Welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan and I'm left of center.
And I'm Rich and I tend to lean a little bit more to the right. But the bottom line is,
is together we try to look for the balance of what it means to be human in today's world.
Let's get started and welcome to Living in the Matrix. I'm Jonathan. This is Rich. Say hello,
Rich. Hey everybody. Great to be back. Awesome. And we have a phenomenal guest today.
We have San, is it Queen? San Quinn.
San Quinn. And he is a Taoist priest. And I'm just going to say hello and let you jump in.
All right. Thank you. Welcome. I'm really grateful that you invited me on your podcast.
And I'm always, always excited to share, you know, consciousness worldwide in any way,
shape or form. And when we really bring together that old expression kumbaya, I mean, that's true
and true to the, when someone actually accepts another person, no matter what their perception
or their truth of their reality is. And that's a real understanding of what consciousness and
acceptance is. So thank you. I'm very grateful for being here. Absolutely. We are so glad to have you.
I found you on Instagram and you have really sort of these very consistent, very thoughtful posts
that you put in your reels and across social network. Help us understand sort of your thought
process as a Taoist priest and the content you create. What's your story?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, what seems to be going on right now is sort of like a level
of frequency shift in within the earth and definitely within the universe. And you're
starting to realize that, you know, this, this access to information, the, the idea of being
enlightened is becoming more and more reproduced and accessible to most people as it should be.
And if you look around, if you go and tap in on Yelp, I want to find a psychic, you wouldn't
find it 10 years ago. Now there's a couple of hundred people that claim they're mediums and
psychics. And I think it's beautiful that just the idea that they're getting validation, that what
they're tapping into is a high level of information. And then, you know, how I created, I sort of
merged many things. So I'll take the spirituality. I'll also take ancient indigenous practices that
have been taught to me that are tens of thousands of years old through my, my ordained Taoist
lineage. And then I'll also integrate, you know, other languages like quantum physics, you know,
epigenetic science, just to help people validate what they're experiencing. So if, if I'm sort of
sitting here and you're on the other side of the world, and, you know, I wave my finger and next
minute, your pain has gone away, a healing, you know, I mean, the myriad of different things that
I've seen in over 30 years, there's nothing I haven't seen. So what you consider possible is
absolutely more than possible, it's real. And so where you're at in your own level of consciousness,
so when I integrate these languages, that's how we get this sort of a much greater understanding.
And most people, if they hang around long enough and listen to my material, either go and listen
to my podcast or just listen to the reels. Have you been on the podcast? The podcast is sort of
like something that blows people away, because you get to, I do about an hour and a half myself,
and I go over all things. So I'll have an angle of quantum physics. And then I'll go into some
spirituality, I'll use some Taoist practices that parallel other things. And then I'll finish off
with an actual exercise. So you can experience this high level of consciousness and make it very
tangible for you and go, holy moly, how did he do that? He waved his finger around and boom,
you have this experience. And that's really what it's about is understanding that I sort of noticed
that you guys were really excited, realizing, you know, you've been friends for many years,
and you come together, you have similar thoughts, you're getting these downloads, these ideas of
what, you know, how you want to perceive your reality. And that's what it is, gentlemen, it's
a powerful opening of consciousness that you've just obtained. And then from a neurological level,
we're taking it to another level where if someone witnesses something using the neurology of their
body, they can now replicate it as quickly as they perceive it. And so that's a whole nother ballgame.
Well, unfortunately, we have also found that when trauma happens, it can be lived over and over
again, as if it happened like when we talked about Anna, right at the beginning of Dr. Joe's
book, right, Jonathan, he had a gal who, her husband jumped off a building, right. And her
physiological construct was such that she was reliving it as if it happened again and again and
again. So on a negative side, right, or any kind of side, you could see how there's permanence to
that, right, physiological, like we're talking cancers and massive GI issues that were actually
fomented based on this mental trauma that she could not release, right?
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's the foundation of really Chinese medicine, and really
understanding. So, you know, when I just do quick, you know, psychic readings on people and they flip
out because I've never met them before, but I can give them their mental emotional state inside of
60 seconds from reading their aura, they get a little weirded out. They're like, how is that
possible? You don't know me. I'm just reading the information. I'm not creating a judgment on your
personality. I'm just reading the excess and deficiency of what's going on in your energetic
field that is reflected on your organs and what the virtue or emotion is being stored in each
particular organ that then manifests into a physical ailment, which is what you're referencing.
I assume you're referencing Dr. Joe as in dispenser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have this
incredible, interesting love affair with Dr. Dispenser. It's because anytime I mention some
level of like coherence, which is a sexy word right now, they're like, oh, yeah, is that the dispenser
stuff? Okay, let me take a deep breath. This is a realization that these indigenous practices have
been around a really long time. And that's where my personality steps in and says, hey, listen,
you don't need to be a priest right now. Let's just sort of process. Why is it that everyone
associates? Because he's very articulate and extremely well versed in understanding the
mechanics of astrology. And that's really how you drop a message in to someone's unconscious,
to process it consciously when you can use the mechanisms. And it's sort of like sitting and
listening to material, all of a sudden it goes, hang on a second, wow, this makes sense to me.
How did that happen? I just don't know, but I can feel it. I can feel it within myself.
I think there's, Dr. Joe really kind of blew my mind is an appropriate way when I went through
a lot of his work, because of what I think he does is he, he discovered the structural components
of how ancient medicines of work, like you said, it's like, he's not giving us anything new. He's
putting it in a language that's understandable, that has no religious background, because when
it's in science, it's easier to digest without a filter of hold on now, you know, kind of that.
That's the part of we all we've wrestled with for 15 years together is, you know, we started connected
over our own faith of Christianity and then realized there's a dissonance growing. And we're
in a much different place now. So there's that, that journey is what Dr. Joe has kind of helped
you understand the mechanics and the levers. And I love that about him. It's, it's been extremely
helpful for me. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's beautiful to see, I love it when people can become more aware
of their sensory perception. And that's how you level up in consciousness. And you know, there's
there's the baseline of understanding the physiology, which evokes the mental emotional
that then activates the energetic, and then we ripple into the spiritual. So there's all these
levels of ascension that give you the gateway to this high level of knowing. And that's kind of why
I always talk about never, if you're thinking you're not knowing if you're knowing, you are
all knowing because you're feeling see, so the thought component is where you process things,
you compartmentalize things, whereas when you feel it, you know it. And that's why the register for
for my app specifically, is you start with the feeling so you can hear play on that. And the
visual audible experience evokes the kinesthetic response, which makes you feel like you've had
five pinoculars 10 days in the Bahamas and a full body massage. And that happens all within a few
seconds, let alone the 27 minutes that you experience per day. And that will then lead you to
okay, well, you're now asking me, I feel amazing. But what am I going to do? I mean, I've used all
these other apps before and you walk away and I'm back to my same old real world problems that I
have to deal with. Well, I developed what they call an Easter egg. So you go through the experience,
after the first day of that experience, you're now able to validate your your progression. So what
happens is, you know, you create new synapses, information, energy highways of the brain when
you're exposed to this material. Now, the beautiful part is you can experience it once. And what
happens, I always tell people, once you experience it once you can close your eyes, and you'll see it
visually in your third eye, because all these energy centers are being activated from the first
one that accesses the earth all the way to the universe, and the seven in between, which some
people would correlate or associate with something they would call a chakra, we just call them energy
centers within Taoism. And then you know, you have more deeper understanding of what we call the
Dantians, which would be in association with the physiology of your brain, your heart and your gut.
