1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,400 I'm the Matrix, I'm Jonathan, and I'm left of center. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,000 And I'm Rich, and I tend to lean a little bit more 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,380 to the right, but the bottom line is, is together, 4 00:00:08,380 --> 00:00:10,160 we try to look for the balance of what it means 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,840 to be human in today's world. 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,280 All right, let's get started. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,720 Welcome to Living in the Matrix, everyone. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,680 I'm Jonathan, this is my co-host Rich. 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,040 Say hello, Rich. 10 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,760 Hey everybody, happy 4th of July. 11 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,040 Happy 4th of July weekend. 12 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,580 Looking forward to having a great time 13 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:27,380 and celebrating our great nation. 14 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:28,320 Cheers. Absolutely. 15 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,400 You know, it's interesting living in the times 16 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,440 because we are kind of in a unique time. 17 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,400 I'm glad you started that. 18 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,480 I love the 4th of July. 19 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:42,040 I think it's probably one of the most interesting 20 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,560 holidays we have, but we have sort of an interesting season 21 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,880 that we're in, and one of the things 22 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,360 that we're gonna do today is we're gonna talk 23 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,140 about three or four topics. 24 00:00:54,140 --> 00:00:55,600 We love these topic conversations 25 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,720 because they really bring out a lot of really interesting 26 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,880 thoughts, and so the first one we wanna dive into 27 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,360 is we just had a debate. 28 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:07,760 My question for you is how are you incorporating 29 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,240 these developments into your decision to stay? 30 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,280 And separately, what concerns do you have 31 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,160 about Vice President Harris's ability to beat Donald Trump 32 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,560 if she were at the top of the ticket? 33 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,760 Look, I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump 34 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,760 to be Vice President till I think she was not qualified 35 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,760 to be President, so let's start there. 36 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,760 Number one, the fact is that the consideration 37 00:01:36,580 --> 00:01:39,160 is that I think I'm the most qualified person 38 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,020 to run for President. 39 00:01:41,020 --> 00:01:44,520 I beat him once, and I will beat him again. 40 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,160 What do you think, Rich? 41 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,340 Oh, yeah, so I mean, obviously his performance was abysmal. 42 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:55,340 There was a point in time when people were just kind 43 00:01:55,340 --> 00:01:59,060 of cringing and feeling sad, and I looked over at Trump, 44 00:01:59,060 --> 00:02:01,020 and he's just like, all of a sudden, 45 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:03,540 and he looks back, and he goes, 46 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:06,960 and in one moment he goes, I don't understand 47 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,140 what Joe just said, and I don't think he knows 48 00:02:09,140 --> 00:02:12,900 what he just said, and what's sad for me is that Trump 49 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,040 at first was very lucid and eloquent and went to the issues, 50 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,140 and then he just started talking about himself. 51 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:22,180 By the end of the night, it appeared after a break, 52 00:02:22,180 --> 00:02:24,020 he kind of had a little bit of a resurgence, 53 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:25,860 got back into it, but then he finished very poorly. 54 00:02:25,860 --> 00:02:28,380 That's what I understood, and there was a lot 55 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:29,860 of interspersive stuff in there. 56 00:02:29,860 --> 00:02:31,820 Are you talking about Biden or Trump? 57 00:02:31,820 --> 00:02:33,480 No, I'm talking about Biden overall 58 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,020 was an abject failure, right? 59 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:39,060 Everybody knew after that that it wasn't good, 60 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:41,620 and here's what's really sad and scary. 61 00:02:42,940 --> 00:02:45,860 CNN at the end of that said, okay, guys, 62 00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:50,860 after the debate, please tell us, the audience of CNN, 63 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:52,020 who won that debate? 64 00:02:52,020 --> 00:02:55,700 And it was 67% Trump and 33% Biden, 65 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:58,500 and for those 33% of the people out there, 66 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:01,900 that is just either you're ignorant, you're stupid, naive, 67 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:05,540 or you just are holding onto some kind of threat 68 00:03:05,540 --> 00:03:07,380 of something because that's so disingenuous, 69 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:10,460 because he wasn't functioning as a human. 70 00:03:10,460 --> 00:03:12,820 There was nothing to vote for in that particular, 71 00:03:12,820 --> 00:03:15,700 for that 33% to say, yeah, I'm still casting my vote 72 00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:17,820 for Biden, I think that what they meant was, 73 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:20,460 I'm casting my vote for the Democratic Party. 74 00:03:20,460 --> 00:03:22,860 That's my observation. 75 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:25,340 Yeah, they'll typically say 40% will vote 76 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:27,740 Democratic or Republic, so you have two groups of 40, 77 00:03:27,740 --> 00:03:30,460 and you have about 20 that's sort of the float. 78 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:33,740 I think we're seeing a lot of people realize, 79 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:37,600 here's the thing, you and I are polar opposites 80 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,700 on this regard, I don't like Biden at all. 81 00:03:39,700 --> 00:03:44,700 I think Biden's a puppet, but I think Trump is a menace, 82 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:49,640 and I think Trump is, and you think completely opposite, 83 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,640 but I think here's an interesting point for the, 84 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:52,840 because I'm not really a Democrat, 85 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,540 I'm more of an independent, 86 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:57,040 I don't like politics at all, but it's necessary. 87 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,640 Biden is at a loss, he's at a point functionally 88 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,000 that I think we're watching the Democrats go off a cliff. 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:14,000 And what I think is gonna happen, at least in the dialogue, 90 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,320 is that someone like Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom 91 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,000 is gonna step in at the convention. 92 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,560 It's just wild how this whole season of politics 93 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,280 has played out because at the debate, 94 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:31,560 you began to really see, oh, the traditional idea 95 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,560 is Joe can beat Trump at debate, he couldn't do that. 96 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,840 He couldn't, because Joe, 97 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,280 Trump didn't say anything at the debate. 98 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,760 That's his shtick, he didn't say anything. 99 00:04:47,660 --> 00:04:50,880 He lied incessantly, but that's his deal, 100 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,200 that's who he is, and I think people just deal with that. 101 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,440 Whereas, he lied about the border. 102 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,320 The border is being overrun, Jonathan. 103 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,320 He's not lying about that, he's not lying about. 104 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,240 The fact checkers couldn't even keep up with him, 105 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,760 it was so bad, and I think you ignore them. 106 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,880 But the point here is that Trump's not the one in problem. 107 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Trump won because Biden looked like he was ready 108 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,800 for the retirement home. 109 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,240 That's fair, I agree with that, I agree with that. 110 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,680 Trump didn't come out eloquently on his own, 111 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,680 did he come out, right, right, so the question is, 112 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,280 am I voting for this candidate because I love them, 113 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,960 because I fear them, or I believe in them, 114 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,240 or am I voting for them because I hate the other opponent? 115 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,360 We always want it to be a positive experience, right? 116 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,120 I'm voting for this person because they bring hope 117 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,440 and change, let's say, right? 118 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,960 And this person just brings hate and division, right? 119 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,000 And so I'm voting for the positive side of things 120 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,120 instead of like, that other guy is so bad, 121 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,880 I hate that person, that's why I'm voting for him. 122 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,040 Our candidate sucks, but what else are you gonna do? 123 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,320 So anyway, do you wanna play a clip or? 124 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,520 How do you feel about it? 125 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,840 What do you mean? 126 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:57,040 As an American citizen? 127 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,880 In terms of where we are at as a country, 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,160 you're an American citizen, and this is our presidency. 129 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:10,160 How do you feel about this is all we have at the top? 130 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,680 So I'm gonna say something that I think 131 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,320 we've fleshed out before and might have been brought up 132 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,200 on our last episode with Davidson, 133 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,280 and one of the things, and what we brought, 134 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:24,120 what you and your son brought up midweek, 135 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,120 and it's about neoliberalism and the defeat of, 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,560 and how Trump separated from that, 137 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,360 and you said, well yeah, he did break away, 138 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,080 and so one of the things I have to get out there 139 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,520 in the front and say, Trump is not the swamp. 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Trump is not an Obama, he's not a Bush, he's not, 141 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Reagan was different, but he's not any of the Bushes, 142 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,960 he's not a Clinton, he's not a Obama, and he's not a Biden. 143 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,960 This is a guy who's built things his whole life 144 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 and definitely declared bankruptcy, 145 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,380 and has been known to be an egotist, 146 00:06:54,380 --> 00:06:56,640 and a narcissist, and a playboy, right? 147 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,280 But he came in, and this is undeniable. 148 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,280 He, this is what kills me, Jonathan. 149 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,920 He met with King Jong-un, he freaking kept China at bay. 150 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,000 He likes, and Putin likes him, 151 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,180 and he basically kept us out of world wars, 152 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:15,760 right where we are. 153 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,240 Economic prosperity, unemployment, border safe. 154 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,240 He did the things that people didn't like on the left, 155 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,240 because he actually walked the walk and talked the talk. 156 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,080 Now, one of the things he didn't do 157 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:29,920 is he didn't build the wall. 158 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,760 He said he was gonna do it, 159 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,400 he said he was gonna make Mexico pay for it. 160 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,240 That's the one promise that I think he said 161 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,520 that he didn't come to fruition on. 162 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,240 He was gonna start an infrastructure project. 163 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,400 He builds, builds, builds. 164 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,320 He was looking forward to making our infrastructure better. 165 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,080 He actually helped out with the Rust Belt. 166 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,120 He didn't have a chance, he lost the election. 167 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,240 It takes 10 years to rebuild the country. 168 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,760 It takes 10 years to rebuild the country. 169 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,600 Biden doesn't done shit. 170 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,680 Have you seen the infrastructure? 171 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,480 Our bridges are collapsing. 172 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,320 Our dams are collapsing. 173 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,320 The largest infrastructure bill signed ever. 174 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,360 So we gotta start there. 175 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,780 It was on the heels of Trump. 176 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:08,020 That's what Trump was putting in place. 177 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:09,600 Who's the builder, Jonathan? 178 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,400 Is it Biden or is it Trump? 179 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Trump is the contractor. 180 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Trump built the infrastructure. 181 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,560 I've spent years to defend Biden. 182 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,360 So I think the point of this is- 183 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,640 Okay, let's take a step back. 184 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:20,460 I'll take a step back. 185 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:21,920 I've had a dart this morning. 186 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,120 I had nicotine and coffee, 187 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,020 which I've never really had those conversations 188 00:08:26,020 --> 00:08:27,640 on our podcast before. 189 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Let's go back. 190 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,200 He would have won again, except for COVID. 191 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,240 Everybody knows this. 192 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,760 He was at a 52% approval rating. 