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Hello and welcome back to another episode of Upfront and Undivided with Luke and Dean'na.

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Hi babe.

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Hi babe.

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How's it going?

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It's good.

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How are you?

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I'm good.

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Do you want to tell the at home audience how you're feeling?

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Not well.

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Okay.

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I do not feel well, but I am here.

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Yes.

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And you summed it up beautifully today because I'm looking at you and I'm desperately like

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trying to have a conversation with our children.

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The beautiful thing is literally everybody but you had the day off today.

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Yes.

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But even with you having the day off, it's like you're down here in your office and so

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everybody's home.

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Yes.

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I've changed my clothes, but I think for the most part, everybody's still in their PJs.

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Everybody's just still kind of, you know what I mean?

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And I had great ideas of grandeur.

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Yes.

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Started off really strong.

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I woke up like I was ready.

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Let's go.

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Let's do things.

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I was going to say, I remember.

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I didn't get started as early as I wanted to, but I still like, it was like almost 730

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when I was getting moving.

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We were rested.

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Yeah.

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You're like, yeah, I'm ready to get up.

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Go ahead.

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Turn on your side of the light.

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Go ahead and turn off the fan.

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I'm like, all right.

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Yeah.

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Let's go.

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Let's go.

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So I get maybe an hour into the day, which I always get frustrated because I'm like,

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I need to just, my workout needs to be my very first thing because I'm like, it just

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needs to be.

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Yeah.

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Because within an hour of being awake, like all of a sudden I'm going, what is that?

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What, like you hear it in me, but I've been sounding like this for a couple of days.

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Yeah.

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And I'm looking at you going, I just, it's that space where you like, I just want to

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throw up.

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Just let me throw up once.

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I'll be all right.

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But it just, it's like, and you, you said it's like, what do you say?

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It's like a battery powered car.

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Yeah.

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It's like a remote controlled car where the, you know, when, when the battery is fully

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charged, you can zip and you can turn and you can do all the tricks.

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And when the battery gets low, you get in spurts or you're just sluggish.

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Yeah.

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Like I was like, okay.

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Because I had Christmas cards I was going to do and I had, I was going to help with

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you finishing the devotion.

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And then I was like, Ooh, I want to make Christmas cookies.

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I want to get creative and I want to learn how to do things.

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Like I was all excited.

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Yeah.

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I got two Christmas cards done.

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Good job.

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Thank you.

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I think that's it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I, our dishwasher has broken.

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It's broke.

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It's officially broke.

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Um, I discovered that the dishes that were in the dishwasher today were not clean, that

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apparently it broke before it could do the last load.

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And I think that's on me.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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Um, so I opened it to mold and penicillin like stuff.

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So that should have helped heal you.

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You know, you would have thought.

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And um, so I, I had enough energy to, to the dishes cause our girls like, what are you

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making for dinner mom?

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And I was like, I will cook if you wash the dishes knowing that we are our dishwasher

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is kaput.

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Yes.

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And it's like, Oh, I'll make tokyo.

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I'll just go ahead and make some toketos mom, which basically that pulls them out of the

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freezer, throw them in the oven and then you're done.

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Which is fine.

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It's like the Brown and serve roles for Thanksgiving.

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It's fine.

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So, um, so yeah.

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And then, uh, I tried eating a little bit more.

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Uh, you've been very good to me.

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You made me some protein today, made myself and Gabri some protein today.

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And um, Sebastian does his ramen and his stuff, but like I, I started eating, telling you

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about like some of the stories from Gabri's world and just from just stuff that I was

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thinking about.

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And you were like, this would be a really good podcast.

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Let's talk about that.

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And so here we are here we are.

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And I'm trying to do my best to have all the energies, all the energies.

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I'm like, I will get on the treadmill when we get done with this.

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No.

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And I, I have just determined that probably some of what's going on.

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Cause I talked to my besties, right?

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Talk to some of them today.

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They're like, you're right.

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How you doing?

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What's going on?

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And, um, for those that listen to in the real, um, know that I last Tuesday I had my MRI

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for my breast.

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I, Heather and I made all the fun comments and cracked all the jokes and talked about

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eggs, like all the things.

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And then tomorrow is my followup.

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And so I can't be not feeling good, but at the same time I'm like part of me goes, I

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wonder if maybe part of this is what that is.