And so when you get that, you know, if you've gone deep enough into dispenser, he gives you a very
clear understanding that guess what, once this is humming, the truth teller, you you connect with
the brain, the brain is enabled through the neural network to send a signal to the gut, which gives
you the gut feeling, this has all got to do with the information, how it's translated. And more so
than anything else, as a Taoist, we very much everything, this is the information, this is where
you get it from the heart, not from the brain, the brain is more like a projector. And so you evoke
what we call the red phoenix. And this is where we get the black hole energy, which is what
Taoists use. And this is absolutely relevant to zero point energy within quantum. And understanding
that that is black hole energy. And so people have an epiphany when they're like, what are you
talking about? Well, I actually had one of my students on who's a very well renowned functional
medicine doctor. And he had his son who's studying at UCSF has a PhD. And he was studying the nucleus
of a cell. And guess what? Guess what he found in that cell? Dead center in the middle, the yin yang,
black hole energy. And he's been teaching me this stuff for years. But he, boy, the zeroes and ones
can't lie. They're right here in front of you. We have the data. And this is where people get blown
away. And I mean, you ask yourself, okay, if this was access 10, 20,000 years ago, where do we get
this information from? It's called direct source information. Yeah. So for our listeners, what is
black hole energy? How would you define that? Okay, so it's basically from Hollywood perspective,
it's an ominous black hole that sucks. It's a vortex that sucks the life out of everything and
don't get near it or you'll enter the abyss, which that's completely incorrect. So once you
actually been there, Interstellar denies that too, right? Right, right. So the you know, the event
horizon, the lip of the black hole, or what some people conventionally call a wormhole, is basically
the enter entering point of infinite, abundant, timeless, endless, limitless amounts of energy.
And if you're following dispenser, you may be following the same or Braden or any other any of
the myriad of other guys. And so Nisim, especially, I find he warms my heart because he gets it, he's
starting to really put out that information when it comes to the unified field. I imagine you got
that from him. I'm not sure. So understanding that that that energy has been accessible for
tens of thousands of years within Taoism. Now within the universe, it was created. And so quantum
in of itself is made up of just an infinite amount of these black hole connections. That's how you
qualify what we call the entanglement within quantum physics. So this energy is basically in
every single cell of your body right down to a photon. And you you use that as the connector
dots that give you what we perceive as time and space between us, which there is none. It's just
an infinite amount of these dots that are within the photons that cannot be seen by the naked eye.
So basically in itself, it's an access point to this energy that is limitless. It's infinite. And
so even the sim is claims that within the next 12 months, that you'll have access to, you know,
some type of a device very similar to a cell phone that, you know, we could go, Hey, look,
I'm going to put this on my car, I'm going to put this on my house, I'm going to, why do I need to
spend excessive amounts on fossil fuel or, you know, solar or any of those things. Now from a
Taoist perspective, we've been using this energy. Because what is a black hole, a black hole is
is basically the death of a star. And then that's sort of like rises up from the deconstruction of
a star in itself. From a Taoist perspective, this is the earth, right, which the parallels are sort
of like uncanny, let me go, let me guess there's, there's a magnetic field that's pulsating from
the earth, which is pulsating from the human body. And it's like, what are the chances of that? What
a coincidence. And so through specific practices, you evoke the rising of the red phoenix, which is
the death of a black star, sorry, the death of a star, which becomes a black hole. And through the
ash, the red phoenix rises, opening up what we call the sacred infinite garden, the sacred infinite
flower, and then you have access to this high level of consciousness. And that starts to, you
know, roll out into all different types of practices, we use grids, we use constellations
that parallel with the constellations that are formed within the planet Earth, which would be
would look more like, you know, you know, natural born like pyramids that are mountains. And you
know, I'm out here in in Nevada in, you know, out in the desert, and I can go to any, any amount of
any, any amount of mountains that have this access of energy. And so as a Taoist, even within China,
I brought this up on one of my podcasts about three months ago, there are hundreds of pyramids in
China that have never been explored or even exposed. And so you have these pyramids that are all over
the world and like, well, what do we normally do with them? We align them with the constellations.
And then you draw a grid, which would be in the form of a bagua. And then from that, you use the
star stepping, which is an ancient Taoist practice that we use, we evoke the energy from the
constellation. And then we use that to construct, you know, magic, whatever manifestation healing.
So I hope that answered your question. I'm not sure.
Where did this journey for you begin? Because you obviously, you're how old? How old are you?
I'm 51.
Okay, so where did it begin for you that you kind of
About 30 years ago, I started like getting involved with healing practices, I sort of merged into
more of the physicality perspective, got involved with exercise, bodybuilding,
powerlifting, and then I realized that I had this, this consciousness and access. And so I went down
the path of discovering energetic practices, Taoism. And then later, in my 30s, I became an
ordained priest. What was it? Do you remember, like, any moment where you really said, okay, this
connects with me? Was there a moment that that happened?
Well, yeah, it was right after my first channeling session. So my teacher at the time,
put together a small class. And the first time I channeled ever, I channeled Latsu,
who's the father of Taoism. And I basically, he's my teacher, my best friend, my family member to
this day, because I'm consciously aware of something that is I have direct access to. So
I access all all my teachers within within the myriad of teachers, I have over 170 different
teachers that access for any, any source information. So when you define things like
God, per se, when when I say, hey, you know, I believe in the Tao and, and someone goes,
okay, what is that? I said, Well, that would be equivalent to God in your, you know, your perception
of what it is in relation to the Tao is the mother of all things. Now, when I say three pure ones,
there are three immortal gods, and they're like, there is only one God. Okay, all right, we can,
we can take a moment and take a breath, understanding that on a much deeper level,
that there really is this is a transmutation of all one thing, we're all one thing, you and you
and I are the same, like, I was a big jump for a lot of people. It's a huge jump intellectually
or spiritually for a lot of people to make. Yeah, that's what that's why it needs to come true like
that. I mean, for whatever silly reason, I'm still I'm still caught up. I'm still I'm getting there,
Jonathan. But I mean, as a as a as a Christ follower, and not the same way I used to be many
years ago, I still think ontologically, he's different than me, right? I think the Godhead
is still ontologically different, right? Instead of we're the same thing. Even though what I was
thinking about on the beach the other day is I think about this for a minute. When Jesus says,
Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, all these things will be,
you know, handed on to you. If the kingdom of God is within you, then that's exactly what it is. If
you if you see, if you seek that, and you and that's what you focus on, and you become a better
person because of it, then all these things will be given unto you. That's the that's exactly the
same message. So it just there's going to be I think there's an awakening happening right now.
I don't know if it's the age of Aquarius. But there is definitely you know, you can see it all
over Twitter. You know, it's not about the polemic and wokeness, which is another type of waking up
right in terms of right versus left politically, but in terms of a gradual eye opening of different
constructs that at one point in time would be considered, you know, anathema are now becoming
more open. Like, no, let's let's open this up. Oh, Atlantis. Let's talk about Atlantis. Let's
talk about, you know, the devil in Wyoming is actually probably an old tree stump or or whatever,
right? These things where the imagination starts to come in. And then at the end of the day,
it doesn't matter what you call it, you can call it a Trinity or you can call it God in in
perpetuity, right? There's no reason that that's semantic. This difference between, you know,
the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit really in terms of what it means, it doesn't matter,
right? Why do you have to? Why do you have to cut that like a razor when in fact, it doesn't matter,
right? Well, I would say that there's a level of value because I've experienced an infinite
amount of energy, frequency, vibration. So what does that mean? It means that God energy is very
different to Tao energy and never ever dismiss either one. I always remind people when you
dismiss someone's belief system, you dismiss your own. So understanding that interconnection. So
I've the gradients of specifically, there was one podcast I had probably three or four back.
