1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 of what it means to be human in today's world. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,000 All right. Welcome to Living in the Matrix, everyone. 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000 I'm Jonathan. This is my co-host Rich. Say hello, Rich. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Hey, everybody. Happy Friday and happy pre-Fathers Day weekend 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 for all you fathers or people who have been here because of a father, 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 which I think makes 99.9% of us. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Happy Father's Day. Great to be here. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Yeah. Father's Day is this weekend. My kids... 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Can you bring it? 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,000 It's an awesome thing to be a father. 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,000 So today we have a guest. His name is Chris King. 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Chris has a unique story of this constant process of overcoming 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,000 significant adversity and really kind of... 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 He chose to abandon a lucrative career and instead pursue something 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:03,000 that he felt was transforming his life and ended up in a space 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,000 where he's the witch doctor to guide people in unlocking their potential 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 and achieving the extraordinary. 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 I think this is going to be a fabulous conversation. 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Chris, welcome. 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Absolutely. So yours is a story of overcoming adversity. 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Why don't you give us the setup so people understand where you're coming from 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,000 and kind of like where did you start and how did you get to here? 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Well, most of the adversity was self-imposed. 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I have a unique propensity for shooting myself in the foot. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 I can't say that I'm a victim of anything. 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 I will say this much. I grew up in a very privileged neighborhood 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:55,000 in a very scary house and my eldest sister died when she was 11 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 and so I was raised in the wake of that. 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,000 And so it was a house of grief and rage and abuse and addiction 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 and I built my life on those pillars. 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,000 As you can imagine, it doesn't work so well. 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,000 So I had to decode and recode my entire operating system 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:23,000 and learn how to recalibrate myself to a completely different life. 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Wow. So let's start with the obvious question. 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,000 How do you decode and recode? 40 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Because that's a great concept. We talked about it a lot. 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Break it down how you did it. 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Yeah, there's, I mean, the first thing you got to under see, there's awareness, right? 43 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 You got to become aware. 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Now, the awareness starts with just take a look at your outer reality, right? 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Because your outer reality is going to reflect to you your inner experience 46 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,000 and everything that you believe, that you really believe, consciously or otherwise. 47 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 So when I looked at my outer reality and I was like, oh, let's see, okay, 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 I've got addiction issues, I've been divorced a couple of times, 49 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,000 I, you know, launch careers, do pretty well and then completely trash them. 50 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 I do the same with relationships. 51 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Like taking an honest look without judgment, without shame, 52 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,000 without telling myself I'm a piece of shit or whatever, being very, just an analytical, 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 here's the reality and the end result of my physical world reality, 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 that's going to give me a pretty good indicator of what I think and believe. 55 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Yeah. I mean, what you're talking about, we've had, you know, neuroscientists on, 56 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 there's this idea where people could be really successful. 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 We talk about golfers a lot who get to that pinnacle and they just implode, right? 58 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,000 They're on the edge of a precipice of breaking through and they don't. 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 There's something that draws them back and obviously it's themselves 60 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 because they can be crushing it and they can be 10 strokes ahead of everybody, 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 like a Jordan Spieth, for instance, right? 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 And then you watch Full 10 Cup happen at Masters, right? 63 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,000 So when you're observing this in yourself and you're looking at others 64 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 and you see people that are always up at that higher level 65 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 but they never really fully break through, 66 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 what do you think are some of the root causes and how would you suggest, 67 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 you've overcome them? 68 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 If you can, I mean, are you actually noticing this coming again? 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,000 You're seeing it, you're about ready to get there and all of a sudden 70 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 something triggers in you. 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Tell us how that experience happens when you've actually fallen 72 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,000 and maybe how you're able to overcome falling the next time around. 73 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 That's a great question I'd like to ask. 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Okay. So getting to that point on the precipice of success 75 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 and then tanking the whole thing. 76 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,000 I'm going to sound like a lawyer here. 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 It depends. 78 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:46,000 So because we're talking about a personal individual reality 79 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 that was created by a personal individual belief system 80 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,000 and so it's going to be personal and individual to anybody. 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,000 There may be some consistent patterns or maybe some similarities, 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 but it could be any number of things. 83 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 It could be a self-sabotage thing because there's an unconscious belief 84 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 that I don't deserve it. 85 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,000 It could be a self-concept issue where I just can't see myself 86 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 at that level of success. 87 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 I don't understand who that person is in that reality. 88 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,000 So I mean, there's so many answers to that question. 89 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I don't know that I could say that this is the thing, 90 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,000 which in my work, very rare can we say this is the thing. 91 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,000 It's going to be wildly different, human team to team, business to business. 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:40,000 So I mean, when you think about somebody who did overcome, 93 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 let's say the Roger Bannister mile, the four mile run, right? 94 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 So huge, everybody talks about this, right? 95 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:51,000 So happened to this time prior, nobody had broken four minutes in a mile. 96 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,000 And he came together, he actually had a team, he had a pacer, 97 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 he had multiple people. 