I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.
And I'm rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.
But the bottom line is is together.
We try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.
All right, let's get started.
Welcome to living in the matrix.
Everyone.
I'm Jonathan.
My co-host rich is not here with me today.
He's out on a work assignment.
So I have the pleasure of sharing with you.
Dr. Jen Van Allen.
She is a doctor and has some of the most unique concepts put into language that are so simple to understand.
And I thought I wanted to bring her on to share her wisdom.
Some of some of her stuff that I've been downloading has been absolutely amazing.
So welcome Dr.
Van Allen.
It's pleasure to have you.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it very much.
Absolutely.
So so our listeners understand help us understand where your doctorate is from.
So I have a doctorate of naturopathic medicine, but I also am trained in understudies of Western medicine.
So well, and I also studied as a shaman.
So I've studied in Eastern Western and indigenous medicine, which is very unique to be able to bridge the gap between those three fields.
And I can do everything from run your labs and look at your T3 T4 with your thyroid to being able to speak to your spiritual journey as far as ayahuasca.
And the way that I position it or place it before people is and having studied all three, I think that Western medicine is the masculine energy of acute treatment.
And I think it's fantastic for that.
You know, if you are to break or injure something and you need a CT scan right away, I feel like Western medicine is very it's very invasive in that way for a purpose.
It's very masculine energy.
And I feel like Eastern medicine is very much the feminine energy.
It's going inward that yin energy of going deeper and what's chronic and long term.
And then indigenous medicine is a spiritual journey.
It's the bridge between the two.
And so I feel like I have been really blessed in this life to learn the masculine, the feminine and the spiritual version of all these ways to help people have this human experience.
You have a beautiful perspective and I love the sort of well rounded element because there's a lot of value in going deep on those three elements because they do speak to each other very deeply.
As you were talking, I had just a thought and I thought, tell me if this is your experience that Western medicine, which is very masculine is very good at solving pain and Eastern medicine is good at solving suffering.
Would you agree with that?
Is that kind of the bends?
You don't have to agree with it.
Yeah, no, I love I love I love what you're posing as an ideal.
And so I'm contemplating it.
I always I always kind of look off to the side when I when I think to.
It's almost as though like there's this this is very physical tangible reality.
And then and then there's this part where it's like, how does it play out?
You know, and I think Western medicine really strives to achieve that the numbing so to speak the the acute if there's pain and suffering coming in and bringing that to to a remedy or to a numbing it and addressing it that way.
But I do think Eastern medicine does the same because there are homeopathic remedies. There are block flower remedies.
There are herbs that immediately get rid of pain and suffering.
I mean, immediately.
So I believe both both when it comes to pain really do try to be as effective and as fast as possible.
Yeah, I think the difference is that the Western when it does it because it's synthetic, you know, all pharmaceuticals like them or not, they're synthetic.
And I really do think they have a place.
But yeah, they're they're synthetic.
And so they're forcing the body to do something in a much more aggressive like that masculine energy.
But it's not actually because it's forcing so fast and so hard.
It's not giving the time for the body to catch up to the storyline of cell turnover or what was underlying of why the body was expressing that symptom where I feel like with Eastern it.
It can aggressively come in and deal with the pain.
But it does so in a way that the herbs continue having that story with the body to unfold over time.
Wow, that's wonderful.
Thank you.
No, it's it's because I I am only recently really learning about masculine and feminine energy.
And that's I grew up a Christian and we don't talk about energies.
So you understand the journey.
I literally am which is which is a quirky cat for me because I'm a Bible believing Christian, but I speak about shockers and radiance and can prove them with MRI scans.
Right. And they're scientific elder.
Yes. My father is elder for over 20 years.
And and yet I believe everybody is on their own journey and God meets you where you are.
But I similar thing.
I grew up Bible believing Christian and this was all a new this was all new.
It was really considered taboo.
Yeah, it was considered that you're opening yourself to darkness.
That's how the was worded right in the Christian Church.
You're opening yourself to darkness.
Right. Yeah.
And I think I'm I'm it's I think we're coming into a point of time when people are waking up to the energetic level, which is quantum physics.
It's not just woo woo.
It's quantum physics and people are waking up to the reality.
And I think there is a merging happening where they're beginning to communicate better together.
So I agree I am.
So I offer a bunch of different things and one of them is a private community and a practitioner training and in the private community and the practitioner training,
there's there's something that I teach in both of those places,
which is that no matter what your belief system is and how humans came to be most people's believe in the story of there being a tree of knowledge of good and evil.
But if you go back to ancient Hebrew in the Septuagint,
it's actually chaos and order, which later in the Bible,
which is the Hebrew, the Muslims and the Christian,
the three major religions believe this portion of it of it.
It says God is the God of chaos and order.
And when you look at the yin and yang, it's chaos and order.
And the in between is the flow and that's the spirit,
you know, constantly flowing and and we see that in the Bible says rivers of living water.
That spirit is the Holy Spirit is the flow.
But the chaos and order, no matter what your belief system is,
I think that's what brought about epigenetics and why people then went to dying and death is
because when they knew of chaos, they were misplaced from their trust and they were not yet spiritually ready to know of that chaos.
And so because they knew the chaos, they went to this place called fear and fear is what turns on epigenetic expressions of death and disease.
OK, now we're diving in, which is I think is awesome.
Help for a layman understand what you just said, because I know what you mean.
But for a layman like a fourth grader, how would you describe what you just said about?
Yeah, when you when you are in the kitchen and there's, you know, cookies and you know, you can you know, the cookies are there.
You don't know what's going on with cookies, but they're there and you're just not supposed to touch them.
You don't know why, but just not yet.
And all of a sudden you go to touch the cookies and they break, you know, the glass jar on the floor breaks.
All of a sudden, your nervous system, your body, your brain immediately goes to a reactive state because of the chaos,
because what you didn't expect happened and it was unexpected.
It was unknown and it's the unknown that we're no longer in that place of trusting because you can trust what you know,
you can trust what you see. But once you are in the unknown, the chaos, that's where the reaction comes.
And that nervousness comes and that fear comes.
And when that happens, that's when there's a disconnect, because whoever enters that kitchen,
that next moment, you immediately go to, I didn't do it.
I didn't mean to. I'm really sorry.
And your nervous system will immediately go to fight of saying it wasn't me.
It was your, it was your fault.
You shouldn't have left him out or flight free spawning of shutting down and running away.
And that moment that you go to that nervous system response, that that fear response,
that actually is what turns on all sorts of things in your body that lead to death and disease.
It shuts down your detoxification.
It shuts down your digestion. It shuts down what's called methylation.
It shuts down all these abilities for you to thrive because you're in fear versus trust in response to chaos versus order.
So what I hear you say is that we create our own physiological problems that manifest.
Yeah, that's that's proven.
Yeah. And there's a variety of, you know, there's supposedly nothing new under the sun, right?
There's a variety of modalities, healing modalities or beliefs that say the same thing.
