Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.
And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.
But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance
of what it means to be human in today's world.
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Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and this is my co-host, Rich. Say hello, Rich.
Howdy, folks. Hope everybody's having a great day and looking forward to a great weekend.
Looking forward to getting back together one-on-one with my good buddy, Jonathan. Let's go.
Yes. So today we had kind of an interesting, we had no guests scheduled and Rich and I talked about
an idea of kind of current topics around the matrix in life and really that is relevant
to this podcast. So what we wanted to do was have sort of a discussion on a couple videos that we
found. So here's the first video. I'm not right. I'm not left. I'm not Republican. I'm not Democrat.
I'm not libertarian. I'm a human being that wants the best for the rest of the human beings. And I
want some common consents and I want to be left alone. I want to pay low taxes. I want to be able
to go build things and prosper and get all the things that have been promised to me in the
constitution of this country. That's what I want. And until people wake up and stop identifying with
left or right, Republican, Democrat, black, white, gay, straight, all the shit until we figure that
out and stop doing that, we will continue to be abused by these people who hold the power.
What'd you think? Yeah, I think what the guy's saying makes sense.
Well, well, I don't know what he where he really leans. Everybody leans one way. We have, we all
have lenses right now, perspective perspectives. But I like where he's coming from because he's
starting to bring clarity to the idea that there are factors, it appears to be that are driving
divisions, right? There are there are maybe it's beneficial that that we remain divided. We all
know that when we're in a high cortisol level state that we're suspect of two different levels
when there's a fear of things happening, right, whether it's immigration in the southern border,
whether it's a new coronavirus or something affecting mosquitoes or Ebola found in some
person, you know, a hantavirus. It seems to me that the mainstream media seems to perpetuate this
stuff, right? And we've got our Fox News that has it on right of center and our others that are left
of center. So I think what he's done is he's identified the fact that, you know, at the end
of the day, if we could all look at ourselves in the mirror, we would all want to prosper. We would
all want to say, Yeah, I don't want to kill anybody. I don't want to cause problems. I might
debate somebody. But if I could live my own life peacefully and work hard and not have a shit ton
of money taken out in taxes, I'd want the best if everybody gets that same benefit, then everybody
wins, right? And so how do we separate, you know, all of the bullshit that's being foisted upon us
and come to that same agreement on certain things? The biggest challenge to this again is
you have to live on a farm, you know, that doesn't have any outside access to avoid all of the
division because you're going to be exposed to it no matter where you go. So how did we come up with
that solution of what he's talking about? Well, I, you know, the thing that really got me about
what he said was common sense. That's the first thing that really grabbed well, his opening of
I'm not left to write because yes, I don't like the idea of being left or right that I need to
define myself. I have to separate myself from you. I don't like that idea. I like the us first,
the we like Sean talks about. I think there's a lot of value, but I'm also recognizing that doesn't
the we doesn't exclude the eye. The eye exists. This avatar exists. And I think both together,
it's always a both and like going back to David Artman, it's a both and approach love. The kingdom
is ultimately both and it learns extends to all and grace alone, meeting in the middle. That's
the, this place is where love exists. And I think that's the thing that I'm throughout this entire
process of doing this podcast. I've realized we've explored ideas in people's lives that are around
polarities and it's the polarity that is where all the emotion is. And I, I keep coming back to
Brittany and that middle point of how do the polls come and meet in the middle and recognize
the validity of both sides. And I think that's what I, there's a passion in what he said around
common sense. Like you look at Washington and it's just, this is arguably politically the worst time
in my life. And I was around for Nixon Reagan getting shot, all the impeachment shit. This is
the most concerned I've ever been for our country ever. And I think that's the common sense that he's
talking about that's missing. So that's what's true. And I agree with you. And I think we all
know that every generation thinks the anti-crisis around the corner and there's plagues and pestilence
and the shit that's in the fat. I mean, imagine the United States in the early 1900s with the
Spanish influenza that killed 15 to 20 million people across the globe. That was terrifying,
right? And in World War I and World War II, but even then what we have now is something that seems
to be so overarching. It affects everything about us, our psyche, our livelihoods, our future
generations, our planet. And one of the things that's starting to really scare me is that
the United States government is not the big philanthropist that we've
flouted ourselves to be, right? I mean, it doesn't take a lot of, I mean, even
Barbara F. Kennedy Jr. was on with an MSNBC host and he basically just said, we blew up the Nord Stream
pipeline. We did it. Duh. Right? And you're seeing with Tucker and we basically admitted that yes,
the CIA was involved in the assassination of JFK. Like back in the 60s, of course, we were always a
little confused about it. And even Oliver Stone thought there was something funny with a magic
bullet. Like how does this bullet go six times through the whole body? So here's the thing.
Right. The other reason why it's scary is because you're realizing that there is no left to right.
There's only power. The Mitch McConnell's of the world are not the good guys, right? The right wing,
the Republicans aren't necessarily the good guys. The Democrats aren't necessarily the bad guys or
vice versa. We have the Clinton family in the progressive side. I mean, it's like the cabal
of power. It's wild that politically here's what's, I always look for what's going to be the black
swan that can change a culture. You know, like me too was a black swan type of idea where things
change rapidly and quick in an age of social media. In a good way though. Harvey Weinstein
was taken down for years of predatory behavior. That was a good black swan. But when you've got
Klaus Schwab saying there's going to be a black swan event and the World Economic Forum is talking
about a black swan event, that's the wrong kind of black swan event. That's the kind of-
No, no, no. I agree. I also think that the black swan could come out of nowhere because here's
the reality. If you really boil the 1% down to anything, they're not part of the majority.
The power of any culture and society is the capacity to gather together collectively
enough with love that it can overwhelm the corruption. That's people standing up and saying,
I am- Something needs to dramatically change to create- Buckminster Fuller said the only way
to change something wrong is to create something new. I think that's what he's talking about in
that video is we need something new. I think that something does not look like what we have.
We can keep our structural system of Congress and senators and presidents. I think that works,
but we've got to really look at what are the levers that are corrupting that. It is ultimately
the corporation and its capacity to own the media. That's the nature of social media now,
is that it's not totally under control of all of that, even though they own it. They just make
money off it, but what happens in those streams is all- I think we need something new that
fundamentally changes our way of life in a positive way. I think that's the arc of this whole
last four years of greed is good capitalism is, is it reaching a point where the cat's out of the
bag? Kennedy was shot by our government. Those are the kinds of things that when the cat comes out
of the bag and then UFOs show up, is anybody shocked anymore by our own corruption? Because
I think we can see that the system is corrupted on both sides, Trump and Biden. They're both part of
the corruption and the system that is controlled by money. One of the things I was going to say
is about the love thing. One of the things that I'm hoping that takes place is that there is this
divine movement that tries to actually effectively change our consciousness. I think the
call it God, Jesus, the universe in its way of trying to craft and help us. Something transcend
that needs to happen because we're not going to wake up and have that sense of love. The thing
that I'm recounting is the people that when they have their first child, they see something new,
as Buckminster Fuller said, they've got something new and they've got something to fight for and
they've got a purpose and they start to know even through a tough like childbirth and all this stuff,
they start to learn what love could really be in a real tangible way. They didn't have that sense.
