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I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.

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But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.

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All right, let's get started.

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Welcome to Living in the Matrix.

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I'm Jonathan and folks, Rich, unfortunately, is at the hospital with his wife.

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So please be thinking about him.

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They're trying to figure out what's wrong.

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So he's not going to be joining us today.

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But I've got Joey Labassiere.

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Did I get that right?

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Yeah, you nailed it pretty good.

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How would you say it?

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Well, it's French.

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It's French.

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So it's in French.

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It's Labassiere.

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But in English, I took French six years.

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So the way you said that, I was like, damn.

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Yeah.

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So I took it.

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It's Labassiere.

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I had to learn everything in French for six years.

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I don't remember any of it.

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Anyway, that's fair.

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So let me introduce you because your bio is really interesting.

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You're a clinical hypnotherapist and a guide and an activator.

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You help people embody self-worth mastery.

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You are likely, like we were saying before, you are likely the most perfect candidate

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for what we do here on Living in the Matrix.

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Incredible.

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Yes.

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Welcome.

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You're honored.

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Thank you so much.

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Thanks for having me, man.

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Yeah, so I want to start with the grand idea of you focus on awakening.

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And a big part of work.

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So this is Living in the Matrix podcast.

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A big part of what we always dialogue around is this concept of a matrix is something

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that is a controlling mechanism, primarily around an illusion.

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Right.

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And that awakening is coming out of that illusion to one principal idea that you have dignity

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and value as a human being.

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And it can be connected to a God or something, but it's that awakening part of me.

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Help me understand your understanding of that great awakening.

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Yeah, I would say it's the dissolving of illusions that we've, you know,

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we've been programmed to think are real or important.

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And I think it is coming home to the understanding for me anyway of we are source.

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We are creator.

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We are God expressed in human form.

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And we are these incredible.

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I got goosebumps just saying that.

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It feels good to say that.

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Yeah, it does say it does feel good.

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And I'm even deeper in this relationship with God right now where God for me was such a

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like I wouldn't even fucking say it man.

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Like the word God or Jesus was just like no, because I grew up in the Catholic Church.

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Confirmation communion confirmation and I had to have these weird experiences with the

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church where I just nothing resonated and I kind of went atheist in my teens and going

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in this.

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And then, you know, dark night of the soul kind of happens in my late 20s early 30s.

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And I was like, oh, that's when the awakening happened.

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I was like, what was the principal element of your dark night?

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You don't have to go too deep in.

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What was that thing you were overcoming?

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I think it was a well, I think it was just all the things kind of coming to a head.

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And so that was what I didn't realize then was some abuse as a child.

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I had some pretty big trauma with some relationships drinking a lot really partying since I've

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been 14 man.

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I've been like that was my whole thing was like I was the guy I was like you want to

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want to party to call Joey up he's in like he's doing it.

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So a lot of drinking I was a correctional officer in a maximum security prison for a

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Which one in Stony Mountain penitentiary in Manitoba Canada.

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So that was a heavy place to work and near-death experience kind of car accident and it just

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I took time off work and I was pacing up and down my hallway of my home.

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I had a baby that was or I had my son.

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up and down and a few things happened where I just kind of collapse on the deck outside

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of my home and I'm like I'm done like I'm done this whatever this is and then that car

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accident kind of happened.

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I woke up the next day just kind of like oh something needs to shift but I realized I

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needed to I needed to look at how I was contributing to my own suffering like the parts of my life

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that I'm consciously choosing on a regular basis that is not in alignment with with with

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what I want and so the drinking and the partying and the texting and the social media addiction

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this you know drugs you name it and I had to make this choice and then that's kind of

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when it all started to shift for me.

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2016 2016.

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And what was the primary thing that you think first shifted for you kind of what was that

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awakening to?

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I started just meditating and I was like okay I'm going to try this stuff and I kind of

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did it early in 2013 a little bit I had just read a was it the a new earth by Eckhart Tolle

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in 2013 while I was traveling and that was the kind of moment I was like oh wait there's

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way more here and so I started at that collapse moment I was like I got to change some things

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so I started meditating and I started to kind of get messages and start to feel into myself

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yeah you were just like there's something.

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There's something yeah I mean I felt it I've had it you know.

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The unnamed.

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You know it's like what is that I don't know because every time I try and understand that

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it's always wrong you know.

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Oh yeah yeah our human little minds can't figure out can't comprehend.

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I think that is that center point of posture of just saying fucking I don't know that's

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what humility looks like to say I'm smart enough to know I'm not going to hold on to

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my own idiocy you know it's like I want to let it go.

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Yeah there is something to discover right.

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Oh yeah yeah oh man what did you discover.