193 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,600 And then COVID came and blew everything up. 194 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,320 And this is what's really so sad is that the, 195 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,480 we've exposed that this country only wants 196 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,520 what makes them feel good and comfortable 197 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,360 about walking in the walk and talking the talk 198 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,640 and towing the line. 199 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,640 And once you realize that Biden did nothing 200 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,120 and everybody looks in the mirror and says, 201 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,480 I'm not better off than I was four years ago, 202 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,720 which is undeniable. 203 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,960 Whether a guy goes on the Walmart website and says, 204 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,760 I just looked at my old shopping cart from two years ago 205 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,040 and I paid for groceries for an entire month 206 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,680 and it was $114. 207 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,440 And I had the ability to go in there today and hit reorder 208 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,500 and it's $450. 209 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,480 If people don't understand that the policies 210 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,320 that he's put in place, 211 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,400 including people getting raped and people getting killed 212 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,120 and an entire lawlessness happening, 213 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,720 this wasn't happening under Trump's watch. 214 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,440 And yet here's what people are still saying. 215 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,720 Let's give Biden a chance. 216 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,600 And this is what just absolutely blows my mind. 217 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,120 It is, it's the matrix. 218 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,840 It's the absolute matrix. 219 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,960 Let me give you a counterpoint to the same matrix. 220 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:38,780 Okay. 221 00:09:38,780 --> 00:09:43,240 One, Biden didn't raise prices, corporations did. 222 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,040 So I think it's just his policies. 223 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,040 His economic policy put it in place. 224 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,680 Why is a policy going to raise prices? 225 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,320 How do you make that correlation? 226 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,160 It's called printing money. 227 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,120 It's called printing money. 228 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Talk to the Federal Reserve. 229 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,160 That I agree with. 230 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,000 Okay. 231 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:58,840 Okay. 232 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,720 But businesses raise prices. 233 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,720 I'll give you a counter example. 234 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,640 Arizona Tea. 235 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,960 Are you familiar with it? 236 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,400 They're on the hot seat right now 237 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,840 because they refuse to raise the price on a can 238 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,720 from 99 cents to a higher rate. 239 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,120 He's never raised his price in 19 years. 240 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,520 And it's very easy to say, oh, Washington. 241 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,560 See, when Trump was in and he raised two trillion 242 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:26,600 or gave a $2 trillion tax break 243 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,880 and it's hurting the middle class, nobody complained. 244 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,240 You don't count that part. 245 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,400 That's the problem I have to deal with is 246 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,240 help me understand why you think Trump is so great 247 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,720 when you've ignored that he's done just as much. 248 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,520 That's my point is the debate shows- 249 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,360 The fiscal policy. 250 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,640 A total shit show and a guy who cannot think. 251 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,000 You're talking in academics 252 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,480 and the people were actually better off. 253 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,320 Absolutely. 254 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,840 You're talking in theory about like tax cuts 255 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,040 and how the middle class sucked 256 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,280 and everybody was fucking happy. 257 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,120 That's a fact, bro. 258 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,720 We gave a $2 trillion tax cut to the wealthy. 259 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,600 Do you disagree with that? 260 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Go up to a hundred, dude, 261 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,200 all the wealthiest have gotten even more wealthy now. 262 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,480 Do you agree that he created that tax cut? 263 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,320 Let's start there. 264 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,680 I agree and guess what? 265 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:15,240 It benefited everybody. 266 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,800 Okay. 267 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:18,640 Dude, are you- 268 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:19,480 It has no- 269 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,920 Ask a hundred people in small town Arkansas, 270 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,080 ask a hundred people in small town Arkansas 271 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,280 if those tax cuts fucked them over four years ago. 272 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,120 They're gonna go, 273 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,760 please take us back to four years ago 274 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,800 because we're paycheck to paycheck. 275 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,440 I can't actually pay my bills now. 276 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,600 My farm is done. 277 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,680 Everybody is looking at this and what you're saying, 278 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:38,360 you're putting this up on the chalkboard 279 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,040 in terms of equations and about tax cuts and fiscal policy 280 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,640 and everybody's looking at you in the face right now 281 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:45,760 and they're saying, 282 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,600 I don't care what you're saying. 283 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:47,440 No, they're not, bro. 284 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,280 No, they're not. 285 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,100 Everything was better. 286 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:50,520 Everything was better four years ago. 287 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,880 Jonathan, everything was better four years ago. 288 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:52,720 Nobody- 289 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,560 No, it wasn't. 290 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:54,380 No, it wasn't. 291 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:55,220 Only the trillionaires. 292 00:11:55,220 --> 00:11:56,200 Only the trillionaires. 293 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,680 Here's my point, okay? 294 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:58,520 Here's my point. 295 00:11:59,740 --> 00:12:03,880 As a debate, it showcased two really important things. 296 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,120 And this is my point. 297 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,840 You know I don't like Trump and you don't like Biden. 298 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,800 We're clear on that. 299 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,280 But here's the reality. 300 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,240 Both candidates suck. 301 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,240 And here's why. 302 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,520 I think Biden in history will show up better 303 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,480 than Trump long-term, okay? 304 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,960 But that's neither here nor there. 305 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,840 That's neither here nor there, okay? 306 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,360 That's just a conjecture. 307 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,080 It's pure conjecture, okay? 308 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,560 Pure imagination, yes. 309 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,280 But you don't have that imagination 310 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,800 because you're so locked into Trump, bro. 311 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,000 Here's my point. 312 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,320 We have two candidates that are both shit shows. 313 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:43,800 And here's why. 314 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,600 Let me give you the point of why. 315 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,440 Tell me why, tell me why. 316 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,840 Biden is clear. 317 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,120 I'm not a Biden fan. 318 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,760 Biden, faculties-wise, it's time for him to retire. 319 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,740 It's pretty clear. 320 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,520 But during those four years that Trump was a president, 321 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,520 the United States was in utter chaos. 322 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,760 And that's my point is you lift Trump up to this point 323 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,600 that it's going to make the country a better country. 324 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,040 It has no historical precedence for doing that. 325 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,760 And it ended with January 6th, 326 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,000 which is sort of the capstone of saying, 327 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,840 this is exactly what Trump brought. 328 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,720 And that's my point is we are gonna hold this book 329 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,440 and we're gonna do some shit shows. 330 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,760 All the facts that you're getting with January 6th 331 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,040 where the Supreme Court is saying, 332 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,520 we're gonna probably throw out all of the injunctions 333 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,160 against them, that you've got ghost buses showing up 334 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,000 on the day there's a pipe bomb being planted. 335 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,760 The fact is January 6th happened when he was there. 336 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,040 Nancy Pelosi was in charge of the National Guard 337 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,240 and she failed to deliver. 338 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,040 Because Trump didn't have any responsibility to it. 339 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Not the way that the speaker of the house did. 340 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,960 The leader of the country didn't have any responsibility? 341 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,800 He asked for it. 342 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,640 And that's what I think you wanna give him. 343 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,480 He asked for it. 344 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,480 You don't want to atone. 345 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,080 My point is not that, 346 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:01,920 you're not winning a counterargument. 347 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:02,760 I agree with you. 348 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Biden sucks. 349 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:07,400 I'm sad that we are in a point in history 350 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,560 where this is the best we got. 351 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:10,400 That's my point. 352 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,080 I kind of agree with that, what our options are. 353 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,840 But one of the things that the Democrats don't understand 354 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,760 is they hated Trump for his causticness. 355 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,720 And imagine a father who raises his kids 356 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,480 and they all end up being really well, 357 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,920 but he tells course jokes and he farts in public 358 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,560 and he's not very cultured 359 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,840 and people look at him like some kind of pariah. 360 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,480 And then you watch his freaking, 361 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,960 but he's got a good household in order. 362 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,680 His kids grew up to be great. 363 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,280 Maybe a little rough around the edges, 364 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,040 but they end up being good citizens in the world. 365 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,720 And everybody goes, oh yeah, that guy was, 366 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,960 he was a terrible father. 367 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,160 He was a terrible guy. 368 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,280 And behind the scenes, everything was fine. 369 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,560 That's the difference between Trump and Biden. 370 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,840 People don't like him for his making fun of women 371 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,080 and calling them horse faces 372 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,240 and all of the narcissistic things. 373 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,960 But if you look and you peel back the onion, 374 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,800 when you look at keeping peace relatively strong, 375 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,800 keeping jobs and unemployment low, 376 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,000 keeping the idea of, I don't know, 377 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,160 it just to me, there were so many things 378 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,960 that he accomplished along the way. 379 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,960 That's why people are looking back and they're going, 380 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,720 my God, if we could just have that back again. 381 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:29,560 And anyway, I think- 382 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,920 Do you wanna go back to the chaos? 383 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,600 Do you think we are more chaotic or less chaotic? 384 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,000 I don't know what chaos you're talking about. 385 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,520 The entire, right now is the most chaotic we've ever seen. 386 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,280 There are people across the world 387 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,400 who are looking at this country right now. 388 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,240 They're being interviewed. 389 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,560 We're living on a different page, though. 390 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,640 We are living on a completely different page. 391 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,000 Yeah, what the hell happened to America? 392 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,800 Right, I mean, that's what's, 393 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,520 I truly believe that the deep state 394 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,440 has put things in place to make us less of a strong nation. 