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I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.

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But the bottom line is is together.

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We try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.

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All right, let's get started.

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Welcome to living in the matrix.

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Everyone.

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I'm Jonathan.

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My co-host rich is not here with me today.

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He's out on a work assignment.

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So I have the pleasure of sharing with you.

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Dr. Jen Van Allen.

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She is a doctor and has some of the most unique concepts put into language that are so simple to understand.

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And I thought I wanted to bring her on to share her wisdom.

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Some of some of her stuff that I've been downloading has been absolutely amazing.

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So welcome Dr.

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Van Allen.

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It's pleasure to have you.

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Thank you for having me.

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I appreciate it very much.

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Absolutely.

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So so our listeners understand help us understand where your doctorate is from.

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So I have a doctorate of naturopathic medicine, but I also am trained in understudies of Western medicine.

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So well, and I also studied as a shaman.

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So I've studied in Eastern Western and indigenous medicine, which is very unique to be able to bridge the gap between those three fields.

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And I can do everything from run your labs and look at your T3 T4 with your thyroid to being able to speak to your spiritual journey as far as ayahuasca.

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And the way that I position it or place it before people is and having studied all three, I think that Western medicine is the masculine energy of acute treatment.

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And I think it's fantastic for that.

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You know, if you are to break or injure something and you need a CT scan right away, I feel like Western medicine is very it's very invasive in that way for a purpose.

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It's very masculine energy.

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And I feel like Eastern medicine is very much the feminine energy.

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It's going inward that yin energy of going deeper and what's chronic and long term.

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And then indigenous medicine is a spiritual journey.

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It's the bridge between the two.

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And so I feel like I have been really blessed in this life to learn the masculine, the feminine and the spiritual version of all these ways to help people have this human experience.

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You have a beautiful perspective and I love the sort of well rounded element because there's a lot of value in going deep on those three elements because they do speak to each other very deeply.

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As you were talking, I had just a thought and I thought, tell me if this is your experience that Western medicine, which is very masculine is very good at solving pain and Eastern medicine is good at solving suffering.

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Would you agree with that?

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Is that kind of the bends?

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You don't have to agree with it.

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Yeah, no, I love I love I love what you're posing as an ideal.

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And so I'm contemplating it.

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I always I always kind of look off to the side when I when I think to.

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It's almost as though like there's this this is very physical tangible reality.

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And then and then there's this part where it's like, how does it play out?

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You know, and I think Western medicine really strives to achieve that the numbing so to speak the the acute if there's pain and suffering coming in and bringing that to to a remedy or to a numbing it and addressing it that way.

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But I do think Eastern medicine does the same because there are homeopathic remedies. There are block flower remedies.

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There are herbs that immediately get rid of pain and suffering.

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I mean, immediately.

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So I believe both both when it comes to pain really do try to be as effective and as fast as possible.

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Yeah, I think the difference is that the Western when it does it because it's synthetic, you know, all pharmaceuticals like them or not, they're synthetic.

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And I really do think they have a place.

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But yeah, they're they're synthetic.

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And so they're forcing the body to do something in a much more aggressive like that masculine energy.

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But it's not actually because it's forcing so fast and so hard.

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It's not giving the time for the body to catch up to the storyline of cell turnover or what was underlying of why the body was expressing that symptom where I feel like with Eastern it.

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It can aggressively come in and deal with the pain.

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But it does so in a way that the herbs continue having that story with the body to unfold over time.

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Wow, that's wonderful.

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No, it's it's because I I am only recently really learning about masculine and feminine energy.

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And that's I grew up a Christian and we don't talk about energies.

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So you understand the journey.

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I literally am which is which is a quirky cat for me because I'm a Bible believing Christian, but I speak about shockers and radiance and can prove them with MRI scans.

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Right. And they're scientific elder.

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Yes. My father is elder for over 20 years.

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And and yet I believe everybody is on their own journey and God meets you where you are.

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But I similar thing.

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I grew up Bible believing Christian and this was all a new this was all new.

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It was really considered taboo.

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Yeah, it was considered that you're opening yourself to darkness.

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That's how the was worded right in the Christian Church.

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You're opening yourself to darkness.

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And I think I'm I'm it's I think we're coming into a point of time when people are waking up to the energetic level, which is quantum physics.

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It's not just woo woo.

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It's quantum physics and people are waking up to the reality.

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And I think there is a merging happening where they're beginning to communicate better together.

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So I agree I am.

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So I offer a bunch of different things and one of them is a private community and a practitioner training and in the private community and the practitioner training,

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there's there's something that I teach in both of those places,

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which is that no matter what your belief system is and how humans came to be most people's believe in the story of there being a tree of knowledge of good and evil.

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it's actually chaos and order, which later in the Bible,

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which is the Hebrew, the Muslims and the Christian,

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It says God is the God of chaos and order.

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And when you look at the yin and yang, it's chaos and order.

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you know, constantly flowing and and we see that in the Bible says rivers of living water.

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That spirit is the Holy Spirit is the flow.

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But the chaos and order, no matter what your belief system is,

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because when they knew of chaos, they were misplaced from their trust and they were not yet spiritually ready to know of that chaos.

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And so because they knew the chaos, they went to this place called fear and fear is what turns on epigenetic expressions of death and disease.

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OK, now we're diving in, which is I think is awesome.

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Help for a layman understand what you just said, because I know what you mean.

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But for a layman like a fourth grader, how would you describe what you just said about?

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Yeah, when you when you are in the kitchen and there's, you know, cookies and you know, you can you know, the cookies are there.

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You don't know what's going on with cookies, but they're there and you're just not supposed to touch them.

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You don't know why, but just not yet.

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And all of a sudden you go to touch the cookies and they break, you know, the glass jar on the floor breaks.

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All of a sudden, your nervous system, your body, your brain immediately goes to a reactive state because of the chaos,

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because what you didn't expect happened and it was unexpected.

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It was unknown and it's the unknown that we're no longer in that place of trusting because you can trust what you know,

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you can trust what you see. But once you are in the unknown, the chaos, that's where the reaction comes.

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And that nervousness comes and that fear comes.

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I didn't mean to. I'm really sorry.

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And your nervous system will immediately go to fight of saying it wasn't me.

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It was your, it was your fault.

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You shouldn't have left him out or flight free spawning of shutting down and running away.

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And that moment that you go to that nervous system response, that that fear response,

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that actually is what turns on all sorts of things in your body that lead to death and disease.

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It shuts down your detoxification.

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It shuts down your digestion. It shuts down what's called methylation.

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It shuts down all these abilities for you to thrive because you're in fear versus trust in response to chaos versus order.

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So what I hear you say is that we create our own physiological problems that manifest.

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Yeah, that's that's proven.

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Yeah. And there's a variety of, you know, there's supposedly nothing new under the sun, right?

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There's a variety of modalities, healing modalities or beliefs that say the same thing.

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Traditional Chinese medicine proves this.

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German new medicine, which is what we've been out for about 10 years now, proves that they call it psychosomatics.

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Yeah, we see it again and again that the body is our physical expression of what we're emotionally and mentally doing, not the other way around.

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Yeah. Wow. So you have a method called the flow method.

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Unpack that for me. And first what it is and then we'll talk about how you invented it but or came up with it or unpack it for us.

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I get really giddy when you say this. I can feel my body go.

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Okay, so I feel like I should have brought charts here.

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Okay, so if you're looking at Western medicine and Eastern medicine, both forms of medicine are looking at the the client or the patient coming in and saying what's wrong and how do we stop it from being wrong?

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Both are approaching that. How do I stop it with synthetic medication or cutting or, you know, surgery or whatever?

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Or how do I stop it with herbs and remedies and diet? But both as how do I suppress based on this first belief of there being a problem?

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The flow method is completely different. And instead, we begin with a goal of allowing someone to think what would you want your life to be like, not what are you running away from?

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And so that position is so different before we unpack the rest of the flow method.

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I cannot tell you how many pages of mine said yes, that when they come when they come in and which now I do online appointments, but when I asked them, what would you like your life to be like after I created the flow method?

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They said, I don't I don't even know. And I said, well, if you don't know, then you don't have the brain pattern, the thoughts, the biochemical processes to create what you want.

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Relationship wise, financial wise or health wise. And they go, oh my gosh, you're right. And then they go and then they proceed to tell me, but I have this this this and this wrong.

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And I go, okay. And I slow them down and I write down the things that are wrong.

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And then from there in speaking with them in the flow method, I then go back again, create a goal and figure out what are those things that I'm listening to them is almost like the deepest root within their nervous system pattern.

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That is leading to all of these varieties of branching off of symptoms.

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So in that conversation, I'm able to still come back and create a goal. And that's what the flow method always begins with.

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It's a goal. What are we actually working towards as a new pattern for the brain and the body to achieve, whether it be for your relationship to your finances or your money?

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So we begin with that new pattern and verifying that that pattern would work for that person.

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We can't have a goal like you're going to grow a third leg.

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Not going to happen, you know, but we can check with the subconscious and conscious, create a new goal.

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And then after that, the second step of the flow method is anything that doesn't agree with that on a subconscious and conscious level.

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We are able to walk through a variety of approaches and techniques I've created to release those brain patterns literally in real time, releasing those brain patterns.

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I want to explain how that happens because people go, how do you just do that in real time?

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Right. Well, just like you can walk into a room and somebody can drop a lamp and it shatter immediately.

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You create a new brain pattern as a reaction next time.

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Every time you see a lamp or every time you see that room, right, you have a new you have a new brain pattern.

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How would I react to the lamp? Just the same.

