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Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right. But the bottom line is,

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is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.

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All right, let's get started everyone. Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan. This is my

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host Rich. Say hello, Rich. Good to be back. Gentleman. Good to see you. Good to be here.

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Absolutely. Yeah. We have a very unique guest, someone I reached out to on Instagram.

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So this is Dr. David Wardy. He runs Wardy Wellness. And what attracted me to Dr. Wardy was

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his understanding of energy, especially around kinesiology and how the body is an energetic

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movement. And so I want to dig into with him on this, because I think this is going to be a

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fascinating episode on really learning how the body works energetically. And so Dr. welcome.

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Thank you for coming on. Jonathan, Rich, thank you for having me.

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Been listening to your podcast. Love it. I listened to one of them with your buddy,

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the chiropractor. And yeah, so me and my buddy have our podcast. I know how it goes. So

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love your all's podcast. Love what you're doing. Excited to be on the podcast today and tell my

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story. And good to meet you guys. Yeah. So let me start by saying, um,

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emotions are priority. Okay. We'll conscious of some stuff. Let's see what comes up, man.

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So this is a place for your guide, Brian, a place emotional guide is a place, buddy.

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Feelings of deep seated grief feels like giving up laughing on the outside, but crying on the

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inside, breaking the laws of love, breaking the laws of peace and joy, resentment, hatred,

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or anger built up inside. So is it resentment, hatred, anger built up inside. So we've got some,

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we're holding onto some anger, but anger built up inside. Okay. So think about that for me.

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Yeah. Very good. So you got awareness, brother. Let's just make our way into do some integration

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here. Go ahead and scan those colors top to bottom. Brown, which one's sticking out at you, bud?

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Green. So stare at the green for me, brother. Green. I love, say I love brown.

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I love green corresponds to heart circulatory systems, arms, hands, green balances, openness,

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compassion, unconditional love, forgiveness, acceptance, contentment, nurturing, generous,

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harmonious, assertive, and heals loss. All the things you need to hear, right?

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Does that one smell like fabuloso?

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Help us understand what the hell you're doing because most people won't have an idea of what

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you're doing. So the unique part about what I do in my practice is I blend a number of techniques

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together based off what the individual needs on the table in front of me. And this journey

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and has started from me as a structural based chiropractor, just coming straight out of school

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and I'm completely out of the box. Oh man, you talk about, yeah, that's what we're talking about.

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But that's how most people got their experience of it. You know, it's like they were ragged,

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because it's a wild experience when someone goes pop, you know, it's not wild. It's terrible.

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No, it's awesome.

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Yes. No, it's horrifying. That feeling that you have that anticipation you get when the neck,

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the side is fine, right? And you're on your back. It's fine when you're inside. It's fine.

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And then when that comes in, it's like, oh, I'm going to be able to do this.

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I'm going to be able to do this. I'm going to be able to do this. I'm going to be able to do this.

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And then when that comes up, there's that level of anticipation, call it maybe about three degrees

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lower than a firing range, right? Where you know something's going to happen to your neck and you

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just got to relax as much as you can. I've never been able to lean into that situation. So let me

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help me understand why I need to do that more. You know, it's interesting because I'm the same way,

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guys, like I have trouble relaxing for a cervical manual adjustment, you know? And it's funny, like

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you look at chiropractic as a profession and you guys just said it. It's immediately people run to

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the rack and crack them. I'm going to get cracked when I go into these guys. And, you know, as a

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profession, I feel like we're not doing a good job representing what we do because there's a large

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spectrum of different types of techniques across chiropractic. And it's kind of like that one thing

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you guys just talked about gets spread across the spectrum of every doctor that practices this type

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of medicine. And again, it's just because we can't make up our minds as a profession what we do.

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We don't want to just plant our flag in the sand and say, this is what we are, this is what we do.

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And we keep trying to blend in with medicine and do all these other things, right? So to get back

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to what we were talking about with this video is, you know, I started that way. I was in this box

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and, you know, like talking about living in a matrix, you know, I grew up in a household where

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I still use conventional medicine. I was on a lot of antibiotics growing up and, you know,

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we didn't eat the best in my household. My mom, right around my teenage years, started getting

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into more wellness type things and started taking better care of herself. She started working with

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an herbalist and, you know, she started going to a chiropractor. I mean, all these things started

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changing in early adolescence. So I started getting a little bit of the whole wellness, taking care

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of yourself, self-care, you know, eating right, supplementing a little bit of this. My first

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experience with chiropractic was the raccoon crack them. You know, that's all I knew. So, I mean,

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that was my story. I had a wonderful chiropractor, raccoon crack them. He did an amazing job. I was

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an athlete for most of my life. I played college football all the way through college. Chiropractic

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was a huge part of my life, but that was my picture. I was very much in a box. Okay. So,

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so what do I do in my videos? Well, I've been in practice 17 years and I'm in a place now

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where I've almost completely let go of all of what I've learned in school.

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And I am approaching the person on the table from a completely different place than what I was taught

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and given my license. Is it a feel? How would you describe that transition? It sounds to me like

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you're literally feeling what's going on as opposed to looking at the textbook sitting on your shelf.

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Okay. Tell us a little bit about that experience. So, let's do this. We're going to have to go in

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reverse, guys. I'll tell you what it is I'm doing and then I'll be able to tell my story afterwards.

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So, where am I at now? There you go. So, one of the things I always explain to our practice

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members is at no point, at no point during your visits am I intervening as a doctor.

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There's no intervention of me saying, I think that this is what needs to be done here.

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It doesn't happen in my clinic. Never happens. So, from the moment a person gets on the table,

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I'm being guided by the body as far as what priority is in order of each step

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of what needs to be done. And what I do is I run through different subsystems that I run checks on.

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So, I run checks on the field. So, I check the actual magnetic field of the body.

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Then I run checks on and I'll just tell you what they are. So, I have active, passive,

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neuro-lymphatic, extremity, field, emotions, and fascia. And so, I always-

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Do you feel like that's a full representation of the body?

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To where I'm at with the type of medicine I'm allowed to do in my scope, absolutely. Because

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when we're on table time and I'm running through those particular subsystems,

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I'm just going in priority. So, for example, if somebody's on the table and field comes up,

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that's where I start. And then after I'm done working on the field and I'm done with that layer,

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then I ask the body again, okay, now where's priority? And then I go to the next layer.

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And I don't choose what that layer is going to be. Sometimes fascia is first,

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sometimes field's first, sometimes- So, it's not linear. Okay.

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Well, let's talk about that. The body is non-linear.

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Truly.

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So, we have a medicine. We look at conventional medicine,

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everything is linear in conventional medicine. So, that's immediately understand that conventional

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medicine can't be a holistic type of care because it's linear in nature. And the human body is

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non-linear. A plus B, right, does not equal C. And I always have to explain this to people.

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So, for example, let me give that example. So, let's say priority is field on the patient.

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Okay. If I go and just assess and I see, oh, the fascia's wound up here. Oh, man, this extremity

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needs some work. And oh, man, the neuroemphatics are all clogged over here. And I assess and get

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a picture of what needs to be worked on just as the patient is. The moment I go in and do one

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thing on the body, just one thing, everything changes and has to be reassessed again. So,

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it's like cogs. The moment you move one cog, you're going to get all the same things.

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The moment you move one cog, you're going to get all these other cogs moving and changing.

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So, you're going to get a different result after you make one change. So, everything will change.

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And what I teach a lot of my CAs and the people that work with me is I teach them how to read

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the body and map the body that way so that they're letting the body guide them. But your assessment,

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taking the time to assess and allowing the body to guide you, really cleans the body up a lot

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faster and then gives the body what it's asking for. So, again, I don't intervene. And then by

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the time I'm done, I run through all these subsystems. And then the last thing I do,

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is there anything else? And if they test, they're done, they're done. And I run through all those

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subsystems until they're clear.

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But so, let's compare and contrast because in the rack and crack world, you're functionally

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moving something that produces a sound that has a feeling and it feels like something is relieved.

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Okay, that's the rack and crack thought that most people probably have an experience of.

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It's not wrong. It's just, it's the world most chiropractors have been in. And then there's

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your world, which says, no, this is a full body system that is energy, that is matter.

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We balance those in terms of all these signals. How did you get from there to there?

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So, just to follow up on what you said about the hearing the crack, right? And thinking that that's

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the healing. A lot of people think that that crack means that the medicine is taking place.

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And what's interesting is the cavitation has nothing to do with the outcome. So, I always

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tell people it's not about the crack. And that's a big misconception as it is, right? So, as again,

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I came out of school as a structural-based chiropractor. So, that was all I knew, right?

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It was you go in, you give them a good manual adjustment. There's different techniques we

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learned in school. We learned about 10 different techniques. And we did get exposed to applied

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kinesiology and some other things that were more tonal techniques, which is a lot of what I'm doing

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now. But the basis of what we're taught in school is like you guys are saying, manual adjusting.

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So, coming out of school, that's what I did. I did a little bit of supplementation.

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I started up doing some cold laser therapy right out of school, using a little bit of

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ion foot baths, wellness type things, but still very structural-based. And it was interesting.

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I didn't get the results that I thought I was going to get coming out of school.

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You start seeing these people rolling through their doors and you start adjusting them,

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and then you don't see really improvements. They're still subluxated, that you're not

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really seeing the subluxation pattern changing much. And then you start looking at the body as

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a whole and you say, okay, well, what else is going on here? Because we're taught in school

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to focus on addressing the interferences, right? So, we have three stressors the nervous system

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has to deal with. You have biochemical stress, mental, emotional, and you have physical stress.

