1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,440 And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,880 But the bottom line is, is together we try to look for the balance of what it 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,600 means to be human in today's world. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,760 Yeah, let's get started and welcome everybody to this Living in the Matrix. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,960 I'm Jonathan. This is Rich. Say hello, Rich. 7 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,520 Everybody looking forward to part two with Cleburne. 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,200 Yeah, today we have Cleburne Walker. Welcome Cleburne. 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,840 It is wonderful to have you back. 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Appreciate you guys for having me. 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,920 It was really fun getting to chop it up last time. 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,640 Yeah. So believe it or not, this episode kind of went wildfire. 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,160 People responded a lot. 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,240 Our stats went up way a lot. 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,560 And I'm excited to dive into part two. 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,400 We realized we had a ton of topics we didn't really get to cover. 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,200 And the three are shadow work, Jesus in the wilderness. 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,960 And what was the third one, guys? 19 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,080 The CIA. Oh, yeah. 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Jesus in the wilderness, the Magi, right? 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,240 Yes. Yeah. And the CIA and the CIA. 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,120 Yeah, we got to talk about these subjects. 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,200 And so if you're wondering what we're going to talk about today, 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,880 this is part two with Cleburne and we're going to dive into some really cool stuff. 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,000 But. So. 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,680 To start, Cleburne, we as we were talking about before the show, 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,240 we missed shadow work, and that was something we really wanted to talk about. 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,120 And so why don't we start with the idea of what do you mean by shadow work? 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,640 When you say those words. 30 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,920 All right. So shadow work, 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,840 especially for the people who feel like that is teetering towards demonic territory. 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,080 Absolutely. Listen to this. 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,520 This is the most important part you're probably going to take away. 34 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,760 So shadow work are those parts of ourselves that we do not look at. 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,240 It's the parts of ourselves that we either ignore or judge or avoid. 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,880 And anything that is ignored within us gets projected outwardly. 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:07,720 So inside of each of us is the capacity for as much as anyone else has the capacity for. 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,520 This can be pretty well evidenced after we've lived through the past few years, 39 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,160 after we lived through the onset of the COVID era, 40 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,920 it became pretty quick to realize how much of a shadow work we have. 41 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:24,080 It became pretty quick to realize how if we were alive at a different time and place, 42 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:32,000 how easily we could be split up on either side of a topic and be pretty well radicalized. 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,560 Right. So that is the outward projection of the individual's unmet shadows. 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,640 So to get into shadow work, that is walking into the places of yourself 45 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:44,000 that you used to not want to look at. 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,520 Who would I be if? How bad could I be if? 47 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,600 How ashamed am I really of these things I have done wrong or deep down know that I could be 48 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,560 potentially capable of if I was in that circumstance? 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,520 If it was me doing that thing that that person did that I'm judging deep down, 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,200 would I really have done any better or different? Maybe not. 51 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,440 So spending time in that energy and looking at it and watching it lose its power, 52 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,160 now you have less fear of it. 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,440 And then eventually what happens is when you start to explore those energies within yourself 54 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,280 and they become illuminated, you can start to realize that the shadows are the places 55 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,960 where you haven't put your conscious attention because where your attention goes, 56 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,040 you can see clearly and things become illuminated. 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:33,280 You begin to realize you are the light where your attention goes with a accepting, 58 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,920 non fearful, loving energy. 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,160 That is the Christ within each of us. 60 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,920 That is your light. 61 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:48,000 And that must be a solo internal practice first going inside and reconciling all of your capacity 62 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,360 for good or bad. 63 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:55,160 And as you do that, as you start to accept the parts of yourself that you wouldn't have 64 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:01,480 looked at before or would otherwise be ashamed of and love it enough to say, man, all right, 65 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,760 so I'm aware that under certain circumstances, this aspect of my potential might come out 66 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,960 and it's not good. 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:13,640 So for the people outside of me who for whatever circumstances they were in did bring that 68 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:22,520 out of them, you can extend love, not permission necessarily, not saying, hey, it's all good. 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,520 It's not all good. 70 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:29,240 But you can understand and love them without judgment, the difference between discernment 71 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,240 and judgment. 72 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,960 And this is where you get into where people think it's demonic. 73 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,800 And as sort of we chatted about last time, demons are just an energy. 74 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,720 They're just a function of nature, right? 75 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,720 They're no different than a gust of wind. 76 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,080 They're just an energy body that latches onto people that cannot remain in the presence 77 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,160 of love. 78 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,520 They feed on fear and shame and all that opposite end of the spectrum. 79 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,740 They cannot remain in the presence of love. 80 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:58,040 So as you go into your shadows and put your conscious awareness on it, now you see that 81 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,240 area that seemed dark only because you weren't looking at it. 82 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,880 But where you put your eyes within yourself, the light goes because your consciousness 83 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,640 is the light that is the Christ within you. 84 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,720 And as you illuminate those parts of yourself that were previously dark, that is integrating 85 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,700 your shadow and filling out your body more with light. 86 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:21,280 So you're not just partially lit up. 87 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:28,840 You are a become a whole lit up being as you begin to integrate more love into your personal 88 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:30,800 embodiment, personal experience. 89 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:36,600 And you can let it flow outwardly in that way. 90 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,840 So would you agree with the idea that your shadow is simply the energy you're avoiding? 91 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:46,540 Because essentially anything behind the source is in shadow. 92 00:05:46,540 --> 00:05:49,180 And if all the energy, because here's the reality. 93 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:57,780 When I do something that disrupts my life, that's an experience that creates some kind 94 00:05:57,780 --> 00:06:02,160 of conscious chemical reaction in my body that I want to avoid. 95 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,280 You can feel it almost right. 96 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:04,280 It's visceral. 97 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:07,080 Wouldn't you say, John, at the base level, it's simply fear. 98 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Okay, because fear produces a chemical charge in your body. 99 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,240 And what we want to do, I was thinking about this last night, we want to take that experience 100 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,480 and we want to say, okay, I don't want to feel that chemical charge again. 101 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,040 But so what we do is we take it out and we put it on the shelf. 102 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,120 And then we leave it there and life somehow stumbles to it because it needs to get out. 103 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,120 That's a limiting factor now in our life. 104 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,280 It's where we're not willing to go. 105 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:37,820 It never stops trying to have the conversation with you. 106 00:06:37,820 --> 00:06:42,760 It always shows up as if you're committed to ignoring it within yourself, you're going 107 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,280 to see it in your external world a lot more. 108 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:47,280 Right. 109 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,920 Until eventually you can't run any further. 