Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.
And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right.
But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance
of what it means to be human in today's world.
Yeah, let's just get started because I want to jump into this one.
Welcome to Living in the Matrix, everyone. I'm Jonathan. This is my co-host, Rich. Say hello, Rich.
Hey, everybody. Great to be back and great to have you back, Sean.
Just we're looking forward to this. It's been almost a year
since we had our first podcast together and looking forward to diving in. Sure. Welcome back.
Awesome to be here. I'm super honored and excited. Thank you so much.
Hey, so your work on Instagram has grown this year. You've done a lot of incredible stuff.
Tell me about that because you are producing some of the most unique videos
and your story and your message is so unique.
Why don't you tell us about what you've been doing this year?
Yeah. I don't know what happened. I know what happened. Things just start happening.
You open up what I call open up your capacity and then stuff just flows in.
Even my video guy is like, this is crazy because he keeps, I think we've got three or four months
of bank content that he hasn't produced yet. I have like 20 I haven't put up yet. I guess
this we'll just keep rocking and see what happens. It's just something came in and then I'm like,
well, I need to, well, the something is what I got away from my higher self and started using
our higher all, which is interesting just to play on the words of it. Our higher all just drop
something in and it's just like, make this entertaining, make it unique. I would never
even consider myself like an artist or somebody who would think. But do you know what you like?
Oddly it's not even a me thing. I know that I just start speaking things out and then I've got this
awesome video animator guy that he just starts putting the stuff together. He's like amazing.
Geometry patterns, connections. I mean, it's so cosmic, right? It's pretty,
and it's, but it's not distracting. It's set definitely gets you drawn in and focused.
It's incredible stuff. We do. I mean, it's zero, zero edits ever. I'm like, it's perfect. Go.
And so we just go and then, and then the other guy on the last 5%, it's not worth it. It's like,
just release. I love that plan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's crazy. So it's been,
uh, it's been awesome. And then my other guy that does my, like, you know, the face and the live
stuff, like he's just like, once again, just turns them out and it's not me. It's like, it's, it's,
it's a us thing. And so it continues to be the more that I see it as an us thing. He just,
we're all creating this together. And I'm like, just bring it to something that everybody wants
to see that you've, you've done this for years. You know, it works and I'll, you know, I'll pay
for it if I need to. Well, now he kind of works for me. So like we partnered and he works in my
agency, which is awesome. Cause I have other work. I'm like, well, let's do this stuff. So it's been,
it's been just really humbling to watch it all unfold, but I absolutely love it. And the message
just keeps getting more clear and it keeps evolving. And the more that I learned, I'm like,
well, nobody's gonna, nobody's going to understand this, right? The Rudolph Steiner's way of
initiation and the way that they're talking about it. But let me take the principles out of that
and work to make it simple. And I'm not the most simple guy to explain things, but at least I'm
getting, it's getting clearer as I keep going, which I'm, you know, the more input, the better
it gets. And we just keep rocking. Do you use Rudolph Steiner's language or do you sort of
translate it into your own language? Cause you have a unique way of speaking about it. Yeah,
no, I don't use his language. I mean, I'm studying so many different things right now, but I, I like
some of the stuff he talks about or like I'll, you know, gotten into the Rosicrucian teachings lately,
or I've gotten into, started studying Knights Templar. And then I got into Carl Jung and then
I'm like, go down another path of reading the Cometic Principles by, you know, the Metunetur.
And then I'm, I'm just kind of like, you know, constructing it all together. But I find that,
got into Hinduism recently and just kind of went down that rabbit hole and like,
what's the architecture and the foundation of that? And the more that I get into.
You learned, well, like what stood out to you specifically during that little jaunt and leg?
Like with all that stuff? With Hinduism. Yeah. Oh, oh, just, just the cycles of time. And then
the different ways that they view, you know, from a deity perspective and how they all have
a specific purpose and they all make up this grander, you know, this, this grander ecosystem.
What led me into it was, you know, I started hearing about this, these Kali Yuga cycles,
and then I'm like, oh, 400,000 years. Yeah. Like what's, what is time? Right.
And it's on January 15th. Okay. There's just going to be this window on the 15th, not the 20th,
which is a different window, which is Mahurta. And this is, I had to, I, this is where it just
drives me crazy because if time is no thing and it's, and it's nonlinear, then what is the,
you know, intensity and what is the, the, the pure exclusivity of finding somebody who knows
to find the details, get in that window and actually get ready for it at that particular
period of time. So help me out with that. Yeah. So there was, you know, I had a client use this
the other day, you know, we, we've left change in the couch for us to get rich. And those little
windows of time are just the change in the couch that we love. So we use time in order to give
reference to opportunities for consciousness to fold in together. So if we all say, well, this
thing is happening on this day and we can all agree on this day, then consensus creates the reality.
And then there's an eternalism that then ripples out from that effect. And then at which point
it is. So is it really a thing? I don't know, but it can be a thing if we make it a thing,
like how powerful is the mind that we create the hell in our life and the heaven in our life. So
could we not just do that together and create this collectively? Yeah. Okay. I want to speak
to this because I actually had a thought last night as I was walking my dog that I think
any polarity, good and evil, male, female, any polarity you create is essentially the discovery
of an emotion. Like thought is primarily language and symbols, but the heart is primarily frequency
and chemical reactions. And I think it does it on a spectrum of experience. So every all time
is the experience of that emotion on a spectrum. The more balanced we are, the easier it is,
the more lopsided we are, the more it's just a new thought that I've been thinking about of what
really is time and time is the experience of that. Right. Right. Because it's like I said, it's all
a game. And so the time creates the way the game operates. So if you're at an opera or if you're,
let's say you're at an amazing classical music theater and there's this Mozart being played,
you're intellectually hearing and digitally taking in that. And then your heart moves to tears.
You actually weep at the sound of that beauty, right? It's intentional coming from the orchestra
and you're also acquiescing, or at least intellectually, you'll actually understanding
that too. You're understanding the crescendos and the different notes. So would you not say that
that's both, I mean, would you say in that case, the heart isn't just an emotion? Cause you said
that the motions are in the head and the heart is a vibration. So is that coming together?
That's what we call emotion. Cause an emotion is technically what your brain thinks of the
experience. So you think have a chemical reaction as a feeling, and then it goes back to your head
and says, what's this all about? And make it interprets the reality. That's your emotion.
It's a spectrum of choice between two polarities. Right. And you can choose the emotion you want to
feel. What's that? You could choose the emotion you want to feel. Exactly. It's true. I agree with
that. I think that it always begins the, the, the balance of the polarity always begins by the
judgment you make of yourself. You have to start from, I am love in order to experience the best
outcome. And if you get that wrong, that's where chaos is created in your life. And life is about
rediscovering that, Oh, you've already always been, I am, that's the fullest potential of love for
the self is I am. And I think, uh, I, and this is my point that I sent to you. I think we are in a
period of time where there is a mass coherence happening between the head and the heart. People
are beginning to drop in to their body, mostly men dropping into their body and feeling that sense
of coherence and women are rising to the awareness in their head and it's bringing coherence. And I'm
seeing mass trajectory towards healing mass. Especially the gypsy. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. We're,
we're, we're, we're, we're calling bullshit on the program now. Yeah. Yes. That's the way of saying
on the matrix. Yeah. Yeah. And the matrix is really our creation. There's nobody created it for us.
We created it for ourselves, but we're calling bullshit on the way that we viewed the world.