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If we're able to find what brain patterns are not agreeing with our goal and then find why the subconscious is wanting to do it,

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which is never self-sabotage, then I can offer it something that it can do instead to still achieve the goal of love, touch, money, whatever it's wanting to achieve, you know, but with less energy.

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And once I offer it a way to achieve that same goal with less energy, it then aligns to the original goal.

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And it completely overnight it takes it can take up to a few minutes up to two weeks for you to completely no longer even have that brain pattern in your body in your fascia anywhere anymore.

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So much so that there's times where it happens so fast, depending on the person's processing speed and the brain pattern that by the end of the appointment,

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when I ask them about how they feel about that issue compared to the beginning of the appointment, they go, I don't even remember having that issue.

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It's gone. And then the third part of the flow method is us again remembering whatever that goal is.

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We got rid of whatever doesn't agree.

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And now then we come in with nutritional changes or fuel support of supplements, medications, whatever it may be to support the body and the brain and the mind, everything achieving that goal.

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And that's how it works. Yeah.

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So it's a three step method.

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Chautau is down again. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's really it's I came up with it based on the toroidal fields, which is the yin yang, the flow of energy and all things, right?

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Is everything is the toroidal field.

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So the first one is that masculine. It's the asserting.

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What's my goal? The second one is the feminine.

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It's the removing what no longer is, you know, and then the third one is to support.

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It's that conversation of that flow between the two for it to happen and come to achieving that masculine goal.

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Have you ever heard of the infinite one by Walter Russell?

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I love him.

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Like, have you read his work?

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I did. I read his work.

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So have you read his work on sex?

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It's chapter eight of infinite one.

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I want to bring that up here because he talks about that specifically that the order of the duality is masculine because the masculine is the electricity and the feminine is the magnetic.

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But then he said it's the feminine back to the masculine.

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You know what? I take that back.

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I read.

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Name the one book again.

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The order of one.

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OK, I haven't read the order of one.

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Infinite one.

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The infinite one.

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I haven't read that one, but I did read a few of his other books and I do take it back that I believe that I remember him referencing it in one of his other books.

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Yeah, because it's the same.

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It's the same base knowledge, base knowledge again and again that he taught, which is brilliant.

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Brilliant.

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Yeah, I spent $150 on one of his books like 10 years ago before.

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I'm serious because you couldn't get it.

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You know, it's like on eBay and it's one of those things that you don't know why you're called to it and it just ends up in front of you.

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Walter Russell was one of those things where it's like I don't even know how it ended up in front of me when I was like searching the web for a variety of things.

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And all of a sudden I saw this thing of Walter Russell and it just resonated like.

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Just resonated so deeply with me that I remember cheering up and going, that's truth, whatever that was.

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And so I had to have the book and so I remember paying like $150 for his book and I still have today.

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But I've ordered a few other little books and I love his work.

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See, I want to go off on a little bit of a tangent here.

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You told me you grew up as a Christian and I've never stopped following Jesus.

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Jesus is the one that taught me to practice love.

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I credit Jesus with that journey.

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And here I am 40 years later going it was totally worth it.

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And here's the thought is Jesus gave everyone a goal.

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It was called Kingdom.

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It was this idea that everybody was in grace and I've always found that to be an outstanding goal for any human being.

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I love and yeah, go ahead.

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I on one hand like I appreciate that I'm on your podcast on the other hand, if we were in person, I'd be like,

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truly I would.

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So I guess it's good that we're slowing it down on a podcast.

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Yes, I don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ because it was just necessarily what I was taught.

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It's because time and time again, there's power in his name and I don't have to know why.

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I just know for me personally in my experience, that's true.

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And also, I think that's where any kind of belief of any kind of relationship gets stuck is an example.

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I give to people is your relationship that you have with any person in your life will say your wife, your best friend,

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whoever will not be the same relationship that anyone else has with them.

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It doesn't matter.

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Like it won't be the same relationship.

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So how we all experience God, how we all experience Jesus will be different for each one of us.

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And we see that even in the Bible, no two people experience Jesus the same.

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None of his disciples did, you know, so I'm never here to say this is how you should experience God or Jesus.

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I just can say this is what's true to me and my journey.

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And in my years along the way, one of the things I thought as I'm learning, you know,

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he's put on my heart a renewing the mind.

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All the work I do is helping people have a renewing the mind, which is empowering to them.

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It's quietly my personal mission is empowering people as there's this transition and they're so inundated with AI and chaos in the world.

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How do we bring people to a proactive state versus reactive because we were made in the spirit of power and love, not fear and timidity, right?

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Power, love, and sound mind is the verse.

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And so that's always been my heart's mission is how do I get people to being to being in a renewing the mind and standing in and walking in that power,

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love and sound mind versus the fear and timidity.

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And along the way, one of the things that came to my mind was, wow, the Bible is this journey that is like threefold,

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just like the journey we have as our human experience with God, with our parents and our own brain growing up.

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There's the Old Testament, which is all the law.

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You have to understand like logic and rhetoric.

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You have to understand the names of things and what they are and what to do and what not to do,

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not because that's the end of the conversation, but because you have to understand the meaning of it.

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Then the next portion is you're rebellious.

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You're just like a teenager and you're super rebellious.

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You're pushing every button, right?

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And you're just like, right?

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And we have to because otherwise without us pushing, we don't learn autonomy.

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We don't learn where it's safe to play if we don't push the boundaries, right?

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And so the Old Testament is just like kids when they go to a playground.

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I use this analogy.

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The first thing the kids always do is they set up a structure.

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Every time they go to a playground, they always go, these are the rules.

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This is what we're going to play, right?

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Right. They always do it.

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And then after that, then it's the chaos ensues, right?

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But they push the boundaries and that's our teenage years.

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And that's where the grace comes in.

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And then the last part is the spirit.

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You're in this wisdom.

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You know, you pushed against it.

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You've learned what holds fast.

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You've learned what doesn't and now you're in this wisdom.

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So it was like the knowledge and the law and then the grace and the pushing the boundaries

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and then the wisdom.

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And yeah, because we don't need complete grace.

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Wisdom is knowing how to use both.

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Yeah, you must have knowledge with wisdom.

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Knowing both sides of the duality.

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It's realizing they both have value to teach us something because I think that's...

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We could probably talk for hours.

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I was like, wow, this is great.

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Well, because there's...

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Here's what I think is coming.

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So I work in UX, which is user experience for software development.

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And in the beginning for me, it was product design.

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But what I really realized is I started to mature in it is that it's a study of how people

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do things.

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And what I realized, when my daughter was six, I started taking her to neurofeedback.

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And I started reading about neuroscience to understand my daughter and ended up wanting

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to read it for myself.

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And I think we're waking up to a period where science is catching up to the rhetoric and

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saying, okay, this body is an energetic system.

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It has a nervous system.

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Like nobody knew, really understood the value or the impact of the nervous system 20 years

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ago.

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And we're waking up to that mental health reality.

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And the flow, I want to dive in here is people get stuck in patterns.

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And what I'm learning in neuroscience is that's exactly how the brain works.

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The brain creates a prediction of reality and then looks for the evidence to support

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it.

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So it's complete confirmation bias, but nothing breaks the barrier.

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Nothing external can break that barrier to the internal, but the prediction is then either

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rewritten or restructured.

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And it's that simple.

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We script ourselves.

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And when we realize and here's the value of realizing that one fact is you can change

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the script.

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And I discovered that over the last 40 years by practicing love.

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But you've brought the science to it.

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And I think that's help.

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I want to talk about the dark periods, dark night of the soul that build the survival

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patterns unpack that idea that you bring and help us understand that.

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I have a very different.

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I have a very unique belief system about that and and explanation of it.

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So people very often ask me about well, what is a brain pattern?

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What is it that you're talking about that you change brain patterns?

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Is it trauma?

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Is it inner child?

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It's not trauma inner child.

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Our brain pattern can be positive and our brain pattern could be negative.

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Our body doesn't think of anything as a brain pattern or positive negative.

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So before I get to how I think of it, I have to explain some base knowledge.

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There's one truth that every single body's body actually processes in before is food

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or supplements good or bad before is a belief system.

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Good or bad before is an experience good or bad and that is one truth survival through

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energy conservation.

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Every single cell of your being is constantly scanning for energy conservation, right?

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So survival through energy conservation.

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That is actually why we create and store any pattern positive or negative.

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It's why we store the smell of Grammys cookies as much as it's because we store the good

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too.

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We store generations of good.

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Everybody's like, oh, it's the bad stuff.

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We store the good, you know, here's the here's the science.

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The science is that's the most effective computer system that exists.

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Yes, that system.

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That's the value of it.

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So the body is extremely efficient.

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It looks for simplicity that works.

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Yes, it looks for return on investment is how I can explain it when I in my courses

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and to my and to my students.

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And we actually have a you know, you can get to the science and we have a crystalline cellular

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matrix within every single cell.

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That's what makes up our fascia.

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We're literally computers.

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We're walking talking computers.

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We are and anybody wants to look it up.

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You can't I just I put it in layman's terms.

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So so really the first thing is survival through energy conservation and it's survival, not

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thriving surviving.

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Right.

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So if you make it through any situation and you survived, you will continue to do whatever

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you did.

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That's how it works.

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And when people go to wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a quick second.

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What do you mean you will continue doing whatever you did?

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So let's say that you made it from repeat the pattern.

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Yes.

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You made it from point A to point B while driving down the road and you made it there

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safely.

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Guess what you're going to subconsciously do tomorrow.

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You're going to try to take the same route.

