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Okay, so one day I was doing the leg press at the gym and some guy just came and told

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me to add more weights because in his words, I have very fat laps.

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And I just think that, I think that, you know, that was just one aspect of gym culture that

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I'm not really comfortable with because it just feels very intrusive.

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It just feels like, you know, people are always trying to tell you what to do or just make

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statements that are overly familiar.

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It's just one, it's one, it's a combination of like Lagos culture and Nigerian culture.

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Everybody just feels they're entitled to tell you what to do.

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I was, I was on the bench press.

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I was doing 15 kgs, right?

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And then one guy was waiting for me to finish and I finished.

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I stood up and he just started shouting, Add am (add more), Add am (add more), Add am (add more).

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I was like, bro, chill now.

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He wanted me to add 15 more, so it would be 30.

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Then I was like, okay, no, wahala.

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I added it.

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Then he went, he hook the bar for neck, man. (The bar got stuck at his neck)

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Why are you not being serious?

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Why is your blood so hot?

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I don't know.

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It's this, it's the adrenaline when people are working out in the gym?

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There's just very, it's like men are all of a sudden more manly.

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Yeah, I think, I think that's, that's one thing.

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Like it's supposed to be a very macho place.

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Or like, well, it's not supposed to be, but like typically people just, you know, make

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it so.

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It's in everything, you know, the way everybody walks into the gym, the overly aggressive

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handshakes and you know, people will say, ah, this one too small for

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you now, boss.

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Exactly.

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People won't talk quietly.

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Like you just notice that their voices are just, you know, just raised a bit.

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Everything's supposed to ginger you and push you, you know, go the limits, go past the

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limits.

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That's what like, that's basically what like gym culture is.

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And it's just, you know.

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But do you think in some way that you actually kind of need that?

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Like there's a, there's a, you know, a big part of working out is actually like psyching

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yourself up, you know, to do one more rep, to do one more set.

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So it's like that whole environment kind of engenders that in a manner of speaking.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah, I guess, I guess some people do.

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One more for your mummy.

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I guess, I guess some people, I guess some people do need that, but you know, being the kind

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of person who, I don't know, I don't think I need that.

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So it just, it can make me, it can make me uncomfortable sometimes, you know.

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Do you remember the guy that said, that said that really, really big guy, That was like six feet,

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six inches or something and he was really huge.

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And then they were asking him like all the guys in the gym were very curious, like bro,

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bro, how you take big like this? (how did you get this big?)

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He now said, "oh, I just, dey chop the protein supplement with spoon". ("I ate protein supplements straight out of the jar")

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Yeah, I remember that guy, I remember that guy.

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You know, obviously he did look like, he was huge.

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He looked like someone who was chowing.

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Pretty supplements man.

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But yeah, that's, that's just, I don't know.

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I guess people need different things to like push themselves and then, you know, based

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on like, or depending on your own personality or your, you know, your type of person, it

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can either be something you look forward to or just, or just do like.

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What is the source of wanting to be that physically domineering?

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What do, why do you need to be that big?

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Why can't you just be, you know, fit, nice, good body and like carry on with your life?

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Why must you be 115 kg before you know that you are gyming (working out)?

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Human beings are like insatiable.

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There's always a new body for you to look forward to, I guess, you know, it's just, it's because

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when you think about it, right?

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I don't think, I don't think that among the gym faithful, like people who are really into

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the gym, I don't think being healthy, right?

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Is there, is there, it's not included in their, in their vision, right?

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I think it's all about the look, you know, it's all about being muscular, right?

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And there's just, there's just always going to be muscular guys around you.

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You need to, you need to stand out.

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You just keep, you just keep pushing, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I think that's it.

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People just want to be, to look, you know, like they are in charge.

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Yes.

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They want to look like they go to the gym.

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But, but to be fair, it's like, okay, this year when I increased in weight, right?

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I've actually noticed very specifically a difference or a change in the way people like

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address me and the way people look at me.

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it's so ridiculous.

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It's very present, very, very present.

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And it makes sense why you just want to keep this like reinforcement, like just want to

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keep reinforcing that feeling, you know, but for me, I try to dissociate myself from it

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actually.

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All right.

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Because it's like for me personally, I don't really like, it's kind of the way I dissociate

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myself from being an engineer, being a software engineer, right?

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Because the software engineer side of me is different from like me as Timilehin.

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Yeah.

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Same way.

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I don't want to be attached to like my weight or like my muscular build because it can change.

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Like that's not, it's something I work towards, but it's not something that is necessarily

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going to be with me forever.

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Right.

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And like, that's fine.

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Anything can happen.

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You could like, I mean, we don't want that, but you could fall sick.

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You could just, you know, be too busy to work out for a period of time or stuff like that.

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And doesn't mean, it doesn't change who you are.

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Yeah.

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I hear that.

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You know, the funny thing is when, when I started working out like properly, when I

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started going to the gym in January, I started noticing the changes in my body.

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Right.

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And for a very, I don't know, I would say, I wouldn't say it's a very significant amount

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of time.

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Right.

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But I was, I felt, I felt myself change.

