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Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right. But the bottom line is,

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is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.

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But yeah, let's do that. Let's get started. Welcome everybody. This is Living in the Matrix.

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I'm Jonathan and my co-host Rich. Say hello, Rich.

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Hey everybody. Looking forward to getting this one kicked off. I'm thrilled to be here.

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It's Friday, of course, but even more excited about the fact we've got a good friend of mine,

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Nate Taylor, who's going to be on with us today. And one of the reasons I love working with Nate

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is imagine if you had like a need for something in the back of your mind, you're at a nice

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restaurant and you see the wine list, you have no idea what's going on. Nate is your guy. If you

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want to talk about enterprise sales, you want to talk about expensive shotguns or living in a small

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town in Texas, or if you want to talk about what we're focusing on today, which is how do you live

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your best life, your healthiest life, so that you could give back to not only the family that you're

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surrounded with, but leave a legacy of something instead of winding up in some curled up ball with

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Alzheimer's someplace. So the bottom line is, is how do we talk about things that even though they

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could be fun about getting a good bottle of wine or how to propose to your wife in a really special

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way, let's talk about today about our health. And Nate, at the beginning of the show, you started

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asking a question upfront, and I think it's a great way to get started. So is it good enough for an

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introduction or should we just dive right in and let's get going? And maybe you can tell us a little

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bit about your journey as we go along. Hey, I'm in your home, however you want to do it.

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Well, let's dive into that topic. I think that was a great answer. Yeah, I will say one thing I do

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like to start a lot of my conversations with nowadays instead of asking how are you is I like

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to just pause for a moment and ask you both, how are y'all sleeping? I just got a grounding sheet

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and I love it. Okay, it does it freaking works. It my sleep has been dramatically different since

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I got it a week ago. And so I can't say that's, you know, I believe in the placebo, but I actually

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believe in grounding. So it's so far it's been excellent. Rich, how about you? Well, the CDC

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just published something on grounding. So I can send that to you a little bit later. So we're

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going beyond like these ideas of electrons and pseudoscience to actually seeing it really work.

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And that's why we're talking today. The other thing I think it's important to mention before

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I tell you how I'm sleeping, Nate, is I do believe what I like about your angle is the folks we've

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had on are kind of unorthodox in terms of how they actually come to the medical field. One of our

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guests said that 99% of the health journals that you read in medical school are worthless. 99% of

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what you're understanding isn't even helpful. 1% is. So I think to be fair, Nate is talking about

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things that are a little bit out there, but at the same time, I think what he's offering, what

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Keyspan offers is a real practical kind of solution. You don't have to get kind of crazy in the

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mindset, but it's something that could be helpful. And in terms of my sleep, I find that when I have

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a good workouts throughout the day and I go to bed around 9.30 or 10 and take a little magnesium,

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my sleeping is great. I'll actually look over at the water that I brought with me to the table site

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and not even see it. But when I'm having fun and I'm out there having some good drinks and stuff

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like that, and I go to bed at let's say 11.30 or later, I find that my sleep isn't good,

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especially with the alcohol in the system. Yeah. Do you guys both have trackers that you wear

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to track it? I don't. I have an iPhone. I don't wear my watch at night. Do you wear your watch

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at night? I charge mine. I wear mine at night and I wear a WUBE, which I'm not wearing.

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I charge it in the morning when I shower. How long does it take? 20 minutes. I didn't realize.

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I always thought it took like an hour. By the time I'm done shaving, showering, getting dressed,

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all that stuff, my watch is charged and I throw it back on and go. Yeah. So Nate, why don't you

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just dive in? We're going to come back to that topic, but why don't you dive in and give us a

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perspective? Because you have a company called Keyspan and you took on sort of the healthcare

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system. What, give me, unpack that a little bit in terms of there's conventional healthcare,

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but we talk to people who are outside of that vein and you're one of them. What is Keyspan doing?

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Yeah. I'm so glad you asked. Healthcare is an interesting term for the system that we live in,

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I think. And you alluded to medical school and what is useful and what is not. And first,

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before I begin any of these things, I need to preface, I am not a doctor.

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I do not have any medical background. So this has been a very steep learning curve and a long

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journey for me to get to this point. And luckily I'm surrounded by some amazing nutritionists and

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doctors and health coaches and functional medicine folks who are in this space. So a lot of what I'm

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saying is going to be parroted from what I have learned from the experts and the specialists.

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So with that public safety announcement out of the way, let's get into the healthcare system.

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I had my first kid in my late thirties, I was an older father. And when I turned 40,

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I just had one of those moments where I woke up and I said, I just, I feel old.

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I am way too young to be feeling old. And that began the journey of trying to figure out first

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off, why am I feeling this way? What is actually going on inside my body? And what can I do about

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it? And so I went to my general practitioner. That's the first step that you naturally do in

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a process like this. And quickly discovered that the entire healthcare system is designed

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to do one thing. It is designed to identify an illness or a ailment and provide a solution

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to that illness or that ailment, which is great, right? If I have COVID, I'm going to go see my

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doctor. If I break my leg, I'm going to go see my doctor. If I have a stroke, I'm going to go see

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my leg. I'm going to go see my doctor. If I have to have surgery, I'm going to go see my doctor.

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If I have cancer, I'm going to go see my doctor. But what I've learned is that roughly only around

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40 hours of eight years of medical school is spent on preventative education within the healthcare

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and medical school community. And they are designed and trained to cure. And that is paired

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with the massive pharmaceutical industry, which is then feeding them a pipeline of cures for

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whatever it is that they're diagnosing. And when I came to my doctor and asked for a solution,

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the first solution, knee jerk solution was great. Well, you have low testosterone. Let's get you on

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testosterone, right? There was never a discussion about what can I do naturally or what type of

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lifestyle choices am I making today that are hurting my testosterone, right? I found that

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later that it's clearly choices that I'm making that are causing me to have low T. It's not because

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of my age. It's not because of my place in society. It's my fault if you want to lay blame anywhere.