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Right.

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That's not trauma, but yet it's stored.

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So the belief that we're storing trauma and that's why we're perpetuating things is absolutely

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false and it keeps people in this false narrative of chasing trauma and chasing inner child

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as opposed to looking at it from this neutral point and this open mindedness of what are

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my patterns just like a computer program that I get to upgrade.

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When you're able to step back with that and that neutrality and go, this is just a program,

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that's all that it is.

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I made it through by doing this.

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That's a program.

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How can I see what programs I want to upgrade and do better?

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Then you're optimizing everything in your life and that's how I approach it.

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That does not mean that I'm gaslighting that your trauma that you went through wasn't reality.

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It was.

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I went through severe trauma as a child.

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But yet with all the modalities I learned, the more that you talk about it, the more

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that you're experiencing it, the more that you are creating, I survived by this.

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I'm going to continue doing this.

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So you ingrained it.

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Yeah.

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It's dwelling.

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Like people don't realize if they sit there and think about it for the next four days,

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they're literally scripting themselves over and over and over and over and over.

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Yeah.

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The reason why, that's a great point and there's two things to that.

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There's a 20-year study done and I don't even remember the study, but if you were to Google,

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there's a 20-year study done on talk therapy and they found out that the people who from

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the beginning to end were doing the talk therapy, they began identifying with that trauma because

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that became their identity.

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The reason I explain it that way is if you were to plant a seed, that's an experience.

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The more that you water that seed, the more that that root system grows.

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Our nervous system is literally a root system.

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Right?

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Yep.

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Just like my seed bears good fruits.

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A bad seed bears bad fruit.

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Right?

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Philippians think upon whatever is true.

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Right?

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Honorable, pure, lovely, excellent, and praiseworthy.

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If you want to go scripturally, if you want to do it as far as quantum science and quantum

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physics, well, they teach it that observation creates reality.

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Intention creates observation, which then creates reality.

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It's your intention.

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You can experience something incredibly horrible.

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Let's say that you got a D in school and you're like, oh my gosh, I got a D in school.

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This is horrible.

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The same person can get a D and go, you know what?

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That means that I get to take this test again and try it again and do even better and get

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an A. I thought I was only going to get a C anyway.

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So being able to set the intention creates the observation of reality.

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That's why when we're looking at everything through the ideal or lens of this is traumatic

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or not versus this is a brain pattern, this is just a computer program, how can we optimize

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it?

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You stay in those patterns longer because it becomes your identity.

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You get stuck in the emotion, which is energy and motion versus creating what's new.

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Yeah.

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It becomes long-term perpetuating because I think part of the survival mechanism for

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holding on to all that, I just call it bullshit.

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We're establishing patterns that actually destroy us.

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That's the loop that I think that the original tree always said, it's unto death because

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when we do that to our body, we literally give it dis-ease, which becomes disease.

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We're like, oh, I have cancer.

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That's because your body couldn't fight what you were scripting it with.

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It's hard to shift to that idea that we have that much power over our own body.

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The techniques I do, I agree.

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Yeah, I do agree.

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That's why I've come up with techniques that can shift people's brain patterns so fast

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because within 10 minutes, people start going, holy crap, that makes, I literally see and

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approach it differently.

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Are you establishing permanence or is that a first experience?

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You can't write a neuro pathway in 10 seconds.

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Oh, yeah, you can.

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You can start it.

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You can start it.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so you can definitely start it, but here's the thing.

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It's not just the starting, it's the releasing the old.

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We're back to survival through energy conservation.

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This is how fast it can happen when we're saying we can't do that.

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Let's say that you're walking down a path and all of a sudden a coyote comes at you

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and you know next time you get on the path, watch out for the coyote.

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Now let's say that we were able to give you a faster way to watch out for that coyote

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or walk down that path where you no longer have to watch out for that coyote.

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You would immediately release the needing to watch out for that coyote.

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That's the difference.

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When you're able to come in and give the survival brain a way to approach the same situation

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faster with less energy, it'll immediately start shifting because it prioritizes saving

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energy.

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It wants to save energy.

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But here's the thing, from a habit perspective, and I'm not saying you're wrong or anything

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like that.

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It's just I'm listening to the science of how that works, but I know people also operate

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off of habits and habits become unscripted.

443
00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:17,340
So it requires, I think you can start immediately.

444
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:21,860
I think that's what salvation is, is the awareness and you just stay on the path, but

445
00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:27,360
it requires the intention to stay in that mindset because it's the other pathway still

446
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,420
exists and in a lot of times it's a highway.

447
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:32,900
So we can struggle with that.

448
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:34,700
Yeah, it depends.

449
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,180
So let's say that we're doing an affirmation.

450
00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:39,060
People have asked that about my work too.

451
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:43,580
An affirmation does not offer the survival brain a way to approach a situation with less

452
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:46,980
energy in which it feels it can trust it.

453
00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:49,540
You're asking yourself to expand and create more trust.

454
00:30:49,540 --> 00:30:53,500
If you're able to offer the brain a way that it can approach the same situation without

455
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,780
having to establish trust where it still feels like it's a reaction, a stress response,

456
00:30:57,780 --> 00:31:02,780
but with less energy, it'll immediately take to that because it's a stress response with

457
00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:09,660
less energy versus a proactive response that takes more energy.

458
00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:13,580
And I think that's where it's like the science hasn't caught up with that.

459
00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:14,580
They haven't even tested that.

460
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:18,540
That hasn't even been tested to say, okay, this is your survival stress response.

461
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:22,460
Let's give you another survival stress response that uses less energy.

462
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:26,380
Check your subconscious and check your conscious, see if it'll agree and then see how fast that

463
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:27,380
will shift.

464
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:29,900
Like the doctor who...

465
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,340
That's a provocative idea though.

466
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:33,340
It's what I do.

467
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:36,020
That's what the flow method does.

468
00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:42,500
To validate that so the scientific community can see the evidence or has it already been

469
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:43,500
done.

470
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:44,500
I would love to.

471
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:45,500
Yeah.

472
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:46,500
I would love to.

473
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:52,580
But I worked with the doctor who trained me and gave me my residency in the basics of

474
00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:55,580
the QVG brain practitioner training.

475
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:57,740
He didn't believe that was possible.

476
00:31:57,740 --> 00:32:01,820
And I worked on him without the brain scanner.

477
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:05,980
I worked on him using the tools that I have.

478
00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:10,820
And I was able to tell him in real time when certain events happened to him and how he

479
00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:16,340
responded and offer him other responses if he could rewrite that memory on a conscious,

480
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:21,420
not hypnotherapy, consciously rewrite that memory with a new survival response.

481
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:23,180
And we walked through that.

482
00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:28,940
And this is a thick German accent man was crying and afterwards, so we had scanned his

483
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:30,940
brain before, we scanned it after.

484
00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:37,700
That was worth multiple biofeedback sessions because the brain shifted so fast.

485
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:42,860
Because again, survival through energy conservation, if you can offer it a faster way to survive

486
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:46,420
with less energy versus an affirmation as I'm going to be a millionaire tomorrow.

487
00:32:46,420 --> 00:32:47,420
Well, that's great.

488
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:49,100
But that's that requires us showing up.

489
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:50,540
What are we going to do with the millions?

490
00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:51,540
What about get the millions?

491
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:52,540
Where do we put it?

492
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:54,500
What if our family wants millions?

493
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,100
That's a lot of energy, right?

494
00:32:56,100 --> 00:33:01,620
That is versus rewriting a survival stress response with a survival stress response that

495
00:33:01,620 --> 00:33:02,620
uses less energy.

496
00:33:02,620 --> 00:33:10,860
Well, I think that's the brilliance of love is love always leads to the greatest outcome.

497
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:17,160
And I can, the more this is the journey I've had for the last two years of really listening

498
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,940
to what has been the outcome of following Jesus for 40 years.

499
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:27,380
And it really is, is that I think the missing piece for most people is grace, like to fully

500
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:31,940
embrace grace, but to fully embrace grace, you have to give it to everyone else.

501
00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:34,460
It's just a flat all or none.

502
00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:35,460
It's grace.

503
00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:37,580
That's that is the operating system of the universe.

504
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:43,020
And when you start there, everybody then starts in grace.

505
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:46,980
And that idea is always kind of match this kingdom idea.

506
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:52,660
I think that's an old world, but it's this idea where things belong, you know, it's family,

507
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:55,680
it's you belong and you can find your place.

508
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,660
But because you have grace, you have the energy to now focus on you're not in survival state

509
00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:03,660
anymore.

510
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:05,840
Grace takes you out of survival state.

511
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,260
And that would mean scientifically it's leading to the most economic and efficient way of

512
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:11,260
living.

513
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:12,260
That's, that's true.

514
00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:14,660
If you can bring people subconscious to that.

515
00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:20,740
So an example of what you're saying in, in what I do that actually is it is what you're

516
00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:23,380
saying.

517
00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:29,580
So this week I had an appointment with a patient who had been viciously raped not once, but

518
00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:34,500
twice to say to her, Hey, have grace, grace for yourself, grace for that person.

519
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:40,540
Thankfully so her survival brain and her body, her physical body should not be able to do

520
00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:41,540
that.

521
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:42,540
She would not be able to survive.

522
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:43,540
Right.

523
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:47,620
I mean, she wouldn't if her body was able to just imagine, yeah, next time that happens,

524
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:49,340
I'm just going to lay down and die.

525
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:52,740
Jesus said, greater love has no end in this that you would lay down your life for your

526
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:54,140
brother and die.

