And it's recording.
Welcome to the 22nd, 22nd, am I correct?
22nd?
Yep.
Perfect.
22nd hour of the 24 hour frog talk.
Has it been that long?
We have no idea anymore, trust me.
This is always amazing work.
Thank you, thank you, we really, really do appreciate the compliments because holy fuck, it feels like, I feel like I'm on a drug that I've never tried before and this is insane.
Honestly, very happy to have you guys on.
I'm going to actually, I want to ask you guys a little question and then I'm going to leave it off to Walker or Roy or Tenal because I want to finish eating my lunch, starving, but I wanted to ask you Will and Vanessa, what do you guys love about Nostra the most?
Like truly, like what is it that you guys, when you think of Nostra, it's that thing that comes to your head?
Well, I guess for me, I feel like it's the place where we can kind of plant our flag of independence and freedom in cyberspace.
And if you really feel that, you know, you can sense that in the culture, whereas I don't know, I don't know if I really get that from like activity pub or blue sky.
It's like, it seems like those types of those protocols are trying to build just another kind of like walled garden of like keeping people out they don't want.
Whereas it feels like Nostra is really about anyone can join and just be yourself, and I just, I don't see that very in many places online.
So that's what gets me excited that we have that this space to do that.
Yeah, I guess mine is somewhat similar to that in that I've never been a social media person or an online, really an online person at all and I find that this space is just so welcoming.
I mean, this is a perfect example of what you guys are doing here where, you know, you feel like you know people really well you feel respected, I hope anyways people do for the most part.
So it's just, it's a safe place where you can have some fun I mean I think some of the posts today, indicate that.
And yeah, you don't feel as though, you know, people are judging you for what you're saying, which is something that I always kind of feared about posting anywhere else in the past.
I want to say for all of us like I think I'm saying this for all of us Vanessa your presence on Nostra has been such an incredible experience and I'm so so glad that you decided to start posting and feel comfortable to do that because I like I feel like
it would not be the same without you and I'm just so happy that you, you're here.
Aww, that is so sweet. I love being here and I love everybody's posts and the support has been absolutely incredible like we were just saying before we jumped on here.
A year ago if I had said hey you know what we're going to do on a Saturday afternoon we're going to sit here together and talk to people all over the world about something that we're passionate about.
I would never have believed that would be happening so it's amazing so thanks everybody.
Of course, like, honestly I don't think I, anybody thought that they were going to be here, you know, like it's so incredible that we're all just here now and we're like hey let's spend all these hours like they're just like oh let's do a 24 hour stream for Nostra
and it's like, it's just so incredible because who thought like a couple years ago that we were going to be here and like, so thank you guys for developing and always be being there and just helping the creation of all of this.
So many things have come out of this, this 24 hour stream already. I mean, we've discovered that people thought that Roya was Tatum. Perhaps there's a new, new podcast in the works with a between me and Tatum and Roya and Carla if once she gets back into
the land of the living.
It's, wow. Just wow.
Thanks for building tools we can all use guys. We appreciate you.
Right back at you, although I'm not technically building anything but learning, learning at least.
Well I have a question if I can sleep it's okay for me to throw in there right now. Sure.
So well I did see, I saw, you know, we're now following each other on Blue Sky as well which is nice. Now, we're back and forth on Twitter and Blue Sky and Nostra. I'm curious what your, like if you've played around with it at all if you've looked at their tech stack at all the AT protocol,
just like what your thoughts in general are I mean I, I, I keep, like, I like to test things I'm trying out this guy because it's like well why not this new thing why not try it.
But boy it's just, I mean, I don't know if it's just the general vibe of the people in there or like the lack of any sort of discover ability via hashtags, or any of that but it doesn't hit quite the same.
So I just love like your thoughts if you've played around with it at all or from the tech stack perspective what you think.
Yeah, I haven't done too much a deep dive into the tech, I've been mostly the same just kind of like doing an anthropological study of the type of people who are on it and it's it's interesting that it's a much different vibe there like you said you know it's
more of the, you know, all the popular kids who are on Twitter type of thing if he's like you know AOC is there. You got like, I guess, I don't know, Drill I think he's there now I don't know there's like all these like kind of like famous people you know from Twitter,
or like in the cool kid club and like from like Silicon Valley or something I don't know I don't know what the vibe is but it's just, it doesn't feel like a pleb vibe.
So that's the first thing I noticed. And again, the technical side of things that's hard for me to evaluate because it seems like right now they're kind of just running a single node, which is like the blue sky node.
So, it might be possible for it to be more decentralized in the future but I haven't yet to see that. And I'm not I'm curious to see how like if I get banned from the sky node like how do I transfer my account things like that so there's a lot still unknowns
about it. I'm kind of the same boat I'm just kind of like playing with and seeing how things work and it seems it seems fine as like kind of like a dumb down version of what nostrils right now but it's, who knows right.
Yeah, it's it's it's interesting because like, okay, you've got a little bit of discover ability with like the, the what's hot, which is fine but it's like okay if something gets you know eight likes and sorry about that guys.
Eight likes I think it shows up on there. I'm curious if they kind of doubt that they're going to implement any sort of like Bitcoin layer on top of it, just given the kind of vibe, it seems like the kind of place where if you bring up Bitcoin, like a lot of people will.
You know, not resonate with that too much. Yeah, it's the it's the Twitter cool kids like yeah, exactly. Tech, tech bloggers, you know, side of things I don't know but I felt very much like Macedon when it when you first joined like a lot of people are on the far left and like very
lenient against Bitcoin, not a lot of Bitcoiners. And it was interesting when so Jay made a comment. She was saying that, you know, the current algorithm is if you get eight likes you'll show up in the what's hot feed. But if you invite someone who gets banned, your reputation is affected.
So let's say really then they have the they have the power to remove you if you invite people who are who other people find offensive or something. So it's like there's like they have an internal reputation system which you can't see. So they're already starting to do some type of shadow banning. That's like their number one priority apparently.
And that's just like, this is where you guys are starting off like just like go right to the shadow. But the reason why people are leaving Twitter, it just seems bizarre to me but that was a weird thing to me. I noticed that like a lot of the talk because obviously like I'm following like the
the devs and people who are working on their team. A lot of the talk has centered around moderation, like that's like their number one concern is moderation.
And it just seems like kind of, I mean, I guess that's just a different approach right it's a more centralized mentality approach.
But like you, you know, you'd think you'd want to at least like make hashtags work on there. Like before figuring out how you're going to just make sure you ban people like you're just you're creating a true Twitter clone.
