Hello and welcome to another episode of Upfront and Undivided with Luke and Dean'na.
Hi, how's it going?
It's good.
I listened to that opening and I was like, you weren't sure, you were on the Equipped
Man, are you Upfront and Undivided?
There was a second, yeah, there was a second.
I'm like, where am I?
That's what I'm doing.
Listen guys, for those of you that don't listen, you need to.
My sweet hubby has a podcast.
That's what we're doing.
Wow, yeah, I'm fine.
A podcast called The Equipped Man and I listened and I made the observation one day of, babe,
your octave drops when you're talking to the fellas as opposed to talking to me.
Yes.
Hello, wait, we're in, hi this is Upfront.
I love you.
What am I getting fun of you?
I know you're not.
No, I get it.
I was like, wow, that's cool.
Because again, and it's like, I read something and I explained this the other day when you
brought it up that a lot of times if you watch men interacting versus women interacting and
men versus, like men talking to men, men talking to women or women talking to each other and
men talking to each other, when women want to make a point, they will actually go higher
in their octaves to hopefully make a point and it's like, I don't want to say establish
dominance but-
Dominates the conversation, yes.
Because men will actually go deeper.
I've watched it firsthand.
Yeah.
Having two brothers, I've grown up with that where all of a sudden you're like, uh-oh,
someone in trouble.
Right.
No, I love that.
That's funny.
Anyway, that was just kind of my-
No, no, no, yeah.
Okay, check you out.
Yeah, it took me a second.
But yeah, it took me a second and like, where am I sitting?
Where am I at?
Okay, we got this.
Yes.
I get it.
Okay, well, you guys didn't need to be so excited.
I got it, okay, well, you guys didn't hear from us last week and periodically you're
going to hear me sniffing.
Yes.
I had a fever for three days, four days?
Three.
Of like over 101.
Good times.
So, you know, it was so weird though, wasn't it?
Because it's like I seemed okay.
I'd get really great big spurts and we've been married long enough to where you see
it happen.
Yeah.
You just let me go.
And then the next thing you see me is I go back to sleep.
Yeah.
And it is what it is and that's just what you do.
So we're catching up tonight and getting this, getting back onto the groove.
What you doing?
I'm just, I'm trying testing stuff.
Just talking.
Oh, okay.
Keep talking?
Yeah.
He's got his camera phone out and he's videoing stuff.
Babe, what are we doing?
I don't know.
You're talking.
I'm talking.
You're making me nervous though.
Do I look okay?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
Hi guys.
This is what we, wow.
Do you want, okay.
No.
I'll just be still.
I'm just testing stuff.
Okay.
Cool.
Okay.
He threw me off.
It's fine.
So that's where we were last week, but we did get a chance to, there's a couple of things
that we got to do in the process and in the meantime of our absence last week.
We got a chance to talk to our married group.
We actually attempted to record that, so just stay tuned.
Some friends of ours have asked, you know, hey guys, we missed that.
Can we have that?
And so we're trying to figure out-
Or we might be throwing off some highlights.
Yeah.
We're going to try to figure out how to pull it off my phone and not make it sound like
a tin can, but if it is, it is.
It is just what it is.
Welcome to technology.
It's not always cool.
That's right.
It's perfect and I think that's what's neat about it.
And then the other week we got to talk to our young adults.
We were asked specifically just kind of some practical ways to walk through Christianity
and to be somebody that's solid and steadfast and how have you guys done this for so long
and what have you done?
So we had an opportunity to do that.
And what were some of the good things that you did when you were in your 20s?
Yeah.
I lovingly, jokingly looked at all of them and told them not to do anything that I did
in my 20s.
I mean, your 20s and my 20s were kind of, they looked different.
Night and day.
You can say night and day.
Yeah.
But I also did some incredibly horrifically stupid things during my 20s also.
But I think one of the things that they kept trying to figure out is just like, how do
you keep loving Jesus in the middle of it?
And I think that that was kind of one of the things that we tried to give them a takeaway.
