How much do you know about your cervix?
If not much, don't worry, you're not alone and in this episode we're going to
demystify this incredible organ and you're going to learn some life-changing information.
So what if I told you that this organ can not only be a source of divine orgasms and
really deep and beautiful loving connection with a partner or with yourself, but also
a place that leads to healing and empowerment.
I definitely feel and believe this and in this episode I'm beyond excited to share with
you the wisdom and inspiration of Olivia, the founder of Celf Cervix.
And Celf Cervix is the world's renowned cervical awakening project that has been driving forward
the revolutionary research and the work helping women to reconnect to this mysterious and
deeply powerful orgasmic and healing place right inside of their own bodies.
I highly recommend listening to this episode because it contains essential and really empowering
information that is difficult to find out there and I personally have completely changed
the relationship with my body when I discovered this place and there is no better person than
Olivia to share about this work as she has been helping thousands of women all over the
world to connect to this place and empower themselves.
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I am myself, I'm trained in Tantric Sexuality so I've done a lot of hours of learning about
my body, about the energy and a lot of that work and before that I'm trained as an embodiment
teacher so I am a very aware and connected woman and I started my yogic past when I
was 12 years old and I had a history of sexual trauma so I was aware of how to go there on
my healing path but I have touched my cervix for the first time this year.
Isn't that interesting though?
We can go through this entire embodiment journey and I realized this about 20 years ago I was
feeling this, I'm so embodied, I've done all of this work and yet there's this place where
I haven't gone and no one's really told me to go there.
Yeah.
It doesn't seem like a thing and then on the other hand you hear you might have heard all
of this stuff like cervical orgasms, maybe, maybe not.
It's kind of like this last place that gets visited.
It is crazy and to make it even more dramatic or whatever it is, when I touched it for the
first time it was during my course, during my studies, we've been practicing self-pleasure
and the teacher asked to gently meet the cervix and I met my cervix and I had like a wave
of fear going through my entire body and it was so tight and it was so scary, it was far
from pleasurable for the first time but it definitely showed to me that there is something
there that I haven't ever went into and it's something deeply, deeply powerful.
So I went on this whole journey of trying to figure it out and I am still figuring it
out but now I'm seeing through like, whoa, what is this?
Far from a very amazing and curious perspective.
So I'm excited to tell women all about this incredibly magical place from you, an expert.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for bringing this conversation forward because like we discussed
earlier, so many women don't even know they have a cervix.
Like, it's quite profound.
I did this whole interview series when I first began this work on the streets of Berlin and
London and New York and I was asking women, what do you know about your cervix?
And the responses were anything from my what?
All the way through you.
Oh, you know, I think, you know, it's where you give birth from or my doctor touches it,
I go for a smear test or cancer.
Like, you know, it would be very medicalized and sort of this hidden either inconsequential
like, so what?
Or this kind of, why are you talking about something so personal?
My friend just has cancer.
It's just the magic wasn't there.
The understanding that it's more than just an amazing birthing canal, which is powerful
enough in itself, it is this incredible portal to expanded states of, I can say, orgasm.
But the more I talk about this, the more that word doesn't really work because what I found
was I remember when I started, I thought it would be like other experiences of orgasm
that I'd had.
Just to share with your audience, I was never very orgasmic.
I was pretty stuck.
I wasn't one of these women who came in and I was already like fully alive, fully awake,
fully open.
I was really wanting and yearning that.
And I even was like, from about 25, helping women get through some of the things that
I'd gotten through, which was mainly just shame and like starting to even be able to
speak about it.
So by the time I got close to this path that found me, I was very dependent on a large
vibrator that was my only access to sex.
And I don't ever shame vibration as a tool for learning how these sensations can feel
if someone is very blocked in their body.
And I also recognized that I was so used to this very intense stimulation externally that
I really had no concept or feeling or connection or relationship to the deeper places inside
of me.
I just didn't factor in much of my self-pleasure process.
