I should have had this done like five minutes ago.
Apologize.
Don't be sorry.
It's a royal thing.
Yes, Roya saved my butt there.
No, I was so late.
I felt so bad.
But you know, Pablo and Jeff were coding and I just didn't know how to tell them, hey,
I have the good luck of this person.
No worries.
I'm just so excited to get there and meet everybody.
So I'm so glad I got to meet you and that you're here right now.
So welcome.
Thank you.
And Sir Sweepy, thank you.
Oh my gosh.
I mean, for a frog that's named Sweepy, he sure is like one of the most active frogs
I've ever seen.
That's funny.
Yeah, serious.
Thank you for setting all these up.
These are great.
Him and Tanel did such a great job.
Yeah.
Tanel, thank you too.
Yes.
Tanel has been an absolute fucking pleasure to work with.
Tanel, my favorite co-host.
Say some words.
Way too kind, way too kind.
I'm doing stuff in the background so I can let Sweepy shine here.
He's the star man, the interviewer, the DMR, the main man.
I fucking love you.
Nasheed Abil, I appreciate you coming on, man.
It's been a pleasure.
From the moment we met, you've been absolutely amazing.
It's been incredible.
I really appreciate everything you've done for me.
From literally putting up with all my fucking requests for features and you're just like,
yeah, I'll do that.
No worries.
That's fucking amazing.
No.
As much as I can, it's a pleasure.
The whole Nasheed Abil, everything has just come from feature requests.
No.
Thank you all.
You're my first customer.
I'm forever going to be proud of that.
I'm going to buy myself a plaque or a trophy and I have to frame it.
I honestly do.
Holy fuck.
I tell everybody I know.
I was his first account.
Do you know that?
No.
It's amazing.
Thank you.
I'll show you in the database.
You're number two, so no.
Under me, I'm number one.
Okay, okay.
I'm number one.
I want to test this stuff out.
But no, thank you all.
Yeah, this is awesome.
How does this work?
Are you going to ask questions or do I just start talking about stuff?
Honestly, the format is completely up to you.
It's freedom.
Frog Talk is literally whatever you want to do.
If you want to crack open a beer right now and say, fuck everything else and just drink
beer, it's all good.
If you want to get super serious and just talk about new upcoming features and what
got going on. We could absolutely do that and we'll ask you serious questions.
I feel like the crack open a beer and say fuck it was directed at me. I'm just feeling
a little bit attacked right now. Yes, I do have a couple of open beers here. All right.
We can do both. I say it's probably better if we do both at the same time.
Yeah, that sounds like fun. Also, I just want to-
Roya, you were bringing the beer the other day last night, right? Yeah. It was so funny
because I saw that driving back from Bevmo and I just had the two six packs on the back
of my car and I was like that is hilarious. We were synced. We were synced. Yeah. I also
just wanted to thank you for being the person who lets me upload my many selfies and randomness
on Nostr. So thank you. That's all. Yeah. Oh, no. Most of them I approve. Some of them
are a little bit adult material, but the other ones are-
Don't tell Tatum that this is a secret file. He's going to lose it. Oh, no.
I mean, I can give a short update just because there's been like a few kind of like updates
and broken things and stuff like that. So, you know, maybe it can just open things up
for questions and discussion too. Yeah, that's perfect. I'm about it.
So I guess one write off is the new website is pretty much all done except for the accounts
page. So we're doing some fine tuning on Roberto's fine tuning the design on the accounts page
and it looks awesome. I think if you haven't seen it, like, well, I'll post it after this,
but it's like a whole command control center. It looks really cool. So that's coming along
great. Some of the issues we've had lately with images. So I guess just in short, you
know, we haven't been, not all the people that use Nostra.build or clients that use
Nostra.build for the backend use that. Like we built this API for this like JSON returns
a proper JSON of the link to the image. And so basically there's a lot of different ways
people have been integrating. And now we're kind of pushing people and it's but it kind
of breaks things because if everyone's integrating kind of their own way, then, you know, when
I change the website or something, change the name is what I recently did is I took
out Nostra.build from all my file names. So now it's just the pure SHA256 hash for the
file name. And it broke some of the backends like Iris.to and some of the DOMs users from
the app store. And so basically simple, simple break, you know, we've already found the fix
and we're working on it. It's just images and you still copy and paste images. But I
guess, you know, for anyone that's new on this kind of talk that, I mean, that stuff
just happens. It's going to happen in a decentralized type environment because if it was centralized,
you know, we all use the same file format. We all know what everyone's doing at the same
time exactly because we have like the same boss or something and it's different. And
so, yeah, it's a little better user experience, but it's all by the same guy. And so you don't
have, you know, people fighting with Vitor about, you know, using NIP95 or whatever.
It's just he decides to do it across the board and everyone has to like it. So we don't have
that. So, yeah, it might break some images. But I mentioned earlier, I think that's kind
of a feature. You know, that's something that, you know, that comes with this decentralized
aspect of Nostr. But anyways, images are fixed. The good news is everything's moving towards
these APIs, including Iris Toe and Domus and the App Store version of Domus. Snort's already
using the API version. So it's definitely a lot more controlled. What else? Sir Sleepy.
