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Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.

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Let's get started, everyone.

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Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and this is my co-host, Rich. Say hello, Rich.

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Howdy, folks. Hope everybody's having a great day and looking forward to a great weekend.

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Looking forward to getting back together one-on-one with my good buddy, Jonathan. Let's go.

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Yes. So today we had kind of an interesting, we had no guests scheduled and Rich and I talked about

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an idea of kind of current topics around the matrix in life and really that is relevant

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to this podcast. So what we wanted to do was have sort of a discussion on a couple videos that we

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found. So here's the first video. I'm not right. I'm not left. I'm not Republican. I'm not Democrat.

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I'm not libertarian. I'm a human being that wants the best for the rest of the human beings. And I

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want some common consents and I want to be left alone. I want to pay low taxes. I want to be able

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to go build things and prosper and get all the things that have been promised to me in the

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constitution of this country. That's what I want. And until people wake up and stop identifying with

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left or right, Republican, Democrat, black, white, gay, straight, all the shit until we figure that

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out and stop doing that, we will continue to be abused by these people who hold the power.

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What'd you think? Yeah, I think what the guy's saying makes sense.

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Well, well, I don't know what he where he really leans. Everybody leans one way. We have, we all

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have lenses right now, perspective perspectives. But I like where he's coming from because he's

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starting to bring clarity to the idea that there are factors, it appears to be that are driving

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divisions, right? There are there are maybe it's beneficial that that we remain divided. We all

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know that when we're in a high cortisol level state that we're suspect of two different levels

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when there's a fear of things happening, right, whether it's immigration in the southern border,

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whether it's a new coronavirus or something affecting mosquitoes or Ebola found in some

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person, you know, a hantavirus. It seems to me that the mainstream media seems to perpetuate this

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stuff, right? And we've got our Fox News that has it on right of center and our others that are left

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of center. So I think what he's done is he's identified the fact that, you know, at the end

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of the day, if we could all look at ourselves in the mirror, we would all want to prosper. We would

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all want to say, Yeah, I don't want to kill anybody. I don't want to cause problems. I might

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debate somebody. But if I could live my own life peacefully and work hard and not have a shit ton

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of money taken out in taxes, I'd want the best if everybody gets that same benefit, then everybody

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wins, right? And so how do we separate, you know, all of the bullshit that's being foisted upon us

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and come to that same agreement on certain things? The biggest challenge to this again is

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you have to live on a farm, you know, that doesn't have any outside access to avoid all of the

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division because you're going to be exposed to it no matter where you go. So how did we come up with

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that solution of what he's talking about? Well, I, you know, the thing that really got me about

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what he said was common sense. That's the first thing that really grabbed well, his opening of

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I'm not left to write because yes, I don't like the idea of being left or right that I need to

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define myself. I have to separate myself from you. I don't like that idea. I like the us first,

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the we like Sean talks about. I think there's a lot of value, but I'm also recognizing that doesn't

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the we doesn't exclude the eye. The eye exists. This avatar exists. And I think both together,

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it's always a both and like going back to David Artman, it's a both and approach love. The kingdom

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is ultimately both and it learns extends to all and grace alone, meeting in the middle. That's

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the, this place is where love exists. And I think that's the thing that I'm throughout this entire

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process of doing this podcast. I've realized we've explored ideas in people's lives that are around

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polarities and it's the polarity that is where all the emotion is. And I, I keep coming back to

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Brittany and that middle point of how do the polls come and meet in the middle and recognize

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the validity of both sides. And I think that's what I, there's a passion in what he said around

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common sense. Like you look at Washington and it's just, this is arguably politically the worst time

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in my life. And I was around for Nixon Reagan getting shot, all the impeachment shit. This is

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the most concerned I've ever been for our country ever. And I think that's the common sense that he's

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talking about that's missing. So that's what's true. And I agree with you. And I think we all

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know that every generation thinks the anti-crisis around the corner and there's plagues and pestilence

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and the shit that's in the fat. I mean, imagine the United States in the early 1900s with the

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Spanish influenza that killed 15 to 20 million people across the globe. That was terrifying,

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right? And in World War I and World War II, but even then what we have now is something that seems

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to be so overarching. It affects everything about us, our psyche, our livelihoods, our future

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generations, our planet. And one of the things that's starting to really scare me is that

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the United States government is not the big philanthropist that we've

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flouted ourselves to be, right? I mean, it doesn't take a lot of, I mean, even

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Barbara F. Kennedy Jr. was on with an MSNBC host and he basically just said, we blew up the Nord Stream

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pipeline. We did it. Duh. Right? And you're seeing with Tucker and we basically admitted that yes,

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the CIA was involved in the assassination of JFK. Like back in the 60s, of course, we were always a

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little confused about it. And even Oliver Stone thought there was something funny with a magic

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bullet. Like how does this bullet go six times through the whole body? So here's the thing.

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Right. The other reason why it's scary is because you're realizing that there is no left to right.

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There's only power. The Mitch McConnell's of the world are not the good guys, right? The right wing,

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the Republicans aren't necessarily the good guys. The Democrats aren't necessarily the bad guys or

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vice versa. We have the Clinton family in the progressive side. I mean, it's like the cabal

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of power. It's wild that politically here's what's, I always look for what's going to be the black

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swan that can change a culture. You know, like me too was a black swan type of idea where things

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change rapidly and quick in an age of social media. In a good way though. Harvey Weinstein

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was taken down for years of predatory behavior. That was a good black swan. But when you've got

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Klaus Schwab saying there's going to be a black swan event and the World Economic Forum is talking

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about a black swan event, that's the wrong kind of black swan event. That's the kind of-

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No, no, no. I agree. I also think that the black swan could come out of nowhere because here's

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the reality. If you really boil the 1% down to anything, they're not part of the majority.

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The power of any culture and society is the capacity to gather together collectively

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enough with love that it can overwhelm the corruption. That's people standing up and saying,

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I am- Something needs to dramatically change to create- Buckminster Fuller said the only way

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to change something wrong is to create something new. I think that's what he's talking about in

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that video is we need something new. I think that something does not look like what we have.

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We can keep our structural system of Congress and senators and presidents. I think that works,

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but we've got to really look at what are the levers that are corrupting that. It is ultimately

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the corporation and its capacity to own the media. That's the nature of social media now,

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is that it's not totally under control of all of that, even though they own it. They just make

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money off it, but what happens in those streams is all- I think we need something new that

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fundamentally changes our way of life in a positive way. I think that's the arc of this whole

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last four years of greed is good capitalism is, is it reaching a point where the cat's out of the

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bag? Kennedy was shot by our government. Those are the kinds of things that when the cat comes out

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of the bag and then UFOs show up, is anybody shocked anymore by our own corruption? Because

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I think we can see that the system is corrupted on both sides, Trump and Biden. They're both part of

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the corruption and the system that is controlled by money. One of the things I was going to say

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is about the love thing. One of the things that I'm hoping that takes place is that there is this

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divine movement that tries to actually effectively change our consciousness. I think the

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call it God, Jesus, the universe in its way of trying to craft and help us. Something transcend

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that needs to happen because we're not going to wake up and have that sense of love. The thing

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that I'm recounting is the people that when they have their first child, they see something new,

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as Buckminster Fuller said, they've got something new and they've got something to fight for and

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they've got a purpose and they start to know even through a tough like childbirth and all this stuff,

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they start to learn what love could really be in a real tangible way. They didn't have that sense.

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They maybe love their wife, but now they've got something new. I'm going to give you an

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interesting example because we talked about DEI before, which tends to divide people. You got,

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oh my God, these people are trying to do reparations and they're bringing in people.

