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Hi, I'm here with Carly and Chase Tnornock.
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We are at Riverbed Ranch, Operation Self-Reliance Intentional Community.
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I'm going to go ahead and turn this around so you can see some of the amazing landscape.
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It's in Utah. Really beautiful. This isn't even the biggest mountains around here, but we are sitting in a
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little black trailer that Carly and Chase have rented to myself and my partner, Chris, while we visit OSR.
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I thought this would be a great opportunity to actually talk with people who are creating part of this community
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and are living this alternative lifestyle of being in an off-grid intentional community.
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We're sitting on this little bench here in the trailer.
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If you can believe it, Chase says, actually, how tall are you?
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Six-one.
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Six-one. The optics of the video are not correct.
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I'm loving it. I'm feeling taller than I ever had.
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Carly is feeling really tall right now.
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Anyway, can you tell me a little bit first about what OSR is, what Riverbed Ranch is, and when it got started,
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a little introduction to the community.
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OSR started, I think, about four years ago now.
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This used to be just a big operation alfalfa, I want to say, or ranch.
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The ranchers decided they didn't want to use it anymore.
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After a few years, it was fallow, we came in and bought it as a co-op.
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This reminds me of Costco, where everybody buys in a piece of it.
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Together, we bought the 2,000 acres, 1,500-2,000 acres.
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We each have two acre plots, and then half of it is set aside for community agriculture.
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The idea is that we'll have a bunch of agriculture to sell to the grocery stores in our community at large
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so we can be fully funded, pay our taxes, make money for businesses and life here,
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and then also be fully self-sufficient on our own two acres.
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Very cool.
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You have to add, Chase.
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Yeah, I think the foundational premise of the community is interesting.
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It is one where you come, it's fully off-grade, which probably goes without saying,
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but it's also a requirement that you do what you can on your property to build a home, a barn, a well, a greenhouse,
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and to do that all in a period of time without any debt.
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The idea is just being that you're self-reliant, obviously in terms of food and energy production, but as well as financially.
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Super cool.
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And since you're sharing, why don't you tell me a little bit about why you guys wanted to be part of this,
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and then I'll ask you the same question.
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Well, Carly's probably the best one to start here.
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Oh, okay.
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She was kind of the impetus, I would say.
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She's always been someone who's been really intentional in the way that we live our life.
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And for me personally, I had come from a corporate background.
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I was the CEO of a software company and got really, really sick in that journey and ran out of options in the medical profession
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and had to figure out how to heal my body, which thankfully I did.
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But a lot of those principles of healing your body have to do with being self-reliant, right?
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Taking care of yourself, knowing where your food comes from, having clean air to breathe and clean water to drink.
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And so I think all those things spoke to me, and then I just loved to invent.
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I love to tinker.
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I love to build.
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And so it's been a wonderful kind of learning experience that way for me.
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Very cool.
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Well, Carly, do you want to jump in and say why you have this interest in self-reliance and intentional living?
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Well, I think it did stem back to when Chase was so sick and we learned all these principles of how we can't be reliant on systems
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or other people to come in and control our health or even our life experience or our happiness.
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And so I got really excited about it and through my research, which is about how houses impact families.
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And so this sub-environment of how your house impacts your family.
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When this idea was proposed to me of we have a community and that impacts how individual families can thrive.
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I love that idea.
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I love that there's no pesticides being sprayed here so that we don't get cross-contamination.
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I love that there's people who are smarter than me here so they can teach me how to grow tomatoes.
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We have never gardened in our life and we're like, yeah, let's own a home set.
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So we're learning a lot and that really appeals to me.
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I like to be around people who are growing too and it's been fun, the people here are fun and the idea is fun.
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And I really like the look on people's faces when I tell them to live off grid and in this community out in the middle of the West Desert.
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So that's fun too.
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Right. And you guys have three incredibly adorable boys.
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Thank you.
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Those ones were in our boys, but yeah, we have three boys.