We had an issue where we thought there was a possible image copy over. Right. And so
this is a big deal. It's one thing if people, right, if your image doesn't go through, right,
and you're using a different format or you don't have audio or just, you know, I accidentally
delete it or it gets deleted or whatever. That's one thing. Or I broke it, right. And
it's just not working the uploads. But it's another if someone uploads something and it's
someone else's picture, that's a huge problem. And so, you know, it just can't happen. And
there's a couple reasons why that could happen. I mean, it could be anything from a fat finger.
In Sir Sleepy's case, it wasn't a fat finger. But or it could be in one really weird case.
I've never seen it before. We had it was a Domus version issue. And different people
saw it in a different version. It had something to do probably with the way a note was decoded.
It was a one off. It potentially could happen because I hash the image. And so, you know,
there's that one in a jillion chances that the hash could be the same as another image
and it could copy over that previous hash. That's almost impossible. Or it could be just
some some other like stupid programming thing where either, you know, in this case, maybe
it was the JSON wasn't they weren't we weren't using an API. And it wasn't, you know, that
we were decoding something improperly or on my side, it could have been, you know, there's
a there's a some milliseconds when the image is under a certain a tip name. And so moving
that out and like shortening any kind of processing time and renaming it quicker, you know, a
solution. So anyways, all this stuff is still, you know, it's getting figured out. It's it's
been we have the solutions to these recent image issues. And so that comes I think that
just comes with, you know, comes with being a decentralized, new, I mean, this is less
than two years old, kind of network. Like, for example, I didn't even know that Domus
and Swift BTC had implemented me on the upload on the back end, right. So I had an API and
they implemented me like separately. And so I was like, I kind of found out when everyone
else found out like a month ago or a few weeks or whatever. So, you know, just that that
kind of, you know, it's just different when it's decentralized. That's the image issues.
What else is going on? Cost. I mean, last month, I had a big issue with cost. This month
is almost over. So I've been watching my cost closely and overages. And I am super ecstatic
to say that there have been no overages. I mean, maybe today or tomorrow, but the month's
almost over, which is awesome. Yeah. So basically, my bill looks like it's going to be less
than two hundred dollars, which is awesome, because last month it was five something.
I still have like four hundred and some five hundred dollars from this AWS activate startup
grant. It was a thousand dollar grant. I've used a little more than half of it. But the
point is, like we need a grant or no grant or whatever. We've got to keep the cost down.
And so it looks like and also I've had about the same amount of uploads, if not more than
last month. You know, we've had really good uploads. And so that's good. We've had a lot
of uploads. We've had we're on the back end of a lot of clients and we don't you know,
we're not paying six hundred dollars a month. So costs look great. What else is going on?
Does anyone I'm taking a break because I feel like I've been talking a lot. Does anyone
have any questions about anything that like I've just been rambling about?
How is the footster integration coming along? There are so many pictures and it can't happen,
right? Whenever we're integrating this, what the front end of the website. I mean, what
I it I have, I don't know what should I do with it? I guess that's a question. Should
I collect the pictures? There's a hashtag footster. Can you pull like so if you are
like, are there ways that you can basically like pull together anything that has been
like uploaded that is like you can categorize it basically, I guess, like if it's not from
an account, it might not have their end pub attached to it.
I would just go. I just go through and then and see him like just go through the view
wall and just grab a lot. So you see a lot of feet. Yeah, it's been there is a few rushes.
There's always a lot of feet that trickle in. I every time I do see something related
to feet, but there's a couple spikes too. So no, I definitely have a ton of interesting
feet content. But yeah, what would I do with it?
Well, that's the question. Well, you know, we'll talk offline on the on how we can create
an inclusive revenue model that really loops in all of the creators.
Speaking of which, on another. So let's talk about some account features. One thing I really
want to do with creator accounts is make it so and it came up in a note not long ago,
make it so you could sell like your original files, right? Original sized files and you
would just display like a thumbnail, but people could, you know, whatever, a thousand sats
or ten thousand, whatever you set a price and sell it. So I forgot who someone just
recently created something that I potentially can integrate with that helps artists sell
their content. You remember Walker who that was? Was that Pablo?
So there was there was Zapit, which is the one that has the paywall option. Pablo has
a highlighter right now, which is allowing you like I'm assuming the highlighter could
also like I think that it has implications outside of just like the written word. I'm
guessing I know he says he's working on some other stuff right now. But are you talking
about a paywall instance or something different? No, it's like a paywall. Yeah, it's basically
it was I'll dig through my notes. I think that's Zapit by Ethan. It may be Zapit. It
was some sort of basic paywall. And I remember seeing it and thinking, oh, I can integrate
this to the creator account so they could sell their art.
Now, I'm actually if I can ask a question of you, I'm curious because I've read so
Durgigi has a really great piece on it's the value driven internet, I think, or I'm forgetting
the exact title. He just he shared it today. Again, he wrote it a while back. But it's
a really interesting read. And Durgigi is someone who is actually very against the idea
of paywalls in general, just given the nature of information that it wants to be free. It's
like this arbitrary way to reduce reach. I am still working through this person trying
to figure out what I actually like, what is my opinion on paywalls in general, I right
now I'm of the opinion that there are use cases for paywalls, where it is actually a
good thing. But I'd love to hear maybe just your your thoughts on it, especially as somebody
who is, you know, running the largest, you know, image hosting service, like, paywalls,
like them don't like them in, you know, inherently bad, always good, something in the middle.