395 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,080 And it is true, we are less safe and less healthy 396 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,120 than we've ever been at any point in time in our history, 397 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,160 as of right now. 398 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,960 That is something I completely, 399 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,960 that to me is the matrix is we have this issue 400 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,720 of the Obamas, the Clintons, and Nancy Pelosi's 401 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,480 who have created this sense of organization to say, 402 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,640 neoliberal, I think that's what it ultimately comes down to 403 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,520 is neoliberalism tried to control Washington 404 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:25,360 to such a degree. 405 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,680 And Trump came in, and if Trump did anything, 406 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,760 he disrupted that. 407 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,120 He did not drain the swamp. 408 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,240 He did not. 409 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,200 Fair, right? 410 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Fair. 411 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:34,960 That's fair. 412 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,640 We are still in a shit show. 413 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,320 And I think that has to do with bigger things, 414 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,880 but the matrix still exists in Washington 415 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,520 as neoliberalism trying to control this way of operating 416 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,000 that says, hey, there's the elite, 417 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,520 and then there's everybody else. 418 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,800 So there's money, and then there's everybody else. 419 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,200 And we are not fiscally, financially, economically, 420 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,800 socially in a better place than we were four 421 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,480 or eight years ago. 422 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,240 I do not think Trump added to the value, 423 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,320 but I can't say Biden did as well. 424 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,600 Biden has been a puppet to neoliberalism. 425 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,280 And I think to that point is my point of this topic, 426 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,200 or at least what I wanted to get out of it was, 427 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,160 how do you think we as a country get out of this hole? 428 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,240 And what I hear you saying is it's more of the same, 429 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,640 which is Trump, 430 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,240 because I don't think either of them are the answer. 431 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Okay. 432 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,680 What I was actually gonna say is, 433 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,280 at the beginning was, now that you've watched this, 434 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,240 what is the course of action for the Democrats? 435 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,960 Because we already know what the course 436 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,840 for the Republicans is. 437 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,360 It's gonna be Trump all the way, and it always has been. 438 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,480 But you've got people spinning their heads around saying, 439 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,320 is it gonna be Newsom? 440 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,160 Is it gonna be Michelle? 441 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,240 Is it gonna be Gretchen Whitmer? 442 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:50,880 Because they're talking about a couple other people 443 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:51,720 on the ticket too. 444 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,560 Is it gonna be Kamala, right? 445 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,440 People are talking about, is it gonna be Kamala? 446 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,280 And when you look at Kamala, 447 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,960 the montages of Kamala make it go like, 448 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,120 oh God, this should get eaten alive. 449 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,840 So that's actually how I wanted it. 450 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,680 Yeah. 451 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,500 On top of that, 452 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:05,560 I think Kennedy splits the Democratic ticket. 453 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,280 Splits it in half? 454 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,120 I think it's more fringe. 455 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:12,280 It's enough that Trump has a clear lead, 456 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,800 and now after that, that was the point of the debate, 457 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,400 is the debate shifted people's perceptions of Biden 458 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,080 to such a degree that it became a talking point. 459 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,880 And when it's a talking point, it's like, 460 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,240 remember, what was the name of Howard Dean? 461 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,800 Remember Howard Dean? 462 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,880 He lost because of that talking point, 463 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,160 and we're there now with Biden. 464 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,000 We're there. 465 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:33,880 Well, he also got that, 466 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,400 his one thing was like, he just got really fired up on, 467 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,440 he went, ah, on camera, 468 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,600 and that was like, dude, this guy's unhinged. 469 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,840 But going back, just to be fair to me, 470 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,080 I told you and Davidson, I love Andrew Yang. 471 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,520 I loved his ideas. 472 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,480 I could have voted for that man, right? 473 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,200 Being, even though it was Trump going there ultimately, 474 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,440 and I originally wanted to vote for Marco Rubio 475 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,240 because he just came across as a much more polished candidate, 476 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,720 and then unfortunately, he, 477 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,560 what I'm saying to you is- 478 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,680 We're not in a political thing. 479 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,520 We're not in a political thing. 480 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,520 I'm just not looking, I'm not a Trump worshipper. 481 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,840 I'm not a Trump worshipper. 482 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,600 I want you to understand that. 483 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,440 I could have voted for Andrew Yang. 484 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,880 You did end up in pretty vehemently there. 485 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,160 I know, it's because he's what we had. 486 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,000 I'm telling you, and I've told Davidson, 487 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,080 I've said this before on podcasts and for other people, 488 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,720 that I really liked Andrew Yang. 489 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,960 He came across both aisles, 490 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,480 and I liked some of the things he said. 491 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,680 He liked nuclear power. 492 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,440 He was on Fox and Friends. 493 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,000 I also liked RFK Jr. 494 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,400 I think he's got a lot of important things, 495 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,200 and he's helping people break away, right? 496 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,440 One of the things that RFK and Trump do, 497 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,680 and my God, can you imagine them as a team, 498 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,880 would be they are the dystopian, no, not dystopian. 499 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,720 They're the ones that are opening the matrix up, right? 500 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,280 They're saying, peel back the matrix, 501 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,600 and let's see what the real world is, 502 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,760 and let's really roll up our sleeves and dig in. 503 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,840 That would be an amazing, for me, 504 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,640 I would love to see something like that, right? 505 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,040 Wait, what do you mean in terms of peeling back? 506 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:02,040 If RFK became his ticket, if it was Trump and RFK, 507 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,880 imagine what they could do. 508 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,440 RFK would never do that. 509 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,360 I know, and Trump wouldn't either. 510 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,000 I know, but he's not a Democrat, right? 511 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,320 He's not a Democrat. 512 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,320 He could be, I think as a Hail Mary, 513 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,960 the first Hail Mary is to Michelle or Gavin Newsom. 514 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,720 I think that's the talk, at least what I hear, 515 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,600 but I don't think Gavin Newsom. 516 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,040 Gavin Newsom's an interesting card. 517 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,920 I think he's a terrible governor, 518 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,480 but he's got enough cachet, and he's also a Pelosi, so. 519 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,320 Yes. 520 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,320 Yeah, and that's the problem, is the Democratic Party. 521 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,680 I was talking, the Democratic Party is fucked. 522 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,520 They really are. 523 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,120 They're kind of in a really shitty situation right now, 524 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,880 and I think given Kennedy, 525 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,560 Kennedy splits the Democratic ticket, 526 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,200 because I think Kennedy pulls from the Democratic Party 527 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,280 much more historically than the Republican Party. 528 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,800 Ross Perot pulled from GHW Bush, 529 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,880 and that's why GHW Bush lost, and then of course, Clinton. 530 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,680 Yep, you got it. 531 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,520 Yeah, I agree. 532 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,160 That's the same kind of scenario going on. 533 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,000 Yeah. 534 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,080 All right, let's switch topics. 535 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,240 I wanna show you this video. 536 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,760 Or did we watch it? 537 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:17,600 Yeah, show it. 538 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,440 Show it. 539 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,640 Yeah, this is AI, baby. 540 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,480 What is it? 541 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,320 AI. 542 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,040 All right, so let me, I'll let you listen to it again. 543 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,360 Yeah. 544 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,880 Work optional, yes. 545 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Will you work? 546 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,800 I'll try to work, yes. 547 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Yes, now this may sound great, 548 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,080 but I think there will perhaps be a crisis of meaning. 549 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,320 If the AI can do everything that you can do, 550 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,880 but better, then what is the point of doing things? 551 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,920 So that's, I think there will be a bit of a sort of 552 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,200 existential crisis of why do I do anything. 553 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,800 It will be like the Roman Empire, 554 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,480 at the peak of the Roman Empire. 555 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,560 Yeah, with AI and robots. 556 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,920 So, yeah, I think we are headed to an age of abundance. 557 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,520 I think we're at the most interesting time in history. 558 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,520 So, you know, there's supposedly some proverb that says, 559 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,680 you know, maybe you live in interesting times as a curse, 560 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,160 and we live in the most interesting of times. 561 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:34,160 So what Elon Musk is proposing is this idea that 562 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,400 if you have all 30 million robots, 563 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,040 that's what he estimates in the next three to five years. 564 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,680 He's gonna have 30 million Tesla robots in the workforce. 565 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,480 They're gonna be between 10 and $20,000. 566 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,400 And it's going to create an age of abundance 567 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,560 because people are gonna have to work. 568 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,640 But what's interesting about that, especially as a man, 569 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,440 what happens if you don't have to work? 570 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,240 He calls it an existential crisis. 571 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,440 What do you think about that? 572 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,960 Well, the guy in there mentioned the Roman Empire, 573 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,920 the peak of the Roman Empire, right? 574 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,880 The same thing happened with Alexander the Great, 575 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,680 the famous quote that Alexander the Great did 576 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,680 when he had almost the entire world as we know it, 577 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240 all the way out to Persia, all the way out to England. 578 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,960 And when he realized he had no worlds to conquer, 579 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,160 Alexander wept, right? 580 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,000 That's the famous quote. 581 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,560 He realized he had no worlds to conquer, Alexander wept. 582 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,480 That's the famous line, Alexander wept. 583 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,600 And there's a drink actually in Portland, Oregon, 584 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,720 at a great bar. 585 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,960 So one of the immediate things that comes to mind 586 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,840 is when we lack purpose teleology, 587 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,560 then things get really bad. 588 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,920 The things we've been seeing as men are becoming more, 589 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,200 trying to become more masculine 590 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,640 and trying to actually overcome the Homer Simpsons 591 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,560 and the Al Bundys and the pejorative masculine framework 592 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,880 that has been giving us is like, dude, we gotta come back. 593 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,600 We've gotta have kids, we gotta support, 594 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,920 we gotta provide, we gotta be healthy. 