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Just not that I picked anything up from the hospital, but you and I have both learned

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that I have a certain thing about me that when my body even remotely stresses, I'm not

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stressed in a space of there's a fear.

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Even if they did find something, you and I would be fine.

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We would be like, it's no big deal.

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What do we do next?

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What's the next step?

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But I think that there's always just that little thing inside me that just goes, cause

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my body kind of starts running down about the time that these things kind of show up

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on the scene.

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And I think it's one of those things that it's not necessarily to kind of go on the,

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it probably is stress, but it's one of those things that it's not, it's kind of back to

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the not all stress is bad.

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No, no.

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Because stress is what helps keep us alive in some degrees.

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And it helps with that fight or flight response and all.

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And so it's like, but it is.

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I'm just going to say I don't have fight or flight.

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I just have a lay down and just, I'm going to take a nap.

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Fight flight or nap.

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You know, but it is, it's that, you know, again, it's, you know, because even if it

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is it's that, you know, that degree of holding your breath.

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That's a good analogy.

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You're coming up with, you really are being able to explain me better today than me explaining

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me.

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But, but it is.

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It's that degree of holding your breath because I mean, we could break down the physiology

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of, you know, if you're not breathing right, you're not going to be living right.

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And you know, at times like this, when it's just, you know, even, even though we know

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that the test results are going to be negative, you know, they're, they're not going to find

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anything, but it's just, it is, it's that I know everything's fine.

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I'm just waiting for them to say everything's fine.

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And, and even that pause, you know, because again, it was, you know, Tuesday was the MRI.

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This upcoming Tuesday, which is tomorrow while we record is going to be the reading of the

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results.

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And so it is, it's that, you know, because nobody will tell you at the MRI, oh yeah,

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everything looks fine.

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I didn't see anything.

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They can't say that because, you know, they have to wait for somebody special that has

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been, you know, the anointed one to read the results of the MRI.

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And then they pull out the scroll of truth and oh, yes, we found nothing.

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Okay, cool.

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Thanks.

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And then we're in the midst of holiday season.

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We're trying to do the Christmas stuff and get this.

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It is pre winter.

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It is pre winter.

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That was the best reel ever.

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It is pre winter.

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It is not winter yet, but it is pre winter.

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And we're just getting ready for that.

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And we're in, in like, you, like I kind of alluded to, like we, we are in the, in the

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space of finishing up the last of that devotional.

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And now we're in the process of how do we go about it?

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Who do we go through?

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How do we price it?

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All the things, the stuff that just.

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It's like the business side.

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The business side of the world of the things.

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But it's good.

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Yes.

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So, but it's good.

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It's really good.

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And I, and all I can think of is in these kinds of moments, especially when I do not

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feel good, I always think how much I appreciate you just simply because you, you are, you're,

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you take very good care of me.

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And there's days where you're like, I didn't do anything.

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I'm like, I think you don't understand when I say, when you take care of me, you don't

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insist that I take care of everything else and do all the things you, you're not a taskmaster

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whenever like, oh, you're fine.

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Just get up and know you're fine.

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I really know I don't feel good, but I will.

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So you don't do that to me.

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You actually do let me rest and I do appreciate that.

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You're welcome.

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Appreciate that.

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So what are we talking about today?

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You're going to do a lot of the talking.

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I will do my best.

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This is wearing me out.

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I hear you.

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It's probably going to be a short one then.

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And that's okay.

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Because, because, because again, it could, it could be a single bite or it could be a

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full meal.

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Our goal is to have a filling experience at the table.

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That was cheesy.

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That was cheesy.

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I like you though.

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That's cute.

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She used to sound good.

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But we're going to talk about transparency today.

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Yes.

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Because sort of a backstory to this, we were, we were talking and because again, we, we

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talk about this a lot and we talk about relationships a lot.

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One of the things that we were talking about one day was in a way it kind of has to deal

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with your past.

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And I was trying to write this out.

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I was, I was going back and forth about, you know, we were going back and forth about putting

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this as a, as a week of the devotional.

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And I, I think I want to scrap it and we'll just, we'll just talk about it as a podcast

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episode and not put it in the devotional.

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Or maybe surprise, surprise.