I'd love your thoughts.
And yeah, I'm curious to like, what would separate or define a paywall, like, separate
it from just a regular means of commerce? You know, because if it's just so you can
read something, you know, like he writes blogs, and, you know, I get it, right? Like, you
should let the information flow. And like the like, New York Times or something, you
know, like, you know, not like we'd love to read them, but like,
Boo, boo.
But they all everyone they're all exactly all they're setting up all these big paywalls
to read crap media anyway, but the why there shouldn't, you know, yeah, so I think to that
point, there probably shouldn't be paywalls on like, content and media from any sources,
ideally. But then at the same time, you know, as far as like a regular enterprise or company
or business, you know, you have to sell stuff. So like, I feel like if you're a creator,
and you're putting time into some art, like, like you Walker, you have tons of art and
information that you don't sell, right, that you just give out freely and create for the
community. But but at the same time, I'm sure there's content that you know, you accept
some forms of payment on if it's donation or whatever, you probably don't turn it down.
So you deserve it, right? You're a creator. So what like anyone that creates anything,
you should get paid. So I don't know. Yeah, I guess it's defined. How does he mean by
paywall? Does he have does he distinguish it differently than a regular means of commerce?
Yeah, so I think that is like, and again, it's like a fairly long read of an article.
So I don't want to try to like, butcher his overall mess. Let me like, he's basically
getting at Oh, sorry, my dog is apparently hungry, even though he already had breakfast
and some lunch. So I get that if you are putting a paywall in front of something, it's going
to arbitrarily limit the reach. And if we believe in a value for value based system,
where all value exchange is voluntary, then okay, maybe paywalls don't make sense. But
I also think that we're thinking of paywalls in the more conventional sense of them as
they've been implemented to date, which is like, okay, you know, you can't read this
unless you give the exact amount that we dictate. But like we were talking with you found yesterday,
and throwing around the idea of like, okay, you know, what about a paywall where it's
like, you just have to zap like one sat, like, like, you know, or you have a minimum amount
that needs to be zapped. And if you want to give more, you can like, I think, I don't
know, again, still working through this, but I think that there are ways that they can
be implemented, where it's like a really nice thing. Again, somebody can still go beyond
that paywall, take a screenshot of whatever it was, and go post that wherever they want.
So like, it is a bit arbitrary in that sense. But maybe does it make giving and getting
value for something you create a little bit easier? I don't know. I think Gigi would probably
argue no, it doesn't, because it creates this arbitrary barrier. And if they want to give
value for it, they'll give value anyway, especially now that zaps are a thing. But it's tricky.
Like it's a it's a difficult topic. It's hard for me. Yeah, I would have to read I want
to I want to read it what he talks about. But I would I'll DM it to you. Yeah, I just,
I would almost lean on the other side, maybe just because it's you would have to start
discriminating against what is a business someone's business, like what what can they
actually sell? And how do they set it up? Maybe the paywall is, I mean, even some, you
know, journalists, maybe if they're, you know, startup journalists, and they have some excellent
content, you know, and we all like them, you know, maybe they should set up a paywall for
certain articles or something, right? Like, it's a it's a and also, if you if you don't
want to do it back back to it's a free country, then don't set up your paywall. And, you know,
if you don't want to pay for a paywall, don't pay for it. You know, it's like, it, you know,
it's okay, I'm not against them, because maybe I just never use it. And I never set one up
for something. But it doesn't mean I'm, you know, I'm not against them. So you know what
I mean? Like, it is tricky, because like there are at this point, like, also, the images
that I've posted are probably like point oh one percent of the ones I've generated, like
I have actually such an insane backlog of images, both of like AI generated stuff, and
also like from years of photography, that are just like on my phone, like my camera
roll is absurd. And I but the ones that I've posted, it's like, I will see images that
I've created, like floating around all over the place, with not necessarily any attribution
or, and you know, no value, like going back to me. And that's fine. Like, I'm glad that
people find something that I made to be valuable, right? And that's, that's awesome. But it
is something where it's like, hmm, if wherever you got that image from, I was able to accrue
some sort of benefit for you taking that image, then using it, and you using it to generate
zaps for yourself. Well, that would be a nice situation. Yeah, I don't know if paywalls
are the answer to that. Or perhaps just a better model for attribution and zap splits.
Yeah, I, I, I have artists in my family and in my history. So I have kind of a soft spot.
And I know, like just donations to artists, don't cut it, as I know, you know that. So,
you know, I feel and I think donations in general is helpful as they are. And they have
literally paid the first couple bills of Nostra dot bill just donations. I mean, it wouldn't,
you know, it's not a salary, right? And it's doesn't, you know, it helps the artists and
it helps all of us. And it's a great way to for us to like test this economy. But I'll
be honest, there's a huge difference between the donations I got and started to sell accounts.
