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Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right, but the bottom line is,

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is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.

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And so when you ask me what's on my heart, I think it's trying to explain, well,

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number one for me personally is like, I got to really pump the brakes and realize

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where I start people is probably way too advanced in their world of what healthy life balance is

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and mindful is. And I don't mean that like I'm better in there, not or I'm smarter and they're

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not just. No, but Sean, you've been studying it for decades. 25 years. And if you can,

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my own weight loss journey started, you know, 15 years old. And so I mean, I've been here heavy,

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oh man, I was, remember that story, the nurse looks at me and goes, Sean, you realize you're

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five foot three and weigh nearly 200 pounds. Oh, shit. I didn't realize you got that thing.

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I didn't know that. No, no, I didn't know that. I didn't know that when every girl

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laughs when I ask them out. And you know, I didn't know that I can't, I fit in Huskies. I really

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didn't know. Thanks for informing me of that. But yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. I was just

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going to say so, I mean, not that that was motivating, you know, what's really was motivating was,

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you know, girls was motivating. And if I'm to be real honest, and so I just, you know, I decided

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to drop weight and start working out and I lost 60 pounds in six months between my sophomore and

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junior year in high school. And so, and I was like a different person next year. I mean, literally,

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people didn't know I was the same person, which is so ridiculous. Because now all the people,

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you know, that is the perfect place for us to get started. Welcome everybody to living in the

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Matrix. I'm Jonathan, my co-host Rich is not here today. But we have back one of my very best

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friends, Sean, who is a chiropractor, lives up in El Dorado Hills in Northern California.

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And we have known each other for probably 20 years now. Welcome, Sean. It's so good to have you back.

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Welcome. Great to be back. Great to chat as we are already kind of fired up here.

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I know. So I want to just kick right off because you were bringing it. You lost 60 pounds in how long?

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Six months. Six months. Okay. Six months. I want to talk about this because that's a unique situation

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because it's not just like people think losing weight is about losing the weight. Like I lose

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the weight and I'm exactly the same person. I'm just 30 pounds lighter. It's not that. Right. It's

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it's how I want to ask you and to walk through this, how did that affect you spiritually,

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physically, mentally and socially? Let's talk about those four. I don't want to get your

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perspective on how did that affect you? Well, I guess I would start by saying first, let me tell

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you that I never knew I was chubby, heavy, or there was any problem until I was nine years old.

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And I remember my dad, who I met when I was nine years old. And I don't mean this to sound horrible,

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but it is kind of messed up like, Hey, son, nice to meet you. By the way, you might want to go easy

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on the cookies. And that was, I mean, it wasn't, I mean, there was a little thing. Well, not the

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first thing, but you know, at nine, you're like, but here's the interesting thing that I want to

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interject. Nine is when around the age when we start getting our prefrontal cortex. And so I'm

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curious how much of that was there. You just didn't notice it. And once you notice, you go, Oh,

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this doesn't feel good. Yeah, it was really weird. I, my first response was like to kind of reject

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it like, what are you talking about? You know, I'm nine. And, but it was a funny age. And I just

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kind of, you know, you package it up, I put it in the back of my head like, okay. And then, you know,

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three, four years later, now I'm five foot three, 200 pounds. So apparently he didn't know what he

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was talking about. It was that obvious. I was kind of last to know what gave you the weight.

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Did you eat a lot? Were you doing sugar? Total emotional eater? Well, you know,

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okay, so emotional eating. Unfortunately, it isn't just a one thing. It's hard because I also grew

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up, you know, government assistance, welfare. I mean, it's all carbohydrates. It's wick. It's,

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it's just this is the food pyramid eat tons of this stuff. So I was a cereal carbs are the cheapest

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thing you can give people. Yeah, you know, at least in America, I mean, they've become the cheapest thing.

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They really shouldn't be, you know, wild grazing animals are pretty cheap. But when you make a

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massive like, you know, corn industry and wheat industry. So yeah, I was just, but I was an emotional

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eater. It was interesting because at nine years old, that's also it is funny that I never thought

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about it connected. Nine years old when I realized maybe I was starting to get chubby. And also,

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Oh, really? Yeah, well, that comment from, you know, my father, I mean, it didn't go unnoticed.

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And I didn't, I don't remember so much any emotion attached to it. I just know that's my first memory

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of somebody saying, Hey, you know, yeah, and obviously, maybe I was overeating and I was unaware

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of myself, but either way, but that's also the same summer where emotionally might have been one of

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the hardest of my life because I got sent to go see a stranger called my father. And also, that's

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when I also was introduced to pornography that summer. So if you want to talk about melding

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sugar hormones, visual images that can't be undone and that mess. So fast forward, which is funny,

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because you know, as joking around saying, you know, I lost weight for girls, well, it kind of

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really was that was my motivation. Something in me was like, Look, this isn't going to happen unless I

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get the weight off. I didn't really care about it. I was always strong and whatever. I mean, I

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don't need to be stopped. I don't care about anything. Just I want girls to like, and so, you know,

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your motivation was to meet girls. Yeah, or girl, it wasn't even a meet girls. It was just the

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attention, the affection of others. And what better, I mean, you know, you're a man, what

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feels better than the attention of a female, especially a cute, popular, fun, young female,

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right? So as a teenage boy, I'm like, I'm not dummy. I'm like, all right, but what's funny is,

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I don't want to take too much credit that I was so disciplined either. I mean, my pride got me in

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trouble, but it also helped me start losing weight. My mom moved us to this area and I was pretty

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pissed off. I went from Santa Rosa to a place called Katadi, and I had to change schools. And we lived

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way far out from the high school, like a little over three miles. And, you know, we had a car that

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worked half the time and my mom's working two or three jobs, she's like, yeah, take the bus. I'm

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like, okay, I'm the chubby kid. I'm already in the project poor neighborhood here. I am not getting

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on that bus. So everybody knows those things. So I'm like, I'm walking my ass to school. And

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that's what I did. And what's funny is a little over three miles each way. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I mean,

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I'm walking six miles a day. And I'll tell you what, when you walk six miles a day, you start

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losing weight, right? And once I noticed I was starting to lose weight, I mean, I noticed it

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because my clothes were getting looser. Then it caught fire, like I'm on to something here. And

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then I kind of took it and ran with it. But I don't know, barring that prideful moment of my life,

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if anything really would have changed, that was, it was almost like it indirectly started happening.

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And then I observed it. And but once I got started, man, I mean, here I am all these years later,

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I'm probably still at the same thing, trying to be fit and strong. And it, I don't think it's bad.

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It's your good shape. I'm getting there. I'm trying to be like Benjamin Button, man. I'm trying to be,

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you know, leaner and leaner. I'm actually questioning that of how much does my thought of my age that

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I think I am actually affect my aging process? Well, that's where we're going with all this,

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is the mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's really, I mean, did people notice more? Yeah. Well,

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did people notice me more because I felt better about myself? Or did they notice me more because

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I just lost weight? What is it? Well, you can't ever appreciate life more when you're grateful.

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The answer is absolutely. And I think it's the perfect test is anybody can be happy.

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You just have to be grateful for what you have in this moment that right here right now. And

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when you do it completely changes your entire trajectory. Okay. So we covered the first one.

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What's the second one? I forgot. What was socially, socially, spiritually, physically, and mentally?

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Yeah. Yeah. Socially, did it improve yourself? What's that? Socially, did it improve your

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situation? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that worked. You know, my, my, I guess, dating life started

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my junior year. You know, I hadn't, my friends didn't change. I had great friends and they were the

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kind of friends who, you know, love me right or die, right? Like even if I, and here's the irony

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of it all is, you know, during that weight loss, I lost all that weight. I'm about to play football.

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And I mean, my whole life can be almost comical to some degree. You know, the whole Domino's Pizza

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30 minutes or less thing. Well, I'm part of why that doesn't exist anymore. Because I got slammed

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in a crosswalk going to school on my bike. And I wasn't walking anymore. I was going to football

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practice and I'm in a crosswalk and 30 minutes or less trying to make a right on red without stopping

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and just never looked and blasted me. And so my face hits the ground. I find the intersection.

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My teeth are all broken. My lips all ripped apart. I'm bleeding everywhere. And so then, you know,

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I finally attain this like I'm this handsome fit young man and I get my teeth knocked out.

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And so that, you know, so emotionally and spiritually, it's almost like I kept doubling down.

