matter is like, 125 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:55,480 you know, the most amazing thing ever, ever. It's it's harder to miss on that, you know. 126 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:04,800 Yeah. I mean, the greatest, greatest gift of all the source of love, our God who loves 127 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:12,400 us and wants to save us from ourselves. Yeah. Wants us to be sons and daughters of God and 128 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,080 wants to take his enemies and make them not just his friends, but again, just sons and 129 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:24,560 daughters. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's hard not to, you know, it's like if I was a diamond 130 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:31,320 salesman and you were selling paper clips, you know, I would people probably be more 131 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,880 excited when I when I showed up, especially if I was giving out free samples. Yeah. Which 132 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,880 doesn't happen, by the way. Yeah. Right. And the gospel is so much better than than diamonds 133 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:49,560 and gold. And so and paper clips. Yeah. Definitely way better than even better than diamond paper 134 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:59,040 clips. Diamond paper clips. All right. Kathy Reader, wife of of faithful listener, John 135 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:05,560 Reader. John, what's up, man? Kathy Reader simply wrote, I love hearing the two of you 136 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:14,260 banter back and forth. That's good. There's a lot of that. There's a lot. All right. Brad, 137 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:17,920 one of the things and I and he recently I've had several conversations in the last probably 138 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:23,040 three or four months. I've had several conversations about, you know, me and you. And the thing 139 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:32,840 I love about you, man, like by relation, you are my brother in law. Yeah. Dude, you're my 140 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:42,160 bro. Like you are really my brother. Yeah. I mean, it's I love that our friendship is 141 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:48,300 way more than just than just, you know, we're friendly and you're married to my sister, 142 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:59,940 you know. And what's cool is it really has evolved. I don't know how to say it. It really, 143 00:15:59,940 --> 00:16:07,440 I think surprisingly to me, it almost evolved sort of out of nowhere. So when when you were 144 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,380 still working at Walgreens and dad was at Walgreens and me and Cher would come visit, 145 00:16:12,380 --> 00:16:18,420 I remember one night specifically you and dad and I think you were toying with the idea 146 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:21,380 of ministry, but you and dad were talking in the living room and I was sitting there 147 00:16:21,380 --> 00:16:29,480 too. And I remember thinking I have nothing to say right now. Like, I mean, there's nothing 148 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:38,780 that I can really contribute that would deepen the conversation. And what's and I'm just 149 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:44,700 going to say it, man, at that point in time, when you and dad were were really starting 150 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:53,980 to to connect, there was a point in time where I was actually jealous. And I mean, it's like, 151 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:57,800 I loved you. It's not like I held you in contempt. You know, I mean, it's not it's when anything 152 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:10,900 like that. But as as as like time progressed, really just kind of out of nowhere. You and 153 00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:15,900 I just started really getting close. And I I did I love you with all my heart, man, I 154 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:22,060 really do. So yeah, well, and I love you. And I think that the great thing I think about 155 00:17:22,060 --> 00:17:28,100 us is we do have so much in common. And at the same time, we're polar opposites over 156 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:38,580 in so many in so many ways. But that works. Yeah. And I think that we don't let our differences 157 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:45,460 like separate us. And then we you know, again, we laugh about it. We tease each other about 158 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:52,620 it. And those things. So yeah, I think too that that our relationship as we've recorded 159 00:17:52,620 --> 00:17:59,560 the podcast, I think we've, you know, we've got closer and and just just developed a closer 160 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,660 friendship and brotherhood, you know, through this, as we're getting to know each other 161 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:07,020 better. And that's one of the things I guess we're we're kind of getting to know each 162 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:11,860 other better. And we're talking about stuff. And we're bringing other people along. Like, 163 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:19,820 yeah, we want to come to our little little sitcom and their nonsense and write in the 164 00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:26,980 gospel and the gospel. Yeah, awesomeness and some really bad punny jokes. Bad, bad, bad 165 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:36,660 jokes. So I listeners really far and wide. We we