And you know, so it's literally like, it's a lot more, there's a total difference. Again,
it's not enough for me to quit my day job. And it's definitely dwindled down, but it's
still way more than donations is no comparison. So I just feel like if you could work on something,
what, you know, whatever it is, if it's an app, or if it's, you know, I would pay for
I mean, some of the videos that you guys do, you and Carla do, I wish there was a way that
would force people to pay whatever 100 sats 1000 sats, you know, like really force them
to just pay a little bit so they could see it because it's nothing to us. It's a few
cents and it's going to end up, you know, being worth your weight to do that video.
So I would be on the side of I would like to create some sort of, I don't know if you
want to call it a paywall, but some way that people could create things, you know, and
get paid for that value. And if it's a cheap AI crap, and no one wants to buy it, then
fine, right? And no one wants to pay. If it's an awesome, like, you know, video that you
guys spend hours and hours on, and you're asking like 10 cents to download it, gosh,
oh my gosh, of course, you know, let's buy, let's all pitch in and get it, of course,
right?
Well, that's another interesting thing that Gigi brought up today, actually, was the idea
of like a crowd wall. So basically, a content is unlocked when the content reaches a certain
threshold of zaps, regardless of if one person has it reach that threshold, or if it's a
thousand people all giving a couple sats and it reaches that threshold. I thought and that
was something I hadn't thought about before that I think is kind of an interesting concept
to work around, like, okay, so, you know, multiple people want to see this, they're
all going to give whatever value they think it is, you know, potentially worth to open
it up. And with video, it's tricky, right? Because like, the reason we make our videos
and, you know, the reason Carla makes them, because I'm the one just, I'm just the pretty
face, you know, she's the production, she's the singer, director, main actor and producer.
But I get her wine when she's in the production chair. But the reason we make them is so that
as many people as possible can see them, because we believe in what we say, and we want that
message to get out. So it is that's where I think I see, you know, Gigi's point of like,
a paywall in our case, would really limit the reach that that could have. And if we're
trying to get it to reach non Bitcoiners as well, well, then really, that's, you know,
against our interest. So it's like, you know, I don't know, it's a it's a tough question.
It really is. It depends then what you're doing it for. So in this case, it might mean
this is my first thought, we're kind of brainstorming talking through this. But I mean, my thought
is like, okay, so you're doing this for reach and to share, get the message out, right to
Bitcoiners. You're not trying to, you know, you don't, you're not doing it to survive.
Right. So yeah, like, we both have day jobs, you know, like we've got like, so that that
that pays the bills for us. And granted, like, it takes us like, when we put out a video,
like, it's like, you I mean, at a minimum, like, a day, nobody gets it, or, or a couple
days, and people really think it's like, oh, that's just 60 seconds of video. It's like,
60 seconds is a couple days easy. And that's probably not including some of the editing
and extra stuff, the total law, and just the ideation process of like, okay, first, we
got to actually have an idea and then write a script, and then make sure it's actually
factually correct. Because, you know, we're Bitcoiners. So we're trying to tell the truth.
No, exactly. So no, if it's and that's what I'm saying, like, if it's a free world, if
in that case, you want to get it out, I don't use it. And I'll watch your video. And I might
give you a very small tip. And we're all happy. And then I'll share it out and more people
see it. And we're happy. And you don't there's no pain wall or nothing. Or if you do feel
like it's it's really you did a lot of, you know, a lot more research, it's a documentary,
you know, I actually really liked your New York Times paper, you know, thing.
You know, I produced that one myself, actually, I was pretty I was pretty proud, as I was listening
to these nests yesterday. It is it's very true. And, you know, something like that.
I put something like that. Yeah, maybe you want to get the message out. But I'm just
saying, for example, maybe you put a lot of a lot more effort and you want to make the
point or something. And you do want to charge a little bit, right? Like I would at the same
time, if I'm interested in that would pay, you know, it's good, you should have the option.
I think people should have the option. We shouldn't just say no pay walls, you can't
do it this way. You know, I think there should be 20 different ways you can charge for something
and if you don't like it, you know, it's a it's a free market, it won't work if it
doesn't if it's no good, right, people won't use it and it won't work. So let's try it.
Go from there.
I do have a question from Daniel for you. When will there be a meme gallery that's searchable
with tags?
That's OK. So that's a very tough that's a good thing we can talk about a little bit.
The way that we upload images now is it's super simple. It literally takes the person
it person's image. It does a hash on it, which gives it a unique name. It's basically a alphanumeric
kind of name and saves it to a drive. There's no database. It doesn't have any other information.
We actually strip out most of the metadata information except for like the orientation
and like the size and the name or something. But I mean, that's all the data and when it
was uploaded, right, the typical file like when and then if I look, of course, like we
talked about it in Costa Rica, I could find the IP address if I looked up the logs. That
is all the info we don't to do what people are wanting, like to have it searchable. We
would have to create a separate database that takes that. So two big feats. One, we'd have
to start putting literally every image and video and everything in a database, which
is what we don't do now. We just put it in a folder like a file folder. So we would have
to categorize each thing in a database and then we would have to add all the tags to
that image because we have to know, we have to put it somewhere and remember it. So we
have this image of a lake with a cabin on it and the moon or whatever. So you want lake,
cabin, moon or whatever the meme with the frog, with the girl looking at the Vegas strip
or whatever. Frog, meme or frog, girl, meme, Vegas strip, all that. So we have to have
the database to store all that and we get 2000 images a day. So that's already kind
of a very big database. Secondly, we have to find out how to get the words. How to instantly,
within a second or two, and I know AI can do it and I've seen conversations go by, but
we can't manually do it. No one can just manually go through and add all those tags. We'd have
to hire a team. So AI would have to do it. And so of course there's cost to that. There's
dev work to that. So it's a big, it's not as easy. I wish it was as easy as it sounds.