When I had sex, obviously I would feel a little more inside there, but I didn't really know
how numb I was on the inside until I started exploring this.
And to what you said earlier, right, I've touched my cervix and I'm still trying to
figure it out.
I spent years trying to figure it out.
Because the sensations, because A, I was numb, I've had a big chunk of my cervix cut out.
And I was also looking for more of a clitoral orgasm experience.
I didn't really understand how to work with my body in a different way to create this
expansion feeling that that cervical orgasm was to become for me.
So it took me a while to figure it out.
For me, it was part of the journey because the cervix will show you this mirror.
Like even with you, you said, oh, this wave of fear came up.
And so look, you're like, wow, what is there for me to be afraid of?
This place inside of me, inside of my sovereign space, I'm afraid.
What is here?
And all sorts of things will come up for people just beginning like fear, shame, even feelings
of repulsion if they haven't been inside it, feel sensations on their fingers that they
might not have felt before, a lot of avoidance, a lot of resistance because there's some
intuition that inside there there is things that I haven't yet felt that I've held there.
I just did a session the other day with a woman and she was like, I haven't really done
any practice.
And I was like, well, why?
What do you think's there?
I broke it down to I am afraid that if I express what I am feeling right now in my heart, that
all this rage, I'm going to create disconnection.
And see the heart and what you're holding here, it's going to be blocking.
You got to address here first your heart before being ready, available to go into a more vulnerable
space inside your cervix, because you know, somewhere inside, we know, like, I have all
of this power rage that will like spill out of me and I'll break my relationships and
then I'll be alone and no one will love me and then I'm the witch and then I'm like,
you know, all of it comes out.
So 100% it goes so deep and the layers I've been uncovering and myself are surprising
and powerful and sometimes scary and to my to my partner, they all can be also sometimes
scary.
I definitely want to dig into the partner play as well with you.
And I know you have this course for me.
And I actually, I was so cheeky that I made my boyfriend watch, but then I kind of watched
with him.
Yeah.
But let's start first on this more of a medical perspective, because you've just said that
your cervix has been also part of it out, could you elaborate on it?
What does that mean?
I was growing up in the days of like kind of an HPV.
There was a lot of it going around.
And that just, they would describe it as the common cold of sexually transmitted viruses.
And like at that point, most people were kind of getting it, it was just so easy to contract.
You just had to have unprotected sex once with the wrong person.
And there is usually no symptoms.
So you don't even know you have it.
And that's why people able to pass it around.
Then I went to the doctors and the doctors took a biopsy and they were like, you have
abnormal cells and you have a syn3, which means that it can very easily change into
cancer.
And they said the C word and I went, and they were like, we think you should get these cells
taken out.
And so within a very short time of having that diagnosis, I was in having this terribly
barbaric medical procedure.
I had to be held down.
It's brutal.
And at that stage, I was 28.
I didn't really understand anything about, I was just following what the doctor told
me to do.
And I have a very different perspective on it now.
But I realized that what is the good thing about this is that now I can say it's possible
to go through an experience like that and still take back the medicine of the cervix.
It took a while and probably I was living with a lot of numbness for a very long time.
And even still, it will take sometimes depending on where I'm at in my life, if I'm really
stressed, if I'm holding a lot of tension, it will take me a while to bring my cervix
back online again.
It's an interesting organ, it feels like it has its own communication going on.
I always try to share that just because you've started to feel sensations now at your cervix,
that's amazing.
So you know there's an access point.
You kind of know that you can get there.
It's just going to sometimes not be so linear.
And you'll think, oh, I've had a breakthrough.
And then you might end up going through a terrible experience in your emotional life
before, stressed out at work or whatever it is, and then you don't really pay much attention
to your cervix for a while.
And then you got to go and do some work on it again and bring it back and work on your
heart and go through the process.
So yeah, I suppose I know I can say that you can go through medical trauma and reclaim it.
I think there's some stat like 15% of people who go through that procedure lose all sensation
even to the clitoris and it's a very experienced PTSD after it.