110 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:55,160 Fatigue catches up with you or satisfaction finds you and you sit still long enough that 111 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,240 that conversation shows up again because it always does. 112 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,860 And eventually, yeah, as you begin to face it within yourself and kind of peel back those 113 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:12,680 protective layers that the ego creates around those things and just let go of fear enough 114 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:18,440 to settle into it and realize there's nothing to be afraid of because that potential, that 115 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,520 capacity that you knew is there that you were worried might come out and make you be somebody 116 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,020 you don't want to be. 117 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:29,400 As you let go of your fear and step into those energies, you realize those energies are not 118 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,400 you. 119 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,960 You won't become worse. 120 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:38,140 You actually step more into your ability, your capacity to love, to be loved by giving 121 00:07:38,140 --> 00:07:42,400 those energies a little bit of love and attention and not running from them, not treating them 122 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:48,840 like they are something to be rejected and ignored and neglected or casting shame out 123 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,840 on them in advance. 124 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:51,840 Right. 125 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Well, I think that's the work is or so what I've studied redemption a lot, like what happens 126 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,740 in that moment when you convert and alchemize the negative energy, you convert it into something 127 00:08:04,740 --> 00:08:07,100 that becomes a lesson or value. 128 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:15,680 And I think that's the moment when we realize we can emotionally handle the experience because 129 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,680 we never remove the experience from our life. 130 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,040 So what changes? 131 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:26,280 It's the conversion of the energy of it to say, oh, I can emotionally handle this experience. 132 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Yeah. 133 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,920 Can I add to that? 134 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,140 Because I'm thinking specifically of Star Wars, for instance, and Luke, right? 135 00:08:33,140 --> 00:08:38,520 So he's about to face the emperor and what he has, he's obviously gone down his journey 136 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:39,520 as well, right? 137 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:45,240 He on Dagobah, he goes down into the pit and he sees that Vader who he attacks, right? 138 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,420 So he's going through these dark demons, if you would, of his own life. 139 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:53,000 Now he's there on the return of the Jedi, right? 140 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,420 And he has the ability to relax and tap into the good side of the source or he can draw 141 00:08:58,420 --> 00:09:00,920 that lightsaber and strike the emperor down. 142 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,640 And then of course we see the battle ensue and going back and forth, you can see what 143 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,840 he actually does as he taps into that dark side as he attacks his father, as he attacks 144 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Darth Vader again and again and again. 145 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,640 And then I think somehow it comes back again and that's when the emperor gets pissed because 146 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,400 he didn't hold back. 147 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,120 So what I'm trying to understand here is, is it a dualistic thing, Cleburne, where you're 148 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,600 always having this in the background and it's something that's part of your nature and you're 149 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,800 keeping it in balance and you're giving light to it and you're affirming it, but you're keeping 150 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,800 it at bay? 151 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Or is it something that it would be good to get rid of completely? 152 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,360 Again, we talked jokingly about what Nietzsche said and he goes, beware of the demons you 153 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,360 exercise. 154 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,680 They might be the best part of you. 155 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:43,680 Right? 156 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,380 And Young is the man behind the shadow work. 157 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:51,940 So help me flush out which of these doors we go, we open up. 158 00:09:51,940 --> 00:09:53,920 That analogy is actually so cool. 159 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:54,920 The Luke Skywalker. 160 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:55,920 Yeah. 161 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,160 So as he went, which is symbolic, this shows up in a lot of movies actually, like now that 162 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:06,680 I look back, but yeah, that little journey he went on into his own shadow realm, into 163 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,560 exploring his deepest fear. 164 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,440 His deepest fear is knowing that he might become just like his father. 165 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,420 He might become the bad guy, right? 166 00:10:15,420 --> 00:10:16,420 Because that's part of it. 167 00:10:16,420 --> 00:10:19,860 He comes from his father and that he doesn't want to be that. 168 00:10:19,860 --> 00:10:22,800 Now how does he prevent becoming that? 169 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,120 He doesn't kill his father. 170 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,260 He loves him enough to say, I'm not going to, not only am I not going to be like you, 171 00:10:29,260 --> 00:10:31,920 but I'm not going to end you and then not be like you. 172 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:32,920 Right? 173 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:33,920 Like he's like, it just stops here. 174 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:34,960 It stops here. 175 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:41,000 And he loved his dad enough to not proceed any further in that energy. 176 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,920 There is no more fighting between me and you father. 177 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,240 I just love you. 178 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,240 And that's it. 179 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,240 That is where it stops. 180 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,080 And then what did that do to his father? 181 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,800 It gave him the permission to let go of the guilt and shame he'd been carrying. 182 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,360 And that is 100% the nature of shadow work. 183 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,320 As you look inside yourself, the things you look at that you used to be afraid you might 184 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:08,200 become once you let go of the fear of those possibilities and just simply show them actual 185 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,020 love, not like, not like a dismissive attempt to say, I'm going to send you love, but like 186 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:16,880 you actually embrace the fact that like you can't hurt me. 187 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,080 I'm aware that that was a potential, but here's where it stops. 188 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,840 We're just going to have love here. 189 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,980 And then that energy begins to change. 190 00:11:23,980 --> 00:11:29,360 And once you do that enough in yourself, you can then do that in the world, in the collective 191 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,120 to other individuals you interact with. 192 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,800 You can actually see what it is. 193 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:41,120 You can actually see the demon, the energy, the unspoken thing deep down within them. 194 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:47,960 And whether directly or indirectly, you can touch that energy with your energy and it 195 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,960 goes away. 196 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:56,880 Well, I think that's the hard part about doing shadow work is you're coming to terms with 197 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,440 there's both the yin and the yang inside of you, the dark and the light. 198 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,280 And it's not removing the dark. 199 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,760 It's coming to terms with it. 200 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:06,760 It's integrating. 201 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Yes. 202 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:13,100 So, and I want to, since we like to, you know, we all kind of come from a, a biblical framework 203 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:17,600 so we can use that lens, but right up front in the, in the Bible, the, the Adam and Eve 204 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,520 story, you know, the serpent did not lie. 205 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,280 He said, God didn't say you'll die or he knows you won't die just on the day you eat of it. 206 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,600 You'll be like him knowing good and evil. 207 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,480 And then after that happens and God dishes out the, the adjustment to the paradigm, then 208 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:40,520 God says, this is the Lord God said, now the man has become as one of us, plural, but the 209 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,200 man has become as one of us to know good and evil. 210 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,680 So this was part of the, the development of our consciousness. 211 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,640 We had to know good and evil, not just have the option to pick one or the other. 212 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,680 We needed to know it to become as God. 213 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:01,640 And then the process of from there having full grasp of both and choosing to reintegrate 214 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,120 and move ourselves back into the Garden of Eden state of being has always been an available 215 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,320 option for any of us. 216 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,680 We could do that at any time. 217 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:16,460 As soon as we work our way back into it, but a lot of times we are stuck in this, you know, 218 00:13:16,460 --> 00:13:17,800 that choice sounds good for a minute. 219 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,260 And then I see something that I also like is that, you know, we uphold the duality by 220 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:23,260 our own choice. 