love you. We really do. And we are we 166 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:42,660 are thoroughly honored that you tune into the show. But I really want to call this the 167 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:52,460 way it is. Whether you listen to the show or not. Brad and I, like we really did feel 168 00:18:52,460 --> 00:19:00,140 that we had some things that we could that we could share that would edify men, women, 169 00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:08,500 women, pastors, churchgoers. But I mean, really, when it boils down to it, this is really an 170 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:15,740 opportunity for me and Brad just hang out some more. And and I'm sure that it's probably 171 00:19:15,740 --> 00:19:24,860 been said at some point in the show. But how Brad and I talk when we record podcasts like, 172 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:29,820 dude, that's how we talk in the boat fishing. That's how we talk about. That's how we talk. 173 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:35,460 You know, around around a game of Rail Baron or just shooting the breeze, sipping coffee. 174 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:39,180 That's what Tabby said. She said every time I listen to the podcast, it's just like so 175 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:44,100 much you guys in a room. Yeah, right. I mean, we're not changing anything. You know, I mean, 176 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:48,780 there might be a format, but it's this is just me and Brad talking. This is how it works. 177 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:52,900 You know, when we're talking on the boat, we don't go well listeners. That's true. We 178 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:58,540 don't use the word listeners. That's true. That's right. Hey, fishies. Hey, fishies. 179 00:19:58,540 --> 00:20:04,140 Are you listening to our conversation? Here. Here you hear you. That's right. She can't 180 00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:11,900 check us out in the boat. So last the last one. And I'm so glad that that he that he 181 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:18,740 commented Steve Chappie is Chappie. There's Brad, there's going to come a day where where 182 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:22,260 Sharon and I and the kids are going to make it up to St. Louis and I'm going to meet Chappie. 183 00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:30,820 I have like, yeah, he's awesome. He's an awesome guy. Chappie so bad because it's like to me, 184 00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:35,660 his name is Chappie. I know that everybody calls him Steve. Not to me. And I want to 185 00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:43,100 meet a man named Chappie so bad. I don't know why. But anyways, you won't be disappointed. 186 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:51,420 Yeah. Well, good. So Chappie Chappie comments. Merry Christmas to you and your family. All 187 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:55,340 your chat with you and Pastor Brad are awesome. Just keep up the good work and spread the word. 188 00:20:55,340 --> 00:21:03,540 God bless. And, you know, one of the things that that we are as Christians that we are 189 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:15,180 challenged and obliged to do, charged to do is to is to take the word and share it in. This is my 190 00:21:15,180 --> 00:21:20,700 own take, Brad. So like, I'm not going to say this is theologically sound. But anytime that I think 191 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:26,140 about like when when Jesus tells Peter, you know, you're a fisherman, I'm going to make you a 192 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:31,780 fisher of men. I have always like the older that I've gotten, I should say, I shouldn't use the 193 00:21:31,780 --> 00:21:40,540 word always. But as I've gotten older and reflected on that, I really I really feel that thinking and 194 00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:45,500 reflecting on fishing. Actually, I was talking about that talking about that this morning in 195 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:51,660 one of the music ed classes I was I was teaching if you claim to be a bass fisherman, you don't 196 00:21:51,660 --> 00:21:56,780 catch anything else. I mean, I suppose you might by accident. But I mean, you're not fishing for 197 00:21:56,780 --> 00:22:02,940 catfish or brim. You're only fishing for bass. Right. And if you fish for catfish, specifically 198 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:07,660 with a Brad fishes for catfish, you ain't going to catch anything unless it's the kind of catfish 199 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:13,060 that you really want to catch. That's right. Even the small catfish are out. Yeah, they're out. 200 00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:17,300 It's like, man, I mean, that looks tasty. But I don't have I don't have the stomach for that. 201 00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:28,420 But anyways, to me, when when I reflect on on our show, and on other podcasts, and how, you know, 202 00:22:28,420 --> 00:22:37,540 how, how, how Christ lives in me, and, and, you know, how he has, how he has built me and made me 203 00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:43,940 and wired me. I think I think just, you know, spread the good word, or keep up the good work 204 00:22:43,940 --> 00:22:52,500 and spread the spread the good word, like, I just feel that the way that you and I share the gospel, 205 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:58,340 and this goes to what you were saying earlier, is so different. But it's the same message. Right. 