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Okay, well, now I got to prove, you know, so now I'm all goofed up here. So now I got to get really

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witty and really, you know, whatever, get get make people, you know, I got to keep that attention,

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right? I got to keep that affection. And so that built that. So there was nothing spiritually

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going on for quite a while. It was getting kind of worse, if anything. You know, I just went from

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being not a lot of options to now too many options. And but I pushed further into the kind of fitness

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thing and and my friends and really was always kind of living on the edge of I think that's where

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the dopamine in the brain, the reward addiction started coming from. And it was strong. It was

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like I would do, you know, whether it's working out or eating or not eating or dating or not dating,

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whatever I was going to be like, like super pure, strict, you know, like the intense, everything

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was intense. And I look back now, I'm like, Oh, I have that addictive personality and all those

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things were just triggering dopamine. So but mentally, I was sharp, you know, when you're,

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you know, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, you know, the mental abilities are sharp and the neurotransmitters,

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I hadn't burned my body out yet. So I was really, yeah, a lot of it still had a lot of energy. And

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I think that's, but it's an interesting thing about the idea of because you see people not just for

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back, you see people for weight and health as a chiropractor. What a lot, how often do you talk about

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seeing weight loss is something bigger than just losing weight? Is it usually more? Well,

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I already know just about everybody that comes in wants to lose weight too. So it doesn't even

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need to be a, it's a byproduct of everything. Yeah, yeah, because nobody's really happy with

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their body much anymore. Men, women, I mean, and it's, and even finally, when I get men,

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aren't healthy weights, now they want to gain weight, you know, I have men almost 70 years

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older, like how do I build muscle? And they're like, you know, they're basically dirty bulking.

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I'm like, what are you doing? Like, which you mean just eating a ridiculous amount of calories?

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I'm like, you're reading that those steroid editorials, aren't you for people? I mean,

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editorials by people on steroids, not normal people like us. I'm like, could do in that.

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You can't force your body and manipulate it to make these great changes, small changes over time,

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for sure. And if you're in a deficit, you can get back to kind of a homeostasis really quickly.

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But if you're already in your homeostasis, you're not put on 20 pounds of muscle in a year. You're

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not, you know what I mean? There's always a cost to doing something like that. And so,

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but yeah, most patients, if I'm to be honest, I think it's people come in and I'm not even joking.

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They don't know why they're there a lot of times. They're just like so and so said, I needed to see

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you. Or I've been to this person, that person, that person and what they're hearing doesn't sit

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right with them. And I think they're looking for hope, but they're also looking for somebody that's

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not going to sell them and take advantage of them, give them hope, but also give them results too.

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And but, but yeah, weight loss seems to be always linked into that identity and that

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just displeasure with their body. And I know that displeasure, people just, I think people just hate

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the way they look. And they hate the way they feel. And most people, no matter how good their life is,

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we can tell them, hey, be grateful. It's a great life. And they go, yeah, yeah, I know. But if

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they're to be honest, they just, they don't like their lives. And so I get a lot of people who seem

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to really be struggling with like loving themselves or liking their lives. Yeah. Do you feel kind of

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like as a doctor, sort of at the front lines of that, is that increasing? Are people becoming

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more conscious or is, is just same as it has always been people just always been unhappy?

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What do you think? Well, I mean, my circle, like, so my mom was total hippie. So like this

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looking for something deeper and more meaningful and being well and being fit is, I mean, in my world,

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I haven't seen that change much, you know, my people. But in terms of patience, absolutely.

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When I started in practice about 20, I don't know, 2001, say two, 2001, 2002, the big thing was

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carpal tunnel syndrome and fibromyalgia. I mean, it's like, Oh my gosh, who doesn't have that?

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And that was such a physical thing. And then people started kind of getting more, I think things

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like Dr. John Sarno's work about mind body pain started hitting and Eckert totally is the power

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of now. And he started talking about pain body. And I think people started realizing maybe this

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pain, well, there's all these fields now it's placebo work and understanding how much placebo.

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But there was a lot of mechanical stuff back then. And like people go to a chiropractor because

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I'm out. And you have to put me back in. And this model was so like, we were so like, bought

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into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, rack and crack, you know, line them up and just boom, they would call

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it the flying seven, it's like the neck on the left, the neck on the right, three times in the

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mid back, the low back one way, the low back, the other way, three, four, five, yeah, the flying

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seven. And I realized there's nothing wrong with mobilization. That's great. But like, okay, I

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like, okay, I just did it. What, how many times are we gonna do that? And then we start going, no,

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you just have to believe more and the power that made the body heal the body. And if I just adjust

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there, then all your symptoms go away, magic. And I'm like, okay, now we're getting into what,

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when that does happen, when you adjust somebody and something miraculous happened, I personally

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believe that's more to do with your faith in me, my faith in what we're doing, a physical touch,

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appropriate touch, and somebody just caring for you. Do I really think it's the few millimeters

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that joint segment moved and made some pressure and you heard a pop that did that? No, I mean,

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it has something to do with it. Do you think the sound of the crack gives people a sense of reassurance

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that something good is happening? Well, because it was out. And now it's back in. And here's what's

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comedy about, which is all nonsense. Like, look, oh, it's not in. Look, oh my gosh, I have a 90 degree

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problem in this joint. If it was just, oh, it restored. And if I just got a pop, then I'd be,

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like it's so silly, like I used to take x-rays of people. And if I had somebody not standing,

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right, it looked like they have a curvature and I can create this whole paradigm and philosophy

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and treatment plan based on this. And it's really like, well, did you have, did you even check to

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see if they were in the same socks? Because some people have a thick sock on and a thin sock,

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and it makes it too, like we could get into all the silliness. And then we would double down. No,

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no, no, no. Now you got to clamp the head and take extra. It's like, here's the reality. Like,

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the reality is people are very influenced by buy-in, right? They're paradigm. You connect with

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somebody's paradigm and you think you're out. And I reinforce, yes, your neck's out. And then I put

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it back in, you're fixed. But to me, that is a huge part of how placebo works. I'm not saying it's

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fake. I'm not saying it's not good. I'm just saying, you know, we explain this stuff in ways

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that are good for business. Power of influence. Yeah, really. Yeah, absolutely. Like, even down to

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like the, like I was just watching the rubber hand experiment. You ever see the rubber hand

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experiment? No. They tell somebody, look, they put a rubber hand and they say, hey, we're going to

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trip the brain and they block it so you don't see your real hand. So there's a rubber hand there.

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It looks like yours. And your hand over here, but it's covered up. And they start, they put one

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side and you start to feel pain in the rubber hand, basically. And then they catch you off guard.

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They put a hammer in and they hit your rubber hand and you scream. It's like, well, nothing happened.

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That's not you. But like, you know, or the middle room experience, right? When you got the first

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of the middle room experience, you got the person on the other side, crank them up and you feel like

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you're shocking death and you keep doing it because an authority tells you to. Like these things are

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real. These things are triggers in our brain. And I think, unfortunately, in the healing arts,

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especially, I mean, in business too, we're just, we're kind of manipulating people sometimes

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intentionally. Sometimes it's not, you go to school, you learn something, it's not even right,

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but you think it's right. So you speak that to people and it works, which is what kind of placebo

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is, right? And so I don't know how we got talking about that. You had asked about are people coming

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in more open to mindfulness and health body balance. Yeah, they are. It's a journey of yours,

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you're in chiropractic, which you do the back. But as you said, people come in with intentions of

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almost always wanting to lose weight. And it's at the end of the day, they're walking in wanting

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a mindset. They want a way of thinking that's going to produce life. Like you said, people are

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unhappy. Do you think that number is growing? Like people are becoming more aware of it and

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there's more or it's just always been really bad? No, I think it's getting worse because I think

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there's way more information dump on us daily. And it's pretty much all negative. I mean, once in a

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while, like I tried to if I'm going to get on Instagram, I am trying to follow as many funny

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cat videos as I can. I want to see cats smacking each other. I want to see, you know, Dallas Cowboys

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and 49ers with different cat faces on, you know, going at it. I want to see silliness. But the

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reality is inevitably, what am I going to see in my feet? No matter what, what am I going to see

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today? I'm going to see red versus blue. I'm going to see what a racist Trump is and what an

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invalid Biden is. I'm going to see it's nonstop. I'm going to see the border. And I'm going to,

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and it's, you know, and as you know about the algorithm, it's to get me, it's to pick the scabs

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that I already have. And Facebook is being sued. Facebook is being sued right now in 41 states for

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its influence on children. Did you know that? It's like a week old. It's crazy. I think it's

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awesome. I think it's wild. I think it's, I mean, it's by the time that gets all sorted out, AI is

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going to be so far out of like, we're in trouble, right? Like, because the information, I mean,

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my son showed me something hilarious the other day, like Joe Rogan and David Goggins and Goggins

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is talking about something and then Rogan's all, wait a minute, you're AI, you're not even you.