We talked a little bit about maybe we can, instead of building the database, maybe we
can either put it in the file name or we could put it in the metadata, something like that.
But that's difficult because different images have different metadata fields. Again, if
you're stripping metadata, I might strip it out. It may get stripped out at some point.
So it would be tough. It's harder than it sounds.
I have to make this stupid joke. I'm so sorry. I can't believe the metadata is stripping.
I'll bring some dollar bills and I'll make sure to have a good strip session with the
metadata. I'm so sorry.
It's okay. Henry was saying we were talking about accounts and someone was, how do I get
billed for an upgrade or something? And they were like, Nostr.build, B-I-L-L-E-D. That's
hilarious.
Oh, that's perfect actually.
I try to always have a free service though. I will always have free service.
I think that...
It's hard. Database is hard.
Yeah. I really think that... I feel like during your Nostrika... I'm sorry. The word's not
coming to me. I'm just going to say panel. I know that's wrong. But you were talking
about you work and then maybe do a subscription service. Is that still on this table by any
chance?
For what? For which kind? Like an account service?
Yeah, for the photo uploading, just to contribute and help you out.
I have the accounts already.
Okay, perfect.
You can get an account and I just launched it right around that time exactly.
Oh, perfect. I missed out. I'm sorry.
Oh yeah. No, no. And it's very simple. It basically gives you the option to... It doesn't
compress your files or images at all. You can upload any size video. A lot of people
just want to upload larger videos, very large videos, so they can upload whatever size video
basically. And then some of the accounts, you can see all the images that anyone ever
uploaded on Nostr.build where we just hit over 200,000 images. Over 200,000 images is
actually big for four months. I think barely four months. And so, yeah, it's still going.
That's a lot.
Yeah, funny little story is a couple days ago, I was feeling a little like... And I
found it's just me, I think. I felt like things were a little slow or maybe I just wasn't
getting into Nostr that much or I just felt the conversations, I wasn't sticking to them
or clicking with them or whatever. And then I noticed I was checking out the metrics on
Nostr.build and actually uploads have been high in the last two, three, four weeks. I
mean, we actually, there was just three, four days ago, there were 3,100 unique uploads.
It was like the highest ever. And so, yeah, even though I thought maybe that was just
my own personal mood I was in or something. But as far as Nostr, Nostr and Nostr.build,
things are going pretty strong.
I am so happy. I do have a question. What made you start this? Everything? What made
you want to make this and contribute this whole... Because your contribution is just
so immense and so big. And did you ever think that this is what you're going to do?
I don't know. It's funny. I mean, just in very short, I saw Henry pop up. That's so
cool. Hey, Henry. The story of Nostr.build in like 30 seconds, but I did get a degree
in computer science. So we built a lot of basic uploaders and sorters and just basic
programming there. I actually didn't use it in my career, but at one point I had a...
I lived in Brazil for like a year and a half. And I've always been very passionate about
the people and the culture and the country and all that. And I had a good friend in Brazil
and we had... And this was like, I was in my 20s and I was living in Miami. And it was
a Brazilian bikini business. And he would ship me Brazilian bikinis and I would sell
them on a website, Rio Body. And I would go walking on the beach in South Beach and sell
bikinis on the beach years ago. And at one point on the website, we needed to make an
uploader because we needed models. And we had an image uploader. And so I built an image
uploader at that time. And so that was the last time I'd done that. And so as far as
just programming, I just would... Like most of us, we just make little projects every
now and then. Whenever we have an idea or something, we'd make a project or whatever.
In this case, I was sick of Twitter. I was looking for my Bitcoin community is really
what it was. And so I was a Bitcoiner before I joined any social media, anything. And didn't
find anything. Of course, there's nothing on Facebook. That's all friends and food and
stuff and weird conspiracies. And Twitter and they're all... And I joined Twitter a
long time ago, but I didn't use it until maybe three or four years ago. And the Bitcoiners
there, it's hard to filter the real ones. And then when I joined Nostr, everyone seemed
really real and really cool and helpful. And the only thing that was missing was a way
to upload images. And I was like, I got this. I've done this thing before. You should have
seen my bikini website. So I made this image uploader and I did it and it worked. And I
shared it with some people, like the little friends that I had on Nostr. And then it just
kind of took off. And it's something that I'm glad that I'm super glad that I can contribute
to the community with it. That's a story.
That's incredible. Before you jump in, Henry or Walker, I just wanted to ask, I know we
haven't talked about this in so long. It's probably been weeks since we've talked about
this special feature that I had mentioned. By any chance, do you know what I'm talking
about? Shoot, you're asking me?
Yeah. Remember image? I had to do images and it was the size of them. It was an incredibly
large size and there was no reason for me to be uploading something like that.
Oh, yes. One of your large AI JPEG that we never could get uploaded.
Exactly. I have a whole fucking shitload of those.
