Hello and welcome to another episode of Upfront and Undivided with Luke and Dean'na.
Hello!
Hi babe!
Hi!
How are ya?
Doing well, how are you?
I'm good.
Good?
It's been a good day.
It has been a good day.
It's been a, um, I can't say it's been a lazy day, but it's been a good day.
It's been a rust-full day.
Yes.
It's been a productive day in spurts.
Yes.
But I've decided that rest is something that is importante.
Yes.
Because if you do not sharpen that axe, you're not going to be worth two cents and it's not
going to cut squat.
Yep.
Because what was it?
Uh, Abraham Lincoln?
Was one of his, one of his, one of the quotes that's attributed to him was, if you give
me six hours to cut down a tree, I will spend four hours sharpening my axe.
See, that's, I mean, boom!
Yeah.
That's, that's solid.
Yeah.
It's like, work smarter, not harder.
Or take the time to put in the time for the things that matter that are going to make
you most productive.
Yeah.
That is not, literally not anything close to what we were going to talk about today.
No.
Just, but that's what we always do.
We chip-chip a little bit.
Or, you know, or again, you know, kind of from the mechanics point of view, you know,
again, take care of your tools and they'll take care of you.
That's right.
Oh, see, my dad would be so proud of you right now.
Aw.
You're dad too, though.
Yes, true.
Okay.
So what are we talking about, babe?
So today we are talking about be solution-minded.
I like that.
Yeah.
I like that.
Because I know, you know, yes, right now it is, it is June of 2022 and there is a lot
going on in the world.
I mean, there, there's been a lot going on in the world, especially the past couple years,
but I mean, if you think about it, I mean, as a Christian, as an American, as a married
couple, as parents, there's a lot of stuff going on all the time.
Yes.
You know, and in a way, it almost just ebbs and flows.
Yeah.
You know, and again, I know we've talked about it many times, you know, the weapons formed
against you, you know, the weapons are already formed.
Right.
The enemy is prowling.
Yeah.
You know, it's constantly looking to devour.
Yeah.
You know, the enemy, you know, there is a constant war for loyalty.
Yes.
Between Jesus and, you know, between God and Satan.
Yeah.
You know, and it's, you know, so it's like these things are out there.
These things, you know, we're constantly in this battle.
We're constantly in this struggle.
Yeah.
You know, it's do we want to recognize it or not?
Right.
Yes, in the, in the world, things might look turbulent for right now, but, you know, spiritually,
the battle has been raging since day one.
Correct.
Absolutely.
Ever, ever since the fall of Satan, the battle has been raging ever since Garden of Eden,
before he even touched that apple.
Yeah.
The battle's been raging.
Yeah.
He was plotting.
He was.
Yeah.
You know, before, probably before man was even formed.
Yeah.
And the enemy has been plotting and the battle has been raging.
Yes.
You know, so as I sit here and say this now, it's like, so what makes today different?
You know?
It doesn't, it doesn't make anything different.
I mean, and I think that that, that as, as the people of God, that feels weird.
The people of God.
Um, cause like, what was I, I came down here a couple of days ago and I sat in my chair
and I looked at you and I said, there is this common denominator that I wish people would
just get.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter if you're black or white, purple, pink or blue.
It doesn't matter if you are gay, straight, LBGTQ plus it doesn't matter if you are pro
life, uh, pro choice.
It doesn't matter what we, we are all.
The enemy is gunning for every one of us.
Oh yeah.
We have an enemy.
We have an enemy of our souls.
We have an enemy that has formed himself and strategically set himself into a system and
he is doing everything he can to divide.
And he knows that if he can divide the human race against each other and these little sex
and while you, you don't think like I do, or you don't believe the way I do, or you
don't look like I don't do, or you're not attracted to the people I'm attracted to,
or you want children, you don't want children, whatever, whatever.
See what I'm saying?
It's like pro gun, not gun.
It doesn't matter.
And we had our most beautiful friend that has come out of a lifestyle, right?
