1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,600 I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,000 And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 of what it means to be human in today's world. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 All right, let's get started. Welcome to Living in the Matrix, everyone. 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000 I'm Jonathan. This is my co-host Rich. Say hello, Rich. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Hey, everybody. Welcome to Heatwave Part 2. 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,000 It is 93 degrees in normal 70 degree Ventura, California. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 And hope everybody's staying cool out there. It's toasty. 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Awesome. Today we have this. 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,000 I have been thinking about this for a couple of weeks now and looking forward to it. 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 And they said, yes. Today we have Bailey and Annie. 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Welcome the two of you. It is a pleasure to have you. 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 And I'll introduce you a little bit. Go ahead and say hello. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Thanks, guys. It's a pleasure. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Yes, it's great to see you all. Actually, it's been a couple of weeks. 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 And so it's great to see you all's faces. 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Absolutely. So Bailey and Annie were our guides in our ayahuasca ceremony. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:11,000 And this episode is about unpacking the idea of the ayahuasca ceremony, 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Bailey and Annie's journey, and really understanding what is this thing that is popping up. 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,000 I have 25 friends who have done an ayahuasca ceremony. 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 So it's not like it's fringe anymore. 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,000 People are going out to the deserts. They're sitting under the stars. 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,000 In ours, we sat in a geodome. 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,000 And they're creating a space where they can face their trauma 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 and the things that are really keeping them stuck. 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 And they're doing medicine work. 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:55,000 So I want to start with sort of understanding what drew the two of you to this idea. 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 As in working with ayahuasca. 30 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Yeah. 31 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:05,000 I can tell you how I found ayahuasca and then what led me onto this path. 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:15,000 You know, it was probably 2016. I was in a deep, dark hole that I dug myself and I was lost and depressed. 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,000 I had PTSD. I was in the military. 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,000 I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know what my purpose was, why I was here. 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,000 And I was on YouTube and I was just looking for inspirational videos. 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Just for anything, just give me a little hit of happiness. 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,000 A documentary on ayahuasca popped up and I was like, that's it. 38 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:45,000 And two weeks later, I was down in Costa Rica doing it for my first time. 39 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:51,000 I'll tell you about my first couple nights with ayahuasca. 40 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 The first two nights, I didn't have any experience at all. 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 I thought it was some kind of crazy cult. 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 It kind of brainwashed me with the music and all this stuff. 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 The third night, I sat down. 44 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,000 I was like, OK, I'm just going to surrender myself and just be open to this experience. 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 I had never done a psychedelic before in my life. 46 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:16,000 And so I got to that place where I surrendered in. 47 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:24,000 And my experience was a brain surgery by these Egyptian. 48 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,000 I can't explain it was the Egyptian praying mantis is what they looked like with the with the feral hats. 49 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 And they had these cones on their hands that looked like the barber shop. 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,000 They had those those poles outside that spin and they're going through my brain. 51 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000 And I just hear this popping and popping and all the stuff. 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,000 They were rewiring stuff in my brain and they left. 53 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,000 And then I laughed uncontrollably for probably the next three hours. 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,000 And I would stop nonstop. It was the you know, laughter is a beautiful medicine for me. 55 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Were you feeling joy? All the joy. 56 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:05,000 It's all this this pent up stuff that was I was holding on to from childhood, 57 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000 from all that stuff that I never just released. 58 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:14,000 It was it was released through this laughter and it just opened opened me up, opened everything up for me. 59 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,760 there was just so much more space in my embodiments. 60 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,800 And I knew right then and there, this is what I want to do. 61 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,600 I want to help people. 62 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,960 I want to make something. 63 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,080 And just that led me on the path of finding other ceremonies. 64 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,160 And I went down to Peru for a while 65 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,320 and volunteered at a couple of retreat centers. 66 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,720 And then I found this church that brought me in, 67 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,080 and I started working for them. 68 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,200 And I just fell into the role of a facilitator. 69 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,400 And now that's where I met Annie. 70 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,920 And now this is where our path kind of began. 71 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,440 Annie, how about you? 72 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,920 How'd you get started? 73 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,960 Yeah, same thing. 74 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,200 I was in the dark hole. 75 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:03,120 And I couldn't, like my friend, she 76 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,640 had HER2-positive breast cancer, which is a really aggressive 77 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:07,720 breast cancer. 78 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,440 And she started taking ayahuasca with this solo woman. 79 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,560 They do one-on-ones. 80 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,320 And then she started bringing it in. 81 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:25,120 She got her own medicine, and she did it every other day. 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,960 And her breast tumor shrunk completely and was gone. 83 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,880 And she described the medicine as teaching her 84 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,440 how to go into her trauma and to heal it. 85 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,160 And so that was pretty miraculous for me, 86 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,360 because she had a 50% chance of surviving. 87 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,920 And it was shrunk in two weeks. 88 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,120 And then she did a surgery, because she had some 89 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,680 of the cancer in her lymph. 90 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,440 And they went in, and there was nothing there. 91 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:00,240 There was no cancer. 92 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,640 It was all gone. 93 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,240 And so part of her journey was so I 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,920 met a lot of people down in Peru through her. 95 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,600 And she also connected me with the same church. 96 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,000 She told me about the same church. 97 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,160 She was working for the same church, too, because after that, 98 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,880 she was like, all right, my life's plant medicine. 99 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,520 I'm going to go down and start with the curandados down there. 100 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,800 And so she's doing a diet down in Peru. 101 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:29,600 She's still doing one. 102 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,760 It's been a three-month. 103 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,800 Well, she can do a four-month diet. 104 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Yeah. 105 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,800 So four months of just a really, really strict diet. 106 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,360 And you run with a shaman. 107 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,840 And you do the medicine along with you do a master plant. 108 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:50,680 And the master plant has a teaching for you, a healing 109 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,400 or a teaching or both. 110 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,880 And the ayahuasca opens up all your senses 111 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,960 so that you can receive the teaching. 112 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:05,080 And then the diet, the food that you eat or don't eat 113 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,080 lowers your stimulation. 114 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,920 It's really non-stimulating food so 115 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,000 that you are sensitive to everything around you 116 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,280 and sensitive to that plant so that you can learn 117 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,280 the lessons of the plant. 118 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,560 And so through her, she introduced me to this, 119 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,920 I guess you could call her shaman woman. 120 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,640 I don't know what to call her. 121 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,800 She's a little fairy. 122 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:35,120 And I did the medicine with her and didn't 123 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,760 feel it the first time. 124 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,880 And for some reason, she didn't give me a second dose. 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,360 And I was pretty angry with that. 126 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,480 So that was my integration on that. 127 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,960 And then the second time, I laughed hysterical 128 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,120 the whole time and thought that Jesus 129 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,080 was the answer to everything, which in some ways he is. 130 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,120 He is. 131 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,920 Yeah. 132 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,680 Jesus is the bleep. 133 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,760 And then the third time, then it got me. 134 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,760 Then the shadows came out. 135 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,000 And I was like, oh, OK. 136 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,560 OK, this is what's going on here. 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,840 And it scared me the third time. 138 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,640 But I keep going back. 139 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,440 It's kind of like I'm a musician. 140 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,840 And when I was a kid, I had to play. 141 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,960 I wrote songs since I was 12. 142 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,520 I play piano, I play guitar, I write songs. 143 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,680 And I'd have to play jazz. 144 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,520 And I had to perform on stage. 145 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,880 And I would keep doing it. 146 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,880 I was 15, and I bombed. 147 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,520 I performed in front of my whole high school and totally bombed. 148 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,920 And then I did it again and again and again. 149 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Even if I bombed, I had to keep doing it. 150 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,920 I had to keep playing. 151 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,920 So with this medicine, regardless if it was hard or easy 152 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,040 or blissful or not, I had to just keep doing it. 153 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,120 It's a calling. 154 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,800 You can't help it. 155 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,760 So it's like, how did I end up working with Bailey 156 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,320 and organizing this group? 157 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,400 I just have to. 158 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,160 Like, it's like there's an impulse that just kind of 159 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,080 arises and I just follow it. 160 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,600 So yeah, I started working with that group. 161 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,840 And I worked with another woman in particular. 162 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,840 And she trained me a lot. 163 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,120 And then the medicine teaches a lot. 164 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,880 When you put yourself in the positions, 165 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,200 your spirit or your medicine will teach you 166 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,960 what you need to know along the way if you listen. 167 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,520 Wow. 168 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,720 How would you describe the process of ayahuasca 169 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,320 versus what you know about other psychedelics? 