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Alright, so we're officially recording

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What hour is this 10? Oh

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19th 19 19 hour with UTX so on the 24 hour frog talk mess

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welcome

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Yeah, how you guys doing? You hanging in there?

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We're hanging man, we're hanging.

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Some way, some how keeping it alive.

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Do I understand this correctly?

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Your strategy was to get drunk last night and then try to continue to stay up for 24

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hours.

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This was the plan?

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Well, this is not Tenel's plan.

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I did not get drunk.

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I had maybe like two beers because I had to.

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I had to hang out with my friends.

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I had to.

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They were drinking.

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I couldn't let them down.

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I had to drink a little bit, but I feel worse for it.

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So it didn't work to my advantage.

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Well, I'm listening to everyone.

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Half their guests are all hung over.

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The stragglers who come on board afterwards.

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So damn, sorry I missed the last one I guess.

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Yo, there's so many people in the audience right now that have not left, which is amazing

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me because how the fuck did you guys stay up this late as well?

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Some of you have been here literally for almost as long as we have or the same amount of time.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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What the fuck?

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How does that even happen?

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That is highly degenerate, but in a good way.

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For a good cause, for a good cause.

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It really fucking is.

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I love this platform and I love everything that Ed enables and Ed amplifies our ideas

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and voices.

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So yeah, fucking love it.

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Yeah, I want to introduce you UTXO to the audience down below and the ones that are

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gonna be listening to this recording.

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So just give us a brief background and maybe you want to tell us a little bit about your

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Bitcoin story or your Nostra story or both.

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I'd love to hear both.

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But yeah, just yeah.

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I guess I'll start with Nostra.

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So I was working on this project called Bitcoiners.Network.

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I'm not sure if any of you guys remember it, but it was like you would log in with your

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Twitter account and it would tell you how many shit coiners are following you or how

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many shit coiners you follow.

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So I was working on that for a while.

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And then the very early Nostra people were starting to poke me.

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This was probably September-ish timeframe.

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And there's this guy Vishal XL.

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I don't know where he is.

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It's like he left, but he was the guy who purple-pilled me.

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He was like, you're kind of wasting your time with this Twitter thing because Nostra is

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gonna be the next one.

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And he built the Nostra console.

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So I was checking that out.

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There was no Domus or Amethyst or even Astral.

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All of those clients weren't really there, I don't think.

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So I was like, this doesn't look like the next thing.

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This looks pretty shitty.

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But then clients started really developing.

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And then I was like, okay, now I get it.

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And that was also right around the time where Jack was getting people on.

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So that's how I got purple-pilled.

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And it's kind of like Dev-y because I'm a Dev and it's like, oh, you can just build

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your own clients or do whatever you want.

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I'm like, okay, this is more my people.

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So that's my Nostra purple-pilled story.

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That's amazing.

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I have so many fucking questions because I can't imagine coming in here and not seeing

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any type of clients, like an easy-to-use interface to connect with people.

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What did you have back then to connect before?

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All I thought was this client called NostrConsul.

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And it was like, you can only download it on GitHub and it ran in your terminal.

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So only Linux people could use it, basically.

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But it was really cool.

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You can't really see normies using something like that.

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So I was just like, oh, whatever.

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And I kind of dismissed it.

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So that's what you had for the first couple months, huh?

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At least since I heard of it.

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After I went to Nostarica, I learned that Nostra is actually many years old.

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And they were doing work on this a long time, way before I heard about it, like in, I guess,

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summer of 2022.

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Yeah, it's very interesting because I've been...

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Funny enough, I've interacted with Fiat Jaff without even knowing who Fiat Jaff was prior

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to all of this because of his projects on Telegram, like the Lightning Bot.

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So that's pretty fucking crazy.

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The other day, I finally pieced it together.

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But I didn't know about that.

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Did you know about that, UTXO?

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So I also pieced that together after because I saw his work in LN URL and doing lightning

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addresses.

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He designed a lot of that protocol too.

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This guy's borderline Satoshi, man.

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Literally, literally.

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He's actually...

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Is he buying test?

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Do you know about his contributions?

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Is he a core dev for lightning or for...

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I would put my bets on lightning.

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I don't know about code.

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I only know he did a lot of the LN URL protocol.

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He might even be the lead maintainer on that, but I don't know.

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I would assume yes as well, but I don't actually know.

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Okay, okay, okay.

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I wonder if we can probably get him on here and ask him ourselves one of these days.

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Yeah, and it seems like he's working on even another thing where you can mint these assets.

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It's this new project called like Soma.

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I haven't seen too much of it, but basically you could become a mint and make your own

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assets that you can transfer around.

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I don't even think it's even related to Bitcoin.

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I'm not even sure.

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This guy's crazy, man.

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I don't know what this guy's up to.

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It is fucking crazy.

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Nostra protocol itself, it has no relation to Bitcoin, correct?

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In terms of without those apps, without those nips itself as a protocol, it had no relation

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to Bitcoin, correct?

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That's right.

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Yeah, nothing.

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The protocol is very simple, man.

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It's just like this JSON note on a server that people can connect to.

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And that's it.

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That's pretty much all it does.

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And is it...

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So you say it's on a server, right?

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So is that like you copying that JSON note and having it on your own server?

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And that's where you would work on it?

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Or would you use that dev relay that everybody uses?

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Yeah, like relay server.

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It's like a computer that has a bunch of JSON notes on it and you connect to that computer

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and you read them.

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It's so basic what Nostra is doing, which is why it's so good.

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That's what you want in a protocol.

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It needs to be really dumb and really basic and you put all the complexity in layers.