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Our boys are cute. They're totally cute.
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They're really great.
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I bet they'll be really cuter if I could bring them a puppy since they won't.
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They'll act like a puppy.
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Did they ask you that when you came?
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That was the first thing our youngest son said was, do you have any puppies?
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And we did talk last night about showing him puppy pictures that my stepdaughter has puppies right now.
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Anyway, so as parents, what was the consideration for you about doing this for your family?
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The boys are 6, 8 and 10, right?
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We had already kind of had a fascination in this lifestyle and so it wasn't such a huge jump to us.
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We'd already renovated an RV and made it fully off-grid.
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We were traveling a bit in that and as far as the boys went, we've always homeschooled them.
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Always had an interest in that.
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I think if I wasn't married to Carly, I might have reconsidered that, right? But she's highly educated and she does a really good job teaching them.
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And then as I became more accustomed to having children, they're just curious.
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I feel like in a lot of ways we sometimes beat the curiosity out of them because of their own accord.
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They just want to know. They want to know how things work and why things work.
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They want to know what puppies are.
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And then out here, they're children, right?
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So they'll turn on the hose and play in the mud and chase the bugs and they caught a spider like this big yesterday.
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That's so gross. They loved it.
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I didn't like that one.
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In a lot of ways, children are more adaptable than we adults are.
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Yeah.
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And so they really enjoyed it and we've enjoyed having them here.
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And also kind of having them a little closer to some consequences for their decisions.
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Well, also trying to protect them, obviously, but this environment gives them some lessons that way.
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I really like that it feels like a return to the 80s when I grew up in the 90s where my mom would be like,
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I'm going to Sarah's and she'd be like, hey, come back before dinner.
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And it was a little bit more free range and we can do that here, which is fun.
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It's hot, so they always need a water bottle, but I feel safe in our community.
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I feel safe. And of course, there's different threats like snakes and, you know, precautions that they need to learn about,
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but it's fun to have them take off on their bike and they know how to change a flat tire and they're getting better at directions
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and they stick together and look out for one another and they have those kind of learning independence,
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growing activities that we got that I feel like has kind of trickled out and that a lot of my friends don't feel like
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they can do with their kids even though they want to. They feel like they have to be a little bit more diligent in eyes on all the time.
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It was this interesting paradox that we were surrounded by a lot of wonderful people in the various homes that we lived in,
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but there was this interesting paradox with the children where you let them outside and sometimes people would complain that they were too loud outside.
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And then if you have them inside all the time, the kids need to be outside.
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And then if you let them outside but you weren't watching them close enough, right? You weren't hovering over them.
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You called.
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And you're a negligent parent.
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Right.
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So it was an interesting thing and this being out here, I think, you know, has been helpful that way.
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Yeah, I mean, I wasn't homeschooled, but...
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Back when I grew up.
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Back in the day when we were young, real old.
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You know, we'd come home from school and that was it. We were gone.
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You know, until for hours.
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The street lights came on.
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Yeah, until somebody was standing in the back door yelling for us to come in for dinner or calling the neighbor and saying,
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are they over there? Can you send them home for dinner?
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Totally.
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So when we were in roving packs of healthy children who were playing outdoors.
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Exactly.
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And that was really amazing, actually.
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We have what we call our family von trap whistle, but I whistle loudly in a certain pattern
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and wherever the kids are, if they can hear it, they come, you know, and it's, I don't know,
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I imagine that's something my great-great-grandpa would have done.
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Our neighbor did the same thing.
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We were walking along and trying to find our kids and she just, she was like, yep, yep, like she had her own little thing with her kids.
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They're like, that's a good call. Here's ours.
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And our kids came running, you know, because they heard the mama called. It was so funny.
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Yeah, and there are a lot of kids here, I've noticed.
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And by the way, just for our studio audience, we have a free range fly that's going around.
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So if you see us going like this (they wave their arms), you know, it's the country.
