I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.
And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.
But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.
All right, let's get started.
Welcome to Living in the Matrix.
I'm Jonathan and folks, Rich, unfortunately, is at the hospital with his wife.
So please be thinking about him.
They're trying to figure out what's wrong.
So he's not going to be joining us today.
But I've got Joey Labassiere.
Did I get that right?
Yeah, you nailed it pretty good.
How would you say it?
Well, it's French.
It's French.
So it's in French.
It's Labassiere.
But in English, I took French six years.
So the way you said that, I was like, damn.
Yeah.
So I took it.
It's Labassiere.
I had to learn everything in French for six years.
I don't remember any of it.
Anyway, that's fair.
So let me introduce you because your bio is really interesting.
You're a clinical hypnotherapist and a guide and an activator.
You help people embody self-worth mastery.
You are likely, like we were saying before, you are likely the most perfect candidate
for what we do here on Living in the Matrix.
Incredible.
Yes.
Welcome.
You're honored.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me, man.
Yeah, so I want to start with the grand idea of you focus on awakening.
And a big part of work.
So this is Living in the Matrix podcast.
A big part of what we always dialogue around is this concept of a matrix is something
that is a controlling mechanism, primarily around an illusion.
Right.
And that awakening is coming out of that illusion to one principal idea that you have dignity
and value as a human being.
Yeah.
And it can be connected to a God or something, but it's that awakening part of me.
Help me understand your understanding of that great awakening.
Yeah, I would say it's the dissolving of illusions that we've, you know,
we've been programmed to think are real or important.
And I think it is coming home to the understanding for me anyway of we are source.
We are creator.
We are God expressed in human form.
And we are these incredible.
I got goosebumps just saying that.
It feels good to say that.
Yeah, it does say it does feel good.
And I'm even deeper in this relationship with God right now where God for me was such a
like I wouldn't even fucking say it man.
Like the word God or Jesus was just like no, because I grew up in the Catholic Church.
Okay.
Confirmation communion confirmation and I had to have these weird experiences with the
church where I just nothing resonated and I kind of went atheist in my teens and going
in this.
Yeah.
And then, you know, dark night of the soul kind of happens in my late 20s early 30s.
And I was like, oh, that's when the awakening happened.
I was like, what was the principal element of your dark night?
You don't have to go too deep in.
What was that thing you were overcoming?
I think it was a well, I think it was just all the things kind of coming to a head.
And so that was what I didn't realize then was some abuse as a child.
I had some pretty big trauma with some relationships drinking a lot really partying since I've
been 14 man.
I've been like that was my whole thing was like I was the guy I was like you want to
want to party to call Joey up he's in like he's doing it.
So a lot of drinking I was a correctional officer in a maximum security prison for a
decade.
Wow.
Which one in Stony Mountain penitentiary in Manitoba Canada.
Yeah.
So that was a heavy place to work and near-death experience kind of car accident and it just
kind of.
And I just got to this point where I remember just I was two weeks anxious depressed.
I took time off work and I was pacing up and down my hallway of my home.
I had a baby that was or I had my son.
He was maybe a year and a half and I wasn't even able to like connect to him.
So so out of my body and I was either sitting on the couch looking through the wall or pacing
up and down and a few things happened where I just kind of collapse on the deck outside
of my home and I'm like I'm done like I'm done this whatever this is and then that car
accident kind of happened.
I woke up the next day just kind of like oh something needs to shift but I realized I
needed to I needed to look at how I was contributing to my own suffering like the parts of my life
that I'm consciously choosing on a regular basis that is not in alignment with with with
what I want and so the drinking and the partying and the texting and the social media addiction
this you know drugs you name it and I had to make this choice and then that's kind of
when it all started to shift for me.
When did that happen?
2016 2016.
Okay.
And what was the primary thing that you think first shifted for you kind of what was that
awakening to?
Yeah it was so many little ones along the way but I started to meditate.
I started just meditating and I was like okay I'm going to try this stuff and I kind of
did it early in 2013 a little bit I had just read a was it the a new earth by Eckhart Tolle
in 2013 while I was traveling and that was the kind of moment I was like oh wait there's
way more here and so I started at that collapse moment I was like I got to change some things
so I started meditating and I started to kind of get messages and start to feel into myself
again.
Did you still feel like you were an atheist at that point?
No I think by then I was already kind of like but I didn't know what what it was I just
yeah you were just like there's something.
There's something yeah I mean I felt it I've had it you know.
The unnamed.
Of course.
You know it's like what is that I don't know because every time I try and understand that
it's always wrong you know.
Oh yeah yeah our human little minds can't figure out can't comprehend.
I think that is that center point of posture of just saying fucking I don't know that's
what humility looks like to say I'm smart enough to know I'm not going to hold on to
my own idiocy you know it's like I want to let it go.