So it's a very sort of shoot from the hips system where it's like, oh, we see this thing,
you better hurry up and do it.
And I always leave this choice to women to make a personal choice.
I don't give medical advice.
For me personally now, I know that that disease takes a long time to shift change in your
body and there is time to look out for natural remedies and lower your stress levels and try
for a period of time to heal naturally.
And I know many, many people who have, but I obviously can't take that responsibility
for people that has to be a deeply personal choice because it's very scary when the doctor
says it might turn into cancer.
It's like, whoa, what?
So, you know, something not as strong, but something similar happened to me and I'm glad
that you say that it's all possible to recenter size even after more significant traumas like
that.
But in my, I don't even have exact names because it's all in another language, but I've been
growing up, I was growing up in Kazakhstan and it's a post-Soviet Union environment.
And in Soviet Union, it was very popular procedure to get rid of erosion on the cervix because
they also believed that that might lead to cancer.
So my mom being a doctor and she was checking me regularly to avoid any kind of problem.
And we found erosion on my cervix.
I was maybe like 19, something like that.
And so obviously I had no idea what it is, why, what, and they had to like electro-echegulated
something like that, if I'm saying the word right, but actually basically it's extremely
painful, somebody goes and electro-eches your cervix.
And I mean, I just had no idea what did they do to me.
Just now looking back, I'm like, what was that?
And the worst thing is that two years later, my mom is always up for research and there
is new research that came out that that erosion is actually normal and it comes in goes.
And you don't have to do that.
Isn't that crazy?
I think I would say that the cervix is the most traumatized place in the human body.
I can't think of anywhere else that has to go through all of these tests and if there's
like the slightest thing, it's like cut it out, laser it, electric shock it.
Doesn't that remind you of like, it's symbolically which energy at the cervix?
It's like, which goddess?
Like it is so powerful that this happens to it.
It makes so much sense to me, you know, like it's in the name of like safety and health,
like your mom.
But because there's so little education and so little research around the female body,
female sexual anatomy, female potential, that there's this kind of free for all, let's
just do this thing.
And even doctors will tell you, if you go to your doctor, they'll say, it's fine to do
this process.
Your cervix is meant to be numb.
Yeah.
That is a very common experience, but it's not a normal experience.
Your cervix has three sets of paired nerves attached to it and it's innovated on the surface.
It is highly innovated.
Biggest connection to the brain out of all of your organs, the science was, I was like,
I found that hard to believe, but that needs to be the truth.
Three sets of paired nerves, which means one on each side going all the way out to the
brains.
That makes sense.
It's part of our reproductive function.
It's part of our human survival mechanism.
So it would make sense that it needs to be sensitive.
And so anything that is going on at the cervix transmits through these nerves to the rest
of the body and the brain.
So if you're experiencing trauma at your cervix or pain at your cervix, which so often happens
during sex, you get a shock into your system.
Your system freezes, closes, shuts down, tightens, armors.
And then you might enter sexual experiences being a little hesitant, like a little tributaryl
when I want to feel sex or pain, or you might just go along with it with a little bit of
pain because it'll pass soon.
Instead of being really honest and brave and being like, I need you to stop right now.
I just need to pause for a moment.
Just I need to breathe and relax.
I'm feeling some pain.
Yeah.
Well, I feel like this relationship as a cervix open up so many gates into self inquiry.
Yeah, ability to be vulnerable.
That's why my program is called self cervix.
And the funniest I didn't even know when I called it self cervix, I was thinking about
really just serving ourselves with this process.
But I realized as I started diving deeper that you can't look at the cervix.
Honestly, you're going to look at yourself.
A lot of people come into my work and they're like, just tell me how to have a cervical orgasm.
I'm like, sure, but it's not that simple because you're going to wonder why you keep meeting
resistance.
You wonder why it's not happening and here because you've got to look at your heart or
you've got to look at your behaviors or you've got to look at the way you've crossed your
boundaries again and again or you've allowed touch that really, it's okay, but it's not
really what you want because you just want your lover to know what to do.