170 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,320 Because again, Jonathan and I have 171 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,560 been studying this for a while. 172 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:50,840 We've seen amazing work with psilocybin, right? 173 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,720 Johns Hopkins University, where stage four cancer victims 174 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,760 have had a hero's dose. 175 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,880 And they're fearful. 176 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,920 And they come out of it without fear. 177 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,600 They have this cosmic feeling of being connected to love, 178 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,240 to the source, to the universe. 179 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,560 We've heard this with acid. 180 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,840 PTSDs can be solved through MDMA. 181 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,280 There has been a push for these things. 182 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,920 How does ayahuasca in your mind either level that playing field 183 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,560 or provide something different that the world 184 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:20,280 should know about? 185 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:23,760 Yeah. 186 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,640 Yeah. 187 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Well, first with ayahuasca, it seems 188 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,840 there's some kind of initiation with the purging 189 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:41,560 and the discomfort that you have to go through to get 190 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:44,720 the full benefits. 191 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,440 Yeah, the full benefit of it. 192 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,760 You have to go through it. 193 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,320 And something about ayahuasca, it really 194 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,160 brings you inside of yourself. 195 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,360 Like you go into the jungle. 196 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,240 You go into the darkness. 197 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,040 So you go into that with ayahuasca. 198 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,520 So you're able to tap into the darkness. 199 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,800 Really, ayahuasca is like a spotlight. 200 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,400 It's kind of showing you all the stuff that 201 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,160 needs to reveal itself and allows 202 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,760 you to get a different perspective of what 203 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,320 you think is going on and then what's really going on. 204 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,040 So, Donal, what do you think, Annie? 205 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,760 I mean, they're all beautiful. 206 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:29,840 I mean, they all help create a space and openness for you 207 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:35,720 to open up yourself enough to feel the trauma 208 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,760 or feel the shadow. 209 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,400 So they're all an opportunity for that. 210 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,600 And they all have a different kind of energy, I think. 211 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,040 And I'm not as familiar with other psychedelics. 212 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,720 I don't work with them a lot. 213 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:55,280 But particularly with ayahuasca, I 214 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,840 feel like there's a strong teacher in that medicine, 215 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,000 a strong guide that's kind of telling you, 216 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,480 this is why this is happening. 217 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,240 This is what's going on here. 218 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,920 And I don't really get that with the other medicines 219 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,240 quite as much. 220 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:15,560 Some of them feel more intimate between me and my mind mind. 221 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:20,440 Some of them are very technical. 222 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,800 Ayahuasca feels very physical. 223 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,360 I like my little metaphor. 224 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,480 It's like you're drinking liquid light into your body. 225 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,640 And it's going to reveal all the shadows and trauma in the body. 226 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,480 And so it's very physical and physically healing. 227 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:48,320 And really, I think it helps us along with our cleansing. 228 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Bailey was telling me, I don't know 229 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,240 if I want to get into this, but if there's parts in the body 230 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:01,000 where there's trauma, parasites and candida 231 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,520 and all that kind of stuff will go right to that trauma spot. 232 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,600 And so it's even harder to heal that area 233 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,800 if you're trying to rid yourself of parasites or disease 234 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,600 or things that are affecting the wound. 235 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,480 And so this is really an opportunity 236 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,120 to really fully help heal. 237 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,480 Going into those areas that your body is protecting yourself 238 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,960 from and won't let you in, this medicine really does do that. 239 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,480 But as far as the difference, it does feel more in the body. 240 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,960 Doing more of that physical healing than other ones. 241 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,600 Others seem to be a little more up here. 242 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,360 It's also, from my perspective. 243 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,400 No, that sounds fair. 244 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,800 Yeah, absolutely. 245 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:53,760 It felt like a medicine, whereas LSD or ecstasy or psilocybin, 246 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,320 they can be used much more recreationally. 247 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,280 I wouldn't see anybody doing ayahuasca recreationally. 248 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,160 It's not in that vein. 249 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,680 It's meant to be, I loved how you guys really 250 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:12,600 created such an atmosphere of compassion and joy 251 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,640 that really pervaded the room. 252 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,520 It was through the entire night, because we 253 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,240 went till 3 o'clock in the morning on both nights. 254 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,080 It's in a different category. 255 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,600 And that's why I walked away really feeling like, for me, 256 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,640 it was very much a medicine. 257 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Because we've had several guests on the podcast 258 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,720 that talk about the experience and having done it 11 or 12 259 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,600 times, and that it's a progression of first getting 260 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:41,800 over yourself. 261 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,520 For the first night, I was trying to get over myself. 262 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,160 I was resisting it. 263 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,080 And then the second night, I was like, OK, 264 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,560 I had this wonderful Saturday afternoon, 265 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:52,880 ready for Saturday night. 266 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,720 And I was like, OK. 267 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,040 And then I had these wonderful experiences. 268 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,960 And it's like a progression of learning. 269 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,400 The more you surrender, the more the guide will tell you 270 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,560 what you need to do with. 271 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,560 And that doesn't happen in the other psychedelics. 272 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,600 It's very almost directed in that way. 273 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:18,160 And that's why I think it is a different class of psychedelic, 274 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,760 because it's very much medicinal. 275 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,880 The purpose is to face what's going on inside of you. 276 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,600 It's to get to that root of what's going on 277 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,760 and help you purge it. 278 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,120 And as our friend Whitney would say, when you purge, 279 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,600 you don't feel like it's bad. 280 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,880 You realize, oh, I'm releasing something. 281 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,040 And I didn't feel that until I was sitting right 282 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:40,960 in front of you, Annie. 283 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,800 I'm sure you remember when I was arched, just vomiting. 284 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,200 You handed me the bucket. 285 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,520 And I was like, I'm in the middle of a room 286 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,720 with 23 people throwing up. 287 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,640 And I realized, no, this is a ceremony. 288 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,280 It's like an initiation. 289 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,760 I'm going through something. 290 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,360 I'm suffering from something for the sake of releasing the pain, 291 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,640 not holding onto it. 292 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,360 Well, I'm always rooting when people are purging. 293 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,640 I'm just rooting them on, because it makes me feel good. 294 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,640 Because it's such a release. 295 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,280 It is. 296 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,560 It's a release. 297 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,280 It is. 298 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,360 Yeah. 299 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,880 Tell us a little bit about it, because one of the things 300 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,520 that you both mentioned is that it didn't work for you 301 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:25,040 immediately. 302 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,280 And we hear about this. 303 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,360 There's a combination of things. 304 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,320 It could be surrender. 305 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,720 It could be dieta. 306 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,480 Jonathan and I were screwing around with social media, 307 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,160 even in the middle of that week, where you're supposed to pull 308 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,240 back and you're getting desensitized. 309 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,440 And I think there's something about the intentionality 310 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,120 you bring to that week. 311 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,440 But there are catalysts. 312 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,680 There are other traditional medicines 313 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,160 that not necessarily medicines, as you say, because it's 314 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:56,760 tobacco. 315 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,560 But there's additional things you 316 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,400 can do to help kick things in. 317 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Can you describe a little bit more about the tobacco 318 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,960 or other things that have been helping the process work 319 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,960 itself out a little bit better? 320 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:11,360 Yeah. 321 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:18,200 You know, the biggest blockage, I guess, to the experience 322 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,200 is the mental chatter. 323 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,080 It's getting out of the head and dropping into the heart, 324 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,640 not trying to be the bus driver of the experience. 325 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,200 So that's one of the biggest hurdles for people, 326 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,760 is to be able to do that and to be vulnerable in that space. 327 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,560 But we use tobacco. 328 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,840 It's mapacho. 329 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,520 It's like jungle tobacco. 330 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,160 It's called like a vuelo. 331 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,200 It's a grandfather energy, like a protection. 332 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,640 And so we get people to kind of blow 333 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,880 the smoke across their body. 334 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,960 And at the beginning of ceremony, 335 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,040 just kind of clear that energy and bring in that protection. 336 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:04,080 And even during ceremony, people will come up and get a sopala 337 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,880 if they need some clearing, which 338 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,800 is like a blessing with the tobacco, 339 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,520 and kind of trying to move that energy. 340 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,440 Yeah, tobacco does a lot. 341 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,760 It has a lot of good energy, a lot of healing ability 342 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,960 used in the right way with the right intention. 