Yeah there is something to discover right.
Oh yeah yeah oh man what did you discover.
Well I had these I'm gonna say one moment there's one moment after my daughter was born
in 2016 I think it might have been 2017 I was still going through it at that time 2017
January day in Canada but it was like five degrees Celsius beautiful day bluebird sky
sun shining and I'm still in this kind of heaviness I grabbed my portable speaker I
wrapped my little girl who was like maybe three months old at the time in her stroller
and we go walking on the gravel road from just outside of my property not even thinking
of anything I have Zen music playing you know Tibetan bowls and you know handpan music I'm
just walking and all of a sudden and I call this my first real moment with God it was
a seven to ten minute time period I would say where everything completely stopped and
my awareness shifted to such a fine like a fine it was like everything was under a microscope
I was walking around slow motion you're conscious you're oh conscious fully conscious and it
started to get stronger and I could feel my daughter and her presence and I'm looking
in the ditch and these long pieces like long blades of grass are blowing it but I'm seeing
every single one as if they're separate but all connected the snow is falling off the
trees every sprinkle every little dot in the sky is like I'm connected to everything if
whatever I focus on I could zoom right into it and feel it and it was a this moment of
like what is this but there was no thought it was pure presence at the it was honestly
to this day one of the most magical experiences of my life and I got to have it with my daughter
and now she's another oh I guarantee it you know she's only three months old so she's
going three months old yeah yeah but I think she activated me in that moment like yeah
I feel that around my grandson so my grandson is I've he lives with us and what I'm realizing
is children babies especially have an energetic connection that is very open like they don't
they'll like here's my energy I were having a good time you know yeah that's her I can
see a child at her age fully receiving that kind of you know she just reminds me of a
little quick sorry to come off topic a little bit she was well five or six I was in the
kitchen with her a couple years ago and I'm just looking at her and she's drawing and
she's just in her element and I just look at her I'm like Kelly she's like yeah daddy
I said I am so grateful and so lucky to be your daddy and she looks at me and she goes
well yeah I picked you and I'm like what she's like I picked you I'm like okay I'm like I'm
intrigued now I'm like okay this is good I'm like what do you mean you picked us she's
like well I was in the other world and I got to choose and I picked you I said interesting
I'm saying what's world she said the blue world I said oh okay and I said then what
she's like well then I just jumped in the portal I'm like what like blown away like
she said it so matter-of-factly like yeah dad like come on dude like you should know
this by now like like I was just it was just silly to her that I didn't know this and I'm
like whoa so completely blew my mind and this and this she's always been very much like
you know and sometimes they look at you and they look through you like she does this randomly
looks into my eyes and just stares at me like are you doing but yeah they're amazing they're
amazing so at that point yeah what did you do with that experience like because I understand
that I've had many of those experiences but especially on psychedelics that's when they
become very prominent but they don't go away when you're not on psychedelics you realize
oh it's a consciousness of yeah there is presence I do belong I am welcome here because I think
that's what most people are really wrestling with internally yeah is do I belong right
and did you feel that yeah I mean I felt like I was honestly I was at the verge of like
ending it a couple times like I didn't have a plan but I was completely like I don't I
didn't think I'd make 30 years old like I was just like screw this man like bored or
just hurting I think just hurting and not knowing where the story was coming from like
way how deep the hurt was like I would look at my I'm like oh yeah you know maybe look
back at my childhood I'm like I had a pretty normal childhood nah not really I mean we
always normalize stuff as we're older it's like no big deal and you can you compare trauma
you compare oh I didn't have it as bad as this person but yeah I think I was just tired
man tired of being and tired of playing so many roles to be loved tired of being this
guy for that group because they like that version of me tired of being that group for
this person because I would just chameleon into whatever I needed to to just be tell
me I'm enough show me I'm enough am I enough now well I think that's what I found a lot
of liberation when I realized I was part of source like it's a very different experience
like I grew up an evangelical Christian and so I was like a child of God but it wasn't
a felt experience it was an intellectual experience and I never realized oh it can actually and
so I searched for that felt experience for most of my young life right but I realized
is when I got to a point that no I I'm part of that source there is no separation like
this is what Richard and I talk about on our podcast is so good is there is me or who I
think I am and then there's my version of God and that distance yes he is in to me that's
sin that's probably the simplest words this is the error we make that we're separated
yeah and my job is to close that gap and Richard and I this conversation is where is the distinction
between you and God and I said there is none we are actually listening and that changed
everything for me yeah seeing that I was part of source it doesn't change anything that
Jesus does in the story for people who are Christians it magnified he goes well Jesus
said I am so why can't I say I am that's what Richard and I have been talking about is being
part of source fundamentally changes because you realize now I can take this avatar that