And now we're getting in a space to where, what is that to your point, you said before the balance,
where's the balance live to where the present moment of what we're receiving is the intention of its
creation. Right. So if I can get into that space where I am literally walking in the intention of
its creation, then what am I, I'm the creator, but I'm doing it with no ego because I have to receive
it. And if I say that I did that, that I'm not receiving it because I'm pushing it away because
I'm pointing at it. Right. So that's when you move from the, yeah. Yeah. That's when you move from
the, what I call the I am state to the we are state and the we are state is a combination of all I am.
Right. And then in that place, you're just like, you know, cause if somebody says like, you know,
and then the, um, in the, in the Kabylon, it talks about, you know, the person that says,
I am God is completely doomed because the simple fact that you have now separated yourself from the
thing that it is puts you away further away from it than you ever could be. Right. Isn't that part
of the path though? Well, it is part of the path, but that's part of the dip that you get into
because there's an egoness to the eye. Yes. I've always read that. Right. Pure perfect love is
always the collective, the whole, the parts. Yes. Yeah. And it's funny, the further, the further
that I get into this path, whatever further means the more that I say we and us, you know, an hour
and the less I say I, cause I'm like, well, it's not really me. Like even the content that's going
out there, it's like, it's not really me. It's like, why do you hear you saying is you're trying
to transcend your own avatar? Cause we create, it's like the man in the mirror is the thing we think
we are. It's the reflection of who we think we are. It's just in a mirror, but we're not that.
And if we become the true, I am, we become part of the whole, the we, cause that's, that's everyone.
It's like a, in the matrix when, um, uh, what's his name replicated and agent Smith. Yeah. Agent
Smith. So we have that capacity. We just do it with different faces and different body.
Do you want to hear something crazy? I was just thinking about this just today, just before this
podcast. And I just watched the matrix reloaded, um, last night. What's crazy about what happened
in the matrix is, and this is what's happening in the real world today. We're seeing all kinds of
dichotomies, right? We've got dualistic thinking, Islam versus Jew. We've got, uh, left versus
right politically, right? Even if you look at the overarching meta narratives that have come before
us in terms of Freud with the id's always fighting with super ego. You've got marks. It's the
proletariat versus the capitalist and the, um, the aristocracy. And even with, um, Darwin, you've got
this battle between the survivals of the fittest, the haves, the have not, what was crazy about the
matrix is you had this machine and it was the Zion against the enemy, right? The Sentinels were
coming to, to actually take this on. What was nuts about what happened was because of the
because agent Smith actually got near went into agent Smith in the first episode and blew him up.
And then he realizes, wow, you imprinted something on me, created this third kind of paradigm. And
if you finally go to the end of the matrix in revolutions, what ends up happening is Neo makes
a deal with the actual machine and says, Hey, don't kill my folks in Zion. Help me. I need to,
I need to fight Smith and we need to take out Smith together. So what ends up happening is
the machine stopped digging into Zion. And there's this level where the, um, because agent Smith is
still feeling the sense of inevitability of being controlled by a set of controls. He thinks that he
sees Neo die. And when Neo actually does die, at least gets pummeled into a blitter and actually
becomes one with a machine. He thinks he won when in fact he loses. So what, what I'm trying to get
with all this is this rethinking is something I think we need to, we need to embrace because
how do we come with that third way, that third path, refined the common ground within us,
because there's a, Jonathan, even though you're saying there's a lot of heart dropping, there's
still a lot of divisiveness and there's a lot of pain and there's a lot of, there's people getting
awoken, but they're getting awoken with more hatred in their heart, right? There's a sense of
of violence and a sense of it's head space that, that sees this awakeness because they are seeing
lies told to them. Like we're seeing stuff coming out from this government that is blowing people's
minds. They're not happy with, but at the same time, how do we push that aside and then figure out,
going back to even a thousand AD where Alphonse the 10th, you know, you've got the king of Spain has
Jews, Muslims and Christians all hanging out together, building the Alhambra, you know,
doing the kinds of things that they got together with a mysticism and a collective consciousness.
That was amazing, right? These people all cherished and they learned from each other because they got
rid of this dichotomy and this dualistic thinking. So how do we get to that space? That's as a
collective mushrooms. I'm joking. That's one way to do it. I mean, it is, yeah, not totally joking
on that one because essentially we need medicine to get us over our own bullshit sometimes.
Yeah. The medicine allows you to see that which you didn't see, right? So if you only,
the medicine allows you to see that which you can't see.
Yes. That's a great way of saying it.
Yeah. Yeah. Like the visual spectrum of light is like, we see less than 1% of what we can really
see. And then when you take some plant medicine, and I'm not endorsing, everybody goes out and
takes it because you absolutely need to be in a space to integrate. And that's where people lose
it. But if, when you get involved in it and it allows you to see, let's say we see 2% of the
visual spectrum or 10% or 5%. And then you now see something because your senses, whatever it
might be now witnesses it, you can now bring that back into a practice and accountability.
And that's what Christ and the disciples did, is they literally were drinking wine. The wine was
not wine. It was not grapes. It was literally mushrooms.
Ah, the immortality key. There you go. You did read the book. We talked about that almost a year
ago. The immortality key, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like, it's in that space of being
able to open up that little extra and say, okay, this is reality. Let me bring that into life.
And the more of us that do that, the more that it works, but you have to have a responsibility
with itself to be able to hold the container of what you're now seeing. If I give a five-year-old
a pistol, it's going to do something really wrong with that pistol because it doesn't have the
responsibility of it. Yes. Especially if its parents are teaching them all kinds of crazy
stuff and it's watching Yosemite Sam on TV, it's thinking, oh, I'm going to go shoot a rabbit.
Right? I mean, it's that kind of vibe. So we just got to be really mindful of how to integrate and
what the responsibility of these tools that can be weapons and that can be healing frequencies,
either way, because it all works for the greater good when we allow it to.
Yep. Sean, what's the biggest thing that you've learned so far this year? This feels like that
year that it's pivotal. What have you learned so far this year, just from your perspective,
doesn't have to be grand. I know your journey a little bit. What have you really picked up?
Hmm. This like 24 or like in the last 12 months? Oh, in 24. Probably I'd say the most impactful
thing so far is how the code of this earth, which is the thing that birthed us into reality,
is giving us all the information we ever need. Yes. And it shows up really different than
it ever has before, but I sense that we're all witnessing it. When it rains, I'm like,
oh, we're purging. There's something about the rain that it's not just rain anymore.
Or there's something about when I see two sets of birds, I'm like, oh, well, I know what that means.
Crazy stuff like the numerology, or even now I'm doing stuff with letters to where I'm decoding
those into numbers automatically, and I'm seeing the numbers, and I'm seeing the numbers, and I'm
seeing the numbers automatically, and I'm seeing what those things mean. Everything is a message.
The sequencing and like when I feel the wind, it's not just the wind, right? It's some aspect of
resistance that I'm feeling from the world around me that I can't see. And what is that? I can take
it as wind, but it has to be something that created the wind itself. And so therefore, what am I
actually receiving when that wind hits me? It's an electrical event. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
So all of that, all that's a sign and all that's a thing. And so, yeah, I went down this deep rabbit
hole of this winter solstice and dug into some other stuff. And I was like, oh, well, this means
that the earth is more awake, right? But we think the earth is more awake in the summertime. No,
humans are awake. We're moving around. The soul of the earth is wildly awake in the wintertime,
and it's our time to actually surrender, be quiet, and receive that information. So I noticed like
in the last month, it was kind of just like a slower, I would say me just doing stuff, like
where I'm not really out there, but I'm receiving like shit tons of downloads. I think I have like
50 pages of notes of things that I've just written. And it's all just from the field.