98 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 And you hear the story about how once he overcame that, 99 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 then all of a sudden you saw more and more and more. 100 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,000 56 people did it the next year. 101 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Yeah. 102 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,000 So I don't know if that's called the collective unconscious 103 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000 or like what Carl Jung might talk about. 104 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 But in that particular example, it did appear that there were some patterns 105 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 that people were able to overcome. 106 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000 So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is if you're a coach, 107 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 it would be really good to see the patterns that people go through 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 and be able to identify their own unique situations. 109 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Like, okay, this guy's definitely suffering from don't deserve it syndrome. 110 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:33,000 This guy's suffering from, or this gal's suffering from, 111 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 haven't ever visualized it, right? 112 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 And I think a lot of women, this is what a lot of women struggle for, 113 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,000 because sometimes when you're working for them to break the glass ceiling, 114 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 for instance, and get into upper levels of, let's say, leadership or et cetera, 115 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 they always have to become inauthentic. 116 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 They can't even be their own selves. 117 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 They've got to feel like they belong with the boys. 118 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,000 So have you seen circumstances, situations, if you would, where... 119 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Yeah. 120 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:01,000 I think if I boil it down to one thing, and I'll say 80% of our, 121 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,000 the tenures of this organization, 80% of our clientele have been women. 122 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 That's good. 123 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,000 So ultimately, if there's a thread, and while men and women are wildly different, 124 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:19,000 including in this work, I would say that if there is a common theme 125 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,000 through all of these things, it's going to be that you create 126 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,000 the reality of your understanding. 127 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Like, if you believe it to be this way, you will see it that way, 128 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 you will drive it that way. 129 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 People say, seeing is believing. 130 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Wrong. 131 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Believing is seeing, hence the banister thing, right? 132 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 That's, you know, collective consciousness changed, so everything changed. 133 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Now, if I want to get really kind of, somewhere straddle the line 134 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,000 between Wu and science, when you start to believe something, 135 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 something happens, A, in your psychology, B, in your neurochemistry, 136 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 and C, in your energy field. 137 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,000 You start, and this is where I'm going to say Wu, 138 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,000 vibrating at a different frequency, right? 139 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:08,000 And so you start to move into the frequency of the person who did it 140 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 simply by starting to believe it can be done, right? 141 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 You're already making a shift in your field. 142 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,000 So I would say if there's any one thing to all of the things that you mentioned, 143 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 like, you know, where I say it's wildly different person to person, 144 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 if there is a common theme, it's going to be, 145 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 they are going to create the reality of their understanding 146 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 and belief to that point. 147 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Yeah, and I think that's part of the awareness process is you've got to first discover 148 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 that you can even change the pattern. 149 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Most people... 150 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 You don't have to discover it. 151 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 You just got to be dumb enough to think you can. 152 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:46,000 I've done things in my life that just can't be done, you know? 153 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,000 And it's because I was smart enough to do it, 154 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,000 I was driven enough to do it, and dumb enough to think that I actually could. 155 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 So when you're in that position of thinking you're... 156 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,000 Well, let's take an example of being homeless or destitute, right? 157 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:08,000 We have a returning guest on our podcast who was raped between the ages of 9 and 14, 158 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:16,000 incarcerated, and he ends up telling us that he created those instances for himself 159 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 through nonlinear time, right? 160 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,000 He, in his own mind, was able to create those things. 161 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 He's not blaming anybody. 162 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000 He's not the victim in that case. 163 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,000 He's actually the creator of those experiences so that he can actually draw from them. 164 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,000 It's mind-blowing, right, in that regard. 165 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 But let me ask you on a specific example. 166 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 You're homeless, Venice Beach, Jim Morrison's nowhere to be found because he's dead. 167 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 But you're there. 168 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:44,000 How do you say, okay, how the hell did I get here and how the hell am I getting out? 169 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Well, again, my not having a place to live was chosen, right? 170 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Because I just didn't want to do the soul-sucking life kind of thing. 171 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:03,000 And so it wasn't like, you know, I wasn't a military vet or there's not a mental illness thing, 172 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 although, you know, my ex-girlfriends might disagree. 173 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:14,000 So it's going to depend on what that individual, how they got there. 174 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:21,000 But what you are saying and what he, your previous guest is saying is that he understands that he is, 175 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 in fact, the sole creator of his reality. 176 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,000 And this does have to do with our thoughts, our feelings, our actions and all those things. 177 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 It has to do with our energy field. 178 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 And it does have to do with what we believe. 179 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,000 And so if I found myself in a very uncomfortable situation, 180 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,000 the point where I thought, oh, dear God, this is really how it ends. 181 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,000 And I was in a dark parking lot underground with a very scary individual. 182 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 And I thought, this is it. 183 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:58,000 And it took me a good 20, 25 minutes to talk this guy off the ledge and keep him from killing me. 184 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:04,000 And I was it was such an energetic violation. 