She was telling me one day cause she was telling me all the different alphabets and I'm looking
at her and I'm doing my best to understand.
I want, I'm one of those people that I want to understanding.
I want to, I want to sit down with you, even if I don't agree with you, I want to sit down
with you because I want to know what it is that possibly makes you tick.
Or if you want, if you want to be that open to me about like your background or your lifestyle
or your history or whoever it is, what causes you to be in this mindset?
What causes you to think the way that you do?
That was literally our first date.
I'm looking at you going, so tell me about yourself.
Okay, so what possessed you to do this?
Or what caused you, you know, what spurred this on inside of you?
You know, that's who I am.
This is what I want to know.
So she's telling me these things, but then she's also telling me, yeah, but here's the
deal in this community.
If you aren't, so if you, if you're bi, but you're also, you know, you have someone that's
gay over here, but you're bi, the two groups don't mix.
They don't like each other.
And then I think of, gosh, so she's telling me all these things.
And I was like, wow, okay, so there's division within that group.
And all I heard the Holy Spirit go, and that has, and that's not any different than it
is in the church.
And I said, whoa, you are right, sir.
I mean, not that God's not right, but you know, but the fact that acknowledging you're
right Holy Spirit, thank you.
Because you know, well, if you're not Baptist or if you're not Pentecostal, if you're not
Spirit filled or if you're not Catholic, if you, if you haven't been sprinkled or if you
haven't been dunked or if you haven't, it's, it's these, these things, these, these like
little foxes, these little weeds that want to, you know, divide.
Oh yeah.
It just divides.
And it's like, I, the thing that we, we wanted to talk about today was I'm staring and looking
at you and I'm going, if we have all these problems, we have all these things are on
the forefront.
We see, you know, we see prejudice, we see bigotry, we see hate, we see division.
We, you know, we see all of these, you name it, all of these things.
And I looked you in the eye and I said, babe, but these are symptoms.
Yeah, they are.
We're literally battling symptoms.
We're not going after the root.
If we find the root of the problems, you know, and a lot of times when people are standing
in the situation that they're in, they believe with everything in them that they're right.
Yeah.
If it's something that's causing harm, if it's something that, that, that is causing,
like it's literally stealing your joy.
You know, if it, if it causes you a rage, if it causes you to be angry, if it causes,
if it causes, it just causes you to be zapped, still kill or destroyed.
This is what the enemy wants to do.
If it causes you to hate the person that's across the way from you because they don't
look like you, sound like you, talk like you.
Yeah.
This, these are symptoms.
Yeah.
What about the roots?
And so it was like, we want to be people that stand in a gap almost and say, father, show
us the solutions.
Because like with our children, our daughter has some amazing friends that are, that are
big into what is going on in the moment.
They have their finger on the pulse of what's happening and I'll look at them and I'll say,
but what's the solution?
Right.
You told me the problem.
I agree with you.
There is a problem.
Yeah.
There is a disconnect in our government.
There is a disconnect in the healthcare system.
There is a disconnect in the churches.
There is a disconnect in, there's holes.
Yeah.
Because we're dealing with people that are incomplete.
Right.
That are broken in their own selves.
Yeah.
So what is this, what is the solution?
Yeah.
You know, how can we, how can we make, you know, inner cities, communities great again?
How can we make families solid again?
How can we, you know, if, if abortion is something, you know, can we give you a different alternative
possibly?
If you do have a child, what can we do to help support you?
It's all of these things of standing back and saying, we've got to come with solutions,
but we've got to love each other enough to know.
And one of Gabri's friends had said this one day, it was in a meme and I'm going to butcher
it.
But she said, if, if you are, you know, for a certain community, like rallying for a community,
I support you.
If you are over here and you're wanting, you know, you're focused on relationships and
that's your focus, I support you.
And if you're over here and you're into the children's ministry or you're into the making
a community center for kids so that they have a safe place, I support you.
The whole point was each one of us have something inside of us.
Each one of us has something to give.
Each one of us is passionate about something that I truly believe is God given because
he knew what kind of world we're going to be in.
