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Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.

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And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right. But the bottom line is,

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is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.

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Let's get started and welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan. This is Rich. Say hello,

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Rich. Hey everybody. Great to be back. Awesome. And we have a phenomenal guest today.

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We have San, is it Queen? San Quinn.

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San Quinn. And he is a Taoist priest. And I'm just going to say hello and let you jump in.

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All right. Thank you. Welcome. I'm really grateful that you invited me on your podcast.

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And I'm always, always excited to share, you know, consciousness worldwide in any way,

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shape or form. And when we really bring together that old expression kumbaya, I mean, that's true

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and true to the, when someone actually accepts another person, no matter what their perception

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or their truth of their reality is. And that's a real understanding of what consciousness and

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acceptance is. So thank you. I'm very grateful for being here. Absolutely. We are so glad to have you.

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I found you on Instagram and you have really sort of these very consistent, very thoughtful posts

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that you put in your reels and across social network. Help us understand sort of your thought

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process as a Taoist priest and the content you create. What's your story?

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, what seems to be going on right now is sort of like a level

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of frequency shift in within the earth and definitely within the universe. And you're

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starting to realize that, you know, this, this access to information, the, the idea of being

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enlightened is becoming more and more reproduced and accessible to most people as it should be.

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And if you look around, if you go and tap in on Yelp, I want to find a psychic, you wouldn't

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find it 10 years ago. Now there's a couple of hundred people that claim they're mediums and

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psychics. And I think it's beautiful that just the idea that they're getting validation, that what

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they're tapping into is a high level of information. And then, you know, how I created, I sort of

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merged many things. So I'll take the spirituality. I'll also take ancient indigenous practices that

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have been taught to me that are tens of thousands of years old through my, my ordained Taoist

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lineage. And then I'll also integrate, you know, other languages like quantum physics, you know,

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epigenetic science, just to help people validate what they're experiencing. So if, if I'm sort of

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sitting here and you're on the other side of the world, and, you know, I wave my finger and next

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minute, your pain has gone away, a healing, you know, I mean, the myriad of different things that

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I've seen in over 30 years, there's nothing I haven't seen. So what you consider possible is

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absolutely more than possible, it's real. And so where you're at in your own level of consciousness,

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so when I integrate these languages, that's how we get this sort of a much greater understanding.

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And most people, if they hang around long enough and listen to my material, either go and listen

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to my podcast or just listen to the reels. Have you been on the podcast? The podcast is sort of

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like something that blows people away, because you get to, I do about an hour and a half myself,

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and I go over all things. So I'll have an angle of quantum physics. And then I'll go into some

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spirituality, I'll use some Taoist practices that parallel other things. And then I'll finish off

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with an actual exercise. So you can experience this high level of consciousness and make it very

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tangible for you and go, holy moly, how did he do that? He waved his finger around and boom,

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you have this experience. And that's really what it's about is understanding that I sort of noticed

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that you guys were really excited, realizing, you know, you've been friends for many years,

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and you come together, you have similar thoughts, you're getting these downloads, these ideas of

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what, you know, how you want to perceive your reality. And that's what it is, gentlemen, it's

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a powerful opening of consciousness that you've just obtained. And then from a neurological level,

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we're taking it to another level where if someone witnesses something using the neurology of their

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body, they can now replicate it as quickly as they perceive it. And so that's a whole nother ballgame.

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Well, unfortunately, we have also found that when trauma happens, it can be lived over and over

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again, as if it happened like when we talked about Anna, right at the beginning of Dr. Joe's

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book, right, Jonathan, he had a gal who, her husband jumped off a building, right. And her

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physiological construct was such that she was reliving it as if it happened again and again and

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again. So on a negative side, right, or any kind of side, you could see how there's permanence to

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that, right, physiological, like we're talking cancers and massive GI issues that were actually

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fomented based on this mental trauma that she could not release, right?

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Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's the foundation of really Chinese medicine, and really

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understanding. So, you know, when I just do quick, you know, psychic readings on people and they flip

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out because I've never met them before, but I can give them their mental emotional state inside of

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60 seconds from reading their aura, they get a little weirded out. They're like, how is that

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possible? You don't know me. I'm just reading the information. I'm not creating a judgment on your

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personality. I'm just reading the excess and deficiency of what's going on in your energetic

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field that is reflected on your organs and what the virtue or emotion is being stored in each

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particular organ that then manifests into a physical ailment, which is what you're referencing.

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I assume you're referencing Dr. Joe as in dispenser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have this

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incredible, interesting love affair with Dr. Dispenser. It's because anytime I mention some

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level of like coherence, which is a sexy word right now, they're like, oh, yeah, is that the dispenser

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stuff? Okay, let me take a deep breath. This is a realization that these indigenous practices have

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been around a really long time. And that's where my personality steps in and says, hey, listen,

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you don't need to be a priest right now. Let's just sort of process. Why is it that everyone

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associates? Because he's very articulate and extremely well versed in understanding the

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mechanics of astrology. And that's really how you drop a message in to someone's unconscious,

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to process it consciously when you can use the mechanisms. And it's sort of like sitting and

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listening to material, all of a sudden it goes, hang on a second, wow, this makes sense to me.

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How did that happen? I just don't know, but I can feel it. I can feel it within myself.

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I think there's, Dr. Joe really kind of blew my mind is an appropriate way when I went through

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a lot of his work, because of what I think he does is he, he discovered the structural components

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of how ancient medicines of work, like you said, it's like, he's not giving us anything new. He's

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putting it in a language that's understandable, that has no religious background, because when

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it's in science, it's easier to digest without a filter of hold on now, you know, kind of that.

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That's the part of we all we've wrestled with for 15 years together is, you know, we started connected

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over our own faith of Christianity and then realized there's a dissonance growing. And we're

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in a much different place now. So there's that, that journey is what Dr. Joe has kind of helped

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you understand the mechanics and the levers. And I love that about him. It's, it's been extremely

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helpful for me. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's beautiful to see, I love it when people can become more aware

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of their sensory perception. And that's how you level up in consciousness. And you know, there's

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there's the baseline of understanding the physiology, which evokes the mental emotional

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that then activates the energetic, and then we ripple into the spiritual. So there's all these

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levels of ascension that give you the gateway to this high level of knowing. And that's kind of why

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I always talk about never, if you're thinking you're not knowing if you're knowing, you are

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all knowing because you're feeling see, so the thought component is where you process things,

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you compartmentalize things, whereas when you feel it, you know it. And that's why the register for

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for my app specifically, is you start with the feeling so you can hear play on that. And the

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visual audible experience evokes the kinesthetic response, which makes you feel like you've had

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five pinoculars 10 days in the Bahamas and a full body massage. And that happens all within a few

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seconds, let alone the 27 minutes that you experience per day. And that will then lead you to

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okay, well, you're now asking me, I feel amazing. But what am I going to do? I mean, I've used all

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these other apps before and you walk away and I'm back to my same old real world problems that I

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have to deal with. Well, I developed what they call an Easter egg. So you go through the experience,

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after the first day of that experience, you're now able to validate your your progression. So what

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happens is, you know, you create new synapses, information, energy highways of the brain when

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you're exposed to this material. Now, the beautiful part is you can experience it once. And what

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happens, I always tell people, once you experience it once you can close your eyes, and you'll see it

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visually in your third eye, because all these energy centers are being activated from the first

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one that accesses the earth all the way to the universe, and the seven in between, which some

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people would correlate or associate with something they would call a chakra, we just call them energy

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centers within Taoism. And then you know, you have more deeper understanding of what we call the

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Dantians, which would be in association with the physiology of your brain, your heart and your gut.

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And so when you get that, you know, if you've gone deep enough into dispenser, he gives you a very

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clear understanding that guess what, once this is humming, the truth teller, you you connect with

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the brain, the brain is enabled through the neural network to send a signal to the gut, which gives

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you the gut feeling, this has all got to do with the information, how it's translated. And more so

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than anything else, as a Taoist, we very much everything, this is the information, this is where

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you get it from the heart, not from the brain, the brain is more like a projector. And so you evoke

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what we call the red phoenix. And this is where we get the black hole energy, which is what

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Taoists use. And this is absolutely relevant to zero point energy within quantum. And understanding

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that that is black hole energy. And so people have an epiphany when they're like, what are you

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talking about? Well, I actually had one of my students on who's a very well renowned functional

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medicine doctor. And he had his son who's studying at UCSF has a PhD. And he was studying the nucleus

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of a cell. And guess what? Guess what he found in that cell? Dead center in the middle, the yin yang,

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black hole energy. And he's been teaching me this stuff for years. But he, boy, the zeroes and ones

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can't lie. They're right here in front of you. We have the data. And this is where people get blown

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away. And I mean, you ask yourself, okay, if this was access 10, 20,000 years ago, where do we get

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this information from? It's called direct source information. Yeah. So for our listeners, what is

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black hole energy? How would you define that? Okay, so it's basically from Hollywood perspective,

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it's an ominous black hole that sucks. It's a vortex that sucks the life out of everything and

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don't get near it or you'll enter the abyss, which that's completely incorrect. So once you

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actually been there, Interstellar denies that too, right? Right, right. So the you know, the event

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horizon, the lip of the black hole, or what some people conventionally call a wormhole, is basically

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the enter entering point of infinite, abundant, timeless, endless, limitless amounts of energy.

