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I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.

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But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to

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be human in today's world.

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All right, let's get started.

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Welcome to Living in the Matrix everyone.

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I'm Jonathan.

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This is my co-host Rich.

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Say hello, Rich.

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Hey everybody.

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Hope everybody's having a great Thursday near the end of the week and I believe this is

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our third actual podcast guest this week, believe it or not.

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And Brianna, we're absolutely thrilled to have you today.

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Welcome.

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Thank you, Rich.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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So Brianna, I was scrolling through my Instagram and I get a lot of spiritual people in my

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My feed is dialed for me and I come across a lot of people who think a lot like I do.

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And I saw a video where you talked about a concept of tender revolution.

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Like those are two dichotomous words.

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Help me unpack what you, what's the big idea there?

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Thanks, Jonathan.

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So I'll rewind a little bit and then we'll get up to present day and then we'll probably

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move forward together.

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So we're just going to unpack it.

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So my background, I was born and raised in Southern California.

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I'm the oldest of four of a farming family and grew up resource poor and deep in the

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evangelical born again, Christian Republican Zionist movement.

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Just good old Anaheim Christian revival, Harvest Crusade, Gray Glory, the whole thing, the whole

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Joel Austin, purity culture.

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I was right up there with the Jesus freaks.

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I'm jars of clay generation.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So you're a creed, right?

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Yeah, totally.

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I was into like the Christian scar movement, got really into like the Jesus freak movement

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and really got into some straight edge movement.

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And from that actually found anarchy, which is a funny thing to kind of slide through

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and not to overpass too many things.

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But there was a big trauma that happened where our land was revoked in Southern California.

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So in California, there's a lot of farm politics.

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If your land lays fallow for four years, the state can legally revoke it at what they determined

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to be market price.

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That happened to my family.

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So at 15 years old, I witnessed due to climate crisis, due to water shortages and also some

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poor policies, including NAFTA, the North America Free Trade Agreement, which was passed

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by Bill Clinton, a Democrat, which destroyed a lot of our small and medium sized farmers

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all over the nation, including in Southern California.

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I watched my dad spin into a depression, an incredible loss of this land and the understanding

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of people to land started to land for me in a deeper way.

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My dad, while Christian, would still speak to the plants, sing to the plants, connect

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in his poetry to the cycles of life.

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And my dad is a mystic in a lot of ways and really taught that the experience of God or

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spirit is a physical experience.

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It's not a mental experience.

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It's not a concept.

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It is felt in our bodies through our minds, which is never disconnected from our body.

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It is a oneness experience and it's an overwhelming sense of love that cannot be explained.

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I learned that from the Christian church, but then have relearned it again and again

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and again in other ways that are not as exclusive and as dogmatic.

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On my journey, I always held to this understanding that there are systems at play that control

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Then I got into spiritual work and yoga and personal development and went down the landmark

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path and went down the ayahuasca path.

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Grateful to all of my teachers and lineages, Shuar, Secopi, specifically in Ecuador, that

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helped initiate my ayahuasca path when I was 23 years old and been walking this path for

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16 years now.

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And this journey of coming deep into my own healing, healing my body, disordered eating,

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healing my sense of belonging, continually healing my sense of belonging.

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And then in my late 20s, I returned to finish my master's degree in peace education with

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the United Nations University for Peace.

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And I've been straddling these worlds of the conversation of systems of oppression, collective

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liberation, talking about imperialism, white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy as harmful,

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systemic.

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They're made into the systems and also the need for personal healing, how we each as

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individuals are infinite love.

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We are all inherently connected.

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We are all one human family.

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But the systems we've created on the planet puts white, rich, middle-aged men at the seat

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of most decision tables, not all, but the most.

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to own 80% of our needed natural resources feels wildly out of balance with what I know

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to be true from my personal healing path, which is all beings are one being.

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Are integrated.

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Your care, your health is linked to mine.

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Your safety, your freedom, your ability to be in your erotic sensuality, your deep masculine

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presence, all of that is connected to me too.

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Our freedom is inherently connected.

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So the systems of nations, the systems of solo economies, the systems of individualism

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that have been established over the past 4,000 years with the rise of agricultural based

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empire, we have siphoned off our connection to the most powerful force, which is mother

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earth and love through colonization, through empire expansion, and taking that spiritual

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connection to mother earth and channeling it into religions that are then controlled

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by the government and the government also controlled by the religious institutions.

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very easily controlled.

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So it's that personal healing journey where I see people get stuck in the matrix is in

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one of two things.

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I'm going to stay numb.

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It's allowed to feel.

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He's got the steak.

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He gets plugged back in.

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He's got his wine.

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He's got a cigar.

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He's already, um, absolutely betrayed everybody.

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And he's like, put me back in, make me somebody famous.

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And he's just, he didn't get it.

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So he got that his contribution to the tender revolution may or may not be felt by him in

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this lifetime.

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So what's the point?

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So there's this journey of like not wanting to wake up or this journey of waking up and

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then not fully waking up.

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sense of like all beings are one being, but the translating of that into our daily actions,

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the way we spend our money, who we support online, how we spend our tax dollars, the

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formation of our governments, the formation of education systems hasn't quite translated

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over yet.

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And so for me, the word tender revolution has come from this heroes, gamos or masculine,

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feminine dance.

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Like for me, the spiritual journey is that feminine, the external structural is the masculine

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and we don't need to destroy one or the other, but there wants to be a joining of the two.

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How does our personal journey affect collective liberation?

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If we as, especially as white people are not standing for black lives matter, but we're

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drinking ayahuasca in the jungle, that to me is a wild contradiction that when we have

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that experience of all beings are one being, when we have that physical experience and

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we see systems of oppression at hand and we see a system that has been in place for hundreds

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of years that is systematically murdering people in our own backyard and we don't say

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anything about it.

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That is a disconnect and it is a process just like waking up spiritually as a process.

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That spiritual waking doesn't happen overnight.

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Doesn't happen from one Instagram post.

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Doesn't happen from one podcast.

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It takes going in again and again, it takes yoga.

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Oh, I'm here to take responsibility for myself.

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The next level of awakening is I am also here to contribute my gifts to those who are being

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most oppressed by the systems of oppression right now.

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That is where the Bodhisattvas vow that all beings are one being.

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I'm going to come back until all beings are freed from suffering.

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There's that personal responsibility piece and then there's the waters that we swim in

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of collective liberation and Tender Revolution isn't denying either side of that.

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It's saying there is a personal responsibility we each get to take.

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There's also systems at play that me as a singular person, you as singular people can't

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I intuitively feel, I don't know, but I feel that when it comes from that personal healing

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place of like we do want a better world for everyone, we do.

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collective we demand that our systems reflect that.

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That's a tender revolution.

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It's coming to the point in personal healing where we can't not feel the beauty of this

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planet and we can't not feel the needless brutality that exists because human beings

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are stuck in their trauma patterns and then playing that out in the world for them as

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That was a great intro to the idea.

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I want to unpack it a little bit and start out a little earlier in your journey.

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Did you feel God's love?

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When did you start going to church?

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In utero.

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My parents were in church.

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You were a full lifelong person.

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Lifelonger.

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I think my mom probably went before that.

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I grew up in the church too.

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I've listened to my own story and I have always felt a deep connection to what I believe

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is source that I found through Jesus that was very real.

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I've never felt, even when I broke up with Jesus, I never felt disconnected from that

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love, right?

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Whether I called it Jesus or sometimes I called it ayahuasca or sometimes I've called it

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the goddess.

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There is no name to name this name.

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Once we name it, it is no longer the Yahweh, the ineffable.

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I've always felt it and continue to feel it.

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that I find very problematic, but at its core, I'm so grateful for the seeds that were planted

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by my parents and even by the church speaking in tongues as a young girl, opening up to

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light language when I'm not even speaking English yet.

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Okay, yeah, let's get our kids moving that energy.

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There was a lot that I received from that that feels like ancient key codes that have

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made it through the lineage even with as much politicization and control and domination

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that Christianity and Catholicism by extension have exhibited to individuals and entire cultures.

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Very problematic.

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There is a core within every religion, I believe that is true.

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There is a core prayer connection message and I definitely felt that in my Christian

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I read the Bhagavad Gita recently and the guy who narrates it or translates it alludes

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to Dionysus the Arapagite and a variety of the mystics.

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And when you think about source and there's a lot of Hindu priests, a lot of Catholic

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priests who have syncretized Hinduism and it's really at the end of the day, we're

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starting to realize that whether it's atheism or religion, if you're an atheist but you

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believe in the quantum field and eventually go down to the unified field, which is source,

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which is consciousness, then we're all going to be starting to agree on the same thing.