And this, this this guy was just incredible, incredible energy, great leader, you know,
just as if he was like, just pulling these incredible speeches of motivation out of the
out of air. It was just mind blowing to me. And when I when I was speaking to him, he was very,
very had a deep affinity with God and Jesus specifically. And when I looked at his field,
Jesus was emanating from every aspect of I mean, it was almost like blinding the energy and the
light coming from the sky. And so I was like, Okay, I know, you know, I believe in reincarnation,
because look, I think it's a great idea. It's just not something I've ever read in the Bible
that would validate that that's true. And I'm like, Hey, that's beautiful. So this is the part
where he got a little mind blown. I said, Okay, so with that said, if I had to ask you a question,
who, who if you had to believe you or someone you're in reincarnation of anybody, who do you
think that might be? And he was about to say some I said, so I'll stop you right now. I can see that
person in your field, and who you're reincarnation of. And he goes, Okay, I'm like, I'm going to tell
you who it is. And then you can validate whether it's real or not. And I said, you're reincarnation
of Martin Luther King. And he went, Oh, my goodness. Oh, 10, that was 10,000% going to be accurate,
and it freaked him out. And, but it was a validation that is undeniable. And these are the
sorts of things that take place, whether it's on a, on a physical level, on a mental emotional level,
on a spiritual level. And people like, Well, how do you, how did you do that? Well, I'm just
training my sensory perception to be more aware of these things. And working with this type of stuff
for over 30 years, very easy for me to access that, like my visual, appear, my visual to your
visual would be completely different. When I look at everything, it looks like a computer screen
that's made up of all these incredible colors. And all I have to do is put my attention, intention to
something, and it will draw up information. And it will give me a whole myriad of different stuff
that people are like, How could you possibly know that? Well, I don't know anything. I'm just
accessing the information. And that's kind of like consciousness. That's all it is. And so he kind
of freaked out at that. More than the Akashic, right? Have you heard? I mean, is it just the
Akashic records? Just, yes, I've heard of that. No, I wouldn't say so. I mean, we don't define it as,
as the Akashic records. Like I just had a dear friend of mine, Jusenia, who's a psychic medium,
I guess. Yeah, you call it that. And she was just on my podcast, I just released her, her episode
just yesterday. And she accesses the Akashic records. And so you know, you, you, you look at
this stuff, and you look at the information, it's kind of like operating in a trance, you could go
from. And I assume that you guys have at some point explored, you know, hypnosis to some degree,
right? Not really. Really? I have to some degree, but probably not to the degree you're speaking
of. Right, right. And you know, it's, it's more the fear based thing of losing control of, of your
ship. The reality is, is if you have a cell phone, if you're listening to my voice, if you're emotional,
have you ever been emotional before? 100% right, then you're suggestible. That's as simple as that.
So understanding how to layer something and it's not like the old Hollywood movies, look into my
eye. I want you to follow my finger. That that type of stuff is interesting. And that came from
a character back in the 1800s called Mesmer, which then coined the word mesmerized. And
understanding that hypnosis has been around for thousands and thousands of years. If you want to
regress back to some character by the name of Thoth within Egyptian history, a mystic that
claims to have had the original access. Now, I don't really, hypnosis is very limited in relation
to you're accessing your unconscious. That to me is very earth bound. When you're accessing all
things, a higher level of frequency, there is a second to none experience that you will receive
from that. Not just accessing someone's subconscious or unconscious, because there is a division
between conscious, subconscious and unconscious. Even though some people would put unconscious
and subconscious in the same category, but it's quite different. But getting back to the idea of
their, everything has a different energy. Everything has a different frequency. I work with the big G
as you would define as God. I work with JC all the time, Jesus Christ. Whatever I see in the field of
the individual that has come to me for whatever reason, I'm going to work with those energies to
achieve the high level of consciousness. May it be through physical, mental, emotional,
and ultimately spiritual healing. And that's how it works. Well, I think that was one of the things
that really captured my imagination about what Joe talks about. And a lot of people in social media
talk about it, just words or spells. And so he taught me about how you speak to yourself,
like the idea of blessing your food actually brings in food that says, I'm okay with this.
I want this to be healthy to my body. And if we're like, oh, I'm eating too much and I shouldn't,
we're dispelling our food. And it's that concept of the relationship that a thought,
this is where Joe really got me, or, and you probably deeply understand this is that the thought
creates the electrical signal, fires a chemical reaction in your body that you have to then make
a judgment about. And that process is all started with words, you know, it's like,
or, or their, their abouts, like it's kind of like, I know the thoughts can appear.
Yeah. Well, how I explain it is everything in your life has a recipe of three things.
Doesn't matter what it is right now, five seconds ago, an hour tomorrow, next week, last year,
it's a thought feeling and an emotion. And what happens with that, that recipe is that evokes
the alchemical response of the pituitary, pineal, and thalamus, which then creates the chemistry
that uses the blood, which is a culture medium as the messenger that evokes a, a, a genetic
expression or gene expression moreover, which then evokes the outcome within your physical body.
Now that can be accessed through anything because your skin is your sensory perception. So it has
little self receptors within your skin, all that information that you're taking in from outside of
this physical body, which is basically the barometer on tuning fork of your reality.
That is the thing that registers your ex your experience. So when you're ascending from a 3d
to a 4d to a 5d, and the 5d is kind of like something that most people I've noticed have
been evoking through external forces, may it be ayahuasca, LSD, whatever it is, I can give you an
out of body experience using nothing more than the chemistry you're able to evoke through your pineal
gland. And that comes from mastering the energy. When you master those 50 trillion cells, which
Daoists are second to none at when it comes to the mastery of energy, the internal alchemy is what we
have a reputation for our affinity with the universe has been going on for 10,000 years.
A very well known celebrity in the last 50 years, who happened to can he came to me about two or
three months ago, and I did a couple of episodes of my podcast about was a guy by the name of Bruce
Lee. As I briefly had a Dallas master that he worked with. And there was a lot of sort of back
and forth, but understanding how to, to, to cultivate and move that energy like a one inch
punch. I could teach anyone that I could teach a 50 pound woman that that's four foot, take her fist
and drive it through the chest of a 300 pound gorilla and throw them across the room, 10 and 20
feet. And that has to do with transferring the energy and how you transfer it. And it happens in
the pico second, as does everything. That's why everything is instantaneous, like manifestation,
healing, magic, creativity, all stems from a thought, feeling and emotion. And so evoking that
is how you affect change. And you need to validate it through the feeling. The feeling is the starting
point. And so when you start to master the feeling where your attention intention can go anywhere
and move the energy any way you want, then you start to do, you know, crazy stuff, palpating the
pineal gland, oscillating the crystals, creating what some people would call a hallucinogenic sort
of experience. Well, you know, that's what I'm having right now. You guys are sitting here talking
to me, the walls have fallen away. And I'm sitting in the middle of the universe, getting high as a
kite running sun energy through me right now. And it feels really good. And so understanding that and
being conscious, and I'm not looking like I'm, I've had three drinks and, you know, party the last
six days. That's not how I mean, when you start to really harness the energy, that's, that's your
consciousness, that's your chemical response all day, every day. And you know, a lot of the gurus,
you'll see them in that state where man, that guy looks high. I mean, or he's just sitting there is
really, hey, man, relax, relax, because you can access and change the chemistry any way you want,
whenever you want, however you want. And the more and more you validated through the confirmation
of your experience in this realm, makes it real to you. And then it changes the state. But you know,
you need to have experiences that validate that. So when you've been using practices that you may
have experienced through Joe Dispenza, what are the most profound experiences that you've evoked from
his methods? Listening to the process of the electrical charge to the chemical charge, and then
recognizing, I'll tell you a very simple story that helped me understand it. I was walking my dog,
across the street was another dog that was unleashed. And my dog has a little bit of a
charge instinct, likes to bark. And I watched it happen. The dog came across the street,
and I fell over and hit my foot really hard on the, on a rock. And my first thought process was,
okay, I kind of immediately went to Joe and I said, what happens if I don't freak out and bring a lot
of negative energy to this moment? What if I just accept it? And it was healed in about 12 hours.
Like it was like, I thought I had broken my foot and it was swollen, and to it was completely healed.
And I think that was the beginning for me to really go, okay, there's something going on here
that I actually can control. Because even like the fruit of the spirit of from love all the way to
self-control, self-control is the point is for us to be able to control ourselves. And learning that
control mechanism was huge for me. And it allowed me to realize, okay, how much of trauma is stored
negative energy? And that's what I've known for a long time, but it proved it at that moment.
Right. Right. I would say that the faster the healing and that was completely hinged on
your suspension of disbelief, and the fact that you're fighting with yourself and understanding
that this is possible. And you sort of like surrendered to a moment. And you're beside yourself
that within 12 hours it was gone. And so that's the beginning of something profound, just in and
of itself, understanding that. And I mean, that's what I get back to when I talk about my app. And
what I was trying to get to was the, when you validate, you can validate your experience every
day. How does that work? Well, I can take you once you've exposed to the app the first time.