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Well I had these I'm gonna say one moment there's one moment after my daughter was born

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in 2016 I think it might have been 2017 I was still going through it at that time 2017

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January day in Canada but it was like five degrees Celsius beautiful day bluebird sky

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sun shining and I'm still in this kind of heaviness I grabbed my portable speaker I

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wrapped my little girl who was like maybe three months old at the time in her stroller

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and we go walking on the gravel road from just outside of my property not even thinking

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of anything I have Zen music playing you know Tibetan bowls and you know handpan music I'm

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just walking and all of a sudden and I call this my first real moment with God it was

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a seven to ten minute time period I would say where everything completely stopped and

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my awareness shifted to such a fine like a fine it was like everything was under a microscope

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I was walking around slow motion you're conscious you're oh conscious fully conscious and it

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started to get stronger and I could feel my daughter and her presence and I'm looking

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in the ditch and these long pieces like long blades of grass are blowing it but I'm seeing

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every single one as if they're separate but all connected the snow is falling off the

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trees every sprinkle every little dot in the sky is like I'm connected to everything if

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whatever I focus on I could zoom right into it and feel it and it was a this moment of

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like what is this but there was no thought it was pure presence at the it was honestly

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to this day one of the most magical experiences of my life and I got to have it with my daughter

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and now she's another oh I guarantee it you know she's only three months old so she's

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going three months old yeah yeah but I think she activated me in that moment like yeah

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I feel that around my grandson so my grandson is I've he lives with us and what I'm realizing

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is children babies especially have an energetic connection that is very open like they don't

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they'll like here's my energy I were having a good time you know yeah that's her I can

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see a child at her age fully receiving that kind of you know she just reminds me of a

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little quick sorry to come off topic a little bit she was well five or six I was in the

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kitchen with her a couple years ago and I'm just looking at her and she's drawing and

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she's just in her element and I just look at her I'm like Kelly she's like yeah daddy

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I said I am so grateful and so lucky to be your daddy and she looks at me and she goes

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well yeah I picked you and I'm like what she's like I picked you I'm like okay I'm like I'm

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intrigued now I'm like okay this is good I'm like what do you mean you picked us she's

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like well I was in the other world and I got to choose and I picked you I said interesting

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I'm saying what's world she said the blue world I said oh okay and I said then what

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she's like well then I just jumped in the portal I'm like what like blown away like

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she said it so matter-of-factly like yeah dad like come on dude like you should know

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this by now like like I was just it was just silly to her that I didn't know this and I'm

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like whoa so completely blew my mind and this and this she's always been very much like

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you know and sometimes they look at you and they look through you like she does this randomly

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looks into my eyes and just stares at me like are you doing but yeah they're amazing they're

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amazing so at that point yeah what did you do with that experience like because I understand

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that I've had many of those experiences but especially on psychedelics that's when they

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become very prominent but they don't go away when you're not on psychedelics you realize

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oh it's a consciousness of yeah there is presence I do belong I am welcome here because I think

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that's what most people are really wrestling with internally yeah is do I belong right

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and did you feel that yeah I mean I felt like I was honestly I was at the verge of like

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ending it a couple times like I didn't have a plan but I was completely like I don't I

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didn't think I'd make 30 years old like I was just like screw this man like bored or

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just hurting I think just hurting and not knowing where the story was coming from like

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way how deep the hurt was like I would look at my I'm like oh yeah you know maybe look

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back at my childhood I'm like I had a pretty normal childhood nah not really I mean we

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always normalize stuff as we're older it's like no big deal and you can you compare trauma

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you compare oh I didn't have it as bad as this person but yeah I think I was just tired

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man tired of being and tired of playing so many roles to be loved tired of being this

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guy for that group because they like that version of me tired of being that group for

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this person because I would just chameleon into whatever I needed to to just be tell

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me I'm enough show me I'm enough am I enough now well I think that's what I found a lot

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of liberation when I realized I was part of source like it's a very different experience

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like I grew up an evangelical Christian and so I was like a child of God but it wasn't

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a felt experience it was an intellectual experience and I never realized oh it can actually and

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so I searched for that felt experience for most of my young life right but I realized

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is when I got to a point that no I I'm part of that source there is no separation like

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this is what Richard and I talk about on our podcast is so good is there is me or who I

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think I am and then there's my version of God and that distance yes he is in to me that's

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sin that's probably the simplest words this is the error we make that we're separated

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yeah and my job is to close that gap and Richard and I this conversation is where is the distinction

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between you and God and I said there is none we are actually listening and that changed

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everything for me yeah seeing that I was part of source it doesn't change anything that

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Jesus does in the story for people who are Christians it magnified he goes well Jesus

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said I am so why can't I say I am that's what Richard and I have been talking about is being

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part of source fundamentally changes because you realize now I can take this avatar that

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I've created and yeah again dismantling it yeah you understand what I'm talking about

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totally man right last week happened for you in that regard how did what what had to dismantle

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this this this idea that I wasn't enough and I think this is something we a lot of us deal

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with but I had such a personality or persona of like confidence and this and that that

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nobody would have thought that Joey didn't think he was wasn't enough but I had to slowly

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start breaking that down and that all started with so the meditation help but I had this

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you know I was working a 16-hour shift at the jail one night my wife called me she's

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like hey she's like you got to see this guy his name is Adrian Wesley and he's a hypnotherapist

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and we were doing multi-level marketing stuff at the time we just kind of we're kind of

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like looking at online stuff and the group we had had him talking and he was talking

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about trauma he's talking about you know his mum had committed suicide I think he was 10

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and the grief and the guilt that he carried and I got home from the 16-hour shift and

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I was just in this video and I was like this is where the first intuitive pull that I ever

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really felt after my awakening that was so undeniable I was like you know God speaking

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through me going hey listen focus I'm like yep I got it and I watched the video he talked

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about trauma releasing that and his relationship I can't remember what else but I remember

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Mel looking at me she's like you should work with him I'm like no I'm gonna go do this