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We're going to get killed because we've got a pilot who was quick routed through the system

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and the person doesn't know how to fly a plane, but they did it for DEI's sake and somebody's

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going to die. That's on this side and then on this side, it's like, no, going back to the old

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discriminatory days of where white patriarchy. Now, what was interesting is I was talking to

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a gal today who was a professor at ASU and she's also a coach there and she was saying that somebody

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in this diversity class that she was in was like, well, you're privileged, so how can you come?

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She goes, honey, you don't know anything about me. I was the poorest person on, I wore my brother's

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jeans. Here's a gal who's in academia who wasn't given a silver spoon. One of the things I thought

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of was how do we come up with creative ways to bring people together that actually educates and

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creates empathy or at least the other? Me and my wife were celebrating with that bonus that

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she got and we were at a cafe in Ojai called Tres Hermanas and I thought, hey,

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is this called Tres Hermanas because it's based on the three sisters running the place? She goes,

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no, it's about three agricultural things for the indigenous people, how squash and beans and corn

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all grow together almost in a divine symbiotic way that helps sustain a culture. I'm like, damn,

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that's so cool. That's the three sisters. I'm thinking that's something new that I liked. It

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creates a sense of curiosity. I learned something new and an other that brings together and it

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brought me that. How do we create a paradigm where outside of having a new relationship or having

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some kind of extant thing bringing you into a situation where you're almost

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brought into the kind of love, how do you foster ideas that begin with curiosity and shared common

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interests so that we do get to that point? Because we could be beating our heads all day long if we

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don't have a good formula. Well, I think I would go back to Paulo Ferrer here. So Paulo Ferrer,

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he wrote, and for our listeners who don't know because it's esoteric work, but it's brilliant.

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He studied how people come out of oppression. I think he was the Chilean minister of finance

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or something like that. I can't remember. I think he was Brazilian. But the point is that in order

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for change to happen, the oppressor will never voluntarily give up its power ever. That's just

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not the way the oppressor will work because they believe that if they let go of that oppression,

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the masses are going to kill them. So they'll never let it go because they rule by fist and power.

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And what he said is the only way to get the majority to see their oppression

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is to establish their dignity. You have to teach people of their own dignity and value so they will

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learn that they are valuable enough to fight for. Ontologically. Yeah. So you have to have a

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meaningful reason to participate in your own restoration or removal from oppression. And I

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think that's what's missing is first the story of the collective here because what is happening

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is the polarities. You're either left or right, black or white, gay or straight. And what does

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that look like at Brittany's center point in the middle between all of those polarities? What's

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the center? That's love. And I think what's missing is, hey, you and I are neighbors. You want to

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agree not to harm each other? Like simple agreements like that to say, listen, let's just

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agree to trust each other. And how big does that trust circle exist? Like what if we could establish

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simple ways of establishing trust between people so you know that it's there and that's the fabric

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digitally, you could do that. And the, and so it's from there, all of these creative ideas can happen

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because people learn to trust each other. That's, that's my point is I think we are at a state where

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we need a structure of trust because that's what our parents had. Our parents had, remember when

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we were kids, you didn't worry about your neighbors. You know, it's like a lot of people

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love your bikes in the driveway. You left the bikes in the driveway, right? All kinds of stuff.

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Assume the best of your neighbor, not the worst. They weren't, you know, yeah, we had racism.

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Okay. That's the one we had in spades, but the polarity was dominated by the white party.

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So it wasn't even like they were in control. Going back to Paula Ferrari, the question is,

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how do we rise up and awareness of our dignity so that we will fight for ourselves? I think

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that's the first question we have to answer is like, look at the founding fathers of this country.

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What made them say, Hey, screw you Europe, you know, England, we're going to, this is our land

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now and to fight for that because there was a lot of oppression. Obviously there was a, it felt like

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they didn't have oppression. I'll give you a question. Okay. I was in San Jose yesterday

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and I picked up the mercury news and homelessness in San Jose has doubled in the last two years.

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Okay. Doubled. I'm sorry. Not in San Jose in the Bay area. So the whole thing is in the horseshoe.

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And it's in the horseshoe. It's doubled because of the cost of living. Like a house in San Jose,

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a three, two is 1.5 million. Think about that. The logic of that, you know,

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a lot for $87,000, you know, 25 years ago or 30 years ago, right?

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Well, yeah, 30 years. So when, uh, yeah, I bought my dad's condo for, uh,

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or I sold my dad's condo for $140,000 back then it's now worth 1.4 million.

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So we were talking about that. Uh, it's like life is out of balance right now. That's the problem.

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Life is out of nobody. I don't want to take anybody's billions away. I don't want to do that.

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I want a better way. So we don't need people to be billionaires. That's my wonder of how we create

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that. How do we create a world that doesn't need billionaires? Like let's use AI for that.

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Well, you've got, um, you've got an absolutely excellent case where, you know, you can talk about

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politics, but you can, let's talk, let's talk about our gen Z's, our millennials. These poor kids

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are working their asses off their, their, their degree with their saddled with debt. They don't,

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I mean, you watch these poor girls get on tick-tock and talk about, I've got a job, but I can't even

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go out this week and I could barely even feed myself. Right. And it takes away hope. And, and

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that, that, this is a huge thing. There's tens of thousands, if not millions of people out there

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that are in this particular position. And if you don't have family that you can hook up with and,

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and create new paradigms, I mean, my, my sister's going to move to North East of Spokane with her

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old husband. They're going to get back together and develop 20 acres out there in Northeast

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Washington state, like a hundred miles away from Canada and, you know, 30 minutes away, 40 minutes

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away from Idaho. Maybe that's what it looks like. And maybe that's where community comes from to try

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to get back to grassroots. And maybe that's for farming and getting back to the basics happen,

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but because how else could you insert something that's going to change that? You know, I mean,

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Trump's going to try to drain the swamp and, and, and get things back to where they were prior to

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Biden coming into the office, right. Which people were relatively happy. The, we had energy

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independence homelessness was bad, but it wasn't as bad. I mean, it's literally, it's just, it's

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bad, but it wasn't as bad. I mean, it's literally gotten so bad. And it's possible partially because

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of inflation, but we've got a border where you've got millions of people. Now people are starting

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to get killed. And finally, people are having vigils about it. And people are getting raped

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and killed every freaking day all across this country, but people who don't give a fuck.

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And that's, I don't know how you start to make an impact on that without some kind of external

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presence saying, Hey guys, it's all going to be okay. And we're going to fix this. And even Trump,

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God bless him, can't come in and make it all go away. I mean, what, what, what, what, what can he

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do in that regard? I mean, I, I tend to, I mean, dude, Biden literally said on a press conference

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today in floor and he's in Texas and Brownsville, he's in the, he's in the non painful part. So he's

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got these optics of, Hey, everything's fine. Yeah. We only had 12 immigrants come across over the

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last few days. Whereas Trump is in Eagle pass where thousands of them come across all the time. But

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he literally just said, you, all these houses are getting burnt up except for the ones with the

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right roofs. Now you know where that comes from. There's a conspiracy in Maui where all of these

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and in Chile, if yours are blue, like Oprah's like Zuckerberg's like all these other people,

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then you don't get torched by the D E W or whatever it is. So he literally lets that escape

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because his mind isn't there. And you know, so what the heck do you do when you see somebody say

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that they're right in front of you on and fucking in front of television? I mean, I just saw it blow

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up all over Twitter because the summer says it was this edited. No, he literally just said that. What

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the hell does that mean? And that's where I think that adds to the confusion because you've got a

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presidential address, you know, and you think you should be able to rely on that, you know? So

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anyway, did you see Mitch McConnell's breakdown? Oh, I've seen him catatonic. I mean, he's

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literally looking. He was lost. Oh God, it was a dementia type moment. I don't know if it was

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dementia, but it was like he just had, he had nothing in that moment. You can see it. If not

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catatonic. Yeah. He was standing. He didn't collapse that bunch of broccoli, but yeah, he,

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he's done. He stepped down, right? But I don't know if you know this, his sister,

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he's not stepping down until September. Oh God. As a leader, he wants to go through all the election

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cycles. Oh God, please. No. Um, but, uh, I mean, his sister-in-law was just killed.