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The clients can get smarter or the relays can get smarter, but the protocol itself is

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just extremely basic.

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That's insane.

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It reminds me of a Bitcoin in terms of like it's layer one, which is like everything else

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that's built on top of it is super complex, but right?

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Would you say that lightning is way more complex, right?

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Yeah, lightning is definitely more complex.

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And kind of similar to Nostra in that sense that it scales in layers?

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I guess the scaling is a little bit different because for Nostra, it's going to scale sort

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Pretty much, at least as far as I can tell, everything is still going to connect directly

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to relays, which is, I guess you could call that layer one.

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You could think of an app like, let's say, Nostra.Band that aggregates everything and

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you can get like trending or maybe like Primal.

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These are not necessarily directly with relays.

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They kind of have their own layer between it where they aggregate data.

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So like maybe it will go in that direction, but ultimately, I think everyone's going to

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connect to relays and there's just going to be a lot of, there's going to be a lot of

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different types of relays.

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So right now it's like we send all our notes to all the relays and they all accept them,

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but maybe in the future it's like, okay, I just want blogging stuff.

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So you connect to this one relay that does blogging and it doesn't do any social media

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stuff and the clients are way smarter about picking what relay they're going to read from.

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I got you.

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I got you.

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I kind of want to talk a little bit about what you have going on and I believe when

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I first heard about Nolist, you talked about, am I correct on this?

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Did you work on BTC Pay at all?

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Yeah.

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So I've been working on BTC Pay server for like two years.

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I still work on it.

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So I do the, like, so BTC Pay server has an API and then that API to like make it easier

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for developers to use it.

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You build the software development kits.

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So people don't really have to like read the API and how it works.

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It's just like really easy in their IDE.

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So that's the part of BTC Pay server that I work on.

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Yeah, just like through that work and like having other people use BTC Pay server, it

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sort of like gave the idea for Nolist because it was just, it was too hard for people to

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run Lightning nodes.

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You know, so that made BTC Pay server kind of like too hard for most people.

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Yeah, that's interesting.

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I think I also heard about you running node for your own family, right?

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At one point in time, family and friends.

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So I would always tell people like, oh, you know, you shouldn't use Ballad of Satoshi.

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You should run your own node.

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And people were like, okay.

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And then they would do it.

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And then now I'm sitting there like having to explain stuff and like do their technical

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support for them, you know, and I didn't like, like, it was just clear that it was too hard

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for everyday people to use their nodes.

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And I didn't want to do that.

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You know, I didn't want to be like free Lightning support for everyone.

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With all the rebalancing and stuff like that.

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Yeah, I know.

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I guess you're...

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Fuck.

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Yeah, no, it makes sense.

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It makes sense that.

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And that's, was that essentially like also around the time that you saw the opportunity

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to build this, to build Nolist?

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Yeah, like part of it is an opportunity, but the other, it's like, I don't know how many

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people are going to just suddenly accept Bitcoin only payments around the world.

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Like, I don't know if this is some kind of like billion dollar company, but I just want

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to help.

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Like, this is something that I sort of want for myself and for people that I know.

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Just to make it easier, you know, like so many times there'll be devs, they just like

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spin up this app.

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And now if you want to accept Bitcoin on it, suddenly you need like a new node to connect

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to it, or you need to know like how to use LN bits.

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And it just, it's too hard.

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So I just wanted something that's simple and easy for me and for the people that I like

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want to recommend Bitcoin to.

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So that's like why I built it.

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That's awesome.

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And for any audience members that don't know what Nolist is, can you give us, you know,

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whatever you want, either an elevator pitch or the whole spiel.

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It's up to you.

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Yeah, Nolist is trying to be like BTC Pace Server, but without having to manage the Lightning

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Nodes.

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So if you want to accept Bitcoin payments on your website or your app or accept donations,

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like anything like that on either on chain or Lightning, that's what Nolist is trying

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to do without you having to know anything about coding or Linux or nodes or anything

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like that.

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So it's easy for the everyday person.

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That's awesome.

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That definitely has a lot of like a grand customer base with wanting to use it.

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Well, you would think that but from what I'm seeing a lot right now in the field is like

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most businesses, like if they are open to taking Bitcoin, they'll be like, well, why

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aren't their shitcoins?

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You know, like I want Ethereum and stuff.

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Fuck.

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You know, so it's like it's not as big as you think.

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And also like we don't do any fiat stuff.

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Like some businesses will be like, OK, I'll take Bitcoin, but I want dollars.

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You know, I want you to just give me fiat for it.

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I went, well, I don't do any fiat stuff.

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So it's not nearly as big as you might think.

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Damn.

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And damn.

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OK.

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So when it comes down to because I could see big quarters wanted to use it if they're like

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are recommending it to someone that they know a business that they're orange pinning.

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I wonder where you could try to get this in front of in order to get the attention that

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it needs from the right community.

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And now one that is seeking what you just mentioned, which are the shitcoins, which

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are mostly like clubs and stuff like that.

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Different places.

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I've seen all types of places over here where I live in Miami accepting all types of shitcoins.

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So I definitely understand what you're saying.

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But yeah, like I wonder what the best approach could be to find that demographic that wants

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it to make it wants to make it easier for whatever business they're trying to orange

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pill to accept Bitcoin as a payment method without them having to run their own line.

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Yeah.

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So we have like a few different channels that we're using just in terms of like new businesses,

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because the reality is that most of the businesses that we could onboard are no coiners.

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So if we can get in front of them with like Bitcoin only and explain to them why you don't

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want shitcoins before they're already like, OK, I do want crypto.