343 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,120 I guess along with the mapacho, there's 344 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:28,120 rape or hape, which is the ground up tobacco in Woodash. 345 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:31,320 Each tribe kind of makes it a little different. 346 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,560 That's another one that's used with intention 347 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,240 goes a long ways with that as well. 348 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,080 That's used during ceremony to help move some energy 349 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,600 as in a purge that needs to come out. 350 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,520 Rich, you experienced that, the raphe. 351 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,120 Yeah, I did. 352 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,880 And it wasn't painless, right? 353 00:18:53,880 --> 00:19:00,760 But it was absolutely cathartic in terms of, yeah, 354 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,360 I mean, you watch Michael Pollan do it 355 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,840 at the beginning of How to Change Your Mind on a Netflix 356 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:05,440 series, right? 357 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,560 So he had it done. 358 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,520 And I saw that and just what he went through. 359 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,280 But for me, it went like right through the back of my head. 360 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,720 And then there was this. 361 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,360 Rich, explain the experience because it's important. 362 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:24,480 It's like you're fully animated and aware of things. 363 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,520 But at the first few seconds, all you're doing 364 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,920 is just trying to hold on to your breathing and your body 365 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,960 and your nostrils and everything. 366 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,240 It's a rush, right? 367 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,680 It's a full rush, just like a good when 368 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,240 you're smoking tobacco, there's a rush to that. 369 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,760 But this was that on steroids. 370 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:49,120 And the first time I did it, it was a milder, let's say, 371 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:49,920 example. 372 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,440 And I did purge after that a little bit later. 373 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,040 And it was a little bit of a purge. 374 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,120 But the second night, Bailey, it was a little bit more 375 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:03,040 significant in that I literally had to lean over and just 376 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:03,640 let it go. 377 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,320 And the thing that I would say is it's about the breathing 378 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,920 and about just being in that moment and embracing it. 379 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,520 And the beauty of it was once that purge happened, 380 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,160 that's when you felt like you could just be free. 381 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,760 It's where you could just now start 382 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,240 to experience things around you. 383 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,200 It's where you've felt people. 384 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,640 I went outside and I just hung out 385 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,320 with some fellow practitioners or what have you. 386 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,800 The moon was breathing and was a beautiful lotus blossom. 387 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,480 It was a feminine night. 388 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,280 It was amazing. 389 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,640 It was absolutely incredible. 390 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,520 And it was a catalyst for me because I 391 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,080 was a little stuck, right? 392 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,240 And so I would recommend that. 393 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,080 And have some tobacco experience before you go in 394 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,440 if you're ever going to try that. 395 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,800 But I will say that it was very helpful for me. 396 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,040 I thought the hopate was invigorating. 397 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Yes. 398 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,480 Essentially a snuff that they blow into your nostrils 399 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,040 with a pipe. 400 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,600 And it's very much a ceremony. 401 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,680 It's like an experience the way that he created that. 402 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,560 And it's like Rich said, it's like the back of your mind 403 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,560 is just blown out. 404 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,920 And I think what it does, how I took it, 405 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:28,040 is it's this sensation of what aliveness feels like. 406 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,880 It's like all your senses are on firing on all cylinders. 407 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,520 And it kind of woke me up to getting out of the way. 408 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,960 Because I had just vomited. 409 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,160 I had just purged. 410 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,040 And then I did it. 411 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,160 And it was like a whole new chapter 412 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,360 to go into because I was still feeling the ayahuasca pretty 413 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:45,680 intently. 414 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,760 And then it created a great shift for me to kind of, OK, 415 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,920 move past the purge. 416 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,160 Now I've got the freedom to really say, OK, 417 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,800 what is the rest of this night alive? 418 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,440 The whole element of the experience 419 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,680 was like the music. 420 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,760 And the second night, we did a lot more dancing and just 421 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,600 kind of this sense of community that the whole ceremony. 422 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,600 I think that's the thing. 423 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,080 It's not just the ayahuasca. 424 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,360 It's the ceremony that brings so much of the intention 425 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,240 to the process. 426 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,360 And I want to commend you guys because I 427 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,880 walked away telling Rich, I said, 428 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,720 the thing that captured me the most 429 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,360 was your level of intentionality to that space. 430 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,120 Because I've been doing this a lot of times. 431 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,280 And I've seen both sides of that. 432 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,000 And you guys carried it so wonderfully when 433 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,000 people were having hard times. 434 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,200 Share a little bit about how you've 435 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,600 crafted that since you started it to create what. 436 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Did you guys copy the ceremonies that you've learned 437 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,160 or have you added to them? 438 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,480 How have you guys grown that? 439 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,200 Yeah, absolutely. 440 00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:02,560 We copied from several different shamans and facilitators. 441 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,640 And we've also learned what to do and what not to do. 442 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,400 And I feel like Bailey and I, our intention 443 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,560 is to fully come from love. 444 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:20,280 We have some technical stuff, some container structure, 445 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,040 things like that. 446 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,800 But just really, we want this place to be where we fully 447 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:32,160 come to love and help people move into their heart space 448 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:40,360 and just to try to have, for lack of a better word, 449 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:44,720 maybe high vibrational space. 450 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,440 Where we're really holding a space where our intention is 451 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,760 to bring in their high vibration or to bring in higher self, 452 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,320 to bring in God, to bring in love, 453 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,280 and just like the medicine is, to be the medicine, 454 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,320 to reflect the medicine, to reflect love, to reflect God, 455 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,320 and hold that space. 456 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,040 And not against the shadow or the darkness at all, 457 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,480 because that's going to be something that comes out 458 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,720 for us to all love and integrate and meet. 459 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,040 So. 460 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,880 Yeah, the container is important. 461 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,240 It's because people need to feel contained and safe 462 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,040 and be able to open up and be vulnerable. 463 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,520 And so we don't have a fixed container 464 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,160 that's protecting people, but it's 465 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,640 the intention in the whole space and knowing 466 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,320 what to do with certain times. 467 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,960 We're really hands off, because it's 468 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,040 a personal experience between you and the medicine. 469 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,240 And so we're hands off unless there 470 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,240 needs to be something, a movement of something, 471 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,760 of an energy to keep the container sturdy. 472 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,480 And we had several moments like that in the ceremony. 473 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,920 When do you decide to participate in what's going on? 474 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,880 Because you set the intention, let everybody 475 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,160 have their own experience. 476 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,360 But when do you decide to participate 477 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:13,560 in what they're doing? 478 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,320 What's going on to make you answer that question? 479 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,120 If someone asks specifically. 480 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,080 Of course. 481 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,960 And then if someone's really going through it 482 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,400 or making a lot of sounds, I'll check in on them 483 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,720 and make sure that they're OK. 484 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,160 Also, if someone's making a lot of sounds, 485 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,000 we'll ask them to go to a different space 486 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,320 so that the container in the room can stay, where everybody 487 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,040 can experience their own personal journey 488 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,800 and not the other person's. 489 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,960 Although, that can happen too. 490 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,320 We're all in the room together, and the group heals the group. 491 00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:00,120 And the group is what is outside of us is inside of us. 492 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,280 So if they showed up, your experience 493 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,120 is a little piece that you want to work on 494 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:04,960 and you want to see. 495 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000 And there's a shadow in that. 496 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,560 But yeah, I guess those two things. 497 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,440 Yeah. 498 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,600 Yeah, it can be tricky, right? 499 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:19,640 Because sometimes people need to go through certain experiences. 500 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,760 And who knows what that looks like. 501 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,080 And so it might be some noise and stuff. 502 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,600 But it's something they might, in that moment, 503 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,040 they need to go through. 504 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520 And like Andy was saying, we're all intertwined. 505 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,040 And so we all end up, our journeys, 506 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,880 weave together in this experience. 507 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,760 And so someone's going through something on the other side. 508 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,680 And you're sitting up here struggling. 509 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,160 And they're purging really loud. 510 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,240 That might be something that you needed over there. 511 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,320 It's like, oh, I needed to purge, but he's doing it for me. 512 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,480 I really appreciate that. 513 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,120 And so when we step in, it's OK. 514 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,960 It might be disturbing the whole room. 515 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800 Something we might need to move the safety out so people 516 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,760 can stay in their zone, in their place. 