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Hello and welcome back to another episode of Upfront and Undivided with Luke and Dean'na.

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Hi.

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Hey babe.

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How's it going?

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It's good.

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How are you?

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I'm good.

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I always look around your office and just, I fixate my thoughts.

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Sometimes I close my eyes, but then there's other times I look around and I go, oh yeah,

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you have that and oh, we were cute when we were at the very beginning and I mean, we're

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still cute.

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We are still cute.

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Yeah.

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I do.

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That's like that picture of the three of us always kind of captures my, you know, my attention

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and I'm like, aw, Gabriel was so tiny.

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So was I.

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So was I.

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You know, we were all tiny.

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You had no beard.

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Nope.

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You just had your little goatee.

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I'll have to maybe take a picture of this and like say, look, see, this is what I'm talking

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about guys.

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This is who we were.

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This is who we are.

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Yes.

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And we, according to our daughter, we've glowed up.

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Yes, we have.

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We have.

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I have to, I will absolutely.

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Cause we just came back from a trip.

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Yes, we did.

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And got to see some families celebrated all the September birthdays.

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Yes.

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And we sat down with my brother and sister-in-law and our daughter always likes to hear stories,

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which is fun and they gave her the one, I guess the one photo album of their wedding

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because they've been married.

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Yeah, from their wedding.

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Yeah, from their wedding.

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They've been married 35 years.

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Yes.

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That's huge.

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Massive.

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That is massive.

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And to know who literally to be somebody that got to sit on the sidelines and watch, you

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know, it's, I have such respect and honor for my brother and sister-in-law cause like

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life has not always been the prettiest for them.

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And the fact that they have decided that they were going to really dig in and just go, you

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know what, this is better or worse, richer or poorer.

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This is what we're doing.

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And I love, I love the fact that, you know, cause they told me the story, not this time,

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but I think one of the last times we saw them, you know, either a couple, few months ago

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or maybe six months ago, whatever.

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And I think, you know, how it's like how they got married in the first place because they

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were talking about it.

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They were, they were both in the army.

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They were both stationed in Germany and they were coming to the States for like her sister's

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wedding.

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Her sister's wedding that fell through.

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And that fell through.

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And so they're like, well, we're here in the States.

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And like your mom was like, well, I guess you got, you guys could get married.

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She was the instigator.

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And they literally threw a wedding together in like a couple, few days.

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I think at tops, it might've been a week, but it was like, well, we're here in the States.

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We weren't going to go to a wedding, but there's no wedding.

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Okay.

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Let's get, let's get you guys get married.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cause it was, you know, it just, they were living together, doing all the things and

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just being all the stuff.

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And it's just, and I know that they kept going back and forth according to Dawn this last

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time when she was talking about like the pair, the paperwork to get married had been taken

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out of the drawer and put in the drawer so many times that it was like all crinkly and

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just whatever.

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But yeah, she's like, butch that out of 35 years, I have never heard that part of the

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story.

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So it was really neat to just sit and listen to people's, you know, like their starts,

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like you know me, I love, I love stories.

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Give me, give me the good.

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I want to, I want to know the goods and the raw, like tell me the real, like tell me the,

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and they are not bashful about telling you what God has done and how like their lives

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should have been blown up several times and their marriage should have been called quits

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on several occasions.

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And, and they just kept saying, no man, like this is, this is what we're doing.

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And so it was fun to, to, I said all that to say the pictures, like Gabri's looking

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through the pictures and then she sees me at 13, my hair is bigger than the rest of

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my body and just, you know, it was eighties guys.

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Like what I, what can I say?

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And I literally look like a Las Vegas, like lounge singer is kind of stupid.

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It's fine.

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It's fine.

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They found out later, you know, while this trip, they were like, well, what did you,

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you know, that outfit.

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And I said, it was actually from my eighth grade prom is what I wore.

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And so I was like, oh, we'll just wear it again.

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And so I was like looking at the picture and put my finger over it and I go, now it looks

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good.

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And Gabri's like, mom, stop.

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And she goes, but you do not look the same.

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And I go, no, I do not.

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I am definitely, I have, I have grown into me.

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I always call it the ugly duckling syndrome.

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I wouldn't have called myself an ugly kid.

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I just, there's nothing, I don't know.

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I don't want to sound like I'm pulling myself apart or down or trying to fish for a compliment.

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I'm not, I just, I just know that I know what God has done in my life.

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I know what I look like even in this picture.

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Like you're, you, you came to the front end of me coming out of the tail end of a bunch

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of mess and to see the life.

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I don't know.

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I look at our lot, our eyes in these pictures and I go, man, like the light literally is,

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is on now where it was just barely flickering, but we've grown a lot.

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We have grown.

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It's we've grown a lot and it's good.

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And it was a good trip.

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Like I said, celebrated the September birthdays and just got to spend time with family.