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And then he reveals he's not him. And then there's Rogan watching this going, that is me, but I never

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said that. And it's just, oh, you just got to laugh, but it's scary. But right. Like, so the

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psychological influence on people, people come in and tell me things. They saw on Facebook and I

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know what they're talking about. And I know it's just completely nonsense. And it's a really delicate

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thing to say, Hey, just so you know, you might want to fact check things before you tell people.

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And I got a good friend of mine, Paul, who fact checks me all the time. I got to be careful because

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reposting things is like, you know, Sean, I fact check that and that's not legit. And I'm like,

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Oh my gosh, you're right. I just assumed because of the source and but yeah, our influence. So you

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ask, all right, why are people like this? So that extreme negativity from information dump every day,

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every moment, right? And then there's, we've converted all our incandescent lighting, right,

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which is closer to fire, I would imagine the wavelength of red lights like 635 nanometers.

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So when we look at a rainbow, right, we got violet on the bottom. And we got red on the top.

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Any stronger than violet down here is ultraviolet. That could hurt us. Any slower than red up here

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is infrared can't see it. And that could hurt us too, can be healthy. Both of these things,

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you know, they're just light. But what's happening is we're picking this one piece out now, which is

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the 400 and something spectrum, which is what fluorescent and LED. And we're we're beaming

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that that's why I'm wearing a hat right now. I got this LED light up here. It stresses me out.

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I'm not trying to be a crazy person. The minute I get inside with these LED lights,

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something in me just gets a little more agitated. And it's interesting if I block it from coming

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right into my my eyes, my retinal pathways by the rays hitting now they're refracting, but they're

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not pumping into my eyes. I just think it's a healthier thing. But like, you know, this is a

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real thing. This isn't who I mean, I, I do some work with one of the city engineers in Long Beach,

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and one of his huge projects was converting everything over to LED light. And the amount of

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reports he had to write because it is not it is light pollution. You're changing things and it is

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more polluting. And, and, you know, I follow one doctor who you had on Dr. Cruz, right? He talks about

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this is his world, this light thing. What about the basically, when you after the sun sets, when

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you take that, that spectrum of light that's in our daytime, and you pump it into our eyes after

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the sun sets or bring it to a confused, it's like, Hey, it's noon, it's noon. And then, you know,

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we try to go to sleep. And what does everybody have sleep apnea, insomnia, I mean, the sleep.

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But it's good for productivity when you want to extract every ounce of power out of people.

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24 seven. It's cheap. It's cheap energy too. It's, yeah, that's the thing. I think we are

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reaching a point culturally in the world where we're kind of saying how much can be extracted

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out of people before they just give up or fight back because the the medal is going to jump and

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it has two main ones, fight or flight. It does have fun and freeze, but it's fighter,

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flight are the core ones. And that's what's building is I was talking to rich about today is

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what we were talking about, what is the black swan of change. So anytime like 9 11 was a black

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swan came out of nowhere, but had massive shifts. And if we are moving towards a something,

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what is going to be that black swan? And I think it's one interesting possibility,

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one of possible possibilities is the idea that Gen Z basically says, think about Gen Z

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entirely wired into the influencing market. If you got 300 million person influencers and said,

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Gen Z tomorrow, we don't go to work for a month, you change policy pretty quick when you do that.

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Everything grinds to a halt, you know, and that's the kind of black swan that could erupt

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that could shift things because I think I think what me too taught us is that we can change quickly.

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What the good side of Instagram is reels educate you very quickly. It creates a thread,

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it creates a neural pathway. If you're watching it 30 days in a row, you've created that habit in

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you by watching Instagram. That's the power of it. Yeah, to your point, there's a dangerous side

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to all that too, which is, and I have this feeling that I honestly think this gets into what our

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original talk was like, or like, let's just use weight loss because this is something that I feel

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like everybody, what I love about like being overweight, just being fat, being obese, whatever

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you want to call it. Listen, I have more body fat than I need. Okay, nobody would call me fat,

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but it's not the body I want at this point in my life. Right? I have residual adipose tissue,

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adiposity. It's fat. I'm not fat as a human, but I have, you get what I'm saying, but here's the

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thing, what I tried to do, and I did this 60 pounds in six months, I've also lost 30 pounds in 21

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days before, and I've lost 30 pounds in three and a half years. Those are my three major,

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and in between those, I had gotten heavy through lifestyle. But what's really funny is I just

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documented, okay, one was 15 or 13 years to be 60 pounds overweight. Another one was, you know,

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my college years to the time I gained 30 pounds again, that was probably 10 years.

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right? Like, that's, that's a funny thing. So take, we have so much power and momentum here,

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and it takes so long to get there. And then our expectation or our expectation, I guess, of what

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it takes and how long it should take to change things. But we're doing that too. Like, so the,

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the Me Too movement was a great example, right? And I'm not well versed in this. So I'm just using

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this as a general example, please, you know, disclaimer on this one. But we had a lot of years

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that led to what was happening in the workplace that was inappropriate, right? Oh, God, a lot of

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years. And actually, millennials. And then how quick did we really, like you said, look at how

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quick we changed that, how quick was that change just being generally speaking, you couldn't have

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made Barbie pre Me Too, you couldn't have, it would not have made the thing that it is today,

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because part of what Barbie did is it said, Hey, women do have the power now, and we're going to

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use it in a good way. That was the power of it. So I, and it's sorry, I derailed there for a second,

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because I think that was a teaching moment that men could change. Yeah. But how long do you think

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it took to for where it was to like where we are now? Like how long was that process from the time

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it like this is a like a public perception when you heard that, and you're like, we're not going

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to tolerate this anymore till where we are now where it's like clearly not tolerated anymore in most

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workplaces that I do business with. Like how long was that? I don't think it's completely

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eliminated by any stretch, but it's considered culturally. It's the shape of the culture. And

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I think that's the power of media and social to shape a culture very quickly. Me Too is considered

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about a year and a half to two years of hardcore activities from Harvey Weinstein to all the

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Bob I all the guys that were in that group, right? Shape culture enough to say, okay, enough guys,

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enough. That was the impression. It wasn't like we're going to turn a blind eye. It was everybody

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is saying enough. I feel like maybe the BLM kind of thing too, right? What's that? The Black Lives

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Matter. Yes. That had a very similar in my public perception of watching it. It's like that. Here

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lies some of the problem. That's just our nature. And I feel like our nature is like, and it's great

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because you have convicted people with a lot of consciousness and there's activism. And it's great.

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We need people to do that. But sometimes the problem is we try to change things so fast that we

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create more problems. And I'm not saying those problems are worse by any means, but they can be.

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But now we do that with our health too. And just knowing that it's kind of human nature and cultural

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nature, like people get canceled fast, but we want to cancel health issues fast too. And it doesn't,

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nothing works this way. There's just like a, there's kind of like a, I love like if we're to use

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ancient tests, let's just use like the Old Testament, right? The Torah. Is that the first five books?

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Yes. The Jewish Bible. Yeah. So that is just nothing but like, and then they forgot about the Lord.

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And then what would happen? Come in, get taken over, get, you know, you're now our slaves hundreds of years.

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And so obviously to get to that point wasn't a moment, but it was like, it seemed to follow like

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historically, it kind of seemed to follow a more like, you know, natural curve. It didn't go like this

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for millennia and then just go boom over. Then somebody remembered and then they started taking

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good, healthy actions and then favor came in. Like I feel like our body's like that. You can't just

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mistreat your body. And you know, I have this little thing that cracks me up when I'm talking.

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We can't do this, right? You know, here, what is this? I don't, I can't hear it. I want to hear it.

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I can't see it. I don't want to see it. I mean, obviously metaphorically could be either. And

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I'm not going to say anything. And then all of a sudden one day you wake up and go, it's time to do

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something and you just go like, you know, gangbusters. I'm like, I love that. But in my experience,

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that creates so many like mental illnesses and disorders because you're like, your brain's like,

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wait, we constructed a whole life around this and this and this and you're changing the paradigm on

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me. And it's hard for people to adjust to that's why they get really good short term success on

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health programs. Okay, I tell people we're going to do this. And then the first two weeks, I mean,

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nothing goes wrong. They're feeling great. And then, but they don't sustain it. Why? Because it was too

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fast. And I'm starting to realize, as much as I can give you all the information, Jonathan, to

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like, let's say you want to get more muscle, you want to lose fat, you want to get your testosterone

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higher, you want blah, blah, blah, you have all these things, right? I could give you all the right

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answers, you know about the right answers. But it's like, am I going to do damage to you if I give

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you too many right answers, too quick, independent of relationship, independent of time to heal?