They maybe love their wife, but now they've got something new. I'm going to give you an
interesting example because we talked about DEI before, which tends to divide people. You got,
oh my God, these people are trying to do reparations and they're bringing in people.
We're going to get killed because we've got a pilot who was quick routed through the system
and the person doesn't know how to fly a plane, but they did it for DEI's sake and somebody's
going to die. That's on this side and then on this side, it's like, no, going back to the old
discriminatory days of where white patriarchy. Now, what was interesting is I was talking to
a gal today who was a professor at ASU and she's also a coach there and she was saying that somebody
in this diversity class that she was in was like, well, you're privileged, so how can you come?
She goes, honey, you don't know anything about me. I was the poorest person on, I wore my brother's
jeans. Here's a gal who's in academia who wasn't given a silver spoon. One of the things I thought
of was how do we come up with creative ways to bring people together that actually educates and
creates empathy or at least the other? Me and my wife were celebrating with that bonus that
she got and we were at a cafe in Ojai called Tres Hermanas and I thought, hey,
is this called Tres Hermanas because it's based on the three sisters running the place? She goes,
no, it's about three agricultural things for the indigenous people, how squash and beans and corn
all grow together almost in a divine symbiotic way that helps sustain a culture. I'm like, damn,
that's so cool. That's the three sisters. I'm thinking that's something new that I liked. It
creates a sense of curiosity. I learned something new and an other that brings together and it
brought me that. How do we create a paradigm where outside of having a new relationship or having
some kind of extant thing bringing you into a situation where you're almost
brought into the kind of love, how do you foster ideas that begin with curiosity and shared common
interests so that we do get to that point? Because we could be beating our heads all day long if we
don't have a good formula. Well, I think I would go back to Paulo Ferrer here. So Paulo Ferrer,
he wrote, and for our listeners who don't know because it's esoteric work, but it's brilliant.
He studied how people come out of oppression. I think he was the Chilean minister of finance
or something like that. I can't remember. I think he was Brazilian. But the point is that in order
for change to happen, the oppressor will never voluntarily give up its power ever. That's just
not the way the oppressor will work because they believe that if they let go of that oppression,
the masses are going to kill them. So they'll never let it go because they rule by fist and power.
And what he said is the only way to get the majority to see their oppression
is to establish their dignity. You have to teach people of their own dignity and value so they will
learn that they are valuable enough to fight for. Ontologically. Yeah. So you have to have a
meaningful reason to participate in your own restoration or removal from oppression. And I
think that's what's missing is first the story of the collective here because what is happening
is the polarities. You're either left or right, black or white, gay or straight. And what does
that look like at Brittany's center point in the middle between all of those polarities? What's
the center? That's love. And I think what's missing is, hey, you and I are neighbors. You want to
agree not to harm each other? Like simple agreements like that to say, listen, let's just
agree to trust each other. And how big does that trust circle exist? Like what if we could establish
simple ways of establishing trust between people so you know that it's there and that's the fabric
digitally, you could do that. And the, and so it's from there, all of these creative ideas can happen
because people learn to trust each other. That's, that's my point is I think we are at a state where
we need a structure of trust because that's what our parents had. Our parents had, remember when
we were kids, you didn't worry about your neighbors. You know, it's like a lot of people
love your bikes in the driveway. You left the bikes in the driveway, right? All kinds of stuff.
Assume the best of your neighbor, not the worst. They weren't, you know, yeah, we had racism.
Okay. That's the one we had in spades, but the polarity was dominated by the white party.
So it wasn't even like they were in control. Going back to Paula Ferrari, the question is,
how do we rise up and awareness of our dignity so that we will fight for ourselves? I think
that's the first question we have to answer is like, look at the founding fathers of this country.
What made them say, Hey, screw you Europe, you know, England, we're going to, this is our land
now and to fight for that because there was a lot of oppression. Obviously there was a, it felt like
they didn't have oppression. I'll give you a question. Okay. I was in San Jose yesterday
and I picked up the mercury news and homelessness in San Jose has doubled in the last two years.
Okay. Doubled. I'm sorry. Not in San Jose in the Bay area. So the whole thing is in the horseshoe.
And it's in the horseshoe. It's doubled because of the cost of living. Like a house in San Jose,
a three, two is 1.5 million. Think about that. The logic of that, you know,
a lot for $87,000, you know, 25 years ago or 30 years ago, right?
Well, yeah, 30 years. So when, uh, yeah, I bought my dad's condo for, uh,
or I sold my dad's condo for $140,000 back then it's now worth 1.4 million.
So we were talking about that. Uh, it's like life is out of balance right now. That's the problem.
Life is out of nobody. I don't want to take anybody's billions away. I don't want to do that.
I want a better way. So we don't need people to be billionaires. That's my wonder of how we create
that. How do we create a world that doesn't need billionaires? Like let's use AI for that.
Well, you've got, um, you've got an absolutely excellent case where, you know, you can talk about
politics, but you can, let's talk, let's talk about our gen Z's, our millennials. These poor kids
are working their asses off their, their, their degree with their saddled with debt. They don't,
I mean, you watch these poor girls get on tick-tock and talk about, I've got a job, but I can't even
go out this week and I could barely even feed myself. Right. And it takes away hope. And, and
that, that, this is a huge thing. There's tens of thousands, if not millions of people out there
that are in this particular position. And if you don't have family that you can hook up with and,
and create new paradigms, I mean, my, my sister's going to move to North East of Spokane with her
old husband. They're going to get back together and develop 20 acres out there in Northeast
Washington state, like a hundred miles away from Canada and, you know, 30 minutes away, 40 minutes
away from Idaho. Maybe that's what it looks like. And maybe that's where community comes from to try
to get back to grassroots. And maybe that's for farming and getting back to the basics happen,
but because how else could you insert something that's going to change that? You know, I mean,
Trump's going to try to drain the swamp and, and, and get things back to where they were prior to
Biden coming into the office, right. Which people were relatively happy. The, we had energy
independence homelessness was bad, but it wasn't as bad. I mean, it's literally, it's just, it's
bad, but it wasn't as bad. I mean, it's literally gotten so bad. And it's possible partially because
of inflation, but we've got a border where you've got millions of people. Now people are starting
to get killed. And finally, people are having vigils about it. And people are getting raped
and killed every freaking day all across this country, but people who don't give a fuck.