I've created and yeah again dismantling it yeah you understand what I'm talking about
totally man right last week happened for you in that regard how did what what had to dismantle
this this this idea that I wasn't enough and I think this is something we a lot of us deal
with but I had such a personality or persona of like confidence and this and that that
nobody would have thought that Joey didn't think he was wasn't enough but I had to slowly
start breaking that down and that all started with so the meditation help but I had this
you know I was working a 16-hour shift at the jail one night my wife called me she's
like hey she's like you got to see this guy his name is Adrian Wesley and he's a hypnotherapist
and we were doing multi-level marketing stuff at the time we just kind of we're kind of
like looking at online stuff and the group we had had him talking and he was talking
about trauma he's talking about you know his mum had committed suicide I think he was 10
and the grief and the guilt that he carried and I got home from the 16-hour shift and
I was just in this video and I was like this is where the first intuitive pull that I ever
really felt after my awakening that was so undeniable I was like you know God speaking
through me going hey listen focus I'm like yep I got it and I watched the video he talked
about trauma releasing that and his relationship I can't remember what else but I remember
Mel looking at me she's like you should work with him I'm like no I'm gonna go do this
she's like what I had no idea about subconscious I had no idea trauma I had no idea about hypnotherapy
none of it she's like what are you talking about I'm like I don't know I have no answers
I don't know but I got to follow this message him the next day on messenger where'd you
go to school thanks so much for your thing find out where the school is called Jen Dodds
who is the person who's running the school for me had a quick talk I'm like I don't know
what it is but there's something pulling me towards learning what this this modality I
don't know why tell me a little bit about the school is there a spiritual connection
to this I'm like okay good I need that click two weeks later I'm I took all my holiday
time all my loot time all my bank time at work went for the psych six weeks straight
flew across the country going to study what's that you felt it oh it was immediately like
do not waiver from this poll and I knew it was like okay I'm going it was like a poll
like I had no choice yeah they made no sense to my mind or anybody in my life you know
what do you mean you're gonna study hypnotherapy I'm like yeah don't worry about it and did
that and what I didn't realize during that time is that all the work we would do on each
other and this is where we access the unconscious this is where we this is what ayahuasca does
this is what mushrooms do it allows us to go into the depths of where we're hiding all
this pain and I healed so much in that month that I came out of like holy shit I can't
wrap my head around this but I'm like this relationship that thing was healed that thing
was moved and then it just creates space right and then and then it just kind of evolved
from there I ended up going to Guatemala and yeah there's a ton of other stuff we can go
over but that's where the major healing started for me.
For our listeners describe an ayahuasca experience you scared that you've done one what was it
like?
So I sat for three nights straight and drank ayahuasca I would explain it as this.
Did you do three ceremonies or one?
Three ceremonies.
Okay I got it.
Three ceremonies yeah back to back to back it was supposed to be four but I just my body
was so tired I would explain my ayahuasca journey as what this medicine does really
well and I think with any healing whether it's through hypnosis whether it's with the
plants whether it's with a guide a shaman whatever you first need to see who you are
not in order to see who you are and so a lot of times the medicine for me brought up all
these beliefs and things and we see the demons the demons is unconscious thoughts belief
systems energy around trauma and it brings it to the surface for you to purge because
a lot of you've heard of people throwing up on ayahuasca well that's because we're we're
bringing on the unconscious demons if you will the unconscious pain wounding and through
it you're purging it out of the body you're like kind of like a somatic experience of
people doing somatic work you're purging it through different ways and this is through
through the throwing up and so I would have something come up and I could and I would
just feel it in the body because it's all about staying conscious and not letting your
mind take you right like any psychedelic experience you let the mind take you it can take you
on for a ride yeah so the trauma would come up in my awareness then I would feel it in
the body and they kind of teach you the shamans teach you to kind of pull it from the depths
so the more you focus on the sensation of the body the more you can stay with it and
it usually just kind of rumbles in the stomach and then you purge it some of it was beautiful
some of it was extremely challenging but in my in my in my being afraid yeah in the vomiting
part are you feeling fear are you feeling release what are you feeling vomiting part
was some of the most beautiful for me to be honest interesting I've never heard that
the scary part for me is when I allow myself to go unconscious I'd let the demons take
me for rides and tell me I'm this you're that you're this you're that and I'm like no this
is not who I am but it's because and that's when they teach you stay with the breath stay
in your body stay in your body follow the medicine and so often after the purge and
the work that we need to be done and you would hear her she'd talk to you and she's like
you're not done yet we got more you can do this and I'm like geez how are we having this
conversation or was that your guy mama you could hear her voice you can hear her and
she'll speak yeah she she speaks through you for sure and I remember this one time I was
working on my abuse and then I would work and I could hear her how deep can you go now