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Just some good quality time, you know, and we laughed, we played in water, we got sun.

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We laughed.

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Did we cry this trip?

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I don't think so.

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A little bit.

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My sister-in-law did, but it was because of just the heart of gratitude.

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She was just overwhelmed by the goodness of God.

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And again, stories of her and my brother and just going through life.

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My brother, for those that don't know, my brother had, was it stage five or was it stage

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four?

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Stage four.

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Stage four.

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Oh, okay.

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Stage four colon cancer.

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And technically like four B.

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Like, like he was exiting the building guys.

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Like he shouldn't have been here to the point where, what did they say?

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There was a 5% chance or 6% chance that he was even going to make it.

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So, and here he is alive, kick in.

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Cancer free.

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Cancer free.

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Almost, almost five, six, seven.

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How are, where are we?

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Is it seven years?

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Somewhere in there.

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Seven, eight.

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Sure, he'll correct us.

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Anyway, yeah, he'll correct us.

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It's fine.

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So Bobby, if you're listening to this, remind us, but it's fine.

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It's one of those where he's alive and kicking and there's residue that he's still having

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to deal with.

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But the fact is that he's not given up.

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He's stubborn like that.

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And we're grateful he's stubborn like that.

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Yes, we are.

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And it's, it's good.

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So family's good for the soul.

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Most of the time.

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I'm just going to say family's good for the soul.

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I'm not going to give it any other thing.

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It's just, it was good.

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We came back refreshed.

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We came back really excited about laying back down in our bed.

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And just being home.

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There's no place like home.

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So yeah.

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What were you laughing about?

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You kind of giggled for a second.

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Did I?

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A little bit.

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I don't remember.

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I'm sure it was probably something.

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I mean, it's always something.

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I don't, I mean, I do sometimes giggle for no reason.

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Do you randomly laugh just for no reason?

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I don't think so.

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No.

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It's usually because some random thoughts come into my head.

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A lot of times it's like, it's hard.

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It's one of those things that's like my brain has inside jokes for my brain.

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It's like the compartments.

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It's like, you know, like one, one, one little brain cell from one cubicle will run over

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to another cubicle and tell an inside joke and then run back to his own cubicle.

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I literally could see that in my head.

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Yeah, you're welcome.

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So next time you giggle, I'll be like, so what were your coworkers giggling about?

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What were your cubicle characters doing?

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That's funny.

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And again, it's sometimes I don't even remember.

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I don't even realize what's going on.

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I'm not mad about it.

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I think you're cute, babe.

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Thanks.

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So what are we talking about today?

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So I think it's, it's kind of fun that we talked about that.

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But one of the things I want to talk about is I know we talk about, I know we talk about

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a lot of stuff in our podcast and in our lives and with our friends.

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And I kind of want to just, for some of the people that are new to the party or some of

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the people that are, that have been here for a while, you know, I just, you know, kind

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of that refresher of why do we do what we do?

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You know, and it's, you know, because we're, you know, just, just with this project, you

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know, the, the upfront and undivided, you know, we're, we're doing, we're doing the

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podcast we're working on.

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You're working on a devotional.

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Yes.

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You know, you're working on a little mini book.

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Yes.

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, that's right.

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You know, you're working on the mini book based on our last episode of take your vitamins.

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Yes.

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You know, we, we are thinking about, you know, adding cameras to the studio here.

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We're thinking about adding a shop so that we could, you know, sell t-shirts and merch

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and stuff like that, you know, just trying to, to help get our name out there.

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And, and, you know, if people want to support our stuff or, you know, if we come up with

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a really cool idea, you know, we can, we can put that on a t-shirt and sell encouragement,

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so to speak, or just give encouragement out to, to wherever.

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But it is, it's just, you know, why are we?

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Why do we sit in my basement office and talk into microphones, not to anybody in particular?

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But why do we do this?

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Why do we talk?

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And, you know, I had this thought earlier and, and I know you know what I'm going to

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say, but I'll, I'll say it out there, you know, to, to kind of get raw and real, you

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know, there, there are times that we, we hear stories.

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There are times that we think of situations, you know, because we do, we see, we see what's

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out in the world, we see what's in the church, we see what's around us, you know, we, we

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talk to coworkers, we talk to friends, family, we see social media, you know, we, we see

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how people talk and, you know, we see the movies, the TV, the politics, and it's our

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own lives, our own lives, you know, and there are times where we do, there are times we

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want to just, we almost get this feeling of, well, we have a platform, we should, we should

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correct people and we should tell them what they're doing wrong and we should kind of

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like slam them, so to speak, and, and okay, you guys are wrong, this is what you need

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to do.

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Right.

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But it's, but it's then, it's like we have that knee-jerk reaction, but we don't actually

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record that reaction.

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You know, we never want to come off like that.