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You call it whatever you want to, it's the same thing.

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That is the place where we would love to see a migration.

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And I think you're talking about the end of the world recently.

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You actually I don't think I've posted a while on Instagram, but one of your posts from a

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while back dealt with like are we near the end of the world?

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And I think one of the things that we're seeing a shift in is there's this groaning that you

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see in the book of Romans is creation is groaning.

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People are feeling like on a precipice and it is not just a mental thing.

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It is a physical thing.

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Tell our audience what you feel, what you've experienced and how perhaps we can learn through

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this, this feeling that's happening right now.

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And there's that kind of existential feeling.

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Very physically, I am evacuated from my home right now.

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I live near Big Bear, California.

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We were evacuated on Sunday due to wildfires, wildfires.

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Thirty seven thousand acres have been completely scorched.

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There are over three hundred wildfires in California right now.

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Eighty three percent of them were started by arson.

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Five two thousand pound bombs that are dropped in Gaza, these are dropped about every ten

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firefighting for an entire week.

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That's a natural thing that happens.

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There's the issue of stewardship with the land.

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If the indigenous, the Tongva, Gabrielino, the Yuhavietam, the indigenous of the land

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where I'm from, if they were allowed to do wildfire, like controlled burns in the spring

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or the firefighters controlled burns in the spring, as we used to steward the land before

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empire, we stewarded the land.

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We were stewards of the land and animals, as it even says in Genesis, right?

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You're to be stewards, hub husbands of the land, husbands of these animals.

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There was a time when we as human beings had a more synchronized relationship with cycles

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in the land.

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If we were doing burns, there wouldn't be as much brush to catch in this way combined

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with the hottest week of the year that we've ever seen in human history consecutively,

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combined with the change of winds due to climate shifting and other places in the world that

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are experiencing floods, which off casts the entire system.

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So we're seeing this both individual, the personal healing that would need to take place

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for someone who thinks that arson is a good idea.

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It's a personal healing journey.

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We're seeing the need for collective addressing of what mental health actually is, an emotional

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and spiritual cry of human beings, right?

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Suicide, addiction, arson.

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I consider all of these as like traumatic systems, traumatic responses of personal healing

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that has not been tended to.

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And then a system at play that doesn't address them, but then makes them criminals.

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These are people who are responding to trauma, not to say that this is okay and not to say

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that arson, whatever, but to understand that this is a system and an individual piece.

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And this is one piece of Southern California.

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This is happening around the world.

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So this angst that we're feeling is literally, I'm a climate crisis refugee right now.

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That's part of it, right?

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We were watching live genocide for 11 months.

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This is the most televised genocide on Palestine that we have ever seen in our lifetime.

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Daily, I've seen children blown up.

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Daily, I've seen mothers wailing over their children.

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Daily, I'm reporting on 6,000.

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Now 9,000, 12,000 Palestinian prisoners.

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78% of them are under the age of 15.

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Are you having access to this because of your United Nations experience?

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I mean, most people don't see this.

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Obviously, you know this.

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I mean, it's all a bloody facade about everything that the mass media doesn't want you to see,

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you won't see, right?

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You've got to find it through other channels.

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How are you actually getting more visibility?

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Because we're not seeing this on our normal news feeds here and there.

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Yeah.

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And like Jonathan said so well, so many of our news feeds are very curated to what it

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is that we're interested in, right?

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So my work has led me into this conversation.

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I've got healers in my space, but I've also got people who are deep activists who are

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on the ground.

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I have a friend who's in the West Bank.

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I have two students who are in Jerusalem who are both Palestinian living in Jerusalem,

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probably one of the more dangerous situations for them to be in other than in Gaza itself

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and the personal connections that I've had.

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And then from there, following accounts of people who are on the ground and following

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media sources that for the past 15 years, 20 years now since I was 18, that I've trusted

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with on the ground accurate reporting and knowing that all beings are one being and

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standing in that place also of, and colonization is wrong.

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We're not meant to take land from each other.

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We're not meant to settle land in any way.

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We're meant to learn how to belong to the earth.

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And so it's a question, yes, of states and things like that, but even deeper into the

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feeling it's like, we know as human beings, we're not supposed to be doing this.

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And so whether someone is in direct fire of genocide, witnessing it in Congo, Ethiopia,

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Sudan, Palestine, the war in Ukraine, we're talking about invasions in West Papua, New

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Guinea, the calls in Puerto Rico to become their own country.

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And Hawaii is asking for their country to be given back to them and the genocide of

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the indigenous people that happened there to be acknowledged by America.

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People are talking about it.

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It's being put out into our energy field.

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So we're going to feel it even if we're not seeing it on Instagram.

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And it's very easy to look at one account, Queen of Palestine and her on the ground experience

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of what it's meant to be a Palestinian there for the past 30 years of her life.

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And not just these past 11 months, but 76 years of illegal settler occupation in this

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land and a people who feel so confused and frustrated that they've been protecting the

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Holy Land for thousands of years.

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And these are Jews, these are Christians, these are Muslims who are considered Palestinian

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who are being identified and annihilated.

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And so I think the feeling, it can be overwhelming, I think, for people who haven't started to,

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like the matrix is a personal programming within ourselves that has us believe that

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we are not worthy.

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The larger matrix of the world has us believe that we have to rely on the systems of military

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industrial complex, specifically our dependency on fossil fuels.

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This is all about that deeper conversation.

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The Wachowski brothers got it at the beginning because you've got Morpheus who knows that

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Neo has to be the answer.

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One thing's got to give, right?

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We're doing the same thing the same way, expecting a different outcome.

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And the other guy wants all the ships to be ready.

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So even in the microcosm of the movie, that's being played out exactly as you say, here's

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our solution.

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Let's keep doing it this way.

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And you're absolutely right.

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This is why we need source.

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We need the divine.

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We need, call it the divine feminine, if you would, to come in.

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And finally, it's been pushed aside for so long to make this change.

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We want it to come from within, but it also has to be extant too.

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In my mind, Neo had, he figured it out ultimately, but he needed a catalyst.

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He needed training.

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He needed help.

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I mean, he finally got it.

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And yeah, it was him.

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He was the one.

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But I think we need something external to really light the fire to get things going.

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And it's going to have to be a cosmic movement in my mind.

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I don't, unless we all do ayahuasca and meditate together and find what breath work, I don't

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know if that's going to happen.

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Cause I know that could be a solution, right?

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And in a, in a very grassroots way.

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Well, I think there we're at a, at a, we've never experienced a world like we have today.

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There's AI on top of a massive deconstruction movement.

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That's like huge now.

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People are waking up to this.

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It's almost like the, um, the old masculine structures that are dominant masculine are

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being torn down.

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And I think we've talked a lot about this, you know, you know, revelations it's, I think

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we're in the apocalypse right now, but that apocalypse is not going to look like the movies

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at all.

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It's going to be the loss of identity and the loss of this old way of doing things because

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Rich and I talk about it.

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Coherence is the balance of the masculine and the feminine.

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That's the sweet spot.

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And when that is true, it's there's peace.

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And I think that's what people are really looking for is they're looking for something

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that doesn't look like old time religion, but they have no experience of what that really

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looks like in their lives.

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And so they feel lost to take the next step forward, but it's getting so bad financially

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that we can't keep up the facade anymore.

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You know, so everything's crumbling right now.

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Feels like it.

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Yeah.

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And people are trying to adjust and there's no old way of adjusting to this because we've

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been a masculine age for 6,000 years and we're moving into a feminine age, but women don't

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want to, but this is my take take is women don't want to reverse the tables and rule

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everything like men did.

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They're smart enough to learn from what the men did wrong and say, no, let's, we need

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balance.

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We need to work together.

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It's like the truth is the coming together.

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So that's what I love about the tender revolutionary part is it feels both masculine and feminine.

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And I don't think any movement is going to really succeed without both.

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Yeah, I fully agree.

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I fully agree.

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It's also a place for the rising feminine of like the teeth, like women we've been told

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to be corseted for a long time.

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We're pissed.

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We're angry.

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We're angry as, as a woman who stepped into her mother archetype.

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Those are my children who are being starved intentionally in the name of cobalt for our

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phones in Congo.

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Those are my children who are being displaced.

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The 6 million people in Sudan.

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Those are my people.

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That's my family.

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And the people who are in power, be they men or women are playing into the toxic patriarchy,

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right?