that you're here you're in it how much can you do not only for me for my dad for my grandfather
for the collective and I'm like oh my gosh I'm like okay I'm being called into service
here it was just wild and I was like okay and I remember being in the bucket throwing
up and I'm like let's go bring me in like I'm here let's go and I would it's like you're
pulling out layers and these you're going into the roots of your your ancestry and then
it would be like it would extend your ancestry what's the experience is it physical are you
physically feeling it or are you seeing it in your head I would kind of be it would kind
of come through me as like almost like a channeling like it'd be like okay here's where you're
guided first my abuse and I remember I'll focus on the abuse and that and I would throw
up and then it'd be like oh there's more layers or it's rooted to deeper stuff with dad and
I'd see my dad or feel that it was my dad's stuff and go into my dad's stuff and then
it'd be like layers into my grandfather I'm like oh I'm like let's just follow this and
then it just I'm clear cognizant so it's more of a knowing that it is a visual for me okay
no I understand it's it's it's almost like coherence it's not it's not a feeling and
it's not a visual it's something it's like awareness hundred percent yeah yeah and so
then I could hear her you have more like go and she'd push you and your body just wants
to throw up the white flag it's like I'm done she's like no you're not I'm like you're just
look yes I am yeah an hour and a half of throwing up dude I'm like come on and I'm in there
and she's like how many layers can you go I'm like you know what I'm here and I almost
felt like I was in the biggest soccer game football game hockey game in my career and
I was like bring it I got this I'll carry the team and it felt like I was releasing
collective trauma not even my just my generational line not just my family like I was I was volunteering
to say okay let's clear this density let's clear this darkness let's just get it out
and then I remember that at the end of that night just falling back in my bed and hearing
her saying you did a good job you did great and that's enough for now and I was just like
oh okay and just collapsing in this bliss like body's completely direct and just being
like wow I got to do that like I got to I was I was called to do that and I did it I
kicked ass like it was wild yeah would you do it again after after night three and I
was leaving I'm like I'm never doing that again then but but like my first experience
with Aya I never went because it was cool I never went because I wanted to I was called
yeah you felt led there I was called and I'll do the same again if I'm called again which
I know she's coming around I could see the whispers already then I will go but I'm not
forcing it I'm not jumping in just to say oh I want a quick fix for my life no.
So Joey I want to switch gears a little bit with you because I want to dive into the idea
of hypnotherapy we've had a gentleman named Mark Dawes who's a hypnotherapist out of New
Zealand and I got to interview him and he gave me a lot of perspective but I would love
to hear yours because you were drawn to it like literally drawn to it and you dove headfirst
in but help unpack for our listeners what hypnotherapy really is because you have a
grounded approach it seems like yeah I've my approach has shifted so much I think with
any type of this work whether you're a psychotherapist even or you know a shaman or any like I it's
become such a spiritual practice for me there's a much it's it's less clinical now than it
was it's less by the book now than it was anytime you touch the inside of a person it's
almost pastoral it's like incredible because you realize there's a lot of responsibility
you have to be very very careful with people yes 100% yeah and I've developed my own style
and to be honest unless they have a big emotional charge that they're coming with like anxiety
attacks or big like big motions we'll follow that that's really easy that's a pretty basic
thing in hypnotherapy you know work up get get the energy moving and follow the root
follow the nerve to the to the original root cause which is using an emotional slide technique
or you know very basic stuff with hypnosis but there's times where things just don't
want to move and I learned that if you ask the higher self or ask the soul 99.999% of
the time we go exactly where we need to go but the body wants to tell you oh all the
time yeah and there but there's a sense of I mean obviously letting go that needs to
happen a sense of like they need to trust the shit out of me I need to make sure that
I have the safest space in the world for these people some some of these people know it never
had a safe space right but once that's established and the ball starts to roll it happens fast
and what we're doing is we're just going where I'm asking the soul where's the resistance
where's the distortion because our souls are so perfect there's distortion within it not
allowing our souls to be fully expressed trauma conditioning whatever you name it and so I
just ask and it's really beautiful what happens like oh we'll go to childhood might go into
the womb like really might go into the womb might go into past lives if and some people
don't believe in past lives but those can be metaphors you know and it all really just
unfolds so hypnosis is this way of just accessing this deeper layer of the subconscious it allows
us to kind of disconnect that analytical mind and trust the inner guidance well so here's
what I'm thinking what a lot of people are probably like my wife did a comedy routine
with a guy who hypnotized her and I think a lot of people have sort of that version
help us shift over a little bit to the more therapeutic approach yeah and what people
are going to ask is are you going to control me yeah yeah no no no yeah so that's one thing
is one of the biggest misconceptions about hypnosis is that I'm going to go in and start
playing into your in your mind and picking things out you're never going to go where
you're not ready to go I'm never in control they are always in control and that's something