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Right now they're not even thinking about it.

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You can hit them with Bitcoin first.

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And like our hope through our referral program, because like let's say you onboard, you referred

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a new business to node list.

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Every time they have a transaction, you can earn 10 percent of all the fees we get off

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every transaction the business makes.

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So hopefully like we can incentivize Bitcoiners when you're going out orange filling, you

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know, they can they sign up through you.

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You can now earn passive income off helping growing no list.

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And you're doing the business like a favor by not getting them on Coinbase or Binance

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or any of these other shitcoin companies or the ones that have KYC, which is also like

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bullshit right now.

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Like pretty much, you know, this is going to trigger a few people, but like pretty much

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all the investment and growth and Bitcoin that's happening right now is all in KYC businesses.

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Like barely anyone is doing no KYC.

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So at least with no less, you can go back a little bit.

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You can at least pretend that we're trying to like build stateless money here.

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Yep.

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I thought about a little like it's just an idea, but I wonder how hard it is to actually

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reach out to a company like I think I have them right here.

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Bitcoin rocks, right?

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Which they do all this advertising with their stickers and stuff like that.

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Right.

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And basically the website is designed like an educational resource for like people who

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are new to Bitcoin.

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Right.

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So I wonder if like adding no list to these type of resources would actually like increase

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your customer base.

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I would.

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Yeah for sure.

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I mean we're looking at doing, we call that like affiliate outreach, I guess.

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So that's like definitely a channel, but also there's like, there's just me, there's me

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and the like two other developers and like one guy who works part time, you know?

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So it's just like, we need help.

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We need to like hire a bunch of people, but we also haven't got any funding yet for the

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business.

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So we're like stuck a little bit before we can do all the things we want to do.

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I feel you on that.

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We definitely need, yeah, I could see you benefiting a lot from a project, like a marketing

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guy, like somebody like Derek would be great, I will lie.

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If there's another Derek out there, please raise your hand.

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We'd love to speak to you.

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But yeah, honestly, like, yeah, taking some of that off of your like shoulders and some

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of that has been actually messed up and ideas of how to like really blow that thing up.

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Yeah I could see, I could see, I definitely know that there's a use case for it because

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me and Tanel ourselves, we want to use it.

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So this should probably be a good time for us.

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Like I don't know if it is to ask you like a little bit more about like how we could

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implement it into, I believe you tried to help me one time when I was trying to implement

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it to my site and I just didn't have the correct, I even tried to like change it and stuff like

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that, but I didn't have I believe it was TypeScript or something like that.

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Well I barely, I barely remember our conversation, but I think it was like you got to get on

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WordPress to make it easy.

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WordPress.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I need a whole new site then.

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And it makes sense because it's a whole different thing now.

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Tanel your head is up.

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Yeah, you can speak.

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I have previously had experience with WordPress so it won't be a problem and I think the initial

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idea was actually set the site up on the same domain that our NIPPOs are currently on, the

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FrogTalk.lol which is, I think it's currently, is it FishCakes, right?

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Is that correct?

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Yeah, FishCake currently owns this domain.

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He has all control.

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So yeah, the initial plan was to build the site there and go from there really.

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I'm not sure how much we're going to talk about the plans that we have for the site.

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Well I could just say in terms of setting it up, WordPress is the most popular content

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management system on the internet.

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So you're not going to go wrong by going with WordPress and it's open source and free.

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And then so long, and if you use WordPress, it can be both a blog and a store, both in

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one website and you can easily host your NIPPO5.

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So that's all technically very doable.

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And then to use NodeList, it's really easy.

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You just install the plugin, you put your API key and then it's done.

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That's it.

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It's like three clicks.

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Very, very easy.

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That's incredible.

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That's super fucking easy.

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So it'll be easy.

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I'll take care of the site.

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You'll take care of the designs.

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It'll be good.

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Yeah.

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And if you guys like need help setting up the host thing or just like installing WordPress

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or whatever, because that's, I guess, maybe the hard part, but you could just go with

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a host that like they have like one click WordPress setup for like five bucks a month

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or whatever.

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But I'm willing to help if you need it.

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Yeah.

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We're going to have to take that.

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We're going to purchase that domain from our friend Fishcake.

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And once we have access to that, yeah, we definitely going to do it.

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I believe we could start doing that.

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Well after this whole nest is over, me and Tanel, we could talk about it and we could

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see how we're going to do that.

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But yeah, once we have it, I'll definitely reach out to you in case you want to help

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us set it up and stuff like that.

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Yeah, we could get more in depth in that conversation.

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But yeah, I just wanted to, if you have anything you want to say right now, like anything else

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that you're working on or anything specific to NodeList that we haven't touched on, feel

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free and then later on maybe like in five minutes we could start a live Q&A if you like.

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Yeah, well, one thing that we're so NodeList does have a Nostar feature.

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So we have something called the NodeList address, which is like it's a lightning address, but

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it doesn't have zaps.

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It's a paywall of email.

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So you know, like right now if you put your email somewhere on the internet, you're eventually

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going to get spammed to hell.

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But this email, it's like if you try to send someone an email, it paywalls you and it forces

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you to pay Bitcoin if it actually wants to be delivered.

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So you can use that as an email that you could put around on the internet and you won't ever

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get spammed.

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And it's also a NIP05 address.

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So that's like one Nostar feature that we've built into NodeList.

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And then the other one is we're working on notifications, so like let's say you do get

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a payment on your store that you set up.

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NodeList will send a DM to wherever you want.