So you've deferred your power to them.
And instead of really claiming and knowing the keys to your body, and I think when you
speak about, I'm still figuring it out.
Now you're learning how to play the instrument of your cervix and you learn how your nervous
system joins into this chorus as a chorus for your cervix.
And what's so beautiful is it's like all these parts of your anatomy, your clitoris, your
breasts, your internal environment all the way up to your cervix, they all play different
kind of notes and frequencies.
And when you get this, my goodness, the way you compare your body is like, and so why
wouldn't you want to share with your lover in a really gentle play?
This is how you do it, baby.
The female body is so wonderful with all our different erogenous zones and all our different
pleasure buttons.
And you come up against a different body and you're just like, well, I wonder how this
one works.
And it's not one size fits all.
So I provide a map and there are some universal truths within it, but I can never know your
particular body and the music that your instrument plays.
And so my job really only is to get you learning how to feel and learning how to listen.
And that's really what I try to do more than tell you how to touch your cervix.
And it's hard because I do get this a lot.
What kind of touches should I do?
And I used to just be very stubborn and say, well, you tell me, you go and find out.
And I probably annoyed people.
So I was saying, well, you could try these things, but none of those things might be
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So let's actually then go into this touch and the pleasure and the orgasms.
Everybody, I mean, there is this whole, either it's even almost a myth of a cervical or full
body orgasm.
People don't know if it's true, if it exists or no, and how to get there.
I can just share a little bit of my exploration I've had this year.
And I must say that when I want to explore my cervix and want to connect to it now, for
me, it is more of a release journey.
So I feel like there is so much yet to release a lot and a lot and the layers of it.
So most of my practice involves very gentle and soft release through which I breathe for
a long time and I apply touch differently.
And I don't push like I would have sex.
There is no continuous push for me on those cervix.
There is a very soft push and then I hold it a bit and then I would change a position.
And it all looks more like a gentle release practice.
However, I have introduced my partner into this and I've asked him to hold me through
it a couple of times.
And I get more pleasure with a partner when I touch my cervix with his actual penis somehow
because I'm feeling there is certain level of energy exchange when the partner is really,
really present.
And when he's consciously and intentionally works with the cervix.
And he's not intentionally there.
There is it's not the same.
But when there is a pure intention to soften my cervix, I find it deeply, deeply pleasurable.
But yeah, I feel also there is a lot to move through yet.
And I have cried multiple times if we achieve a level of release.
Once I got into more like a panic or something, but I was crying really, really a lot and
I'd really scared my partner.
So I did calm him down.
I did explain it actually was really good for me.
I felt like I released something from past generations.
It was so intense.
But basically the experiences are really diverse and I can't imagine what else is there.
So I would love you to share from years of your experience.
Yeah.
I mean, I just want to speak to what you said.
Like, wow, your partner so brave.
How beautiful.
Imagine again, like, like you're touching your woman and she has this like huge like
response and it's like, you know, I will always say and with the man in this program, I'm
always saying, you know, training them in holding the space.
But also I speak to the women about sort of saying even beforehand, like, you know, we
don't know what might come up.
And if something comes up like big feelings, all you need to do is trust me and I will
let you know if I need you to bring me back.
But let me cry it out.
And then after a while, you know, perhaps you can put a hand on my shoulder and just
ask me how I'm doing because sometimes it can be scary in a retraumatizing situation.
You could just fly out into disassociation and actually have a retraumatizing experience.
So it's a very interesting line for a partner to witness, to understand are they just having
a cathartic release or are they kind of really gone?
And so I think it's really great to have like little ways that your partner can check in
with you that doesn't interrupt your process.
And yeah, and I think over time, he will grow in his capacity to be able to trust you in
this and trust that, you know, he's got this.
It's really exciting.
That makes me so excited.
Excited too.
I mean, like people need to know.
People need to know.
Yeah.
Well, it's great for me to hear that you're letting stuff go and you're right.