185 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:15,000 And I spent a good couple of weeks, like really, I mean, pissed off, angry, you know, just that that sense of being violated in a way. 186 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 And, you know, thank God nothing happened. 187 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,000 But I had to look through the lens of how did I bring this into my reality? 188 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 How did how did this physical world reality manifest? 189 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 But you don't have to get into a scary situation to do this for yourself. 190 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:39,000 OK, if you're driving around town and three or four people cut you off in a span of 15 minutes, ask yourself, why is this in my field? 191 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Like anything that happens to you that you don't like, why is this in my field? 192 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,000 As soon as you ask that question, as soon as you as soon as you think that question, you will hear the answer. 193 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Yes. Yeah. 194 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Yeah, a lot of people don't. I think the concept of attraction and understanding like we're huge fans of Dr. 195 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Hawkins with a consciousness scale. 196 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:08,000 I've been following him for about 15 years and that concept of I can change my vibration. 197 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Most people don't even know it exists. 198 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,000 They live in a very Newtonian world. This is everything is fixed. 199 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:22,000 You're caused by your genes, you know, and the world is really shifting in terms of its awareness that no, no, no, no. 200 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,000 There's actually something called neuroplasticity. 201 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Let's do and how do I raise my vibration? 202 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 I think the world is waking up to that. 203 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,000 How did you discover that for yourself? 204 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,000 How did you become aware? 205 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:45,000 I think I've always kind of had a sense of it. 206 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,000 I don't I don't know that I don't know the answer to that question. 207 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,000 So you didn't have a moment where you became aware of what you didn't know before? 208 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Well, I'm a systems guy. 209 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Like at the end of the day, everything is a system. 210 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:08,000 And, you know, my old man, he's an electromagnetic compatibility engineer. 211 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,000 He never went to college. He barely graduated high school. 212 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 And that's the career he built. 213 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:19,000 And so talk about a systems guy. I mean, he's like an uber propeller head. Right. 214 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,000 But everything is is energy and physics. 215 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,000 And so it's so the idea that things are really fixed. 216 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:36,000 It just doesn't really make a lot of sense when you see people that have miraculous recoveries when Western medicine is like, you're going to be dead in a week or something. 217 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:47,000 And so so there is a sort of an obviousness to the bending of reality. 218 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Do you think most people go ahead, gentlemen? 219 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Sorry, Chris, do you think most people are actually aware of that, though? 220 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:02,000 The way you are. 221 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:16,000 I don't know. I would say some people probably resist the idea, because when we when we start having these conversations, there's there's a cost to all of this. 222 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:29,000 And, you know, the cost to getting what you really want or making significant changes in your life, it all boils down to personal responsibility. 223 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:41,000 You just can't offload responsibility for anything if you're going to create the more responsibility that you accept, the more empowered you are to affect everything. 224 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,000 And personal responsibility is in short supply. 225 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,000 And that's apparent to you. You just kind of always thought that way. 226 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Well, my father was big on that. You know, even as a kid, he would say, you know, I'd say something like, you know, my friend, Matthew, pissed me off or something. 227 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,000 And he'd be like, Matthew doesn't make you mad. That's that's that's a function of control. 228 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Like, nobody controls you. You know, that makes sense. 229 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,000 You know, Dan was was aware. That's cool. Dan was pretty aware. Yeah. 230 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:14,000 I mean, he went through his his his journey was difficult. 231 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,000 So but, you know, through the difficult journey, you learn a lot. 232 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:26,000 And so while even when I was too young to really understand what he was talking about, you know, we didn't talk baseball growing up, he was him being the engineer that he was. 233 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,000 He wanted to talk quantum mechanics and string theory and subatomic physics. 234 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:39,000 And so we didn't talk baseball, you know, and he would he would bring a lot of concepts that, you know, at the time, I couldn't really grasp. 235 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:47,000 But I think it planted enough seeds to where I was able to figure things out or hook into it later. 236 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:54,000 That's great that you got this. I mean, what's funny about it is because it's an intellectual understanding based on what he was telling you. 237 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 And yet it goes into the space. Right. 238 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 When we start talking about quantum entanglement, we start talking about the unified field. 239 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,000 That's where it's called theoretical physics for a reason. Right. 240 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:08,000 And a lot of pure scientists, you know, materialists might not even go that far. Right. 241 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,000 But I guess what I'm getting at is, I mean, I think, you know, Stephen King even brought this up in a book, The Stand. 242 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000 And he kind of talked about the idea that we're all basically psychic. 243 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,000 We have this ability. It's just that it's been taken from us. Right. 244 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:27,000 So I think each one has this. He says, like, if you miss it, like the people that didn't get on that airplane, for instance, I don't know if that was fate or not. 245 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Let's say, you know, the day the music died and they didn't go crashing. 246 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,000 There's something about not being on an empty plane. 247 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:41,000 There's things about that we can, I think, start to realize when we look around and go, my God, this has been happening more than I can imagine. 248 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 There's got to be something going on here. How do you lean into that? 249 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:52,000 And I think this is what The Awakened we're seeing. We're seeing people saying, hey, UAPs, you know, potentially interdimensional people. Right. 250 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,000 We're talking about is, you know, God the same thing as the unified field. 251 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:07,000 If there is this source of unity that is a divine creation, then let's not cause let's not have enemies with Richard Dawkins and, you know, the Archbishop of Canterbury. 252 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Let's all get together and say, hey, I think we're actually talking about the same thing here. 253 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:19,000 And I think that's hopefully going where we're starting to realize, hey, guys, Gaza, you know, Israel and, you know, Rome, we're all worshiping the same God. 254 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Right. And he's the father of Abraham, you know, all these things. 