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We don't, you know, because we, we do, we want to, from day one, we've always wanted

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to be encouragement.

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We've always wanted to not be the ones that give advice, but maybe provide ideas to start

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the conversations in your own relationships, in your own families.

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Because, you know, it's, it's not so much the, this is what you need to do, more have

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you thought about it this way?

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You know, it's, it's the, I don't know, it's, it's like, there are times where it's like

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we do kind of get like upset at a situation or a mindset.

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You know, but it's, it's never, you know, we never want to come across as, as saying,

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you know, well, you did, you did it X way.

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So you're wrong.

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Right.

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You know, or, or you have this mindset.

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So therefore your, your marriage is going to fail because you have that mindset.

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It's like we, we do our best not to do that.

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We do our best to, to never come across that way.

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You know, a, we don't want to, we don't like being negative.

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No, not at all.

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You know, even when we're, we're getting down on ourselves, we don't like being negative.

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But also again, like I said, we want to provide encouragement.

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We want to, yes, we might not show like all the real that happens in our lives, but we

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do a pretty good job of saying, you know, Hey, here's what's been going on in our lives.

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And you know, Hey, we didn't get back to, you know, last week because this was going

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on or Hey, we've been, you know, Dina has been diagnosed with cancer.

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Come with us on the journey.

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Right.

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You know, so it's, you know, so again, it's like,

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we want to be real and we want to show you that not everything about marriage is, is

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hearts and flowers, right?

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But we do want to give, you know, for better or worse, we want to provide an example.

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We want to provide, you know, not, not saying we're the best, right?

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But we at least want to want to provide an example of what could be done of what could

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happen.

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Yes.

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And I know that we literally had somebody walk up to us.

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Was it a couple of weeks ago or was it last Wednesday?

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Last Wednesday.

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And it was a gentleman, his friend of ours.

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And he's like, dude, I didn't even realize you guys had a podcast.

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And now that I'm like plugging in and I'm like picking and choosing different ones that

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I think like, you know, who I'm talking about that might obtain, you know, might pertain

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to me or whatever.

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And he says like, I really like what you guys have to say.

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And he was being very encouraging, very good friend.

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He's he's just precious and the whole family is just precious.

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But what I had said to him was I said, our goal is always just to talk about the thing

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that nobody else wants to talk about.

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We want to we want to bring to light the thing we want to we want to bring to light the thing

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that tries to hide into the closet.

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And that ultimately could cause the demise of whatever relationship, whether it be your

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marriage, whether it be with your children, with coworkers, with people around you, we

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want to expose the thing that would try to take you out.

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And his Do you remember what he just he says, thank you for that.

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Yeah.

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And thank you for that.

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Because it's like, I know that one of the things I kind of really a catalyst was I was

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raised in church all my life.

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You've been raised in church, but again, a different forum.

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But the fact is that I I've been raised in church all my life, and I can genuinely stand

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back and say that there are certain topics that you and I will speak on and talk about

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that that is very much in the Word of God, but the church itself will not talk about.

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And for for whatever reason, again, we do our best to just not be brash and not to be

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critical.

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But it's not even but that being said, we want to be able to look at people and say,

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I'm not scared of this topic.

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I'm not scared of this conversation.

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Because when there's a fear of, you know, well, my spouse cheated on me or well, you

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know, I lost a spouse or I lost a child or I lost this or this had happened.

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Maybe my body doesn't function anymore.

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And just the 90,000 things that we have probably kind of touched on somewhere along the way,

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just just looking at people and saying, you're not an anomaly.

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There's nothing new under the sun.

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God very much knew what was going on.

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If we look back far enough somewhere along the Word of God, we're going to be able to

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find something that where God says something about something else.

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And then we're but then on top of that, we're surrounded by these amazing people in our

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lives that have pushed past the religious barriers and said, I believe God.

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You know, we've got we've got people in our lives that literally have stood the test of

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time and defied every odd.

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I would I would say that my brother and sister-in-law, they're in that they're in that stature in

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my brain.

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Again, me being the one that gets to sit on the sideline and watch.

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Yeah.

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You know, and again, it's like we've we've named several people in our lives before we've

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got the Knowles, we've got the Thomassons, we've got like so many the Weedmans, we've

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got all these men and we've been blessed to have them even come and sit and talk to us.

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And I want excuse me, I want desperately.

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My brother and I were talking over the weekend and it was just he and I and it was really

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late into the night.

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And we were talking just family talk.

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And I finally just said, because he and I are very much I mean, you know, we are family,

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but we're very much cut from the same cloth when it comes to certain things.

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And in the the cloth that I think that we're cut from is the cloth of just be real with

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me.

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Be honest.

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Yeah.

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Be honest with me.

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Be be honest about your failures.

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Be honest about your frailties.