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she's like what I had no idea about subconscious I had no idea trauma I had no idea about hypnotherapy

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none of it she's like what are you talking about I'm like I don't know I have no answers

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I don't know but I got to follow this message him the next day on messenger where'd you

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go to school thanks so much for your thing find out where the school is called Jen Dodds

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who is the person who's running the school for me had a quick talk I'm like I don't know

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what it is but there's something pulling me towards learning what this this modality I

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don't know why tell me a little bit about the school is there a spiritual connection

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to this I'm like okay good I need that click two weeks later I'm I took all my holiday

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time all my loot time all my bank time at work went for the psych six weeks straight

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flew across the country going to study what's that you felt it oh it was immediately like

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do not waiver from this poll and I knew it was like okay I'm going it was like a poll

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like I had no choice yeah they made no sense to my mind or anybody in my life you know

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what do you mean you're gonna study hypnotherapy I'm like yeah don't worry about it and did

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that and what I didn't realize during that time is that all the work we would do on each

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other and this is where we access the unconscious this is where we this is what ayahuasca does

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this is what mushrooms do it allows us to go into the depths of where we're hiding all

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this pain and I healed so much in that month that I came out of like holy shit I can't

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wrap my head around this but I'm like this relationship that thing was healed that thing

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was moved and then it just creates space right and then and then it just kind of evolved

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from there I ended up going to Guatemala and yeah there's a ton of other stuff we can go

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over but that's where the major healing started for me.

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For our listeners describe an ayahuasca experience you scared that you've done one what was it

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So I sat for three nights straight and drank ayahuasca I would explain it as this.

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Did you do three ceremonies or one?

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Three ceremonies.

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Three ceremonies yeah back to back to back it was supposed to be four but I just my body

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was so tired I would explain my ayahuasca journey as what this medicine does really

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well and I think with any healing whether it's through hypnosis whether it's with the

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plants whether it's with a guide a shaman whatever you first need to see who you are

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not in order to see who you are and so a lot of times the medicine for me brought up all

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these beliefs and things and we see the demons the demons is unconscious thoughts belief

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systems energy around trauma and it brings it to the surface for you to purge because

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a lot of you've heard of people throwing up on ayahuasca well that's because we're we're

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bringing on the unconscious demons if you will the unconscious pain wounding and through

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it you're purging it out of the body you're like kind of like a somatic experience of

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people doing somatic work you're purging it through different ways and this is through

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through the throwing up and so I would have something come up and I could and I would

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just feel it in the body because it's all about staying conscious and not letting your

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mind take you right like any psychedelic experience you let the mind take you it can take you

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on for a ride yeah so the trauma would come up in my awareness then I would feel it in

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the body and they kind of teach you the shamans teach you to kind of pull it from the depths

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so the more you focus on the sensation of the body the more you can stay with it and

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it usually just kind of rumbles in the stomach and then you purge it some of it was beautiful

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some of it was extremely challenging but in my in my in my being afraid yeah in the vomiting

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part are you feeling fear are you feeling release what are you feeling vomiting part

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was some of the most beautiful for me to be honest interesting I've never heard that

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the scary part for me is when I allow myself to go unconscious I'd let the demons take

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me for rides and tell me I'm this you're that you're this you're that and I'm like no this

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is not who I am but it's because and that's when they teach you stay with the breath stay

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in your body stay in your body follow the medicine and so often after the purge and

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the work that we need to be done and you would hear her she'd talk to you and she's like

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you're not done yet we got more you can do this and I'm like geez how are we having this

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conversation or was that your guy mama you could hear her voice you can hear her and

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she'll speak yeah she she speaks through you for sure and I remember this one time I was

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working on my abuse and then I would work and I could hear her how deep can you go now

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that you're here you're in it how much can you do not only for me for my dad for my grandfather

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for the collective and I'm like oh my gosh I'm like okay I'm being called into service

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here it was just wild and I was like okay and I remember being in the bucket throwing

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up and I'm like let's go bring me in like I'm here let's go and I would it's like you're

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pulling out layers and these you're going into the roots of your your ancestry and then

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it would be like it would extend your ancestry what's the experience is it physical are you

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physically feeling it or are you seeing it in your head I would kind of be it would kind

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of come through me as like almost like a channeling like it'd be like okay here's where you're

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guided first my abuse and I remember I'll focus on the abuse and that and I would throw

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up and then it'd be like oh there's more layers or it's rooted to deeper stuff with dad and

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I'd see my dad or feel that it was my dad's stuff and go into my dad's stuff and then

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it'd be like layers into my grandfather I'm like oh I'm like let's just follow this and

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then it just I'm clear cognizant so it's more of a knowing that it is a visual for me okay

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no I understand it's it's it's almost like coherence it's not it's not a feeling and

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it's not a visual it's something it's like awareness hundred percent yeah yeah and so

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then I could hear her you have more like go and she'd push you and your body just wants

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to throw up the white flag it's like I'm done she's like no you're not I'm like you're just

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look yes I am yeah an hour and a half of throwing up dude I'm like come on and I'm in there

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and she's like how many layers can you go I'm like you know what I'm here and I almost

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felt like I was in the biggest soccer game football game hockey game in my career and

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I was like bring it I got this I'll carry the team and it felt like I was releasing

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collective trauma not even my just my generational line not just my family like I was I was volunteering

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to say okay let's clear this density let's clear this darkness let's just get it out

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and then I remember that at the end of that night just falling back in my bed and hearing

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her saying you did a good job you did great and that's enough for now and I was just like

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oh okay and just collapsing in this bliss like body's completely direct and just being

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like wow I got to do that like I got to I was I was called to do that and I did it I

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kicked ass like it was wild yeah would you do it again after after night three and I

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was leaving I'm like I'm never doing that again then but but like my first experience

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with Aya I never went because it was cool I never went because I wanted to I was called

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yeah you felt led there I was called and I'll do the same again if I'm called again which

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I know she's coming around I could see the whispers already then I will go but I'm not

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forcing it I'm not jumping in just to say oh I want a quick fix for my life no.