255 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,000 So I think the biggest changes that we need to start feeling that more. 256 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,000 And some of us need to lean into it. I'm a head guy. 257 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Jonathan's the hard guy in this conversation, but I've been trying so hard with the last not trying, but trying to meditate and get into that heart. 258 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:46,000 And I've been finding it's been very helpful and a powerful source of intuition and just even attractiveness that I never even had before. 259 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Right. So anyway, I mean, you know, arose by any other name. 260 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Right. Call it consciousness, call it God, call it physics, call it what I like. 261 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:01,000 You know, we could very likely be talking about the same thing through different lenses and a different understanding. 262 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,000 But the thing itself is, you know, very likely the same. 263 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Yes. The one in the seven. Yeah. 264 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,000 What it is and how it works. Exactly. We have different differing opinions. Right. 265 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,000 But it's like we're probably talking about the same thing. Yeah. 266 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,000 What do you do? Let me, Rich, let me ask question. 267 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:27,000 What do you do for a living? Part of what we were looking at is what do you mean by empowering success in real estate? 268 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:35,000 So, well, I mean, the real estate is just kind of one place that we because we're we're basically industry agnostic. You know, we work in tech. 269 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:41,000 We work in I mean, there's only a couple of industries that we sort of steer clear. We don't do a lot of work with legal. 270 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:48,000 What do you do? The way the industry is set up like the law is set up as an industry. 271 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:59,000 But like I said, I'm basically a systems hacker. Everything is a system, a company, a team, a person is a system. 272 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,000 And any system can be hacked and recalibrated, recoded if you understand how that system works. 273 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,000 And when you recode a human system or a team, you can produce a different outcome. 274 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:16,000 But I'll tell you, the more poetic way that it's been phrased and this is why, you know, one of my clients, you know, I've been called the executive witch doctor. 275 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:22,000 I've been called the human tuning fork. I was once called the spiritual corkscrew, which I thought was really funny. 276 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:34,000 But the way that I look at it now is every human life or team or organization, there's a purpose for its existence. 277 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:41,000 And that purpose is like this incredible piece of sheet music that has never been played before. 278 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:49,000 And that team or company or person is the perfect instrument to play that music. 279 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,000 My job is to get that instrument in tune and keep it there. 280 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Yeah. Jonathan, wasn't there a Rob Bell, Numa video that talked about that with a symphony and just getting the music right? 281 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000 Getting in tune. 282 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Yeah, getting in tune, right? 283 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:15,000 I think that it is something that is innate, right? 284 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:22,000 You've got this person who's got the gifts and you're able to like it's yeah, reverse engineer, biohack, whatever it's called. 285 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 You know, there's a variety of ways you could get there and you make it happen. 286 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Can you give us an example of someone where you found somebody who was destitute or just broken and sad and you were able to tap into something you saw that they had really good. 287 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Potential of it. You know, use the example sheet music. 288 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,000 But can you give me an example of a client you worked with that you actually yeah, OK. 289 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Yeah, we own right now. 290 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Still working with her. 291 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:53,000 She's got a marketing company in Dallas and she hired us for standard business performance, that kind of thing. 292 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Grow the business, what have you. 293 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 But she had a lot of other stuff going on. 294 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:08,000 So if I run down the checkboxes here, she was she was married for I think it was 26 years. It was a 28 year relationship, but she was married for 26 years to a clinical narcissist. 295 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,000 And I know we throw that word around a lot today, but I feel like the real deal clinical narcissist. 296 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,000 We got the divorce done, signed, sealed and delivered. 297 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 We got her the house in the divorce. 298 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000 We got the house refinanced. 299 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,000 We got her off of her anti anxiety, anti depression medication. 300 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000 She dropped 45 pounds. 301 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,000 She gained one dog. 302 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,000 She moved 13 times in the span of the engagement. 303 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,000 And while all this was going on, we more than doubled her business. 304 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000 This took 13 months. 305 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Well, what with so there's a lot of externals in her particular situation, right? 306 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 These are all externalities to herself. 307 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Although being overweight a little bit is probably not. 308 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:55,000 The meds were internalized, but she was probably told by somebody externally, get on these SSRIs if you would. 309 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:04,000 So what? What did you see that that you know, the diamond in the rough about her and how what was about her? 310 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:13,000 What was that one or two things that came through that resilience, you know, gumption, you know, just I mean, what was about her that you were able to tap into? 311 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000 I mean, you pulled a lot of strings, right? 312 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 You moved a lot of things around and you got this perfect environment. 313 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:23,000 But what in her particularly were you able to glean from that was so powerful? 314 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Well, it's the power itself. 315 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000 There's a it's like it's something that I can sense. 316 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:37,000 I can sense that there's like I can sense what's there and I can sense where it is in sort of like a physical map. 317 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 I can like in somebody's body. 318 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Mike, I can feel this here. 319 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:47,000 You know, I've said this to clients, you know, where I've just been like, OK, here's what you're feeling right now. 320 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000 And they're like, yeah, that's exactly what I'm feeling. 321 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000 And it's very specific. 322 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:56,000 I said, OK, it feels like it feels like a metal punch just right high in your stomach right here between here and here. 323 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,000 And they're like, OK, that's creepy. 324 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Weird. How do you do that? 325 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000 So it's a feeling thing. 326 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,000 I could feel the power that that was jammed up. 327 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:16,000 And and it was like for her, it felt like like a lead blanket that was just kind of over her shoulders and the back of her neck and just like pressing down. 328 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:29,000 I have another client. She's she's in quite a situation and still in it, but has a has a child on the planet that she hasn't seen in a couple of years because of courts and things. 329 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:36,000 The kid's pretty young and she's still dealing with divorce and all the things in her life has been in the shambles. 