Traditional Chinese medicine proves this.
German new medicine, which is what we've been out for about 10 years now, proves that they call it psychosomatics.
Yeah, we see it again and again that the body is our physical expression of what we're emotionally and mentally doing, not the other way around.
Yeah. Wow. So you have a method called the flow method.
Unpack that for me. And first what it is and then we'll talk about how you invented it but or came up with it or unpack it for us.
I get really giddy when you say this. I can feel my body go.
Okay, so I feel like I should have brought charts here.
Okay, so if you're looking at Western medicine and Eastern medicine, both forms of medicine are looking at the the client or the patient coming in and saying what's wrong and how do we stop it from being wrong?
Both are approaching that. How do I stop it with synthetic medication or cutting or, you know, surgery or whatever?
Or how do I stop it with herbs and remedies and diet? But both as how do I suppress based on this first belief of there being a problem?
The flow method is completely different. And instead, we begin with a goal of allowing someone to think what would you want your life to be like, not what are you running away from?
And so that position is so different before we unpack the rest of the flow method.
I cannot tell you how many pages of mine said yes, that when they come when they come in and which now I do online appointments, but when I asked them, what would you like your life to be like after I created the flow method?
They said, I don't I don't even know. And I said, well, if you don't know, then you don't have the brain pattern, the thoughts, the biochemical processes to create what you want.
Relationship wise, financial wise or health wise. And they go, oh my gosh, you're right. And then they go and then they proceed to tell me, but I have this this this and this wrong.
And I go, okay. And I slow them down and I write down the things that are wrong.
And then from there in speaking with them in the flow method, I then go back again, create a goal and figure out what are those things that I'm listening to them is almost like the deepest root within their nervous system pattern.
That is leading to all of these varieties of branching off of symptoms.
So in that conversation, I'm able to still come back and create a goal. And that's what the flow method always begins with.
It's a goal. What are we actually working towards as a new pattern for the brain and the body to achieve, whether it be for your relationship to your finances or your money?
So we begin with that new pattern and verifying that that pattern would work for that person.
We can't have a goal like you're going to grow a third leg.
Not going to happen, you know, but we can check with the subconscious and conscious, create a new goal.
And then after that, the second step of the flow method is anything that doesn't agree with that on a subconscious and conscious level.
We are able to walk through a variety of approaches and techniques I've created to release those brain patterns literally in real time, releasing those brain patterns.
I want to explain how that happens because people go, how do you just do that in real time?
Right. Well, just like you can walk into a room and somebody can drop a lamp and it shatter immediately.
You create a new brain pattern as a reaction next time.
Every time you see a lamp or every time you see that room, right, you have a new you have a new brain pattern.
How would I react to the lamp? Just the same.
If we're able to find what brain patterns are not agreeing with our goal and then find why the subconscious is wanting to do it,
which is never self-sabotage, then I can offer it something that it can do instead to still achieve the goal of love, touch, money, whatever it's wanting to achieve, you know, but with less energy.
And once I offer it a way to achieve that same goal with less energy, it then aligns to the original goal.
And it completely overnight it takes it can take up to a few minutes up to two weeks for you to completely no longer even have that brain pattern in your body in your fascia anywhere anymore.
So much so that there's times where it happens so fast, depending on the person's processing speed and the brain pattern that by the end of the appointment,
when I ask them about how they feel about that issue compared to the beginning of the appointment, they go, I don't even remember having that issue.
It's gone. And then the third part of the flow method is us again remembering whatever that goal is.
We got rid of whatever doesn't agree.
And now then we come in with nutritional changes or fuel support of supplements, medications, whatever it may be to support the body and the brain and the mind, everything achieving that goal.
And that's how it works. Yeah.
So it's a three step method.
Chautau is down again. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's really it's I came up with it based on the toroidal fields, which is the yin yang, the flow of energy and all things, right?
Is everything is the toroidal field.
So the first one is that masculine. It's the asserting.
What's my goal? The second one is the feminine.
It's the removing what no longer is, you know, and then the third one is to support.
It's that conversation of that flow between the two for it to happen and come to achieving that masculine goal.
Have you ever heard of the infinite one by Walter Russell?
I love him.
Like, have you read his work?
I did. I read his work.
So have you read his work on sex?
It's chapter eight of infinite one.
I want to bring that up here because he talks about that specifically that the order of the duality is masculine because the masculine is the electricity and the feminine is the magnetic.
But then he said it's the feminine back to the masculine.
You know what? I take that back.
I read.
Name the one book again.
The order of one.
OK, I haven't read the order of one.
Infinite one.
The infinite one.
I haven't read that one, but I did read a few of his other books and I do take it back that I believe that I remember him referencing it in one of his other books.
Yeah, because it's the same.
It's the same base knowledge, base knowledge again and again that he taught, which is brilliant.
Brilliant.
Yeah, I spent $150 on one of his books like 10 years ago before.
I'm serious because you couldn't get it.
You know, it's like on eBay and it's one of those things that you don't know why you're called to it and it just ends up in front of you.
Walter Russell was one of those things where it's like I don't even know how it ended up in front of me when I was like searching the web for a variety of things.
And all of a sudden I saw this thing of Walter Russell and it just resonated like.
Just resonated so deeply with me that I remember cheering up and going, that's truth, whatever that was.
And so I had to have the book and so I remember paying like $150 for his book and I still have today.
But I've ordered a few other little books and I love his work.
Yeah.
See, I want to go off on a little bit of a tangent here.
You told me you grew up as a Christian and I've never stopped following Jesus.
Jesus is the one that taught me to practice love.
I credit Jesus with that journey.
And here I am 40 years later going it was totally worth it.
And here's the thought is Jesus gave everyone a goal.
It was called Kingdom.
It was this idea that everybody was in grace and I've always found that to be an outstanding goal for any human being.
I love and yeah, go ahead.
I on one hand like I appreciate that I'm on your podcast on the other hand, if we were in person, I'd be like,
truly I would.
So I guess it's good that we're slowing it down on a podcast.
Yes, I don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ because it was just necessarily what I was taught.
It's because time and time again, there's power in his name and I don't have to know why.
I just know for me personally in my experience, that's true.
And also, I think that's where any kind of belief of any kind of relationship gets stuck is an example.
I give to people is your relationship that you have with any person in your life will say your wife, your best friend,
whoever will not be the same relationship that anyone else has with them.
It doesn't matter.
Like it won't be the same relationship.
So how we all experience God, how we all experience Jesus will be different for each one of us.
And we see that even in the Bible, no two people experience Jesus the same.
None of his disciples did, you know, so I'm never here to say this is how you should experience God or Jesus.
I just can say this is what's true to me and my journey.
And in my years along the way, one of the things I thought as I'm learning, you know,
he's put on my heart a renewing the mind.
All the work I do is helping people have a renewing the mind, which is empowering to them.
It's quietly my personal mission is empowering people as there's this transition and they're so inundated with AI and chaos in the world.