And that's, I don't know how you start to make an impact on that without some kind of external
presence saying, Hey guys, it's all going to be okay. And we're going to fix this. And even Trump,
God bless him, can't come in and make it all go away. I mean, what, what, what, what, what can he
do in that regard? I mean, I, I tend to, I mean, dude, Biden literally said on a press conference
today in floor and he's in Texas and Brownsville, he's in the, he's in the non painful part. So he's
got these optics of, Hey, everything's fine. Yeah. We only had 12 immigrants come across over the
last few days. Whereas Trump is in Eagle pass where thousands of them come across all the time. But
he literally just said, you, all these houses are getting burnt up except for the ones with the
right roofs. Now you know where that comes from. There's a conspiracy in Maui where all of these
and in Chile, if yours are blue, like Oprah's like Zuckerberg's like all these other people,
then you don't get torched by the D E W or whatever it is. So he literally lets that escape
because his mind isn't there. And you know, so what the heck do you do when you see somebody say
that they're right in front of you on and fucking in front of television? I mean, I just saw it blow
up all over Twitter because the summer says it was this edited. No, he literally just said that. What
the hell does that mean? And that's where I think that adds to the confusion because you've got a
presidential address, you know, and you think you should be able to rely on that, you know? So
anyway, did you see Mitch McConnell's breakdown? Oh, I've seen him catatonic. I mean, he's
literally looking. He was lost. Oh God, it was a dementia type moment. I don't know if it was
dementia, but it was like he just had, he had nothing in that moment. You can see it. If not
catatonic. Yeah. He was standing. He didn't collapse that bunch of broccoli, but yeah, he,
he's done. He stepped down, right? But I don't know if you know this, his sister,
he's not stepping down until September. Oh God. As a leader, he wants to go through all the election
cycles. Oh God, please. No. Um, but, uh, I mean, his sister-in-law was just killed.
Oh, really? Uh, supposedly it was a car crash where her car landed into a river and it was
like an accident. And they're like, no, I don't think that was an accident. There's something
going on, dude. That that's where start. That's where that's where that's where we're living in
the matrix where this conspiracy shit comes in. And all right, let's go to number two. We got to
move on. I know. Yeah. No, this was a good conversation. I like this because it was, it was,
you know, we both got to share some thoughts about it. So I like it. All right. Uh, which one did
you want to do next? Um, you pick one. We could do, well, um, we could do the ice bath one. Let's
do that. Let's do the fun one. Yeah. It's more practical. We can talk about some science behind
it too. You know? Okay.
So what'd you think? That, that was creative. I have to give that guy like supreme props for
creativity. I thought that was, I was brilliant. What'd you think? A lot of different ways to say
that that happened in an ice baths bad for your pecker and your, and your gonads. Um, so here's
the thing. Let's talk about where this, the origin of these ice baths started. And then we can talk
about how it recently got more popular. So there's a guy named Wim Hof, who is this guy from the
Netherlands. He's a Dutchman and he's always exposed to this cold stuff because it's freezing
out there. And what he started doing was these combinations of ice plunges and just cold exposure,
as well as, um, deep breath work to help, you know, get your body and mind in this amazing state.
And, you know, over the course of time, you can watch him just become more and more flexible and,
and, and have this energy and almost this craziness. And then as you start to pile up the
YouTube videos, you watch people who have been bedridden with some types of inflexibility,
some kinds of disease, other types of problems where after they started doing these cold plunges,
they start getting better physiologically, more flexibility, less inflammation, more of a will to
life, et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, that was like years ago. I mean, he's been doing this
for years, but more recently, um, with the adapt, you know, the introduction of, I mean, athletes
have always had ice baths right when they're done with their stuff. So traditionally, if you're in
a sports room, like if all these guys at the NFL, they're going to have a really rough day out there
and they're going to come off the field and they're going to hop in that ice bath, which
helps that kind of, um, beat up body, right? Their bodies get beat up all the time and it helps,
um, kind of restore that. Now, the whole idea of the, uh, believe it or not though, with the cold
plunges, like, no, you want to do it first thing in the morning because that's what activates all
of the good properties. And we've seen things like with Dr. Brekha talk about three or four things
that happen when this happens physiologically. Number one is it, um, introduces cold shock
proteins to the body. The liver sees that immediate danger and introduces these proteins, which help,
you know, get your dopamine mitochondria and other levels that, which also mitochondria spins up in,
in, in, in firing up the powerhouse of the cell through, um, the brown fella, brown fat activation.
So brown fat gets activated as well. On top of all that, he was saying that, you know, if you look at
it physiologically doing like five minutes of an ice bath is the equivalent of doing like hours of
high intensity workout in terms of actually shredding fats and in terms of doing things like putting
your body into a state immediately of having done exercise. And then other people like even look at
it like, Hey, if you do this in the morning, it's the hardest thing you're going to have to do all
day. It's going to help you get through the day. So there's so many levels of that. Right. But now
you're starting to see the repercussions and the, and the, and the pushback. And some of these people
like, you do know that your body thinks it's dying, right? When you jump into a frozen lake, or if you
were like ice fishing and you fall in, your body is going to go into full blown fight. When let's
talk about the cortisol spiking, the adrenaline, all that type of thing that goes to your body.
Why would you want to do that to yourself? Right. For a, for a 20 minute dopamine rush or an hour
long dopamine rush that you get as you come out of that whole process. So I think really what it
comes down to is another one of these kinds of scenarios where we're in a world where we're
exposed to all these kinds of things. Oh, you, you, you having a rough life. It's your gut biome.
Here's 80 million different products that you can produce this tablet, this pill, this probiotic,
this kind of diet to help with your gut biome. And then you realize that some of this is absolute
bullshit. You don't even know what's happening. So just to answer your question in short, because I
do ice baths, right? I was in one yesterday and it was 36 degrees. And I will tell you, it was
fucking amazing. I was coming off of, you know, a little bit of a bender and I just hopped in there
and dude, it was magnificent. I, I, I didn't even breathe. Like once you've done it, you get it.
You've got the muscle memory and you know, you can do it. So it's just a matter of doing it.
Yeah. But I normally I'm in the forties and sometimes I'll settle for low fifties,
but 36 is a big difference between 36. Yeah. It's a big difference between 36 and 48.
You know, yes. Well, you got to that's new level of memory. It is you're reaching a new level.
Cause here's the thing is I think the pros of ice bath infinitely outweigh the cons because to the
first point, the, you're putting your body into a state where it thinks it's dying is the biohack.
You're using that state to your advantage by teaching yourself to do hard things. And
the, the hardest part about life is that we don't know what we can do until we're in the moment.
We're required to do it. And in that moment, sometimes we can't do it. So we reach a limit
and ice baths are a mental process of challenging yourself and saying, okay,
can I get in the fucking water at when it's 36 degrees, you know, and, uh,
you're teaching yourself resilience through that process to discover you can,
because you haven't died yet. The, in other words, the potential for death is so ridiculously small
and the value benefits physiologically, mentally, and to the next point is when you start valuing
yourself and seeing what you can do, that inspires confidence and courage, and you can start doing
new things because you learn, oh, most of my limitations are things that I've created for
myself where I said, I can't. Well, the value of being our age is we can call bullshit on ourselves
and say, oh, well, wait a minute. I learned when I was six, I couldn't, but maybe when I'm 56,
I can. And that's, that's the value it's, and it takes eight minutes a day. And the value of it
and the value of it is like we drink coffee and the value of coffee lasts 15 minutes. That's all
it lasts on your body because it simulates the same idea of a cold of the cold shock protein.