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Oh, really? Uh, supposedly it was a car crash where her car landed into a river and it was

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like an accident. And they're like, no, I don't think that was an accident. There's something

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going on, dude. That that's where start. That's where that's where that's where we're living in

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the matrix where this conspiracy shit comes in. And all right, let's go to number two. We got to

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move on. I know. Yeah. No, this was a good conversation. I like this because it was, it was,

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you know, we both got to share some thoughts about it. So I like it. All right. Uh, which one did

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you want to do next? Um, you pick one. We could do, well, um, we could do the ice bath one. Let's

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do that. Let's do the fun one. Yeah. It's more practical. We can talk about some science behind

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it too. You know? Okay.

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So what'd you think? That, that was creative. I have to give that guy like supreme props for

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creativity. I thought that was, I was brilliant. What'd you think? A lot of different ways to say

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that that happened in an ice baths bad for your pecker and your, and your gonads. Um, so here's

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the thing. Let's talk about where this, the origin of these ice baths started. And then we can talk

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about how it recently got more popular. So there's a guy named Wim Hof, who is this guy from the

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Netherlands. He's a Dutchman and he's always exposed to this cold stuff because it's freezing

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out there. And what he started doing was these combinations of ice plunges and just cold exposure,

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as well as, um, deep breath work to help, you know, get your body and mind in this amazing state.

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And, you know, over the course of time, you can watch him just become more and more flexible and,

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and, and have this energy and almost this craziness. And then as you start to pile up the

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YouTube videos, you watch people who have been bedridden with some types of inflexibility,

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some kinds of disease, other types of problems where after they started doing these cold plunges,

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they start getting better physiologically, more flexibility, less inflammation, more of a will to

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life, et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, that was like years ago. I mean, he's been doing this

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for years, but more recently, um, with the adapt, you know, the introduction of, I mean, athletes

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have always had ice baths right when they're done with their stuff. So traditionally, if you're in

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a sports room, like if all these guys at the NFL, they're going to have a really rough day out there

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and they're going to come off the field and they're going to hop in that ice bath, which

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helps that kind of, um, beat up body, right? Their bodies get beat up all the time and it helps,

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um, kind of restore that. Now, the whole idea of the, uh, believe it or not though, with the cold

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plunges, like, no, you want to do it first thing in the morning because that's what activates all

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of the good properties. And we've seen things like with Dr. Brekha talk about three or four things

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that happen when this happens physiologically. Number one is it, um, introduces cold shock

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proteins to the body. The liver sees that immediate danger and introduces these proteins, which help,

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you know, get your dopamine mitochondria and other levels that, which also mitochondria spins up in,

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in, in, in firing up the powerhouse of the cell through, um, the brown fella, brown fat activation.

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So brown fat gets activated as well. On top of all that, he was saying that, you know, if you look at

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it physiologically doing like five minutes of an ice bath is the equivalent of doing like hours of

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high intensity workout in terms of actually shredding fats and in terms of doing things like putting

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your body into a state immediately of having done exercise. And then other people like even look at

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it like, Hey, if you do this in the morning, it's the hardest thing you're going to have to do all

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day. It's going to help you get through the day. So there's so many levels of that. Right. But now

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you're starting to see the repercussions and the, and the, and the pushback. And some of these people

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like, you do know that your body thinks it's dying, right? When you jump into a frozen lake, or if you

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were like ice fishing and you fall in, your body is going to go into full blown fight. When let's

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talk about the cortisol spiking, the adrenaline, all that type of thing that goes to your body.

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Why would you want to do that to yourself? Right. For a, for a 20 minute dopamine rush or an hour

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long dopamine rush that you get as you come out of that whole process. So I think really what it

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comes down to is another one of these kinds of scenarios where we're in a world where we're

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exposed to all these kinds of things. Oh, you, you, you having a rough life. It's your gut biome.

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Here's 80 million different products that you can produce this tablet, this pill, this probiotic,

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this kind of diet to help with your gut biome. And then you realize that some of this is absolute

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bullshit. You don't even know what's happening. So just to answer your question in short, because I

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do ice baths, right? I was in one yesterday and it was 36 degrees. And I will tell you, it was

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fucking amazing. I was coming off of, you know, a little bit of a bender and I just hopped in there

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and dude, it was magnificent. I, I, I didn't even breathe. Like once you've done it, you get it.

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You've got the muscle memory and you know, you can do it. So it's just a matter of doing it.

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but 36 is a big difference between 36. Yeah. It's a big difference between 36 and 48.

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You know, yes. Well, you got to that's new level of memory. It is you're reaching a new level.

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Cause here's the thing is I think the pros of ice bath infinitely outweigh the cons because to the

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first point, the, you're putting your body into a state where it thinks it's dying is the biohack.

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You're using that state to your advantage by teaching yourself to do hard things. And

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the, the hardest part about life is that we don't know what we can do until we're in the moment.

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We're required to do it. And in that moment, sometimes we can't do it. So we reach a limit

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and ice baths are a mental process of challenging yourself and saying, okay,

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can I get in the fucking water at when it's 36 degrees, you know, and, uh,

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you're teaching yourself resilience through that process to discover you can,

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because you haven't died yet. The, in other words, the potential for death is so ridiculously small

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and the value benefits physiologically, mentally, and to the next point is when you start valuing

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yourself and seeing what you can do, that inspires confidence and courage, and you can start doing

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new things because you learn, oh, most of my limitations are things that I've created for

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myself where I said, I can't. Well, the value of being our age is we can call bullshit on ourselves

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and say, oh, well, wait a minute. I learned when I was six, I couldn't, but maybe when I'm 56,

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I can. And that's, that's the value it's, and it takes eight minutes a day. And the value of it

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and the value of it is like we drink coffee and the value of coffee lasts 15 minutes. That's all

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it lasts on your body because it simulates the same idea of a cold of the cold shock protein.

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The value of the cold of the ice bath last two to three hours. So there's, there's infinite value

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to this process. I think it's, and I think, you know, back to the video quickly, it's creative

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that it got to that level of culture that they're now doing satire on it. Cause it's really funny.

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I thought it's, it's integrated itself into society as a norm now. That's true. That's a good point.

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And to add to that is that, well, what I was going to say is in terms of the benefit,

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I think people who really do it consistently, it, it's the same kind of thing as having a good diet

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and keeping that intermittent fast. It's the same thing as meditating. And it's the same thing as,

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you know, as the ice plunge and the exercise when you maintain these regimens and you do them again

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and again and again, it builds that process in you. Right. And like success begets success. Right.