This does not surprise them.
None of this ever catches them by surprise.
We say this all the time.
God, you knew very well what was going on.
That's the reason why you gave your son.
You knew we needed a savior.
You knew that we needed help.
And so it's like, if we, as the people of God, and if you are listening and you don't
have a relationship with God, but you love humanity, I'm like, I'm like in my mind going,
I don't even care if you're a Christian.
I mean, I want you to be a Christian because ultimately that is where the completeness and
the joy and the goodness and the fullness comes.
I also don't want you to be a bully Christian.
Jesus didn't come to condemn.
He came to convict.
He came to fulfill.
He came to love.
He came to give us hope and life.
And if we are not bringing life, if we're not bringing hope to the nations, to the people
that we're encountering, if his word says, you didn't feed me when I was hungry, you
didn't clothe me when I was naked.
You didn't take care of me when I was an orphan and a widow and when I needed help.
And the guys are like, what do you mean?
What are you talking about?
Yeah.
If we had seen you, surely we would have taken care of you, Jesus.
We would have taken care of him.
And he's like, but you didn't take care of this child.
You didn't take care of the widow.
You didn't take care of the guy that's begging on the corner.
You didn't care about the person that has a different lifestyle that looks like you,
talks like that.
He wants to cuss at you, but when I said, I need you to go and I need you to speak kindly
to them, I need you to go buy their groceries.
I need you to go give this mom diapers that you don't agree how she got pregnant.
I mean, these are real things and it's tangible, practical things that we as a community, because
we talked about community last week.
We as a community, we can build bridges.
We want to bring people to our father.
I'm not going to want to go with you if you're calling me all sorts of crap.
You can call me out on my sin, but even Jesus, when he would give a solution, when he sat
down with the sinners, when he sat down with the tax collectors and the prostitutes and
the people and he broke bread with these people, he got into their lives to let them know that
there was something greater, that they were designed for something more, that what it
was that they saw their lives literally twisted and tied up in was not the final chapter,
that they could have more.
That's what we're supposed to be.
We're supposed to be people that bring more.
You are created for more than this.
I know that you just mentioned how we talked about community last week.
I know part of that solution is, last week we mentioned if you want to be more like somebody
or you want to develop certain skills or talents in your own life, you want to find those people
out and be part of their group.
Because again, even if you're not trying to be that type of person, if you hang out with
those types of people, you will become that type of person.
I know some people, when they are so hyper focused on a problem, it's like they don't
know what they need.
They don't know what the solution even looks like.
It's like even if we or anybody can gently nudge them towards a group that has more solution
minded of, okay, yep, that's an issue.
How can we handle that?
Because again, there's always going to be people that focus on the problem.
There's always going to be people that focus on the solution.
We're never going to get to a point, until Jesus comes back, we're not going to get to
a point where we can get rid of all the problems in the world.
We're not going to get to the point where we can get rid of all the people that just
focus on the problems.
It's kind of like the poverty.
He said it straight up, they're going to be with us.
Growing up, I didn't read my Bible growing up, but I watched movies and one of the movies
was Jesus Christ Superstar.
I always remember the argument between Judas and Jesus.
She's wasting this oil.
We could have raised 300 pieces of silver.
We could have fed poor and so on and so forth.
Jesus just would look calmly at them and say, we can feed all the poor, but there's always
going to be poor.
I'm not going to be with you that long.
So it is.
If we focus too much on the problems, if we focus too much on the garbage of the world,
the swamp and the muck and the mire, we miss out on the beauty.
Because even in the dirtiest, dankest swamps, some beautiful flowers and some beautiful
wildlife can grow and thrive.
As much as they're an annoyance for some people and mosquitoes, they thrive on stagnant, stinky
water.
That's how they thrive.
That's how they grow and they're birthed.
So as much as we might think, God, kids, just get rid of the mosquitoes.
I know that's a prayer of our daughter.
But their life depends on that stagnant, stinky water.
And so draw whatever conclusions you want, but it is.
We need the mess.