we discussed in the beginning it's going hey if we don't feel comfortable we'll get out
of there we're not going to go there but it's not like this stage show where you're making
people quack like ducks bark like dogs jump around do flips blah blah blah the people
that go on stage these people are already called highly suggestible people like they're
willing to go do this show they want to go on the show and do these things so there's
already an opening happening that's why when you see hypnotists on stage they'll start
with 30 and it'll be 20 and it'll be seven and they'll end up with seven because they
know and I don't do stage hypnosis I don't even know exactly what it is but how to do
it but they're like okay here's the seven most suggestible people who are open and willing
to have fun with this and that's what makes them do these things hypnotherapy with us
and me there also has to be a willing to go into the pain and go into the darkness yeah
and so we'll we'll discuss what are we working on today well I feel this really big grief
I'm like all right are you willing to do this you're ready to go in here like yeah and so
already there's this softening that happens but there's no me going and picking out stuff
or being like give me your darkest dirty secrets right now now you're always there and most
people are fully conscious as we're in the subconscious mind we're having a conversation
your eyes are closed you're a little bit more relaxed you're on your chair you know and
we're just a lot of people don't realize is is that when you're in hypnotherapy you're
giving yourself permission to look into the subconscious and that's it's not boogeyman
it's yourself it's just being willing to take and all the subconscious is is your scripts
it's the scripts you coated yourself with yes some of them are broken that's it it's
like yeah yeah and and you said it really great it's like you're giving yourself permission
to go in your subconscious so you can heal there's no magic button for Joey or wand
I'm just really good at getting you there and going deeper and and feeling into if there's
more layers and kind of tuning into my intuitive gifts I would say and my connection to the
to that realm but you do it you're going in you're looking at this stuff you're seeing
sometimes the insanity of your story and your subconscious doesn't care if you're living
a good life or bad life it doesn't care if it's bad or good or doesn't painful or not
it just wants to stay the same it knows your program that's the program we've been running
for 30 years and that's what we're gonna hold on to right so that's why there's resistance
a lot of the time to change but you know something from I think was A Course in Miracles that
says that the ego does two things very well and it's deny the truth of love and see all
healing as a threat because it just it's gonna change the identity of who you are is not
gonna be the same after this healing what does that look like fear of no control that's
what the ego wants but yet we are going into more expansive more expression more love and
the subconscious or the ego doesn't care it wants to stay the same that's why so many
people stay in you know abusive relationships and their lives never change it because the
conditioning the programming underneath the surface doesn't doesn't support what they
actually want yeah yeah
so you started with the idea that you know I am part of source and I've been in a conversation
with myself about that for about the last year and a half and Rich and I have talked
about that but and I realized I'm not Jonathan.
Jonathan was a name given to me and that idea of letting go of that old identity I said
I don't have to be any different I don't have to be any different I just have to let go
of my own preconceived notions and I found it what does everybody want is freedom yeah
and I think that's what that avatar does is create those buffers that protect you and
so what has been your relationship the more you I said with Joey yeah gosh so many versions
of Joey have died and and been reborn and and everything else I was just telling a friend
like you want to see how far you've come just look at your Facebook memories you know I
just had one pop up the other day is some I don't can't remember what I wrote I'm like
geez I wrote that oh my gosh like that's painful even read my relationship has grown so much
and honestly in this last even two weeks I feel so at peace with who I am because I know
that I'm I'm this beacon this light and I know that God and source if I allow it works
through me and I'm not my my I'm not my mistakes I'm not my my shortcomings I'm not my past
and I'm not my future I'm just here I'm in a big surrender I'm very grounded right now
I feel very good about how he's working through me and but that was not all the case always
the case as you as you know as well but I don't know if that answered your question
I kind of went maybe off so what drew you or I say you you were felt drawn to hypnotherapy
how did that unfold for you in terms of taking that on is something you wanted to do so that's
where it's meant to be from the prison to that kind of that's that's a big difference
oh dude is I never I never understood why I even ended up in that job but now that I
do what I do it makes perfect sense because some of the best guides healers coaches have
gone into the darkest stuff they needed to see the darkest caves in order to shine the
brightest light and I realized working in a prison for 10 years other than a war zone
I don't know if there's a heavier energy I don't know if there's a darker energy than
a prison other than going to war which I thank goodness have never experienced and I was
like oh I needed to feel the darkest stuff I needed to be around the people who had the
deepest pain you know and I'm like it makes total sense and so I went it did my training
came out of it and I was just so gung-ho I was like I'm gonna do this on the side I'm
gonna help everybody and I'm gonna just show them the power of this and that was met with
so much resistance I mean people like all my so many friends call me crazy call me this
because I got into the spiritual like meditation and and uh it started part-time and I had