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Which is the metrics of man or the metrics of patriarchy is the externalized show of

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force.

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Not that I have to dominate you, but I could in any moment.

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Don't you forget it.

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And that's that white God in the sky that we've all had to deconstruct in a lot of ways.

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Like the, the thing that's always watching me and like the reward and punishment system

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and the inevitable, like I'm a sinner and I already started off behind the start line.

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Like all of that deprogramming to get to a point that says, Oh, we've created our governments

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to mimic the spiritual structures of that white imperialist, supremacist, patriarchal

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God in the sky.

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We've mimicked the, the Judeo Abrahamic Christian structure so much so that the vengeful God,

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the punishing God is played out in our politics.

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And we're like, well, those people deserved it.

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They were terrorists.

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Oh, those people deserved it.

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They were, you know, if they would have prayed more, maybe they wouldn't have had a famine

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in Ethiopia or maybe if they were the chosen ones, they wouldn't be starving and go, or

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maybe if they were Christian, they would be doing this.

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Or maybe if they were that, and that, that idea that someone else's suffering is for

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me to either ignore pity or even charity.

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We're missing the point spiritually.

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It's solidarity.

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The point of suffering on this planet for those of us who aren't actively suffering

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is to be in solidarity with those who are our privilege.

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White skin, money, cars, credit cards are not bad things.

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We don't have to be ashamed because we have this access.

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We get to stand and say in a sustainable way, in a regenerative way, in a right relationship

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way with mother earth, can we give this to everybody on the planet?

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Not just me and mine, everybody, no exceptions, because I've seen truth.

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I've tasted it.

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I've felt it in my womb.

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All beings are one being.

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I want, I want my sister in Sri Lanka to be able to go out and get into university education.

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I want my sister in Jerusalem to be able to go get her nails done.

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I want my sister in Turkey to walk down the street and not fear that she's going to get

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kidnapped, but I can't even guarantee for that for myself right now in Los Angeles,

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California, that the idea that there is a connection between this rise of the feminine

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and that what we're going to see and what I want to invite into this space is more permission

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for those who've been oppressed to express their rage, grief, and anger because we can't

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get to peace without justice.

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Absolutely.

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There's been a wild lack of justice for people who've been oppressed.

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So I find that my role a lot of times is to invite people into their rage and grief as

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a spiritual practice, not to avoid it.

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Let's not meditate it away.

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You don't need to drink the medicine away.

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Those are tools to access what has been lying underneath all of us.

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No matter how much privilege we've had, we've all been through trauma in this lifetime,

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right?

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We've all experienced domestic violence, sexual assault, or systems of oppression in one way

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or another, either as the oppressor or the oppressed in all of those situations.

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And to understand that it's not our fault this exists, but it is our responsibility

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to shift it.

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It's not our fault that this is our patterning.

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It's not our fault that white supremacy has bled around the planet.

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And here we are as white people speaking about spirituality.

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But to name it and say, hmm, if I have white skin and there would be people who look like

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me and I could say something like, free Palestine, or I could say something like, try this meditation,

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or I could say something like, Black Lives Matter, or I could say something like, all

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beings are one being and we get to stand for the most oppressed.

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People will listen to you as a white man differently than they will listen to me as a woman.

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And that's just part of patriarchy right now.

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That doesn't mean you're the bad guy.

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That's the piece where I'm like, and we've got to unite because I think white dudes are

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getting a lot of the flack and then they run away from collective liberation.

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They run away from activism because it's like, oh, it's the white dude just benefiting from

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his privilege.

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And for you to say, I mean, like, you know what, I do have privilege.

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I can get pulled over by the cops and my first thought isn't if I'm going to get shot.

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I call the police if I have a problem, right?

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To stand in that and just say, I see, I see you, black brother.

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I see you, black sister.

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I believe you.

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And I'm going to use my privilege for the work of all beings are one being.

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It doesn't mean you deny your white privilege.

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It means you say, what can I do with this blessing, this privilege, this weird curse

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and blessing that I've been gifted in this lifetime?

477
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,560
What can I utilize this for as a key to bring other voices on stage who wouldn't be heard

478
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,640
to give access to people who otherwise wouldn't have access or just name the things that people

479
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,840
will listen to you differently than they listen to me or if I was a brown or black skinned

480
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,620
woman or if I was overtly queer, right?

481
00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:38,920
I consider myself queer, but I present as heteronormative.

482
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,720
So the way people interact with me is different than they interact with someone who's very

483
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,680
obviously transgendered or very obviously more in their queer expression.

484
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,160
And so I just invite that in because I think the uniting of the masculine and feminine

485
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,560
is a few things for me.

486
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,600
One to not demonize men.

487
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,720
You are not the problem.

488
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,500
Patriarchy is the problem and men and women and non-binary people participate in that.

489
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,500
Patriarchy is a system that says might is right.

490
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:07,000
If you can take it, you should take it.

491
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,360
If you can dominate, you should.

492
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,080
If you can win, you should take as much as you can from that natural resource and keep

493
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,160
taking until it's completely dry.

494
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:20,640
It's like masculinity on steroids and anything that expresses masculinity, lots of money,

495
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,040
lots of power, lots of fame, that that is somehow more valuable than intuition, feeling,

496
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,080
deep connection, relationship.

497
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,560
Those things of the masculine are not bad.

498
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,520
Like making money, providing, protecting, being a structure.

499
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,520
We need that.

500
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,000
It's just there's been too much of it and that's been the only thing that's been celebrated.

501
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Yeah.

502
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,680
In our systems at play.

503
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,920
But we also can't do away with protection and can't do away with a good financial system

504
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,440
or integrity or being true to your word, you know, like these beautiful things.

505
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,880
So part of the tender revolution, and you said it so beautifully, Jonathan, is acknowledging

506
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,160
the pieces of the masculine in myself and in you and in others that I'm like, yeah,

507
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,160
we need that.

508
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360
And can we utilize the masculine to address the toxic patriarchy?

509
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:14,040
It's like the episode of X-Men when Professor X gets taken over by this like entity and

510
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,280
he becomes like this uber intense Professor X and is making them all train crazy and like

511
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,680
is starting to turn them into villains.

512
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,960
It's like Professor X is still in there.

513
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,960
We just need to extract the being from Professor X and be like, be our Professor X, be the

514
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,840
men you're meant to be, be the masculine even in me that we're meant to be.

515
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,160
Can we do it without the need to dominate?

516
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,760
Can we do it with an open heart and balance of the feminine of like I've been touched

517
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,000
by Mother Earth and the beauty of the feminine within myself, within my own emotions, and

518
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,440
I can empathize with those, I believe those who are saying that they're oppressed.

519
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,800
I'm here to utilize my gift of the masculine to build structures and systems to hear the

520
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,920
people who've been oppressed by my ancestors or oppressed by people who look like me or

521
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,840
oppressed by people who I used to have lunch with.

522
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,800
And not to say them and you, but to make that distinction of like, and I'm working on deconstructing

523
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,200
the systems of harm in me.

524
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,600
I'm working on it.

525
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,960
And I constantly have to say that I say things all the time that are flippant or from privilege

526
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,380
or from ignorance, like unknowing ignorance of just being on this path.

527
00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:27,720
And so yeah, that's what I just want to invite in the space of like connection and collaboration

528
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,720
and how that personal healing journey can support both of you and anyone listening into

529
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:42,120
our, I believe our soul's purpose is to unite, be in unity, emotionally, spiritually, mentally,

530
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,800
nationally, globally, one human race, right?

531
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Acknowledge our differences, celebrate our cultures, celebrate the food, celebrate the

532
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:57,960
hit, the celebration, like rather than this competition and war and genociding and extraction

533
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,760
of natural resources, no more, no more raping mother earth.

534
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,480
So let me give you a contrast of kind of the first 30 minutes, because I think that was

535
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,480
really a good balance.

536
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:18,040
You started with the common narrative of the white rich male, which I mean, I grew up in

537
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,720
that narrative and you ended with celebration.

538
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:28,480
How do you include the white rich male in that celebration?

539
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:36,160
I think that's a very funny question because, no, because it asks the question of the perpetrator.

540
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Totally, totally.

541
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,120
And this conversation of like, well, white rich men are welcome everywhere, right?

542
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,680
Like they could literally walk into any hotel.

543
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,320
I'm just speaking from the side of- You've been put on a lot lately.

544
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,320
Yeah.

545
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Yeah.

546
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Right?

547
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,320
Historically, that is absolutely true.

548
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,320
Right.