330 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:47,000 And she's on the verge of really catastrophic success, like a cat of catapult into success because I can feel the energy there. 331 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000 It's like there's a density to it. 332 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:58,000 And there's an incredible power. If you see the movie, if you saw the movie, Joy with Jennifer Lawrence, she's that kind of person. 333 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 I mean, I can I can see it. I can feel it. 334 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,000 I'm like, I want to watch this happen. That's gonna be cool. 335 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Chris, what is mind fuckery? 336 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000 What is it? Why is it so important to what you do? 337 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 That was my CMO's idea. 338 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,000 So he you know, we talk about having your mind blown or something like that. 339 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:38,000 But sometimes and more often than not, you don't need your mind blown. You need it fucked because it's it's about penetrating through the barriers that you don't know are there to unlock the thing that you don't know you have. 340 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 And it really is kind of giving birth to something. 341 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:55,000 So if you can, if you can, if I can, if anybody can go in there, it's a very invasive thing to go in there and get all the things out of the way so that this can come forward into the world. 342 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000 I mean, that's that's essentially what it is, because everything you need is in there. 343 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000 I don't I don't give clients advice. I don't tell them what to do. 344 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:09,000 That's not my job. You know, my my job is not to seek the answers because they already have them. 345 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,000 And when they say they don't know something, what they're really saying is I don't have access to it. 346 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,000 So my job isn't to figure it out. My job is to provide the access. 347 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 And that's a different thing. 348 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Yeah. Have you ever heard of a show called The Midnight Gospel on Netflix, Chris? 349 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000 I think I've heard of it, but I don't know anything about it. 350 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000 You John, we've talked about Midnight Gospel, haven't we? 351 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Oh, it's a psychedelic trip. And literally this guy, it explores different kind of religious constructs, but he literally is out in outer space. 352 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 But he goes to this big vagina, if you would. 353 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,000 And he takes some random drugs and then he opens up his mind to this kind of different reality. 354 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:57,000 And so the idea of birth and getting mindfucked, if you just look up Midnight Gospel, that theme, I'm thinking your CMO might have thought of that because it does feel like that. 355 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:16,000 And you think about a lot of these things we go through in terms of rituals and getting reborn and having a new awareness and having almost a new look on life and a catalystic, cathartic moment where you're able to do that. 356 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,000 And I think we're starting to see little microcosms of that happening day by day. 357 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:27,000 I think a lot of us want to see something that Paul on the road to Damascus, right? 358 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000 The light and then he changed around from persecuting Christians to becoming one of the greatest apostles. 359 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,000 We want those massive kinds of transcendent experiences. 360 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:49,000 I'm not sure if you're familiar with, I don't know if you talked about the use of psychedelics at all, but one of the things we've been talking about a lot on the show are how people are starting to wake up with microdosing 361 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:57,000 and having heavy doses of psilocybin or MDMA to overcome PTSD and anxiety and depression. 362 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:10,000 And what we're finding is, I don't know if you know about Johns Hopkins, but they did this amazing study out there where you had these stage four cancer patients who had a lot of fear of death and they were given kind of hero's dosages. 363 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:17,000 And they saw the one, they saw the source and they didn't necessarily, these people mostly agnostic. 364 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:26,000 So you can imagine why they might be really scared, but they came away with this feeling of cosmic oneness of unity and they lost their fear of death, which is pretty cool. 365 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:43,000 So, you know, I don't know if you've seen more gradual people, gradual stages of people getting it and refining or, you know, you've got that one thing where you work with them for a year and then the transformation is significant and they don't even look back. 366 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,000 You know, are you seeing a kind of a combination of those scenarios? Yeah, it runs the gamut. Yeah. 367 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:56,000 There's, you know, sometimes it's that one thing that creates that core flip that changes everything and other times it's more of a slow burn. 368 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:04,000 But yeah, the psychedelics, I mean, you know, that's, it's really the rule, not the exception in nature. 369 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:20,000 You know, animals seek out psychedelics as a rule. And it's because, you know, when nature needs to make like an evolutionary jump, it drives animals to seek these substances out because it changes physiologically the way the brain works and divergent thinking and pattern recognition. 370 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,000 And this is how the creative problem solving happens. And so it's, you know, people demonize psychedelics sometimes. 371 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:34,000 But I think we're starting to get the reality of it is that number one, it's natural and number two, it's actually really effective. 372 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Yeah. I mean, that's a fascinating construct. I mean, obviously we saw, we've seen, I don't know if you've seen this video about lemurs who they rub, they chew on millipedes and they rub it all over their bodies and they go absolutely high. 373 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:59,000 I guess one of the biological questions, because I'm no biologist, is how does that experience that happens in the brain when they procreate then foster that kind of same oneness throughout other species? 374 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Like maybe you think that happened when our brains evolved and we became, you know, homo erectus or homo sapiens. 375 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Do you feel like that's one of the things that happened along our journey where we experienced, you know, psychedelics? 376 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:24,000 I mean, that's a good question. I mean, there's, and there's like, it's very interesting when we see unlikely pairings in animals, you know, there's a story about a dog and an elephant. 377 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:41,000 And then there's the story that they just call BLT, the bear, the lion and the tiger. You know, there's, you know, we see, I just saw a thing today actually about a guy who raised this baby gorilla to the point where they then sent it out into the wild. 378 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:59,000 And I was like, okay, you know, time to go take care of yourself. And five years later, he went seeking out this gorilla that apparently had been pretty violent and even attacked humans and met him, like found him, met and they reconnected just like this incredible family. 379 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:22,000 And so there's, it's very interesting, you know, when we see some very unlikely relationships in the animal kingdom. And, you know, I think that's got to, that's got to at least make you raise an eyebrow in terms of what's happening in that animal, not just neuro, neurochemically, neurobiologically, but in its own energy field, right? 380 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Because again, everything is energy. I mean, everything, you know, that if like I'm standing at a desk right now and it feels like solid matter, but that's like 95 something percent empty space, right? It's just compressed energy. 