It's all from the field and not this untouchable quantum field. It's the actual thing that I'm
seeing. Like now the earth, this conversation, everything that I'm witnessing is like quantum.
Everything on my desk right now has a very specific code to it, why it's there. And it's
something for me to receive. And it's not even an overthinking of, I don't really think about it.
It's just like, oh, I know what that means. Everything good has meaning. Absolutely. It has
from the highest perspective, everything has meaning. I'm just finishing. All right. I just
listened to Victor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning, and he reminded me that we create the
experience of life by our view of it. That if we hold, we can only choose what we experience
inside, not outside. We hold that. That becomes a very meaningful experience to realize, hey,
everything does have meaning. And it's there. You just have to discover it. I love that about
you because you are intentional like that. You create that idea. And that is a choice that we
can all make to create meaning out of things. And you're listening to, hey, it's tied to something
much deeper. Let's listen. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things we've discovered when you
don't have a lot of food is you savor that. It's very common in Buddhist tradition to
meditate as you eat. And Americans, I mean, we've scarfing down double double cheeseburgers,
right, with extra raw onions in about two minutes, right, because that's the way we roll.
And to be able to think about the food and then knowing there's not a lot, you're chewing and
masticating it down, which in turn actually is better for your body too. So one of the things
as this group that's gone to this program has appreciated more is just the nature of being
mindful about how it's going into your body and chewing it and actually feeling it actually
provide energy to you. So I love that what you elicited right there, Sean. I was going to ask
you, I've seen a lot of things out on the ether that deal with ascension. I mean, we do talk about
people becoming more awake, but Jonathan, we had Cleburne talk about ascension and a planal shift.
So we had a podcast guest on a name, Cleburne, who has tapped into his pineal gland and felt like
by tapping into the Christ oil, which is something that starts with the fluid in the pineal gland,
goes down to the sacrum, goes all the way back up again, kind of as an antenna. He's seen
what we would describe as the rapture is actually just a planal shift, right, that we're going to be
elevated to a different place than others. But believe it or not, Virginia talked about this
interventional shift. Jonathan, Dolores Cannon has talked about this. There's a guy named Keb on
Twitter talks about ascension through aliens and Pleiadians. Have you heard of Pleiadians out there?
Sean, I don't know if you have. Okay, cool. What's crazy is all these people are talking about this
planal shift, but it's coming from a lot of different perspectives. So there's got to be
something going on, right? Because you've got all these little paths and if we're all kind of aiming
towards the same goal, it doesn't matter really how you get there. If it's collective and the
consciousness is there, it doesn't really matter in the path, I don't think. So what do you think
about this idea of a planal shift and what are you hearing in the ether about that? And maybe it's
something similar to being awake or not. I'm not sure. I think there's always two paths, right?
One path is that we are already ascended. We already ascended. It's already done. We just haven't
actually, we don't believe that we are. Got it. And so part of it is that once we start knowing
that beyond the belief that we could have that this thing is happening, we have to prove to
ourselves the funky thing about humanity is that we look at the logic and the linearness of the
proof that needs to happen in order to actually make a change or a shift. And miracles that happen
that are truly miracles, they don't have a logical timeline to them. There's no logical
structure of how human beings are created. I mean, really? There's a penis and a vagina
and some sperm and some eggs and you could try to back this thing up, but that whole thing
is a kind of magical process. It's not like you can just go do that in a lab and you can math your
way into it, right? So if that's the case, and we've always been able to do that, we're
always able to do that. And we've always had these little miracles that are always happening in our
life as simple as birth. Then when you look at the human body, the human body is a true reflection
of Ascension. And what I mean by that is that when we make the decision as a collective of human
beings, because we're all individual cells in this entire big machine, right? Called the Matrix, the
human kind. And my purpose is, I might be a knee cell on the entire body. You might be a head cell
or forehead and some, Rich, you might be the chin. It doesn't really matter what part we are, but we
all have a very specific role to play and we all have a very specific purpose. We often look at the
other cell and say, shit, that looks really cool to be the head. And so I want to do that. And
that's where our separateness comes in. And that's why we create this cancerous world that we live
in because we're not recognizing that we're all one big unit on the body. So now the Ascension is,
is that when I look at myself, if my nose stops being a nose, then my nose will fall off, right?
If my hands stop being a hand, they know their purpose, they do their thing. And they do it with
all the love and the vigor at the subatomic particles, at the Planck scale, the vacuum
fluctuation of that energy is just as much as in the universe and it is fully functioning.
And my body is a full representation of that reality. Right. So my body is a representation
of Ascension. And if my body is a representation of Ascension, then all I have to do is say,
I just need to stand in my purpose and do the thing that everything in my body does on an ongoing
basis that we fight against. Like we are like, you know, nah, you're not supposed to do that.
I'm going to go and change something or I'm going to, you know, do something stupid to myself,
whatever it might be, or not take care of this vessel. But the body still does it. It still
figures it out. Right. Until we beat it into submission and it dies. But the thing about
Ascension is, is that we have the ability as human beings to actually fully surrender into our purpose.
And at which point, when that happens, there will be a, there will be a shift. Yes. There'll be a
shift to where there will be us that just kind of like move into this organism. I don't know what
it's going to be, what it's going to look like. But we'll move into some organism, some thing,
some structure that will transcend time and space. These things will not exist anymore.
Technology will completely shift and we'll start moving inter-dimensionally all over the place as
like one big unit of function. And it's already happened. We just keep playing with the concept
of time to think that we have to do some crazy ass meditation to get there. And that's cool because
it's part of the path, right? But it's also one of those things that there's, there's a, there's going
to be like this whipping in time to where like every thought we have creates a reality. There's
going to be different structures and apparatuses that we live in that like literally ascend humanity
in this one, in the state of we are oneness that is no longer a name and we are completely unborn
and we are eternally evolving. And that to me is this Ascension process that has already happened.
We just keep fucking around with it to try to figure out, is it really real or not?
I don't know. So where does that leave you? Like how do you address that knowing that for
how do you address that for yourself knowing that kind of idea exists in your head?
Because it's, you know, there are, all of us have a purpose, right? So if I recognize that and I know
that and we all have the power to move the mountains, you also know why it's there.
And there's a requirement for all of us to be able to get into the path of surrendering. And if
let's say for instance, I touch one person and that person now has the ability to touch a million.
I was just as impactful as the one that touched the million. My ego would say I need to be the one
that touches the million because I want to be the guy. But if that happens, that's great. If it
doesn't happen, it's great. But it's like, how can I impact? I mean, if you think about Jesus, Jesus
touched, you know, not that many people. Okay. Realistically, Moses touched, you know, quite a
few, but not that many people. It wasn't like millions of, we didn't have social media. We
didn't have any of these things, but the stories live on like crazy because of the truth that that
person was able to stand it. You know, and what I would love to see and then put out there is the
true stories of Christ where, you know, him being a fuck off between 18 and 32, right? And the
vulnerability.
You're second on that one because we had people on who talked about him. Do you think he went to
the East during that period? Okay. That's the context that we were exploring and we do too.
