1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Ross Ross Bettis yes sir you are the newest member of First Methodist Hobbs so very happy 2 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:24,560 to get a chance to talk to you and have you tell us a little bit about yourself okay and 3 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:31,680 I think you told me you've been here since 2016 2014 yes in Hobbs so tell us a little 4 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,640 bit about yourself we have something in common okay we've both been Wesley Foundation directors 5 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:42,720 yes so that's near and dear to my heart campus ministry at Mississippi State was it Alabama 6 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,440 State Alabama State in Montgomery Alabama yes all right so tell us a little bit about 7 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:56,480 yourself well I consider myself a displaced southerner okay was was raised and bred in 8 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Tuskegee Alabama born in in Indiana though my dad was pursuing his PhD and my mother 9 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:11,040 her masters okay and so was born there in West Lafayette home hospital if anybody went 10 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:17,920 to Purdue they those things should rain familiar and then we went back to Tuskegee because 11 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:25,680 my parents met while my dad was teaching at Tuskegee my mom was a student okay and grew 12 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:35,120 up there went to high school there ended up going to University of Alabama transferred 13 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,120 back to Tuskegee and graduated from Tuskegee so a proud alumnus of Tuskegee University 14 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:50,240 joined the National Guard unit got activated as a junior I think I was a junior so I went 15 00:01:50,240 --> 00:02:03,440 to Desert Storm in 1990 1991 as a a private first class I think came back graduated got out of the 16 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:11,920 military got back in but I said that I'd never go to another war as an enlisted person I'd have to 17 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:22,160 go as an officer so went to OCS as as things always kind of work out for me the first thing 18 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:29,040 that happens is my unit gets activated to go to Afghanistan so this is 2004-5 19 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:41,680 went to Afghanistan things worked well we advanced the purposes of the the commander-in-chief the 20 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:50,320 president at the time tried to get out of the military but before I got out got activated 21 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:58,400 again to go back to Afghanistan this time was a little bit different because before the tour 22 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:07,360 was over the operations officer said hey Betis we want you to go to Africa and I said I'm not 23 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,880 really thinking about going to Africa and then I asked why would you consider me and he says well 24 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:19,040 you know our first boots on the ground we want to kind of introduce the Michigan National Guard 25 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:27,200 to the Liberians and assist in rebuilding the armed forces of Liberia so 2010 through 12 I was sent to 26 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,680 West Africa on a diplomatic mission at the U.S. Embassy and I worked directly with the armed forces 27 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:45,200 of Liberia as well as the humanitarian assistance officer for AFRICOM so that went went back to Fort 28 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:54,880 Benning went to campus career course passed the bar exam came to New Mexico and probably as many 29 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:01,040 you plan to come here for maybe two three years and next thing you know you've been here 10 years 30 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Rio G.N. where'd you go to law school at Thomas Cooley Law School in Lansing Michigan okay yes sir 31 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:22,400 2003 graduated in 2007 and then passed the bar in 2014 okay and as a military person you kind of 32 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:30,640 think of the DA's office as basic training and so this was considering the economy in Michigan 33 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:35,600 the Lee County District Attorney's office needed some people and I had some alumnus 34 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:44,000 alumni that were here and so packed up the U-Haul and came from Michigan to Hobbs now I didn't 35 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,040 realize it's going to get into a conversation with the DA should I be careful about what I say 36 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:56,400 well no because I'm no longer a district attorney oh good okay I don't think you have any issues 37 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,160 all right so how did tell me about your Wesley Foundation experience 38 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:15,760 yes so that goes back to maybe 98-99 my mother my family were members of the Bowen United Methodist 39 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:25,280 Church in Tuskegee Alabama and the pastor Robert Spicer was kind of threw himself into the 40 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:33,920 community and he was actually the was the foundation director at Tuskegee okay well a few 41 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:41,760 years advance I get married moved to Montgomery Reverend Spicer is at Metropolitan United Methodist 42 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:48,160 Church now in Montgomery and again as he always does he throws himself into the community and 43 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:54,720 I had joined Metropolitan with Pastor Spicer and he said Ross I need somebody to do the Wesley 44 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:01,920 Foundation here in Montgomery and he was familiar with me I was actually licensed to preach