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So Joey I want to switch gears a little bit with you because I want to dive into the idea

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of hypnotherapy we've had a gentleman named Mark Dawes who's a hypnotherapist out of New

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Zealand and I got to interview him and he gave me a lot of perspective but I would love

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to hear yours because you were drawn to it like literally drawn to it and you dove headfirst

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in but help unpack for our listeners what hypnotherapy really is because you have a

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grounded approach it seems like yeah I've my approach has shifted so much I think with

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any type of this work whether you're a psychotherapist even or you know a shaman or any like I it's

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become such a spiritual practice for me there's a much it's it's less clinical now than it

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was it's less by the book now than it was anytime you touch the inside of a person it's

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almost pastoral it's like incredible because you realize there's a lot of responsibility

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you have to be very very careful with people yes 100% yeah and I've developed my own style

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and to be honest unless they have a big emotional charge that they're coming with like anxiety

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attacks or big like big motions we'll follow that that's really easy that's a pretty basic

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thing in hypnotherapy you know work up get get the energy moving and follow the root

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follow the nerve to the to the original root cause which is using an emotional slide technique

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or you know very basic stuff with hypnosis but there's times where things just don't

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want to move and I learned that if you ask the higher self or ask the soul 99.999% of

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the time we go exactly where we need to go but the body wants to tell you oh all the

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time yeah and there but there's a sense of I mean obviously letting go that needs to

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happen a sense of like they need to trust the shit out of me I need to make sure that

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I have the safest space in the world for these people some some of these people know it never

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had a safe space right but once that's established and the ball starts to roll it happens fast

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and what we're doing is we're just going where I'm asking the soul where's the resistance

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where's the distortion because our souls are so perfect there's distortion within it not

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allowing our souls to be fully expressed trauma conditioning whatever you name it and so I

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just ask and it's really beautiful what happens like oh we'll go to childhood might go into

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the womb like really might go into the womb might go into past lives if and some people

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don't believe in past lives but those can be metaphors you know and it all really just

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unfolds so hypnosis is this way of just accessing this deeper layer of the subconscious it allows

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us to kind of disconnect that analytical mind and trust the inner guidance well so here's

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what I'm thinking what a lot of people are probably like my wife did a comedy routine

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with a guy who hypnotized her and I think a lot of people have sort of that version

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help us shift over a little bit to the more therapeutic approach yeah and what people

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are going to ask is are you going to control me yeah yeah no no no yeah so that's one thing

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is one of the biggest misconceptions about hypnosis is that I'm going to go in and start

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playing into your in your mind and picking things out you're never going to go where

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you're not ready to go I'm never in control they are always in control and that's something

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we discussed in the beginning it's going hey if we don't feel comfortable we'll get out

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of there we're not going to go there but it's not like this stage show where you're making

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people quack like ducks bark like dogs jump around do flips blah blah blah the people

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that go on stage these people are already called highly suggestible people like they're

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willing to go do this show they want to go on the show and do these things so there's

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already an opening happening that's why when you see hypnotists on stage they'll start

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with 30 and it'll be 20 and it'll be seven and they'll end up with seven because they

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know and I don't do stage hypnosis I don't even know exactly what it is but how to do

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it but they're like okay here's the seven most suggestible people who are open and willing

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to have fun with this and that's what makes them do these things hypnotherapy with us

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and me there also has to be a willing to go into the pain and go into the darkness yeah

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and so we'll we'll discuss what are we working on today well I feel this really big grief

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I'm like all right are you willing to do this you're ready to go in here like yeah and so

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already there's this softening that happens but there's no me going and picking out stuff

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or being like give me your darkest dirty secrets right now now you're always there and most

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people are fully conscious as we're in the subconscious mind we're having a conversation

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your eyes are closed you're a little bit more relaxed you're on your chair you know and

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we're just a lot of people don't realize is is that when you're in hypnotherapy you're

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giving yourself permission to look into the subconscious and that's it's not boogeyman

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it's yourself it's just being willing to take and all the subconscious is is your scripts

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it's the scripts you coated yourself with yes some of them are broken that's it it's

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like yeah yeah and and you said it really great it's like you're giving yourself permission

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to go in your subconscious so you can heal there's no magic button for Joey or wand

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I'm just really good at getting you there and going deeper and and feeling into if there's

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more layers and kind of tuning into my intuitive gifts I would say and my connection to the

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to that realm but you do it you're going in you're looking at this stuff you're seeing

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sometimes the insanity of your story and your subconscious doesn't care if you're living

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a good life or bad life it doesn't care if it's bad or good or doesn't painful or not

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it just wants to stay the same it knows your program that's the program we've been running

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for 30 years and that's what we're gonna hold on to right so that's why there's resistance

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a lot of the time to change but you know something from I think was A Course in Miracles that

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says that the ego does two things very well and it's deny the truth of love and see all

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healing as a threat because it just it's gonna change the identity of who you are is not

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gonna be the same after this healing what does that look like fear of no control that's

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what the ego wants but yet we are going into more expansive more expression more love and

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the subconscious or the ego doesn't care it wants to stay the same that's why so many

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people stay in you know abusive relationships and their lives never change it because the

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conditioning the programming underneath the surface doesn't doesn't support what they

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actually want yeah yeah

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so you started with the idea that you know I am part of source and I've been in a conversation

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with myself about that for about the last year and a half and Rich and I have talked

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about that but and I realized I'm not Jonathan.