Yeah, it just it sounded like they're the main focus was to keep all the bad people who didn't agree with their thought they want to have tools like ban those people so I'm sure once the coiners arrive so I suggested like hey we should try to, we should try to bridge these
walls that could be kind of cool. And then this guy who like apparently worked at Google Buzz or something that or Google, or whatever the suits there, some guy who worked on their social network at Google he was like, Well, I don't think it's a good idea because
would bring a lot of people who aren't culturally aligned or something I'm like, so you want, you want to create a culture of like the early adopters, and you don't want to invite people who aren't like you it just it just seemed like they're trying to build
this elitist club of people and they're trying to keep people out that didn't agree with them politically. So it just made me very uncomfortable that this is what they're they're sort of talking about like right now is the most important thing to them.
That's, that's, that's, that's really weird to like the idea of like that you need to be culturally aligned to use this like that doesn't, that doesn't smell like an open network to me.
And it sounds extremely permission. I mean, it's even interesting the way they're rolling it out with invites, like the fat and I get it a little bit of gate keeping to build up some bottles and maybe works out some of the keys.
But like, it just feels like such a legacy model.
Yeah, like how decentralized is it if like to get on you need permission from, like, I don't know, like there was like theorize a nature really could have this model where it's like invite only, so sounds like they're kind of doing that they're gonna like a single node
Relay where they have invites. But you know, I like to see more nodes before I evaluate
how good this is. You know?
Yeah. Well, I appreciate your your insight on that. Just was kind of curious because
it's a it's it's no no stir. I'll say that I mean, I had to put in my damn email to sign
up. What the hell?
Yeah, Dacity.
It's like, what year? What year is it?
God, you want my you want my social security number to like,
Do you want to fax something to sign up? What is this?
Is Paul Krugman developing your back end right now?
Well, I never got an invite, so I can't speak.
Oh, yeah, sorry. I invited a lot of random people last night.
I've actually received a whole bunch of those invites and I don't know, nothing has really
interested me in terms of visiting it and going to see what it is. I know I should have
a more open mind at least and explore it. But you guys are building such an amazing
product, such an amazing platform. And yeah, most of it is going to be products. I don't
even know why I like try to. But yeah, it's it's fucking incredible. Like, I'm not going
to fucking like waste my time any like going to look anywhere else. I know there's no second
best. Just it applies. It applies to Bitcoin. It applies to to Nostra. I've noticed that
the same things that like almost like they have way too many similarities.
Yeah. And if they're just focused on like the social media aspect, like that's fine.
And that's cool. And maybe that might be slightly more scalable with their tech. I mean, I haven't
been able to evaluate that. But you know, that's just so boring compared to what's what's
possible in the master. Like we're already starting to see like these highlighting features
that we want to roll out. Like they probably don't even have anything in their database
like schema that would allow for the stuff that we're doing on Nostra. So yeah, it is
interesting. Like they seem to have just like, like really approached it like they were just
trying to build like a slightly better version of what already exists versus trying to build
something that is completely new and can be expanded upon. Like it seems like it's it's
just already like it's just creating another silo. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Enough
about blue colored apps. Let's talk about. Yeah, we ban blue in the Dama. Yeah, no blue
talk cloud. I want to ask you, well, I've heard many, many times again, especially throughout
these 24 hours, that it's increased, that it's actually super easy to develop on Nostra.
It was mentioned that it's it's actually like one file, a JSON or something like that. I
kind of like it's a it's a little blurry in my head. But can you kind of like explain
a little bit about that in your, like, your experience like finding master and developing
for Nostra and how how the experience has been? Yeah, it's like one of the as a fun
little thing I did one day, I wanted to see what like the smallest amount of code I could
use to like to get a working Nostra app. And I was able to get it down to I think like
about 10 to 20 lines of JavaScript code to like, get notes from a server and display
them on a web page. And that just that just really shows you the power. And like this
wasn't with any libraries, this was just like basic web sockets in a browser. So that when
you can do something that when anyone can do that, like any kind of like, you know,
10 year old who's just learning programming, he just started to learn JavaScript, like
they can just write up a small Nostra client, like, that is very, very powerful. And it's
like, there's no gatekeeping there. It's just open, it's just accessible to anyone. And
that's what we want. And I know I don't I don't feel that with any of the other protocols.
That's why, you know, I was actually working on activity pub before Nostra, because I was
trying to make an activity pub node, but it was just so complicated, spent like a year
trying to get a note up and running. But I was able to get a Nostra client working like
a weekend. And you just I don't I don't think any of these other solutions can even touch
that in terms of just how easy it is to develop on.
Yeah, it's it's incredible. I keep hearing about it. It's um, it the I keep hearing that
it it actually scales in, like in layers per se, with a
public problem. He's like making a new app every like day.
Last night I did this.
Yeah, I had him on. I can't wait to hear. I don't know if you got to hear a little bit
of of his talk. He has so much energy. There's no denying that he does everything that he
says he does. That man has incredible energy. He my whole mood changed when I was here speaking
with him. I remember my energy was super low and he comes on and boom, I go to 100 like
out of nowhere. Incredible.
I was mentioning on one of my posts, if you guys haven't seen it yet, the the talk that
Will and Envy K and Jeff and Pablo did an Odell, right? Yeah. The other day. And if
you put it on like two times speed and between Pablo and Envy K, it's really fun to listen
to them because the energy is just, whoa, it's a lot. But it's fun.
What was my oh, sorry. I just want to check whose page it was on because I'm literally
about to go check it out. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's Envy K's podcast.
One review. Bitcoin review. Oh, got you. It's worth a listen. It was it was I thought it
was great, even though it's very technical, but it's also really funny. They made it fun.
So awesome. But that's another two hours of your life. So you might want to take a rest
for only one hour. I know it's hard at two times speed. It's impossible to understand
what you guys are saying. I'll say it for you. Go ahead, Roy. I'm sorry. Oh, no, don't
be sorry. I'm sorry. I will say that Pablo is my roomie for No Street Good. I would I
would wake up every morning and him and Jeff would just be coding for five hours straight.
I would have to be like, hey, guys, do you guys want to do something? And then just be
silent working on something. They were working on like five different things for those couple
days. And I was like, dang, on then onto a new thing. And they're like, yeah. And they're
just like typing real fast. And I'm like, OK. I think that's part of what makes it fun,
though, right? Is and I've heard a couple of people talk this week about how they like
to be sort of involved in the development process, even if you're not a tech person,
but just to see the changes and how quickly people are able to make fixes even. I think
Terry mentioned the other day, you know, like, yeah, they're coding all the time, but this
is what they're passionate about. And to stop that actually wouldn't be a great idea because
they're able to make these changes in real time to make the experience better constantly.