So it changes the narrative of Jesus because it means he brought to the East back to the,
yeah, he brought them together. He brought them all together.
There's even stories he married a lady named Miriam and they were married from 18 to 25 and
for seven years and then she passed away. Like there's all this stuff that, you know, is out
there. But I mean, there were mistakes. There were things. Nobody's a perfect human being,
but that Christ consciousness, that messianic consciousness that he was able to pull in
allowed for him to ascend, right? And once he recognized it, he's like, okay, I get it,
but I'm here. So like the monks that get it, but they're also here. A lot of them are like,
look, I just don't want to do that. Like, I like, like, I'm going to go sit in the thing and do the
thing and energetically connect and go through my process. But there are those of us that are here
to bring it to the world. There's those of us that are here to touch one or two or 10 or 10 million.
It doesn't matter. And you know that the time is a game and it's already happened. Therefore,
you can actually just see everything as love. And that's the Ascension process.
Do you think that Joel Osteen is a good example of that kind of person?
I don't, I don't know. He doesn't get enough credit. I think he knows more than people give
him credit for. Yeah, I haven't really studied his, his, uh, I mean, I've heard him speak. I think
he's fantastic, but I don't, I don't know too much about his, um, like what he really, really is deep
about. A lot of his detractors would say he's Christianity light, you know? Um, but he definitely,
I mean, we had a Tao priest on who thought he was amazing and he actually kind of talked about not
hypnotics and then in a pejorative sense, but he said the way he talks and the way he communicates
has an amazing ability to capture a lot of people. Right. So, um, I just was curious in that
particular, uh, you know, framework on that. So, well, it showed up for a reason. I'll have to look
into it. Yeah, there you go. Hey, so you, a couple of days ago, you had this amazing meditation
and, um, you, you said in this meditation, it was designed to kind of get people kind of focused in
that, which is real is that, which is eternal. So that that, which is truth is that, which is real.
Yeah. That which is real is that, which is eternal. So that, that, so that which is truth is that,
which is real. So Jonathan, if I have always said, if it's something is true, it has to be,
did we say it has to be, if something is true, Jonathan, isn't that always true? It doesn't have
to be, it doesn't know, isn't it always true? It kind of has an eternality to it. Right. So
that which is real is that, which is eternal. So that which is truth is that, which is real.
So can you unpack, can you unpack that a little bit for me? Cause it's profound and it starts to
make sense. And then was it on his video? Yeah, it was on the video. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I
was doing that and it just kept coming through and I'm like, I, I, you know,
you just went with what you were downloading. Is that what I don't know what it means. I mean,
I know what it means. I know what it means. I'm not saying I don't know what it means,
but at the time of it, this is so damn confusing. No, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. No. I mean,
so it's, you know, what is truth, right? Number one, um, everything has like everything that we
witness because it's not eternal. Isn't true. Right. So it's like, if I'm looking at, you know,
anything that's in my peripheral right now is not eternal. Nothing like nothing like even a tree,
like there's nothing that is eternal. So therefore it's not real. Okay. Now, so if that's what is
truth is that which is eternal, you know, and then essentially that which is real also has to be true.
So then in that kind of context of putting that whole, um, sentence together is that recognize
what's eternal around you and surrender constantly into that so that you can walk into a different
reality. And then if you can recognize the only thing that is eternal in your life is the soul
that you are in. Right. And the souls that are around you, then that's the reality that we should
be constructing off of. And then working in that reality instead of working in the reality of,
you know, let me go and, you know, do this work. Like, of course do the work because it's part of
the process that you're in, but that's one of those things. That's like a by-product of the
entire thing. So how can I incorporate and really integrate with the souls around me and in a way
that isn't, um, a spiritual vampire or being, you know, degrading or pulling individuals down or
hurting somebody? That's the, that's the sauce, right? Like that's the stuff that we want to,
that we are going to continue to surrender into. And that's, that to me just makes a big shift in
how you view things. Cause you're not, you don't take anything personal at that point. You're like,
all right, well that happened, you know, um, what's been the, what's been the valuable part of seeing
yourself as the we to that integration of I am the we, what's been the value of that? Cause I love
that idea. I understand that what you're talking about because there's a greater collective that
we are. You accept everything. You accept everything and you say everything. You see everything with
just extreme gratitude. You see everything with wild reverence and you love everything. Even the
stuff that you probably shouldn't like according to society is, you know, that it's part of we,
like if we are God and we are the whole thing, then nothing that happens, it's, it's all an
initiation and you don't take it personal. And I mean, and I can imagine the most horrific things
happening, like say something were to happen to, you know, um, a very close friend of mine or, you
know, fiance or son or parents, whatever it might be, you know, we take that personal. Yeah. And
that's okay to take a personal cause it's part of the grieving process, part of the up and down,
but it's also one of those things it's like pain. Their soul is the real thing. Their soul is the
eternal thing. And can I love their soul beyond their body? And you know, one thing that we've
done when in looking at, you know, all of these beautiful, um, prophets and deity like that
deities, but you know, the prophets and everything, right? Yeah. We love their soul beyond their body.
We love what the soul represented. That was the eternalness, not all the other broken pieces of
them. Cause I'm sure they all had problems, right? Um, but we love, we love the legacy, the journey,
the reality of what they were creating. And that's the real thing. Well, we love Peter
so much because he was so broken, right? Here's a guy who watches Jesus on the Mount of
Transfiguration, right? He's hanging out with James and John and he sees the living Christ
coming through in his glory. And then the next thing you know, he cuts off the servants here
cause he forgets what Jesus came for. And then he's denying him three times, right? Um, right there
before the crucifixion. And so we're thankful that we have somebody who could open mouth and put in
foot, but realize at the end of the day that his heart was in the right place, but we get to
suffer with them, right? We get to make these mistakes and realize that grace is real. And we
we're thankful for that. Right. And I think that you look at the prophets, you know, you got a guy,
I mean, for help, heaven's sake, Elijah calls down fire, you know, upon the prophets at Baal,
Mount Carmel, um, Jonathan, and then runs away from Jezebel, right? So he, here he is calling
down freaking fire. I got on this altar. He made a little joke with the priests and he says, okay,
why don't you put water? Uh, no, he says, try to light the fire. I don't know what happened. Um,
I think he asked him to put water all over the place. They couldn't light this thing on fire.
And then he goes, maybe your God's pissing, you know, have taken a, taken a leak someplace,
you know? And then all of a sudden he does it and he calls it down. So he's,
everything's consumed and he's, he's the bad ass of the day. And then next thing you know,
the next day he runs away from Queen Jezebel, you know? And so you have things like that. I think
that's what I also love about the Bible. I think you love the Bible too, in many regards. And you
called it the most dangerous book in fact, because of the reflection of what happens. And I just
love this Sean, because Jonathan, I got to tell you how many times as an apologist for the
Calvinistic side of things in faith, when I would open up that Bible, the first thing that I would
start doing was I was looking for those verses that would justify my position. And what a fucked up
thing is that, right? Instead of looking at the light, yeah, it's looking to the light of the
spirit that goes into those words and using them instead of light, you're using them for, you know,
at least a backhanded slap to say, I've got the upper hand. And, you know, but thank God you've
got so many, you know, people just screwing up in the Bible, right? Even David, right? Just what a
mess. He's a murderer, he's an adulterer, right? And yet at the end of the day, he had that heart.