206 00:22:58,340 --> 00:23:07,540 And into that, to that I really love, I love hearing how I think if I were if I were to make 207 00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:13,780 a comparison about how you and I think about think about Christ and the Holy Spirit, and how 208 00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:22,580 we convey that and relay that information. yours is absolutely the way a 209 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:33,700 pastor thinks, because you are one. And I one of the one of the other things that I love so much 210 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:40,260 about about the way that you think about Jesus is not as a pastor, but just as, as a, or even a 211 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:46,260 theologian or somebody thinking about theology and doctrine. I just think like I love how it's very 212 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:57,300 down to earth. It's poignant. And it's a it's it's it's applicable. I think for me, I'd like to hear 213 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:03,140 you on this, you know, in terms of comparison between me and you. I think, for me, I'm always 214 00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:09,940 in search of the practicality and the and the application. I heard it put this morning, like, 215 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:16,340 making something abstract concrete is something I'm always in search of. What do you think? 216 00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:22,500 Right. Yeah, I mean, I could definitely see that as something that of you. And again, you're 217 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:31,060 we've talked about this before you you have a sense of precision. Right. This and 218 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:44,900 this and precise is that a word? It is. Yes. Yeah. You know, and you like pump and circumstance. 219 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:54,980 I do. I do like. I'm not pompous though, am I? No. I mean, no, I mean, like in general, no. 220 00:24:54,980 --> 00:25:06,260 But I do like pump. Yeah. You're right about that. But so like, I don't know if you've thought about 221 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:12,580 like the marriage supper of the lamb. Right. Like so the revelation talks about, you know, 222 00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:20,900 this great feast marriage supper of the lamb that. Yeah. You know, and so I don't know how you 223 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:27,780 envision that. But I think it probably is very different from what would be important for me 224 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:32,100 with that, just with some of the things that we've talked about, the way we look at 225 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:38,900 at fancy and. Yeah, right. And all that. I mean, he's not going to have ramen there, 226 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:43,860 if that's what you're thinking. You know, I don't know. And at the end of the day, 227 00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:50,980 it's ramen and chef boyardee, baby. That's how Jesus. I don't care throwing out the little Caesars. 228 00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:58,020 No, I'm out. Like you can be out because they're not trying to jab you, but I'm not there for the 229 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:04,660 food. I mean, that's true. You're right. And I wouldn't be here. So I really don't see Jesus 230 00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:08,340 saying, welcome to heaven. All that you could ever want is here. And here's a little Caesar. 231 00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:13,940 You know, like, I just don't think that's going to go down. At least not for you. 232 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:14,740 That's right. 233 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:22,820 DJ, here is this huge fancy. There's a different fork for everything. 234 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:28,260 I just want you to know this has made my job so easy. I'm so glad you're here. 235 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:32,980 You know, Brad, here's your table over here. It's just going to be me and you sitting there. 236 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:38,580 Got you some little Caesars and a jalapeno cheddar dipper. And I'm like, love you so much, God. 237 00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:41,380 That's hilarious, man. 238 00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:47,940 You get me. Yeah, you get me. You get me. This is the best. 239 00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:56,100 But I think so, again, I think that comes out in a lot of, a lot of 240 00:26:56,100 --> 00:27:02,660 the way that we think about other things. And it's not that either one is right or wrong. 241 00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:13,460 It's just different. We both love Jesus. So we share the gospel, that's going to come out. 242 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:23,700 We share His love. But the way that we are looking at some things is different. So we're 243 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:31,620 going to get a different perspective. And God is so big that we can't even 244 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:44,980 imagine really defining Him in His entirety, anywhere close. I mean, not even His shadow, 245 00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:52,420 like the complexity of God. So I think that's the beautiful thing too about how we're the 246 00:27:52,420 --> 00:28:03,700 body of Christ. So we're going to be serving the same God, receiving the same gospel, 247 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:17,060 who receiving the same gospel, but it's personal at the same time. So my relationship with Christ 248 00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:27,380 and your relationship with Christ, have the gift by the fact that Jesus died for us on the cross, 249 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:34,740 you rose again, and the faith that we have put in Him, we've accepted His invitation. 