How do we bring people to a proactive state versus reactive because we were made in the spirit of power and love, not fear and timidity, right?
Power, love, and sound mind is the verse.
And so that's always been my heart's mission is how do I get people to being to being in a renewing the mind and standing in and walking in that power,
love and sound mind versus the fear and timidity.
And along the way, one of the things that came to my mind was, wow, the Bible is this journey that is like threefold,
just like the journey we have as our human experience with God, with our parents and our own brain growing up.
There's the Old Testament, which is all the law.
You have to understand like logic and rhetoric.
You have to understand the names of things and what they are and what to do and what not to do,
not because that's the end of the conversation, but because you have to understand the meaning of it.
Then the next portion is you're rebellious.
You're just like a teenager and you're super rebellious.
You're pushing every button, right?
And you're just like, right?
And we have to because otherwise without us pushing, we don't learn autonomy.
We don't learn where it's safe to play if we don't push the boundaries, right?
And so the Old Testament is just like kids when they go to a playground.
I use this analogy.
The first thing the kids always do is they set up a structure.
Every time they go to a playground, they always go, these are the rules.
This is what we're going to play, right?
Right. They always do it.
And then after that, then it's the chaos ensues, right?
But they push the boundaries and that's our teenage years.
And that's where the grace comes in.
And then the last part is the spirit.
You're in this wisdom.
You know, you pushed against it.
You've learned what holds fast.
You've learned what doesn't and now you're in this wisdom.
So it was like the knowledge and the law and then the grace and the pushing the boundaries
and then the wisdom.
And yeah, because we don't need complete grace.
Wisdom is knowing how to use both.
Yeah, you must have knowledge with wisdom.
Knowing both sides of the duality.
It's realizing they both have value to teach us something because I think that's...
We could probably talk for hours.
I was like, wow, this is great.
Well, because there's...
Here's what I think is coming.
So I work in UX, which is user experience for software development.
Okay.
And in the beginning for me, it was product design.
But what I really realized is I started to mature in it is that it's a study of how people
do things.
And what I realized, when my daughter was six, I started taking her to neurofeedback.
And I started reading about neuroscience to understand my daughter and ended up wanting
to read it for myself.
And I think we're waking up to a period where science is catching up to the rhetoric and
saying, okay, this body is an energetic system.
It has a nervous system.
Like nobody knew, really understood the value or the impact of the nervous system 20 years
ago.
And we're waking up to that mental health reality.
And the flow, I want to dive in here is people get stuck in patterns.
And what I'm learning in neuroscience is that's exactly how the brain works.
The brain creates a prediction of reality and then looks for the evidence to support
it.
So it's complete confirmation bias, but nothing breaks the barrier.
Nothing external can break that barrier to the internal, but the prediction is then either
rewritten or restructured.
And it's that simple.
We script ourselves.
And when we realize and here's the value of realizing that one fact is you can change
the script.
And I discovered that over the last 40 years by practicing love.
But you've brought the science to it.
And I think that's help.
I want to talk about the dark periods, dark night of the soul that build the survival
patterns unpack that idea that you bring and help us understand that.
I have a very different.
I have a very unique belief system about that and and explanation of it.
So people very often ask me about well, what is a brain pattern?
What is it that you're talking about that you change brain patterns?
Is it trauma?
Is it inner child?
It's not trauma inner child.
Our brain pattern can be positive and our brain pattern could be negative.
Our body doesn't think of anything as a brain pattern or positive negative.
So before I get to how I think of it, I have to explain some base knowledge.
There's one truth that every single body's body actually processes in before is food
or supplements good or bad before is a belief system.
Good or bad before is an experience good or bad and that is one truth survival through
energy conservation.
Every single cell of your being is constantly scanning for energy conservation, right?
So survival through energy conservation.
That is actually why we create and store any pattern positive or negative.
It's why we store the smell of Grammys cookies as much as it's because we store the good
too.
We store generations of good.
Everybody's like, oh, it's the bad stuff.
We store the good, you know, here's the here's the science.
The science is that's the most effective computer system that exists.
Yes, that system.
That's the value of it.
So the body is extremely efficient.
It looks for simplicity that works.
Yes, it looks for return on investment is how I can explain it when I in my courses
and to my and to my students.
And we actually have a you know, you can get to the science and we have a crystalline cellular
matrix within every single cell.
That's what makes up our fascia.
We're literally computers.
We're walking talking computers.
We are and anybody wants to look it up.
You can't I just I put it in layman's terms.
So so really the first thing is survival through energy conservation and it's survival, not
thriving surviving.
Right.
So if you make it through any situation and you survived, you will continue to do whatever
you did.
That's how it works.
And when people go to wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a quick second.
What do you mean you will continue doing whatever you did?
So let's say that you made it from repeat the pattern.
Yes.
You made it from point A to point B while driving down the road and you made it there
safely.
Guess what you're going to subconsciously do tomorrow.
You're going to try to take the same route.
Right.
That's not trauma, but yet it's stored.
So the belief that we're storing trauma and that's why we're perpetuating things is absolutely
false and it keeps people in this false narrative of chasing trauma and chasing inner child
as opposed to looking at it from this neutral point and this open mindedness of what are
my patterns just like a computer program that I get to upgrade.
When you're able to step back with that and that neutrality and go, this is just a program,
that's all that it is.
I made it through by doing this.
That's a program.
How can I see what programs I want to upgrade and do better?
Then you're optimizing everything in your life and that's how I approach it.
That does not mean that I'm gaslighting that your trauma that you went through wasn't reality.
It was.
I went through severe trauma as a child.
But yet with all the modalities I learned, the more that you talk about it, the more
that you're experiencing it, the more that you are creating, I survived by this.
I'm going to continue doing this.
So you ingrained it.
Yeah.
It's dwelling.
Like people don't realize if they sit there and think about it for the next four days,
they're literally scripting themselves over and over and over and over and over.
Yeah.
The reason why, that's a great point and there's two things to that.
There's a 20-year study done and I don't even remember the study, but if you were to Google,
there's a 20-year study done on talk therapy and they found out that the people who from
the beginning to end were doing the talk therapy, they began identifying with that trauma because
that became their identity.
The reason I explain it that way is if you were to plant a seed, that's an experience.
The more that you water that seed, the more that that root system grows.
Our nervous system is literally a root system.
Right?
Yep.
Just like my seed bears good fruits.
A bad seed bears bad fruit.
Right?
Philippians think upon whatever is true.
Right?
Honorable, pure, lovely, excellent, and praiseworthy.
If you want to go scripturally, if you want to do it as far as quantum science and quantum
physics, well, they teach it that observation creates reality.
No.
Intention creates observation, which then creates reality.
It's your intention.
You can experience something incredibly horrible.
Let's say that you got a D in school and you're like, oh my gosh, I got a D in school.
This is horrible.
The same person can get a D and go, you know what?