527
00:34:54,140 --> 00:34:56,360
That's for him, not on to him.

528
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,360
There's a difference with that.

529
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,420
There's a very vast difference with that.

530
00:35:00,420 --> 00:35:02,420
And so, yeah,

531
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:05,420
But let me ask you a question.

532
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:10,420
Does that person in holding onto that survival mechanisms live out the consequences of holding

533
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:11,420
on to it?

534
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:13,420
I think it's a pragmatic issue.

535
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:15,620
It's not a more, it's never a moral issue.

536
00:35:15,620 --> 00:35:17,620
It doesn't matter if she does or doesn't.

537
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:22,860
The brain will continue unless you offer it something with that uses less energy because

538
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:26,220
that's God's design for our body is survival.

539
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:27,540
He's created us that way.

540
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:31,100
You cannot with your prefrontal cortex undo that.

541
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:32,780
And grace is a prefrontal cortex.

542
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:33,780
It's not survival brain.

543
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:35,780
It's a hundred percent prefrontal cortex.

544
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:38,380
So there's no way that she could even choose to do that.

545
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:42,720
She couldn't choose to do that unless she has a freeing of that system to offer her

546
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,460
a different way that uses less energy and release that.

547
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:50,020
So in the appointment, what we did was I walked her through a visualization.

548
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:53,260
In that visualization, it is an embodiment of grace.

549
00:35:53,260 --> 00:36:00,860
It is her, in the visualization, there's a bunch to it, but in the visualization, while

550
00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:05,980
awake, she's able to go back to whatever space and time she was with those brain patterns

551
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:08,300
there that's in her body.

552
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:14,420
And she's able to walk through the technique that I bring in that makes her feel safe while

553
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:19,220
she does it to then express whatever she would want it to express that allows her to feel

554
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:21,740
safe to completely destroy it.

555
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:26,940
There are times where in that visualization, people have imagined burning someone, imagined

556
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:30,980
lighting a house on fire, imagined destroying the bed in which they were hurt, whatever

557
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:37,380
it is, they're able to have the grace for themselves to, to display the things that

558
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:41,220
their survival brain wanted to be able to put forward to feel safe that they couldn't

559
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:43,580
in that situation.

560
00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:48,420
As they're able to walk through that grace for themselves and accepting that's what they

561
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:53,580
needed to do to survive, but they couldn't do their body then goes, okay, now how can

562
00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:58,860
I imagine that person, that environment, whatever neutralized and their body will neutralize

563
00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:04,100
that memory and will release those survival patterns because they're no longer trying

564
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,580
to hold this is what I needed to do to survive.

565
00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:09,240
Now they go, okay, I did this, I rewrote it.

566
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,460
This is what I wanted to do to survive.

567
00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:14,460
And also I brought in the things where they felt trust as though they've survived.

568
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:18,140
They're on the other side because I can, I literally connect the current brain pattern

569
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:21,760
with the old brain pattern in real time by doing that.

570
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,860
So the part of them that knows I survived, I'm on the other side is going back to the

571
00:37:24,860 --> 00:37:27,160
park going, what did I need to do to survive?

572
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,300
And then it comes to cohesiveness in the beginning of the visualization.

573
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:35,260
Whenever I walked these people through this, I asked them in real time to imagine them

574
00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:39,180
hugging or accepting them at that time and seeing if that person will, will hug them

575
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:40,180
back.

576
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:45,540
They won't even hug themselves back because their survival brain at that point is so broken

577
00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:52,580
and so, so holding on for everything, they won't even imagine accepting a hug from themselves.

578
00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:54,660
By the end of it, they able to hug themselves.

579
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:58,100
They're able to be hugged by themselves and receiving the grace and that love and everything

580
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,100
that they experienced is neutralized.

581
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:03,420
Yeah.

582
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:12,300
So that kind of leads to this new way of operating because it's so similar to the, just the simple

583
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:18,900
practice of love, which I think is to state the positive in our life to constantly deposit

584
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:19,900
positive.

585
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:28,380
I am loved and in doing so we release ourselves from the 87% of the things we worry about

586
00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:31,260
that never come true.

587
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:37,140
And we have enough energy to live a really vibrant life and deal with the 13% that actually

588
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:39,660
does come true.

589
00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:44,000
And so that new way of living is what you call thriving.

590
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
What is thriving for you?

591
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,980
I think thriving for every person is going to be different because the coding that a

592
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:56,820
dandelion is meant to express in a body is different than an oak tree.

593
00:38:56,820 --> 00:39:06,380
And so I think thriving would be able to have the freedom and energy and connection with

594
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:10,140
God and the purpose of what they're here by God's designed to embody.

595
00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:13,580
To be able to have the resources to do that.

596
00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:14,580
Yeah.

597
00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:19,020
I mean, the Bible says even the rocks cry out to him to his glory.

598
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:27,620
I think thriving is being able to rejoice and embody what his design is for you.

599
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:30,860
How has thriving showed up for you?

600
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:33,140
Because I assume you practice your own flow method.

601
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:34,140
It sounds like you do.

602
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:35,140
I do.

603
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:36,140
Yeah.

604
00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:38,260
I actually can do it while driving.

605
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:42,660
I can go through the whole scan sheet and work on myself.

606
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:43,940
Yeah.

607
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:56,100
I would say in so, so, so, so many ways, I have lived through in my life probably every

608
00:39:56,100 --> 00:40:02,300
situation that somebody could say, or I'd say 90% of situations that humans could say

609
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,300
would be traumatic.

610
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:07,180
I have been impoverished.

611
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:08,180
I have been broken.

612
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:09,180
I have been bruised.

613
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:10,180
I have been sick.

614
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:11,180
I have miscarried.

615
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:14,100
I mean, I've been through the wringer, right?

616
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:20,820
But I would say that I can genuinely wake up every day trusting God's mercy is new every

617
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:29,260
day and rejoicing and my nervous system, my mind, my body, it's very proactive in every

618
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:36,380
day seeing what would I delight in doing today versus what do I have to get done or what

619
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:40,300
am I running from or what am I suppressing?

620
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:41,300
Every day is like that.

621
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:46,580
Like literally every day is just very, it's like, ah, it's very peaceful.

622
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:48,580
It's very calm.

623
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:50,460
It's very happy.

624
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:57,660
And yeah, there's a lot in the Bible about that that actually says, you know, a peace

625
00:40:57,660 --> 00:41:02,740
that passes understanding, I would say that's probably the best way to describe it as a

626
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:05,620
peace that passes understanding every single day.

627
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:06,620
Yeah.

628
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:14,260
I want to go back a little bit and ask, because I really I haven't, what was it like growing

629
00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:15,260
up for you?

630
00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:17,820
Did you grow up in a family that embraced Jesus?

631
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:19,820
What was your background?

632
00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:28,100
Personally, I from ages zero to five, my dad was military, so he would come and go.

633
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:33,700
And my mother was a really, really strong drug addict.

634
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,980
And when my dad was home, she was okay.

635
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:40,380
And then when he was gone, she was horrible.

636
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:44,660
Like there were times where we'd have like no food or water for three days and CPS would

637
00:41:44,660 --> 00:41:47,640
show up and then the whole cycle would begin again.

638
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,020
So for my formative years where you're creating most of your brain patterns is zero to seven.

639
00:41:53,020 --> 00:42:02,900
So for me, zero to five was a lot of very traumatic physical, sexual abuse, starvation.

640
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:06,900
I remember being three and sleeping at the park because it was safer to sleep under the

641
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:09,780
merry-go-round than it was in my house.

642
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:16,460
So I had really, really, really horrific childhood from zero to five.

643
00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:19,340
And then after that, I was in foster care for a little while.

644
00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:22,780
And then my dad got remarried when I was around seven.

645
00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:28,180
And at that time, him and my stepmom didn't go to church or anything.

646
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:30,380
My dad grew up in the church, but he didn't go.

647
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:34,980
And I remember they started going a couple months after they got married, maybe a year

648
00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:36,980
after they got married, so it was around eight.

649
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:41,060
Actually, I think I was closer to nine when they started going.

650
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:46,740
And I remember really clearly seeing my dad going from this military man who was gruff

651
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:52,620
and he was a drill instructor and was swearing and just ornery and really aggressive and

652
00:42:52,620 --> 00:43:00,420
assertive to being someone who was sitting at my little tikes table with my sister.

653
00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:03,660
And I had a little tikes table by that point when I was around nine.

654
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:10,260
And he was in the room sitting at the little tikes table with another man regularly praying.

655
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:13,340
And studying God's word.

656
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:16,540
And I remember he wasn't swearing and he wasn't drinking.

657
00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:29,620
And I remember that change in him so drastic that it's like I can't have asked God for

658
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:36,060
a more beautiful story of a testimony that I got to walk through my life and a lot of

659
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:37,700
people's lives.

660
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,980
Not just that, but a lot of people that I've worked with over the years to see the night

661
00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:42,980
and day transformation of them.

662
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:47,500
But my dad is probably one of the ones that is most precious and dear to my heart.

663
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,380
Because it was real to your story.

664
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:53,340
Yeah, it was real to my story and it was also so significant.

665
00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:59,620
So night and day and so quick too for him to go through that.

666
00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:08,140
And so then after that I was baptized around 10 and I think there was a lot of stability

667
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:12,260
in the home then other than my dad would come and go a lot.

668
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:14,580
Still being military.

669
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:20,580
And there was definitely still trauma that unfolded after that.

670
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:24,300
Over the next few years up until I was 18 and I moved out.

671
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:28,460
This was a blended family and they both came from a lot of stuff.