So I just love, I love that we've got these stories, you know? Yeah, I did too. Let me ask
you a question. What do you feel is the responsibility of this awareness? And do you look at it as, oh,
I should go create this thing that makes it happen? Or are you taking an approach that says,
I'm just going to be in the moment and do whatever that is? Which one are you leaning towards?
That's a great question. That is a great question. So it's, for me, it's moving away from any
efforting and really into a receiving, you know, I was reading or do some like working with the,
you know, Kabbalistic teachings right now and kind of going through that and studying that entire,
you know, tree life and, you know, going from Ketzer all the way to Malchutz and, you know,
what all those things mean. And, you know, we were all, we were all born to just receive the light.
Right. And, but the reality of it is, is that if I was born with a silver spoon, I'm never going to
appreciate it. And so to your point in this whole process that I used to want to be like, I want to
go save the world and let's go fix everybody and let's, you know, I wrote out these different
stages of consciousness that we go through because what I started to notice is like, you know,
like my old ego has kind of toward the October of last year, I saw these people just start popping
off and I'm like, well, shit, my stuff is just as good, if not better. That's, that's kind of what
I was saying. And I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What, what, what,
what am I saying right now? And I'm like, you know what, everybody, there's something for everybody,
you know, for those that have years old from here, what they, they're going to hear the thing that
they need to hear at the time. And it might not be my message, but I know that my message might
impact the person that's like crushing it with somebody else out there. Right. And as long as
we are helping individuals walk through those different stairs, those steps and up that ladder,
that's what's important. So the responsibility for me to go out and be like, I got to shift
the whole thing, not me. It's a we thing. So I go, babe, took me right back to the we thing. Once I
realized that there's no I or me that I have to do anything, but what ends up happening is the more
that I receive and widen my vessel, the more that the instructions are all over the place,
the more instructions roll in and the more people show up in my life that literally are the stepping
stones for me to continue to walk down and they guide me. So now when people show up in my life,
I am in absolute awe and reverence because they are literally a guide that I've created for myself
to take me down a path in order for us to do something together. And that feels so much
different than me sitting here like, okay, I got to come up with the plan and figure it out.
But it all works. It's like, oh, well, I got a guy that's building out a whole like conscious
community mystery school. I got another one over here that's building this thing called in life.
There's another guy over here that's building another thing and I'm just part of it and I'm
in it. And you know, individuals like, how do you do so much stuff? It's like, I'm just kind of like
flowing. I'm just moving like the water. How does the water, you know, the next problem?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, you were also talking earlier about how the hand
does what it's supposed to do and the nose does what it's supposed to do. And when they're
supposed to do what they're supposed to do, you don't even think about it, right? And that's the
kind of rhythm though. It's, that's what the ego wants to be this big light and say, look at me
when being part of the we gives you what you actually want. That's the joke of it is the ego
never realizes because they can never let go that the very thing, the fulfillment from we
is the very thing that I seeks. And I'm realizing, God, I've created this Jonathan
avatar for myself and I'm learning to let it go. Like really what happens if I don't stay alive?
Like what happens in three generations? It's like, it's not as big of a deal as my amygdala wants.
The reality is that I'm not going to experience it anyways. And who knows? Because now I'm realizing
we are energy. We always can do conservation of energy. That's 100%. Understanding quantum physics
basically was the greatest validation of what Christ consciousness was. That to me is the only,
that's the thing is this Jesus guy actually created this idea or exposed it that if you just love
life gets really good. And he created this idea of the way and just gave simple language to it.
And we've been playing around it for like 2000 years and I think it's waking up.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's like three, three things that I'll kind of speak to it around this,
like this Christ consciousness. So like one of them is what I've noticed in, in, in when I reread
it, I've like reread, you know, different stories of Christ and I started watching the shows in the
other day because I got a client that's involved in it. I'm like, Oh, this is great. Is that one
thing that Christ did is never use his gifts to save anybody. He only used his gifts to show other
people how to save themselves. Yes. And like when I was looking at the deal in the, um,
where he's feeding the individuals and he's like, you know, the disciples went and sat, sat with
chat. Yeah, that'd be great. The disciples went and sat with individuals in these groups.
And pods and it was taking the teachings and going and showing other individuals. And it's like,
Oh, well they all got fed. When did they get fed? I mean, we still could say it's bread and
this and so on and so forth. But when we know the symbology of the bread and the blood or the bread
and the wine and what they actually had, it wasn't the food. It was the information and the
knowledge. Yeah. Feeding them the knowledge was the thing that came in. Now what does the ego do?
The ego says, well, shit, I don't deserve this. I'm not worthy of it. So I need to look at this guy
as the King. He's the guy that did it. Jesus is the guy. And then they revered him instead of
revering themselves as the ones that were creating. And he kept pointing people back to that.
And so there's, there's that aspect of it. And then what that led me to is then going deeper into
some like I delved into this Rudolph Steiner thing even further where he was talking about the Jehovah
and, um, Aramonic. Have you, have you studied Aramon and Lucifer and how all this stuff works?
Tiny, tiny, not Aramon. I've always hold the Luciferian is the light bearer, right? Yeah.
And in terms of Masonic, um, stuff, I mean, I mean, I mean, there's a lot of people who don't
think that Lucifer is actually a bad guy. He's actually, um, but do you know the characters?
Not did not the second guy only know the Luciferian one that your, your son's talked
about him a lot. Who's the, if he's the light, if Lucifer is the light bearer, who's the dark
bearer, Satan, but don't a lot of people say Lucifer is Satan. Uh, not in Masonic terms. No.
They, they differentiate the two. So Aram, Aramon is like the, so basically you have two different
devils, which are the extensions of polarity at both ends, right? You've got the light and you've
got the dark, you've got all this dark as it could possibly be. You've got as light as it could
possibly be. If you go all the way into the dark, you're blind. You go all the way into the light.
You're blind. Both of them are problematic. Okay. So the polarities are always where the chaos is.
Yeah. Luciferian energy lives on the extensions of ether, air and water.
The state we can call it Satan or we can call it Aramonic energy either way sits inside of the core
materialism, the matter and what's actually in this world. There's a threshold. They either call it
a Braxis, Masonic energy, Christ consciousness, whatever you want to, that is the gateway that
allows the Jehovah and the ether, air and the water to then translate into what we call the mineral
or the material space of this world.
Hold on a second. Is that the moment that energy becomes matter? Is that that point?
That's the point when yeah, it comes in and then it translates into reality. Now the thing is,
is the Jehovah energy will never touch the matter. It has to go through the gateway of this
consciousness or this threshold or the Braxis or the, this threshold energy that sits there.
And the ascension process is us being able to hold the space of pulling in the light,
loving the darkness, bringing the light into the darkness and being able to paint the picture of
our creation, which we do that in a microspace. We did in a macrospace. You go to the law of
correspondence, it's ourselves do that inside of our body, as well as our, we do that, but we just
do it with like fucked up thoughts sometimes. And then there's more, right? And so we are
constantly walking in that space. We just don't see it all as love and we choose a side, which is why
a lot of spiritual individuals get lost in the light. Like, Oh, like what I've noticed a lot of,
a lot of billionaires and millionaires that I talk to, you know, that many billionaires out there
would have talked to a handful, they start getting into spirituality and they're like, Oh, I just
got to go to the light thing because they conquered the materialism. So what, what do they do? The
pendulum swings to the right as much as swings left. Now they go chase light. They get lost in
the light. Interesting. Would you say Tony Robbins is like that? He seems to be always, always in
the light, always in the positive side. Would you say that that's an example of his thought?
