WEBVTT 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:37.079 The podcast is sponsored by Startupsummit .io, 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:40.100 a today event bringing together 2 ,000 founders, 00:00:40.420 --> 00:00:42.740 investors and industry leaders from across Europe. 00:00:43.420 --> 00:00:45.159 As a thank you for being part of the podcast 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.539 community, we are now offering 50 % off all tickets 00:00:48.539 --> 00:00:51.539 by using the code podcast in all capitals on 00:00:51.539 --> 00:00:54.020 the website. See you in Lisbon. Hi, and welcome 00:00:54.020 --> 00:00:56.359 to another episode of the Innovation Conversation. 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:58.600 Today we are joined by Hunter Earls. Hunter, 00:00:58.659 --> 00:01:00.960 welcome to the podcast. Yeah, thank you, Ricardo. 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:02.600 Hunter, would you like to introduce yourself 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:05.239 to the audience, please? Yes. So my name is Hunter 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.680 Earls. I am a 17 -year -old in Louisville, Kentucky. 00:01:08.819 --> 00:01:10.480 I'm going into my senior year of high school 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:12.739 right now. And really since like eighth grade 00:01:12.739 --> 00:01:14.739 and even in grade school, I've been doing a lot 00:01:14.739 --> 00:01:17.420 of investments, but also entrepreneurship with 00:01:17.420 --> 00:01:19.480 different companies, crypto, all in this sort 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:21.900 of tech space. And now, I mean, obviously we 00:01:21.900 --> 00:01:25.319 met over LinkedIn and I was absolutely impressed 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.060 with what you're doing, which is history. AI? 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:31.900 AI? Yes, so currently I'm actually working on 00:01:31.900 --> 00:01:33.420 two different projects right now, one of which 00:01:33.420 --> 00:01:36.319 being Hashtat .ai, which is where you can talk 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.719 to historical figures through AI models, right? 00:01:38.939 --> 00:01:41.079 So you can talk to Aristotle, George Washington, 00:01:41.140 --> 00:01:42.480 and they respond in their vernacular, right? 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:44.840 Something fun that I did is I gave Aristotle 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:46.579 my English paper, right, to look over and he 00:01:46.579 --> 00:01:49.799 goes, Ostow, you know, inquire about my writing 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:51.340 services or whatever, you know. So it's just 00:01:51.340 --> 00:01:53.260 a really fun thing to do there and that also 00:01:53.260 --> 00:01:55.640 gives such a deep insight. to the different people 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.159 and it uses, you know, historical facts and stuff 00:01:58.159 --> 00:01:59.439 like that. It's just a really fun way to learn 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:03.519 about history. And how did it come up with the 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:07.349 idea? Basically, last year, our junior year, 00:02:07.810 --> 00:02:10.250 we are required to take different theology classes 00:02:10.250 --> 00:02:12.610 at Catholic High School. So we had to take a 00:02:12.610 --> 00:02:16.449 moral and morality and ethics class. And through 00:02:16.449 --> 00:02:19.129 that class, I learned a lot about ethics and 00:02:19.129 --> 00:02:20.509 all these different philosophers. I'm like, this 00:02:20.509 --> 00:02:22.229 is great fun, right? So I started reading about 00:02:22.229 --> 00:02:24.009 philosophers. And like I was talking earlier, 00:02:24.169 --> 00:02:25.930 I'm like, it'd be really, really cool to be able 00:02:25.930 --> 00:02:28.030 to have a conversation with Aristotle or one 00:02:28.030 --> 00:02:30.569 of these people and give them different moral. 00:02:31.150 --> 00:02:32.789 dilemmas and see how, what would they do with 00:02:32.789 --> 00:02:35.669 the Charlie problem, right? Or how would Nietzsche 00:02:35.669 --> 00:02:37.409 reply to, you know, whatever, right? So I was 00:02:37.409 --> 00:02:39.590 just like, why don't I build out a service for 00:02:39.590 --> 00:02:42.169 where I can talk to these like just philosophers, 00:02:42.169 --> 00:02:43.490 right? So I was originally going to have something 00:02:43.490 --> 00:02:45.770 called moralist .ai. I do all this work and I 00:02:45.770 --> 00:02:48.169 make it. And then I had a look back at the domain 00:02:48.169 --> 00:02:49.990 and it's gone. And I'm like, oh my goodness, 00:02:50.370 --> 00:02:52.229 I just lost this like whole thing. And I went 00:02:52.229 --> 00:02:54.330 and checked everything. I'm like, okay, well 00:02:54.330 --> 00:02:57.409 now we got to pivot here a little bit. I ended 00:02:57.409 --> 00:02:59.050 up just switching it to be more general, which 00:02:59.050 --> 00:03:00.770 I feel like has helped more because it has such 00:03:00.770 --> 00:03:01.990 a larger audience and more people are going to 00:03:01.990 --> 00:03:04.069 be interested in that compared to some philosophical 00:03:04.069 --> 00:03:06.270 thing that might be interesting for a few seconds. 00:03:06.430 --> 00:03:07.830 Oh, you get your question answered. Okay, cool. 00:03:07.909 --> 00:03:09.569 Now you move on. But then you're able to play 00:03:09.569 --> 00:03:11.469 around with so many different figures. Where 00:03:11.469 --> 00:03:14.460 do you learn to code? Was it in school? Yeah, 00:03:15.340 --> 00:03:17.560 basically ever since like even sixth grade I've 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:19.379 been like, you know on computer games whatever 00:03:19.379 --> 00:03:20.939 people always mention like oh you like games 00:03:20.939 --> 00:03:22.500 you should do like computer game programming 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:24.460 or something, right? So I sort of was following 00:03:24.460 --> 00:03:26.379 that same idea I got a computer myself and I 00:03:26.379 --> 00:03:28.139 was playing around with it It was fun to make 00:03:28.139 --> 00:03:30.099 stuff, but by no means was I any expert, right? 