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And I think that's what we do with about everything. We just hit it too hard, too aggressive, and

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there's no staying power. And so how do I help you, right? How do I help affect change? So I'm

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not just keeping that burden on people and then watching them fail. Okay, you walked into my

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question. What are people looking for from you or for you to do when they walk in? Are they saying,

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fix me? Or are they saying, help me fix myself? Now it's give me hope. Yeah. But base that hope

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in the right information and the right empowerment so I could heal myself over time. Now, so it's

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hope. I need your help now, but I don't want your help in three, six, nine, 12 months, 24 months.

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I don't want to be, not that they don't want it. I don't want to be dependent. See that dependent

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piece is where I think like in my profession, now a lot of that's just what we are public perception,

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right? We're spine people, but that's really not what chiropractic was founded on. And in fact,

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if you look at what chiropractic was founded on, it's completely bananas. It was a magnetic healer

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who was way whack and he adjusted a guy for hearing loss and it was never really about back pain.

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That came way later. But you know, I think a lot of chiropractors said, look, we can make a good

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living and insurance will pay for it if we take on this back pain model. Well, I wanted to be an

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osteopath from like the turn of the century, like 19, it was basically like a medical doctor and a

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chiropractor, even though that wasn't really, the medical world calls a chiropractor. Yeah. Yeah.

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An osteopath was basically, it was basically a doctor that did manipulation, but there weren't

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a lot of drugs back then. So you still had, you know, plant medicines and herbs and you had

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relational and I came to your house and I don't know when that all changed. But by the time I

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looked into being an osteopath, I realized, oh, they're just the kind of MDs now. And so it was

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only that. That's probably when the insurance companies took over and dovetailed everybody

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into, okay, we need this fixed plan so we can make profit. We need to fix costs. And to do that,

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you can have a lot of variables. Right. Right. Get a control. And here we are now. Okay.

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When I never knew that about chiropractic world, did start with an understanding of the body as a

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frequency? Yeah, because he was a magnetic energy healer, BJ Palmer. And then there was DD and I

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mean, I pretty think the sun, I get the story goofed up, but one of them tried to kill the other.

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He like ran into it, drove his car into him and Joe Rogan cracks me up. I love Joe, but he

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hates us, but he clearly doesn't understand what I'm talking about. Because what he's talking about

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is kind of like, it's not untrue. But then there's a whole nother side to explaining things and

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endocrinology and neurology and encyclopedia. You should write him and tell him I would like

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to correct your, I would love to come on your show and tell you why there's another way of looking.

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I think you would, he would be so perfect. You would be perfect. It would be a funny conversation

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because I'm okay with him just laying in because I mean, it's, I'm listening to him a couple years

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ago going, Oh my gosh, he hates me. He doesn't even know me. He'd love me if he met me, but I get

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where that comes from. And then, you know, it's an echo chamber all that. But so, but what's funny

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is it's really one of the only kind of accredited authority figure doctors, what I do that allows

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me to be independent of the medical paradigm, the AMA and yet still be kind of considered

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legitimate. And that's, so that's why I kind of went this route. It's like, I don't get the prestige

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of the AMA and the medical doctor and the surgeon. I want to be a surgeon. Are you with our hippocard

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oath? We have our own oath and our own board and our own, I mean, it's very legitimate. I mean,

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the reality is I don't think my medical schooling, I took the same classes where they

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as hard and grinding as medical school would have been, maybe not, but I would have done fine in that

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too because I'm a hustler and I could take in information, but it was more just the idea of,

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look, I do, I do understand. So when people come in, like who's going to one, okay, so you could go

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to a counselor and get hope, right? And you could go to a counselor and get some great techniques.

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But are they going to talk to you about your endocrine system about plant based natural

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bio-identical hormones, about detoxification, about four hundred. Because they need to send you a pill.

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Right. So they're going to do talk therapy or they're going to do certain techniques,

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but at some point here's the problem. The patient's expectation is way faster than that's going to

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work most of the time. So you go, okay, well, what if you took good talk therapy, which you know,

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well, you don't have to be licensed to be a good coach and mentor to somebody or just help somebody

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out, right? It helps to attract and run your business, but you've done that a million times over

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in your life just with friends and counseling people. And, you know, without being a marriage and

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family licensed counselor, I'm not saying to do that. And that's a great idea. But you know what

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I'm saying, right? That used to just be called being a friend or a mentor or something, right?

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Or perhaps, yeah, now it's like, you know, but so what I'm trying to do for people is here that

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they want hope here that they need tools to make their symptoms go away. That's all they care about

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in the beginning, make my pain go away, whether it's physical pain, emotional pain, or pain when

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they look in the mirror. It's pain though. That's why people come. Or else, why would you ever seek

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out a doctor? Why would you change anything if you don't have those? But how we do it is so

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important because you have to do it from so many just different angles now that it's crazy. It's

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it's just, it's almost overwhelming, Jonathan. But what I am learning, and we were going to talk

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about the carnivore diet, right? I learned something from that. And it's more about what I

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learned than the actual diet itself. It's almost like, you know, why could you just so our audience

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knows you are a carnivore, essentially, I've been since April of 23. I've been a full carnivore with

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the exception. What is that mean for you? So I just went, well, just to sum it up real quickly,

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I went from being like more of a zone diet person back in the early 2000s. That was like the 40,

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30, 30, it's called the zone. To more of an addkins to more of a ketogenic diet,

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meaning now I just keep my carbs under 40 grams a day. And I did that for three and a half years.

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I was my metabolism was slow, meaning I barely could eat, man, I did like 1700 calories a day

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and exercise and not like burn fat. And so my body would just tone down its life force. So I was cold

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all the time, you know, and I just wasn't feeling right. I was looking smaller. I lost 30 pounds

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over three and a half years, but I just wasn't feeling great. And Jordan Peterson hearing his

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story about his mental issues and his daughters autoimmune issues and they want carnivore and then

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it just becoming to pick up some steam. So I just said, Hey, I was already only eating like four

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plants. It was lettuces, you know, ketogenic diet, it was nuts, lettuces, not really many beans,

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some more, you know, lettuce nuts, avocado. And what was the other thing that was plant based?

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I don't even remember it was maybe like artichokes or something like that or oh,

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probably cauliflower. That's what it was. And that was all the plants I was eating.

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When I gave those four things up, it was like wild. I lost four pounds of body fat in two weeks.

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And I know it's body fat because I checked my numbers through through a fan to the computer I

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have. I felt so much better. My the reason I really did I had like a bicep tear that wouldn't heal

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over a year. It just wouldn't heal. I grabbed things and like I let go and it was really bad

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and my stomach was hurting. I was getting headaches. My stomach is hurting and I had this bicep tear

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and I'm like, I got to try something else. And that's why, you know, Jordan Peterson talking about

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I healed this with that and my joint pain. So I just said the heck with it. I'm just going to go

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carnivore. I'm almost there anyway. And in the first few weeks, way more energy. Like there's a

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Dr. Anthony Chaffee and he talks about when he played rugby, he felt like he was like a superhero.

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I got a glimpse of that. Like I felt I felt like I didn't need to sleep. It wouldn't matter. Five,

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six hours, nine hours. I felt the same. I felt so good for this period of time. Lost body fat,

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increase my my energy intake of food from technically what we would call I don't call calories

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the same way I used to. But if we are measuring I went from 1700 to 2300 like 500 calories like

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overnight. And now I mean I don't even have to track anymore. I just eat when I'm hungry. And I

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eat until I'm full. And then I don't eat again until I'm hungry again. And then I eat until I'm

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full. But it's what I eat, right? So okay, I just had that. I had an interesting thought. Okay.

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You've basically cut out every single product that's in chips and guacamole and margaritas.

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I miss it so much. Come on. It's hard, buddy. Here's the thing people like, don't you get bored

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with what you eat? Not really. But I do understand that I don't yeah food. I'm a good food. I mean,

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I'm not going to act like I don't love those things. But here's what's funny. And I think you'll

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track on this. It digress just for a second. But what I tell people is remember how I said like,

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look, I wanted to be like the medicine man of the old days in osteopath. Basically, I wanted to be

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able to manipulate because I always knew there was something special when you free up something that

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surrounds the central nervous system. Me your brainstem sits here, right? C1, C2, C3, that's your

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brainstem. You could live without a brain. You can't live without a brainstem, you know, which is wild.