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And the body's constantly, the nervous system's constantly having to deal with all this stress.

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It can't tell the difference what the stress is, but it has to adapt. And when we're not adapting

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well, we get dysregulated. And so, we're taught to just move bones to regulate the nervous system.

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And this can be effective. It can, and there are ways and there are good chiropractors that

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do these types of clinics where they're high volume, racconcracoma, and they're very successful,

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and people still get well. But when people are really sick, it's not enough. So, here's

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my story. So, I was a doctor at 25, and about two years after I graduated, I got married,

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met my wife. And a year into our marriage, my wife got sick one day, seemed like she had like

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an infection, her lymph nodes got real swollen around her neck and different parts of her body.

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And so, we took her to the doctor. They put her on antibiotics. And I mean, I'm still conventional

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medicine mind back then, okay? Ran, you know, got antibiotics and she just started getting worse,

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got to the point where she could barely breathe. She'd walk from like the living room to the

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bedroom and like, was it be out of breath? Like she was going to pass out. So, we're like,

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what's going on? And within a two week period, having to take her to the hospital, her hemoglobin

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level was at a 3.5. She pretty much was almost like not carrying any oxygen anymore on her blood to

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her body. So, that's why she couldn't walk. So, she got deathly ill. We have no clue what's going on

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with her. And young, right? Your wife is the same age as you are at this stage, right? Yeah,

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I'm 20. Like late 20s. She's four years younger than me. So, she's much younger than me at this

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point. Oh, geez. Wow. Because I'm only 27. So, I get hit like a year into marriage with my wife just

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like deathly ill and like we're in the hospital. And I think, I have no idea if she's going to die.

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I mean, no joke. Like I'm holding her hand at the side of the bed like from within a two week period

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of like she was fine. And then now she's like deathly ill. So, I remember being in the hospital

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and asking the doctors over and over and trying to interpret her blood work. And you're in survival

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mode at this point. And I remember being in that state and saying, there's got to be, what is causing

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this issue? There's got to be something going on. And it was really sad the responses I would get

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from the people that were taking care of my wife. It was just kind of like, wow, we don't know.

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Could be this, could be that, could be viral, could be this, but we don't know. So, that journey

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took us to multiple doctors in town. She had like multiple blood transfusions to stabilizers. They

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threw tons of prednisone at her just to suppress her immune system. But again, they don't know.

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But they're just throwing stuff out to suppress her. And I'm not bad mouthing conventional medicine.

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They saved my wife's life. And thank God that we have acute care for things like that. But what

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ended up, we ended up figuring out and what they started to shed light on, which I kind of

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already figured out before they told us was, well, it seems like she has some form of autoimmune

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disorder. It's called hemolytic anemia. Her body's attacking her red blood cells. So, I would ask

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them, well, what's causing this? Like what in the body could be causing this? They didn't have a

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clue. So, we ended up going to two Mayo clinics. We went to the one in Phoenix. We went to the one

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in Florida. And the only answer we got from them was, well, let's take her spleen out. And they

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said, okay, well, do you know that the spleen's causing the problem? They're like, well, no,

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but the chances are it could be. So, I was like, so you just want to start cutting up my wife and

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guessing, huh? And that wasn't enough for me. So, I told the doctor, no, we're not going to do that.

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I said, this is ridiculous. You guys have no clue and you're just guessing. It's almost like

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you're just throwing something on the wall to see what sticks. And I'm not going to do that with her.

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So, I remember after we had already gone, this was the second Mayo clinic. We had already talked.

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We'd done multiple phone consults with doctors at Cleveland Clinic. And like just, I mean,

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we're trying to figure out. Cleveland Clinic's amazing. Very, very well, yeah. But no answers.

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Mayo, right? Yeah. This is where people think you go to get answers, right? And we didn't

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get anything. We got no answers. So, my wife's really down at this point after the second Mayo

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clinic. We're at the clinic still. We're like in their little foyer outside by the fountains

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after our appointments and we're getting ready to leave. And she's really down and upset. And

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I remember telling her, I looked at her and I said, babe, I was like, there is a cause.

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don't know what it is right now, but we'll figure it out. And I was like, so you're going to have

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to hang in there. I was like, but don't, you can't give up hope. I was like, we'll get there.

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And so, this began our journey. So again, structural-based chiropractor, okay. I'm seeing

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like as high volume as I can on two years in practice, right? Just trying to build my practice

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at this point. I haven't really gotten my practice real built up yet. And I immediately start looking

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for answers in natural medicine. So I said, you know what? I went to the conventional box. They

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didn't have anything for me. I'm going to go look at everything and I'm not going to take anything

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out of, you know, this may not work. This could, I mean, anything could work. Let's just go see

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what's out there. So I immediately start going. I go and learn from a guy that I really wanted to

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learn from school. His name was Dr. John Brimhall. So he's a big, huge mentor of mine. Wonderful

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doctor. He's the first guy that I ran to and started learning from him. Implemented all of

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his stuff. If you see Dr. John Brimhall's work, he does a little bit of kinesiology work. He does

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some emotional central integration. He does, so that was like when I really started to get exposed

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more outside of just what I was trained in school. Because in school we had a little bit of applied

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kinesiology. I took some basic modules, but I hadn't really dove into anything yet. So Dr.

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Brimhall was really my first exposure to doing more energy work. Really starting to muscle test,

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really starting to dive into doing, you know, muscle response testing for supplementation

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and running people through his total health scan. When was this? At what time was that?

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So it was like two and a half years out of practice. So this was probably back in around

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2009-ish. That's exactly the same time. I think something was going on at that time because

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like that's when, so to our audience, there's a connection point here of that's when Dr. Hawkins

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really kind of started to really blossom and get a lot of attention. And I think we're now seeing

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the fruit of a lot of that because I think the world is waking up to mental health and how much

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it affects physical health. And you have this journey of discovering it's not just all matter,

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it's also energy. How was it again to shift from this harder construct to a more ethereal idea?

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You know, when you're in survival mode, it's interesting what you're willing to do

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just to try to get out of that state. You know? That's a great point.

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You know, we talked to patients. Yeah, I mean, it opens your box. You know, when you have your

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health, you never think about it, right? But the moment you don't have it, it's all you think about.

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And even though I was fine health-wise, that's all I thought about because my wife was like

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literally chronically ill. And by the way, guys, she just kept getting worse. You know,

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we'll keep telling the story, but it's like she didn't stabilize. She just continued to unravel

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and continue to degrade in front of me while this is going on. But yeah, I mean,

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when I started doing Brimhall stuff, the beautiful part was when we started doing the work on Clarissa

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and giving the supplements, I saw her start to feel a little bit better. So that was something

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for me, right? It was like, okay, she wasn't feeling better with anything we were doing before.

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Now we're doing this, she's feeling a little bit better. So she's getting a little bit more energy.

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And at that point, did the doctors have any diagnosis or any kind of idea?

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It was just autoimmune hemolytic anemia. We don't know, could be viral, could keep going the rest

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of her life. It may stop in a year. Like that was the answer we got. Just, I don't know.

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And it's like a technical term.

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Buddy, I don't get hung up with labels and diagnoses because I don't see the body that way.

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You know, I understand there are people in this world that look at the body that way and they,

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in medicine, we have to label things for insurance purposes and all that. But like,

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to me, it's just like, yes, my wife's immune system is whacking out. There's a reason it's

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doing that. Let's try to figure this out. That's the way I saw it. You know, and at that point,

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different frame of mind, okay? I mean, the way I see things now is a completely different

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look now compared to where I was then and the way I was seeing things, you know?

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But you know, to answer that question, guys, when you're in survival mode, I mean, the box just opens.

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It's just like, yeah, it's almost like you're asking the universe, like, please guide me.

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Amen. Yeah.

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You're just saying, please guide me and show me, just show me something so I know where to go.

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Well, what you're bringing up is something interesting that happens a lot on missions

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trips. When people are in foreign countries, they don't know the culture, they don't know

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the language. They're very out of their comfort zone. There tends to be a lot more miracles and

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a lot more things that happen with that minimalism. Liminalism.

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Liminal. Yeah, the liminal space, right? Yeah. So the encouragement, the ability to

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release all of your own suppositions and being at the almost the mercy of the universe or the divine

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or whatever the Holy Spirit, if you would. Show me.

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Yes. Yeah. Show me the way here because

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we've been down this path so many times where the physical, I mean, Neo is battling Morpheus and he

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goes, do you think that's area breathing right now? Right. They're doing the construct, right?

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And like, he seems tired and he's like trying to figure out why he's not able to be Morpheus,

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right? He goes, do you think that's what's going on? Right. And he has to, you have to quell

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that pre-defined vision, whether it's textbooks of knowledge or whether it's your

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knowledge of your environment. It has to be a canon. Yes.

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Yeah. It has to be a canon, an idea. And the chiropractic world had a lot of elements in

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Eastern ideas, but it had a hard science to it. Well, a big thing a lot of people forget about

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chiropractic is Didi Palmer was a magnetic healer before he invented chiropractic. He was an energy

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healer. Yes. And nobody wants to talk about that in our profession. Sean told us that.

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Yeah. And it's funny how nobody talks about that, right? Like we're just stuck on this physical

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move bone stuff, but yeah, I mean, he was an energy healer before he started doing that stuff.

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Rich, you beautifully put that, man. Yeah. You beautifully frame that, buddy. Like

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it's the power of the nervous system, man. And the state it puts you in, fight, flight or freeze.

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Okay. Some people will freeze in those moments and they don't do anything in life. They freeze.