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And so I think when you overcome these things, it probably could even help with addiction. It

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could help with relationships, et cetera. One of the things that our other guests, Nate Taylor said

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from key span is, you know, when you've got a community that gets together. And so he's

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trying to build this health care community with health span and a community of not only people

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with good ideas for diet, fasting, you know, um, blood, blood work and taking some supplements,

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but they also get together and they do cold plunges. Right. And when you have that shared

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community of a potential situation that is very challenging, right. When I went my five days, we

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were seven of us in this fast brutal. There was parts of it where we're like dying, right. We're

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sick of the freaking lame soup or we're sick of, you know, this little cracker or this weird

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propylene glycol on water. We're drinking to do stuff, but at the same time, at the same time,

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when you can build a community that kind of shares and kind of almost a shared misery,

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but a shared challenge that you overcome, kind of like you see running groups. Um, I mean, I watched,

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we were walking downtown Ventura and they were, um, me and Hunter were walking downtown and we

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saw this, um, we, we, we did a four mile walk ourselves, but they were just finishing up a

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marathon. And what was amazing about this marathon wasn't just the fact that people were running a

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marathon. These people were all coming in now. It was like five and a half hours. So they were,

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they were the, they were, they were, they were the laggards, right. You want to do a marathon

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to qualify for Boston. It's three something three 15, three 30. I did my, my only marathon at four

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25 and I only trained four months or two months for it. So I didn't do that good, but these cats,

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these cats were coming in at six minutes, six hours, and yet the family was still coming around

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them. So what this was doing was all these people were gathered by family. And to think that this

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person who dedicated, you know, six months of training and beat up their body for 26 miles,

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which less than 2% of the population's ever done that brought community together too. Right. And

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so this is a support network and people talk about when they go through these things, I wouldn't

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have been able to do it without my wife who took care of the, you know, kids when I had to do my

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long runs. And so maybe as we're talking right now, Jonathan, we're talking about ways to actually

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overcome the problems we just talked about in our first discussion. How do you build a sense of

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community love purpose and shared, um, joys and shared tribulation that you overcome that? I mean,

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anybody you black, white, gay, Hispanic, Republican, uh, transgender, anybody can enjoy

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the benefits of an ice bath or a marathon and overcoming something that's challenging. And

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maybe that's, or enjoying a good meal. Whoa. The flavors of that were incredible. Yeah. I never

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had plantains in my life with this kind of, you know, Jamaican stuff, right. Or whatever.

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So let me speak to that real quick. Let me speak to that real quick. Cause you just brought up a

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really good point is I don't think people can get to the capacity to enjoy things together.

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Cause that's the value of the meal. Like my family was all about the meal, but you can't get to the

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point of the meal until there's trust. And I usually don't trust you because you potentially

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could hurt me. And that's sort of the general malaise keeping people apart. We've got to find

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a way to help people get back to the center rather than being so polarized. It's the polarity that's

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keeping us from the dialogue that happens in the middle. And I think that's the, uh,

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that's the problem that we've got to solve. Um, and I like the way he career, you know, here's

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you and I got on really extensive biohacking over the last year and a half. And what has been your

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overall experience of it? Um, so a few things I would say that, um, consistent versus

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consistency is more important than high intensity. So working out moderately three to four times a

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week is better than working out once really intensely. Right. I think having, having the

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consistency is key. Learning things about, um, limiting caloric intake and having those 12, 14

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hour windows of not eating, which helps slough off dead cells. Right. We've learned physiologically

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that when the body is deprived of, of a source of nutrition and calories, it goes into a state of

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looking at the cells in the body and becoming very efficient at, at getting rid of the ones that are

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actually bringing us down. Right. So I would say like that was, it was a huge aspect. Um, and the

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third thing is, you know, um, and when we go through key span, they talk about getting sun,

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like there's a daily journal, right? Did you get enough sleep? Did you get 20 minutes of sun?

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Did you get in your exercise? Um, you know, what, what's your attitude like? And, you know, um,

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did you get your meditation in? Right. So these are things that are very holistic. And when you

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can actually bring them all together, this is where I think, and this is where I think people

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are legit. It's, it's kind of common sense, but at the same time, um, it's still hard for people

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to overcome. I, we follow, you've heard of carnivore Aurelius. He's been on Joe Rogan and, um,

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he's, he's the carnivore diet guy, right? I mean, he's talking about grounding. Oh, we talk about

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grounding too, right? Um, grounding and these things are like so basic and it's almost as if

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we just go back in time to the early days when we were out there, you know, changing this, the, the,

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the, the face of the United States, right? We were hunting, right? We were chopping wood. You're

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making things with your own hands. Even people talk about when you're making and cutting your

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own vegetables. These are all part of that symbiotic relationship. And if we go back to the basics

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instead of process things and, and fake artificial blue light from Dr. Cruz, I think we could actually

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overcome a variety of ills, the ills that we talk about of depression, anxiety. Now we know bipolar,

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that's almost impossible to, um, to alleviate outside of medication. There's just something

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so broken there, right? That if people get off their meds, they just, it's really bad, but

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are there parts of anxiety and depression that if you did spend your time having a good diet,

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good quality community time with people who love and share interests, diet, exercise, you know, sun,

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these things and meditation, could we alleviate a lot of this stuff? And is this another reason why

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we are somewhat, um, us versus them in terms of big pharma and you look at the kinds of things,

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every, every single time somebody starts bagging on some other thing, they come up with something

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new, like go Zempik, right? So that's what I've learned this, uh, over the season.

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I, you know, what's interesting is I, um, I've done, uh, ground, I got a grounding sheet.

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Right. I extensively feel like I'm sleeping better consistently.

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I like that.

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Your wife was okay with it? I bought mine and my wife says, no, I'm not, I'm not.

373
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,360
No, she was totally, we put it under a normal sheet. So it's the sheet.

374
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Oh, you do put it under. Okay.

375
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,040
Yeah. We put it under the sheet, but that still works.

376
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,760
It still works. Okay. I was told that it likes it. If you like it, you should have contact with it.

377
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So if you're telling me it has effectiveness underneath the sheet, then that might be a good fit.

378
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That's for me. Um, I've done fasting. Fasting to me has been the most beneficial thing I've probably

379
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ever done for my health. I simply reduced the quantity of food and I have, I basically lost

380
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30 pounds of basic fat. And that was profound. And I've kept it off. Um, I eat two times a day

381
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and on weekends I have dessert. Um, and I may have more than that, but typically on the weekends,

382
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I'm pretty good during the week and I've been able to maintain my weight.

383
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Um, so that's been hands down the most beneficial. Um, I was, uh, doing sun gazing every morning for

384
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five minutes with my eyes closed, but it worked wonderfully. And I've noticed I've been out of

385
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that habit and I feel like my body misses it. It's weird. It's like my body keeps like, dude,

386
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go outside for five minutes, you know? And it's, it's a wild process that happened to me of just

387
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my body started craving sunlight. It was wonderful. Um, and I think, I saw one day and I'm like,

388
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I gotta go get that. And like Dr. Cruz, I've seen a Twitter picture of him. You've got this line of

389
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sunlight, even through, even though it's through a window and all the, and all the mammals, you got

390
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three dogs and two cats lined up only in the sun. Right. And they're like, they get it. Right.

391
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I know. So I, dog just kick it in the sun for like hours. Like two dogs in life, man. Look at this

392
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dog to lay on his back and his stomach to the sun. Totally. Hey, he's, he's tanning the perineum.

393
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,120
Don't forget that's supposed to be important to in the ball, right? Cause you got them.

394
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:13,360
Uh, so I bought a cold bath and I have not used it yet. Part of that is because it's like 110

395
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degrees here in the summer. So it's hard to do anything in the summer and in the cold,

396
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,360
it's hard to start in the cold. I've, I've bailed on that one. I have not been successful.

397
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,920
Um, I haven't bailed on it. I just haven't gotten to it. I'm still going to get to it because I

398
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haven't, um, I, uh, dramatically reduced my alcohol intake. I think that was another thing that I've,

399
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this year, I kind of said, I'm comfortable with two drinks on the weekend. I don't need to, I'm,

400
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:44,160
I'm totally comfortable with it. That was actually pretty easy. Uh, the thing that changed,

401
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:52,960
and I think the thing that I think had the most impact was really the idea of switching my brain

402
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:59,680
from this won't work to this will work. And that's the idea of manifesting. I think that's really

403
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,960
the core of manifesting is this idea of switching your brain from the negative to the positive

404
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potential. Because when your brain is operating on the positive potential, you're always believing

405
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in yourself and believing that it can happen. And you're looking for the signs of serendipity

406
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because we need serendipity along the way. We need the breadcrumbs. If you're not looking for

407
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the breadcrumbs, you're not going to see them. And you're not going to have the motivation,

408
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:30,240
the recurrence to keep going when it gets really hard, unless you've developed a maturity to keep

409
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going. Cause if you don't have resilience developed, like I'm trying to teach my kids right now,

410
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how to develop resilience. And it's hard because it requires suffering to learn. It's the hardest

411
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thing. And we want to go, Oh shit, that sucks. But it's staying in that. That's where we learn

412
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what we're capable of to be able to handle it. And then we can let the negative energy hit us,

413
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,400
but not deeply affect us. Cause that's all we have to do is let go of the negative energy.