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Jonathan was a name given to me and that idea of letting go of that old identity I said

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I don't have to be any different I don't have to be any different I just have to let go

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of my own preconceived notions and I found it what does everybody want is freedom yeah

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and I think that's what that avatar does is create those buffers that protect you and

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so what has been your relationship the more you I said with Joey yeah gosh so many versions

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of Joey have died and and been reborn and and everything else I was just telling a friend

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like you want to see how far you've come just look at your Facebook memories you know I

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just had one pop up the other day is some I don't can't remember what I wrote I'm like

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geez I wrote that oh my gosh like that's painful even read my relationship has grown so much

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and honestly in this last even two weeks I feel so at peace with who I am because I know

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that I'm I'm this beacon this light and I know that God and source if I allow it works

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through me and I'm not my my I'm not my mistakes I'm not my my shortcomings I'm not my past

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and I'm not my future I'm just here I'm in a big surrender I'm very grounded right now

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I feel very good about how he's working through me and but that was not all the case always

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the case as you as you know as well but I don't know if that answered your question

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I kind of went maybe off so what drew you or I say you you were felt drawn to hypnotherapy

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how did that unfold for you in terms of taking that on is something you wanted to do so that's

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where it's meant to be from the prison to that kind of that's that's a big difference

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oh dude is I never I never understood why I even ended up in that job but now that I

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do what I do it makes perfect sense because some of the best guides healers coaches have

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gone into the darkest stuff they needed to see the darkest caves in order to shine the

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brightest light and I realized working in a prison for 10 years other than a war zone

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I don't know if there's a heavier energy I don't know if there's a darker energy than

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a prison other than going to war which I thank goodness have never experienced and I was

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like oh I needed to feel the darkest stuff I needed to be around the people who had the

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deepest pain you know and I'm like it makes total sense and so I went it did my training

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came out of it and I was just so gung-ho I was like I'm gonna do this on the side I'm

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gonna help everybody and I'm gonna just show them the power of this and that was met with

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so much resistance I mean people like all my so many friends call me crazy call me this

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because I got into the spiritual like meditation and and uh it started part-time and I had

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no real following on Instagram or anything like that it was just local but I started

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to help some people I started to realize like oh okay I'm actually really good at this and

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I started to evolve and March 2020 so two years after almost two years to the day after

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I got my certificate and doing it part-time COVID kind of hit did the thing it's March

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2020 everybody's in chaos I have one of the most steady jobs in the planet I got a six-figure

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salary Canadian federal government pays pretty good for that six-figure salary benefits I'm

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10 years in got 15 years left full pension and I'm like I am out and people are like

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you're nuts like what are you thinking you're gonna and I packed my family we moved from

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Manitoba to British Columbia and I just knew that was another pull of intuition you can't

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stay here you've gotten you've got what you you got what you needed you helped where you

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needed to help now you need to shift and take that leap and that was by far the scariest

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leap of faith I've ever taken especially in a world that seemed to be collapsing all around

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00:34:54,980 --> 00:35:00,740
us did it coincide with COVID or did COVID precipitate it no I had nothing to do with

421
00:35:00,740 --> 00:35:06,580
it it's like it's almost like COVID made no difference to me okay it was time yeah it

422
00:35:06,580 --> 00:35:12,220
was a six-month process basically saying like I'm like I'm quitting and with the government

423
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:18,380
we could have taken I could have taken a year off and had my job back yeah and that was

424
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:25,660
an option and I could hear it if you do that you'll go back it'll be too safe it'll be

425
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:29,940
too easy to go back to the comfort of your six-figure salary and everything else and

426
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:34,820
you won't do what you really are meant to do and so I just quit and I was asked like

427
00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:38,780
three different times are you sure are you sure I'm like I'm done and I had nothing to

428
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:43,660
do with COVID at all but it just made things a little bit more intense that I was letting

429
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:49,140
this go this is this you know what what my parents said I had it made you got it all

430
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:53,100
you got two kids you got a six-figure job you got a house all these nice things and

431
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:58,980
I was like I can't do this it's not always the essence of life no and so I was able to

432
00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:02,900
leave the breadwinner it's like right we do this kind of and I've done a few of those

433
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:09,420
and it's like what are you doing oh yeah and I went three months so my wife at the time

434
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:16,100
was working still and it was three months of me not really other than a part-time clients

435
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:21,980
one or two a week and I was like oh my gosh I remember going calling a buddy and saying

436
00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:26,020
hey if I wanted to come back to work like is it possible they're like no you quit you'd

437
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:29,900
have to go through training again start at the bottom your salary everything I'm like

