Welcome to Living in the Matrix.
I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.
And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more
to the right, but the bottom line is,
is together we try to look for the balance
of what it means to be human in today's world.
All right, let's get started everyone.
This is a welcome to Living in the Matrix.
I'm Jonathan.
This is my cohost Rich.
Say hello, Rich.
Hey everybody.
Hope everybody's having a great week
and looking forward to this podcast and weekends upon us.
Yeah, I have been looking forward to this one.
So today we have Lindsey Karakart.
Did I say that right?
Karakarty.
And she is a mental projector
and she discusses ascending and awakening.
And she has this podcast called The Matrix Detox.
We're very much aligned.
We're very looking forward to having you on.
Welcome.
Thank you, thank you guys.
I'm happy to be here too.
Super excited to dive in
and see what we come up with to talk about today.
Absolutely.
So why don't we start by,
we named this Living in the Matrix
because Rich asked me the question,
do you think we're living in a simulation?
And I said, yes.
And so we just began by talking to people
who kind of had that sense of discussion
and we're pretty fairly convinced we are,
both physiologically from a scientific level
and also from a physiological world.
And so what is your understanding of The Matrix
and how did it, where did,
what shaped your definition of it?
Yeah, I love that.
And I definitely totally agree with you guys.
Like, you know, and I always think about the quote,
what is it, like life imitates art
or does art imitate art?
Yes.
There's just like, the circle.
And so for me, you know, I wasn't always so kind of aware
and empowered in my life.
I spent a lot of years in a lot of disempowerment
and very, very, very, you know,
just hijacked by this thing called The Matrix, this life.
So, but then as I started to awaken and I started to see,
and I started to just expand in my consciousness,
it just became so obvious for me that like,
first of all, there,
and I went through all the phases of like,
oh, there's no God, you know, there is a God,
there is a divine presence, there isn't.
I had to have all those battles within myself
until I came to the place where it's like, okay,
I can no longer like deny
that there is some intelligence running the show.
There's obviously an intelligence
and all of these things that, you know,
some people like to write off as coincidences.
I'm like, there's just too many synchronicities
and too many things and too many patterns
that are constantly repeating themselves
that it just became so obvious to me
that there is this perfectly designed thing
that we are experiencing that perfectly
and so accurately wakes us up and reflects back to us,
you know, and I remember back in the day,
like when The Matrix movies came out, you know,
watching those and being in the theater and being like,
oh, like this is really, you know,
and it kind of like just striking a chord.
And then as I went on through my life
and I went deeper and deeper into my awakening
and down the rabbit hole of consciousness
and all of those things, it just started to,
it's like that visceral feeling of like,
this is the truth, right?
When you just know-
It's intellectual, yeah.
It's literally, it's passing through you.
It's like, even like what's crazy about Neo
when he takes that protocol, that when he takes the red pill,
it's a digital kind of tracking device
so that they can actually go rescue him.
I mean, it literally looks like it's going through him
and he's doing this, but it's actually,
I mean, crazily enough, it's in his head, right?
Cause it's a digital projection,
mental projection of his digital self, right?
And so, but yet at the same time, it's right there, right?
And then you realize that it's all, it's both, right?
It's both and, right?
Both and, yes, 100%.
So Lindsay, what did you grow up?
Where?
What was your thought process growing up?
Was it atheist, Christian, Catholic?
What was your thought, Buddhist?
What?
Yeah, no.
So I was born into a Catholic family.
I come from quite a mix, a little bit of Italian, Cuban,
Scottish, you know, so a lot of Catholicism.
And I heavily rejected that after my teenage years.
I was like, absolutely not.
Cause I remember being a kid and going to mass
and just feeling like the judgment
and the hypocrisy in there.
And even as a kid, before I even understood being like,
okay, this doesn't make sense.
They keep talking about God,
but why is everybody judging each other?
Right.
Yeah.
Here's my take on that.
Cause I'm contemplating that exact idea right now.
Christianity has missed grace for 2000 years.
Yeah.
And it's waking up to grace.
There's a, it's beginning to realize grace
is the only way everybody wins
that is effectively consistent with love.
And I am, how, where did your awakening start?
What really triggered that to say,
okay, screw Catholicism, what's next?
What happened?
Yeah.
Well, so, so from about the time I graduated high school
until I was about 33,
I really struggled with addiction, drug addiction.
Did you go to Catholic high school?
No.
So I did go to Catholic school.
I went to public school.
And you know, my family wasn't overly like religious.
It was like, we were like, what, you know,
we would go to the mass on Christmas Eve.
Of course.
Yep.
I did all my little, my confirmation, my communion.
I did all of those things,
but it was always very just like,
I'm just going through the motions.
I was not deeply connected to it.
And then, yeah, like I struggled.
I struggled with a lot of anxiety, depression,
drug addiction, alcoholism.
And it wasn't until when I started trying
to get sober in my twenties.
What was your struggle choice?
So heroin and cocaine.
What was your drug choice?
Yeah, cocaine.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, alcohol, all of them really, but those.
Yeah.
To me, heroin is like going to Mars.
It's a completely different experience.
And that's part of the allure of it.
I used drugs heavily in college.
I was addicted and I actually overdosed.
Yeah.
Because here's the thing,
in that process of not awakening,
you have to have a coping mechanism.
Yeah.
That's why drugs are sobering.
I appreciate you sharing that
because when people demonize drugs
and when you look at them as a coping mechanism,
it allows you to put them where they should be,
which is okay.
They're supposed to take care of the short term,
but they don't take care of the long term.