Okay. Let me escalate that back to the top of my list. It's getting messed up in the
stripping in the metadata stripping part. If I take that out, it uploads fine. So I
can do it if I don't strip its metadata, which it probably doesn't need it stripped, but
I got to just do that for you. But yeah, so I'll figure out a way how to figure out a
different function or something. I'll work on it.
Let me know. Let me know because I honestly don't care about the metadata associated with
that because it is AI generated. So it's all good.
I think I can. Exactly. I can find a way to filter that through. People are uploading
four or 500 meg videos fine. I think it's just that JPEG that's getting caught up. Sir
Sleepy has this big ass crazy AI JPEG that is freaking out my functions.
It's pretty fucking ridiculous the size that it is. There's no need for it to be that size,
but it just is. I apologize.
I'm wondering if it's even like a normal JPEG format or if it's some sort of weird JPEG.
Nah, it's definitely not normal. I'll tell you right now what it is while you answer
somebody else.
No, I'm sure it is. I'm just fucking.
It's probably like super JPEG or some shit like that.
So let me work on it. I'll get a way to upload it for you. No problem.
Appreciate you, man. I really do.
How's it going, Henry?
Pretty good.
How are your uploads?
It's kind of slowed down. I think ever since Nosterville got integrated with Dom, people
have just kind of been using that.
You're integrated with Dom as also though.
So yeah, you know, you were the only two options.
Right. Yeah. And I don't, you know, like it's kind of cool. I did that. I don't think anyone
doesn't like me.
Hardly even notices.
Because I don't know who's like, oh man, I fucking hate Nosterville. I'm going to, you
know, I'll be like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if I was like the only one actually using that on Dom this right
now. I think I just, I actually, I just found out like yesterday that Amethyst integrated
it too. Cause I saw like Dieter posted like that screenshot about it's like NIT 94 thing.
I'm like, saw like Noster image on there. I'm like, oh, okay.
That would be nice. And I think I'm hoping we evolved to something like this. And I think
we've chatted about it before Henry is like, if we were set up a little more like relays
because you know, it's, we go down sometimes, right? Like you go down, I go down, it just
happens. And so it's good to have a backup. Like, it's so easy to just switch in between.
So yeah, I mean, they've barely just started using APIs until now, Henry. And remember
we joked about that. I DM'd you, I was like, did you even know that they integrated us
on the backend? And you're like, no, I guess they just reverse engineered us or something.
Oh, was that like, was it like, oh yeah, Dom is yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, that was the Dom's
one. I knew it. Like he talked about like doing it, but I didn't know he was actually
doing it. And then one day she's like, oh yeah, Noster image and Austin build. Yep.
It was just on. And, and, but what he was doing is I don't, I guess he's maybe doing
the same to you, but he was parsing that return the whole page. So he was looking for that
certain file in that whole page instead of using like a JSON. Right. Like reverse engineered
the whole thing. Yeah. So, I mean, we're getting there. I mean, you know, now that they have
our APIs and you know, maybe they can set us up a little and that, you know, I go down
sometimes, they know that I'm not always up and they know that it's good to have a backup.
Yeah. You know, I was like, I was thinking about this. I was like, like, I remember like,
it was like, what, like, I think like once it first got integrated, like the Noster build,
like just kind of like went down for a little while. I'll say it'd be cool if Dom is could
just like, like, you know, like if it makes a request to there and it fails, like it could
just back up, they use Noster images, like a backup. Yeah. Like auto, yeah, just like,
yeah, exactly. Just auto switching whenever something's down or whatever. So that would
be an interesting feature that I like the idea of having multiple upload sites too,
for different content. You could have a couple that maybe auto switch for backup. You can
have some that are just super secure. You can have your own personal backup, right?
I mean your own personal. So what if you have your own?
Oh, you're talking about like blasting it to like different websites, you mean?
Well, now I'm just thinking like, it's good to have different. Oh yeah, different choices.
Yeah, different choices. And it would be really cool exactly to piggyback a couple of them
as backup and make that whole thing like super integrated. Yeah. It'll come.
It'll come. Yeah, that's like, it's hard, right? Like everyone's got like a different
idea about like what to do with media. Like it doesn't seem like it's really hard to
like find a common ground on this. Yeah. That's I think the part of the challenge
of being like the decentralized aspect, right? We don't have one common boss making us all
do the same thing. Right. Oh, what is your thought on like the Nip94 and Nip95 and stuff?
I've been really keeping out of it. Some of these things on Nostr happen so fast. Like
I can't believe they're already planning for NostraAsia already. Like I can be in trouble
with all this stuff. But like Nip94, I'm just going to keep doing images for now. I mean,
if something starts sticking, then I'm glad to but I haven't even hardly looked into it.
Right. So yeah, you know, actually, I raised my hand because you guys were talking about
a while back, like, I think like, like tagging, right? Yeah, like trying to like categorize
your image. Like that, like, kind of like made this like spark in my mind. I was like,
that's seems like exactly what Nip94 was made for. So it's like, like, you know, like you
don't you know, you don't say you don't want to like store a data database for all your
stuff. Like what you can do is someone say someone uploads an image to Nostr build, you
could just blast a Nip94 event out to, you know, as many reasons as you want with like
information about that picture with all that tag information. And then that would be the
tag instead of the database, right? That would be your tag database would just be, it would
just live on Nostr. And then anyone could use that in any app, you know.