549
00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:00,360
And in this narrative that I choose to subscribe to of all beings or one being of like, you're

550
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,080
me too, right?

551
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,600
My dad is, my dad's a white male.

552
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:11,400
He's not rich, never been rich, but like, how do I personally include someone like you

553
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,480
is to be in this conversation and to come on this podcast, right?

554
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,800
Like you and I were chatting on Instagram and then you made a comment on a video that

555
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,520
I reposted that was, I'm too spiritual to care about the war was the song.

556
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,680
And the song was this kind of like satirical, like, I'm just too spiritual to care about

557
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,680
the war.

558
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,520
And my critique was, it's really frustrating for me.

559
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,040
My yoga teachers, people I've sat with in plant medicine ceremony, people who've called

560
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,360
me teacher, people who I've worked with for decades, people who I've helped build podcasts,

561
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:46,080
people who I've coached, I come to them and I've been in a dialogue with them, not just

562
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,440
like one Instagram comment.

563
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,440
I'll be super clear.

564
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,440
But in dialogue with them around, Hey, October 7th happened.

565
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Palestinians are asking us to repost.

566
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,320
I believe it's our work if we're going to be in spiritual leadership to name genocide,

567
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,560
to name the poly crisis, as it's been called by my teacher, critical, which is the eco

568
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,920
sides around the planet, the multiple genocides, suicides, addictions and state sanctioned

569
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,320
homicide, prison systems to start talking about these things from a spiritual perspective.

570
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,360
So I entered into a dialogue, months of dialogue from like end of October, March is when I

571
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,080
started calling it out of like, look, Jay Shetty, I'm not taking your shit anymore.

572
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,040
And you've been off putting and not answering my calls.

573
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,840
And you and I used to be tight.

574
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,120
And now you're saying that you're going to lose money if you name that what is happening

575
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,120
as a genocide.

576
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Right?

577
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,600
So I started calling friends forward and started naming things and then this video came up.

578
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,840
And Jonathan made a comment on the video somewhere around, I don't even remember exactly what

579
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,200
it was, but people came after him of like, Hey, what you're saying is exactly what this

580
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:56,540
song is saying is yes, we all need peace and yes, we all want love and yes, we want positivity.

581
00:33:56,540 --> 00:34:02,880
But for people who are being actively bumped, they first need empathy and witnessing and

582
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:09,800
a naming of what is before we can jump to that conversation of oneness or light or joy

583
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:10,800
or celebration.

584
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,000
There needs to be an empathy of like, I see you, I feel you.

585
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,560
And so that would be my response here too.

586
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,280
It's like, if I could have gotten in dialogue with you, I've like, ah, I feel your heart,

587
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,280
Jonathan.

588
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,680
I don't think you're trying to say that the Gazans don't matter.

589
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,520
I don't think you're saying that genocide is the answer, but when the first step is

590
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,040
to say, but we're all one or we're all light for a child who's just lost their parent,

591
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,280
for a parent who's just lost their child, which is the reality that we're living in

592
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,960
to take a breath and say, how can I get your world?

593
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,840
So that's where I would start is if I want to include someone in the conversation, be

594
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,520
like, what's, what's alive in your world, what has brought you into this space?

595
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,840
What has your personal healing journey been?

596
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,440
What are you working on and how do we connect that?

597
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,240
If you're willing, can we connect that to the larger systems of oppression, domination

598
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:57,980
and ultimately liberation?

599
00:34:57,980 --> 00:35:02,640
Because I believe every personal trauma that you've ever had is connected to systems of

600
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:10,720
oppression, domestic abuse, violence, racism, classism, sexism, ableism, and the assumptions

601
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:17,280
that are put on you as white presenting, able-bodied presenting, heteronormative presenting.

602
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,080
That doesn't mean that you are any of those things.

603
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:25,600
That's how you present the projections and the stereotypes that are put on you are also

604
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:33,000
traumatic, the metrics that you've had to live up to as a man in this culture of not

605
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,360
expressing your emotions, of not saying when you are sad, but expressing anger instead

606
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,080
of sadness, not being able to cultivate empathy in circles because men circles are not encouraged

607
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,040
for a long time, not being able to say, Hey, I need a day off work for mental health or

608
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,760
for emotional reasons.

609
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,140
That is also traumatic.

610
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:55,680
And so I would empathize, use the bridges that I know around systems of oppression and

611
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,520
personal healing, and then hear you.

612
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,640
I'd want to hear you.

613
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,640
The way to connect with anyone is to actually get them talking.

614
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Yeah.

615
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Well, that's everybody.

616
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:12,240
Everybody talks about having that dialogue and it to be free and open and honest.

617
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,600
And then you'll see a lot of people start to shut that down.

618
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,600
No, we're reserving this.

619
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,840
I mean, here's what the mainstream Republicans have been saying in the past, the Democrats

620
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,760
were the one that were open to everything.

621
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,120
And now they're the ones shutting everything down on campus.

622
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Right?

623
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Like, no, you can't show up here.

624
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,840
You're an asshole.

625
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,000
Goodbye.

626
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,520
And it could be true if that person is an asshole and they really are there as a polemicist

627
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,520
and not really try to engage in open ideas and come with a script.

628
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Right?

629
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,840
And so one of the things I wanted to go back to though is how we do become unified, because

630
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,920
I have two examples I wanted to share with you and they're kind of lame, but they're

631
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,920
out there.

632
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,560
And so the perfect example is we just recently had National Indigenous Peoples Day, right?

633
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,280
It used to be called Columbus Day.

634
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,500
And you watch this cartoon where the armies of Cortez come in and it's happy Indigenous

635
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:02,120
Peoples Day as they watch the Aztecs ripping each other's hearts out and a thousand bodies

636
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,760
go down to Chichen Itza.

637
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,760
Right?

638
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,960
All bloodied for the sacrifices of that group.

639
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,840
And then somebody says, well, so you think we're bad.

640
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,760
Wait until you see what we took over.

641
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,760
Right?

642
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,360
So there's a silly kind of way of going back to that.

643
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,200
And if you go to another example, it's like Christianity has caused all the problems in

644
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,200
the world.

645
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,560
It's like, whoa, you think Christianity has caused the problems?

646
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Why don't you go look at Mao?

647
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,120
Why don't you go look at Stalin?

648
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,400
Why don't you look at the 20, 40 million people that were killed as a result of this godless

649
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,160
kind of construct?

650
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:39,160
So how do we get ourselves in the position that those soldiers in Cortez's army are the

651
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,080
same people as the Aztecs that they killed?

652
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:51,560
How do you, I mean, what happened as they went from La Paz all the way up to California

653
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,960
and brought smallpox and disease and pain and suffering all along the way, how do we

654
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,640
get ourselves in a mindset of instead of this comparative dissing and making ourselves feel

655
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,640
better, we say we actually are that, we actually did it to ourselves.

656
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,880
You know what I mean?

657
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Because making that gap, bringing that together to me seems to be half the problem.

658
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,600
And you started by saying, well, we have a dialogue at least, but how do we move past

659
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,600
these?

660
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,520
How do we get to the collective dialogue?

661
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,520
Yes.

662
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,400
And how do we get to a unified construct?

663
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,840
Because you have to, people don't believe, people don't believe that we're the same

664
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,000
people armed every day in Gaza, they think it's all propaganda.

665
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Show me the rapes, show me the beheadings of the babies is what people are saying on

666
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,160
the Palestine side.

667
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,040
Wait a minute, you told us that we came in and the Palestinians came in and we cut the

668
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,040
hell out of all these babies, that we raped all these women, we did all these things.

669
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Show me the videos.

670
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,880
You keep telling me how terrible it is, show it to me.

671
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,800
And sometimes I'm like, I'm kind of aiming on those guys.

672
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,800
I didn't see anything.

673
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,240
And so it's this, this is where I get confused, right?

674
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:58,240
You know what I'm saying?

675
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,000
Yeah, I feel you.

676
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,440
So I think it's helpful when we actually have evidence, like facts can be really helpful

677
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,480
in these times.

678
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,680
And so we'll just kind of go step by step.

679
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Like one, the Palestinian genocide has been really well documented and the Hannibal directive

680
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:21,360
would be really good to look up of what the IDF, also known as the IOF, the Israeli Occupational

681
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,720
Forces were demanded to do on October 7th.

682
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:29,820
So the reason why they don't have evidence on the Israeli side of the rapes or beheading

683
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:33,680
of the Israeli children is because that didn't happen.

684
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,000
And that doesn't mean that October 7th was a good thing or I would never wish upon anyone's

685
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,960
family to experience a hostage situation or murder.