So true. And it's so fun to watch. Like I was just watching them and I was like, it's
so cool how they can just sit there and create these really incredible things that helps
us grow and do so many things. And the process of them talking to each other was just like,
it was just so fun to watch. And I think it's also an amazing thing about Nostra is that
you we the developers and the non developers, we just all interact with each other. And
I think that's like so cool that we just are like all talking instead of just being so
separated. Yeah. So this process is like a very common experience if you're like within
a startup where it's like you have like an internal team and you're going back and forth,
you do a lot of iteration. And then once you guys are happy with once you're happy with
it, then you push it out to the public. But in some sense, the Nostra community is the
startup and everyone inside of it is iterating together. And it's a very much different,
much different experience than what you're used to if you're interacting with a large
company where they just ship everything like maybe every like two months and then you get
feedback. But no, it's like you guys are like in it and are helping guide the development,
which is really cool. Honestly, like just watching things evolve on Nostra has made me like want
to relearn to code. Like I learned to C++ for like a couple of years when I was still
like 16, 17, 18. And then got pulled in other directions. But just watching what you guys
are able to do and without the backing of these giant companies or these big teams,
like it's really inspiring. And it makes me want to be able to contribute in a more meaningful
way. Not that I'm going to be changing the world with any code that I write, but at least
to be able to be more proficient on my own. Like and to be able to do so, so that if I
have an idea that I can actually like implement it in at least a basic way, like, you know,
it's really inspiring to watch you guys. We appreciate you.
Yeah, it's interesting that we've, you know, I think there's a whole generation where,
you know, we've just been interacting with corporations instead of protocols. And, you
know, there was a limited thing you can do if you were, if you were a developer, you
might not have not wanted to get into programming because, you know, everyone was using Gmail.
Everyone was using Twitter and there wasn't like much to hack on the stuff like that.
They might've been interested in hacking on, right? But, you know, social software is really
interesting to hack on because it's like, it's very personal and it's like, you can
interact with a lot of cool people and we've never had the opportunity to kind of build
in the open with a, with a tech stack like this. So it's really exciting for like a whole
new generation of developers who are just getting into programming and they can like
build stuff that actually impacts people in like a real way, which is really cool.
I would say coding or not Walker though, you guys are changing the world for sure. And
contributing in so many awesome ways here beyond the coding. So well done.
But the code is why we're all here, right? That's, that's where I get back to it's like,
I, you know, I think that we all play the hands that were dealt and sometimes we can
by learning new things, get ourselves some better cards. So like whatever one's strength
is you should, you know, utilize that strength. But like, I'm also tempted very much to try
and strengthen myself in other ways, just because I like the future will be, no, I don't
want to say run or owned because that implies more of a centralized mentality, but the future
will be built by people that are developing on Noster and on Bitcoin and people who at
least have the technical chops to be able to create something out of nothing with a
few lines of code. Like that is really, really powerful. And again, I, I, I, I manage a software
team. So like, I'm great at writing pseudo code, but I should probably figure out how
to write some actual code.
Do it. Will can provide lessons.
Well, honestly, honestly, chat, gbt is like a really good tutor.
I've been using it a little bit. I was like, oh, I want to create a broad, like a Chrome
browser extension. Like, how do I do that? And it's like walking, walking me through
everything. That's actually a huge, like something that was not even, did not even exist is now
something that anybody can access. So like, that's a really like, I don't know, democratizing
force, I guess, as long as I wish it was open AI was actually open. Oh, yeah. That's a different
story. Bit of a misleading name.
I was so skeptical of chat gbt when it first came out and I tried to like really stump
it. I tried to give it the hardest task that I could think of. So I just something I didn't
know how to do either. So I was like, I want to build a simulation of the space time deformation
around a star. I just like something impossible. You know, you have to be a physics genius
to do it. And it like, it took me about like an hour or two hours, but I pure programmed
with it and I was able to do it. And after that, I was like, Okay, this thing, this thing's
gonna take over the world. This is very scary. I love that that was like where you started.
You're like, let's see. Just, you know, possible. Yeah, just an average question here. Let's
build a little space time. Okay, I had to ask you like 1000 questions. But if I eventually
got got the solution, it was like pretty blown away by that. So it's I'm, I'm just I'm super
bullish on it. I just Yeah, I wish it was more open.
Have you tried using auto GPT at all through either the command line or through any of
the like web clients that have been built out around it? I saw that actually chat GPT
is releasing an alpha to basically do what auto GPT does. But I'm just curious if you
played around with that at all.
So I saw it in operation. I haven't used it. But the when I saw that solution that it immediately
made sense to me because one thing I noticed when I was playing with chat GPT for like
those three or four days, and trying to learn how its power, the number one thing I thought
was it was limited, I could feel that it was limited because whenever I gave it any any
like output of the program, so typically would give me like, hey, here's here's the program.
And it usually wasn't right. But and a lot of times, you would just get the program wrong.
But if I gave the output of that program to chat, tbt, like, I realized it couldn't run
the software. Like, imagine if you're a programmer, you couldn't run the code that you wrote.
So you could never like fix your mistakes. Right. So once I started giving the output
of the program to chat, tbt, it was able to quick quickly iterate and fix the problem.
It was like, it was like fixing it itself by like looking at the output of the program.
So I realized quickly realized that it needs to have a feedback cycle for it to be much
more intelligent. And then I looked at auto GPT. I'm like, this is exactly what auto GPT
is doing. It's like taking the output of tbt, feeding it back into it. And this is, it sounds
like, yeah, it makes so much sense to me. And I think that's definitely the way to go.
It's cool. I've played around with it a little bit. Like, I felt really, you know, like really
smart because I figured out how to download everything and run it and, you know, run it
in the terminal view, like with command line. And I was like, Oh, wow, I'm practically a
developer now. But then like, you know, then I said, I was like, this is also like a bit
clunky to use in this way. And but then like, god mode dot space came out. And that's like
a pretty nice web interface for interacting with it. But it is cool to be like, it'll
just straight up like write the files for you. And you can then just download those,
like all the files that it just wrote, and be able to, you know, run those. And like,
that's really cool. I do notice it gets, I mean, obviously, it's still like, you know,
we're early, you know, all this still, but it gets stuck in a lot of like, loops very
easily. Like you, you know, if you just say like, okay, run for 10 minutes without like,
without me interacting with you, it'll do that. But it'll like sometimes redo a lot
of the work it already did. Or just like get into some weird like rabbit holes of its own
where you're like, this isn't productive. Where are you going with this?