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.319 We do like Minecraft servers and I had to teach 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:34.900 everybody what a file is to upload their Minecraft 00:03:34.900 --> 00:03:37.319 mods So we all could play modern Minecraft together, 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.759 right? And then I would like teach myself like 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:41.580 I remember in sixth grade, right? I was learning 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:44.500 while loops And once I got there, my sixth grade 00:03:44.500 --> 00:03:46.400 brain was spry. It didn't know what like the 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.099 most basic loop was, right? And then eventually 00:03:49.099 --> 00:03:50.800 over time, I sort of started picking it up a 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:52.280 little bit more and more. And then in school, 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:53.979 I've been taking some of like the AP computer 00:03:53.979 --> 00:03:55.460 science classes and those definitely helped, 00:03:55.539 --> 00:03:57.259 but they weren't necessarily to the same depth 00:03:57.259 --> 00:03:59.120 I was using, right? Like the same time I was 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.419 using AP Java to make say some class for animals, 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:04.599 I was coming home to code web apps that will 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:06.979 like use ChatGBT and all these different API 00:04:06.979 --> 00:04:09.020 integrations, which is definitely a few steps 00:04:09.020 --> 00:04:10.659 ahead of what we were doing in class. Interesting. 00:04:10.780 --> 00:04:13.000 And then, you know, how How hard was it to build, 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.259 you know, past AI? Yes. So basically when I was 00:04:16.259 --> 00:04:18.459 going into the whole like AI web app thing first, 00:04:18.459 --> 00:04:21.279 right, I started with a smaller project, AISATitle 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.699 .com. I was in my English class and he's like, 00:04:23.860 --> 00:04:25.500 okay, you know, you can use like AI for your 00:04:25.500 --> 00:04:27.480 stuff, whatever, but like... you know, don't 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:29.420 just turn it into a chat chibi TSA or anything. 00:04:29.620 --> 00:04:31.339 But he did say we could use it for like ideas 00:04:31.339 --> 00:04:33.079 for titles, right? So I'm like, hey, why don't 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.019 I just make one that would be basically generating 00:04:35.019 --> 00:04:37.240 titles, but at a much more detailed level where 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.139 you can put in a lot of parameters and get a 00:04:39.139 --> 00:04:40.279 different output, right? So I'm like, that'll 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:42.720 be simple, easy. Still took me like two months, 00:04:42.860 --> 00:04:44.220 right? And I'm like teaching myself all this, 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.540 get like a template, plug some stuff in, use 00:04:46.540 --> 00:04:48.800 all the resources I have. And then eventually 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:50.699 that's out. I'm like, okay, we did something. 00:04:50.980 --> 00:04:53.129 And then, you know. move on to this next larger 00:04:53.129 --> 00:04:55.009 project, which has now taken several months. 00:04:55.370 --> 00:04:57.269 But being in school, obviously, has made it take 00:04:57.269 --> 00:04:58.790 a little bit longer. You know, just some other 00:04:58.790 --> 00:05:01.189 things there. But what's been the response of 00:05:01.189 --> 00:05:03.069 the audience? Like what have people totally like? 00:05:03.310 --> 00:05:04.750 Because obviously, I love the idea. I thought 00:05:04.750 --> 00:05:06.689 it was a brilliant idea. Also, it's very engaging 00:05:06.689 --> 00:05:08.149 to actually be able to talk with, let's say, 00:05:08.310 --> 00:05:10.290 Socrates or something like that and actually 00:05:10.290 --> 00:05:12.889 get their feedback or Shakespeare and just understand 00:05:12.889 --> 00:05:14.490 the way they think. What's been the response 00:05:14.490 --> 00:05:16.720 of the audience so far? So it's actually pretty 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:18.920 interesting. I've talked to a lot of people and 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.339 when I mentioned like the business side, they 00:05:20.339 --> 00:05:22.600 see it more of just like a one -off sort of like, 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.319 oh yeah, it's fun for like 30 minutes, right? 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:26.100 And then it's like, okay, now what? And then 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:27.639 I've also talked like, oh, well, what about bringing 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:29.259 it in schools? And then I also get feedback from 00:05:29.259 --> 00:05:30.420 other people being like, well, that's going to 00:05:30.420 --> 00:05:32.360 be really, really hard, especially with the school 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:33.699 system, you know, being really, really tight 00:05:33.699 --> 00:05:35.139 and they don't have necessarily always are going 00:05:35.139 --> 00:05:37.139 to have the funding to support a project like 00:05:37.139 --> 00:05:38.740 this or something. And then other times it would 00:05:38.740 --> 00:05:40.420 be like, oh my goodness, this is so cool. Like 00:05:40.420 --> 00:05:42.079 they're just love history. They think it's such 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.199 a cool idea and being able to do all these things. 