517 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600 And so we try a bunch of stuff before we actually, 518 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,120 well, let's take you to a place where you can kind of express 519 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,200 freely without having to worry about being a disturbance. 520 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,960 So we'll come around with Agua De Frida or Palo Santo, 521 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,120 just trying to clear energy. 522 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,720 Or maybe tobacco might help. 523 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,240 But if it's consistent, then we'll 524 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,120 take them to a different space so they can really 525 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,800 go through that experience that they need to go through. 526 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,080 I felt that, specifically with the drum and then Bailey, 527 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,080 when you played the ukulele, there was something magical. 528 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,000 And it was a transition. 529 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,920 It was a movement to move others and to move yourselves. 530 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,920 And sometimes it involved people getting around. 531 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,560 And sometimes it was individual, right? 532 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,440 And so sometimes you're center stage. 533 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,240 But I think one of the things that was so profound to me, 534 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,560 and again, this is what's crazy. 535 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,000 It's the dieta beforehand. 536 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,040 It's the intention you bring to the ceremony. 537 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,760 It's the smudging. 538 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,240 It's the actual ayahuasca. 539 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,240 It's the music. 540 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,040 It's the ebb and the flow and the ceremony itself, right? 541 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960 So that's, again, a huge distinction 542 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,680 between this and anything else you might do out there. 543 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,200 And what I loved about it is that whatever you knew, 544 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,440 whatever you've experienced, whatever somebody literally 545 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,600 and explicitly comes to you, sometimes it just seemed to flow. 546 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040 And you just felt the people. 547 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000 And there was this wrestling and striving sometimes. 548 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000 And then they were just relaxing and everybody 549 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,560 was in themselves. 550 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,600 And then it would rise up to something very funny. 551 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,680 And we were laughing. 552 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360 And I think that's part of the magic, right? 553 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,760 And that's why I have to do this again. 554 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Not only because I need to go deeper into the shadow, 555 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,840 but also just to have the experience 556 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,720 and to just learn from what Pachamama has to show us more. 557 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,600 One of the things that you brought up Jesus before, Annie, 558 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,280 and one of the things that Christians believe 559 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,280 is at the end of the day, the good guys will come back 560 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,960 and there will be no more shadow and darkness. 561 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,600 And there'll be this kind of eschaton, right? 562 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,600 Where there's this new Jerusalem and Zoroastrianism, I think. 563 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,040 And like, if you think about the force, 564 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,280 it's always a duality, right? 565 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,760 It's always light and dark. 566 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,000 What do the indigenous tribes 567 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,960 and what has your experience been? 568 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400 Is there a place where there will be no shadow anymore, 569 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880 that we will have the light finally, 570 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,880 we'll get rid of it all and we'll be able to live 571 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240 in this amazing kind of thing? 572 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960 What's your thought on that kind of stuff? 573 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,920 I mean, no stone will be left unturned, right, 574 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,280 when we reconcile with God. 575 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,800 So all the shadows will be revealed. 576 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,480 All the, you know, when we, 577 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,640 and that is reconciling with God, I think. 578 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,480 Okay. 579 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,880 Meeting the wound, meeting the shadow, 580 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,360 that is the reconciliation. 581 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,800 That's the balance. 582 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,600 That's the, it's all the same, you know? 583 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,400 Well, you even shared with me 584 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,760 that your whole idea was around church. 585 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320 Yeah, because your whole idea of you could see this 586 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,960 turning into a church and a community. 587 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,280 I felt that. 588 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,600 There is a deep sense of church. 589 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160 I've said to you, that was the greatest church experience 590 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,640 I've ever had. 591 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520 Because of the level of intentionality that you've created. 592 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,560 And I grew up in the church. 593 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,920 I have a degree in theology. 594 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,920 I went to a Christian college. 595 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,160 You know, it's like, it's the experience. 596 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,160 What's that? 597 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,960 I was a worship leader. 598 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,160 Yeah. Wow. 599 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,000 I was talking about Ben. 600 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Yes. 601 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,240 And where music comes from, yeah. 602 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320 And your voice is still beautiful. 603 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,680 And like vineyard, yeah. 604 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,920 Vineyard, huh? 605 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,760 Yeah. 606 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,120 Oh, charismatic, very charismatic. 607 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,960 Oh yeah. 608 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,400 Charismatic, and we did the whole speaking in tongues. 609 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,600 100%. 610 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,880 Now we're familiar with all that. 611 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,160 Yeah, there was, what's his name? 612 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,520 Down in Van Nuys. 613 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,440 Oh my gosh. 614 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,960 He was Church of the Ways or something like that. 615 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Oh, forgot his name. 616 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,960 But yeah, it was, I mean, that's what, 617 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800 I mean, that kind of yearning and groaning, 618 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,200 the whole, the earth, all creation is groaning. 619 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,760 That's what's happening right now. 620 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,760 It's groaning and yearning and it's waking up mentally, 621 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,800 but also in its own, in its gut, right? 622 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,080 That's the groaning is like a woman in childbirth. 623 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,680 That's the kind of description you get out of scripture. 624 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,520 And it seems like a rebirth is coming on, right? 625 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,920 And I think this is a way to facilitate that, right? 626 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,000 Yeah, it is. 627 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,760 It's a teacher. 628 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,120 It connects us with God. 629 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,560 It connects us with the truth. 630 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,200 It connects us, it teaches us how to meet ourselves, 631 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,600 meet the darkness that's been hidden, you know? 632 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,720 Yeah, I think it's totally, 633 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,800 I'm very grateful that I have a background 634 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,920 in reading the Bible because it all makes sense now. 635 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,960 Like the living word makes a lot more sense 636 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,040 when you have the experience of God, 637 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,560 when you actually have not someone teaching you 638 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,040 and telling you from words 639 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,840 and the mind connecting with it, 640 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,840 but connecting it from your soul, your whatever words, 641 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,960 your light, your truth. 642 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360 It's a different experience. 643 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,320 It's nice to have all of that going on for me personally. 644 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,200 I don't know if I answered your question though. 645 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,040 What did it- 646 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,120 No, you did. 647 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,600 It's beautiful, yeah. 648 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,480 Bailey, what was your experience of God growing up? 649 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,120 Was it new when you had the ceremony 650 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,920 or did you sort of have a background? 651 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,040 You know, I had a little bit. 652 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,240 I go to church ever so often. 653 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,240 And then when I was going through my depression, 654 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,640 I really got into like reading the Bible 655 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920 and Christian apologetics and all that stuff. 656 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,920 And I found a really good church. 657 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,320 And, but that was the extent of it really. 658 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,640 I mean, I still, I love the New Testament. 659 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,040 Like Romans always makes me feel good. 660 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,400 But yeah. 661 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,240 There's some heavy theological stuff in Romans, 662 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,680 but there is some really good, 663 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,840 that's amazing stuff in there, right? 664 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,280 Because I think that was the thing that 665 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120 I would encourage anybody going through the ceremony, 666 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,640 prepare to meet God. 667 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,120 Mama I is this divine feminine that kind of is a teacher, 668 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,280 but at the same time is not gonna let you 669 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,520 hold on to your bullshit. 670 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,080 And I think I had a very, 671 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,720 the second night I had a very present experience. 672 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,240 I went through my purge 673 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,200 and I didn't have anything happen visually. 674 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360 The first night I had a lot of visual first, 675 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,960 but the second night it was all second. 676 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,080 And then I purged, I laid down and I closed my eyes 677 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,200 and my third eye just opened. 678 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,200 The visuals were intense, but it wasn't just the visuals. 679 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800 It was the presence of God. 680 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,680 And I saw this orb that looked like a, 681 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,480 it was just this, it looked like a lava lamp 682 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,720 going in 16 different directions, kind of like that. 683 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:14,440 And I knew it was God. 684 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,600 Have you guys had that experience going through this? 685 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,840 I mean, yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm full on awakenings 686 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,600 over and over and over again. 