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Some people will flight, right? They just rolling a ball and that's it. And then there's the fighters

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and I'm in the, I'm in the fight mode, man. It was just like, I'm going to fight for my wife's life

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here. I'm not going to let this be a reality. And so, yeah, I mean, the box is completely open.

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There is like, just show me, show me. And you said it awesomely because I think the canon was

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honestly the way you put it is it, that has to happen. And it's sad because this happens

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with a lot of people with healing when it comes to healing. They have to hit rock bottom. Something

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really bad has to happen to create that shift of consciousness. But in my story, which you guys

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will see, it's created something beautiful in our lives. Like where I'm at now, the beauty and what

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I have now because of this story, which we'll talk about as we get down that road though,

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that was the beginning right there. I mean, we're talking about the very beginning.

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Yeah. I only want to interject one more thing because one of the stigmas against the

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chiropractic or the pharma or cognitive behavioral, cognitive therapy is when you keep going back and

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it's 12, 15, 20 years down the road and you're still got this support system and you haven't

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broken free of it, that's not healthy either. Right. So the stigma, like you hear, I knew a guy

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when I waited tables, you know, this guy would go in every week and it was like three years later.

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It's like, dude, what are you doing? I mean, isn't there supposed to be a path out of this process

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where you're not in pain anymore? He's basically like a pusher for you. And, you know, religion

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has the same problem, right? You can be free or you can hold onto this idea of walls and boundaries

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and not breaking free. So let's talk, let's continue the journey and help us understand how

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your model is different and where we need to get to a level where those kinds of stigmas don't take

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place anymore. So, you know, from Brimhall's stuff, was doing more energy work. Okay. And then I kind

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of mastered his stuff after about four years and I needed, I was just ready for the next thing.

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And one of his crew introduced me to Dr. Dan Pompa. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Dr. Dan

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Pompa's work. So Dr. Dan Pompa's claim to fame is he does a lot of cellular detox. So Clarissa had

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only gotten so far in her healing with Brimhall and we did, I knew there was something else, right? So

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I knew that detox was a big key for my wife. I knew there was something going on where we needed to

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look into that. And I learned a ton from Dr. Dan Pompa. He didn't just teach me about how to

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effectively get the body detoxed. I mean, I had been using all different kinds of detoxes in my

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practice for years that just didn't have really any effect on anybody. I didn't see any big changes

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in people's health. I wasn't seeing what I wanted to see with these types of programs. At that time

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in the industry, there was all kinds of stuff being thrown around detox, detox, detox, but with

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honestly just really crappy results that would come out of it when you would sell these people

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on these programs, you just didn't really see the results. They were short-lived. So when I met Dan,

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Dan's claim to fame is he got sick himself. He had mercury toxicity from getting dental

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malgums taken out. And he got horrible anxiety, like suicidal, like just whacked out. And so

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he tried all these things and nothing worked. And then finally he figured it out with the way that

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he went around this process. So he developed something called TruCer, their detox. So I went

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to learn that from Dan. Me and my wife both got certified and learned how to do that in our

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practice and we did it ourselves. And that was another layer for Clarissa. But the big piece of

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that process was one of the hidden pieces with my wife was her gut, believe it or not. So just to

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kind of shine some light there, she was completely asymptomatic of gut issues. She didn't get bloating

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after she aged, didn't have constipation or diarrhea, like normal bowel movements, like

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not like completely asymptomatic, but she was suffering from a massive leaky gut. And it wasn't

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until it got more severe during her autoimmune problems that we started to see this. So then

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these food intolerances started setting in with gluten and she wasn't digesting well and she would

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bloat and swell after she ate and she wasn't handling food anymore. And so right along this

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time we met Dan and we started learning how to work on leaky gut and repair the gut and the

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microbiome. And we got into block fasting. He taught us, I mean, when I was with Dan's group,

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we were probably ahead of the US by at least three or four years of doing block fasts and the water

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fasts. We were doing five day water fasts like six years ago, not longer. No bone broth, just pure

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water for five days. Pure water. I've taken my practice members through five day block fasts

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with water. It's beautiful. You get amazing amount of gluten. You get stem cell growth. You get

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autophagy. It's a very powerful detox. And here's the thing, when you effectively want to fast the

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body properly, there's a process there. We ramp you in over a seven week process. But man, a five

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day water fast, if you have not experienced that, it's life changing. It will reset the body in so

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many ways. So we did that. And so again, Clarissa just getting better and better little by little,

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little by little. Right? We're finding- What's the time frame up until this point? How long has it been?

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Let's see. We were about, with Brimhall, it was like two and a half years and four years passed by.

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Right? And so that then, I don't know, six years that she's sick and then we're with Dan. And so

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we're still getting better. Like she's not as bad. A little bit better. Yeah. Not like she can't breathe across the living room.

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Yeah. It wasn't a switch, but like she's healing. Like she's not, you know, cause let me tell you

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where she was. So I told you guys she was getting worse, right? Making progress. So when she was bad

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coming out of the hospital, guys, they stabilized her, but then this is what rolled out. She couldn't

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get out of bed in the morning because she wasn't getting good sleep. So like literally exhausted,

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like no energy, like hard to get out of the bed in the morning and just get about her day. She started

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getting these like welts all under her skin, all over her body and her lymph nodes would swell up on

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and off and her tongue would swell. And then she started getting like Candida issues here. And I mean,

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like you can think of everything that the immune system could whack out on. You know, she'd get

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inflamed. Her joints would swell up like balls. I mean, it was horrible, like brain fog, you know,

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digestive problems, like horrible fatigue. I can't sleep. I mean, just then depression sets in,

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right? Because you feel horrible. So I just watched my wife over this period. She was getting worse.

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Brimhall kind of pulled her out of that a little bit. Okay. And we, she had better energy. We

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started getting her sleeping a little bit better. Her gut was still kind of not great, but like she

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was somewhat functional when we were with Brimhall stuff. She just still wasn't getting better. She

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would flare. You see flares without an immune. And then we went to Pampa stuff. And again, we were

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Pampa with about, for about three years. So like now we're about what? Nine years, like seven, eight,

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nine years down the road when I'm while I'm with Pampa, she's still healing. We're not having any

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issues with like the energy anymore. Her flares are very, very, very, very set apart now versus

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being like every like six to eight weeks. She can sleep better. I mean, she's somewhat getting a

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normal life. So what happened on the backend of Clarissa's autoimmune journey is all of the stuff

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that she had at the beginning, we pretty much wiped out by year 10. It took her 10 years to help her

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to fix this. But by year 10, all this stuff that we pretty much started with and that she had had

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on and off was pretty much gone. So like energy wasn't an issue. Sleep really wasn't an issue.

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She didn't flame anymore. But man, her skin, right around year six in the 10 year journey,

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her skin started doing some funny stuff. So then we started seeing eczema and psoriasis and like

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just mass. Her ears would get all fluid, would start leaking out of her ears. I mean, like folds

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of her skin were just like lesions. I mean, scalp would like horrible flakes of a rake, you know,

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stuff on the face. I mean, really bad skin conditions, but it wasn't the autoimmune.

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So apparently after we saw a lot of immunologists and we looked at this thing, the prednisone that

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they had put her on for the first like six, seven years of her autoimmune massively destroyed her

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immune system. Prednisone long term will make things a hundred times worse. And we didn't know,

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okay. It was just one of those things we didn't know. You know, and she had been on a high dose.

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We immediately had got her to a very, very low, low, low dose of prednisone to where she was almost

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just taking like five milligrams a day. And then she, for like three or four years, she would only

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take it if she had flares to try to calm things down. But unfortunately that journey to stabilize

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her caused a long-term skin problem and immune just whacked her skin out, all kinds of allergies.

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So now we're just dealing with allergies. And so, you know, at the backend of her journey, a lot

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of this stuff's gone that she was having to deal with on a daily basis, but it was just the skin

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stuff. So we, and again, thank God for conventional medicine. We finally were able to help her with

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her skin because her skin got so bad guys about two, three years ago that her whole body looked

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like an open lesion and she lost like probably about two thirds of her hair. And so-

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You're talking about Job, Job, right, Jonathan? Oh man, he's bad.

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This is crazy. This is left field, but you know, there's this passage in the Bible that talks about

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an affliction, right? I mean, it feels like what your wife went through is like a fucking

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demonic or spiritual affliction. I mean, certainly the body's part of it, but it seemed like there

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was just an assault, like nonstop of a different matter. Absolutely. Yeah.

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So I gotta ask, what were you feeling at the time?

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Yeah. I wasn't, yeah. Man, you know, as a guy, just as a guy, it's okay.

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That's a brutal journey, bro. Oh, absolutely. You know, I had my highs and lows.

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You watch your wife suffer like that. And when she was at some of her lowest times, like,

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it takes the life out of you guys. I was still having to get up, go to work, try to

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like support my family, like be there for my child, be there for my wife, like put on the happy,

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smiley face when I know my wife's in bed and can't get out of bed and is suffering. I mean,

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it's hard, you know, but you're able to do. But you know, one of the things I would always share

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with my wife, I said, look, I said, I know I'm not physically going through what you're going through,

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but every piece of me as a human being, every piece of energy and my soul

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feels the pain and the suffering that you're feeling. Like I am going through that with you.