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Like there's a chicken where they they it was a bad cut cut in its head off and his brainstem survived

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and it ran around the yard for years and they just feed it had no blame. And it's creepy. Well,

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when people are like brain dead, but they're still alive, it's because their brainstems attack. So

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brainstem here and then you have your central nervous system, this cord that goes all the way

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down and like everything feeds off that. So when you do work and adjust joints and move things and

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there's a fair information going in and efferent coming down, it is pretty darn cool what happens.

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Now our bodies are so polluted now, but 100 years ago, it was they responded better to everything,

439
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right? So I wanted to do that, but I also knew the power of plant medicine. And you know about

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plant medicine, everything from before pharma, what was medicine? It was food. It was plant

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compounds. Now 99% of the plants in this world will kill you dead. 1% we have for medicine and we

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eat. Now just because we eat it though doesn't mean it's food. That's a whole nother conversation.

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We eat a lot of things that are not food, but we eat it like C. de Wales. That's not food.

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That's industrial byproduct, but we eat it and we get confused. Let's not call that food. Okay, so

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but plant medicine and then drugs came out and said, look, if we could change a few carbons and

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nitrogen and hydrogens or chemistry, organic chemistry and general chemistry, if we could tweak

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a couple, it will still have the same effect on the body. But if we tweaked it from nature, what,

448
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like 30% we can patent it, which is business, right? And so that's where we started moving away

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from and good came out of that maybe because now you could really like not overdose people and you

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could right. But here's the problem that came, came, came, came, came to where we are now,

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which is like drugs for everything, drugs for everything, drug after drug after drug after

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big business. But here's what's interesting. I tell people, all right, what were the original drugs

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made from? It's recap, right? Food, right? Plants. Yes, we're drug synthesized from pretty much we

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know how drugs work because we study in the body from plants and we've make them. But so what's

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the difference between morphine, heroin, ayahuasca, THC and garlic powder, black pepper powder,

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cayenne pepper powder? What's, I mean, what's the difference? They're both plant extracts, right?

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It's their effect on the body. Like, have you ever gotten almost like a high from eating spicy

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food? You're like, this is, so my point being is we are eating medicine all the time. It doesn't

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mean it's food. So for me, I found out when I gave up peppers, garlic, onion, and even worse in their

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powdered state when they're concentrated, that's what I think did it for me. Giving up those compounds.

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Oh my gosh, like my body said, thank you, you've been poisoning me your whole life.

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Now they taste great. I love garlic and onions and peppers. I love hot sauce. I was like addicted to it.

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But it's funny. I was addicted to the very things and tomatoes that were causing me harm. Kind of

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sounds like a drug addict, right? But we're like, oh, but it wasn't heroin or it wasn't THC or it

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wasn't whatever people demonize these days, right? But it was still killing me. It was causing slow

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metabolism, thyroid problems, joint pain, and probably mental illness because when you've hurt

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constantly. So all that to say, people don't know this stuff. So we're eating food thinking, oh,

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I'm eating healthy food. No, no, you're taking drugs or just food drugs and you're messing

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yourself up. So you want to change that? And that's why the carnivore diet is just really the most

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simple modified elimination diet there is, because you could literally live off beef salt and water.

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You can live off your teeth. Yeah. And some people don't even use the salt. They literally live off

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beef. And I know one guy who doesn't even drink water, he drinks a tiny bit of water,

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Dr. Boroch, the whole do do do do denominics, deuterium study? He he talks about how we make

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metabolic water from fat and he only drinks water. If he's had a little fat in his mouth,

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and he's still thirsty five or 10 minutes later, he pretty much doesn't drink water,

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which is how animals survive that don't drink water. I mean, animals don't walk around with

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their 40 ounce, what do you call those containers, everybody walks around, you know, all the gym

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Jimbrows got there, right?

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Like we're addicted to water now, which is not healthy.

480
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We do drink too much water.

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So when I talk to a group of people, Jonathan,

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do you know how overwhelmed people are?

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And I'm not like BSing you.

484
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I could tell you right now why drinking water is bad for you.

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And I'm not trying to be like snarky about it.

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It really is bad.

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Yeah, your municipal water, your filtered water,

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even your, the best one you could buy right now

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at the grocery store that's low enough in deuterium

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and not really hurt yourself is, what's the name

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of that water, right?

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00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,720
There's all the, you know, Fiji water.

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Evian or?

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Yeah, Evian.

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That one's still 146, I believe, parts per million

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of deuterium in that.

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The human body wants like 130 and no higher.

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So we are loading our body with heavy hydrogen.

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That's periodic table stuff.

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That's a whole nother talk.

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But what does deuterium do to the mitochondria?

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Mitochondria is what makes our energy,

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our literal life force energy, ATP.

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It jumps in there and slows down the nanomotors that spin.

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And this is Dr. Borsch's life work.

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It's fascinating.

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What are the metabolic diseases now of low energy?

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These are all the brain diseases, right?

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I believe park, I know dementia, Parkinson's,

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Alzheimer's, all those, those are energy deficiencies

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in the brain and there's also other things going on,

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but we need energy to heal.

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Is it, I want to say it's Dr. Hyman.

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I saw him yesterday and he was talking about that

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that really dementia in Alzheimer's is type three

516
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diabetes.

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It's a deficiency.

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It's not a typical disease in the way we think it.

519
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It's a loss of something.

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We're not getting enough.

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And that's, so that totally stays in here.

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Not what we're doing to ourselves.

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It's what we're not doing.

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00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,360
It's, I mean,

525
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We're creating blocks.

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00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:23,360
Yeah, the solution isn't add drugs, add neuro, add,

527
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the solution is stop doing things

528
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that are lowering our metabolic energy

529
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because healing is a slow process.

530
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And this is what like,

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I wish people understood about just anything we want in life

532
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,720
starts with, we need the right energy and healing, right?

533
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:41,720
Because if we're not meeting most of us, myself included,

534
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,160
I'm probably barely meeting my daily metabolic

535
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,520
energy requirements.

536
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,360
Okay.

537
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So if I'm not meeting my energy

538
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,720
and how do I know that?

539
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,160
Well, do I hurt?

540
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,480
Am I sleeping without waking up in the night?

541
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,760
Like, do I have symptoms?

542
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,520
If I have symptoms, there's a good chance

543
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,000
I'm not meeting my daily metabolic energy needs.

544
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,840
Okay.

545
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,160
And so if I'm not meeting my energy needs,

546
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I'm not rebuilding muscle.

547
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,760
I'm not rebuilding joints properly.

548
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,520
I'm not rebuilding my blood cells properly.

549
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,360
I'm not.

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00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,280
So I'm basically pulling tomorrow's energy for today.

551
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,520
I'm trying to live off tomorrow's grace for today.

552
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,720
Can't do that, right?

553
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,000
But that is what we do.

554
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,920
So what happens when you live off tomorrow's

555
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,240
minerals for today?

556
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,000
What disease do that lead to over time?

557
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,800
When you pull minerals out of bones,

558
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,840
that's osteoporosis, right?

559
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,080
When I'm not burning fat and I'm living off tomorrow's energy

560
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,920
and I don't have it,

561
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,720
so then I need more carbohydrates and sugar, right?

562
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,400
What's the cost of doing that?

563
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,280
Too much sugar circulating the blood

564
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,880
is messing up the nerves, then the nerves don't work.

565
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,400
So it's like when we get to tomorrow,

566
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then we keep up in the game and taking more pills

567
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and pushing harder.

568
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,040
But the problem is it takes a long time to heal.

569
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,920
And if we don't have any surplus energy,

570
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how are we ever gonna heal?

571
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Mentally, emotionally, physically, maybe spiritually,

572
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,320
because we are connected into these physical bodies.

573
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,000
And that is really the talk for people to hear is

574
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,400
you are in a deficit.

575
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,000
You go to bed and wake up every day

576
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,520
and you are in a deficit.

577
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,520
And you're trying to bridge that deficit with drugs

578
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,080
and sugar and dopamine hits from whatever it is,

579
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,520
gambling and pornography and overexercise.

580
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,680
And this is what we're doing.

581
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,040
We're going through life in a deficit and it hurts.

582
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,880
And we got to heal.

583
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,720
That's what Dr. Hawkins would say.

584
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,760
You're living below 200 in that negativity space

585
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,640
where you're always burning more than you have.

586
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,680
Now you're taking away from everything.

587
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,240
You're not putting anything in.

588
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:35,240
No deposits.

589
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,280
Do you think from the people that you see,

590
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,160
what percentage do you think are living in survival mode

591
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,920
and those that are actually trying to make something?