Like the majority of my journey, I think I did four years of releasing, four years of
unwinding, learning how to feel, learning how to sensitize, learning how to attune my
senses to extremely subtle things and then ultimately learning how to transmute it all
into an orgasmic experience.
Yeah.
As I said, we don't really know what might come up.
I've had experiences also that have felt really intergenerational, very big issues.
But interestingly, after that big release, it was never, ever quite the same.
I never really had the big release again after that.
I think the thing that's the most uneasy to be with for people is not feeling much at
all.
And it's very hard to be patient and to just be with the void and just holding the void
of nothingness.
And like I train women to create inside of the void, to sort of give their mind something
to do, to meditate inside the void.
And feeling pain, feeling grief, feeling rage, at least you're feeling something.
You know, this is why I actually started, this is how self-service started because I
was touching my cervix and not feeling anything at all, really.
And I just got bored.
And I didn't really understand that I was being shown a real mirror actually at that
point.
But I started this kind of event online and just asked for anybody else who wanted, do
we want to support each other simulating our cervixes for 21 days?
And it was a massive event with over a thousand women.
And what came up there was everything from all of their trauma and past life regressions
all the way through to like, I feel so empowered because the first time in my life I've touched
my cervix, how come I've never been taught this?
This is amazing.
And reclaiming a part of myself all the way through to more experienced practitioners
or some lucky beings who just don't have much to let go of the cervix and they're already
able to kind of launch into feeling really pleasant, if not pleasurable experiences.
There's a full spectrum that can be possible.
I can't say what will be there for each person, but what I can say is that it's nonlinear.
We have to keep going back, I don't not do release practice now that I'm able to have
these cervical orgasms.
It's my cervix yoga, as well as you could say it.
Like right now, for example, I can feel that I need to do a release practice right now.
I've been rushing at the end of the year to get everything done.
I've not really been in much contact with my cervix.
I've been up on my head a lot and it's like, oh, I just crave this.
It's like a homecoming.
It's like you could say that it's the first chakra and from a more Western point of view,
that does make sense to me because we had all this research done at the very beginning
of my work and it showed that women were, when they were touching their cervix regularly,
anxiety was dropping, starting to feel less depressed.
They were feeling more grounded in their bodies.
So let's say it's your anchor point.
I call it your root.
Yeah.
So it pulls you back and down and in and out of your head and it pulls you into your deep
body and that's the only place when you're in your deep body, very present.
That is the only place from which a cervical orgasm of any kind will start to open up.
And what gets in the way?
Who knows whether it's trauma related or just our own fixation on dopamine and instant
gratification and self-judgment and kind of wanting something and being impatient.
But whatever it is that pulls us away from staying with ourselves deeply in the deepest
parts, anything that pulls you away from your, from the moment, from feeling very subtle
things, that is, it unfortunately gets in the way of us being able to expand.
And those of your audience who do meditate, that is also helpful when you're also embodied
because it is a meditation.
I love it when my partner says I'm on your cervix and then I'm just somehow mentally,
I'm visualizing that connection and I'm visualizing my cervix and it just really kind of starts
to open up in me.
So yeah.
Yeah, I visualize when, I mean, it really comes to me this picture more and more, the
more I do this work of like cervix being this, this place in the body through which once
we press on it, especially with something really beautiful, like your lover's penis,
a really beautiful connection or something sacred like a wands that we really love.
And if we press then some powerful energy as it breaks any kind of blocks through my entire
body because we press there, it's like a wand of energy coming through the entire body and
then breaks everything gets that all the rubbish out and I become clear.
Yeah, absolutely.
It makes sense that you are feeling more when your partner is making love to you for so
many reasons and yes, energetics is one major part of it.
Also you've got a full, more of a fullness over the entire cervix.
Also it's not you doing it so you can relax back and feel more.
So there are benefits to it but for those of you're in your audience who are single,
I did the majority of this work as a single woman and I think that that was no accident.
I'm now partnered in the perfect time.
I feel like I've pretty much completed the body of work to where I need it to be.