in the 45 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Baptist Church okay not all of Missionary Baptist Church and then ordained in another Baptist Church 46 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,960 and had preached for him and he was a very good friend of mine and I was a very good friend of 47 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:23,200 Baptist Church and had preached for him many times at Bowen United Methodist and so when I was in 48 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:29,520 Montgomery I was teaching and he said I need somebody and it was kind of perfect for me to 49 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,160 go and spend time with the college students spreading the word and we fed them every week 50 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:40,720 and I know they look forward to that but we actually we didn't baptize anybody but we did 51 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:46,080 get a lot of people to join and I think there were a few candidates for baptism out of that but we had 52 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,920 a wonderful time just loving on the the kids through the Wesley Foundation at Alabama State 53 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:58,640 University. Wow. Yes sir. Great years huh? Yes yes. Okay one thing about Tuskegee because I have a 54 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:07,040 sermon that I do on George Washington Carver. Really? On prayer. Wow. Okay so Tuskegee started 55 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,400 by Booker T Washington right and he recruits George Washington Carver to come and help him 56 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:19,120 run the school. Yes. So I always teach on prayer the power of prayer because George Washington 57 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:26,400 Carver wasn't a pastor but in his field where he was trying to help poor black farmers 58 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,280 grow cotton teaching them to rotate their crops from cotton to peanuts 59 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:39,360 right right because peanuts fertilize the soil but there wasn't a market for peanuts right so 60 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:48,080 he goes into the lab legend has it and he prays yes and so as the story goes this is 61 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,400 properly embellished but I like telling it he prays God show me the mysteries of the universe 62 00:07:53,760 --> 00:08:00,960 and God says no that's too big for you he goes show me the mysteries of planet earth 63 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:07,920 sorry that's still too big for you okay he says lastly can you at least show me the mysteries of 64 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:17,120 the peanut and so God says that I can do but he would start off praying God would answer 65 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,240 and God will disclose things that will help you solve problems in the world and I want to teach 66 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:29,600 people this principle because this principle applies to everyone you know so uh interesting 67 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,880 interesting story well there the national park service has a George Washington Carver museum 68 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:41,200 and I'd recommend that everybody uh go there is that in Missouri no that's in Tuskegee on the 69 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:49,600 campus of Tuskegee University uh because you can hear some audio of uh Dr. Carver as he tells some 70 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:57,760 of these stories and uh he created 400 different products out of the peanut which is just mind 71 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:05,440 boggling it is and he shares those things and he says exactly what you said he'd go into the lab 72 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:13,120 without paper and he would talk to God and God would lead and guide him uh as the Holy Spirit 73 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,240 does that's the Holy Spirit's job to lead and guide and uh he would create these props these 74 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:25,920 these different crops and different products and uh share those with the the farmers and uh so that 75 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:31,920 you know blacks could become um self-sufficient uh and that kind of goes into the bigger Booker T. 76 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:38,160 Washington story of cash your buckets down uh where you are um you know when they were teaching 77 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:44,720 trades brick laying you know most of the buildings were built by the students um so yeah that kind of 78 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:54,160 gets you into that Tuskegee thing but yeah Dr. Carver is an amazing man uh he was uh sterile he 79 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:00,080 couldn't have children because of I think the plantation owner uh did something to him so he 80 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:08,160 had a very high voice and uh he was able to focus and and maybe that's why uh his focus allowed him 81 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:15,200 to really dedicate himself and talk to God and create all those different products that you know 82 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:23,520 just benefited farmers and people in the south isn't it true that he lived on basically nothing 83 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,920 and so when he died he had this pretty substantial amount of money that he had saved 84 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:36,000 which is just a powerful testimony you know it is it said that he never cashed any of his checks 85 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:42,160 uh he just stacked them up or put them in the bank or in a sector deposit pocket or someplace 86 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:49,120 because he didn't even he lived off the land amazing story yeah yeah it really is well I had so you 87 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:56,800 had texted me what was it Wednesday night yes sir and you were asking me some questions yes and 88 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:02,880 