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Be honest with me, because when we're honest with people and when we when we allow the

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light to come on to our weaknesses, what it does is it number one, the the sin or the

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the shortcoming or the fault or the failure.

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Number one, it starts losing its power.

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Yeah.

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But then number two, when it when it's like, here it is, this is what I'm dealing with.

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This is what I'm going through.

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All of a sudden, you're going to see people that go because of the way that you're responding

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based off of the fact that you're still even trying or you're standing, even though they

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may not know the the raw of the groveling and the crying and the the laying in the middle

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of the kitchen floor, kicking like a four year old because you're mad or whatever it

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is, you know, it and even being real about that.

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When we as the people of God say, this is why I need a savior, like this is why I need

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a god.

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This is why I this is why I need people around me to constantly support me and encourage

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me.

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This is why I need to come up to somebody that I can trust that I can fall down in front

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of and they're not going to sit here and go, well, I don't even know what to do and blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, or you should have known better than that.

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Instead, you want people that you can say, hey, this is what I'm struggling with.

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This is what I'm going through.

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And can can you help me walk with this?

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Can you can you expose the works of the enemy?

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Well, you've been a Christian all your life or you've been a Christian for so you should

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have.

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And then we're seeing like in the last, we've been seeing it forever.

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But specifically in the last six months, like these major churches, these major leaders

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that like are falling.

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And it's like, did did anybody was anybody close enough?

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Did they feel like they could be real and raw enough to say, man, like, I'm about to

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lose it.

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I'm really messing up here or I'm dealing with stuff.

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Or if they if they did try to open up and and all were they were they surrounded by

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people that either dismissed it.

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Right.

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Or, no, no, the enemy is just chatting, you know, chattering to you or no, no, it's OK.

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That's not a sin.

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You're fine.

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Right.

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You know, you're just tired.

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Right.

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You know, you know, maybe that's oh, maybe that's the way God's going to move next.

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You know, horrible as that sounds, you know.

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Right.

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But I've heard enough stories.

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I haven't I haven't experienced, but I've heard enough stories.

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It's crazy.

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Of just like, what was it?

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There's I heard a story years, years, years ago of like apparently there was like a group

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of gentlemen that were married that they went to their wives and said basically like, oh,

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we feel like God's calling us to minister to women at strip clubs.

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Shut up.

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Yeah.

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It's like, how do you how do you even get gutsy enough for that?

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You know, and I just wow, you know, and it's like probably nobody called him out.

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Yeah.

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You know, or, you know, somebody somebody told me some pastor told me there was a church

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where all of a sudden, like all the leadership, they were like, oh, yeah, God told us that

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we're supposed to swap wives.

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I do remember that story.

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You know, it's like it's like, no, no, nobody said, hey, I think that's a bad idea.

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I don't think that's biblical.

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Hey, where is this in the word of God?

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Right, right.

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And I think that and that's so that's kind of where we're at.

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We're we're we're in that space of, you know, you have leadership, you have people around

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you, maybe, you know, some authority or you have people above you and and they're saying

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something and there's something inside your spirit that just doesn't it just doesn't hit

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like you're just standing there going, there's just something not right here.

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Like there's just something not okay.

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Yeah.

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Or, you know, you're going through a situation and then you've got people that are looking

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at you going, well, I never could have gone through something like that.

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Well, that's okay.

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You're not going through it, but I am.

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And watch me.

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Yeah.

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Watch what God can do in the midst of this.

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And let us, you know, let us encourage you with the word of God.

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Yes.

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You know, with with the wisdom of the word of God.

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Yes.

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You know, again, not that we're perfect.

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Now we have the answers, but let us get you thinking along those lines.

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Yeah.

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And instead of the the fleshly lines or the worldly lines or the, you know, well, I just

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want to be surrounded by people.

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You know, again, I I've got the example in my head of, you know, there are there are

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good things out there that you that we could do.

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There are a lot of good things that the people of God could do.

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Yeah.

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But if that's not what you're being called to, it's not going to be blessed.

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That's right.

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You know, that's right.

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And again, one of my favorite examples is, you know, going out and feeding the homeless,

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you know.

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Yes.

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Feed the homeless.

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It is a good thing.

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Yeah.

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But to sit there and say, well, that's my calling.

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That's my ministry.

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Because it's a good thing.

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Right.

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It's like, but if if God's called you to, you know, to go be a teacher.

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Right.

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So why are you why are you spending so much time with the homeless and feeding the people

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versus doing what God has told called you to be?

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Right.

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Right.

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I saw a really cool reel.

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It was a musician.

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And he said, too many people.

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Oh, this is kind of a side note, but just I want to say it because it is important that

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too many people say this is my calling.

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This is who I'm supposed to be.

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Or this is what God had told me to do 10, 20, 30 years ago, whatever it is.

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Right.

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And this is what I'm this.

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This is basically this is my identity.

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Right.