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And if you're following dispenser, you may be following the same or Braden or any other any of

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the myriad of other guys. And so Nisim, especially, I find he warms my heart because he gets it, he's

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starting to really put out that information when it comes to the unified field. I imagine you got

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that from him. I'm not sure. So understanding that that that energy has been accessible for

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tens of thousands of years within Taoism. Now within the universe, it was created. And so quantum

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in of itself is made up of just an infinite amount of these black hole connections. That's how you

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qualify what we call the entanglement within quantum physics. So this energy is basically in

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every single cell of your body right down to a photon. And you you use that as the connector

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dots that give you what we perceive as time and space between us, which there is none. It's just

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an infinite amount of these dots that are within the photons that cannot be seen by the naked eye.

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So basically in itself, it's an access point to this energy that is limitless. It's infinite. And

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so even the sim is claims that within the next 12 months, that you'll have access to, you know,

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some type of a device very similar to a cell phone that, you know, we could go, Hey, look,

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I'm going to put this on my car, I'm going to put this on my house, I'm going to, why do I need to

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spend excessive amounts on fossil fuel or, you know, solar or any of those things. Now from a

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Taoist perspective, we've been using this energy. Because what is a black hole, a black hole is

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is basically the death of a star. And then that's sort of like rises up from the deconstruction of

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a star in itself. From a Taoist perspective, this is the earth, right, which the parallels are sort

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of like uncanny, let me go, let me guess there's, there's a magnetic field that's pulsating from

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the earth, which is pulsating from the human body. And it's like, what are the chances of that? What

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a coincidence. And so through specific practices, you evoke the rising of the red phoenix, which is

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the death of a black star, sorry, the death of a star, which becomes a black hole. And through the

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ash, the red phoenix rises, opening up what we call the sacred infinite garden, the sacred infinite

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flower, and then you have access to this high level of consciousness. And that starts to, you

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know, roll out into all different types of practices, we use grids, we use constellations

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that parallel with the constellations that are formed within the planet Earth, which would be

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would look more like, you know, you know, natural born like pyramids that are mountains. And you

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know, I'm out here in in Nevada in, you know, out in the desert, and I can go to any, any amount of

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any, any amount of mountains that have this access of energy. And so as a Taoist, even within China,

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I brought this up on one of my podcasts about three months ago, there are hundreds of pyramids in

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China that have never been explored or even exposed. And so you have these pyramids that are all over

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the world and like, well, what do we normally do with them? We align them with the constellations.

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And then you draw a grid, which would be in the form of a bagua. And then from that, you use the

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star stepping, which is an ancient Taoist practice that we use, we evoke the energy from the

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constellation. And then we use that to construct, you know, magic, whatever manifestation healing.

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So I hope that answered your question. I'm not sure.

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Where did this journey for you begin? Because you obviously, you're how old? How old are you?

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I'm 51.

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Okay, so where did it begin for you that you kind of

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About 30 years ago, I started like getting involved with healing practices, I sort of merged into

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more of the physicality perspective, got involved with exercise, bodybuilding,

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powerlifting, and then I realized that I had this, this consciousness and access. And so I went down

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the path of discovering energetic practices, Taoism. And then later, in my 30s, I became an

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ordained priest. What was it? Do you remember, like, any moment where you really said, okay, this

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connects with me? Was there a moment that that happened?

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Well, yeah, it was right after my first channeling session. So my teacher at the time,

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put together a small class. And the first time I channeled ever, I channeled Latsu,

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who's the father of Taoism. And I basically, he's my teacher, my best friend, my family member to

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this day, because I'm consciously aware of something that is I have direct access to. So

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I access all all my teachers within within the myriad of teachers, I have over 170 different

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teachers that access for any, any source information. So when you define things like

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God, per se, when when I say, hey, you know, I believe in the Tao and, and someone goes,

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okay, what is that? I said, Well, that would be equivalent to God in your, you know, your perception

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of what it is in relation to the Tao is the mother of all things. Now, when I say three pure ones,

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there are three immortal gods, and they're like, there is only one God. Okay, all right, we can,

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we can take a moment and take a breath, understanding that on a much deeper level,

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that there really is this is a transmutation of all one thing, we're all one thing, you and you

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and I are the same, like, I was a big jump for a lot of people. It's a huge jump intellectually

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or spiritually for a lot of people to make. Yeah, that's what that's why it needs to come true like

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that. I mean, for whatever silly reason, I'm still I'm still caught up. I'm still I'm getting there,

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Jonathan. But I mean, as a as a as a Christ follower, and not the same way I used to be many

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years ago, I still think ontologically, he's different than me, right? I think the Godhead

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is still ontologically different, right? Instead of we're the same thing. Even though what I was

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thinking about on the beach the other day is I think about this for a minute. When Jesus says,

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you know, handed on to you. If the kingdom of God is within you, then that's exactly what it is. If

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you if you see, if you seek that, and you and that's what you focus on, and you become a better

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person because of it, then all these things will be given unto you. That's the that's exactly the

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same message. So it just there's going to be I think there's an awakening happening right now.

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I don't know if it's the age of Aquarius. But there is definitely you know, you can see it all

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over Twitter. You know, it's not about the polemic and wokeness, which is another type of waking up

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right in terms of right versus left politically, but in terms of a gradual eye opening of different

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constructs that at one point in time would be considered, you know, anathema are now becoming

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more open. Like, no, let's let's open this up. Oh, Atlantis. Let's talk about Atlantis. Let's

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talk about, you know, the devil in Wyoming is actually probably an old tree stump or or whatever,

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right? These things where the imagination starts to come in. And then at the end of the day,

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it doesn't matter what you call it, you can call it a Trinity or you can call it God in in

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perpetuity, right? There's no reason that that's semantic. This difference between, you know,

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the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit really in terms of what it means, it doesn't matter,

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right? Why do you have to? Why do you have to cut that like a razor when in fact, it doesn't matter,

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right? Well, I would say that there's a level of value because I've experienced an infinite

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amount of energy, frequency, vibration. So what does that mean? It means that God energy is very

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different to Tao energy and never ever dismiss either one. I always remind people when you

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dismiss someone's belief system, you dismiss your own. So understanding that interconnection. So

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I've the gradients of specifically, there was one podcast I had probably three or four back.

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just as if he was like, just pulling these incredible speeches of motivation out of the

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out of air. It was just mind blowing to me. And when I when I was speaking to him, he was very,

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very had a deep affinity with God and Jesus specifically. And when I looked at his field,

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Jesus was emanating from every aspect of I mean, it was almost like blinding the energy and the

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light coming from the sky. And so I was like, Okay, I know, you know, I believe in reincarnation,

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because look, I think it's a great idea. It's just not something I've ever read in the Bible

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that would validate that that's true. And I'm like, Hey, that's beautiful. So this is the part

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where he got a little mind blown. I said, Okay, so with that said, if I had to ask you a question,

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who, who if you had to believe you or someone you're in reincarnation of anybody, who do you

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think that might be? And he was about to say some I said, so I'll stop you right now. I can see that

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person in your field, and who you're reincarnation of. And he goes, Okay, I'm like, I'm going to tell

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you who it is. And then you can validate whether it's real or not. And I said, you're reincarnation

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of Martin Luther King. And he went, Oh, my goodness. Oh, 10, that was 10,000% going to be accurate,

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and it freaked him out. And, but it was a validation that is undeniable. And these are the

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sorts of things that take place, whether it's on a, on a physical level, on a mental emotional level,

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on a spiritual level. And people like, Well, how do you, how did you do that? Well, I'm just

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training my sensory perception to be more aware of these things. And working with this type of stuff

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for over 30 years, very easy for me to access that, like my visual, appear, my visual to your

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visual would be completely different. When I look at everything, it looks like a computer screen

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that's made up of all these incredible colors. And all I have to do is put my attention, intention to

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something, and it will draw up information. And it will give me a whole myriad of different stuff

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that people are like, How could you possibly know that? Well, I don't know anything. I'm just

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accessing the information. And that's kind of like consciousness. That's all it is. And so he kind

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of freaked out at that. More than the Akashic, right? Have you heard? I mean, is it just the

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Akashic records? Just, yes, I've heard of that. No, I wouldn't say so. I mean, we don't define it as,

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as the Akashic records. Like I just had a dear friend of mine, Jusenia, who's a psychic medium,

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I guess. Yeah, you call it that. And she was just on my podcast, I just released her, her episode

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just yesterday. And she accesses the Akashic records. And so you know, you, you, you look at

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this stuff, and you look at the information, it's kind of like operating in a trance, you could go

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from. And I assume that you guys have at some point explored, you know, hypnosis to some degree,

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right? Not really. Really? I have to some degree, but probably not to the degree you're speaking

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of. Right, right. And you know, it's, it's more the fear based thing of losing control of, of your

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ship. The reality is, is if you have a cell phone, if you're listening to my voice, if you're emotional,

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have you ever been emotional before? 100% right, then you're suggestible. That's as simple as that.