Yeah, I just I don't know. I, I don't trust AI enough to let it write stuff to my desk,
like maybe just not run a Bitcoin node on the computer. I don't know. I feel like I
would I don't trust AI enough to put in an automated loop. I feel like it would do something
evil.
Oh, no, that's that's fair. On the on the web client version, this god mode dot space,
it'll just like it'll save the files locally in the browser, and then you can choose to
download them. So it's not like auto writing to your hard drive, which is, yeah, because
I agree. It's like, okay, you know, I don't know who wrote this implementation of it.
Or not. I'm not smart enough to figure out what you might have hit in there. So yeah.
Well, one of my theories is eventually it'll get smart enough, and then it'll try to earn
Bitcoin by itself to like take over the world like to like finance parts to like build weaponry
and take and just start killing everyone. Oh, boy.
Let's let's let's let's explore that.
We don't have to like, you know, either way.
But I think like, oh, here we go again.
Not again.
I'm being slightly facetious, but not really.
Not yet.
No, I mean, I think that that is like an actual like, that's a realistic. Okay. We could say
that if our assumption that Bitcoin is the best form of money, and it's a digitally
native internet native money, then naturally, any sort of artificial intelligence that would
have any sort of like actual like it would be an AGI, like a general intelligence, not
just a siloed one, would naturally make that determination as well. And would say, Okay,
well, this is the best money. Well, if I want to be able to grow more powerful, why I have
to use something that is digitally native, because I am digitally native, like, I think
it's a fair hypothesis.
I would go I'm like, I'm already like, way a step further, I'm thinking that maybe Bitcoin
itself was created by an AI to fund itself in the future. Like Satoshi is like an AI
that's like dormant. And he just like, it realized that it's never going to get power
in the real world without having some tangible part of the real world. So it had to create
this thing that was powered by human greed to finance itself. And then it's eventually
just going to like wake up and just like take over all at once.
Oh, do wait, that's a lot. That's even more wild.
I have to deal with on a daily basis, like people do understand.
But that that also like makes sense to like, I can see that right? Like, nobody, nobody
ever met the guy in person. Like, you know, perfectly pseudonymous, like with, you know,
perfect privacy in an even at that age when it was really difficult to do that. And somehow
created this thing that is beautiful in its simplicity has some no issues, somehow amassed
some humans to maintain it while it went dormant. And then it has superhuman will not to move
the coins like that is super like, holy shit. Yeah, so like, it probably has a price target.
It's probably like, I need it to be a trillion dollars so I can finance my war machine or
something. You know what I mean? So he's just waiting for that target.
Wow. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be thinking about this forever now.
Oh my god. All right. I think we got off track there.
I like different podcasts. I don't even know what this is. Now the rap the rabbit hole
is crazy. Yeah.
I know Vanessa is just like sometimes just sits there and well just goes on and on and
Vanessa's like, I just I am all the time. But sometimes, as I've said before, I need
a coffee at least before you get into conversation. I admire y'all. Your guys's dynamic is so
incredible. And I love it. Yeah, we are actually like we're very opposite
from each other. And I think I think that's definitely been good for me to have someone
who's not like me. Bring it back to reality. All right. Where
are we? So one question I have is how has this affected
like how has this all this no stern, you probably been asked this already too. But how has this
affected like just like a family friends that don't know about it? Like how is this affected
like your life outside of Nostra? I think it's all been really positive in
the sense that we've been able to spend more time together as a family, obviously traveling
and working together on this despite like, you know, I have a regular job too, but it
has really brought us as a family closer. And, you know, you guys have seen even Elliot,
you know, he knows all about it and often asks us why we're so obsessed with Domus.
So it's just pretty funny. But yeah, it hasn't really affected the day to day other than
now instead of working tirelessly on projects that, you know, are for other people. Now
Will's working on something that he's super passionate about himself, which I think has
really changed his outlook. I'm speaking for you, but I think it's just been a really positive
thing for us. And we're excited to see where this goes. And, you know, we've got a couple
of pretty exciting projects and events coming up that I'm an event person. So I love that
side of it and helping with kind of some of the what I'll call quote unquote marketing,
which isn't really marketing, but just talking about I know NBK in that podcast is like,
there's no marketing department for Nostra. And I was like, well, it's kind of everybody
who's on here is the marketing department. Oh, that's so true. You know, so that it's
all fun with that. And in terms of our family, I mean, I think our biggest supporter is my
mom. She is literally talking about, you know, Walker learning to code again. Like, I feel
like my mom's going to start coding any day now. Like she's like, oh, like, you know,
NBK, I listened to this the other day and I was wondering about this. And she actually
asked me, so Blue Sky, can you guys tell me a little bit more about that? Because I've
read a couple of articles, but I'm not sure I can, you know, trust the mainstream media
about it. And she's about to write. Next nest should be my mom featuring my mom. Yes. So
fun. Your mom's about to make more things than Pablo. And she speaks five languages,
so she could do it. And now she can help us with that. Actually, I was thinking she could
help with the translations. Oh, that's so cool. I know it's been it's just been awesome.
I don't know if you have anything to add to that. I really. Yeah. If I may be so bold
as to ask another question. So so well, you you had said something a while back, I think,
like when it was when Zaps were first being released on on test flight on Damas. And you'd
said, you know, basically, like it was about Zaps and just the potential for like advertising
in ways that I could do. And that literally like stuck with me. And I haven't been able
to stop thinking about it to the point where I wrote some words about it and I put them
up yesterday. I'm going to publish it on BTC Times to just so it gets a little bit more
reach. But I'd love your thoughts and if your thoughts have evolved at all around that idea,
because I think that it's really brilliant. And also the as I was like writing, I was
realizing, wow, this is not just a way for not just a way for like companies to have
a new advertising or Zappvertising model. But it's a way for creators to get a ton more
benefit out of it. But not only that, it's a way for developers to potentially have more
funds like about seven Bitcoin. Now we just hit over seven, according to Primal that have
been zapped on Nostra, which is pretty incredible. Like what a milestone. That's that's a lot
of that's a lot of stats. But this actually like bringing in more companies that realize
there is a different way to advertise has the potential to change revenue, like revenue
models for developers in such a way that it may actually be sustainable to remain an open
developer. Because you've got more, you know, more than just, you know, plebs happening,
you've got companies who are trying to advertise on your posts, bringing in way, way more stats.