no real following on Instagram or anything like that it was just local but I started
to help some people I started to realize like oh okay I'm actually really good at this and
I started to evolve and March 2020 so two years after almost two years to the day after
I got my certificate and doing it part-time COVID kind of hit did the thing it's March
2020 everybody's in chaos I have one of the most steady jobs in the planet I got a six-figure
salary Canadian federal government pays pretty good for that six-figure salary benefits I'm
10 years in got 15 years left full pension and I'm like I am out and people are like
you're nuts like what are you thinking you're gonna and I packed my family we moved from
Manitoba to British Columbia and I just knew that was another pull of intuition you can't
stay here you've gotten you've got what you you got what you needed you helped where you
needed to help now you need to shift and take that leap and that was by far the scariest
leap of faith I've ever taken especially in a world that seemed to be collapsing all around
us did it coincide with COVID or did COVID precipitate it no I had nothing to do with
it it's like it's almost like COVID made no difference to me okay it was time yeah it
was a six-month process basically saying like I'm like I'm quitting and with the government
we could have taken I could have taken a year off and had my job back yeah and that was
an option and I could hear it if you do that you'll go back it'll be too safe it'll be
too easy to go back to the comfort of your six-figure salary and everything else and
you won't do what you really are meant to do and so I just quit and I was asked like
three different times are you sure are you sure I'm like I'm done and I had nothing to
do with COVID at all but it just made things a little bit more intense that I was letting
this go this is this you know what what my parents said I had it made you got it all
you got two kids you got a six-figure job you got a house all these nice things and
I was like I can't do this it's not always the essence of life no and so I was able to
leave the breadwinner it's like right we do this kind of and I've done a few of those
and it's like what are you doing oh yeah and I went three months so my wife at the time
was working still and it was three months of me not really other than a part-time clients
one or two a week and I was like oh my gosh I remember going calling a buddy and saying
hey if I wanted to come back to work like is it possible they're like no you quit you'd
have to go through training again start at the bottom your salary everything I'm like
okay that's not an option three months of being what you would have done if it had have
been an option I don't think I think it was just more of a fear energy I was in kind of
going oh geez did I do the wrong thing I don't think I would have ended up doing it anyway
but it was it closed the door very quickly I'm like okay next and then I came into June
2020 and that's when I started going on social media and sharing stuff on tik-tok and honestly
that's when everything God was like here there's an abundance of people waiting to work with
you that you can help and I went from you know making you know my first full year I
I more than made over you know what I was making with the government what I love yeah
it was crazy like honestly it's a it's still wild to me that it all happened the way let
me ask you something going back to the to the idea of the matrix do you I don't want
I want to kind of assume that you think something is shifting globally but if you do what is
that what do you think is happening yeah I mean we can go down the rabbit hole of conspiracies
I've been down that hole a few times with conspiracy as long as it's grounded like in
my reality it's like I know this ability but yeah we're also a human race yes and I think
that's the humans that I want you to speak to yeah yeah I just think we are seeing the
collapse of a system that isn't working I think it's not collapse it's collapsing oh
yeah there's no there's no way or other way around it and I think because it's collapsing
like the subconscious you're seeing all that fear from the unconscious coming up and saying
no we need to hold on to this right and so it's I think it's a war of not a war a battle
of consciousness right now that we're in is we are evolving as a human as a species in
a lot of beautiful ways and that scares a lot of people who are stuck in the old and
I'm not saying it's right or wrong I don't know but there is a massive shift happening
you're seeing more people do the work going within whether that's in their religion or
through other spiritual means and that is to me is the biggest sign I'm like oh we're
not just going you did this you did that even though there's a lot of that still happening
a lot of people are going okay how do I heal what I'm seeing within myself because what
I'm seeing out here is alive in me right all the stuff I'm seeing that I don't like guess
what it triggers me because that is also alive in me and until we do that then our protests
come from a place of love then our action come from a place of true alignment but until
then and we're seeing that I don't think yeah I think we're on the on the brink of something
pretty big I don't know if it's years away or decades away or if we're just on it or
in it but yeah let me ask you a question in terms of something I think you just said is
yeah it's always codependent until you love yourself yeah do you agree with that yeah
I do yeah because when you said it I was like holy shit that's blowing my mind well it's
true it's we everything everything I see until you love yourself yes it can't come from a
place of love yes that's brilliant yeah dude like it's it's uh we I have these talks a
lot with with friends and it's like you know there's so much rage about this and that and
this and that I'm like you are seeing that because you're meant to look within yourself
you're looking outside of course and it's hard it's hard to see these atrocities and
these things happening 100 I don't have answers for it but it until we do this work and come