Totally.
Would you say that it started off as a coping mechanism
or actually as pure exploration?
Because I know, like if you think about Jim Morrison, right?
Yeah, Jim Morrison, I think escaped through alcohol, right?
We see him in movie, but at the same time,
he wanted to break on through
because I believe he almost intellectually
and spiritually wasn't content with this world.
He wanted more.
And I think the psychonauts that people are,
the ones that are willing to go down the path of LSD
in the early 50s and 60s,
they were, and like Timothy Leary,
I don't know if he was doing LSD thousands of times to cope
or if he was just really trying to break through
a different realm.
And you think about musical artists,
the most famous artists that were influenced by this.
And so did it start off for you as a coping mechanism
or did you also have an exploratory journey to say,
what the hell's else out there?
Tell us a little bit about that.
Yeah, I think both, definitely both.
Because I was definitely, in my teenage years,
I was definitely one of those people that was like,
I'm not gonna say no to anything.
I'm just here to like try,
I just wanna have the full experience.
So it was definitely impulsive.
I was definitely reckless.
And then it very quickly became a coping mechanism
because I started to discover that like,
when I had these substances,
especially the heavy duty ones,
it was like, I didn't have to deal with the overwhelming,
like emotion and angst and just the heaviness
of all of my thoughts and the pressures inside of myself.
It's one of the-
It gave me inspiration, yeah.
It's one of the primary values of drugs,
mostly illicit or psychedelic,
is that they allow you to feel what it's like to be human
or what you think humanity should feel like.
Yeah.
And it's like, it's pretty damn good.
It's like, it's not purely escape.
It's also about experience.
Totally.
I agree.
Totally.
Okay, so where did your awakening kind of take you to?
Friends and that, yeah.
What's next?
Yeah, yeah.
So when I like tried getting sober in my 20s,
I would have these moments
where I would come back to like spirituality.
At that point, I was still very much like,
oh, I'm like, I'm an agnostic.
I won't admit that there's like God,
but I think that there's something.
And I was very drawn into nature.
But it wasn't until my early 30s
that I actually had like a full spiritual awakening
and I got sober.
And it was literally like overnight,
I had just gotten myself to such a terrible low point
where I had almost died.
I was practically on death's doorstep.
Can't believe I didn't overdose.
Something kept bringing me back.
And I had this moment where it was like overnight,
all of my entire perspective on life shifted.
And it was like, I just surrendered
to the higher intelligence and I stopped fighting.
You know what?
That was really the moment of like awakening for me
where then I started to like bring in all of these
like various books would come my way.
You know, in the beginning, it was a lot of yoga,
a lot of Buddhism, mindfulness,
that kind of spirituality that wasn't so dogmatic,
but was helping me to understand like,
there is something so much more than just this physical
realm that I was trying to make sense of.
So that's where it really took off.
And that was about 10 years ago now.
Looking back, who would you say is one person
that really influenced you?
Like the thing that kind of turned the wheel for you?
I would probably say-
Or a book?
Yeah, that was-
What was-
Everywhere I was going was a book.
And it's gonna be, so Pimma Chodron,
she is a Buddhist monk and she writes these books.
And she has a book called, The Places That Scare You.
It found me, right?
Like this book came-
Well, it just found me.
Yeah.
Seriously.
And I just cannot forget opening this book
and reading these passages,
like she was just speaking directly to me.
And it was the first time in my life,
I felt like someone understood,
like what I had been going through and what I had felt
and why I was so overwhelmed.
And I'm like, you know,
like she's like this little old Buddhist monk
and she's just so fun.
And she talks in such like a relatable way.
It totally like, you know, when you meet somebody
or you read something or you find something
that challenges like your whole paradigm about something.
So she was that for me.
And she challenged my whole paradigm
about anything religious,
which just cracked me open to so much more.
But what made it feel safe?
Yeah.
What was that?
What made it feel safe for you?
I think it was, it was so, in reading her words,
for the first time in my life was finally like,
there's nothing wrong with me.
Like if this person is like a Buddhist monk
and she gets this and she's talking about it,
like it's so normal.
All of this stuff I had in my head that I thought,
like I had so much shame and self judgment
and like I'm broken or something wrong with me.
The world is judging me.
Cause I was judging myself.
All of a sudden it was like,
there's actually nothing wrong with me.
And I think that was the foundation for me
to start feeling safe.
And then of course I went deeper into all of my healing
and stuff like that, but that's where it started.
I love it.
One of the things that reminds me of
is you can tell that this woman has a gift
and she's tapped into the source
because the way that book affected you
meant true intentionality and true energy
that flowed through the book.
You look at the Tao, right?
You look at even the Bible,
you look at Marcus Aurelius' meditations
and the impact that they've had.
And when you go in and you read those passages,
it's not just an intellectual understanding of the words.
You literally can feel the presence of the lived power
and what's been pushed through.
I mean, Latsu, who wrote the Tao,
you could just tell,
I mean, they actually said he was born.
Donal was gonna ask you about this
because they said when he was born,
he had this funny story about being born with a beard.
It means like old boy is what his name means.
I was thinking the curious case of Benjamin Button
who was born and he literally lived like a Tao life, right?
He just took what happened, just rolled with the waves,
kind of just accepted what it was.
It was such a crazy juxtaposition of ideas,
but those are the kinds of things that I'm searching for,
right, those things where you find a great book
or you meet a good person
and you actually feel the knowledge of transparency,
not just intellectually,
but it literally goes through you like Kairos, right?
Like it's not just linear time like Kronos,
but it's Kairos, it's living through you.