595 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,440 And you're seeing a lot of stoicism and stuff. 596 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,520 Having that purpose and meaning, 597 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,800 when you take that away from people, 598 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,280 they either become dependent on drugs and sedation 599 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,920 or they go out and they become violent and destructive, 600 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:10,760 right? 601 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,840 When a man has no purpose, 602 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,240 and it's kind of like what Janis Joplin says is, 603 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,120 freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose, right? 604 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,880 Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. 605 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,480 Imagine there was a word in a movie that says, 606 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,680 if somebody's got nothing else left to lose, 607 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,000 then that's a dangerous person, right? 608 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,040 And it's also, what do you have to gain? 609 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,440 So that could be the prescription, Jonathan, in my mind, 610 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,760 for a terrible formula of either on one side, 611 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,560 depending on what you're tapped into, 612 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,720 complete sedentary-ness and drug induced, 613 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,760 like opioids, opioids and stuff, and there's no more point, 614 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,240 or it's like, I'm gonna go out there 615 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,440 and fucking take out the world. 616 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,640 I'm gonna take these robots out. 617 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,520 I'm gonna just, it's gonna be a separate future. 618 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,800 It's gonna be the resistance, right? 619 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,000 There's gonna be an uprising. 620 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,600 And so I would see those two things 621 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,200 balancing against each other in that worldview. 622 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,480 Do you agree with his premise 623 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,960 that we're gonna have a crisis of meaning? 624 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,200 Cause I do, I think that's the- 625 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,160 Absolutely, no, that's not the purpose. 626 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,720 The crisis of meaning is the idea of purpose, of teleology. 627 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,240 100% we're gonna have a crisis. 628 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,960 And how would we address that, right? 629 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,600 In light of all those things going on. 630 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,360 Now, I'm gonna tell you what's craziest. 631 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:21,360 I pulled up chat GPT and I said, 632 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,720 my question is, if AI is gonna take over our jobs 633 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,120 and do things better than we can do, 634 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,040 what will our purpose be? 635 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,600 And it goes well, human, focus on creativity and innovation. 636 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,160 As AI handles routine tasks, 637 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,600 humans may have more opportunities 638 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,960 to engage in creative, innovative work, 639 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,680 which is harder for AI to replicate. 640 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,080 Interpersonal skills, 641 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,840 jobs requiring emotional intelligence, 642 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,800 empathy and social interaction, 643 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,200 ethics and oversight, societal impact, et cetera, 644 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,760 adaptation strategies and how do you do that? 645 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,360 So it tried to give me a chat GPT 4.0 version 646 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,200 of why there's still gonna be some opportunities for us. 647 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,320 But I'd love to ask you, 648 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,480 in light of both of us agreeing on this 649 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,680 as existential crisis, 650 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,360 what are our options and how do we prepare for that? 651 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,000 Well, I think you and I have talked a lot, 652 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,320 cause we talked to my son a lot about this. 653 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,480 We're always talking about what is the black swan. 654 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,960 And black swan is the unknown mat, 655 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,000 like 9-11 was a black swan. 656 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,280 It's the thing that comes out of left field 657 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,600 that captures this completely by surprise. 658 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,360 We did not anticipate it. 659 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,960 There may have been signs, but nobody could see it. 660 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,040 I think this is, 661 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,920 has the setup for a black swan that is profound. 662 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,480 And here's why. 663 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,320 In scripture, in Genesis 3, 664 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,840 when God describes the curses, 665 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,920 work is the male curse. 666 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,240 The toil of the fields. 667 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,560 So in other words, the very existential crisis 668 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,480 a man can encounter is having meaningful work. 669 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,960 And it's never gonna be enough. 670 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,480 So imagine if you take that to the nth degree and say, 671 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,240 hey, you don't even have to work. 672 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,360 And so the very thing that provides you 673 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,480 at least some form of meaning is gone. 674 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,520 I think that's a black swan of 675 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,400 an order of magnitude of the cross. 676 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,200 Something's dying. 677 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,200 I do. 678 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,680 Because you're fundamentally addressing 679 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,360 the very core problem of a man. 680 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:31,200 Guess what, man? 681 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,120 You don't have to work anymore. 682 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:33,960 Well, wait a minute. 683 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,960 That's how I create my identity. 684 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,800 By what I do. 685 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,640 What do men do? 686 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,200 Hey, what do you do for a living? 687 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,360 That's the number one question men ask each other. 688 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,760 What do you do for a living? 689 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,880 Now take that away and do that work. 690 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Wow. 691 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,680 Think about it. 692 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,800 You know what's interesting, Jonathan, 693 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,960 is that you know who that guy Ro is, right? 694 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,600 Mike Ro, the guy did Dirty Jobs. 695 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,720 Dirty Jobs. 696 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,520 Yeah, we've had, we've talked, 697 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,320 he's been on podcasts, he's been on shows 698 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,320 where he talked about there's like seven, 699 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,520 I don't know, 15, 20 million men out there 700 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,200 who can work, who are actively disengaged already. 701 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,000 But the other thing that I wanna ask you is. 702 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,880 Gen Z, disengaged. 703 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,720 Totally. 704 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,840 But there's about 30% of the workforce is women now. 705 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,920 I mean, since we've had women's lib and rights 706 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,200 and we've allowed that kind of freedom to take place, 707 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,880 it's pretty safe to say that I think there's a good 30, 708 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880 40% of the workforce is women now. 709 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,760 So if they take away those jobs 710 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,120 and it's not just the men anymore, 711 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:35,240 because we've changed that a little bit. 712 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,480 It's not just, I mean, we're not talking 1950s, right? 713 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Where the guy's going out, pounding the pavement 714 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,760 for the mom, bringing home the TV dinners and she's cooking. 715 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920 That paradigm has changed dramatically. 716 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,480 So maybe will the crisis be less existential? 717 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Because going back to Black Swan, 718 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,880 I think COVID was a Black Swan for us. 719 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,680 That is, I mean, people are still reeling today. 720 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,520 Yeah, it doesn't seem out of nowhere. 721 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,520 I think people are reeling more from COVID. 722 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240 As a humanity, we're reeling more from COVID 723 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,000 than of course the world is from 9-11. 724 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840 That affected us and some Middle Eastern areas. 725 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,080 But I think. 726 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,000 Well, it's the first. 727 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,840 I agree. 728 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,360 COVID, here's my take on COVID. 729 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,720 COVID was the first time in history 730 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,800 that we contracted from productivity. 731 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,640 Yes. 732 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,880 The work model, I live in Silicon Valley 733 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,040 and Silicon Valley is all about productivity 734 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,400 and how do you increase it for the sake of the dollar. 735 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,280 COVID was the first time we took a step back functionally 736 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800 and sent people home and said, don't work. 737 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,280 And they're like, holy shit, this is actually really good. 738 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,200 I'm getting to know my kids again. 739 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,640 And it broke a spell. 740 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,960 So I completely agree with you that COVID was the black swan 741 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,680 that started the process. 742 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,680 But where it's going is, and I'll be sort of hyperbolas, 743 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,280 I think we're in the apocalypse 744 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,960 because if you take away the root of work from a man 745 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,320 and you say, and here's the other part of that video 746 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,920 is it leads to abundance. 747 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:01,720 Robotics is leading to abundance 748 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,800 because they're gonna be able to do everything for us. 749 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,480 And I know people don't like Elon, 750 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,640 but I think Elon's youth in South Africa 751 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,200 made him realize that he's not the tyrant 752 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,200 people think he is. 753 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,240 He's trying to solve world problems. 754 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,960 And I think he understands this AI thing 755 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,760 is going to be functionally different 756 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800 because here's another part of it. 757 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,840 AI is smarter than every human being already. 758 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,480 So imagine what that does to a Stanford professor 759 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,320 who is no longer the smartest cat in the room. 760 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,240 Remember Goodwill hunting when Will came along 761 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,800 and the mathematician's like, 762 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,680 holy shit, this kid's smaller than me, I'm nothing. 763 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,560 That is the existential crisis 764 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,520 that's going to happen globally. 765 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,400 Think about that. 766 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,640 What happens when you take away work from men? 767 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,320 You fundamentally take away the mechanism 768 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,680 that they derive their identity from. 769 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,560 I don't think women are going to struggle with the same 770 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,800 because that's not their curse. 771 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,600 That's not their drive. 772 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Their drive is much more around experience, 773 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,960 childbearing, being a mom, being a woman. 774 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Work came along really, 775 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,880 I think it's great women can work. 776 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,240 I have nothing, and I think they should be paid equally, 777 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,640 but I don't think that's their driver 778 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,080 the way it is for men. 779 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,720 And I think that's what's gonna change 780 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,760 is we're going to have to reorient. 781 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,160 If I don't have to wake up in him, 782 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,000 where does most of our stress come from? 783 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,840 From work. 784 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,640 And then COVID showed us what happens if you go home, 785 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,560 you can actually start working on your family, 786 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,120 working on your marriage. 787 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,960 So I think there's gonna be a sub-benefit, 788 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,640 but I think globally we're gonna have 789 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,280 a very significant existential crisis. 