1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,600 Welcome to Living in the Matrix. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,400 I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,000 And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,800 to the right, but the bottom line is, 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:11,640 is together we try to look for the balance 6 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,900 of what it means to be human in today's world. 7 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:18,240 All right, let's get started everyone. 8 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:20,560 This is a welcome to Living in the Matrix. 9 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:21,400 I'm Jonathan. 10 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,360 This is my cohost Rich. 11 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,720 Say hello, Rich. 12 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,560 Hey everybody. 13 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:25,640 Hope everybody's having a great week 14 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,560 and looking forward to this podcast and weekends upon us. 15 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,440 Yeah, I have been looking forward to this one. 16 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,240 So today we have Lindsey Karakart. 17 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,440 Did I say that right? 18 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,520 Karakarty. 19 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,960 Karakarty. 20 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,120 And she is a mental projector 21 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,040 and she discusses ascending and awakening. 22 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,080 And she has this podcast called The Matrix Detox. 23 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,240 We're very much aligned. 24 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,240 We're very looking forward to having you on. 25 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,640 Welcome. 26 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,860 Thank you, thank you guys. 27 00:00:55,860 --> 00:00:56,920 I'm happy to be here too. 28 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,280 Super excited to dive in 29 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,160 and see what we come up with to talk about today. 30 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,000 Absolutely. 31 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,120 So why don't we start by, 32 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,720 we named this Living in the Matrix 33 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,840 because Rich asked me the question, 34 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,680 do you think we're living in a simulation? 35 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,560 And I said, yes. 36 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,840 And so we just began by talking to people 37 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,980 who kind of had that sense of discussion 38 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:24,480 and we're pretty fairly convinced we are, 39 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,080 both physiologically from a scientific level 40 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,240 and also from a physiological world. 41 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,720 And so what is your understanding of The Matrix 42 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,080 and how did it, where did, 43 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,680 what shaped your definition of it? 44 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,040 Yeah, I love that. 45 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,360 And I definitely totally agree with you guys. 46 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,480 Like, you know, and I always think about the quote, 47 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,280 what is it, like life imitates art 48 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,280 or does art imitate art? 49 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Yes. 50 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 There's just like, the circle. 51 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,400 And so for me, you know, I wasn't always so kind of aware 52 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,800 and empowered in my life. 53 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,360 I spent a lot of years in a lot of disempowerment 54 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,160 and very, very, very, you know, 55 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,960 just hijacked by this thing called The Matrix, this life. 56 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,320 So, but then as I started to awaken and I started to see, 57 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,680 and I started to just expand in my consciousness, 58 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,040 it just became so obvious for me that like, 59 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,220 first of all, there, 60 00:02:19,220 --> 00:02:20,840 and I went through all the phases of like, 61 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,840 oh, there's no God, you know, there is a God, 62 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,960 there is a divine presence, there isn't. 63 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,520 I had to have all those battles within myself 64 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,440 until I came to the place where it's like, okay, 65 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,920 I can no longer like deny 66 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,040 that there is some intelligence running the show. 67 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,880 There's obviously an intelligence 68 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,280 and all of these things that, you know, 69 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,720 some people like to write off as coincidences. 70 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,840 I'm like, there's just too many synchronicities 71 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,100 and too many things and too many patterns 72 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:50,760 that are constantly repeating themselves 73 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,120 that it just became so obvious to me 74 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,640 that there is this perfectly designed thing 75 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:02,160 that we are experiencing that perfectly 76 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,160 and so accurately wakes us up and reflects back to us, 77 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,280 you know, and I remember back in the day, 78 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,320 like when The Matrix movies came out, you know, 79 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,200 watching those and being in the theater and being like, 80 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,000 oh, like this is really, you know, 81 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,800 and it kind of like just striking a chord. 82 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,540 And then as I went on through my life 83 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:24,640 and I went deeper and deeper into my awakening 84 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:26,560 and down the rabbit hole of consciousness 85 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,260 and all of those things, it just started to, 86 00:03:31,260 --> 00:03:34,720 it's like that visceral feeling of like, 87 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,440 this is the truth, right? 88 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,280 When you just know- 89 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,120 It's intellectual, yeah. 90 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,200 It's literally, it's passing through you. 91 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,280 It's like, even like what's crazy about Neo 92 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,560 when he takes that protocol, that when he takes the red pill, 93 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,760 it's a digital kind of tracking device 94 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,080 so that they can actually go rescue him. 95 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 I mean, it literally looks like it's going through him 96 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,240 and he's doing this, but it's actually, 97 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,720 I mean, crazily enough, it's in his head, right? 98 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Cause it's a digital projection, 99 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,300 mental projection of his digital self, right? 100 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:05,560 And so, but yet at the same time, it's right there, right? 101 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,200 And then you realize that it's all, it's both, right? 102 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,840 It's both and, right? 103 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Both and, yes, 100%. 104 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,600 So Lindsay, what did you grow up? 105 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:17,440 Where? 106 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,880 What was your thought process growing up? 107 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Was it atheist, Christian, Catholic? 108 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,480 What was your thought, Buddhist? 109 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,320 What? 110 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,140 Yeah, no. 111 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:25,480 So I was born into a Catholic family. 112 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,760 I come from quite a mix, a little bit of Italian, Cuban, 113 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,240 Scottish, you know, so a lot of Catholicism. 114 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,700 And I heavily rejected that after my teenage years. 115 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:38,200 I was like, absolutely not. 116 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Cause I remember being a kid and going to mass 117 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,400 and just feeling like the judgment 118 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,720 and the hypocrisy in there. 119 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,040 And even as a kid, before I even understood being like, 120 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,680 okay, this doesn't make sense. 121 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,680 They keep talking about God, 122 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,600 but why is everybody judging each other? 123 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,440 Right. 124 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,260 Yeah. 125 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:55,600 Here's my take on that. 126 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,360 Cause I'm contemplating that exact idea right now. 127 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,680 Christianity has missed grace for 2000 years. 128 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:02,800 Yeah. 129 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,260 And it's waking up to grace. 130 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,040 There's a, it's beginning to realize grace 131 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,120 is the only way everybody wins 132 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,080 that is effectively consistent with love. 133 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:19,080 And I am, how, where did your awakening start? 134 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,160 What really triggered that to say, 135 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,000 okay, screw Catholicism, what's next? 136 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:24,840 What happened? 137 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:25,660 Yeah. 138 00:05:25,660 --> 00:05:29,120 Well, so, so from about the time I graduated high school 139 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,800 until I was about 33, 140 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,560 I really struggled with addiction, drug addiction. 141 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Did you go to Catholic high school? 142 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:35,920 No. 143 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:36,960 So I did go to Catholic school. 144 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,600 I went to public school. 145 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,520 And you know, my family wasn't overly like religious. 146 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,040 It was like, we were like, what, you know, 147 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,920 we would go to the mass on Christmas Eve. 148 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Of course. 149 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,600 Yep. 150 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,440 Yep. 151 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,240 I did all my little, my confirmation, my communion. 152 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,820 I did all of those things, 153 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,240 but it was always very just like, 154 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,580 I'm just going through the motions. 155 00:05:56,580 --> 00:05:58,460 I was not deeply connected to it. 156 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:00,760 And then, yeah, like I struggled. 157 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,360 I struggled with a lot of anxiety, depression, 158 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,480 drug addiction, alcoholism. 159 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,180 And it wasn't until when I started trying 160 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:10,000 to get sober in my twenties. 161 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,040 What was your struggle choice? 162 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,040 So heroin and cocaine. 163 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,360 What was your drug choice? 164 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,200 Yeah, cocaine. 165 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,040 Okay. 166 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:16,880 Yeah. 167 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:17,720 Yeah. 168 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,760 Yeah, alcohol, all of them really, but those. 169 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Yeah. 170 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,320 To me, heroin is like going to Mars. 171 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,320 It's a completely different experience. 172 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,780 And that's part of the allure of it. 173 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:31,520 I used drugs heavily in college. 174 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,380 I was addicted and I actually overdosed. 175 00:06:34,380 --> 00:06:35,220 Yeah. 176 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,560 Because here's the thing, 177 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,540 in that process of not awakening, 178 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:42,720 you have to have a coping mechanism. 179 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Yeah. 180 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,800 That's why drugs are sobering. 181 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,280 I appreciate you sharing that 182 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:49,180 because when people demonize drugs 183 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:51,760 and when you look at them as a coping mechanism, 184 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,900 it allows you to put them where they should be, 185 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:55,120 which is okay. 186 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,700 They're supposed to take care of the short term, 187 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,560 but they don't take care of the long term. 188 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,400 Totally. 