438
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:36,020
okay that's not an option three months of being what you would have done if it had have

439
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:43,300
been an option I don't think I think it was just more of a fear energy I was in kind of

440
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:47,460
going oh geez did I do the wrong thing I don't think I would have ended up doing it anyway

441
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:52,540
but it was it closed the door very quickly I'm like okay next and then I came into June

442
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:58,900
2020 and that's when I started going on social media and sharing stuff on tik-tok and honestly

443
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:04,340
that's when everything God was like here there's an abundance of people waiting to work with

444
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:11,180
you that you can help and I went from you know making you know my first full year I

445
00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:15,660
I more than made over you know what I was making with the government what I love yeah

446
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:20,700
it was crazy like honestly it's a it's still wild to me that it all happened the way let

447
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:30,100
me ask you something going back to the to the idea of the matrix do you I don't want

448
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:37,260
I want to kind of assume that you think something is shifting globally but if you do what is

449
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:42,140
that what do you think is happening yeah I mean we can go down the rabbit hole of conspiracies

450
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:47,780
I've been down that hole a few times with conspiracy as long as it's grounded like in

451
00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:56,580
my reality it's like I know this ability but yeah we're also a human race yes and I think

452
00:37:56,580 --> 00:38:02,020
that's the humans that I want you to speak to yeah yeah I just think we are seeing the

453
00:38:02,020 --> 00:38:09,140
collapse of a system that isn't working I think it's not collapse it's collapsing oh

454
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:13,300
yeah there's no there's no way or other way around it and I think because it's collapsing

455
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:18,820
like the subconscious you're seeing all that fear from the unconscious coming up and saying

456
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:25,260
no we need to hold on to this right and so it's I think it's a war of not a war a battle

457
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:31,740
of consciousness right now that we're in is we are evolving as a human as a species in

458
00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:37,460
a lot of beautiful ways and that scares a lot of people who are stuck in the old and

459
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:43,900
I'm not saying it's right or wrong I don't know but there is a massive shift happening

460
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:49,620
you're seeing more people do the work going within whether that's in their religion or

461
00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:55,100
through other spiritual means and that is to me is the biggest sign I'm like oh we're

462
00:38:55,100 --> 00:39:00,100
not just going you did this you did that even though there's a lot of that still happening

463
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:04,340
a lot of people are going okay how do I heal what I'm seeing within myself because what

464
00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:10,380
I'm seeing out here is alive in me right all the stuff I'm seeing that I don't like guess

465
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:16,220
what it triggers me because that is also alive in me and until we do that then our protests

466
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:21,660
come from a place of love then our action come from a place of true alignment but until

467
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:25,820
then and we're seeing that I don't think yeah I think we're on the on the brink of something

468
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:30,540
pretty big I don't know if it's years away or decades away or if we're just on it or

469
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:37,300
in it but yeah let me ask you a question in terms of something I think you just said is

470
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:43,980
yeah it's always codependent until you love yourself yeah do you agree with that yeah

471
00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:48,540
I do yeah because when you said it I was like holy shit that's blowing my mind well it's

472
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:55,980
true it's we everything everything I see until you love yourself yes it can't come from a

473
00:39:55,980 --> 00:40:04,100
place of love yes that's brilliant yeah dude like it's it's uh we I have these talks a

474
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:08,540
lot with with friends and it's like you know there's so much rage about this and that and

475
00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:14,300
this and that I'm like you are seeing that because you're meant to look within yourself

476
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:18,820
you're looking outside of course and it's hard it's hard to see these atrocities and

477
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:24,860
these things happening 100 I don't have answers for it but it until we do this work and come

478
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:31,460
back home and real and and and get grounded again uh it's we're gonna see a lot of this

479
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:38,100
the contrast is so palpable right now because there's that biggest big shift yeah so and

480
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:42,620
a friend asked me she he's like you think all this darkness that we're seeing and it's

481
00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:48,340
like more darkness I'm like no I think the equal equal amounts of light are on this planet

482
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:52,460
at the same time we're just not looking for it a lot of people are doing magical work

483
00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:58,500
beautiful work for humanity and shifts and changes and any environment um but we just

484
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:04,140
we don't really see that the matrix as you say is loves to just pump you know the negative

485
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:08,420
and the dark and this versus that and you versus them and blue versus red and you name

486
00:41:08,420 --> 00:41:13,960
them all the others it was divided of course yeah yeah it's an easy way to it's tried and

487
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:20,060
proven right we've seen it across history your video today that you had um I ate it

488
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:25,580
up it was about worthy uh and when you discover you're worthy you it's life starts getting

489
00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:31,780
a lot easier that was that just hit me so much over the last couple years is when you

490
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:37,060
go in do the work yeah and then you don't have those same triggers because when you

491
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:41,540
do the work you take care of the triggers yep and you can go through life and I realized

492
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:47,940
how much of wow I don't have a lot of bullshit to deal with yeah yeah yeah tell me about

493
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:51,500
your experience because you work with a lot of people who are who are going through this

494
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:58,500
to heal yeah and what's the value of that and share the value because I think that's

495
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:04,640
what keeps people from wanting to do it yeah I think well the value is it's it's it happens

496
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:11,940
quickly it's but there are layers to the healing uh but three big belief systems that get broken

497
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:17,660
down really quickly is that you're separate like you talked about that yeah basically