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:45.620 So it's pretty mixed. and I think it's pretty 00:05:45.620 --> 00:05:47.699 interesting to talk to one person one day who's 00:05:47.699 --> 00:05:49.300 just like yeah I mean maybe you should just like 00:05:49.300 --> 00:05:51.120 you know keep your options open and then the 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.759 other person's like oh this is so so cool so 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.600 what has been like the biggest lesson so far 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.279 biggest lesson I guess it's just like understanding 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.040 that I don't know everything which I mean it's 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.660 kind of like obvious I was going into that knowing 00:06:01.660 --> 00:06:04.879 that but I'll be like oh yeah here's this simple 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.040 feature right let me just teach myself user authentication 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.639 real quick and then months later I'm like okay 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:11.660 you know what that took a little bit longer than 00:06:11.660 --> 00:06:14.209 I thought it might have and just sort of coming 00:06:14.209 --> 00:06:15.990 in with, oh yeah, it'll be done in a week and 00:06:15.990 --> 00:06:17.910 then it turns into however long. I feel like 00:06:17.910 --> 00:06:22.250 it's just pretty eye -opening for me. Who's helping 00:06:22.250 --> 00:06:23.850 you out? Do you have anyone helping you out or 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:25.649 are you just building this from scratch? Yeah, 00:06:26.089 --> 00:06:28.550 so me personally, I've always looked around at 00:06:28.550 --> 00:06:29.870 people like, oh, in school, like, hey, do you 00:06:29.870 --> 00:06:31.149 want to work on this together? But often the 00:06:31.149 --> 00:06:32.970 time is, oh, I don't have time. Or even if they 00:06:32.970 --> 00:06:34.899 do, it's like, Well, how are they going to help? 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:36.199 Like they haven't, you know, necessarily done 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:38.120 all the programming or all the stuff that I had 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:39.839 previously, right? So it was kind of hard for 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:41.879 me to find anybody that I'd be able to work with. 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.759 Well, same time, same understanding, right? Same 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.360 goal, same mission. I want to do all this stuff. 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.980 So I often found myself working on all of it 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:51.459 alone. Like I'd share with my classmates. They're 00:06:51.459 --> 00:06:53.259 like, oh yeah, that's cool. And then like even 00:06:53.259 --> 00:06:54.620 like, I remember mentioning it to some friends 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:56.339 and actually like, yeah that's whatever like 00:06:56.339 --> 00:06:58.459 kind of lame like you know as if because they 00:06:58.459 --> 00:07:00.160 aren't doing it so like when I do it it's not 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.220 a school you know. Interesting so you don't don't 00:07:02.220 --> 00:07:04.240 but okay just so I understand is this school 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.300 really into tech like do they actually have a 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:09.699 curriculum for tech or not not so much? So not 00:07:09.699 --> 00:07:11.939 like it's a lot of it's an all -boys school right 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:14.180 so it's going to be like very math science heavy 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:17.420 and all that sort of stuff but in terms of like 00:07:17.420 --> 00:07:19.120 the tech computer science classes there aren't 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:20.839 necessarily a lot of people like I would consider 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:22.720 myself one of the more interested into computer 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.240 science right we have like robotics we have like 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.160 AP Java and all these computer science classes. 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:29.639 But like last year, my junior year, I was taking 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.160 AP Java as the only junior in the class, with 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.199 the rest being seniors who were going to go to 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:35.860 just study engineering. They're just doing it 00:07:35.860 --> 00:07:38.810 for fun. So I only really met one person through 00:07:38.810 --> 00:07:40.470 there who was a year older than me, who we were 00:07:40.470 --> 00:07:41.930 able to actually like talk about and share ideas 00:07:41.930 --> 00:07:43.410 because he's building his own project and it's 00:07:43.410 --> 00:07:45.170 kind of interesting to talk with him. But really 00:07:45.170 --> 00:07:46.889 most people are just caring more about their 00:07:46.889 --> 00:07:48.550 grades than necessarily like projects outside. 00:07:48.910 --> 00:07:50.750 Like yesterday I was talking to some guy, he's 00:07:50.750 --> 00:07:53.009 like super smart, like 36 ACT, you know, like 00:07:53.009 --> 00:07:55.509 all of the crazy AP classes and everything, but 00:07:55.509 --> 00:07:56.689 he doesn't have any of the time to work on the 00:07:56.689 --> 00:07:58.329 cool projects. He's like, man, you're getting 00:07:58.329 --> 00:08:00.129 all these opportunities from these cool projects. 