whenever people are asking me good questions I'm like we need to record this because these are 89 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:10,320 questions that everyone is asking and they just not everyone goes the next step you know so I 90 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,200 always like to record these and share them not only because hey introduce you to the congregation 91 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:27,280 new church member right uh I found out you can preach now so oops uh but just want to uh 92 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,400 share this conversation with as many people as we can because these things that we're discussing a 93 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:40,080 lot of them are new uh I talk about things in different ways yes and so uh well you know 94 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:47,040 John 14 uh was the the the scripture that I shared and you said hey we ought to do this in a podcast 95 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:55,760 but you had met with um um what's the principal's name Debbie Debbie and talking about uh heaven and 96 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:03,840 earth being here and what God would do and so John 14 made me want to just ask you some questions 97 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:10,480 because uh in it Jesus talks about I'll go to prepare a place for you for you that where I am 98 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:17,120 you may be also in my father's house there are many mansions and if it were not so I would not 99 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:26,640 have told you so that kind of the implications of John 14 are of another place that Jesus is going 100 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:35,600 yep um to prepare a place for us and then that really got my mind going because I found one two 101 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:44,160 three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven eleven verses that made me think about this fact 102 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:51,680 that uh the lowest prayer our father in heaven so the father's in heaven we know that Jesus 103 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:57,600 sit at the right hand of the father and before Jesus left he said that I won't leave you 104 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:05,840 comfortless but the father will send you another that being the holy spirit so uh my question is 105 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:14,960 these scriptures imply another place so what kind of with Debbie's questions um 106 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:24,080 um what's what's the response or what can we learn from that to kind of understand if the 107 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:32,080 father is in heaven Jesus sit at the right hand and the holy spirit is here with us to lead us 108 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:38,560 and to guide us into all truth the holy spirit knows the the the heart of God the mind of God 109 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:48,880 and to uh teach us uh the the ways of God so what's this other place that John is implying okay so 110 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:58,720 as a believer we believe in an unseen realm yes right it's populated by all kinds of beings 111 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:07,280 in the spirit realm yes uh now I believe if you go back to Genesis chapters one through eleven 112 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:14,640 through eleven those two realms were originally one reality okay so in Genesis for instance it 113 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:21,600 talks about God walking in the garden in the cool of the day you've got this serpent which represents 114 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:31,600 a for lack of a better term angelic being that is interacting with the humans so at one point 115 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:39,680 we had these two realms the unseen realm and the physical realm were one reality right okay uh and 116 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:45,840 that tells us how we're going to think about the future so to comfort everyone what you said is 117 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:56,240 absolutely correct yes so if a person dies their consciousness their spirit which is the immaterial 118 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,720 part of our being and that's probably not a good phrase but it's the best vocabulary I can come up 119 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:07,200 with right the bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord in this unseen 120 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:15,520 realm okay now uh if you look at the end of the story so revelation the end of revelation is a 121 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:26,080 reflection of the garden of Eden okay okay and so you've got in Revelation 20 22 you've got 122 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:33,120 basically John describing the garden of Eden you've got the tree of life right right for the 123 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,120 healing of the nations now the tree of the knowledge of good and evil isn't mentioned 124 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,720 so we have a garden of Eden minus that 125 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:51,280 whatever that is I believe it it's again it represents a choice you can either do things 126 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:56,480 God way God's you can either do things God's way or do things your own way and so that temptation 127 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:02,880 will no longer be present it's going to have been eradicated to not live in obedience to God 128 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:12,320 but then go back a couple of chapter one chapter Revelation 21 the picture that's being painted 129 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:19,280 is that that place Jesus is preparing isn't staying in the unseen realm it's coming to the 130 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:25,920 earth remember there's this picture of this beautiful city prepared as a bride beautifully 131 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:34,320 adorned for her