One of my favorite examples of needing the mess is we need the wildfires, as destructive
as they are.
There are some pine cones that will not open up unless they get burned.
These trees cannot, new trees cannot grow, cannot be planted unless there's a fire to
open up those pine cones to release those seeds.
And it is.
Yes, God says he's never going to flood the earth again.
But to a degree, there needs to be destruction in order to be life.
There needs to be problems for there to be growth.
There needs to be that uncomfortableness for us to develop and learn and get better and
stronger.
I know we're going back and forth whether or not to mention this, but there's somebody
that I follow and I followed for years.
He actually has a place called a Solutionary Center.
I love the Solutionary Center.
I started following him because he's very pro-gun.
But he's very pro inner city.
One of the shirts he sells is Make the Hood Great Again.
You showed me a picture of him and I was like, you are just like, he's got the best dreads
that crazy long and he's the coolest looking guy.
But you could see his heart.
And he is.
He wants to help his community.
He is community minded.
He is solution minded.
He's like, okay, this is a problem.
Let's get better.
I was checking out his website today.
He's like, hey, he offers classes on how to better home school your kids, how to do first
aid, yoga for mind and body health.
Learn how to sew.
Learn how to make sure your business is legal.
For free.
So cool.
He just has such a heart for helping his community.
And I almost want to counterpoint that to a video that you and I listened to.
And it was somebody saying that their community, which was a church while this person was growing
up, that they were not very, they weren't that strong in their solutions of bringing
people together and building them up.
Yeah.
I'm trying, I was trying to figure out, I'm like, how best to say this, you know, because
again, we, I know you and I, one of them, they were hurt.
They were, they were hurt.
They were mishandled.
Yes.
And I, I think that's another thing that we want to bring to the table to people.
And I think that, you know, we, we talk on a broad subject and I know a lot of people
have asked us to get a little bit deeper on some of these subjects and I would like to.
And I think we want to bring kind of third parties into these conversations because kind
of like what you've said before, you and I can talk all day long, but it's really refreshing
and it's nice.
It helps us grow as people when we have somebody else that comes in and has a conversation
and has a point of view, maybe even just a little bit different than ours.
But I think that that's where we as the church have failed when it comes in the past.
Yeah.
You know, and again, you, you being raised in Catholic, you know, faith, me being raised
in a, you know, I was a simply as a God for a really long time in the non-denominational,
the unfortunate is we deal with people.
We deal with people and we have a perfect God that, that he uses and loves is imperfect
creation and, and it breaks my heart when I hear that somebody's been mishandled by
people in that church.
And it may not even be the whole church as a whole, just like maybe a couple, a handful.
And it's something that really almost just broke you, it broke you.
And that's what we deal with on kind of a daily with a lot of the people that we encounter.
And I think that that's kind of the things that I've said in the, you know, just earlier,
this huge thing of, you know, well, everybody's out to get me or everybody hates me or, you
know, I, or I just, you know, I don't want anything to do with Christianity because of
the Christians.
And I want to, and I want to tell everybody we have an enemy.
We have an enemy.
And until we rise up and get that relationship with God, the one that truly created us, the
one that genuinely knows what we were created for, because society is going to tell you,
you need to look and act and think a certain way.
The church is going to tell you, you need to act and think and look a certain way.
Everybody's telling you what to do.
The thing is, is ultimately we want to say, okay, father, number one, what is your word
of God say?
If I'm a Christian, if I believe that you are the son of God, that you died on the cross
for my sins, that you rose after three days and that you are literally seated on the throne
room, father, what, what did you, what do you want me to be?
And we as people of God need to be discerning.
We need to be, we need to walk in the fruit of the spirit.
We need to walk with love.
We can have bold love.
We can speak into that thing, but if it's not seasoned with love, one of your favorite
scriptures, you could be, if you don't have love, you're noise.
You're just a noise.
You can give me all the scriptures and is there power in the word of God?
Yes, there is.