687 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,440 And it's- 688 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,960 Because that's the intent of why I think this is medicine 689 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,280 is it almost gives you the possibility 690 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,200 to kind of cut through all the bullshit and experience God. 691 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,200 And I know a lot of people that were there with us 692 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,720 had that type of experience. 693 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,640 Yeah, yeah, it was a beautiful weekend. 694 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,280 It really, really was. 695 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,440 It removes like that separation feeling. 696 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,280 Yes, yes. 697 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,120 Yes. 698 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,520 Yes. 699 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,200 Yes, that's the best way I would describe it 700 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,920 is there was no barrier between God and myself. 701 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,160 I was part and connected to God. 702 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,840 And it was, this is the way it is. 703 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,400 It's not their separateness. 704 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,680 This is the way it is. 705 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,440 So it was ushering into that experience of I am part of God. 706 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,800 I don't have to worry about this disconnection anymore. 707 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,440 It's this connectivity that is so intense 708 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,400 because you can't ignore the feelings 709 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,880 that come with those experiences. 710 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,080 You have all these visuals, 711 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,400 but it brings this intense feeling of belonging 712 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,240 and connection that is so profound. 713 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:42,240 And I would ask, you guys also took it, 714 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,760 but you guys have been doing this 715 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,240 hundreds of hundreds of times. 716 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,560 Do you guys still purge or go through that? 717 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640 Cause you were acting more as moderators, 718 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,880 but you took it with us. 719 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,320 What is your experience going through it 720 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,320 during the ceremony? 721 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,440 You know, intention, like intention for us, 722 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,080 where our intention is to be of service 723 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,160 and to hold space and do all that stuff. 724 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,640 So the medicine like shows up in that way for us. 725 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,280 And so we got to do our work in the jungle. 726 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,720 We'll go and do the yeti 727 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,680 and that's where we tap into our stuff. 728 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,640 But when we're in ceremony, holding ceremony, 729 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,760 it's like the intentions all just to be there 730 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,680 and be present with everyone. 731 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,680 And so the medicine like just keeps us in line. 732 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,680 Yeah, you just take enough 733 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,120 so that you're in communication with spirit, 734 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,600 with medicine, with what you guys are also, 735 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,440 we're all together networking in the vine, right? 736 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,440 And then I'm being guided more because I'm more open. 737 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,760 You know, so, and then, but the whole, yeah, 738 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,320 the intentions to help you guys hold the space 739 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,360 and channel the music, you know, 740 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,280 that comes from spirit as much as possible, 741 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,280 to be a vessel. 742 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,960 No, you were transformed, Annie. 743 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,320 I described that the sonorousness of your voice was, 744 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,840 it was definitely a magical, it was very special in terms, 745 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,800 and then how you would resonate with some of your, 746 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,640 your more experienced people who are around there 747 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,760 and just the, and when Bailey, you got involved, 748 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,320 it was just incredible in terms of that synergy 749 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,320 you were totally in, in the zone, so to speak, right? 750 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,840 That in this spirit, in that particular process. 751 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,640 One of the things I wanted to ask is, 752 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,640 have you heard and experienced any really cool experiences 753 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,880 where Mama Aya is kind of present even afterwards 754 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,520 in the integration period where some magic takes place 755 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,840 afterwards, like in between or like days after, 756 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,920 because I certainly felt something happen 757 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,040 that was kind of like, whoa, I was hiding that 758 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,880 and it came out and it's not hiding anymore. 759 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,600 That's so, I wanted to ask you guys, 760 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,960 if you've seen or felt something where she's working 761 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,760 after it's all over. 762 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,720 We're all always, always, always. 763 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,720 Mother Ayahuasca spirit, you know, once you choose, 764 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:17,880 you know, the intention's everything. 765 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,200 You choose, you wanna open up, 766 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,280 you wanna connect with God, you wanna know the truth, 767 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,840 you wanna see how we're connected. 768 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,160 You're gonna see how we're connected. 769 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,640 We're gonna see the signs and synchronicities 770 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,760 and the gifts from God and the gifts from spirit 771 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,200 and how this person said this at the same time as this. 772 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,400 And more and more and more you're open, 773 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,400 the more those miracles, you know, become the way, you know. 774 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,240 All the understanding doesn't just all come to you 775 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,000 right there in ceremonies. 776 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560 It's when you get back and you're like, oh, okay. 777 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,400 That makes sense now. 778 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,360 That you start connecting the dots once you get home 779 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,160 and softening it into it. 780 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,400 All the, okay, you start connecting the dots 781 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,400 and it starts making sense. 782 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,000 And that, like a lot of people call it the glow. 783 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,720 Like the after glow. 784 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,880 It's like just you're radiating, you're like feeling so good. 785 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,880 It's still the medicine still flowing through you. 786 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,320 And so. 787 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,520 Yeah, are you guys getting the after glow? 788 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,960 Well, I had an experience where I think that I was 789 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,440 hiding something still and not fully pulled it out. 790 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,240 And it came to the surface and it was a breath of fresh air 791 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,520 that it was out in the open. 792 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,720 And it was kind of discussed with my wife. 793 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,040 And there was a little bit of servant stuff that I did, 794 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,800 you know, in terms of just otherness, you know, 795 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,440 and selflessness where you're feeling, you know, 796 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,720 that it's not just about you, you know. 797 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,480 It feels like it's good to serve, you know, 798 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,520 outside of that space. 799 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,440 But I wouldn't say that it was like, you know, 800 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,600 I sat under the Bodhi tree and, you know, 801 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,760 and I'm walking around, you know, weightless. 802 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,000 I'm not expecting that. 803 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,200 But certainly there was some magic happening after the fact. 804 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,040 Yeah, my friend, she just says, 805 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600 each time you get to spend those moments with God, 806 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,320 blesses God so much. 807 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,040 Like times that we do ceremony, we connect. 808 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,920 Like it blesses God a thousand times. 809 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,200 I don't know what the number was, but yeah, 810 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,520 each little pocket. 811 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,760 Saturday was a profound day for me 812 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,360 because I felt like I had lifted off something 813 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,800 and I didn't even know what it was 814 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,200 because I had violent poops. 815 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,840 And it was like something was trying to get out of my body. 816 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,920 And I mean, it was truly violent. 817 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,920 And Saturday I was like, 818 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,000 because I lost 10 pounds from the trip. 819 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,000 And it was this deep sense of peace 820 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,240 as I just sat there in the living room of the house 821 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,480 and everybody was kind of walking around, 822 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,400 having a little breakfast throughout the day. 823 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,800 Rich and I sat outside, he was smoking a cigarette. 824 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,760 And it was just this, wow, 825 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,440 to be reminded of what it feels like to let go of something 826 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,480 that I shouldn't have been holding on to. 827 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,800 It's like, it's a heavy weight that once it's lifted, 828 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,640 you're like, oh man, why am I holding onto that? 829 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,200 And I didn't have a deep sense of what it was, 830 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,200 whatever my body was releasing. 831 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,240 And I felt that glow all week. 832 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:21,360 And I did, it was just, and I could see, 833 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,440 Annie, you and I had a conversation around starting a church 834 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,960 or some kind of community 835 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,320 that can support that integration process. 836 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,520 Cause I think what happens is you go back to the world 837 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,920 and the world takes over. 838 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,880 And not having that sense of consistent dialogue 839 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,840 creates a space where it's like, oh, wait a minute. 840 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,720 I need that intentionality in my life 841 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:45,840 because I don't think the world 842 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,000 likes that level of intentionality. 843 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,000 And it's so, I loved that vision that you had 844 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,680 because I've experienced communities like that. 845 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,720 That was probably the most healing moment I've had 846 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,480 in probably 10 or 15 years. 847 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,120 And I was deeply grateful for it. 848 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,200 What is your vision going forward with communities like this? 849 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,560 I don't know how much you wanna share, 850 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,400 but what would you like to see happen? 851 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,400 I mean, I would like to see it, I mean, for lack of a better 852 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,800 word, church or a spiritual community, 853 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,800 would like to see that being in everybody's, 854 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:31,120 at least in lots of cities, like around the country. 855 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,120 And so that people can experience God, 856 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,240 like have the experience of God through ceremony, 857 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:40,880 through this teacher plant. 