221 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:29,120 Well, I think that's what most theologians try to do though is, or people understanding 222 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:34,200 God because ultimately the value of theology or the value of even any kind of theological 223 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,760 discussion is to understand. 224 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:42,240 I am because if we come to terms that I am the, I am like, I'm not Jonathan. 225 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,600 That's a construct that was created in this lifetime, but beyond that is the, I am of 226 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,600 me. 227 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,960 And so when we talk about theology, we're trying to understand what is that? 228 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:51,960 I am. 229 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:57,600 And that's why Jesus has always been valuable for me because the, I am's response was pure 230 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:04,360 love and that love allowed you to integrate both the good and the evil, both the good 231 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,160 and the evil, the parts that you love about yourself and the part you don't because how 232 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,560 do you reconcile all that? 233 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:11,560 That's grace. 234 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:16,360 Grace is the unification of the good and the evil into what we call the unified field. 235 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Okay. 236 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,160 They're both there and you're both okay. 237 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,740 If you experience either side, right. 238 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:26,600 And that's when we transmute all the negative energy to lessons. 239 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,840 They become lessons to say, okay, you want to do this. 240 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,040 It's going to produce this. 241 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,600 You can do that, but guess what? 242 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:33,600 It sucks. 243 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,880 As Paul said, all things are lawful. 244 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,280 You can do anything in grace, but not everything is profitable. 245 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,360 So when you do something that creates shame, guess what? 246 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,160 That's your body telling you it's not a good thing to do. 247 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,400 It's not morally wrong. 248 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,280 God's not going to kick you out, but it's a constant. 249 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,400 God's algorithm that's in place that has like, like what you sow, you reap, what's your, 250 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,480 what's your actions do? 251 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,640 There will be an aligned consequence. 252 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,640 And it's almost in that regard. 253 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,280 If you take the emotional aspect out of it, it's mathematically perfect and consistent. 254 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,280 It does not miss. 255 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:16,280 So just start changing the variables in the equation would be a one way to look at it. 256 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,040 But yeah, a hundred percent. 257 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,840 Everything you're, you're saying, like not so much getting so caught up on how good or 258 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:27,880 bad it is just accepting that it's all part of the same on the same line, I suppose. 259 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Yeah. 260 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,520 I'm rich knows this cause this is how rich and I met. 261 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,720 I've been studying the garden of Eden for probably the last 20 years. 262 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,300 And I think, cause it's the original problem. 263 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:42,920 It's not just the original sin as historians like to call it. 264 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,040 It's the original problem. 265 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,920 What created this disruption in humanity? 266 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:54,360 And it comes up with this really unique idea that says there was this choice, the dichotomy, 267 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,960 the first actually, I think it's the second dichotomy. 268 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,800 The first dichotomy is the split between man and woman. 269 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,480 But this choice of, are you good or evil? 270 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,480 Cause it's a question. 271 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,480 It's a tree. 272 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,480 It's asking a question. 273 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Are you good or evil? 274 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,040 And if we choose evil, we get it wrong. 275 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,220 We choose good, which is inclusive of evil. 276 00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:17,220 We get it right. 277 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:18,220 Cause that's grace. 278 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:22,320 We're trying to come to a place in term in life where we understand what does it mean 279 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:32,040 to be I am in a human body and that's why the integration of shadow work is when we 280 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,160 transform and transmute, I love that's the way Sean Clayton put it. 281 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:41,800 You transmuted and alchemize it into lessons that teach you something about life. 282 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,840 Cause going back to the star Wars analogy is if you look, what was it? 283 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:51,080 The last Jedi, the one where Mark Hamill came back like his wisdom. 284 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,280 He was not affected. 285 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Yeah. 286 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,280 Yeah. 287 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,960 He's not affected by the same passions. 288 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:04,880 He's worked through and experienced everything and his wisdom is in knowing, okay, I know 289 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,880 how to handle this. 290 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,600 I know how to deal with these things. 291 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,560 And I think that's the value of shadow where people always look at shadow work. 292 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,760 Oh, I'm afraid of it. 293 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:19,900 But the value of it is so incredible to transform your life because you no longer have to deal 294 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:21,440 with all that shit. 295 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,800 What was the value of shadow work in your life? 296 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,800 Cleaver? 297 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,620 Uh, it was, it was exactly that. 298 00:17:27,620 --> 00:17:36,120 So it was being able to energetically spend time in spaces of my own capacity that I had 299 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:39,080 regretted or had shame around or had worry about. 300 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:46,080 And then also step energetically into look through the lens of people or circumstances 301 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,280 in the world and history, like really look through that person's perspective and take 302 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,520 ownership as though it were me doing these things that I had previously cast judgment 303 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,940 on or labeled in a negative way. 304 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:05,560 And then by doing that, I realized I was, I was in effect carrying a collective weight 305 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,800 of things that I don't want to align with or participate in. 306 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:15,480 But by, by the way I was judging it, I was carrying the weight of it within myself. 307 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:22,000 So stepping into it and trying to really understand what forgiveness, like why that's such an 308 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,000 important key, right? 309 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,960 Like what, what even is love? 310 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,220 What even is forgiveness? 311 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:28,420 Why is that so crucial? 312 00:18:28,420 --> 00:18:31,580 And how turning it inward. 313 00:18:31,580 --> 00:18:35,420 And then that also sort of ties into the connection we all, we all share the collective energy, 314 00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:40,340 the collective consciousness, and some of the quantum stuff we spoke about last time. 315 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:46,560 But that is the biggest thing is realizing where the energetic connection is between 316 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:52,120 me and other people and breaking down that lie, that illusion that we like to convince 317 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,840 ourselves that I'm this one and only being in the universe. 318 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,500 I'm just me and everybody else outside of me is either what I am choosing to call good 319 00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:05,400 or bad based on this framework that I have in my mind of what that means. 320 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,280 And that is an extremely egotistical standpoint. 321 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:17,440 That's a very limited viewpoint that is super prevalent in most churches these days, right? 322 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,680 If everybody would do it the way I think, the world would be better. 323 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:28,680 That's a hundred percent as far away from what Jesus was trying to say as you can get. 324 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,580 So pausing me, considering what's in me I haven't considered, and considering what's 325 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:39,420 in other people and how that is also part of me and how I am part of that and reconciling 326 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:40,420 with that. 327 00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:44,680 That was how I experienced shadow work you could say. 328 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:45,680 Yeah. 329 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Hey, Jonathan, I wanted to go back to your point in the garden and you mentioned it was 330 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,520 the first dichotomy where it was the separation, the knowledge and the tree. 331 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,480 But then you said, no, actually the first dichotomy was man versus woman. 