The value of the cold of the ice bath last two to three hours. So there's, there's infinite value
to this process. I think it's, and I think, you know, back to the video quickly, it's creative
that it got to that level of culture that they're now doing satire on it. Cause it's really funny.
I thought it's, it's integrated itself into society as a norm now. That's true. That's a good point.
And to add to that is that, well, what I was going to say is in terms of the benefit,
I think people who really do it consistently, it, it's the same kind of thing as having a good diet
and keeping that intermittent fast. It's the same thing as meditating. And it's the same thing as,
you know, as the ice plunge and the exercise when you maintain these regimens and you do them again
and again and again, it builds that process in you. Right. And like success begets success. Right.
And so I think when you overcome these things, it probably could even help with addiction. It
could help with relationships, et cetera. One of the things that our other guests, Nate Taylor said
from key span is, you know, when you've got a community that gets together. And so he's
trying to build this health care community with health span and a community of not only people
with good ideas for diet, fasting, you know, um, blood, blood work and taking some supplements,
but they also get together and they do cold plunges. Right. And when you have that shared
community of a potential situation that is very challenging, right. When I went my five days, we
were seven of us in this fast brutal. There was parts of it where we're like dying, right. We're
sick of the freaking lame soup or we're sick of, you know, this little cracker or this weird
propylene glycol on water. We're drinking to do stuff, but at the same time, at the same time,
when you can build a community that kind of shares and kind of almost a shared misery,
but a shared challenge that you overcome, kind of like you see running groups. Um, I mean, I watched,
we were walking downtown Ventura and they were, um, me and Hunter were walking downtown and we
saw this, um, we, we, we did a four mile walk ourselves, but they were just finishing up a
marathon. And what was amazing about this marathon wasn't just the fact that people were running a
marathon. These people were all coming in now. It was like five and a half hours. So they were,
they were the, they were, they were, they were the laggards, right. You want to do a marathon
to qualify for Boston. It's three something three 15, three 30. I did my, my only marathon at four
25 and I only trained four months or two months for it. So I didn't do that good, but these cats,
these cats were coming in at six minutes, six hours, and yet the family was still coming around
them. So what this was doing was all these people were gathered by family. And to think that this
person who dedicated, you know, six months of training and beat up their body for 26 miles,
which less than 2% of the population's ever done that brought community together too. Right. And
so this is a support network and people talk about when they go through these things, I wouldn't
have been able to do it without my wife who took care of the, you know, kids when I had to do my
long runs. And so maybe as we're talking right now, Jonathan, we're talking about ways to actually
overcome the problems we just talked about in our first discussion. How do you build a sense of
community love purpose and shared, um, joys and shared tribulation that you overcome that? I mean,
anybody you black, white, gay, Hispanic, Republican, uh, transgender, anybody can enjoy
the benefits of an ice bath or a marathon and overcoming something that's challenging. And
maybe that's, or enjoying a good meal. Whoa. The flavors of that were incredible. Yeah. I never
had plantains in my life with this kind of, you know, Jamaican stuff, right. Or whatever.
So let me speak to that real quick. Let me speak to that real quick. Cause you just brought up a
really good point is I don't think people can get to the capacity to enjoy things together.
Cause that's the value of the meal. Like my family was all about the meal, but you can't get to the
point of the meal until there's trust. And I usually don't trust you because you potentially
could hurt me. And that's sort of the general malaise keeping people apart. We've got to find
a way to help people get back to the center rather than being so polarized. It's the polarity that's
keeping us from the dialogue that happens in the middle. And I think that's the, uh,
that's the problem that we've got to solve. Um, and I like the way he career, you know, here's
you and I got on really extensive biohacking over the last year and a half. And what has been your
overall experience of it? Um, so a few things I would say that, um, consistent versus
consistency is more important than high intensity. So working out moderately three to four times a
week is better than working out once really intensely. Right. I think having, having the
consistency is key. Learning things about, um, limiting caloric intake and having those 12, 14
hour windows of not eating, which helps slough off dead cells. Right. We've learned physiologically
that when the body is deprived of, of a source of nutrition and calories, it goes into a state of
looking at the cells in the body and becoming very efficient at, at getting rid of the ones that are
actually bringing us down. Right. So I would say like that was, it was a huge aspect. Um, and the
third thing is, you know, um, and when we go through key span, they talk about getting sun,
like there's a daily journal, right? Did you get enough sleep? Did you get 20 minutes of sun?
Did you get in your exercise? Um, you know, what, what's your attitude like? And, you know, um,
did you get your meditation in? Right. So these are things that are very holistic. And when you
can actually bring them all together, this is where I think, and this is where I think people
are legit. It's, it's kind of common sense, but at the same time, um, it's still hard for people
to overcome. I, we follow, you've heard of carnivore Aurelius. He's been on Joe Rogan and, um,
he's, he's the carnivore diet guy, right? I mean, he's talking about grounding. Oh, we talk about
grounding too, right? Um, grounding and these things are like so basic and it's almost as if
we just go back in time to the early days when we were out there, you know, changing this, the, the,
the, the face of the United States, right? We were hunting, right? We were chopping wood. You're
making things with your own hands. Even people talk about when you're making and cutting your
own vegetables. These are all part of that symbiotic relationship. And if we go back to the basics
instead of process things and, and fake artificial blue light from Dr. Cruz, I think we could actually
overcome a variety of ills, the ills that we talk about of depression, anxiety. Now we know bipolar,
that's almost impossible to, um, to alleviate outside of medication. There's just something
so broken there, right? That if people get off their meds, they just, it's really bad, but
are there parts of anxiety and depression that if you did spend your time having a good diet,
good quality community time with people who love and share interests, diet, exercise, you know, sun,
these things and meditation, could we alleviate a lot of this stuff? And is this another reason why
we are somewhat, um, us versus them in terms of big pharma and you look at the kinds of things,
every, every single time somebody starts bagging on some other thing, they come up with something
new, like go Zempik, right? So that's what I've learned this, uh, over the season.
I, you know, what's interesting is I, um, I've done, uh, ground, I got a grounding sheet.
Right. I extensively feel like I'm sleeping better consistently.
I like that.
Your wife was okay with it? I bought mine and my wife says, no, I'm not, I'm not.
No, she was totally, we put it under a normal sheet. So it's the sheet.
Oh, you do put it under. Okay.
Yeah. We put it under the sheet, but that still works.
It still works. Okay. I was told that it likes it. If you like it, you should have contact with it.
So if you're telling me it has effectiveness underneath the sheet, then that might be a good fit.