189 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,960 Would you say that it started off as a coping mechanism 190 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,560 or actually as pure exploration? 191 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,320 Because I know, like if you think about Jim Morrison, right? 192 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,160 Yeah, Jim Morrison, I think escaped through alcohol, right? 193 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,520 We see him in movie, but at the same time, 194 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,520 he wanted to break on through 195 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,320 because I believe he almost intellectually 196 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,240 and spiritually wasn't content with this world. 197 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,560 He wanted more. 198 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,960 And I think the psychonauts that people are, 199 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,640 the ones that are willing to go down the path of LSD 200 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,440 in the early 50s and 60s, 201 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,680 they were, and like Timothy Leary, 202 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,640 I don't know if he was doing LSD thousands of times to cope 203 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,320 or if he was just really trying to break through 204 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,680 a different realm. 205 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,280 And you think about musical artists, 206 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,640 the most famous artists that were influenced by this. 207 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,880 And so did it start off for you as a coping mechanism 208 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,880 or did you also have an exploratory journey to say, 209 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,680 what the hell's else out there? 210 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:49,920 Tell us a little bit about that. 211 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,800 Yeah, I think both, definitely both. 212 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,480 Because I was definitely, in my teenage years, 213 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,480 I was definitely one of those people that was like, 214 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,240 I'm not gonna say no to anything. 215 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,320 I'm just here to like try, 216 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,640 I just wanna have the full experience. 217 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,160 So it was definitely impulsive. 218 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,840 I was definitely reckless. 219 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,280 And then it very quickly became a coping mechanism 220 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,960 because I started to discover that like, 221 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,600 when I had these substances, 222 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,160 especially the heavy duty ones, 223 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,760 it was like, I didn't have to deal with the overwhelming, 224 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,080 like emotion and angst and just the heaviness 225 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,640 of all of my thoughts and the pressures inside of myself. 226 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,480 It's one of the- 227 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,880 It gave me inspiration, yeah. 228 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,920 It's one of the primary values of drugs, 229 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,760 mostly illicit or psychedelic, 230 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,120 is that they allow you to feel what it's like to be human 231 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,160 or what you think humanity should feel like. 232 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,000 Yeah. 233 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,800 And it's like, it's pretty damn good. 234 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,480 It's like, it's not purely escape. 235 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,600 It's also about experience. 236 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Totally. 237 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,480 I agree. 238 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Totally. 239 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,280 Okay, so where did your awakening kind of take you to? 240 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,320 Friends and that, yeah. 241 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,880 What's next? 242 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:57,800 Yeah, yeah. 243 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,280 So when I like tried getting sober in my 20s, 244 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,400 I would have these moments 245 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,360 where I would come back to like spirituality. 246 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,200 At that point, I was still very much like, 247 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,120 oh, I'm like, I'm an agnostic. 248 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,840 I won't admit that there's like God, 249 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,240 but I think that there's something. 250 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,760 And I was very drawn into nature. 251 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,360 But it wasn't until my early 30s 252 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,520 that I actually had like a full spiritual awakening 253 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,400 and I got sober. 254 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,240 And it was literally like overnight, 255 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,920 I had just gotten myself to such a terrible low point 256 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,520 where I had almost died. 257 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,920 I was practically on death's doorstep. 258 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,320 Can't believe I didn't overdose. 259 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,080 Something kept bringing me back. 260 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,760 And I had this moment where it was like overnight, 261 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,800 all of my entire perspective on life shifted. 262 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,760 And it was like, I just surrendered 263 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,760 to the higher intelligence and I stopped fighting. 264 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:51,600 You know what? 265 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,880 That was really the moment of like awakening for me 266 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,760 where then I started to like bring in all of these 267 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,600 like various books would come my way. 268 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,800 You know, in the beginning, it was a lot of yoga, 269 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,480 a lot of Buddhism, mindfulness, 270 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,160 that kind of spirituality that wasn't so dogmatic, 271 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,040 but was helping me to understand like, 272 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,480 there is something so much more than just this physical 273 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,760 realm that I was trying to make sense of. 274 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,520 So that's where it really took off. 275 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,000 And that was about 10 years ago now. 276 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,880 Looking back, who would you say is one person 277 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,560 that really influenced you? 278 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:30,280 Like the thing that kind of turned the wheel for you? 279 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,160 I would probably say- 280 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,120 Or a book? 281 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:33,960 Yeah, that was- 282 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,800 What was- 283 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,480 Everywhere I was going was a book. 284 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,240 And it's gonna be, so Pimma Chodron, 285 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,200 she is a Buddhist monk and she writes these books. 286 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,080 And she has a book called, The Places That Scare You. 287 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,600 It found me, right? 288 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:50,800 Like this book came- 289 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,080 Well, it just found me. 290 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:52,920 Yeah. 291 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,720 Seriously. 292 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,720 And I just cannot forget opening this book 293 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,480 and reading these passages, 294 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,920 like she was just speaking directly to me. 295 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,440 And it was the first time in my life, 296 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,960 I felt like someone understood, 297 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,920 like what I had been going through and what I had felt 298 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,680 and why I was so overwhelmed. 299 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:13,520 And I'm like, you know, 300 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,880 like she's like this little old Buddhist monk 301 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:16,960 and she's just so fun. 302 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,960 And she talks in such like a relatable way. 303 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,800 It totally like, you know, when you meet somebody 304 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,360 or you read something or you find something 305 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,360 that challenges like your whole paradigm about something. 306 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,640 So she was that for me. 307 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,240 And she challenged my whole paradigm 308 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,920 about anything religious, 309 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,320 which just cracked me open to so much more. 310 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,640 But what made it feel safe? 311 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Yeah. 312 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:41,960 What was that? 313 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,920 What made it feel safe for you? 314 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,920 I think it was, it was so, in reading her words, 315 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,600 for the first time in my life was finally like, 316 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,240 there's nothing wrong with me. 317 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,640 Like if this person is like a Buddhist monk 318 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,200 and she gets this and she's talking about it, 319 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,040 like it's so normal. 320 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,800 All of this stuff I had in my head that I thought, 321 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,120 like I had so much shame and self judgment 322 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,400 and like I'm broken or something wrong with me. 323 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,720 The world is judging me. 324 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,960 Cause I was judging myself. 325 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,600 All of a sudden it was like, 326 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,120 there's actually nothing wrong with me. 327 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,280 And I think that was the foundation for me 328 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,320 to start feeling safe. 329 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,640 And then of course I went deeper into all of my healing 330 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,640 and stuff like that, but that's where it started. 331 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,960 I love it. 332 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,880 One of the things that reminds me of 333 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,520 is you can tell that this woman has a gift 334 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,160 and she's tapped into the source 335 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,520 because the way that book affected you 336 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,720 meant true intentionality and true energy 337 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,160 that flowed through the book. 338 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,600 You look at the Tao, right? 339 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,800 You look at even the Bible, 340 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,720 you look at Marcus Aurelius' meditations 341 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,240 and the impact that they've had. 342 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,960 And when you go in and you read those passages, 343 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,680 it's not just an intellectual understanding of the words. 344 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:03,680 You literally can feel the presence of the lived power 345 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,160 and what's been pushed through. 346 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,040 I mean, Latsu, who wrote the Tao, 347 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:10,880 you could just tell, 348 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,680 I mean, they actually said he was born. 349 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:13,920 Donal was gonna ask you about this 350 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,080 because they said when he was born, 351 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,000 he had this funny story about being born with a beard. 352 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,640 It means like old boy is what his name means. 353 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,000 I was thinking the curious case of Benjamin Button 354 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,120 who was born and he literally lived like a Tao life, right? 355 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,640 He just took what happened, just rolled with the waves, 356 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,200 kind of just accepted what it was. 357 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,280 It was such a crazy juxtaposition of ideas, 358 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,440 but those are the kinds of things that I'm searching for, 359 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,960 right, those things where you find a great book 360 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,600 or you meet a good person 361 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,520 and you actually feel the knowledge of transparency, 362 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:43,680 not just intellectually, 363 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,000 but it literally goes through you like Kairos, right? 