332 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,880 In my mind, that is a good dichotomy. 333 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,360 I don't know if God's purpose in creating woman for man was a microcosm of the Trinity. 334 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:10,360 It is. 335 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:11,360 It's a good dichotomy. 336 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:12,360 It's the human experience. 337 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:17,920 So Eve came out of the heart. 338 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,360 And so the separation is between the mind and the heart. 339 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:24,520 So Adam represents the mind, Eve represents the heart. 340 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,980 And through that experience, because what was his problem? 341 00:20:27,980 --> 00:20:30,560 He couldn't find anything satisfying. 342 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,800 So he was given the heart and that's the first disruption. 343 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:41,000 It's the first dichotomy between two independent ideas and now they're split. 344 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,920 And so that was the first disruption to me. 345 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,240 And that's what I think God means. 346 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,920 That's what I think God means. 347 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,920 Or I don't know who said it. 348 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,000 I think it was Paul or I remember it was or maybe it was in Genesis. 349 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Sorry. 350 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 That the two shall become one. 351 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,240 Yes. 352 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,960 True shadow work is integrating the heart and the mind back together. 353 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,760 Like men avoid the heart and the women avoid the mind. 354 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,760 Yes. 355 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,280 And that's the separation. 356 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:13,200 And the birth of this new age is definitely feminine. 357 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,720 And so what's arising is we've been masculine for 6,000 years or really since the birth 358 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,800 of the church. 359 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:28,520 And the integration of the feminine is that first, the reparation of that first problem. 360 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,360 Because I think Jesus solved the tree of knowledge. 361 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:38,480 Love overcame what happened in the garden between the serpent. 362 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,560 So that problem has been solved for 2,000 years. 363 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,720 But what was the first problem? 364 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:48,200 The first problem was the separation of the man and the woman and such the, that is beginning 365 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560 to merge back together. 366 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,800 The head masculine energy and the heart, the feminine energy are now coming back together 367 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,160 to form the age of Aquarius. 368 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:01,120 Because we've said it's not a strict shift from masculine to feminine. 369 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,800 It's a shift from masculine to wholeness, which is both. 370 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Yes. 371 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,000 Well, and I guess that's, I mean, it's so funny because in terms of where we want to 372 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,040 be, we want to be in that unified field where there is no duality. 373 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,720 There is unified field. 374 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,720 Yes. 375 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,360 Coherence is the unified field. 376 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:18,360 Yes. 377 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:24,280 So by integrating the shadow to our light, that becomes the unified field. 378 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,920 But that's why I was so confused because I thought, you know, in the book of Genesis, 379 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,000 it was a good thing that God created a female to help, right? 380 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Yes, absolutely. 381 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,080 That was balanced and helped, but it's still a dichotomy. 382 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,080 It's still a duality. 383 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,680 I don't want to live by myself. 384 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,720 I'm one with myself, right? 385 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,960 But I think it's better to have another. 386 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,920 And what I'm actually doing by having a spouse or somebody else is I'm having somebody to 387 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,120 compliment me. 388 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:54,040 And in many ways, if it's so ironic about me and my wife is like, I can't see far away. 389 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,720 My wife can't see a menu in front of her. 390 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,000 We're like, there's going to be this old couple where she's telling me where to get off on 391 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,280 the off ramp and I'm telling her what to order on the food. 392 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,160 And it's like this amazing blend. 393 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,240 But the question or this, it's a compliment as opposed to becoming, are we becoming one? 394 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,080 I mean, and I guess what I'm going to go. 395 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,080 No, you're actually. 396 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,120 I because this is what I've been thinking about, like over the last two months is this 397 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:19,880 first dichotomy. 398 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:26,680 And what is happening is you're attracted to your partner so that they can reveal your 399 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,720 negative feedback because your partner is going to be the one that's going to show you 400 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,040 the most feedback because you're in a trusted, committed relationship to say, OK, when I 401 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,560 fuck up, you're not going to leave me. 402 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,600 That's when marriage matters. 403 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,880 And so you're attracted to the person who's opposite you that will refract back to you 404 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,360 your worst problems. 405 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,320 That's the problem with marriage is when you create that relationship. 406 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,280 But the goal isn't codependency where we're both complementing each other and solving 407 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,240 each other's problems. 408 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:01,400 The goal is unification of each person. 409 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:07,600 So your wife becoming whole in and of herself and you becoming whole in and of yourself. 410 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,400 That is the first unification. 411 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,440 That is the first dichotomy being corrected because the woman is not meant to be subject 412 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,640 to the man and the man is not meant to be subject to the woman. 413 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,840 They're both meant to be whole in and of themselves. 414 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,280 But what happens is that we spend all of our time trying to create a codependent relationship. 415 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,120 It's one of the most valuable things I've ever learned about my partner is that it's 416 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:36,040 very easy for me to become codependent on her because I want her to solve my problems 417 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,120 and she can't. 418 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,160 I want her to but she can't. 419 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,800 When I rely on her, that's when things just get fucked up really bad. 420 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:50,600 When I then see my partner as someone who refracts back to me the part that I need to 421 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,640 integrate my shadow side, then she becomes very valuable. 422 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,240 If I'm open to that, I can restore it within myself. 423 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,440 Does that make sense? 424 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,720 Oh my gosh. 425 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,320 This has been great stuff. 426 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,480 This conversation is only two months old for me. 427 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,120 I started thinking about that. 428 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:13,480 So Cleveland, I wrote a book on the Garden of Eden and what happened. 429 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,760 I've been in this question for 20 years of the Garden of Eden, but it's only the last 430 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,280 couple of months harnessed with this idea of the age of Aquarius that, wait a minute, 431 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,600 there was a first dichotomy because it started with the two shall become one. 432 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,600 That's when I got it. 433 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,440 He's not talking about marriage. 434 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,400 He's talking about the two halves coming back into one as a whole human being. 435 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,900 Have you guys ever heard that quote that the one became the many to experience the joy 436 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:42,720 of becoming the one again? 437 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,720 Yes. 438 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,720 Yes. 439 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,520 That is the whole thing. 440 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,160 First of all, accepting your partner as a mirror instead of realizing that what you're 441 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,440 seeing and thinking it's her but accepting that she's a mirror and you're like, oh shit, 442 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,600 the thing that's aggravating me or that I don't like, that's actually me and she's 443 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,560 here to show that to me and be present while I have this. 444 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,480 The way you mentioned though a couple of times, problems to be solved, that is very much a 445 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,920 framework of how my mind works. 