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And I quickly learned that by being on testosterone, it was a terrible choice. It was

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going to be something that I would be dependent on for the rest of my life. My body would then

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not be producing its own testosterone at the same rate that it would be. And I would still have never

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solved the underlying problem that caused that in the first place, which is the fast track to

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an eventual bucket of, take your pick. I have a half a dozen different chronic illnesses.

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Excuse me. So that took me down the path. I went to look at places like the Cooper Clinic that are

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$10,000 a visit. I don't have $10,000 to spend on a doctor's visit, but I reverse engineered all

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their tests. And I went back to my doctor and I said, hey, I want all these tests. I want a much

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larger blood panel. I want bone density scans. I want lung capacity scans. I want to look in my

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arteries and see how things are looking, DEXA scans, all the stuff. And she was able to do it.

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Cost me about $700 or so. Insurance was able to cover most of it. She got very creative with

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creating the reasons why I needed these tests. But that again, highlights what's wrong with the

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system. It was very hard to get my insurance company to pay for preventatives, testing and

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screening, which today blows my mind. It makes sense, right? I mean, look at all the losses and

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claims are getting out because of theft, but now we go down the path of losses due to people dying

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and getting unhealthy. It's just going to be exponential from where it is today. So it's

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absolutely vested interest of them to have preventative processes in place and encouraging

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it. So verify my stats when I say them. What do they say? 87.6% of all statistics are made up,

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but it's some absurd number in the range of like 70 to 80% of all of our healthcare costs are spent

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in the last couple of years of life, extending life of someone with a chronic illness. And

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this one I am certain of seven out of 10 Americans, 70% of them are dying from preventable

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chronic illnesses, which just blows my mind. Anyways, so I digress. Back to the journey of

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where we're going. Let me interject here real quick, Nate. Is it fair to say, because this is

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my perspective is that modern Western medicine isn't really interested in a cure, even though

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that's what they say they are. They're interested in the maintenance of the cure because if they

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cure the customer, they don't have a customer anymore. So it's easier to put you on something

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that's maintenance to the problem rather than actually curing the problem. Because most drugs

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don't really cure the problem. They mask the symptoms. Yeah, they treat the symptoms. That's

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very true. Whether that is by design, and it's some sort of conspiracy out there, I don't know.

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But I think it does seem to be the status quo, right? You get put on a medication,

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and you're going to be on that medication for a while. And I do kind of question the motives of

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the governments and the regulatory agencies when you're looking at things like psychedelics for

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mental health treatment. Because if it's a one and done, and you have rewired your brain, and you've

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solved your depression issue, where's the profit in that for the drug company or the doctor?

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I mean, let's talk about depression, right? I mean, there's a lot of evidence out there that

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says that... Well, first of all, if you're on meds, oftentimes they have to change. That's

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another sliding scale, right? It's not like one and done. But there's a lot of great studies

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that show if you meditate, if you have a community, if you exercise and eat well, spend some time in

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the sun and surrounding yourself with positive kinds of environments, that's 80% of the battle.

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And I'm not a doctor either, but I do believe we have way too many people on antidepressants

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in this country, and the fact that you can die coming off of those things without a long

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ongoing process. Hell, if you look at the movie The Fall of the House of Usher, it's a Netflix

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series, talks about maybe it's a pseudo Purdue Pharmaceuticals, but you can just see that it's

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not a healthy environment. So I guess what I'd love to figure out, Nate, is when you see the pain,

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you realize that something's broken, where do you start going down the path of things that A,

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are really reasonable and can really work versus this idea of there's a lot of pseudoscience out

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there. Like somebody says, eat more cilantro, or somebody goes, do ice baths. Now, maybe there's

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some benefits to these things, but where do you hone in, and where does key span hone in on the

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things that you know can be a good positive factor and ones that you cast aside as, hey, listen,

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those might be anecdotal, they might work for a few others, but let's just focus on reality here.

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Where do you kind of draw the line on those kinds of controversial things versus something more

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reasonable? Great question. So at key span, the way we began to think about the development of

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this was starting with the foundation of the, first off, what sort of makes up the full health

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of a person? I can test my blood biomarkers, but does that tell me everything that I need to know

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about the person? I can test my gut biome. Does that tell me everything about that person? I can

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go to a psychiatrist and talk about my mental health. Does that tell me everything about that

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person? And I realized that it doesn't. You really kind of have to look at all three of these things,

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you know, with the vagus nerve that is connecting the brain to the gut, the gut being considered

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now sort of the second brain that's out there, and then now that ties into the blood biomarkers.

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If I just look at your blood biomarkers without having a conversation with you and understanding

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your mental state and understanding who you are and what a day in the life of Rich or the day in

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the life of Jonathan looks like, I am looking at it in a very limited narrow facet, right? What if

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you're going through an incredibly stressful divorce and I see that you have really high

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inflammation in your homocysteine or your cortisol is through the roof? What if you are

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a chronic, you have a chronic sleep issues and you just aren't able to get sleep, you know,

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or you have a newborn child and you're not getting sleep for several months, you know,

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that's going to show up in the blood. But if I don't understand your life situation,

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how am I ever going to properly diagnose that and properly give you tips and ideas on how to

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make some lifestyle changes to address those underlying problems? And so that was sort of the

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foundation, that triple point, brain, mental health, gut and blood. And so when thinking

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of that, I worked with our medical team and our nutritionist, I was like, okay, if your glucose

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says this, what are ways that we can influence it using diet, exercise, lifestyle and supplements?