That means that I get to take this test again and try it again and do even better and get
an A. I thought I was only going to get a C anyway.
Right?
So being able to set the intention creates the observation of reality.
That's why when we're looking at everything through the ideal or lens of this is traumatic
or not versus this is a brain pattern, this is just a computer program, how can we optimize
it?
You stay in those patterns longer because it becomes your identity.
You get stuck in the emotion, which is energy and motion versus creating what's new.
Yeah.
It becomes long-term perpetuating because I think part of the survival mechanism for
holding on to all that, I just call it bullshit.
We're establishing patterns that actually destroy us.
That's the loop that I think that the original tree always said, it's unto death because
when we do that to our body, we literally give it dis-ease, which becomes disease.
We're like, oh, I have cancer.
That's because your body couldn't fight what you were scripting it with.
It's hard to shift to that idea that we have that much power over our own body.
The techniques I do, I agree.
Yeah, I do agree.
That's why I've come up with techniques that can shift people's brain patterns so fast
because within 10 minutes, people start going, holy crap, that makes, I literally see and
approach it differently.
Are you establishing permanence or is that a first experience?
You can't write a neuro pathway in 10 seconds.
Oh, yeah, you can.
You can start it.
Yeah.
Okay, so you can definitely start it, but here's the thing.
It's not just the starting, it's the releasing the old.
We're back to survival through energy conservation.
This is how fast it can happen when we're saying we can't do that.
Let's say that you're walking down a path and all of a sudden a coyote comes at you
and you know next time you get on the path, watch out for the coyote.
Now let's say that we were able to give you a faster way to watch out for that coyote
or walk down that path where you no longer have to watch out for that coyote.
You would immediately release the needing to watch out for that coyote.
That's the difference.
When you're able to come in and give the survival brain a way to approach the same situation
faster with less energy, it'll immediately start shifting because it prioritizes saving
energy.
It wants to save energy.
But here's the thing, from a habit perspective, and I'm not saying you're wrong or anything
like that.
It's just I'm listening to the science of how that works, but I know people also operate
off of habits and habits become unscripted.
So it requires, I think you can start immediately.
I think that's what salvation is, is the awareness and you just stay on the path, but
it requires the intention to stay in that mindset because it's the other pathway still
exists and in a lot of times it's a highway.
So we can struggle with that.
Yeah, it depends.
So let's say that we're doing an affirmation.
People have asked that about my work too.
An affirmation does not offer the survival brain a way to approach a situation with less
energy in which it feels it can trust it.
You're asking yourself to expand and create more trust.
If you're able to offer the brain a way that it can approach the same situation without
having to establish trust where it still feels like it's a reaction, a stress response,
but with less energy, it'll immediately take to that because it's a stress response with
less energy versus a proactive response that takes more energy.
And I think that's where it's like the science hasn't caught up with that.
They haven't even tested that.
That hasn't even been tested to say, okay, this is your survival stress response.
Let's give you another survival stress response that uses less energy.
Check your subconscious and check your conscious, see if it'll agree and then see how fast that
will shift.
Like the doctor who...
That's a provocative idea though.
It's what I do.
That's what the flow method does.
To validate that so the scientific community can see the evidence or has it already been
done.
I would love to.
Yeah.
I would love to.
But I worked with the doctor who trained me and gave me my residency in the basics of
the QVG brain practitioner training.
He didn't believe that was possible.
And I worked on him without the brain scanner.
I worked on him using the tools that I have.
And I was able to tell him in real time when certain events happened to him and how he
responded and offer him other responses if he could rewrite that memory on a conscious,
not hypnotherapy, consciously rewrite that memory with a new survival response.
And we walked through that.
And this is a thick German accent man was crying and afterwards, so we had scanned his
brain before, we scanned it after.
That was worth multiple biofeedback sessions because the brain shifted so fast.
Because again, survival through energy conservation, if you can offer it a faster way to survive
with less energy versus an affirmation as I'm going to be a millionaire tomorrow.
Well, that's great.
But that's that requires us showing up.
What are we going to do with the millions?
What about get the millions?
Where do we put it?
What if our family wants millions?
That's a lot of energy, right?
That is versus rewriting a survival stress response with a survival stress response that
uses less energy.
Well, I think that's the brilliance of love is love always leads to the greatest outcome.
And I can, the more this is the journey I've had for the last two years of really listening
to what has been the outcome of following Jesus for 40 years.
And it really is, is that I think the missing piece for most people is grace, like to fully
embrace grace, but to fully embrace grace, you have to give it to everyone else.
It's just a flat all or none.
It's grace.
That's that is the operating system of the universe.
And when you start there, everybody then starts in grace.
And that idea is always kind of match this kingdom idea.
I think that's an old world, but it's this idea where things belong, you know, it's family,
it's you belong and you can find your place.
But because you have grace, you have the energy to now focus on you're not in survival state
anymore.
Grace takes you out of survival state.
And that would mean scientifically it's leading to the most economic and efficient way of
living.
That's, that's true.
If you can bring people subconscious to that.
So an example of what you're saying in, in what I do that actually is it is what you're
saying.
So this week I had an appointment with a patient who had been viciously raped not once, but
twice to say to her, Hey, have grace, grace for yourself, grace for that person.
Thankfully so her survival brain and her body, her physical body should not be able to do
that.
She would not be able to survive.
Right.
I mean, she wouldn't if her body was able to just imagine, yeah, next time that happens,
I'm just going to lay down and die.
Jesus said, greater love has no end in this that you would lay down your life for your
brother and die.
That's for him, not on to him.
There's a difference with that.
There's a very vast difference with that.
And so, yeah,
But let me ask you a question.
Does that person in holding onto that survival mechanisms live out the consequences of holding
on to it?
I think it's a pragmatic issue.
It's not a more, it's never a moral issue.
It doesn't matter if she does or doesn't.
The brain will continue unless you offer it something with that uses less energy because
that's God's design for our body is survival.
He's created us that way.
You cannot with your prefrontal cortex undo that.
And grace is a prefrontal cortex.
It's not survival brain.
It's a hundred percent prefrontal cortex.
So there's no way that she could even choose to do that.
She couldn't choose to do that unless she has a freeing of that system to offer her
a different way that uses less energy and release that.
So in the appointment, what we did was I walked her through a visualization.
In that visualization, it is an embodiment of grace.
It is her, in the visualization, there's a bunch to it, but in the visualization, while
awake, she's able to go back to whatever space and time she was with those brain patterns
there that's in her body.
And she's able to walk through the technique that I bring in that makes her feel safe while
she does it to then express whatever she would want it to express that allows her to feel
safe to completely destroy it.
There are times where in that visualization, people have imagined burning someone, imagined
lighting a house on fire, imagined destroying the bed in which they were hurt, whatever
it is, they're able to have the grace for themselves to, to display the things that
their survival brain wanted to be able to put forward to feel safe that they couldn't
in that situation.