And I just find that fascinating.
So what were a couple of the things you learned
out of the book,
because you fascinated me and Jonathan in the book already.
What were some of the things?
Yeah, what were the couple of things
that really just resonated with you
that you would like to share?
So there's a line that still literally sticks in my head
that I remember reading it where she writes about
that the nature of like being human
is that we are warriors that are being trained
to sit with discomfort and discontent.
And that instead of, that was so profound for me
because obviously my drug use in my journey,
it was all avoidance.
So then all of a sudden here was somebody telling me
that no, actually the thing that I'm trying to avoid
is my training.
It was a bubble, no.
That is avoidance, but you're creating the actual war.
There is warfare, right?
You're trying to avoid it, but you can't.
You're in the middle of the trenches, right?
It's so crazy.
And I just like, that hit me like a dart right in the heart.
It was that.
And then she breaks down
like all of these cycles of how we create our own suffering.
And it's just, I was so ready to hear that
because it was like in my awakening
and my expansion of my consciousness,
it was like, I was so ready to understand
that I was not a victim of life,
that I was creating all of it.
And so when she would break down all the various ways,
cause you know, Buddhism, like that's their whole, right?
It's like how we create our own suffering
and being all in the samsara and everything else.
And I just was like, where has this been all my life?
Like, where has this teaching been all of my life?
You know, that's just, it's a hundred percent the grasping,
the clinging, the aversion, you know,
all of those aspects of the Buddhist teachings
that she was breaking down.
And I was just like, I literally felt like this person
had been watching me through my life
and that she was like writing this book
based on all the crazy shit that I had,
sorry, I hope it's okay.
If I get hurt.
It was perfectly okay.
You can see F-bombs all the time.
You can see, yeah, this is a free,
it's a totally safe space here.
You can say whatever the heck you want to.
Good, good, good.
Yeah, yeah, so that's it.
I literally just felt like she had written this book
like watching me.
And within a moment of reading it,
I was like, I am not crazy.
I am actually, this is all happening perfectly.
You might have been ready for it earlier, right?
Yeah, in your 30s too, right?
I mean, what a crazy age, right?
We see about the spiritual awakening in your 30s.
Jesus really didn't start preaching until, you know,
I think he was in his 30s, right?
That's what they say.
I'm not sure about that, but who knows, right?
Yeah.
28, 29, Saturn return happens.
And that's like a whole thing within ourselves.
Yep.
Yeah.
So at the point of your awakening,
because you're suffering of creating your own,
I completely agree.
We create our own suffering.
To wake up to that reality and realize,
oh, I don't have to create suffering.
And when I do, I actually can enjoy life amazingly.
That's the thing that, what happened for you?
How did it turn for you from this old way of living
to a new way of living?
What did that look like?
Yeah, so like I said,
so there was a very distinct profound moment
where a huge shift happened for me.
And that was when I was sitting in this yard
where I had gone for detox
and I was trying to decide what I was gonna do next.
If I was gonna go home
or if I was gonna surrender
and go to this longer term program.
And I am freaking out and I am crying
and I'm like chain smoking cigarettes.
And I'm like, I don't know what to do.
And there's like this beautiful blue sky
and I'm sitting there and I'm looking up at the sky
and I'm like, and I like literally said to myself,
just guide me, right?
I'm done.
And from that moment on,
it was like I went from being this very like stubborn,
hard headed, like I know what's best.
I was very angry to just being open to like,
I will do whatever people suggest.
And from that moment on,
it became like this slide of just various like people,
teachers, books.
You know, when I started off doing a 12 step program,
because that felt right for me at the time.
And that helped me get a really good foundation of life,
not using drugs and alcohol.
So that's where I really started to like learn to,
be vulnerable and actually ask people for help
and let people guide me.
Because before that, I was very shut down to,
just this like negative interpretation of people, right?
Everybody's out to hurt me, all of that.
So that's where I really started to learn that.
And then it was like, I just was so open.
It was like God, spirit, source
was just working in every moment.
And that's where I really started to see
like all of the synchronicities.
That's where I really started to see
like the power of my thoughts, right?
Because I would think something and it would happen.
And you know how you have like that moment
where you're like, what?
Like, did I really just create that?
And like it becomes so obvious that you are creating it
and that the world is reflecting back to you perfectly.
And in that first year, especially of my sobriety,
I did a lot of really deep, like just self-reflection
and like spiritual, psychological work on myself,
where I really, really, really dove into my own mind
and my own programs and really got,
that's why I said at the beginning, I love the curiosity
because that's what it was for me.
It was like, I became curious about everything
in life and internally,
instead of like shutting it down and judging it.
Well, I think that's the switch in the brain.
People start judgmental.
They start from a place because, you know,
from a baby you're born into life
and it's not always friendly.
So it's easy to become judgmental.
It's almost a survival state.
Yeah.
And to release yourself from that space
and shift back into curiosity,
it's not only more life giving, it's a lot easier.
You know, it's like, it's hard to judge yourself
in the world around you
because we get it wrong all the time.
We sure do.
All the time.
Well, but you're right.
We actually have to learn the fear
because as a baby, you don't have that, right?
You're just pure awe and wonder.
We need healthy fear.
Yeah.
Basically. That's true.
That's true.
Because that's a great question, Rich,
because I think, you know, the consciousness of what life,
like what is the purpose of the amygdala?
That's the thing that protects you.
This is the thing.
And what is its real job?
It's basically to keep you from doing really stupid things
that will harm yourself.
That's it.
That's all it really needs.