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So maybe your address or maybe you set up a Nostar account just for your store and then

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your notifications can go directly to you on Nostar.

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So that's like another feature we're working on for that.

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That's super cool.

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I'm very interested in how the email works.

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Like that's incredible.

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Like to have a paywall before the person can even send you that email, that's a true signal

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right there.

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So I'm very interested in that.

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Yeah, check it out.

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Free to sign up.

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And yeah, just give it a shot and see how you like it.

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Plug it in for us.

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What is the name of the website?

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It's nodelist.io.

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Oh, that is true.

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I'm serious.

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Check it out already.

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It was really, really smooth experience.

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I love it.

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Nice.

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Thanks, man.

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I have a question for you, Sleepy.

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What is your karaoke song?

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I actually never done karaoke, so I have no fucking idea, man.

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Can you imagine I pull up and I just, I tell them I'm going to do a Soulja Boy song and

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I do Kiss Me Through the Phone or something like that.

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We just got, we heard back from the venue.

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So that's, it's finalized now.

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So it's at Kill Your Idol Bar in Miami, which is a pretty sick venue.

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And the capacity is 150 people max.

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And we already sold 150 tickets.

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So like we're going to not sell, I shouldn't say sell.

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The tickets are free.

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But we're probably only going to let like 20 more people get tickets before we close

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it up.

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So if you're listening and you don't have a ticket, you think you can just come, just

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pick up your ticket like now, because it might be closed in the next couple of days.

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How long?

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Yeah, guys, if you want to come, go and grab it now.

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And wait, like literally do not wait till this is over.

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Just go and do it right now.

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Yeah, do it because there's like, it's like fire code, you know, we can't let more people

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in.

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You know, I would love to let everyone in, but they're going to block us from doing that.

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So.

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Hell yeah.

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Yeah, I spoke to a couple of people that are actually going to the conference during this

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whole 24 hour nest.

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I believe the last person I spoke to that was going is Haribot, and he said it was,

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I believe, one of the first conferences that he goes to.

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So that's pretty fucking cool.

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Yeah.

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I'm excited, honestly.

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And like a serious like I've never done karaoke, but if I were to do a serious song, like very

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serious, it'd have to be something like super mainstream, right?

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So like maybe like a song by Journey.

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You know what I mean?

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Like something either that simple.

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Huh?

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Yeah, yeah, that'll work.

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Right?

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Something simple, something that everybody knows.

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So I don't have to be the only one singing.

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I'll do something like that, where it's a song that's just, it's going to get everybody

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to like sing it as well.

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So I'm not the only voice.

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Yeah.

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And you probably want to go a little more close.

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Like I have a feeling that notches are like a little bit older.

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So if you want something that's like really pure sing along, you probably want something

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like late nineties, early two thousands ish.

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I think.

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Okay, okay.

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At least that's my that's my strategy.

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Okay.

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Because I am the worst fucking singer ever.

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So I need people to sing along or else I'm just gonna be so fucking embarrassed.

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Yeah, the killer is human.

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Go for it.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I'll consider it.

461
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That might be a good one.

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That might be a good one.

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I will.

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How about you, Tano?

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What's yours?

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I'm not coming.

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I'd happily sing.

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All right.

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Yeah, I was just listening.

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You're the you're in choir.

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You're like a hardcore, very good singer, right?

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Allegedly.

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Allegedly?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I'm gonna make sure.

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According to my self, I'm a very good singer.

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I'm a very good singer.

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I'm a very good singer.

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I'm a very good singer.

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I'm a very good singer.

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I'm a very good singer.

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I'm a very good singer.

483
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I'm a very good singer.

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I'm a very good singer.

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I'm voting to my sour.

486
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He's he's joking with you.

487
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He's he's fucking incredible.

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This man has got a singing voice like an angel.

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Oh, dang.

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Yeah, I don't mean to fall in love.

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Be careful.

492
00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:24,220
He got to show it off too much because of the fact that it has, it affects everybody.

493
00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:26,620
Not just, you know, females, it affects everybody.

494
00:27:26,620 --> 00:27:30,180
I only fall in love with feet and that's it.

495
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:31,620
Oh, you're a fuck guy.

496
00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:34,900
I mean, we all are now.

497
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:36,260
It's literally a gateway drug.

498
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:38,260
I've been telling people, like, they don't want to listen.

499
00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:43,780
But yeah, you see enough of these fake pics,

500
00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:46,860
you zap enough of them, and you become a full guy,

501
00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:48,220
or a full woman.

502
00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:49,660
Yeah, it's so funny.

503
00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:51,940
I'm actually not into feet at all.

504
00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:52,940
It's not my thing.

505
00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:55,180
Like, whatever, if you are, I'm not going to judge you.

506
00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:57,540
But I just thought it was so funny.

507
00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:58,140
It's hilarious.

508
00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:00,380
That I was just like, I'm just going to roll with it.

509
00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:04,380
I'm just going to pretend I have a foot fetish and just go.

510
00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:08,100
Yo, what really surprised me was that I put mine out there,

511
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,580
like, just joking.

512
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:11,700
I was like, look, a two-in-one.

513
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:14,580
Me and my dog, my foot and my dog.

514
00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:17,780
Holy shit, did people go crazy for that post.

515
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,980
The last thing you'd expect, bro,

516
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:25,700
you take something like literally the last things

517
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,100
that I'd expect for people to go crazy about

518
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:30,140
is what they go crazy about.

519
00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:33,620
And the ones that I'm always a little bit iffy about posting,

520
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:36,940
I'm just like, oh, man, this one might do it.

521
00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:38,580
This one might cancel me.