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Because we truly believe that food is medicine primarily, but we know that sometimes people,

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for whatever reason, aren't going to get all their nutrients from their food. So we supplement

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in the meantime. What can they do from an exercise standpoint, right? What can they do from lifestyle

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decisions, right? Are they drinking every night before they go to bed? You know, what are they

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doing that is causing all of these things? And that's where the power of the health coach comes

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in to really understand the person. So while we're using the biomarkers to test and give us a

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scientific point in which to work from, we have to have the context around that.

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And that context is then given through the relationship that is built through the health

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coach. And the health coach is there to not just explain what we're doing, explain the biomarkers,

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explain the remedies, but is to help that person make meaningful lifelong changes to their lifestyle.

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Because it's all good if I give you data. Data is not the value. It is the implementation of

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the changes that come from what that data tells you.

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Are you saying that what Keyspan does, so I understand, Keyspan draws your blood, runs tests

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and that creates the basis of the data. What's in the tests that you're doing?

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Yeah. So we do 24 biomarkers for men, 26 for women. And we're looking at everything from,

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you know, your living path.

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What do you mean by biomarker?

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Biomarkers are blood biomarkers. I'll name a few of them off. I'm not going to name the entire list.

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I'm going to name it the biomechanics.

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Biomarkers are blood biomarkers. I'll name a few of them off. I'm not going to name the entire list

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here, but you know, your lipid panels, your ASD, your ALT, HbA1c, ApoB, homocysteine, CRP,

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iron, B12, all those things. And for women, we have two extra ones in there because women are

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very unique biological animals in themselves, separate from men, where we're looking at their

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thyroid and their estradiol because the hormonal ecosystem of the woman's body is so vitally

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important to their overall health that we can't really apply the same thinking that we do to men

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as we do to women.

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What does it say? What does it mean? And then how do you apply it? So how does that cycle work

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with with Keyspan? I think you got some Cedar analogies. Is that what came up in the app?

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Cedar has started here in Texas and it's brutal. Sorry about that. All right. Repeat that question.

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Yeah. So I mean, we actually, when I remember when I actually used to study scripture, it'd be like,

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hey, what does the Bible verse say? What does it mean? And how do you apply it? Right. So you've

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got observation, interpretation, application. So you've got the biomarker. You've got the coach.

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It helps to the context. What is the next process that helps people actually start to see real

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meaningful change? And how do you get to that?

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So it's by setting small goals. Habit stacking is one of these ways we'll talk to you. We have a list

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of 40 things that we want you to change in your life. No one's going to wake up tomorrow morning

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and do 40 things differently. We recognize that. We recognize that that's a very overwhelming thing.

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And so we try to break that down into small bite-sized pieces and it's individual. And again,

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that goes back to the health coach, which is so important to the change of this. I can go tell

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you to go for it and do 40 things tomorrow, Rich. How many are you going to do? How are you going

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to know which ones are going to be easiest for you? So they'll talk to you. And depending on

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your particular lifestyle or you, Jonathan, are you guys morning people or are you evening people?

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I'm an evening person. Okay, Rich. I'm more productive in the morning.

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Great. All right. So y'all are going to have two different, very different approaches to things.

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Rich, your recommendation might be, Hey, Rich, what if we got up 30 minutes earlier and went to bed

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30 minutes earlier and use that 30 minutes to do mindful meditation or a quick workout or

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stretching, whatever it is that we might be wanting to work on. And we'll just pick one or two or three

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small changes. We'll be like, Hey, why don't you start drinking a dandelion tea in the morning

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instead of your coffee? And let's start working to cleanse your liver. Your liver is a big

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regulator of a lot of your hormone production and circulation within the body. And for me, for

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example, my testosterone, one of the clear things was reduce my alcohol, cleanse my liver,

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get better sleep, and then start doing strength training. These are four small things that I could

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start to do. And I was able to boost my testosterone 120 points in four months, naturally.

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Wow. Is that free testosterone?

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Yeah. I mean, massive change in my life. I can't tell you how good I felt.

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And it wasn't changes that were not, I wasn't being asked to go on the,

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you know, an NFL football training program here, right? These were very easy changes that I could

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adapt to my life. And so that's where the health coach really helps come in, identify

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where are the opportunities that we can do a few small changes. Let's track those for two to three

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weeks and let's talk again. How are you feeling? What worked? What didn't work? Why didn't it work?

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Oh, you weren't motivated to do it. What do you think you would be motivated to do? How could we

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change that? And really begin to work with you to make those changes. And then it becomes a snowball.

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And it goes back to that religion environment, right? When you start doing the right things

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in the church with that community, the community embraces you more.

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You feel quote unquote closer to God, whatever it might be in the physical body, you're feeling

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physically better. Your mental clarity is there. Your engagements with other people tend to improve

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because your mood is better. And then all these things start to get one step closer to where it

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then becomes the habit to stay on this healthy track. And then you start to get to the point

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where you feel like you're not going to be able to stay on this healthy track. And it actually

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feels bad to go back to those bad habits. Because you start experiencing what it feels like not

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to have them. That's right. Habit is really important because it gives you a new experience

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that your body then can reference. Yeah. It's really good that. And the beauty about it is,

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you know, it's a very important job, which is selling coaching to large organizations. And

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you have a set of assessments that you'll take to determine where that person is in terms of their

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leadership and or individual person skills and behaviors. Where are they strong and where do

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they have areas for development? And that coach spends every other week digging in and not

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actually necessarily telling them what to do, but actually encouraging them to think independently.

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So they actually own it, right? And so the beautiful thing about having the coach is it's

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the ability that helps you get inspired to do things that you might not have done on your own.

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And so I'm encouraged by that concept and the light bulbs that start to go on, that start to

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go off, right? People are like, oh my God, I can't believe how amazing I feel now or how much I'm

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getting out of this and how much better I'm interacting with colleagues, et cetera, et cetera.

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So go ahead, Jonathan. No, no, no, go ahead. Finish your thought.