When you so fall in love with God, it's not that you become perfect.
It's just you repent faster.
You kind of turn things quicker.
You understand that, oh, I'm only human and I genuinely, this is why I need God.
But this week we wanted to talk and I actually get to be the one that brings the subject
to the platform.
Yes.
I'm excited.
And you are excited and I'm going to let you title it.
Okay.
I'm going to see how you do on the fly.
You ready?
Yes.
So accountability.
Okay.
Accountability.
Almost like Accountability 101.
Yeah.
What does that even look like?
And what brought this to me?
I know that we have probably talked about accountability along the way.
Again, there's a little bit of it, but I want to bring it from a different perspective.
So one of my absolute best friends on the planet, she started a Facebook group and it's
called Marsha's Accountability Crew.
And she basically said, I'm coming on here.
I'm becoming vulnerable.
There's some things that I'm wanting to accomplish in my life.
There's places where God's wanting to kind of just trim off the fat in my life.
Kind of just get me back on track in my life.
And you, and there was about five of us aside from her on the page, you guys have tested
to be people that I can trust.
And I think that's kind of what I want to talk about a little bit today.
Because I know that we've talked about accountability in the gym.
We've talked about accountability as far as our health.
Seeing people that are genuinely around you.
But it's like, what would, I'm asking you, kind of almost interview you as far as from
a fellow's point of view.
What does that look like when you say, I'm struggling because here's my amazing friend.
Number one, the fact that she allowed herself to be so transparent and vulnerable shows
what God has done in her life because she will openly admit to everybody.
I'm not like uncovering her.
Openly admit to everybody, hey, you know what?
I've dealt with rejection a lot over the years.
I've dealt with people that have harmed me, hurt me, used me, abused me, and taken advantage
of my kindness.
And now I want to be somebody that I can, I want accountability in my life again.
I don't want to put up these walls and just me and Jesus, we got this going, it's fine.
But more of, hey, there's some definite stuff in my life.
There's definite places that I need polished.
And I want you to come alongside me and plug in to these spaces and keep my feet to the
fire.
So from a guy's point of view, because there's a couple of things that she's said on here
that hit really, really good that I want to share, but I want to ask, I want to go back
to first that question for a guy.
What do you think accountability would look like?
Well I mean, before I answer that, I will say I glanced at our notes and I did see that
two episodes ago, 56.
Am I my spouse's keeper?
Sorry guys.
No, but yeah, we'll delve deeper.
There's nothing wrong with delving deeper.
So from a man's perspective, what is accountability?
And I would have to say, I mean, in general terms, it's when you allow somebody else to
monitor, it's like, I want to say monitor your progress and make sure that, it's like
I'm going to kind of be raw, but keep your feet to the fire and call you out if you're
not keeping your standards and stuff like that.
And I think that goes for, because it's funny, because not only did we talk about it in ours,
but I actually talked about it on mine.
But it was, so it's that, are you going to find somebody that's going to keep your feet
to the fire and make sure that you keep your standards at a set level and making sure you're
hitting your deadlines and stuff like that, staying on top of it.
Even something like this, hey babe, are we putting out an episode every week?
We said that we were going to do this weekly.
Are we keeping up with that?
But I think also the other side of that coin with accountability and finding that person
or group of people that can hold you accountable is you have to be vulnerable.
You yourself have to say, I need help.
Basically all of us are sitting there and in a place where we can say, I need help.
But it's actually vocalizing that.
Because I know me personally, there have been many times where in my head I've almost screamed
that I need help.
But my lack of vulnerability at times and my pride as a man, as a husband, as a father,
those words will not come out.
We've been together for over 10 years.
It's rare that I say that as much as I scream it in my head.
So I do.
I think it is.
It's the two-sided coin.
There's so many things in life that when it comes to especially communication and marriages
and good solid friendships, there's that yes, it's this, but it also has to be this.
Accountability is awesome, but you also have to have that vulnerability, that honesty of
saying I need help, I need somebody to make sure that I'm keeping my standards.