And so there's a benefit to both.
You don't have to be in a partnership to really explore your cervix and when you are, it's
an amazing journey that you can go on together.
One day eventually after the men's program, I would like to do a couple's program.
Oh yeah, that sounds amazing.
Now I must say a lot of this, at least for me as I'm working with the cervix, for me
self-practice, solo practice is incredibly important.
I don't feel like I would be even able to go there with a partner if I didn't do solo
practice because I need to know, like I need to meet my feelings in this way.
And I would love for you to share a bit more on how does self-dearmoring actually work.
So let's say that I mentioned before, you know, there are things that have happened
to us and our cervixes that cause us to hold the body in response to a shock or just the
busyness of life and stress.
You know, I even noticed myself when I'm driving and I'm stuck in traffic and I'm running
late and I'm pulling up my pelvic floor and holding tension.
All of this creates a protection, you know, so let's say a place has been regularly sort
of hit during sex, but first of all, it might feel painful.
And then if you kind of just ignore it and you keep going, eventually it will numb out
and it forms a, I guess you could say a thick layer of skin, a muscle over that part that's
hurt.
You know, when you're touching your shoulders and neck and you feel these bumps and lumps,
that you could say is armoring.
It's a shell protecting the vulnerable parts of us that have been hurt or strained or stressed.
And so with the de-armoring process, which I do throughout the entire center of the body,
running all the way up the pathway of the vagus nerve that runs all the way up to the
brain, back the brain.
I work on releasing those places that are holding and we call this de-armoring or release.
It's release work.
Look like trigger pointing.
It can look like practices like tremoring.
It can look like breath work.
There are many ways that we can create a release through the central channel, but vaginally
in cervix, it can look like working with a finger and finding places that feel like
acidic or tense or numb and giving them some loving attention, but giving them some kind
of holding.
I use a wand.
I created a wand actually that could get into deep places that my finger can't go.
It's not that comfortable to spend a long time with your finger, but I always say starting
with a finger is a good idea because it really keeps you connected to the exact place where
your finger is.
Sometimes the wand, it's a little bit of a barrier between being very aware of the sensation
of things.
So for example, if you're not really used to what your cervix feels like through your
own practice with your finger, then you go to touch it with a wand and you're like, where
is it?
I can't quite feel it because maybe my cervix is numb.
So it's good to have the education of your finger, but I found the wand work was essential
for me to just open more space because I was calling a lot of tension.
I don't do jade egg practice, for example, because I don't need that directional of energy.
I don't need to lift my pelvic floor and most of our pelvic floors are actually in a state
of constant lift.
And so my work is like, let it go, let it go, get here.
The armoring practice helps to just bring you down into the body.
I believe you have a really good video on your Instagram that gives a bit of an introduction.
So that's really cool so listeners can watch and see the wand and a little bit of your
intro.
It's a wand mastery class.
So they can see how it works.
It's amazing because it also, you know, you can touch into so many parts of your anatomy
at once and it's also can offer pleasure.
So you know, it's a big adventure really.
Yeah.
It is an adventure worth taking for sure for everyone.
So I'm wondering then you also have a men's course, which I adore when I saw your launch
in this course for men.
I'm like, yes, more men will know about it, which is better for the world.
How do we introduce men into this work generally say women who are curious about their cervix
and they have partners?
How do they, what should they do?
Well, I guess first of all, like we said, just start to get into a little relationship with
it yourself.
So whether that's with your own touch or whether it's with like holding presence and imagining
your cervix and really starting to get a sense of where your cervix might be at.
What has your cervix been through?
Does your cervix have anything that it wants to share with you if you were to touch into
it?
What has the journey between you and your cervix been like in your life?
You might start to remember stories or things that have happened and then you might just
simply go to your partner and say, hey, there's this place inside of me that I've begun to
really get curious about.
It's my cervix.
It can offer a really deeper experience of sex.
I'm just learning about it.
Would you be open to learning about it with me?
Shall we explore touching it together and I'll give you some guidance?