522
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:40,340
Boom, everybody fucking loves it.

523
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:41,220
I don't understand.

524
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:42,060
I don't understand.

525
00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:43,260
I don't want to understand.

526
00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:46,660
I just want to keep going with the flow.

527
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:49,140
Yeah, it's funny, man.

528
00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,580
I feel like our memes are dying down a little bit as of late.

529
00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:55,380
So I feel like we need to get a new one going.

530
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:57,100
Oh, yeah.

531
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,780
We had a, you know, which was a good one,

532
00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:01,260
the Casey meme.

533
00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:04,660
I didn't get too involved into that one.

534
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:06,380
But those were good.

535
00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:07,580
Those were funny.

536
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:09,220
That was a Psyop though, right?

537
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:11,900
That was just like, it was metallic or something?

538
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:12,540
Who was it?

539
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:13,500
We all saw it.

540
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:17,220
We all saw it coming prior to that.

541
00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:18,060
It's crazy.

542
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:19,460
Certain people saw it.

543
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:21,100
Certain people didn't see it.

544
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,260
But Derek spoke about it yesterday

545
00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:26,380
when he was on here as well.

546
00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:27,980
We both noticed the same thing.

547
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:32,300
This person actually created their profile,

548
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,820
I believe, like three to four days prior to that.

549
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:38,900
We have her up on here now.

550
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:39,860
Awesome.

551
00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:41,980
She scared the fuck out of me when you put her on.

552
00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:44,540
Tano Nagawa, I got scared.

553
00:29:44,540 --> 00:29:49,540
So we both saw her profile being created days

554
00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:53,460
prior to her first note on National Band.

555
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:57,260
And I'm getting an echo on YouTube, too.

556
00:29:57,260 --> 00:29:58,420
Oh.

557
00:29:58,420 --> 00:29:59,180
No, you're good.

558
00:29:59,180 --> 00:30:01,220
You couldn't just, OK.

559
00:30:01,220 --> 00:30:03,940
But yeah, so we both saw that.

560
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:06,140
And he saw something else that I didn't see.

561
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:09,700
But I'm trying to go on a different client to see that.

562
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:13,500
He saw that it had a different name prior to the one

563
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,140
that it put, the Casey.

564
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:17,540
I believe he explained that that's something

565
00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:20,740
that you get with a client like Curran.

566
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:27,220
Like with a Nipple 5, with the lining wall is set up.

567
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:28,260
Everything.

568
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:31,860
But basically, yeah, it's pretty funny,

569
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:35,780
because I have this idea that people are trying out

570
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:39,620
new things in terms of engagement.

571
00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:43,740
They're trying to figure out what's the sweet spot,

572
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:45,660
the right spot.

573
00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:47,260
What's the trendy thing this week?

574
00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:49,300
Like is it women?

575
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:50,100
Is it this?

576
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:50,740
Is it that?

577
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:52,620
Is it games?

578
00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:54,820
Is it a game character?

579
00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:57,020
Because I've just seen the Zelda one come up,

580
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:58,020
not too long ago.

581
00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:59,940
Everybody went crazy for that one.

582
00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:04,020
And usually, all it takes is a developer to notice it,

583
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:06,980
reply to it, and be like, hey, on their first note.

584
00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:08,140
And boom, they blow up.

585
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:09,860
That's the sauce for it.

586
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:12,620
So they might try with a whole bunch of names

587
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:17,380
until they get that right formula, which

588
00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:24,380
is receiving the grace from a dev that's known,

589
00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:27,620
replying to your note, saying hi, or hey, or welcome,

590
00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:28,220
or whatever.

591
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,140
And then you see a whole bunch of other people

592
00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:34,180
just trying to be nice, not knowing, and onboarding them

593
00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:36,620
when they're actually falling for that.

594
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:39,180
But it is what it is.

595
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:41,780
We're here to learn, and we're learning

596
00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:44,140
that people are getting smarter.

597
00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:46,780
I believe we're getting a lot of those scammers

598
00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:48,780
from the EAT community.

599
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:51,580
Because we've even seen them here on the Nest.

600
00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:54,900
The other day, popped in on a random-ass Nest

601
00:31:54,900 --> 00:32:04,380
that I saw being an ad on the Nest end

602
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,420
pump that put it out.

603
00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:09,260
And basically, it was some Solana boys in here

604
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:14,220
just talking like fucking shitcoins and Solana.

605
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:16,420
And I hopped in for a little bit, and I heard.

606
00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:19,580
And I was like, oh, what the fuck is this?

607
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:22,380
But yeah, the same thing happened to Derek the other day

608
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:24,340
when he came inside a Nest.

609
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:26,820
And they were trying to scam somebody

610
00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:31,060
with financial advice, like a financial advisor or whatever.

611
00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:34,080
So yeah, it's like the scammers are showing up.

612
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,380
So be wary, because they're going

613
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:39,660
to try new tactics that you're most likely not

614
00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:42,380
going to realize off the bat.

615
00:32:42,380 --> 00:32:46,100
But try to keep your eyes peeled, and don't trust.

616
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,980
Verify.

617
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:49,860
Yeah.

618
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:52,500
Well, and you know what you've got to also watch out for?

619
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:55,020
So at Nostarica, we're pretty sure.

620
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:58,220
This is like 95% confirmed, OK?

621
00:32:58,220 --> 00:33:02,220
Maybe not 95, but there was a Chinese spy that

622
00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:07,340
showed up to Nostarica, tried to sneak into the event.