Hey, are you keeping your standards?
Well no, I slipped up a couple of times over here.
Not just, oh yeah man, I'm doing good.
Right.
You've got to be honest about it.
It's kind of like that movie from the late 80s, early 90s.
Right on top of that, Rose.
Don't tell mom the babysitter's dad.
You're not just feeding the line of, yep, everything's good, I'm okay, I'm all right,
I'm walking, I'm going.
It's like no, you've got to have that honest, vulnerable self-assessment of I had some good
days but I had some bad days.
Right.
Yes, I had really good moments where I was able to stay on top of this and I had some
moments where I slipped and I struggled.
Again, that's wherever that is, whatever area that is in your life.
Again, we've talked about accountability in our marriages, we've talked about it at the
gym, in life, just all these different aspects of your life.
And again, it can apply to every aspect of your life.
Your job, your kids, your marriage, your home, your finances.
Again, it's just are you doing this?
Having that trusted, close, personal, that trusted, close, solid, tough, yet gentle person
in your life that will give you honest questions to hold you, to keep your feet to the fire
and that solid, honest vulnerability of saying, no, I let my standards drop.
Yeah, yeah.
I love that.
Because I know like, so today, Gabri and I spent quite a bit of time together which was
really nice.
She had a follow-up appointment.
We went, took a couple of hours to just go and be.
She had actually mentioned, she goes, Mom, I don't know what's going on right now.
It seems like there's quite a few of my friends that seem to be kind of in a funk.
She goes, and I even feel like I'm in a funk kind of thing.
I said, I could give you this general, I said, because it hits.
It hit you, it hit me.
Like that kind of where you're like, I'm okay, but I feel off.
I'm not quite sure what's happening.
Knowing sometimes that it's just the pushback of the enemy, knowing that he's absolutely
wanting to still kill and destroy, that he's wanting to keep people from accomplishing
the very things.
The thing that really hit me when she was talking, she said, because she's like, I was
in that weird space and I still kind of am, that I'm really down on myself and I just
feel very ugly and I don't feel... She goes, like yesterday, she goes, I stood really close
to the mirror and then I backed up and I said, because I look really close and I'm like,
man, ew.
Then she says, then I backed up and I said, wait a minute, what does everybody else see?
This is what everybody else sees.
I always get compliments on my smile.
I always get compliments on my hair.
I'm pretty or beautiful or whatever and I said, that's it.
That's it.
The enemy wants to come and absolutely annihilate and pick you apart because where we were,
let me give a backstory of where we were, for again, those that know Gabriel had surgery
and the doctor that we go to, he's actually a plastic surgeon and he's helping get her
body healed back to where it needs to be.
She had a reduction and that's not a secret at this point.
He knows it, but he's absolutely precious and he's trying to do his absolute best to
make her look as perfect as possible.
Then it went to the thing of, Gabri, here's the deal because we're like, babe, there's
people in the elevator with us.
We all know where everybody's going.
There's only one level here.
It's the whole place.
It's on.
There's only one office in there.
There's one office.
We know who this is.
We get in the car because part of me is like, I feel a little inadequate right now.
My nails aren't completely done and all of it, blah, blah, blah.
I start picking myself apart.
I sat there and I said, do you know, just being beautiful starts on the inward space
because the shallow, the surface, you can only go so far with that.
It's like when you start exposing these spaces, when you start exposing those insecurities,
the rejection, the fear, the stuff.
That's what Marcia actually had said.
She goes, a couple of things that she's done that have been helpful is she's created Faith
Over Fear playlist, which is songs.
It's like, what are you playing in your head?
How are you keeping yourself accountable?
What are you doing?
I'm looking at Gabriel going, what does the word of God say about you, babe?
Because literally, the enemy, the very differences of who we are, the beauty of you don't look
like me.
I don't look like you.
There's these different, even the things that people go, oh, well, that's abnormal or that.
You don't really look like everybody else.