858 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,880 And then also have each other to talk to about it. 859 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,880 So that when they go back to their regular lives 860 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,400 to integrate, it's like, do you want to integrate into that? 861 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,400 Again, for lack of a better word, lower vibration 862 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,400 or like the matrix or the mind, the conditioned way of being, 863 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,960 or do you wanna be around people who are connecting 864 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,960 and learning and trying to open up their heart space more 865 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,680 and not doing the grind, and that this is normal, 866 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,240 this is life. 867 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,880 And so to have that reflection to come to on a regular basis 868 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,880 and walk people through integrating or how to process 869 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,440 their shadows and their life experiences. 870 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,160 And just almost just to see like, this is normal. 871 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,600 Coming together, playing music, loving one another, 872 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,200 supporting each other, this is normal. 873 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,040 Yes. 874 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,360 That's not normal. 875 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,360 The other thing is not normal, this is normal. 876 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,360 And so to have that community to bring this into normalcy. 877 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,720 If you go back to the concept of normal, 878 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:57,440 tribes used to use ayahuasca to heal the people 879 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,080 that just came back from battles or had family wars 880 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,760 or had family arguments. 881 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,640 It's the intention of it is over found good. 882 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,160 That's what I love about it. 883 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,000 Yeah. 884 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,560 Its intention is to heal. 885 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,320 We're like going back to the early church. 886 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,720 The early church was these small communities 887 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,000 that loved and served. 888 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,520 And when there was a plague, 889 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,520 the Christians would go pull them babies off the heaps, 890 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,640 that they treated women well. 891 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,960 And they had these small house churches. 892 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,520 Then Constantine came along 893 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,280 and then it became a big powerful machine. 894 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,280 And we're trying to go back to the original, 895 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,360 back to the source, if you would. 896 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,320 Go back to the community of humility and love 897 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,040 and not about power and about all these things. 898 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,480 I mean, there's a sense of power in that. 899 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,360 The power is love and the power is in community 900 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,800 and helping each other out. 901 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,560 I just felt that way. 902 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,880 Your dad, Timothy, I was hugging him the first night, 903 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,760 Bailey. 904 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,600 I love the man. 905 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,960 I love that you guys are our blood. 906 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,960 And just I've kept in touch with a semi. 907 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,080 Unfortunately, Nikki left right away. 908 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,680 I was hoping she was gonna stay an extra day, 909 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,400 but we had some fun times just chatting. 910 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,760 And I thought I was just money milling business, 911 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,480 just walk into the Kaibo. 912 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,160 And then I just launched my largest vomit 913 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,600 that I can remember in a long time. 914 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,920 And we were all laughing about it. 915 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,600 It's like, all right, I'm watering 916 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,520 that little plant right there. 917 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,520 But that's the thing that I think we need to foster. 918 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,640 And I see, obviously people came back that last night, 919 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,760 you had Adrienne and a few others who shared a lot. 920 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,920 And one of the things that she mentioned 921 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,880 that second night was the sense of community. 922 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,880 We were helping out Dave 923 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,080 because he was going through a lot. 924 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,040 And Ana and you were right there with him. 925 00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,840 That was a lot that night. 926 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,200 And for those moments of the waning hours of the night 927 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200 where there was just a lot going on. 928 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,200 And it was great that we were able to be that community. 929 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,200 And it was one of those things 930 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,160 where it was less about me and Jonathan, 931 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,920 I think, and more about that. 932 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,800 But I got a lot of work to do. 933 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,200 We gotta go back and we gotta do this again 934 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,320 and dig in some more, lean in. 935 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,840 Hey, I wanted to ask you guys, 936 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,560 what's one of your favorite stories about doing this? 937 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,520 Cause you guys have led hundreds of ceremonies. 938 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,680 What's one of your favorite stories? 939 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,840 Oh gosh. 940 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,960 Like of our personal journeys or something? 941 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,120 In terms of something you, 942 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,840 it can be from your own experience 943 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,560 or something that you've witnessed 944 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,560 that really made you realize this is good. 945 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,240 It's always like that. 946 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,560 It's always like that. 947 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,040 It's always like that. 948 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,320 Each weekend tops the last weekend. 949 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,120 You're like, 950 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,960 I missed episodes. 951 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,800 They just get better. 952 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,160 Like this was the best one ever. 953 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,320 How can it get any better? 954 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,160 It is like that. 955 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,600 I'm like, this is the best weekend we've had so far. 956 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,400 Just seeing people go through the experience 957 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,880 when they show up, how they are and then when they leave, 958 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,760 you know, that just, it's so like, 959 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,520 it gives us so much. It doesn't get old. 960 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,360 It doesn't get old. 961 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,440 It doesn't get old. 962 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,480 Like I think we have some funny, goofy stories, 963 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,480 but you know, 964 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,440 but as far as just, 965 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,360 you know, the miracles of the miracles, 966 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,960 like it is nice to be outside. 967 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,480 Sometimes we get to be outside and watch the stars. 968 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,800 We've seen some like things that look like spaceships 969 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,560 and comets and comet spaceships. 970 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,640 You know, we've had those weekends where, 971 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,400 well, that one was a doozy, 972 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,880 but it was like, it was powerful and it's going right. 973 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,880 You know, and we get a lot of learnings in the doozy's. 974 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,400 Like what's a doozy? 975 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,280 Like it's a, like a Friday night, but with, you know, 976 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,880 just a lot of energy, a lot of healing going on 977 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,040 where it's like, okay. 978 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,280 Everybody's, oh yeah. 979 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,400 Like we had in the other church that we were in, 980 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,040 there was like, I called it like a spiritual ER 981 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,560 because like everybody needed help. 982 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,240 So where like all the musicians stopped playing 983 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,760 and everybody was getting helped. 984 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,080 And it was pretty wild. 985 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,000 Everybody was like, oh my God, you know, 986 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,440 but I haven't had one of those in a while, 987 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,520 but that one was fun. 988 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,840 And you do have moments where you have to separate people 989 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,480 who are, because there's a lot of trauma that does come up. 990 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,440 How do you help people work through their trauma 991 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,480 when it's coming out? 992 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,840 Because we had a lot of people that were going through, 993 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,440 they were moaning, they were crying, they were wrestling. 994 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,880 How do you help people go through that? 995 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,040 Is it, you're just present 996 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,040 or are you helping them process it? 997 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:04,960 What are you doing? 998 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,440 A lot, just a lot. 999 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,840 So like we said earlier, you know, 1000 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,880 maybe they just need help moving some energy. 1001 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,720 And so really some polos alto or tobacco or, you know, 1002 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,320 like Aguadilla Florida. 1003 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,680 But some people just need to come back to themselves. 1004 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,680 They're, you know, they're not wanting to surrender 1005 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,480 so they get stuck in a loop or stuck in whatever. 1006 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,720 Cause they're not wanting to let go of something 1007 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,520 or they're scared to look at something. 1008 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,920 And so it's getting them to come back 1009 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,000 and to not be scared of what's going on, 1010 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,640 but to look at it and process it. 1011 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,160 Because yeah, what do you? 1012 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,080 Yeah. 1013 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,080 I mean, it's tricky, like traditionally, 1014 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,840 you don't really talk in ceremony. 1015 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,680 Right, right. 1016 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,480 We do from time to time, like I'll remind someone 1017 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,480 to go into their body and focus on their breath. 1018 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,760 Everything that's looped out, 1019 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,280 people who are having trouble, it's just their thinking. 1020 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,480 They're judging, they're thinking, 1021 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,880 they're judging their pain, they're judging 1022 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,240 and they loop in it. 1023 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,520 And I guess I'm simplifying it if you go deeper than that, 1024 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,120 but that's more or less what's going on. 1025 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,240 So if you can just get into the breath, get into the body, 1026 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,680 feel the breathing and just stay 1027 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:38,440 in that present moment space, you're feeling what wants 1028 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,320 to show up, you're being present for what wants to show up 1029 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,560 and then that shadow can dance, that energy can move. 1030 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,200 So it's like a big one that I recommend for people to do. 1031 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,080 But things like tobacco and Palo Santo, 1032 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,960 it's supposed to clear the mind. 1033 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,760 It's supposed to, like when I gave you the sopla, 1034 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,200 it was just to clear the mind so that the body 1035 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,200 can go back into the body and feel what wants to feel. 1036 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,680 So I don't think, God doesn't live anywhere else 1037 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,880 but in the present moment. 