672
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:31,380
And there's a lot of stuff when you have blended family and so there's still continuing of

673
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:33,340
trauma after that.

674
00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:40,300
But my dad over those years became an elder in the church and it was really beautiful

675
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:46,860
to have for me personally that hope of the message of the gospel.

676
00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:53,260
And at the same time I can say and looking back I remember being in my early 20s to late

677
00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:59,460
like mid 30s and also coming to this other side of my walk and understanding of God of

678
00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:08,860
realizing how much people who rub in any religion really go to this survival stress response

679
00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:12,620
of disassociating and tapping out because some higher power is going to come in and

680
00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:14,060
fix it.

681
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:18,020
And so they're actually not showing up proactively in their life.

682
00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:21,500
Yeah, they're not showing up proactively in their life because they're like, well if it's

683
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:25,300
God's will, well if it's God's will, well I'm just going to pray about it.

684
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:30,460
And I remember coming to this very other part of my personal journey in my life and also

685
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:35,500
my faith and going, wow, this is really not okay.

686
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:40,780
There's so many people that are in religious organizations, including Christianity, that

687
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:49,180
are silenced and suppressed and in addition are given this mentality of just when it's

688
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:55,460
hard, just surrender, tap out, disassociate, pray about it and blame God for why it is

689
00:45:55,460 --> 00:46:01,220
or isn't being done as opposed to actively participating in co-creation and that authority

690
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:06,620
and accountability that we still have today.

691
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:09,180
What is that authority?

692
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:17,500
Well the authority that we have, it's scientifically, scripturally, religiously, we're constantly

693
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:18,500
co-creating, right?

694
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:22,900
So scientifically we can begin with intention, observation, reality, that's the authority

695
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:23,900
right there.

696
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:25,620
We are accountable for that.

697
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:27,540
We see that every day.

698
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:33,300
As far as scripturally, we were given dominion over the earth and we never lost that.

699
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:38,100
And three major religions still today don't believe that, I mean they all believe in that

700
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,620
story of the Garden of Eden, but they never lost that.

701
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:44,220
They were just kicked out of the garden, which was a separation from walking regularly with

702
00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:48,660
God, but they still have dominion and accountability and authority.

703
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:52,860
And even Christians in the New Testament were considered the bride of Christ, were considered

704
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:55,140
ambassadors for Christ, were considered the royal priesthood.

705
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:56,580
There's an authority in that.

706
00:46:56,580 --> 00:47:00,460
You wouldn't want your bride to walk with you and just go, oh well it's all my husband's

707
00:47:00,460 --> 00:47:03,980
fault, it's my husband's fault, it's my husband's fault, the good and the bad, it's my husband's

708
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:04,980
fault.

709
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:09,780
There's an authority and accountability to be able to walk in power, love and sound mind

710
00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:12,140
as opposed to fear and timidity and just tapping out.

711
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:25,020
And so we generally have authority as a co-creators and the ability to think through things in

712
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:29,300
day to day and over our body.

713
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:35,980
So I want to take some time to make sure we cover the concept of human design because

714
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:42,020
a friend of mine introduced me to it three, I actually heard about it almost a year ago

715
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:45,700
from someone I follow on Instagram, but I've never dived into it.

716
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:49,620
I think I tried, but I realized I don't know the moment I was born.

717
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:55,700
And so I don't have the third part and I have to order my birth certificate, but it

718
00:47:55,700 --> 00:48:00,860
keeps coming up and I hear more and more people talk about it.

719
00:48:00,860 --> 00:48:01,860
What is it?

720
00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:09,700
So human design is a combination of I Ching or I Ching from traditional Chinese medicine

721
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:13,020
that's been around for thousands of years.

722
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:21,180
And I Ching was the belief back, I Ching itself is amazing.

723
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:26,380
It's this belief that as humans and this human experience, there's essentially 64 lessons

724
00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:30,380
that any of us can understand or walk through.

725
00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:34,220
And those 64 lessons cover the entire human experience.

726
00:48:34,220 --> 00:48:37,540
And we may not have learned all of them, but there's 64 of them and each of them have six

727
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:40,780
steps to completion, like you're learning how to build a birdhouse and you learn a little

728
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:42,860
better, a little bit better, a little bit better, right?

729
00:48:42,860 --> 00:48:45,700
Each of the 64 has six steps to it.

730
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:51,300
Now with that being said, each of those 64 actually correlates with amino acids and what's

731
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:58,500
called codon rings, which now we know is our genetics and epigenetics, which is amazing

732
00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:59,500
and mind blowing.

733
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:06,500
So that's how I got introduced to the study of human design because I study epigenetics

734
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:11,580
and was delving into that information and that link there.

735
00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:15,880
It's a very little known link of how those tie together, but it's fantastic.

736
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:22,060
So human design is the ability to look at the information that is specifically you through

737
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:30,980
the lens of I Ching and also astrology and also traditional Chinese medicine and also

738
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:40,620
some teachings by a man who believed certain things of how to put those together to make

739
00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:44,460
almost like a personality chart of what you're going to experience here.

740
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:48,900
So if you were to think of like an Enneagram personality chart, human design is like that

741
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:53,620
on steroids essentially, because it's not just your personality chart.

742
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:57,540
It also has to do with the environment that's best for your body, the foods that are best

743
00:49:57,540 --> 00:50:02,220
for your body, the way that you interact with the world that's best for your body, the experiences

744
00:50:02,220 --> 00:50:06,060
that you're going to be experiencing here as life lessons for yourself.

745
00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:11,060
It's amazing and you could spend your whole life looking at your chart and learning it.

746
00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:15,540
I think one of the biggest takeaways from anyone who's looking at human design, I'd say the

747
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:20,340
two biggest things to look at if you pull your chart, which you can pull for free anywhere.

748
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:24,380
And there are people who can find your time of birth as well.

749
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:29,780
But I think the two biggest things to look at is which of the five main types of personality

750
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:30,780
you are.

751
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:33,020
There's five main types of personality.

752
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:39,180
There's a generator, a manifester, a manifesting generator, a projector and a reflector.

753
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:41,980
And those are the five main types.

754
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:46,100
Depending on who you are is going to tell you essentially a lot about your energy and

755
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:47,780
day.

756
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:52,980
If you are a generator, you have stable energy pretty much every day, even though you're

757
00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:58,380
a woman, women have a 28 day energy hormone cycle, men have a 24 hour energy cycle.

758
00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:03,060
But overall, if you're a generator, you can pretty much say yes to a product and usually

759
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,060
see it through.

760
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,860
You have a battery to do that.

761
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:09,780
If you are a manifester, you're kind of all over the place.

762
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:14,480
It's like God's given you and designed you to be gung ho on manifesting and asserting

763
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,700
yourself to one key thing to get that done.

764
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,920
Everything else, you get the laundry done when you can, kind of a thing.

765
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,940
If you are a manifesting generator, you're a combination of the two and it comes and

766
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:28,940
goes.

767
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:33,260
If you're a projector, then you're me and you're less than 20% of the population and

768
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:36,420
you are the prophets, the sages, the gurus.

769
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:41,500
You are the people who are here to hear directly from God or the universe, whatever your belief

770
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:45,260
system is and lead others and be a guide.

771
00:51:45,260 --> 00:51:47,900
You don't have constant energy.

772
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:52,020
Very much the way that I understand it is like Elijah in the Bible would sit by the

773
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,540
river and just be fed by ravens because he was over-peopled.

774
00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:56,220
He was just done.

775
00:51:56,220 --> 00:52:00,940
I believe Elijah probably would have been a projector back in the day.

776
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:03,980
We're given a lot of information in a small amount of time and we do a lot of work in

777
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:06,900
a small amount of time that's concentrated and then we kind of tap out.

778
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:12,300
A reflector, your energy is just kind of reflecting the moon cycle.

779
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:15,460
One would be finding your personality type.

780
00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:17,020
It's also how other people feel you.

781
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:23,300
As a projector, when I get on a screen, people feel me immediately, like immediately to their

782
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:24,300
core.

783
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:25,460
It's just part of what happens.

784
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:27,420
That's a projector thing.

785
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:34,740
The other thing I would say to look at is look at what's called your authority.

786
00:52:34,740 --> 00:52:40,700
Your authority is the way that your intuition speaks to you.

787
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:49,500
All of us have a God-given nervous system, which is our internal barometer of our intuition.

788
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:56,220
I just have a gut feeling or I don't know, that feels off to me or something like that.

789
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:59,940
Everybody's intuition is going to speak a little bit differently to them.

790
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:04,020
There's different kinds of authorities, which is different kinds of intuition.

791
00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:06,380
For example, I'm a splenic authority.

792
00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:08,860
I hear a yes or a no right away.

793
00:53:08,860 --> 00:53:14,060
If an lion was chasing me, I'm not going to sit here and think, well, how do I feel?

794
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:15,060
Let me cross.

795
00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:16,340
I'd be dead.

796
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:19,660
I have a very fast authority, a very fast intuition.

797
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:22,580
You can ask me a question, I hear a yes or a no right away.

798
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:26,780
Also, that's why I think people who probably have the gift of prophecy like I do, that's

799
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:32,320
probably why we hear it right away, because we have that authority to hear that way.

800
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,420
If you are someone with an emotional authority, you're the person who... It's good to know

801
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:40,980
that because an emotional authority person is someone who they might immediately say

802
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:44,500
yes or no to an opportunity, but really they need to sleep on it because if they say yes

803
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:47,060
a couple of days later, they're the person who feels bad and goes, actually, you know

804
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:48,060
what?