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And in the word of God, and I do not know the scripture, but the gentleman actually gave

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scripture and I loved it.

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He says, now, listen, I'm a musician and people would say, oh, you're working out your calling.

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You're actually walking out your calling.

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He says, OK, what happens if my fingers get broken?

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00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,200
Yeah.

489
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,440
And if I lose my voice and I can never sing again, am I no longer walking in my calling?

490
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,400
Am I being out of the line of God?

491
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,760
And he says, what our calling is, is to love God.

492
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:06,280
To because there's going to be people that stand in front of him and he's going to go

493
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,280
depart from me.

494
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,440
I never knew you, but I did all these things in your name, God.

495
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,440
That's great.

496
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,440
But I didn't know you.

497
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,440
Right.

498
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,640
I didn't get to know you.

499
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:27,000
And so don't get caught up in doing so much as opposed to becoming who he is, a relationship

500
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,960
as to having a relationship with him.

501
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:35,480
You know, and so but back to and that's just a real right.

502
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,480
That's just that's a real conversation.

503
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,360
That's it's it's you know, because too many times, you know, that people talk even about

504
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:48,160
like fight for ministry or or this is, you know, I'm a healing ministry or prophetic

505
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,960
or or all of the things.

506
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,240
And I just want to go, I just I'm just a child of God.

507
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,400
I'm I'm a king's kid.

508
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,540
And I'm going to do what he tells me to do when he tells me to do it.

509
00:24:59,540 --> 00:25:04,000
Because if he tells me to go feed somebody today, I'm going to go feed somebody today.

510
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,400
But if he tells me to go prophesy or just to go give a word of knowledge or maybe go

511
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,200
flip over to table tomorrow, then that's what I get to go do.

512
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,760
But ultimately, I want to be so close to his chest that I can literally hear his voice.

513
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,120
And then I just speak what he has me to say.

514
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,600
Yeah, that's that's who we are supposed to be.

515
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,920
Yeah, period.

516
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,320
Everything else is just fluff.

517
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,920
Yeah, right.

518
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,700
Like, just it's just fluff.

519
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:41,800
So if if our identities are getting caught up in, you know, what is your position or

520
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:48,200
the prestige or or even your relationship, you know, with your your spouse, with your

521
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:55,520
family, with the people, if your identity rests in that, reevaluate that identity.

522
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:01,000
Yes, that that gets you get to be one of those people that that's kind of a description of

523
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,720
you, but that is not the definition of you.

524
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,560
So I'm just I'd say that that's probably the number one thing.

525
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:16,320
We just want to remind everybody, you know, we want to remind everybody just be authentically

526
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,320
you.

527
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,880
Be be who God has created you to be.

528
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:27,800
And if this season of the journey is over, then bless it and then be excited for whatever

529
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,120
the next round is.

530
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:34,880
If if you're in the middle of the muck and the mire and some of the heavy in the heart,

531
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,360
then buckle down and know where your source lies, where your help comes from.

532
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,360
It comes from the Lord.

533
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,360
Yeah.

534
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:45,120
You know, ask him to direct you, guide you, give you wisdom.

535
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,920
You know, be real, be be open, be transparent.

536
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,160
You know, that's who we are.

537
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,000
That's who we are.

538
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:59,000
And that's and we're just trying to create a space and almost give people permission

539
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,600
to be those people, too.

540
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Yeah.

541
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,200
And it is you can, you know, it's like I always want to go to, you know, be prepared, you

542
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:15,840
know, you know, like I know kind of in my in in my own personal box and bubble, I, you

543
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,280
know, I look at some of the stuff about, you know, you know, what if what if this happened

544
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,880
and what if this happened in the world and what if that happened in our country and all

545
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,880
that?

546
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Well, I don't ever want to be a prepper, but I want to be prepared.

547
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,200
You know, I want to know what's going on.

548
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,600
I want to be able to handle what's going on.

549
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,160
And it's the same thing with with the kingdom of God.

550
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,880
You know, it's you know, I know there's a lot of people focused on on what's going to

551
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,480
happen when the end comes.

552
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,480
Yeah.

553
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,720
You know, and they they do their best to stockpile and prepare for all that.

554
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,960
But it's like, what if you just instead of focusing on how you're going to deal with

555
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,200
the end, be prepared for what might come tomorrow.

556
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Come on, sir.

557
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:03,400
Be prepared for what might come tonight, because, you know, we can we can all get in the word

558
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,380
of God and we can all, you know, again, we can focus on what does God say?

559
00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:09,380
What is God like?

560
00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:10,380
What does God hate?

561
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:12,280
You know, how does he want us to act to each other?

562
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,320
How does he want us to treat ourselves even?

563
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,320
Yeah.

564
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,200
You know, and we can do all that.

565
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,480
And so that way, we're better prepared for when some of these situations do come up for

566
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,160
for when some of these speed bumps, optical traps, right?