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I was going to go back to the whole religion thing you just brought up because I think it's

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time to open up the can of worms. Let me just make one quick analogy about health coaching. You said

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there is not one top performer out there in this world, whether it be an athlete or a CEO

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who doesn't have a coach. Why don't you? I do have a coach.

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It's probably cost for most people. It feels like, and I do, I have a coach. It's not,

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I think the cost benefit is it's absolutely worth it, but you have to experience to realize it's

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worth. So most people never get that experience to take that over the bridge. And that's where

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we think that the power of AI can come in and really make this a really democratized access

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to this. Well, let's dive into the AI right now. Yeah.

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Right. Yeah. Let's save that for the second half. I'm definitely going to come back to it,

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but I want to finish this kind of finish this vein. Nate, when did this idea, because the idea of,

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I think that's what's missing is a doctor is not a coach. I've always thought about this because

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I worked for a medical billing company. So I dove into the medical world. It's a monster. It is about

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business a hundred percent. Yeah. A hundred percent modern medicine is about making money.

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And the problem is that puts doctors who want, who believe in the Hippocratic oath,

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but they still have a business to run. And all Western modern medicine is based on the sick

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model. How do we keep people in a sustainable sick mode? So they always come back. That's how

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business works in the medical world. And your model is like, no, we don't need that long-term

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approach. The goal is to be, get people to become self-sufficient. Where did that start?

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Well, it started when I finished getting all my, when I get all my tests that we finally did,

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I went back to my doctor and I was like, okay, I've got it all. Now what's my 360? What do I need

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to do? And the recommendations were very generic and left me very unsatisfied. So that then took

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me out. I took all my data and I went and hired a nutritionist. I went and hired a health coach. I

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went and hired a personal trainer. I went and talked to a psychiatrist and put all four of

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those things together. And based on that work and several thousand dollars later, I had a plan,

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a roadmap for myself. And when I told all my friends about this, they're like, oh, that sounds

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amazing. I want to do that. And then I showed them how much work it took. They're like, yeah, no,

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I'm good. Cool. Appreciate it. And that's where the spark began. I was like, I think there is

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definitely a place in the market for this. People want this and we just need to make it more

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accessible and we need to make it really, really easy for them to adopt it. But more importantly,

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we need to make it in such a way that empowers those people to make the changes that they need

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to make in their life. So are you familiar with Dr. Brekka and are you familiar with Dana White?

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Have you heard that story? Yeah, I've seen it on Joe Rogan's Brekka podcast last night, actually.

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Right. So I think maybe I can make an analogy here. Would it be safe to say that what Dr. Brekka

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did for Dana White, which is incredible work, right? Fasting and definitely, I think he put

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him on some testosterone, but he was on a ketogenic diet. Are you saying your trajectory is let's do

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something very similar, but for a fraction of the cost? Because God knows Dana White's got a lot

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more money than we do, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We want to do this for a fraction of the

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cost. Right now we're starting at $150 a month, but we want to be able to get that down even

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further to be able to capture a larger swath of the audience and work with employers to have them

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sponsor it for their employees. Oh yeah. I can see how this could definitely work for health related

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issues for employees because it's an investment in their improvement. Yeah. Nate, I want to ask

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you this question because I think this is what I've been thinking about in preparation for meeting

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with you is modern Western medicine doesn't take an intentional approach. It's take this pill

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and you're good to go. There's not the mental aspect. And I think that's what's powerful about

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this is the mental aspect is really the true barrier to health because all sickness is stress

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related. And when you create these stressors in your life, your body says, okay, your body's

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going to get fucked up because you keep holding on to all this shit. That's going to cause disease.

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So it's dis-ease. What role does coaching play in changing that? Because I think it's an intention.

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If I add that voice in my life that helps me develop that intention of health,

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I'm only going to be dealing with the stress at its core. What role does the coach work on

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in helping people create that inertia and energy to say, I'm actually worth taking care of? Because

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I think that's probably part of the journey, isn't it? It's a hundred percent part of the journey.

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Yeah. I'm really glad you brought up the mental health and the mental state side of things. And

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honestly, I think we're just scratching the surface in terms of how much our mental state impacts

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our immune systems. And yes, you are 100% right that a lot of our diseases are caused by that.

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I would go one step further and say, most of our diseases are caused by inflammation of some type

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before. Stress creates the inflammation. Absolutely. It's a trigger for that. And

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you see it as well in a very unscientific way. If you just look at your group of friends,

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you've got the Tiggers and you've got the Eeyores, right? Who gets sick more?

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Eeyores.

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Eeyores are always sick.

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No, Tigger's never sick. And even if Tigger is sick, Tigger's pissed off that he's sick

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and is still out trying to get stuff done. He's like, he's blind.

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He's like, he's not going to get sick. He's like, he's not going to get sick.

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He's still out trying to get stuff done. He's like, he's blind. I'm so annoyed that I'm sick.

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I got to get over this. Okay. Right. So just validating what you were saying in that sense,

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Jonathan, I think there is a lot to be said about the mental game. And that's where we think

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the health coaching is that critical link. You can go get your data about what's going on in your

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body in a thousand different places, but what do you do with that data? And how do you incorporate

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the changes you need to make in your life in order to make the changes in the data?

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And the health coach is really your partner to do that. They are trained to be empathetic,

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yet encouraging. They're not judgmental. And that's one of the big barriers for a lot of people.

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They feel guilty or they're embarrassed because they didn't follow instructions.

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And so they're like, oh, I'm going to avoid my next meeting. I have people that I know who are

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like, I'm not going to go see my doctor because I don't want to find out what's going on. They're

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just truly afraid. That just blows my mind. I'm like, how can you live like that? Just to my

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standpoint, I don't understand that completely at all. I understand that there would be fear.