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So understanding how to layer something and it's not like the old Hollywood movies, look into my

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eye. I want you to follow my finger. That that type of stuff is interesting. And that came from

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a character back in the 1800s called Mesmer, which then coined the word mesmerized. And

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understanding that hypnosis has been around for thousands and thousands of years. If you want to

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regress back to some character by the name of Thoth within Egyptian history, a mystic that

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claims to have had the original access. Now, I don't really, hypnosis is very limited in relation

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to you're accessing your unconscious. That to me is very earth bound. When you're accessing all

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things, a higher level of frequency, there is a second to none experience that you will receive

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from that. Not just accessing someone's subconscious or unconscious, because there is a division

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between conscious, subconscious and unconscious. Even though some people would put unconscious

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and subconscious in the same category, but it's quite different. But getting back to the idea of

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their, everything has a different energy. Everything has a different frequency. I work with the big G

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as you would define as God. I work with JC all the time, Jesus Christ. Whatever I see in the field of

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the individual that has come to me for whatever reason, I'm going to work with those energies to

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achieve the high level of consciousness. May it be through physical, mental, emotional,

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and ultimately spiritual healing. And that's how it works. Well, I think that was one of the things

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that really captured my imagination about what Joe talks about. And a lot of people in social media

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talk about it, just words or spells. And so he taught me about how you speak to yourself,

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like the idea of blessing your food actually brings in food that says, I'm okay with this.

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I want this to be healthy to my body. And if we're like, oh, I'm eating too much and I shouldn't,

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we're dispelling our food. And it's that concept of the relationship that a thought,

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this is where Joe really got me, or, and you probably deeply understand this is that the thought

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creates the electrical signal, fires a chemical reaction in your body that you have to then make

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a judgment about. And that process is all started with words, you know, it's like,

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or, or their, their abouts, like it's kind of like, I know the thoughts can appear.

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Yeah. Well, how I explain it is everything in your life has a recipe of three things.

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Doesn't matter what it is right now, five seconds ago, an hour tomorrow, next week, last year,

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it's a thought feeling and an emotion. And what happens with that, that recipe is that evokes

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the alchemical response of the pituitary, pineal, and thalamus, which then creates the chemistry

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that uses the blood, which is a culture medium as the messenger that evokes a, a, a genetic

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expression or gene expression moreover, which then evokes the outcome within your physical body.

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Now that can be accessed through anything because your skin is your sensory perception. So it has

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little self receptors within your skin, all that information that you're taking in from outside of

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this physical body, which is basically the barometer on tuning fork of your reality.

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That is the thing that registers your ex your experience. So when you're ascending from a 3d

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to a 4d to a 5d, and the 5d is kind of like something that most people I've noticed have

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been evoking through external forces, may it be ayahuasca, LSD, whatever it is, I can give you an

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out of body experience using nothing more than the chemistry you're able to evoke through your pineal

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gland. And that comes from mastering the energy. When you master those 50 trillion cells, which

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Daoists are second to none at when it comes to the mastery of energy, the internal alchemy is what we

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have a reputation for our affinity with the universe has been going on for 10,000 years.

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A very well known celebrity in the last 50 years, who happened to can he came to me about two or

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three months ago, and I did a couple of episodes of my podcast about was a guy by the name of Bruce

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Lee. As I briefly had a Dallas master that he worked with. And there was a lot of sort of back

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and forth, but understanding how to, to, to cultivate and move that energy like a one inch

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punch. I could teach anyone that I could teach a 50 pound woman that that's four foot, take her fist

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and drive it through the chest of a 300 pound gorilla and throw them across the room, 10 and 20

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feet. And that has to do with transferring the energy and how you transfer it. And it happens in

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the pico second, as does everything. That's why everything is instantaneous, like manifestation,

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healing, magic, creativity, all stems from a thought, feeling and emotion. And so evoking that

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is how you affect change. And you need to validate it through the feeling. The feeling is the starting

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point. And so when you start to master the feeling where your attention intention can go anywhere

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and move the energy any way you want, then you start to do, you know, crazy stuff, palpating the

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pineal gland, oscillating the crystals, creating what some people would call a hallucinogenic sort

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of experience. Well, you know, that's what I'm having right now. You guys are sitting here talking

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to me, the walls have fallen away. And I'm sitting in the middle of the universe, getting high as a

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kite running sun energy through me right now. And it feels really good. And so understanding that and

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being conscious, and I'm not looking like I'm, I've had three drinks and, you know, party the last

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six days. That's not how I mean, when you start to really harness the energy, that's, that's your

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consciousness, that's your chemical response all day, every day. And you know, a lot of the gurus,

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you'll see them in that state where man, that guy looks high. I mean, or he's just sitting there is

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really, hey, man, relax, relax, because you can access and change the chemistry any way you want,

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whenever you want, however you want. And the more and more you validated through the confirmation

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of your experience in this realm, makes it real to you. And then it changes the state. But you know,

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you need to have experiences that validate that. So when you've been using practices that you may

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have experienced through Joe Dispenza, what are the most profound experiences that you've evoked from

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his methods? Listening to the process of the electrical charge to the chemical charge, and then

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recognizing, I'll tell you a very simple story that helped me understand it. I was walking my dog,

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across the street was another dog that was unleashed. And my dog has a little bit of a

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charge instinct, likes to bark. And I watched it happen. The dog came across the street,

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and I fell over and hit my foot really hard on the, on a rock. And my first thought process was,

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okay, I kind of immediately went to Joe and I said, what happens if I don't freak out and bring a lot

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of negative energy to this moment? What if I just accept it? And it was healed in about 12 hours.

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Like it was like, I thought I had broken my foot and it was swollen, and to it was completely healed.

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And I think that was the beginning for me to really go, okay, there's something going on here

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that I actually can control. Because even like the fruit of the spirit of from love all the way to

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self-control, self-control is the point is for us to be able to control ourselves. And learning that

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control mechanism was huge for me. And it allowed me to realize, okay, how much of trauma is stored

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negative energy? And that's what I've known for a long time, but it proved it at that moment.

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Right. Right. I would say that the faster the healing and that was completely hinged on

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your suspension of disbelief, and the fact that you're fighting with yourself and understanding

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that this is possible. And you sort of like surrendered to a moment. And you're beside yourself

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that within 12 hours it was gone. And so that's the beginning of something profound, just in and

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of itself, understanding that. And I mean, that's what I get back to when I talk about my app. And

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what I was trying to get to was the, when you validate, you can validate your experience every

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day. How does that work? Well, I can take you once you've exposed to the app the first time.

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And interestingly enough, you talk about control. Well, it's about mastering your emotions,

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because that's the first thing you need to realize is a simulation. When you realize that,

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and you can go my emotions over there, sit, stay, and I'll let you know if I'm interested in using

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you at any particular point, this is a part of the mastery. And you do that within the Way126 app,

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you master your emotions. And that's the first baseline as a priest. That's the first baseline

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from my experience is to be able to realize that's a simulation. That's not real. People like,

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excuse me, what? Now all thoughts of your mind are not real. And when you evolve to a level of

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consciousness and realize you are not of this body, what can harm you? Whoa. And for years,

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I kept saying this to my mother, she'd be like, I don't want to die. You're not gonna die. It's

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understanding the separation of that and consciousness is not between your ears.

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Consciousness is all things. And when you access that, you access all the information. So the

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validation of that on a day to day basis, what I meant to say was once you experience the app once,

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you can go away, not use it, walk into a really busy room, create a confrontation if you choose

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to have someone else just because you're human. Your humanist is begging you to validate something

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you're under high stress, high emotional stress, close your eyes, call in the experience you've

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already been exposed to. Because once you see it, you cannot unsee it. And you can't you count nine

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times, take a breath in and out, hold it for nine seconds, and you will eliminate and erase the

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emotional content that you're in. And that's how you are able to measure on a daily basis.

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This stuff is really working for me. I'm not just sitting here going, I feel really relaxed when I

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go in here. It kind of seems like I'm, I'm completely high. And I've done this for 27 minutes.

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And once I go back to my real world stuff, I'm, I'm out of luck, because now I've got some real

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problems because my job has pressure, my life has pressure, my real world perception of reality.