1038 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,840 Let's meet God, how do we do that? 1039 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,680 We breathe, we go into our body, we stay present 1040 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,640 and all that other stuff, demons and hell realm, 1041 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,480 I don't know. 1042 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,040 I like using different languages for all this stuff, 1043 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,040 but yeah, that's the issue is that realm. 1044 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,320 And it gets exasperated by where we've stored traumas 1045 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,200 in our bodies, right? 1046 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,240 So it comes up. 1047 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,800 So yeah, all those things, the Palo Santo, 1048 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,440 just singing and moving energy in the room can help 1049 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,920 just kind of stir it. 1050 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,760 One person over there purging can help that person 1051 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,040 over there, because it's an energy that's being cleared 1052 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,320 and felt together collectively and all the issues that, 1053 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,560 I feel like I'm changing the subject. 1054 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,400 It's okay. 1055 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800 It's because of my other channel, I channel, 1056 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,400 like I just, bleh. 1057 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,160 You're sharing the experience. 1058 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,240 Let me ask you guys a question in terms of one of the things 1059 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,120 that was really profound for me, but I think like, 1060 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,600 as you just said, music can change the mood in the room. 1061 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,880 You guys are both musicians and singers. 1062 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,520 How did you learn to add to the value of the ceremony? 1063 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,440 Is that something that they trained you on 1064 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,160 or did you over time learn the music? 1065 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,040 Because I can honestly say your Ayahuasca song, Bailey, 1066 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,040 I have heard in my head a thousand times. 1067 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,360 It keeps coming back because it's such a simple, 1068 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,160 beautiful song, but I still have in my dreams. 1069 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,000 Of course. 1070 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:44,880 It's all the medicine. 1071 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,800 I didn't have any musical, anything. 1072 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,160 I didn't touch anything or sing or anything 1073 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,280 until the medicine, so I started doing this stuff. 1074 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,440 Wow. 1075 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,960 And so that's amazing. 1076 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:56,800 Yeah. 1077 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,320 I mean, literally healing cancer, musical ability. 1078 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,240 I think that that's kind of underrepresented 1079 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:06,880 in terms of the kinds of things that it can do. 1080 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,760 Everybody thinks in terms of trauma, 1081 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,280 like you relive the pain of when you were six years old 1082 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,600 and it's lived and it's buried down there 1083 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,280 and you wonder why your life is fucked up and boom. 1084 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,360 Some things that you might not even be aware, right? 1085 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,600 There's things that you know happen 1086 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,000 and then there's things that there are some like channel, 1087 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,480 like in Inception, where you've got Leonardo DiCaprio. 1088 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,840 Have you guys seen the movie Inception 1089 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,240 where he instills something in somebody's mind 1090 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,560 and he goes all the way deep. 1091 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,800 It's almost like going deep, deep, deep 1092 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,280 past the railroad tracks where his gal, Mal, is 1093 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,640 and he screwed her up in a bad way. 1094 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,880 And so what I'm getting at is, 1095 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,840 I mean, are people starting to see more? 1096 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,000 Because I mean, you'd almost want to say, 1097 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,920 hey, listen, here's the X-ray of this gal with breast cancer 1098 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,920 on Tuesday of last week and here's her X-ray on, 1099 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,920 Tuesday of two weeks later. 1100 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,880 It's like, I don't know if people just need that these days 1101 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,080 but you never really hear about those kinds 1102 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,560 of magical aspects of ayahuasca today in terms of, 1103 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,080 I had never heard of that kind of gift that she gives 1104 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,560 in terms of what you just described so far today. 1105 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,080 Are you seeing more of that or is it just commonplace 1106 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,160 and it's just one of those unspoken things? 1107 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,840 You know, it's already there 1108 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,960 and she's just kind of revealing it, right? 1109 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,080 She's removing the blockages and the layers to that, 1110 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,320 to your talents, to your medicine, your own medicine 1111 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,800 because you are the medicine. 1112 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,920 And so, yeah, she's, yeah. 1113 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,640 I heard a quote from Rumi today. 1114 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,720 It was in my Instagram feed and I'm paraphrasing 1115 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,560 but essentially is, your job isn't to get love. 1116 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,880 Your job is to remove the barriers that keep you 1117 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,720 from experiencing what's already there. 1118 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,280 And I think that's what you did is you, 1119 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,040 part of the ceremonies, for me at least, 1120 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,960 was I went in with an open heart and open mind, 1121 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,600 like, okay, I'm open to anything. 1122 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,760 And for you, it was like, hey, it removed a block to see, 1123 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,160 oh, I am musical. 1124 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,600 I have that part in me. 1125 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,280 And for me, it was really recognizing that 1126 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,880 so much of life is the blocks that I place 1127 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:16,960 in front of myself. 1128 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,000 My whole first night was about letting go 1129 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,880 of my own resistance. 1130 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,480 And I can see how a progression, 1131 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,440 I can see the value of three nights in a row. 1132 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,000 We only did two, that you can keep going down 1133 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,000 the rabbit hole and discovering more things to eliminate. 1134 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,040 Like, that's the intention. 1135 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,160 You're not going to get something. 1136 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,000 You're going to eliminate something 1137 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,320 that allows you to see everything. 1138 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,600 That's the matrix. 1139 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,440 Yeah. 1140 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,320 Neo always had the gift. 1141 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,480 He just, all the barriers just went away, right? 1142 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,600 And then, there was a NPR thing about this guy. 1143 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,720 It was called a hidden brain. 1144 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:59,720 This guy dove into a pool and cracked his skull open 1145 00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,000 on one of the steps in there. 1146 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,400 He didn't see it was there. 1147 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,280 He wakes up out of his coma, starts playing the piano 1148 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,160 like he's never played. 1149 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,960 Now that was a different kind of catalyst, 1150 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,680 but this is what we're opening the world to, 1151 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,400 is that we're realizing that if we lead with love, 1152 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,960 especially Bailey, I think you've learned once the trauma 1153 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,720 and the PTSD of the military and the things you do, 1154 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,680 once you lead with love, then all of a sudden, 1155 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,520 it's just opening. 1156 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,280 It's like, I always had this. 1157 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,640 Now, maybe your thumbnail wasn't that long before, 1158 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,200 so you could play the ukulele better, 1159 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:33,200 but I'm sure that we lean into that, right? 1160 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,800 Definitely. 1161 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,360 All this, everything is just coming back to yourself. 1162 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,880 Just always coming back to you. 1163 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,240 Yeah, we always had it all. 1164 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:43,200 We always had the love. 1165 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,760 We always had it. 1166 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,520 We always have it. 1167 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:47,360 We have it. 1168 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,880 Let me ask you guys this question. 1169 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,560 How is this journey? 1170 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,840 So, Bailey, I think you said 2016, 2015, 16, 1171 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,280 and Annie, when was your first time? 1172 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,320 Same thing. 1173 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,160 Same time. 1174 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,720 2016, yeah. 1175 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:07,240 My question is, how has the experience over the last 1176 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,760 eight years for both of you changed you guys? 1177 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,760 I guess for me, it's being able to separate out 1178 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,360 the character of Bailey that's been created 1179 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,920 and structured into a way that was causing 1180 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,120 a lot of suffering to me inside, 1181 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,960 because it wasn't me. 1182 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,520 It was a make-believe character that I've been. 1183 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,520 Yeah, exactly. 1184 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,240 And so, it's really removed just dissolving that character 1185 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,880 and letting my true self come out 1186 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,720 without the limitations of that box 1187 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,360 that that character put me into. 1188 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,120 And so, for me, it's just a constant removing of the layers 1189 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,280 of that character and finding myself 1190 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,200 and realizing I am everything that I need is within me. 1191 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,280 And whatever thoughts or beliefs that it's not there, 1192 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,880 it's the character, and I need to remove 1193 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,040 some more layers to that. 1194 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,920 And so, it's completely changed my life. 1195 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,960 I didn't know what I was doing or where I was going. 1196 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,520 And now I've found my way and service 1197 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,520 and just being a light for other people to find their way 1198 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,600 so they can find their light within them. 1199 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,120 Annie, what about you? 1200 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,480 Yeah. 1201 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,440 That's a really hard question to answer. 