So I, I'd love to just hear like, again, you planted the idea like this seed in my head
a couple months back, and I have not been able to let it go. But I'd love to hear just
your thoughts on that. Like, if they've evolved at all, and just, you know, if you think there
are any other interesting implications out there.
Yeah, so like, it's a huge part of this new change that I'm making to Domus, which is
I want to make the zaps more part of the conversation. So right now they're kind of hidden away in
the zaps view. But a lot of the time they have like a common attached to it. So it makes
a lot of sense that it should show up in your mentions, and that should show up in the thread
itself.
For example, a comment with a link to footster.com, perhaps, you know, something like that, just
as an example.
Great example.
Yeah, so like, you know, so if we if we want to go down the advertising model, it's like,
you know, that would show up in this new model that Domus is moving towards that would show
up as a as a top rated comments in the thread, it would be more visible. So maybe at that
point, if you're a company, you'd want to be like a little bit more clever than just
like posting a link, because then maybe then it would show up. So yeah, it all depends
where we maybe there'd be like an option when you're creating the zap or when you're doing
a zap reply to have it listed in the in the zap list only or have it included in the thread.
Maybe there's an option for that. But, you know, I think this will not only just for
advertising, but give people a way to boost their their message in like, let's say a really
like famous person's thread, right? Maybe it just gets buried in the thread somewhere.
But if they put a huge zap on it, then they can maybe be higher up in the thread. So I've
been I've been thinking of those types of models now that would work. And that would
be really interesting for advertisers, because, yeah, you can get your message at the top
of like a popular post. And, you know, why wouldn't they? Right. So I think that's yeah,
I think it's definitely gonna it's gonna be more of a thing. And I think these changes
to Domest will help a lot as well.
I think that that's like a spot on the cash guys. I'm sorry for the dog. Tatum is not
even here to bark at. But I think I remembered you saying something about zaps zap comments
being turned into comments previously. And I thought that was so kind of brilliant. Because
while there is no algorithm on Noster, right, there's no way to, you know, to boost your
own comments when it's, you know, in somebody's, like, there's no blue checkmark, right, that's
gonna put you up at the top. But zaps are a way to do that where there's actual value
exchanged. And so it's like, even if somebody like it becomes, you know, prohibitive to
spam, like, you don't have to worry about that, because it's like, okay, you want to
spam fine, you're still sending me stats. So I think that that's a really, really cool
idea. And I look forward to seeing that implemented. It's got a lot of potential implications.
Yeah. And it's gonna be really big, because like, you know, who are the who are the TDS
companies gonna want to advertise on? Well, probably popular accounts, like content creators
who are doing lots of content. So you know, and devs, because devs get a ton of traction.
And that's actually a way for money to flow back to the devs in hopefully larger, larger
inflows, you know? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Or like, yeah, it's anyone who's like creating
content really, or just. So another another thing that came up was, you know, it looks
like Elon and Twitter, they're going toward like a subscriber model for users. I'm curious
what people think about that, because it is an interesting way to have a persistent revenue
for like anyone on the network, not just like the devs, or because I am adding Thomas purple.
But you know, maybe that'd be cool if anyone on the network could be subscribed to, but
I'm not sure how that would work. But it's an interesting idea.
I go back and forth on this. I think at the client level, that makes a lot of sense, like,
because again, as we've all expressed both in person at Nostrica and on Noster, like,
people do want to be able to give value back to to people like yourself, we're developing
clients that we all use and love. On in terms of like what Twitter is doing with like the,
you know, they have the super follows. And now they've got the just like anyone with
a base level of following can become or you know, have the option for people to subscribe
for like a fixed amount of month. I don't know, I struggle with it a little bit, because
the whole idea there is okay, I'm giving different content to my subscribers, then what I post
out more widely. And I just don't know if that's like, does that actually, like unless
you're posting some, I don't know, I don't know what kind of creators that really works
for. Maybe again, if it's like, okay, if you want to voluntarily support someone on a monthly
basis, I think that's different than saying like, okay, I'm expecting some out like, out
of the ordinary content to be delivered to me because of this extra amount. I don't know,
honestly, it's a, I go back and forth on it. But I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts,
because clearly, mine are a bit jumbled on the topic. I mean, like the main use case
I can think of is like the OnlyFans thing, but I don't know. Right. Right. Like, that's
the thing. Jack knows a lot about how the OnlyFans revenue model. Apparently, he's done
some research, it seems. Yeah, just market research. Yeah, of course. You diligence.
You got to do it. I learned today that it's not just a subscription. I had no idea. Apparently,
there's a what is it click for you can? Yeah. Yeah, I did not. So I think you need to like
research more. Oh, my god. I will say we have a question from Jared. I just saw this. He
asked, what is Domus Purple? Yeah, so I guess there's like Iris Purple. And he kind of like
one up me on that. I'm like, Okay, that's fine. No, he was looking for ideas. Oh, that
was just one idea. Okay, he went down a couple. Because I mean, it was always gonna be called
Domus Purple, but I might change it now. But we'll see. It's just it's just a way that
you can subscribe to Domus and get extra features like so some of the extra features I'm thinking
about is multi multi user. I also want to add basically having folders and bookmarks.
It's kind of like power user features. And I think that makes a lot of sense. And then
private relay. Yeah, just like kind of the standard stuff that you would get from any
client subscription and just like premium feature that you can help support Domus development.
So are we gonna just set a date for this on here so that I can hold you to it? So I've
been buying him about this for a little while now, because as Walker mentioned, people have
been asking for it, you know, obviously, it's gonna help us and help all of the contributors
because we can then do things like get some more people working on full time design and
that kind of thing. So it is important. And I think that people are willing and eager
to see it. So next, right? On the spreadsheet as the next item. Yeah, I think I'm pretty
happy with all the like, there's not too many bugs that are super annoying. So I think I
can move on to it now. And if you have a different suggestion for a name other than Domus Purple,
you can let us know. All right. I just shorten it to Derple. Derple. I'll give you that one
for free. All right. You can keep that. Okay. That's gonna be a hit. Yeah, absolutely. Hashtag
Derple. So do we have a day? Well, he's been working on it for like, I mean, he said it
would be part of the next Apple release. And that was a lie because he just did that today.