No kidding. Just use Nostr as the database. No shit.
I think like that's kind of what the Nip94 was made for with stuff like that. And that's
kind of where all this controversy came from. Because like, because Veeder was just like,
like, screw that. I'm just gonna. Right. I'm gonna use this for text posts, which is broke
everything. Yeah.
I'll look into that. That's it. I wonder if, I mean, even if it's just one, I wonder if
I could just send an event to some, just somewhere that basically make it a database, right?
Doesn't have to be super, it's public, but just something that anyone could easily access.
Right. Right. Yeah.
It could be a Nostr. I mean, you could, you could have like a Nostr build relay that you
set up or something.
Okay. I got it. The good thing is I'm finally, I mean, the funny thing is like, literally,
we just got the website, like built basically, like in the last four months, finally the
website's at a decent place where it looks half decent and it works and it's pretty secure
and.
Man, Rob did such a good job on that redesign.
He did. Oh my gosh. He did a beautiful job. It's super professional.
Kind of not going to let kind of miss, miss the charm of the, of the old 2001 looking
website. That should be like a theme option. You'd be like no Nostr build classic.
I have it. I named it v1.php. So I'll, maybe I'll, I'll post a note about it after this
or something. Like if you're still like the old school Nostr.build, go to v1.php. You're
still in the header. It's, it still has that last header before I transferred everything
over.
Yeah.
What else is top of mind? Next steps. I don't, Henry, are you doing any like any new features
coming? I got drag and drop, but you had that already. I just, just got it.
I'm a, I'm mostly focused on stemster right now. That's kind of taken all my time. Yeah.
I mean, every, like Nostr image, it's like, it was a cool project. It's kind of just kind
of taken the back burner for me. I really just made that because, and this is, this
is a story that is like, I think you and I joined Nostr like pretty much around the same
time. Like right after like Jack started promoting it. Is that right? Is that about right?
It's like 20 days, like December 22nd, 23rd. Yeah.
Yeah. So I mean, it's like this is kind of the same, like you and I had the same thought
process. Like I got on there. I was like, Oh, there's no way to upload images. Right.
I think it was like, I started like going all these image hosting websites and they
were just like so annoying with all the ads. And are we going to make an account? And then
once you upload it, it's like, there's 10 different links. You have to figure out, I
was like, why isn't there a site where I can just drag the image into the page, click the
link boom. And so yeah, I just kind of made it. It's just like, I really just made it
for me and just kind of like, because I was annoyed with how terrible all the other ones
were. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, now that's like, it's now that we're integrated in like all
these apps have are starting to integrate things. It's like, I don't really have feel
much of a need to work on it anymore. I kind of like feel like the need for a separate
website is kind of gone now. Yeah, it works. It works. I don't know what to do with all
this content. I just think like, it'd be nice to do something a little more interesting
with it besides just letting it sit there. But anyway, what did you say? You're working
on stemster now? Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to take away your time to promote my thing.
No, I have a little list of images cost the new website, the API's and that's it. No,
I gotcha. What is stemster? So it's like, oh, hey, Rob's here. I don't know if he wants
to come up. I'll bring him up. Either way, you guys are up on the next slide. Yeah. Yeah.
Rob up here. Rock should be getting here soon. He's a Ben is either going to be late or miss
it because he got confused with time zones and ended up scheduling a haircut during our
time slot. So are you next? Are you guys talking next? Yeah, we're talking next. Oh, cool.
I want to listen. I'm trying to intrude or anything. Are you talking about stemster next?
Yeah. Okay. Okay, cool. So I'll definitely listen for that. I guess. Yeah, as far as
my section, there's I don't unless anyone has any questions. I don't have any other
updates. I'm sure I could ask some questions. So yeah, on the master chat, somebody was
asking about if you're planning on adding I'm trying to refresh right now. If you're
planning on adding any other formats, audio, yes, audio formats. And I know for a fact,
you already have that because I upload MP3s all the time. So yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I put
it on personal accounts. I was trying to put it on it. Just keep it on accounts. But I've
had so many people like request to put it on for the free. I'm going to put it. I need
to do it. I'm doing it. I'll do it this weekend. I'm doing it. I didn't even notice there was
like a big difference in that. Like, I'm so thankful that. Wow. So we've been had all
these features for the premium accounts. Yeah, yeah. But so many people are requesting for
audio. I'm just going to add audio. It's okay. Yeah. To the free. Yeah, yeah. It's also Pablo
did this really cool kind of like audio podcast player. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly I think
why they're asking for that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that that's just recent. So no, I want
to I reached out to Pablo to he can somehow integrate me too, if he wants. Oh, shit, that
would be so cool. That'd be cool. Right? Yeah, we had Pablo on MSVs actually in the audience.
No, he's not. We could try to get him. How long do we have? I chatted with him a little
bit already. I DMed him and perfect gave him an API. So he should be good. Oh, yeah, he's
going to make a lot of use out of that. I thought his ideas. Oh, man. You're in for a
wild ride. Yeah, no, he's I met him and not Sariqa character. What a great guy. Yeah.