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:03.060 You know, that's so awesome. I only have whatever 00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:05.800 five point million GPA, you know. So what's your 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:08.560 idea for this app? What's your plan? Yeah. So 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:10.439 for this app, basically what I currently have 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.579 is I have a list of different like vice principals 00:08:12.579 --> 00:08:14.180 and principals, and I'd like to email them and 00:08:14.180 --> 00:08:16.600 basically see, hey, how are you using AI in your 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:18.579 school to help your curriculum? And then from 00:08:18.579 --> 00:08:20.199 there we can sort of go, well, hey, I have this 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:22.139 web app you can use. I looked at another thing 00:08:22.139 --> 00:08:24.160 I sort of just generated really quickly for like 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.800 AI teacher lesson plan generator, right? So the 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.120 teachers are going to be able to go in there, 00:08:28.259 --> 00:08:30.240 make their lesson plans, make some stuff. Like 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:31.680 just make it easier on them and it's like, oh, 00:08:31.699 --> 00:08:33.399 if I'm saving you all this time and we can also 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.679 get you this other product for free, right? You 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.240 know, sort of make a deal that way would be very 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.679 nice. But definitely, you know, B2C. But B2B 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:41.580 is going to be the biggest one, right? Because 00:08:41.580 --> 00:08:43.519 if you're only getting say $20 a month from one 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.720 customer, even $20 a month is kind of a hard 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.000 sell for just such a niche. Like only, you know, 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.279 just talk to the historical figures. It's like 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.000 when in your day are you expecting to do that, 00:08:52.059 --> 00:08:53.940 right? Sort of like, oh, when are you going to 00:08:53.940 --> 00:08:56.720 integrate a quadratic function, right? Or do 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.220 like trigonometry. It's just sort of more for 00:08:58.220 --> 00:09:00.669 the fun of it and to be able to do it, but in 00:09:00.669 --> 00:09:03.409 school it has that more use case. So that's sort 00:09:03.409 --> 00:09:05.309 of why I'm pushing more to them. And also you're 00:09:05.309 --> 00:09:06.929 going to be able to negotiate larger deals, right? 00:09:06.950 --> 00:09:08.649 If you're just trying to sell like say one or 00:09:08.649 --> 00:09:11.110 two clients to pay $20 a month compared to one 00:09:11.110 --> 00:09:12.929 or two schools, which pay thousands of dollars 00:09:12.929 --> 00:09:14.529 a month, considering how many students they have, 00:09:14.610 --> 00:09:16.909 even if it's $1 a student, right? Something like 00:09:16.909 --> 00:09:18.490 that. I'm curious on one thing, cause you know, 00:09:18.610 --> 00:09:21.190 we're still in high school. Where did this entrepreneurial 00:09:21.190 --> 00:09:24.179 spirit came from? because you should just be 00:09:24.179 --> 00:09:25.740 in school and study like how that came about. 00:09:26.139 --> 00:09:28.059 Are all your colleagues like this or is it just 00:09:28.059 --> 00:09:32.120 you very much a go -getter? Yeah, so I definitely 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:34.639 have a lot of friends who are in a similar space 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.919 as me. Like I was talking in eighth grade, we 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.210 were doing some crypto stuff. We had and investment 00:09:40.210 --> 00:09:42.269 like group basically with like crypto so we'd 00:09:42.269 --> 00:09:44.870 like go up and pitch eighth grade like boardroom 00:09:44.870 --> 00:09:46.649 at the front of the board with like a presentation 00:09:46.649 --> 00:09:48.990 that we made the night before about crypto blockchain 00:09:48.990 --> 00:09:51.450 talking about all of that and it was just sort 00:09:51.450 --> 00:09:53.029 of like an interesting experience to be able 00:09:53.029 --> 00:09:54.889 to be on that side and then also to be able to 00:09:54.889 --> 00:09:56.730 do like crypto investing and this is in like 00:09:56.730 --> 00:09:58.909 2022 right bitcoin's not a hundred thousand dollars 00:09:58.909 --> 00:10:01.740 then right It was doing its first bull run, so 00:10:01.740 --> 00:10:03.860 when we see it peak down from 60 ,000, we start 00:10:03.860 --> 00:10:05.179 freaking out because we're in the eighth grade 00:10:05.179 --> 00:10:07.500 with all our money in crypto. But one day I actually 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:10.240 made $1 ,000 trading. I thought I was so cool. 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:11.940 None of my parents cared, and I'm like, what? 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:13.980 This is insane. And then, of course, the next 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:15.259 day, it's like, well, I'm in eighth grade or 00:10:15.259 --> 00:10:16.940 trading crypto. What am I doing? So I didn't 00:10:16.940 --> 00:10:19.480 necessarily end the best there. But yeah, and 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.240 then from then, I just understood that in computer 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.080 science, or any sort of tech field, you can't 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:28.470 just like... do like the AP class and then just 00:10:28.470 --> 00:10:31.090 apply to take it like just there's so much waiting 00:10:31.090 --> 00:10:32.629 that I'd have to do and there's no reason I couldn't 00:10:32.629 --> 00:10:35.269 start now and in terms of tech I've always understood 00:10:35.269 --> 00:10:38.549 like if you want to be able to make a bajillion 00:10:38.549 --> 00:10:40.789 dollars I end up using that phrase a little bit 00:10:40.789 --> 00:10:43.029 too much now but you're gonna have to sort of 00:10:43.029 --> 00:10:44.950 have your own business and I sort of see with 00:10:44.950 --> 00:10:47.730 AI the amount of necessary employees going down 00:10:47.730 --> 00:10:49.929 and then the amount of like revenue sort of going 00:10:49.929 --> 00:10:52.110 up so you're gonna have maybe like a thousand 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:55.269 companies with ten employees compared to a hundred 00:10:55.309 --> 00:10:58.009 companies like a thousand and then if you just 00:10:58.009 --> 00:10:59.070 start one of those companies, right? There's 00:10:59.070 --> 00:11:01.370 so many like different ways you can poke it and 00:11:01.370 --> 00:11:03.990 then you'd have like in terms of revenue per 00:11:03.990 --> 00:11:06.149 employee is going to be like say tenfold possibly. 