Like it's watching for the rock or the car
that may be coming at you,
but it's mostly like, don't hurt yourself.
Right.
And if we can back it off controlling your life
to just playing that part
now it's like, we don't have to kill the ego.
Let's redeem it so it can play its normal part.
Right.
And that is to protect you from normal things.
And then there is an act of God,
but it's mostly about that.
And then from there you shift to curiosity.
It's like, okay, I can,
it's only in the space of curiosity
that you can see the synchronicity.
Yes.
Because that's where it allows you
to see the dot connecting.
Yes.
Because if you don't, now-
Because you're judged when you can't.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
You can't get conspiratorial
and you can try to set things up
and try to false predict things.
And you're always looking for that next thing.
We see that a lot with the cue kind of movement and stuff.
And a lot of stuff you see on X today
has a lot of these things,
these drops that are just gonna happen in the storm.
But at the same time,
if you really are connected into that,
into the source and you're not distracted.
So there is a difference between
trying to self-fulfill things
without truly truly being aligned, right?
So when we talk about manifestation,
we do know that our hearts and our head
needs to be aligned on that intentionally willfully.
Dr. Joe talks about that, right?
Hawkins. Yeah.
But if you're missing a component of that,
if your heart isn't aligned with your head
and you've got that kind of divine feminine
and masculine working at your disposal,
then you are probably gonna get a little confused
and start second guessing, right?
I love that you guys brought that up.
Cause like one of the biggest things that stands out to me
with all of like the community that's like truthers, right?
Or the awakened community or whatever, right?
Like beyond labels,
but everybody has something they identify with.
But one of the- Labels are how we describe, yeah.
It's like one of the biggest things I see out there
is like a really big lack of discernment, right?
It's like, so you think you're awake,
but you're still needing someone
to tell you what to think, right?
And that's not like, you're just talking,
when we have that connection and we're genuinely
like aligning ourselves with that consciousness of source,
of oneness, of Christ, God, whatever you wanna call it.
It's like, you start to be able to see
like as you're navigating it
and instead of reacting and judging things,
it's like, you get curious and you're like,
okay, something about this doesn't feel correct
or something about this isn't right.
It's getting my attention
because it's like all of the time,
I get people on some of my content
that say the wildest things, like,
those would be one of my tattoos
and they'll be like, oh, who's she working?
And it's like, oh my gosh,
you're literally seeing this filter everywhere.
It's like you're literally closing yourself off
to some of the most powerful, expansive messaging
because you're blinded by what, like you said,
trying to force this prophecy, whatever, to be fulfilled.
It's wild to watch.
It's happening now.
People want this perfect red heifer to be,
if you go back to the people who want the rapture to happen,
they're trying to find the perfect red heifer
so that it could be sacrificed
or the temple can be rebuilt
and then we could do all those silly things
in the book of Revelation
that for a lot of people
should be taken more symbolically and not literally,
especially when Jesus supposedly came
and took away all the sacrifices, right?
So that's a different path,
but I love exactly where you're going in all this regard,
but I did wanna touch on something you talked about
in one of your posts.
And that was this idea
that you can be caught under somebody's spell.
So, and I think that as,
even if you think about a massive,
if you go think about Burning Man, there is vibration.
And if you think about like house music
and people are really feeling good
and they're kind of high, let's say they're rolling,
they're actually in that.
And there is really good positive energy.
But at the same time,
and I don't know if this is conspiratorial,
but like when Taylor Swift gets up on stage
and she's on a cube, which is Saturn
and people are freaking just,
she's feeding off of that energy.
And my friend was telling me this and I'm like,
wait a minute, maybe that's not off.
I see cubes all over the place.
And is there something to that?
Right?
So the question, yeah, right?
So is that a real thing where people are like,
listen, I love this power.
I love being at the center of this.
And I'm, all these people are screaming,
loving me and adoring me.
And I'm gonna soak that up, right?
Is that not accurate?
I don't know.
It's so accurate.
I mean, I think that's so,
it's one of the things that I've really, really,
really like reflected and contemplated on because,
as someone doing business online,
I mean, you guys know, right?
You have a podcast, you have social media, right?
You have a message you're sharing out there.
And in the digital world, it's like, I totally,
when I started my business as a coach, as a mentor,
and I was putting my stuff out there,
I was caught in this, like, this spell, if you will,
of like, oh, like, let me try to be famous, right?
And then as I was going about my path,
I started to realize very quickly,
like, it's not about that.
And nobody that's like bringing my message,
bringing what I talk about is ever gonna be like,
quote unquote, famous on that level,
because there's something,
and it never quite sat right with me.
When you look at the level of fame
that some celebrities achieve,
there's nothing organic about that.
No, correct.
There's nothing, it's not organic.
It's not, it's not happenstance either,
in many ways, right? Right.
Yeah, yeah.
So, it's just so orchestrated, and it is.
It's like such a spell, and it's such a,
it's like a loop, it's like a,
it's like a manufactured loop,
because in our truest self, right?
Like, when we really connect with our divine selves,
and we're in that higher consciousness,
it's like, there is nothing outside of you
that would bring that level of adoration and obsession,
and just the craziness that you see
with fans of things like that. It's crazy.
You know what I mean? And it's changing a lot, right?
I mean, we're literally looking at her changing
the trajectory of an election.
And everybody's thinking, okay, at the end of the game,
Kelsey's gonna get down on his knee,
and he's gonna propose to her, right?
And imagine what that did for the NFL.
I mean, the NFL is just going bonkers now.
No way in hell, we're gonna let the Ravens win.