I think Tony, I honestly think Tony's Tony's kind of balanced.
He is too. Yeah. Can you give an example of somebody who's gone into the light who
wants to stay in the light side of things? Just as example.
No, he's an integrator. I would say that he integrates and he can, he can impact. He's,
he's more balanced. Like other individuals that I've noticed is like they'll, they get on the
journey and then they go chase the light and they're in plant medicine ceremonies every week. They
are like, you see a lot of actors, like, you know, Will Smith done like 80 some, I don't know,
hundreds of ayahuasca ceremonies because he's trying to escape this thing, but he was able
to master the material space. Like he was able to, and that's like when you make the sign of deal
with the devil, you know, whatever you want to call it. It's like, I'm going to not be in the
light in order to make a deal. And I used to, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did,
I did that at one point. I was like, I'll make a deal with the material space. Right. And I want
to crush it. What happens is when our intention is meant for so much more, we never able to keep it.
And it just like comes and goes. And some of us make that deal to where we want to keep it. And
so we ignore the light. And once consciousness pulls us up into a space, the responsibility of
those that have made that deal are going to have to relinquish it. And there'll be just this like
massive purging, which is, you know, I anticipate some weird financial crisis that is going to force
people to let go of their money. Energy is neither created or destroyed. It will shift into something
else. And then at which point, um, it will be democratized for the masses so that we can all
live in the abundance of ourselves and quit worrying about all this nonsense.
Do you think that happens quickly or over like a decade? What's your feeling on that?
Well, that's a relative thing. It could be, it could be very quick.
It could be. I think it could be very, very quick. Yeah. Very, very quick. Yeah. I mean,
you can see the signs. I mean, we're already gearing up for, you know, central bank,
digital currency way, you know, Bitcoin is now a commodity, you know, so we literally have a
thing that's created off an energy. That's now a currency that is now a commodity. And it's starting
to translate so that it can back up this actual digital currency that's going to show up. It's no
accidents, right? Uh, when that happens, you know, all of the standards of the material ways that
we've seen the world, it'll translate from this thing that we could hold and see to something we
can't hold and see anymore. And then we're just going to have to trust in the process. It's
letting go of the gold standard, the dollars, the things along those lines and saying, okay,
well, this is the thing that we're going to have to lean into. Yeah. I don't know if you guys
heard this, but, um, I just heard, I didn't even know about this, but I guess we had two
destroyers in the Red Sea, uh, that were attacked. Uh, we were trying to guard some cargo because
there's a lot of money, a lot of revenue, a lot of trade that goes in between that. And we had to
turn around because the Houthis were launching drone strikes at our destroyers, right? So we
turned tail. So there's a lot of stuff that's happening. I was like, Whoa, this is getting
serious, right? You've got a movie called civil war coming out by 24 productions. And it's like,
okay, we really have a civil war brewing literally on our border right now. You can't fucking make
this stuff up. And it's literally all written out for you. You know, you got to leave the world
behind. It came out a few months ago and sometimes it feels like we're still freaking scripted,
you know? And so, but, and, and, and to think and to feel like the writings on the wall with,
I mean, China's looking like having, it's having a hell of a time with its own currency and stuff.
So, but that being said, right, we, we still have this imperative to, to live our best lives and to
collect with each other. And I think there's ways to rise above this and to vibrate higher
than the shit crashing around us, you know? And that's how we get it, get through it together.
Yeah. And the, what's going to be interesting is seeing the world and like, you know, whenever
you interpret dreams, the dream is not the way that it's that it's not the way that we think it
is. So, you know, my fiance was having a conversation about a dream the other day where she was like
looking for her mother, right? Well, it's not the fact that you're looking for your mother,
right? It's something else inside of that. So like when we went a little bit deeper into it
and what that meant, it was the fact that she was looking for the divine feminine within her.
So the, when we start to move from this logical world to the magical world, the way that we'll
have to read it is not the way that our minds can contact. Like it's not the way that we can make
sense of it. It's going to be like, Oh, well, this stuff is happening over here. Oh, it's doom
and gloom. No, it's actually purge and release. So when we look at that as like a loving aspect,
it's positive side of the energy, right? It just gives the energy and it's like, Oh, okay.
Well, now the currency system over in China is off. Well, but then all of a sudden the currency
and the pesos going bananas in Mexico. It's not as it seems, right? There's something within that,
but there's a, you know, what's being, what's happening is individuals are getting rewarded
for being in their hearts. You know, one thing I noticed in like, when I go down to Mexico
is, you know, the, the, the way they put value on themselves tied to money isn't the same as it is
over here, you know, and they will work their ass off and from an integration perspective. So
their ability to integrate and get stuff done is pretty solid. The problem is, is they don't get
rewarded for it. So now what's happening is the currency and the energy is starting to basically
reward them, whether we like it or not. And those that aren't doing the integration,
they're actually losing value. Like it's really interesting watching all these things kind of
like shift and you know, it's a, it's a correction. Yeah. Well, you just naturally, I mean, I live in
Southern California, right? And so I am used to, I mean, you, you're in LA half the time, right? LA
and New York, right? You spend some time between both coasts. So, um, we, we see, you know, these
poor guys out at four 30 in the morning, you know, we're, we're having a holiday and they're out
there at five o'clock picking stuff out there all the time, sending multiple generations here to
work their asses off to send them home. You know, I mean, even one of the congressmen was kind of
saying, well, who's going to, you know, you know, wash your car and do all this stuff. Like, oh,
you know, it was supposed to be a kind of a, you know, it was supposed to be a bagging on Republicans.
And here she is saying, you know, who's going to, you know, take care of all these things. In fact,
there was a movie called the day without a Mexican, right? So maybe it is time for that shift, um,
Sean. And when you say that integration, are you saying that the hard work they're doing somehow
is being tied also to their heart, that that's why you're seeing this peso valuation increase in that
and their wealth immediately get better? Or when you, what kind of integration are you talking
about for the Mexican people? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it's more of the fact that they are,
yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's the hard work. So like what's happening now is that, you know, in,
in this stage of, um, the cat tour to the Malhu and going through the tree of life, it actually,
it's going to the root, right? So everything in our foundation is emptying down when what we've
done historically is we've honored this, right? We've honored overly intellectual thinking,
we've honored a bunch of ideation, we've rewarded that, but we haven't rewarded the integration of
that. And those that can even lightly integrate become wildly successful. Okay. So now there's
aspects of how we are honoring this earth, the work that we're doing physically here,
which is why like old people used to get mad and they're like, you know, there's these people don't
even know how to work anymore because that blood, sweat and tears and that integration of like
actually truly working from your emotions down is a big difference. And when you work with passion
and you put your feelings into what you're doing and you bring it from your heart, that has to move
from here down, they're not thinking about it. It's almost like a constant meditation when they're
out there doing it and just getting it and going and doing that rhythmic work. It's like a meditation,
but it's coming from here down. And so energetically, it starts to then shift the dynamic
of the way that, you know, currencies and whatnot are being reintegrated back into this world. And
then you're starting to see like this valuation take off in the peso. That's like, it's actually
pissing really rich. Like I have some Mexican friends down there that do really well. And they're
like, fuck, this is messing up my whole system because like it's just popping off. And their
valuation is going up. But it's funny to see, but who it's rewarding is those that are working hard,
those that have been sitting on it and leveraging the dollar against the peso and, you know, kind
of like using it for their benefit. It's actually hurting them because they've been working from
this space and trying to logic their way around it instead of the other way around. And it's
quite interesting to see. Hey, Sean, you know, I realized a question I wanted to ask you for a long
time is help our audience understand, cause you prolifically talk about this, the difference between
3d, 4d and 5d. Yeah. So 3d is, you know, I can go through the dimensional kind of breakdown of it,
but so the third dimension is really a space of time understanding. It's what we call the spark.