That's why it's really important for you to have been there yourself.
It would just be for me a simple conversation like why and what and where.
Invite a kind of a play with it.
It doesn't have to be so serious.
Let's get curious and play and then you can ask him, can you feel it when you're inside
of me?
Like when we're making love, can you feel it?
What does it feel like?
Can you let me know when you think you're on it?
And it can be like a curious playful dance and that's how I would bring this to my lover.
Usually I would stare away from hugely significant scary conversations of like, all of this trauma
might come up inside of me.
Don't go there.
I say a bit light about it, but that's my way.
So it might not be your way, but it's like start with a conversation, start with why
and then slowly start exploring what feels good while you're making love.
Now it's tricky with the men stuff and this is why I'm running an entire program around
it because for you and him to get the most out of it, okay, he needs to be able to hold
himself, which you've already sort of discovered.
He needs to be able to really know his center and really understand his little boy wounds
that might come up in response to his woman in her absolute wild witch goddess.
So we're going next level now.
So this is after like, let's say you're just being a light little crazy play, you know,
and it's like nothing too significant.
You know, the ideal your man is like, he doesn't need validation from you with touch anymore.
Like, you know, he's open for you to tell him how you'd like to be touched.
And then he, his journey is about getting super sensitive and doing his own dearmoring
work and doing his own release work and even anally and that can be a real edge for men.
So that's an auction.
But you know, the guy who is one of the guys who's teaching in the men's program, he's
a huge believer in men learning how to receive.
Oh yeah.
I agree with so too.
I think it will help them be better lovers on it will understand what it's like.
That's right.
And then the next part is learning how to touch your cervix and then we move into making love.
But the interesting thing about touching the cervix is, oh, this is going to go into a
big wormhole.
I think, like, there are three, there are three main ways that I that I encourage partners
to practice.
And one is you allow him to explore with your permission to the limits that you feel comfortable
with you just allow him to have an experience of feeling himself.
And that's why his sensitizing work is so important.
And so it's in your kind of consent, I suppose, that he is allowed to just like explore and
feel for himself.
And it doesn't just completely go off in his own world.
He's like present with you and like, oh, this is what I can feel here.
What do you feel?
And so he's having his session and then it's more of a collaboration where you're guiding
him and he's exploring.
And then the final one is he only is in service of you and is only listening and you're 100%
guiding the experience.
So we train in going far out into some of these dynamics and then you can let it all
go and then at least you're both empowered in your own ways.
And then love making and it's just learning some of the energetics of the work.
So it goes really deep into energetics.
But the energetics, it's advanced practice because before you get to the energetics,
you've got to be down in the body, which is what we said earlier.
And so I never really speak much on the energetics because it can be very abstract.
But I remember listening to conversations like that while I was still using my foot
long vibrator, being like, that just feels completely impossible and like a myth.
And this is why it becomes like, oh, well, is that even possible because you might have
heard teachers speaking in this very abstract ways about the energy and about, it just seemed
like magic.
It seemed like something that was so far out of what was possible for me because I was
still very much, I was not even really properly in my body.
I was not even really properly in the 3D, let alone in the 5D.
I was like, not even fully able to feel myself physically.
And so there's a long journey for us, humanity, to be able to feel ourselves.
This is why we're going to wars and why we're hurting the earth is because we can't feel
ourselves.
We're so disconnected from our own bodies and our own feelings.
And so we don't want to go touch the cervix because we know that inside maybe we're going
to have to feel all these things that we've avoided.
Yeah.
I feel like it is right to not allowing people to get to the energetics after they get into
the body in terms of just by themselves.
I feel like it's a natural progression for people.
For people, once they get into the body, then energetics and all of that just becomes a natural
new exploration that comes as a result of embodiment.
And yes, then you don't want anything superficial or you don't want war.
You don't want to inflict pain to anything.
It's a very natural state to be in.
Yeah.
Once you get that sensitive, it's a very interesting process for me.
I never thought you'd get me out of a city.