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So we try to get them, but anyway.
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There's like, I think there's 60 kids here between the ages of, I don't know, newborns.
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We have three baby, baby newborn babies.
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And then all the 18-
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Some were born here on their edge just a few months ago.
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One during a blizzard, I think.
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Oh, yes.
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She did a great job.
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Everything turned out fine.
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So your kids have people to play with here?
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Yeah, tons.
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That's great.
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And yeah, talk a little bit whoops...
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Here's that free range fly.
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We should get it.
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So talk a little bit, because folks who are watching this may not know anything about the scope of OSR.
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How many homesteads are planned?
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You know, you already mentioned some of the criteria for each homestead.
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But would you give them an idea?
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So there is currently mentioned of the acreage, half of it is dedicated to homesteads, and there is 200 sites, I think.
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250 lots, yeah.
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And so far, just over half of those, I think, are sold.
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And so you have people at different stages, you know.
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We have, for example, our septic in, our power in, our barn is being built, and our well is in, right?
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So we have our utilities covered, other people have homes that they've built in various construction.
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I think that's appealing to people too, just learning different ways to do things.
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And then everybody gets to do it kind of within their means and within their way.
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And so that's more or less the scope.
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And then, as Carly mentioned too, I think in the future, we become a provider of organic produce to the community here and abroad.
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And hopefully more people will come to not only live but to visit and to buy produce and patronize the different businesses.
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And I should mention that's another tenet of the agreement is that you also agree to have what we call a cottage industry,
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which is just basically, in addition to producing some out agriculture, you can have a different entrepreneurship,
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vein, whatever that may be, and it may be in agriculture, right? And some people are doing that,
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but the idea being self-sufficiency and providing for your family.
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Great. And you mentioned that it's, you need to have a home that's off the grid, no debt.
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And septic, a well, a garden.
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A barn in a greenhouse.
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A barn in a greenhouse.
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And then you have to sell something like a thousand dollars worth of produce annually as part of the co-op,
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which, you know, with today's prices, it's like twelve tomatoes.
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That's right.
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You just gotta learn how to grow tomatoes, Carly and me.
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I had some tomatoes last night that somebody grew here that were unbelievable.
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Best tomatoes I've had all summer. Gigantic, juicy, deep red, really good.
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Jenny. Jenny's got a green thumb.
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Yeah, she's great at it.
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I was like, whoa, okay. Very impressive.
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You can't tell me that that has the same nutritional content as a grocery store tomato.
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They say they do, and then you taste it and you're like, this is not the same thing.
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The different thing, yeah.
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Yeah, this is not the same thing.
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It's pretty amazing. I was watching her slice them and I was starting to like drool.
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Oh, she was slicing the tomatoes.
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Nothing like a store bought tomato.
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Yeah. And then of course you guys have some common facilities as well.
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You have a welcome center, which is like a community house.
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And there's a building that functions as a, like another community meeting center for,
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actually Chris, my partner went out early this morning and he came back and he said,
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The kids are out. They're the greatest source of information.
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That building over there is where everybody gets together to watch movies.
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And they were saying, he was like, I mean, he was telling me about the snakes and they were,
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I can't even remember all the things that he told me that they said! So you
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you have some social activities that are happening and roads that have been built and a green belt that
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will have landscaping presently and trees and what are some of the other common facilities that are planned.
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I really like the idea of an equestrian center and that's kind of in the longterm plan.
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But I think that sounds really appealing because I love the idea of horses.
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I have no background with horses or tomatoes.
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That's a 40 plus.
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But that's fun to me, the idea of learning something like that and to be able to heal through connection with animals as well as with the,
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the world around us. Chase and I have secret visions of building some sort of reservoir or like something like this.
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This is not a plan.
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Yeah, but we, that would be our plan, you know, as the years go on.
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Like a swimming hole.
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Yeah, like some sort of water feature, because that's really the only thing,
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topically that we're missing.