As they're able to walk through that grace for themselves and accepting that's what they
needed to do to survive, but they couldn't do their body then goes, okay, now how can
I imagine that person, that environment, whatever neutralized and their body will neutralize
that memory and will release those survival patterns because they're no longer trying
to hold this is what I needed to do to survive.
Now they go, okay, I did this, I rewrote it.
This is what I wanted to do to survive.
And also I brought in the things where they felt trust as though they've survived.
They're on the other side because I can, I literally connect the current brain pattern
with the old brain pattern in real time by doing that.
So the part of them that knows I survived, I'm on the other side is going back to the
park going, what did I need to do to survive?
And then it comes to cohesiveness in the beginning of the visualization.
Whenever I walked these people through this, I asked them in real time to imagine them
hugging or accepting them at that time and seeing if that person will, will hug them
back.
They won't even hug themselves back because their survival brain at that point is so broken
and so, so holding on for everything, they won't even imagine accepting a hug from themselves.
By the end of it, they able to hug themselves.
They're able to be hugged by themselves and receiving the grace and that love and everything
that they experienced is neutralized.
Yeah.
So that kind of leads to this new way of operating because it's so similar to the, just the simple
practice of love, which I think is to state the positive in our life to constantly deposit
positive.
I am loved and in doing so we release ourselves from the 87% of the things we worry about
that never come true.
And we have enough energy to live a really vibrant life and deal with the 13% that actually
does come true.
And so that new way of living is what you call thriving.
What is thriving for you?
I think thriving for every person is going to be different because the coding that a
dandelion is meant to express in a body is different than an oak tree.
And so I think thriving would be able to have the freedom and energy and connection with
God and the purpose of what they're here by God's designed to embody.
To be able to have the resources to do that.
Yeah.
I mean, the Bible says even the rocks cry out to him to his glory.
I think thriving is being able to rejoice and embody what his design is for you.
How has thriving showed up for you?
Because I assume you practice your own flow method.
It sounds like you do.
I do.
Yeah.
I actually can do it while driving.
I can go through the whole scan sheet and work on myself.
Yeah.
I would say in so, so, so, so many ways, I have lived through in my life probably every
situation that somebody could say, or I'd say 90% of situations that humans could say
would be traumatic.
I have been impoverished.
I have been broken.
I have been bruised.
I have been sick.
I have miscarried.
I mean, I've been through the wringer, right?
But I would say that I can genuinely wake up every day trusting God's mercy is new every
day and rejoicing and my nervous system, my mind, my body, it's very proactive in every
day seeing what would I delight in doing today versus what do I have to get done or what
am I running from or what am I suppressing?
Every day is like that.
Like literally every day is just very, it's like, ah, it's very peaceful.
It's very calm.
It's very happy.
And yeah, there's a lot in the Bible about that that actually says, you know, a peace
that passes understanding, I would say that's probably the best way to describe it as a
peace that passes understanding every single day.
Yeah.
I want to go back a little bit and ask, because I really I haven't, what was it like growing
up for you?
Did you grow up in a family that embraced Jesus?
What was your background?
Personally, I from ages zero to five, my dad was military, so he would come and go.
And my mother was a really, really strong drug addict.
And when my dad was home, she was okay.
And then when he was gone, she was horrible.
Like there were times where we'd have like no food or water for three days and CPS would
show up and then the whole cycle would begin again.
So for my formative years where you're creating most of your brain patterns is zero to seven.
So for me, zero to five was a lot of very traumatic physical, sexual abuse, starvation.
I remember being three and sleeping at the park because it was safer to sleep under the
merry-go-round than it was in my house.
So I had really, really, really horrific childhood from zero to five.
And then after that, I was in foster care for a little while.
And then my dad got remarried when I was around seven.
And at that time, him and my stepmom didn't go to church or anything.
My dad grew up in the church, but he didn't go.
And I remember they started going a couple months after they got married, maybe a year
after they got married, so it was around eight.
Actually, I think I was closer to nine when they started going.
And I remember really clearly seeing my dad going from this military man who was gruff
and he was a drill instructor and was swearing and just ornery and really aggressive and
assertive to being someone who was sitting at my little tikes table with my sister.
And I had a little tikes table by that point when I was around nine.
And he was in the room sitting at the little tikes table with another man regularly praying.
And studying God's word.
And I remember he wasn't swearing and he wasn't drinking.
And I remember that change in him so drastic that it's like I can't have asked God for
a more beautiful story of a testimony that I got to walk through my life and a lot of
people's lives.
Not just that, but a lot of people that I've worked with over the years to see the night
and day transformation of them.
But my dad is probably one of the ones that is most precious and dear to my heart.
Because it was real to your story.
Yeah, it was real to my story and it was also so significant.
So night and day and so quick too for him to go through that.
And so then after that I was baptized around 10 and I think there was a lot of stability
in the home then other than my dad would come and go a lot.
Still being military.
And there was definitely still trauma that unfolded after that.
Over the next few years up until I was 18 and I moved out.
This was a blended family and they both came from a lot of stuff.
And there's a lot of stuff when you have blended family and so there's still continuing of
trauma after that.
But my dad over those years became an elder in the church and it was really beautiful
to have for me personally that hope of the message of the gospel.
And at the same time I can say and looking back I remember being in my early 20s to late
like mid 30s and also coming to this other side of my walk and understanding of God of
realizing how much people who rub in any religion really go to this survival stress response
of disassociating and tapping out because some higher power is going to come in and
fix it.
And so they're actually not showing up proactively in their life.
Yeah, they're not showing up proactively in their life because they're like, well if it's
God's will, well if it's God's will, well I'm just going to pray about it.
And I remember coming to this very other part of my personal journey in my life and also
my faith and going, wow, this is really not okay.
There's so many people that are in religious organizations, including Christianity, that
are silenced and suppressed and in addition are given this mentality of just when it's
hard, just surrender, tap out, disassociate, pray about it and blame God for why it is
or isn't being done as opposed to actively participating in co-creation and that authority
and accountability that we still have today.
What is that authority?
Well the authority that we have, it's scientifically, scripturally, religiously, we're constantly
co-creating, right?
So scientifically we can begin with intention, observation, reality, that's the authority
right there.
We are accountable for that.
We see that every day.
As far as scripturally, we were given dominion over the earth and we never lost that.
And three major religions still today don't believe that, I mean they all believe in that
story of the Garden of Eden, but they never lost that.
They were just kicked out of the garden, which was a separation from walking regularly with
God, but they still have dominion and accountability and authority.
And even Christians in the New Testament were considered the bride of Christ, were considered
ambassadors for Christ, were considered the royal priesthood.
There's an authority in that.
You wouldn't want your bride to walk with you and just go, oh well it's all my husband's
fault, it's my husband's fault, it's my husband's fault, the good and the bad, it's my husband's
fault.
There's an authority and accountability to be able to walk in power, love and sound mind
as opposed to fear and timidity and just tapping out.