And interestingly enough, you talk about control. Well, it's about mastering your emotions,
because that's the first thing you need to realize is a simulation. When you realize that,
and you can go my emotions over there, sit, stay, and I'll let you know if I'm interested in using
you at any particular point, this is a part of the mastery. And you do that within the Way126 app,
you master your emotions. And that's the first baseline as a priest. That's the first baseline
from my experience is to be able to realize that's a simulation. That's not real. People like,
excuse me, what? Now all thoughts of your mind are not real. And when you evolve to a level of
consciousness and realize you are not of this body, what can harm you? Whoa. And for years,
I kept saying this to my mother, she'd be like, I don't want to die. You're not gonna die. It's
understanding the separation of that and consciousness is not between your ears.
Consciousness is all things. And when you access that, you access all the information. So the
validation of that on a day to day basis, what I meant to say was once you experience the app once,
you can go away, not use it, walk into a really busy room, create a confrontation if you choose
to have someone else just because you're human. Your humanist is begging you to validate something
you're under high stress, high emotional stress, close your eyes, call in the experience you've
already been exposed to. Because once you see it, you cannot unsee it. And you can't you count nine
times, take a breath in and out, hold it for nine seconds, and you will eliminate and erase the
emotional content that you're in. And that's how you are able to measure on a daily basis.
This stuff is really working for me. I'm not just sitting here going, I feel really relaxed when I
go in here. It kind of seems like I'm, I'm completely high. And I've done this for 27 minutes.
And once I go back to my real world stuff, I'm, I'm out of luck, because now I've got some real
problems because my job has pressure, my life has pressure, my real world perception of reality.
And that's where you get to discern the noise. And you use your neurology, your tuning fork to
realize you are all powerful. Well, I think this is what I love about science now is it's discovering
that a lot of what's happening in any moment that you perceive as trauma is really a release
of some kind of dopamine. And you're basically captured by it because it turns off your prefrontal
cortex. And I think what I love about what you're saying, which is true, a lot of the solutions,
I don't say solutions, but a lot of the practices that I've found is it's in that first 10 to 90
seconds. Like the most dopamine lasts no longer than five or six seconds. They can go to 15,
but your idea of holding your breath is getting you past that immediate hit to then let this come
back on. And there's a tremendous amount of power there. Well, yeah, I mean, we, we have thousands of
different respiration practices from embryonic breathing to primordial breathing, understanding
that when you, when your consciousness, you don't breathe from your, your physical anatomy. So we're
breathing from consciousness. It's no lie. I mean, I, the longest I've held my breath was, you know,
well over 20 minutes up to 27 minutes. I've seen David Blaine hold his breath for over 40. And so
hang on a second. Yeah, he did. And, and I've actually witnessed it here in Vegas when I've
watched him live. And so understanding that it has nothing to do with the simplicity. I like to always
help you like help people understand you have an incredible foundation. What I would suggest to you
on your journey of exploration of consciousness would be, except you know nothing and you know
everything. I think I'm, I think I'm sitting on the doorstep of that. I feel like I'm rich and I
have been exploring the concept of nothingness this year in conversations and what it means to be no
thing. And I think a lot of that is the separation from our ego to become what's the third one,
all things or, but it's this, it's this journey away from our ego and towards consciousness. I,
I've definitely experienced consciousness. I tell Rich every night I walk my dog and I really focus
very deeply on, I'm, it's what Virginia Drake on our last episode called dropping into your heart.
And I'm learning to do that, that this, this is really hard. If you live just here in the head,
it's really hard to live disconnected from your heart. And as men, men are, they shut, we shut
down our heart and live primarily in our brain. And I'm learning to do the opposite. I'm learning
to drop in. And I had an experience a couple of nights ago where it was, it was a Friday night
and I had a physical sensation of the difference between being up here and being down here. And
all of a sudden I realized, oh shit, when I'm down here, all my security mechanisms are disabled.
And that's a scary place for a lot of people to be, but it was where all the richness of experience
and energy is. Well, Jonathan, you know, you've, you've been on the heart journey and been,
you know, manifesting it for a long time. I'm the one that we talked about. I'm the polemicist here,
San, San, and I've lived in the world of the head and I've been called out on a couple of occasions
by people on a plane and a gal in our small group about like tapping into that heart. So
the way I've been able to tap into it without any kind of other intentionality is to do it through
TM. And I guess one of the things that I wanted to ask you about, because when we talk about science,
you have a science of 27 minutes with your app, but the science of TM says 20 minutes in the morning.
Well, I think you said 27 minutes in the app, right?
No, I said 27. We work in numbers. We work in the numbers, the letters, they're all integrated
deep within your DNA. Understanding the replication. Oh, it's the way 126. Sorry about that.
Yeah, yeah. So the way 126 is all got to do with the power of nine within Taoism. That's the highest
number. Got it. So the reason why you, 20 minutes, twice a day in our, in TM is because your mind is
racing for 15 minutes, then you can go to the unified field for five. And then by the time you
do it in the afternoon, I think it kind of hits you a little bit better. It's like that memory.
So tell me a little bit about your app and what, and can you go through the logistics of,
because I'm very interested already. I want to get to that place where I feel I felt the unified
field. And when I do my TM, I can feel something in the prefrontal. It's definitely not the pineal
gland, but I definitely feel something physiological when I'm in this, in the presence and I'm doing
it right. And one of the things I loved about TM compared to mindfulness meditation or other kind of
meditation is that it was just effortless, right? Even Cameron Diaz, if she can do it,
anybody can do it, right? That's her claim to fame. And they do have the celebrities, right? So TM
does have David Lynch and that whole gang. But in terms of what you're talking about, can you walk
us through a little bit about why that kind of period of time is important and how that helps
your folks and the people that you know? Yeah, yeah. First and foremost, you know,
understanding how you access everything. I mean, everything is instantaneous. So the second you
turn on the way 126, the sound permeates your neurology, i.e. your vagus nerve, which is the
maestro and conductor of all things, every cell in your body. Collectively, you might have an
argument with a neurologist whether it accesses your spleen or not. But I can tell you once you
turn on the 50 trillion cells and access that 0.07 millivolts of electricity within each cell,
and you've collectively unified them as you have used the word to describe it as,
you will feel everything. So when someone just disputes the idea, there's no third eye,
there's nothing behind here, you can't feel anything, the brain is sympathetically
innovated that way, there's no way you're going to feel it. I can promise you, I can have you feel
every part of your physical body, and then everything outside of that, because that's the
mastery that we're speaking of. And that's how you're able to validate your experience. It doesn't
come from so your head could be running all day long. But when you feel it, that's the green light
that you're, you're in a state of consciousness and your brain. I've done so many EGs on people
that have used this stuff, the response is always the same, you evoke a gamma frequency, the brain
wave frequency, and then you're able to play with that. Once you envelop the whole brain, then you
can play in the theta and the alpha state, while completely highly conscious, not highly anxious,
whereas more of a beta frequency would be in that state. So when you hit 27 minutes, you have really
like 27 minutes, I would equate to eight hours of meditation, eight hours of sleep, eight hours of
relaxation, just from that one hit. And the biggest test for that is you validate it. I can explain it
to you, but I'm not going to have you, I'm not going to go, listen, it's going to do that. No,
you will validate it. And your neurology will speak on that. Because understanding how the
mirror neurons work within your brain, this is happening instantaneously. So as soon as you're
access to any material, you're able to replicate that instantaneously within your neurology.
So this is a really powerful thing. Now, I explain it that way. Now, before that, before I would use,
you know, scientific terms or quantum physics or anything of that nature, within Taoism, we talk
about what we call mirror magic, where you're replicating the external with the internal,
the internal with the external, the old expression, you are the field, the field is you, you are the
universe, the universe is you, everything is all encapsulated, or broken down to more holographic,
sort of like model of understanding how we're simulating wave to light to matter to particle,
i.e. what you perceive right now is your reality. So that timeframe, and like I said,
you could literally spend the first couple of seconds. And there's what we call what I call
nine transitions that lead you into the experience that brings up to the 27 minutes. And those nine
transitions are specific things that work with your unconscious. And then the last three transitions
out of the nine are specifically wiring up the brain, the heart and the gut. So you synchronize
those three, then you go into the experience itself. And, and, you know, I've had everything
from miraculous healings to epiphanies to spiritual encounters to I'm, I'm conscious,
I've never been more conscious. I'm a magician, I'm doing healings at will, all these things take
place, because you're opening to high levels of consciousness, understand that when you layer
yourself, and that's why I said, when you accept you know nothing, you know everything, it's because
you speak on the power of the words, words, linguistics can be encapsulated within many
things. And I like, it's very important for me, I don't I define myself as a Taoist master,
only because that's what is titled with being an ordained priest in two lineages of Taoism.