364 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,600 Like it's not just linear time like Kronos, 365 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,200 but it's Kairos, it's living through you. 366 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,720 And I just find that fascinating. 367 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,280 So what were a couple of the things you learned 368 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,100 out of the book, 369 00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:00,120 because you fascinated me and Jonathan in the book already. 370 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,040 What were some of the things? 371 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Yeah, what were the couple of things 372 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,200 that really just resonated with you 373 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,440 that you would like to share? 374 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,960 So there's a line that still literally sticks in my head 375 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,520 that I remember reading it where she writes about 376 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,040 that the nature of like being human 377 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,480 is that we are warriors that are being trained 378 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,160 to sit with discomfort and discontent. 379 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,640 And that instead of, that was so profound for me 380 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,480 because obviously my drug use in my journey, 381 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,120 it was all avoidance. 382 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,440 So then all of a sudden here was somebody telling me 383 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,120 that no, actually the thing that I'm trying to avoid 384 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,720 is my training. 385 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,280 It was a bubble, no. 386 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,080 That is avoidance, but you're creating the actual war. 387 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,560 There is warfare, right? 388 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,120 You're trying to avoid it, but you can't. 389 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,880 You're in the middle of the trenches, right? 390 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,400 It's so crazy. 391 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,960 And I just like, that hit me like a dart right in the heart. 392 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:52,800 It was that. 393 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,400 And then she breaks down 394 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,800 like all of these cycles of how we create our own suffering. 395 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,200 And it's just, I was so ready to hear that 396 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,160 because it was like in my awakening 397 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,000 and my expansion of my consciousness, 398 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,520 it was like, I was so ready to understand 399 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,120 that I was not a victim of life, 400 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,400 that I was creating all of it. 401 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,960 And so when she would break down all the various ways, 402 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,960 cause you know, Buddhism, like that's their whole, right? 403 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,480 It's like how we create our own suffering 404 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,000 and being all in the samsara and everything else. 405 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,560 And I just was like, where has this been all my life? 406 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Like, where has this teaching been all of my life? 407 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,320 You know, that's just, it's a hundred percent the grasping, 408 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,320 the clinging, the aversion, you know, 409 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,800 all of those aspects of the Buddhist teachings 410 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,120 that she was breaking down. 411 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,040 And I was just like, I literally felt like this person 412 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,000 had been watching me through my life 413 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,440 and that she was like writing this book 414 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,080 based on all the crazy shit that I had, 415 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,160 sorry, I hope it's okay. 416 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,000 If I get hurt. 417 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,820 It was perfectly okay. 418 00:15:58,820 --> 00:15:59,800 You can see F-bombs all the time. 419 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,240 You can see, yeah, this is a free, 420 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,480 it's a totally safe space here. 421 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,320 You can say whatever the heck you want to. 422 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,920 Good, good, good. 423 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,160 Yeah, yeah, so that's it. 424 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,200 I literally just felt like she had written this book 425 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,920 like watching me. 426 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,240 And within a moment of reading it, 427 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,560 I was like, I am not crazy. 428 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,400 I am actually, this is all happening perfectly. 429 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,240 You might have been ready for it earlier, right? 430 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,680 Yeah, in your 30s too, right? 431 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,980 I mean, what a crazy age, right? 432 00:16:24,980 --> 00:16:27,680 We see about the spiritual awakening in your 30s. 433 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,320 Jesus really didn't start preaching until, you know, 434 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,600 I think he was in his 30s, right? 435 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:32,440 That's what they say. 436 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,760 I'm not sure about that, but who knows, right? 437 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:35,600 Yeah. 438 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,940 28, 29, Saturn return happens. 439 00:16:37,940 --> 00:16:39,800 And that's like a whole thing within ourselves. 440 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Yep. 441 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,280 Yeah. 442 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,000 So at the point of your awakening, 443 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,000 because you're suffering of creating your own, 444 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,640 I completely agree. 445 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,040 We create our own suffering. 446 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,480 To wake up to that reality and realize, 447 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,800 oh, I don't have to create suffering. 448 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,880 And when I do, I actually can enjoy life amazingly. 449 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,320 That's the thing that, what happened for you? 450 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,200 How did it turn for you from this old way of living 451 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,320 to a new way of living? 452 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,200 What did that look like? 453 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,440 Yeah, so like I said, 454 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,320 so there was a very distinct profound moment 455 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,400 where a huge shift happened for me. 456 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,000 And that was when I was sitting in this yard 457 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,880 where I had gone for detox 458 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,120 and I was trying to decide what I was gonna do next. 459 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,600 If I was gonna go home 460 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,400 or if I was gonna surrender 461 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,360 and go to this longer term program. 462 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,560 And I am freaking out and I am crying 463 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,280 and I'm like chain smoking cigarettes. 464 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,760 And I'm like, I don't know what to do. 465 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,680 And there's like this beautiful blue sky 466 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,800 and I'm sitting there and I'm looking up at the sky 467 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,080 and I'm like, and I like literally said to myself, 468 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,880 just guide me, right? 469 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,240 I'm done. 470 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,200 And from that moment on, 471 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,200 it was like I went from being this very like stubborn, 472 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,160 hard headed, like I know what's best. 473 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,960 I was very angry to just being open to like, 474 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,840 I will do whatever people suggest. 475 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,400 And from that moment on, 476 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,400 it became like this slide of just various like people, 477 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,360 teachers, books. 478 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,600 You know, when I started off doing a 12 step program, 479 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,840 because that felt right for me at the time. 480 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,880 And that helped me get a really good foundation of life, 481 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,800 not using drugs and alcohol. 482 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,560 So that's where I really started to like learn to, 483 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,280 be vulnerable and actually ask people for help 484 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,240 and let people guide me. 485 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,120 Because before that, I was very shut down to, 486 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,960 just this like negative interpretation of people, right? 487 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,240 Everybody's out to hurt me, all of that. 488 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,240 So that's where I really started to learn that. 489 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,240 And then it was like, I just was so open. 490 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,120 It was like God, spirit, source 491 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:08,520 was just working in every moment. 492 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,200 And that's where I really started to see 493 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,040 like all of the synchronicities. 494 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,760 That's where I really started to see 495 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,680 like the power of my thoughts, right? 496 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,680 Because I would think something and it would happen. 497 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,560 And you know how you have like that moment 498 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,000 where you're like, what? 499 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,360 Like, did I really just create that? 500 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,640 And like it becomes so obvious that you are creating it 501 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,520 and that the world is reflecting back to you perfectly. 502 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,240 And in that first year, especially of my sobriety, 503 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,240 I did a lot of really deep, like just self-reflection 504 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:46,000 and like spiritual, psychological work on myself, 505 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,240 where I really, really, really dove into my own mind 506 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,680 and my own programs and really got, 507 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,280 that's why I said at the beginning, I love the curiosity 508 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,000 because that's what it was for me. 509 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,600 It was like, I became curious about everything 510 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,320 in life and internally, 511 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,560 instead of like shutting it down and judging it. 512 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,320 Well, I think that's the switch in the brain. 513 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,400 People start judgmental. 514 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,920 They start from a place because, you know, 515 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,520 from a baby you're born into life 516 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,160 and it's not always friendly. 517 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,480 So it's easy to become judgmental. 518 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,280 It's almost a survival state. 519 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,360 Yeah. 520 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:27,680 And to release yourself from that space 521 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,000 and shift back into curiosity, 522 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,240 it's not only more life giving, it's a lot easier. 523 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,280 You know, it's like, it's hard to judge yourself 524 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,840 in the world around you 525 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,040 because we get it wrong all the time. 526 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,080 We sure do. 527 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,320 All the time. 528 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,560 Well, but you're right. 529 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,040 We actually have to learn the fear 530 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,280 because as a baby, you don't have that, right? 531 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,120 You're just pure awe and wonder. 532 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,560 We need healthy fear. 533 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,400 Yeah. 534 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,480 Basically. That's true. 535 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,680 That's true. 536 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,960 Because that's a great question, Rich, 537 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,320 because I think, you know, the consciousness of what life, 538 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,040 like what is the purpose of the amygdala? 539 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,400 That's the thing that protects you. 540 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,200 This is the thing. 541 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,000 And what is its real job? 542 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,680 It's basically to keep you from doing really stupid things 543 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,520 that will harm yourself. 