567
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,360
You know, voices of the enemy, you know, all these things, you know, for when they come

568
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:35,680
up, you know, even the opportunities or the good things in life or the, you know, hey,

569
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,680
I want you to speak.

570
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,280
You know, so that way, if you know, my my running joke is, you know, well, what if you're

571
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,760
at church and during worship or something, you know, the pastor or somebody all of a

572
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,120
sudden, you know, grabs a microphone and puts it in your face and said, what do you have

573
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,120
to say about God?

574
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,440
You know, it's like, I don't I don't know.

575
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,680
I don't I have nothing good to say about God.

576
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,680
Well, why not?

577
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,680
Why?

578
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,360
Why do you not have anything good to say about God?

579
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,160
So it's like so it's kind of that, you know, be prepared and fill yourself.

580
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:10,060
And so that way, when these things do come, you're at least have you at least have something

581
00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:15,660
on your you have some kind of foundation for where to to step out and where to start

582
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:17,520
for for when this happens.

583
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Yeah.

584
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:25,400
And and with all that, it reminds me kind of of the you know, and I said this upstairs.

585
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:31,520
It's one of my favorite quotes from I believe it was Mike Tyson that said it.

586
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,560
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

587
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,560
That's it.

588
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,800
You know, so when the enemy does come and punch you in the face, you know, yes, you

589
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,640
can you can be prepared and you can say, oh, man, if I if I was ever, you know, downtown,

590
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,160
and and the enemy came up to me, this is how I would ward him off.

591
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,160
And I'd be awesome.

592
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,560
And I'd be like soldier of Christ.

593
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Bam.

594
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Right.

595
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,000
You know, and it's like you probably won't.

596
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000
You don't know.

597
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Yeah.

598
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Yeah.

599
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,880
You know, it's like it's like with soldiers, you know, no no soldier knows how they're

600
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280
going to react until all of a sudden bullets start flying.

601
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,280
That's true.

602
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,280
That's true.

603
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,120
You know, I a lot of people know this.

604
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,720
I don't know if I've said this on our podcast or not, but it's like I'm on the security

605
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,720
team.

606
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,720
Yeah.

607
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:23,480
I can sit here and work out plans and ideas and talk to my people about, you know, what

608
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,480
if what if something bad happened?

609
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,860
What if there's an active shooter?

610
00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:28,040
What if there's this?

611
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,560
And and as much as we can train and prepare and think about these things through, we're

612
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,640
not going to know how we're actually going to act.

613
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Correct.

614
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,880
Until bullets are flying.

615
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Correct.

616
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,920
You know, until you hear that pop, pop, pop.

617
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,920
Right.

618
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,920
We don't know.

619
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Right.

620
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,920
We don't know what we're talking about.

621
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,920
Right.

622
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,920
Same.

623
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Yeah.

624
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,120
But it's but it's true.

625
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:55,280
But but what I do think is just to piggyback on what you're saying.

626
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,280
Yeah.

627
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,200
One of the things that we can say when it is a spiritual thing, when something is coming

628
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,160
at us, that there's something coming at your marriage, there's something coming at your

629
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,160
children.

630
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,560
Right.

631
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:13,440
What I will say is make sure I think what you're talking about is like the preparation.

632
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,400
It's making sure that foundation is built underneath you.

633
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,560
Yeah, it's it's knowing the word of God.

634
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,920
It's having scriptures that you can stand on.

635
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:29,200
It's it's being able to even maybe step back for just a second.

636
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,680
You know, like one of our favorite scriptures is be quick to listen, slow to speak, quick

637
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,880
to understand and slow to respond.

638
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Yeah.

639
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,200
And you don't have to even respond immediately.

640
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,200
Right.

641
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,320
You know, but even if it comes out raw, if it comes out, what would be considered to

642
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,360
others, very secular or very carnal, like your cousin, like a sailor, trust me, I've

643
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,360
done it.

644
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Yeah.

645
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,520
You know, what you do is you just go, OK, after you're done blowing up and doing whatever

646
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,080
you got to do, even if it's a throw and a fit or if even if it's not even throwing a

647
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,440
fit because in my mind, there is times where I'm screaming.

648
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,120
I'm not throwing a fit.

649
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:20,320
I'm I'm just flat mad, you know, and it's OK because even God says, you know, here's

650
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,200
Christ saying it's OK to be angry.

651
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,200
Just don't sin.

652
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,200
Yeah.

653
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,200
Right.

654
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,200
Like, absolutely.

655
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,320
We tell our daughter like because that is, you know, she gets loud, you know, or she

656
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,600
wants to throw something.

657
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,060
OK, throw something.

658
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:35,440
Just don't sin.

659
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,400
Like maybe be careful what you're throwing and pretty much what you're throwing it at.