back home and real and and and get grounded again uh it's we're gonna see a lot of this
the contrast is so palpable right now because there's that biggest big shift yeah so and
a friend asked me she he's like you think all this darkness that we're seeing and it's
like more darkness I'm like no I think the equal equal amounts of light are on this planet
at the same time we're just not looking for it a lot of people are doing magical work
beautiful work for humanity and shifts and changes and any environment um but we just
we don't really see that the matrix as you say is loves to just pump you know the negative
and the dark and this versus that and you versus them and blue versus red and you name
them all the others it was divided of course yeah yeah it's an easy way to it's tried and
proven right we've seen it across history your video today that you had um I ate it
up it was about worthy uh and when you discover you're worthy you it's life starts getting
a lot easier that was that just hit me so much over the last couple years is when you
go in do the work yeah and then you don't have those same triggers because when you
do the work you take care of the triggers yep and you can go through life and I realized
how much of wow I don't have a lot of bullshit to deal with yeah yeah yeah tell me about
your experience because you work with a lot of people who are who are going through this
to heal yeah and what's the value of that and share the value because I think that's
what keeps people from wanting to do it yeah I think well the value is it's it's it happens
quickly it's but there are layers to the healing uh but three big belief systems that get broken
down really quickly is that you're separate like you talked about that yeah basically
you know the illusion that you're not loved or lovable you're not enough the way you are
and you're not worthy of your dreams or what you're being pulled to do yeah once those
three core belief systems are broken down and you bring awareness to the unconsciousness
of it you create that space that's where all the charge in the body gets released and you're
like oh okay wait so that isn't real and that's where your consciousness consciousness rises
and expands and you just felt to see the whole game of life completely different yeah so
you're not your wounds you're not your trauma you're not what happened to you you're not
a story we're a story and you're not a bad person because it was all illusion yeah most
people are afraid if they let the illusion out they're gonna die it's like no you're
gonna live a much better life because it is an illusion yeah that's ego versus the higher
self right it's the soul versus the ego ego is always rooted in fear and losing something
and the higher self is always you're literally all of this and love so deeply you know and
that's why I tell people to say oh how do I know what my thoughts where they're coming
from is it love or is it fear yeah is it love or is it fear okay the love was the thought
was light and it was supportive and it made me okay guess what that's higher self is it
oh no this this is gonna break down I'm gonna be this or my kids are gonna be screwed up
that's ego it's like that's such a simple way and what I really love is listen to the
body when you have a thought or many how does your body react does it give you tense up
does it make you feel this ego every time or wound does your body respond as like ooh
excitement chills lightness positive yeah it's the body always gives you feedback right
and let me let me tangent a little bit here because I think this is really important is
men tend to live in their mind not their body yeah what how do you help men we have a lot
of listeners who are men how do you help men specifically get into their body because it's
sometimes it's not easy breath works huge for man I think that's a really easy way back
and it's it's not meditation it's it's breath work it's a little bit more of a grit to it
and I think guys really like that breath works really important but teaching guys how to
meditate too and showing them it's not this mystical thing that you have to be in some
mood Buddhist robe on a cushion you can do it anywhere but once I had a thought let me
let me ask you a question I had a thought today as I was sitting outside and I was doing
breath work and all of a sudden I realized whenever I'm focused on my breath I'm not
focused on my bullshit and I think what a lot of people don't realize is is extremely
practical you you you learn to train your mind not to focus on the bullshit through
breath work and all you're doing is focusing on the breath it's like you said it's not
mystical no and it's it's extremely practical 100% and the more you do it the better you
get at it it's like going to the gym the guy's listening like you'll go to the gym you'll
bench press you'll squat you'll do all those things guess what you're present doing that
aren't you you're not in your mind a lot of people say Jim's therapy because why because
you're present you're just doing what you're doing and you're not up here it has nothing
to do with the gym or the weights it's just a way to be be present meditation is the same
just being with the breath is the same and so the more you can come back into the moment
the more the less you're in the future or the or the the depression of the past anxieties
future depressions past or the responsibilities world's a little wild right now we got a lot
on our shoulders men have a lot on their shoulders and we carry everything we don't have to carry
all this stuff drop it come into your body take the breath yeah yeah go squat go with
your body start feeling i think that's the thing i was going back to is to learn when
you get into your body you can start feeling love and you can't get into your body you
cannot feel love you can think you're loved but you can't feel love and love becomes the
validator yeah so most people don't realize that is you can think something all day long
but unless you feel it in your body your body will never be satisfied and that's how you
create satisfaction is you have to listen to your body yeah and dropping in is hard
it's hard so squatting thank you thank you it's hard at first and that's what i want