446 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,880 And lately I've been stepping out of that and understanding that you can't understand, 447 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,760 you can't rationalize your way through this. 448 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:22,760 We want to. 449 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,200 We want to let the dots connect. 450 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,200 It's spot on that it feels like the feminine energy in everybody is rising. 451 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,360 It doesn't mean like it's going to be a woman, a matriarchy, right? 452 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,140 There's not a pendulum swing of power. 453 00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:42,080 There is a unification that's happening within the individuals and amongst the collective. 454 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:49,120 But a more feminine energy heading into this new age is rather than looking at it as problems 455 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:53,040 to solve, it's more like a dance to be enjoyed. 456 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,960 That's how the feminine energy works. 457 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,200 The brain is thinking a problem to solve. 458 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,960 So this happened, this created this rift. 459 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,960 What's the atonement? 460 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,080 What's the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 461 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,680 And we've been doing that for a long time and that doesn't vibe as well. 462 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,760 There's a measure of that that is required, but also allowing it to just be a fun process 463 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,480 because again, like the divine creator of all doesn't make mistakes, right? 464 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,440 Even though right before the flood, it says God regretted making man like this little 465 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,840 human experiment isn't going the way I thought, right? 466 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,440 That's all of us at some point catch ourselves and we're like, okay, I need to make an adjustment. 467 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:39,720 So on each level, there are equalities, like similarities from the cells dividing to the 468 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,920 stars, exploding all that stuff like the universe and the brain looks the same. 469 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,920 So in that regard, God doesn't make mistakes. 470 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:53,240 We each of us, the sons and daughters experiencing separateness, moving back into union. 471 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,920 And then again, that's where I've been feeling lately. 472 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,600 Rather than looking at all this, it's some work to do, some problem to solve and that 473 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,160 just feels so heavy, right? 474 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,720 It's exhausting, but rather just embracing the fact that you know what? 475 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,800 Somehow, it's a cheesy thing when they say you've survived all your worst days. 476 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,320 But when I really think about that, I'm like, okay, I actually did. 477 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:20,320 I have survived my worst days and although I have felt alone or whatever or disadvantaged 478 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,920 in some ways, somehow here I am and somehow whatever I needed has always showed up. 479 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,920 And I wonder how much of what I needed was to get to a point where I stopped needing 480 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,120 to experience feeling miserable in the experience and just learned that I'm in a dance and maybe 481 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,480 every now and then I'm not great at it and I step on my partner's toes or they step on 482 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,660 mine and sometimes the rhythm is a little wonky. 483 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:45,000 But the music is playing, right? 484 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Like the cosmos are singing to us. 485 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:53,000 There's an orchestra that's so magnificent and we're on the dance floor and learning 486 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,240 to feel that way about it lets it be more fun. 487 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,560 And it would take me 40 years to get to a point where I could not feel emasculated to 488 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,720 embrace the fact that it's okay to have fun with this experience. 489 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,840 It doesn't have to be this thing that's here for me to work my way through. 490 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:19,400 I'm not supposed to be a martyr or an emotional slave or any of that stuff. 491 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,240 We can just embrace the process. 492 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,360 I'm not sure how, you said two months ago recently, so that might be in your relationship 493 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,600 where that sort of shift may be happening. 494 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,600 Oh, absolutely. 495 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,180 Because here's the reality. 496 00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:38,600 Every time I want my wife to solve my problems, I get frustrated at myself because she can't 497 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,000 solve them. 498 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,120 So why am I projecting, you talked about shadow work is when we project our problems onto 499 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,120 people and what I realized- 500 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,800 You can't solve it so you want to blame someone else for not solving it. 501 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,800 No, no, no. 502 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,800 Here's what I think we do. 503 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,480 I don't think we do it intentionally out of harm. 504 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,920 I think we project it because we don't know how to solve it. 505 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,320 So we project it onto someone and go, please solve it for me. 506 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,840 And we can do that with bad intentions going, I don't know how to solve this. 507 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,520 But at some point we're looking for someone else to solve it so they can help us understand 508 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,520 to solve it. 509 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,520 Yeah. 510 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,520 He who looks outside dreams, he who looks inside awakens. 511 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,680 But because it comes with a projection, it's like, that's not my responsibility. 512 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,920 And so what I realized is that I keep becoming codependent on my wife to want to solve my 513 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,400 problems and that doesn't work. 514 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,640 I think she can help you work through those problems. 515 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,040 I think that's where it gets good. 516 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,120 That's why it's called a dance. 517 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,300 Even Richard Rohr refers to, he's got a book called The Divine Dance. 518 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:44,440 It's about the Trinity and about how that community of love is better than one God only. 519 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:50,240 And that's why it's very hard to absorb what the Trinity is. 520 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,480 But there's some great ways of describing it. 521 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,760 And I think it is a dance between the Father, Son, and the Spirit. 522 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:02,960 So I think that's where I'm realizing with her is that what she's teaching me is that 523 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:11,760 masculine energy is all about responsibility and feminine energy is all about compassion. 524 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,600 And in grace, we need both. 525 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,280 Compassion works best first because it says, okay, I accept you in the middle of this failure. 526 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:27,220 And then responsibility says, okay, but now it's time to step out of that, like step out 527 00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:28,320 of the hole. 528 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,000 You don't need to live in the hole anymore. 529 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,680 Because what a lot of people do when they have shadow work is they put themselves in 530 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,680 a pit. 531 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,680 Like, I'm not worthy. 532 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,080 So the shadow they're avoiding, when people stay there, the shadow they're avoiding is 533 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:49,120 the shadow of stepping up, being their own leader within themselves. 534 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,480 They're avoiding, they feel like that's something they can't do or something that's too hard 535 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,860 or that's beyond them. 536 00:31:54,860 --> 00:32:00,600 So they embrace victimhood or lack or doubt and project outwardly. 537 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,520 You see this where they, you know, that's why we have icons like certain people that 538 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,440 are considered leaders and then everybody can have a good or bad opinion about them. 539 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,440 Right? 540 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,440 Because everybody at some point is wrestling with their own inner leader and they project 541 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,380 out who they prefer or don't prefer out on someone else. 542 00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:23,200 But 100% it's like just avoiding what you feel like is the work because it feels too 543 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,200 heavy. 544 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,200 It's already overwhelming, right? 545 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680 Like being a man, especially up until very recently, there's a lot of expectations that 546 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,800 people don't, you know, maybe not wrap their head around, but it's exhausting. 547 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,040 And then the thought of having to do all this extra work that's not in your wheelhouse, 548 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,040 right? 