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I began to, I began to kind of look at myself more, which is not something that I was accustomed

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to doing.

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And you know, honestly, the reason why I didn't like to look at myself was because I just,

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I had always felt like my body shape was a bit weird.

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You know, it was just, it's just, I didn't think I had decent proportions or something,

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but then I was, I was filling out, you know, and my arms that used to be a bit skinny now grew

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And then that thing you talked about, about other people looking at you, it makes you

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more aware of yourself.

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Right.

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I was just having a random conversation with somebody and then she just said, you are hot

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now.

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Now.

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Now.

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I was like, what do you mean by now?

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Right.

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I mean, it's, you know, that kind of thing.

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But like what you said, you know, you have to, you have to distinguish yourself from

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your, from your body or you, because like it'll fluctuate.

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Since, since we started, my own body has like fluctuated seriously, you know, so like, yeah,

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I think, I think it's important to just, to just keep it different, but people, people

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do look at you differently.

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People do, you know, talk to you differently.

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And we're, we're Nigerians, we're Nigerians, like it's a very Nigerian thing to make comments

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on people's bodies.

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Yeah.

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Like it's ridiculous.

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From your mother to your, to everybody, to your auntie, to the random person on the

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road.

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Like sometimes you can, you can like gauge the person's intention behind it.

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You know, it's like you're looking buff or something like that.

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You know, it's like,

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When I went to Abuja, and Henry said, ah, Timmy, you go beat me now.

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Exactly.

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Like you can just understand that, okay, this person is being appreciative, you know, but

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it just, you know, it just helps if everybody just looks at you and they don't treat you

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differently, but they will, or at least they do.

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I mean, it's okay.

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I mean, it also does something for, I don't know how, I mean, obviously we're speaking

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about this from a, from like the male perspective.

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Yeah.

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I feel like we should have gotten a female guest.

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Maybe we should have, but like it actually also changes the way you approach the world.

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There's, there's an increased amount of confidence.

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You feel, cause you feel healthier, you feel more present.

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You're, you're just generally healthier physically, mentally, like working out is actually a whole

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thing of better wellbeing.

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And so it does change your, your mental state a little bit, which, which I think is good,

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which even though like I'm saying, I like to dissociate myself from like my body in that

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way.

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It's also acknowledging that when I'm healthier, I am happier.

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And like that, that's perfectly fine.

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Yeah, that's, I'm approaching the world in a different way is

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such is such a very nice way to put it.

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Right.

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Like waking up in the morning and knowing that I can carry something heavier than I

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carried two days ago is actually such a good feeling.

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Yeah.

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You know, I like to, I'm the kind of a person who just like has very random scenarios in

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his head about things that might happen to me during the day.

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And I just felt, I just felt more comfortable just knowing that if there was a scenario

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in which I had to do some heavy lifting, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be lagging

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behind.

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I thought that was cool.

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That was cool.

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Yeah.

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But it's like balance, balance is like just the important thing.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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The balance.

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I feel like we should make an argument for, you know, there's an entire demographic of

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people that think like working out sucks, right?

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Like I understand the sentiment.

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I feel like we should make that argument.

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Like there's a reason to frown upon working out because, okay, so when we talked about

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balance now, there's an entire demographic of people that don't balance, right?

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And just like, I mean, if you're a bodybuilder or like, like an Olympic lifter or something,

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and I mean, working out is essentially your career, it is pretty much understandable.

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Even then I wouldn't also say you make it your personality because it's still a job and your

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job shouldn't be your person all the way, except you are really into that.

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But that's excessive.

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Yeah.

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Always talking about it.

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Has gym bro in

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his twitter bio

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Has gym bro

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in your bio

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Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I get, I get that, you know, it's like what we're saying when we're

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talking about just making it your personality.

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Like that's the, that's going, that's going overboard.

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A person can have a conversation with you without it being related to the gym.

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Yeah.

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You know, you just, I don't know, you and your friends are, your friends are talking

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and then some, some guys just talking about just educating everybody on protein shakes

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or something.

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But to be fair though, like if you have, I feel like everything is relative.

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Let's say you are in a group of friends, all of you are really, really into working out.

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Like you guys are just, you just think the human body is the temple and like you want

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to, you want to treat it with respect and that's just your friendship group.

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Right.

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Then I feel like, you know, fine, like that's how you are living your life.

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That's how you're enjoying yourself.

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That's your person.

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Yeah.

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But like I'm not, I'm not considering that kind of scenario.

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I'm talking about regular people, people with different, you know, or regular views on the

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human body.

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Right.

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And then there's this person who, who is always worshiping at the temple of exercise.

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I just want you to just talk to you.

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It's almost like a religion.

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Yeah.

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like convince you, you know, like you should start working out.

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If a person tells you, you know, exactly what are you, you know, you start policing what

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you're eating or trying to, then it just, it just, it becomes very uncomfortable to

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be around, around such a person.

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Yeah.

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And it's very, it's very easy rather to fall into that trap because like it gets, because

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of the positive feedback, because of the positive reinforcement, it's very easy to fall into

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the trap of just always wanting to maintain it as tightly as possible.

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Meanwhile, like, I don't know.