1202 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:36,360 I don't know why. 1203 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,600 I'm probably very similar as I was eight years ago, 1204 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,600 and yet, I don't need to... 1205 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,600 I'm less of a seeker in a sense that I don't need 1206 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,400 to figure anything out anymore. 1207 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,280 I don't need external validation like I used to. 1208 00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,720 So, I don't need to be anybody or anything to exist. 1209 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,880 I don't have those programs any longer. 1210 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,120 And so, I feel a lot less burdened and more free. 1211 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,320 I don't even have to, if I don't want to clean my room, 1212 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,280 I don't have to because there's not a voice telling me, 1213 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,400 or I'm not really fighting the voices telling me 1214 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,880 I'm no good because my room's a mess. 1215 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,560 I'm just giving you an example. 1216 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,040 Sure, yeah. 1217 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,200 But for anything, you need to make this kind of money, 1218 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,160 you need to have this kind of job, 1219 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,000 you need to be this kind of mother. 1220 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,080 I just don't have that so I can follow 1221 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,600 more instinctual impulses of what my spirit and soul 1222 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,680 wants to do in those moments. 1223 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,680 And I'm not getting caught behind so much of the doing, 1224 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,240 of the matrix of the conditioning. 1225 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,800 So, I've just missed. 1226 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,640 Yeah. 1227 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,400 And that's a big difference for me. 1228 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,280 Yeah, because we, over the course of this podcast, 1229 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,160 we've sort of listened to the definitions of the podcast. 1230 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,240 And I think the matrix is our perception 1231 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,760 of what everybody else thinks about us. 1232 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,400 And we're trying to control that. 1233 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,400 And by trying to engage that, we become controlled by it. 1234 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,640 So, we're trying to fulfill all those expectations. 1235 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,040 And to get out of the matrix is to, 1236 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,960 is not to leave it behind because we still live 1237 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,120 in the world that has all those voices, 1238 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,840 it's not to be controlled by them. 1239 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,120 And that's a very powerful place when the world can't 1240 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,800 control you because it's freedom, 1241 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,480 going back to what I think Jesus really was trying 1242 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,840 to communicate is the sense of freedom to be who you really 1243 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,840 are, which is part of God, which is you were created from God. 1244 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,920 And that freedom allows us not to have to worry about 1245 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,440 appeasing all those voices in our lives. 1246 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,520 And it sounds like you guys have really done that. 1247 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,760 I saw you guys are two of the most compassionate people 1248 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,080 I think I've ever met. 1249 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:56,920 Yeah. 1250 01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,080 So, honestly, I mean, that's my blessing to you 1251 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,720 because I think you guys really brought, 1252 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,880 again, I've been doing healing work for 30 years on myself 1253 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,320 and with other people, and I deeply appreciated 1254 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,160 the level of intentionality and you can only, 1255 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,080 and I've learned over those 30 years, 1256 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,000 you can't create the level of intentionality 1257 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,320 to create that level of compassion 1258 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,120 for a large group of people without a deep sense of love. 1259 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:27,520 So thank you. 1260 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,160 Yeah, and we all felt it. 1261 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,640 So Rich, any final questions? 1262 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,080 Well, I just knew the first time I chatted with Bailey, 1263 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,120 when he sent us all these, when he sent us a text, 1264 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,560 just to see if there were any questions, 1265 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,880 I just knew that it was going to be a good ride. 1266 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,880 And the thing that I think about going back to the scripture 1267 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,000 and he's like, seek ye first the kingdom of God 1268 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,520 and his righteousness and all these things 1269 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,560 will be given unto you, that's it. 1270 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,200 It's the kingdom, it's the kingdom within 1271 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,760 and it's this community and you seek that, 1272 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,240 you lead with love and everything else will fall into place. 1273 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,160 And that's, it's so simple, it's just timeless, right? 1274 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,120 And I think the more we spend time with each other 1275 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,680 and learn and share and love and even struggle through stuff, 1276 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,720 this is all part of the way, this is the way. 1277 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,920 And for our viewers, how do people find you 1278 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,160 and when is your next retreat? 1279 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,920 Yeah, so we're on Facebook, ayahuasca soul tribe. 1280 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,280 On Facebook, we have a Facebook page. 1281 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,280 Instagram is ayasoultribe.org. 1282 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,000 Yeah, ayasoultribe.org is our website, 1283 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,240 which will guide you to the Facebook and the Instagram 1284 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,200 if you wanna check out our next ceremonies in Joshua Tree, 1285 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,480 October 25th, six, seven, right? 1286 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,320 And... 1287 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,040 You have an option to join the tribe 1288 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,240 and we just will send out emails with updates 1289 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,040 and upcoming happenings and all that stuff. 1290 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,560 And I will put all of this in the show notes 1291 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,240 for anybody listening so you guys can click through. 1292 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,160 I know Rich and I and Dave talked about doing it again, 1293 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,160 because I think my journey is, 1294 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,200 I have a lingering thought of what was that third night 1295 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,400 not gonna be like, and I didn't do it. 1296 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,560 So I wanna continue the process, 1297 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,200 knowing there's more there for me to discover 1298 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,920 because I think it's something profound. 1299 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,360 So if any of our listeners wanna go, reach out to us, 1300 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,720 we will, cause we are planning on going again. 1301 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,280 Hey, I wanna thank you guys. 1302 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,840 Thank you so much for joining us. 1303 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,480 This has been one of my funest episodes. 1304 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,560 I mean that, it is, cause I love you guys. 1305 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:49,560 You guys are our medicine, you guys are our doctors. 1306 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,640 And you're our medicine people. 1307 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,440 I have a wonderfully deep appreciation for that. 1308 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:57,840 Yeah, thank you guys. 1309 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,160 Thanks Jonathan, thank you, Rich. 1310 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,000 It was an honor and a pleasure having y'all out there 1311 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:03,920 a couple of weekends ago. 1312 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,640 Y'all have great energy and looking forward 1313 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,480 to hearing more of your podcast. 1314 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,360 It's a beautiful thing that y'all are doing 1315 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,440 and speaking your truths. 1316 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,400 And so thank y'all so much. 1317 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,240 Yeah, absolutely. 1318 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,800 Rich, any final words? 1319 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,160 No, just I'm looking forward to a deeper journey. 1320 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,880 This has just been a kind of, 1321 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,080 we knew this is gonna be a fun episode, 1322 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,240 but at the same time, it's just reinforcing, 1323 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,360 a lot of things, right? 1324 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,280 And it's gonna be a fun ride. 1325 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,560 I'm looking forward to digging in more and learning more 1326 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,640 and eventually maybe, 1327 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,520 spending a lot more time in a community or a church, 1328 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:41,520 whatever we call it. 1329 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,480 And we actually build this little microcosm 1330 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,280 bigger and bigger at a time. 1331 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,880 The world needs this. 1332 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,560 They need this experience. 1333 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:54,560 There's so much pain and trauma and stuckness, right? 1334 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,160 There's a lot of people stuck out there 1335 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,200 and why not embrace it 1336 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,400 and see what that could look like and envision it, yeah. 1337 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,760 Yeah, so I wanna say to all of our listeners, 1338 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,600 this is probably the one time I'm gonna say it 1339 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,600 is I recommend this for anybody 1340 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:14,480 who wants to be intentional about transforming their lives. 1341 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,840 It's probably one of the very best experiences 1342 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,200 I have ever had that you just participate in. 1343 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,120 And if you can face your fear 1344 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,160 and overcome your own sense of, 1345 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,280 ooh, is this voodoo? 1346 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,520 It's not. 1347 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,160 It's medicine. 1348 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,120 And it was medicine for me. 1349 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,920 So for those who are listening, 1350 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,600 please just take a look at it 1351 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,600 because if it's something that your spirit 1352 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,680 and your body needs, it is profound. 1353 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,000 And my experience and Rich's experience 1354 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,520 and Dave's experience and a lot of the community's experience 1355 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,320 was profound. 1356 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,360 And that happens over and over and over. 1357 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,440 I think this is growing 1358 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,600 and I encourage anybody to look, follow Bailey and Annie, 1359 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,480 listen to what's going on and check it out 1360 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,960 because it has tremendous value 1361 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,360 that is way outside of the matrix, 1362 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,400 but it is one of the very best ways, 1363 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,120 I think, to introduce you to life outside of the matrix. 1364 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,640 So for all of our listeners, please subscribe, comment. 1365 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,800 Let us know if you would like to join us 1366 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,760 on the retreat in Joshua Tree coming up, 1367 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:19,580 please let us know. 1368 01:06:19,580 --> 01:06:22,520 We'd love to host you and have you come along with us. 1369 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,840 To Bailey and Annie, thank you so much for joining us. 1370 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,760 This has been an absolute wonderful experience 1371 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,320 and much love everybody. 1372 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,160 Have a great weekend. 1373 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:36,160 Thank you.