250 00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:40,420 Right? So we have the same gospel. We're going to go to heaven and be received because of Jesus, 251 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:47,380 what He's done. Right? So the same reason. We haven't earned it. But yeah, our lives are 252 00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:56,100 very different. Okay, there's a guy that goes to my church who was telling me like, he's a construction 253 00:28:56,100 --> 00:29:03,940 worker, you know, big beard, but he's like, you know, I just find it like bikers, these big tough 254 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:09,060 biker guys, he's like, I just find it easy to talk to them, and they find it easy to talk to me. 255 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:18,100 And I'm just thinking like, those are guys that would probably never, most of them, 256 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:21,780 be having a conversation with me. I don't know, dude, with that, like, 257 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:24,500 I know I have the beard. I mean, you got the burly beard, especially. 258 00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:28,340 Yes, but then I'd open my mouth. That's true. 259 00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:39,300 You guys like Mario or Sonic better? And maybe I'm making some wrong assumptions. Maybe they'd be 260 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:45,220 like, I'm a Luigi guy myself. That's right. Yeah. I mean, haven't you seen Tangled? I mean, 261 00:29:45,220 --> 00:29:50,180 there's that whole situation of all the rough guys. I mean, they've all got dreams. 262 00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:57,220 That's right. Yes, it is. For me, that's probably the best part of that movie. 263 00:29:57,220 --> 00:30:06,020 Yeah. But right. Well, you never judge a book by its cover. But my point is, there's people 264 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,540 that I'll be able to connect with because of my personality, because of these things, 265 00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:16,260 and be able to share the gospel that you want, and vice versa. 266 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,660 And vice versa. Yeah. And so, 267 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:24,900 I think that's one of the beautiful things about our relationship with Christ. 268 00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:35,140 Just think about the woman at the well who gets it, and her story as she goes and shares, versus 269 00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:42,420 Mary Magdalene or Peter. Or even Peter, yeah, right. 270 00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:51,620 Or Matthew. And some of that we get to see, right? Because we get the four different 271 00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:58,180 representations of the gospel. They're all the same gospel, but they're very different. 272 00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:00,820 Very different. Three of them are a lot more like than one, but... 273 00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:09,700 It's true. Ironically, I like the one that's different, or maybe not ironically. 274 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:18,340 See, I actually like Luke the most. And it makes sense. I love the approach, not the idea, 275 00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:27,300 but the approach that Luke brings of... Basically, if you will, he really had a hands-off approach. 276 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:35,940 He was like, look, I'm reporting what everybody else saw. This is narrative of everyone else's 277 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:44,580 experience with Jesus. Which is pretty accurate, because again, Luke is kind of writing that down 278 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:50,820 as psychic healing. Yeah. And I know that when he writes Acts, that it does begin to change, 279 00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:55,380 because he gets involved in the story directly. But again, I really love... 280 00:31:55,380 --> 00:32:04,580 Oh, that's a good point. Right? I love how Luke... And this is how my brain works. I love how Luke 281 00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:16,820 says, all right, everyone stop. Here is how Jesus exists, and how he impacts the community 282 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:25,940 to someone actually that... Granted, he was around, right? And he had those personal experiences. 283 00:32:25,940 --> 00:32:39,300 But I see Luke as a prominent community member, rather than a part of the inner circle. And again, 284 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:43,300 things do change in Acts. But yeah, so anyways, that's just how my brain works. 285 00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:52,020 And part of the reason I love John so much is, one, John focuses on the deity and the love of God. 286 00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:58,180 That's love. But two, you have more discourse between Jesus and other people. There's more 287 00:32:58,180 --> 00:33:04,980 conversation than in the other gospels. There's more conversation meshed out. Over here, it may 288 00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:11,300 reference that story, but in John, he's going to give you more of the dialogue. This is what Jesus 289 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:18,020 was saying. And so for me, I love that. And just like we're talking, I love that when Jesus talks 290 00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:24,020 to Nicodemus, and Jesus talks to the woman at the well, when Jesus talks to Peter, he's sharing the 291 00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:30,820 same message of the same gospel, but he approaches it differently, the method that he uses differently. 