805
00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:51,180
I've thought about it and that doesn't feel right to me.

806
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:54,900
That's an emotional authority, somebody who has to ride the wave of how their body feels

807
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:56,460
about it.

808
00:53:56,460 --> 00:54:02,020
Looking at your type, which is those five types like I said, and your authority, I think

809
00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:05,620
would be the biggest things to begin with.

810
00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:08,620
How long have you been following it?

811
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:09,980
How long have I been following it?

812
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:11,540
You teach it, right?

813
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:12,620
Yeah, I teach it.

814
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:16,420
This is almost embarrassing when I answer this question.

815
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:21,940
I have a genius IQ and EQ, so I can learn something really, really, really, really fast,

816
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:24,980
take it apart, put it back together, and then teach it really simply.

817
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:27,780
I've only learned gene keys.

818
00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:30,620
I learned gene keys about three years ago.

819
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:35,940
I learned human design about three and a half years ago, and I learned I Ching, well, I

820
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:38,100
Ching about three years ago.

821
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:41,460
I've since then written courses and stuff about it and teach it.

822
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:44,740
Well, that's enough time to develop a serious theory about it too.

823
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:46,780
It is, yeah.

824
00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:50,420
But I do, I feel bad because people are like, oh wow, how long have I been saying this?

825
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:54,340
I don't want to give people the ideal or the false belief that they're going to get into

826
00:54:54,340 --> 00:54:57,380
it, and all of a sudden they're going to be able to break it down, spit it out, and do

827
00:54:57,380 --> 00:54:58,380
that.

828
00:54:58,380 --> 00:55:00,820
I think it's a false idea that it's that fast.

829
00:55:00,820 --> 00:55:05,700
It normally is not that fast, and I don't want people to get overwhelmed.

830
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:11,900
It's fantastic information, really wonderful to have, and I think if you feel like you're

831
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:18,220
getting overwhelmed, just back up a little bit and use the importance and remember the

832
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:20,620
importance of integration.

833
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:27,620
Integration is so much more important than learning something new.

834
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:31,780
You teach it, right?

835
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:36,860
What is your course like that people work when they're working with you?

836
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:38,300
That I teach in two different ways.

837
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:42,520
I teach it with my holistic intuitive practitioner course, and so that's a five-month journey

838
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,460
with me and mentoring with me and people all over the world.

839
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:51,260
At the end of that course, they've learned the flow method, they've learned human design,

840
00:55:51,260 --> 00:55:56,980
gene keys, brain patterns, also homeopathy, all kinds of things, methylation, epigenetics.

841
00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:59,700
That's five months, and they'll learn it in there.

842
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:05,900
But also, I offer a monthly community membership where they access an online course, and they

843
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:10,540
learn all about human design and gene keys and brain patterns in there.

844
00:56:10,540 --> 00:56:15,700
That one's you just sign up for a month, see if you like it, get in there, do the information,

845
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:16,700
play in it.

846
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:22,100
I'm in there, and I do Zoom every Wednesday as mentorship and training in that monthly

847
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:23,100
community as well.

848
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:28,260
If you have any questions, I'm in there every Tuesday answering questions.

849
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:31,540
There's two different ways.

850
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:34,140
The flow method is your craft, right?

851
00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:37,940
What was that process like?

852
00:56:37,940 --> 00:56:45,100
You put the pieces together and said, here's a simpler way to do that.

853
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:48,860
Did you blend things and discover your own process?

854
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:55,660
Yeah, I got really frustrated because I had learned so many modalities, reflexology, craniosacral,

855
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:58,140
homeopathy in three different ways.

856
00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:05,420
I learned so many different things that when I was working with someone, it's like, where

857
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:06,420
do you begin?

858
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:08,940
Do you begin by looking... I mean, you do.

859
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:11,820
You do the intake form, and you're like, okay, this is their diet, this is their sleep, this

860
00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:13,780
is their grounding, this is their medication supplements.

861
00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:16,380
But from there, it's like, okay, well, where do we go from here?

862
00:57:16,380 --> 00:57:19,060
Because there's so many different ways to approach this, right?

863
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:23,140
That's when I was like, okay, I'm really, honestly, I'm frustrated.

864
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:24,940
I'm like, I'm really sick and tired of this.

865
00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:25,940
I want to know what they want.

866
00:57:25,940 --> 00:57:26,940
What do you actually want?

867
00:57:26,940 --> 00:57:37,020
If I could wave a magic wand and be like, okay, ta-da, what do you want to happen?

868
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:40,380
When I started asking that, I started realizing nobody knows what the heck they want.

869
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:44,380
I was like, wow, this is really a problem.

870
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:46,620
I was at the same time that I was learning about brain patterns.

871
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:49,940
I was like, if they don't even know how to say what they want, they're not going to be

872
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:53,220
able to create the brain patterns to get and achieve what they want.

873
00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:57,340
Do you think that's because they're in survival state?

874
00:57:57,340 --> 00:58:02,900
I think it's because not necessarily survival state.

875
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:08,860
I think it's that it seems so foreign to us as humans that it could be this easy.

876
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:15,340
Well, I think one of the periods we can't reproduce in our life is our childhood.

877
00:58:15,340 --> 00:58:19,780
You can't go through that process where you have no prefrontal cortex for seven years.

878
00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:23,420
It's like that scripting that happens to us is pure.

879
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:25,500
We're pure emotions.

880
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:28,200
We're not any thought processes.

881
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,220
I'm watching my grandson grow up in front of me and I realize that I have a massive

882
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:33,220
influence on him.

883
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:38,340
I pour love into him and he responds because it's positive.

884
00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:44,300
I think we don't have that luxury as adults to go have that same experience.

885
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:47,860
It's a working through process of learning how to face fear.

886
00:58:47,860 --> 00:58:53,940
Dr. Hawkins always says, the beginning of positive is always courage.

887
00:58:53,940 --> 00:58:59,580
Courage is really love for the self.

888
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:04,780
This is worth, your goal idea, I love that because you're giving people a positive thought

889
00:59:04,780 --> 00:59:09,260
to focus on and go after and manifest.

890
00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:10,260
Guess what?

891
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:13,820
You can manifest that all day long, this idea that is your goal.

892
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:20,720
Well, then everything that you're doing is after that.

893
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,580
You had used a term of confirmation bias earlier.

894
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:28,860
It might have been before we began recording, but confirmation bias is so true.

895
00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:31,860
You go looking for a vehicle and you're like, I'm going to get a red Jeep.

896
00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:35,340
Then you get there and you're like, I really love this yellow minivan.

897
00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:38,900
Everywhere you go, you're not going to notice a minivan or a yellow vehicle or a yellow

898
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:39,900
minivan.

899
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:40,900
That's a confirmation bias.

900
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,900
They were all there before, but now you're like, oh my gosh, look where I go.

901
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,380
I just noticed the same.

902
00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:47,740
Then that's confirmation bias.

903
00:59:47,740 --> 00:59:52,580
We have confirmation bias, whether it be us confirming the bias of our symptoms, which

904
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:53,580
are valid.

905
00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:54,580
They're there.

906
00:59:54,580 --> 00:59:55,580
Those cars were always there.

907
00:59:55,580 --> 00:59:57,220
We're just noticing them now.

908
00:59:57,220 --> 01:00:00,180
The symptoms may have been there and they might be real, but now we're super noticing

909
01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:04,940
them and we're supporting it and it's a root system that we're watering versus let's have

910
01:00:04,940 --> 01:00:08,540
a confirmation bias and a root system that we're watering of something positive that

911
01:00:08,540 --> 01:00:14,300
we actually do want to pour energy into and support.

912
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:21,460
It puts the energy and the focus on what we want to experience versus what we're trying

913
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:24,020
to suppress.

914
01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:27,820
Then all the other things from Eastern and Western medicine really at that point just

915
01:00:27,820 --> 01:00:30,340
become support, which is what they should be.

916
01:00:30,340 --> 01:00:34,220
They're almost like, I don't want to use the word band-aids, but they're almost like band-aids

917
01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:39,140
and support, but it gives us and puts us back into the authority of what we're actually

918
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:41,700
working towards.

919
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:46,500
It's not survival state as much as it may be just, I don't want anything bad to happen

920
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:48,580
to me, which is a defensive posture.

921
01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:50,420
It's not going after anything.

922
01:00:50,420 --> 01:00:54,580
It's like, okay world, I've had enough.

923
01:00:54,580 --> 01:00:56,500
I literally do just want to survive.

924
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:01,380
If I can enjoy a beer at night, I'm happy.

925
01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:06,500
They live in a defensive state, which is missing out.

926
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:13,620
I think that's what I love about your concept is it puts a focus on something positive that

927
01:01:13,620 --> 01:01:15,060
they decide.

928
01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:17,980
It's not decided for them.

929
01:01:17,980 --> 01:01:21,780
They have to earn and take responsibility for it because there's tremendous value in

930
01:01:21,780 --> 01:01:25,300
being responsible for yourself in creating that life.

931
01:01:25,300 --> 01:01:30,300
Yeah, Hippocrates is quoted as saying, ask what someone is willing to give up before

932
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,060
you're willing to help heal him.

933
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:36,660
I don't know that Hippocrates really said it or not, but it is very true that even when

934
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:42,660
I've worked with people over the years, I've worked with a lot of communities and people

935
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:48,700
over the years and there are times where I have just donated appointment times or donated

936
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:50,420
courses or whatever.

937
01:01:50,420 --> 01:01:54,300
Every single time that that's happened, there was not an energy exchange for them to feel

938
01:01:54,300 --> 01:02:01,220
connected to that and ownership of it.