Right. So any, you know, it's the, there's the Trinity in it. It's understanding what experiences
are like tied to time. And it's, you know, there, there really is no plan in it. I mean, it can,
it can have a plan drop into it, but there's really no plan in it. It's just kind of like
a being in an experience. The 4d is what I call, and some people can disagree with this, is the,
it's the bridge to your higher consciousness, this 5d consciousness that we can get into.
And you have to go through, so when you start going through trials and issues and problems in
life and so on and so forth, and there are the devils that you have to overcome, whether it's
the devil, the light or the dark, whatever it might be, it's the bridge that you have to walk over.
Right. And so in that bridge that you have to walk over, once you pass it, it then entitles you,
you become worthy because you have to go through those stages of being able to receive.
That's not just like the silver spoon being handed to you. So you have to go through that.
And once you get to the 5d, you can now start seeing everything as love. And it's a choice
because it's not, we're not going to stay in 5d because there's a whole world for us to experience
here in 3d that is tied to these time experiences that not everybody's out of them. We're all part
of the same body. So therefore what's my responsibility? Our responsibility is that
I can go and grab information and I can bring it back across. And every time I go back and cross
this threshold of this fourth dimension, I'm going to be challenged and tested because you know what,
there's going to be a troll on that bridge that pops up and says, Hey, you know, pay the toll.
What do you need to do here? And it's going to be an initiation for me to stay in 5d.
An initiation for me to stay in the truth of what I know to say that 5d is so important,
but I also know that I have a responsibility to work in this world. And so it's like a bridge
between the two. And then once you're there in the 5d, it's that, okay, well then there's a plan
that you can connect to in the sixth dimension where God is basically pulling you and your plan
into yourself. And this is the information that you can receive, which is why we get downloads
and we get in that really high state is that the plan of God dropping right into you and you now
have the ability to translate that into the third dimension. And now you're walking with the plan
in your life and you're also able to translate that for others. That is beautiful. That is
absolutely beautiful, brother. I really appreciate that. Oh, thanks man. Thank you. I've never heard
that it was eloquently put. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I'm wondering if a microcosm of that is when Paul
was able to enter in that third heaven, he came down from it and then he got this
thorn in his side and he asked God for the thorn to be gone. And he goes, no, my grace is sufficient
for you. And I've always wondered like what the hell happened up in that third heaven?
Cause we know that he's fucking amazing. I mean, I mean, outside of Jesus, Paul is pretty much the,
would you say, um, Jonathan and Christianity, the second most important person that kind of walked
the face of the earth besides, I mean, who else besides? That would put David ahead of Paul.
You put David ahead of Paul in terms of Christianity. Paul was the mind. Yeah. So,
but I mean, but I always often thought that's the troll. There's a thorn here that says, no dude,
you've been up there. This is your grounding. You have this going on just so you could remember
all the time. You know, what's here, you need to share it. And when you feel that pain, that's
your groundedness and what's going on in this, in this 3d. I think that's, that's, that's,
that's amazing, man. You know what a lot of people don't even think about is Paul was basically
silent for 15 years. So he didn't just go run out and do all this stuff. He was, he, he, he basically
probably experienced a lot of shit in his head for 15 years, trying to overcome his own. I mean, he,
he was a brutal person and then learn because the journey is ultimately the only person I have to
deal with is me. And so for Paul, he had to deal with the fact that if he saw Jesus had a physiological
real experience and it completely blinded him, what do you do with that kind of experience? You
know, and it took him a long time probably to forgive himself. Yeah. Well, I think what's
interesting is that, you know, the blinding and even the silence, it's a hell of a possum retreat,
right? I mean, it's literally, it's literally like, you know, you take away, if he's overly cerebral,
then let me remove what you can see. He redid it for himself. I'm going to remove what I can see
and I'm going to remove the actual thing and I'm going to go within and I'm going to sit within
that. And if you think about the 15, the one in the five to six, right? It's the six is the plan
of God. He's literally pulling in the plan of God through that period of time, culminating that over
a course that, you know, is a six. It's kind of interesting when you look at it. Yeah. Sean,
did you see book of Clarence? I didn't know. Should I? Yes. It's very unique. I,
Lakeith Sanfield is my favorite actor and the director who did it, it's basically
the 13th apostle tries to be like Jesus and ends up discovering he is I am. It's a phenomenal story.
It's a little, it's not perfect in terms of that. He has a comedic element to it that doesn't quite
work, but the story is phenomenal. You, I think you'd absolutely love it because it's all about
a human being who's completely doubting, arcing all the way over to completely believing. He says,
and the end is I don't believe I know. And the knowing the gnosis is that final state of the arc
to know I am. It's a phenomenal story. Is it on, is it on? It just came out in theaters. It's still
probably in theaters. Okay. I have to go. Wow. I never heard of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I
remember. I remember this trailer. Actually I've been wanting to see this. Okay. It's unique. It's
unlike any movie you've probably ever seen. And that's what he was trying to go for. It's kind
of wild. So I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it after you see it. Okay. Yeah. I'll check it
out. I'll check it out. All right. Hey, what's your plans for this year? Oh man. Like what's the
thing with your like awareness to where is Sean bringing 5d back to 3d this year? Is there any
thought process that's kind of resonating? I don't say, I don't say I have a plan. I'd say my, I'm
just, I'm very intentional in the now and it, as I've done this, it's like the plan is architecting
itself with me. So what's showing up right now for you? Oh man. Like, you know, like I, you know,
all the intentions that I said at the end of last year have almost all happened within the first 25
days of the year, which is crazy. Um, I had an, you know, like, Hey, we want clients that are values
aligned. Every single one of them landed a huge client for, um, spirituality. And it's like,
okay, this is great. All those things are locking in, you know, um, being able to truly stay in the
integrity of what that means inside a client, potential client the other day that I'm like,
Oh, this guy built all this amazing technology around, um, taking 5,000 years of learning and
putting it into an app. And you know, there was a, there was a, there was an initiation that I was,
basically I could have made a lot of money on them. If I took the plan that he wanted me to
execute on, I said, look, this is, I can't work with you this way. I have to work with you in a way
that's going to grow your business. Not in a way, cause he got pitched by another group at the same
time. And they wanted him to do this thing that was all glitz and glamor, but there was not effective,
but I would have made a lot of money on it. I said, he's all work with you. If you do this thing,
I was like, I can't do that. I can't, I can't, I could, but it would be out of integrity of me
knowing that I would be helping you. And so, I mean, it was a pretty significant thing and I was,
I let it go, but it was beautiful to just be able to let that go. And then as soon as I did,
something else came in. So I had done the planning thing. It would have been like, oh, this is
revenue. This is a thing. I want to do this and then help these people in this business.
But I didn't take it. And, and then literally right after that, 10 times the blessings came in. So
I'm in the space of constantly being just delighted and receiving what that delight looks like.
Even in the, even in the, even in the choice of turning away from something that Sean,
even five months ago would have been like, yeah, let's go, let's get it.