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And I tell her, understand that, like, I'm with you on this journey with that and that I'm not

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immune to that stuff. And, you know, we had our ups and downs and, you know, it's interesting to

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look back at it and we'll talk a little bit about her journey with healing and then we'll wrap it

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all up with even the medicine we had to use. But Clarissa had a big healing journey. You know,

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it's funny how these types of things in your life sometimes will shift you to have to raise

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that consciousness and have to figure out what needs to shift in me for me to get well. And we

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both had these journeys because of her pain, her suffering. I have grown and evolved as a human

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being immensely because of my wife and her journey. And we look back on it now. That sensitivity is

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probably affecting your work. That empathy and sensitivity and just that experience,

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it can only imagine how helpful that's been for you, your journey.

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Well, let's just, we can talk about that. So, you know, when Clarissa, like four years in our

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journey when she was sick and because we figured like we didn't get any answers, right? We started

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noticing that there was a lot of other people that were in the same boat as her. Like they

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weren't getting answers either. So as I'm learning stuff to help my wife, I'm implementing it into

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my practice over this 10 year period. And my practice is evolving and changing like every

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year because I was probably hitting up at least four, four to six seminars a year and conferences

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to go learn from doctors and naturopaths. Just whoever was out there talking about different

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things in my industry that I knew could help heal my wife, I was going out and I was learning it.

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And this, as this was happening, it was slowly evolving and morphing my practice.

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You know, it got to the point where all my practice numbers were like, oh, we can't wait

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till you come back to see what you implement and change in the clinic. Like they like that I'm

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evolving and growing these things. They don't like it. Like they're always waiting for the next thing

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every year because everything that we do always evolves, right? So as we're evolving and healing

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and Clarissa is getting better, the practice is evolving and I'm able to help, I'm helping more

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people. You know, as a doctor of things, I never thought I'd be ever able to help people with.

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I started being able to help people with, I had people coming into me with things that thought,

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oh my God, I can't believe they're coming to me for this, but then I'm able to help them for this.

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You know, and then as a doctor, things that I like, again, I'm in this box of what I'm going to see

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as a chiropractor for my life. And then that box just starts doing this. Once I start, you know,

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broadening that lens a little bit to help my wife and changing my practice, her practice changed.

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So we started getting more patients like my wife. We started having people that had autoimmune

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disorders come in. We had people coming in that were suffering, they can't sleep or they have

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digestive problems or brain fog or, you know, anxiety, depression, or I have immune issues or

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have, you know, that's the type of stuff that started rolling in. And I stopped just getting

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all my back hurts. And, you know, now, you know, full circle, I really, I mean, I don't get a lot

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of the structural stuff anymore. We still get it, but we don't ever talk about pain or focus on pain

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in my clinic because that's not what healing is. So we're in a place now where I went from a pain

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based chiropractor. Dr. Hold on a second. Unpack that because I think that's a very big statement

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you just made. Yeah, I'm going to unpack it. So I don't chase pain in my clinic. And that's one of

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the first things I tell everybody. If you're in, if you are coming into me because you want to have

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a change in your symptoms from how you, before you came into me, before you left, like all symptom

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base, that's the way you're thinking, then this is not the practice for you. It's in my, I have an

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agreement that people sign before they come into my clinic. The understanding of my patient agreement

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is that we are upgrading your human operating system. And there is growth and evolution and

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more bandwidth as we do this and your ability to regulate yourself better. And this will bring

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more opportunities and changes in conscious human performance and your actions and your, absolutely,

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it's human performance, but it's beyond that guys. Like it's changing consciousness in people.

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You're raising bandwidth in their nervous system and in their energy system so that they can

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actually tackle more of life and not have to be in survival mode. Because most of the people that

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come into me, they're in survival mode when they come into me. And my job is to take them back.

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Well, let's talk about 2009. Yeah. 2009, when things started getting really bad,

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what was going on in the economy, right? We were in the pit of the great resistance.

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With the most crisis. Oh yeah.

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Absolutely. There was a lot of stress, a lot of freaking out. When after 9-11 happened,

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there was so much sickness in the New York City area, not just because of the initial physiological

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and the affront of the destruction, but waves of people were sick.

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Emotional distress.

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They were on a fight or flight. Their cortisol levels are through the roof. The adrenal system

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was overdrive. They couldn't heal. They couldn't sleep. And they couldn't do that. And so that,

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I think you're nailing it. I mean, when you've got a broken computer, there could be so many things.

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It could be a virus. It could be the storage. It could be memory. It could be a couple other

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things. And you have to look at it holistically, like you're saying, in order to get to the root

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cause of it. Yep. So yeah, I mean, and we explained that. So when people come in, like, it's very,

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it's very important that I explain to them right off the bat, like, look, I'm hearing what you're

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telling me and what's wrong with you. But the reality is we're going to go and ask your body

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right now what's going on. And your body is going to tell me and you what's going on. Because you

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and me don't know what's going on. And honestly, you only have so much awareness. And the awareness

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of people and their bodies is on a very, very wide spectrum. You have some people that are very

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aware of their body. They're very perceptive based. They can, they have a very innate sense of what's

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going on with their systems. And then you have people that are completely clueless. So if I'm a

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doctor and I'm just listening to somebody talking about all their symptoms and what they think is

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going on, they could lead me all the way out here in my field and this has nothing to do with what's

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going on. So I understood a long time ago with the tools that I was learning to assess the body

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and to get answers from the body that the body can guide you if you know how to talk to it,

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if you know how to ask the right questions, if you know how to challenge it, if you know how to tap

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into it. And so that's what I've developed over my career. You know, over like 17 years of doing

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this type of work, you start to build more intuitiveness. You start to, because you're

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putting your hands on people all day. And when you're tapping into people's energy systems,

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whether it's the nervous system, the electric body, you're in the field and you're in the magnetic

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body, you're going to start to feel things over time because you do it every day. And so you're

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into it. It's your intention. Absolutely. As a doctor, your intention is to heal. And when you're

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feeling that healing going on in people, it's going to affect you. And so you build more

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intuitiveness and you build more of this, you know, the way me and my wife talk about it now,

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because my wife's a yogi and she's a level two reiki practitioner and she works with me in the

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clinic and she's our TCD specialist. She has all the lifestyle medicine counseling. So talk about

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someone who's healed and now she's helping people that used to suffer like her. But we talk about it

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like this. She says, you know, it's interesting watching you work now. She says, it's almost like

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you're picking up the frequency of where the imbalances in the body as you're mapping things.

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She's like, I'm watching you. She's like, cause I always tell her why I feel it. Cause she sees it

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and she's always telling me why I can see it. And I was like, well, I don't see it. I feel it. And

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then sometimes it's like somebody's just talking in my ear throughout the whole visit and just

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tells me where to go. But it's like, you're just tuning in. You're, you're picking up on the, the

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patterns, energetic patterns on these different layers of the body. And when you're doing this

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all day and you're working on these layers, you start to notice what things feel like.

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And so again, just back to, no, go ahead, go ahead guys. I was going to say, if you look at like,

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an acupuncturist, they've got a chart of all the pressure points and they can tell you where this

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foot thing helps like here or X, Y, Z. Those are all things that are supposed to be structured.

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And also, I mean, even though it's Eastern medicine, you're looking at pressure points

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and certain things, certain herbs to do certain things. It's very fixed. It's exactly what I'm

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saying is it seems to me you're going beyond that. You're actually doing something that

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there might be something out because guess what? Everybody who goes to the chiropractor, not

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everybody's going to get healed. And everybody's probably gone and hoping they've been fully

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healed. And it's not that. So where do you, where do you actually tap into what is kind of a consensus?

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And then where do you draw some more intuition? This is the beautiful thing about the brain and

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how your, how a holistic process works for you. Relying on good best practices, like how to drain

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the lymphatic system. There's certain herbs you can take, which are naturally good for that

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versus, well, you know what? We've been through this path. We've got the symptoms that technically

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have this, but we've got something else going on here. Help us understand how you work through

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those kind of that dichotomy, that duality. Well, you know, guys, it's interesting when you don't

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know how to use these tools and you don't use them as a doctor, it's interesting what you think is

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the problem. You know, I look back entirely like, yeah, so when I wasn't doing this type of work

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and the way that we're taught in school to assess the body and go through like range of motion

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checks and like, you know, these types of orthopedic tests, very mechanical, structural matter-based

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tests. Okay. And then we're taught imaging, which is great. Imaging can tell you some stuff.

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We're taught a little bit about blood, but in all honesty, when you're using those, only those types

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of tools, think about this. All you're doing is looking at the effect. This is very important.

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Okay. You're just looking at the effect and the effect could be like a million things.

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I mean, really think about this. The effect could be a million things.

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So when I- What are the effects of like depression? Like you could have 14 different things that can,

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that your body, your emotions, your range could be as a result of depression, but you're still

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getting out, you're missing the root cause. Yeah. I mean, think about it. We're a system of systems,

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right? Every system has to be in rhythm. The hole's in a rhythm, but what's throwing off the rhythm?

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It could be mental, emotional stress, and that could be throwing everything into a whirlwind.

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But if I'm just focusing and throwing supplements at this person and putting them on a diet and

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telling them to exercise and the whole time their brain and their mind is just stuck in mental stress

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and doesn't have the capacity, I may start moving the needle and that person's healing, but it's

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going to be very, very, very slow and they're probably not going to be successful and feeling

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much better because I'm not where I need to be. And then you have some people that maybe that is

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the case. Maybe it is biochemical stress. The mind's fine, but they just trash their body and they

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don't take care of themselves. They eat like crap. They drink too much. They do recreational drugs.

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Maybe I do need to focus and clean this up, right? Or maybe it's just physical. Maybe they have

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trauma from physical accidents that need healing, right? But then we have a breakdown of all these

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systems that need to be supported to allow that healing. But here's the thing. If you're not taught

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to ask the body and the body to show you where a priority is and where you really need to focus

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your energy, then you're just spinning your wheels and you're not doing much for that patient. They're

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not going to heal very quickly and you're really not going to see the results you want to see.