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And that's where you get to discern the noise. And you use your neurology, your tuning fork to

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realize you are all powerful. Well, I think this is what I love about science now is it's discovering

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that a lot of what's happening in any moment that you perceive as trauma is really a release

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of some kind of dopamine. And you're basically captured by it because it turns off your prefrontal

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cortex. And I think what I love about what you're saying, which is true, a lot of the solutions,

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I don't say solutions, but a lot of the practices that I've found is it's in that first 10 to 90

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seconds. Like the most dopamine lasts no longer than five or six seconds. They can go to 15,

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but your idea of holding your breath is getting you past that immediate hit to then let this come

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back on. And there's a tremendous amount of power there. Well, yeah, I mean, we, we have thousands of

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different respiration practices from embryonic breathing to primordial breathing, understanding

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that when you, when your consciousness, you don't breathe from your, your physical anatomy. So we're

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breathing from consciousness. It's no lie. I mean, I, the longest I've held my breath was, you know,

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well over 20 minutes up to 27 minutes. I've seen David Blaine hold his breath for over 40. And so

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hang on a second. Yeah, he did. And, and I've actually witnessed it here in Vegas when I've

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watched him live. And so understanding that it has nothing to do with the simplicity. I like to always

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help you like help people understand you have an incredible foundation. What I would suggest to you

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on your journey of exploration of consciousness would be, except you know nothing and you know

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everything. I think I'm, I think I'm sitting on the doorstep of that. I feel like I'm rich and I

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have been exploring the concept of nothingness this year in conversations and what it means to be no

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thing. And I think a lot of that is the separation from our ego to become what's the third one,

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all things or, but it's this, it's this journey away from our ego and towards consciousness. I,

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I've definitely experienced consciousness. I tell Rich every night I walk my dog and I really focus

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very deeply on, I'm, it's what Virginia Drake on our last episode called dropping into your heart.

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And I'm learning to do that, that this, this is really hard. If you live just here in the head,

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it's really hard to live disconnected from your heart. And as men, men are, they shut, we shut

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down our heart and live primarily in our brain. And I'm learning to do the opposite. I'm learning

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to drop in. And I had an experience a couple of nights ago where it was, it was a Friday night

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and I had a physical sensation of the difference between being up here and being down here. And

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all of a sudden I realized, oh shit, when I'm down here, all my security mechanisms are disabled.

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And that's a scary place for a lot of people to be, but it was where all the richness of experience

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and energy is. Well, Jonathan, you know, you've, you've been on the heart journey and been,

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you know, manifesting it for a long time. I'm the one that we talked about. I'm the polemicist here,

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San, San, and I've lived in the world of the head and I've been called out on a couple of occasions

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by people on a plane and a gal in our small group about like tapping into that heart. So

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the way I've been able to tap into it without any kind of other intentionality is to do it through

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TM. And I guess one of the things that I wanted to ask you about, because when we talk about science,

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you have a science of 27 minutes with your app, but the science of TM says 20 minutes in the morning.

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Well, I think you said 27 minutes in the app, right?

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No, I said 27. We work in numbers. We work in the numbers, the letters, they're all integrated

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deep within your DNA. Understanding the replication. Oh, it's the way 126. Sorry about that.

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Yeah, yeah. So the way 126 is all got to do with the power of nine within Taoism. That's the highest

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number. Got it. So the reason why you, 20 minutes, twice a day in our, in TM is because your mind is

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racing for 15 minutes, then you can go to the unified field for five. And then by the time you

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do it in the afternoon, I think it kind of hits you a little bit better. It's like that memory.

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So tell me a little bit about your app and what, and can you go through the logistics of,

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because I'm very interested already. I want to get to that place where I feel I felt the unified

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field. And when I do my TM, I can feel something in the prefrontal. It's definitely not the pineal

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gland, but I definitely feel something physiological when I'm in this, in the presence and I'm doing

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it right. And one of the things I loved about TM compared to mindfulness meditation or other kind of

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meditation is that it was just effortless, right? Even Cameron Diaz, if she can do it,

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anybody can do it, right? That's her claim to fame. And they do have the celebrities, right? So TM

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does have David Lynch and that whole gang. But in terms of what you're talking about, can you walk

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us through a little bit about why that kind of period of time is important and how that helps

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your folks and the people that you know? Yeah, yeah. First and foremost, you know,

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understanding how you access everything. I mean, everything is instantaneous. So the second you

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turn on the way 126, the sound permeates your neurology, i.e. your vagus nerve, which is the

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maestro and conductor of all things, every cell in your body. Collectively, you might have an

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argument with a neurologist whether it accesses your spleen or not. But I can tell you once you

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turn on the 50 trillion cells and access that 0.07 millivolts of electricity within each cell,

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and you've collectively unified them as you have used the word to describe it as,

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you will feel everything. So when someone just disputes the idea, there's no third eye,

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there's nothing behind here, you can't feel anything, the brain is sympathetically

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innovated that way, there's no way you're going to feel it. I can promise you, I can have you feel

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every part of your physical body, and then everything outside of that, because that's the

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mastery that we're speaking of. And that's how you're able to validate your experience. It doesn't

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come from so your head could be running all day long. But when you feel it, that's the green light

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that you're, you're in a state of consciousness and your brain. I've done so many EGs on people

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that have used this stuff, the response is always the same, you evoke a gamma frequency, the brain

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wave frequency, and then you're able to play with that. Once you envelop the whole brain, then you

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can play in the theta and the alpha state, while completely highly conscious, not highly anxious,

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whereas more of a beta frequency would be in that state. So when you hit 27 minutes, you have really

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like 27 minutes, I would equate to eight hours of meditation, eight hours of sleep, eight hours of

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relaxation, just from that one hit. And the biggest test for that is you validate it. I can explain it

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to you, but I'm not going to have you, I'm not going to go, listen, it's going to do that. No,

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you will validate it. And your neurology will speak on that. Because understanding how the

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mirror neurons work within your brain, this is happening instantaneously. So as soon as you're

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access to any material, you're able to replicate that instantaneously within your neurology.

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So this is a really powerful thing. Now, I explain it that way. Now, before that, before I would use,

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you know, scientific terms or quantum physics or anything of that nature, within Taoism, we talk

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about what we call mirror magic, where you're replicating the external with the internal,

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the internal with the external, the old expression, you are the field, the field is you, you are the

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universe, the universe is you, everything is all encapsulated, or broken down to more holographic,

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sort of like model of understanding how we're simulating wave to light to matter to particle,

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i.e. what you perceive right now is your reality. So that timeframe, and like I said,

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you could literally spend the first couple of seconds. And there's what we call what I call

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nine transitions that lead you into the experience that brings up to the 27 minutes. And those nine

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transitions are specific things that work with your unconscious. And then the last three transitions

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out of the nine are specifically wiring up the brain, the heart and the gut. So you synchronize

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those three, then you go into the experience itself. And, and, you know, I've had everything

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from miraculous healings to epiphanies to spiritual encounters to I'm, I'm conscious,

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I've never been more conscious. I'm a magician, I'm doing healings at will, all these things take

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place, because you're opening to high levels of consciousness, understand that when you layer

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yourself, and that's why I said, when you accept you know nothing, you know everything, it's because

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you speak on the power of the words, words, linguistics can be encapsulated within many

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things. And I like, it's very important for me, I don't I define myself as a Taoist master,

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only because that's what is titled with being an ordained priest in two lineages of Taoism.

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I don't call myself a master, per se, because I have an ego the size of Wyoming, that understanding,

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and it's really important because the student is the teacher, the teacher is the student walking

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away from interaction with you guys today, we we we expand on all knowing collectively. And that

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singular expression comes from an epiphany that we're all having right now, through our interaction

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and, and frequency change exchange. And that sort of comes to a higher level. But getting back to

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when you accept, you know nothing, you know everything, it's, it's really important that

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you guys are highly intellectual thinkers. And that, you know, if you were to go to the emotion,

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because of the programming you're in, anxiety and fear are emotions that you work and struggle with

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the most. And that then replicates into OCD and other behaviors of that nature. And because you

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are the same, you are so entwined from how you process in your friendship, you mimic and mirror

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very similar physical and psychological sort of makeups. Does that make sense?

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For sure. No, I mean, it's, there's been definitely times when we've come alongside the same ideas or

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thoughts and things have come together, right? There's definitely that that synergy. And I mean,

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we lead our podcast by Jonathan saying I'm a little left of center and I say I'm a little

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right of center, but it's still, you know, we did, we did a transgender episode where we both kind

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of came together on the same page because it was all about leading with love and don't hurt kids,

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you know, and that kind of thing, right? So it was easy to get aligned on the right types of things

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instead of like throwing stones, you know? Right. We are different. We have very different backgrounds.

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So we take different approaches. I think I'm a lot more risky than Rich, but he still tries.

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So we have a lot in common and a lot that's different. Yeah. Yeah. It always, it's always,

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it's very, very simple. Psych, clairvoyant, psychic 101. You attract what is within you.

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Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Rich and I were attracted because we're, we do have similar journeys,

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you know, especially around our faith. Yeah. Yeah. And by no way was I attempting to make

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the character. It was more an observation of understanding the synchronicity, but more so

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you limit yourself when you come from, and I always remind people, it's when you come from

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psychology, biology, physiology, it's a very limited place to start because you have a preconceived

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expectation or understanding of what is, and that can be good and bad and indifferent. Understand

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that if you layer it as a foundation of something and then expand from that, and that's what most

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humans find very difficult because that information has already been put in the computer. So what

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you're saying is, Hey, guess what? I think this way I'm open to this, but the linguistics speak

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differently. So if you sit here and you listen to someone, so if we just do, and because I'm sort of

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have a, you know, I, I interview mentalists, illusionists, hypnotists, psychotherapists,

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whatever you want to call yourself, there's always a place and a time for everything. And so, you

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know, the, the Godfather of, you know, do you know what Tony, have you heard of Tony Robbins

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before? Yeah. And what's he the Godfather of? What's he the Godfather of? Do you know?