Rejoice in the fact that you don't look like everybody else because obviously you were
designed differently by literally the creator of the universe who saw fit for you to come.
I need a Luke.
I'm going to create a Luke because the earth needs one.
I'm saying this to Gabriel and what it triggered inside of me when we're talking, I was like,
how are we being accountable not just to the people around us?
Maybe that's what it is because I know that we've talked about accountability before again.
We've talked about being our spouse's accountability partner.
How are we keeping ourselves accountable?
What are we doing as men and women of God?
The thing that she said is, okay, number one, what are you listening to?
We even said this to our young adults.
What are you listening to?
What voices are you allowing to come in?
It draws so many parallels to living a healthy lifestyle.
What are you consuming?
What you're consuming will directly affect your output.
What did you tell Gabriel and I last night about your gut?
I read something or I listened to something that your gut health can actually influence
your brain health.
Crazy.
You know this.
You know what I mean?
It's like people subconsciously know.
I keep backing up from the mic.
It's like you know this because how you feel after you eat something.
What's your mood?
Do you have brain fog?
Yeah, exactly.
Are you tired now?
Are you sleepy, sleepy?
What's going on?
Do you have energy?
Do you have rage?
What's happening?
Are you bloated?
What's happening?
Yeah, it's even like if you're anxious and stuff like that.
What is it doing to your emotional?
She said she's just playing faith.
Things that speak the word of God.
Things that remind her who she is.
Reminder who her God is.
And then let's see.
And then she's added a spot on her vision board to start writing down fears when they
come up against her along with the scripture of faith to combat it.
And then it's like what does God say to fear?
And I remember at our vision board and I think I might have said this the other night in
one of our podcasts and I'm trying to find it.
But basically whenever it was talking about fear over faith on one of the vision boards,
one of the women's vision boards, it said do it scared anyway.
And I know you've said that.
I know that we have said that.
It's like everybody's going to be scared or there's going to be that little bit of nervous
energy or whatever.
Do it anyway.
Be great.
Be courageous even in the midst of your fear.
And it's also nobody's going to be an expert when they start.
I know we talked a little bit about it probably more off mic than on.
But especially when we were a year and a half ago when we were thinking about starting this,
it's like we need all this stuff to set up.
And it's like no, we really don't.
Just the basics.
You can start with the basics.
You can do this with the basics.
Starting a side gig, like a side job.
You don't have to have a ton of stuff.
You just start with the basics.
People are going to mess up.
And in a way, I heard this once, as far as the whole starting scared and not being perfect
when you start off.
When we're kids, when we're toddlers, when we're learning to crawl, when we're learning
to walk, how do people react?
How do people react when a child is first learning to walk?
They get excited.
They take half a step and they fall on their face, but people get excited.
People encourage them.
All of a sudden, we're an adult.
Hey, I'm going to start something new.
I'm going to take some new steps outside of my comfort zone.
Oh, are you really?
Do you think that's safe?
Should you do that?
Is that the right move for you?
What about your family?
What about your spouse?
Luke, you're 46.
Should you really be thinking about that?
Shouldn't you be thinking about being something?
So it is.
It's that shift in the mentality of the people around us of we should be celebrating when
a friend of ours or family members of ours is like, hey, I'm going to take a risk.
I'm going to step outside of my comfort zone.
Maybe not, I'm going to try to break the skydive world record for how long I can free fall.
Maybe not be super excited about that move, but if they've had practice and been working
up to it, cool.
But again, to just shoot somebody down because they want to start something, especially in
the kingdom or especially with your spouse.
It's like, hey, I think through prayer, I feel that God is calling me that I need to
step in this direction.
Dude, let's go.
That's exciting.
I need help.
What can I do for you?
If you're going to be out an extra night or two working on this, how can I help out?
So it's like we should be excited.
We should be that support system.
I think that's one thing that I enjoy about our church community is there's a whole lot
of entrepreneurs.
So there's a whole lot of people that are like, oh yeah, I started my own business or
I stepped out on my own or we stepped out as a family.