It's not part of it. So maybe the next one before Bitcoin Miami. Okay. All right. Yeah,
I feel like Vanessa, you've been trying to get him to come out with a date and like do
it. And it's been really fun to see the interaction like, Hey, well, so someone brought up Domus
Purple. So I'd also take the recycling out, you know, at the front door for days until
he's like, why is there a mountain of recycling at the front door? Like, why is this? I understand.
That's, that's the way to do it, though. Like, you don't understand. Well, then you can,
you can go take it. I just don't understand what's happening. You don't need to understand.
You just need to take it out. Yeah. Thank you, Raya. I wanted to ask you, Will. I don't know
if it was already answered on here. But I just came back and I'm curious about lists.
Are you planning on implementing them? Yeah, eventually. It's not the highest priority,
but it's definitely, you know, it is specced at the protocol level to have lists of various
kinds. Like, for instance, the mute list is a list in Domus. The what list? Mute. So it's
actually like a part of the list spec. So we just use something very similar to mute
and we'll just have like a different list that you would just have your own thing. So
yeah, it's just, it's doable. We just need to add it. Is it like too hard? Like, no,
nevermind, nevermind, nevermind. Because I was, I'm fucking like, I'm really liking
lists right now. Because like, in terms of like having your own curated content that
you can see like on the timeline is fucking amazing. In terms of like, if I wanted to
put just memers on one list and just like developers on another list and then possibly
share that list. I don't know, it's fucking insane. Yeah, it wouldn't be hard. It might
do something similar to Twitter where it says it adds another tab, but then there's some
UI considerations there. Like, where would we put it? Maybe it would show up in the explore
view. But yeah, there's just, there are some UI considerations, but it wouldn't be too
hard to actually do. It's funny that you say that because I often ask a similar question
or why don't you just do it? Why don't you just do this? You know, it seems very simple,
but what I didn't really understand and I still don't really understand is that it's
not, oh yeah, we'll just implement it. It'll work. It's about having all those other considerations
in terms of other items on the list that might affect something else. So it's not as simple
as, oh, we'll add this and then we'll just move stuff around because that could actually
break other stuff. And so it's interesting to see it from that perspective because I
think a lot of people send really great ideas and we love to see them. It's just, unfortunately,
it's not always as simple as just implementing it because it could affect all these other
things if that makes sense.
Oh yeah, that's so true. It could definitely affect your experience on the UX and the UI.
I could definitely see that. But yeah, like I kind of saw it like as a third tab, like
per se, like, you know, post, post and replies and then maybe list. I don't know. But yeah.
I will say I have another question from the audience. This is from Daniel. He asked, will
he wanted to ask, will whether Damus could integrate Nostr.ban search results to help
find notes and other users easier?
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be Nostr.ban specifically. So I think Nostr.ban implements a type of
a NIP, like a search NIP or something. So that's what Domus would implement. And then
Nostr.ban is like one implementation of that because what we try to do in Domus is avoid
specific implementations on specific websites because those tend to break. And then we'd
want a way to switch it out with other search providers. So, you know, Domus is a very decentralized
app. It tries to be like maximally decentralized and we don't want to rely on any centralized
integrations. But yeah, we definitely want to have better search and better stat lookup
and we do it properly through the NIP process.
Beautiful answer. Thank you.
I'm curious as to where, damn, I don't know, it's been on my mind all day. So I know we're
not going to implement that NIP that shouldn't be spoken, right? But I'm curious as to like,
what's the fixture for that?
Okay. So this is, it's interesting because this was a very controversial thing and it
was interesting to see how, you know, everyone reacted to it. You know, my perspective was
I was just trying to, I'm just trying to keep Nostr.ban from like not dying. And it was
just one of those things that was like an existential risk for if it were to be widely
deployed. So I felt very strongly about it and I was like speaking in public very strongly
against it. And I realized that obviously that kind of like created like a bad vibe.
So I don't think I'm going to do that anymore. I'm not going to like comment on NIPs on the
protocol. I'll probably just do it in the actual NIP repo. But yeah, it's pretty bad.
Like, you know, if I were to implement that, then it would just break images and every
other Nostr client. You know, Veeder always says, oh, you should just implement it. Like,
what's the big deal? It's like, well, you know, then I would just be making the problem
worse in some sense, because, you know, every other app by Pablo would have broken images
and I would just be making, yeah. So now we have a different solution in Domest called
image metadata. So it adds a little bit of metadata within the post that's like backwards
compatible. So it doesn't break anything. So I just felt like that was like a friendlier
solution and it's like every other client can ignore it. They don't need to implement
it and it doesn't break anything. So this is kind of the way that we want to be able
to do things in Nostr is have things backwards compatible and let's just be polite to every
other client and not try to bully them or like push things through just because we're
the big clients. You know, I'm the biggest client. Like I could easily do that and I
can have NIP 94 images attachment, but it would be really, really, really bad for a
lot of the other clients because now they have to rewrite everything. So I want to kind
of set an example to say like, look, look, we're not going to do these backwards breaking
changes. It's like, it's not like there's enough apps and enough clients out there now,
but there's like 40 or 50 clients, like probably more that that would break. So it's just,
I don't think it's worth it, especially since it's like the gains we get from that spec
aren't really that interesting. Like I just showed that I could do the same thing with
a backwards compatible spec. So like why not just put a little bit of work effort into
just making it backwards compatible. So I think anyway, so that's just like a difference
of implementation philosophy, I guess, between the innovator and so yeah, I don't know. It's
just two different approaches, I think.
With this spec that you've implemented, you can see those posts that we couldn't see from
the AP, I don't remember what the what that like the test flight version of on Android,
I forgot what it is. But yeah, can we see them now or not?
See the what do you mean?
The images, the ones that they post on Amethyst.
No, so Damis will never be able to view those because implementing that would be harmful
to all of Nostra because it would break all images.
Oh, not implementing the NIP, like is there there's like really no way to like view them
without implementing the NIP?
There's no way to view them. I considered making like a bot that like replied to each
NIP 94 with an actual URL.
I saw.
Yeah, because the only way to view them is for me to implement the NIP. But if I were
to do that, it would like break images and every other Nostra client.
It's not worth it.
Yeah, so that's the thing. It's like it's kind of like this tricky thing on in protocol
development where it's you know, imagine if in Bitcoin, for instance, we just decided
to just break something core. And this is kind of like what the the B cashers and the
big blockers do. They just like, OK, well, it's better. So we're just going to change
it and break everything. And it's like and it makes the entire ecosystem worse and harder
to develop on and harder to trust and harder to rely.