549 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Like I'm all of my life, I've been a man. 550 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,580 I've been told to think, be practical, be all these things. 551 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:44,280 And now I've got to work on my emotions. 552 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,680 That's what I've been trained not to do since as far as I can remember. 553 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,680 That's too much. 554 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,680 I can't do it. 555 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,920 So that's the shadow I think that gets avoided when people are stuck in the rut. 556 00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:01,560 They're stuck in their comfort zone of avoiding the shadow of leadership. 557 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,040 So I want to shift gears a little bit because I want to make sure we get to these other 558 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,600 topics because shadow I could talk about for six hours and I don't want to do that on this 559 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,480 episode. 560 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,040 You mentioned in the last episode, I think it was in the first 10 minutes when we were 561 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,640 not recording about Jesus and the Magi. 562 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,960 Can you set up that story and then what is your take? 563 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,840 Because this was where we were going with, what is your take on Jesus going east? 564 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,840 Right. 565 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:37,160 So the story of the Magi, which is the origin of the word where we get our word magic from 566 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,420 the Magi, right? 567 00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:49,040 They were astrologers and practicing magicians, the Zoroastrian priests that Zoroaster was 568 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,880 the same story as Christ that like timeline for timeline, but it's thousands of years 569 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,880 older. 570 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,840 So his story and his priesthood, which impacted Pythagoras and Greek philosophy and all this 571 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,080 stuff, it has impacted the entire world, but it's in our Western world. 572 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:10,040 It's not a name or a subject we talk about, but to Iranians and stuff like that and the 573 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,720 Persian part of the world, it's still pretty well known. 574 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:21,680 But the fact that that story is historically verifiable and documented and made an appearance 575 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:29,460 in the Bible at such a crucial point, at such a handoff point could not be to indicate that 576 00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:36,580 there's a conflict between these two ideas, these two groups and these two stories, right? 577 00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:40,520 If there was a conflict in all these centuries of somebody combing through the works of the 578 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,400 Bible would have thought to omit that so that they could prop it up as the one and only 579 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,680 right thing. 580 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,640 It is subtle for the people who want to dig into it that there is a nod that connects 581 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,660 Jesus to the previous Christ of that age and in that part of the world because each age 582 00:34:56,660 --> 00:35:02,640 and each part of the world had their own storyline that connects the same. 583 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:09,200 So the Magi, those guys coming, knowing the stars so well, the astrology and knowing that 584 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,640 they were observant and spotted a star that indicated the birth of the new Christ, the 585 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,840 King of the Jews, it says in the Bible. 586 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,080 So they went. 587 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,480 A lot of people, you could estimate that Jesus was somewhere around one years old by the 588 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,480 time they show up. 589 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,920 It was a bit of a long trip, but we know he was at least somewhere under two because when 590 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,120 they came into the land and they had to talk to King Herod and he's like, what are you 591 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,120 guys doing here? 592 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,680 And they said, now this is another key that they were important people, right? 593 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,240 They didn't just, I mean, they're talking to the King of the land to get his permission 594 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,840 to come into the place and visit and bring gifts and stuff. 595 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,900 So they were in an entourage. 596 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:46,960 They said, we've come to give praise to the King of the Jews. 597 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,080 Obviously he doesn't like that. 598 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,560 So he put out a hit on all young males in the land that were under two years old. 599 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,780 So baby Jesus was somewhere between birth and two years by their estimation. 600 00:35:56,780 --> 00:36:01,000 So they go visit with mom and dad, they bring gifts. 601 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,080 In my belief, and now I've spoken with other people that are strong channels, people are 602 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,000 writing books on this, that there's a lot of documentation that also falls in line with 603 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,640 this, that they let mom and dad know that when baby Jesus got a little bit bigger, they 604 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,080 wanted to take him right then when he was a child. 605 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,680 But if they had started his training in a different land, he wouldn't have had his 606 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,980 roots firmly enough in that space where he was supposed to go spread his message. 607 00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:33,920 He wouldn't have come back to technically modern day Palestine, but to Bethlehem and 608 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,040 Jerusalem and Galilee and all that stuff. 609 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,320 So anyways, right after they visit the parents and leave right in the Bible, the next, the 610 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,260 very next verse is the flight to Egypt. 611 00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:45,640 That's where the archangel says, Hey, get up and leave right now. 612 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,760 They leave in the middle of the night and they go raise Jesus in Egypt until King Herod 613 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,840 dies and it's safe to go back to their homeland. 614 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,000 And then the next time we see Jesus, he's 12 years old, mom and dad lose him for a day. 615 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,800 And then it ends up being three days by the time they make their way back and find him 616 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,800 in a temple. 617 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,080 He's speaking to the elders. 618 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,500 They're astonished with the wisdom and power with which he's speaking. 619 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:11,000 So he was raised in Egypt, stands to reason that because in most places in the world, 620 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,600 other than America, and especially at that time, cultures were aware of each other's 621 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,080 teachings and traditions and languages and stuff like that. 622 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,480 So he probably had a firm grasp on what the theology of the time was in Egypt and their 623 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,020 education system. 624 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:29,120 He was speaking in a temple, which is a big problem I have with churches these days. 625 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,680 They are their performance based tax exempt businesses. 626 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,760 They're not a temple of worship the way they used to be a temple of Q and A type of situations 627 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,760 where a 12 year old could get up and speak powerfully. 628 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,020 But he did that. 629 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:44,020 Mom came and saw him. 630 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:45,020 She said, we're worried sick. 631 00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:46,020 What are you doing? 632 00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:47,020 And he's like, what are you doing worrying about me? 633 00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:48,160 I'm here about my father's business. 634 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,340 And she said, not yet, buddy. 635 00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:53,920 So the next thing it says, he went down and was subject to them. 636 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,360 And then we don't hear from him again for a while. 637 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,220 So those missing years, a lot of people speculate about this. 638 00:37:58,220 --> 00:38:04,400 But if you look into it, there's all kinds of, if you need to see with your eyes, documents 639 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,600 that line up very clearly and sitting with it spiritually, it brings true to me that 640 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:17,320 at that time when it was evident, he was ready to get like hit that next level of his education. 641 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,560 He went east. 642 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,160 There are historical documents in other parts of the world that when Jesus was there teaching 643 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,480 and studying, records were kept and have been handed down for the couple of thousand years 644 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,520 since then. 645 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:34,520 But the Magi were who took him under their wing to continue giving him a formal education 646 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,400 and empowering him for not only who he is and what he was built to do, but for the work, 647 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,720 the message he was supposed to go back and share and get him fully into his gifts, but 648 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,880 also be supported while he was at a formidable age. 649 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,400 Because there are plenty of points that we talked about before in the Bible where it 650 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,440 indicates Jesus did feel the feelings of a man. 651 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:02,080 He did feel doubt or fear or worry or frustration. 