660
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,360
But you work it out.

661
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:48,600
You figure it out, you know, and it's it's it's again, giving people permission to be

662
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:54,120
human, giving people permission to have the humanity of Christ, even because he got mad.

663
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,840
Like he was angry.

664
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,080
We're walking around thinking that like, you know, he's just like so super calm and whatever.

665
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,200
And he probably sat there and made a whip because he was angry at people in the temple.

666
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,160
But he did it with a smile on his face and he did it with joy and praise in his.

667
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,160
I doubt it.

668
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,160
You know what I mean?

669
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,160
Father, if I'm wrong, forgive me, but I doubt it.

670
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,440
I don't I see Jesus just going, all right, God, here's the deal.

671
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,440
This is what we're doing, Dad.

672
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,920
We're just going to just want and even with that.

673
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Yeah.

674
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,640
Example, you know, or anything else, you know, if somebody does something wrong, if somebody

675
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,560
wrongs you in some way, you know.

676
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:45,840
If God is able to forgive the people that were defiling his temple, his tabernacle,

677
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,720
if he's able to forgive them and then we sit there and say, well, you wronged me and I'm

678
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,240
going to hold it against you or I'm not going to give you a second chance.

679
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Yeah.

680
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Or that's an that's an acceptable sin.

681
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,080
I can I can forgive that.

682
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,080
But it's not.

683
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,080
But it's one of those things.

684
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,080
No, no, no, no.

685
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,120
So, you know, it's like when we do that, it's like all of a sudden it's like we're putting

686
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,640
ourselves more important than God.

687
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,600
And I know that's not a right word.

688
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,680
No, but I want to say it to stress it.

689
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Yeah.

690
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,160
You know, and it's it is it's.

691
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,620
Because when somebody wrongs us, if some I'm not going to say if when when somebody wrongs

692
00:34:22,620 --> 00:34:27,600
us because we are human, we all err.

693
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,200
We get to give them second chance.

694
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,500
We get to we get to give that forgiveness.

695
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,000
We get to to let that forgiveness flow.

696
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,800
You know, it might hurt at first.

697
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Yeah.

698
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,040
And yes, we can.

699
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,320
I'm not going to forgive you yet.

700
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,720
I need to I need to be hurt.

701
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,440
I need to feel this hurt for a little bit.

702
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Yeah.

703
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,440
Then I forgive you.

704
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,440
But I'm wounded.

705
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,440
Yeah.

706
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,440
Give me I need to heal.

707
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,440
It's time.

708
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,440
I got to heal.

709
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,440
Yeah.

710
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,440
Yeah.

711
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,440
You know, but it's like I do.

712
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,900
I think I think a lot of that, you know, and especially when it comes to to to relationships

713
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:02,200
and marriages and stuff like that, because we are going to do stuff wrong.

714
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,740
We are going to step on each other's toes.

715
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:07,160
But it's like our first response.

716
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,560
Yes.

717
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,560
Take that beat.

718
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,960
You know, be quick to listen, slow to, you know, slow to respond.

719
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,040
Yeah.

720
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,560
But be quick to forgive.

721
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,560
It's yes.

722
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:23,600
You know, because with as much as we might do to each other.

723
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,360
How many times have we sinned to God?

724
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:34,140
And if we if God held it against us and said, you sinned, I can't forgive that or I'll forgive

725
00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:36,040
you, but I won't give you another chance.

726
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,280
It's like nobody would be able to get into heaven.

727
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Even the most spiritual, saintly pastor would not be able to get into heaven if God did

728
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,760
not give us second chances.

729
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,920
So God is willing to give us umpteen chances.

730
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:57,880
As long as we come to him and say, I'm I was a bonehead, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

731
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,880
Please forgive me.

732
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,880
Yeah.

733
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,080
He would in a heartbeat.

734
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,080
Yeah.

735
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040
So why are we not doing that for each other?

736
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,080
Yeah.

737
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Why are we not willing to have that stance, even even entertain the idea with each other?

738
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,880
It's a fear of getting hurt again.

739
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,880
It is.

740
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:27,440
It's a not willing to let go.

741
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Yeah.

742
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:36,080
You know, it's I think it's also those places where it's like, well, if I forgive them,

743
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,640
then they're gonna that gives them permission to do something like that again.

744
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,600
And you want to go.

745
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:49,760
I don't know how many times I've told the story that if it wasn't the thing, the things

746
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,880
that I was caught up in, if when I came to you and said, this is everything that I have

747
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,880
done.

748
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,440
And if you yourself had just been like, well, nope, you're too far gone.

749
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,160
And there's just no way and all the things I probably would have walked right back into

750
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,040
what it was that I came out of, because all of a sudden what happens is you don't give

751
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,000
somebody an opportunity to to try again.

752
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,160
You've just basically given them a life sentence of you shouldn't even try.