And so it's like, I love that in our community, it's like if you say, hey, I'm starting my
own business or hey, I'm starting this new project, there's a crowd of people cheering
for you already and they don't even know your name, but they're just excited.
They're like, oh sweet, you're stepping out.
Awesome.
Yes.
And I found the absolute phrase and it said, feel afraid and do it anyway.
And so on the list that she talked about as far as, I'm going to go back real quick on
some of the things that she's been writing down.
And it says, I feel, let's see, I fear not knowing.
God has not given me a spirit of fear, but of power, love and sound mind.
Another one, I fear standing before people.
I will never leave you nor forsake you.
The simplest of things.
I have so much information, but I don't know how to literally give it out to people and
things like that.
And it says, you can do all things through Christ who gives you strength.
And so it's like, oh, sorry.
Thank you.
You're giving me squishy.
Sorry.
Thank you.
And so it's one of those things like for the accountability for yourself, write down,
I gave you some examples as far as what she said, but it's like, but what if people laugh
at me?
But what if I don't know all the answers?
But what if, I mean, how many times have we stood back and said, we feel incredibly inadequate
even doing what we're doing.
And God continues to open up doors for us to speak into people's lives.
And it's one of those where it's just the common denominator is, God, you are my help
and you are my source.
You're where my wisdom comes from.
You're where my help comes from.
And pointing people in those directions and cheering them on and saying, you know what?
You can't do it in your own strength, but the same spirit that raised Christ from the
dead literally dwells inside of you.
You have the ability to go out and be, you have the courage to go and speak into the
darkness and light comes.
You get to go and just share Jesus with people just by simply being there in that space,
by loving them, being compassionate with them, being encouraging to them.
And it's like, find out where you need the accountability.
Find ways that you can help yourself.
Because it's not just your buddy, you said it straight up.
I could lie to you.
I mean, I've never lied to you, but you know what I mean?
I could say, absolutely, babe, I did this, blah, blah, blah.
But you can't lie to yourself.
You can try.
And you can't lie to God.
And so I think one of the things, those are just a couple of the things that I saw as
far as accountability, give yourself space to grow.
Give yourself space to do hard things.
Give yourself space to start learning disciplines.
And then start writing things down.
Because once you write them down, it becomes even more real.
And then when you do write those things down, then find the scripture that would help back
that up for you, because then that way, when the enemy tries to come and still, you can
say, this is what my God has said.
Oh, but did God really say you could pull that off?
Did God really say you're going to go start your own business?
Did God really say, and be like, you know, he said that he would go above and beyond
what I could ask, think, or even imagine.
So I'm going to put people around me.
I'm going to not throw my pearls before swine.
That's actually the word of God.
He says, don't share it with just everybody.
Find people that you know that you can trust.
People that you know that love you enough to say no.
And that love you enough to say get up.
It's going to be okay.
We're going to move on and we're going to do this together.
And I'm glad you said that last part, because when you were talking about get your goals
and write them down and all, and what I was thinking of, you don't want to write them
down and find the corresponding scriptures or the scriptures that back that up and then
just put it in a drawer or just leave it here in my office, on my desk, where not many people
come and look at my desk, what's on my desk.
But again, it's like your friend did.
She put it on Facebook and it's a private group where it's just a few close friends
and battle buddies.
But it's like, but it is, it's write this stuff down and then share it, hand these to
people that you trust that will keep you accountable.
So they can say, oh, I see that you want to do this.
Hey, did you do this this week?
Hey, did you read a chapter?
Did you write a couple pages?
Did you journal?
Did you hit the gym?
Did you eat right?
Did you avoid those donuts this week?
So whatever it may be, hey, did you build your chicken coop?
I've got a friend that was built, we're going to work on a chicken coop.
It's like, did you build it?
I never followed up with him.
Not that he was asking me to follow up with him, but again.
Just out of curiosity, you should see.