939
01:02:01,220 --> 01:02:05,860
Because they don't feel connected and ownership of it, they find one reason or another where

940
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:10,180
even if I worked on them and they were better, it doesn't hold the same way.

941
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:12,340
It's not the same energy exchange.

942
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:13,340
It just isn't.

943
01:02:13,340 --> 01:02:18,180
Now, I will say that I have had appointments with people where they have been through the

944
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:20,140
ringer by the time that they see me.

945
01:02:20,140 --> 01:02:21,940
They've already had that energy exchange.

946
01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:24,020
They've already had that ownership.

947
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:25,020
They really have.

948
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:28,340
Or they really have put in the time, the money, whatever it may be.

949
01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:31,740
But the people who just were like, yeah, my friend told me about what you do and I can't

950
01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:33,580
and she bought it for me.

951
01:02:33,580 --> 01:02:35,300
That's not the same.

952
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:38,660
It's never the same.

953
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:40,780
I love your idea of energy exchange.

954
01:02:40,780 --> 01:02:43,100
I've never heard it put exactly like that.

955
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:47,900
But what came up for me is Jesus said, your faith has healed you.

956
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:53,980
I think it's the recognition of the healed one recognizing their own energy that's already

957
01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:54,980
there.

958
01:02:54,980 --> 01:03:01,740
I love that you brought up that concept and I don't know why, but it makes me tear up.

959
01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:05,420
Actually, I know why it makes me tear up now that I take a second to think about it.

960
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:14,820
There are so many people that I have worked with who have autistic children who were non-verbal.

961
01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:21,620
But when I work with an autistic child, with biofeedback, I can access their brain patterns

962
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:23,660
and their thoughts.

963
01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:31,620
One was so clear that I told the mom, hey, as a follow-up, you need to get her paints

964
01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:32,740
and watercolors.

965
01:03:32,740 --> 01:03:33,740
She really wants to do that.

966
01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:36,660
The mother started crying and she said, how did you know that?

967
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:38,660
I said, well, I do biofeedback.

968
01:03:38,660 --> 01:03:40,460
I can hear it from her body.

969
01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:42,340
I can just tell.

970
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:51,380
She said, nobody else knows that she used to paint and she hasn't done that in years.

971
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:55,940
The reason I bring that up is because when you said the energy exchange, I remember in

972
01:03:55,940 --> 01:04:01,740
learning this journey of helping people along the way.

973
01:04:01,740 --> 01:04:05,100
I remember coming from the church hearing, well, if they were just saved, if they were

974
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,140
just saved, if they just prayed about it.

975
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:10,460
Yet again and again when I searched scripture, it was your faith has made you well, not your

976
01:04:10,460 --> 01:04:12,460
belief in me, your faith.

977
01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:15,940
Again, I'm a bio-believing Christian, but I'm not here to tell you what to believe in.

978
01:04:15,940 --> 01:04:17,100
But it was the faith.

979
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:18,220
It wasn't the faith in him.

980
01:04:18,220 --> 01:04:22,220
It was the faith that they are healed.

981
01:04:22,220 --> 01:04:26,100
I was like, man, when I started seeing that more and more and spending time with God,

982
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:27,420
I'm like, you're right again and again.

983
01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:33,420
Then to push it even further, there were times where I had nonverbal autistic children or

984
01:04:33,420 --> 01:04:36,900
someone who wanted me to work on a loved one.

985
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:43,300
They said, well, it work even if they're not here in the appointment time.

986
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:48,100
I said, do you remember the story of the centurion?

987
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:51,660
The centurion came to Jesus and he was pleading for his daughter.

988
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:54,260
Jesus said, go home, your daughter's well.

989
01:04:54,260 --> 01:04:55,580
The daughter wasn't able to speak.

990
01:04:55,580 --> 01:04:57,860
The daughter wasn't able to send him.

991
01:04:57,860 --> 01:04:59,140
Lazarus wasn't able to speak.

992
01:04:59,140 --> 01:05:02,260
Lazarus wasn't able to have faith and cry out.

993
01:05:02,260 --> 01:05:04,060
It was the interceding.

994
01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:08,980
Even though there's scripturally there's one mediator between God and man, but there

995
01:05:08,980 --> 01:05:10,340
is an interceding.

996
01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:11,340
Even Moses acted like that.

997
01:05:11,340 --> 01:05:15,180
We're supposed to be interceding for each other in faith, in prayer.

998
01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:19,460
That interceding is an energy exchange and we are able to do that, that interceding,

999
01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:23,980
whether it be someone that is our child who has autism or whether it be us caring for

1000
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:29,820
someone else, we are able to have that interceding and that same energy exchange in that state

1001
01:05:29,820 --> 01:05:36,820
where people are able to be made well.

1002
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:40,980
What is your hope for this next year?

1003
01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:45,700
You work with people, but what's your big goal here?

1004
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:47,140
My big goal.

1005
01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:49,820
Just like what's your thing in your first step?

1006
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:52,820
What is that thing for you coming up?

1007
01:05:52,820 --> 01:05:57,700
I put years into creating something that's called a 30 day transformation program where

1008
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:05,180
exhausted mothers can retrain their children on how to eat even if they're toddlers.

1009
01:06:05,180 --> 01:06:10,420
It has PDFs on teaching toddlers how to recognize and regulate their nervous system to create

1010
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:12,740
a new nervous system baseline.

1011
01:06:12,740 --> 01:06:17,220
This future generations, even though mom's exhausted, she doesn't have to figure it

1012
01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:18,220
all out.

1013
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:19,220
She doesn't have to study the brain.

1014
01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:20,220
She doesn't have to do anything.

1015
01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:23,980
She can literally post up PDFs and this next generation is more resilient with the renewing

1016
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:25,700
of the mind.

1017
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:32,100
That has been my heart's desire is to truly equip these future generations.

1018
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:38,940
My hope is to reach 21,000, I don't know why that number, but 21,000 people getting that

1019
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:41,020
in the next six months.

1020
01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:46,500
My other hope is to have another 100 holistic and tutor practitioners sign up to go out

1021
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:47,500
into the world.

1022
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:55,220
Those are my two hopes because for every practitioner that goes out into the world, the testimonies

1023
01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:58,300
that come back from their work is just phenomenal.

1024
01:06:58,300 --> 01:06:59,300
It's phenomenal.

1025
01:06:59,300 --> 01:07:00,300
Yeah.

1026
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:01,300
It's beautiful.

1027
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:07,340
Do you think it's possible just from your sense of whatever's happening here in your

1028
01:07:07,340 --> 01:07:18,460
third eye, it's possible that there's a tipping point of healing culturally?

1029
01:07:18,460 --> 01:07:19,780
Because here's what I see happening.

1030
01:07:19,780 --> 01:07:25,900
I see the healing concept accelerating dramatically.

1031
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:28,740
Coaching is the fastest growing business on the internet.

1032
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:34,660
It's yeah, I don't think it's necessarily, I think it would depend on what your thought

1033
01:07:34,660 --> 01:07:36,660
process is on is on a tipping point.

1034
01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:40,420
I believe that everything happens in an ebb and a flow.

1035
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:45,300
I believe if we're looking at the macro and micro, we're also looking at the landscape

1036
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:52,500
of what's happening in the world.

1037
01:07:52,500 --> 01:07:55,020
My answer would be about 15 minutes.

1038
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:57,260
I won't delve into all of it right now.

1039
01:07:57,260 --> 01:08:01,620
Sorry, but it truly in the most summarized way would be about 15 minutes.

1040
01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:11,940
I would say that we go into different versions of enlightenment and none are greater or lesser

1041
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:13,220
than the ones previous.

1042
01:08:13,220 --> 01:08:16,660
They're just different expressions of it is what I would say.

1043
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:21,660
I think personally, I think when Jesus said, I go to my father's house to prepare a place

1044
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:25,180
for you in my father's house, our many mansions, he was talking about dimensions because even

1045
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:28,980
scientifically we know that we're interdimensional creatures and beings.

1046
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:32,700
I believe in every dimension, it's not a different place.

1047
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:34,700
Time doesn't exist scientifically.

1048
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:41,980
I believe it's energy being experienced and I think every time energy is experienced,

1049
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:49,460
it experiences itself to a point that it can't experience very many more variables and then

1050
01:08:49,460 --> 01:08:51,180
it begins again.

1051
01:08:51,180 --> 01:08:53,180
That's the best way I can summarize that.

1052
01:08:53,180 --> 01:09:00,660
I think that's a great answer is probably nearing that because I know that telepathy

1053
01:09:00,660 --> 01:09:13,020
is becoming easier to access, which is really just quantum entanglement.

1054
01:09:13,020 --> 01:09:18,900
We're at that tipping point of being entangled and once we're entangled to that extent, we're

1055
01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:21,380
at the tipping point of beginning again.

1056
01:09:21,380 --> 01:09:25,820
Yeah, because then you can experience every experience all simultaneously at once as everybody.

1057
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:27,660
You'd have to be at the tipping point.

1058
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:29,140
Does all that make sense?

1059
01:09:29,140 --> 01:09:30,140
Sorry.

1060
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:31,140
It's a great question.

1061
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:35,460
Well, Alan Watts said it's all just a dream God is having to amuse himself or to amuse

1062
01:09:35,460 --> 01:09:39,220
oneself.

1063
01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:41,780
The multiverse is God's every perspective.

1064
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:42,780
It's how God...

1065
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:43,780
There were years ago, yeah.