That's for me. Um, I've done fasting. Fasting to me has been the most beneficial thing I've probably
ever done for my health. I simply reduced the quantity of food and I have, I basically lost
30 pounds of basic fat. And that was profound. And I've kept it off. Um, I eat two times a day
and on weekends I have dessert. Um, and I may have more than that, but typically on the weekends,
I'm pretty good during the week and I've been able to maintain my weight.
Um, so that's been hands down the most beneficial. Um, I was, uh, doing sun gazing every morning for
five minutes with my eyes closed, but it worked wonderfully. And I've noticed I've been out of
that habit and I feel like my body misses it. It's weird. It's like my body keeps like, dude,
go outside for five minutes, you know? And it's, it's a wild process that happened to me of just
my body started craving sunlight. It was wonderful. Um, and I think, I saw one day and I'm like,
I gotta go get that. And like Dr. Cruz, I've seen a Twitter picture of him. You've got this line of
sunlight, even through, even though it's through a window and all the, and all the mammals, you got
three dogs and two cats lined up only in the sun. Right. And they're like, they get it. Right.
I know. So I, dog just kick it in the sun for like hours. Like two dogs in life, man. Look at this
dog to lay on his back and his stomach to the sun. Totally. Hey, he's, he's tanning the perineum.
Don't forget that's supposed to be important to in the ball, right? Cause you got them.
Uh, so I bought a cold bath and I have not used it yet. Part of that is because it's like 110
degrees here in the summer. So it's hard to do anything in the summer and in the cold,
it's hard to start in the cold. I've, I've bailed on that one. I have not been successful.
Um, I haven't bailed on it. I just haven't gotten to it. I'm still going to get to it because I
haven't, um, I, uh, dramatically reduced my alcohol intake. I think that was another thing that I've,
this year, I kind of said, I'm comfortable with two drinks on the weekend. I don't need to, I'm,
I'm totally comfortable with it. That was actually pretty easy. Uh, the thing that changed,
and I think the thing that I think had the most impact was really the idea of switching my brain
from this won't work to this will work. And that's the idea of manifesting. I think that's really
the core of manifesting is this idea of switching your brain from the negative to the positive
potential. Because when your brain is operating on the positive potential, you're always believing
in yourself and believing that it can happen. And you're looking for the signs of serendipity
because we need serendipity along the way. We need the breadcrumbs. If you're not looking for
the breadcrumbs, you're not going to see them. And you're not going to have the motivation,
the recurrence to keep going when it gets really hard, unless you've developed a maturity to keep
going. Cause if you don't have resilience developed, like I'm trying to teach my kids right now,
how to develop resilience. And it's hard because it requires suffering to learn. It's the hardest
thing. And we want to go, Oh shit, that sucks. But it's staying in that. That's where we learn
what we're capable of to be able to handle it. And then we can let the negative energy hit us,
but not deeply affect us. Cause that's all we have to do is let go of the negative energy.
And I think that's that shift in my brain from I'm instead of assuming this won't work in my life,
I'm going to assume it will. And I think it has dramatically impacted me that shift in my brain.
What about microdosing?
Oh yeah, that's another one. That has had a profound effect on me. But I don't,
I have yet to have a really, I don't want to say that. That's not true. It has made me a much freer
person with the world around. I wasn't on anything last night, but when I was in,
last night I was at Oracle or at the Chase Center in San Francisco to see Gonzaga play San Francisco.
And I had this, this is a moment of elevation of like, what would it feel like? Like that shifting
of brain. I sat there and every single person around me was laughing and smiling at the exact
same time. Wow. And it was weird. I mean, like I'm not talking about like five or 10 people.
I'm talking about hundreds of people because Gonzaga was playing out of their mind. And I
was out of their mind and everybody was into it. And I just looked around.
Are they making a run? Are they making a run for March Madness?
They're trying. They're not, this is probably the weakest team they've had in 20 years.
Okay. They're young. They're young. They don't have a core player defined yet that is elevated.
They don't have that player this year. Anyways, as I'm seeing that and I had this flash, it was like,
is it possible for a humanity to go through a me too movement that shifts them in a way that we
stop that polarity and start loving our neighbor? It's that simple. Just to that
in degree of just loving the person next to you. And it felt in that moment, I had this very deep
sense of experiential feeling of this is what unity feels like. It was one of the more wild
experiences I've ever had in my life. And it only lasted for about four seconds, but it was this
vision of unity where humanity can elevate to a point where it stops fighting so much.
Cause that's the polarities and says, Oh, guess what? The more valuable place to be in is here
in the center. You know, that's what our parents generation was trying to get to after we were
war two is to this place where we were on the same page. We're all going to get out of this war,
roll up our boots and our sleeves. We're all going to work hard. You didn't see, you didn't see the
kind of welfare state everybody was just gunning for getting better. And even African American
community, there's a lot of, especially the married ones with kids tended to do much better.
And then something happened. I don't know if it was after Lyndon Johnson or not, but things
changed from out of people and our bodies too. So I mean, if you look back in the forties and fifties
about in the thirties and forties and fifties about how people looked in their suits, everybody
was thin, live, right? All this stuff was going on. So that actually, so to that point, one of the
things that I've recognized is in my youth, racism was extensive, like extensive. And although we've
dealt with it, I don't feel like we've had a moment. That's the one issue that I think would go the
farthest is this idea of what if we could have a moment of reconciliation collectively between
blacks and whites or whites and people of color, I think is because whites are this group that is
their backs are against the wall and there's gotta be that moment of peace because that's how Paula
Ferrer talked about it is that the, when the oppressed rise up and discover their value,
they don't gain their value back by killing the oppressor, gain it back by lifting the oppressor
up and forgiving them and saying, okay, let's move together collectively forward.
And realistically, can there be this moment where we can extensively deal with this collective
problem of racism in our history and say visually to the people is this is a moment of reconciliation
and whites saying, yeah, that is our lineage. Let's move forward. Can we find forgiveness
and reconciliation? That's what I think. And the reason why I brought that up is I'm in the
process right now of looking at developing a documentary with that idea, because I think that
is one of the biggest potentials for radical change in our communities is the side.
Oh, the PRC as well. You're going to tie into Mandela and the Trade through Reconciliation
Commission in South Africa as well. Very similar kinds of constructs, right?
I guess the question is how do you perpetuate it? Because it seems to me that even though
they made great strides- It's a really important point, but let me speak to it.
I thought about that. The perpetuation problem is the second problem to solve. The first is we need
a landmark moment like a declaration of independence or some landmark movement, like a million man march
thing that says collectively we are starting this process. And I think that's the first thing that
needs to happen. But that is an important question to answer. How do you sustain that movement?
Because there'll be backlash. But they're really-
It's falling apart in South Africa today. Yeah. Today is the day.
It's like, remember when- Do you remember when Obama got elected?
Unfortunately, yes. I know you're not a fan of- I totally get it. But racially,
that is one of the most defining moments in African-American history ever. Because this was
a black man rising to that level to say, okay, we broke through and we're now part of the process.
That was a huge moment. And that's the type of level of event I would love to see happen.