And so we generally have authority as a co-creators and the ability to think through things in
day to day and over our body.
So I want to take some time to make sure we cover the concept of human design because
a friend of mine introduced me to it three, I actually heard about it almost a year ago
from someone I follow on Instagram, but I've never dived into it.
I think I tried, but I realized I don't know the moment I was born.
And so I don't have the third part and I have to order my birth certificate, but it
keeps coming up and I hear more and more people talk about it.
What is it?
So human design is a combination of I Ching or I Ching from traditional Chinese medicine
that's been around for thousands of years.
And I Ching was the belief back, I Ching itself is amazing.
It's this belief that as humans and this human experience, there's essentially 64 lessons
that any of us can understand or walk through.
And those 64 lessons cover the entire human experience.
And we may not have learned all of them, but there's 64 of them and each of them have six
steps to completion, like you're learning how to build a birdhouse and you learn a little
better, a little bit better, a little bit better, right?
Each of the 64 has six steps to it.
Now with that being said, each of those 64 actually correlates with amino acids and what's
called codon rings, which now we know is our genetics and epigenetics, which is amazing
and mind blowing.
So that's how I got introduced to the study of human design because I study epigenetics
and was delving into that information and that link there.
It's a very little known link of how those tie together, but it's fantastic.
So human design is the ability to look at the information that is specifically you through
the lens of I Ching and also astrology and also traditional Chinese medicine and also
some teachings by a man who believed certain things of how to put those together to make
almost like a personality chart of what you're going to experience here.
So if you were to think of like an Enneagram personality chart, human design is like that
on steroids essentially, because it's not just your personality chart.
It also has to do with the environment that's best for your body, the foods that are best
for your body, the way that you interact with the world that's best for your body, the experiences
that you're going to be experiencing here as life lessons for yourself.
It's amazing and you could spend your whole life looking at your chart and learning it.
I think one of the biggest takeaways from anyone who's looking at human design, I'd say the
two biggest things to look at if you pull your chart, which you can pull for free anywhere.
And there are people who can find your time of birth as well.
But I think the two biggest things to look at is which of the five main types of personality
you are.
There's five main types of personality.
There's a generator, a manifester, a manifesting generator, a projector and a reflector.
And those are the five main types.
Depending on who you are is going to tell you essentially a lot about your energy and
day.
If you are a generator, you have stable energy pretty much every day, even though you're
a woman, women have a 28 day energy hormone cycle, men have a 24 hour energy cycle.
But overall, if you're a generator, you can pretty much say yes to a product and usually
see it through.
You have a battery to do that.
If you are a manifester, you're kind of all over the place.
It's like God's given you and designed you to be gung ho on manifesting and asserting
yourself to one key thing to get that done.
Everything else, you get the laundry done when you can, kind of a thing.
If you are a manifesting generator, you're a combination of the two and it comes and
goes.
If you're a projector, then you're me and you're less than 20% of the population and
you are the prophets, the sages, the gurus.
You are the people who are here to hear directly from God or the universe, whatever your belief
system is and lead others and be a guide.
You don't have constant energy.
Very much the way that I understand it is like Elijah in the Bible would sit by the
river and just be fed by ravens because he was over-peopled.
He was just done.
I believe Elijah probably would have been a projector back in the day.
We're given a lot of information in a small amount of time and we do a lot of work in
a small amount of time that's concentrated and then we kind of tap out.
A reflector, your energy is just kind of reflecting the moon cycle.
One would be finding your personality type.
It's also how other people feel you.
As a projector, when I get on a screen, people feel me immediately, like immediately to their
core.
It's just part of what happens.
That's a projector thing.
The other thing I would say to look at is look at what's called your authority.
Your authority is the way that your intuition speaks to you.
All of us have a God-given nervous system, which is our internal barometer of our intuition.
I just have a gut feeling or I don't know, that feels off to me or something like that.
Everybody's intuition is going to speak a little bit differently to them.
There's different kinds of authorities, which is different kinds of intuition.
For example, I'm a splenic authority.
I hear a yes or a no right away.
If an lion was chasing me, I'm not going to sit here and think, well, how do I feel?
Let me cross.
I'd be dead.
I have a very fast authority, a very fast intuition.
You can ask me a question, I hear a yes or a no right away.
Also, that's why I think people who probably have the gift of prophecy like I do, that's
probably why we hear it right away, because we have that authority to hear that way.
If you are someone with an emotional authority, you're the person who... It's good to know
that because an emotional authority person is someone who they might immediately say
yes or no to an opportunity, but really they need to sleep on it because if they say yes
a couple of days later, they're the person who feels bad and goes, actually, you know
what?
I've thought about it and that doesn't feel right to me.
That's an emotional authority, somebody who has to ride the wave of how their body feels
about it.
Looking at your type, which is those five types like I said, and your authority, I think
would be the biggest things to begin with.
How long have you been following it?
How long have I been following it?
You teach it, right?
Yeah, I teach it.
This is almost embarrassing when I answer this question.
I have a genius IQ and EQ, so I can learn something really, really, really, really fast,
take it apart, put it back together, and then teach it really simply.
I've only learned gene keys.
I learned gene keys about three years ago.
I learned human design about three and a half years ago, and I learned I Ching, well, I
Ching about three years ago.
I've since then written courses and stuff about it and teach it.
Well, that's enough time to develop a serious theory about it too.
It is, yeah.
But I do, I feel bad because people are like, oh wow, how long have I been saying this?
I don't want to give people the ideal or the false belief that they're going to get into
it, and all of a sudden they're going to be able to break it down, spit it out, and do
that.
I think it's a false idea that it's that fast.
It normally is not that fast, and I don't want people to get overwhelmed.
It's fantastic information, really wonderful to have, and I think if you feel like you're
getting overwhelmed, just back up a little bit and use the importance and remember the
importance of integration.
Integration is so much more important than learning something new.
You teach it, right?
What is your course like that people work when they're working with you?
That I teach in two different ways.
I teach it with my holistic intuitive practitioner course, and so that's a five-month journey
with me and mentoring with me and people all over the world.
At the end of that course, they've learned the flow method, they've learned human design,
gene keys, brain patterns, also homeopathy, all kinds of things, methylation, epigenetics.
That's five months, and they'll learn it in there.
But also, I offer a monthly community membership where they access an online course, and they
learn all about human design and gene keys and brain patterns in there.
That one's you just sign up for a month, see if you like it, get in there, do the information,
play in it.
I'm in there, and I do Zoom every Wednesday as mentorship and training in that monthly
community as well.
If you have any questions, I'm in there every Tuesday answering questions.
There's two different ways.
The flow method is your craft, right?
What was that process like?
You put the pieces together and said, here's a simpler way to do that.
Did you blend things and discover your own process?
Yeah, I got really frustrated because I had learned so many modalities, reflexology, craniosacral,
homeopathy in three different ways.
I learned so many different things that when I was working with someone, it's like, where
do you begin?