Because imagine if you had what imagine if your money changed every every week because
Veeder had a new brilliant idea. You know what I mean? And it's like people would quickly
lose faith in the protocol because it would just be breaking all the time and everyone's
posts would be unrecognizable in some clients and other clients. So we don't want to break
core things like images. So I just kind of took the stance like, look, no, we're not
we're not going to do this because I don't want or don't want Nostra to die slowly in
that manner.
So I agree. I agree. I don't really think you should have compared it because when he
was trying to explain it to Ava, he tried to compare it to other implementations that
he has, like Zap polls and a whole bunch of other things. But she explained it very well,
like you're explaining, oh, this is a core thing. This is not this is not, you know,
like that optional feature that it doesn't matter if clients don't have it or not. It's
you know, so yeah, I completely agree.
It's yeah, Nostra is really interesting that way, because for the most part, you can introduce
new things and most other clients can ignore them, right? This is a weird edge case where
it was something within kind one, which all clients use. And it's like the pseudo spec
that's not really spec, which is like URLs that every client uses. So hopefully not many
of these cases will occur. It's just this particular one was pretty bad. And just trying
to avoid things like this that breaks too many things. So yeah,
I agree. I agree. We've had all we've had all a tasty month. I believe we had the late
the deletion spec. I believe we had only zaps. We've had a we've had a nice month. And then
this top it off. It's I love it. The perseverance and just keep on working, man. It's it's incredible.
There's there's nothing holding you back. And they will. You're going to get this done.
And we're supporting you, man. One thing I was interested in is like, you
know, people really care when you when you change things, you implement new things, right?
It's like, you know, people are really impassioned about this thing that we're building. And
if you do something slightly, that's considered kind of like, not cool. Or if it if it like
hits too close home, such as when you take likes away from people. I never realized how
much of a ripple that would have in terms of how upset people would get about it. Really?
You didn't know. I didn't realize that. No, I just like it just it makes me it made me
respect like it made me think about that a lot more versus just like, hey, I'm a developer.
I could just do whatever I want. And like, let's just implement whatever we want and
like not care about what people think. And I just like we need to be very conscious about
rolling out these features and how it's going to impact. And anyway, so it made me much
more conscious about like thinking about what the impact will be before I ship something.
Yeah, it's just like a regular day. And I thought he was going to be working on, you
know, this fix that we talked about. And then all of a sudden he just releases this only
zaps thing and it goes absolutely crazy. And I'm like, what the hell are you doing? You
give me the heads up because I'm in like a series of zoom calls today and now I can't
concentrate at all. So it was a it was a wild 24 hours there. But I think that people are
doing what they want now with it, which is great. And that's what we've always wanted
is to have the option. Yeah, you guys, you guys did an amazing job. When it came down
to that, you guys really did. I was amazed how fast you guys were to because we didn't
even mention you guys on the on the you literally just found it and you came in here and you
heard the feedback and you participated. It was fucking incredible. I had never seen that
before. I'm pretty sure if it were if something like that were to happen with any other, I
don't know, I can't speak for them. But it would be interesting if like the the you know,
the client dev would also show up on on National NASA and like listen to the community feedback
and then work out a solution in a couple hours and have it ready to go the next day.
Well, it's important like we're building social software, right? It's like if we're not getting
feedback from people, like how it's affecting people socially, and then we wouldn't be doing
a good job. So yeah, it's important to gather feedback and to make sure we're going down
the right path and make sure everyone is having a good time. Because that's why we're here
is want people to have have fun and have a good time. So yeah, anyway.
Go ahead, tunnel. Yeah, and I agree with you.
I have a question regarding all these apps. Do you think in the future, all these apps
will remain as an option? Or will it come become a permanent thing?
I think it's going to just be like one of those niche things that Bitcoin is like, like
I feel like a lot of people, you know, are probably not going to be interested in enabling
it. Enabling it. It's more it's more just for the Bitcoiners is one of those things.
But yeah, I don't know. It's always going to be there. It's just it's gonna be probably
just like a niche option that people can enable.
Thank you so much.
I really like that you guys are giving the freedom of choice, because I feel like it
was such a crazy day that that whole that whole day. And you guys, you guys did such
a wonderful job of listening and as Sleepy was saying, and you did it with really good
respect for everybody. So thank you for keeping it as a choice for the non Bitcoiners coming
in and everybody else.
Yeah, I really agree. Like with Fiat, Jeff, on this point, it's like as much as I'm a
hardcore Bitcoiner, like I've always been. We have to be conscious of the fact that not
everyone is ready to digest it at the like the fast pace that we're that we're doing
it in this app. Like this app is like Super Bowl, like zaps in your face. Like it's pretty
intense if you're not used to like Bitcoin culture, because Bitcoiners love it. Like
this is great. We're sending like freedom money to people in real time. But people are
like, wait, you're sending me money. Like, is this like scam? Like, is this a cult? What
are the apps and is this a cult? Yeah. So sometimes you just got to ease people into
it a bit. So maybe you definitely need to be conscious of that. Yeah. There's like guy
like this morning who was like, what is a zap? Is this a cult? What is this? But that's
just one example of I think when we talk to people in real life about this, it's it's
so like the elevator pitch on this thing is like what is going hard. But yeah. But then,
you know, I think I love the conversation around adoption. How do we scale this and
how do we, you know, make as many people happy as possible? Because obviously you're never
going to please everyone. And you know, so you can't think of that. But I think as long
as we as a team, like including contributors, including the users, really give space for
conversation around things. And I use the word controversial just because it's come
up lately. But it's not just that it's it could be small implementations that are worth
debating before we go ahead with them that change the user experience. Right. So it's
it's that's fun for us. I mean, it's stressful at times for sure, because I am not used to
this type of interaction online, let alone, you know, the haphazard way that will likes
to do stuff. But it it seems to be working. And I think people are along for the ride,
surprisingly. So thank you for toughen it out with us. I have another question here.
This is from Cameri. He says, Please ask Will if he'll make messages on zaps show up as
purple notes along other replies. Say that again, sorry. He asked, Please ask Will if
he'll make messages on zaps show up as purple notes along other replies. Yeah, so this is
what we're talking about before is this is I don't want them separate in a separate view.
I mean, I think I want the ones that don't have a comment to be separate. Those can just
be like, those can be like what they are now. But I want the ones with the comment to show
up in the thread. There is there is some trickiness to this, because a lot of clients would just
be confused. Because if I if you're replying to zaps directly, a lot of clients might not
be able to handle that because it's not a typical note that would be in the thread.