00:11:06.309 --> 00:11:08.409 So why not? I guess it's gonna be so much harder 00:11:08.409 --> 00:11:10.669 to be one of those employees. So if you can just 00:11:10.669 --> 00:11:12.149 be in the position where you're able to start 00:11:12.149 --> 00:11:14.269 something where that could be the case, I feel 00:11:14.269 --> 00:11:16.629 like that'd be a lot better. I'm curious on one 00:11:16.629 --> 00:11:18.730 thing because obviously you have the same opinions 00:11:18.730 --> 00:11:21.669 as someone who's been in the industry for decades. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.240 Where did you learn all this? Was it just in 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.059 school or like you spent a lot of time online? 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.159 What's the story? Yeah. So, I mean, I would say 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.580 now I was talking to somebody a few weeks ago 00:11:30.580 --> 00:11:32.440 and it's just like the information has become 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.820 so democratized with all the Internet stuff like 00:11:34.820 --> 00:11:36.700 I've grown up my entire life watching YouTube 00:11:36.700 --> 00:11:39.500 videos and TikToks or whatever. I mean, I'm not 00:11:39.500 --> 00:11:41.320 really on any of the short form social medias, 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.419 but I mean, I woke up today at like eight and 00:11:43.419 --> 00:11:45.019 I just started watching YouTube for like two 00:11:45.019 --> 00:11:46.539 hours and then I fell back asleep, you know. 00:11:47.139 --> 00:11:49.080 So definitely I've just like learned a lot through 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.360 that. I've talked to people and I feel like it's 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.850 just sort of Easy, I guess in a sense because 00:11:53.850 --> 00:11:55.490 it's like, oh well here I'm just gonna be on 00:11:55.490 --> 00:11:56.850 Snapchat, Snapchat by friends and then I get 00:11:56.850 --> 00:11:59.149 a video of like, Andrew Tate giving me his like, 00:11:59.269 --> 00:12:01.110 new business plan or something, you know? And 00:12:01.110 --> 00:12:02.610 I'm like, oh, that's kind of interesting or you 00:12:02.610 --> 00:12:04.070 know, however you want to spin it there. But 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:05.929 just to be able to get all this different information, 00:12:05.990 --> 00:12:08.409 even sometimes like unintentionally. And then 00:12:08.409 --> 00:12:11.309 also myself, I'd read like, starting in freshman 00:12:11.309 --> 00:12:12.690 year, right? I was coming in and I'm like, you 00:12:12.690 --> 00:12:14.029 know, new high school student and everything. 00:12:14.370 --> 00:12:16.169 So I started reading like a lot of different 00:12:16.169 --> 00:12:18.789 books and basically it was like once every other 00:12:18.789 --> 00:12:21.720 week, right? and then now I'd read like say 40 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:23.080 and they all were non -fiction right they're 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.320 completely like I guess the most geek books like 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.600 Headwood Friends and Influence People, Atomic 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:29.960 Habits by like James Clear you know all the really 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.440 really like non -fiction I guess more like intellectual 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.240 books like I was reading like philosophy like 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.740 Epictetus's Discourses and Fragments right so 00:12:36.740 --> 00:12:38.000 I feel like I've learned a lot of stuff from 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:39.480 there and then also writing out all the notes 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.000 and really sort of studying a little bit on that. 00:12:42.500 --> 00:12:44.700 It's quite impressive. I mean is it hard to find 00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:46.799 a community? because you're still in high school 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.559 is it hard to meet friends who actually are into 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.440 the same type of stuff you are it's actually 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:53.220 quite quite easy with the internet and all that 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:55.620 i mean it definitely is a million times easier 00:12:55.620 --> 00:12:57.080 going to be with the internet like i could just 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.340 join some discord group where it's like hustlers 00:12:59.340 --> 00:13:02.559 university or something you know um like that 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:05.039 but i've also found that just if you go to people 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.100 who are really really smart right they're going 00:13:07.100 --> 00:13:09.419 to be really really smart and be able to have 00:13:09.419 --> 00:13:11.779 like a lot of interesting ideas and i again you 00:13:11.779 --> 00:13:13.710 know watching another video right I feel like 00:13:13.710 --> 00:13:15.850 I do this a lot now on YouTube and it was basically 00:13:15.850 --> 00:13:20.110 just showing like the importance of how much 00:13:20.110 --> 00:13:22.429 businesses value IQ and to be able to see that 00:13:22.429 --> 00:13:23.950 and some of the people I was hanging out with 00:13:23.950 --> 00:13:25.490 was really really really interesting and how 00:13:25.490 --> 00:13:27.370 they can just like look at a problem and intuitively 00:13:27.370 --> 00:13:29.929 understand what the best best step is. I mean 00:13:29.929 --> 00:13:32.110 even yesterday I was hanging out doing some synthetic 00:13:32.110 --> 00:13:34.379 biology team through the University of Louisville, 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:36.919 all the people there, they think, oh, I'm all 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:38.539 cool stuff because I have whatever projects. 