That is something that is landmark, that is collectively- People were weeping because
for the first time they could see the glass ceiling had been broken. That's all I'm thinking of is
how do you create those moments, like what Nate is trying to do, those moments in communities that
are landmark moments. Yeah. All right. Let's go to the next one.
What was it? What do we got next? So all this stuff in our reality is made up of things that are
almost all nothing, no thing. And now as a result, they're looking at the physical part of the atom.
They're seeing that those things, which we thought were solid, are made up of smaller things that
aren't actually solid at all. They're only solid sometimes. They have a potential of being solid.
And so we live in this distorted reality where we think that everything is physical around us,
but it's not. It's all energy. We've been given these five senses, these energetic vibrational
interpretation devices that simulate a physical reality, which is our body suit, right? That can
hear things as if it's really there, but you're not really hearing words that I'm speaking.
Your tympanic membrane is interpreting very specific vibration and energy that I'm speaking
from a mouth that doesn't even really exist and translating it into this conversation. Like if
you're not wowed, then I don't know if you're alive. All right. What do you think, man?
He's right. I mean, you look at a chair and the chair and you can sit in the chair. And if you
really open what that is up, you see that it's actually just a bunch of tightly knit molecules,
right? It's the nature of the wood that for definition, for our audience, let's give the
audience what he means by the part that doesn't exist. It's 99.99999% is empty. Yeah, nothing.
Okay. There's nothing there. Yeah. And now he's talking about the 0.000001% that we think
does now really doesn't. That's the... Yeah. Well, so I mean, but to be fair, I mean, we always
talked about, I mean, there are objects that can pass through a chair, right? There are objects
that are so small, call it a quark or a photon, that it's so small, it could just pass through
a chair like it's going through like a big tree forest, right? Here's a big redwoods and I'm just
passing straight through it. And that's something we know ontologically true, physically true,
true physics in terms of metaphysics, right? But I guess the question I would have is, A,
if it is mostly nothing or it could be potential, does that mean you could change it at will? Does
that mean it could be changed? Does it mean the potentiality and the reality of it could be in
the state of flux? Okay. I'll give you... Let me answer that question because I actually thought
about this the other day. I was playing around with the idea of what if natural laws are simply
things we've agreed to historically that our body has gotten used to over time. So if I smack my
head on a rock, it's going to damage my brain, right? And so I put my hand up against the window
because it was kind of an interesting thing. There was nothing, visually it looked like it was
nothing in front of me, but I could feel the glass and I knew the glass was there, but I thought,
what if the only thing stopping my hand going through this glass is my belief in the law that
the glass is? Because it's just a construct and my world includes the construct of that possibility.
So how then did Jesus, I'm going to use Jesus's example, heal? Because last night I saw a guy
at Chase Center and he was severely handicapped from drug use. And his whole leg, I think, had gout.
Was he a homeless person?
Yeah, he was homeless.
Okay, yeah.
No, I'm sorry. He wasn't at Chase Center. He was at the Starbucks where I met my son for lunch.
And I was going, how did Jesus just go say, I'm going to heal that? That's what I want to be able
to do. And that was the thing is, is it simply because I don't believe I can do it? That's the
question I'm asking for myself right now is, is my limitations created by my own self limitations
to this narrative, this grand narrative, the matrix, when he got out of the matrix, he could
bend the spoon or he contemplates. So that's the question I'm asking right now.
Yeah, he defied the law that he was pre-given, right?
Exactly.
The kid helped him understand that there was no spoon, right? And that's how he was able to bend
it around. And then he got the gift later on.
Jesus disappeared through crowds. How did he do that? You know, like, Jesus is an easy one,
because it's one that most people understand or have heard the stories. Like Jesus healed people,
I would love, I wanted to heal this guy. I don't know why he just caught my attention and I wanted
to heal him. And I thought, man, why am I not, what is stopping me from being able to heal somebody?
It's pride. I had the same thing happen to me multiple times where I've seen somebody in a
wheelchair and there's almost, there's, there's something tugging at you to walk up, lay hands on
him or her and say, I want you to get up out of this wheelchair and risk the embarrassment and
laughing stockness of the whole process when it doesn't happen. And in the back of our minds,
we're thinking that I've had that feeling, right? You know, like, you're not, you can, you can see
it a hundred people, but every now and then you've got that. And it's like, damn it. Is that the tug?
Is that something that I should have acted on? Right. In terms of like even a homeless person,
right? You see a hun, they're asking for money and they're coming up with cute little new signs.
Hey, fuck it. Or like flipping it over and this is all positive and like, just like,
it's all positive and like, just give me a beer, right? I mean, sometimes it's really funny.
And sometimes it's just that, and there are times where you, you feel like there's eye contact and
I damn it, I should have probably given that guy something, something about that. It's not just
the one in the masses, right? Cause you can't do that every day, right? You can't just have
handful of ones and tens and fives and now that are all day. So is, is that what you think it
might be? In my mind, that's, that's what would be holding me back is that I'm going to look like
it has to be it's self limitation, but I don't know what the limiters are. Yeah. Like I fundamentally
it's, and the only thing I could agree to is that historically my body has always been trained.
I can't break that construct. And, but what if it's simply the limitation, my body is accepted
throughout its history. Like how many bodies has my, I have DNA from whoever was first.
That's the reality. We all have DNA from the first person and there's a split, but it's
hundreds and thousands of bodies in between, or I don't know how many it is. I'd be curious to
actually know that number, but there's a break and there's a learned process. Like I am my lines,
historical record of survival. That's what I am. Yeah. And so is it that survival requires agreeing
to that construct? I don't know. Cause Jesus transcended it and Jesus has always been the best
example of living that I've ever found. And, um, he could heal and even said, we could heal. And I,
I, that's the one thing that like when my mom was dying, I wanted to be able to heal her, you know,
of course she just have heart failure and I wanted to be able to heal her. So that's the question
that I'm kind of contemplating, uh, is that, um, do I have the capacity and is it simply because
that's the matrix? Cause that's the rule of the matrix and Neo was able to transcend the nature
matrix. I think that, um, we talked about having, um, somebody I used to know from church who was
healed herself and she's been doing a lot of ministry, very, very charismatic movement. She
might be great to have on board to help us make that next step into the share stories.
Someone who's guilty of somebody. Um, not, not, not individually, not, not, not in the way we want
to talk about, right. It always comes down to the withered hand, right? Here's a kid from birth,
congenital withered hand. And this guy came up and healed that hand, that hand is now completely
made whole as what we've heard about in the Bible, right? Where the guy was born blind and Jesus
asks, you know, was it his fault or the sins of the father? It said scales fell from his eyes.