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Rather than just being a motivational speaker, he's actually a master manipulator. So he was

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the seed in the beginning of what we call a thing called, which they've coined that now, you talk

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about words as dispensers referred to it within the hours, and we call it incantations. So the

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power of incantations applied to what we call talismans, where you're constructing a specific

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type of like magic, you're drawing it out, and then you're imprinting it with the incantation,

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what we would call the prayer, right? The prayer or yeah, whatever. And so that is very powerful. So

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NLP, which you've probably heard of neuro linguistic programming, that's Tony Robbins's

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bread and butter. That's how he made his millions. So there is levels and degrees of understanding.

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Now I look at that and I go, when I see it, I'm like, okay, I'm okay if people identify and

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they're able to tell people that's what they're doing. But when they collectively do it in a way

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that is sort of manipulative, I then have no mercy for someone when I viscerate them. Because

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there's a manipulation that comes with that. And a lot of politicians, motivational speakers,

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they all do the same type of thing. I'm a salesperson, I'm a motivator, and it's not good.

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I mean, it's so powerful, right? Just like Jonathan said, words are so powerful. You had that

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epiphany, that realization, and people need to understand that that's the foundation of everyone

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s basically growth of consciousness is realizing how powerful those words are, number of symbols,

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words, letters, they're all integrated into your DNA that is going back lifetimes. And that could

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be measured by the scientific facts back in the, well, the 90s, we were talking about heart math,

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which then, you know, dispenser leans on that. And then we have, you know, physicists back in the

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early 2000s, who deciphered the code within a DNA strand, which came up with the God code, right,

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which you're probably familiar with, you know, what does it say? What did it say? What did it say?

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God eternal in this body. I mean, look, but we can program anything if I sit here long enough,

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and I chant a mantra, audibly or inaudibly in my mind, it will permeate the very field and essence

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of everything around us, and it will be received by you, regardless of your mindset. Does that make

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sense? Just as your information is coming to me, I, my information is coming to you, we are all one.

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And when we realize that all these things are taking place, so the epigenetic model of

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understanding the environment affects the genes, you're a product of your environment, your

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thoughts can switch on and off your gene expression is an epiphany that, you know, you know, what's his

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name Lipton had back in the 60s, playing around with stem cells, bringing it up to the forefront,

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and sort of like translating this into an understanding within a language called science,

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that people can go, Oh, that crazy ancient stuff that Dallas, San Quentin does is quantified in a

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language. And that's why I find that I appreciate these types of people that are bringing this

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information in. And then I can lean on and go, Okay, this experience that you had is a complete

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reflection of this, this and this. And here are the mechanisms that will help you understand how you

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had that experience, how you feel this way, why you're perceiving your reality to this degree. And

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it's so beautiful when when Jonathan talks about how you feel it in the heart. But I mean,

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understanding that if you sit on the couch of some psychiatrist or psych psychologist, and they work

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through what's going on up here, it's never going to be resolved, reflected of the actual trauma and

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all the other energy that is permeated in the heart itself, because you have a brain in your heart,

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that is equivalent to the brain you have in in your skull. And so all that trauma that we speak

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of that you become really familiar with that emotional trauma is stored there. And from a

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Taoist, ancient Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, we observe that the most powerful

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remedy for any Chinese medicine is energetics. So that's the qigong. And that's where we lean on

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respiration. Qigong in definition means moving energy with your breath, and nígong, which we

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work on, which is moving energy with your mind. And so you you culminate the two, and you create

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this experience where you become quite masterful. But that understanding, that powerful understanding

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that Jonathan had with his dog, and he was able to perceive and receive this, this physiological

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healing that was, you know, miraculous, in your opinion, within 12 hours, it was gone, you're I

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sprained my ankle or whatnot. It brings me back to one of my first entry experiences from a

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physiological level, many decades ago, when I was first starting to learn distance healing. There

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was a moment where, you know, I'd gone through this particular ritual and training, and I had all the

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the doc, the notes and everything. And I was sort of like, okay, when harm got a phone call from my

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friend, old rotary phone, you know how it works. And I'm like, Okay, what's going on? I can't meet

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you today. Okay, all right. Okay, next week. And she's like, Yeah, I'm kind of bummed. And I was

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just about to get off the phone. I said, Whoa, hang on, hang on. I have I'm literally sitting here

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looking at this. I'm like, let me try something. You're like, what are you talking about? What do

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you mean? I've got a sprained ankle. I can't meet you this week. It's the size of a watermelon.

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It's not going to happen. I'm like, let me try this. I just was exposed to this today. Now this

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is what I talk about childlike state. And this is where we go back to the

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childlike state. And this is where we go back to, except you know nothing. And I only say that for

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people to really embrace what's in the present moment and understanding that the universe doesn't

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have a moral compass. It is clearly related to the present moment, there, the past, future,

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and present are culminated as one. And when you understand your gift is your offering,

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which is the cycle of all things, and the gift is the present,

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blammo. Right now, I'm sitting there and I'm going hang on a second before we get off.

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One, two, three, I'm going through this list, reading it out. Okay. Now I'm going to do this

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next thing. She says, what? I'm just going to speak a few words. And this is the power that

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Jonathan talks about words. And let's see what happens. She's like, okay. I said, heal, heal,

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heal, heal, heal, heal. And then the next words were expletives that I'll leave off your podcast,

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but it starts with the abbreviation of WTF. And she's like, what are you doing? I'm like,

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what am I doing? I've not honestly, I have no idea what I'm doing. I just read off this instruction

559
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sheet, how I'm supposed to do this. I went through it, processed it. Then I spoke the words that

560
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,480
were necessary to evoke the change. And she goes, my ankle was the size of a bowling ball,

561
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,920
it's disappeared. And now I'm standing on it. Oh, my gosh. And I, you know what I said? I said,

562
00:55:49,920 --> 00:56:00,160
I said, I said, I said, I said, I said bullshit. And she's like, I'm not kidding you. I don't know

563
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,880
what kind of weird stuff you're into. You're freaking me out right now. And I'm like, this is

564
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:10,960
just a connection. Well, and what I put this down to on every miraculous healing that I've been

565
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,120
bed witness to, and I've seen thousands of them. I mean, I could write a book and there's nothing I

566
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,560
haven't seen. So if you can think of your wildest imagination of a healing, I've seen it before my

567
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:27,360
very eyes. And so when that happened to her, I was like, look, all I did was read off the script,

568
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:34,560
in my acceptance, and this is a key factor of Taoism, accepting and allowing, and what we call

569
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,920
Wu Wei, which is effortless action, effortless effort. And then you access what we call the Wu

570
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,440
Ji, which is the stillness between the breath in and out, which is the breath in and out, Yong and

571
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,720
Yin. And that's where you access the stillness. And you know, that's how I attribute it to it.

572
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:56,640
And ever since my level of consciousness accessing, you know, channeling Latsu, my teacher,

573
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,840
the information is direct, instantaneous. And that's how things roll out. So if I'm doing

574
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,680
something that would be a telekinesis sort of experience where you want to see something

575
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,200
like psychokinesis, if I take a spoon, and I met and I bend it before your very eyes,

576
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,240
a really heavy piece of metal, there's a level of consciousness you dip into between three,

577
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,560
four and five D, and you will feel it. And things start to wiggle, they start to transform before

578
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:30,640
your very eyes, and you feel like you're on some type of hallucinogen. But then the matter itself

579
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:39,760
reverses back into wave light, bam. And then the miracle is that you can tangibly validate that in

580
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:46,240
this 3d reality. And that's when it becomes really, what was funny is and I shouldn't I shouldn't be

581
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:54,320
it's something so trivial. In that I manifested a win in my fantasy football game this this Sunday,

582
00:57:54,320 --> 00:58:01,520
this Sunday, in that I had already envisioned writing a post. So I've been sucking ass. And so

583
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:08,480
I've won the last two games. And I was dead in the water for this particular week where my my

584
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,840
quarterback went down. So you probably familiar with fantasy, it's a big weight time stock.

585
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,840
But in my mind, I'd already written out three games, three victories, three quarterbacks with

586
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,240
a combined score of 21 points that I was going to send to them. And I've already I willed it. And

587
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:28,720
then I watched as I went from a 12 to 18 or 20% chance of winning to one point being in the nines,

588
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:36,880
to winning by 1.5 points through a set of miraculous kinds of movements. That's silly,

589
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,560
but I think at the same time, it just means I mean, and I think we want to focus on things

590
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,480
that are really helpful that are what we want to think about is how do we heal what's going on in

591
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,560
Hamas and Israel? How do we engender things? And I guess sometimes we get caught up in the grandiose

592
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,640
and we need to focus on the minute in the day to day. And if we focus on the minute day to day,

593
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,280
and we have enough people that are focusing on the little bit of things then that can cause the

594
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,640
larger, you know, greater, the butterfly and the wind, right? Or what have you, right?