686
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,720
Murder and hostages did happen.

687
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,440
The layers that were put on top of it around rape and beheading of babies and putting babies

688
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:57,400
in ovens was to create like a 9-11 frenzy to justify what had already been planned next.

689
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:04,200
So then when we look at pictures and the United Nations, which is a very trustworthy organization

690
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,760
when it comes to their research, not for everything, but for their research, they're very good

691
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,800
at academic research.

692
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,720
They're not very good at action in the world.

693
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,080
They're not very good at follow through.

694
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Okay.

695
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,960
They're very good at academic research, researching what has already happened.

696
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,560
They're not very good at forward thinking.

697
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,840
They're very good at numbers and data.

698
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,280
159 countries in the world are saying this is genocide and are calling for the end of

699
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,280
the state of Israel.

700
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,280
159.

701
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,280
Yeah.

702
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:35,880
Three oppose Israel, the United States, and Ukraine.

703
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Yeah.

704
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,960
So when we just look at the numbers, when we just look at like the facts in that, I

705
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,960
have Israeli Jewish friends who I love dearly.

706
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,240
I have friends who are Zionists who I've had to step away from.

707
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,960
I know their heart.

708
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,880
The conversation that I continually go back to with them, with other people that I'm not

709
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:05,520
in unification with is to understand their world and stand in my core values.

710
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,400
Understand their world and stand in my core values.

711
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,740
Open up more to what could be possible, be willing to learn even as I stand convicted

712
00:41:11,740 --> 00:41:13,600
in my core values.

713
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,280
So there's that dance.

714
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,180
The fact check around like the Aztecs and the Spanish coming.

715
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:22,400
So the Spanish, yeah, they were responsible for about 40 million deaths.

716
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,680
The Aztecs had a ceremonial practice and the Aztec nation was actually only from Mexico

717
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,840
down a little bit into Costa Rica.

718
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,000
So they weren't the full- The Mayas, the total.

719
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000
South America.

720
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000
The Olmecs, you had a lot.

721
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,080
The Mayas are also in Mexico.

722
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,680
The Incas, which are from Panama all the way down to South America, were known for zero

723
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,680
human sacrifice.

724
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,680
Zero.

725
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,840
Zero human sacrifice.

726
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,880
So the Aztecs were known for human sacrifice.

727
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,440
They did it twice a year and the people who were sacrificed volunteered.

728
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,440
Volunteered.

729
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,560
So I'm not saying that human sacrifice is a good thing.

730
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,960
I'm not saying that that's a good idea.

731
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,840
I'm not advocating for that.

732
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:07,280
But when we start to equate a spiritual practice that was done twice a year, about 40 people

733
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:18,400
each time to the mass genocide of over 400 million Indigenous First Nations from Canada

734
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:24,900
all the way down to Patagonia and associate all of these people with one practice.

735
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,780
So it's not that what you're saying isn't true.

736
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:37,040
It's just the way that it's conflated and the story that's told about it is very important.

737
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,340
So I think the piece of building unity is to first come in with what we're responsible

738
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:44,520
for and what we can take responsibility for.

739
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,120
So when I'm in mixed race spaces, when I am one of the only white people in Indigenous

740
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,360
spaces, which happens a lot, when I am navigating conversations between my Black community,

741
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,900
my Latino community, Indigenous community, white community, because there is separation,

742
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:03,080
there is separation, and I'm wanting to bring unity, I ask a lot of questions.

743
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,240
And then when it's time for me to speak, I say, my name is Brianna.

744
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:11,760
I'm the daughter of Randy and Susie, granddaughter of Barbara, Brian, Lino, and Josephine.

745
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,920
My ancestors are from the Celtic nations, Ireland, Scotland, North Europe, and from

746
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,680
the Corte de la Sierra, the beautiful Alps, Etruscans and Sabines.

747
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,720
And I know from my personal history that some of my ancestors were settlers on this land.

748
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:27,880
They took land that wasn't theirs.

749
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,880
And I can't apologize for them.

750
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,220
It's not my fault that it happened, but I am here as a responsible human to do what

751
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:36,240
I can to make it better.

752
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,720
And I understand that my skin color can be triggering for certain people.

753
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,840
And I understand that I might say things that might offend you from my unconscious place

754
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,960
of not recognizing my own privilege.

755
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,780
And I'm here to do the best that I can, and I'm here to learn.

756
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:54,680
That diffuses a lot because it's like, I am already showing that I'm receptive.

757
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,400
I'm not here to defend myself.

758
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,640
I'm not like those white people.

759
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,240
I'm not like the colonizers.

760
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:00,620
Maybe I am.

761
00:44:00,620 --> 00:44:02,940
Maybe there is something racist in me still.

762
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:05,200
Maybe there is something in me that's still playing into patriarchy.

763
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,840
I'm a pretty young woman.

764
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,120
I know how to move my thing.

765
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,760
That's patriarchy.

766
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,200
That's women who play the patriarchy.

767
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,960
We play into the maid and we get what we want.

768
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,960
That's patriarchy.

769
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Or white supremacy.

770
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,960
I'm perfect.

771
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,960
I'm pure.

772
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:17,960
I'm of the light.

773
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,200
White supremacy.

774
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,820
So I can catch myself in certain things.

775
00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:25,520
And there's still some things that I'm in unknowing ignorance about.

776
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,400
And when I acknowledge that in a space, it's like you could literally deflate.

777
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,280
There's a relaxation of like, oh, we don't need to.

778
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,460
And I also make it very clear.

779
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:35,720
I believe you.

780
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,960
I believe that a genocide to the indigenous happened.

781
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,960
I believe that the lands that I live on, these are Tongva-Gabralino lands.

782
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,520
This isn't Los Angeles, California.

783
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,200
This is 10,000 years.

784
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,620
This was Tongva-Gabralino lands.

785
00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:50,260
And I can just name that.

786
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:55,440
And with no shame in my body either of like, oh, I'm the heavy white person who's done

787
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,760
horrible things.

788
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,880
Maybe I'll be a better white person by being a...

789
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,880
No.

790
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:00,880
No shame either.

791
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,880
They don't want collapse.

792
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,960
People who've meditated, people who've done their breath work, drank their ayahuasca and

793
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,040
said, all beings are one being.

794
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,360
I come in the light and I understand that I'm an ignorant motherfucker, but I'm here

795
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,600
to love with my heart and learn a little bit more.

796
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,400
I'm here to listen.

797
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:19,880
I've found that that instant, instant platform for people and then other people come forward.

798
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,360
Oh, I come from this.

799
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Oh, I come from that.

800
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,440
Here's how I've been oppressed or here's how I've oppressed others.

801
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:32,360
It opens up for taking personal responsibility in a collective when you go first taking responsibility.

802
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,920
It doesn't solve everything, but it is like a solvent that just starts like, oh, there

803
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,960
are people who are willing to listen.

804
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,480
There are people, white people doing the spiritual work and learning how to listen to the indigenous

805
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,400
who've been saying stop killing mother earth for the past 4,000 years.

806
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,040
What is now being said by climate scientists has been said by your ayahuasquitos and their

807
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,080
lineage for thousands of years.

808
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,920
May we receive that transmission from these plants as much as the personal healing, as

809
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,360
much as that infinite n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-fractal lovingness.

810
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,440
May we receive the transmission of the trees and the people who've tended them as well.

811
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Yeah, so again, this isn't an answer of like how to create unity, but when things are rough

812
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,460
and you're entering into spaces where you know people are going to be on the defensive,

813
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:23,160
like literally taking the swords off your back, placing them down, taking your shield,

814
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,320
placing it down, I'm not here to defend or dominate.

815
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,320
I'm here to learn.

816
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,320
Yeah.

817
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Well, they can read your heart too.

818
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,400
You can say it, but you also feel it and then it's palpable, right?

819
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,680
And so I think that's a huge thing.

820
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,720
Yeah, and if you feel it, they'll feel it.

821
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,040
That's the power of the coherence that you were speaking of, Jonathan.

822
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Coherence, that term actually means to be in resonance, to be in the same frequency.

823
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,040
Literally my heart is pounding.

824
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,000
The words that I'm saying are literally flowing through the filter of my heart.

825
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,400
You can feel it.

826
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,120
Even if you weren't hearing my words, just feeling the tenor of my voice, feeling the

827
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,040
urgency and the love in my heart because all beings are one being, even if it's through

828
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,040
a screen.

829
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,720
Our electromagnetic frequency is billions of times more powerful than this screen or

830
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:14,720
this light.