I don't call myself a master, per se, because I have an ego the size of Wyoming, that understanding,
and it's really important because the student is the teacher, the teacher is the student walking
away from interaction with you guys today, we we we expand on all knowing collectively. And that
singular expression comes from an epiphany that we're all having right now, through our interaction
and, and frequency change exchange. And that sort of comes to a higher level. But getting back to
when you accept, you know nothing, you know everything, it's, it's really important that
you guys are highly intellectual thinkers. And that, you know, if you were to go to the emotion,
because of the programming you're in, anxiety and fear are emotions that you work and struggle with
the most. And that then replicates into OCD and other behaviors of that nature. And because you
are the same, you are so entwined from how you process in your friendship, you mimic and mirror
very similar physical and psychological sort of makeups. Does that make sense?
For sure. No, I mean, it's, there's been definitely times when we've come alongside the same ideas or
thoughts and things have come together, right? There's definitely that that synergy. And I mean,
we lead our podcast by Jonathan saying I'm a little left of center and I say I'm a little
right of center, but it's still, you know, we did, we did a transgender episode where we both kind
of came together on the same page because it was all about leading with love and don't hurt kids,
you know, and that kind of thing, right? So it was easy to get aligned on the right types of things
instead of like throwing stones, you know? Right. We are different. We have very different backgrounds.
So we take different approaches. I think I'm a lot more risky than Rich, but he still tries.
So we have a lot in common and a lot that's different. Yeah. Yeah. It always, it's always,
it's very, very simple. Psych, clairvoyant, psychic 101. You attract what is within you.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Rich and I were attracted because we're, we do have similar journeys,
you know, especially around our faith. Yeah. Yeah. And by no way was I attempting to make
the character. It was more an observation of understanding the synchronicity, but more so
you limit yourself when you come from, and I always remind people, it's when you come from
psychology, biology, physiology, it's a very limited place to start because you have a preconceived
expectation or understanding of what is, and that can be good and bad and indifferent. Understand
that if you layer it as a foundation of something and then expand from that, and that's what most
humans find very difficult because that information has already been put in the computer. So what
you're saying is, Hey, guess what? I think this way I'm open to this, but the linguistics speak
differently. So if you sit here and you listen to someone, so if we just do, and because I'm sort of
have a, you know, I, I interview mentalists, illusionists, hypnotists, psychotherapists,
whatever you want to call yourself, there's always a place and a time for everything. And so, you
know, the, the Godfather of, you know, do you know what Tony, have you heard of Tony Robbins
before? Yeah. And what's he the Godfather of? What's he the Godfather of? Do you know?
Rather than just being a motivational speaker, he's actually a master manipulator. So he was
the seed in the beginning of what we call a thing called, which they've coined that now, you talk
about words as dispensers referred to it within the hours, and we call it incantations. So the
power of incantations applied to what we call talismans, where you're constructing a specific
type of like magic, you're drawing it out, and then you're imprinting it with the incantation,
what we would call the prayer, right? The prayer or yeah, whatever. And so that is very powerful. So
NLP, which you've probably heard of neuro linguistic programming, that's Tony Robbins's
bread and butter. That's how he made his millions. So there is levels and degrees of understanding.
Now I look at that and I go, when I see it, I'm like, okay, I'm okay if people identify and
they're able to tell people that's what they're doing. But when they collectively do it in a way
that is sort of manipulative, I then have no mercy for someone when I viscerate them. Because
there's a manipulation that comes with that. And a lot of politicians, motivational speakers,
they all do the same type of thing. I'm a salesperson, I'm a motivator, and it's not good.
I mean, it's so powerful, right? Just like Jonathan said, words are so powerful. You had that
epiphany, that realization, and people need to understand that that's the foundation of everyone
s basically growth of consciousness is realizing how powerful those words are, number of symbols,
words, letters, they're all integrated into your DNA that is going back lifetimes. And that could
be measured by the scientific facts back in the, well, the 90s, we were talking about heart math,
which then, you know, dispenser leans on that. And then we have, you know, physicists back in the
early 2000s, who deciphered the code within a DNA strand, which came up with the God code, right,
which you're probably familiar with, you know, what does it say? What did it say? What did it say?
God eternal in this body. I mean, look, but we can program anything if I sit here long enough,
and I chant a mantra, audibly or inaudibly in my mind, it will permeate the very field and essence
of everything around us, and it will be received by you, regardless of your mindset. Does that make
sense? Just as your information is coming to me, I, my information is coming to you, we are all one.
And when we realize that all these things are taking place, so the epigenetic model of
understanding the environment affects the genes, you're a product of your environment, your
thoughts can switch on and off your gene expression is an epiphany that, you know, you know, what's his
name Lipton had back in the 60s, playing around with stem cells, bringing it up to the forefront,
and sort of like translating this into an understanding within a language called science,
that people can go, Oh, that crazy ancient stuff that Dallas, San Quentin does is quantified in a
language. And that's why I find that I appreciate these types of people that are bringing this
information in. And then I can lean on and go, Okay, this experience that you had is a complete
reflection of this, this and this. And here are the mechanisms that will help you understand how you
had that experience, how you feel this way, why you're perceiving your reality to this degree. And
it's so beautiful when when Jonathan talks about how you feel it in the heart. But I mean,
understanding that if you sit on the couch of some psychiatrist or psych psychologist, and they work
through what's going on up here, it's never going to be resolved, reflected of the actual trauma and
all the other energy that is permeated in the heart itself, because you have a brain in your heart,
that is equivalent to the brain you have in in your skull. And so all that trauma that we speak
of that you become really familiar with that emotional trauma is stored there. And from a
Taoist, ancient Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, we observe that the most powerful
remedy for any Chinese medicine is energetics. So that's the qigong. And that's where we lean on
respiration. Qigong in definition means moving energy with your breath, and nígong, which we
work on, which is moving energy with your mind. And so you you culminate the two, and you create
this experience where you become quite masterful. But that understanding, that powerful understanding
that Jonathan had with his dog, and he was able to perceive and receive this, this physiological
healing that was, you know, miraculous, in your opinion, within 12 hours, it was gone, you're I
sprained my ankle or whatnot. It brings me back to one of my first entry experiences from a
physiological level, many decades ago, when I was first starting to learn distance healing. There
was a moment where, you know, I'd gone through this particular ritual and training, and I had all the
the doc, the notes and everything. And I was sort of like, okay, when harm got a phone call from my
friend, old rotary phone, you know how it works. And I'm like, Okay, what's going on? I can't meet
you today. Okay, all right. Okay, next week. And she's like, Yeah, I'm kind of bummed. And I was
just about to get off the phone. I said, Whoa, hang on, hang on. I have I'm literally sitting here
looking at this. I'm like, let me try something. You're like, what are you talking about? What do
you mean? I've got a sprained ankle. I can't meet you this week. It's the size of a watermelon.
It's not going to happen. I'm like, let me try this. I just was exposed to this today. Now this
is what I talk about childlike state. And this is where we go back to the
childlike state. And this is where we go back to, except you know nothing. And I only say that for
people to really embrace what's in the present moment and understanding that the universe doesn't
have a moral compass. It is clearly related to the present moment, there, the past, future,
and present are culminated as one. And when you understand your gift is your offering,
which is the cycle of all things, and the gift is the present,
blammo. Right now, I'm sitting there and I'm going hang on a second before we get off.