to help people get over that hump yeah yeah yeah and dude it just takes one time for the
click to happen you know that right you have that one moment it might be four seconds of
a breathwork session you're like oh that was different i can do this yeah it's like anything
you're gonna go to the gym you're not gonna squat 350 pounds on your first day you're
gonna do the bar you're gonna get the movement down you're gonna throw maybe a plate on each
side then get that movement down you get stronger same thing with meditation or same thing with
breath work it's just presence and consciousness coming and your thoughts are gonna come and
you come right back to it yeah yeah it's not hard it's just hard at the beginning like
anything what's your favorite part of hypnotherapy watching the transformation happen now okay
and connect the dog one story without revealing any id share one story that has kind of giving
you the reality this is exactly where you're supposed to be all there's so many i'm just
trying to think it's like i'm gonna scattered right now um i think some of the most uh it's
not one it's it's a couple but it's in a small encapsulation yeah yeah uh a lot i deal with
a lot of sexual uh molestation abuse um being in this in this space i didn't you don't realize
like how much of that sorry how much of that is prominent and how many people have gone
through that but to see someone go into that not reliving it but revisiting it with a new
consciousness because that's what happens is like you're bringing a new awareness of
today to that younger version and you get to change the story with your younger self
time doesn't exist in that moment and when your younger self sees you coming to rescue
him yeah oh the whole energy that the story changes it goes from powerless to i got you
i got you look holy shit okay i'm not alone and that younger self it it clicks you see
it happen and then it's like there is no such thing as time is no such thing as time the
eagle loves time right exactly that's how it keeps us separated from the trauma is it
says oh there's this time thing yeah yeah and i heard something really cool the other
day the only reason the ego made time is because it stops from everything from happening at
once yeah i was like oh all right so time's kind of beautiful but it also doesn't exist
so you can literally heal now right all these pieces and what i love about it is like you
get to bring your your little self at eight years old back arm around his arm around him
give him a noogie tell him how much he's loved tell him how beautiful he is how freaking
worthy he is and there's nobody that knows your younger self more than you so he's going
to believe you more than any therapist any any person that's going to tell you this or
that it's you that needs to show up for you every single time and so seeing that happen
and the tears flow and the ease and the pressure just re-released and see the story change
that's the stuff right there that's what makes it worthwhile i my mom was a sexual abuse
counselor and she taught me a lot and told me stories and you just there's some i think
that's the thing that i'm hopeful for as a larger group of people really beginning to
do the soul work yeah yeah is that we're releasing a uh really a shit ton of karma and what people
don't realize is when you release the karma good things happen like really good things
that's why i'm extremely positive about where we're going because i think what's going to
happen is love is going to win so and it's like we're all we're all going to realize
let's work together rather than against each other yeah yeah and yeah and it starts here
and then expands to your family and then expands to your community and then your province or
state and it just it has no choice but to ripple out but if we stop going here first
and started going here first it's like you can't fight uh that against that like the
war on drugs never worked the war on war the war never worked never worked you need to
focus on what you're creating what you want to see shift versus fighting what you don't
love um yeah yeah very cool so how do people find you uh instagram joey labossi it's a
mouthful but you can find me uh youtube tiktok same thing as joy labossi 2 on tiktok though
i was banned on there not sure why but when i was looking in your instagram in your uh
tree link uh you had something that caught my attention is uh conquering the imposter
yeah class yeah give us give me a one to two minute summary because that's provocative
i like that idea yeah um i think everybody who steps into themselves and want to they
do the healing they realize they are so much more but as they get into that so much more
or follow a calling or a pull or purpose they often meet that imposter that one's saying
who the heck are you to do this why would anybody listen to you why would anybody want
to work with you what that's that imposter syndrome but it's just a limiting belief really
that comes that comes up and but those need to be healed those need to be taken care of
because if that's rooted in some really deep stuff or heavy stuff it's going to nip at
your heels the whole way but it's it's an illusion as well that's an illusion it's something
you were taught or something happened to you for you to think that you are not enough again
exactly yeah that's i we always try and find people who are trying to elevate people and
joey i love your stuff and for anybody who's on instagram are you on any other platforms
do you do youtube instagram facebook youtube tiktok as of right now so uh it because his
stuff is fantastic it's really incredibly inspiring you and our soul brothers because
we have the same energy and we say the same stuff all the time yeah that's what drew me
to you uh so thank you for being our guest dude this was one of my favorite i've said
that so many times but it's been a pleasure knowing you brother thank you for joining
us it's an absolute honor to be on here and to connect with you and and your your following
and your audience so thank you so much for having me absolutely so to all of our listeners
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