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There's a huge aquifer that we're built over, but to get some water to the surface and get some trees growing and some creeks running,
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that would be so great.
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Yeah, that's what we're hoping for.
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I bet you, Chase, what are you excited about, common, commonality-wise?
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Yeah, the question's interesting and I think it was kind of discussed that it would be a therapy type of center, right?
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And with my background in health and things, I think that's really interesting.
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And there's even a retirement facility that's planned.
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A school, I heard.
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Oh, yeah, a school.
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A larger kind of community center, which we have sitting out there somewhere.
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The parts are ordered.
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So there's quite a few things, I think, in the domestic community that will bode well in the future.
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Yeah, it seems like it's sort of in its teenage years or something.
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People are trying to get their homes built.
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There are some really beautiful homes here and others, a bunch of people in trailers getting in their power and their septic and their wells first,
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but living in more construction trailers as they're putting in other infrastructure and then starting to build their homes.
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So it does seem like it's at every stage of development.
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It really is.
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Here at this point.
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And how about you guys?
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How do you see your plan unfolding time-wise or in general, what are the plans, of course, change?
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Sure, yeah.
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I think for us, we're focused on kind of finishing out the barn.
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The barn, it's interesting when you live out in an environment like this, you are much more beholden to the weather, right?
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And I think coming from a community, you don't recognize that unless the weather is really extreme, right?
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But here, you got to deal with the wind and the rain and the snow.
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And so having a closed-in workshop is really, really useful.
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And so for us, I think the barn, getting the barn done is probably our next step.
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We've suspended a quads that are hot between two shipping containers.
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And the next stages for us are putting up steel, I-beams, which I have in the field that I'm welding base plates onto that will support the end walls of the structure.
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And then we'll start working on the home.
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Okay, cool.
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And then how do people support all of this development? Because it's a project, right?
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Especially thinking about doing this step-free.
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It seems I've encountered some folks who are still working or working remotely.
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Some people who are retired and have means from what they've done in the course of their life.
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How does it work for you guys with three kids?
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We have periods of work and then work.
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So we've both own our own companies and there's times where we'll save up and push to accumulate the funds that we need.
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And then times where we're working to implement those funds and to execute on our projects.
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I think it's interesting and retrospect, of course, hindsight's 20-20, but we thought that we'd come here and build and then be in our 20-year plan house
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within three years.
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And we're starting to learn with our communities. We're all doing this together.
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There's an initial living arrangement that will get you to probably a three-year plan house,
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which a lot of people are doing yurts or little small cottages,
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and then you have your 10-year plan to build your house and to get everything kind of more established.
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Because it just takes longer, especially when you're doing things by hand or with the community's help.
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So we are building our houses. There's not like a five construction crews out here.
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It's all us unless you bring someone in from town.
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So it just takes time and planning and again, weather and seasons and there's lots of other things that you need to do in life work.
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So we just take it as it comes.
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And for us, it's worked pretty well to take winter as the time where we do our businesses.
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I see.
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And we actually leave the ranch in the winter and go where it's warm.
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We take our little trailer and we go to the Gulf of Mexico. That's our favorite place.
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We work and save and save. Then we come back and we can build in the summer.
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I see.
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So that's how we kind of have worked it, but lots of people do it.
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As many people out here are as many ways as it's been done.
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Gotcha. How interesting. And what are some of the challenges?
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Ooh.
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I feel like the pranks.
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Being out here, of being in the community like this, of being pioneers, which you really are.
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I think some of the perks are the challenges.
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Like living close to the weather.
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Sometimes that's awesome and sometimes it's terrifying.
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That can be hard.
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Or you don't really make concrete plans because your plans have to be flexible to the weather.
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So you wake up and you see what kind of a day it is and that kind of determines what you do the day,
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which I love, but it's also a challenge.
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What else, Chase?
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Yeah, I mean every day is a challenge.