790 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,120 And that I think- 791 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,640 What if I didn't have that? 792 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,120 I just looked something up. 793 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,000 What? 794 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,080 This is gonna blow your mind. 795 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,840 And this is why I'm going back to, 796 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,640 I think it might be less existential of a crisis. 797 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,280 I mean, I think for me it would be, 798 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160 but what do you suppose the workforce average 799 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840 for women in the workplaces for the globe, 800 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,040 as opposed to the United States? 801 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,880 What's the- 802 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,360 I think in America it's like 51% now. 803 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,640 46% of the population. 804 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,560 So what I'm telling you is it's almost half, 805 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,080 almost half of the people working in the United States 806 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,840 in the workforce are women. 807 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,680 Now you just said that's not their job. 808 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,360 Well women are actually more college graduates, 809 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,240 so it's only gonna increase. 810 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,640 Yeah, and for the globe it's 40%. 811 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,480 It's 39.4. 812 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,320 And this is 2022, so by the way, 813 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,160 I think it's probably gone up since then. 814 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,080 So what I'm asking you is knowing those statistics 815 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,840 and what the reality is, 816 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,800 why is it that women are not gonna be as affected 817 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,840 if they've already been shown to be half the fucking workforce 818 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,680 at least in the United States? 819 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,400 They're gonna be displaced too. 820 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,760 Because work is not their driving means of meaning. 821 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,920 In other words, the curses are, for men it's work. 822 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,200 Men derive their ideas. 823 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,200 Women don't go to parties and go, what do you do? 824 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,240 They don't. 825 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,680 And so what's happening is we're, 826 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,880 like we've talked a little bit about this 827 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,400 of the flipping of the polls. 828 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,280 We have been a masculine age for 6,000 years. 829 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,240 What happens if that flips? 830 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,240 Because post AI, the most valuable asset you can have 831 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,240 is empathy, because AI can't do empathy. 832 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,080 This is correct. 833 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,760 It cannot create physiological connection 834 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,240 and that's what women are really good at. 835 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,760 I think what we're gonna see is men going, okay, 836 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,080 because think about it. 837 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,080 If I don't have to work and I have enough abundance 838 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,520 to have enough food, shelter, clothing, 839 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,480 like I have sustenance. 840 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840 If we can eliminate poverty, 841 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,280 because poverty is the primary driver of stress 842 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,280 in American society or most global society. 843 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,040 Poverty is the lack of care for myself on a daily basis. 844 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,920 If you remove that problem and now people can functionally 845 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,840 say, I don't have to work, I have enough to eat, 846 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,680 I have enough clothes, 847 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,120 because I don't need 17 million pieces of clothing, 848 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,640 I need enough to wear today. 849 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,440 You take care of all of those primary issues, 850 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,960 you've created the possibility of either 851 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,960 absolute fucking chaos or the birth of a new civilization. 852 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,160 And I think that's where we're at. 853 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160 I think we're at a birth where the feminine energy 854 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,280 is gonna rise to balance the masculine out. 855 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,520 It's not gonna take over, 856 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,080 because women don't wanna take over. 857 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,720 They say they do, but they really don't. 858 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:45,480 It needs balance, 859 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,600 because we've been way too balanced towards the masculine. 860 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,600 And pulling away work directly addresses that. 861 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,000 And it forces men to say, 862 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,800 where is my identity as a human being? 863 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,440 And it can't be just in work. 864 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400 So I wanna make a little bit, 865 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,680 it's not necessarily an argument, but it's an observation. 866 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,080 So were you the one who sent me this video 867 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,680 about this guy who lives in Asia, 868 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,320 and he goes, I live by the ocean, 869 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,320 I've got all these things, 870 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,760 these people are wondering why we're so much a slave 871 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,200 to society here. 872 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,040 I don't remember it. 873 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,040 So here's a guy who got up, moved to some place in Thailand, 874 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,640 I think he's in Asia. 875 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,960 These people have nothing yet, 876 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,880 they're happier than we are here. 877 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,720 Yeah. 878 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,120 Going back to the United States, 879 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,480 there's two things I wanted to break down. 880 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,960 Number one, going back to the women of the workforce, 881 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960 and number two, eradicating poverty. 882 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,120 The problem that's happening is, 883 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,000 I believe that what you say is correct. 884 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Ontologically, women are child-birthing. 885 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,600 In their core, if they tapped into their own divine feminine, 886 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,480 they would be the nurturers, the empaths, all these things, 887 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,480 but they've been given a false promise by society 888 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,640 that says, you rise up to the ranks. 889 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160 They've been given this false promise that says, 890 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,760 hey, these guys are a bunch of assholes, 891 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,320 you can climb up the corporate ladder, 892 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,760 make a lot of money, have the success, 893 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,520 and obviously they're part of the workforce. 894 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,840 So even though deep down in their DNA, 895 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,160 they're the ones that you just talked about, 896 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,080 the nurturers and supporters, 897 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,240 they've been given this false premise. 898 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,640 And the same thing is gonna happen if you eradicate poverty. 899 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,440 If all of a sudden they're given something, 900 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,400 our society has been shifted to need a bigger, faster car, 901 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,680 a house, all these things that they're put in front of us. 902 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,680 I get a new iPhone put in front of me every year. 903 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,080 I've gotta get the new AirBots, I've gotta get the new wine, 904 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,120 I've gotta get the new golf clubs. 905 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,800 This stuff is forced upon us. 906 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,200 That's what this guy's saying in this video, 907 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,600 and I'll send it to you if I ever get it. 908 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,560 I'll send it to you if I get it. 909 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,400 Find it and I'll put it in this. 910 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,720 Yeah, the premise of the video was this guy was in Asia. 911 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,240 He was living very cheaply, he was by the ocean. 912 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,280 And Carnivore Aurelius talks about this too. 913 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,120 He's like, get out, go by the beach, 914 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,960 hang out with your girl, walk in the sand, 915 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,000 ground, eat good food. 916 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,760 And this guy's saying that this country 917 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,960 is so desperate for consumption 918 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,720 that it's a striving, you go to that job, 919 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,960 you live in the cube, you've been promised these things. 920 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,280 If you do this and work your ass off for 40 years, 921 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,920 you will have X, Y, and Zed and you're slaves. 922 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,760 That's what he's saying. 923 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,480 You're slaves to this machine 924 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,400 and it is a matrix of its own right, right? 925 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,440 You do, and these kids are getting up on, 926 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,280 they're talking about, oh my God, 927 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,280 I was told get a job after you graduate. 928 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,920 I can't go out over the weekends. 929 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,360 And it's really sad, you're seeing these good people 930 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,600 who are trying to follow that dream 931 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,120 and they're looking around and they're despondent right now. 932 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,160 And so going back to what you were saying is, 933 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,760 if you could get rid of the poverty, 934 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,960 let's not talk about poverty. 935 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600 How do you help that more of a middle-class 936 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,120 who can't make ends meet, 937 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,520 who literally are people are having to get together 938 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,280 multiple generations of families 939 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,520 are having to live in the same household 940 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,120 in order to make ends meet? 941 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,200 How are we supposed to alleviate that 942 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,080 in terms of that next step? 943 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,520 Well, I think the first thing is 944 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,720 we've got to fundamentally realize 945 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,960 is that we've been on the hamster wheel for 40 years. 946 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,160 You and I are a product of that. 947 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,840 So really, if you look back at when Nixon separated 948 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,840 productivity from the, 949 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,200 he separated dollars paid to the worker to the profit 950 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,920 and it was a shift to shareholder value. 951 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,560 That's the beginning of the experiment with Milton Friedman. 952 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,880 And for 40 years, you and I have lived an idea 953 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,720 of what happens if you take off 954 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,520 any kind of regulation to business 955 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,360 and just say, keep producing. 956 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,680 Well, guess what? 957 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,440 The 80s were the birth of, wow, this is pretty powerful 958 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,800 when you focus on productivity. 959 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,560 And then the 90s was the burnout of that saying, 960 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,920 oh, but you gotta keep the movement going 961 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,440 because GE's Jack Welch says, we just keep charging. 962 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,720 And the 2000s was, you got Y2K 963 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,520 and then the 2000s going, 964 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,200 we don't really know how to handle everything. 965 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,560 And it blew up with the housing crisis 966 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,800 because we couldn't manage it. 967 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,920 And I think that's the thing that we're realizing 968 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,440 is we've been living a 40 year experiment 969 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,240 that asks, can we keep the hamster wheel going? 970 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,080 And the hamster wheel was our carrot. 971 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,600 So you're an I generation, the Gen X generation is, 972 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,480 we lived the ride, 973 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,280 but is the world a better place 974 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,480 because of that? 975 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,240 And I think fundamentally we're exhausting the idea 976 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,720 that that hamster wheel can continue. 977 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,080 And I think you insert 30 million robots, 978 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,760 you fundamentally create a crossroads to say, 979 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,720 wait a minute, let's hold on. 980 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,680 And I think honestly, going back to the first context, 981 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,480 I think both Biden and Trump are a desire 982 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,320 to go back to that old way. 983 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,160 And I think the world is saying, no more. 984 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960 And there's enough inertia that says, 985 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,960 Gen Z is like, I'm not gonna work. 986 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,960 I don't wanna work. 987 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,480 Because the carrot's not there anymore. 