Yeah. You know, there's a couple of different versions. There's one where he actually makes a
mud and other times he just heals. But then there's one where that he looks like there's spindly
things, which people give physiological actual healing processes, because that's what happens
when people come out of a blind state and can heal again. But what we're getting at is can we find
something where, you know, this person was in a wheelchair, but they were just bound there for
like three years and they just couldn't really do it. I mean, show me, you know, stage four cancer
on Tuesday, and show me that eradication on Wednesday by going to that faith healer in the
same lung, right? Here's the, here's the x-ray. Here's the Mayo Clinic. Here is, you know, what
is it? What's the, what's his name? Joel Osteen's church in Texas. Here's Joel Osteen's church.
Here's waving. Here's up on stage. And, and we took it, we took an x-ray after he left the premises
and it's gone, right? I think that, I mean, even look at me, I mean, I'm, I'm a believer, right?
And I don't even call myself a cessationist, you know, cessationist believe that all of the healings
that we've seen in the, in the Bible were relegated to the, you know, first century as the apostles
continue to grow and expand. And we see obviously Paul raised-
Do you learn that from John MacArthur? No, cessationism is something that a lot of
conservatives- I'm teasing you, bro. I'm teasing.
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't learn much from John MacArthur. Thank God.
Yeah. You know, John MacArthur is a cessationist. So a very good friend of mine. Yeah. He's one of
the strictest cessationists I've ever, for those who don't know cessationism, what was it? You
explained it. What was it? Cessationism is the belief that all of the Holy Spirit gifts that
were breathed upon the apostles at Pentecostal, what Jesus promised them. And what we actually
saw in the book of Acts with Peter, actually, yeah, Peter actually healed a woman named Tabitha
or Dorcas. She was dead. And then Paul healed, rose somebody from the dead. He fell, he was
falling asleep during one of Paul's sermons, falls out the window, drops down dead. And Paul
heals him completely, brings him back from, from the dead, right? So we actually have
resurrections, but Jesus did tell us greater things you will do than I did. And yet,
cessations believe that after the apostles left and that first group were gone, it kind of,
it kind of ended. That was the, that was supposed to be the first. Did it include all the gifts
or just speaking in tongues? Cause I thought it was just speaking in tongues. No, it would include
one-on-one healings. So when we talk, John MacArthur would not deny the fact that if we've got
the entire church, we had this happen to us at our church in Ventura Missionary. We were all,
I was at a, I was at a prayer group with my, my good mentor and friend. My wife was at a
women's Bible study. We had a friend driving down to San Diego and we hear that one of the
amazing ladies of the church, her name was Janice. She was on her deathbed. Everybody's like, she's
toast, right? Everybody's stopped what you're doing and pray. And we all pray. We prayed for
a freaking hour. Did pray to the Psalms. It was incredible, active community work. My wife was
praying. These guys stopped, pulled over by the side of the road and started praying that the
attending nurse became a believer because she pulled out of it. She said, she was a dead woman
walking. I am going to be whatever you guys just did there, whatever this was all about, I want,
I want to be a part of this. And it was amazing. She was the nurse and she says, whatever happened,
there was an absolute miracle. And we all took credit as a community. Now what, what we're seeing
today is individual people, Benny Hinn or somebody, we're hearing people, raising people from the
dead and African stuff. But what I'm getting at is I don't think, I think a lot of people are
skeptical of still those one-on-one things like God heal me. Right. And all of a sudden I have this,
you know, addiction to heroin and you know, God can do that. We can see God coming to people and
dreams in the middle East and people who are Muslim are seeing Jesus and saying, I want to become a
Christ follower now. Right. I've met a gentleman who brought someone back to life. And one of the
most sincere people I've ever met, uh, he, so I worked at a, at a Christian organization,
yeah, city team. Um, and he was basically their spokesman for a lot of their worldwide ministries.
And he was extremely genuine and he brought a man back who had been dead for five hours.
So it wasn't, it was documented. The entire town was there. He did it in front of
an, a large group of people. He read the guy, the guy was like, uh, was he on a monitor?
So he had been dead for five hours when my friend arrived in the village. It was kind of like, uh,
um, Oh, it was a village. Okay. He wasn't hooked up to a monitor. Okay. Yeah. So every, no, he was,
there was no monitor. He was dead on a table in a hut. That's, that's what it was like. Um,
and the whole, they're like, okay, there's nothing. He had stopped. He was cold. So full cold. Um,
so he had been in rigor mortis and he came back and he came back to life. And it's hard to,
like, I'm not against the more that I study energy, the more that I realized how
historically what Jesus and Paul and Peter were doing was a movement of energy. Um, I can't
remember what her name is, but she says all life is the manipulation of energy. And Jesus used it
for positive cause you can use it for negative, but Jesus used it for positive. Peter healed
someone, uh, for the positive reason for it. Of course. Um, and I think that's partly why our
bodies don't let us see it is because we're not mature enough to handle that kind of responsibility.
That would be a, I mean, I don't believe in the, I don't know about Benny Hinn. I've heard stories
that he's very real in some respects, and I'm sure we've seen it looks fantastical where it's
almost silly, but at the same time, what if it's real? I mean, it has to be real to some extent.
You can't manufacture a 30 to 40 year career out of fakery. That's just not possible. Um,
he's come around. He's actually become a little bit less. Um, I mean, when you've got all those
people and he's like, there's a great song about let the bodies hit the floor. I don't know if you
ever heard that. That's so funny. I've seen that video and then they're all just lurching and stuff.
Here's the other thing that I always try to get out of that. It's great to have these wonderful
movements of elation and being slain in the spirit and stuff, but then what do you go out and do with
that? Right. And it's the same thing about the reconciliation thing. It's about also that, that
awesome feeling of, of everybody's smiling and laughing a hundred people around you at the
Gonzaga game. And, um, you can't live in that forever, but it does give you a glimpse of what
something like that could look like. And yet how do you live in an area of you're not in overdrive,
you're not doing 180 miles an hour, but you're cruising along at 80 and everybody's looking at
the, and everybody's working together and not having the same kind of speed bumps that we have
all the time. So here's my question. This is what got me because right before I went in the game,
I watched this video about elevating your life. And the concept is, and, uh,
Cleburne talked to all about this is that we're going to reach a point where we elevate.
And is that, is that elevation a moment? Cause that's what was happening in that four seconds.
It was almost like a foreshadowing of what Cleburne was talking about was what if I wake up one day
and the shift has happened? What would you do with that when you're already like the elevation
process, what if it's going to dramatically knock you on your ass because it's going to be so good?
Um, I'm looking for the good and I'm wondering if what that shift looks like, if it, you know,
what he was talking about, I think that's probably one of the biggest biohacks that I've really taken
on this year is this idea that I am intimately source. I am, that's what Jesus said. Jesus said,
I am, and I've taken on that idea now for almost a year. And I think it's pro that to me is probably
the most profound link that has made the rest really, really good. Um,
so I still differ with you on this because when Jesus says I am, he's, he's quoting, um,
I am that I am he's, he's in, it's again, it's John eight 58 and he is literally claiming divinity at
that stage. Right? So he's not just saying, I am Cleburne or I am happy and I'm, I am positive
energetic level. Yeah. He's a
because he goes, Oh, who are you? You, you, you, you know, Abraham goes before Abraham was, I am
right. Right. Are you saying you're greater than father? And then that's when they're like,
okay, this guy is freaking, this guy's an absolute blasphemer. And what I'm getting, one of the things
that I was going to laugh about when, when, right, when you've talked about like, I am God and I am,
I am fully God, I am part of that construct. I'm like, just, just give me a, give me, give the
audience just a little glimpse of what that moment of creation was like when you breathe life into
the world, Jonathan, just help me understand just that moment of revelation as you, as you create it.