husband and it's coming down out of heaven to the earth and so the plan for God is 132 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:44,640 to reunite those realms that have been brought into disharmony through the fall uh and if you 133 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,800 look at the story of scripture I always say the big story of scripture is the kingdom of God that's 134 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,240 the main thing of script theme of scripture one of the other main themes of scripture is that God's 135 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:00,320 desire has always been to live on the earth with his people that's what the garden of Eden represents 136 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:08,000 that's what uh the old testament tabernacle represents in and with the the Egypt with the 137 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Egypt whenever they're wandering in the wilderness the the Hebrew people the the kabod the glory of 138 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:22,240 God is manifesting in that tabernacle right that's the presence of God among his people 139 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,440 that's what the old testament temple is about right and ultimately that's what the person of Jesus 140 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:35,520 Christ is about so John chapter one in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the 141 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,000 word was God he was in the beginning with God by him all things were created without him nothing 142 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,800 was made that has been made in him was life and that life was the light of men the light shines 143 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:53,840 in the darkness and the darkness does not overcome it so Jesus Christ is God in the flesh living on 144 00:17:53,840 --> 00:18:00,960 the earth with human beings now you take it to take the next step uh I don't know if it's first 145 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,560 or second Peter we are living stones the new testament church the people of God are living 146 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:14,880 stones and clearly it's comparing us with the old testament temple we are being built into a house 147 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:23,440 for God to live in on the earth and so the final iteration of that will be uh revelation 21 and the 148 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:30,480 eternal state both of those realms reunited us living with God on the earth forever in 149 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:46,080 in this amazing place you know so I think that um that's beautiful now so that when I said that's 150 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:54,000 beautiful that takes me to another scripture eyes have not seen nor have ears heard what God prepared 151 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,480 for them that love him so I think that's kind of what you're talking about in revelation where this 152 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:09,760 unseen beautiful city will uh in the end come and be here on the earth yep all right so 153 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:16,160 and I think uh Debbie kind of touched on this a little bit I think she touched on the rapture 154 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:27,760 just a little bit because the the the Bible uh is it this alone is um first this loony for 16 um 155 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:37,440 the Lord God himself will come down from heaven with the loud command with the voice of the arch 156 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:47,840 angel and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first 17th verse after that 157 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:58,720 we who are still alive are and are left will be caught up together with him in the clouds 158 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:06,800 um to meet the Lord in the air and so we will be with the Lord forever 159 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:18,720 so we're caught up with him in the air the dead come up first in the resurrected bodies 160 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,000 I guess in the moment in a twinkling an eye will be changed into our resurrected bodies 161 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:34,000 which I guess it's just like Jesus when he uh after he was raised from the dead he ate honeycomb 162 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,520 I think he had one of the disciples put his hand in his side and he showed them the scars 163 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,640 um and so then we're gonna then come back to earth but what about the tribulation the seven years 164 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:53,360 the tribulation um are we here for the tribulation it's getting hot in here 165 00:20:53,360 --> 00:21:03,360 whoa that's too deep well so you know how controversial this topic is are you familiar with 166 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:10,240 how controversial this is you can trigger people with this really yeah christians 167 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,520 so what we're talking about is when is the rapture of the church gonna happen 168 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:24,480 okay and uh so yes this is a very hot button topic but those are the precisely the topics types of 169 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:34,800 topics I like to talk about so uh so there will be a the bible predicts several things about the 170 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:45,280 time frame before the return of Jesus Christ okay we assume that the things the bible describes will 171 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,800 be fulfilled literally in history the reason we assume that is because the first coming of Jesus 172 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:59,280 the things prophesied in the old testament were fulfilled literally in history things like Jesus 173 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,960 riding on a donkey uh Jesus being born in Bethlehem right these were all written about in the old 174 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,040 testament and they will they were fulfilled literally so why would it be any different with 175 