544 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,360 That's it. 545 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:11,200 That's all it really needs. 546 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,040 Like it's watching for the rock or the car 547 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,440 that may be coming at you, 548 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,920 but it's mostly like, don't hurt yourself. 549 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Right. 550 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,040 And if we can back it off controlling your life 551 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,440 to just playing that part 552 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,880 now it's like, we don't have to kill the ego. 553 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,960 Let's redeem it so it can play its normal part. 554 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,800 Right. 555 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,280 And that is to protect you from normal things. 556 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,440 And then there is an act of God, 557 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,960 but it's mostly about that. 558 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,760 And then from there you shift to curiosity. 559 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,880 It's like, okay, I can, 560 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,680 it's only in the space of curiosity 561 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,080 that you can see the synchronicity. 562 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:46,960 Yes. 563 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,800 Because that's where it allows you 564 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,160 to see the dot connecting. 565 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,000 Yes. 566 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,840 Because if you don't, now- 567 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,200 Because you're judged when you can't. 568 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,040 Yeah. 569 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:53,880 Yeah, right. 570 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,720 You can't get conspiratorial 571 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,840 and you can try to set things up 572 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,640 and try to false predict things. 573 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,080 And you're always looking for that next thing. 574 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,320 We see that a lot with the cue kind of movement and stuff. 575 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,560 And a lot of stuff you see on X today 576 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,480 has a lot of these things, 577 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,200 these drops that are just gonna happen in the storm. 578 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,040 But at the same time, 579 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,160 if you really are connected into that, 580 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,120 into the source and you're not distracted. 581 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:14,640 So there is a difference between 582 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,400 trying to self-fulfill things 583 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,320 without truly truly being aligned, right? 584 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,920 So when we talk about manifestation, 585 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,480 we do know that our hearts and our head 586 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,200 needs to be aligned on that intentionally willfully. 587 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,920 Dr. Joe talks about that, right? 588 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,000 Hawkins. Yeah. 589 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,240 But if you're missing a component of that, 590 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,720 if your heart isn't aligned with your head 591 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,200 and you've got that kind of divine feminine 592 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,960 and masculine working at your disposal, 593 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,600 then you are probably gonna get a little confused 594 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,520 and start second guessing, right? 595 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,160 I love that you guys brought that up. 596 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,040 Cause like one of the biggest things that stands out to me 597 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:55,040 with all of like the community that's like truthers, right? 598 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,320 Or the awakened community or whatever, right? 599 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,240 Like beyond labels, 600 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,840 but everybody has something they identify with. 601 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,440 But one of the- Labels are how we describe, yeah. 602 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,680 It's like one of the biggest things I see out there 603 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,080 is like a really big lack of discernment, right? 604 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,240 It's like, so you think you're awake, 605 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,120 but you're still needing someone 606 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:14,840 to tell you what to think, right? 607 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,320 And that's not like, you're just talking, 608 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,880 when we have that connection and we're genuinely 609 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,040 like aligning ourselves with that consciousness of source, 610 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,920 of oneness, of Christ, God, whatever you wanna call it. 611 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,800 It's like, you start to be able to see 612 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,960 like as you're navigating it 613 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800 and instead of reacting and judging things, 614 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,080 it's like, you get curious and you're like, 615 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,040 okay, something about this doesn't feel correct 616 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,640 or something about this isn't right. 617 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,200 It's getting my attention 618 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,720 because it's like all of the time, 619 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,480 I get people on some of my content 620 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000 that say the wildest things, like, 621 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,600 those would be one of my tattoos 622 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,840 and they'll be like, oh, who's she working? 623 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,480 And it's like, oh my gosh, 624 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,320 you're literally seeing this filter everywhere. 625 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,240 It's like you're literally closing yourself off 626 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,120 to some of the most powerful, expansive messaging 627 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,680 because you're blinded by what, like you said, 628 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,080 trying to force this prophecy, whatever, to be fulfilled. 629 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,840 It's wild to watch. 630 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,160 It's happening now. 631 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,880 People want this perfect red heifer to be, 632 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,560 if you go back to the people who want the rapture to happen, 633 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,080 they're trying to find the perfect red heifer 634 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,440 so that it could be sacrificed 635 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,640 or the temple can be rebuilt 636 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,920 and then we could do all those silly things 637 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,440 in the book of Revelation 638 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,240 that for a lot of people 639 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,320 should be taken more symbolically and not literally, 640 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,400 especially when Jesus supposedly came 641 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,840 and took away all the sacrifices, right? 642 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,240 So that's a different path, 643 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,440 but I love exactly where you're going in all this regard, 644 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,320 but I did wanna touch on something you talked about 645 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,000 in one of your posts. 646 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,840 And that was this idea 647 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,080 that you can be caught under somebody's spell. 648 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,480 So, and I think that as, 649 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,200 even if you think about a massive, 650 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,280 if you go think about Burning Man, there is vibration. 651 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280 And if you think about like house music 652 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,440 and people are really feeling good 653 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,840 and they're kind of high, let's say they're rolling, 654 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,160 they're actually in that. 655 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,680 And there is really good positive energy. 656 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,840 But at the same time, 657 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,040 and I don't know if this is conspiratorial, 658 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,080 but like when Taylor Swift gets up on stage 659 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600 and she's on a cube, which is Saturn 660 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,880 and people are freaking just, 661 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,640 she's feeding off of that energy. 662 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,200 And my friend was telling me this and I'm like, 663 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,600 wait a minute, maybe that's not off. 664 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,320 I see cubes all over the place. 665 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,760 And is there something to that? 666 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,600 Right? 667 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,440 So the question, yeah, right? 668 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,800 So is that a real thing where people are like, 669 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,680 listen, I love this power. 670 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,680 I love being at the center of this. 671 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,240 And I'm, all these people are screaming, 672 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,600 loving me and adoring me. 673 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,120 And I'm gonna soak that up, right? 674 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,440 Is that not accurate? 675 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,920 I don't know. 676 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,160 It's so accurate. 677 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,680 I mean, I think that's so, 678 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,360 it's one of the things that I've really, really, 679 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,280 really like reflected and contemplated on because, 680 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,920 as someone doing business online, 681 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:00,760 I mean, you guys know, right? 682 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,440 You have a podcast, you have social media, right? 683 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,560 You have a message you're sharing out there. 684 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,360 And in the digital world, it's like, I totally, 685 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:12,240 when I started my business as a coach, as a mentor, 686 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480 and I was putting my stuff out there, 687 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,640 I was caught in this, like, this spell, if you will, 688 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,200 of like, oh, like, let me try to be famous, right? 689 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,360 And then as I was going about my path, 690 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,760 I started to realize very quickly, 691 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,720 like, it's not about that. 692 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,320 And nobody that's like bringing my message, 693 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,520 bringing what I talk about is ever gonna be like, 694 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,160 quote unquote, famous on that level, 695 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,400 because there's something, 696 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000 and it never quite sat right with me. 697 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,080 When you look at the level of fame 698 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,560 that some celebrities achieve, 699 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,240 there's nothing organic about that. 700 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,680 No, correct. 701 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,640 There's nothing, it's not organic. 702 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,560 It's not, it's not happenstance either, 703 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,640 in many ways, right? Right. 704 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,480 Yeah, yeah. 705 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,640 So, it's just so orchestrated, and it is. 706 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,200 It's like such a spell, and it's such a, 707 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,840 it's like a loop, it's like a, 708 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,880 it's like a manufactured loop, 709 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,200 because in our truest self, right? 710 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,320 Like, when we really connect with our divine selves, 711 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,440 and we're in that higher consciousness, 712 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,560 it's like, there is nothing outside of you 713 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,560 that would bring that level of adoration and obsession, 714 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,720 and just the craziness that you see 715 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,720 with fans of things like that. It's crazy. 716 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,400 You know what I mean? And it's changing a lot, right? 717 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600 I mean, we're literally looking at her changing 718 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,040 the trajectory of an election. 719 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,840 And everybody's thinking, okay, at the end of the game, 720 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,440 Kelsey's gonna get down on his knee, 721 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,040 and he's gonna propose to her, right? 