00:13:38.620 --> 00:13:40.840 They're like, what? You get to go to Bright Portugal 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.399 for the Startup Summit. And I'm like, yeah. But 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.500 they're also taking Calculus BC like last year. 00:13:46.700 --> 00:13:48.580 And I'm like, I don't even know how to do that 00:13:48.580 --> 00:13:51.620 next year. So where do you see yourself? This 00:13:51.620 --> 00:13:52.960 is actually going to be a lot of fun in five 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:54.500 years. But where do you see yourself in five 00:13:54.500 --> 00:13:57.519 years? So right ideally like next to my next 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.220 step here, right? Just immediately is gonna be 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:01.299 going to college after high school and my biggest 00:14:01.299 --> 00:14:03.259 thing there is just not having debt because like 00:14:03.259 --> 00:14:04.639 I was saying if I want to be able to have some 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:07.779 sort of software Thing like that and then I graduate 00:14:07.779 --> 00:14:10.820 with $200 ,000 in debt. It's like, oh well now 00:14:10.820 --> 00:14:12.379 I'm forced into whatever job and that's pretty 00:14:12.379 --> 00:14:14.200 fun But if like I was saying earlier, I'm not 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:15.940 gonna be able to find this job in software engineering 00:14:15.940 --> 00:14:17.779 Not necessarily gonna be the case, but I'm not 00:14:17.779 --> 00:14:19.620 gonna say it's a zero percent chance, right? 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:22.620 Yeah, and I'm $200 ,000 in debt Then what right 00:14:22.620 --> 00:14:25.360 so my biggest thing is going to get some sort 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:26.860 of school. That'll be good I was looking at University 00:14:26.860 --> 00:14:28.539 of Alabama for instance pretty cheap a lot of 00:14:28.539 --> 00:14:30.240 great opportunities there So I'll probably look 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.299 somewhere like that get something cheap be able 00:14:32.299 --> 00:14:34.240 to pay for it completely almost by the time I'm 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.080 out so that way I'm not stuck with whatever debt 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.179 being able to build a software product Honestly, 00:14:38.179 --> 00:14:39.940 I'd love to do something like that in college 00:14:39.940 --> 00:14:44.259 if at all possible Well, you know the AI feel 00:14:44.259 --> 00:14:45.879 is quite busy right now so people are getting 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:50.629 crazy salaries Signing bonuses. Yeah LinkedIn 00:14:50.629 --> 00:14:52.210 Reels, it's not necessarily the best for me, 00:14:52.210 --> 00:14:54.269 but I keep hearing about the billion -dollar 00:14:54.269 --> 00:14:57.269 deals. I mean, there's plenty a lot smaller than 00:14:57.269 --> 00:14:59.389 that that you can still get, or if you manage 00:14:59.389 --> 00:15:01.070 to build something as big as the ones they're 00:15:01.070 --> 00:15:03.769 building, why not? It's not accessible, it's 00:15:03.769 --> 00:15:05.230 just a matter of doing it. I'd like to think 00:15:05.230 --> 00:15:07.049 that. I feel like I always say, I hope so, when 00:15:07.049 --> 00:15:08.330 people are like, oh, you're going to be rich, 00:15:08.350 --> 00:15:10.230 and I'm like, yeah, well, I hope so. There's 00:15:10.230 --> 00:15:12.649 so many variables. We're quite young. So the 00:15:12.649 --> 00:15:14.590 thing is, it's all about the attitude. The better 00:15:14.590 --> 00:15:16.090 attitude you have, the higher the likelihood 00:15:16.090 --> 00:15:20.179 of it. What do you have to build in the future? 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:22.440 What's your next company going to be about? Do 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.000 you have any ideas about it? See, I was talking 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.580 to this other guy. For the past month, since 00:15:28.580 --> 00:15:30.320 I've started posting on LinkedIn, getting a little 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.600 bit more outreach, I've gotten a lot of people 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.000 reaching out to me who are also just more willing 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:34.559 to meet, right? So I was talking to this one 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.320 guy a few weeks ago now, and he was just like, 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:40.080 I can tell you're an ideas guy, right? And just 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:41.759 a little bit, and you're going to be getting 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.039 a lot of ideas, and then go just test stuff out, 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.159 build, build, build, and get feedback on that. 00:15:46.250 --> 00:15:48.309 I mean, I'm actually working on a new project 00:15:48.309 --> 00:15:52.590 with one of my friends, 36ACT, right, for tutoring 00:15:52.590 --> 00:15:55.669 and like SAT, ACT studying. So I think that might 00:15:55.669 --> 00:15:58.669 be what we're working on right now. And I think 00:15:58.669 --> 00:16:01.250 out of all the projects, this has had the like 00:16:01.250 --> 00:16:04.250 coolest to me personally, and also the most interesting 00:16:04.250 --> 00:16:07.909 and best model. I don't mean to talk about it 00:16:07.909 --> 00:16:09.350 a crazy amount or anything. I mean, we're just 00:16:09.350 --> 00:16:11.970 sort of getting some stuff going for it, but 00:16:11.970 --> 00:16:14.080 yeah. And I'm assuming you're incorporating a 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.279 lot of AI for this certain project. Yeah, basically, 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:20.519 sure, the tutors upload their questions, right? 