652 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,080 So imagine a 13 year old with his hormones and his emotions and his feelings, if he wasn't 653 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:12,440 in a space that was actively looking out for his growth and his development during this 654 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,640 time, we all get the support we need to learn the lessons we're supposed to learn. 655 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,640 So that was his. 656 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,400 Rich, you want to respond? 657 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:31,320 Yeah, I was going to say the polemicist in me or just maybe the devil's advocate would 658 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,360 say wouldn't he just have tapped into the Holy Spirit, right? 659 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,680 Jesus was fully God, fully man, and he was able to do amazing things. 660 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,120 And that's because of the communion with the Father and with the Holy Spirit. 661 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,760 Is that not a strong enough construct in terms of why he was able to do the things he was 662 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,760 able to do and be that amazing person? 663 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,360 Have I got a good one for you. 664 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,440 So John 1 to 27, the anointing you received from Christ lives in you. 665 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,080 You don't need anyone to teach you something else. 666 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,280 Instead, Christ's anointing teaches you about everything. 667 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,740 His anointing is true and contains no lie. 668 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:10,880 So live in Christ as he taught you to do. 669 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,000 Now Christ's anointing, why do we anoint with oil right there? 670 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,680 Now this is also sort of that seems awfully close to Eastern practices, right? 671 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,200 Why is it oil? 672 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:29,080 Have you guys heard about the Christ oil that secretes from inside your, your, your, your 673 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,600 claustrum near your pineal gland? 674 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:37,160 So every month when yours, when the moon is in your sun cycle. 675 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,960 So for me, that's when the moon is in Libra. 676 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,060 That's about a three day period. 677 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:45,400 So I usually start two days before and go two days after, but your brain secretes an 678 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,820 oil, the Christ oil. 679 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:49,400 And this is a true story. 680 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,840 So I want to hear about this. 681 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,340 Yeah, this one, this one's big. 682 00:40:52,340 --> 00:40:58,880 If you guys haven't heard this, so the anointing of the Christ, the oil anointed with oil, 683 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,720 your brain right near the pineal gland has a, has an Oregon called a claustrum, Santa 684 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,200 Claus, the Christ. 685 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,280 It secretes the Christ oil and it makes its way down your spine. 686 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,280 There's 33 vertebrae in your spine. 687 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,640 Christ lived 33 years and all stories at the cosmic, at the cellular, through all ages, 688 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,680 the stories, there's layers of equality and separation all happening at once. 689 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,600 The Christ oil makes its way through your brain, through your chakras, through your 690 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,900 heart center, be being activated, moving through your spinal column down through your three 691 00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:38,520 vertebrae into your sacrum, into your sacrum. 692 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,440 And then makes its way back up. 693 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:48,100 Now if you can hold your sexual essence during this time, not having any form of sexual release 694 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:55,240 during this time, not engaging mentally in lustful thoughts, but just hold your energy. 695 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,240 This is important. 696 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,560 Energy is hugely important and our sexual energy is massively spiritually significant, 697 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,560 right? 698 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,660 And all levels, we could get into that a whole other thing too, but your sexual energy, prioritizing 699 00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:10,980 it and treating it as holy, not because it's like right or wrong to have it, but because 700 00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:12,020 God lives in me. 701 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:15,960 And right now the Christ is doing a work to give me the knowledge of all. 702 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,200 It is empowering my brain to fire extra neurons to begin getting information so that I don't 703 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,360 need anybody to teach me. 704 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,960 But somebody somewhere along the line had to create this information that I could stumble 705 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,960 across. 706 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,560 This is super verifiable. 707 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,600 The Christ oil makes its way down. 708 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,200 Three days, this is a three day process. 709 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,200 Think about that. 710 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,280 How long was Christ dead for? 711 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,320 So the Christ oil goes down to the sacrum. 712 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,160 Some sort of chemical process happens during that time and as it comes back up through 713 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,160 your heart and into your brain, if you can not interrupt this process and let that oil 714 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:55,520 come back into your brain, into your skull, Christ was crucified on Galgotha and the King 715 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,560 James, your grandpa's version of the Bible, make sure to point out, meaning skull. 716 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,560 Okay. 717 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,720 Where did Jacob wrestle with God? 718 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:04,800 In Peniel. 719 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,320 He saw God eye to eye in Peniel. 720 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,080 So we're getting really into the esoteric stuff here, but that is a hundred percent 721 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,880 the anointing of Christ that teaches you about all things that you don't need another man 722 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,920 to teach you is harnessing the Christ within you. 723 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,920 Kingdom of God is within you. 724 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,440 Jesus said that. 725 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,760 Letting that oil do its work, prioritizing it, letting it kind of go down to hell, like 726 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,320 go down to the root. 727 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,980 Like the, if you, if you look at it from a chakra standpoint, what each chakra represents, 728 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:39,480 if you can let it go all the way down and come back up, purifying all your chakras all 729 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:46,240 the way up and open the crown chakra, then you, your, your brain receptors become literally 730 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:53,280 open to downloads from the, the collective database of which we are all evidently tapped 731 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,800 in if you look into that as well. 732 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,240 So Jonathan, um, Dr. Joe and Gaia has this actually, you can actually see it actually 733 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,880 talks about how this person, it's a lot of breath work too. 734 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,320 And I don't know if it's similar or not, but it shows them focusing and breathing up 735 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,960 and it comes in and it does that. 736 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,800 It seems a little bit different than a three day process, but it's absolutely incredible. 737 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,880 But also what the parallel is, is have you ever seen the tree of life in the Kabbalistic 738 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,880 framework where you've got the crown and you've got the root at the bottom and it all spreads 739 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,880 out. 740 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:24,880 It's a tree of life. 741 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,880 So we call this the sephiras, right? 742 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,440 And then it just, so you were, you were wearing that necklace the other day, I think. 743 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,400 Yeah, I just don't have it on yet. 744 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,400 Yes. 745 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,080 But the entire Kabbalistic tree of life goes through these processes where, um, each, each, 746 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:43,160 um, sephira, if you would, S E F I R A H A is, is that it has each of these particular 747 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,160 foundations. 748 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,000 And of course that's where your, um, unified field is up here at pure consciousness in 749 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000 your crown. 750 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,560 But you do have to go down into the root and that's of course the tree of life. 751 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,040 This is, that's fascinating. 752 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,760 I think offline, I would love to, to spend a little more time with you digging in on 753 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,520 that because that's something absolutely worth exploring. 754 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,360 And well, because it's a practice. 755 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,360 Yes. 756 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,360 I didn't get into that. 757 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,520 It's like, that's one of the things that we look for on this show is what are those things 758 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,840 people can do that have proactive value? 