1066
01:09:43,780 --> 01:09:49,660
I create really, really, really extreme amount of DMT naturally and found that out from my

1067
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:51,180
brain scans years ago.

1068
01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:53,140
I've always been able to...

1069
01:09:53,140 --> 01:09:57,260
What people have to go through a journey with ayahuasca to do, I can do naturally, just

1070
01:09:57,260 --> 01:09:59,340
naturally.

1071
01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:07,580
Years ago, I remember just being in prayer and I could see that humans are like the synaptic

1072
01:10:07,580 --> 01:10:14,900
connections and depending on how complex that human's beliefs are, their experiences are,

1073
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:19,900
it's almost like a neural pathway in the universe that's actually like God's brain.

1074
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:25,900
Each of us are like a thought, like we're a synaptic connection or neural pathway.

1075
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:27,500
I thought, wow, that was so cool.

1076
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:37,740
I remember having that realization that we are his electrical synaptic connections.

1077
01:10:37,740 --> 01:10:42,020
I don't know how to explain it because it's like you can see it, but you can't put it

1078
01:10:42,020 --> 01:10:43,980
into words.

1079
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:49,900
I think Jesus and every great teacher had that challenge too, that this very physical

1080
01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:52,260
slowed down reality equals MC squared.

1081
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:53,380
Energy slowdown becomes matter.

1082
01:10:53,380 --> 01:11:00,300
This slowed down reality is hard to articulate what makes the slowed down reality because

1083
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:03,380
it's much faster.

1084
01:11:03,380 --> 01:11:07,260
It's not slowed down, so it's harder to articulate.

1085
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:13,380
You're talking about the concept of realizing, hey, we're all source.

1086
01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:17,800
That was a very healing place for me, especially in regards to death.

1087
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:23,380
That took away the sting of death because I realized, oh, I'm not … Jonathan is my

1088
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:30,140
avatar, but I'm absorbed into source and I'm not going to die.

1089
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:37,980
That was actually a huge shift for me to realize, okay, there's more than death.

1090
01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:40,980
When I was growing up, I don't know if you ever experienced this, growing up, I was so

1091
01:11:40,980 --> 01:11:43,580
worried that I was going to go to hell.

1092
01:11:43,580 --> 01:11:47,500
You know what's funny is I never had that experience.

1093
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:48,740
I never did.

1094
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:50,500
You saved yourself a lot of trauma.

1095
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:55,500
I actually think hell is probably the most traumatizing thing the church does.

1096
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:57,500
I think so.

1097
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:03,180
Yeah, I had a pastor one time who is preaching about hell and at that time my brain did the

1098
01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:06,060
thing it does with high DMT where I could just see something.

1099
01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:09,980
At that time, whether you want to call it God revealed to me, whatever your belief system

1100
01:12:09,980 --> 01:12:15,860
is, I say it to my understanding, God revealed to me, hell is the illusion of separation

1101
01:12:15,860 --> 01:12:20,380
from him and that's why it's burning because scientifically …

1102
01:12:20,380 --> 01:12:22,420
He's trying to tell you.

1103
01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:24,620
Yeah, scientifically, there's no such thing as cold.

1104
01:12:24,620 --> 01:12:26,740
There's only absence of heat.

1105
01:12:26,740 --> 01:12:28,100
There's no such thing as darkness.

1106
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:30,740
There's only absence of light, scientifically.

1107
01:12:30,740 --> 01:12:34,740
Just like there's no such thing as actual darkness and wickedness, there's absence

1108
01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:37,380
of God's presence.

1109
01:12:37,380 --> 01:12:40,340
People say, well, why is there darkness and wickedness?

1110
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:41,340
Why does God let it?

1111
01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:42,340
It's where he's not.

1112
01:12:42,340 --> 01:12:44,460
It's the absence of God's presence.

1113
01:12:44,460 --> 01:12:45,460
There's no thing.

1114
01:12:45,460 --> 01:12:48,820
That's the hard part of the duality.

1115
01:12:48,820 --> 01:12:51,780
You have to embrace the idea.

1116
01:12:51,780 --> 01:12:54,220
Here's what I think the Garden of Eden is.

1117
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:59,340
Basically, you have two major dualities, but the one that's really going to screw with

1118
01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:07,860
you is this tree and you have a judgment of good because all Genesis 1 is, is you're

1119
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:10,140
good, you're good, you're good, you're good, you're good seven times and then they

1120
01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:13,860
get to the tree of knowledge which asks the question, are you good?

1121
01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:19,580
They can choose evil, which is the absence of judgment of good or they can choose good

1122
01:13:19,580 --> 01:13:25,380
and that's what God is trying to say is the duality has both, this one always produces

1123
01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:26,380
life.

1124
01:13:26,380 --> 01:13:33,740
It's literally that simple in terms of changing those neural pathways and scripts in our body

1125
01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:41,100
is all we have to do is consistently shift our body from I'm not good to I am good.

1126
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:42,100
That's Christ consciousness.

1127
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:50,060
If you look at, I remember I did have a fear growing up, now that you're saying that.

1128
01:13:50,060 --> 01:13:54,380
I had a fear of blasphemy and I didn't want to dishonor him.

1129
01:13:54,380 --> 01:14:00,420
It wasn't because I feared going to hell, it's because I feared, I don't know how to

1130
01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:04,340
explain this, but it's almost like little me feared hurting his heart.

1131
01:14:04,340 --> 01:14:09,660
I just felt like you're so good God and I just have, I always knew that.

1132
01:14:09,660 --> 01:14:13,580
Actually anybody who watches this, if you go back in the video, I didn't start going

1133
01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:19,420
to church until I was older, but my dad, I remember telling me that I was asking about

1134
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:22,260
who was Jesus when I was three and I'd never been to church in my life.

1135
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:24,780
It's like I just always knew.

1136
01:14:24,780 --> 01:14:27,780
And that's great.

1137
01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:28,780
But I just always knew.

1138
01:14:28,780 --> 01:14:33,500
So I didn't want to, I didn't blaspheme his name, but his one name that stands true throughout

1139
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:37,060
all of scripture again and again and again, no matter what your belief system is, is I

1140
01:14:37,060 --> 01:14:38,060
am.

1141
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:40,580
You've been saying, who do I say sends me?

1142
01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:41,580
I am.

1143
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:42,580
Tell them I am.

1144
01:14:42,580 --> 01:14:45,420
And so when we're saying I am, and then you fill it in with something negative, you're

1145
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:49,060
blaspheming the name of God and you're one with God.

1146
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:54,140
You're literally blaspheming God.

1147
01:14:54,140 --> 01:14:58,060
And then through confirmation bias, you actually produce that.

1148
01:14:58,060 --> 01:14:59,060
You know?

1149
01:14:59,060 --> 01:15:02,300
And that's how we produce evil, which doesn't exist.

1150
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:05,300
Yeah.

1151
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:09,600
If you look up the definition of sin in the Bible, it's like a missing of the mark.

1152
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:14,460
That's one of the definitions for it is it's something that's an off.

1153
01:15:14,460 --> 01:15:19,900
But we needed Jesus to remind us that the rules of the game started with grace.

1154
01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:24,300
And I think we've really missed out on that grace over the last 2000 years.

1155
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:26,420
And people are beginning to wake up.

1156
01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:31,980
They're kind of letting go of a lot of the old religiosity.

1157
01:15:31,980 --> 01:15:36,780
And I see a lot of people really coming back to, oh, there's a lot of wisdom in what Jesus

1158
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:37,780
is saying.

1159
01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:42,260
And it kind of now matches with what science is saying.

1160
01:15:42,260 --> 01:15:48,540
So I just have this, like you say, it's almost like a feeling.

1161
01:15:48,540 --> 01:15:50,260
I have that a lot too.

1162
01:15:50,260 --> 01:15:52,480
And I just have learned more.

1163
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:53,480
Just listen to them.

1164
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:54,540
Don't try and judge them.

1165
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:56,620
Just listen to them.

1166
01:15:56,620 --> 01:16:04,100
And I feel like we're something major emerging, something major is emerging in regards to

1167
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:05,100
healing.

1168
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:10,140
There's something and it's I don't I think it's close.

1169
01:16:10,140 --> 01:16:11,140
I don't know.

1170
01:16:11,140 --> 01:16:14,420
I see people being interested in their healing.

1171
01:16:14,420 --> 01:16:23,340
And that's why I invited you on is I want to encourage people to listen to her program.

1172
01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:31,260
It's probably one of the closest that I could probably validate or just suggest because

1173
01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:34,860
I love the simple methodology.

1174
01:16:34,860 --> 01:16:35,860
That's the brilliant.

1175
01:16:35,860 --> 01:16:38,100
It's consistent with science.

1176
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:43,340
It's people establish their own goal and they do their own work.

1177
01:16:43,340 --> 01:16:44,900
So you have no barriers.

1178
01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:47,900
And that is beautiful simplicity to me.

1179
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,420
Jen, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on.

1180
01:16:51,420 --> 01:16:52,420
Thank you so much.

1181
01:16:52,420 --> 01:16:54,820
I appreciate it so much.

1182
01:16:54,820 --> 01:16:55,820
Absolutely.

1183
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:58,780
So to all of our guests, it's Thursday here.

1184
01:16:58,780 --> 01:17:02,500
Rich, if you're out there, hope it went well today.

1185
01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:04,940
And to all of our listeners, please comment, review.

1186
01:17:04,940 --> 01:17:12,020
We'd love to have you follow us on Instagram and have an amazing weekend, everybody.

1187
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:40,780
Thanks, love.