592
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,200
Is it, how do you see people getting stuck

593
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,600
in that stressed out space?

594
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Because here's the thing, it's a loop.

595
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,680
If you wake up exhausted,

596
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,880
because you didn't get enough tonight sleep

597
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,200
and that carries you through and you're never getting enough,

598
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,760
even if you gorge food,

599
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,600
it doesn't give you what you really want.

600
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,520
So by the time you get to bed,

601
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,680
you've had a 10 o'clock bowl of cereal

602
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,120
because you're still freaking hungry.

603
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,560
And then you go to bed and you don't sleep.

604
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,080
It's just endless cycle.

605
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,720
How do people get into that?

606
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,720
And how do they get out of that?

607
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,720
Well, I guess it's kind of, it's tricky

608
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,080
because we're not all the same, right?

609
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,320
So I'll use me.

610
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,640
So I did that carnivore thing for two weeks

611
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,840
and between two and six weeks,

612
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,960
I mean, I can't tell you how good I felt,

613
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,400
but then I started not feeling as good again

614
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,040
and I didn't change anything.

615
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,720
Okay, but here's what I came to call it.

616
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,160
It's a carnivore.

617
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,000
Oh, full on.

618
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,160
And I'm pretty disciplined.

619
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,040
If I say I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna do it.

620
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,880
I'm not trying to brag.

621
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,320
I just, I have to be that way.

622
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,160
No, you are.

623
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,000
You're exactly like that.

624
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,520
I think quite of something, I'll think,

625
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,960
like I went to Italy and the only time I broke,

626
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,800
I went to Europe for 10 days and I ate pasta twice,

627
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,560
I ate pizza twice and I had gelato once, so five times.

628
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,920
And I mean, I still came back in great shape

629
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,080
because I walked and I burned, it wasn't about that,

630
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,080
but I thought about carbohydrates

631
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,760
for probably six weeks after that trip, maybe two months.

632
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,680
I was just like romanticized about how that pizza,

633
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,960
it's like a drug.

634
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,560
But here's what happened with me.

635
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,480
I had an issue with my landlord

636
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,760
at my commercial building, my office,

637
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,840
and I felt like I was being mistreated

638
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,240
and bullied by just a really rude person

639
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,120
and not treated right, who wasn't repairing the things

640
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,240
and wanted to raise my rent.

641
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:32,320
And so then that started this ongoing dialogue.

642
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,160
I also found out through all this health stuff,

643
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,160
like I have a cholesterol level, you know, hold on, right?

644
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,440
700 pegs the meter.

645
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,320
I peg the meter for LDL and cholesterol.

646
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,240
I think I'm 670 triglycerides or LDL

647
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,920
and I'm 700 plus cholesterol.

648
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,800
They start giving people statins in the twos.

649
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:53,640
Okay, so the doctor's like,

650
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,920
you gotta have statins, you're gonna die,

651
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:55,760
you're gonna have a heart attack.

652
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,080
And I go, I get what you're saying,

653
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,680
but that's in standard American diet, you know, car beaters.

654
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,200
I'm not a car beater.

655
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,440
And he looks at me like I'm crazy.

656
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,400
And I go, well, let's do this then.

657
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,120
Before I take the statin, let's do an MRI of my heart

658
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,880
and look at my heart vessels to see,

659
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,360
because the idea is plucking, right?

660
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,840
That's the idea.

661
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,160
So I get my MRI done.

662
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,000
I have zero score out of 400.

663
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,040
I have zero plucking.

664
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,960
Everything looks great,

665
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,880
but they find an aneurysm on my aorta

666
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,480
that I've probably had most of my life.

667
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,880
And it's not big enough to need to do surgery,

668
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,800
but it's big enough to stress me out, right?

669
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,560
Cause like, they're like, we're just gonna watch it.

670
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,720
And if it gets bigger, we'll have to go in there.

671
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,640
And I'm like, that's like my garden hose coming off my heart.

672
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,080
I'm like, life, are you serious right now with this?

673
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,320
So I got that and that.

674
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,120
And then a couple other things.

675
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,760
And what I started noticing was,

676
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,080
I started feeling like I did before.

677
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,800
I started getting cold again.

678
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,800
I started gaining a tiny bit of weight,

679
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,120
but I hadn't changed anything nutritionally.

680
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,600
So all that to say, it's the 80-20 rule, man.

681
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,760
80% of this health, this life, this existence is mental.

682
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,240
It's stress-based and my ability to deal with stress.

683
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:04,960
And you know that ebb and flow?

684
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,640
If I have more stress coming in

685
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,600
than I'm processing and getting rid of,

686
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,200
I'm not flowing and building.

687
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,360
I'm stagnating.

688
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,960
And that's what I started doing.

689
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,120
So, but what I'm good at doing

690
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,520
and what a lot of people are at the 20% that's light

691
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,160
and food and drugs and exercise and all these other things,

692
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,880
we're trying to do the 20% to fix 80%,

693
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,880
but it's really the other way around, right?

694
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,520
And so I micromanage this 20% so much

695
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,480
and put so much energy into it.

696
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,360
But what I just proved to myself is like,

697
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,160
I could probably eat McDonald's every day.

698
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,640
And if I control my mental stress,

699
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,760
I'm probably healthier than I am right now today.

700
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,000
And that's why people can get away with that.

701
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,800
Yeah, my grandmother, she smoked for 70 years of her life,

702
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,000
like two packs a day.

703
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,240
It's like, there's always an anomaly.

704
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,440
What's that?

705
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,200
And she probably enjoyed it.

706
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,040
She did.

707
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,280
And you know, it's, yeah, it's,

708
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,720
so what is the value of,

709
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:04,840
so here's the thing,

710
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,840
I contemplated doing carnivore for this January

711
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,840
and I ended up doing my fasting process,

712
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,760
which is my body's pretty dialed in.

713
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,560
But as I began looking at it,

714
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,880
here is sort of the pushback.

715
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,200
And I'm not saying for people to pushback,

716
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,960
I'm saying everybody has their reasons to think through.

717
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,360
And I thought through them pretty carefully is,

718
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,440
I like alcohol and I don't drink a lot.

719
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,280
I really don't.

720
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,720
I probably will drink on Friday and Saturday nights,

721
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,680
maybe cocktail and a glass of wine.

722
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,840
So I don't drink a ton, but I do enjoy it.

723
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,120
But those are both grains and fruits for you.

724
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,560
Do you cut out alcohol too?

725
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:47,880
Cause virtually all alcohol is-

726
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,560
I'll myself now a little bit of red wine

727
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,720
or a sip of a gin drink.

728
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,440
Cause my wife likes her little drinks and she's good at it.

729
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,920
And you know, our mutual friend Tim

730
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,520
can make a mean gin and tonic and I have,

731
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,840
but like it's literally, it's funny.

732
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,560
Like we're watching Niners and he goes,

733
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,400
you want to drink?

734
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,640
I go, no, no, here's what we're going to do.

735
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,760
You're going to make a drink a little taller than normal.

736
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,960
And you're going to literally pour an ounce into a glass

737
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,240
and I'm going to sip on that while you sip on that.

738
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:16,080
Okay.

739
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,280
Cause it doesn't metabolize right in me,

740
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,400
but a little bit of clear spirits or red wine.

741
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,600
And same thing, like I don't drink.

742
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,640
If I have a second drink, I'm going to feel ill tomorrow.

743
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,040
I'm going to poison myself, but one drink I'm okay.

744
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,800
And I usually just sip on it.

745
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,640
So for you-

746
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,720
But for you, the sort of loss of fruits

747
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:37,080
and vegetables was a moving completely to carnivore

748
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,400
is based on, you did have adverse effects.

749
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,200
It wasn't just like, I don't have any adverse.

750
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,320
I don't have any allergies that I know of.

751
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,160
Yeah.

752
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,000
Let's go and tell you what,

753
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:47,820
if you're going to have symptoms,

754
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:49,720
why would you change anything?

755
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:54,160
Now, if you want to reach a higher level of something,

756
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,120
well, then that could be a discussion.

757
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,640
But if we're just talking like,

758
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,760
and when I tell people symptoms, look,

759
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,480
if you could sleep seven or eight hours uninterrupted,

760
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,040
or if you wake up and you roll back over

761
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,440
and you don't have to get up and pee,

762
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,280
because that's not normal.

763
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,440
That's common, but not normal.

764
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,160
So if you can make it through the night with sleep,

765
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,640
if your gut isn't constantly burning

766
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,280
or have a ton of gas and your bowel movements are normal,

767
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,360
no problem there.