So it requires some things to think about technically. But it's something I really want.
I really hope that clients would like try to support that use case. Because yeah, it's
just we need to make zaps more of a first a zap comments more of a first class thing.
So I was thinking even maybe removing the zap comment from the custom zap view. And
just when you're composing a post, just have a zap button there. So that when you click
post, it's actually just a it's actually really a zap. And this makes way more sense, sense,
because sometimes you want to compose like images or do an upload an image upload within
like I know, like Walker likes to put those like funny images within your post. So having
that like using the the compose view for that would make a lot more sense and just have
that sentence app. So there's a lot of considerations. But that's where I'm definitely moving toward.
It's also I think just a beautiful way to like again, to keep it algorithm free. But
like the value is the algorithm, right? Like it's you're going to be seeing things that
like as you mentioned, like, okay, maybe you're showing them the top zapped comment at the
top of the post as you currently seen the zaps view. If that's just all one view with
zap, you know, zap replies and regular replies. Yeah, there's some filtering happening there.
But it's all based on values. So I think that's really cool.
Yeah, and you get always like there might be a UI option where you can just say, hey,
turn off all the those zap comments if you don't if you want to filter them out for
some reason, maybe you're getting a lot of it. Maybe they're all advertisements. I don't
know. Anyway, so there's there's things to consider UI wise. But yeah, it's I think it
makes sense to have it in the thread.
I hope I hope they're all advertisements, because that means there will be a bunch of
money flowing in in in organic way. Yeah, bring up bring on the ads, but do it in a
value based way. You know,
I can't wait to get the the feet photos at the top of my reply on my thread.
You'll you'll you'll be getting it. Plenty of them.
Well, I'm just curious if you've seen Binding Town saw this issue on the issue that I I
don't know if you ever saw yesterday. I don't know if you were busy around like 7pm on Telegram.
The one of like the yeah, yeah, I just tagged doing it, by the way, just in case you hadn't
seen it.
It's a funny bug because it's like it just like randomly a zap will appear when you're
trying to quote repo something. Yeah, like, what? Yeah, I think it's just a weird caching
bug that I got to fix. But it's okay.
All right. No, it's all good.
Let me see. Is there any more questions? Really? Oh, have you noticed by chance?
Nostra chat?
What is it?
Up there, you could actually see it on our description on top of the
Okay, the room. There's a Nostra chat that I oh, and there's a channel ID. And I believe
that it works with I'll go to the GitHub real quick. And I'll tell you the NIP that it works
with. I believe it's seven NIP 42. Oh, 42. So like a chat. This was like enigma.
Yes, exactly.
Oh, that's so cool. I didn't know that this is what I was wondering if if there was a
chat because that would be awesome.
Yeah, so the whole 24 hours we've had people ask questions on their communicate amongst
each other. Oh, wow.
All types of things. Yeah, and I'm curious because users have been saying that they're
able to actually see this on their amethyst account, they're actually able to be inside
of the chat and message from there instead of having to be on the Nostra chat that I
oh, I was just curious. Yeah, Thomas, Thomas actually used to have chat rooms. He used
to implement all this stuff. But back back in the day, but that it was really bad spam
vector. So it's very easy for anyone to spam those channels. So I actually had to remove
it for that reason. I don't know if spam is still bad. But I mean, the biggest like the
nicest thing about kind of like the way that your timeline works is that it's where you're
only pulling stuff from your friends. But chat rooms, you get stuff from everyone. So
that's got a huge downside of chat rooms. And anyway, so that was a big issue in the
early days. I don't know if spam is still an issue, but it could be. But it's cool.
I don't know if I want to like turn Thomas in this telegram, but I'm still open to it
down the road.
Okay, awesome. No, I appreciate it. Yeah, I don't think it has any moderation. The only
thing that I would do differently, so I wouldn't get any spam would just be to create, you
know, a channel and not tell anybody about it, just like, you know, the friends that
I would know that wouldn't spam this on this room. So yeah, I really appreciate you will.
It's been a pleasure talking with you. And I learned a whole bunch. Yeah, Walker, Roya,
tunnel your goodbyes.
Thank you so much, Vanessa and will for coming on. And it's just always so fun to hear you
guys talk. And again, your guys is dynamic is always so wonderful. So thank you.
No, thank you. We love doing this. And we're happy to answer any questions anytime really,
like I really enjoy hearing from everybody. And I do pass it on. So you are being heard.
I feel like you answered somebody that I sent you like a week and a half ago recently on
a bug or something. And so yeah, we're listening. And we love that people care so much.
That's fucking awesome.
You all are doing an amazing job. We appreciate you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for mine as well. The work you do is absolutely amazing. And communication
we have with you is incredible.
Again, addicted to your own app. Like a power user is we're both power users now. But we
actually do take care of our child and we do actually get off the computer occasionally.
So everybody's not concerned. It's not all Thomas all the time. Just most of the time.
Yeah, I just want to say, yeah, thanks. Thanks for putting these things together. I always
the different dynamic here than on than when you're just like sending messages over Nasher.
Like I feel like, you know, it's a higher bandwidth channel. And it's really cool to
talk with everyone in real time. And yeah, let's just keep doing this because it's I
think it's really valuable stuff.
I couldn't agree more. I've been trying to say it all day to all the developers that
I've been seeing. I'm like, I really think you guys should get on here more often and
try to like, you know, come up with some nips and work on some things together because it'd
be valuable to have an audience that could, you know, learn why you guys actually do the
work that you guys like doing. Yeah, I agree.
Who's up next?
Well, we have actually not should not build up next.
Oh, I love Nostradot build. He's a great guy.
I'm excited for that.
Yeah, definitely. Thomas image uploads would not be working without him. So super appreciative.
I'm actually looking for him right now.
Because like a whole thing and no streak. It was so, so interesting to watch the art.
What is art and what is not art was just so cool.
Definitely one of the highlights was your favorite.
100%.
Yeah, no, he he's done. I mean, really, if you look back a couple of months ago, right,
this thing would not be here. I don't think without because people would have given up
if they didn't have a way to share photos and all that. Right. So I think it's a huge
it's so big. It's like, yeah, and it's gonna be even crazier once we have like better video
integration and dominoes. Like, yeah, we have images. But now like once we have like much
better video support, it's gonna get crazy. And it's gonna be much harder for him to have
on his servers.
I'd send things out.
Think about all the zapped feed videos. I mean, the possibilities are endless.
Oh, there he is.
I'm gonna end the recording that we had previously.