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:21.820 So like, here's we'll make their own questions, 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.879 they upload them to the site. And then people 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:25.600 are able to use the questions for free. If they 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.679 really, really like these questions, or the video 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:29.559 explanations that could be attached, they can 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:31.799 then book directly with the tutor through our 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:33.419 app. And then we get percent on that. And then 00:16:33.419 --> 00:16:35.240 they can also pay for your monthly AI insights. 00:16:36.590 --> 00:16:37.929 So that would basically be how it would be. And 00:16:37.929 --> 00:16:39.610 it'd be like, oh, you keep doing this many questions, 00:16:40.049 --> 00:16:41.710 you know, your score is going to improve by this 00:16:41.710 --> 00:16:43.549 much. And it's just always shown the more questions, 00:16:43.750 --> 00:16:45.129 practice questions you do, the higher score you 00:16:45.129 --> 00:16:47.250 get. So as long as we keep getting good practice 00:16:47.250 --> 00:16:48.889 questions to give them and they keep getting 00:16:48.889 --> 00:16:50.090 practice, they're just going to improve their 00:16:50.090 --> 00:16:52.629 score. So, I mean, there's no real loss there. 00:16:53.129 --> 00:16:54.950 And, you know, what do you do when you run into 00:16:54.950 --> 00:16:56.710 a challenge, like a massive challenge? You're 00:16:56.710 --> 00:16:58.470 trying to learn something. It doesn't work. What 00:16:58.470 --> 00:17:00.690 do you do? Well, I think it definitely depends 00:17:00.690 --> 00:17:02.409 on my mood because some days I might just go 00:17:02.409 --> 00:17:04.069 and play Minecraft. I don't know if I can say 00:17:04.069 --> 00:17:06.519 that or not. but yeah I feel like also a lot 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.759 of the times now with again all these technologies 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.099 that I'm now growing up with right I basically 00:17:11.099 --> 00:17:12.700 yesterday right I was talking about the synthetic 00:17:12.700 --> 00:17:14.779 biology thing I'm doing at University of Louisville 00:17:14.779 --> 00:17:17.240 and it was this huge packet they gave us like 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:19.059 I don't understand any of it it's the most dense 00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:21.559 scientific protocol thing I've ever heard that 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:23.579 they're supposed to be doing today I'm like I 00:17:23.579 --> 00:17:25.900 don't get this so I found the PDF online right 00:17:25.900 --> 00:17:27.500 I put it through chat you see I'm like tell me 00:17:27.500 --> 00:17:29.119 what I'm doing here like you know I don't know 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:31.039 so when I when I get a challenge or something 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.009 that I'm like really confused on or I'm just 00:17:33.009 --> 00:17:34.809 like, I don't know what to do next. You can write 00:17:34.809 --> 00:17:36.230 it out and you might be able to understand some 00:17:36.230 --> 00:17:37.789 of it yourself. But when you're really able to 00:17:37.789 --> 00:17:39.789 get it to these like artificial intelligence, 00:17:39.789 --> 00:17:41.390 almost to be able to sort of work through some 00:17:41.390 --> 00:17:43.750 of that for you can always help. But always understand 00:17:43.750 --> 00:17:45.829 at the same time, it's not a genius. And the 00:17:45.829 --> 00:17:47.730 more you use it doesn't necessarily make you 00:17:47.730 --> 00:17:49.289 smarter. Like they were shown with the studies, 00:17:49.529 --> 00:17:51.690 right? The people who use AI to write their essays, 00:17:51.890 --> 00:17:53.970 they had blessed brain activity. And that just 00:17:53.970 --> 00:17:55.250 necessarily isn't going to be the best way to 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:57.970 always go about things. But in terms of like 00:17:58.140 --> 00:18:00.279 Oh, I just don't know what to do next for my 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.680 user authentication. Check with you. How do I 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:04.680 break out user authentication to five steps? 00:18:05.019 --> 00:18:07.279 And then, oh, my domain record isn't verified. 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:09.359 What am I doing wrong? And it's really helpful 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.940 and almost like a walking you through in some 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:14.170 scenarios where it's able to pretty well. But 00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:15.789 there's a lot of, I mean, a lot of the questions 00:18:15.789 --> 00:18:17.829 just told me about a lot of challenges. These 00:18:17.829 --> 00:18:19.990 are things that you would learn traditionally 00:18:19.990 --> 00:18:22.829 from experience. However, if you have AI that 00:18:22.829 --> 00:18:24.910 just tells you this is how you fix that problem 00:18:24.910 --> 00:18:26.529 and you don't need to spend 20 years learning 00:18:26.529 --> 00:18:28.130 all the variables of the problem, just have the 00:18:28.130 --> 00:18:29.869 AI tool. That's actually a pretty cool thing. 