I was such a city girl.
Save.
Well, either it's because I've gotten older or I've just gotten so sensitive.
Now I crave being in quiet, open planes.
Because I'm so attuned to sensation, all the sensation of nature is so beautiful.
It's a lot.
It's enough.
And I go into a city.
I'm like, holy moly.
And we have to armor up a bit.
We have to arm it to resist in a city.
And you know, I still haven't let go of my city life.
I still can't do it, but I now have bought myself a van so I can do my half-time van
life and go off and be in the countryside when I need to.
But yeah, it seems to become this increasing sensitivity.
I relate 100%.
I'm still in my London life, but I am going to move to country next year, which is so,
so cool.
And I can't believe it.
I've been a city girl, London girl, you know, and now I'm, phew, I can't wait.
Just wake up.
And I did that for the past year.
I've actually lived part-time in countryside.
I can't wait to again wake up and just be in the forest.
Oh, yes.
Wow.
Okay.
So it's not just me.
Good.
If everybody was exploring their cervix and if all the, all those who don't have one would
still be aware of it and connect to it in any shape or form, it probably would be a better
society.
Oh, this is the answer.
Yes, exactly.
And you know, when men start realizing how making love with a cervix is online when they're
online can completely transform them, you know, imagine how men would treat women differently
knowing this power inside of us and also how it benefits them rather than shutting it
down or ignoring it or staying addicted to porn.
I allow that part of me to come online as well.
And we just are very clear that we have a whole range of ways that we can make love.
And we also know, because we've crossed our limits with making love like animals.
Yeah.
We can go back to having a much more conscious and ultimately more rewarding way of making
love that I think is very sustainable for long-term couples.
And it's very sustainable for just our own desire to have sex because there's so much
more in it for us once we have our cervix online and once we're able to feel so deeply.
And I think some of the myths around, you know, is internal orgasm even possible is
because still the majority of women making love won't have an orgasmic experience.
When I'm having sex like an animal, I'm not really having an orgasmic experience.
It's very pleasurable, but it's not very orgasmic, you know, it's orgasmic for him.
Yeah.
And that's the whole thing.
That's the whole feminist kind of perspective.
It's like, oh, well, sex is great for him.
He gets to ejaculate.
And so this model of sex, which is really cervix aligned, opens up some more orgasmic
experiences for us too.
I think it is actually ultimately more sustainable for a couple and for us women because I know
that there's no pressure.
We don't have to go anywhere.
It doesn't have to become anything.
It's just us meeting the moment with each other and slowly opening and expanding together.
Cervic-centered love making.
I love that.
Even as a term and as an explanation.
Mm-hmm.
Sounds so good.
Yeah.
It's just allowable to have such a deep experience.
More of the dimensions of our pelvis are opened up.
And that's because you've been doing your own dearmoring work and your own, your own
presencing work.
So, you know, one of the hardest things for me to share with women is like, you know,
resistance will come up.
Have a break of the journey for a second.
Come back when you're ready.
It can be a lifelong exploration, but it's not going to be a quick one necessarily.
So yeah, be patient.
Just be patient.
You know, there's no hurry.
Oh, thank you.
I would love to finalize our podcast here.
However, are there any programs that you that are upcoming that you would like to share
with our audience?
Yes.
So, we actually will be opening up for the men again in January because we're doing the
two modules on touch.
It's going to be an opportunity for men to rejoin.
For women, I'm going to do a 21-day journey.
Very accessible, cold encounters.
Just starting with really simple ways of exploring and experiencing your cervix, not even with
your finger.
So, it's really accessible to anyone, even if you've got some fear.
And that's all I can say right now.
Oh, cool.
That's amazing.
That's already really, really good.
And I really hope more men will be joining these programs.
That's just for me, I feel like this is an essential education that they shall have.
Oh, when 21 days sounds good.
It's a perfect entry point, as you're saying.
Yes.
That's the intention.
Amazing.
Thank you so much for this podcast.
It will be incredible.
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