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So what I saw over my journey when my medicine changed and when I start tapping in the way I do

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now is I get to the priority of the root of the system in their body or systems that are struggling

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that need help. And I already know where I need to focus my energy with the tools and the medicine

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I have to help them heal. And it's interesting. I have a body ecosystem hierarchy in my clinic

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on a poster. I got this from Dr. Perry Nicholson, if you guys have ever heard of the lymph mojo guy,

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amazing guy. You guys got to check him out. Stop chasing pain. Learned a lot from him about the

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lymphatic system. He taught me a ton of stuff. I like that idea of not chasing pain. Stop chasing

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pain. That's his website. It's a mindset shift. Well, pain doesn't come from the body guys. It

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comes from the brain. That's just brain neuroscience. That's neuroscience. We understand

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now that the brain tells the body where to experience the pain. It's not coming from the

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body, right? So if you're chasing pain patterns all day, you're going to get nowhere. Yeah.

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So where was I? So we were talking about... So I mean, this is all stuff to help my wife, guys,

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because I had to figure out what was root cause for her, right? So as I'm learning these tools,

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at this point, doctor, at this point, you had not come to a significant conclusion other than it's

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an autoimmune disease. That search is kind of gone. Is that where you're at? Pretty much. We know it's

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just an immune problem, but we're finding little by little, like, oh, digestion is an issue. We need

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to address this. Like this is a root cause. And for our listeners that don't understand immune

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disease, help them understand that it's not like a broken arm where you have a fixed problem. An

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autoimmune can have multiple symptoms, right? So, you know, my journey with autoimmune went from

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seeing it in a box and then now really understanding what it is. And you see it very

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different. But so autoimmune, the way I explain it to people is it's not a disease. It is a,

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basically, a dysregulated immune system. So what it is, the immune system cannot balance itself.

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It can't come back in homeostasis. And you have two types of autoimmune type patients. And then

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there's a large spectrum of problems that can develop from these two types. And some of these

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people, they show autoimmune from birth. They have allergies from the time they're little kids,

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asthma and constant mucus. And they struggle all the way in their early adolescence, early 20s,

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20s, constantly showing an immune picture from the time they're born. And then you have others

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that don't show any of that picture. And then it springs up later in life, like maybe in their

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20s or 30s and slowly starts to show and kind of show its head later. And the funny thing about

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autoimmune, when the immune system starts whacking out, is it will pick different parts of the body

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and different systems and tissues to start affecting and create its dis-ease in the body.

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So in my wife's picture, for example, it was autoimmune hemolytic anemia was the label they

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want to put it because it was affecting her blood. Other people like in Hashimoto's, it's their

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thyroid. And you have people that have like Addison's and Cushing. I mean, the list goes

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on and on guys. There's like hundreds of autoimmune problems because there's tons of labels. But at

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the end of the day, its immune system is not functioning properly. So yeah, I mean, you look

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and we're looking for these root causes and these tools are helping me figure out, okay, root cause,

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we know this is an issue. Her body is telling me this is an issue. Let's focus here. So we focused

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on her gut. And then we started to notice, like I said, her immune system. So we started doing

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immune type based therapies with her to try to get her immune system balanced out. And then the

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brain, we started working with her nervous system more. And I'll get into like some of these things

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in a second of how that was a huge game changer for her. If you ask Clarissa, what was probably

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the biggest thing that helped her just feel better and helped her regulate? It was NIS. It was

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neurological integration system, which is one of the systems that I use. But all these tools

560
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,720
and knowing where to go to use them are not, I mean, a tool is only good as a person using them

561
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:16,640
and know how to use them, right? There's a ton of tools out there. I teach my CAs all the time,

562
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:22,320
guys, this is a tool, but it's only so good as the person holding it. And so that's a doctor,

563
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,640
right? We have all these tools, but if you don't know where you need to use them and where is

564
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,280
priority and route, then your patient is not going to really see that healing like they need to.

565
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:37,280
So I'm in a place now in my medicine that I have the tools to find that root cause. And when I'm

566
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:43,600
able to tap into somebody, we're able to assess two things. We're working on the magnetic body

567
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,320
first in the field, which really tells me a lot of things. It tells me a lot of things that are

568
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,440
going on in the electric body. So neuroscience type stuff. If you look at modern neuroscience,

569
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,440
I can map all that for you in the body based off what is going on in the field, the electromagnetic

570
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,800
field of the body. And so we work on the field. And the interesting thing when you're working in

571
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:10,560
the field is it's purely the thought field. So this is where all of our thoughts, emotions,

572
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,360
the mental aspect of who we are, but this is what's influencing the way that the energy

573
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,800
is moving through the physical body. So think of them like streams. You guys were talking about

574
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:26,000
ancient Chinese medicine, right? So all those streams, you see those meridians, they get like

575
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,320
water flowing energy flowing through these streams, right? And it can't be stagnated. It can't be

576
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:36,320
stopped that Qi, right? A prana has to move, but that is all influenced by the field.

577
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:42,640
So there are answers in the field. I'm talking about your energy field. I'm talking about your

578
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,760
electromagnetic field and energy field. Yeah, your electromagnetic field. So what I tell people all

579
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,360
the time is there are a lot of answers for your health in the field. And this is in the thought

580
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,640
field because a lot of people, you're scrambled. Here's the question, doctor. Here's the question.

581
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:04,240
And I'm going to, I'm going to playing devil's advocate. Actually, it's more of most people

582
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:10,640
don't even know that part exists. No, I know. And I think we're coming into a place in culture and

583
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,600
time where we're beginning to recognize, no, we are an energetic system. We're not just an

584
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,520
ecosystem. You have an aura too, right? People are starting to understand the idea of an aura,

585
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,760
not necessarily chakras, but they have, you get good vibrations, you get good energy, right?

586
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,520
Those are just all kinds of semantics for kind of the same thing, but it's still very superficial.

587
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,520
I think we need a healthy language around it. Yeah, but guys, physics has proved all this stuff.

588
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,440
You know, it's funny, depending on who you talk to, the world is catching up to physics though.

589
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Yeah. Yeah. But it's funny. The physics is there, the science is there, and we know this,

590
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,160
the body's electromagnetic. We've known this for a very long time. The body's an electromagnet.

591
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:57,040
It's just the way we function. And we're finally have tools now that are verifying presence of

592
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:02,000
our electromagnetic field. This actually has been tested. You know, at the conference I went to this

593
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:08,880
past year for NIS, Dr. Alan Phillips actually showed there's these neuroscientists and these,

594
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,680
what are these guys called? They're like some kind of neurobiologists, and they basically built a

595
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:22,240
machine and they hold it about five inches up off the head like this, and it measures the

596
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:29,120
electromagnetics coming off the brain. And so we actually are mapping and finding and able to

597
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,000
measure presence of this field. And that's what I work with all day. I work with the electromagnetics

598
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:40,080
around the brain and the body to bring balance back to the field and then also to the electric

599
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:45,360
body. But this, I mean, like you guys are saying, yeah, when a lot of people see this, like on my

600
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,160
Instagram, right? They watch my videos and they're like, whatever, man. But I love that.

601
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,200
Because it's kind of like, oh, I love it. I love when they-

602
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,400
From a skeptic, from an absolute-

603
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,120
I love skeptics.

604
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Outside of this field. No, of course, Jonathan. Yeah. If you're not coming at this from any kind

605
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,480
of lens-

606
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,560
I'm too progressive, I guess. I don't know. I'm just-

607
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:08,080
Well, you've got to be open-minded. You come to it with a blank slate a lot of times.

608
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,320
No, I come with an awareness of Dr. Hawkins.

609
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:16,800
That's true. Yeah. And dispense that. Dr. Joe, this is Dr. Joe's category too about using the

610
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,840
mind to heal the body.

611
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,240
Absolutely. All stuff I work with all day.

612
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,640
People are beginning to become conscious of their own consciousness. And I think, like you said,

613
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:30,000
the energetic system, the field is what people are like, I think people would rather ignore it.

614
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,160
And it's easier to ignore it in the short term.

615
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,320
I don't know why. There's got to be a point where you get to a level where you can't

616
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,360
ignore it anymore.

617
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,520
I agree. And I think we're in that transition right now. I think people are getting to where

618
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,200
they can't ignore it anymore because they're understanding what we're doing isn't working.

619
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,880
And so they're willing, like we were saying earlier today, to look outside the box because

620
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,640
they're like, you know what, this is a- Yes.

621
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,280
Why not? Everyone's talking about this other stuff. Let's see what's here, right?

622
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:04,560
And you know, I was the same way, guys. You have to understand that. You're looking at a guy that

623
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,960
was like this coming out of school in a box. Yeah.

624
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,160
Yeah. And I had something that pushed me out of that box. Not everybody does.

625
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:22,080
I love that box. Not everybody has that. But I found nothing but opportunity, growth, and evolution

626
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:28,240
as a human being for myself, for my wife, for my family, for my practice, for my community,

627
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:34,000
for my town. And there's thousands of people benefiting it now because I learned something

628
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,760
and I had a pain-to-purpose type journey. So my life has led me from this journey to learning

629
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,360
tools that I've been able- There's things, guys, that I've been able to help people with now that

630
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,200
never in a million years would be able to help them with if I hadn't been on this journey.

631
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,640
Give us one example that kind of blows your mind and like, this is what I get to do.