And that could be also one of those inadvertent just keeping each other accountable, lovingly
saying, you know, just getting into people's lives, just finding out what everybody's up
to that, that really, those little things help.
You know, it's like the more that I tell people my vision, the more I tell people what I'm
doing, the more I have to go, oh, like this is really happening.
I really got to make this happen now because it's out there.
Yeah.
And your friends are awesome because every, everyone you've told about your upcoming
project, they are so, so excited.
They're like, when are we doing it?
Right.
When are you doing it?
It's, they literally say, when are we doing that?
And that's, those are the people that you want around you.
Those are the people that you want to rally around.
You want to be somebody that says, how can I be accountable?
I'm not going to just sit here and be naggy and be, or be just your silent cheerleader
on the side.
I'm going to be the one that says, Hey, we need to go to the gym.
Ready to go to the gym?
You know, I'll go with you.
Oh, you want to go, you need a space to go, right?
Talking to one of my friends now, you need space to go, right?
Do you want me, I'll meet you for coffee.
I'll sit quiet.
I'll, I'll be your sounding board.
You can bounce off.
You know what I mean?
It's like, what do you need?
What can I help with?
Your friend sending a pamphlet of a project that she's working on.
Hey, what do you think?
How do you think this, you know, does this read well?
What do you, and, and having people surround you that, that aren't just helping.
Yes, you got this, but literally, Hey, okay.
Yeah.
You want my help?
Okay.
Let's tweak here.
Let's do better here.
The honest, real feedback, not just the blind cheerleader.
Right.
You want those people and you want to be that person seasoned with grace that you can speak
the truth lovingly.
You don't have to be critical.
It's not like a, when I say critical spirit, I'm talking about the one that tears down,
but for someone to come in and critique and to say, Hey, I think that this is something
that you could do a little bit better or Hey, I see you're struggling with your kids or
Hey, I see that you're talking a little short with your husband.
But can I, can I give you guys a date night?
Can I do, you know, so it's again, um, you may not necessarily have somebody that you
are accountable with, but open your ears up, listen for cues around you of people that
just need friends, people that need somebody to, to be on their side, to be their champion,
to help be a champion for them and what it is that they believe.
Agreed.
So that was it.
That's good.
I like it.
Yeah.
So I, sorry that I totally like blanked out a couple of episodes ago.
No, you're fine.
You're fine.
I hope this was a little bit different information.
I think it was.
Yeah.
I think it was because again, I think it's, you know, it's, it was from a bit of a different
angle.
Yeah.
And again, you know, how many times, you know, we, we are now on episode 58, you know, for
the most part we're talking about communication.
Yeah.
We've, we've now found, you know, over 50 ways to talk about communication.
I love that.
So, you know, I mean, that's, that's, that's kind of, that's kind of our goal, you know,
I mean, because there is, there's, there's so many, just like there's so many different
facets and, and ways to go about communication, you know, again, not just in a married couple.
Yes, that's our, one of our main focuses because that's who we are.
Right.
You know, but again, it's, you know, that communication of, of all levels, of, of all
areas of our lives and, you know, vulnerability and accountability kind of, kind of goes on
that same, that same vein.
Yeah.
You know, and I'm, I'm almost thinking of, of titling this accountability meets vulnerability.
Oh, see, I like that.
Yeah.
See, I like account on you.
Yeah.
There you go.
There you go, babe.
You know, so, so again, you know, because it is, we, I do, I, the way I see it and I
could be completely wrong, but it does.
It's the, the, the idea of accountability, the idea of vulnerability, you know, it goes
hand in hand with communication or, or within communication because you have to have, you
know, because you have to have good communication.
You have to have that foundation of a relationship, whether, you know, again, whether it's married
or married, whether it's engaged, dating, courting, friends, coworkers, you need that
established foundation relationship.
Foundation of trust.
Yes.
Yeah.
You know, because if I don't trust you, if I don't have a commu, you know, if I don't
have a foundation of communication and a history of communication and trust with you, I am,
I am not going to be vulnerable to you.