414
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And I think that's that shift in my brain from I'm instead of assuming this won't work in my life,

415
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I'm going to assume it will. And I think it has dramatically impacted me that shift in my brain.

416
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,960
What about microdosing?

417
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,200
Oh yeah, that's another one. That has had a profound effect on me. But I don't,

418
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:32,800
I have yet to have a really, I don't want to say that. That's not true. It has made me a much freer

419
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,800
person with the world around. I wasn't on anything last night, but when I was in,

420
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last night I was at Oracle or at the Chase Center in San Francisco to see Gonzaga play San Francisco.

421
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And I had this, this is a moment of elevation of like, what would it feel like? Like that shifting

422
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of brain. I sat there and every single person around me was laughing and smiling at the exact

423
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same time. Wow. And it was weird. I mean, like I'm not talking about like five or 10 people.

424
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I'm talking about hundreds of people because Gonzaga was playing out of their mind. And I

425
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,320
was out of their mind and everybody was into it. And I just looked around.

426
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Are they making a run? Are they making a run for March Madness?

427
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,480
They're trying. They're not, this is probably the weakest team they've had in 20 years.

428
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,600
Okay. They're young. They're young. They don't have a core player defined yet that is elevated.

429
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:39,360
They don't have that player this year. Anyways, as I'm seeing that and I had this flash, it was like,

430
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is it possible for a humanity to go through a me too movement that shifts them in a way that we

431
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stop that polarity and start loving our neighbor? It's that simple. Just to that

432
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in degree of just loving the person next to you. And it felt in that moment, I had this very deep

433
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sense of experiential feeling of this is what unity feels like. It was one of the more wild

434
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,040
experiences I've ever had in my life. And it only lasted for about four seconds, but it was this

435
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:21,040
vision of unity where humanity can elevate to a point where it stops fighting so much.

436
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,200
Cause that's the polarities and says, Oh, guess what? The more valuable place to be in is here

437
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:34,400
in the center. You know, that's what our parents generation was trying to get to after we were

438
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,080
war two is to this place where we were on the same page. We're all going to get out of this war,

439
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:47,040
roll up our boots and our sleeves. We're all going to work hard. You didn't see, you didn't see the

440
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:55,680
kind of welfare state everybody was just gunning for getting better. And even African American

441
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,720
community, there's a lot of, especially the married ones with kids tended to do much better.

442
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:04,560
And then something happened. I don't know if it was after Lyndon Johnson or not, but things

443
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changed from out of people and our bodies too. So I mean, if you look back in the forties and fifties

444
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about in the thirties and forties and fifties about how people looked in their suits, everybody

445
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:20,240
was thin, live, right? All this stuff was going on. So that actually, so to that point, one of the

446
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things that I've recognized is in my youth, racism was extensive, like extensive. And although we've

447
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:38,080
dealt with it, I don't feel like we've had a moment. That's the one issue that I think would go the

448
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:46,560
farthest is this idea of what if we could have a moment of reconciliation collectively between

449
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blacks and whites or whites and people of color, I think is because whites are this group that is

450
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,320
their backs are against the wall and there's gotta be that moment of peace because that's how Paula

451
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Ferrer talked about it is that the, when the oppressed rise up and discover their value,

452
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they don't gain their value back by killing the oppressor, gain it back by lifting the oppressor

453
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up and forgiving them and saying, okay, let's move together collectively forward.

454
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And realistically, can there be this moment where we can extensively deal with this collective

455
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problem of racism in our history and say visually to the people is this is a moment of reconciliation

456
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and whites saying, yeah, that is our lineage. Let's move forward. Can we find forgiveness

457
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and reconciliation? That's what I think. And the reason why I brought that up is I'm in the

458
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process right now of looking at developing a documentary with that idea, because I think that

459
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is one of the biggest potentials for radical change in our communities is the side.

460
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Oh, the PRC as well. You're going to tie into Mandela and the Trade through Reconciliation

461
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,720
Commission in South Africa as well. Very similar kinds of constructs, right?

462
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,680
I guess the question is how do you perpetuate it? Because it seems to me that even though

463
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they made great strides- It's a really important point, but let me speak to it.

464
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:30,000
I thought about that. The perpetuation problem is the second problem to solve. The first is we need

465
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a landmark moment like a declaration of independence or some landmark movement, like a million man march

466
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thing that says collectively we are starting this process. And I think that's the first thing that

467
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needs to happen. But that is an important question to answer. How do you sustain that movement?

468
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,360
Because there'll be backlash. But they're really-

469
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It's falling apart in South Africa today. Yeah. Today is the day.

470
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It's like, remember when- Do you remember when Obama got elected?

471
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Unfortunately, yes. I know you're not a fan of- I totally get it. But racially,

472
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:14,000
that is one of the most defining moments in African-American history ever. Because this was

473
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:23,520
a black man rising to that level to say, okay, we broke through and we're now part of the process.

474
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,840
That was a huge moment. And that's the type of level of event I would love to see happen.

475
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,280
That is something that is landmark, that is collectively- People were weeping because

476
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,520
for the first time they could see the glass ceiling had been broken. That's all I'm thinking of is

477
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:45,200
how do you create those moments, like what Nate is trying to do, those moments in communities that

478
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,520
are landmark moments. Yeah. All right. Let's go to the next one.

479
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:57,440
What was it? What do we got next? So all this stuff in our reality is made up of things that are

480
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:04,560
almost all nothing, no thing. And now as a result, they're looking at the physical part of the atom.

481
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:10,480
They're seeing that those things, which we thought were solid, are made up of smaller things that

482
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,280
aren't actually solid at all. They're only solid sometimes. They have a potential of being solid.

483
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,320
And so we live in this distorted reality where we think that everything is physical around us,

484
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,680
but it's not. It's all energy. We've been given these five senses, these energetic vibrational

485
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:32,400
interpretation devices that simulate a physical reality, which is our body suit, right? That can

486
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,360
hear things as if it's really there, but you're not really hearing words that I'm speaking.

487
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,480
Your tympanic membrane is interpreting very specific vibration and energy that I'm speaking

488
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,720
from a mouth that doesn't even really exist and translating it into this conversation. Like if

489
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,840
you're not wowed, then I don't know if you're alive. All right. What do you think, man?

490
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:02,160
He's right. I mean, you look at a chair and the chair and you can sit in the chair. And if you

491
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:11,280
really open what that is up, you see that it's actually just a bunch of tightly knit molecules,

492
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:18,400
right? It's the nature of the wood that for definition, for our audience, let's give the

493
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:31,040
audience what he means by the part that doesn't exist. It's 99.99999% is empty. Yeah, nothing.