Do you begin by looking... I mean, you do.
You do the intake form, and you're like, okay, this is their diet, this is their sleep, this
is their grounding, this is their medication supplements.
But from there, it's like, okay, well, where do we go from here?
Because there's so many different ways to approach this, right?
That's when I was like, okay, I'm really, honestly, I'm frustrated.
I'm like, I'm really sick and tired of this.
I want to know what they want.
What do you actually want?
If I could wave a magic wand and be like, okay, ta-da, what do you want to happen?
When I started asking that, I started realizing nobody knows what the heck they want.
I was like, wow, this is really a problem.
I was at the same time that I was learning about brain patterns.
I was like, if they don't even know how to say what they want, they're not going to be
able to create the brain patterns to get and achieve what they want.
Do you think that's because they're in survival state?
I think it's because not necessarily survival state.
I think it's that it seems so foreign to us as humans that it could be this easy.
Well, I think one of the periods we can't reproduce in our life is our childhood.
You can't go through that process where you have no prefrontal cortex for seven years.
It's like that scripting that happens to us is pure.
We're pure emotions.
We're not any thought processes.
I'm watching my grandson grow up in front of me and I realize that I have a massive
influence on him.
I pour love into him and he responds because it's positive.
I think we don't have that luxury as adults to go have that same experience.
It's a working through process of learning how to face fear.
Dr. Hawkins always says, the beginning of positive is always courage.
Courage is really love for the self.
This is worth, your goal idea, I love that because you're giving people a positive thought
to focus on and go after and manifest.
Guess what?
You can manifest that all day long, this idea that is your goal.
Well, then everything that you're doing is after that.
You had used a term of confirmation bias earlier.
It might have been before we began recording, but confirmation bias is so true.
You go looking for a vehicle and you're like, I'm going to get a red Jeep.
Then you get there and you're like, I really love this yellow minivan.
Everywhere you go, you're not going to notice a minivan or a yellow vehicle or a yellow
minivan.
That's a confirmation bias.
They were all there before, but now you're like, oh my gosh, look where I go.
I just noticed the same.
Then that's confirmation bias.
We have confirmation bias, whether it be us confirming the bias of our symptoms, which
are valid.
They're there.
Those cars were always there.
We're just noticing them now.
The symptoms may have been there and they might be real, but now we're super noticing
them and we're supporting it and it's a root system that we're watering versus let's have
a confirmation bias and a root system that we're watering of something positive that
we actually do want to pour energy into and support.
It puts the energy and the focus on what we want to experience versus what we're trying
to suppress.
Then all the other things from Eastern and Western medicine really at that point just
become support, which is what they should be.
They're almost like, I don't want to use the word band-aids, but they're almost like band-aids
and support, but it gives us and puts us back into the authority of what we're actually
working towards.
It's not survival state as much as it may be just, I don't want anything bad to happen
to me, which is a defensive posture.
It's not going after anything.
It's like, okay world, I've had enough.
I literally do just want to survive.
If I can enjoy a beer at night, I'm happy.
They live in a defensive state, which is missing out.
I think that's what I love about your concept is it puts a focus on something positive that
they decide.
It's not decided for them.
They have to earn and take responsibility for it because there's tremendous value in
being responsible for yourself in creating that life.
Yeah, Hippocrates is quoted as saying, ask what someone is willing to give up before
you're willing to help heal him.
I don't know that Hippocrates really said it or not, but it is very true that even when
I've worked with people over the years, I've worked with a lot of communities and people
over the years and there are times where I have just donated appointment times or donated
courses or whatever.
Every single time that that's happened, there was not an energy exchange for them to feel
connected to that and ownership of it.
Because they don't feel connected and ownership of it, they find one reason or another where
even if I worked on them and they were better, it doesn't hold the same way.
It's not the same energy exchange.
It just isn't.
Now, I will say that I have had appointments with people where they have been through the
ringer by the time that they see me.
They've already had that energy exchange.
They've already had that ownership.
They really have.
Or they really have put in the time, the money, whatever it may be.
But the people who just were like, yeah, my friend told me about what you do and I can't
and she bought it for me.
That's not the same.
It's never the same.
I love your idea of energy exchange.
I've never heard it put exactly like that.
But what came up for me is Jesus said, your faith has healed you.
I think it's the recognition of the healed one recognizing their own energy that's already
there.
I love that you brought up that concept and I don't know why, but it makes me tear up.
Actually, I know why it makes me tear up now that I take a second to think about it.
There are so many people that I have worked with who have autistic children who were non-verbal.
But when I work with an autistic child, with biofeedback, I can access their brain patterns
and their thoughts.
One was so clear that I told the mom, hey, as a follow-up, you need to get her paints
and watercolors.
She really wants to do that.
The mother started crying and she said, how did you know that?
I said, well, I do biofeedback.
I can hear it from her body.
I can just tell.
She said, nobody else knows that she used to paint and she hasn't done that in years.
The reason I bring that up is because when you said the energy exchange, I remember in
learning this journey of helping people along the way.
I remember coming from the church hearing, well, if they were just saved, if they were
just saved, if they just prayed about it.
Yet again and again when I searched scripture, it was your faith has made you well, not your
belief in me, your faith.
Again, I'm a bio-believing Christian, but I'm not here to tell you what to believe in.
But it was the faith.
It wasn't the faith in him.
It was the faith that they are healed.
I was like, man, when I started seeing that more and more and spending time with God,
I'm like, you're right again and again.
Then to push it even further, there were times where I had nonverbal autistic children or
someone who wanted me to work on a loved one.
They said, well, it work even if they're not here in the appointment time.
I said, do you remember the story of the centurion?
The centurion came to Jesus and he was pleading for his daughter.
Jesus said, go home, your daughter's well.
The daughter wasn't able to speak.
The daughter wasn't able to send him.
Lazarus wasn't able to speak.
Lazarus wasn't able to have faith and cry out.
It was the interceding.
Even though there's scripturally there's one mediator between God and man, but there
is an interceding.
Even Moses acted like that.
We're supposed to be interceding for each other in faith, in prayer.
That interceding is an energy exchange and we are able to do that, that interceding,
whether it be someone that is our child who has autism or whether it be us caring for
someone else, we are able to have that interceding and that same energy exchange in that state
where people are able to be made well.
What is your hope for this next year?
You work with people, but what's your big goal here?
My big goal.
Just like what's your thing in your first step?
What is that thing for you coming up?
I put years into creating something that's called a 30 day transformation program where
exhausted mothers can retrain their children on how to eat even if they're toddlers.
It has PDFs on teaching toddlers how to recognize and regulate their nervous system to create
a new nervous system baseline.
This future generations, even though mom's exhausted, she doesn't have to figure it
all out.
She doesn't have to study the brain.
She doesn't have to do anything.
She can literally post up PDFs and this next generation is more resilient with the renewing
of the mind.
That has been my heart's desire is to truly equip these future generations.