Cause I, and I want you to be, I want you to tell me what that experience was like. Just give me a
little hint. Uh, I started this idea on my walk with my dog. So that's where I really get into it
consistently. I talk about this idea in my head with myself as I walk my dog. It's my meditation
time. It's my, I'm creative. I shoot reels, I have thoughts, I take thousands of notes. And
as I started seeing this possibility, at first it was a possibility of what if I am like, that was
the first question. And I thought, what if, can I logically be, and I answered that question and I
sent you a text that night. Cause I said, if I can love, that means I am love because I'm part of
love. I have love to give. That means I'm connected to source. So all you have to be able to do to
prove that you are connected to God or a part of God is that you are capable of loving. So to love,
which is the greatest commandment is simply a call to this idea that you are already connected. You
are part of God, but you're the individual expression of God on earth. And there's millions
of those. So at a subatomic level, you're all one, but your individual expressions that are
radically mentally disturbed through thousands of years of history saying you suck. And we are
reaching a point where we're waking up to the reality that we don't suck. That's the epoch that
I think is happening. And I think people are waking up like I'm Jonathan in this body, but we're not
doing it from our own divinity. We're doing it from something extent. Neo, and this is the argument
that I've been making Neo knew something was driving him and it wasn't him. It was not him.
Jonathan is this world's my avatar. But I remember, and this is a moment in my life that I've never
forgotten. I remember the first day I could write my name, Jonathan. Okay. Or I was Johnny when I
was a kid. So I was writing Johnny, I was in my bed. It was nine o'clock at night. I had been in
bed for an hour. I was four or five and I learned it in kindergarten, I think. I pulled the cover
out. I had a flashlight and I wrote my name. I was so proud of that. But that's the moment I became
an avatar. Before that, I had no consciousness of identity. Yeah. I didn't need one. And that is-
Well, your brain develops too, right? That's where you learn abstractions. You got to a point where
kids don't forget, there's a place and time where kids don't know anything other than themselves.
They can't think outside of themselves. They can't think in third party. There's a great story,
I forgot it, but it's about the pirate and about like somebody would have actually hid something.
And like, why would you have thought that? You're only seeing what's observable to you instead of
thinking what somebody else might have done to change that situation.
Well, I'm seeing that right now with my grandson, Kasen. He's not capable of seeing himself
separate from his mom. So when his mom goes into the garage for a second, he freaks out because
he doesn't know where he is. That's what he's experiencing. And because he only sees his mom as
himself. That's because they're one in the same. And I think what's happened is by taking on that,
first I took on the possibility, then I took on the opportunity and says, let's try this idea out.
What is the cost? And I was very careful going into that saying, I'm going to listen to the results
very clearly. And by seeing myself as source and connected to God, I am.
It, I think solves the problem in the Garden of Eden, which is the, am I good or evil? I am a
collective representation of both as an expression in the world living that out, but there's full
grace. That's what the cross did. The cross established grace was already true. It's always
been true since the Garden. Everything was good and living into that reality that I am fully
connected. And then I think this is the birth of an age where we are going to see the fullest
expression. That's how God works. God always comes in, in the end, we've had. In two thousand year
increments, sounds like, because why did God choose 2000 years ago to come in and finally say,
here's the evidence of the cross, right? Or he took the Roman empire. He took a terrible
kinds of thing. He took a potential scripture from Isaiah talks about, he'll be pierced for
our transgressions, like nailed to the cross. So, I mean, we always wonder about those things. The
law would give them hundreds of years beforehand. It's not perfect to the 2000, but it took 2,500
years for the original law for the 10 commandments to show up. How Merabi's law had been there. So I
think you're 2000 years, but to that point, it's taken us 2000 years to really acknowledge that
grace is true. The church is waking up to, okay, grace is true. We got to get over ourselves.
And it's embracing that. Like when I was a kid, grace was there, but hey, stay away from it.
Cause there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a caveat. Yeah. You didn't want to give
license. Everybody was worried about license. And here's the reality. There is license. Hitler is in
heaven people. He is, he's there. And it's not that he, cause here's the reality. Any
location we go to. I thought he has to go through eons of tribulation. But he's there. Cause there
is no time. There is no time. That's true. He's there. It's a representation. It's an avatar like
me of possibility. That's all Hitler is. He's a representation of possibility of the human idea
in this narrative we call life, the matrix. And he's going to be there. So the question is not,
how do I get him out of heaven? But how do I learn to deal with him being there? And you can only do
that through love. Yeah. You can only do that through love. Because love. He killed 80 million
people. Mao is not going to make it. He's telling you. I know. And that's the hard part of the king
of God is that it includes the criminal. It did. Jesus was crucified with two criminals to his left
and right. And that, that is the one I think burns people the most, but we never, because if you and
I are both the God image at a subatomic level, we're both avatars having different expressions
of the same idea. I don't want, I don't want to kill you because you're me. And that's what I
think we're waking. That's what mindfulness is waking us up to. That I think the world is,
and I think Gen Z is halfway there, that they're tired of fighting against each other,
but they don't know how to love each other. They've been, the polarization is only possible
when you lose the concept of love. And that's why evangelical church, which was the voice box for
most of America, took us in a wrong path. It got away from love and went to politics. And that is
what there is a progress. So there's they've moved from wanting to kill each other to not wanting
to go to, they're too tired of that. And they're too beat up from all the bullshit. Now they just
need to learn to love. There's still a ton of us older folks that are still willing to bring up
arms. We're still, we're still at the level of fighting. Well, also I want to say in terms of
love, I'm not saying love just means, oh, let's have a woo woo woo woo woo experience where we
just deal with our people. It's not. Love is the judgment of good. It's saying, Rich, you are good.
So I'm not going to kill you. Okay. And in that space, we deal with those people who break that
law. That's the only law there is, is the law of love. That's it. There's no other laws. We create
laws, but the only law that exists in the universe is the law of love. That says you are good. You're
here. Guess what? The first law of thermodynamics is you're here. Now you got to deal with it. So
that's consciousness. And if we don't wake up to removing those conflicts, but I think this is
Scott's story anyway. So we're just participants in, and that's the mystery of it is as Alan Watts
said, we're going to wake up and go, Oh, that was a cool dream. That's my, that's my, that's my one
big Trump card is, is that I think Alan Roth's got it right. So we're going to wake up realizing
we are God who has played a trick on ourselves so we could have a good laugh. Yep. So that's a good
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