494
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:40,960
Okay. There's nothing there. Yeah. And now he's talking about the 0.000001% that we think

495
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:50,960
does now really doesn't. That's the... Yeah. Well, so I mean, but to be fair, I mean, we always

496
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,400
talked about, I mean, there are objects that can pass through a chair, right? There are objects

497
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,560
that are so small, call it a quark or a photon, that it's so small, it could just pass through

498
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,880
a chair like it's going through like a big tree forest, right? Here's a big redwoods and I'm just

499
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,080
passing straight through it. And that's something we know ontologically true, physically true,

500
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:15,200
true physics in terms of metaphysics, right? But I guess the question I would have is, A,

501
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:23,440
if it is mostly nothing or it could be potential, does that mean you could change it at will? Does

502
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,560
that mean it could be changed? Does it mean the potentiality and the reality of it could be in

503
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,960
the state of flux? Okay. I'll give you... Let me answer that question because I actually thought

504
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,480
about this the other day. I was playing around with the idea of what if natural laws are simply

505
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:45,200
things we've agreed to historically that our body has gotten used to over time. So if I smack my

506
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:53,920
head on a rock, it's going to damage my brain, right? And so I put my hand up against the window

507
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,560
because it was kind of an interesting thing. There was nothing, visually it looked like it was

508
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:04,640
nothing in front of me, but I could feel the glass and I knew the glass was there, but I thought,

509
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:10,240
what if the only thing stopping my hand going through this glass is my belief in the law that

510
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:17,360
the glass is? Because it's just a construct and my world includes the construct of that possibility.

511
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,960
So how then did Jesus, I'm going to use Jesus's example, heal? Because last night I saw a guy

512
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:31,120
at Chase Center and he was severely handicapped from drug use. And his whole leg, I think, had gout.

513
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,120
Was he a homeless person?

514
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Yeah, he was homeless.

515
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,080
Okay, yeah.

516
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,240
No, I'm sorry. He wasn't at Chase Center. He was at the Starbucks where I met my son for lunch.

517
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:47,440
And I was going, how did Jesus just go say, I'm going to heal that? That's what I want to be able

518
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,240
to do. And that was the thing is, is it simply because I don't believe I can do it? That's the

519
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:58,400
question I'm asking for myself right now is, is my limitations created by my own self limitations

520
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:04,320
to this narrative, this grand narrative, the matrix, when he got out of the matrix, he could

521
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,720
bend the spoon or he contemplates. So that's the question I'm asking right now.

522
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,040
Yeah, he defied the law that he was pre-given, right?

523
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:13,760
Exactly.

524
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,080
The kid helped him understand that there was no spoon, right? And that's how he was able to bend

525
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,080
it around. And then he got the gift later on.

526
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,800
Jesus disappeared through crowds. How did he do that? You know, like, Jesus is an easy one,

527
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,960
because it's one that most people understand or have heard the stories. Like Jesus healed people,

528
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,920
I would love, I wanted to heal this guy. I don't know why he just caught my attention and I wanted

529
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:44,720
to heal him. And I thought, man, why am I not, what is stopping me from being able to heal somebody?

530
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,800
It's pride. I had the same thing happen to me multiple times where I've seen somebody in a

531
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:57,520
wheelchair and there's almost, there's, there's something tugging at you to walk up, lay hands on

532
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:04,320
him or her and say, I want you to get up out of this wheelchair and risk the embarrassment and

533
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,040
laughing stockness of the whole process when it doesn't happen. And in the back of our minds,

534
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:14,560
we're thinking that I've had that feeling, right? You know, like, you're not, you can, you can see

535
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:20,560
it a hundred people, but every now and then you've got that. And it's like, damn it. Is that the tug?

536
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,640
Is that something that I should have acted on? Right. In terms of like even a homeless person,

537
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,560
right? You see a hun, they're asking for money and they're coming up with cute little new signs.

538
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Hey, fuck it. Or like flipping it over and this is all positive and like, just like,

539
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,280
it's all positive and like, just give me a beer, right? I mean, sometimes it's really funny.

540
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,120
And sometimes it's just that, and there are times where you, you feel like there's eye contact and

541
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,120
I damn it, I should have probably given that guy something, something about that. It's not just

542
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,720
the one in the masses, right? Cause you can't do that every day, right? You can't just have

543
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:56,320
handful of ones and tens and fives and now that are all day. So is, is that what you think it

544
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,920
might be? In my mind, that's, that's what would be holding me back is that I'm going to look like

545
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:07,280
it has to be it's self limitation, but I don't know what the limiters are. Yeah. Like I fundamentally

546
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,080
it's, and the only thing I could agree to is that historically my body has always been trained.

547
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:20,800
I can't break that construct. And, but what if it's simply the limitation, my body is accepted

548
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:26,320
throughout its history. Like how many bodies has my, I have DNA from whoever was first.

549
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:32,320
That's the reality. We all have DNA from the first person and there's a split, but it's

550
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,920
hundreds and thousands of bodies in between, or I don't know how many it is. I'd be curious to

551
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:44,480
actually know that number, but there's a break and there's a learned process. Like I am my lines,

552
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:53,920
historical record of survival. That's what I am. Yeah. And so is it that survival requires agreeing

553
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:59,680
to that construct? I don't know. Cause Jesus transcended it and Jesus has always been the best

554
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:07,920
example of living that I've ever found. And, um, he could heal and even said, we could heal. And I,

555
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:16,000
I, that's the one thing that like when my mom was dying, I wanted to be able to heal her, you know,

556
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,680
of course she just have heart failure and I wanted to be able to heal her. So that's the question

557
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:29,840
that I'm kind of contemplating, uh, is that, um, do I have the capacity and is it simply because

558
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,960
that's the matrix? Cause that's the rule of the matrix and Neo was able to transcend the nature

559
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:41,840
matrix. I think that, um, we talked about having, um, somebody I used to know from church who was

560
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:48,160
healed herself and she's been doing a lot of ministry, very, very charismatic movement. She

561
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,640
might be great to have on board to help us make that next step into the share stories.

562
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Someone who's guilty of somebody. Um, not, not, not individually, not, not, not in the way we want

563
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,160
to talk about, right. It always comes down to the withered hand, right? Here's a kid from birth,

564
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,800
congenital withered hand. And this guy came up and healed that hand, that hand is now completely

565
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:16,480
made whole as what we've heard about in the Bible, right? Where the guy was born blind and Jesus

566
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,280
asks, you know, was it his fault or the sins of the father? It said scales fell from his eyes.

567
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,080
Yeah. You know, there's a couple of different versions. There's one where he actually makes a

568
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,000
mud and other times he just heals. But then there's one where that he looks like there's spindly

569
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,320
things, which people give physiological actual healing processes, because that's what happens

570
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:37,440
when people come out of a blind state and can heal again. But what we're getting at is can we find

571
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,160
something where, you know, this person was in a wheelchair, but they were just bound there for

572
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:47,920
like three years and they just couldn't really do it. I mean, show me, you know, stage four cancer

573
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,400
on Tuesday, and show me that eradication on Wednesday by going to that faith healer in the

574
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:01,040
same lung, right? Here's the, here's the x-ray. Here's the Mayo Clinic. Here is, you know, what

575
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:07,760
is it? What's the, what's his name? Joel Osteen's church in Texas. Here's Joel Osteen's church.

576
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:14,000
Here's waving. Here's up on stage. And, and we took it, we took an x-ray after he left the premises

577
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,680
and it's gone, right? I think that, I mean, even look at me, I mean, I'm, I'm a believer, right?

578
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,280
And I don't even call myself a cessationist, you know, cessationist believe that all of the healings

579
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:32,160
that we've seen in the, in the Bible were relegated to the, you know, first century as the apostles

580
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,800
continue to grow and expand. And we see obviously Paul raised-

581
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,320
Do you learn that from John MacArthur? No, cessationism is something that a lot of

582
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,320
conservatives- I'm teasing you, bro. I'm teasing.

583
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,360
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't learn much from John MacArthur. Thank God.