632
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,440
Oh, buddy, every case that walks through my clinic almost is an example. So I see things,

633
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:07,360
I get people that come into me, for example, they have like 20% energy. They can't, there's this

634
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:14,240
excessively fatigued, they can't sleep, horrible digestion. I mean, for decades. I mean, just the

635
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:20,240
severity of the cases that walk into me and the fact that I can sit in front of that and not be

636
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:26,800
afraid and say, I can help this person. I'm going to get them better. That is the example. You know,

637
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,280
I have people, I have, I'll give you the, let's just go in the last couple of weeks. I had a guy

638
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,640
come in, he had a stroke two years ago, completely went numb in his left hand. Okay. He can't feel his

639
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,320
hand. The first NIS visit during the middle of the visit, his feeling came back in his hand.

640
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,680
Two years, no feeling in his hand. Had another guy's had pain down his leg, couldn't feel his

641
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,680
foot. He has almost dropped foot. After his first NIS, his foot came, the numbness stopped in his

642
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,880
foot, feeling came back in his foot. Stuff that he, I have patients that have been the doctors for

643
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,000
decades, haven't gotten well, they come into me, I'm able to help them get well because of the way

644
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,240
that I'm doing things now. And that's not to say I can't, guys, I can't fix everything. And there

645
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:12,080
are people that I turn away because I tell them, I can't help you because things, just some things

646
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:18,720
are out of my control to help. But just the severity of the case and the things that I'm able

647
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:24,480
to help guide people with and they're healing now, that is, that is, that is the beauty of what it is

648
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,600
now because- Puts you up every day. To be a doctor and being confident that you can help those types

649
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:35,520
of people is awesome because that wasn't me a long time ago. And there are doctors now that like,

650
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,280
they get scared of those types of patients. They'll push them out the door because they know they

651
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:45,760
can't help them. Are those the, so in a traditional racking crack since, are those the chronic

652
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,160
patients that never heal? So these are the ones-

653
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:55,360
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, Jonathan. I'm the guy that everybody goes to after they've

654
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,160
tried everybody else and nothing worked. I'm the last guy.

655
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,960
Isn't that your journey? That's almost ironic. It is ironic, but yeah, I mean, literally I hear

656
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,480
that all the time. They look at me like, doc, I've gone everywhere. You're the last guy. I'm

657
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,840
hoping you can help me. I get that all the time. And you're like, I know exactly how you feel.

658
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,760
Yeah. I was like, that's my process. Oh yeah.

659
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,800
I have a question for you. What would you say to yourself coming out of college?

660
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Like you get to sit with yourself for a beer for a half an hour. What would you tell yourself?

661
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,800
Cause that's, cause here's the thing. My best friend lived your journey. I'm, I like,

662
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:40,080
I'm watching your case and he didn't have the same wife case, but his journey of discovering

663
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,960
chiropractic work changed. And it's interesting to watch him. What would you say to yourself? What

664
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:56,080
would you, you know, I would tell myself to not be afraid of the unknown. That's awesome.

665
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:03,440
That's a good one. Yeah. Because I think when you're in school like that, right. And you're

666
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,360
being taught and being told, this is what it is. You want to, you want to do good, right? You want

667
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,080
to make your grades. You want to become a good doctor, but it's almost like you get forced in

668
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,240
this box of, I'm going to stay in the known of what they're telling me. This is what we know.

669
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:26,160
Right. The reality is we don't know. We don't, we know a little bit, but like I said, that piece,

670
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:31,840
I learned in the school, it's like this big and I don't use any of it. I use very little,

671
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,680
I use the foundation of my anatomy and my physiology, my biochemistry, my radiology,

672
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:43,680
all the basics that I got licensed to be a doctor. Yes, I use those things. But as far as like the

673
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,440
tools I use to assess and treat and like help people with now, I don't really use much of those

674
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,680
anymore. Aside from if I have to give a manual adjustment, I know how to do that. But like

675
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,120
not much of what I learned in school is used on a daily basis anymore, aside from like the understanding

676
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:05,280
of like neuroscience and some physiology. The rest is all energy. It's all energy.

677
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,680
What do you tell people when they come in wanting pain management?

678
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,520
So I don't really get a lot of those, but when I do, I just tell them, I say, like, we don't

679
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,400
chase pain in this clinic. And I tell them, I said, pain, pain, pain, pain.

680
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,920
How do you help them understand the distinction there? Cause I think you're, you can draw them in,

681
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,920
but I'm sure a lot of walk away because it's a scary journey to go beyond.

682
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,240
Yeah. Well, yeah, let's talk about that. So one of the things I explained right away is I talk

683
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:37,680
about the body has vital function demands. So I always educate their education is a big piece in

684
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:42,640
our practice. So I say, look, you have four vital function demands. The very first one is communication.

685
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,320
Then we have resources, response and reactivity. Those things have to happen effortless in your

686
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,960
body all the time. And your master system, your brain and spinal cord is that communication.

687
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,240
It's your broadcasting system. It's that streaming service that has to signal to over 70 trillion

688
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,600
cells all day long. And that can't be interrupted. There can't be any interference to that

689
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,240
communication. Otherwise we can't utilize resources. Your body can't have a proper response and you

690
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,360
can't have reactivity. And then I teach them the different layers of their nervous and their energy

691
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:19,280
systems. And I explain what each one does and how they all work together to give them regulation

692
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,920
on what I call coherence, basically a regulated nervous system. And then I tell them, these are

693
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,680
the things we're going to look at on you. We're going to look at adverse mechanical cord tension

694
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:32,560
and explain what cord tension is in the spinal column and how that's what creates the subluxation

695
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,880
pattern in the passive system, which is the vertebra. Which is why I don't like rack and

696
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:42,720
crack on chiropractic because you're not addressing cord tension. And that's why chiropractic gets a

697
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:48,400
bad name is because chiropractors are going to adjust people without unwinding the spinal cord.

698
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,280
And that's when an adjustment hurts and hurts somebody. The other thing we talk about is the

699
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,560
fascia. My understanding of the fascia is very different than what science wants to say it is,

700
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,880
because when you're in the US, science wants to tell you it's one thing, but you go on the world

701
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,640
level and they think of the fascia very differently. So I believe the fascia is another communication

702
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,720
network and it processes data and moves light energy through the body. That's where the fourth

703
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:18,960
phase of water takes place in our body is through our basically extracellular matrix. So I talk about

704
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,600
and explain the fascia in a very different way. It's 40% of our force control and our tensegrity

705
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,240
aspect of our bodies, but it is another communication system that moves faster than our

706
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,880
nervous system and it processes information. This is a very important system because it touches

707
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:38,640
every other system in the body. And my belief in the fascia network is that chronic disease starts

708
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:45,120
there. Because the moment that- It's not fun though to work in the CMT. I mean, I've had a CMT work on

709
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:51,520
me and that's not as much fun as getting a deep tissue massage. It's a lot more and it takes a

710
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:57,520
lot. It's not passive. You've got to be actually involved, right? Right. So we do a ton of fascia

711
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,880
work. I'm a big fan of John's Barnes work. So we do those long five to seven minute releases.

712
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,760
We do very drawn out fascia release in my clinic. That's another big piece of how we unwind the

713
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:13,600
spinal cord after I do the NIS and some of the other stuff that I do. And then we move in,

714
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:19,440
we talk about the active system, which is our muscles and tendons. They tether to bones. That's

715
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,560
60% of our force control, right? Muscles talk to glands, glands talk to muscles. So I explain to

716
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,800
the patient, look, your internal health is not separate from this structural stuff you're telling

717
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,200
me that hurts that you already have pain. When you lose structural integrity and you can't handle

718
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,560
force in different parts of your body, your brain tells you to experience pain. So that tells you,

719
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:44,400
hey, go and fix this, right? So we talk about the gland and the muscle picture. And I don't say a

720
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,360
gland, you know, we'll give a silent scream through a muscle and we'll see that where we have a loss

721
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,600
of integrity and signaling to your muscles where we have a loss of tone. And then I really spend a

722
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:58,080
lot of times on emotional mental health guys. I tell them, you know, there's a saying in chiropractic,

723
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,080
the spine is the back of the mind. If you're not in alignment in life with your mental emotional

724
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,640
health, you will not be in alignment, you know, in your spine or your nervous system. And that in

725
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,760
cases, all the subsystems that will affect every layer of your nervous system. And then guys,

726
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:17,600
the passive system is the last thing I talk about, which is the vertebra on the discs and the joints.

727
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:23,520
So I say, guys, the passive system is at the mercy of everything else I just discussed.

728
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,600
So if those other parts of your nervous system aren't in balance and healthy and well,

729
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:34,000
then you don't have structural integrity. Bones are just floating all day, joints are just floating.

730
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:41,120
So back to like my whole journey with chiropractic, I believe, and this isn't, I'm not knocking out

731
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,560
of the chiropractors because there are beautiful techniques where you can do manual adjusting and

732
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:50,080
make big changes in the spine. But I believe to get more healing of the individual on the table,

733
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,760
that pushing a bone into place manually is a very, very, very weak way of doing that.

734
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,880
Well, it's a symptom reliever. And I think that's what a lot of people come to doctors looking for

735
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:09,760
is they come for symptom relievers. And because I've actually had that great value out of

736
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,600
racking crack when it first came about. Oh, so have I. That was my chiropractor growing up.

737
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Yeah. Yeah. I was an athlete. That was my journey. Yeah. I loved chiropractic. That's why I became a

738
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,240
chiropractor. But I had a rack and crack him guy, but he kept me going as an athlete. I was functional.