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Or maybe surprise, you know, always looking forward to feedback.

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But I think, but what, what this was, what this started off was, was everybody's got

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a past.

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You know, you know, some people before they get married, they, they've had, they've, they've

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had the experience of, you know, they've always known Jesus and they, they've, they've never

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been with anybody else and you know, the person they marry is, is they're one and only forever

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and always.

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Yeah.

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You know, there are others that have lived through all the ups and downs of life's craziest

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rollercoaster and you know, and not that one is better than the other, not that, you know,

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you know, cause, cause a lot of times it's like, I hear these stories of people that

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have gone through the wringer in life that have, you know, lived all the crazy experiences

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and you know, been in the bottom of the bottom and it's, you know, it's like, I always want

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to hear that as a cautionary tale to people that have not gone through that.

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Especially when it comes to walking in faith, because I don't want people that are feeling

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mediocre in their faith to hear those stories and think, Oh, I have to go down this tragic

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path in order to walk closer with God.

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It's like, no, no, you don't.

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You really don't.

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I promise.

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Right.

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I mean, we've, we've got people, we've got people in our lives that have lived that.

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Like I always think of Papa Charlie and Mama Karen.

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Like they, you know, like I know that they, and Mama Karen, if I have this wrong, please

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correct me.

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She will.

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And I think that my understanding is like, Charlie wasn't raised in like a Christ-filled

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church or Christ-filled family.

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I think either one of them were, but they found Jesus like at very young, kind of early

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on or at least teens, twenties.

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And then that's when they finally kind of came together.

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One of the horse riding people that were with them was like kind of a pastor mentor person.

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I love hearing that story.

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Isn't that the sweetest story?

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We got a chance to see her.

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We're just going to go hang out and ride horses together and fall in love.

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And fall in love.

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That's so sweet.

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It's the sweetest story ever.

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But they're each other's one and only, right?

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Like kind of situation.

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There might've been dating.

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I think, I think that was correct, right?

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Yeah.

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They both had dated somebody before, but not anything like to hear from Karen.

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Like, she's like, yeah, she completely blew a guy off and like, no, I like this guy.

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Yeah.

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And then the pastor like set her up with some guy and she was like, yeah, he's okay.

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah.

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So, so if we embellish that or if we got it completely wrong, Karen, we're sorry.

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But it was, the fact is that they were together for so long, like literally just kind of their

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one and only.

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It's the same story that like our daughter will have.

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That's what she desires and that's what she will have.

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Our son will have that also.

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And we are very blessed with people that like in our church, some of the young adults, different

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ones that have literally lived that, which is a blessing.

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We have not, you know, like I, or I think of Kayla and Hunter, right?

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Like they are like each other's one and only.

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And there's these beautiful, beautiful stories.

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I know that you said one isn't better than the other.

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I will actually disagree.

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I will say being with Jesus constantly is always going to be better than the other.

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It just is.

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It just is.

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I do hear what you're saying, but man, like to know that you didn't have to go through

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the same rigmarole and the heartache and the drama and the stuff like that we did.

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And then our favorite joke all the time being, but it's serious.

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We're serious when we say it, of the reason why our marriage is so good now is because

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we learned fairly early on in our previous lives how to do marriage badly, how to do

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relationships badly.

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At the beginning of our marriage, it was a little rocky, but like we had a good, I think

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we had enough sound footing that helped us get through the rocky to where we could get

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onto the solid ground.

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Yes.

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And I think kind of that part is what I really wanted to talk about today.

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Because again, it's one of those things that... And people could take this kind of what

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I'm going to go at.

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People can take it to outside of relationships and outside of marriage and just normal walk

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with God.

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But it's like with that past in mind, I think it's very important that we do have that transparency

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at the beginning of a relationship, preferably before you get married.

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Or if it has to wait until after you're married, that's fine, that's how it happens.

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But it's that level of transparency of here's my past.

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It's kind of like the here's what you're getting when you get me type thing.

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You know, again, not to... And I know some of the stories, some people could be intimidated

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by it, some people could feel embarrassed of, oh my gosh, I'm telling this person my deepest,

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darkest secret.

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And it's like it's not what that is for, but it's similar to how we want to expose everything

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to the light of Jesus.

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And we want God to cover and wash us with his blood.