So there's that. I would say that when it comes to, you know, this,
how we all awaken together, it's just getting with individuals and creating different
apparatuses and areas of momentum that allow people to just be entertained by consciousness,
to find different lanes, to find themselves that don't feel overly dogmatic and scary,
that they are becoming the creator of this and finding ways just into their heart
and helping people get away from this whole like money game. That's just a really negative trap
that showing people how money isn't a thing anymore. So that I have a notion about that too.
What's happened? You went, you want to contemplate the we, money doesn't make sense. Like it,
that's the thing that I resonate with. What you're saying is money stops becoming important.
Yeah. In the we. Yeah. Wouldn't you just give to yourself if it's the we and you wouldn't
no longer hold back to try to profit from somebody else? There's no benefit for the all there.
Yeah. But collectively, if it's the benefit for they all, like that's what Rich and I have been
talking about on occasion around the idea of capitalism. Capitalism is ultimately the profit
for me, which is competitive based. What if it switched to cooperative, which is essentially a
co-op, but if it's solidified and becomes about the we, how much more effective we could actually be?
It would be effective, attractive, repetitive. Yes. Right. It's all these things, right? It's
the flywheel that Nick talked about yesterday. It's co-creation. It is iterative. It's
it is. It is iterative and repetitive. And it's, I mean, everybody shares in it, right? And so
it's amazing. A hundred percent. Yeah. That's what's on the radar is that shift of capitalism.
Cause it's harbinger of the, it's kind of like that. The grind of most men I know.
It's like, I still want to make a lot of money, but something's really broken.
Yeah. That's one thing I love about Judaism. When I watch them in community, they are a religion,
a race and a community, right? And watching those communities function and support each other.
And then they have different, you know, areas of them, but watching them support each other and how,
you know, it's like a, even someone in the Indian culture as well, but really in Judaism,
I watch that and they support each other and their community aligned and they just,
they go to work like, and they, you know, and they got each other's backs. And it's like this
little organism that has a lot of light in the way that even Hebrew language and things are
structured, there's stuff in that, that is like very, um, frequency aligned and oriented to why
these things come to them and why it happens. And even why some, they have some very dark days,
um, on the other side. So, um, if we could all kind of look at that as an example of how to build
our communities, it starts to shift the way we show up in the world. Cause there is no more real eye.
Um, sure. Well, it's what, what would happen if everyone could start with basic needs, like place,
a place to sleep, a place at food to eat, clothes for your back and the capacity to work saying,
Hey, I'm willing to work. I've done the math and you can scale that down because if you move to
cooperative, you shift away from sales and marketing, which you don't need because you've
got a cooperative agreement for everybody taking care. And then now you're working half the time
and you're collaboratively creating beauty and art and experience and adventure that is
deeply meaningful. I asked, that's my wonder. That's when I sit in the middle of what I call
the unified field. When I walk my dog at night, I just ponder and sit in that space of unity.
And what shows up is a world where everyone, uh, can thrive because of the agreement of trust
that's created through cooperation. That's what I want to see for my children and my grandchildren.
I love it, dude.
You know, do you think D is a different world? Repeat that again. Do you think five D is a
different world? No, it's not even, I wouldn't even say it's a world. It's just an energy field.
It's just a dimension of understanding around a level of resonance of love that
allows for us to play in different dimensions. Right? So if I can, you know, it's like going,
you know, it's like the going to the store and grabbing, getting something and bringing it home
and making a really beautiful meal. Um, it's a, it's just a really amazing ingredient that allows
us to, um, transcend space and time. And it puts a different lens on this three D to when we look at
it, we're like, we're not looking at it the way that we have looked at it before.
So is that what they mean by magical moments, Sean, where it could be something relatively
simple actually, but it actually has something that's meaningful and, and, and, and it stands
out. I mean, you, you think about, um, where there's a vibe and family together, there's,
there's a time when it's just, Hey, groceries, dinner, go to bed, right? Then there's other
times where something happens in the moment. And there's this sense of joy that kind of
transcends a normal mundane mundane kind of thing, or is it something different that, and
even like I'm thinking in a negative sense, there's a guy you might remember. He is the
Buddhist monk set himself on fire to protest, you know, the war as he's on the rage against
the machine album. You guys know that guy, right? And this guy was just sitting completely
still. That guy was not in three D. I mean, that guy was someplace else, right? As his
body was being consumed and it was perfectly still, right? I don't know what you want to call
that, but, um, is that what you're saying that it can actually be, it doesn't have to be something
like, like esoteric, it can be something relatively normal, but it actually like a special
moment kind of comes in. What do you maybe flesh that out? Yeah. So like the, we, yeah, it's, it's,
it's the math. So even like the, what you said in the magical, the magical is not the logical
question. And so to your point, we oftentimes try to reference things from a logical mind,
which is why the mind is such a, it can be a dangerous thing. And so mapping, mapping your
life or mapping the things that you witness of being able to see everything as a miracle,
being able to see everything with the lens of magic and all, which is why children are just like,
so beautiful to watch. Cause you're just like watching them and they're just in this off state
about the simplest thing. It's like, yeah, it's great. But then we logically are like, well,
it's not because there's more, but there's not more because that's all that there is.
So us being able to move from the mundane, being able to truly see everything is like this magical
moment. We start going away from the linearness and trying to create straight lines. And then we
start to move in curves. And when you move in curves, you're moving around the thing that
hasn't been there. And actually that's the fastest way because you're now witnessing things from all
different perspectives. You're not just looking at one thing. You're looking at all types of
possibilities. Right. And there really are no straight lines. It's only the straight lines
are created. Even if I look at this wall that has straight lines behind it, every individual cell
on that is a circle that makes up a straight line. Right. And then that in itself appears that way,
but it's only from the construct that we created it to force it into that, but it's not meant to
be that. So it's moving from logical to magical and then seeing everything with that magical lens
and that awe and that reverence. And when you do that, that's when the simplest thing, this
conversation, like what's the most, somebody, what's the most, the most magical thing you've
ever had happen in your life? This moment right now. Right. This is the best podcast ever.
Ever. And then the next one you have will be the best one ever.
This is actually one of my funnest ones though. Sean, you're so fun to hang out with. I appreciate
it brother because you look into life very deeply and you're not afraid. I think that's
what I appreciate about you is you're adventurous with your own soul to take risks with love that
has profoundly shown up for you. And I love that about you. You're gentle, but you have a deep
strength. So I love that you have both sides of the energy. You have a masculine side and you have
a feminine side. So I appreciate your voice and what you're trying to do because what I see on
your reels, especially is just this desire to help people ascend. I don't even know if that's the
right word, but just to see the bigger picture and I hope to see more of you this year.
So, yeah, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to, we'll have to just get together and figure it out. But
I appreciate you guys. You were, as I was on this and I just like even appreciate you initially
reaching out. I'll always be a huge supporter and fan of what you guys are doing. And, you know,
whenever you need me, I'm around. I'm here to keep loving on each other. Yeah. Love it, man.
Awesome. So this has been one of our funnest episodes, at least for me. I know it probably
is for you, Rich. Sean, thank you for being with us again. And thank you to all of our listeners.
This has been a wonderful episode. We've got a lot of amazing people this week that we're
interviewing. So those will be rolled out over the next couple of days. And Sean, thank you.
This has been an awesome one. So much love, everybody. Yeah. Love you guys. Honored. Thank
you.