We're gonna have the Chiefs there.
We're gonna have Taylor there, all the Swifties.
Imagine what that's gonna do for eyeballs and advertising.
It's all part of the pattern, right?
She was worth $200 billion.
My, what? $200 billion?
That's how much impact she had on the NFL.
Gosh. Yeah.
Wow.
And imagine the energetic cost of like what,
the energy that is being taken and you...
Incredible.
Talk about the Matrix, right?
Everybody's sitting in their pods,
turning energy to feed the fricking machine all over.
I mean, this is just, it's just another parallel cycle,
another story.
It's just the same fricking thing.
Yeah, Lindsay, let me ask you this question.
What, who do you think is the Matrix,
or what is the Matrix in your view?
Yeah.
So, I mean, I think it's us.
I think we are it.
I think it is a perfect creation that it,
like, because again, so I spent time where I felt like,
no, no, no, no, you know, it's separate
and somebody's controlling it.
And it is like this thing that we have to fight against.
And the more I sat with that,
and the more I started to like explore the word Matrix
and the root of it and the etymology of it,
it actually comes back to connection with like mother energy
and womb energy and like womb space.
Yeah.
Cleveland, Cleveland talked about this.
Yeah.
It's in the Bible.
Yeah.
It's our space to wake us up to our potential.
All of it.
That's awesome.
Mm-hmm.
See, that's a positive way to look at it.
That's what I appreciate about what you're,
on your videos is it's very easy to go negative
and dark with the Matrix because you get,
it's the blaming part, which doesn't really do a lot.
To call out the best part of it is really
what I think is the value.
And that's what you do really, really well,
is you call out, what happens when you step out
of the Matrix?
What does life feel like?
That's all I do.
You know, I just say, this is what life looks like
when you aren't controlled by that mindset.
Yeah.
And you're going out constantly in the cycle of just reaction.
And when you recognize your power as a creator,
and you know, the first, I always joke,
because I'm like, oh yeah, every time you think
you get to the basement of the rabbit hole,
the trap door falls out and there's another layer, right?
You find another layer of something you thought was one way
and then you find out it's actually another way.
And so in one of those moments where I was in
a full existential crisis, because it was,
it was like right at the beginning of COVID.
And I forget, oh, oh, oh.
So it was like, I had this moment where all of these people
that I knew were all of a sudden like rejecting
all of these teachings and they were all going running back
to like Christianity and dogmatic, like church teachings.
And I was like, oh, this is really interesting.
And of course, the way that I am,
when I see something like that happening,
I start to then question myself.
And so I had this whole moment where I had
to really like look at everything that I was buying into
and everything that I was believing.
And I had like unpacked this whole program of like,
oh my God, am I getting it wrong?
Am I gonna go to hell?
Like, am I gonna fuck it up, right?
And I had to go back in.
And that was when I started rereading the Bible,
but from a more metaphysical perspective
rather than a dogmatic perspective.
And I started to find that like, okay,
I didn't have to reject any of it
because that's when I could really see my consciousness
like evolving more into oneness and out of separation.
But before that, I had the moment where it was like,
I was like ready to like full go to war, right?
Like I was the government and the this and the that
and the slave masters.
And I was just like, so,
and I had to go through that process, right?
I had to like identify that inner victim within myself.
And I had to let that-
That's a victim mindset, that's a victim mindset.
Yeah, I'm glad you called that out.
But this is so incredible, Jonathan and Lindsay,
because we had a guest on just last week
who talked about, he used to read the Bible in some way,
but he realized that the Bible's more reflection of himself.
When I was an apologist,
I would find those particular passages in the Bible
that justified my position,
as opposed to letting the freaking intentionality
and the spirit of what's in the Bible speak all the grace
and truth like that.
But more importantly, even than that,
going back to the matrix,
what was really nuts is that Neo was in the matrix,
he was bound by the rules of the machine.
He went back to the authoritarian thing,
which your friends you just talked about
went back to the dogmatic thing.
And when he stays in that particular place,
he can't beat Morpheus in the simulation.
Only when he realizes he's extant from that
and he's greater and he starts to realize
that he is the one,
is he able to not only dodge bullets,
but don't forget, he says, you won't need to, right?
And he just stops them dead, but it gets even better.
He goes beyond even that dichotomy of the machine.
And we talked about this too, Jonathan, a week ago.
He goes beyond the dichotomy of the humans in Zion
and the machine.
He actually joins forces with the machine
to come up with a third way to take out the rogue person
who's causing destruction for everybody.
Agent Smith was to become the real virus
as he starts to replicate himself.
So when he finally let go and realized this is the case,
that's good.
We still, I think because there's so much uncertainty
and because so many people haven't really vibrated
or elevated, they still need that authoritarian person
to show them the certainty
because living in uncertainty is not fun, is it?
It's not fun when you can't be comfortable in who you are
and how you're loved and how powerful you can be, right?
You can get glimpses of it, and he did,
but then ultimately he got there.
And so I think so many of us are still
in those earlier stages where we still need to go back
to what's known, even though we know what's wrong.
Like Cypher goes back into the matrix with his steak.
He goes, I don't care, make it go away.
I'm gonna give up everybody.
And he's there with agents with eating his steak,
drinking his wine, smoking a cigar.
He knows what the best thing to do is,
and yet he still wants to go back, right?
He plugged me back in, make me forget everything
that just happened.
Crazy.
Lindsay, what was the,
did you struggle to go in and out of the matrix?
Cause what I'm realizing is the matrix is two places,
almost in your brain.