381 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Yeah. 382 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:57,000 No, and I think with, with respect to like dogs, for instance, they can sense when you're afraid that you giving off a vibration and they actually encourages them more. I've almost never had a really bad experience with a dog. I oftentimes am called like the dog whisperer because when I first visited my wife's parents, you know, they had a chow. 383 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Chows are not very friendly in general towards strangers and they certainly are less friendly towards males, but this dog loved me immediately. They go, okay, you're in. 384 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:21,000 So, I mean, it's like, I think I love dogs. I see them. I naturally want to touch them and nuzzle them. But we also had a neighbor whose kids were extremely afraid of dogs and the dogs naturally felt that and it just increased the negative vibration, you know, in that regard. 385 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,000 So, 386 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:44,000 Well, and you do, I mean, there, there is, you know, biologic, you know, biology at work here. You have, you have your, your critter brain, which, you know, needs to immediately assess everything as a threat. You know, you have a gazelle and a lion. The gazelle wants to know, you know, as soon as it sees, are you a gazelle like me? Because then I feel safe or are you a lion? And then I don't. Right. So there's all that processing is still going on. 387 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Yeah. 388 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Chris, what do you mean by redefining reality? Help our listeners understand like that process of, ooh, I can change my reality. 389 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:26,000 Yeah, you, I mean, it starts with challenging what you think is real and true, because you can, you know, you can say yes, this is true, because and validated across data points throughout your history. And it's like, well, but that doesn't mean it always has to be true. That's, you know, because again, we produce the reality of our understanding. And again, back to the banister principle. It's like, you know, after decades of chasing that record, it lasted like four years. 390 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:40,000 It lasted like 46 days, you know, so because collective consciousness changed, like I go into an organization and, you know, they're going to want to bring into that first meeting sales trends, KPIs, market trends, whatever. 391 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Like, don't bring that shit to me. It is only going to screw up what I think is possible. Right. So because if you can change what an organization, a team or a person thinks is possible, you can produce way more effective, like much bigger results in a shorter amount of time. 392 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,000 But you need to deal with this at the right end of the spectrum. 393 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:12,000 Reality is the end result of the system and the physical world reality. Like I mentioned, you know, the solid, you know, compressed energy. This is the last thing that happens. 394 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:22,000 So physical world reality being the last thing that happens, like, well, where does this start? This starts in our psychology. It starts in our consciousness and our subconsciousness. And it really starts in our energy field. 395 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Right. So, so if let's take somebody that wants to get in shape, lose weight, that kind of thing. 396 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Most people are going to say, okay, I have this physical world reality problem. I'm going to address it at the physical end of the spectrum. 397 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:47,000 Well, great. Here's the problem with that is that you're starting at the end result and swimming upstream against the flow of how reality unfolds. 398 00:33:47,000 --> 00:34:04,000 And that takes a lot of willpower and it's exhausting. Willpower is an exhaustible resource. Right. But if you start in the energetic, right, and bring this into, into the body, into the brain, into the mind, and through the psychology, blah, blah, blah, through the things, right, then this flows downstream. 399 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Like what I tell people, like whatever you want isn't the goal. You want to lose weight, that's not the goal. You want to grow your business, that's not the goal. You want to find the relationship of your dreams. That's not the goal. 400 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:31,000 That's the result. Of what is it the result? Now you're starting to look at what the goal really is. Problems are the same way. You know, you got issues in your relationship. You got employee retention problems. That's not the problem. That's the result. 401 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000 Of what is it the result? That's your problem. 402 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:51,000 Yeah, no, I can see a lot of power in that. I mean, obviously, clearly you can physiologically show that if you decrease your alcohol consumption, if you do intermittent fasting and you reduce your caloric intake, pure physiological and physical things, you will lose weight. 403 00:34:51,000 --> 00:35:06,000 I think there's nothing denying that. The problem that gets in the way of that is you end up having a cheat meal or a cheat day or a cheat week, and it's tough to do that. I know Jonathan lost over 30 pounds last year on a great, you know, little bit of discipline. 404 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:27,000 So maybe my question for you is knowing that diets fail, exercise regimens fail, you know, what kind of strategies and ideas are you presenting to help people in their mental ascent, right? To have those energy flows outside of getting to the root cause of why they're getting it done as opposed to just the scale, right? 405 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:36,000 Because that's obviously not the point. So tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, I mean, starting with your self-concept, you know, I mean, if you identify as a fat guy, you're going to have a real hard time getting in shape. 406 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:48,000 James Clear actually talks a lot about this in Atomic Habits, you know, I mean, that's a great book for this kind of thing. You know, start, I tell anybody, you know, start like before you spend money, a ton of money on personal training and coaches and whatever. 407 00:35:48,000 --> 00:36:00,000 Like, there's a couple of books out there that address this in the correct way, right? Like any asshole can tell you eat right portion control, like the diet fitness books, like that's not the book you're looking for. 408 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:12,000 What you're looking for are the books that are addressing what got you to this point, right? Because eating incorrectly was not really the thing. There's something underneath the eating incorrectly, right? 409 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:22,000 There's a, there's a, there's a mechanism driving that behavior. So you could change the behavior, but if you don't change that mechanism, this ain't gonna work, right? Not sustainably. 410 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Sure. Yeah. Do your clients have a hard time seeing that it's a mechanism as opposed to just something that's intrinsic? Is there a barrier to that or what's your experience there? 411 00:36:35,000 --> 00:37:04,000 My clients are pretty sophisticated and they're coming to me for a reason. There's, there's, there's such a, there's such an amount of trust. You know, it actually astounds me quite a bit that the level of trust that their clients, that our clients are putting, putting us with, you know, it's, it's quite remarkable because they really are, they're telling us everything, they're sharing with us everything and they are trusting us to do for them. 412 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:17,000 And we're really not doing it. They are, but you know, they're trusting us to make something happen that they themselves aren't even sure, you know, but, but I, we have the tools and the techniques. 413 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:37,000 Like I can flip that in somebody's mind to get them to where it's just, just maybe, right? Just maybe if I can get them for, there's no way I've tried a thousand times to, oh my God, maybe, just maybe that's all I need. Just as 1% of possibility and I can get it. 414 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:52,000 The thing I thought of immediately was your client in Dallas who ran a marketing agency and you literally talked about, we did this, we did this, we got the divorce and I'm like, wait a minute. Okay. Rewind. Okay. Did you really, um, 415 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:03,000 was she already thinking about it? And did you help her get over the edge in that regard? Did you, did you say, Hey, this guy is a absolute narcissist. He cares nothing about you. He's proven this X, Y, Z times. How did you 416 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:16,000 tell us about that, that particular instance? No, I never tell people what is and what they need to do. Um, I say, look, I'm, I'm going to present them some things as if they're fact. I said, they're not fact. 417 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:35,000 Just, but run it through your filter. Like if it, if it hits you, uh, like truth, I seem to be able to connect with the truth of a human or a team that is different than their truth. And the truth. Yeah. 418 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:52,000 My truth, we see it. We hear like a lot of the West side hippies here in LA, you know, it's like, it's my truth. I just, I don't really care about your truth because your truth, my truth, these are all about preferences, opinions, right? Um, the truth is a frequency. 