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And so it's like, so everything is made news, everything is made clean.

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And it's like, in a way, that's what we're doing with our spouses, with our future spouses,

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is we're sitting here saying, I want there to be no secrets between us.

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I want everything to be out in the open.

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But there's also that level of, I can tell you all the dark that I've been through without

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showing you all of the dark that I've been through.

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Because I think back to some of our stories, especially some of my stories, it's like,

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I'll tell you enough of what I've been through, what I've done, what I've seen.

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And it's like, I don't have to... Go into the major details.

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Yeah, I don't have to paint all the details.

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I don't have to be that, like when you're looking at a picture of something, the photorealism,

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it's like, it's not abstract, but it's not photorealism.

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So it's like, but it's... It's enough.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's enough.

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And it's like, that's what you want to do.

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Because there's two illustrations that I had in my mind when we were talking about this.

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Originally the concept, kind of the idea I had of this was, for people that do have a

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lot of stuff in their past, or even just a little stuff in their past, it's almost like,

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the stuff you've done is all put into a file cabinet.

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And I think there's a lot of people that what they try to do is, they have this file cabinet

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of stuff that they've done, especially if they weren't Christian.

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It's like, here's the stuff that I did in my past life, before I knew Jesus, here's

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what I did.

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And I'm just going to shove a bunch of Jesus stuff into this file cabinet.

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So the Jesus stuff will cover the bad stuff that I did.

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And I'm just going to shut the file cabinet and know that that's my Jesus covers.

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There's a bunch of Jesus stuff in there, and there's some other stuff in the back that's

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crumpled and covered, and it's okay.

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But I think what's not good with that, not best practice, if you will, is, yes, you're

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putting a bunch of Jesus in there.

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You're filling your head with a bunch of Jesus.

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You're filling your heart with a bunch of Jesus, but you're not actually dealing with

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the stuff that you did.

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You're not dealing with the multiple partners you had, the paganism, the junk, the trauma.

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And then the other illustration that I had was, we are meant to, with our past and all

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that, and what we've done in our lives, we're meant to clean it with the blood, not cover

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it with the wool of the lamb.

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Because when I was doing an illustration, it was like, I can sit there and I can put

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it out on the table and I can show you and say, here's what I've done.

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Here's who I was.

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Or I can say, well, everything I did was on this piece of paper and I put it under this

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box that has Jesus stuff and it's there.

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It's on the table.

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And it's like, because we're not dealing with it.

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I think that there are some things that do just kind of go away.

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Like, we know that there, we know the power in the blood.

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We genuinely, you and I genuinely know the power of the blood of Christ.

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Our lives are a testimony.

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That being said, I would also say the reason why we know to such gravity and to such depths

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is because we have opened up our file cabinets, literally flip them upside down, let them

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hit the floor and say, okay, so this is what I did.

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This is who I have been.

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This is what I have done.

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These are the players in my story.

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This is all this stuff.

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And then allowed the Holy Spirit to not just the forgiveness of our sins, the forgiveness

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of our failings, our shortcomings.

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It's been the Holy Spirit coming in and saying, let's cut away the soul ties.

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Let's disentangle your thought system.

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Let's go ahead and heal those holes that are in your heart because you've given pieces

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away of who you are.

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Let's go ahead and start washing off those fingerprints of all the people and the partners

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and the things and the trauma.

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Let's start dealing with some of these things.

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And he's so gentle and he's so kind and he's so good, but he's also, he's a jealous God.

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And it makes me think of what is that line in Narnia where he's talking.

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What is it?

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When they're asking, when one of the children is asking about Aslan and he's like, is he

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good?

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It's like, he's dangerous, but he's good.

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Or is he gentle or kind or something?

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But they're asking about the line.

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He's dangerous, but he's good.

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But he's good.

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And that's what I think of when it comes to the things of God, because a lot of times

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people go, well, dangerous, dangerous is horrible or aggressive or whatever, just ferocious,

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fierce, right?

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These are very intense words.

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They're like, oh gosh.

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And I'm like, no, the lion of Judah, that's like who you want into your space.

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You want somebody that is going to fight for you because he knows the adversary that's

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coming for you.

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He knows the one that's wanting to literally still kill and destroy.

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He knows the one that wants to keep you in your file cabinet and keep you covered in

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your chaos and in your sin.