One, two, three, I'm going through this list, reading it out. Okay. Now I'm going to do this
next thing. She says, what? I'm just going to speak a few words. And this is the power that
Jonathan talks about words. And let's see what happens. She's like, okay. I said, heal, heal,
heal, heal, heal, heal. And then the next words were expletives that I'll leave off your podcast,
but it starts with the abbreviation of WTF. And she's like, what are you doing? I'm like,
what am I doing? I've not honestly, I have no idea what I'm doing. I just read off this instruction
sheet, how I'm supposed to do this. I went through it, processed it. Then I spoke the words that
were necessary to evoke the change. And she goes, my ankle was the size of a bowling ball,
it's disappeared. And now I'm standing on it. Oh, my gosh. And I, you know what I said? I said,
I said, I said, I said, I said, I said bullshit. And she's like, I'm not kidding you. I don't know
what kind of weird stuff you're into. You're freaking me out right now. And I'm like, this is
just a connection. Well, and what I put this down to on every miraculous healing that I've been
bed witness to, and I've seen thousands of them. I mean, I could write a book and there's nothing I
haven't seen. So if you can think of your wildest imagination of a healing, I've seen it before my
very eyes. And so when that happened to her, I was like, look, all I did was read off the script,
in my acceptance, and this is a key factor of Taoism, accepting and allowing, and what we call
Wu Wei, which is effortless action, effortless effort. And then you access what we call the Wu
Ji, which is the stillness between the breath in and out, which is the breath in and out, Yong and
Yin. And that's where you access the stillness. And you know, that's how I attribute it to it.
And ever since my level of consciousness accessing, you know, channeling Latsu, my teacher,
the information is direct, instantaneous. And that's how things roll out. So if I'm doing
something that would be a telekinesis sort of experience where you want to see something
like psychokinesis, if I take a spoon, and I met and I bend it before your very eyes,
a really heavy piece of metal, there's a level of consciousness you dip into between three,
four and five D, and you will feel it. And things start to wiggle, they start to transform before
your very eyes, and you feel like you're on some type of hallucinogen. But then the matter itself
reverses back into wave light, bam. And then the miracle is that you can tangibly validate that in
this 3d reality. And that's when it becomes really, what was funny is and I shouldn't I shouldn't be
it's something so trivial. In that I manifested a win in my fantasy football game this this Sunday,
this Sunday, in that I had already envisioned writing a post. So I've been sucking ass. And so
I've won the last two games. And I was dead in the water for this particular week where my my
quarterback went down. So you probably familiar with fantasy, it's a big weight time stock.
But in my mind, I'd already written out three games, three victories, three quarterbacks with
a combined score of 21 points that I was going to send to them. And I've already I willed it. And
then I watched as I went from a 12 to 18 or 20% chance of winning to one point being in the nines,
to winning by 1.5 points through a set of miraculous kinds of movements. That's silly,
but I think at the same time, it just means I mean, and I think we want to focus on things
that are really helpful that are what we want to think about is how do we heal what's going on in
Hamas and Israel? How do we engender things? And I guess sometimes we get caught up in the grandiose
and we need to focus on the minute in the day to day. And if we focus on the minute day to day,
and we have enough people that are focusing on the little bit of things then that can cause the
larger, you know, greater, the butterfly and the wind, right? Or what have you, right?
Well, yeah, it's just really important. So if I lean on those types of things that are more
or what some people might call, you know, an individual validation, I do it specifically to
create a level of consciousness and awareness to that individual, whether it's a physical healing,
whether it's, you know, doing something that is of a higher level of consciousness, like,
you know, erasing PTSD within a second on anybody. You know, these types of things validate
the individual's experience, and then they become a replication of a higher frequency that then adds
to the collective, amplifying this singular that we speak of, and then that's able to ripple out
into all things, which it's always a win. So you're winning at your fantasy football is
another validation. And that level of consciousness then increases. So, you know, I always tell people
if you want to, and I have a manifestation video on my YouTube channel, it goes into great detail
how to access manifestation, and it has to do with the feeling. And the feeling is critical. So if you
understand the default of a human being is creativity, then that is instant gamma brain
wave. Pure creativity is pure reality. The creativity becomes the reality, correct?
Yeah. And so when you, and I always use music as a basic one, you take any song that you have,
any song that's your favorite, you have a moment where you are resonating at that high frequency
that makes you feel good, the chorus, the beat, the song itself. Well, that artist, when creating
that music, imprinted the gamma brain wave into that peak. That's why you feel so good. You're
like, oh man, wait, wait, wait, the chorus and then da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and man, I'm really
feeling it. That is that moment of consciousness where you can manifest, create, heal, or cast
magic. And you're like, whoa, what? That sort of sounds benign. I promise you, take what I just
said, go out, find your favorite song and do just that and watch how fast your manifestations turn
into reality because that's the pico second stuff and that happens that quickly. And I think I've
got like 20,000 views on that. Everyone walks away going, I can't believe I just manifested
a bag of money, a new job, the hottest girl of my dreams, whatever it is, the moral compass is not
generated from the universe. The moral compass is not generated from a higher level of consciousness.
It is generated from your humanist, your perceived reality, and that sort of leads into what we call
a duality, which will always keep you limited. So what does that mean? It means that understanding
that there is no right or wrong, there is no up or down. And people are like, Sifu, that's crazy.
Now you're just screwing with my mind. It doesn't make any sense. I'm like, the ultimate goal of
a Taoist is there's a yin and yang, there's polarizing, right? Up and down, in and out.
Each side of a mountain, one's yin, one's yang. You get to the top of the mountain, the peak,
and everything becomes one with everything. So now all of a sudden you have being. When you're
at being, this is this consciousness that we talk of, Dispenser talks of a high level of
consciousness, a coherence that makes it possible to do all these things that you would perceive
as superhuman. They're quite human. That's part of the humanist, part of the human being,
is being able to access this entry point. But when we compartmentalize, when we give it category,
or definition, or title, is where you become limited. It's where the manifestation doesn't
take place. The healing doesn't take place. It was like, Jonathan had that epiphany when he fell
over and hurt his ankle. He said, well, what would Dr. Joe do? And then you had a little dialogue
with him on a, and that already is another level of perception that maybe you're not even validating,
but you were speaking of it in your mind. You didn't use your mouth, but you heard it. So you
could hear something that was inaudible. Yeah. So boom, boom, boom. All of a sudden you went from
five senses to eight senses instantaneously. You're doing it right there and you are able to go,
hang on a second, boom. Now, when you access these high levels of consciousness to heal or manifest
or do anything of that nature, that's visibly in front of you that takes place at that moment,
there must be a dilution of title. Everything falls away. There is no right or wrong. There's
no up or down. Everything is as one. So this Mike, you guys, me, all of us converge as one thing.
And we are just pure consciousness. And so it goes from third person, first person, no person.
Does that make sense? There can't be good or evil if you're in the unified field. There's no duality.
There's both. The unified field is a conscious, it's like he said, I like that analogy.
The peak, it's both sides of the mountain. Virginia Drake last week called the road less traveled is
the line in between the yin and the yang, which is the brain. Which is the Wuji, which as Daoists,
because yin and yang, it's like a universal thing. Everyone goes, well, what is that? You're a Daoist.
What does that mean? Have you ever seen the yin and yang? Yeah, look, I got a tattoo on my arm.
Well, there you go. That's immigrated at a higher level. And people don't even realize they're
resonating with this messagerie that has been around for 10 or 20 years, even when Jade Emperor
was roaming the earth 20,000 years ago, then into the yellow emperor, who was the guy who created
China, which then created like Chinese medicine, alternative healing, all that infrastructure was
from 10,000 years ago. And so you have all the sense. If you really think about it, as human
beings, we create derivatives almost if we're in a lack of consciousness, we're always going to sort
of get negative. But there's always been enough people in history to bring about a level of
understanding of consciousness. Because the one I can point to is Jesus. Jesus brought about the
idea of grace, which is a both and it's a grace is both and it's both sides of the mountain.
And a lot of other faith traditions or journeys, they've all said the same thing. But now science
is now saying, Oh, guess what, we're discovering this thing called the unified field in math. And
guess what, it looks like the kingdom of heaven. It's there's a weird convergence happening,
not to use Joe's word, but just life is beginning to shift dramatically, because
life doesn't look anything like when we were kids. Yeah, no, no, no, I concur. I mean, but I'm also
having conversations with people that still believe in Newtonian physics. So yeah, you know, I mean,
he was a mason. You know, he was still trying to find some meteorite underneath the planet
to tap into the power source instead of the heart, right? They're looking for power.