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Sure. And I can empathize with the fear, but then using that fear as an excuse to really not ever

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know. I really hope that anyone listening to this that is scared, I just encourage you to please

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go find out just for your own sanity. I'm going to ask you one of your questions.

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Your primer was amazing in terms of giving us lead-ins. What role does spirituality play in

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this whole part? Because how do you view that intersection of spirituality and physical health?

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Because I think it's huge. I think it's everything. But how do you see it?

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Well, I think there've been a lot of studies that have shown that religious and spiritual people

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are generally healthier and live longer. And it goes back to a lot of the key things that has

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been broken down everywhere from the Blue Zone books to Eastern medicine and traditional medicine

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is that having spirituality provides several important mental things. One, it provides purpose.

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Tell us. Two, it provides community and support. Three, it provides safety,

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and an overall reduction of anxiety. And I would say the last one would be the ability to deal with

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grief and pain and suffering that is inevitable in life, with loss and with tragedy and whatever

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else might be out there. Those people who are self-ascribed spiritual folks or follow a

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particular religion, they tend to be able to manage and handle that better than those who don't,

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according to some of the studies I've seen. And again, not an expert on this, but I think

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that link is very real and it doesn't have to come in the form of a church. There are a lot of ways

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where you can get that spiritual fulfillment. And you're seeing that more and more with the

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younger generations as they're moving away from the organized traditional religious

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in the Western world. They're moving towards health and wellness, honestly, as their religion.

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That is the ethos, because it offers dogma, it offers ritual, and it offers community.

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A lot of the same things that power the church and the philosophies behind the church.

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No, we had a guest on who went from Mormonism to atheism. And she's in the process today of

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helping people, what we call in the postmodern Christian world, deconstruction. So you have

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these beliefs, this set of narratives, meta-narratives, if you would, and they come

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crashing down because of new things that are introduced. And so for a lot of the church,

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and something you can maybe dive into this now, but if you think about the evangelical church,

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which we've been a part of for a long time, the idea of evolution, right? If evolution is real,

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does that mean Adam and Eve are not real? What do you do with sin, hell? We've had conversations

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about hell on this. So for some people, coming out of these things is actually really, it's

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devastating. If you have this belief in a place that you can go, that's going to give you all

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happiness because you said the right things and did the right things, and that's now

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undergirding story behind that is going away, it's traumatic. I mean, people go through,

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it's like a big loss, right? And so how would you address helping people that go through it?

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Because some people were raised in secular homes, right? And this same gal actually calls

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herself spiritually secular, right? She calls it, can you call that laugh? I said, absolutely.

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If I'm investing in breath work and mindfulness meditation, and I'm tapping into that universal,

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that unified field, and I'm tapping into my heart, you know, that if it's all part of

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consciousness, we're all on board there. But how would you be able to help a person make that

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transition if that was part of what their journey looks like, right? As they're deconstructing,

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would this particular process help them, Nate, in a way?

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I'd never really thought of that. That's an interesting angle. And I would say, you know,

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we didn't go into this business to address specifically that scenario. But I can't see why

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it wouldn't be of some assistance. Understanding what's happening inside your body, and

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understanding how you can live a better life, replaces some of the dogma that was provided

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by the church, right? Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not send. You have other religions

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that are like, you know, do not eat pork or other things. And those were done because

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back in the day, right, pork often had a lot of bacteria and diseases that were associated

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with it. And this was helping them stay safe and stay clean and live a fulfilling life

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and giving them purpose. So I'd say not directly, but I think indirectly, sure, without a doubt,

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being able to have a companion there who understands you, understands your health,

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and understands the difficulties and challenges you face in implementing these changes, but

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giving you that support system, just like the community of the church is, where they

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might be like, hey, maybe you should stop drinking. Let's help you do that as a community.

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Health and wellness and key span in particular in our community is called the key club. You

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have the opportunity to tap into a network of folks who are going to give you a similar

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support structure that you might find in an organized religion.

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Yeah, it's like a subreddit, but better.

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Yeah, before we jump to your idea, because I want to go there. What's the big picture

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vision for key span?

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The big picture vision is to make chronic illnesses, preventable chronic illness is

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a thing of the past. It's really sad that we're spending so much of our money on illness

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and disease that is completely preventable just through diet and exercise. It's not a

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magic pill. It's not something that's going to be a big issue. It's not something that's

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not some wackadoodle science that's out there. It's eating whole foods, not too much of it

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and getting out and moving and being social and surrounded by people you love.

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You're saying something really profound there that a lot of people need to realize is

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if you just switch your diet to non-processed, non-sugar based foods, you're going to solve

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90% of your physical problems. Rich and I are going to do the carnivore diet in January,

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and we're going to do a podcast episode. Then we had a fruitarian on Dr. Morris in September,

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and he's all the way on the other side, no meats. Here's the reality of what Dr. Huberman

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always says is what's the one thing they all have in common is they all reduced and removed

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processed foods and sugars. You're adding a component of adding the coaching, which is the

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mental health part because here's the reality is it does come down to I need mental health help

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to emotionally deal with the process of changing my diet and my lifestyle. The habit stacking takes

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time and you need someone to push you into that process. Yeah, you really do. Our society has

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been built on an industrialized food system. On one end, done an amazing job of being able to feed

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billions of people, but on the other end has created a massive amount of sugar-laden

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and salt-laden processed foods that have very long shelf life, which allows the transportation

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from farm to grocery shelves. It's hard to navigate in this world that carrot stick and that salad over

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Doritos. Well, Doritos taste good, man. They do. They do. But the idea also is small iterative

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steps. The idea of coaching is you're going to make these small little steps at a time. The

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reasons why we've seen the data on this, the reason why these diets of just immediately doing

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something so dramatic, they fail because it just seems so insurmountable. If you work on the small

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steps, and I think of course, Jonathan, not just good food, but supplements and the foods that

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don't have all the things that are there to kickstart things, having the community and the app

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and then that coach all combined. Going back to Dr. Morse, Jonathan, this is going to be an

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interesting conversation we're going to have at the end of January after we're done with the

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Convo-Ret. Dr. Morse believes that when you eat healthy fruits, mostly berries and melons and a

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couple of things like vegetables, your body is more spiritual. When you're eating meats, and

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everybody knows when you nail back a 22 ounce, even if it's grass fed, prime rib eye, that's

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going to set you back. You're not going to be so lively. You're not going to be like Tigger after

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Wolf and that meal down. It's going to be interesting, Jonathan, to see if we feel like when

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we try to be more meditative or in that field, is it going to affect us in that way? Because Dr.