722 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,920 And imagine what that did for the NFL. 723 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760 I mean, the NFL is just going bonkers now. 724 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,840 No way in hell, we're gonna let the Ravens win. 725 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,080 We're gonna have the Chiefs there. 726 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,720 We're gonna have Taylor there, all the Swifties. 727 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Imagine what that's gonna do for eyeballs and advertising. 728 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,520 It's all part of the pattern, right? 729 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,000 She was worth $200 billion. 730 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,040 My, what? $200 billion? 731 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,720 That's how much impact she had on the NFL. 732 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,360 Gosh. Yeah. 733 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:04,440 Wow. 734 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,200 And imagine the energetic cost of like what, 735 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,640 the energy that is being taken and you... 736 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,480 Incredible. 737 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,040 Talk about the Matrix, right? 738 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,760 Everybody's sitting in their pods, 739 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,320 turning energy to feed the fricking machine all over. 740 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,120 I mean, this is just, it's just another parallel cycle, 741 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:24,960 another story. 742 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,440 It's just the same fricking thing. 743 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,720 Yeah, Lindsay, let me ask you this question. 744 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640 What, who do you think is the Matrix, 745 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,880 or what is the Matrix in your view? 746 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,720 Yeah. 747 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320 So, I mean, I think it's us. 748 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,320 I think we are it. 749 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,680 I think it is a perfect creation that it, 750 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,680 like, because again, so I spent time where I felt like, 751 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,840 no, no, no, no, you know, it's separate 752 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,520 and somebody's controlling it. 753 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,640 And it is like this thing that we have to fight against. 754 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,840 And the more I sat with that, 755 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,120 and the more I started to like explore the word Matrix 756 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640 and the root of it and the etymology of it, 757 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,640 it actually comes back to connection with like mother energy 758 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,480 and womb energy and like womb space. 759 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,320 Yeah. 760 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,840 Cleveland, Cleveland talked about this. 761 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,680 Yeah. 762 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,520 It's in the Bible. 763 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,680 Yeah. 764 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,600 It's our space to wake us up to our potential. 765 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,360 All of it. 766 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,200 That's awesome. 767 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,040 Mm-hmm. 768 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,920 See, that's a positive way to look at it. 769 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,600 That's what I appreciate about what you're, 770 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,800 on your videos is it's very easy to go negative 771 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,560 and dark with the Matrix because you get, 772 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,320 it's the blaming part, which doesn't really do a lot. 773 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,320 To call out the best part of it is really 774 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,520 what I think is the value. 775 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,280 And that's what you do really, really well, 776 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,480 is you call out, what happens when you step out 777 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,320 of the Matrix? 778 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,240 What does life feel like? 779 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,280 That's all I do. 780 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,800 You know, I just say, this is what life looks like 781 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,720 when you aren't controlled by that mindset. 782 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,560 Yeah. 783 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,800 And you're going out constantly in the cycle of just reaction. 784 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,440 And when you recognize your power as a creator, 785 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,600 and you know, the first, I always joke, 786 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,160 because I'm like, oh yeah, every time you think 787 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,320 you get to the basement of the rabbit hole, 788 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,640 the trap door falls out and there's another layer, right? 789 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,840 You find another layer of something you thought was one way 790 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,000 and then you find out it's actually another way. 791 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,400 And so in one of those moments where I was in 792 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,080 a full existential crisis, because it was, 793 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,520 it was like right at the beginning of COVID. 794 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,760 And I forget, oh, oh, oh. 795 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,520 So it was like, I had this moment where all of these people 796 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,360 that I knew were all of a sudden like rejecting 797 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,080 all of these teachings and they were all going running back 798 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,920 to like Christianity and dogmatic, like church teachings. 799 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,160 And I was like, oh, this is really interesting. 800 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,120 And of course, the way that I am, 801 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,600 when I see something like that happening, 802 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,200 I start to then question myself. 803 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040 And so I had this whole moment where I had 804 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,160 to really like look at everything that I was buying into 805 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,400 and everything that I was believing. 806 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,160 And I had like unpacked this whole program of like, 807 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,720 oh my God, am I getting it wrong? 808 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,720 Am I gonna go to hell? 809 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,520 Like, am I gonna fuck it up, right? 810 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,120 And I had to go back in. 811 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,920 And that was when I started rereading the Bible, 812 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,280 but from a more metaphysical perspective 813 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680 rather than a dogmatic perspective. 814 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,400 And I started to find that like, okay, 815 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,320 I didn't have to reject any of it 816 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,040 because that's when I could really see my consciousness 817 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,840 like evolving more into oneness and out of separation. 818 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,600 But before that, I had the moment where it was like, 819 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,200 I was like ready to like full go to war, right? 820 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Like I was the government and the this and the that 821 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,000 and the slave masters. 822 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280 And I was just like, so, 823 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,200 and I had to go through that process, right? 824 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,760 I had to like identify that inner victim within myself. 825 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,580 And I had to let that- 826 00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:52,400 That's a victim mindset, that's a victim mindset. 827 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,200 Yeah, I'm glad you called that out. 828 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,920 But this is so incredible, Jonathan and Lindsay, 829 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,800 because we had a guest on just last week 830 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,000 who talked about, he used to read the Bible in some way, 831 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,320 but he realized that the Bible's more reflection of himself. 832 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,600 When I was an apologist, 833 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,380 I would find those particular passages in the Bible 834 00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:13,260 that justified my position, 835 00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:15,520 as opposed to letting the freaking intentionality 836 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,280 and the spirit of what's in the Bible speak all the grace 837 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,400 and truth like that. 838 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,180 But more importantly, even than that, 839 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:24,300 going back to the matrix, 840 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,300 what was really nuts is that Neo was in the matrix, 841 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760 he was bound by the rules of the machine. 842 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,520 He went back to the authoritarian thing, 843 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,120 which your friends you just talked about 844 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,400 went back to the dogmatic thing. 845 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,600 And when he stays in that particular place, 846 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,320 he can't beat Morpheus in the simulation. 847 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,840 Only when he realizes he's extant from that 848 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,680 and he's greater and he starts to realize 849 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,840 that he is the one, 850 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,160 is he able to not only dodge bullets, 851 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,240 but don't forget, he says, you won't need to, right? 852 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,440 And he just stops them dead, but it gets even better. 853 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,860 He goes beyond even that dichotomy of the machine. 854 00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:05,400 And we talked about this too, Jonathan, a week ago. 855 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,560 He goes beyond the dichotomy of the humans in Zion 856 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,400 and the machine. 857 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,300 He actually joins forces with the machine 858 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,860 to come up with a third way to take out the rogue person 859 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:16,920 who's causing destruction for everybody. 860 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600 Agent Smith was to become the real virus 861 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,080 as he starts to replicate himself. 862 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,940 So when he finally let go and realized this is the case, 863 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:26,800 that's good. 864 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,160 We still, I think because there's so much uncertainty 865 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,920 and because so many people haven't really vibrated 866 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,320 or elevated, they still need that authoritarian person 867 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,580 to show them the certainty 868 00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:39,320 because living in uncertainty is not fun, is it? 869 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,780 It's not fun when you can't be comfortable in who you are 870 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:48,640 and how you're loved and how powerful you can be, right? 871 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,740 You can get glimpses of it, and he did, 872 00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:51,840 but then ultimately he got there. 873 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,280 And so I think so many of us are still 874 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,520 in those earlier stages where we still need to go back 875 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,180 to what's known, even though we know what's wrong. 876 00:33:57,180 --> 00:34:00,520 Like Cypher goes back into the matrix with his steak. 877 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,500 He goes, I don't care, make it go away. 878 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:03,640 I'm gonna give up everybody. 879 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,780 And he's there with agents with eating his steak, 880 00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:07,440 drinking his wine, smoking a cigar. 881 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,600 He knows what the best thing to do is, 882 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,120 and yet he still wants to go back, right? 883 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,880 He plugged me back in, make me forget everything 884 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,800 that just happened. 885 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,520 Crazy. 886 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,640 Lindsay, what was the, 887 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,600 did you struggle to go in and out of the matrix? 888 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,560 Cause what I'm realizing is the matrix is two places, 889 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,480 almost in your brain. 890 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,120 You're in it, you're out of it. 891 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,440 And did you struggle with going, falling back into it? 892 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,280 And kind of- 893 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,440 Definitely. 