584
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:51,360
Yeah. You know, John MacArthur is a cessationist. So a very good friend of mine. Yeah. He's one of

585
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,160
the strictest cessationists I've ever, for those who don't know cessationism, what was it? You

586
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:02,000
explained it. What was it? Cessationism is the belief that all of the Holy Spirit gifts that

587
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,640
were breathed upon the apostles at Pentecostal, what Jesus promised them. And what we actually

588
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:12,720
saw in the book of Acts with Peter, actually, yeah, Peter actually healed a woman named Tabitha

589
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,960
or Dorcas. She was dead. And then Paul healed, rose somebody from the dead. He fell, he was

590
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:25,200
falling asleep during one of Paul's sermons, falls out the window, drops down dead. And Paul

591
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,960
heals him completely, brings him back from, from the dead, right? So we actually have

592
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,680
resurrections, but Jesus did tell us greater things you will do than I did. And yet,

593
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:41,120
cessations believe that after the apostles left and that first group were gone, it kind of,

594
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,600
it kind of ended. That was the, that was supposed to be the first. Did it include all the gifts

595
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:51,840
or just speaking in tongues? Cause I thought it was just speaking in tongues. No, it would include

596
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:58,240
one-on-one healings. So when we talk, John MacArthur would not deny the fact that if we've got

597
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,880
the entire church, we had this happen to us at our church in Ventura Missionary. We were all,

598
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,760
I was at a, I was at a prayer group with my, my good mentor and friend. My wife was at a

599
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,400
women's Bible study. We had a friend driving down to San Diego and we hear that one of the

600
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:18,640
amazing ladies of the church, her name was Janice. She was on her deathbed. Everybody's like, she's

601
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,440
toast, right? Everybody's stopped what you're doing and pray. And we all pray. We prayed for

602
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:29,440
a freaking hour. Did pray to the Psalms. It was incredible, active community work. My wife was

603
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,080
praying. These guys stopped, pulled over by the side of the road and started praying that the

604
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:41,920
attending nurse became a believer because she pulled out of it. She said, she was a dead woman

605
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,640
walking. I am going to be whatever you guys just did there, whatever this was all about, I want,

606
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,520
I want to be a part of this. And it was amazing. She was the nurse and she says, whatever happened,

607
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:56,560
there was an absolute miracle. And we all took credit as a community. Now what, what we're seeing

608
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,920
today is individual people, Benny Hinn or somebody, we're hearing people, raising people from the

609
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,120
dead and African stuff. But what I'm getting at is I don't think, I think a lot of people are

610
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:13,120
skeptical of still those one-on-one things like God heal me. Right. And all of a sudden I have this,

611
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:18,080
you know, addiction to heroin and you know, God can do that. We can see God coming to people and

612
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:23,440
dreams in the middle East and people who are Muslim are seeing Jesus and saying, I want to become a

613
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:30,640
Christ follower now. Right. I've met a gentleman who brought someone back to life. And one of the

614
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,760
most sincere people I've ever met, uh, he, so I worked at a, at a Christian organization,

615
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:47,280
yeah, city team. Um, and he was basically their spokesman for a lot of their worldwide ministries.

616
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,240
And he was extremely genuine and he brought a man back who had been dead for five hours.

617
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,960
So it wasn't, it was documented. The entire town was there. He did it in front of

618
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:03,520
an, a large group of people. He read the guy, the guy was like, uh, was he on a monitor?

619
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:09,520
So he had been dead for five hours when my friend arrived in the village. It was kind of like, uh,

620
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:16,720
um, Oh, it was a village. Okay. He wasn't hooked up to a monitor. Okay. Yeah. So every, no, he was,

621
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,720
there was no monitor. He was dead on a table in a hut. That's, that's what it was like. Um,

622
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:31,600
and the whole, they're like, okay, there's nothing. He had stopped. He was cold. So full cold. Um,

623
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:39,520
so he had been in rigor mortis and he came back and he came back to life. And it's hard to,

624
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:45,280
like, I'm not against the more that I study energy, the more that I realized how

625
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:53,280
historically what Jesus and Paul and Peter were doing was a movement of energy. Um, I can't

626
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:59,680
remember what her name is, but she says all life is the manipulation of energy. And Jesus used it

627
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:05,280
for positive cause you can use it for negative, but Jesus used it for positive. Peter healed

628
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:12,400
someone, uh, for the positive reason for it. Of course. Um, and I think that's partly why our

629
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,680
bodies don't let us see it is because we're not mature enough to handle that kind of responsibility.

630
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:24,000
That would be a, I mean, I don't believe in the, I don't know about Benny Hinn. I've heard stories

631
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:29,520
that he's very real in some respects, and I'm sure we've seen it looks fantastical where it's

632
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:36,160
almost silly, but at the same time, what if it's real? I mean, it has to be real to some extent.

633
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:43,040
You can't manufacture a 30 to 40 year career out of fakery. That's just not possible. Um,

634
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,800
he's come around. He's actually become a little bit less. Um, I mean, when you've got all those

635
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:53,040
people and he's like, there's a great song about let the bodies hit the floor. I don't know if you

636
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,720
ever heard that. That's so funny. I've seen that video and then they're all just lurching and stuff.

637
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,680
Here's the other thing that I always try to get out of that. It's great to have these wonderful

638
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,800
movements of elation and being slain in the spirit and stuff, but then what do you go out and do with

639
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,400
that? Right. And it's the same thing about the reconciliation thing. It's about also that, that

640
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,960
awesome feeling of, of everybody's smiling and laughing a hundred people around you at the

641
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Gonzaga game. And, um, you can't live in that forever, but it does give you a glimpse of what

642
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:28,800
something like that could look like. And yet how do you live in an area of you're not in overdrive,

643
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,800
you're not doing 180 miles an hour, but you're cruising along at 80 and everybody's looking at

644
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,600
the, and everybody's working together and not having the same kind of speed bumps that we have

645
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,080
all the time. So here's my question. This is what got me because right before I went in the game,

646
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:47,840
I watched this video about elevating your life. And the concept is, and, uh,

647
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,440
Cleburne talked to all about this is that we're going to reach a point where we elevate.

648
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:59,360
And is that, is that elevation a moment? Cause that's what was happening in that four seconds.

649
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,960
It was almost like a foreshadowing of what Cleburne was talking about was what if I wake up one day

650
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:11,760
and the shift has happened? What would you do with that when you're already like the elevation

651
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,160
process, what if it's going to dramatically knock you on your ass because it's going to be so good?

652
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:23,040
Um, I'm looking for the good and I'm wondering if what that shift looks like, if it, you know,

653
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,520
what he was talking about, I think that's probably one of the biggest biohacks that I've really taken

654
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:34,880
on this year is this idea that I am intimately source. I am, that's what Jesus said. Jesus said,

655
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:42,480
I am, and I've taken on that idea now for almost a year. And I think it's pro that to me is probably

656
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:48,400
the most profound link that has made the rest really, really good. Um,

657
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:56,960
so I still differ with you on this because when Jesus says I am, he's, he's quoting, um,

658
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:05,840
I am that I am he's, he's in, it's again, it's John eight 58 and he is literally claiming divinity at

659
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,960
that stage. Right? So he's not just saying, I am Cleburne or I am happy and I'm, I am positive

660
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,760
energetic level. Yeah. He's a

661
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:22,160
because he goes, Oh, who are you? You, you, you, you know, Abraham goes before Abraham was, I am

662
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,720
right. Right. Are you saying you're greater than father? And then that's when they're like,

663
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,240
okay, this guy is freaking, this guy's an absolute blasphemer. And what I'm getting, one of the things

664
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,560
that I was going to laugh about when, when, right, when you've talked about like, I am God and I am,

665
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:44,880
I am fully God, I am part of that construct. I'm like, just, just give me a, give me, give the

666
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,960
audience just a little glimpse of what that moment of creation was like when you breathe life into

667
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:54,000
the world, Jonathan, just help me understand just that moment of revelation as you, as you create it.