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He's not going to pull punches.

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He's going to go after the jugular of the enemy of your soul.

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And when we as the people of God, especially when it comes to our spouses and the relationships,

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even with our children, when we step into that space and we say, you will not have,

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you will not have my family, you will not have my marriage, you will not have my children,

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you will not have my friends.

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Sunday I think of when we had the sermon and I was talking about the bio dome and this

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kind of ties into what you're talking about because if we stay in a shallow space, if

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we don't allow the roots to go deep because the reason why the roots aren't going deep

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in a relationship, well, why can't we seem to hit, we keep hitting a certain space guys,

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like we can't seem to get really deep in our relationship.

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Well, what have you been covering under the surface?

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What is underneath the surface that might be keeping you from going into those deep

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spaces because you got to do some digging.

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You got to go in and say, why do I respond the way that I do?

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Man, every time you say this, babe, this seems to trigger me.

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Every time you do this, babe, this seems to, right?

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And it's like, maybe find out what it is.

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Get it exposed so that way it can be dealt with and so that freedom can start coming

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and your relationship can become stronger.

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And I think back a lot to my walk with God now versus how I was raised because I was

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raised Catholic and there are like, it's like, I don't want to sit here and say it's like

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there are different rules, but there were different rules and there were different ways

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that we did things.

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Because I know that now I can go to God and I can be like, God, I sinned, I messed up,

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I want to do better.

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I truly am sorry.

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Please forgive me.

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I want to move on.

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Let's move past this.

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And God's pretty much like, hey, you asked for forgiveness.

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Cool.

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Done.

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Books closed.

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Let's go on.

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Let's go forward.

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And it's like, the way I was raised was when you asked for forgiveness, you actually had

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to go to a priest and it was called confession.

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And it was, side note, that's why it was always really confused because they're like, make

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a confession of God.

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And I'm like, but that's what you do when you sin.

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Why are we talking about sitting when declaring what God is to you?

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So yeah, I always have trip up on that word.

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But yeah, so in confession in the Catholic church, it's like, you are encouraged to name

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all of your sins and how many times you did it.

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And it's like, if you didn't, it's like you're almost taught.

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And that it is, it's basically how you're taught, raised, whatever you want to call

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it.

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If you name that specific sin in confession, then you're not going to be forgiven of that

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sin.

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So it's like, you're almost taught of when you're listing your things at the very end

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of, well, that's all I can think of, but I might have forgotten something.

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You know, I poked a badger three times.

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I had 16 lustful thoughts.

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I punched my sibling 14 times and, you know, yeah.

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So it's very different.

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But yeah, yeah.

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So it's like, but again, it's just, I say that to say, you know, with all of this, you

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know, again, it's not that we have to be specific when we're talking to our spouses, our future

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spouses or to God with, I've messed up in my life.

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I want to do better.

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I want to be better.

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I want to go forward being better with you.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, boom, blank slate, let's go.

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You know, you don't have to sit here and, you know, again, when we got together and

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we were talking about our past, we weren't recounting every single episode of every single

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bad thing that we've done with each other.

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We probably would still be having that conversation and probably wouldn't be married yet.

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Possibly.

486
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:52,440
But I know that we also exposed a lot of things that we did to be exposed.

487
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,560
We did talk about a lot of stuff that had to be exposed.

488
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:01,000
There were definitely things that needed to be talked about.

489
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:09,840
And I think that that's the part that we're getting at, that allowing yourself to be transparent

490
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,960
enough with your spouse to say, this is what I'm struggling with.

491
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,240
This is what I'm dealing with.

492
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200
You know, even things that don't even quite make sense.

493
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Like, well, why are you thinking that right now?

494
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,920
I don't know.

495
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,120
It's just, this is what I'm dealing with.

496
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,120
It's weird.

497
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,400
I don't, there's nothing there.

498
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:35,360
I don't even understand, but this seems to be the battle that I'm battling right now.

499
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:41,360
When what we get to be as spouses and as each other's helpmates, we get to come alongside

500
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,260
and say, well, guess what?

501
00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:46,340
You don't get to battle it by yourself now.

502
00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:56,400
This is now something that we get to come together and we get to speak the name of Jesus

503
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,400
over.