894 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,400 So the biggest thing for me, my biggest teacher 895 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,800 has been money and business and learning how to, 896 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,020 because I would have all of this profound understanding 897 00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:53,560 and this liberation. 898 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,600 And then I would go and I would try to like work 899 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,000 on my business or marketing or write like, 900 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,280 and I would get sucked right back into this idea 901 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,840 that like, well, I have to do it this way, right? 902 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,400 Like, here's the way that you get to success 903 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,080 and here's how you get to make money. 904 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,040 And you have to follow these steps 905 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,240 and would never work for me. 906 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,640 And it wasn't until I let that also start to evolve 907 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,760 out of any like rules or like that box of the matrix 908 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,560 that it actually started working for me. 909 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,480 But yeah, it was like anything money related, 910 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,360 because for me, I think this is where like 911 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,960 our nervous systems come in, right? 912 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,720 It's like, and everybody's got something. 913 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:36,040 And I mean, most of the world is just like 914 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,640 in a chronically hijacked nervous system state, right? 915 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,440 Like chronically in that like fight, flight, freeze, 916 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,360 like, because whatever they're doing, 917 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,240 they're not even taking that time to unplug. 918 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,200 And I really believe like we can't unplug 919 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,000 until we get our nervous systems in order. 920 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,640 But for me, the one thing that continued to like 921 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160 just hijack my nervous system was money, 922 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,160 because it was like some of my programming personally 923 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,080 that I'm here to like clear out and evolve through 924 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,960 is our relationship with money and abundance 925 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,800 and prosperity and what that looks like 926 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,600 and how we get in and what it takes and all of those things. 927 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,920 So a hundred percent, yeah, I kept, you know, 928 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,280 I'd have to dip my toe back in, dive in the deep end, 929 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,240 spend some time there, yeah. 930 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,440 It's fair, I mean, yeah. 931 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,120 I appreciate your definition of the matrix. 932 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,680 It clarifies something for me, 933 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,520 because the way you picture it, 934 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,800 and tell me if this is correct, 935 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,560 is that the matrix is actually our collective imagination. 936 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,680 It's the story we tell ourselves as a world. 937 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,040 And you have a little part of it, 938 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,360 but you're collected to the whole of it. 939 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,120 And it's not always true, 940 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,080 because it's very easy to manipulate. 941 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,200 And who are those people that are manipulating it 942 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,280 from your perspective? 943 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,840 Is there string pullers or is it, 944 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,160 it's just that's the alchemy 945 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,080 and the algorithm of it all together. 946 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,560 Yeah, totally. 947 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,720 I definitely think there's people pulling the strings, 948 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,000 you know, I think, and that's where we can start to get into, 949 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,320 like you can trace these people and these family lines back, 950 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,240 like all the way through history 951 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,080 and through the name changes and through, 952 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,920 and for me, it started, 953 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,840 like when I started to really look at it, 954 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,280 and I'm like, why does anybody need 955 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,840 like actually that much money, right? 956 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,040 Like, and that's what really caught my attention 957 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,600 was why some of these like groups and corporations 958 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,600 and families are so driven by like greed, 959 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,200 that it's like at any cost, they need more, 960 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,600 even though they already have like bajillions of trillions, 961 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,200 they need more, they need more. 962 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,280 And I got really, really curious about that. 963 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,800 And I started to recognize how, you know, 964 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,880 through this whole like vibrational, you know, 965 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,560 reality and the dimensions, 966 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,840 it's like we have all these layers of various frequencies 967 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,840 going closer and closer and closer and back into oneness. 968 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,680 We also have those frequencies in the other direction, 969 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,960 you know, and there are beings, humans, 970 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,120 consciousnesses, beings of consciousness 971 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,720 that are so deep into the separation 972 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,640 that there's just no recognition within themselves, 973 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,200 that they are also an aspect of spirit. 974 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,040 It's like, right? 975 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960 And it's like, that's the kind of like 976 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,560 the full spectrum of polarity 977 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680 that I feel like I don't really fully understand 978 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,200 why it is that way yet, 979 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,320 but I definitely, definitely, definitely believe 980 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,760 that there are humans on the planet 981 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,760 who are just so in that vibration of separation 982 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,280 that they are the ones that are, you know, 983 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,960 so driven by like survival and greed and domination 984 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,080 and power. 985 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:45,920 The power. 986 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,360 Yeah, the power. 987 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,120 Because think about anybody who's that driven by power 988 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,360 at the core of their being is gonna be powerlessness, 989 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,600 because you don't need to exert that much power 990 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,200 in the world unless you feel powerless on the inside. 991 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,440 You know, when we truly are in our power, 992 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,440 we don't have to dominate other people. 993 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,920 Did you ever see the girl with the dragon tattoo? 994 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,120 I did, yeah, once. 995 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,960 I saw it once and I did see the book. 996 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,040 You know the movie, right? 997 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:12,880 Yeah. 998 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,360 The book is an amazing book. 999 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,960 It's both an amazing book and movie. 1000 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,440 The story is about a woman who gets involved 1001 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,640 with a reporter that infiltrates a very wealthy family. 1002 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,640 And what we realize is they're a really screwed up family. 1003 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,840 And I think that's the illusion we have of history 1004 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,200 is that, oh, if you have a ton of wealth, 1005 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,720 you're dignified. 1006 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,000 That's not true. 1007 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,320 That's not true at all. 1008 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,160 So not true. 1009 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,440 You know, money distorts things to the nth degree. 1010 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,960 You're incapable of stopping that process. 1011 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,360 100%. 1012 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,200 Yeah. 1013 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,040 And I think that's the money. 1014 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,840 That's the, those are, and I, and dude, 1015 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,200 you sent me probably one of the most interesting videos 1016 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,760 I've seen in a while is, I don't remember his name. 1017 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,440 The 1% controls the 4%. 1018 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,280 4% controls the 90%. 1019 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,280 That stops 5% from influencing the 90%. 1020 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,560 That's the war going on in the matrix. 1021 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,800 Yeah, that's brilliant thought. 1022 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,960 Yeah, yeah, so this gal was talking about, 1023 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,720 yeah, the 1% controls everything. 1024 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,760 The 4% of the puppets, so they appear to have a lot, right? 1025 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,360 But they're actually, they're actually, you know, 1026 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,680 they're orchestrating the show. 1027 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,480 The 90% of the ones that are the dummies, the zombies, right? 1028 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,640 That's the unawake, and then there's a 5%. 1029 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,720 They're trying to wake up the 90%. 1030 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,240 And the 1%, and the 4% are trying to prevent the 5% 1031 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,360 from helping the 90%, right? 1032 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,120 And yeah, it was a crazy thought. 1033 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,920 And these guys were just, their minds were blown 1034 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,960 and it's brilliant. 1035 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,960 I guess the question is, how do we, I mean, 1036 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,760 is this the black swan? 1037 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,320 Is this the Aquarius? 1038 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,560 Is this the awakening that the power is? 1039 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,280 And we're starting to see it with X. 1040 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,120 We're starting to see things that normally 1041 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,040 would have been shut down by the mainstream media 1042 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,440 are getting exposed, right? 1043 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,600 I mean, the idea of Tucker meeting with Putin, you know, 1044 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,840 and people talking about that 1045 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,080 and how he got kicked out of Fox 1046 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,280 and he's got his own thing out. 1047 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,640 We're not trying to talk about, you know, 1048 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,280 left and right politics here, 1049 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,240 but overall it does appear that this kind of shift happening. 1050 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:23,400 And I think you might have even talked about this 1051 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,200 on an audio text that you put on Instagram about, 1052 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,480 did you feel something happening? 1053 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,960 I almost reached out to you and Cleaver and Jonathan 1054 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,320 about a week ago, I'm like, 1055 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,880 you guys, what the hell is going on? 1056 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,360 I'm fricking feeling something is going on. 1057 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,280 And then it just kind of passed, right? 1058 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,440 And then it was that, but there was, 1059 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,280 I almost reached out to both of you guys 1060 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,640 and you had felt something like on the 29th, 1061 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,800 maybe the 30th. 1062 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080 Yeah, I forget the word. 1063 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,200 It was the beginning of age requires, it was January 20th. 1064 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,720 Okay, well, there was this, there was this, 1065 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,200 there's two things, there was a term for it. 1066 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,120 Kali Yuga, there was the Kali Yuga on the 15th, 1067 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,000 supposedly, but then there was the Merkata, 1068 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,800 or there's another thing that happened on the 20th. 1069 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,680 And I think all it is, is just different semantics 1070 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,080 for the same general thing 1071 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,480 that's kind of moving into place. 