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,880 the second coming of Jesus it won't right it's gonna work the same way yes sir so the bible predicts 176 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:23,200 a time of trouble like the world has never seen yes I've said this many times on sunday morning 177 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,320 the number one thing we're warned about is deception walking in deception and it will probably be 178 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:35,200 political deception political and economic deception okay uh there will be a figure 179 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,080 described as the anti-christ now there have been anti-christ throughout history and the bible says 180 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:47,520 there will be many anti-christs but there's going to be one final man of sin that is empowered by 181 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:56,480 satan to take control of the nations of the earth okay and the point of that is to satan is currently 182 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,240 in control of the governments of the earth he wants to keep control of the governments of the 183 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,160 earth he will know when the time is getting near and he's going to fight like crazy to keep from 184 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,200 losing control of the nations of the earth and so that's going to describe a seven-year 185 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:18,160 time of tribulation now the first three and a half years of that time of tribulation will look really 186 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:24,560 good it's going to be a time of massive peace and prosperity uh anti-christ will bring massive 187 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:30,240 blessing he will be able to solve really unsolvable problems one of those problems will likely be the 188 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:36,560 problem uh in the middle east with is the nation of israel okay so the anti-christ will be able to 189 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,840 be the problem uh in the middle east with the nation of israel okay being where they're at 190 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,960 interestingly enough most of the early church fathers thought the anti-christ would come from 191 00:23:46,960 --> 00:24:01,600 the jewish tribe of dan so fun fact for you uh but there is absolutely zero data in scripture 192 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:08,400 that would suggest that there's going to be a secret coming of jesus christ where he raptures 193 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:14,480 the church out of the great tribulation then he returns to heaven before finally coming to the 194 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:24,240 earth again okay there is and you read it the resurrection from the dead yeah the translation 195 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,520 of our bodies to an eternal body in the return of jesus christ all happened at the same time 196 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:37,040 now that is consistently taught in the scripture in the gospel of markets taught in matthew 24 197 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:44,960 uh and i can edit these in whenever i do the video so the the scriptures will be on the screen 198 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:52,000 matthew 24 jesus says immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will 199 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,200 go dark the the moon will turn to blood all these things will happen um 200 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:08,080 um and the angels will will gather the people to jesus and so the rapture of the church 201 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:17,120 the greek word is harpazzo uh we get the word rapture from the latin translation of the new 202 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:24,160 testament rapio or something like that uh but it means caught up yes so clearly it's a biblical 203 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:33,120 principle uh so the this is drawn from something that would have been common knowledge in the 204 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:42,480 greco-roman world so whenever a dignitary from say the roman government would come to visit a city on 205 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,120 a diplomatic mission there would be a delegation of people that would come out from the city and 206 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:54,160 escort him in and so you see this with uh the triumphal entry of jesus jesus is entering jerusalem 207 00:25:54,160 --> 00:26:00,240 on a donkey and he has this delegation that's out there praising him as he's going into the city and 208 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,360 then they escort him into the city and so this is the picture that's the first coming of jesus to 209 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:10,720 jerusalem it's like a dramatic dress rehearsal of the second coming of jesus it's going to work the 210 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:17,680 same way the rapture is going to be jesus gathering his own to him identifying his leadership 211 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,680 as he approaches jerusalem to take over okay and of course all the armies that are gathered there 212 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,760 to stop him he's going to obliterate right uh as he rescues the jewish people from 213 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,080 the the persecution of the antichrist so the rapture of the church the return of jesus christ 214 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,920 and the resurrection from the dead all happen at the same time at the last trumpet which you'll 215 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:49,120 find in revelation chapter 11 i believe if you read revelation chapter 11 uh it's going to describe 216 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:58,160 what that scenario looks like somewhat okay um and of course that's the blessed hope of the church 217 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:09,200 right there yes yes yes well thank you for that and you said this with uh debbie um a lot of 218 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:17,040 