768
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,040
If you don't hurt chronically, headaches, migraines,

769
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,200
neck pain, back pain, toe pain, whatever.

770
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,600
If, for a male, if your erections work the way you want,

771
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,200
if you're a female, if you have a sex drive,

772
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,720
you know, all these things,

773
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,200
then you probably are,

774
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,640
now, given, does that still mean you're healthy?

775
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,600
No, because I still think we're all aging too fast.

776
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,800
Even that person I just said, maybe that's you,

777
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,960
I still think there's a cost, we're aging too fast.

778
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,680
And that's a whole nother conversation though,

779
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,920
because remember, what level are we talking here?

780
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,320
Are we talking just basic level of health?

781
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,400
What, you're probably at the basic level of health,

782
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,600
I would say, hey, why change?

783
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,640
But then if we say, well, let's just say I could prove to you

784
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,600
that you're aging 25% faster

785
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,800
and that you're not on track to be 100,

786
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,600
and strong at 100, then we could get into it.

787
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,600
But that's more like, that's more of an in-house debate,

788
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,440
don't you think?

789
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,280
That's like a kind of a,

790
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,280
we already agree that you should treat your body

791
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,160
a certain way and that symptoms are not normal,

792
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,880
but now we're getting into fine-tuning things,

793
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,960
or that's where the professional athlete conversation

794
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,680
will come in and things like that.

795
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,840
But what I do know is you are having to deal

796
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,040
with more stress than is healthy and normal,

797
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,520
and there is a cost to it.

798
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,120
I don't know if we can get away from it.

799
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,720
I just don't, like the light problems,

800
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,520
the chemicals in our environment,

801
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,800
but the food is a big one.

802
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,140
And here's the thing, heart disease and cancer,

803
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,000
especially heart disease, is we're seeing signs of that

804
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,520
really early, and when you do eat carbohydrate,

805
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,400
you're going to have way more inflammatory response

806
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,240
in your blood vessels, and if you're eating an American diet

807
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:07,960
and you are eating carbohydrates and fat,

808
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,880
you just, I mean, it's physiologists

809
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,160
called the Randall cycle, the fatty acid cycle,

810
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,880
the cells protect themselves from glucose.

811
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,000
That's just how the body's adapted.

812
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,880
We just weren't meant to put all this exogenous carbohydrates

813
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,240
in that from the outside in.

814
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,600
We're meant to make glucose out of fat,

815
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,200
and we do that very effectively with no spikes of insulin.

816
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,920
And if you look at the biggest problems in health right now,

817
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,520
heart disease and insulin resistant problems,

818
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,680
like the dementia, like diabetes,

819
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:35,920
those are the biggest problems,

820
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,380
and this is a consequence of industrial seed oil

821
00:57:39,380 --> 00:57:41,080
and carbohydrates, in my opinion.

822
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,040
And I think it's very clearly in the research.

823
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,000
So is it good enough just to not hurt?

824
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,760
That's a good starting point,

825
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,520
but it just depends what your goals are in this world.

826
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:51,400
I'm going to leave you alone.

827
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,720
You wouldn't find your way into my office

828
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,800
because no symptom brought you in.

829
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,840
Unless I said, hey, do you want to be 75

830
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,640
and still doing pull ups and running sprints?

831
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,760
Because we could get you there,

832
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,280
but probably not with what you're currently doing.

833
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,560
I don't want to put that on you negatively.

834
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Maybe you will, but you're working against the odds,

835
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,120
I would say.

836
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,800
Let me ask you a question.

837
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,840
Because this is the question that I was talking to Rich about,

838
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,760
and I was thinking about you when I asked it.

839
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,760
So as I digest a diet,

840
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,360
and I say I eat a steak, steak example,

841
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,600
or like a popsicle, let's say something

842
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,320
that's actually on the lesser side,

843
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,000
like a popsicle, ice cream with a, like a creamsicle.

844
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,760
How much is its effect on my body

845
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,920
in the understanding I have in relation to it?

846
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,120
So if I think, like when I was five years old,

847
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,560
I could eat a thousand of these and I'd be fine.

848
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,760
I'd gain weight, nothing happened.

849
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,280
But when I'm 56 and having one of these,

850
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,160
it gains me a pound every night.

851
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,360
Yeah, yeah.

852
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,920
Because I'm beginning with the thought process

853
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,760
of this is adversely affecting my body.

854
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,160
So my question is, there's the physiological components

855
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,600
of the mass of the food in the ice cream bar,

856
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,080
and then there's my understanding of its value.

857
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,880
How much is the message

858
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,880
affect our health as much as the physiological mass component?

859
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,280
Which is more important?

860
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,120
That's amazing.

861
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,520
Well, for me, I would say,

862
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,280
I would say as much as I know

863
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,880
and as much as how I eat and all that,

864
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,880
I would say if I was more, more than less,

865
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,000
the majority, over 50% for me personally.

866
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,600
And I have a feeling it's a lot of people that way.

867
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,760
And in fact, I think it'd be shocking if we realized

868
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,400
because why can't our body,

869
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,200
I mean, our body knows what to do.

870
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,960
We could handle massive trauma, massive poisoning.

871
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,760
We can, bodies are amazing.

872
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,600
So why is this little popsicle whooping my butt, right?

873
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,840
Like what?

874
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,280
But it's because of that other stuff we talked about.

875
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,640
Like our mind is so distracted and tired.

876
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,680
It's just a combination of, I believe,

877
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,200
it's overloaded, man.

878
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,600
It's too stressed out.

879
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,960
It's over-concerned.

880
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,120
It's over-debated.

881
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,600
It's over-taxed.

882
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,400
It's not a simple life where we could just go,

883
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,160
yeah, I'll have that because I want it and it tastes good.

884
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,200
But once again, when you were a kid, it was a treat.

885
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,800
It wasn't as readily of,

886
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,120
and maybe it was some houses.

887
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:37,960
It was a treat.

888
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:38,880
That's a good way of putting it.

889
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,280
But it wasn't, and I think how did we eat in the 70s?

890
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,480
We probably had a lot less carbs,

891
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,920
a lot of canned foods, a lot of family's canned foods.

892
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,960
There were some pivotal things in health and nutrition, right?

893
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,840
Like seed oils, trans fats, partially hydrogenated.

894
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,680
Yeah, that really did.

895
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,200
Those are actual poisons to your body.

896
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,000
But like an orange is not.

897
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,440
Yeah, is it the food or is it the way we live?

898
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,160
Because I feel like, I think at the end of the day,

899
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,280
nature gives us a blueprint of how we're to live.

900
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,560
And we have violated that so much.

901
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,360
I'll give you an example that I like where you're going is,

902
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,160
imagine if I eat a popsicle.

903
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,000
It's a creamsicle with orange wrapping on it.

904
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,520
So everybody knows it's probably got like 100 cars in it.

905
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:27,360
Eat it.

906
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,280
And my thought process is, this is not good for me.

907
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,080
Every single time I'm eating this, I tell myself,

908
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,000
well, this is not good for me, but I'm still going to eat it.

909
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:37,800
What am I eating?

910
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,640
And you're doing this so far now.

911
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,360
Yeah, yeah, now you're like, how many people

912
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,240
consciously think about it?

913
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,920
You're knowingly poisoning yourself

914
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,560
is what your brain is probably thinking.

915
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,680
Because you're like, now, that's why ignorance is bliss, right?

916
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,680
Like for somebody, it's almost like,

917
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,960
in a way, if you don't wake them up to nutrition,

918
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,960
maybe they're healthier eating their crap.

919
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,240
But that's the problem.

920
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,920
The minute you're convicted or your conscience tells you

921
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,320
you're doing something that's, maybe this isn't good for me,

922
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,680
now it's a whole other conversation, isn't it?

923
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Well, that's a disease problem.

924
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,480
If you can convince someone they have a disease by,

925
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,880
I have a lot of friends who have wives who go on WebMD

926
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,720
religiously because they're like, oh, they're self-diagnosing.

927
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,760
And how much is created by self-diagnosing in that way?

928
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,160
Yeah, and how about just over and over?

929
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,400
You know how many people go to the ER because they're dying

930
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,120
and it's just, sorry, it's anxiety or you have heartburn?

931
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,320
But you have to kind of do it now because so many people

932
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,680
do have heart attacks.

933
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,680
So it's like, you don't want to be the fool sitting at home

934
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,200
thinking, I just ate too much pizza

935
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,040
and you're having a heart attack.