You're in it, you're out of it.
And did you struggle with going, falling back into it?
And kind of-
Definitely.
So the biggest thing for me, my biggest teacher
has been money and business and learning how to,
because I would have all of this profound understanding
and this liberation.
And then I would go and I would try to like work
on my business or marketing or write like,
and I would get sucked right back into this idea
that like, well, I have to do it this way, right?
Like, here's the way that you get to success
and here's how you get to make money.
And you have to follow these steps
and would never work for me.
And it wasn't until I let that also start to evolve
out of any like rules or like that box of the matrix
that it actually started working for me.
But yeah, it was like anything money related,
because for me, I think this is where like
our nervous systems come in, right?
It's like, and everybody's got something.
And I mean, most of the world is just like
in a chronically hijacked nervous system state, right?
Like chronically in that like fight, flight, freeze,
like, because whatever they're doing,
they're not even taking that time to unplug.
And I really believe like we can't unplug
until we get our nervous systems in order.
But for me, the one thing that continued to like
just hijack my nervous system was money,
because it was like some of my programming personally
that I'm here to like clear out and evolve through
is our relationship with money and abundance
and prosperity and what that looks like
and how we get in and what it takes and all of those things.
So a hundred percent, yeah, I kept, you know,
I'd have to dip my toe back in, dive in the deep end,
spend some time there, yeah.
It's fair, I mean, yeah.
I appreciate your definition of the matrix.
It clarifies something for me,
because the way you picture it,
and tell me if this is correct,
is that the matrix is actually our collective imagination.
It's the story we tell ourselves as a world.
And you have a little part of it,
but you're collected to the whole of it.
And it's not always true,
because it's very easy to manipulate.
And who are those people that are manipulating it
from your perspective?
Is there string pullers or is it,
it's just that's the alchemy
and the algorithm of it all together.
Yeah, totally.
I definitely think there's people pulling the strings,
you know, I think, and that's where we can start to get into,
like you can trace these people and these family lines back,
like all the way through history
and through the name changes and through,
and for me, it started,
like when I started to really look at it,
and I'm like, why does anybody need
like actually that much money, right?
Like, and that's what really caught my attention
was why some of these like groups and corporations
and families are so driven by like greed,
that it's like at any cost, they need more,
even though they already have like bajillions of trillions,
they need more, they need more.
And I got really, really curious about that.
And I started to recognize how, you know,
through this whole like vibrational, you know,
reality and the dimensions,
it's like we have all these layers of various frequencies
going closer and closer and closer and back into oneness.
We also have those frequencies in the other direction,
you know, and there are beings, humans,
consciousnesses, beings of consciousness
that are so deep into the separation
that there's just no recognition within themselves,
that they are also an aspect of spirit.
It's like, right?
And it's like, that's the kind of like
the full spectrum of polarity
that I feel like I don't really fully understand
why it is that way yet,
but I definitely, definitely, definitely believe
that there are humans on the planet
who are just so in that vibration of separation
that they are the ones that are, you know,
so driven by like survival and greed and domination
and power.
The power.
Yeah, the power.
Because think about anybody who's that driven by power
at the core of their being is gonna be powerlessness,
because you don't need to exert that much power
in the world unless you feel powerless on the inside.
You know, when we truly are in our power,
we don't have to dominate other people.
Did you ever see the girl with the dragon tattoo?
I did, yeah, once.
I saw it once and I did see the book.
You know the movie, right?
Yeah.
The book is an amazing book.
It's both an amazing book and movie.
The story is about a woman who gets involved
with a reporter that infiltrates a very wealthy family.
And what we realize is they're a really screwed up family.
And I think that's the illusion we have of history
is that, oh, if you have a ton of wealth,
you're dignified.
That's not true.
That's not true at all.
So not true.
You know, money distorts things to the nth degree.
You're incapable of stopping that process.
100%.
Yeah.
And I think that's the money.
That's the, those are, and I, and dude,
you sent me probably one of the most interesting videos
I've seen in a while is, I don't remember his name.
The 1% controls the 4%.
4% controls the 90%.
That stops 5% from influencing the 90%.
That's the war going on in the matrix.
Yeah, that's brilliant thought.
Yeah, yeah, so this gal was talking about,
yeah, the 1% controls everything.
The 4% of the puppets, so they appear to have a lot, right?
But they're actually, they're actually, you know,
they're orchestrating the show.
The 90% of the ones that are the dummies, the zombies, right?
That's the unawake, and then there's a 5%.
They're trying to wake up the 90%.
And the 1%, and the 4% are trying to prevent the 5%
from helping the 90%, right?
And yeah, it was a crazy thought.
And these guys were just, their minds were blown
and it's brilliant.
I guess the question is, how do we, I mean,
is this the black swan?
Is this the Aquarius?
Is this the awakening that the power is?
And we're starting to see it with X.
We're starting to see things that normally
would have been shut down by the mainstream media
are getting exposed, right?
I mean, the idea of Tucker meeting with Putin, you know,
and people talking about that
and how he got kicked out of Fox
and he's got his own thing out.
We're not trying to talk about, you know,
left and right politics here,
but overall it does appear that this kind of shift happening.
And I think you might have even talked about this
on an audio text that you put on Instagram about,
did you feel something happening?
I almost reached out to you and Cleaver and Jonathan
about a week ago, I'm like,
you guys, what the hell is going on?
I'm fricking feeling something is going on.
And then it just kind of passed, right?
And then it was that, but there was,
I almost reached out to both of you guys
and you had felt something like on the 29th,
maybe the 30th.