623
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:11,020
He had no end pub, gave lies about what

624
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:14,180
hotel he was staying at, following the nostriges

625
00:33:14,180 --> 00:33:16,820
around after the event.

626
00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:20,420
So if they're willing to go down to Nostarica,

627
00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:24,180
for sure some of the nims on Nostar right now

628
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:25,260
are Chinese spies.

629
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,420
So watch out for that, too.

630
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:31,020
No, that fucking makes a lot of sense, man.

631
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:34,340
There's a whole bunch of them over here

632
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:38,580
working for the homeland, as they call it.

633
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:39,340
It's crazy.

634
00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:42,460
It's fucking crazy, man, because it's not easy for them out

635
00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:44,060
there.

636
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:46,220
We don't know what their situation is.

637
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:51,180
But yeah, we got to be vigilant in terms of they're everywhere.

638
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:55,100
So it doesn't just have to be them.

639
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,780
Scammers are everywhere, OK?

640
00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:58,220
Just open up your eyes.

641
00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:04,140
If you're here, you've most likely been bamboozled

642
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:05,460
once in your life.

643
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:07,620
And if you haven't, then I'm sorry,

644
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:09,820
but you're going to have a rough path ahead.

645
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:15,780
It has to happen for you to grow and learn as a person.

646
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:17,100
Don't take it to the heart.

647
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,500
It happens to the best of us.

648
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,260
As long as we fucking pick ourselves back up

649
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:25,860
and we notice that this is not a unique coincidence,

650
00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:28,140
this happens to many people.

651
00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:30,500
And whether they choose to learn or they

652
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:36,260
choose to keep being a victim, it's up to them to decide.

653
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:38,900
Decide the right thing.

654
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,500
But yeah, it's going to keep happening.

655
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:48,980
I feel like we have to just keep our eyes peeled

656
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:50,980
and literally try to give advice in terms

657
00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:54,580
of what the red flags are.

658
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:56,900
What we saw, what me and Derek saw,

659
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,020
that's a fucking red flag.

660
00:34:58,020 --> 00:35:03,100
That's not what everybody else pictured on here, which is,

661
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,180
oh, you show up and you know what's going on.

662
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:06,620
And this is why we're praising you.

663
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:09,300
And this is why you're at this pedestal.

664
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,300
No, you showed up multiple days ago and you're around.

665
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:15,420
And most likely, this is not your only one.

666
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:17,140
So whatever.

667
00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:19,220
I'm not going to get too deep into that.

668
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:24,620
But literally, it's just about keeping your eyes open

669
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:26,740
and your mind open.

670
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:28,180
Don't think that you know it all.

671
00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:28,700
You don't.

672
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:29,780
I don't know it all.

673
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:32,700
I'm willing to change my mind.

674
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:33,500
It's really sad.

675
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:38,740
You see this every single cycle, that the most common scam that

676
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:41,740
just always works, it's been working for six years,

677
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:44,980
is you just tell someone, hey, send me one Bitcoin

678
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:46,620
and I'll send you two back.

679
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:51,500
And this shit works, man.

680
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:54,820
At least for six years straight, I've seen this scam go on.

681
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:56,860
It still is on YouTube.

682
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:58,580
There are Twitter accounts you can follow

683
00:35:58,580 --> 00:36:03,700
that they track all the scam addresses.

684
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,900
And at least once a week, those will go off.

685
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,780
Oh, someone just gave their money to a scammer.

686
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:12,940
And that's probably always going to be in crypto, man.

687
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:15,140
I can't see that going away.

688
00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:20,740
Yep, me neither.

689
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:21,420
It's them.

690
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:22,420
It's really them.

691
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:26,100
At the end of the day, it's just their culture.

692
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:27,140
It's just what they do.

693
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:28,980
It is what it is.

694
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:30,860
We got to learn how to live with it.

695
00:36:30,860 --> 00:36:32,900
And the way that you learn how to live with it

696
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:35,780
is just to fucking be vigilant.

697
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:37,620
Try to help out the next person.

698
00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:39,940
If you have some knowledge on how

699
00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:44,020
to decipher these red flags, tell the next person.

700
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:47,340
They're going to be thankful that they don't

701
00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:50,100
fall for this different.

702
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,460
Because they all have like, I'm pretty sure

703
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:56,180
you could agree on this, they all have a similar formula,

704
00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:57,740
but a different way of doing it.

705
00:36:57,740 --> 00:37:00,420
It might be LARPing as a girl.

706
00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:05,660
It might be, I don't know, a YouTube channel

707
00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:08,060
with the announcement on it.

708
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,380
It comes in very different ways.

709
00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:13,460
But the borderline thing is that you're

710
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:17,700
getting scammed by the same scam.

711
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:19,340
It's the same trick.

712
00:37:19,340 --> 00:37:23,940
It just surfaces differently.

713
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:28,380
Yeah, I believe the saying goes, history

714
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:31,820
doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

715
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:34,140
So it's going to keep happening, man.

716
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:37,860
All the outright scams that should be obvious to most

717
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:39,220
people are going to keep coming.

718
00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:41,580
But I promise you, this is what's

719
00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:43,260
going to happen in the next cycle.

720
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:48,740
It's going to be shitcoins on the tarot lightning network.

721
00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:51,180
So a new batch of scammers are going

722
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:53,980
to issue tokens on Bitcoin.

723
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:57,940
And just like you see with ordinals and inscriptions,

724
00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:00,020
half the Bitcoiners last year, or sorry,

725
00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:03,900
I should say 100% of the Bitcoiners a few years ago

726
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:05,180
when NFTs were big.

727
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:08,860
We're talking about how fucking stupid NFTs were.