936
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,720
And I know a guy, it wasn't a heart attack, it was a stroke.

937
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,320
He was having a stroke.

938
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,760
He had a headache for two days.

939
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,760
He finally does go to the hospital, the ER.

940
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,480
They put him in a hallway overnight

941
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,360
and they're like, you're just having a migraine.

942
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,520
He was having a stroke.

943
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:58,760
He is not recovered.

944
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,280
His life has changed forever in that 24.

945
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,680
It's really sad.

946
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,520
So you don't want to be like, you

947
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:06,800
don't want to be a hypochondriac, but you

948
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,360
don't want to be too stoic either where you're

949
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,400
sitting at home dying when, man, they could have just

950
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,200
put you on some aspirin and checked you in for a few hours.

951
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,520
You'd be good to go.

952
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,240
But here's the reality still is, well,

953
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,400
how did you get to that point in the first place?

954
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,080
And so that's where I'm trying to do it.

955
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,040
By the time we get to that point, we're in a lot of trouble.

956
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,120
So I'm trying to use wisdom and nature to say, OK,

957
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,520
like the last 49 years, I have really banged this machine up

958
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,360
here.

959
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,240
And I know my spirit is connected to this physical machine

960
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,680
and there's a consciousness.

961
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,280
But the reality is I've got to do some work on this machine

962
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,280
if I wanted to go another 50 years.

963
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,160
And I don't want to live long just to live long.

964
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,240
I want to live long to be effective.

965
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,120
And I want to be resilient and antifragile, right?

966
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,160
I want to be even better than being strong as antifragile.

967
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,760
I want to gain from disorder, like Talib says in that book.

968
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,200
I want to be like, that's all you got for me?

969
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,200
And get stronger, because that is how the body is.

970
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,280
We get stronger from stress.

971
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,480
But there's a breaking point, like a rubber band.

972
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,240
We're like rubber bands.

973
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,240
We snap out of breath.

974
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:08,360
There is a breaking point.

975
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,640
And I feel like we are all grossly pushing

976
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,040
the verge of that breaking point.

977
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:13,920
We don't know it.

978
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,720
It's worse than we think is that.

979
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,720
And so it's hard, John, to think, as you said,

980
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,880
what if I don't know it?

981
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,880
And maybe ignorance is bliss and I'm just eating and enjoying

982
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:22,200
life.

983
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,400
And that's great.

984
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,840
And I think there's no problem with that.

985
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,320
But the minute you're awake to things,

986
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,960
now it's almost like you have a responsibility to yourself

987
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,160
to do something about it.

988
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,440
You can't go back into the matrix, right?

989
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,080
I mean, remember in the movie, the guy

990
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,560
tries to go back into the matrix?

991
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:38,560
And he's eating at stake.

992
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,200
And he goes, I know this isn't real.

993
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,280
My brain's telling me it's juicy.

994
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,440
And he's like, but he's having that moment of pleasure.

995
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,360
But the reality is, everybody else on that ship

996
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,840
knows once we're unplugged and we know what life really is,

997
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,200
we have a responsibility.

998
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,360
And that's where I think we get into our God side

999
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,120
and Christ and our purpose.

1000
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,320
And what are we here to overcome?

1001
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,440
But it's not brought to your attention.

1002
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,680
The problem, though, is with all the social media.

1003
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,160
It's bringing it to everybody's attention,

1004
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,280
whether you want it or not.

1005
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,400
And I do think that needs to stop.

1006
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,440
I don't need grandma seeing COVID 2.0 is coming in.

1007
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,240
It's going to kill her.

1008
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,880
I don't need her because I don't need her seeing that, right?

1009
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,280
She was fine before all that.

1010
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,520
She would have been fine if it never got to her CNN ticker

1011
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:27,160
tape, right?

1012
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,960
So anyway.

1013
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,960
Sean, last question before you wrap up.

1014
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,840
I just thought of this and I wanted to ask you.

1015
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,320
Someone walks into your office and says,

1016
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,960
I want to get healthy.

1017
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:44,560
Where would you say start?

1018
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,200
I would say for the listeners.

1019
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,640
Yeah, I would ask them all about their symptoms.

1020
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,000
OK, and I would start there.

1021
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,200
And I would probably say, look, I

1022
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,480
would do some techniques to just change

1023
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,440
those little bitty symptoms, usually pain or something,

1024
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,360
to give them some hope.

1025
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,360
And I would say now, look, we have

1026
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,680
to control the things that are controllable that

1027
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,040
are low bearing fruit.

1028
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,560
What are the easiest things?

1029
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,840
And I love, I think Jordan Peterson says that.

1030
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,920
When he's working with somebody really in a bad way,

1031
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,400
really bad way, he goes, all right, you have a goal.

1032
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,520
OK, there's certain steps you've got to get to your goal.

1033
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,880
But he says, what is something that you could do,

1034
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,480
that you would do to get you closer to your goal?

1035
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:28,760
And that's where you start.

1036
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,520
Some people are suicidal.

1037
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:31,320
Can you get through the day?

1038
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:31,800
Nope.

1039
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:32,520
Can you get through the hour?

1040
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:32,840
Nope.

1041
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:33,840
Can you get through 10 minutes?

1042
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:34,840
Yes.

1043
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,560
It's kind of like, and I don't mean to be dramatic,

1044
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,440
but these people probably don't have a track record of keeping

1045
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:41,960
things going very long.

1046
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,760
So I would try to help them identify the low bearing fruit

1047
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,400
and get them some success and hope and be real honest.

1048
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,520
Be real honest, like, because here's where they are, right?

1049
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:54,160
They're stuck in this pain.

1050
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,360
Why is that important?

1051
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,920
Why is being honest?

1052
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,680
And you're not talking about with them to you.

1053
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,120
You're talking about them to yourself.

1054
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:06,600
Yes, because it's so easy to be sold on lies and BS.

1055
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,720
And what's out there is going to tell them,

1056
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,200
if you buy this program, if you do this,

1057
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,520
it might not be easy, but it will be quick.

1058
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,960
Or it's not going to be quick, but it's going to be easy.

1059
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:15,640
It's all lies.

1060
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,280
It's going to be terribly hard.

1061
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,160
It might take decades to get to where you want to go.

1062
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,320
So you either have to learn to accept yourself right

1063
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,640
where you are with all your symptoms and just be at peace.

1064
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,240
And then maybe because you will feel better being at peace,

1065
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:28,400
right?

1066
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,600
You will feel better.

1067
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,240
All right, quick.

1068
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:31,280
Just get the information out.

1069
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,360
Just be at peace with your eye.

1070
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,240
Or you want to get here.

1071
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,440
Do you really want to get here?

1072
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,440
OK, let's get you there.

1073
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:37,960
But you can't stay stuck in the middle.

1074
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:38,880
That's the wilderness.

1075
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,240
That's 40 years in the wilderness.

1076
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:41,640
That's where all the pain is.

1077
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,880
That's where I've been stuck most of my life.

1078
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,440
That's what causes health problems and symptoms.

1079
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,040
And don't be stuck in the wilderness,

1080
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,680
either except where you are, your present time,

1081
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,920
consciousness, your circumstances,

1082
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,800
or do what's required to get you there.

1083
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,520
But you better trust somebody who

1084
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,640
could help you get there because, man, people

1085
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,320
are just selling stuff.

1086
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,120
And it's going to be easy.

1087
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:03,920
It's going to be quick.

1088
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:04,600
No, it's not.

1089
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:05,440
No, it's not.

1090
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,440
It'll just be hard in a different way.

1091
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,520
But slow incremental changes that last,

1092
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,800
I think that's the way to go.

1093
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,920
So that's what I would do with somebody.

1094
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,640
Hopefully they can do it.

1095
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:23,600
And little by little, we get to where we're going.

1096
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,160
Sean, thank you.

1097
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,680
You're always welcome on our show.

1098
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:27,960
This has been an absolute.

1099
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,360
I love hanging out with your brother.

1100
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,800
It's always good to see you.

1101
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,560
Thank you for your wisdom.

1102
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,000
And I think our listeners are going

1103
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,600
to be a lot better for it because you're someone I truly

1104
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,360
know that cares about people.

1105
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,520
And so if you're hearing this and it resonates,

1106
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,160
Sean is very much the real deal so you can trust what he says.

1107
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,480
To all of our listeners, thank you.

1108
01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:49,920
This has been a wonderful episode of Living in the Matrix.

1109
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,800
Please subscribe, comment, let us know what you'd like to hear.

1110
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,040
And much love, everybody.

1111
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:23,400
Thanks for what you're doing, my friend.