Yeah, I forget the word.
It was the beginning of age requires, it was January 20th.
Okay, well, there was this, there was this,
there's two things, there was a term for it.
Kali Yuga, there was the Kali Yuga on the 15th,
supposedly, but then there was the Merkata,
or there's another thing that happened on the 20th.
And I think all it is, is just different semantics
for the same general thing
that's kind of moving into place.
Cause we do get caught up on even time, right?
If time is no thing that, why are we actually saying
it's actually time for this to happen?
But that being said, tell us how we help ourselves
and others break through and is it time
to start seeing the movement with this, Lindsay?
Tell us about it.
What's the detox?
You talk about the matrix detox.
Well, so, for me, it happened when I started to,
when I shifted from, so like that 1% and that 4%, right?
And then there's like, when I started truly seeing it all
as one thing and really sitting with it
from the lens of oneness and being able to say,
okay, if I truly believe in oneness,
if I am truly feeling viscerally that oneness is the truth,
then there's nothing that's not God.
There is nothing that's not mine.
So I said, can I now look at these quote unquote 1%,
these puppet masters, right?
Can I look at them and include them in that?
And at first I was like, absolutely not.
Rejecting it.
Right?
And then I would come back to it.
And it was baby steps in the beginning, you know?
And I started to truly understand that like,
at the core of my being, I believe that nothing happens
in this universe without our consent, right?
I believe if we are participating in something,
there is some level of consent.
And that's one of the things that gets manipulated
in this reality, right?
Through movies and TVs, like there's a lot of ways
we subliminally agree to things that we don't realize
we're agreeing to co-create.
It's very, very, very subconscious process.
And so if I believe that, I had to really start and say,
okay, well then if that's the truth,
I'm very logical, right?
As a mental projector, logic is my jam.
So it was like, if that's the truth,
well then these people have no control
unless we're consenting to it.
So if they're an aspect of us, we don't have to fight them.
We simply need to just get in here
and address the aspects of our own programming
that is continuing to consent to being oppressed
and enslaved and being batteries for this reality.
And it's like, we're gonna do, I think we are doing that
slowly but surely, it's happening.
But I really, really, and that's why the whole thing,
I'm like, instead of revolting against what's out there,
make the revolution in your consciousness.
Be so revolutionary in your own consciousness
that you just completely begin to transmute
anything within you that feels disempowered,
separated, divided, aggressive, enslaved, whatever it is,
just address it within and then naturally,
we're gonna begin to create a reality outside
where all of those quote unquote people empowered,
it's like they dissolve away
because there's just no need for them anymore.
There's no energy anymore, yeah.
I love it, oh my gosh.
Yes, yes.
I love your analogy of the battery.
That to me, back to the matrix, everybody was a battery.
But the idea of the top is sucking out the energy
and that's a great analogy, I love that.
Yeah.
I love just the whole thing.
I mean, and then, you've talked about it more
in a term called a projector, right?
I don't think we've really talked about
too much about being a projector,
but I think that kind of energy you just talked about
is about the projection, right?
How do we take all these things that we know?
And I love how you're going on this
because we talked a lot about universalism,
which in the Christian faith,
a Christian universalist actually believes
that at the end of time,
God will restore all people to himself, right?
Even the 1%.
Even the 1%, the Hitlers, the Idiomans, the Pol Potts,
even the Zuckerbergs of the world
who are testifying in front of Congress.
This is, and I still get,
this is why I still fall back into the matrix.
I'm watching him testify in front of Congress
and this Senator or Congressman is looking at him and said,
you know, it's been reported that, you know,
meta actually hurts young girls,
whether it's, you know, bulimia,
like eating disorders or all kinds of things.
And he goes, no, we don't.
He goes, well, how about this?
This is your own study.
This is your own people researching it.
And he's still denying it.
He is looking at him and he's saying,
well, no, that's not what we do.
Dude, your own company produced their own findings
that it actually is hurting girls.
Outside of the fact that it encourages pedophilia, right?
It encourages the key words to come in
and actually not only just makes it easy,
but actually it encourages.
And I look at that and I go, burn, burn, burn, burn.
He's looking at these people aloof and smug.
And yet at the same time, there's fear, right?
You have to, the same thing you mentioned,
all these, the Rothschilds,
maybe I could just say it out loud.
You know, the families that just control so much, right?
Is it fear?
They have fear back there in the back of their mind.
There's fear, right?
And yeah.
It's the presumption of fear.
It doesn't actually have to be real.
It just has to be, you have to think that it's possible.
That's it.
It's just the presumption of it is enough to stop people.
And cause I, Lindsay, I like what you're talking about
in terms of the way to win the war
is not to fight the 1%.
It's to be the better solution.
Right.
And the more, the more the 5% at the bottom
that's waking or has woken up,
we don't need to convert the 90.
We don't need to change the four, the one.
We just need to be a magnifier of what's true.
That's it.
And I love that idea because anybody can do that.
Like you don't need to change the world.
You just need to change yourself.
Right.
It's like, I always think of, you know,
they say Nelson Mandela when he was locked up in prison,
he had a quote that, you know, you can lock me up physically,
but you know, you can, you can imprison my body,
but you'll never imprison my mind.
And all through, everywhere we look,
it is being shown to us like how powerful our minds are.
And, you know, until when we can finally get to that place
where, because that's the thing too,
like when we really get it, and I'm not perfect at this.
I have my moments where I get pulled in
and I react, right?
We're all, we're all doing it.
But the core of my being, I feel so truly
that like when we understand what we are
and we understand our power, there is nobody,
there is nothing that has to be convinced, right?