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And I think for people who are considering something like this, it's important that you love challenges.
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If that's not for you, it's not...
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Don't do it.
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It's not fun.
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Even as glamorous as it seems.
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But one of the key tenets of my health journey was understanding that my body, in order to heal,
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had to be challenged in certain ways.
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And so it's my belief that challenge is essential for any human.
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And so when you're dealing with those challenges, it allows you to be creative in ways you've never been creative before.
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It allows you to rely on higher powers than just what you have.
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And there's certainly been those times where you're like, I'm in trouble.
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I need some help.
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And whether that's a community, right?
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If someone gets stuck in the mud out there, we're the only ones to help each other.
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And so it's not this...
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We were surrounded by wonderful people who would have helped us in a heartbeat in our neighborhoods.
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But there wasn't that need as much as there is here.
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Because, like I said, you're the only one.
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There is no 911 necessarily.
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And so all of those challenges, I think, afford the opportunities of the lifestyle that we were seeking in particular.
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But it's weather, it's mechanical, it's dirt.
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Yeah, cool.
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Interpersonally, right?
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You got to learn to get along with people and negotiate and all of those things.
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So it's part of the... I love it.
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It's part of the fun, I think.
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Well, it has seemed that I've met some extraordinary people just in the short time that I'm here.
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Very knowledgeable people.
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You have folks who are knowledgeable in the building trades.
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Folks who are knowledgeable in quite a diversity of health.
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Seems like a lot of healthcare providers.
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People who are experienced with high tech.
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Yeah, construction.
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I don't know, it seems like there are multi-talented people that are out here.
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Very smart people.
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Yeah.
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And it's a different age that we live in.
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Because if you would have done this, which you've done it previous to this,
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we have satellite internet, right?
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And so in a lot of ways, it's less about the answers.
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Because you can find the answers.
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And it's more about being creative about your questions.
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And so it's a totally different kind of approach that way.
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Where you still have the world at your fingertips.
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But you're hundreds of miles away from civilization.
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Right, because this is pretty remote.
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The nearest...
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I shouldn't say hundreds of miles.
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But like, dozens.
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And you're about an hour away from the nearest town.
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And that's a relatively small town.
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And you guys are about, what, two and a half hours from Salt Lake City?
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Something like that.
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And over some pretty rough road to get there.
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So that two and a half hours could be a lot more in the winter, it seems like.
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The nearest hospitals, an hour and a half.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Okay, well, cool.
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So if people wanted to come and visit out here, what would your advice be?
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Well, I don't know if I like that much challenge, but I'll go see.
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Come out.
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I'd say come out and spend the night.
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Like what you're doing is so insightful.
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Because you get to see the beautiful 360 degree sunsets.
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And you also get to see the little dust devils that whip through.
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And where you have to turn your back and cover your face.
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Just because it gets intense.
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Because we are building trees and stuff like that.
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So we get a lot of dust.
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But that's not something you can see in an hour.
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Right.
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So come out and see and wear your jeans and your boots.
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It's a different, you can always tell when people come from the city because they're
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white or white.
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My kids will always be like, they're wearing white clothes.
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Or your hair is, you know, curled or whatever.
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And so we're like, oh, they look so beautiful.
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But out here, we were prepared for the weather and prepared to work hard.
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And so come out and see if that's for you.
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Like you could bring an RV out.
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You could camp with us.
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You can just come and stay.
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You can bring a tent, whatever you want to do.
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But it's so fun to be out here and get to know the land a little bit.
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I think that would be my advice.
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Totally.
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What's the best website for them?
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So they can go to osrcommunity.com.
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I think it is.com.
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Maybe I should.
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OSR community.
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Search it in Google.
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Just search it in Google.
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And there's some good information there.
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And that would be, that would be way.
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The other thing I'd add with Carly's suggestion is make sure you have a spare tire or two.
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And you know how to change one.
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Because it is an hour on dirt.
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Without service?