739
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,480
So again, it's great. But when people are really, really sick, it's not enough.

740
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,960
And I'm okay with saying that. But it's the questions that go deeper. Yeah. And those are

741
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:38,160
the emotional issues. Yeah. That are really embedded. Because where does body store emotion,

742
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:43,200
it stores it in the body. It stores it in the body. It's got trauma. Yep. Yep. And that's probably

743
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:51,440
what you see all day long. And that's going back to the video, your muscle testing. And help our

744
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,640
listeners understand muscle testing. Because I think I've known about it for about 15 years now.

745
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:03,120
And I think it's probably one of the most unique things you can ever learn on how to read your own

746
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:09,280
body. So muscle response testing, you know, it's been around for a while. And the basis of what

747
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,080
we're doing is, and I explain this all the time, is we're looking for vulnerability in your nervous

748
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system. So what does that mean? Well, when we find a muscle that has integrity, you have strength

749
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,440
there. There's good tone in that muscle. If we give a small amount of pressure to that muscle,

750
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,960
there's resistance there. But it almost feels like a bungee when you're pushing. I'm not trying to

751
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:35,120
overpower the patient on the table. It's not a strength weakness contest. Okay. What we're actually

752
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:41,680
looking- Because you really only need about two fingers to push down in terms of your doing arm.

753
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,000
You really only need two fingers. And there's a difference there. Some muscles will lose a

754
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,000
little bit of tone. Some will lose a lot. So when you get really sensitive to muscle testing,

755
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,080
you can actually feel the tone difference depending on the circuitry that's blown in the body.

756
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,960
That's one thing. So it's not always a two-finger thing. Sometimes depending on the individual,

757
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,880
if he's a little more muscular, you're going to have to give a little bit more. And it really

758
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,200
depends on the individual on the table. I use surrogates and self-testing a lot in my clinic

759
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,320
because I have found that when you're using the patient a lot, it will distract from the answers.

760
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,280
Sometimes it slows things down because some patients are better at muscle testing than others.

761
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,960
And I don't have time to train everybody on the table. And a lot of my patients just like to kick

762
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,240
back when they come in. They don't want to sit there and be muscle testing me the whole time.

763
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:29,680
We do verify everything on the table with them as far as when something comes up and shows a

764
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,240
signal loss, I'll use verification and test the muscle on the table with the patient. But to scan,

765
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,360
I don't really sit there and sit and muscle test the patient over and over and over and over and

766
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,920
over. You know what I mean? And that's the old school way. Yeah, it is the old school way. I

767
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,640
get a lot of comments on my page where they're like, hey, what are you doing? What's the purpose

768
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:54,000
of the third person? And they're a surrogate. So I've trained all of my CAs are trained to do

769
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,120
pretty much everything that I do except for a chiropractic adjustment where they legally can't

770
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:04,960
do that. But the reality is like I've trained them all how to do muscle response testing. I test them

771
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:12,240
all how energy works. I take them through like a really like a three month deal when I hire them

772
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:17,680
so that they can become very good muscle testers. And what we're testing guys is really just what's

773
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called an action potential. So when the body doesn't have a threshold of energy moving through

774
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the system, there's going to be a loss of action potential in that muscle. And so you can feel that

775
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:33,360
change of tone. And so we're kind of working in this space between. So what I tell people is like,

776
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,680
look, it's not a strength weakness thing. I'm just trying to see like, do you have integrity

777
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,600
when I push a little bit and there's their tone in that muscle and if there's not, it's like the

778
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,640
ultimate lie detector test, honestly, because I've had it happen to me. And it's with the first time

779
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,000
you ever go through it, it's a freaky experience because you realize you can't lie to yourself.

780
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Once you know this trick, you realize there's always a test a lot that you can prove you're

781
01:08:54,000 --> 01:09:01,680
lying to yourself because it's your body has this very wild response to truth versus falsehood.

782
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:06,960
It really does. It wants integrity. And it's interesting because there's some people that

783
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,920
just they can't wrap their head around it. You know, I don't get as many of those through the

784
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,080
doors anymore, but in the past, I would get people they'd come in and like they would just look at me

785
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:19,280
during the assessment, like you're just pushing harder. And I'm like, no, I'm not. Like, and it's

786
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:24,560
just too much. And so I don't focus on those people because I'm here for the people that get it and

787
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,280
understand what I do. And if you don't, then I'm not here to like convince you. Right. It's just,

788
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,600
it's going to, you know, I'm going to, it's going to make sense to only so many people. Right. And

789
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,400
that's just with anything. So, I mean, we're really, it has to be comprehensive. Yeah. It has to be,

790
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:43,920
it has to be a give and take. You could treat the symptoms passively, right? You take the aspirin,

791
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:49,200
you have the minor adjustment. That's a passive kind of process, but it will even in a true hack,

792
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:54,880
you know, crack and what is it called? Rack and crack. That still takes a little bit of

793
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,640
work as you relax to that whole process. But yeah, if you really want to get to that,

794
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,960
you got to do the deep work on both sides, you know, and it has to become an ongoing process.

795
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:09,360
It's not a one point in time. Right. So absolutely. Well, and I wanted to just talk about,

796
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,280
you know, back to the muscle testing and I'll give a little bit about this, because I love the way

797
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:18,800
that this is explained was taught to me by Dr. Phillips. So he says, a muscle test is a sensory

798
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:24,080
motor response. Okay. The brain is sensing and responding and simultaneously with motor control.

799
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So interruption to your nervous system will disrupt the action potential signal,

800
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causing the strength and control the muscle to be depleted. So this is the beauty of this.

801
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,880
A sensory motor response will remain strong when the brain is congruent or recognizing associated

802
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factors causing the stimulus. This is the difference between a strong and a weak test.

803
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:49,120
Now here's the thing. A blood test will determine a leukemia, but it doesn't explain why. An ultrasound

804
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:54,720
will show evidence of a fibroid, but it doesn't show why. Depression symptoms become obvious.

805
01:10:54,720 --> 01:11:00,400
Biochemistry results don't explain why. An x-ray will demonstrate a congenital scoliosis,

806
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:07,680
but it doesn't explain why. Does a muscle test explain why? No, but it does suggest that for

807
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,560
some reason the brain is confused by virtue of a sensory motor indicator response. And this neat,

808
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:17,680
this promotes need to determine why such an acknowledgement has arisen and what evidence

809
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:23,040
has caused the aberration. So when we're doing muscle testing, we're not saying that the test

810
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:30,080
is giving the why. The test is showing us the fault, which is showing us the system and the

811
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,000
area of the systems and the parts of the body that aren't functioning properly together,

812
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:40,560
and why we're having this, this basically dis-ease in the body, this imbalance in the body,

813
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:46,000
this rhythm in the body. So that's the beauty of what we do when we're mapping the body and

814
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,520
using this type of work is, again, we're not finding the why. I'm not saying it's the why,

815
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,520
but it helps us determine acknowledgement that there is an issue here and it correlates with this.

816
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,440
And you can't get that with those other things like I just said. A blood test won't tell you that.

817
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,920
And guys, I look at blood all the time. I do functional medicine. Okay. So I run hormone

818
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,440
panels. I run Dutch panels. I run wellness, full blood functional panels. I mean, we do organic

819
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:18,880
acid tests. I mean, I do imaging. I do all those things, but this stuff has to line up with what

820
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,480
I'm seeing in those things so that I know where to go and where to address somebody's health.

821
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:30,880
So it's really just, you know, it's a blend of using the stuff I've learned with modern medicine,

822
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,560
right? And then I'm using ancient wisdom and ancient healing tools and we're blending them

823
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:44,080
together because I've learned a lot from both, but they both offer healing for the body. And like you

824
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:49,280
guys said, people don't understand that there's another energetic body. You're not just matter.

825
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:54,080
And you have to look into this part of the body to find more answers for your healing.

826
01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:00,960
Hmm. Dr. I'm going to ask you a question and we can always edit this out if you don't feel

827
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:07,280
it's appropriate. What is your take on psychedelics in terms of their capacity to affect healing?

828
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:16,400
So, you know, I'm a big advocate for plant medicine. So whether, so, you know, I did a

829
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,600
podcast with my buddy. We have our podcast, the Dr. Dad's podcast, and we did a really neat episode

830
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:28,720
called Plant Medicines with a guy that basically helps organize. And he's kind of like the in-between

831
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,640
guy that'll send you to retreats all over the world, depending on like what experience or

832
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,640
answers you're looking for. And he'll tell you, well, maybe looking at this type of plant medicine

833
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:42,560
or you can do this over here on this retreat. And this is a good retreat for that. But he pushes a

834
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,960
lot of corporate people to different retreats all over the world. And we got a lot into different

835
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,680
types of plant medicines. We talked about psilocybin. I mean, we talked about ayahuasca.

836
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:57,680
We got into all these different conversations and I've met a lot of individuals that have

837
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:03,040
been on those journeys. My good buddy that I do my podcast with, he's a naturopath. He's done

838
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,680
ayahuasca, I think, at a retreat. And I've met people that have done psilocybin and they've

839
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:13,920
told me their experiences. And I'm a huge fan because I know I understand the neuroscience

840
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,920
of what some of those things are doing. For example, psilocybin and what it does with our brain

841
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,320
and lights our brain up and it makes more connections. And I've heard how people have

842
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:27,600
completely got that were had a horrible addiction problems completely came off of an addiction of

843
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:33,680
over a decade, two days from doing these types of things. I've heard of people, same thing,

844
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:40,000
massive depressive for multiple decades and one experience just not being depressed anymore.