292 00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:39,940 And I love that. And to me, Brad, that's right there, that's part of, or if not part... Well, 293 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:45,620 I guess it would be part, because then we can look at our personal relationship and our experiences. 294 00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:51,060 But I think that goes back to what Jesus was telling Peter. I'm gonna make you fishers of men. 295 00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:57,540 You can't just say the same thing over and over and over again and just expect everyone to buy 296 00:33:57,540 --> 00:34:03,540 into it. Because if, again, thinking about fishing, if I wanna catch large mouth bass, 297 00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:11,620 I can catch one on a worm. Man, it's gonna take a long time, assuming that I don't change the way 298 00:34:11,620 --> 00:34:18,980 I'm fishing, right? Now, if I wanna catch brim or if I wanna catch catfish, I can use worms all day, 299 00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:27,220 because that's what they go for. Yeah, but the sportier fish, I have to change my method. 300 00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:32,980 I've gotta change the way I'm thinking, I've gotta change the way I'm doing. So anyways, 301 00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:43,700 real quick, Brad, before we go, let's see, I've got four questions drafted up here. Tell me which 302 00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:49,460 one you wanna ask. So what are some of your favorite show moments of 2024? What did you enjoy 303 00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:55,780 the most about the show in 2024? What about the show do you love the most? And then what are some 304 00:34:55,780 --> 00:35:03,940 of your goals for the show in 2025? What do you wanna chase? Are you asking me to answer the 305 00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:09,860 question or ask the question? No, no, no, no. Which, yeah, either any of those questions are for you. 306 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:20,260 Let's go with the last one. What are some of your goals for the show this year in 2025? I'm 307 00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:30,100 listening. Well, one, I wanna see us continue with consistency. Yeah. And just doing that. 308 00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:42,580 I would love to see the show continue to develop. I have no idea what it's gonna continue to look 309 00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:53,300 like. And I'm small town guy, which DJ found out recently is even smaller than he thought. 310 00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:58,820 That was a funny part of the show. I went back and listened to that and I was cracking up. 311 00:35:58,820 --> 00:36:19,220 So I think in a lot of ways, I think small. I want to start to think bigger, but at the same time, 312 00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:28,100 that scares me because I don't know what it looks like. I don't fit when I show up to fancy dinners. 313 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:40,020 So, but I want it to continue to be just something that is impactful as we're... That is helpful. 314 00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:47,860 I want for people to listen. I want them to enjoy it, but I want them to get something out of it. 315 00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:57,860 Yeah. And that's always been the part of the... Oh, I almost had it. Part of the nucleus 316 00:36:57,860 --> 00:37:04,980 of the show, like the impetus to even get the show going was like, I want us to have fun. 317 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:12,340 We're going to, it's impossible for us not to, but I want it to be meaningful for sure. 318 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:16,900 Yeah. I'm on the same page, man, really across the board with what you just said. 319 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:30,180 I want our listenership to grow. Not for the sake of us, but I think that... All right. 320 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:39,060 Thinking about Fishers of Men, it is absolutely impossible, no matter who you are, to make, 321 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:45,700 to produce a podcast where weekly shows every week impacts everybody. Can't do it. 322 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:51,700 Right. Right. And again, Fishers of Men, I can't use the exact same bait across the board. 323 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:57,300 I mean, I might catch fish using the same bait, but I'm not going to catch all sorts of different 324 00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:08,180 types of fish using the same bait. So, I don't want a larger listenership for us. I want a larger 325 00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:16,180 listenership. Just because I think that what we have to say can impact people in different ways. 326 00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:22,980 And there are going to be some shows where, for all I know, because I know I'm this way with some 327 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:27,620 of the shows that I listen to, there might be some episodes that don't connect with our listeners, 328 00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:32,420 our normal listeners at all. I'll skip them. Yeah, right. Who cares? 329 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:37,700 I've done that. I listen to an ADHD podcast. It's probably one of the few podcasts I listen to, 330 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:42,660 managing ADHD. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, no, I don't need this. Yeah, not today. 331 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:47,300 It's not for me. That's right. Yeah. Skip. Go to the next one. 332 00:38:50,580 --> 00:39:00,980 But I really feel that what we talk about, what we're willing to talk about, and how we take our 333 00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:07,940 conversations can really impact and continue to impact people. Because shoot, man, they impact me. 334 00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:13,940 Right? I mean, that's, again, coming down to it, anybody, you know, this is proverbs, right? 335 00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:18,660 Anybody who thinks themselves wise is a fool already. And one of the first things that I said 336 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:25,540 when we got the podcast even going is I learned this early on in my own studies that the more that 337 00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:33,460 you begin to know, the more you should begin to realize you don't know. And so, I mean, yeah, 338 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:41,620 every time that you dive into something, either it affirms something I've already believed, 339 00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:46,340 it refutes something I believed, or it's something I've never thought of, you know? 340 00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:53,780 So I really do want that for our listener base. One of the goals that I have for the show, 341 00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:57,700 and I don't know how to do this because I've never done it, and I have no idea how much time 342 00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:06,740 it's going to take, I really want to offer our listeners some merchandise. I want, like, 343 00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:12,820 there's something, so listeners, I'll say this, for Christmas, we do draw names, you know, 344 00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:19,940 Brad and I and our family, we do draw names. I got Brad this year. And I got Brad several coffee 345 00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:28,500 cups, but one of them was a customized Men's Church stuff coffee cup. And Brad and I, if you're 346 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:34,420 regular to the show, Brad and I, you will know, will not ever stop talking about coffee. And we 347 00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:41,060 really do want to share that joy with you guys, too. And it's cool to have, like, you know, your 348 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:49,860 own business, if you want to call it that, on our product. So that's something that I would like to 349 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:56,100 see. But listeners, one of the things that we need from you is not just continued support for, 350 00:40:56,100 --> 00:41:03,380 you know, for listening. Always, please, we can't have enough interaction. Interact with us. 351 00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:10,660 You know, contact and interact with us. But also, what we need from you guys is to, you know, 352 00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:15,860 continue to share the show with other people. Let folks know, you know, that our show's out there. 353 00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:25,060 You can rate and review us on iTunes or Spotify. We actually are bigger on Spotify, I think, 354 00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:32,740 than we are on iTunes. But yeah, share the show. Let folks know that, you know, that it's something 355 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:40,740 that you listen to. Pray for us. Pray for us. A lot. I mean, I want to get on as many perpetual 356 00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:47,060 prayer lists as I can. I can't be prayed for enough. Yeah, you're right. But listeners, 357 00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:52,340 to that end, thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Again, we're back. It's so good, 358 00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:59,220 Brad, to record again. I have missed you, my brother. Listeners, I have missed recording 359 00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:06,260 podcasts, knowing that you guys are gonna listen to it. I really have. So we're back. Remember that 360 00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:12,260 if you're in the Jackson, Tennessee area on Martin Luther King Day, January 20, you take the 361 00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:21,540 code word to the North Store of Green Frog Coffee. The code word is New Year. But thank you guys so 362 00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:28,740 much for being supporters of what Brad and I have felt like God has presented to us. We're gonna 363 00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:35,060 continue to push forward, as Brad has mentioned, you know, with consistency. And if you guys want 364 00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:42,980 us to talk about something, anything, anything, let us know. Depending on what it is, we might 365 00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:48,820 take a while to get to it, as you know, as we experience with the women in church leadership, 366 00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:57,620 which by the way, was the number one show, number one listen to show in 2024. It is, it has quickly 367 00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:05,780 gotten to the fourth most most listened to show that we've put out, Brad. So beyond that, Brad, 368 00:43:05,780 --> 00:43:28,340 I love you, buddy. Listeners, we love you. We will catch you next time.