498
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:21,940
you know the illusion that you're not loved or lovable you're not enough the way you are

499
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:26,040
and you're not worthy of your dreams or what you're being pulled to do yeah once those

500
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,060
three core belief systems are broken down and you bring awareness to the unconsciousness

501
00:42:32,060 --> 00:42:37,500
of it you create that space that's where all the charge in the body gets released and you're

502
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:44,400
like oh okay wait so that isn't real and that's where your consciousness consciousness rises

503
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:50,860
and expands and you just felt to see the whole game of life completely different yeah so

504
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:54,460
you're not your wounds you're not your trauma you're not what happened to you you're not

505
00:42:54,460 --> 00:43:02,820
a story we're a story and you're not a bad person because it was all illusion yeah most

506
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:06,500
people are afraid if they let the illusion out they're gonna die it's like no you're

507
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:13,660
gonna live a much better life because it is an illusion yeah that's ego versus the higher

508
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:19,460
self right it's the soul versus the ego ego is always rooted in fear and losing something

509
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:26,420
and the higher self is always you're literally all of this and love so deeply you know and

510
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:29,740
that's why I tell people to say oh how do I know what my thoughts where they're coming

511
00:43:29,740 --> 00:43:36,220
from is it love or is it fear yeah is it love or is it fear okay the love was the thought

512
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:40,940
was light and it was supportive and it made me okay guess what that's higher self is it

513
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:44,800
oh no this this is gonna break down I'm gonna be this or my kids are gonna be screwed up

514
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:51,060
that's ego it's like that's such a simple way and what I really love is listen to the

515
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:58,580
body when you have a thought or many how does your body react does it give you tense up

516
00:43:58,580 --> 00:44:04,660
does it make you feel this ego every time or wound does your body respond as like ooh

517
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:13,060
excitement chills lightness positive yeah it's the body always gives you feedback right

518
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:17,960
and let me let me tangent a little bit here because I think this is really important is

519
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:26,700
men tend to live in their mind not their body yeah what how do you help men we have a lot

520
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:32,140
of listeners who are men how do you help men specifically get into their body because it's

521
00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:40,260
sometimes it's not easy breath works huge for man I think that's a really easy way back

522
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:45,060
and it's it's not meditation it's it's breath work it's a little bit more of a grit to it

523
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:48,780
and I think guys really like that breath works really important but teaching guys how to

524
00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:53,260
meditate too and showing them it's not this mystical thing that you have to be in some

525
00:44:53,260 --> 00:45:00,060
mood Buddhist robe on a cushion you can do it anywhere but once I had a thought let me

526
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:03,420
let me ask you a question I had a thought today as I was sitting outside and I was doing

527
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:08,740
breath work and all of a sudden I realized whenever I'm focused on my breath I'm not

528
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,940
focused on my bullshit and I think what a lot of people don't realize is is extremely

529
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:19,080
practical you you you learn to train your mind not to focus on the bullshit through

530
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,540
breath work and all you're doing is focusing on the breath it's like you said it's not

531
00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:29,820
mystical no and it's it's extremely practical 100% and the more you do it the better you

532
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:33,860
get at it it's like going to the gym the guy's listening like you'll go to the gym you'll

533
00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:37,500
bench press you'll squat you'll do all those things guess what you're present doing that

534
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,980
aren't you you're not in your mind a lot of people say Jim's therapy because why because

535
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:46,620
you're present you're just doing what you're doing and you're not up here it has nothing

536
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:52,140
to do with the gym or the weights it's just a way to be be present meditation is the same

537
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:56,580
just being with the breath is the same and so the more you can come back into the moment

538
00:45:56,580 --> 00:46:00,560
the more the less you're in the future or the or the the depression of the past anxieties

539
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:07,020
future depressions past or the responsibilities world's a little wild right now we got a lot

540
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:13,760
on our shoulders men have a lot on their shoulders and we carry everything we don't have to carry

541
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,620
all this stuff drop it come into your body take the breath yeah yeah go squat go with

542
00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:25,180
your body start feeling i think that's the thing i was going back to is to learn when

543
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:31,500
you get into your body you can start feeling love and you can't get into your body you

544
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:35,720
cannot feel love you can think you're loved but you can't feel love and love becomes the

545
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,660
validator yeah so most people don't realize that is you can think something all day long

546
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:44,380
but unless you feel it in your body your body will never be satisfied and that's how you

547
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:50,060
create satisfaction is you have to listen to your body yeah and dropping in is hard

548
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:56,860
it's hard so squatting thank you thank you it's hard at first and that's what i want

549
00:46:56,860 --> 00:47:01,660
to help people get over that hump yeah yeah yeah and dude it just takes one time for the

550
00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:06,100
click to happen you know that right you have that one moment it might be four seconds of

551
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:12,420
a breathwork session you're like oh that was different i can do this yeah it's like anything

552
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:15,540
you're gonna go to the gym you're not gonna squat 350 pounds on your first day you're

553
00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:19,260
gonna do the bar you're gonna get the movement down you're gonna throw maybe a plate on each

554
00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:23,780
side then get that movement down you get stronger same thing with meditation or same thing with

555
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:28,500
breath work it's just presence and consciousness coming and your thoughts are gonna come and

556
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:33,140
you come right back to it yeah yeah it's not hard it's just hard at the beginning like