My hope is to reach 21,000, I don't know why that number, but 21,000 people getting that
in the next six months.
My other hope is to have another 100 holistic and tutor practitioners sign up to go out
into the world.
Those are my two hopes because for every practitioner that goes out into the world, the testimonies
that come back from their work is just phenomenal.
It's phenomenal.
Yeah.
It's beautiful.
Do you think it's possible just from your sense of whatever's happening here in your
third eye, it's possible that there's a tipping point of healing culturally?
Because here's what I see happening.
I see the healing concept accelerating dramatically.
Coaching is the fastest growing business on the internet.
It's yeah, I don't think it's necessarily, I think it would depend on what your thought
process is on is on a tipping point.
I believe that everything happens in an ebb and a flow.
I believe if we're looking at the macro and micro, we're also looking at the landscape
of what's happening in the world.
My answer would be about 15 minutes.
I won't delve into all of it right now.
Sorry, but it truly in the most summarized way would be about 15 minutes.
I would say that we go into different versions of enlightenment and none are greater or lesser
than the ones previous.
They're just different expressions of it is what I would say.
I think personally, I think when Jesus said, I go to my father's house to prepare a place
for you in my father's house, our many mansions, he was talking about dimensions because even
scientifically we know that we're interdimensional creatures and beings.
I believe in every dimension, it's not a different place.
Time doesn't exist scientifically.
I believe it's energy being experienced and I think every time energy is experienced,
it experiences itself to a point that it can't experience very many more variables and then
it begins again.
That's the best way I can summarize that.
I think that's a great answer is probably nearing that because I know that telepathy
is becoming easier to access, which is really just quantum entanglement.
We're at that tipping point of being entangled and once we're entangled to that extent, we're
at the tipping point of beginning again.
Yeah, because then you can experience every experience all simultaneously at once as everybody.
You'd have to be at the tipping point.
Does all that make sense?
Sorry.
It's a great question.
Well, Alan Watts said it's all just a dream God is having to amuse himself or to amuse
oneself.
The multiverse is God's every perspective.
It's how God...
There were years ago, yeah.
I create really, really, really extreme amount of DMT naturally and found that out from my
brain scans years ago.
I've always been able to...
What people have to go through a journey with ayahuasca to do, I can do naturally, just
naturally.
Years ago, I remember just being in prayer and I could see that humans are like the synaptic
connections and depending on how complex that human's beliefs are, their experiences are,
it's almost like a neural pathway in the universe that's actually like God's brain.
Each of us are like a thought, like we're a synaptic connection or neural pathway.
I thought, wow, that was so cool.
I remember having that realization that we are his electrical synaptic connections.
I don't know how to explain it because it's like you can see it, but you can't put it
into words.
I think Jesus and every great teacher had that challenge too, that this very physical
slowed down reality equals MC squared.
Energy slowdown becomes matter.
This slowed down reality is hard to articulate what makes the slowed down reality because
it's much faster.
It's not slowed down, so it's harder to articulate.
You're talking about the concept of realizing, hey, we're all source.
That was a very healing place for me, especially in regards to death.
That took away the sting of death because I realized, oh, I'm not … Jonathan is my
avatar, but I'm absorbed into source and I'm not going to die.
That was actually a huge shift for me to realize, okay, there's more than death.
When I was growing up, I don't know if you ever experienced this, growing up, I was so
worried that I was going to go to hell.
You know what's funny is I never had that experience.
I never did.
You saved yourself a lot of trauma.
I actually think hell is probably the most traumatizing thing the church does.
I think so.
Yeah, I had a pastor one time who is preaching about hell and at that time my brain did the
thing it does with high DMT where I could just see something.
At that time, whether you want to call it God revealed to me, whatever your belief system
is, I say it to my understanding, God revealed to me, hell is the illusion of separation
from him and that's why it's burning because scientifically …
He's trying to tell you.
Yeah, scientifically, there's no such thing as cold.
There's only absence of heat.
There's no such thing as darkness.
There's only absence of light, scientifically.
Just like there's no such thing as actual darkness and wickedness, there's absence
of God's presence.
People say, well, why is there darkness and wickedness?
Why does God let it?
It's where he's not.
It's the absence of God's presence.
There's no thing.
That's the hard part of the duality.
You have to embrace the idea.
Here's what I think the Garden of Eden is.
Basically, you have two major dualities, but the one that's really going to screw with
you is this tree and you have a judgment of good because all Genesis 1 is, is you're
good, you're good, you're good, you're good, you're good seven times and then they
get to the tree of knowledge which asks the question, are you good?
They can choose evil, which is the absence of judgment of good or they can choose good
and that's what God is trying to say is the duality has both, this one always produces
life.
It's literally that simple in terms of changing those neural pathways and scripts in our body
is all we have to do is consistently shift our body from I'm not good to I am good.
That's Christ consciousness.
If you look at, I remember I did have a fear growing up, now that you're saying that.
I had a fear of blasphemy and I didn't want to dishonor him.
It wasn't because I feared going to hell, it's because I feared, I don't know how to
explain this, but it's almost like little me feared hurting his heart.
I just felt like you're so good God and I just have, I always knew that.
Actually anybody who watches this, if you go back in the video, I didn't start going
to church until I was older, but my dad, I remember telling me that I was asking about
who was Jesus when I was three and I'd never been to church in my life.
It's like I just always knew.
And that's great.
But I just always knew.
So I didn't want to, I didn't blaspheme his name, but his one name that stands true throughout
all of scripture again and again and again, no matter what your belief system is, is I
am.
You've been saying, who do I say sends me?
I am.
Tell them I am.
And so when we're saying I am, and then you fill it in with something negative, you're
blaspheming the name of God and you're one with God.
You're literally blaspheming God.
And then through confirmation bias, you actually produce that.
You know?
And that's how we produce evil, which doesn't exist.
Yeah.
If you look up the definition of sin in the Bible, it's like a missing of the mark.
That's one of the definitions for it is it's something that's an off.
But we needed Jesus to remind us that the rules of the game started with grace.
And I think we've really missed out on that grace over the last 2000 years.
And people are beginning to wake up.
They're kind of letting go of a lot of the old religiosity.
And I see a lot of people really coming back to, oh, there's a lot of wisdom in what Jesus
is saying.
And it kind of now matches with what science is saying.
So I just have this, like you say, it's almost like a feeling.
I have that a lot too.
And I just have learned more.
Just listen to them.
Don't try and judge them.
Just listen to them.
And I feel like we're something major emerging, something major is emerging in regards to
healing.
There's something and it's I don't I think it's close.
I don't know.
I see people being interested in their healing.
And that's why I invited you on is I want to encourage people to listen to her program.
It's probably one of the closest that I could probably validate or just suggest because
I love the simple methodology.
That's the brilliant.
It's consistent with science.
It's people establish their own goal and they do their own work.
So you have no barriers.
And that is beautiful simplicity to me.
Jen, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it so much.
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