If you believe in all the conspiracy, but I mean, there's been a lot, you know, the whole,
they're missing the point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And I mean, that goes back to Darwin's
theory. And then, you know, we're still operating on those three type of constructs of reality,
just within Darwin's theory, that, you know, reverts back to what we've been subject to for
the last couple of years, right down to, you know, attrition by, you know, famine and other things
of that nature. That's how, you know, his observation of equalizing the reality due to the
fact that human beings replicate much faster than plants. So how are we going to feed a population
that's in excess? We need to homeostasis, we need to regulate that. When, of course, that's quite
a fallacy, but, you know, we go down that rabbit hole. I mean, conspiracy theory in of itself was
designed by someone creating some psychological construct to deceive you in its nature. And I
think it came back to some type of organization that might be government in their nature that
created these types of mind prisons that we speak of. And so, you know, I mean, it layers on and on
and on. But I mean, Darwin's theory is who hasn't heard the good old fashioned one, survival of the
fittest. And that's Darwin's theory. That's straight out of his mouth. And we're still replicating it
now in 2023. And people are like, Yeah, you know, just, you know, that's how it works. And I'm no,
yeah, we've shifted. A lot of people say that doesn't work anymore. No, it's a consciousness
level raising that says, Wait a minute, no matter how it's not religious based, it's just human
based. That doesn't work. And a lot of people are really beginning to I think that's that
consciousness shift that I see happening. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it's really when you use that
word. It's most people are still like, What is that? What does that even mean? Like, I don't even
know what that means. And that's like, I really love that part of like Bruce Lee. Back in the 70s,
just before he died, he did a couple of interviews. And it's like, because he was he was practicing
Taoism. So it was like, that, you know, flow like water, my friend, is the consciousness. And so you
have that rippling effect that echoing. And like today, now it's, you know, the forefront of most
people's first observation, what is, you know, what is awareness, that is meditation, what is
consciousness that is being aware, I mean, two of the same up and down in and out, a higher level of
sensory perception. I mean, this is how we've sort of like evolved that, you know, if you 20 years
ago, you you couldn't get on the internet and look up psychic mediums that wouldn't have existed.
Also, we have seen there's a dramatic shift between even my generation, I'm Gen X. And my
kids generation, millennials and down, they don't have the religious baggage that our generations
do. So that resistance, I don't see any of that in their generation. They start with homosexuality
is not a problem. They start with religion is for the masses, and I'm not interested. They start
from this idea that but they're also missing out on hope, because the world is kind of a weird,
bleak place right now. And I think we're at a place where something's got to change.
Right, right. No, no, we're at that point. No, no, I would, I would agree with you. But
there's sort of like a cycle spirituality, religion, this is a cycle that human,
human humanity has been going through for hundreds of years. And so you go through these cycles,
my most, the most interesting thing that I'm observing is this dismissal. And when you dismiss
religion, you also dismiss people's belief systems. Unfortunately, this country has been punished by
it. But let's be honest, take a dollar bill, and know what the foundation of this country came from,
which was in God, you can go on. Right. And so there's a level of that. And being a Dallas
priest, people would be completely blown away when I tell them one of my favorite pastors in the world
is Joel Osteen. And people like, Whoa, what is wrong with you? Yeah. Have you lost your mind?
Is this guy, this guy's just a ponzi scheme done in money laundering, God knows what, I mean,
they go through this whole gamut of different things. When you understand how channeling works,
and you go and watch one of his sermons, there is a shift of energy that takes place with this guy
that is second to none. And how do I know this? I do this all day long. And it is really, really
profound. And, you know, he gets me so deep. It's like in the end when he goes, and now it's time
for you to take Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior into your heart. I'm like, damn straight, I'm coming in.
I'm in Jesus wherever you want. I'm here. I'm in. I'm in brother high five on that one. And it's
like there's that beautiful collective that comes with that. And so you know, I mean,
when you dismiss that, and especially with your, your, you know, your children's generation,
there's this psychosis that's going on too. And we need to be aware of that.
Very much so.
And so there's a lot of like, there's like this, you don't understand, but I've had, I've had
friends that have paid absorbent amounts of money for higher education for their children,
to literally the last couple of years want to lynch them because they had a different belief system.
So it's kind of like, hang on a second, you're training someone to believe a certain thing and
be trained in the thought process that then becomes very limited. Right. And you're like,
hang on a second, what? This doesn't even make sense. How is that possible? And, hey, I spent
$400,000 to have someone, someone of my children tell me I'm a racist. Wow, that's kind of
blind blowing to me. When we all should get along, we all should accept and allow each other. But
then it's that programming that we speak of. So it's like, I'm really curious to see the dismissal
of that, the acceptance of spirituality, the realization, because there's this, there's this
like level of tolerance. We talk about, you know, you talk about homosexuality. That's a huge big
thing, especially within, you know, you know, originally, I'm originally from Australia. So
we have one of the biggest gay, gay communities, probably in the world, if not, I've never seen a
gay Mardi Gras, a gay Mardi Gras, bigger than the one that they put out through Sydney, Australia.
At the time, there was 3 million people that populate Sydney. And at the gay Mardi Gras,
there would be over 5 million people attending. So epicenter, that that type of, you know, madness.
But, you know, I personally, I have my own sexual preference, but I don't go around going, Hi, my
name is Dallas Master Sanquin. I am straight. It doesn't sort of enter my programming of how I
perceive a reality, or even somebody sort of like a level of judgment. But that's sort of like,
neither here nor there. But understanding that being all the same, that kind of acceptance,
and I mean, that's probably not so much the framework of like Christianity, right?
So Christianity is, I think, to a certain extent, historically lost, but kind of kind of
coming into its own. I think what's happening now is a lot of the bullshit factor of Christianity
is being burned away. It's kind of like, yeah, that doesn't work.
Power structures, there's not only the abuse in the Catholic Church, but even in the Southern
Baptist Convention. And that's shown to be even more horrifying, because it's not hierarchical,
right? Each of these particular congregations has their own autonomy, instead of the archdiocese,
the bishop says, hey, let's scuttle this guy over here. And then they have to take him, right? In
this particular case, they're very aware of what's going on, and they're willingly sending them to be
predators at the next particular place. So push that aside, Jonathan. You're absolutely right.
We've lost our way in terms of that structured kind of Christianity, right?
Yeah, but what happens is you take that coating off, and you can start allowing the Spirit,
which is just energy, to move, finally. Because historically, the last 1800, 1900 years,
Christianity has been an extremely masculine, head-dominated faith. And it's never been able
to drop into the heart, like Jesus showed us. And now I think that is going away, and that
it's beginning to drop into its heart. Sure, sure. And I mean, again, always remember
your perception of your reality is your truth and your truth only the only truth that you need to
be concerned with. So everyone has a starting seed point. I always get a lot of these people that
are spiritual. I'm a guru, I'm a pastor, I'm a priest, I'm an enlightened one. And then they
look at the individual, and then you see the seed of judgment, which is truly not accepting and
allowing. It's like there's a very delusional sense of what's going on in your life. And then
you see the state of realization, what is truly consciousness? Consciousness is all things. And
when you truly accept and allow all things, then you're not being adverse or diverse or inclusive
or exclusive. You are one with all. And that's the part. That's the distinct nature of it,
is it includes both sides of the polarity. And in any direction, for any emotion, any experience,
all sides are always inside of the unified field. So there is some measure at which they can
find a space that road less traveled. We had a guest, Brittany on, and she kind of went the
opposite direction as us, and she explored nihilism and kind of the outcomes of that.
But she had a really great idea, which was all life exists on the spectrum of the differences
between people and where they come together to find their humanity, that thin line. That's the
road less traveled. That's where it's not polarized. It's in that middle space. And that's where we
find life. I think that's a beautiful perception, observation. Consciousness in definition to me is
you're sitting at one end of the table. I'm sitting at the other. There's an orange in the middle of
and you sit your way and I sit my way. It's all the same, yet we're accessing the same information.