504
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:04,080
This is something that we get to pull down the strongholds and call down heaven and ask

505
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,720
God to give us direction, give us wisdom.

506
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,040
How do we handle this father?

507
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:17,240
How, you know, because we've got friends, we've had people that have even come on here

508
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:23,320
and like we've had people that have talked about like battles with pornography.

509
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,280
We've had other people that are battles with, you know, lust, but battles with other, right?

510
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,640
Like just other things.

511
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:39,680
And it wasn't dealt with to the capacity that it could have been dealt with until the other

512
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,960
spouse knew.

513
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,960
Yeah.

514
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,520
Until it was brought to the light, until it was brought out of the filing cabinet.

515
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,520
Yeah.

516
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,640
Until, you know, it's like you could, the one spouse could claim Jesus and cover it

517
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,960
with Jesus all day long.

518
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,800
And again, thank you father for your blood.

519
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Thank you for that, right?

520
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,800
Thank you for the covering.

521
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:07,320
Ultimately, it's like, do you want to be healed or do you want to be made whole?

522
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,320
Right?

523
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Like, do you want to be healed of this?

524
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,280
Yeah, I want to be healed of this.

525
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,280
Okay.

526
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,280
But do you want to be whole?

527
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,960
Like, do you want to be restored?

528
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Because being healed is one thing.

529
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Like it's still there.

530
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,720
The evidence is kind of there.

531
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,720
It's still, it has residue.

532
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Like, okay, well, I've been healed of this, but I still have that.

533
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,920
When you become whole, like your whole being becomes restored, your thought process, the

534
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:38,240
way you respond, your actions, your reactions, like those buttons that the enemy has had

535
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:44,360
play in for so long, they start becoming disengaged.

536
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:52,560
It's walking in that kind of freedom, not having a fear or a concern that when your

537
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,840
spouse is out of your presence, that they may be doing something or thinking of something

538
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,320
or talking to somebody or whatever, all of the things.

539
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Like there is a genuine freedom and a wholeness and a healing that comes to everybody involved.

540
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Yeah.

541
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,280
Yeah.

542
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,280
That's true.

543
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,720
That's so true.

544
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:20,280
Because it is, it's, you know, even with the filing cabinet and trying to shove all the

545
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,560
Jesus, you know, it's almost like you're trying to do all the Jesus knowledge and you're trying

546
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,880
to check off all the boxes of, look at me, I'm a good Christian.

547
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,560
And you know, I've done this and I've done this good deed and I've done this good deed

548
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,160
and I learned this and I went to this class and I got this certification.

549
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,360
And it's like, but did you talk to God about it?

550
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:49,560
You know, did you, I appreciate that you took your notebook and you wrote all these really

551
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,600
great, really, really great things.

552
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:58,440
But did you show God the inside of the front cover of here's how I grew up.

553
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,520
You know, here's what I was called when I was a kid.

554
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,420
I don't want to be called that anymore.

555
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:10,720
You know, and because God can do that, you know, God can do that restoration.

556
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,720
God can make you whole.

557
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,760
You know, it's like, I don't know why I'm going off into this tangent, but I am.

558
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,920
It's like, God did it.

559
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,320
I'm going to mess it up.

560
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,200
God did it for Jacob.

561
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,200
Okay.

562
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,200
You know, and you know, cause, cause, you know, they, they said Jake, Jacob was, you

563
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,000
know, trickster and fraudster and tricked his brother out of his inheritance for a bowl

564
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:49,160
of soup, you know, disguised himself with the help of his mother to steal his, his brother's

565
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,920
birthright.

566
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:58,760
You know, and, and had a dream where he was wrestling with the angel of God and said,

567
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,320
God, I can't beat you.

568
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,960
I'm not going to give up.

569
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,640
I need you to change me.

570
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,360
I need you to change my name.

571
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,600
Yeah.

572
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,680
And so, I'm not leaving here until you touch me.

573
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,400
You know, it's, it's like, I want to fight this out with God.

574
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,400
Yeah.

575
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,800
I'm not going to give up.

576
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,800
Yeah.

577
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,920
But I need you to beat me.

578
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,720
I need you to win.

579
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:25,720
Yeah.

580
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:34,280
And he said, okay, from now on, you will walk with a limp and you will now be called Israel.