831
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:15,720
You know what I mean?

832
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,480
It's the tool for our connection.

833
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,400
And so yeah, I appreciate you speaking to that too.

834
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,240
It's like we've got to feel that truth.

835
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:27,160
These aren't words to create a spell over people or to manipulate them or to make something

836
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,160
happen.

837
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,080
This is a conjuring of portals to open up.

838
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:38,800
May we open and may we support others in opening by creating safety around us.

839
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:46,440
Brianna, you said earlier that you…I don't want to put words in your mouth, so remind

840
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,760
me if I get it wrong, is you broke up with Jesus.

841
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,760
What do you mean by that?

842
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,760
Yeah, I say that kind of tongue in cheek.

843
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,760
It's a great way of saying it.

844
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,120
No, it's a great way of saying it.

845
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,160
But what was that process like for you that led you…because I've never felt that urge

846
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:06,920
to…I appreciate Jesus as the example of love.

847
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,560
That's my deep connection, but what was your experience like?

848
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,560
Yeah.

849
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Yeah.

850
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,560
Yeshua ben Joseph and I are chill.

851
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,280
Jesus is like a brand to me.

852
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,000
You know what I mean?

853
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Like the Yeshua…

854
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,560
You can give it not so much, but Yeshua ben Joseph, yes, so.

855
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,880
Like walk on water, feed the poor, hang out with the harlots.

856
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,880
That would be my dude.

857
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,560
Barefoot in tunics, those are my people.

858
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,280
Sounds like whenever I hang out under the trees and eat some fish, I'm down.

859
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,440
I'm going to all day.

860
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,160
Talk about love and revolution and be like, give Caesar the money.

861
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,160
Let's go live in the desert.

862
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,160
I'm in.

863
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,720
Like I'm in with all of that.

864
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:43,720
Yeah.

865
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:44,720
Jesus is a brand.

866
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:51,040
So when I was…it was in the sixth grade, so I was 10, 11 years old, and we had to do

867
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,080
a report on a tribal people around the world.

868
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,880
We were studying tribes and like more earth-based traditions.

869
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,320
So some people did, you know, the Lakota tribe here in the United States or our local tribe

870
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,760
or some in South America.

871
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,800
And I was like, I'm doing the Zulu nation of South Africa.

872
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,080
And I'd like seen them on a documentary and the way they dance and the way they move,

873
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,280
their Chosa language, like the sound of the clicks and the hums and like their language.

874
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:20,960
I was just like, these people are alien, infinite, ancient beings.

875
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,480
Like I just, I could feel it in my bones.

876
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,400
I was like, Zulu nation, they know something we don't know.

877
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,980
They know something we don't know.

878
00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:27,980
And so I did this report.

879
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:32,220
I got really excited and we did on the language and the food and the culture and where they

880
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:33,500
live and had a map.

881
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:35,760
And I came to church, came to my youth group.

882
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,720
And I was very excited to talk about Zulu nation.

883
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:44,520
I'll never forget Mr. Rodriguez, our youth group pastor, came over and said, you know,

884
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,400
Brianna, it sounds like you're really excited.

885
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,720
And this is paraphrasing, obviously.

886
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:50,880
It sounds like you're really excited about the Zulu nation.

887
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:57,920
But unfortunately, unless you included Jesus in that report, you know, these are people

888
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,400
who are going to be damned to hell.

889
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:01,680
Oh my God.

890
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,680
I was just like, okay, let me just get this straight.

891
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,120
Jesus is like 2000 years old.

892
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,320
These people are like 200,000 years old.

893
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,560
And you're telling me like a little 2000 year old blip on their timeline is somehow going

894
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,200
to interact with their infinite soul.

895
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:24,480
Like, and the God that I had experienced in my heart in that moment was like, nah, I was

896
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,360
just like, nah, that's not right.

897
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,880
That's not right.

898
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,920
The God you're talking to and the God that I talked to are two different things because

899
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,300
this one's telling me they're all right.

900
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,060
This one's telling me they actually got it more figured out than us.

901
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:42,760
This one's telling me they have a process of transformative justice where they put whoever

902
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,880
has committed a crime in the center of a circle and sing their name to them until they break

903
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,240
down and cry and apologize and make amends, even if that means exile.

904
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,160
They sing as a form of their justice system.

905
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Like they know something we don't know.

906
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,540
They know something we don't know.

907
00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:59,920
And I just remember that feeling in my bones seated at about sixth grade.

908
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,320
By the time I was 15 years old, I told my parents, if you keep making me go to church,

909
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,320
I will have sex.

910
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,240
I hadn't had sex at that point.

911
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:15,240
And you all know how precious a first born daughter of an Italian family's virginity.

912
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,600
And I had my, you know, my promise ring with the cross and the rose.

913
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,240
I got married to Jesus.

914
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,440
Like I had a purity ring circle.

915
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,080
My daddy handed on my right.

916
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,480
I got married to Jesus until my hymen was going to be broken by my husband.

917
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,340
Like that whole thing, the whole thing.

918
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:34,740
So when I say I broke up with Jesus, it was this concept that I had married this entity

919
00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:40,960
that I had given my body, my vagina, my boobs, my barely pubescent body.

920
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,400
I hadn't even started bleeding yet and I'm marrying an entity.

921
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,240
I was like, fuck this.

922
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:51,320
Like by the time I was 15, I had been reading books on Lilith.

923
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,360
I'd been deconstructing the establishment of Judaism.

924
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,640
I got deep into Kabbalah.

925
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,040
I got deep into the Gnostics.

926
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,040
I read the book of Timothy.

927
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,080
I was like, there's a book of Mary Magdalene.

928
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Who knew?

929
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,160
I had an AP US English teacher, AP English teacher when I was 15, who started asking

930
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,080
me some questions and he kind of like planted the seed and he just slid me the book on Lilith.

931
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,320
And I was like, Oh, what's Adam's first wife?

932
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,320
What's this?

933
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,620
And it was just like reading a mythology.

934
00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:20,600
And he asked me after I read the book of Lilith, he's like, what'd you think?

935
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,160
I was like, well, that's an interesting mythology.

936
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,760
He's like, what if it's all a mythology?

937
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,320
And I was just like, what determines that Zeus is less real than Jesus?

938
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,600
What determines that Freya is less real than Kuan Yin?

939
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,920
What determines that Mary Magdalene existed, but Aphrodite didn't?

940
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,980
And I started that churning around 15, 16 years old on top of all of this.

941
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:47,280
So I told them, if you keep making me go to church, Hymen will be broken.

942
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,740
So they told me I didn't need to go.

943
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:54,120
And then by the time I went to university at 17, I was like, I need to explore things

944
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,240
outside of the Christian paradigm.

945
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:01,400
My biggest personal angst, anxiety and suicidality.

946
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,240
At night, the only thing that felt like I could be escaping from the suffering of this

947
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:08,400
world was going to heaven, was like, get me the fuck out of here.

948
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,160
I want the eject button.

949
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,320
From what was happening with my family, I grew up in the time of the Iraq war.

950
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,700
So the majority of my high school friends, I grew up in a socioeconomically poor area.

951
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:23,060
So more than 70% of my high school class went to the front lines of Iraq.

952
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:29,600
I watched my friends come back with CPTSD or missing limbs or not at all.

953
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,440
So awakening to that and being like, that's not God's will.

954
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,440
I knew it in my heart that had been purified by the love of the infinite, that what they

955
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,920
were telling me was God's will wasn't God's will.

956
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,440
And I don't say that with a K knowing, I say that with a G-N-O-S-I-S.

957
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,600
There was just a body knowing of like, this isn't the way.

958
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,080
And the irony, of course, is that Dick Cheney just supported Kamala.

959
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,920
So he's the freaking perpetrator of that entire debacle.

960
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:07,480
I don't think anybody, I've always voted Republican, Brianna, but I knew anybody should have known

961
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,800
that was an absolute joke.

962
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:16,720
And going back to the whole October 7th, I did hear something scary in that they moved

963
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,760
the venue like two days prior.

964
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,200
There was just a lot of funky shit that happened.

965
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,160
Netanyahu, who has the most to gain from that process?

966
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,320
And you start to, with an open mind, you start to realize stuff like that.

967
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,400
So when I was saying that I wasn't justifying things, I was just saying what is out there.

968
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,400
Totally.

969
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,560
But anybody who saw that.

970
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,480
That's the other saddest thing about this war.

971
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,120
World War II was considered a good war, a just war.