Like any type of like convincing and changing and fight,
like we look at history, there goes my light.
We look at history and, you know, we find,
it's just littered with violence and aggression and war
in the name of my beliefs or your beliefs or my God
or your God and all of that.
And it's like, that just isn't it.
You know, I think we're very quickly like evolving
to the place where we're recognizing that ain't it.
You know, that is not it.
That is all through our own conceptions of what we think.
And until we can get to the place where we can stop
immediately going to like violence and aggression
and we're seeing it, that's why it's so elevated right now.
I firmly believe that the reason, the division, if you will,
seems to be so, people are always like,
oh, we've never been more divided.
And that's like, actually we have been,
it's just been very much in the shadows.
We just haven't noticed it.
But now the light of consciousness is so bright.
It seems like we're more divided than ever,
but actually it's just being revealed
because we can't create something different
until we get this.
So we start saying like, why do we create so much division?
Well, it's because we're divided in ourselves, right?
We're at war with ourselves constantly.
And until we can shift that and we can meet ourselves
from the darkest parts to the lightest parts
with love and compassion, that's when we'll then
create that type of world outside of ourselves as well.
Yeah, Lindsay, we got time for about two more questions.
So Rich, I'll think about one.
I love your stuff on Instagram.
So if you listen or follow Instagram,
what is your handle on Instagram so people can find you?
Yeah, so it's at I am Linz Karatardi.
You know what?
Okay.
And come to mind in Much Love, Brink,
and you can find me on Instagram.
Much Love, Brink, and you can find her.
She's absent.
But my question to you is, what inspires,
because you're bent is in helping people detox.
What is the simple understanding behind why you do that?
Why do you spend the time?
Because your production value is very high.
It's very quality.
I love what you do.
What's your story about that?
Why you do that?
It's just like there's just no,
like it just is.
It's like, I can't imagine not doing that.
You know, it's literally like my calling.
It's just like breathing for me.
It's like I have to.
I just have to.
Even if I was never getting paid,
if nobody ever hired me as their coach or their mentor,
I would still be talking and writing and doing it.
Yeah.
I'm gonna sneak one in real quick, Rich,
because she answered it really quickly.
What is your primary like talking point
so people can understand what you really talk about?
Yeah.
What do you really share about most?
It's consciousness.
You know, it is just,
it is restoring your own personal recognition
of yourself as the creator.
Just that God self within,
liberating that God self within.
Do you have a retreat coming up?
Did I see that something, you've got a retreat,
or maybe that was an older post,
or do you have something coming up
and tell us a little bit about that?
And one of the things,
the reason I bring that up is you're trying to collect
group of people together.
One of the things I do, transcendental meditation,
and it's been proven when they get a lot of people together
and they meditate, you can reduce the rate of crime.
And I think they saw something happen in Baltimore.
And when, you know, the more and more people get plugged in
to that kind of transcendental state,
and they're unified.
And, you know, I don't know if you've ever meditated
with somebody together, but I have,
and it's just effortless, and it just feels so good,
because it's the energy.
And that's why Jesus says,
whenever two or three are gathered in my name,
they're either, I am, right there in their midst, right?
So tell us a little bit about the retreat
and what you're hoping to get out of it,
and tell us a little about it, yeah.
Yeah, I love that you brought up the two or more gathered,
because that's Jesus.
So I have a couple of things coming up.
So some of what I do is also to connect it to human design,
the human design system and all of that.
Okay.
Did I free?
Okay, we're good, sorry.
So I have a retreat.
Is it me?
I don't know, there's been a little bit of spotting this.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's probably mine,
because we've been having snow storms,
and our wifi is not that good sometimes there.
Got it.
Yes, so I have a virtual retreat coming up.
That one is for, it's human design related.
So one of the modalities I use
as I'm guiding people is human design.
So that retreat is for human design projectors.
And then I also do have a mastermind coming up
that is called the consciousness revolution.
And that's the one that is really bringing people together
over a period of three months
to where two or more are gathered, you know,
to be in our purpose and just raise the energy
and raise the frequency and really activate people
and bring people together, yeah.
And then hopefully later this year or early next year,
the in-person retreats will come.
Awesome, that sounds great.
Awesome, that's all right.
So Lindsay, this has been everything I hoped it would be.
I appreciate you coming, thank you.
This has been, we love talking about the matrix
and you fit right in, so thank you.
I love the story, I love the analogy.
It was about, it was beautiful.
It was all tied in and it just,
it had brought so many different things together.
And we're seeing a lot of the similarity.
You're a different person, you're unique,
but we're talking about the same things.
They are literally the same things.
And the more we talk and the more we bring visibility
and the more we learn, the less we fall back, right?
And the more we move forward, right?
Jonathan, we rise to those levels of consciousness
and vibration and we can still come back.
It's fine, we're human, right?
We do these things, but then to get to that higher level
and to see it resonate, to see it,
to co-create it literally in front of us
and to see it change things over the next six months
to a year, it could be very exciting, right?
I love it, I live for it.
And yeah, I've loved being on here.
Thank you guys for having me, definitely.
So like I said, so easy and natural,
just feels like, yep, we're all on this soul mission.
We're doing this thing and here we go.
Exactly.
All right, thank you, Lindsay.
Thank you to our listeners.
This has absolutely been one of my favorites
because you've given me so many good nuggets to think about,
especially, gosh, I'm gonna have to really turn
through this one, because this one really hit me
in a lot of ideas that you've given me.
So thank you, Lindsay.
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