845
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:46,320
So guys, with what I do, you look at those types of medicines? Absolutely. Because wherever

846
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,640
healing is available, there is a process involved with plant medicines. And that's the biggest

847
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:57,280
thing I always tell people is like, they're not for recreation. There is an intention and a process

848
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:04,720
that must be a manifestation of what you want to get out of that medicine. Right? And so there's

849
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:09,120
a journey with each of these things. And if you choose to actually go down those roads, then

850
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,720
you're choosing to take a journey, but there needs to be a massive amount of tension of why you're

851
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:19,840
using that tool in nature because of what it provides for you. Right? And then even after the

852
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:25,600
process, there's an integration that's going to take place. And then there's a still process there

853
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:31,760
of processing and integrating that experience so that you can make a positive change or whatever

854
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:37,920
that growth and involvement you want in your life. Right? And, you know, people, you know, I went to

855
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:43,440
a 3-H-O men's camp years back and we did Kundalini Yoga to achieve this. I didn't have to do plant

856
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:48,400
medicines. Me and my buddy did. We pretty much fasted all day long every day. We were doing like

857
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:54,000
five kriyas a day, about four and a half to five hours of Kundalini Yoga. We'd only eat once a day

858
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,240
and we did this for like five days straight. But by the end of the week, we had so much energy

859
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:03,360
moving through us that we were having like out of body experiences with Kundalini Yoga. It was

860
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:09,280
incredible. And the big reason I'm bringing that up is you don't always need these medicines to

861
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,600
achieve these types of things. There are other tools. There's breath work. There's yoga. There's

862
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,240
other things that'll get you there. Right? But the beauty, again, is there's a process.

863
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:25,360
There is an intention and a willingness to go on a journey with those things to get something out of it.

864
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:32,960
I like that approach because I have a friend we had on our podcast and he's been doing

865
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,440
Ayurvedic meditation for eight years. And I do Transcendental Meditation. Right? So there's that

866
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:42,800
place where you get to when you drop in for like that 15th minute and you just feel something

867
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:49,360
amazing. And it's physiological. You can feel a place. And we call it the unified field. But

868
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,520
he'd been doing this for so long that when he took psilocybin for the first time, he took a five

869
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,080
gram dosage, which is a hero's dose. Right? If you take five grams your first time, that's like,

870
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:03,840
oh shit, you're going all in. And it was iterative for him. He said, not mind blowing, but just really

871
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:09,120
kind of cool. And that's what happens when you're in that space. And even Alan Watts, he took acid

872
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:17,920
one time at LSD 25. And he saw consciousness. He saw oneness with creation. But his analogy was,

873
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:23,760
if you've got the message, if you get a phone call from the divine and you get understanding

874
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,760
of what that's like, you can hang up the phone. Right? You don't need to keep calling. You got

875
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:32,640
that. And that's what's so beautiful, I think, for a lot of people who maybe don't put the time or

876
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:37,440
energy into, because it does take time and energy to develop these kinds of mental breathwork,

877
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:42,800
practices, meditation, and to get into that. And it takes a lot of repetition. And sometimes I think

878
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,120
this world needs to wake up faster, not to the level that Timothy Leary where he says everybody

879
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:51,600
should just, we should. What happens when the Viet Cong put acid in the water supply, right? He

880
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,040
talks about this in the politics of ecstasy. And it's like, fucking just relax, dude. Enjoy the

881
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:04,080
ride. It's like, that's great. But that's not really totally helpful. Right. And so I think that

882
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:10,880
we have to, this is as a doctor, as somebody, you look at all of the environment, you look at

883
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:15,200
the patient themselves, you look at the symptoms and all that's going on. And then you kind of

884
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,680
move in and you realize what could be the best kind of symbiotic way to make this thing better.

885
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:25,760
You know, but I'm glad you're open to that. Yeah. Dr. I want to, we got time for two more questions,

886
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:33,280
Rich, so prep one. I want to ask you a question, Dr. how has it changed you as a person,

887
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:44,320
being a person of healing? You know, I think I have a lot of patients and, you know, I have young

888
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,240
patients that are, you know, teenagers and they're starting to figure out what, what do I want to do?

889
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:53,040
You know, you're early twenties, some people still haven't figured that out. I fortunately knew like

890
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:59,600
in middle school that this is what I wanted to do. But it's interesting the view of what I thought

891
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:06,480
that was going to look like and the role I was going to play as a chiropractor, like how I was

892
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:10,800
going to help those people. I knew I wanted to help people, but I chose chiropractic. But again,

893
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,640
I just thought I was going to be like my chiropractor. I was going to just be high volume,

894
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,800
just, you know, turning them out, man, cracking spines, helping people, getting people well.

895
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:24,640
And my journey with my wife and the way my practice has evolved and grown to the day,

896
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:33,200
to like right now, present day, I wake up feeling so grateful and blessed that I have people that

897
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:39,680
trust in us enough to walk through our doors and trust us in that space that we hold for them

898
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:46,800
to help them. And I feel very honored that I get to even be in that space with them.

899
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:52,560
Because it's a very, very, very, very important role to play for somebody to help guide them

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01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:58,080
when they're suffering. And I have witnessed an immense amount of suffering, not just with my

901
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,120
wife. I mean, I watched my wife, my mom suffer growing up with back problems and stuff, which is

902
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:08,240
probably why I chose to be a chiropractor. But I've watched a lot of suffering in my life. And so

903
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:13,440
to be in that space to have people come in that are suffering, and they're sitting in front of

904
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:20,960
you and they're looking for help, I'm very grateful and blessed and honored to be able to

905
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,560
be that person for them.

906
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:24,640
It's awesome.

907
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,160
That's awesome.

908
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:31,200
So Jonathan's probably going to ask how people can get in touch with you after we're done here.

909
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:41,280
But in your mind, is there a book or a site, and you had a lot of different, you've alluded to Dr.

910
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:47,920
Phillips, Dr. Brimhall and a couple others. Is there a place where if somebody in our audience is

911
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:53,600
starting to get peaked or they're trying to get interested and get themselves into a better place,

912
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,000
is there something, a resource that you'd, other than your site, which we'll talk about after this,

913
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,240
is there a place that you'd recommend people go to where they could kind of dig in and kind of

914
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:07,360
get a path to getting better, some good starting point to help them on this journey?

915
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:12,880
You know, interestingly enough, my default for that is Dr. Joe Dispenza's work. I usually tell

916
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:19,120
people to go watch, I tell people go watch Rewired. So have you guys seen his Rewired series?

917
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,720
So it's easy, right? Like not everybody wants to read a book, not everyone's going to listen to

918
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:30,720
podcasts, but most people will watch the TV if I tell them to go watch the TV. And that series

919
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:37,360
with the first episode will unlock a lot of things in your mind and you will create understanding

920
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:42,880
that will just start to cause a ripple effect of curiosity. And it's funny because I'll give that

921
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:49,040
to a lot of people and it just opens the box. And then people just start to roll forward. It's

922
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,360
beautiful to watch. Oh, it's beautiful to watch. And he's, I mean, he's helping so many people

923
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:58,400
globally, but to have that tool as a doctor to say, Hey, go check out this guy's work right now.

924
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,840
You know, while you're coming into me, but just start diving into this stuff while we're working

925
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,520
with you. And it just, it's, that's very powerful, very powerful.

926
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,800
It's kind of like going to the steam, we go into the sauna or the steam room before they come in

927
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:16,560
and get a massage, right? Kind of get yourself assimilated and open up, open up that consciousness

928
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,600
a little bit to absorb it, right? I love it.

929
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,040
Absolutely. Absolutely.

930
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,520
Should our audience, like there's a couple of people that I can imagine. One is,

931
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:33,680
I want to go directly to you and please help us understand how people can find you. And then

932
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:38,880
what if they, do you do coaching? Cause I know coaching is a, is a modality now that is very

933
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acceptable. Do you do that for people? We do do virtual. It just kind of depends on

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the client and the situation, but people have reached out to us and we do do virtual stuff.

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As far as people wanting to see me in the clinic coming from out of town, we do do virtual stuff.

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We do do that as well. I have, we do have the availability sometimes to schedule maybe three

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days in a row. One of the big things I'll share with people is I do a consult with you before

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healing is a process. It is not an event. So a lot of times with some of these cases,

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we're just trying to jumpstart some things. Maybe you go back home and have a practitioner

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there that can keep you going. Cause I helped you find the root cause of where you need to focus.

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And then I'm sorry, what was your other question, Jonathan?

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Oh, where would they go if, what would you recommend if they don't have the capacity to

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work directly with you? So reach out to me on my Instagram. It's wardy underscore wellness. I get

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a lot of people every day from all over really the world that say, Hey, like can I find a

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practitioner that does what you do near me? I usually will get them hooked up with a directory.

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Sometimes I know a doctor in that area and I'll point them to a doctor that's similar to what I

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do in that area. So I'm, I'm pretty, I'm on there probably at least once a day checking.

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Cause I do all my social media stuff for the clinic. So I'll answer questions. If anybody

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reaches out to me, has any questions, uh, just, yeah, just give me a message.

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Awesome. Dr. It's been an absolute fantastic episode. I, I, and I know a lot about this stuff

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and you've enlightened me in a wonderful way. I really appreciate it. And to all of our listeners,

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this has been, it says, I always love these ones when we're talking about the body because it's,

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there's so much rich detail to the body and how we operate, uh, to all of our listeners,

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please comment, subscribe, and let us know if you have another guest. We've gotten a lot of

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really good recommendations and we will see you next week. And if you're going into the weekend,

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have a great week everybody.