728
00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:11,100
And they're just these JPEGs or whatever.

729
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,460
And now you see half the Bitcoiners

730
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:15,300
are OK with ordinals.

731
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,260
And they think it's cool because now it's on Bitcoin.

732
00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:20,460
And now they can make money on Bitcoin.

733
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:22,660
And they don't realize that they're just

734
00:38:22,660 --> 00:38:25,020
larping because they were talking shit about it

735
00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:26,140
when it was happening on ETH.

736
00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:28,700
So really, they were just mad people were using ETH,

737
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:32,780
not that they were doing this stupid JPEG trading.

738
00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:34,460
So the same thing is going to happen.

739
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:37,980
There's going to be shitcoins issued on tarot

740
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:41,980
or with these new e-cashes and things like that.

741
00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:45,020
All these scammers are going to come in.

742
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:47,380
There's going to be NFTs on Bitcoin.

743
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:50,540
And everyone is going to get fucking wrecked again.

744
00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:54,860
There's going to be a new block buy, a new Celsius.

745
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:58,100
And because it's all happening under Bitcoin's name,

746
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,020
people are going to just all get fucking rogued.

747
00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:01,940
And I promise you, next two, three years,

748
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:03,020
that's going to happen.

749
00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:07,580
That's a fucking dark future.

750
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,380
Holy shit.

751
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:12,580
Well, the main thing is you got to just stay humble

752
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:13,420
and stack that.

753
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:14,620
You got to like, people are like,

754
00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:16,020
oh, get 5% on your Bitcoin.

755
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:20,060
No, like buy this fucking inscription.

756
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:22,260
You'll make a hundred X and then just trade it

757
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:23,100
and buy Bitcoin.

758
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:25,220
Like, no, like don't do any of that.

759
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:29,380
Just stay humble, stack that, do not sell your Bitcoin

760
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:32,900
and just try to hold it for fucking dear life.

761
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,700
Like that's all there is to it and you won't get wrecked,

762
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:38,220
but sadly, probably, you know,

763
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:40,420
half the people listening to this are going to get a wreck

764
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,260
because of greed, because of human nature.

765
00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:45,860
It fucking sucks, but it's going to happen.

766
00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:47,780
But try to not let it happen, please.

767
00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:49,660
Fuck yeah.

768
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:52,020
It really does take a couple of cycles

769
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,980
to really like engrave that in you.

770
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:58,060
Well, yeah, I'm speaking from experience.

771
00:39:58,060 --> 00:40:01,780
Like I got wrecked in like 2018, like creating on leverage,

772
00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:03,620
thinking I'm like, oh, you know,

773
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:06,260
this is obviously the bottom and like thinking

774
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:08,220
that I fucking know something about Bitcoin.

775
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:09,820
Like I don't know anything,

776
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:12,740
except that like if you hold it

777
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:14,620
for a long enough period of time,

778
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:17,140
like you will be able to protect yourself.

779
00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:19,380
Like, but day to day,

780
00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:23,180
there's no way anybody knows what's going to happen.

781
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:26,500
100% man, you know, actually, you just reminded me

782
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:30,300
because you said 2018, 2016, 2017,

783
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:31,780
I forgot what exactly it was.

784
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:34,980
I got fucking fucked, bro.

785
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:39,980
I got fucked with, you'll never guess it, Bitcoin.

786
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:47,420
What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up.

787
00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:50,620
Bro, oh my God, thank God I can laugh about it now

788
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:53,700
because holy shit, that shit was not funny when it happened.

789
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:57,500
But it's hilarious now because it's a whole meme

790
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:59,620
and because shit, I wasn't alone in a bitch.

791
00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:03,500
We all fight like not all, but like a good amount of people

792
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:05,340
got introduced that way.

793
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:10,900
Some were smarter, but I was not some, okay.

794
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:12,780
I was the other.

795
00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:14,340
Shit was hard.

796
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:15,940
I saw those YouTube videos,

797
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:18,380
yo, those YouTube videos back then, UTXO,

798
00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:20,700
they don't make them like that no more.

799
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:22,940
I mean, they're making them a little fucking crazier now

800
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:25,740
because they have that, you know, like a shorter,

801
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:30,740
shorter fucking, oh shit, coming back.

802
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:35,540
Oh shit, can you hear me now, UTXO?

803
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:39,300
Yeah, the audio is getting real fucked, but now it's good.

804
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:40,980
Oh yeah, oh fuck, my bad.

805
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,140
Yeah, so they don't make them like that no more.

806
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:46,300
Like the content that I used to see back then

807
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:51,300
and like the content that really got me fucking fucked up

808
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:53,820
with that shit was YouTube videos that I would see

809
00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:56,660
from like people that would just like, you know,

810
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:59,140
portrayed to like have made money with it

811
00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:01,140
or whatever the case might be.

812
00:42:01,140 --> 00:42:04,580
But nowadays you actually see like shorter form content

813
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:09,580
like a TikTok, like a real or like a fucking YouTube short.

814
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:14,140
It's all for like, you know, the people with like

815
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:18,140
lower attention spans that just, you know, like,

816
00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:20,340
it's fucking crazy though, like the way that you're able

817
00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:22,340
to digest that compared to like those videos

818
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:23,900
that we saw back in the day that you had to watch

819
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:27,260
like a whole, you had to watch hours of it basically.

820
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:30,260
But no, nowadays they show you this video

821
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:34,300
and it's maybe like a fucking 30 second video,

822
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:37,140
but that was enough to fucking get you to ape in

823
00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:38,940
to this fucking coin and lose your,

824
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:40,540
whatever money you put into it.