419 00:38:52,000 --> 00:39:15,000 And it just lands in your body, you know, and it's, it's, it's like the, the, the note of the key of a piano. It's either in tune or it's not, you know, it's, and there's no debating that. And so when, you know, even when my last relationship ended a couple of years ago, my truth at the time was, you know, I want to stay in this and fix it and figure it out. 420 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:34,000 But the truth was that it was in both of our highest service to split up because that's where the alchemical process was. This is what's going to actually get us to the next level. Um, and that's the great thing about the truth is it doesn't give a shit about your opinions. 421 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:45,000 Well, you're right. And the ego, right? So again, if both of you look back on the separation as being beneficial mutually, and you can look at each other and respect and almost give a high five. 422 00:39:45,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Yeah, we really do. I mean, we're incredible friends now. I can, I can, I can see that. Um, so yeah, so that's, but with her, with other clients as well, I'm just saying, here's what you're telling me. And, and, you know, if I, I can pick up on somebody's frequency pretty quickly. 423 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:13,000 I mean, give them about five minutes and save space. They're going to give me everything I need. And so once I, once I have calibrated myself to their magnetic north. 424 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Well, now I'm cooking with gas. 425 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000 Nice. 426 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:34,000 I've got, you know, something a little more practical, right? So a lot of our people on our podcast have written books, right? We've had people who have been what we call Christian universalists, which believe, you know, that Christ is going to reconcile everybody. 427 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:45,000 There's hell for a lot of people, but guess what? God's going to bring everybody together. So we've got a few people who wrote books on that, other types of, you know, kind of psychology and stuff like that. 428 00:40:45,000 --> 00:41:00,000 And we've actually even encouraged people to buy books. So, um, in your mind, you know, as people are walking through this, in addition to potentially thinking of you as a potential, you know, um, coach life coach, you know, solution, a lot of the problems, anything that comes to mind for you, like maybe top three books. 429 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:14,000 Listen, this helped me on my journey. We already mentioned atomic habits. We already talked a little bit about, you know, a construct like the banister mile, um, anything that you'd suggest in terms of books or reading material or things that they should really embrace to help them on their journey. 430 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:43,000 Yeah. I mean, it depends on what they're, what they're working with and where, where are they on the map right now? Um, you know, there are, there are, I guess there are a handful of books that I would say this is like required reading to be a human. Um, so the alchemist, I think, you know, this, this, this, this, this question kind of generates those softball answers like, um, so this is going to be Michael Singer with, um, uh, uh, untethered soul, right? 431 00:41:43,000 --> 00:42:08,000 That's on there. Um, you know, I've done a ton of men's work and so I think it's advantageous to read something like iron john or king warrior, magician lover. Um, and I do, I recommend, you know, following the stoics, right? Marcus Aurelius or, you know, read the obstacle is the way or, you know, things like that. 432 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:37,000 Um, so it's just sort of depends on where you want to apply it. Yeah, it sounds, but those, those I've seen a lot of, there's a lot more trajectory in those regards. You see on Twitter and a lot of places, the stoicism coming through a lot of, um, carnivore guys on there, people trying to bring back masculinity, strong masculinity that, that also isn't just toxic. Right. So, I mean, obviously even though majority of your clientele are women, I mean, what are your thoughts in terms of, um, are we seeing the pendulum swing back to the right direction? 433 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:55,000 I mean, I think the pendulum swing back from the average, um, dad being, um, Homer Simpson or Al Bundy, you know, and married with children, which is, I mean, if you watched Hollywood over the last 20, 30 years, I mean, to watch, you know, a show that has a loving male female relationship, happy kids is it's like ancient history. 434 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:17,000 Right. I mean, like American beauty, the only two normal people in that movie were the gay guys next door and everybody else was just an absolute shit show of a mess. Right. And so that was like, all right. That's, is that a reality? So what do you think about? Did you feel like there's, there's a movement back? Well, hey, listen, it's good to be masculine. It's good to have these kinds of positive energies without going on opposite side. And what are your thoughts on that? 435 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:46,000 There, there are a couple of things happening. Yes. Is the short answer there. There is a movement back to that. The, you know, the women in my world are like, yes, bring back, bring back the men. Um, the other thing is that there, there's also a backlash, which is not helping men in that we're pretty pissed off with this bullshit. And so there's, there's, there's kind of a, um, there's definitely a, um, a backlash that's, that's happening, which is not supporting us. 436 00:43:46,000 --> 00:44:16,000 Um, but, but if we look at what's happened for, there's no such thing as toxic masculinity. Okay. There are plenty of fucked up men, but nothing about masculinity in and of itself is toxic. Absolutely nothing. Um, so the, but what we have seen is, and that was a term that they came up with, I think in the nineties ish. Um, and to your point, you know, in the, in the fifties, sixties, seventies, dad was a good dude, good job, loved his wife, that kind of thing. I mean, he certainly, and yeah, there was, there was some, 437 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:25,800 there was kind of the, like a little bit too much control. It was like too much on one side. You get into the eighties, you get even the sitcoms at the time, like family ties growing pains, Michael J. 438 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:44,000 Fowler, right? Dad was still a good dude, softer guy, but good dude. And then the nineties hit and you get, everybody loves Raymond, this, this wussified, uh, man who's afraid of his wife and she can't stand him. He's acting like I love Lucy, you know, doing stupid shit. 439 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:57,000 He can't be solid, grounded, have his shit together. And she hates him for it. You get Homer Simpson to your point, the bumbling buffoon of a father, right? And then we get, you know, these terms, toxic masculinity and all this. 440 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:07,000 And when you started watching even the commercials, when there was a man and a woman in a drive through or at a camping trip and whatever, and there was some kind of, no, this is what happened. No, that's what happened. 441 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:22,000 The man was wrong 100% of the time and that continues to this day. So what's the, and then they come up with the term toxic masculinity and people say, well, you know, this, what is the backlash that's happened now? 442 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:40,000 It's like there's been such a, um, a response to the attack on masculinity. When did mass shootings start? In the late nineties, right? Because when all this started coming to a head, we'd had high capacity magazines since the forties, never a problem until the nineties when the attack on masculinity happened. 443 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:53,000 And if I just run this through the lens of science, if you take an orca and you stuff it, you know, that's supposed to be roaming free in the oceans of the world and you stuff it in a fish tank in San Diego, you're going to create a psychopathic murder dolphin. 444 00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:00,000 You know, and if you take, if you take a big cat that's supposed to be roaming the plains of Africa and you put it in a cage, you create a psychopathic man eater. 445 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:08,000 You take masculinity that's supposed to be out and available and you lock it down and stuff it down and call it toxic. You create a psychopath. 446 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Yeah. What is, what's your idea? 447 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:20,000 It's a great conversation. What is your idea of a good response to that? 448 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:40,000 Of a good response to the attack on masculinity? I think there are a lot of things that need to happen because a lot of this happened through the feminine, right? Because our sons were raised primarily by our moms and our teachers and they were taught to seek the approval of women. 449 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:51,000 And there's going to be a natural resistance to that because that's not really the way it's supposed to be. Like conscious men need to be raised by conscious men. And that's why tribal cultures understand this. 450 00:46:51,000 --> 00:47:04,000 The boy is removed from mom. Today you will come on the hunt. You will go out and kill something or whatever, right? But it's like it's time to take your place among the men and among your community and to be a part of something greater than yourself. 