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Morse is probably going to be... He's going to want to tune in because it's the antithesis of

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what his diet is. Right? Well, I think the thing that I appreciate about Dr. Morse is he has a good

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science behind it. His idea is that the lymphatic system is imbued by the fruits. Of course. I

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bought the idea. I think it's a powerful idea. Here's what I'm wrestling with is you have two

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polar opposites of carnivore and fruitarian. That's where I begin to believe your body responds more

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to your intention than it does to the food. When I eat carnivore with the intention of restoring

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my body and I'm fasting, I changed my diet last year in January from probably 3,500 calories a

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day. I was eating four times a day, massive meals down to one and a half. My lunch was my shake.

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My body responded completely different. I lost 30 pounds because I wasn't overloading it.

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I think it's what we put in is important, but the intention we have about it, because I was very

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intentional about I'm trying to create health in my body. That's where I really wonder is,

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if you have these two polar opposites, what role does intention... I think intention actually plays

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more part than the actual food we eat. I think you're right. The alignment of heart and mind,

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Jonathan, and a lot of- When you tell your body, this is good for me and I'm loving myself,

426
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myself, you're speaking directly to your body at a mental health state level.

427
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Now you're organizing this as much as you are this, and you're saying,

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okay, I'm going to take care of myself. That's a powerful statement to the body.

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I think that's the value of why I see in Keyspan or the coaching aspect. You're starting with

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really important panels to say, listen, start with your blood work. Where are you at? You have a

431
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clear measurement factor, but then you have it coupled with coaching that helps you improve

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these dramatically. You probably start even ticking off diseases as you start. I can see the path

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where people can approach this process and very clearly, if they stick with it, see the value,

434
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which is it's that upward spiral effect. You're seeing it and then believing, and you're seeing

435
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it more and then you're believing it more. Then the coach just is lightly pushing you forward.

436
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Absolutely. All right, here we go. It's time for the big one. We did talk about having controversial

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guests, people doing outside of the status quo, but we also tuned into the fact that Keyspan is

438
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actually pretty conventional process, very pragmatic. The kinds of things that are happening

439
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are in the mainstream and you can count on them instead of something blowing up.

440
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At the beginning of the podcast, Nate, you were talking about a bold idea that may or may not have

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relevance and significance. Why don't you open that question up to our audience and to us and

442
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,720
let's dive in. Yes, this is just a thought experiment I've been thinking about for the

443
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:49,200
last few weeks. This has not been fully thought out, so we're going to just spill it all the

444
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beans out here on the table here and we'll chase all the squirrels and see where they take us.

445
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The idea is that with the decline of organized religions and the younger generations and even

446
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the older generations just shifting away from organized churches and religions, not necessarily

447
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:18,480
becoming atheists so much as maybe just agnostic. What is filling that hole? Is there a potential

448
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case to say that health and wellness and the optimization of your own personal, physical,

449
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and mental being is a replacement for that? I throw that out there to ask you guys to bring up some

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comparisons. Talk to me about some of the dogma and the rituals in the church and let's see if we

451
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can find those analogies on the health and wellness side. Well, obviously, in a traditional Christian

452
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framework, you're raised up into the church, you do what's called an altar call where it says,

453
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yeah, I'm giving my life to the Lord. You go through a set of learnings where you start off

454
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with probably general older Bible stories and then you got to learn and grow more and more. As you

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get to that age of accountability, that's when the bad news starts kicking in. That is that a lot of

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the people in this planet, in fact, the majority of them, unfortunately, because they haven't

457
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heard a particular viewpoint of Jesus or of Muhammad or somebody, end up at the end of their

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lives gnashing their teeth and burning in hell for eternity. We've fleshed that out on this

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particular program because we actually lean towards a more of a reconciliation God who actually does

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allow people to go through a lot of pain and suffering through an eon or more, but then

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ultimately God's love will redeem them. That's called universalism, Nate. We fleshed that out a

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lot. In terms of the dogma, let's just talk about maybe something like original sin, which is a very

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common Christian theme. When Adam partook of the fruit with Eve, they supposedly had the knowledge

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now of what's good and what's not and God cast them out of there and that's called original sin.

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And so that sin has been passed down to all of us. So as we wake up out of the womb, fresh and ready

466
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to go, you were conceived in sin, as Augustine said, and you were born into sin, right? So

467
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what do you think could be an analogy or a way to break out of the original sin dogma?

468
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Sure. Let's talk about generational epigenetic stresses that are passed down from generation to

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generation. You have prior generations who experienced serious trauma, whatever it might be,

470
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and that led to serious health outcomes. They have children, those same children are going to suffer

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from the same ailments and the same outcomes. And how do you break that cycle? Well, you break that

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cycle by changing your mindset and changing your lifestyle and your choices and what you do.

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And it's sort of the same sort of process that a religion would do. We're going to save you from

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your sin. The body is going to heal itself from its past historical inflations.

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Yeah, you've got that in the DNA, you're trying to pull that out of the sequence from a future

476
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generation. I think it's a brilliant answer. Yeah.

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I want to validate what you said in the beginning is that you're trying to break out of the

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stereotypes of your family. So what I want to understand is the nuns are the fastest growing

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group over the last two decades. So the nuns have gone from my kids don't go to church at all.