581
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,440
And people will know that you have been in my presence.

582
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Yeah.

583
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,440
You know?

584
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,440
Yeah.

585
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Yeah.

586
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,440
And we hear all these stories.

587
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560
We celebrate all these stories.

588
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,760
Yeah.

589
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,960
And then we sit here and think, I was too promiscuous in my past.

590
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,680
I could never be great.

591
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,140
I could never, not even great.

592
00:34:55,140 --> 00:35:00,840
I was too, I was too much of a sinner when I was a teenager, when I was in my twenties,

593
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,680
that I can now no longer be good in the eyes of God.

594
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,400
I will never be able to have a healthy marriage.

595
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,400
Yes.

596
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,400
Yeah.

597
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,400
Because I have too much stuff.

598
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,400
Right?

599
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Right?

600
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,400
And that's...

601
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,400
It's a lie.

602
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,400
It's a lie of the enemy.

603
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,400
Yes.

604
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,400
It is.

605
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,520
It's a lie of the enemy.

606
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,520
And I do, I hear all these stories and I do my best to read all these stories.

607
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:33,400
And it's like, it's so, the Bible makes it seem so simple.

608
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,400
Yeah.

609
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,400
And it really, really is.

610
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,400
You know?

611
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Yeah.

612
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,400
It really is.

613
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,400
It really is.

614
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,600
God, I don't want to give up.

615
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Yeah.

616
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,600
But I need you to win.

617
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,760
Man.

618
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:58,080
And we're so, we as humans are so afraid to say that.

619
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,080
Man.

620
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,080
Man.

621
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Crap.

622
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Man.

623
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Yeah.

624
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,200
Don't know where that came from, but there you go.

625
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,160
It's good.

626
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,320
So it really is that easy, folks.

627
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:25,480
It really is that easy to just say, God, I was a bonehead.

628
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,700
Yeah.

629
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:30,120
I want to be better.

630
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:36,920
Don't just cover my sins, my past, my flaws with your blood, but wash me clean.

631
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,400
Yeah.

632
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Replace my blood with your blood.

633
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,400
Yeah.

634
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Yeah.

635
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400
I need you to win.

636
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Yeah.

637
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,400
God, I need you to win.

638
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,400
Yeah.

639
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,640
I'm not going to give up, but I need you to win.

640
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,600
Because I think it's that first part that's important, because how many people are like,

641
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,240
I'll just give up and I'll just sit here and I'll let God win.

642
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,800
It's like, no, you have to be an active participant in this.

643
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,760
You have to, have to, have to be an active participant.

644
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,760
Yeah.

645
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,760
Wrestle it out with him.

646
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,760
Yes.

647
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,760
Yeah.

648
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,760
Go deep.

649
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,760
Find out the reasons.

650
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,080
Like, I'm sure the reason why he was, he's like, I do not want to be the same person

651
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,840
when I leave here.

652
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,200
I do not want, and I don't, and that's going to look different for everybody.

653
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,600
Every one of us has got some sort of different something, but it's, even those that have

654
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:38,000
walked this life literally from birth, literally walking the golden streets and doing the things

655
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:46,440
and being with Jesus, you have to, have to battle this out.

656
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:53,280
It's like, it's an easy thing, but it's not, but it is, but it's not.

657
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,480
Because we have flesh and we have an enemy, but when we know, when we know that we know

658
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:06,600
that we know that we can trust the one that we're battling this out with, it is easier

659
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680
to stand and say, you want me to change this?

660
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,680
All right, good.

661
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,280
Then I'm going to trust you, but I'm going to trust you to help do it.

662
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Because I can't, we've already proven, I can't, I can't do this without you.

663
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:29,720
And then just be raw and transparent and real and then let him win.

664
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:30,720
Yeah.

665
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,240
Bottom line, does it?

666
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:36,240
It's really good, babe.

667
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,240
Thanks, babe.

668
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:42,480
It's like, I almost want to say that was a fun one.

669
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,480
Man.

670
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,480
Did not know that was coming out.

671
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,920
I watched your face.

672
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,080
That's good.

673
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,080
That's good.

674
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,080
Yeah.

675
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,080
All right, guys.

676
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,080
Have the best week.

677
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:21,040
Enjoy the journey.