451 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:17,000 And we don't really have that in Western civilization. So we have Peter Pan syndrome. We have these guys that never quite grew up or whatever and taught to seek the approval of women. And the masculine just naturally resents that. 452 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:39,000 And there's no shortage of this stuff. But it can be. We all need to do our part, right? I have a client right now that's crazy in love with a guy that is just a douche. He's got another girl and he's cheating on her left and right and everything. 453 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:54,000 And this woman is super in love with him. It's like, look, stop dating douchebags. Okay, that's the first step. Just a hard no to that. Stop teaching our men that they can, that this behavior gets rewarded in any way, shape or form. 454 00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:01,000 Don't fall in love with a married guy. Just don't, right? Just be hard no on some of these things. 455 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:13,000 And we as men need to step forward and recognize that we have a responsibility here. We got to start doing better. We got to create the brotherhood. We got to recreate the community. 456 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:24,000 So where, I mean, I'll be the first one that tells any one of my friends if he's being a jackass. And they will light me up as well. I'll be like, Chris, you're being an asshole here. 457 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:37,000 And they'll just tell you when you're wrong. It seems to be the lens of judgment. That's the problem is we cannot judge people into course correction. We have to move into compassion and empathy because that's the conduit. 458 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:46,000 Yeah. I mean, it always comes down to balance because you don't want to have the over toxic on the one side who just resented or looking for the ego only. 459 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:56,000 On the other side, I saw this crazy post on X where I guess a pretty famous soccer player was getting divorced because the woman said he was too perfect. 460 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:03,000 I mean, at the same time, you don't want to be Mr. Cabana Boy all the time. You don't want to be the person who's always doing this. I mean, you got to have your own boundaries. 461 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:16,000 The reason why I think the reason why you have relationships, I mean, nobody would agree that somebody who's been married for 20 years to be able to marry that had an argument is that healthy sickness. Is that a healthy relationship? 462 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,000 That is not a healthy relationship if you haven't had an argument in 20 years. Right. 463 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:36,000 Because what the hell is that? Right. So I think what we need to find is and Jonathan, I've been exploring this is like, how do you embrace the divine feminine? Not in terms of being a feminine, but how do you do that yin yang? 464 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:45,000 How do you be mindful? How do you appreciate the things that are important? And how do you balance that out? Right. Because that's I mean, that's obviously how we're meant to be. 465 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:54,000 It's a compliment. It's not an overbearing on one another. And it's not an capitulation either. Right. It's not like overbearing. And it's not, hey, you know, walk all over me. 466 00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:13,000 This is perfect place where I think we understand where our strengths are. But we tap into that. I think I don't know if communication and trying to be open is the key to that or just doing meditative work or having great support groups that also wake people up to these kinds of things. 467 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:22,000 Right. And I think, you know, whatever, whatever works needs to work, you know, more soon than later. You know, yeah, absolutely. 468 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,000 Chris, how do people find you? 469 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,000 They want to work or first I would say this. 470 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:39,000 Give us a one minute summary of how you can help people. And then how can people find you? 471 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,000 You can make it two minutes. 472 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:52,000 Dr. Robert Holden has a great quote. He says, If there's something missing from your life, it's probably you. 473 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000 I can fix that. 474 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,000 You know, if it seems like your business or your life is running you instead of the other way around. 475 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,000 I can fix that. 476 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,000 You know, if you're getting leftovers of your own life. 477 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:13,000 Nobody you didn't come here to work hard, pay taxes, be exhausted and die. 478 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,000 So if it seems like there's something more, there is. 479 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000 We can fix that. 480 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,000 And our website is chrismking.com. 481 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000 That's the easiest way to find us. 482 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,000 And, you know, we've I think we actually set up a let's see. 483 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000 This is how good I am. I have no business running my own business. 484 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000 I'm the classic entrepreneur. 485 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,000 I do believe we set up a link specifically for your audience, actually. 486 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,000 So we'll have to we'll put that in the show notes. 487 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,000 But, yeah, I'll make sure that we have that. 488 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:48,000 Absolutely. It's been it's been a fascinating interview, Chris. 489 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,000 I appreciate you coming on here. 490 00:51:49,000 --> 00:52:00,000 I think I wish you well in your help with people, because I think we are at a pivotal point in history where people want to wake up 491 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,000 and they want to become aware of their own capacity to take responsibility. 492 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,000 I loved your message. I think I completely resonate with it because and I wait. 493 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,000 I long to see time in our world where that comes to full fruition. 494 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,000 It's it's going to be an interesting time. So, Rich, any final questions? 495 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,000 No, I just I think that this is a prescient, prescient call. 496 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:35,000 I think that we're always looking for folks who are tapping into the power of the universe that are trying to help others, 497 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:41,000 that are trying to break free of the status quo, that are trying to make a difference and realize that, you know, 498 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:47,000 I think what's crazy is that no matter you can go through the millennia, everybody probably thought doomsday was around the corner. 499 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,000 Everybody thought, you know, you know, the end of the world was was nigh. 500 00:52:52,000 --> 00:53:00,000 It does appear that, you know, every single day, every every week that goes by, it seems like we're on a precipice of something. 501 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,000 And I think it's up. I mean, we're having people talking about aliens are going to come to save us. 502 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,000 Right. And we're going to ascend and we're going to be all right. Tap into that. 503 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:14,000 Right. And I don't know where, you know, there's a situation where just being open to it, I think, 504 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:20,000 and having just expressed the beginning, just the idea that you acknowledge it and you're speaking it right. 505 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:28,000 It has power. Right. And I think the more and more conversations we have like this, the more, you know, we can spread the word. 506 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,000 I think we're going to be in a better place. Right. So I really appreciate having you on. Thank you so much. My pleasure. 507 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:39,000 Thank you for having me. All right. Thank you for listening to all of our listeners. 508 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:47,000 This has been a wonderful episode. Check out Chris. I encourage you to click on the link in the in the bio or in the summary. 509 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,000 Check him out because I think the work he's doing is pretty fascinating. 510 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:57,000 So please comment, review, send us your ideas for podcasts. We'd love to hear. 511 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:25,000 We've been in another amazing episode. Have a great Father's Day weekend, everyone and much love.