595
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:13,040
Well, yeah, it's just really important. So if I lean on those types of things that are more

596
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:22,960
or what some people might call, you know, an individual validation, I do it specifically to

597
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,080
create a level of consciousness and awareness to that individual, whether it's a physical healing,

598
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,480
whether it's, you know, doing something that is of a higher level of consciousness, like,

599
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:40,880
you know, erasing PTSD within a second on anybody. You know, these types of things validate

600
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:48,320
the individual's experience, and then they become a replication of a higher frequency that then adds

601
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:54,720
to the collective, amplifying this singular that we speak of, and then that's able to ripple out

602
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:00,320
into all things, which it's always a win. So you're winning at your fantasy football is

603
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:06,480
another validation. And that level of consciousness then increases. So, you know, I always tell people

604
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:12,320
if you want to, and I have a manifestation video on my YouTube channel, it goes into great detail

605
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:19,200
how to access manifestation, and it has to do with the feeling. And the feeling is critical. So if you

606
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:29,280
understand the default of a human being is creativity, then that is instant gamma brain

607
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:37,040
wave. Pure creativity is pure reality. The creativity becomes the reality, correct?

608
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:43,520
Yeah. And so when you, and I always use music as a basic one, you take any song that you have,

609
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:51,040
any song that's your favorite, you have a moment where you are resonating at that high frequency

610
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:57,760
that makes you feel good, the chorus, the beat, the song itself. Well, that artist, when creating

611
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:04,400
that music, imprinted the gamma brain wave into that peak. That's why you feel so good. You're

612
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:10,400
like, oh man, wait, wait, wait, the chorus and then da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and man, I'm really

613
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:17,040
feeling it. That is that moment of consciousness where you can manifest, create, heal, or cast

614
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,480
magic. And you're like, whoa, what? That sort of sounds benign. I promise you, take what I just

615
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:29,360
said, go out, find your favorite song and do just that and watch how fast your manifestations turn

616
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:35,280
into reality because that's the pico second stuff and that happens that quickly. And I think I've

617
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:41,200
got like 20,000 views on that. Everyone walks away going, I can't believe I just manifested

618
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:49,200
a bag of money, a new job, the hottest girl of my dreams, whatever it is, the moral compass is not

619
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:55,040
generated from the universe. The moral compass is not generated from a higher level of consciousness.

620
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,880
It is generated from your humanist, your perceived reality, and that sort of leads into what we call

621
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:06,720
a duality, which will always keep you limited. So what does that mean? It means that understanding

622
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,280
that there is no right or wrong, there is no up or down. And people are like, Sifu, that's crazy.

623
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,600
Now you're just screwing with my mind. It doesn't make any sense. I'm like, the ultimate goal of

624
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,320
a Taoist is there's a yin and yang, there's polarizing, right? Up and down, in and out.

625
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,280
Each side of a mountain, one's yin, one's yang. You get to the top of the mountain, the peak,

626
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,720
and everything becomes one with everything. So now all of a sudden you have being. When you're

627
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:36,560
at being, this is this consciousness that we talk of, Dispenser talks of a high level of

628
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:43,440
consciousness, a coherence that makes it possible to do all these things that you would perceive

629
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:49,360
as superhuman. They're quite human. That's part of the humanist, part of the human being,

630
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:57,200
is being able to access this entry point. But when we compartmentalize, when we give it category,

631
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:03,440
or definition, or title, is where you become limited. It's where the manifestation doesn't

632
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,080
take place. The healing doesn't take place. It was like, Jonathan had that epiphany when he fell

633
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:14,160
over and hurt his ankle. He said, well, what would Dr. Joe do? And then you had a little dialogue

634
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:20,480
with him on a, and that already is another level of perception that maybe you're not even validating,

635
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:28,320
but you were speaking of it in your mind. You didn't use your mouth, but you heard it. So you

636
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:34,640
could hear something that was inaudible. Yeah. So boom, boom, boom. All of a sudden you went from

637
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:41,360
five senses to eight senses instantaneously. You're doing it right there and you are able to go,

638
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:47,440
hang on a second, boom. Now, when you access these high levels of consciousness to heal or manifest

639
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,400
or do anything of that nature, that's visibly in front of you that takes place at that moment,

640
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:59,840
there must be a dilution of title. Everything falls away. There is no right or wrong. There's

641
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:07,360
no up or down. Everything is as one. So this Mike, you guys, me, all of us converge as one thing.

642
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:15,040
And we are just pure consciousness. And so it goes from third person, first person, no person.

643
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:21,040
Does that make sense? There can't be good or evil if you're in the unified field. There's no duality.

644
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:27,280
There's both. The unified field is a conscious, it's like he said, I like that analogy.

645
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:34,800
The peak, it's both sides of the mountain. Virginia Drake last week called the road less traveled is

646
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:42,720
the line in between the yin and the yang, which is the brain. Which is the Wuji, which as Daoists,

647
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,360
because yin and yang, it's like a universal thing. Everyone goes, well, what is that? You're a Daoist.

648
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,120
What does that mean? Have you ever seen the yin and yang? Yeah, look, I got a tattoo on my arm.

649
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,840
Well, there you go. That's immigrated at a higher level. And people don't even realize they're

650
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:03,200
resonating with this messagerie that has been around for 10 or 20 years, even when Jade Emperor

651
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:08,880
was roaming the earth 20,000 years ago, then into the yellow emperor, who was the guy who created

652
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:14,880
China, which then created like Chinese medicine, alternative healing, all that infrastructure was

653
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:21,120
from 10,000 years ago. And so you have all the sense. If you really think about it, as human

654
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:25,440
beings, we create derivatives almost if we're in a lack of consciousness, we're always going to sort

655
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:31,360
of get negative. But there's always been enough people in history to bring about a level of

656
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,920
understanding of consciousness. Because the one I can point to is Jesus. Jesus brought about the

657
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:40,960
idea of grace, which is a both and it's a grace is both and it's both sides of the mountain.

658
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:48,320
And a lot of other faith traditions or journeys, they've all said the same thing. But now science

659
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,400
is now saying, Oh, guess what, we're discovering this thing called the unified field in math. And

660
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:58,480
guess what, it looks like the kingdom of heaven. It's there's a weird convergence happening,

661
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:05,520
not to use Joe's word, but just life is beginning to shift dramatically, because

662
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:13,200
life doesn't look anything like when we were kids. Yeah, no, no, no, I concur. I mean, but I'm also

663
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:19,600
having conversations with people that still believe in Newtonian physics. So yeah, you know, I mean,

664
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:27,200
he was a mason. You know, he was still trying to find some meteorite underneath the planet

665
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:32,480
to tap into the power source instead of the heart, right? They're looking for power.

666
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,920
If you believe in all the conspiracy, but I mean, there's been a lot, you know, the whole,

667
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:44,880
they're missing the point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And I mean, that goes back to Darwin's

668
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:51,040
theory. And then, you know, we're still operating on those three type of constructs of reality,

669
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:56,080
just within Darwin's theory, that, you know, reverts back to what we've been subject to for

670
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:02,800
the last couple of years, right down to, you know, attrition by, you know, famine and other things

671
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:08,720
of that nature. That's how, you know, his observation of equalizing the reality due to the

672
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,680
fact that human beings replicate much faster than plants. So how are we going to feed a population

673
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:21,120
that's in excess? We need to homeostasis, we need to regulate that. When, of course, that's quite

674
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:27,760
a fallacy, but, you know, we go down that rabbit hole. I mean, conspiracy theory in of itself was

675
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:35,520
designed by someone creating some psychological construct to deceive you in its nature. And I

676
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:41,040
think it came back to some type of organization that might be government in their nature that

677
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:48,240
created these types of mind prisons that we speak of. And so, you know, I mean, it layers on and on

678
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:56,640
and on. But I mean, Darwin's theory is who hasn't heard the good old fashioned one, survival of the

679
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,920
fittest. And that's Darwin's theory. That's straight out of his mouth. And we're still replicating it

680
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:09,280
now in 2023. And people are like, Yeah, you know, just, you know, that's how it works. And I'm no,

681
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:17,280
yeah, we've shifted. A lot of people say that doesn't work anymore. No, it's a consciousness

682
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:23,040
level raising that says, Wait a minute, no matter how it's not religious based, it's just human

683
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,680
based. That doesn't work. And a lot of people are really beginning to I think that's that

684
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:32,800
consciousness shift that I see happening. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it's really when you use that

685
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:38,400
word. It's most people are still like, What is that? What does that even mean? Like, I don't even

686
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:44,240
know what that means. And that's like, I really love that part of like Bruce Lee. Back in the 70s,

687
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:49,760
just before he died, he did a couple of interviews. And it's like, because he was he was practicing

688
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:56,400
Taoism. So it was like, that, you know, flow like water, my friend, is the consciousness. And so you

689
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:03,680
have that rippling effect that echoing. And like today, now it's, you know, the forefront of most

690
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:10,800
people's first observation, what is, you know, what is awareness, that is meditation, what is

691
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:16,640
consciousness that is being aware, I mean, two of the same up and down in and out, a higher level of

692
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:22,800
sensory perception. I mean, this is how we've sort of like evolved that, you know, if you 20 years

693
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:27,120
ago, you you couldn't get on the internet and look up psychic mediums that wouldn't have existed.