Love his energy. To be honest, it was great. And I killed it. I loved hearing everything
you had to say about the upcoming features and everything. And I'm actually funny enough,
I don't know if you've ever released it. I think you didn't. I'm actually looking at
the Figma for the new design. I look so sick. Oh, it's gonna. Oh, I mean, the in the next,
I guess just one thing I can end with is like the biggest thing that I have the next coolest,
biggest feature, but it's going to be very dependent on each app is I want to integrate
accounts to auto upload. Right. So you'll have like, let's say a little toggle button
instead. You know how normally when you auto upload an image onto your note, you have like
a little image button and you choose your image, you'd have a little toggle next to
that image is my thought. And the image would be your free upload that we're all we all
know and love. And then if you toggled it, if you have an account, it would know already,
right? Because I could, it would just search, check the database if that user has an account.
And if so, it gives them a toggle. They can hit the toggle. It would then try it. Then
all your uploads would be into your account and they would be using your account settings.
And you could also then look at all of your, you hit the little image next to that and
you can look at all the memes and everything you have in your account, right? In your folders.
And then even look into like creator accounts if you want to use their memes or anything
like that. So account integration is like the next big feature that I'm really looking
forward to integrate. So it just, it depends though, right? Because it depends on everything,
right? On, on the, all of the developers, what their idea of how image upload should
be, right? Like I can't just go and make whatever I want. That's kind of, again, the beauty
of Nostr, right? We all have to get along on what a, what a, it's how is it going to
work, right? So, but yes, there should be some level of account integration coming.
That's awesome. Have you actually already, have you announced all of these updates? Because
I don't want to like leak anything. And I wanted to ask you about a specific feature
that I see on here.
The only thing is the account integration, like there's nothing, and that's more like,
again, I have to, I haven't done any work. First of all, I would have to do the work
to get it approved. You know, Will and team would have to approve it on Domest, for example.
So I haven't done the work and it's not, so it's not, it's not, the work's not done
and it's not up for approval. So that's probably too early because it may not even get approved.
We may have to come to some other agreement, but everything else as far as a new website
and Rob's on, as far as like the new website or the new account control panel or any of
that. Yeah.
All of that is already, okay, so I was curious, what does login to BTCPay actually mean or
do? I know it's a stupid question, but I'm just curious about that one.
For which one?
The login with BTCPay.
Oh, that's just, yeah. Depending on the account you have, there is, we have a BTCPay server
on Nostra.bill. So you can create your own little store. And so you would create a BTCPay.
It's a payment, it's a Bitcoin payment processor. For those that don't know, BTCPay is a, BTCPay
server is a Bitcoin payment processor. And we have one set up in Nostra.bill. And yeah,
so it's an account feature. So you can create your own BTCPay and so you can have, you can
create your own store and stuff like that.
Oh shit. And you basically sell the JPEG itself, like the actual link and somebody takes it?
You would have to create, like, so for example, like when you make, buy the account, that
was all made on the BTCPay server. So you would have to have like your product. And
so let's say you have four Sir Sleepy cards, right? And you have Sir Sleepy in the morning,
Sir Sleepy in breakfast, Sir Sleepy, whatever. And you want to sell them. So you would create
four little like checkouts and upload the image, you know, of those four checkouts,
put a price to them. It will create a link. You can then use that link and put it wherever
you want, right? Like as a store.
I see what you mean. I see what you mean. That's pretty fucking cool. I like that. Yeah,
I could definitely see, we were talking about this earlier, specific type of content creators
using that.
Yeah, exactly. Like you could just create, if you wanted to sell a super high definition
image or something, right? And you can put the thumbnail pic in there so they know what
it looks like. But once they don't get the high def download version, I mean, you could
just send it to them. And once you get paid, you would just send them the high def version
or something like that, right? So you could easily create a store like that.
That's super dope. So I just want to say that I really appreciated your time. And I am super
thankful that you spent, you hung out with us and you spent this whole hour here with
us. And it's super knowledgeable. I learned so much. I'm actually like super fucking tired
and I'm so thankful that there's literally one hour left. But I really, really, really
enjoyed this whole hour with you.
Oh, thank you. Thanks for having me. This has been a blast.
Thank you for being here.
It's been a blast.
Tenno, Royal, Walker, any last parting goodbyes?
Absolutely amazing the job you do at Nostra.gold. All the announcements were on Nostra.gold,
so wouldn't be announcing them without you.
Of course, sorry.
Keep up the great work.
Yeah. Thank you for everything. And it's nice to speak to you again. And thank you for being
on here.
Always a pleasure. You guys are a great community. So really enjoy it.
We love you, man. Keep doing great things. And we hope to speak to you very, very, very
soon. I hope you come to Miami conference so we can hang out like last Nostra's days.
Yeah. I'm trying to get the family to move back to Florida. I used to live in Florida.
And so we're trying to see if we can. It's a big long shot, but I'm in Florida a lot
anyway. So next time I'm in Miami, I'll look you up. I'll let you know.
Oh, let's go. All right. Say less. My DMs are always open.
Yeah. No, Florida is a home to me for sure.
Awesome. All right, brother. Speak to you soon.
Okay. I'm hanging out here. I'm going to watch Henry and Robin.
Say less. Yeah. Just stay right here. Let me just turn off the recording real quick.