480
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Rich and I don't go to church anymore at all. So the nuns have grown dramatically,

481
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largely a thousand reasons, but the reality is that it reached its efficacy of what we grew up in.

482
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The church became a place to create community.

483
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Yes, that always happened.

484
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Like I grew up in a world that was one of the first mega churches in California.

485
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And we were seventy five hundred people in 1975.

486
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So we did this explosion thing.

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There's a tremendous amount of love, but there's also the culture of this

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is how you step into the bubble of safety of community.

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But it also included a narrative of you had to be good.

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OK, now that you are good, but you had to do good and be good

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in order to be part of that community.

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And I think that's what a lot of people pushed back on.

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When the homosexual community started, you know, getting larger in the 70s and 80s,

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they had to really wrestle with that.

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And they lost the church, lost the war against the LGBT community

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because it didn't respond with love.

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And I think our children are now saying, well, if it can't affect

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the least of these, the outcasts, then what's the point?

499
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And I think what's happening is now is they're all shifting over.

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I saw a meme that I shared with Rich yesterday,

501
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like 20 percent are all shifting onto social media as coaches.

502
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They're doing the same thing.

503
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They're now saying instead of the church, let's just do it through social media

504
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and let's develop all these like I and my algorithm is filled with these people.

505
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And they have a very serious intent of trying to create health,

506
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but it doesn't include God.

507
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So I agree with your premise that the world is shifting in a very dramatic way.

508
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They want something that fills that void because if you remove the church,

509
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the void doesn't go away.

510
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,120
The problem doesn't go away.

511
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You've still got to address it.

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So I agree with your basic premise.

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What are your what would be your suggestions then?

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I mean, obviously, I've got in my mind's eye what that substitute is.

515
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You know, and for me, you know, I do transcendental meditation, right?

516
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That's, you know, in past evangelical lives, that was considered a no, no.

517
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Right. Because you've got this mantra from the Maharashi.

518
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,360
Right. And that's the group that the Beatles, you know, hung out with.

519
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,400
Right. But I find it's been very helpful.

520
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In fact, I've had one of my most successful years in my career this year.

521
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It's been a really great year in a very challenging economic environment.

522
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Nate, as we know.

523
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Right.

524
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Lots of friends, good friends who are just absolute studs and just wonderful people.

525
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,440
And they're they're having a hard time either hitting their number or even, you know,

526
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you know, just finding a job.

527
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Right. So I guess what I'm asking is we know that people who and by the way,

528
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this guest of ours that went from Mormonism to nihilism is a more healthy

529
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atheistic framework. She says a lot of people are going to the occult now.

530
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So if you look where they're where this Gen Y Gen Z are going, they're going to

531
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either like causes. Right.

532
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And you can see a lot of people out there in the streets.

533
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They need to have that purpose. Right.

534
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Like, where do I send my energy and how do I help out marginalized people?

535
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,240
So there's causes. Right.

536
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,440
But then a lot of people are going to the occult.

537
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I guess there's Tiktok where they can read your tarot cards online.

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And she said that was a huge thing.

539
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,720
So where would you steer people as you see this kind of movement away?

540
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And where would you is key spend going to create a sense of

541
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content or community that can help fill that gap?

542
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,560
And what do you suggest is a good substitute?

543
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,000
I don't think I'm qualified to answer what a substitute is for God and your

544
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belief in that. I don't think I want to touch that one.

545
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,960
I think that's a very personal thing for each individual.

546
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,160
There is no one answer for anyone.

547
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:54,600
My only answer would be, you know, that look inside yourself

548
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,680
and look for your answer that that means something to you.

549
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And that's for you.

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00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,040
I don't have any intentions or plans for key span to replace.

551
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Preplace the the role of a god or that in their lives.

552
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,640
I think my.

553
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Reference to health and wellness as it relates to religion is in the

554
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the actual practice of that religion in the creation of those communities

555
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,080
have a lot of similarities to them.

556
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So, yeah, I don't think I can answer that that deep question.

557
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,800
That's that that that would be for a theologian, I believe.

558
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,840
Well, I think it's a good lead with this.

559
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I think it's a good lead with this.

560
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,920
I think Aristotle did say something that was very thought provoking,

561
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and that was if there were no God, it would be necessary to invent him.

562
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,800
Well, he believed in God. He believed in an uncaused cause, right?

563
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,160
So he believed in a prime mover, if you would.

564
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,160
Right. So, yeah.

565
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Like, I don't know if that's the human condition that creates it

566
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or if that is what created the human condition.

567
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,040
What you know, what came first?

568
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,240
What made you think of the question?

569
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:10,360
Which one? Which question? The one you were asking about the shift.

570
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,840
What made you think religion?

571
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Yeah, as organized religion is getting, I mean, the mainline denominations

572
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,400
are drying up. You mentioned that, right?

573
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,200
I mean, and people, this young group of folks are moving away from the church

574
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,160
and massive drugs, even LDS, right?

575
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,640
Because they're seeing very similar things.

576
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,800
And that's a very strong and that you've got excommunication,

577
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,640
you know, in the LDS community when you leave.

578
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,720
So that's such a big traumatic experience.

579
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,520
And I think that's a very strong point.

580
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,440
And you know, you're in the LDS community when you leave.

581
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,200
So that's such a big traumatic thing.

582
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:44,760
So I guess Jonathan was trying to figure out, you know, where, you know,

583
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,760
where did it come from?

584
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,760
Yeah, where did it come from?

585
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,160
It came from some articles I started reading recently that were talking

586
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:00,480
about just that, about how health and fitness was and wellness was replacing

587
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:06,960
the work for that generation and for the groups that are finding their

588
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,960
spirituality outside of the church.

589
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:09,960
Yeah.