That being said, if it's not spoken in the spirit of God with the love of God backing
it, or it's going to get nasty, or if, if you're one of those people that you, you speak
the word of God constantly, but then as soon as you turn around, you then push people out
of your way.
Yep.
It's like, um, what you say and what you do, do not match.
Right.
That's right.
And, and I know, uh, I know that the church, you know, with, with a lot of these, you know,
things going on in the world, you know, a lot of the churches talk about, you know,
outreach and stuff like that.
And, and as far as, you know, people that, that sometimes get hurt or, or, or missed
or overlooked in a church, um, I know one of your favorite terms is in reach.
In reach.
That's it.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and you and I have talked that that's just as important, if not sometimes more important
than outreach because you know, if, if your church, you know, if your community isn't
that, you know, not, not saying that your community needs to be tight and you're all
one big giant family.
Yeah.
I mean, you, we kind of are because not all families, everybody gets along.
Right.
Um, it's true.
Say love.
I love you.
I just don't like you right now.
Right.
Um, you know, but, but even, but again, it's, you know, if we don't, if, if we don't have
that type of community where we can, you know, even just feel safe around each other, you
know, I, I, you know, regardless of how much outreach you do, if, when somebody comes in,
they're going to feel it, they're going to see it.
They're going to be like, okay, so I'm now a stranger in a room full of strangers that
they don't even trust each other.
Why would I hang around?
You know, it's true.
No, you're speaking, no, you're speaking truth.
You're speaking truth.
Because, because I mean, I never, I was never one of those people that, that shopped around
for a church, you know, as, as I've heard some people say it, you know, so it was like,
but there have been a couple of times where it's like, I've gone to churches, you know,
with friends, they're like, look, you should come to church.
Okay, fine, whatever.
Um, you know, and that was before I wanted to be a Christian.
So you know, again, it's, if you don't want to do it in your life, it's, it, regardless
of how cool it is, you know, it's not going to, it's not going to matter, you know, but
again, it was one of those things you could always feel, you know, especially as a non-Christian,
you, you can always feel when people are being hypocritical and cynical.
Yeah.
And I, and I always laughed because, you know, back when I was like that, you know, the,
the Christians were always like, oh no, I'm such an upright, stating citizen.
And then they'd talk and they wouldn't even have to do anything.
I'm like, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Yeah.
I can see it from a mile away.
Yeah.
I see what you do.
You know, I, I knew people in college, they're like, oh, I'm a born again Christian, but
on the weekends, this is what I do.
It's like, yeah, I'm not a Christian, but I know that's not right.
Right.
No, and I think, and I think you nailed it because when you said that I was, all I heard
in my head was, um, a lot of times the reason why, and this is across the board, not just
in church, this is across the board, I believe.
Yeah.
I'm going to make a blanket statement and I don't like making them, but I'm going to
make one.
Yes.
And the blanket statement to me is this.
Usually the reason why people don't feel like, um, they're safe or that they are with people
that they can be safe with is because they themselves are not safe.
Hmm.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I'll agree.
And, and again, that is very blanket statement.
Yeah.
That does not go with everybody.
Yeah.
I know sometimes you don't feel safe because you don't feel safe.
Yep.
But it's like, but when you, when you are walking into a church, when you say, man,
you know, I don't know, like I, or, or you've been so hurt.
I'll give you that one too.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Because it's like, I, I, I know me personally, you know, there's a friend of mine that she
started, um, a women's reach and she's like, what is it that you want to, you know, what
are you?
I don't remember exactly how she worded it, but basically, you know, how do you feel about
this women's group thing?
Are you excited?
What are you looking down at?
And I was like, well, I gotta be honest.
Um, I'm scared to get close to anybody because everybody I've ever gotten close to has walked
away.
Right.
And then I deleted it because I was like, I don't want any of them because there's some
of my friends that are on this and I'm thinking, I don't necessarily want to say that I'm talking
about you, but there's a lot of people in my life that I love that just really peace
out, you know?
And in her response to me was I saw your, I saw, I saw what you posted before you and
I'm the same way.