694
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:36,000
Also, we have seen there's a dramatic shift between even my generation, I'm Gen X. And my

695
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,600
kids generation, millennials and down, they don't have the religious baggage that our generations

696
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:47,680
do. So that resistance, I don't see any of that in their generation. They start with homosexuality

697
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:52,480
is not a problem. They start with religion is for the masses, and I'm not interested. They start

698
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:59,440
from this idea that but they're also missing out on hope, because the world is kind of a weird,

699
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:06,560
bleak place right now. And I think we're at a place where something's got to change.

700
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:12,960
Right, right. No, no, we're at that point. No, no, I would, I would agree with you. But

701
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,640
there's sort of like a cycle spirituality, religion, this is a cycle that human,

702
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:24,480
human humanity has been going through for hundreds of years. And so you go through these cycles,

703
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:32,080
my most, the most interesting thing that I'm observing is this dismissal. And when you dismiss

704
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:37,440
religion, you also dismiss people's belief systems. Unfortunately, this country has been punished by

705
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:43,280
it. But let's be honest, take a dollar bill, and know what the foundation of this country came from,

706
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:49,600
which was in God, you can go on. Right. And so there's a level of that. And being a Dallas

707
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,480
priest, people would be completely blown away when I tell them one of my favorite pastors in the world

708
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:01,600
is Joel Osteen. And people like, Whoa, what is wrong with you? Yeah. Have you lost your mind?

709
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:08,240
Is this guy, this guy's just a ponzi scheme done in money laundering, God knows what, I mean,

710
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:13,200
they go through this whole gamut of different things. When you understand how channeling works,

711
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:19,200
and you go and watch one of his sermons, there is a shift of energy that takes place with this guy

712
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:25,360
that is second to none. And how do I know this? I do this all day long. And it is really, really

713
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:32,400
profound. And, you know, he gets me so deep. It's like in the end when he goes, and now it's time

714
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:38,080
for you to take Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior into your heart. I'm like, damn straight, I'm coming in.

715
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:45,120
I'm in Jesus wherever you want. I'm here. I'm in. I'm in brother high five on that one. And it's

716
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:50,080
like there's that beautiful collective that comes with that. And so you know, I mean,

717
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:56,320
when you dismiss that, and especially with your, your, you know, your children's generation,

718
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,000
there's this psychosis that's going on too. And we need to be aware of that.

719
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:02,560
Very much so.

720
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:07,600
And so there's a lot of like, there's like this, you don't understand, but I've had, I've had

721
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,960
friends that have paid absorbent amounts of money for higher education for their children,

722
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,960
to literally the last couple of years want to lynch them because they had a different belief system.

723
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,760
So it's kind of like, hang on a second, you're training someone to believe a certain thing and

724
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,880
be trained in the thought process that then becomes very limited. Right. And you're like,

725
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:32,480
hang on a second, what? This doesn't even make sense. How is that possible? And, hey, I spent

726
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:39,840
$400,000 to have someone, someone of my children tell me I'm a racist. Wow, that's kind of

727
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:45,280
blind blowing to me. When we all should get along, we all should accept and allow each other. But

728
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:51,680
then it's that programming that we speak of. So it's like, I'm really curious to see the dismissal

729
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,800
of that, the acceptance of spirituality, the realization, because there's this, there's this

730
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,440
like level of tolerance. We talk about, you know, you talk about homosexuality. That's a huge big

731
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:06,320
thing, especially within, you know, you know, originally, I'm originally from Australia. So

732
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:12,960
we have one of the biggest gay, gay communities, probably in the world, if not, I've never seen a

733
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,720
gay Mardi Gras, a gay Mardi Gras, bigger than the one that they put out through Sydney, Australia.

734
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:24,400
At the time, there was 3 million people that populate Sydney. And at the gay Mardi Gras,

735
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:31,600
there would be over 5 million people attending. So epicenter, that that type of, you know, madness.

736
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:37,680
But, you know, I personally, I have my own sexual preference, but I don't go around going, Hi, my

737
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:43,760
name is Dallas Master Sanquin. I am straight. It doesn't sort of enter my programming of how I

738
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,960
perceive a reality, or even somebody sort of like a level of judgment. But that's sort of like,

739
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:55,040
neither here nor there. But understanding that being all the same, that kind of acceptance,

740
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,800
and I mean, that's probably not so much the framework of like Christianity, right?

741
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:06,000
So Christianity is, I think, to a certain extent, historically lost, but kind of kind of

742
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:11,280
coming into its own. I think what's happening now is a lot of the bullshit factor of Christianity

743
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is being burned away. It's kind of like, yeah, that doesn't work.

744
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:21,360
Power structures, there's not only the abuse in the Catholic Church, but even in the Southern

745
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:26,480
Baptist Convention. And that's shown to be even more horrifying, because it's not hierarchical,

746
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:31,840
right? Each of these particular congregations has their own autonomy, instead of the archdiocese,

747
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:37,360
the bishop says, hey, let's scuttle this guy over here. And then they have to take him, right? In

748
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:43,280
this particular case, they're very aware of what's going on, and they're willingly sending them to be

749
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:48,400
predators at the next particular place. So push that aside, Jonathan. You're absolutely right.

750
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,320
We've lost our way in terms of that structured kind of Christianity, right?

751
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,600
Yeah, but what happens is you take that coating off, and you can start allowing the Spirit,

752
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:04,480
which is just energy, to move, finally. Because historically, the last 1800, 1900 years,

753
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:10,480
Christianity has been an extremely masculine, head-dominated faith. And it's never been able

754
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:17,120
to drop into the heart, like Jesus showed us. And now I think that is going away, and that

755
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:23,200
it's beginning to drop into its heart. Sure, sure. And I mean, again, always remember

756
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:27,440
your perception of your reality is your truth and your truth only the only truth that you need to

757
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:32,640
be concerned with. So everyone has a starting seed point. I always get a lot of these people that

758
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:39,760
are spiritual. I'm a guru, I'm a pastor, I'm a priest, I'm an enlightened one. And then they

759
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:46,160
look at the individual, and then you see the seed of judgment, which is truly not accepting and

760
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:53,120
allowing. It's like there's a very delusional sense of what's going on in your life. And then

761
01:15:53,120 --> 01:16:00,080
you see the state of realization, what is truly consciousness? Consciousness is all things. And

762
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:09,520
when you truly accept and allow all things, then you're not being adverse or diverse or inclusive

763
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:16,240
or exclusive. You are one with all. And that's the part. That's the distinct nature of it,

764
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:22,720
is it includes both sides of the polarity. And in any direction, for any emotion, any experience,

765
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:28,080
all sides are always inside of the unified field. So there is some measure at which they can

766
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:39,120
find a space that road less traveled. We had a guest, Brittany on, and she kind of went the

767
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,440
opposite direction as us, and she explored nihilism and kind of the outcomes of that.

768
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:49,920
But she had a really great idea, which was all life exists on the spectrum of the differences

769
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:58,320
between people and where they come together to find their humanity, that thin line. That's the

770
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:03,200
road less traveled. That's where it's not polarized. It's in that middle space. And that's where we

771
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:12,800
find life. I think that's a beautiful perception, observation. Consciousness in definition to me is

772
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,280
you're sitting at one end of the table. I'm sitting at the other. There's an orange in the middle of

773
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:23,440
and you sit your way and I sit my way. It's all the same, yet we're accessing the same information.

774
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:30,880
And so the validation is the information. The validation is psychics, mediums, healers,

775
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:38,320
enlightened people, less lightened people, judgmental people, non-judgmental people,

776
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:46,320
good, bad, and ugly, green, gold, orange, all that comes together as one. And when we're able

777
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:53,520
to realize that, then we have a high level of... The biggest fallacy is people get caught up in

778
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:59,440
whatever practice they're into and they're like, I have to master that. So there's this expression

779
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:06,320
that especially within the alternative healing, there must be a death. And unfortunately, I would

780
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:14,800
have to disagree absolutely 1000%. My personality is my personality. I love 80s movies. I enjoy

781
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:24,080
working out, powerlifting, bodybuilding, playing with action figures. Yes, that's right. Understanding

782
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:30,880
that I can hang out with my five kids that all love to do all these different things. And then I

783
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:38,160
can go and the power of my attention intention is envelop San Quinn, put him aside, access the

784
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:45,200
higher level of ascension and consciousness and affect an instant healing, affect an instant

785
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:51,280
manifestation, an instant realization. There is something greater than creativity. And that is

786
01:18:51,280 --> 01:19:00,080
evident by the experience that's before me in this 3D reality from a 5D. And it's all about validating

787
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:06,960
what's going on. It's not just this spoken word, which is so very important. It's being able to

788
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:13,360
show you I'm a show you show me type of guy. It's like, okay, that's really good. Now show me. And

789
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:18,320
that's where people kind of get a little lost because they're still conceptual. And that's a

790
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,800
beautiful place. There is no right place you you get into your place wherever you're at. If you're

791
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:27,920
at wherever you're at, you're only going up or you're you're you're getting even higher. It's

792
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:33,040
just wherever the dial is for you to turn it on, snap it on, turn it up another few dotches,

793
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:40,080
a notches, and that becomes realized. Right. One of the things that I was thinking about going back

794
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,680
to this conflict we've got in the Middle East is that when you look at what happened in the turn of

795
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:52,400
the first millennia, you actually had Jews, Muslims and Christians all working together, but they were

796
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:57,840
under the guise of mysticism. And if you look at the Alhambra and you look at Alphonse the 10th,

797
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:03,920
he had all of these people at his court. And that's when you had real synergy. Right. That's

798
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,920
is where I mean, there were some different backgrounds. Right. But at the same time,

799
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:16,720
they all saw the same energy of the big G. Right. And it's so sad that we have this reality. Right.