590
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,040
And I just started going down that rabbit hole and thinking more and more

591
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,720
about it and thinking about the analogies of it, why it works,

592
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:21,480
why that is a place that they're going and what could be the benefits to them

593
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,480
and to society for that if that is a trend.

594
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,480
Yeah.

595
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,480
So we got time for a couple more questions.

596
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,800
Rich, I'll ask one and you can ask one as well, but I'll start because this

597
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one really captured my attention is if you had the power to make one change

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in the global health care industry, what would it be?

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It would be centered on one word, prevention.

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Why is that your choice?

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Because of the macroeconomic side of it, the trillions of dollars that we would

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save by preventing illnesses rather than treating them, number one.

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The human condition itself, avoiding a chronic illness will just lead you to

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have a more fulfilling and happier life than having to deal with a chronic illness.

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I don't know if either of you have ever had a family member or a loved one that

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has suffered or is suffering from chronic illnesses.

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It's not a great experience.

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It's not a great experience for the person going through it.

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It's not a great experience for the ones that, their loved ones that are around them.

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And ultimately, it comes down to healthspan and lifespan.

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You're going to hear in the longevity space that a lot of people are obsessed

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with extending their lifespan, but that's really, to me, that's not where we

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should be focusing.

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The focus should be healthspan.

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I don't want to live to 120 if I'm in a wheelchair.

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What do you mean by healthspan?

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So our audience understands.

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Healthspan is the length of time at which you are feeling generally healthy,

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where you can do everything that you want.

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Your movement is there.

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Your mental capacity is there.

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Your physical capabilities are there.

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You can pick up your children or your grandchildren, and you can walk up and

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down stairs.

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You can carry your own groceries to the car.

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Having a healthy span of life is much more important than living longer.

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Now, inevitably, barring some accident, if you have a long healthspan, it will

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extend your lifespan.

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And I think that that really needs to be the focus, prevention and healthspan

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over curing and lifespan.

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So your argument is if you focus on healthspan, you get the lifespan most likely.

632
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Yeah.

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100%.

634
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Well, you get the lifespan that you want.

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I mean, nobody wants to get 10 years of chronic illness.

636
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It's not fun.

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All right.

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So I'm going to wrap up with something you brought up earlier, and it's fascinating

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to us.

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And we've talked about it on the episode several times, but it dealt with psychedelics,

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specifically with like, I mean, they're talking about MDMA and psilocybin.

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And one of the things that we've seen come out of Johns Hopkins, and this goes back to

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the whole atheist thing and the old spirituality thing, is that people who were on

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stage four terminal cancer, obviously not very good health, not very good life, were

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very fearful of death, as any of us would be.

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When they took these HEROES doses, what they found was an amazing experience of being

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one with a cosmic force that was full of love.

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And our guest on the show said, Christians don't get excited.

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They didn't become theists.

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But what they did acknowledge was there is something greater than themselves that's

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out there, and they had a visceral experience.

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So asking you, what do you feel the role of psychedelics is going to play in the next

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three to five years in terms of legislation, in terms of health, in terms of overall

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well-being?

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I think there's a lot of promise there.

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Again, I'm not a doctor.

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So these are just my opinions.

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But I think there's a lot of promise there.

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The initial studies that are being done now on humans, the controlled studies that are

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happening, the results are truly miraculous.

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And I do think that there is something there that could help society and help the collective

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consciousness of humanity if we are able to better understand the impact of psychedelics

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on our mental health and in our health systems and in our society and the role it plays.

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So I just hope that there is more money put into the research.

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I hope that there is more education that is given to the general population and importantly

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to the politicians who are making the decisions on the regulations.

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And I just hope that there's a positive outcome that comes from this initial interest in its

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potential.

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I think there is something there.

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So I'm excited about it.

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I hope it's fruition.

672
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Nate, where do people find Keyspan?

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How do they find you?

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Getkeyspan.com www.getkeyspan.com

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And that's the key to your healthspan, keyspan.com.

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And you guys think we created a code for all your listeners?

677
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What is that code?

678
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Well, why don't you guys just use the code Nate100 for going to getkeyspan.com.

679
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Use the code Nate100.

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Very good.

681
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Yeah.

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Nate, it was a pleasure having you on.

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I wish you the best because I think what you're doing is surprisingly simple and holistic.

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You're taking the base panels.

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You're bringing in the coaching.

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And I actually love what you're doing.

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And I want to encourage our listeners to consider these kind of ideas if you're really needing,

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especially with chronic illness, because I love the idea.

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You want to be preventative and all of these things are preventative.

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So well done in what you're doing.

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Thank you for building this kind of organization.

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01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,040
We appreciate that.

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Thanks, Jonathan.

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Thanks, Rich.

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We're excited.

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It's a good purpose driven mission that every person that we can make healthier and live a better life.

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01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,040
It's a win all around.

698
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,040
Absolutely.

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It's top of mind.

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I've been thrilled to see you again.

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Looking forward to getting out to Austin in the not too distant future.

702
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,040
But thanks for this great overview of Keyspan.

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01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,040
I'm thrilled about partaking as soon as I get I have to fast for a little bit.

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Get some of these supplements out of my system and then I'm going to get lined up with my coach.

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So I'm looking forward to the journey.

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So yeah, I can't wait to have you.

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Awesome.

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Thank you, guys.

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All right.

710
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,040
Thanks for listening.

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This has been Living in the Matrix podcast.

712
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,040
Please review and comment.

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,040
We'd love to hear from you.

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:12,040
If you have a guest you want to suggest, please do so at our website, livinginthematrix.ai.

715
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,040
Thanks to Nate for joining us.

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Any last words, Rich?

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,040
Say goodbye.

718
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Happy Friday and happy holidays and healthy holidays for everybody.

719
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,040
Absolutely.

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All right.

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Much love, everybody.

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Have a wonderful weekend.