I get a little, I get a little gun shy because I've been hit, you know, or I I've encountered
whatever and, and I think that that's where I also want to tell people across the board
again, whether, whether you're in an alternate lifestyle, whether you have a different thinking
about what the newest thing is as far as pro life or pro choice, whatever it is, the fact
is that I want everybody to sit down.
I want everybody to sit down and I want everybody to take the time to listen.
I want people to start hearing the hearts of the people.
Why is it that you did what you did?
Why is it that you are living the way that you're living?
I'm Christians, you know, like I literally out of the blue text my bestie, one of my
besties, Marsha, right?
Yesterday, Hey, how did you even come to know Jesus?
I don't think I even know this story.
Yeah.
You know, what, what, what was your life like and what does it look like now?
Because what happens there is when I have this kind of relationship with you, when I
get to know a little bit more about you, it gives me a greater understanding.
Guess what?
It also gives me a greater compassion.
Yeah.
It also makes me more, I don't want to say sensitive, like seeker sensitive.
Like I'm not trying to tiptoe around you, but I want to be, I want to go, Oh, well,
if this is something that causes you to stumble, heck to the no, we're not going to deal with
that and I'm not going to take you down that way.
Or I'm not even going to have that conversation because I don't want to trigger something.
You with PTSD, our sweet Heather, with just the stuff that God's walking her through our
sweet Chico, you know, we got all this, this amazing plethora of people that are around
us that love God with everything in them.
And they're just like, I just want to know God more.
Yeah.
God can even reach me because there's like, there's this hardness here or this stuff here
that I don't want to lay down or this stuff that it becomes so familiar with it.
Now I don't even, I, I, is it me?
Yeah.
Can God, can you even separate that?
Or is this the way that you designed me?
You know, I was born this way, whatever that looks like, however that sounds like, it's,
it's one of those where it's like, just stop for a second.
Everybody just stop.
Stop.
We command all the voices in the chatter to just stop.
And then father, I'm asking that you speak so sweetly and so kindly and the way they
only you can do into each and every one of our lives to remind each one of us that we
were created for such a time as this with a purpose for a purpose.
And I'm asking that you separate all of the clutter that you remove all of the draws and
that people would stop throwing that stuff back on people that they, that as they're
trying to get up out of the mud or even if they're still in the mud and they're screaming
profanity at you that you continue to speak the goodness of God that that as they're flailing
down at you and you say, you're better than this, man.
You got, you got a hope in a future.
I promise you God's got so much more, but they're not going to want to take your hand
if you're throwing stuff back.
Oh yeah.
I mean, I mean, again, it's, you know, years ago, you know, when, you know, I, I was looking
at somebody that was very adamant, you know, about the gay community and this was, you
know, what 10, 11 years ago, actually 11 years ago, you know, and they were saying, you know,
how, you know, as a Christian, we need to, we need to convert them.
We need to tell them that their sin is wrong and we need to bring them to Jesus and teach
them the gospel.
And I'm like, yes, I agree.
And at the time I was a new Christian still, but you know, I was like, yes, I agree.
But here's my, here's my counterpoint to your point.
Is somebody more likely to come to Jesus and, and, and realize the, the, the beauty of the
gospel by you sitting there banging a Bible over their head saying, you're a sinner, you're
a sinner, you're a sinner, repent, repent, repent, or, Hey, I'm going to be your friend
and I'm going to, I'm going to kindly tell you about Jesus every now and then.
And I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to do my best to live Christ-like in front
of you.
So then you're like, man, what's up in your life?
I can, why are you always so happy?
How come nothing ever gets you down?
You know, how come you're able to bounce quickly with this?
Hey, I know that you hang out and you help this community, but you're not part of this
community.
Why?
Yeah.
You know, and, and by being a friend, by being, you know, listening and understanding, you
know, I'm not, I'm not saying agree.
I'm not saying join, you know, but again, like you were having that conversation.
You know, tell me about the LGBTQ community.
You know, I want a better understanding, you know, again, you know, we have friends that
are, that are neck deep in the foster care community and adoption community.