800
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,120
We have this reality of this actual convergence coming together with brilliant kinds of things.

801
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:25,760
I mean, the Alhambra is a sacred geometric edifice. Right. And you can just see the love

802
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,240
and intention that went into that place. It's just absolutely miraculous in terms of tranquility and

803
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:36,880
just presence. Right. So, I mean, I guess what I'd like to figure out, Jonathan, we got one more

804
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,320
question, but again, we kind of talked about it when Jonathan was getting his power cord.

805
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:48,000
Where would you begin if somebody asked you, where would you begin to say, how do we heal what's

806
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,840
going on here? Let's move everything else. Let's move the trans, the religious versus the gay

807
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:00,160
agenda. How do we go to that conflict and begin to figure out ways to heal that scenario?

808
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:08,080
Is that the question? That's the question. Well, I mean, understanding that this is all

809
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:17,520
a catalyst of perception of reality. And that would be moreover, if you believe that

810
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:26,160
religion is your thing, if you believe that there is a separator between these two forces that are

811
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:33,360
fighting for the same space of land that is holy in their nature, their perception, their reality,

812
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:39,520
conflict, that's being generated. That's manmade. This is all a manipulation. All this stuff. I mean,

813
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:46,960
I could go deeper into the manipulation, but it's just straight up a manipulation. It's

814
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:52,880
in no way something that they just stumbled across. Someone had a bad day and they went just AWOL

815
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:58,080
and started murdering people. This has been a catalyst for thousands of years. And it will

816
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:03,200
continue. If you understand the quantum model, it's a fractal pattern that will continue to repeat

817
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,840
itself over and over and over again until you change that. And so how do you change any fractal

818
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:14,320
pattern instantaneously rather than waiting for the same trauma to come up again, which is generally

819
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:20,960
how you measure in time when the next event is going to take place due to the trauma that has

820
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:30,960
already been generated, instantly access that you can accept and allow, generate a high frequency,

821
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:37,600
the gamma brainwave. And I always ask people to take the 72 hour challenge. And if you accept and

822
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:44,960
allow everything in your life for 72 hours, you will be drama free and have an effortless experience

823
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:51,120
and ask yourself, what am I doing with my life? I don't have a problem. I am absolutely happy and

824
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:57,200
content and embracing everything. I think I need to poke myself in the eye. Maybe I'll put my hand

825
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,360
in a doorframe and shut it because it's effortless at this point. And that's how quickly you can

826
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:06,960
break that fractal pattern. And so with that said, that fractal pattern will continue. And unless

827
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:13,840
there is a circumventing major element of change, which is not going to happen, we're just going to

828
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:19,040
witness this until the end of time. This is it. This is Neo and the architect having that

829
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:24,160
conversation. The architect is saying, you've been through this. We've killed Zion. It's happened

830
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:30,320
over and over and over again. And then Neo opens the door and he breaks that fractal trauma that's

831
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,880
going to happen again and again and brings about the salvation of the movie, if you would.

832
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:44,080
That is that moment. Groundhog Day. If you want to take it from a psychological perspective, have you

833
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:52,720
heard of the RAS, reticular activative system? Yeah. So basically that's a real fancy psychological

834
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:58,480
way to go. That's your unconscious and you can program it any way you want. Just go buy yourself

835
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:03,920
a red car and you're going to walk outside and start driving down the street and go, oh my goodness,

836
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:10,160
there's a thousand red cars out there. That simplicity is too simple for most human beings.

837
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:15,120
So the idea that I could access my unconscious that quickly and program it any way I want just

838
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:22,320
by thinking that is the whole problem with it in of itself because then the complexity

839
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:26,560
ravels off into another complexity, into another one. And then we start thinking too much. And then

840
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:31,600
all of a sudden the face value that I speak of and have this whole time, which is childlike,

841
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:38,400
accept and allow everything as is, never materializes because, but did I say it right?

842
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:45,600
Was I process, did I call in the right energy? Did I pray enough? Did I say the right word?

843
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:51,600
No. When you're the universe, it happens instantaneously. So that means if you just think it,

844
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:59,520
it's so. And so that's kind of like comes back to when I had my first experience 30 years ago,

845
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:04,480
saying, heal, heal, heal, heal, heal, heal, because I had no expectation. And so the part

846
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:10,240
of materializing a manifestation is to removing the energy. I mean, the emotional content. Well,

847
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:14,480
when you remove the emotional content and you're not invested and people are like, I get people

848
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:18,960
that call me and say, oh, my grandmother's dying. She was put into a coma. Can you help me out? I'm

849
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,840
like, sure. No problem. Done. They call up the next day and they're like, my grandmother went out

850
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:28,560
of, got out of a coma and she's all right. And then three years later, she's having the best

851
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:36,000
life ever because all I'm doing is opening a space of consciousness. That energy is coming in and

852
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,840
ramping and supercharging that event. And because I don't have an emotional content, I have,

853
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:48,800
I'm not, I'm not excited either way, whether she passes away or whether she heals, it's up to

854
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:55,040
the individual. But understand this, I have a few skills that are trained in accessing that

855
01:25:55,040 --> 01:26:01,680
consciousness. And with that comes a level of manifestation, magic, healing, creativity,

856
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:08,640
and that's from creating a higher level, a higher frequency. And that's just something you train in,

857
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:13,840
just like exercise. You go out, you exercise, you do a workout, you lift weights. The same thing

858
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:19,840
happens when it comes to the training of these energies. You, you palpate them, you master them.

859
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:26,400
So they're, they're absolutely the distinguishing difference between when you think, feel, and know,

860
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,640
and it's all realized.

861
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,160
You're on mute, Jonathan.

862
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:37,760
There we go. Son, it's an absolute pleasure, uh, hanging with you. This has been

863
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,200
an incredible conversation. I love having these conversations with people who can kind of go this

864
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:47,360
deep. Uh, this is probably one of the deepest podcasts we've had, especially around the idea

865
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:52,640
of manifesting an energy. And I appreciate it because, um, I think a lot of people are

866
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:00,880
sort of looking for what's next. Um, and I think I'll tell one quick story and then I'll close is

867
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:07,200
I, 15 years ago, I read the Dao De Ching and I remember feeling completely guilty doing it,

868
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:13,280
going who the fuck cares. And I was, after I finished it, I remember saying to myself,

869
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,480
what was I worried about? And I want to encourage anybody who's in that traditional space,

870
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:24,240
just take a little risk, have a little bit of courage to try and try what I did. Just read it

871
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:29,280
and see what you think. And if you don't walk away, I think you'll be totally surprised. So

872
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:35,440
Son, thank you so much for joining us. Um, it's been an absolute pleasure, Rich, any final words?

873
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:39,360
No, just an absolute pleasure and digging in deeper. And I'm looking forward to having

874
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:44,480
additional conversations. I'm just a few hours away from Nevada. I'm in Ventura, Southern California.

875
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:51,520
So, um, look out for an email and look. Yes, I would love to have you down to the temple. My friend,

876
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:57,120
I have probably the largest Daoist temple this side of America. So yeah, we can do a podcast there.

877
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:02,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, I mean, that's it. A little final words on that Tao

878
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:07,280
teaching. Understand just like any scripture, it's a living scripture. I have a lot of words

879
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,760
that are just like, I mean, it's not just any scripture. It's a living scripture. I have

880
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:17,120
students. I just had a student on my podcast and he's been reading it for 12 years. Every time he

881
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:22,160
picks it up, it's like, I just read this and it's completely different to what it was when I read

882
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:27,600
it yesterday because it's a living scripture. And that's that evoking charge that comes with you.

883
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,320
And you'll gravitate to it. Your truth teller will tell you. And it's just, uh, it's been an

884
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:38,080
amazing day and very grateful that the two of you invited me on your platform. And I thank you very

885
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:43,200
much for sharing your time with me and your audience sharing their time with us. Absolutely.

886
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:49,200
All right, everybody. It's been a wonderful week. Uh, this is living in the matrix. If you can,

887
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:55,760
please share, uh, guests with us. Our last couple of guests have been suggestions from people.

888
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,640
Uh, San, you were a guest that was recommended to us. So, uh, please review and comment. We'd

889
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:05,920
love to hear from you and, uh, hope everyone has an awesome week. This will probably drop

890
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out later this week. Much love everybody.