988 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,160 They know it's bullshit. 989 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,440 And our generation is at the tail end of it, 990 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,880 we've gotten just enough. 991 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400 And most of the middle class is pretty much gone. 992 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,560 It's gotta start, the balance has to shift away from, 993 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,200 I don't know, really the ethic of the entire process 994 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,160 has been greed. 995 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,640 That it's okay that- 996 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,240 Talked about this many times. 997 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,840 I think Elon and Larry Ellison, 998 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,240 I think people like that who have the brilliance of that 999 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:38,920 should be responsible for billions and billions of dollars. 1000 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,080 Yes. 1001 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,760 But we have to have a process or a way of operating 1002 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,560 that doesn't leave 99% of the people 1003 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,840 moving towards the bottom wrong. 1004 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,680 And I think that is what is shifting. 1005 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,880 And so if you insert those robots, 1006 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,400 you take away the impetus to work, 1007 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,080 men are not going, it's gonna naturally cure itself 1008 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,480 because we don't have to be buying into greed. 1009 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,120 It's an alternative that may shift a thing. 1010 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,880 And now I've gotta learn how to have empathy 1011 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,680 because I'm not working as much 1012 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,760 and I wanna actually hang out with my friends, 1013 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,760 but if I don't learn empathy, 1014 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,280 I can't hang out with anybody. 1015 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,080 And we're in an existential crisis right now 1016 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,400 that is profound. 1017 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,240 So- 1018 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,240 My hope is that AI starts to realize 1019 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,000 what they did in the fourth matrix 1020 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,480 where they actually ended up working together. 1021 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,880 Once Neil went into the machine 1022 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,320 and made a deal to be absorbed into the one 1023 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,840 and took out agent Smith, who'd become this aberration. 1024 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,400 Agent Smith himself had become this aberration 1025 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,560 that was gonna destroy everything. 1026 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,160 And the machine itself is saying, 1027 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960 this guy's become unplugged, he's an absolute disaster. 1028 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,160 Okay, let's work on shutting him down. 1029 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,040 And then obviously everything dropped 1030 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,840 and then fast forward to the fourth one in resurrections 1031 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,520 where you're actually seeing AI working with humans. 1032 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,360 And I think ideally the scenario is AI gets so smart 1033 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,720 that they're actually realizing if they fail to do 1034 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,920 and to work hand in hand with us 1035 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,240 that they're gonna try to destroy it, 1036 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,760 that they're gonna cause their own self-destruction. 1037 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,720 Kind of like what we say on Terminator, right? 1038 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,040 Where we're coming back to destroy that entire thing. 1039 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:19,880 And they did, right? 1040 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,840 And they destroyed Skynet before it actually came 1041 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,560 into fruition in Terminator 2. 1042 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,400 So that's my hope. 1043 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,120 But at the same time, you have all horaries out there saying, 1044 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,840 hey, there's gonna be a bunch of guys out there 1045 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,040 that are just useful idiots for video games and whatever, 1046 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,920 and they're kind of unuseful. 1047 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,200 So he's literally on camera saying like, 1048 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,120 we can eliminate these people, right? 1049 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,960 They're like this massive humanity. 1050 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,480 So that's talk about another existential crisis. 1051 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,080 If you can't provide value, 1052 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,800 then you're gonna just be incinerated. 1053 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,200 So that scares the shit out of me. 1054 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,760 Well, it goes back to the World Wars. 1055 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,160 During World War I and World War II, 1056 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,720 an average of 1,000 people died a day. 1057 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,800 Wow. 1058 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,120 Think about it, okay? 1059 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,720 So what's interesting is how much is not broadcast 1060 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,960 of like the Ukraine War and Israel's war with Hamas. 1061 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,720 The reality is that social media is fundamentally 1062 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,240 changed the way we share information, 1063 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,560 so bullshit can't travel fast, okay? 1064 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,760 The world is starting to call bluff to say, 1065 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,640 hey, listen, what is the fricking point of war? 1066 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,480 What is the fricking point of all of this? 1067 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,600 Like, why are we doing this? 1068 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,120 And I think fundamentally, the younger generation 1069 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,400 are waking up and saying, I don't want it anymore. 1070 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,720 That's what we learned from Davidson last week 1071 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,120 or a couple of weeks ago is they're saying enough, 1072 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,440 but they don't have the power. 1073 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,200 And I think what's gonna happen over this next, 1074 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,520 probably three to five years is we're gonna see a shift 1075 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,520 to, oh, from what I call competition, 1076 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,800 like the world is a competition with each other. 1077 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,640 That's the fundamental problem with capitalism 1078 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,680 is it's always about competition. 1079 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,000 What about cooperation? 1080 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,200 What if the 99% said, screw that? 1081 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,680 What if we all got together and started to do something 1082 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,280 started creating cooperative economies that work together? 1083 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,680 We've got the robots now. 1084 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,280 I think what's dying is the dollar. 1085 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,840 The money as a concept is dying. 1086 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,520 And if you take that away, you start with a flat world 1087 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,080 that is very, very different. 1088 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,120 And I'm really curious. 1089 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,720 My prognostication is then the next three to five years, 1090 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,240 we are going to see a massive shift 1091 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,680 that is gonna fundamentally change everything we do. 1092 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,520 I really do. 1093 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,360 Yeah. 1094 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,200 So. 1095 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,040 Wow. 1096 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,240 All right. 1097 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,080 Good stuff. 1098 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,680 Let's go a little bit lighter and talk about, 1099 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,320 you wanted to talk about some nutrition. 1100 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,600 What do you wanna talk about? 1101 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,560 Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's going on. 1102 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,000 And maybe this is just me, 1103 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,000 but I came back from the trip to Istanbul and Greece. 1104 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,000 And while I don't feel, I actually weighed a buck 93. 1105 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,920 So my ideal weight, 1106 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,760 if I could actually have this magic wand, I'd be buck 75. 1107 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,680 I'm sure you've got a magic weight too. 1108 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,440 And I've had this, just like everybody has at the gym, 1109 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,160 they're trying to put up two plates or three plates 1110 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,000 and you never get there. 1111 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,880 It's just that one mental physical barrier. 1112 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,120 Getting below 180 has just been impossible for me. 1113 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,080 So even having gone through ice baths and workout sessions, 1114 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,040 what I've actually come back recently to discover is, 1115 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,840 it's a lot about what you've done, 1116 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,120 but I think it just, I'm trying to figure out 1117 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,400 it's some additional supplementation. 1118 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,480 So I feel leaner than I've been before. 1119 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,760 I feel a little bit more ripped. 1120 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,000 You look lean. 1121 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,200 Yeah, it feels good. 1122 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,480 And maybe it's the shaved head, man. 1123 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,240 That's kind of put that kind of top down approach. 1124 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,600 But when I got back, I said, 1125 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,240 okay, I gotta freaking get my shit together. 1126 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,600 So I did exactly what you did, 1127 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,520 where it's intermittent fasting, but I wasn't drinking. 1128 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,080 For me, the key thing is, 1129 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,280 I can't stress this enough 1130 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,240 with all of the podcast listeners out here. 1131 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,640 If you get rid of alcohol out of your system, 1132 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,520 it's gonna just change everything. 1133 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,320 That's the thing that nobody wants 1134 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,880 to actually fully agree with, 1135 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,080 because it's just such a crutch for us. 1136 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,560 But I have to- Why do you think for you? 1137 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,920 Well, it's just a natural thing, 1138 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,160 because I mean, when you actually get to it, 1139 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,200 whenever you create an excuse for drinking, you do it. 1140 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,520 And what I realize is, 1141 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,480 the reason I realize I'm not an alcoholic 1142 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,400 is because one of my priority was for my head, 1143 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,640 that I literally had to not have anything days before 1144 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,480 and days after. 1145 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,360 Like, I went 10 days without anything, 1146 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,760 except for a glass of wine that they said, 1147 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,360 it doesn't really matter. 1148 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,400 But those 10 days, I lost the pain in my shoulder 1149 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,440 that I'd had. 1150 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,400 And I realized if I had a cause that was good enough, 1151 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,160 I was able to adhere to it, right? 1152 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,800 And so what we have to do in our own mind is, 1153 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,040 we have to look at the goal, 1154 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,280 and we have to look at the overall health of ourself, 1155 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,360 inflammation, everything, and say, 1156 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,520 that priority is gonna transcend that friend's birthday 1157 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,080 in three days, or 4th of July barbecue with beers 1158 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,120 and this, or sickle to my mouth, 1159 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,080 because this is going back to this Asian guy. 1160 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,680 Our society has Merlot Day, freaking taco Tuesday, 1161 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,040 oh, it's tequila, right? 1162 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,120 There's literally in your face, if you're on Instagram, 1163 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,960 you're seeing a new reason to have a martini 1164 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,320 or something else, or a glass of wine, 1165 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,320 or celebrate your mom. 1166 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,520 And what I found was that first 10 days back, 1167 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,520 eight days back, I lost eight pounds, Jonathan, 1168 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,240 and they went lower, lower, lower, 1169 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,440 and it was this idea of, if I stopped eating at 6.30, 1170 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,000 it's not even an eight hour window now, 1171 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,720 it was like a six and a half hour window, seven hour window. 