1072 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,800 Cause we do get caught up on even time, right? 1073 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,000 If time is no thing that, why are we actually saying 1074 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,920 it's actually time for this to happen? 1075 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,400 But that being said, tell us how we help ourselves 1076 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,800 and others break through and is it time 1077 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,680 to start seeing the movement with this, Lindsay? 1078 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,520 Tell us about it. 1079 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,360 What's the detox? 1080 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,240 You talk about the matrix detox. 1081 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,560 Well, so, for me, it happened when I started to, 1082 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,920 when I shifted from, so like that 1% and that 4%, right? 1083 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,920 And then there's like, when I started truly seeing it all 1084 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,880 as one thing and really sitting with it 1085 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,040 from the lens of oneness and being able to say, 1086 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,680 okay, if I truly believe in oneness, 1087 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,600 if I am truly feeling viscerally that oneness is the truth, 1088 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,520 then there's nothing that's not God. 1089 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,720 There is nothing that's not mine. 1090 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:05,320 So I said, can I now look at these quote unquote 1%, 1091 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,120 these puppet masters, right? 1092 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,080 Can I look at them and include them in that? 1093 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,120 And at first I was like, absolutely not. 1094 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,960 Rejecting it. 1095 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,800 Right? 1096 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,640 And then I would come back to it. 1097 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,680 And it was baby steps in the beginning, you know? 1098 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,920 And I started to truly understand that like, 1099 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,040 at the core of my being, I believe that nothing happens 1100 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,600 in this universe without our consent, right? 1101 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,280 I believe if we are participating in something, 1102 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,600 there is some level of consent. 1103 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,560 And that's one of the things that gets manipulated 1104 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,560 in this reality, right? 1105 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,200 Through movies and TVs, like there's a lot of ways 1106 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,240 we subliminally agree to things that we don't realize 1107 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,120 we're agreeing to co-create. 1108 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,720 It's very, very, very subconscious process. 1109 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,320 And so if I believe that, I had to really start and say, 1110 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,280 okay, well then if that's the truth, 1111 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,400 I'm very logical, right? 1112 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,200 As a mental projector, logic is my jam. 1113 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,000 So it was like, if that's the truth, 1114 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,760 well then these people have no control 1115 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,040 unless we're consenting to it. 1116 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,360 So if they're an aspect of us, we don't have to fight them. 1117 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,320 We simply need to just get in here 1118 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,440 and address the aspects of our own programming 1119 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,680 that is continuing to consent to being oppressed 1120 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,400 and enslaved and being batteries for this reality. 1121 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,560 And it's like, we're gonna do, I think we are doing that 1122 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,880 slowly but surely, it's happening. 1123 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,080 But I really, really, and that's why the whole thing, 1124 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,600 I'm like, instead of revolting against what's out there, 1125 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,800 make the revolution in your consciousness. 1126 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,400 Be so revolutionary in your own consciousness 1127 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,400 that you just completely begin to transmute 1128 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,840 anything within you that feels disempowered, 1129 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,840 separated, divided, aggressive, enslaved, whatever it is, 1130 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,440 just address it within and then naturally, 1131 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,840 we're gonna begin to create a reality outside 1132 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,440 where all of those quote unquote people empowered, 1133 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,240 it's like they dissolve away 1134 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:04,040 because there's just no need for them anymore. 1135 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,520 There's no energy anymore, yeah. 1136 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,880 I love it, oh my gosh. 1137 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,720 Yes, yes. 1138 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,840 I love your analogy of the battery. 1139 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,480 That to me, back to the matrix, everybody was a battery. 1140 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,360 But the idea of the top is sucking out the energy 1141 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,040 and that's a great analogy, I love that. 1142 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:20,880 Yeah. 1143 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,800 I love just the whole thing. 1144 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160 I mean, and then, you've talked about it more 1145 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,400 in a term called a projector, right? 1146 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,400 I don't think we've really talked about 1147 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,840 too much about being a projector, 1148 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,320 but I think that kind of energy you just talked about 1149 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,600 is about the projection, right? 1150 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,960 How do we take all these things that we know? 1151 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,240 And I love how you're going on this 1152 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,760 because we talked a lot about universalism, 1153 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,000 which in the Christian faith, 1154 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960 a Christian universalist actually believes 1155 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,040 that at the end of time, 1156 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,000 God will restore all people to himself, right? 1157 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,120 Even the 1%. 1158 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,640 Even the 1%, the Hitlers, the Idiomans, the Pol Potts, 1159 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,760 even the Zuckerbergs of the world 1160 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,440 who are testifying in front of Congress. 1161 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,680 This is, and I still get, 1162 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,360 this is why I still fall back into the matrix. 1163 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,840 I'm watching him testify in front of Congress 1164 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,360 and this Senator or Congressman is looking at him and said, 1165 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,880 you know, it's been reported that, you know, 1166 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,400 meta actually hurts young girls, 1167 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,840 whether it's, you know, bulimia, 1168 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,160 like eating disorders or all kinds of things. 1169 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,000 And he goes, no, we don't. 1170 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,880 He goes, well, how about this? 1171 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,920 This is your own study. 1172 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,800 This is your own people researching it. 1173 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,840 And he's still denying it. 1174 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,400 He is looking at him and he's saying, 1175 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,400 well, no, that's not what we do. 1176 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,880 Dude, your own company produced their own findings 1177 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,600 that it actually is hurting girls. 1178 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,880 Outside of the fact that it encourages pedophilia, right? 1179 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,520 It encourages the key words to come in 1180 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,960 and actually not only just makes it easy, 1181 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,160 but actually it encourages. 1182 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,160 And I look at that and I go, burn, burn, burn, burn. 1183 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,080 He's looking at these people aloof and smug. 1184 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,000 And yet at the same time, there's fear, right? 1185 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,640 You have to, the same thing you mentioned, 1186 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,360 all these, the Rothschilds, 1187 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,760 maybe I could just say it out loud. 1188 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,640 You know, the families that just control so much, right? 1189 00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,440 Is it fear? 1190 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,800 They have fear back there in the back of their mind. 1191 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,240 There's fear, right? 1192 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:04,080 And yeah. 1193 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,080 It's the presumption of fear. 1194 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,720 It doesn't actually have to be real. 1195 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,280 It just has to be, you have to think that it's possible. 1196 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,120 That's it. 1197 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,760 It's just the presumption of it is enough to stop people. 1198 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,560 And cause I, Lindsay, I like what you're talking about 1199 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,920 in terms of the way to win the war 1200 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,040 is not to fight the 1%. 1201 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,520 It's to be the better solution. 1202 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,360 Right. 1203 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,280 And the more, the more the 5% at the bottom 1204 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,680 that's waking or has woken up, 1205 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,680 we don't need to convert the 90. 1206 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,760 We don't need to change the four, the one. 1207 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,320 We just need to be a magnifier of what's true. 1208 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,160 That's it. 1209 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,440 And I love that idea because anybody can do that. 1210 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,400 Like you don't need to change the world. 1211 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,320 You just need to change yourself. 1212 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,360 Right. 1213 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,400 Right. 1214 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,000 It's like, I always think of, you know, 1215 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000 they say Nelson Mandela when he was locked up in prison, 1216 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,040 he had a quote that, you know, you can lock me up physically, 1217 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,760 but you know, you can, you can imprison my body, 1218 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,280 but you'll never imprison my mind. 1219 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,760 And all through, everywhere we look, 1220 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,880 it is being shown to us like how powerful our minds are. 1221 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,520 And, you know, until when we can finally get to that place 1222 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,920 where, because that's the thing too, 1223 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,560 like when we really get it, and I'm not perfect at this. 1224 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,560 I have my moments where I get pulled in 1225 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,520 and I react, right? 1226 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,280 We're all, we're all doing it. 1227 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,360 But the core of my being, I feel so truly 1228 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,600 that like when we understand what we are 1229 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,600 and we understand our power, there is nobody, 1230 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,080 there is nothing that has to be convinced, right? 1231 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,680 Like any type of like convincing and changing and fight, 1232 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,160 like we look at history, there goes my light. 1233 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,480 We look at history and, you know, we find, 1234 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,720 it's just littered with violence and aggression and war 1235 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,960 in the name of my beliefs or your beliefs or my God 1236 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,480 or your God and all of that. 1237 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,240 And it's like, that just isn't it. 1238 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,520 You know, I think we're very quickly like evolving 1239 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,600 to the place where we're recognizing that ain't it. 1240 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,120 You know, that is not it. 1241 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,560 That is all through our own conceptions of what we think. 