759 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,840 Yeah. 760 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,880 The last time you asked that, I kind of wasn't sure how to answer. 761 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,160 So I mentioned, uh, fasting, I guess, but, uh, it would be cool to have a chat where 762 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:25,560 we just go through like literal things you can do, like harnessing the Christ oil, fasting, 763 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,560 different ways to, to pray or meditate or grounding, like all of that actual practical 764 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,600 things to do, cause for sure to neglect the physical, to neglect the doing in the reality. 765 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,360 Um, if all is connected, you can't pick and choose which parts of the whole of, of God's 766 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,460 creation that you want to decide are irrelevant or less important. 767 00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:49,400 Like all things can be your teacher, even though no thing must be your teacher is what 768 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,720 I believe in all ways you can find yourself, find your way to God. 769 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:57,380 But there's no one thing that's a must because if there was any one thing that was a must, 770 00:45:57,380 --> 00:46:02,460 it would exclude so many people in the world throughout history who didn't have access 771 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:05,320 to that one particular channel. 772 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,320 Um, that's, that's what I have. 773 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:13,620 Well, I think that's one of the reasons why I think there's a lot of validity, like regardless 774 00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:18,760 of the evidence, there's a lot of validity that Jesus fundamentally changed even his 775 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:26,860 own society, the historical Hebrew faith, because what he presented looked a lot like 776 00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:28,640 a blend of the two. 777 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,640 Yeah. 778 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,320 I mean, like that's like, you can't ignore that reality that it's a new Testament when 779 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,840 people say that's new agey. 780 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,760 Well bro, like we are in the new age, right? 781 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,360 Like that they literally, your, your great grandparents agreed things stopped here and 782 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,280 became different at this point. 783 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,760 And they literally created a new Testament where his preaching was, was literally love, 784 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,760 right? 785 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,560 Like it's no more go kill a ram for, for your atonement or, you know what I mean? 786 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,720 There was no more eye for an eye, no more of that, like, like lost rationalization process. 787 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:06,320 It was simply an embodiment of, of love and union and acceptance that there's really not 788 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,640 the separation between each of us as we think and what you do for the least of these you 789 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,580 do for me love, love your neighbors. 790 00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:13,580 You love yourself. 791 00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:16,120 That whole theme do unto others as you'd have them do to you. 792 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,720 It doesn't just sound like something you tell a kindergartener to help them learn how to 793 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:20,720 behave on the playground. 794 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:26,080 It becomes like so completely, profoundly true. 795 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:31,400 When realizing that we're not separated, we're experiencing each other for the sake of having 796 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:38,400 an experience through the, the, the trick of separation, but we're all here connected, 797 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,120 creating the experience together. 798 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,960 It starts to get tricky to explain. 799 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,880 No, this is actually worthwhile. 800 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,880 I mean, this, this continues. 801 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,600 I mean, you need to drop off Cleaver. 802 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,840 I have a, I have another call to be on at 12, so in five minutes, five minutes. 803 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,840 Okay. 804 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,840 So we don't get into the CIA. 805 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,560 Why don't we just get the CIA is awesome because it's like our literal government with a document 806 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,720 that you can pull from CIA.gov. 807 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:09,240 You can go on the CIA's website and pull a document of them in 1983 studying how to astral 808 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:14,520 project and how to literally let your energy body, your light, your consciousness, time 809 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,720 travel to share and receive information and bring it back to the present. 810 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:24,080 It's a literal CIA document and in the document, it even says, okay, so in our findings, the 811 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,160 reality is more like a hologram than how we previously considered it. 812 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,880 And it lines up perfectly with each of the world's major philosophies and religions, 813 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,600 the cosmic egg theory, the principle of the Holy Trinity. 814 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:43,360 Like like they basically just said, okay, well, we have now proven that for thousands 815 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,840 of years, what the great sages of the time have tried to tell us was actually right. 816 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,240 So let's just go ahead and make this confidential. 817 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,240 Dumb dumbs, right? 818 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,480 Like, you know, why not just come out and be like, hey guys, guess what? 819 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:03,560 If you like the Upanishads, if you like the Holy Bible, if you like the Quran, go ahead 820 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,280 and actually read those things, but don't read them as they're like a checklist of to-do's 821 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,560 and don't-do's, but read it like it's actually like the most mystical document you can get 822 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,760 and read it in your language would have been anyways. 823 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,720 Yeah, that'll be so much fun to get in. 824 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,360 I've actually got it printed out and stuff like that. 825 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,680 We can get into that next time. 826 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,680 It'd be fun. 827 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,680 Can't wait. 828 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,680 Yeah, absolutely. 829 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,920 So, um, Cleaver, thanks for coming back, man. 830 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,600 And we'll do, I'm sure we'll do a few of these because it sounds like we just, we have these 831 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,320 wild conversations and I think they're very valuable because we're touching on things 832 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,880 that are very core to what we like on this podcast, which is what it means to be human. 833 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,800 I think everybody's wrestling with how do I do shadow work? 834 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,360 Everybody's wrestling with, okay, what does it mean to be even a human being? 835 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,800 I think Jesus is a good pointer, but everybody's coming from their own vein and our goal is 836 00:49:52,800 --> 00:50:00,360 really just to help people understand that it is possible to work through all of these 837 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,360 things. 838 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,720 It is possible to have really good conversations that are not shameful or a guiltful that they're 839 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:12,120 holistic because they're starting from a framework of there is a good end game to all of this. 840 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:17,580 Like we don't practice love or practice I am because it's the right thing to do. 841 00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:20,280 We do it because it produces a good life. 842 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,500 So that's what, that's why I love having these conversations with you because you've definitely 843 00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:24,500 done that with us. 844 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:25,500 So thank you. 845 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:26,500 Yeah. 846 00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:27,500 Beautiful guys. 847 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:29,440 Thank you for, thank you for the chat for letting me, let me listen to you guys and share 848 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,440 a bit. 849 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,440 Absolutely. 850 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,560 Rich, any final words? 851 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,960 I just say that the dance is ubiquitous. 852 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,400 I mean, I just feel like the energy and the conversations are just in flow with this and 853 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,360 I'm looking forward to more conversations and learning and growing and spending more 854 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,360 time with you, Peter. 855 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,360 And it's been, it's been fantastic. 856 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,360 Cool. 857 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,360 Thanks guys. 858 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,360 Absolutely. 859 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,360 All right. 860 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,360 Thank you everybody for listening. 861 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,600 This is Living in the Matrix podcast. 862 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400 Please review, comment, and also let us know if you have a guest. 863 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,240 We have been getting some amazing recommendations. 864 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,840 Keep them coming and much love everybody. 865 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,840 Have a wonderful week. 866 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:23,560 And we'll see you next time.