1172 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,200 I literally don't have anything 1173 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,720 except for a little bit of coffee, maybe a touch of cream, 1174 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,320 and then I have a smoothie like you did. 1175 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,200 I broke it up between having just a very high protein, 1176 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,400 like set of sardines and maybe some olives, 1177 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,920 or just a light meal, or this, 1178 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,200 I think the smoothie is so key, 1179 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,400 because when your body is craving something, 1180 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,840 it's got that liquid in them, even if you have a banana, 1181 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,360 even if you have some carbs, it doesn't matter, and protein, 1182 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,880 that really just helps that process. 1183 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,280 And I went down to 184 within that. 1184 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,920 And of course, what happens the next weekend, 1185 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,240 wine tasting up with friends and solving, 1186 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,640 and it became to me like clockwork. 1187 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,120 It was just a no-brainer. 1188 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,200 I know exactly the formula now, 1189 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,000 and I think that everybody needs to find that for themselves, 1190 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,480 but if they pull, they take that alcohol out of the system 1191 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,600 for five days, what ends up happening is 1192 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,720 if you do indulge over the weekend, 1193 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,120 then when you do it up again, it comes back into place. 1194 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,680 So one of the biggest barriers that I had was, 1195 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,920 I've been, let's say you've been on a freaking bender 1196 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,360 for a week and a half, to be able to come off of that 1197 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,520 and to see the results you want to, 1198 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,000 it takes so much more time. 1199 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,160 But once you get yourself in that zone of like five days off 1200 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,560 and then two days on, then when you go back to that next week, 1201 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,320 then you see it work in that kind of flow. 1202 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,720 Anyway, that's what I noticed recently. 1203 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,280 Well, you said a lot about it, 1204 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,440 I want to focus on the intermittent fasting part. 1205 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,880 I think there's two things that happen in your thing. 1206 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,120 One, you switched your diets. 1207 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,080 When did you switch to intermittent fasting? 1208 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,360 When you got back from Istanbul? 1209 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,240 I've done intermittent fasting all the time, 1210 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,840 but the problem is, is that when you have- 1211 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,360 But you did it intentionally different. 1212 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,160 You reduced the alcohol. 1213 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,000 That was it. 1214 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,520 The question is, when did you lose your weight? 1215 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,600 I lost it when I got back. 1216 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,320 I was, because I thought it was- 1217 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,280 You didn't lose it on the trip. 1218 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,360 Well, it's because you ate a lot of carbs, right? 1219 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,920 I mean, every meal had rice and pita bread. 1220 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,120 I'm gonna bring this up. 1221 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,040 European diets do not include processed foods. 1222 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,160 That's true. 1223 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,880 So European diets are very different than American diets 1224 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,720 because the food is not processed. 1225 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,080 If you look at the labels, 1226 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640 they're primarily whole grain elements. 1227 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,640 And so I'm wondering if the shift of the European diet 1228 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,360 flowed into your intermittent fasting, 1229 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,160 which is going primarily towards proteins, 1230 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,000 because here's the thing. 1231 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,920 I think every human being probably lives 1232 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,920 in 10 pounds of inflammation. 1233 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,280 Because every time I started a new, 1234 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,520 because all disease comes, 1235 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,880 it originates through inflammation of the body. 1236 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,720 They know that now. 1237 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:18,880 It's very, very clear. 1238 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,480 And so every single time I've started 1239 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,480 an intermittent fast intentionally, 1240 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,160 I lose that inflammation weight. 1241 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,560 Usually it's like 10 pounds, just like that. 1242 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,760 And then the real hard work comes, 1243 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,200 but the intermittent fasting, 1244 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,840 what I've learned is when you get into that process, 1245 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,800 your body really starts to look forward to it 1246 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,480 because it's developing a pattern and it'll follow along. 1247 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,480 When I was clear, and I agree, 1248 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,360 no alcohol was a key indicator 1249 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,400 primarily because it converts to sugars, I think. 1250 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,720 That's just a guess. 1251 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,640 Your body gets into a habit, 1252 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,520 and I was losing a pound a day. 1253 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,360 A pound a day. 1254 00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,600 Okay, a pound a day. 1255 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,440 Yeah, a pound a day. 1256 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,280 But I'm heavy. 1257 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,480 When I started, I was 250. 1258 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,360 Now I'm at two, I think I'm 230. 1259 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,200 So I fluctuate between 225 and 230. 1260 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,120 So you went down to 220. 1261 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,440 Yeah, you went down to 220. 1262 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,280 I went to 225. 1263 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,840 At your best, because you lost 30 pounds. 1264 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,800 And then yeah, but that's still pretty good. 1265 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,560 You're only about five pounds above that. 1266 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,640 For me, when I got down to my 182, 183, 1267 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,280 during my one fast back in the spring, 1268 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,120 I went back to the 190. 1269 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,160 So I hover now in the 190 area, 1270 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,200 and then I try to get down to the low. 1271 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,880 So my weight is less than yours, 1272 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,880 and yet I still have this bigger volume, bigger swing. 1273 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,720 It's because you don't drink as much as I do. 1274 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,040 That's the main thing, I think. 1275 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:39,880 How often do you drink? 1276 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,080 You don't need to that much. 1277 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,160 We'll drink four times a week in this household, 1278 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,000 or more sometimes. 1279 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000 I mean, it's not uncommon to have a glass of wine 1280 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,840 every day. 1281 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,760 I will rarely. 1282 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,600 One more. 1283 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,600 I used to drink wine pretty consistently 1284 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,600 since I moved to Discovery Bay. 1285 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,160 This is a drinking community. 1286 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,200 So I'll drink on the weekends, 1287 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,320 but I try and limit it to the weekends 1288 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,080 because I don't like the inflammation. 1289 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,280 I don't like the hangover. 1290 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,120 I never get drunk. 1291 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:11,960 That's it. 1292 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,800 I never get drunk. 1293 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,400 I just don't like the feeling, 1294 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,600 and I don't like the feeling after the fact 1295 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,920 because it's primarily dehydration. 1296 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,320 You can feel the inflammation in your body. 1297 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,160 I'm lethargic. 1298 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,840 I don't like that feeling at all. 1299 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,920 But I do enjoy alcohol. 1300 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,760 I do. 1301 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,000 That's been sort of the curve for me is I enjoy it, 1302 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,880 but I don't drink it that much. 1303 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,720 You enjoy it as much as me? 1304 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:37,120 I'll have one beer. 1305 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,800 I don't drink like six or seven beers. 1306 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,200 Having an amazing Cabernet with a great steak, 1307 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,000 I mean, that's something that you can relish. 1308 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,080 You just pair the two. 1309 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,680 But for me, this right shoulder was such a pleasure 1310 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,760 and such a pain for me. 1311 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,040 And I was like, okay, what am I doing? 1312 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,680 I need to go to the chiropractor. 1313 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,080 I need to get this acupuncture, more ice bath. 1314 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,400 And I was on this trip. 1315 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,320 Imagine sleeping. 1316 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,080 You're sleeping in a whole bunch of different spots. 1317 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,000 We had a hotel in Corfu. 1318 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,120 We had an Airbnb in Istanbul. 1319 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,400 Then we had another Airbnb. 1320 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,800 Then I had a hotel. 1321 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,960 And I'm literally in random places on random pillows, 1322 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,800 which is always a problem. 1323 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,040 And I come back and I go, oh, there's no pain anymore. 1324 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,400 And then I was good and didn't feel any pain. 1325 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,840 And then you go into that bender weekend or so, 1326 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,880 and then all of a sudden, oh, it's back. 1327 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,600 And it's that so easy. 1328 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,840 So maybe the other question I might have is, 1329 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,760 if you bring in one glass of wine into your meal 1330 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,560 so that you're having that glass at 6.30, 1331 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,200 for me, the key thing with intermittent fasting, 1332 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,200 which is almost, you can't break it. 1333 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,080 You have to be legalistic about intermittent fasting, 1334 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,840 Jonathan, you have to be legalistic. 1335 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,560 We don't like to be the idea of being legalistic. 1336 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,200 But if you really wanna see what that autophagy 1337 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,440 and what that thing does, 1338 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,600 you cannot have any calories in between them. 1339 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,600 When you have that extra whiskey at 9.30 1340 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,160 watching Game of Thrones or House of Dragon, 1341 00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,320 that's what kills you. 1342 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,000 It's not even just the volume. 1343 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,640 It's that extra piece that you have empty calories, correct, 1344 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,280 that your body is fighting to metabolize 1345 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,720 ahead of everything else. 1346 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,920 And that's what causes it the next day, even in moderation. 1347 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,920 So for me, it's both and. 1348 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,520 I think also going to the other side of the world 1349 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,080 probably put you in a different emotional state. 1350 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,640 Going across the world to unfamiliarity, 1351 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,280 it's a constant limit. 1352 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,120 It's called a liminal state. 1353 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,440 And what a liminal state is when you, 1354 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,920 everything is brand new 1355 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,120 because you don't have the defense mechanism 1356 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,760 set up like you do at home. 1357 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,880 When you live at home, you know all the corners. 1358 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:43,880 You know everything. 1359 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,960 You don't have to worry about anything, 1360 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,240 but when you're in a new world, 1361 00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,720 you have to be present for everything. 1362 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:53,120 And I'm really curious how that affected your body. 1363 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,080 Did it distract you from, 1364 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,760 because the muscle pain is just something emotional, 1365 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,800 but you weren't focused on it and it went away. 1366 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,640 And then you came home and I don't know, I'm just guessing. 1367 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,760 But I think going overseas 1368 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,120 kind of took you out of your norm substantially. 