1242 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,040 And until we can get to the place where we can stop 1243 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,720 immediately going to like violence and aggression 1244 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,200 and we're seeing it, that's why it's so elevated right now. 1245 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,600 I firmly believe that the reason, the division, if you will, 1246 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,400 seems to be so, people are always like, 1247 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,040 oh, we've never been more divided. 1248 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,600 And that's like, actually we have been, 1249 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,280 it's just been very much in the shadows. 1250 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,240 We just haven't noticed it. 1251 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,320 But now the light of consciousness is so bright. 1252 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,360 It seems like we're more divided than ever, 1253 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,440 but actually it's just being revealed 1254 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,320 because we can't create something different 1255 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,480 until we get this. 1256 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,320 So we start saying like, why do we create so much division? 1257 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,760 Well, it's because we're divided in ourselves, right? 1258 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,280 We're at war with ourselves constantly. 1259 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,600 And until we can shift that and we can meet ourselves 1260 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,120 from the darkest parts to the lightest parts 1261 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,720 with love and compassion, that's when we'll then 1262 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,680 create that type of world outside of ourselves as well. 1263 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,000 Yeah, Lindsay, we got time for about two more questions. 1264 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,400 So Rich, I'll think about one. 1265 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,440 I love your stuff on Instagram. 1266 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,360 So if you listen or follow Instagram, 1267 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,080 what is your handle on Instagram so people can find you? 1268 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,480 Yeah, so it's at I am Linz Karatardi. 1269 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,320 You know what? 1270 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,160 Okay. 1271 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,520 And come to mind in Much Love, Brink, 1272 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,840 and you can find me on Instagram. 1273 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,240 Much Love, Brink, and you can find her. 1274 00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:46,080 She's absent. 1275 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,800 But my question to you is, what inspires, 1276 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,600 because you're bent is in helping people detox. 1277 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,600 What is the simple understanding behind why you do that? 1278 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,200 Why do you spend the time? 1279 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,160 Because your production value is very high. 1280 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,800 It's very quality. 1281 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,960 I love what you do. 1282 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,680 What's your story about that? 1283 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,520 Why you do that? 1284 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,040 It's just like there's just no, 1285 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,360 like it just is. 1286 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,160 It's like, I can't imagine not doing that. 1287 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,400 You know, it's literally like my calling. 1288 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,960 It's just like breathing for me. 1289 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,880 It's like I have to. 1290 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,720 I just have to. 1291 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,120 Even if I was never getting paid, 1292 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,280 if nobody ever hired me as their coach or their mentor, 1293 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,120 I would still be talking and writing and doing it. 1294 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,760 Yeah. 1295 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:37,680 I'm gonna sneak one in real quick, Rich, 1296 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,160 because she answered it really quickly. 1297 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:44,160 What is your primary like talking point 1298 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,360 so people can understand what you really talk about? 1299 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:50,440 Yeah. 1300 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,400 What do you really share about most? 1301 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,920 It's consciousness. 1302 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,200 You know, it is just, 1303 00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,120 it is restoring your own personal recognition 1304 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,280 of yourself as the creator. 1305 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,840 Just that God self within, 1306 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,840 liberating that God self within. 1307 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,840 Do you have a retreat coming up? 1308 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,720 Did I see that something, you've got a retreat, 1309 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,160 or maybe that was an older post, 1310 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,440 or do you have something coming up 1311 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,760 and tell us a little bit about that? 1312 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,800 And one of the things, 1313 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,040 the reason I bring that up is you're trying to collect 1314 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,000 group of people together. 1315 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,800 One of the things I do, transcendental meditation, 1316 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,440 and it's been proven when they get a lot of people together 1317 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,720 and they meditate, you can reduce the rate of crime. 1318 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,920 And I think they saw something happen in Baltimore. 1319 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,840 And when, you know, the more and more people get plugged in 1320 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,400 to that kind of transcendental state, 1321 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,160 and they're unified. 1322 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,280 And, you know, I don't know if you've ever meditated 1323 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:47,880 with somebody together, but I have, 1324 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,160 and it's just effortless, and it just feels so good, 1325 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,600 because it's the energy. 1326 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,520 And that's why Jesus says, 1327 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,840 whenever two or three are gathered in my name, 1328 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,120 they're either, I am, right there in their midst, right? 1329 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,040 So tell us a little bit about the retreat 1330 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,720 and what you're hoping to get out of it, 1331 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,240 and tell us a little about it, yeah. 1332 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,360 Yeah, I love that you brought up the two or more gathered, 1333 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,200 because that's Jesus. 1334 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,320 So I have a couple of things coming up. 1335 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,560 So some of what I do is also to connect it to human design, 1336 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,640 the human design system and all of that. 1337 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,800 Okay. 1338 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,640 Did I free? 1339 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,480 Okay, we're good, sorry. 1340 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,960 So I have a retreat. 1341 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,800 Is it me? 1342 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,320 I don't know, there's been a little bit of spotting this. 1343 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,280 Yeah, yeah. 1344 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,600 I think it's probably mine, 1345 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,840 because we've been having snow storms, 1346 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,040 and our wifi is not that good sometimes there. 1347 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:31,880 Got it. 1348 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,320 Yes, so I have a virtual retreat coming up. 1349 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,800 That one is for, it's human design related. 1350 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,640 So one of the modalities I use 1351 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,520 as I'm guiding people is human design. 1352 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,520 So that retreat is for human design projectors. 1353 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,680 And then I also do have a mastermind coming up 1354 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,800 that is called the consciousness revolution. 1355 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,320 And that's the one that is really bringing people together 1356 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,880 over a period of three months 1357 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,560 to where two or more are gathered, you know, 1358 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,160 to be in our purpose and just raise the energy 1359 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,440 and raise the frequency and really activate people 1360 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,240 and bring people together, yeah. 1361 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,120 And then hopefully later this year or early next year, 1362 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,080 the in-person retreats will come. 1363 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,280 Awesome, that sounds great. 1364 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,360 Awesome, that's all right. 1365 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,200 So Lindsay, this has been everything I hoped it would be. 1366 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,640 I appreciate you coming, thank you. 1367 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,480 This has been, we love talking about the matrix 1368 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,520 and you fit right in, so thank you. 1369 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,880 I love the story, I love the analogy. 1370 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,760 It was about, it was beautiful. 1371 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,440 It was all tied in and it just, 1372 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,240 it had brought so many different things together. 1373 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,720 And we're seeing a lot of the similarity. 1374 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,600 You're a different person, you're unique, 1375 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,360 but we're talking about the same things. 1376 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,040 They are literally the same things. 1377 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,720 And the more we talk and the more we bring visibility 1378 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,880 and the more we learn, the less we fall back, right? 1379 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,600 And the more we move forward, right? 1380 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,840 Jonathan, we rise to those levels of consciousness 1381 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,400 and vibration and we can still come back. 1382 00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,760 It's fine, we're human, right? 1383 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,320 We do these things, but then to get to that higher level 1384 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,320 and to see it resonate, to see it, 1385 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,560 to co-create it literally in front of us 1386 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,320 and to see it change things over the next six months 1387 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,800 to a year, it could be very exciting, right? 1388 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,240 I love it, I live for it. 1389 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:18,760 And yeah, I've loved being on here. 1390 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,760 Thank you guys for having me, definitely. 1391 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,480 So like I said, so easy and natural, 1392 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,200 just feels like, yep, we're all on this soul mission. 1393 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,280 We're doing this thing and here we go. 1394 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,720 Exactly. 1395 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,840 All right, thank you, Lindsay. 1396 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,000 Thank you to our listeners. 1397 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,080 This has absolutely been one of my favorites 1398 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,000 because you've given me so many good nuggets to think about, 1399 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,440 especially, gosh, I'm gonna have to really turn 1400 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,680 through this one, because this one really hit me 1401 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,880 in a lot of ideas that you've given me. 1402 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,800 So thank you, Lindsay. 1403 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:50,760 Thank you to our listeners. 1404 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,560 Please comment, review, let us know what you're thinking. 1405 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:58,160 And if you press the follow button, it'd be great. 1406 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,000 We love all of you. 1407 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,320 Thank you for being our listeners. 1408 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,800 This has been another wonderful episode 1409 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,680 of Living in the Matrix. 1410 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,320 All right, everybody, much love. 1411 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:23,720 And we'll see you next time.