I am not going to ask you to be my accountability partner.
Right.
I am not going to open up and say, Hey, here's where I'm struggling or Hey, can you make
sure I do this?
Right.
You know, you have to have, you have to have all this history, you have to have all this
history and all this background to, to be able to open yourself wide for this to happen.
Yeah.
You know, so, you know, I'm not, you're not going to just walk up to some stranger on
the street and say, Hey, can you be my accountability partner?
Right.
That's just, that works weird.
Right.
That's not right.
But.
And I would also say with, to piggyback onto that.
Yeah.
It would be when you are picking somebody that is an accountability partner, you want
somebody that has had their seasoned.
Yeah.
You want somebody that has had victories.
You want to see somebody that's been consistent.
Yeah.
You want to see somebody that has overcome things.
Somebody that maybe even potentially has what it is that you desire.
Not just necessarily like, you know, we talk about mentors.
I think mentors and accountability partners sort of go hand in hand, but I almost say
that they're also a little bit different.
The mentor is more of, I'm going to pull stuff from you and I'm going to learn from you and
gleam from you.
Accountability, I consider it like a really just a friend that will come and love you
enough to smack you if they have to.
But somebody that at the same time knows what you're capable of, knows the potential of
heaven that lives inside of you.
Not just a willy nilly dream.
Yeah.
Well, Dina, you always say that everybody's got the potential of heaven.
Well, it's because they do.
Not everybody has the same gift though.
See, that's the difference.
That's what everybody gets caught in.
Well, I don't, my gift doesn't look like your gift.
I didn't say that.
I said you have the potential of heaven and the potential of heaven is vast.
God is multifaceted.
Kind of back to the conversation with Gabri, that's something that I'd even told her.
I said, why are you trying to plastic something or look like something somebody else looks
like when literally you're almost like shielding off a beautiful facet of what God is by trying
to blend with everybody else around you.
So you want to be like that kind of accountability.
Somebody that says, don't, don't try to be like everybody else.
And to a degree, I would make the case for not all of your accountability partners, but
at least one or two accountability partners to kind of be on the same level as you.
I agree with that.
You know, so yes, it's good to grab that seasoned vet, that person that's a bit ahead of you
in the race, but it's also good to grab somebody that's right alongside of you.
So you can, so as you're battling, they're battling, you know, so you two can battle
together and figure this out together because, you know, oh, hey, I might, you know, I'm
stuck on lesson one, you know, oh, well, I did pretty good on lesson one.
I can help you, but I'm struggling on lesson two.
Oh, let me check it out.
Oh yeah, I'm pretty good at that.
So it's like, so finding those, those partners that you can go along with, you know, cause
in a way that's kind of what we are doing right now because I've never been married
10 and a half years and you've never been married 10 and a half years.
We've never had an 18 year old and an eight year old.
So we're learning this together.
It's true.
You know, so in a way we're each other's same time, same level accountability partner.
What do you think babe?
What are you talking about?
I showed up at the same time you did.
Right, right.
Hey, you remember when we did this?
Yeah, that was before me.
Yeah, we do.
I do that a lot.
But it's fun.
It is fun.
So it is.
So yes, it's good to have, you know, so it's almost good to have multi-layered accountability
partners because when I was talking about that, I even thought we need accountability
partners that are, that are behind us.
That you can pour into.
Yeah, absolutely.
And the fact that you see them going.
Yeah.
Encourages you.
You're right.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that.
So yeah, so it's, it's, it's good to grab a multi-level accountability group.
That's beautiful.
Allow the Holy Spirit obviously to lead you.
Oh yes, definitely.
Number one.
I mean, I, I love that though.
So hopefully, like I said, hopefully this opened up a little bit more of the conversation
and gave a little bit extra information and just some practical things that you guys can
do and use.
Yes.
So is that good?
That was, that was great.
Okay.
Thank you.
Awesome.
I love you, babe.
I love you.
All right guys.
Have the best week.
Thank you.