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I mean, not making any judgments for other people, but for me personally, I, I prefer

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it as just another activity that improves the quality of your life.

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All right.

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Yeah, that's true.

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We should talk about like one of my favorite aspects of going to the gym.

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There are not many, so I shouldn't say one of my favorite aspects, probably my favorite

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aspect is like gym clothes.

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I think that gym fits.

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The way they wear joggers and wear socks over the joggers looking like M.J.

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I think, I think it's so, I think it's so important to like the aesthetics of the place,

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the vibe.

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Yeah.

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Like I, I, I don't know what's the word to use now.

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I encourage it.

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Right.

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I really like people, you know, going, I want to see, I want to see a guy walk into the

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gym and like, there's no question about what he's here to do.

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It's like, it's so, you know, he has like the headband, the headband, the tights.

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Nigerian men in the gym are super obsessed with durags.

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Like, it's so funny because like, some of them are proper bald.

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It's not like they are, you know, covering anything, it's just cultural.

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The one, the one that I can't get behind though is the sunglasses.

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I don't feel like, I don't know why you're wearing sunglasses in the gym.

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I don't get it.

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So you're not wearing sunglasses inside any building.

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is a bit sketchy.

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You know, my favorite, my favorite guy at the gym, like when we're talking outfits,

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just wears, wears the same thing every single time.

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He wears the uniform.

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It's like, he wears the yellow tank top, some like blue shorts.

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And then his shoes are like black, they also have yellow.

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He doesn't wear socks.

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He's like, or ankle socks.

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You can't see.

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And he's just like, this guy's just here to pump iron, man.

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I think, I think it's so funny.

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I think, I think that's something cool.

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I encourage every single person listening to this to go all out for their gym fit.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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I mean, I guess in a manner of speaking, I would, I wouldn't mind rejoining the gym.

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So we have a home set up now.

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Yeah, we do.

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So we don't go physically to the gym as of now.

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Logistics wise, gym is not super close.

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We have to drive.

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So it kind of made sense to set up one for ourselves.

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But if there was a closer gym, like if we were to move somewhere else and then there

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was a gym closer to the house, where we could probably like stroll to the gym, or like walk or jog to

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the gym.

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You think you'd want to rejoin?

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I wouldn't mind.

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I wouldn't mind.

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Especially maybe for me, like right now that you're asking this question, I have a very,

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very sedentary lifestyle.

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Like I'm almost always, I'm almost always at home.

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Work from home.

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Yeah.

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I look forward to just going to places.

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I think it's just, you know, just important to just go out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind.

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Also, I like, I like the fact that, you know, it feels like, you know, we go out, accomplish

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something then come back.

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Yes.

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See, listen to me.

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Human beings were meant to go out.

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Like the instinct to go and hunt is still very present in our psyche.

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Work from home is ruining our essence.

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Exactly.

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Like I understand, I understand the appeal of working from home, but I do remember when

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I was working at, when I was working at Bouunce and I had to go, I had to go to the office.

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I'd come back, I'd come back, you know, very tired, but it also felt very good.

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Like just the aspect of going to just meet other people, do something, just do something

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there and then just, and then come back.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think, I think I'd like to rejoin the gym if it was like an easier, more manageable situation.

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Yeah.

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We don talk plenty. (We've talked a lot)

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Yeah.

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We have, we have opinions.

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We have opinions and thoughts.

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Just opinions.

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No authority.

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But yeah, this is all relative anyway.

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But I think that, you know, in general, I think that there's something to feeling healthier.

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It's a.

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It's a whole thing.

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Yeah.

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It's the whole thing.

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It's a good, it's a really good feeling.

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I should have told the story about how, did I tell you how I joined my sister for like

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leg workouts?

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You know, my, like my sister, right?

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And then she was like, oh, you have such big powerful legs that my workout will be too

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light for you.

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And I was like, don't worry.

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That is, you know, I'll just manage.

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She killed me.

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I could not, I could not manage.

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And the risk of sounding, of generalizing.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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I do not do leg workouts with women.

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They are, they are something, they are insane.

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They do.

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One time when we went to the gym, you know, I saw this, I forgot to say, I forgot to say

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what the, what that particular exercise is, but you know what, where you lift with your,

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with your calf.

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Yeah.

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And so like, she just, you know, she stood up, she said she was done.

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So I decided to just do what she was doing.

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Oh my God.

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I was taking aback.

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I was like, ah, how did she?

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And the funny thing is, the way, the way you see a muscular man.

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Yeah.

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So you just, you just refrain from doing

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what exactly he's doing.

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Women are very unassuming in the gym

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Like they don't look like the things they lift.

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It was, it was something.

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And the thing when you tell them they don't believe you, they'll think you're like, like

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trying to whine them or something.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But like they're something else.

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But they are really, they are really powerlifting.

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Yeah.

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I'm serious.

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It's been real.

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Yeah.

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It's been super real.

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It's also been TLDR.

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It's been TLDR.

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Absolutely. I'm Oluchukwu

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And I'm Timilehin.

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We'll see you next time.

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Hopefully sooner than this.

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All right.

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Thank you.