1369 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,560 Yeah, yeah. 1370 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,400 It also got me into the- 1371 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,040 Eating and intermittent fasting gave you 1372 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,800 a new process for your body. 1373 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000 Are you gonna stick with it? 1374 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,360 I'm gonna stick, because this is, I know this now. 1375 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,640 And I think with the question, 1376 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:21,720 I should probably try, 1377 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,920 what I should try to do to mix things up is like, 1378 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,400 do I do a smoothie all week? 1379 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,720 So sometimes I get tired of a smoothie. 1380 00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,400 You are so good about that muscle milk 1381 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,880 and the protein and everything. 1382 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,000 And for me, it's like, dude, 1383 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,840 I would love to have that leftover carne asada 1384 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,600 with a few vegetables and some salsa 1385 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,920 and just something else. 1386 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,400 And so for me, I think one of the things I'm gonna try 1387 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,680 is if I just, in one entire week, 1388 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,600 I'll just have my almond milk, my 26 grams of protein, 1389 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,040 a banana, blueberries, some ice, 1390 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,000 and then maybe some collagen. 1391 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,400 Yeah, we'll see how that goes. 1392 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,880 I think the hard part is, 1393 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,120 one of the things that I realized that you just touched on 1394 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,120 is when you have the capacity to say yes, 1395 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,520 especially to really enjoyable parts of life, 1396 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,880 it's hard to say no. 1397 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,400 When someone busts out a really great bottle of wine 1398 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,280 or busts out a really nice tequila or a whiskey, 1399 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,680 it's like, it's hard to say no 1400 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,880 because that's part of the enjoyment of life. 1401 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,120 And I think one of the things that I learned 1402 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,960 through intimate fasting was, 1403 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:34,280 I've gotta start teaching my body how to say no 1404 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,680 because I'm always saying yes. 1405 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:41,440 I'm always saying yes to the things that I want. 1406 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,160 And what is the cost of that to me 1407 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,800 when I'm constantly indulging? 1408 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,400 Because indulging is part of life, 1409 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,760 but when I'm 255, it's starting to affect me. 1410 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,760 And I think that's the thing. 1411 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,960 There's tremendous value in just the process 1412 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,000 of intermittent fasting because it's saying, 1413 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,800 I'm in control of my body. 1414 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,800 Because when I have, it's not a clock at night, 1415 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,360 I get up and I graze. 1416 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,280 I have two chips, three grapes, a piece of salami, 1417 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,560 a chip, I'm serious, dude. 1418 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,000 It's like, I just graze because I want flavors. 1419 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,720 And what I realized when I started my intermittent fasting, 1420 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,840 I said to myself, for 60 days, I'm not gonna cheat at all. 1421 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,120 And I did it and it was rockstar 1422 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,240 because I put my body into a constant state 1423 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,440 and then I fell off. 1424 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,600 And when I fell off, I stopped losing weight. 1425 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,200 So part of it is gaining the sense of control 1426 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,840 over our own bodies to say, no, I love carne asada, 1427 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,160 but not today. 1428 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,000 That's hard. 1429 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,520 Well, the other thing I would think, 1430 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,120 so what I did yesterday afternoon, 1431 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,680 which I felt pretty good about is I had olives, 1432 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,440 a little bit of chorizo, some salami, 1433 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,640 and then I had, there was one other thing, 1434 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,680 but for you, instead of getting a chip, 1435 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,920 how about trying a Parmesan crisp, 1436 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,000 which has a lot better for you and it's cheese 1437 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,840 and it's a protein. 1438 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,640 So maybe for you, it might be mixing that grazing up. 1439 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,600 So if I'm grazing, if you've got olives, dude, 1440 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,400 olives are so freaking good for you. 1441 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,960 They've got healthy fats. 1442 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,400 We used it when we were doing our five day fast. 1443 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,600 They're a great source, obviously, of fiber. 1444 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,840 And then that anti-inflammatory quality, 1445 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,360 having that, going with pork, 1446 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,280 even though it's nitrite free is not the best. 1447 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,920 So maybe you go with like a beef stick, 1448 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,160 a grass fed beef stick or something to help fill you up 1449 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,440 that you know is also gonna be good for you. 1450 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,680 A carrots, maybe they don't work the same way, 1451 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,920 but I think grazing shouldn't be frowned upon 1452 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,600 unless it's really gonna be detrimentally caloric wise. 1453 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,440 Yeah. 1454 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,800 And I think ultimately it comes down to, 1455 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,920 can I control my body? 1456 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,160 I think that was what I was really trying to dig into is, 1457 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,280 I started seeing the weight really come off 1458 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,600 and it was simply because I said no. 1459 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,800 You know, I did the work and part of the journey for me 1460 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,080 is not just about how do I lose the weight, 1461 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,840 but why am I not losing the weight consistently? 1462 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,000 It's because I'm lazy. 1463 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,120 It was really hard. 1464 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,600 The biggest thing that I learned the last two years 1465 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,400 is that I can be lazy because I can afford to be. 1466 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,080 And it's- 1467 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,560 But what if you couldn't afford to be? 1468 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:24,400 Yeah. 1469 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,520 But the value of self-control 1470 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,120 through that entire experience was infinitely greater 1471 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,640 than the gain from the Karnia Sada. 1472 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,680 That's what I learned is the more that I put my body 1473 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,120 under my control, the more I benefited from it. 1474 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,640 And it's whatever it is. 1475 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,360 When they go to the gym for 30 days, 1476 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,400 they don't do it for a week, they go for 30 days, 1477 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,200 they go, God, I love the way I feel. 1478 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,560 And that's the value of self-control is 1479 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,960 we love how we feel. 1480 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,800 So. 1481 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:53,640 Yeah. 1482 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,360 Awesome, man. 1483 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,720 You'll wanna talk about, 1484 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,080 did you mention we've got a podcast guest next week? 1485 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,080 The guy that had that kind of talking about- 1486 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:02,920 He dropped out. 1487 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:03,760 He did? 1488 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:04,600 He dropped out, yeah. 1489 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,440 He said he didn't wanna come in. 1490 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,280 I was kinda surprised. 1491 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,240 He was like totally jacked up and then he, 1492 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,920 and then he said, sorry, I can't, I don't wanna do it. 1493 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,080 Not like can we reschedule it? 1494 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,000 I don't wanna do it, so I'll- 1495 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,080 That's really bizarre. 1496 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,560 I was really impressed though. 1497 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,560 You and I both commented on this with Brittany 1498 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:26,040 in terms of that, dude, there was something that came through. 1499 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,760 It wasn't just her actual physical words. 1500 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,960 There was something inside of her mind. 1501 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,360 It was so unscripted and real and helpful. 1502 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,280 She was processing emotionally her own loneliness. 1503 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,600 Yes, yes. 1504 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,240 It was wild. It was incredible. 1505 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,080 It really was wild. 1506 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,520 I wouldn't mind having her back on. 1507 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,080 I think she broke through, man. 1508 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,920 You said that was her emotional power. 1509 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,320 You wanna reach out to her? 1510 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,240 Yeah, but what you said right there was, 1511 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,000 because what she was basically saying is, 1512 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,520 what if, it'd be like having somebody in a coma 1513 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,080 and they're loving their world. 1514 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,200 You know that they're in a very peaceful place. 1515 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,360 Nothing else is gonna change. 1516 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,920 They're gonna die or something else. 1517 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,760 Would you wake them up? 1518 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,240 And they're saying, what if they are in this environment 1519 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,360 with healthy people and they're living healthy lives 1520 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,520 and they're doing this, 1521 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,240 would you try to take them out of that reverie 1522 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,000 and maybe leave them alone for a little bit? 1523 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,480 There was just so many things going on in that post. 1524 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:18,520 I thought it was excellent. 1525 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,480 I think we should see if she can come on. 1526 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,200 Because I think fundamentally we learn a lot 1527 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,240 when we question our own assumptions 1528 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,360 and that's what she was doing. 1529 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,600 She was saying, what is the cost of me believing 1530 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,000 that this is it? 1531 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,200 The whole conundrum of, 1532 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,800 do I talk people out of their joy 1533 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,280 when I know they're not going to experience that joy? 1534 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,000 That was a profound thought. 1535 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,120 Dude, that's union. 1536 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,080 This is what we've been talking about. 1537 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,400 Maybe it's the point of the love that you talked about 1538 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,400 where it's the meeting. 1539 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,280 It's like, let's just, can't we get along? 1540 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,440 It can't be that simple, but it is. 1541 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:03,200 It's like unified field or the source or God, right? 1542 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,360 How about the same thing? 1543 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,520 We're in the same place. 1544 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,360 We're vibrating at the same level 1545 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,200 and it's all about love and it's all about union 1546 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,480 and peace with our fellow man, right? 1547 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,320 That's it. 1548 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,720 Yeah, awesome, brother. 1549 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,560 All right, everybody. 1550 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,280 This has been another, I love these topic episodes 1551 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,160 because they always get interesting. 1552 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,880 We always get to share our hearts. 1553 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,080 To all of our listeners, we appreciate you. 1554 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,200 Thank you for listening and would love to know who you are. 1555 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,040 Please comment, review and share. 1556 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,080 Subscribe to our podcast if you can. 1557 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,080 It's 4th of July week and to all those out there, 1558 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,520 please enjoy, be safe, don't get hurt. 1559 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,360 Be safe. 1560 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,000 Any final words, Rich? 1561 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,080 No, don't be like Ben Stiller in Tropic Thunder. 1562 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,960 He gets his arms blown off, blown off. 1563 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,080 So anyway, have a good one, everybody. 1564 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,040 All right, much love, everybody. 1565 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:54,880 Take care. 1566 01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:13,880 So let's get started.