972
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:50,480
We knew who the bad guys were, but then everything after that, from Korea to Vietnam to Iraq,

973
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,840
where you've got civilians and shields and all kinds of stuff and we don't even know

974
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,840
what we're fighting for.

975
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,320
And you look where we are today.

976
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,560
I mean, it's like the prison system too, right?

977
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:05,560
It is literally just the cause of pain and suffering that's a no end.

978
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,160
And you look at it and you say, we don't learn.

979
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,000
It's like Stephen.

980
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,960
Stephen's in front of the, he's the first martyr, right?

981
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,680
So he's in front of all this group of people and they go, you start over here and God still

982
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:17,680
did this.

983
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:18,680
He did this.

984
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:19,680
He did this.

985
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,680
He did this.

986
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:21,680
He said, screw you.

987
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,080
Then you bring in Jesus and then you have killed him too, you guys don't get it.

988
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,880
You don't get it, right?

989
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:28,960
And that's what we need.

990
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:35,120
We need something stronger than just what we see with our eyes to get it.

991
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,200
We need something that we need to feel, and we need to be in the presence of others who

992
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,220
feel and can teach.

993
00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:45,500
And we need something bigger than what we've got going on right now.

994
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:47,860
We just need something to come through.

995
00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:51,700
And I think that it feels like we could be on a precipice of it.

996
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:53,140
You know, I don't know.

997
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:57,300
Brianna, let me ask you a question because you seem very informed about what's going

998
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:58,300
on over there.

999
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:06,700
Do you think there is and if there is how large a contingent between the two parties

1000
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:09,740
that wants peace?

1001
00:56:09,740 --> 00:56:11,220
Between the Democrats and the Republicans?

1002
00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:12,660
No, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry.

1003
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:14,660
Not politics over in Israel.

1004
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:15,660
In Palestine.

1005
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:16,660
Right.

1006
00:56:16,660 --> 00:56:26,460
The Palestinian people have been advocating for just liberation since 1948 when the illegal

1007
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:31,860
occupation of European settlers came into their lands.

1008
00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:34,540
And briefly, it's just liberation.

1009
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:35,540
What does that mean?

1010
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:37,920
Just liberation would be I get to keep my house.

1011
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,580
If you would like to build a house, you can go through the legal system that is already

1012
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:42,580
in place.

1013
00:56:42,580 --> 00:56:45,540
Yeah, there was already a legal system in place.

1014
00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:50,000
There wasn't an official nation state of Palestine, but there weren't a lot of official nation

1015
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,200
states in 1948 all over Africa.

1016
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,140
Even Central America had broken up different nation states at that time.

1017
00:56:55,140 --> 00:57:00,660
So the fact that there wasn't a recognized nation state by the Western countries didn't

1018
00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:06,100
mean that there weren't systems at play for people who were is claiming to be Israeli

1019
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,920
Jews returning to Palestine.

1020
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,920
They want to come to Palestine.

1021
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:10,920
That's fine.

1022
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,920
We have a system.

1023
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,920
You can get a passport.

1024
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,920
We have our money.

1025
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,920
It's as Palestine.

1026
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:21,100
Instead of that, they established their own government, got money from Great Britain,

1027
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:29,060
from the United States, from France and from Spain, created an army and then began to colonize

1028
00:57:29,060 --> 00:57:31,020
Palestine.

1029
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:36,260
So the problems began even in the late 1800s when this movement called Zionism was created.

1030
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:42,920
Zionism is very similar to what was considered the expansion of the U.S. empire, which was

1031
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,460
justified by something called Manifest Destiny.

1032
00:57:47,460 --> 00:57:48,460
Good job.

1033
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:55,100
So Manifest Destiny was a Christian doctrine that was created in the late 1600s, early

1034
00:57:55,100 --> 00:58:02,260
1700s that says, if you have a gun and God lives in your heart, anyone you shoot doesn't

1035
00:58:02,260 --> 00:58:06,980
count, especially if they're native on this land because they're backwards civilization

1036
00:58:06,980 --> 00:58:11,380
and they eat their own babies and they massacre themselves and their religion's totally off.

1037
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:12,920
We have the right religion.

1038
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,020
We are endowed by God to be the chosen people of this land.

1039
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:22,180
Zionism is almost an exact copy of Manifest Destiny, which enabled the genocide of the

1040
00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:26,540
indigenous peoples of Turtle Island, over 400 million people, most of whom were not

1041
00:58:26,540 --> 00:58:32,480
killed by formal armies, most of whom were killed by citizens, settlers, people moving

1042
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,980
out west, the cowboys.

1043
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:34,980
Okay.

1044
00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:37,940
But you still haven't answered my question.

1045
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:38,940
Is there a group?

1046
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:39,940
Not done yet.

1047
00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:44,900
That's a long way around saying that the Palestinians say yes.

1048
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:46,820
The Palestinians want the occupiers out.

1049
00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:48,940
They want the white Europeans out.

1050
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:50,100
They do not belong there.

1051
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:51,300
They came there illegally.

1052
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:52,300
They brought guns.

1053
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:56,740
They brought money from other nations and they hijacked the trauma, the very real trauma

1054
00:58:56,740 --> 00:59:00,700
of the Holocaust, of losing six million Jews across Europe.

1055
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:01,900
That's very real trauma.

1056
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:06,060
They hijacked that trauma and the United States and Great Britain and the Western countries

1057
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:10,740
wanted an in to the Middle East to access fossil fuels, especially after World War II.

1058
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:13,580
They knew that fossil fuels were going to be the next big thing.

1059
00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:14,580
They needed an in.

1060
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:19,260
And most of the Muslim countries in the Middle East say, fuck you to the United States because

1061
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:20,700
they don't agree with our culture.

1062
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,980
They don't agree with the way that we've done imperialism and they have their own capitalist

1063
00:59:23,980 --> 00:59:24,980
thing.

1064
00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:25,980
I'm not saying that they're perfect by any means.

1065
00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:27,860
There's a lot of fucked up shit all imbued in that.

1066
00:59:27,860 --> 00:59:29,220
But they were like, we don't want the Americans in.

1067
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,220
No, we don't want to come to the deal table with you.

1068
00:59:31,220 --> 00:59:32,220
We won't even negotiate.

1069
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:33,220
You get zero fossil fuels.

1070
00:59:33,220 --> 00:59:35,660
The United States and the United States said, oh, really?

1071
00:59:35,660 --> 00:59:37,540
Well, then we're going to arm this group of people.

1072
00:59:37,540 --> 00:59:41,260
We're going to send the largest militia that has ever been seen in the Middle East and

1073
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:44,340
call it the state of Israel.

1074
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:49,140
Israel was made as a buffer for the United States and the Western world to extract fossil

1075
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:57,660
fuels under the guise of protecting very traumatized Jewish people, refugees who did need a home.

1076
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:02,300
And they put them in a place where they knew they would get targeted by Arab and Muslim

1077
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:06,980
people who were upset at colonization already in the Middle East from the Ottoman Empire,

1078
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:10,260
the British Empire, the United States, Spain, Portugal.

1079
01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:11,980
All of them had been all up in there for hundreds of years.

1080
01:00:11,980 --> 01:00:15,340
And they're like, please, white people go back to Europe, please.

1081
01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:19,540
Then you have a presence of white European Jews coming into the space and saying, this

1082
01:00:19,540 --> 01:00:20,980
is our chosen land.

1083
01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:24,420
And the Palestinians are like, we were here when Jesus was here, yo.

1084
01:00:24,420 --> 01:00:26,220
We've been here.

1085
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:27,780
Jesus was like my seventh cousin.

1086
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:31,220
Like literally, this is the you're talking about Moses.

1087
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:32,340
That's my great uncle.

1088
01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:34,140
Like what do you do?

1089
01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:35,620
I get that religiously.

1090
01:00:35,620 --> 01:00:39,340
And maybe you have some Levitan blood way back when.

1091
01:00:39,340 --> 01:00:41,980
But this land has belonged to us.

1092
01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:44,780
And if you want to come into our land and you want to get a home, there are legal ways

1093
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:45,940
to do that.

1094
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:47,620
They chose to not do that.

1095
01:00:47,620 --> 01:00:49,120
They chose to settle.

1096
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,260
They chose to colonize.

1097
01:00:50,260 --> 01:00:58,260
They chose to use imperialism in 1948 and then six consecutive deep massacres after that

1098
01:00:58,260 --> 01:01:03,900
time, one of which the seventh that has been going on since October 8th.

1099
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:09,100
So again, you've done a really good job though of establishing that Israel is at fault.

1100
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:11,220
And I understand that narrative.