And so the validation is the information. The validation is psychics, mediums, healers,
enlightened people, less lightened people, judgmental people, non-judgmental people,
good, bad, and ugly, green, gold, orange, all that comes together as one. And when we're able
to realize that, then we have a high level of... The biggest fallacy is people get caught up in
whatever practice they're into and they're like, I have to master that. So there's this expression
that especially within the alternative healing, there must be a death. And unfortunately, I would
have to disagree absolutely 1000%. My personality is my personality. I love 80s movies. I enjoy
working out, powerlifting, bodybuilding, playing with action figures. Yes, that's right. Understanding
that I can hang out with my five kids that all love to do all these different things. And then I
can go and the power of my attention intention is envelop San Quinn, put him aside, access the
higher level of ascension and consciousness and affect an instant healing, affect an instant
manifestation, an instant realization. There is something greater than creativity. And that is
evident by the experience that's before me in this 3D reality from a 5D. And it's all about validating
what's going on. It's not just this spoken word, which is so very important. It's being able to
show you I'm a show you show me type of guy. It's like, okay, that's really good. Now show me. And
that's where people kind of get a little lost because they're still conceptual. And that's a
beautiful place. There is no right place you you get into your place wherever you're at. If you're
at wherever you're at, you're only going up or you're you're you're getting even higher. It's
just wherever the dial is for you to turn it on, snap it on, turn it up another few dotches,
a notches, and that becomes realized. Right. One of the things that I was thinking about going back
to this conflict we've got in the Middle East is that when you look at what happened in the turn of
the first millennia, you actually had Jews, Muslims and Christians all working together, but they were
under the guise of mysticism. And if you look at the Alhambra and you look at Alphonse the 10th,
he had all of these people at his court. And that's when you had real synergy. Right. That's
is where I mean, there were some different backgrounds. Right. But at the same time,
they all saw the same energy of the big G. Right. And it's so sad that we have this reality. Right.
We have this reality of this actual convergence coming together with brilliant kinds of things.
I mean, the Alhambra is a sacred geometric edifice. Right. And you can just see the love
and intention that went into that place. It's just absolutely miraculous in terms of tranquility and
just presence. Right. So, I mean, I guess what I'd like to figure out, Jonathan, we got one more
question, but again, we kind of talked about it when Jonathan was getting his power cord.
Where would you begin if somebody asked you, where would you begin to say, how do we heal what's
going on here? Let's move everything else. Let's move the trans, the religious versus the gay
agenda. How do we go to that conflict and begin to figure out ways to heal that scenario?
Is that the question? That's the question. Well, I mean, understanding that this is all
a catalyst of perception of reality. And that would be moreover, if you believe that
religion is your thing, if you believe that there is a separator between these two forces that are
fighting for the same space of land that is holy in their nature, their perception, their reality,
conflict, that's being generated. That's manmade. This is all a manipulation. All this stuff. I mean,
I could go deeper into the manipulation, but it's just straight up a manipulation. It's
in no way something that they just stumbled across. Someone had a bad day and they went just AWOL
and started murdering people. This has been a catalyst for thousands of years. And it will
continue. If you understand the quantum model, it's a fractal pattern that will continue to repeat
itself over and over and over again until you change that. And so how do you change any fractal
pattern instantaneously rather than waiting for the same trauma to come up again, which is generally
how you measure in time when the next event is going to take place due to the trauma that has
already been generated, instantly access that you can accept and allow, generate a high frequency,
the gamma brainwave. And I always ask people to take the 72 hour challenge. And if you accept and
allow everything in your life for 72 hours, you will be drama free and have an effortless experience
and ask yourself, what am I doing with my life? I don't have a problem. I am absolutely happy and
content and embracing everything. I think I need to poke myself in the eye. Maybe I'll put my hand
in a doorframe and shut it because it's effortless at this point. And that's how quickly you can
break that fractal pattern. And so with that said, that fractal pattern will continue. And unless
there is a circumventing major element of change, which is not going to happen, we're just going to
witness this until the end of time. This is it. This is Neo and the architect having that
conversation. The architect is saying, you've been through this. We've killed Zion. It's happened
over and over and over again. And then Neo opens the door and he breaks that fractal trauma that's
going to happen again and again and brings about the salvation of the movie, if you would.
That is that moment. Groundhog Day. If you want to take it from a psychological perspective, have you
heard of the RAS, reticular activative system? Yeah. So basically that's a real fancy psychological
way to go. That's your unconscious and you can program it any way you want. Just go buy yourself
a red car and you're going to walk outside and start driving down the street and go, oh my goodness,
there's a thousand red cars out there. That simplicity is too simple for most human beings.
So the idea that I could access my unconscious that quickly and program it any way I want just
by thinking that is the whole problem with it in of itself because then the complexity
ravels off into another complexity, into another one. And then we start thinking too much. And then
all of a sudden the face value that I speak of and have this whole time, which is childlike,
accept and allow everything as is, never materializes because, but did I say it right?
Was I process, did I call in the right energy? Did I pray enough? Did I say the right word?
No. When you're the universe, it happens instantaneously. So that means if you just think it,
it's so. And so that's kind of like comes back to when I had my first experience 30 years ago,
saying, heal, heal, heal, heal, heal, heal, because I had no expectation. And so the part
of materializing a manifestation is to removing the energy. I mean, the emotional content. Well,
when you remove the emotional content and you're not invested and people are like, I get people
that call me and say, oh, my grandmother's dying. She was put into a coma. Can you help me out? I'm
like, sure. No problem. Done. They call up the next day and they're like, my grandmother went out
of, got out of a coma and she's all right. And then three years later, she's having the best
life ever because all I'm doing is opening a space of consciousness. That energy is coming in and
ramping and supercharging that event. And because I don't have an emotional content, I have,
I'm not, I'm not excited either way, whether she passes away or whether she heals, it's up to
the individual. But understand this, I have a few skills that are trained in accessing that
consciousness. And with that comes a level of manifestation, magic, healing, creativity,
and that's from creating a higher level, a higher frequency. And that's just something you train in,
just like exercise. You go out, you exercise, you do a workout, you lift weights. The same thing
happens when it comes to the training of these energies. You, you palpate them, you master them.
So they're, they're absolutely the distinguishing difference between when you think, feel, and know,
and it's all realized.
You're on mute, Jonathan.
There we go. Son, it's an absolute pleasure, uh, hanging with you. This has been
an incredible conversation. I love having these conversations with people who can kind of go this
deep. Uh, this is probably one of the deepest podcasts we've had, especially around the idea
of manifesting an energy. And I appreciate it because, um, I think a lot of people are
sort of looking for what's next. Um, and I think I'll tell one quick story and then I'll close is
I, 15 years ago, I read the Dao De Ching and I remember feeling completely guilty doing it,
going who the fuck cares. And I was, after I finished it, I remember saying to myself,
what was I worried about? And I want to encourage anybody who's in that traditional space,
just take a little risk, have a little bit of courage to try and try what I did. Just read it
and see what you think. And if you don't walk away, I think you'll be totally surprised. So
Son, thank you so much for joining us. Um, it's been an absolute pleasure, Rich, any final words?
No, just an absolute pleasure and digging in deeper. And I'm looking forward to having
additional conversations. I'm just a few hours away from Nevada. I'm in Ventura, Southern California.
So, um, look out for an email and look. Yes, I would love to have you down to the temple. My friend,
I have probably the largest Daoist temple this side of America. So yeah, we can do a podcast there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, I mean, that's it. A little final words on that Tao
teaching. Understand just like any scripture, it's a living scripture. I have a lot of words
that are just like, I mean, it's not just any scripture. It's a living scripture. I have
students. I just had a student on my podcast and he's been reading it for 12 years. Every time he
picks it up, it's like, I just read this and it's completely different to what it was when I read
it yesterday because it's a living scripture. And that's that evoking charge that comes with you.
And you'll gravitate to it. Your truth teller will tell you. And it's just, uh, it's been an
amazing day and very grateful that the two of you invited me on your platform. And I thank you very
much for sharing your time with me and your audience sharing their time with us. Absolutely.
All right, everybody. It's been a wonderful week. Uh, this is living in the matrix. If you can,
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