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Yeah, without service.
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Yeah, without cellular service.
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So if you are coming, like we did with you, it's helpful if you're staying in this, for example, this trailer.
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I always tell people, text me when you hit the dirt.
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That way I know you're coming and I know to come looking for you if it takes longer than you expect.
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But this is the lifestyle out here.
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You know, it's just part of the process and come try it out.
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And we do with that texting, what we just said to you, like, text us when you leave.
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That's what we do with everybody in the community.
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So whenever somebody goes into town, it's like the buddy system.
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You're like, hey, I'm leaving.
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Check with me in an hour and a half.
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And if you don't hear from me, please come.
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And you might want to bring your...
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And bring your fly swatter.
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Your fly swatter.
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This time of year at least.
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Yeah, it's fly season.
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We tease it as fly season.
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I think that you guys should have a fly Olympics.
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Fly swatting Olympics.
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This is a great idea.
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We should probably like brand fly swatters.
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Like, oh, I saw her.
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Thanks for coming.
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Yeah, what a great idea.
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Well, what else... anything else you want to share with them?
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And I'll put the website up there.
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Oh, no.
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What else would be fun to share?
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My favorite things are our community movie nights.
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Everything is just so much more...
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I hesitate to say like hard work earned.
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It's because of course when you build anything anywhere, it's through hard work and through focus and through... intentionality.
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But when the first barn was up and it's a cinder block with just a roof that all the men helped put up and all the women cheered them on.
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We put a TV in there.
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We watched a movie all together.
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But it's a different experience than going to somebody's house and watching a movie.
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You know what I mean?
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It's after we've created this place and everybody's blood, sweat and tears are part of it.
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And to be able to be together and have the kids be friends with each other and kind of rough and tumble and have that be an acceptable part of society.
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I love that.
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And it's kind of even similar with church where when we meet for church in the city, I feel like my kids need to be quiet and sit still and be reverent, you know, and pay attention.
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And there's an expectation.
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And here, of course, we want to worship.
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We're there to worship.
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But if my kids are visiting the neighbor or if the little ones run down the aisle, the next, the, the ante just scoops them up, you know, the neighbor will scoop them up and play with them for a second and send them on back.
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And it doesn't feel like the stringent rules of societal politeness and expectations are as strong just because you could clean and wash all you want.
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And then you step out your front door and your hair is tousled and you have dust all over you.
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And so we just roll.
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We just, you just have to roll a little bit.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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And actually, that brings up a good point because most of the folks here are LDS.
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And it seems like the community is very open to anybody who is interested in this lifestyle.
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And my partner and I don't happen to be, you know, from that spiritual tradition, although we have, we're very spiritual.
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But it seems like that's, and it is, we're in Utah, which is largely LDS state, but anybody's walking here is what I understand.
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Anybody who's honest, has integrity, has a good heart, wants to work hard, wants to help out others, cares about kids, cares about the planet.
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And, you know, a place like this tends to both, you know, bring those people here and it does a decent job of rooting that out pretty quick.
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Just because it requires all of those things in a really small community and it's hard work.
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And by no means is this a LDS, Olmick community.
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And as a matter of fact, I think there are several kind of OSR communities planned.
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And I'd imagine you'd see like here, those communities take on a bit of the general flavor of the area where they're established.
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But yeah, just come on out and we'd love to have you.
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And that's an interesting point too, because one of the things I thought was interesting about this model is that there are these different communities planned.
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Different OSRs, Operation Self-Reliance. Land has been found in Arizona, I understand.
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And then, I believe they're intended mostly for the Southwest, is that correct? Or maybe in other parts?
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They even have one up in Canada, do they not?
453
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Oh really? I think they might.
454
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Yeah, it seemed to me like it was kind of a corridor as far as the latitude, yeah, going up and down.
455
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And then the plan that there will be communication or interaction, trade amongst the communities.