557
00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:41,020
anything what's your favorite part of hypnotherapy watching the transformation happen now okay

558
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:48,660
and connect the dog one story without revealing any id share one story that has kind of giving

559
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:54,620
you the reality this is exactly where you're supposed to be all there's so many i'm just

560
00:47:54,620 --> 00:48:00,900
trying to think it's like i'm gonna scattered right now um i think some of the most uh it's

561
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:07,100
not one it's it's a couple but it's in a small encapsulation yeah yeah uh a lot i deal with

562
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:14,540
a lot of sexual uh molestation abuse um being in this in this space i didn't you don't realize

563
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:18,780
like how much of that sorry how much of that is prominent and how many people have gone

564
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:26,180
through that but to see someone go into that not reliving it but revisiting it with a new

565
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:30,540
consciousness because that's what happens is like you're bringing a new awareness of

566
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:38,100
today to that younger version and you get to change the story with your younger self

567
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:43,380
time doesn't exist in that moment and when your younger self sees you coming to rescue

568
00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:51,660
him yeah oh the whole energy that the story changes it goes from powerless to i got you

569
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:59,300
i got you look holy shit okay i'm not alone and that younger self it it clicks you see

570
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:04,620
it happen and then it's like there is no such thing as time is no such thing as time the

571
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:09,780
eagle loves time right exactly that's how it keeps us separated from the trauma is it

572
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:13,420
says oh there's this time thing yeah yeah and i heard something really cool the other

573
00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:17,500
day the only reason the ego made time is because it stops from everything from happening at

574
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:22,940
once yeah i was like oh all right so time's kind of beautiful but it also doesn't exist

575
00:49:22,940 --> 00:49:29,140
so you can literally heal now right all these pieces and what i love about it is like you

576
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:34,380
get to bring your your little self at eight years old back arm around his arm around him

577
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:38,620
give him a noogie tell him how much he's loved tell him how beautiful he is how freaking

578
00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:43,780
worthy he is and there's nobody that knows your younger self more than you so he's going

579
00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:49,540
to believe you more than any therapist any any person that's going to tell you this or

580
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:54,660
that it's you that needs to show up for you every single time and so seeing that happen

581
00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:59,800
and the tears flow and the ease and the pressure just re-released and see the story change

582
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:06,160
that's the stuff right there that's what makes it worthwhile i my mom was a sexual abuse

583
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:13,420
counselor and she taught me a lot and told me stories and you just there's some i think

584
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:19,020
that's the thing that i'm hopeful for as a larger group of people really beginning to

585
00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:26,540
do the soul work yeah yeah is that we're releasing a uh really a shit ton of karma and what people

586
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:33,260
don't realize is when you release the karma good things happen like really good things

587
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:38,060
that's why i'm extremely positive about where we're going because i think what's going to

588
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:45,420
happen is love is going to win so and it's like we're all we're all going to realize

589
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:50,940
let's work together rather than against each other yeah yeah and yeah and it starts here

590
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:54,660
and then expands to your family and then expands to your community and then your province or

591
00:50:54,660 --> 00:51:00,820
state and it just it has no choice but to ripple out but if we stop going here first

592
00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:07,540
and started going here first it's like you can't fight uh that against that like the

593
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:13,260
war on drugs never worked the war on war the war never worked never worked you need to

594
00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:18,540
focus on what you're creating what you want to see shift versus fighting what you don't

595
00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:29,140
love um yeah yeah very cool so how do people find you uh instagram joey labossi it's a

596
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:34,540
mouthful but you can find me uh youtube tiktok same thing as joy labossi 2 on tiktok though

597
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:41,460
i was banned on there not sure why but when i was looking in your instagram in your uh

598
00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:48,860
tree link uh you had something that caught my attention is uh conquering the imposter

599
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:54,180
yeah class yeah give us give me a one to two minute summary because that's provocative

600
00:51:54,180 --> 00:52:00,060
i like that idea yeah um i think everybody who steps into themselves and want to they

601
00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:03,980
do the healing they realize they are so much more but as they get into that so much more

602
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:09,500
or follow a calling or a pull or purpose they often meet that imposter that one's saying

603
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:14,140
who the heck are you to do this why would anybody listen to you why would anybody want

604
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:18,860
to work with you what that's that imposter syndrome but it's just a limiting belief really

605
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:24,660
that comes that comes up and but those need to be healed those need to be taken care of

606
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:28,580
because if that's rooted in some really deep stuff or heavy stuff it's going to nip at

607
00:52:28,580 --> 00:52:34,220
your heels the whole way but it's it's an illusion as well that's an illusion it's something

608
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:39,780
you were taught or something happened to you for you to think that you are not enough again

609
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:46,020
exactly yeah that's i we always try and find people who are trying to elevate people and

610
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:51,420
joey i love your stuff and for anybody who's on instagram are you on any other platforms

611
00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:57,900
do you do youtube instagram facebook youtube tiktok as of right now so uh it because his

612
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:02,980
stuff is fantastic it's really incredibly inspiring you and our soul brothers because

613
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:09,100
we have the same energy and we say the same stuff all the time yeah that's what drew me

614
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:13,900
to you uh so thank you for being our guest dude this was one of my favorite i've said

615
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:19,260
that so many times but it's been a pleasure knowing you brother thank you for joining

616
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:23,860
us it's an absolute honor to be on here and to connect with you and and your your following

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