00:18:29.950 --> 00:18:31.410 So I don't think that reduces your brain power 00:18:31.410 --> 00:18:33.670 if anything actually increases it because you 00:18:33.670 --> 00:18:36.789 can then fix multiple problems. that would traditionally 00:18:36.789 --> 00:18:38.710 require someone a lot of years of experience, 00:18:39.170 --> 00:18:41.210 actually multiple people with a lot of years 00:18:41.210 --> 00:18:43.730 of experience to fix them. And you just put them 00:18:43.730 --> 00:18:45.750 all in AI, problem solve, you can then move on 00:18:45.750 --> 00:18:47.690 to the next one. It can build bigger and better 00:18:47.690 --> 00:18:49.430 things much, much quicker, which is always good, 00:18:49.430 --> 00:18:51.890 right? Yeah, for sure. I think definitely it 00:18:51.890 --> 00:18:54.049 just becomes a problem when you're sort of, it's 00:18:54.049 --> 00:18:56.750 like you're removing yourself almost from it 00:18:56.750 --> 00:18:58.109 and you're having it do all of it. Like if I 00:18:58.109 --> 00:18:59.930 were to just get, oh, I have a problem and it 00:18:59.930 --> 00:19:01.910 gives me the code to copy and paste in. Like, 00:19:01.910 --> 00:19:04.230 obviously that can help. But at some point it's 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:05.970 like, Well, you never learned how to do it. Now, 00:19:05.990 --> 00:19:07.589 next time when you try to use user authentication, 00:19:08.150 --> 00:19:09.630 you're just going to have it copy and paste over. 00:19:09.710 --> 00:19:11.430 And it's not going to be the same scenario, right? 00:19:11.650 --> 00:19:12.849 If we're going to run into some errors, it's 00:19:12.849 --> 00:19:15.250 not going to be configured the same. I mean, 00:19:15.450 --> 00:19:17.390 maybe there's some sort of work around. But at 00:19:17.390 --> 00:19:19.509 some level, it's best to break it up in steps, 00:19:19.509 --> 00:19:21.730 work through. And yes, you don't need all that 00:19:21.730 --> 00:19:23.690 experience, which definitely helps you go faster 00:19:23.690 --> 00:19:27.440 through it. But maybe the trick is at least this 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:29.640 way. I think it's not about your ability to gather 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.240 information because that's all online. It's all 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.180 available, but it's about your ability to use 00:19:34.180 --> 00:19:36.220 that information to be able to fix problems, 00:19:36.220 --> 00:19:38.400 right? So if you're able to do that, that's it. 00:19:38.420 --> 00:19:40.240 That's all you need. It's the same thing. Like 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.059 if you're the CEO of a massive company, you're 00:19:42.059 --> 00:19:43.519 not going to know everything about everything. 00:19:43.819 --> 00:19:45.440 You're just going to know how to manage people 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:47.559 and then pick the right one to manage that problem 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:49.539 and get the problem fixed. That's kind of it. 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.740 That's the role. Yeah, for sure. All right. And 00:19:53.740 --> 00:19:56.400 I'm just thinking, all right, discuss your future 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:57.880 options. You're going to go to the University 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:00.579 of Alabama. Have you tried applying for any major 00:20:00.579 --> 00:20:03.059 companies like Metta or something like that? 00:20:03.740 --> 00:20:05.700 Honestly, I hadn't even had any of those thoughts 00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:08.259 crossed my mind. I feel like I've just been so 00:20:08.259 --> 00:20:10.079 focused on a lot of the things I'm doing, but 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.720 also in terms of big tech. Like if, for instance, 00:20:13.740 --> 00:20:16.680 I went to apply to go to Metta, I mean, not necessarily 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.759 now, I wouldn't think, but in the future. I mean, 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:21.420 I feel like that would just be such a great idea. 00:20:21.950 --> 00:20:24.470 Got an opportunity, well, possibly like an opportunity 00:20:24.470 --> 00:20:26.789 to go and do a show at Netflix like I was talking 00:20:26.789 --> 00:20:28.450 about earlier. Well, I wasn't talking about earlier, 00:20:28.569 --> 00:20:30.049 but - You were talking about meet early, but 00:20:30.049 --> 00:20:32.230 not on camera. So yeah, basically that would 00:20:32.230 --> 00:20:33.549 be such a great opportunity if I'm able to meet 00:20:33.549 --> 00:20:35.289 a lot of the people at Netflix and then, oh, 00:20:35.289 --> 00:20:36.930 I want to get a software engineering job at Netflix 00:20:36.930 --> 00:20:39.150 after I just got this huge intro talking about 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:40.970 tech and my startups and everything, right? That 00:20:40.970 --> 00:20:43.369 would be a great place. And I understand like 00:20:43.369 --> 00:20:45.450 I'm not opposed if by any means to some sort 00:20:45.450 --> 00:20:47.190 of big tech salary, like I'll take that. But 00:20:47.190 --> 00:20:48.869 I also at the same time would want to be able 00:20:48.869 --> 00:20:51.410 to work. on my own projects, just some sort of 00:20:51.410 --> 00:20:54.230 like exponential growth potential, you know. 00:20:54.450 --> 00:20:56.710 Makes sense, makes sense. Hunter, I always ask 00:20:56.710 --> 00:20:59.829 the same question, but this might be weird because 00:20:59.829 --> 00:21:01.569 you're technically underage, but if people want 00:21:01.569 --> 00:21:03.150 to reach out to you, find out more about, you 00:21:03.150 --> 00:21:05.730 know, past AI and stuff you're doing, what's 00:21:05.730 --> 00:21:07.390 the best way of doing so? You have LinkedIn, 00:21:07.450 --> 00:21:09.230 so I'm assuming it's going to be LinkedIn. Yeah, 00:21:09.289 --> 00:21:11.670 so I would say LinkedIn. I'm by no means the 00:21:11.670 --> 00:21:14.329 best at emails or anything under that umbrella. 00:21:15.069 --> 00:21:16.650 Yeah, I feel like LinkedIn is a great place. 00:21:16.890 --> 00:21:19.920 Reach out, connect. I'd love to talk more. Sounds 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:21.640 good. Hunter, thank you so much for your time. 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.519 I'm very much looking forward to interviewing 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.460 you again in five years time. Yeah, thank you. 00:21:26.900 --> 00:21:29.980 All right. Thank you. All right. Bye. The podcast 00:21:29.980 --> 00:21:33.740 is sponsored by Startupsummit .io, a today event 00:21:33.740 --> 00:21:36.619 bringing together 2000 founders, investors and 00:21:36.619 --> 00:21:39.279 industry leaders from across Europe. 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