753
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,360
You are always going to be who you're always going to be based off of what you've done

754
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:35,000
as opposed to believing that God could literally remake, restore and rebound this person into

755
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,560
the fullness of what it was that they were created to be.

756
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,160
And and we're not willing to walk through the hard.

757
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,660
We're not willing to.

758
00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:50,240
And I think sometimes it's also because if we do that to somebody else, like it's exposing

759
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,040
something inside of us.

760
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Like if well, if God really could forgive you, then that means I need to deal with some of

761
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,640
this stuff inside of me.

762
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,840
Or you're dealing with a prejudice or you're dealing with a bias.

763
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,400
You're dealing with you're dealing with your own shortcomings, your own religious stuff

764
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:15,400
that says there's levels of sin where God says anything that takes me away from you

765
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,120
and you from me, that's sin.

766
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:24,000
Anything that separates us is sin, whether you're lying, whether you're cheating, whether

767
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,360
you're stealing, killing, all the things, right?

768
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,280
All the things coveting, whether you're gossiping.

769
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,080
These are all things that separate you from me.

770
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,080
So don't do it.

771
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,520
It could get you caught up and lost and then cut off.

772
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:49,800
And it's like we need we need to be people of God and friends enough to each other that

773
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,120
are willing to like you and I are doing right now to sit down and look at each other and

774
00:38:54,120 --> 00:39:00,900
say, come on, like let's let's get into the real about this because you're you're wanting

775
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:05,200
to stay in the shallow water where God wants to take you into the deep.

776
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,840
Let's let's not let's not just be in the healed, but let's be in the hole.

777
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Let's not just let him.

778
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,840
What did Heather say that one day about the mechanic?

779
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:14,840
Oh, yeah.

780
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,760
It's like the difference between a mechanic and somebody that restores.

781
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,760
Yeah.

782
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,640
I mean, again, it's you can fix the problem because a mechanic will just maintain it or

783
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,080
just fix it enough to just get you back on the road.

784
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:34,480
Whereas a restorer, somebody that's going to restore a car will, you know, it's it's

785
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,360
going to involve tearing it apart, getting new parts, you know, knocking out all the

786
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:47,120
debts and basically getting a vehicle or whatever back to new or like new.

787
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Yeah.

788
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Yeah.

789
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,120
And that takes time.

790
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,120
That takes effort.

791
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,120
Yeah.

792
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,120
That takes getting dirty.

793
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,120
But it's worth it.

794
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Yeah.

795
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,800
Because in the end, it's going to be better than what it was before.

796
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,800
Yeah.

797
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Period.

798
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,800
Yeah.

799
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:02,800
That's it.

800
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,800
That's it.

801
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,800
That's it.

802
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,800
I like your thoughts.

803
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,800
Thanks.

804
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,800
This is good.

805
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,800
Appreciate it.

806
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,800
What did you title this?

807
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,800
I was just saying, why do we do this?

808
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,800
Why do we do this?

809
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,800
Yeah.

810
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,800
We do this to give you guys space.

811
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,800
Yeah.

812
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,800
We give you guys permission.

813
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,800
It's not even a permission to fail because I've had somebody say that to me once before.

814
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,800
They're like, well, you know, I'm going to do this.

815
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,800
I'm going to do this.

816
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,800
I'm going to do this.

817
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,800
I'm going to do this.

818
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,800
I'm going to do this.

819
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,800
I'm going to do this.

820
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,800
I'm going to do this.

821
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,800
I'm going to do this.

822
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,800
I'm going to do this.

823
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,800
I'm going to do this.

824
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,800
I'm going to do this.

825
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,800
I'm going to do this.

826
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,800
I'm going to do this.

827
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,800
I'm going to do this.

828
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,800
Yeah.

829
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800
I just want to say, guys, if you get back up again, because I've had this experience

830
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,800
before, they're like, when you tell people your stuff, you've just given them permission

831
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,800
to sin.

832
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,800
And I said, no, I gave them permission to fall and to get back up again is what I did.

833
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,800
It's not a thing of sinning.

834
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,800
It's a thing of, I'm giving you room to grow.

835
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:47,120
And with growth comes bumps and scrapes and stuff.

836
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,900
So be that person, guys, this week.

837
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:55,460
Give people room, give people room to grow,

838
00:40:55,460 --> 00:40:59,900
and walk with compassion and mercy, love justice,

839
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:02,740
seek mercy, walk humbly with your God,

840
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:05,580
do those things, and then watch God,

841
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:08,620
watch what God can do.

842
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:09,660
Yeah.

843
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:10,780
And it's gonna be good.

844
00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:11,740
It's good.

845
00:41:11,740 --> 00:41:13,620
All right, guys, have the best week.

846
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:14,620
Enjoy the journey.

847
00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:21,620
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848
00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:31,140
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