It's like, you know, tell us, tell us about that.
You know, what can we help you with?
You know, where can we send pizzas?
Yeah.
You know, where can we send spare clothes and diapers?
You know, again, not.
I mean, we don't have to be part of that community, but, you know, but again, where, where is
that heart of Christ that breaks for these things, you know, that breaks for the people,
you know, where, where are those opportunities for us to just close our mouths and open our
ears and listen, you know, and, and just, you know, again, have that Christ like attitude
of I want my people, I want, I want the people around me to realize that the kingdom of God
is near, you know, that the kingdom of God is forcefully advancing.
Not that we have to forcefully with our words, tell them about the kingdom, but that we can
gently just through our actions and kindness and compassion and empathy, demonstrate that
the kingdom of God is advancing forcefully and is going to overtake them.
Yeah.
In a good way.
Yeah.
And he wants to give them nothing but the best.
Yes.
He desires nothing but the best.
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
So our challenge for you guys this week is like it was last week and every week after
get out of your belly button, look around you, open your ears.
We talk about our podcast being something about relationships and communication, right?
This is kind of the core.
Yeah.
We talk about the roots and the cores and this is a core value in our world.
And one of the things that we want, we, as a couple and individually as parents even
and as spouses to one another, we're still learning.
It takes time and guys that you're going to, we're going to fail on this, you know, but
if we allow ourselves to be patient with people, patient with ourselves, allow the Holy Spirit
to speak to us, to walk in boldness when we're desiring change and rescue, check your motive.
I will say that one.
Check your motive.
Yeah.
And if you're trying to, you know, do we want to rescue people out of hell?
Yeah.
Do we want to rescue people out of hell on earth?
Yeah.
Out of, you know, do we want them to have abundant life?
Do we love people enough to tell them the truth that if, if, if that's not the premise,
if that's not something that it's seasoned with the love of God, shut your mouth.
Yeah.
If you can't back it with your actions, be still and grow and grow and give yourself
grace to grow.
Yeah.
Because this takes time.
It takes time.
It takes, it takes dying to self.
Yeah.
It takes, um, not walking into condemnation.
There is therefore no, no, no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus.
Yeah.
Right.
We don't want people to live condemned anymore.
We want people to be set free.
Yeah.
And the torment of the enemy coming and speaking so nastily to them, not even a word.
Sure.
You know, because so many times, and I've said this before with my life out of my testimony,
if you, you Luke wants and Charlie, Karen, different ones in my life.
Yeah.
If they did not come to me and love me in the place where I was, as opposed to throwing
me back into the past where I came out of and where I had been, what would have been
the point?
Yeah.
It would have been like, Oh, well you're not letting me change.
Yeah.
Or, Oh, I fell down in front of you.
Oh, and you're now Jonah chastise me and say, this is how you always are going to be.
And this is how you've always been.
Yeah.
Instead of saying, no man, just give me your hand.
It's going to be okay.
Yeah.
That's who we need to be.
That's who Jesus is.
Yes.
That's who our father, our heavenly father is.
And that's who we need to be to each other.
Yeah.
And I'm going to, I'm going to kind of tack onto that as, you know, not just this week,
but, but always, you know, be one of those people that when you see a problem, not, not
just in the world, you know, but, you know, if you see a problem in your family, in your
community, in your church, in your work, if you see a problem, people are more apt to
listen to you and to accept that.
If you say, Hey, here's a problem.
What if we take care of it this way?
Yeah.
You know, try to have that solution mindset.
Yeah.
Because I see a shortcoming.
Here's how I think we can fix it.
Yeah.
You know, because again, it, A, it sounds really cool when you're like, Hey, I think we can
fix it.
But B, it also shifts your mindset because all of a sudden you start thinking of how
can I make the world a better place?
How can I make what's around me a better place?
How can I bring solutions and improvements and growth to, to what's around me?
Yeah.
So yeah.
Awesome.
I love it, babe.
Yes.
That's it.
All right, guys.
Have the best week.
Have a great week, myisc.