456
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That also fascinated me, like a parallel intentional community structure, but that becomes a model that replicates.
457
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Yeah, well we've certainly benefited off of the people who came here before us.
458
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:41,000
And hopefully we can share with those who come after, but even as communities outside, right?
459
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I think there's a general interest and willingness in seeing everybody succeed, because when one succeeds, everybody does better.
460
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000
And the founder is Philip Gleason.
461
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Philip Gleason.
462
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Okay, great.
463
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Well, are you so glad you're here?
464
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Last words? It's really fun to be here. It's fun to be staying in your little trailer.
465
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I feel like intentionality is really the key.
466
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And you can do that in suburbia, you can do that in a city, you can do that in the middle of the off-grid desert, you can do this wherever you are.
467
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But to think about what you want and then to go after it with everything that you have and to be willing to be flexible and to be willing to work hard.
468
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Like both of those extremes, they kind of seem like they are paradoxical, but that's the beauty of it is they are.
469
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And you need both.
470
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000
And to come visit doesn't necessarily require any of that, right?
471
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It's a long drive on the dirt road, but it's totally doable.
472
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Oh yeah.
473
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For people who are curious about it.
474
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Yeah, and we came, I understand that there are visit days planned, usually a couple of days a month that people can sign up for that.
475
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They can find out on the website about.
476
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,000
And that's what we did first was we came for a visit day and said,
477
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okay, well we want to now go and read some of the documentation and watch more of the videos online and we want to think about it and then okay, now we're going to come back for a deeper dive and meet the people.
478
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:18,000
There's a community potluck the third Friday of the month so that you can meet people in the community and then we're going to be going to church service on Sunday.
479
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Oh, fun.
480
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:27,000
And we're looking at the properties that are available so people can take it in layers at their own speed, ask questions.
481
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:40,000
The Jesse Fisher who does a lot of the outreach for the community is really accessible to answer questions and have other folks who've been really available to answer questions.
482
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:52,000
So there's even a Facebook group and we all were the first, you know, the ones who were investigating the ranch, we just called the ranch and all of our parents were always like,
483
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,000
what do you think you're doing?
484
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,000
You're joining a cult.
485
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
This is so scary.
486
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Like there's so many questions that come when you're considering an operation like this and joining something like this.
487
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
So if you have any questions, we are open.
488
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000
The Facebook group is awesome.
489
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Jesse and even Philip are really, really responsive.
490
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:14,000
And so reach out and we'll tell it to you straight because there's nothing gained when somebody comes out here uninformed.
491
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So we think it's helpful to tell it straight.
492
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:25,000
And so far we've been very pleasantly surprised with the people and the situation and how many flat tires we get.
493
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000
But other than that, I love it.
494
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:38,000
And if people want to come and stay in your cute little Airbnb-ish trailer, what's the best way to connect with you guys?
495
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,000
You know, so if you go on to Airbnb and you look out in this area, it's the only dot out here for a long time.
496
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
That's us.
497
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Can't miss that.
498
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
No, but we're on Airbnb.
499
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
What did you call it?
500
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000
It's called the off-grid bug out trailer or something.
501
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Off-grid bug out trailer.
502
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Okay, I'm going to look it up on Airbnb.
503
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Anyway, I wouldn't know exactly how to find it.
504
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
You just search for OSR.
505
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Yeah.
506
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Anyway, you can correlate a map with, you know, where OSR is on Google Maps with Airbnb too.
507
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
We're like directly south of the Great Salt Lake.
508
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000
And directly west of Provo, Utah.
509
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
So if you take the two and that's about where we are.
510
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000
And again, we're the only dot.
511
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If you look on Airbnb.
512
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Okay.
513
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Well, thank you so much for taking the time.
514
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Absolutely.
515
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
I'm doing this interview.
516
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Super fun.
517
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000
All right, we're going to turn this off and do a little more swatting here.
518
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And supplies.
519
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We'll have a training.
520
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Thank you.