christians kind of live in this uh kindergarten or preschool understanding and it's because we don't 219 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:23,040 talk about it and i this is the thing you see that's this is a little bit of a soap box of mine 220 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,240 because it's really not their fault right so you've grown up united methodist and you probably 221 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,760 you've been around enough to know that most pastors 222 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,880 preach readers digest stories and sprinkle in a few bible verses right and so this is kind of 223 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,600 standard operating procedure uh and so they haven't really been taught these things right 224 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:57,760 right you know so it to me it's it's a failure on my profession's part not so much uh the churches 225 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:08,000 okay so yeah yeah well that's that's interesting um you know and talking with debbie you talked 226 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:18,480 about kind of how what we're doing now is we're preparing ourselves to um be ready to rule with 227 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:26,560 jesus winning returns and i agree with that 100 um i don't i don't think that our churches 228 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:36,240 should be adult daycare centers um i think that we're here for business serious business amen 229 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:42,720 uh and and and i am delighted and i shared with you a little bit you know why i joined when i joined 230 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:52,880 i am delighted to to be here uh i'm a a man always under authority uh as a believer um and you know 231 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:59,200 you as an under shepherd jesus as a shepherd god as uh god i'm just god staff person yeah 232 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:06,080 well and so look forward to to learning and and you know i spent some time in the scriptures today 233 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:13,600 um for this and and and i appreciate that and got probably another hundred uh questions but um i 234 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,400 think this was was excellent and i i understand exactly what you're saying and i think it is 235 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:26,080 completely consistent it puts some things together for me so i thank you well i have enjoyed it 236 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,720 and i definitely want to do it again yes sir so i have so debbie she'll like sit in the the 237 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,480 the pole or the pews and she'll take notes about things she wants to discuss later so we do it 238 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,480 about every other week but okay i'd love to do it on a regular basis yes sir you know and uh i 239 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:51,520 definitely will probably want you to preach for us sometime yes sir what would be my uh my joy 240 00:29:51,520 --> 00:30:02,480 and privilege um i'm in a different season a new season for me uh i'm learning that all 241 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:08,000 things work together amen for the good of them that love the lord and are called according to 242 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:17,120 his purpose and i got saved in the the northern saudi arabia desert i i assume we're in saudi 243 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:25,840 arabia we may have been in southern iraq um but um i just want to be a vessel amen that god can 244 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,200 use and so i've really dedicated my life to going wherever he wants me to go doing whatever he 245 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:39,840 wants me to do um and uh i think that i'm in hobs for a reason and have been here 10 years for a 246 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,040 reason i may have thought it was one thing i think god is showing me that it may be a completely 247 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:55,840 different reason and so um let me help maybe contribute to that i recommend reading the 248 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:05,760 perucia series on the foundrypress.org because i do think that god has plans for places like this 249 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:17,920 uh as the chaos continues to increase in the nations so the bible predicts satan is going 250 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:26,880 to be given control of the nations he will use that control to heavily persecute jews and christians 251 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:38,960 to uh implement a evil agenda i believe people are going to flee from that and look for safe places 252 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:47,840 and so places like hobs that's you know you talk about from a major city which is going to be the 253 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:54,880 main control centers we're a long ways away i don't consider lubbock a major city i don't 254 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:02,720 consider midland odessa a major city places like dallas albuquerque san antonio uh so i believe 255 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:10,000 places like this will be an area of refuge and god did that before the first coming of jesus 256 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:18,400 and so that perucia series is telling that story how do you spell that perucia p a r o u s i a 257 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:26,480 and perucia is just a fancy word for the coming of jesus okay and you said that's on which the 258 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:33,440 foundrypress the foundrypress the foundrypress.org yeah which is where you have your yep okay 259 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:41,680 foundrypress.org okay all right ross we'll do this again all right so keep thinking and uh 260 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,080 asking questions yes and we'll have another one of these conversations 261 00:32:46,080 --> 00:33:03,600 okay i'll look forward to it thank you all right amen yes