668
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:59,040
Cause I, and I want you to be, I want you to tell me what that experience was like. Just give me a

669
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:06,000
little hint. Uh, I started this idea on my walk with my dog. So that's where I really get into it

670
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:12,080
consistently. I talk about this idea in my head with myself as I walk my dog. It's my meditation

671
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:19,200
time. It's my, I'm creative. I shoot reels, I have thoughts, I take thousands of notes. And

672
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:26,000
as I started seeing this possibility, at first it was a possibility of what if I am like, that was

673
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,360
the first question. And I thought, what if, can I logically be, and I answered that question and I

674
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:39,040
sent you a text that night. Cause I said, if I can love, that means I am love because I'm part of

675
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:45,200
love. I have love to give. That means I'm connected to source. So all you have to be able to do to

676
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:52,160
prove that you are connected to God or a part of God is that you are capable of loving. So to love,

677
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,200
which is the greatest commandment is simply a call to this idea that you are already connected. You

678
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:03,760
are part of God, but you're the individual expression of God on earth. And there's millions

679
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:09,600
of those. So at a subatomic level, you're all one, but your individual expressions that are

680
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:16,320
radically mentally disturbed through thousands of years of history saying you suck. And we are

681
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:22,560
reaching a point where we're waking up to the reality that we don't suck. That's the epoch that

682
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:28,880
I think is happening. And I think people are waking up like I'm Jonathan in this body, but we're not

683
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:34,560
doing it from our own divinity. We're doing it from something extent. Neo, and this is the argument

684
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:40,720
that I've been making Neo knew something was driving him and it wasn't him. It was not him.

685
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:50,880
Jonathan is this world's my avatar. But I remember, and this is a moment in my life that I've never

686
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,720
forgotten. I remember the first day I could write my name, Jonathan. Okay. Or I was Johnny when I

687
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:01,520
was a kid. So I was writing Johnny, I was in my bed. It was nine o'clock at night. I had been in

688
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:08,480
bed for an hour. I was four or five and I learned it in kindergarten, I think. I pulled the cover

689
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,800
out. I had a flashlight and I wrote my name. I was so proud of that. But that's the moment I became

690
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:20,240
an avatar. Before that, I had no consciousness of identity. Yeah. I didn't need one. And that is-

691
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,760
Well, your brain develops too, right? That's where you learn abstractions. You got to a point where

692
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,200
kids don't forget, there's a place and time where kids don't know anything other than themselves.

693
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:35,520
They can't think outside of themselves. They can't think in third party. There's a great story,

694
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:40,000
I forgot it, but it's about the pirate and about like somebody would have actually hid something.

695
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,480
And like, why would you have thought that? You're only seeing what's observable to you instead of

696
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:47,600
thinking what somebody else might have done to change that situation.

697
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,720
Well, I'm seeing that right now with my grandson, Kasen. He's not capable of seeing himself

698
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:58,080
separate from his mom. So when his mom goes into the garage for a second, he freaks out because

699
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:03,840
he doesn't know where he is. That's what he's experiencing. And because he only sees his mom as

700
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:10,320
himself. That's because they're one in the same. And I think what's happened is by taking on that,

701
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:16,320
first I took on the possibility, then I took on the opportunity and says, let's try this idea out.

702
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:23,760
What is the cost? And I was very careful going into that saying, I'm going to listen to the results

703
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:31,840
very clearly. And by seeing myself as source and connected to God, I am.

704
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:40,960
It, I think solves the problem in the Garden of Eden, which is the, am I good or evil? I am a

705
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:46,560
collective representation of both as an expression in the world living that out, but there's full

706
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:51,360
grace. That's what the cross did. The cross established grace was already true. It's always

707
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:57,840
been true since the Garden. Everything was good and living into that reality that I am fully

708
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:03,440
connected. And then I think this is the birth of an age where we are going to see the fullest

709
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:08,160
expression. That's how God works. God always comes in, in the end, we've had. In two thousand year

710
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:16,480
increments, sounds like, because why did God choose 2000 years ago to come in and finally say,

711
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:20,880
here's the evidence of the cross, right? Or he took the Roman empire. He took a terrible

712
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,440
kinds of thing. He took a potential scripture from Isaiah talks about, he'll be pierced for

713
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:29,520
our transgressions, like nailed to the cross. So, I mean, we always wonder about those things. The

714
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:34,960
law would give them hundreds of years beforehand. It's not perfect to the 2000, but it took 2,500

715
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,680
years for the original law for the 10 commandments to show up. How Merabi's law had been there. So I

716
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:46,240
think you're 2000 years, but to that point, it's taken us 2000 years to really acknowledge that

717
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:52,800
grace is true. The church is waking up to, okay, grace is true. We got to get over ourselves.

718
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:59,040
And it's embracing that. Like when I was a kid, grace was there, but hey, stay away from it.

719
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:04,240
Cause there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a caveat. Yeah. You didn't want to give

720
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,880
license. Everybody was worried about license. And here's the reality. There is license. Hitler is in

721
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:14,560
heaven people. He is, he's there. And it's not that he, cause here's the reality. Any

722
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:19,680
location we go to. I thought he has to go through eons of tribulation. But he's there. Cause there

723
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:27,840
is no time. There is no time. That's true. He's there. It's a representation. It's an avatar like

724
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:35,280
me of possibility. That's all Hitler is. He's a representation of possibility of the human idea

725
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:42,960
in this narrative we call life, the matrix. And he's going to be there. So the question is not,

726
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,280
how do I get him out of heaven? But how do I learn to deal with him being there? And you can only do

727
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:53,520
that through love. Yeah. You can only do that through love. Because love. He killed 80 million

728
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:58,400
people. Mao is not going to make it. He's telling you. I know. And that's the hard part of the king

729
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:04,800
of God is that it includes the criminal. It did. Jesus was crucified with two criminals to his left

730
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:11,600
and right. And that, that is the one I think burns people the most, but we never, because if you and

731
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:19,120
I are both the God image at a subatomic level, we're both avatars having different expressions

732
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:24,160
of the same idea. I don't want, I don't want to kill you because you're me. And that's what I

733
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:30,080
think we're waking. That's what mindfulness is waking us up to. That I think the world is,

734
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:35,120
and I think Gen Z is halfway there, that they're tired of fighting against each other,

735
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:39,280
but they don't know how to love each other. They've been, the polarization is only possible

736
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:44,800
when you lose the concept of love. And that's why evangelical church, which was the voice box for

737
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,160
most of America, took us in a wrong path. It got away from love and went to politics. And that is

738
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,560
what there is a progress. So there's they've moved from wanting to kill each other to not wanting

739
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,640
to go to, they're too tired of that. And they're too beat up from all the bullshit. Now they just

740
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,880
need to learn to love. There's still a ton of us older folks that are still willing to bring up

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arms. We're still, we're still at the level of fighting. Well, also I want to say in terms of

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love, I'm not saying love just means, oh, let's have a woo woo woo woo woo experience where we

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just deal with our people. It's not. Love is the judgment of good. It's saying, Rich, you are good.

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So I'm not going to kill you. Okay. And in that space, we deal with those people who break that

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law. That's the only law there is, is the law of love. That's it. There's no other laws. We create

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laws, but the only law that exists in the universe is the law of love. That says you are good. You're

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here. Guess what? The first law of thermodynamics is you're here. Now you got to deal with it. So

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that's consciousness. And if we don't wake up to removing those conflicts, but I think this is

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Scott's story anyway. So we're just participants in, and that's the mystery of it is as Alan Watts

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said, we're going to wake up and go, Oh, that was a cool dream. That's my, that's my, that's my one

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big Trump card is, is that I think Alan Roth's got it right. So we're going to wake up realizing

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we are God who has played a trick on ourselves so we could have a good laugh. Yep. So that's a good

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How can you beat that? To all of our listeners, please subscribe, review, let us know who you'd

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Would love to have you follow. This has been one of my, I love these. These were the original

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conversations we've had for the last 15 years of just talking stuff and having these wild

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conversations. So I love that rich. It's been awesome to all of our listeners have a wonderful

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week and we will talk to you soon. Much love everybody.