1101
01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:15,420
But my question is, is there a group of people inside, you've established very well that

1102
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:17,380
within Palestine, they want peace.

1103
01:01:17,380 --> 01:01:19,740
Is there a group within Israel that does want peace?

1104
01:01:19,740 --> 01:01:24,580
In Palestine, they want liberation, which includes justice and not just the end of fighting,

1105
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:25,580
right?

1106
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:28,980
And I think that wants a sense of peace because here's the thing, these countries have been

1107
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:32,180
fighting for, it has nothing to do with what's happening right now.

1108
01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:35,980
It's happened for millenniums.

1109
01:01:35,980 --> 01:01:42,860
And they've been fighting a war that is so deeply ingrained in their body that they don't

1110
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:43,860
know how to get out of it.

1111
01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:46,180
And how do we get them out of that?

1112
01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:51,560
Because that's what- I think the first piece is acknowledging that there is a settler state.

1113
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,940
Because for people who've been attacked, if your attacker still has a gun, they're not

1114
01:01:56,940 --> 01:02:00,020
going to be asking for like, just stop shooting.

1115
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:04,460
Because they've been asking for that for 76 years and it's not working.

1116
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:07,020
So there needs to be a taking away of the gun.

1117
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:08,020
Nobody's got guns.

1118
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:09,860
Now we can sit down and talk peace.

1119
01:02:09,860 --> 01:02:14,980
Until Israel is disarmed, there can be no liberation or peace in Palestine, number one.

1120
01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:17,220
Number two, there are deep groups in Tel Aviv.

1121
01:02:17,220 --> 01:02:21,940
I'm connected to Jewish Voices for Peace, connected to many groups, not only connected

1122
01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:28,220
to the hostage families, but incredible groups of Jewish Israeli people who 700,000 came

1123
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:31,980
out in Tel Aviv demanding that Netanyahu step down.

1124
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:35,020
700,000, almost a million people in Tel Aviv.

1125
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:37,940
Israelis, Jewish people saying, we want you out.

1126
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:38,940
We're done.

1127
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:40,940
That's not being broadcast, right?

1128
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:43,900
So there are incredible factions that are like, we don't want our children bombed.

1129
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:45,620
We understand this is a settler state.

1130
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,640
We want to have a deeper conversation.

1131
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:53,140
But because the question is economic, this is not a question of geopolitics.

1132
01:02:53,140 --> 01:02:54,260
This is not a question of religion.

1133
01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:57,760
This is not a question of even the war in people's bodies.

1134
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,940
This is a question of money and fossil fuels.

1135
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:03,180
We got to talk to Chevron.

1136
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:04,440
We need to talk to Exxon.

1137
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,300
We need to talk to Shell.

1138
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:07,660
We need to talk to Konocho.

1139
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:12,300
You need to check what you've invested your money in and where your portfolios are because

1140
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:16,060
if they're in fossil fuel companies, we're supporting genocide.

1141
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:21,260
That is the deeper conversation on this planet is going to be economic.

1142
01:03:21,260 --> 01:03:22,620
And are there spiritual roots to that?

1143
01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:26,980
Yes, because in capitalism, we've been sold the idea that if you are spiritually vapid,

1144
01:03:26,980 --> 01:03:29,300
making money will make you feel like more of a man.

1145
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:32,100
That's the play of patriarchy and capitalism.

1146
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:34,600
When you guys know none of that can fill your soul.

1147
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,660
It's nice to have money.

1148
01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:36,660
I'm not anti-money.

1149
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:37,660
I'm not anti-commerce.

1150
01:03:37,660 --> 01:03:38,660
I'm anti-capitalist.

1151
01:03:38,660 --> 01:03:40,220
That shouldn't be our religion.

1152
01:03:40,220 --> 01:03:42,060
Anything after an ism is what you focus on.

1153
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:43,060
We shouldn't be focusing on capital.

1154
01:03:43,060 --> 01:03:44,060
It should be humanism.

1155
01:03:44,060 --> 01:03:45,060
It should be earthism.

1156
01:03:45,060 --> 01:03:49,460
It should be children first, the safety of our children before making money, obviously.

1157
01:03:49,460 --> 01:03:53,980
Obviously, the safety of our rivers before making money, the safety of our oceans before

1158
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:57,300
making money, the protection of women's bodies before making money, always.

1159
01:03:57,300 --> 01:03:59,140
But that's not the case on the planet.

1160
01:03:59,140 --> 01:04:03,260
And with the war in most of the places in the world, and specifically the genocide in

1161
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:08,420
Palestine, the root cause of it is because there's $500 billion worth of oil under Gaza

1162
01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:09,700
Strip.

1163
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:11,380
That's why they're carpet bombing it.

1164
01:04:11,380 --> 01:04:14,180
That's why they're making the people leave, because the people would not give it to them.

1165
01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:16,300
They wouldn't give it to the Israeli corporations.

1166
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:17,980
They wouldn't give it to the US corporations.

1167
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:22,860
And beyond that, these are multilateral, multinational, not even based in any place that have no taxes

1168
01:04:22,860 --> 01:04:27,060
on them, corporations that are feeding our society so that we can get around and feel

1169
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:31,820
like we are safe.

1170
01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:33,180
The people want peace.

1171
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:34,800
The people want peace.

1172
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,780
It's the governments that are controlled by the corporations that are right now.

1173
01:04:38,780 --> 01:04:45,540
Yeah, and my only hope for that is that those two countries, they're both pawns.

1174
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:50,980
I mean, that's the hardest part is they're both pawns to greater monetary purposes, which

1175
01:04:50,980 --> 01:05:00,380
I completely agree with is I'm at a point in this whole grand narrative that we participate

1176
01:05:00,380 --> 01:05:01,380
in.

1177
01:05:01,380 --> 01:05:06,900
Like we showed up at this time in history, and we get to see it happen and unfold is

1178
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:14,420
this idea that there is some greater restoration that we're going to see.

1179
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It's not like, are we going to spend the next 40 years of our life using AI to find a way

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to hurt each other?

1181
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Or can we use it in the smartest way possible to help each other?

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And it's unlimited productivity.

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And so are we reaching a point where we can actually find ways to bring people together?

1184
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:42,700
And I think that has to be led by women because women, men protect what the women show them

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what's worth fighting for.

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And it's the women give the heart.

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And I think I look forward to the day when the mothers in Israel and Palestine come together

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and say, we've been fighting this war so fucking long.

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It's time to stop.

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01:05:58,340 --> 01:06:00,980
And I think we always talk about the black swan.

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What's the black swan that's going to turn the dial?

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And I think that could be a possibility.

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01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:12,620
It's just I long for peace for those two countries.

1194
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:19,080
And I think that's a narrative that I hope gets imbued into that conflict because peace

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is the only thing that solves conflict.

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01:06:21,620 --> 01:06:28,140
So Brianna, you have been a fascinating guest and I would love to have you back again.

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01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:33,420
You have a deeply insightful history of church, which we both appreciate.

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And we're in a fantastic time.

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So thank you so much for joining us today.

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It's been wonderful having you.

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01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:42,020
Thank you, Jonathan.

1202
01:06:42,020 --> 01:06:43,020
And thank you, Rich.

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It's I appreciate these open conversations and I hope we get to connect more as well.

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01:06:47,020 --> 01:06:48,340
I would love to come back.

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01:06:48,340 --> 01:06:56,860
I would love to sit in a room with you and other folks of underrepresented people to

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01:06:56,860 --> 01:07:02,740
learn more, to understand more, to empathize, to feel and to share brokenness, but also

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01:07:02,740 --> 01:07:03,740
hope.

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01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:05,780
I think that would be an amazing experience.

1209
01:07:05,780 --> 01:07:08,300
So I love your background.

1210
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:16,740
You've got so much going on from plant medicine to United Nations, archetypes and possible

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01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:17,820
solutions there too.

1212
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So I mean, what a unique opportunity to learn.

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So I'm looking forward to it.

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01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,040
Thank you, Rich.

1215
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Thank you for your heart.

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01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,040
Yeah.

1217
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,060
So this has been a fascinating conversation.

1218
01:07:30,060 --> 01:07:35,940
So Brianna, thank you so much for joining us.

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We would love to hear your thoughts and connect with us on Instagram.

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We're at Living in the Matrix.

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And this has been one of my favorites.

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01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:46,340
So thank you to all of our listeners.

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Have a wonderful, what is it, Thursday?

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,780
So have a wonderful three-day weekend if you have one, I do.

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So much love everyone.

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See you.