825
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:43,140
So yeah, I'm just saying it's getting easier.

826
00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:45,140
So yeah, I'm just saying it's getting easier.

827
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:48,580
Yeah, well, we said, we should hope so,

828
00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:51,940
but you know, you see how people talk on Twitter,

829
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:54,100
like even people who've been in the space for years,

830
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,300
they really buy into this like Ethereum stuff

831
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:01,980
and transactions per second and wasting energy like,

832
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:05,540
so I don't know, like no matter how good the content is,

833
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:08,140
I think people just, they have to touch those,

834
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:09,340
they have to get wrecked.

835
00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:14,100
It's the only way to like really learn for yourself.

836
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:17,900
And like Bitcoin has to eventually just bring

837
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:20,180
all the shit coins to zero, right?

838
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:23,420
So people have to realize that there are big coins,

839
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:25,700
like if they weren't around in the early days

840
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:28,980
and I wasn't either, like it was all different top 10 coins

841
00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:31,980
and people thought they're feather coin or name coin

842
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:35,020
or Raven coin or whatever, they thought

843
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:40,020
there we're gonna be number one or be the next Bitcoin.

844
00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:42,300
And people are buying into the exact same shit

845
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:46,940
all over again and I can't see that stopping anytime soon.

846
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:50,420
God damn, I remember so many of the fucking top 10

847
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:52,700
when I first like saw the top 10,

848
00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:56,780
I think it was like EOS, NEO,

849
00:43:56,780 --> 00:44:01,340
a whole bunch of fucking EOS or like weird fucking names,

850
00:44:01,340 --> 00:44:05,180
like they were all, I think they were all Chinese to be honest.

851
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:08,740
But I don't know, I think that was around that time

852
00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:10,540
when they had, oh yeah, that was around that time

853
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:13,540
because I asked the same question to somebody else

854
00:44:13,540 --> 00:44:18,540
about like, the question was about the hash rate

855
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:24,660
when China had like more than 51% of the hash rate

856
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:26,780
but they explained to me that China,

857
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:29,260
like no matter how much like hash rate they had

858
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:34,020
or 51% or whatever, they can never do one of those attacks

859
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:38,380
because they weren't actually all together on the same page.

860
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:40,180
China overall is very divided.

861
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:43,500
So that was very interesting to like learn that

862
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:46,940
after the fact because that's mostly like the reason why

863
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:50,060
like I was like super iffy because like fucking

864
00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:52,980
like the whole media, like the media would portray it

865
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:57,900
as such a fucking like disaster, like waiting to happen.

866
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:01,660
But then like, hearing from a big corners perspective

867
00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:04,260
where they actually did like the research on it,

868
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:07,540
they explained it perfectly well,

869
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:12,060
but China really like those cities

870
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:13,540
that had all this hash power,

871
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:16,380
they weren't in connection with one another

872
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:21,380
and they weren't gonna be, they're very different.

873
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:23,700
So yeah.

874
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:28,180
Well, I mean, so that is true to a certain extent

875
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:29,540
but it was also not good.

876
00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:32,260
You don't ever want all the hash,

877
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:34,580
like 51% of the hash to be in one country

878
00:45:34,580 --> 00:45:38,380
because China could have, you could have envisioned

879
00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:40,220
they will be like, okay, if you're running

880
00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:43,740
a current Bitcoin miner, like it now belongs to us

881
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:45,700
and they could just do that at any time.

882
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:49,860
So you don't really want that.

883
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:51,660
And there's like a similar argument

884
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:53,380
that's happening now in the United States,

885
00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:55,780
you know, like the hash power has exploded

886
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:58,420
in the United States, not near 51%,

887
00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:01,420
but imagine it did like all these public miners

888
00:46:01,420 --> 00:46:04,300
are doing KYC, they're all using the same pool

889
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:05,460
which is Foundry.

890
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:10,380
So you could, and they're all like registered

891
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:12,860
and licensed by the government and shit.

892
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:15,700
So you can easily imagine the government being like,

893
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:18,780
okay, if you wanna be a public miner,

894
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:21,980
we'll just tell Foundry, okay, you can't,

895
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:23,780
here are addresses you're like not allowed

896
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:25,900
to broadcast transactions to.

897
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,900
And they would effectively be able to do that

898
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,420
with 51% of the network.

899
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:34,740
And we're like slowly chugging away at getting there.

900
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:37,300
So I don't think it's a fucking good idea at all.

901
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,420
And like, when that was happening with China,

902
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:41,340
that was a real risk.

903
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:45,340
It didn't mean Bitcoin was over, but like that wasn't good.

904
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:48,100
Oh shit, okay, okay.

905
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:52,180
So all right, let me just invite a couple audience members

906
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:56,340
up in case you guys wanna ask any questions.

907
00:46:56,340 --> 00:47:00,380
The live Q&A part of the segment is here.

908
00:47:00,380 --> 00:47:02,820
So please raise your hands.

909
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:05,540
The hand emoji right there will allow you to get up here.

910
00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:07,980
I mean, yeah, it will allow you to get up here

911
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:10,460
because I'll buy, just put your hand up

912
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:12,940
and I'll literally bring you right up.

913
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:14,780
It'll be a fast seamless process.

914
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:16,060
There you go.

915
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:17,220
Boom, you're here.

916
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:18,060
Who else?

917
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:22,780
Go ahead, Neil, when you could ask a question.

918
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:23,620
Thank you for being here.

919
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:25,220
Actually, I came in a little bit late

920
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:26,860
because I was coming in from work,

921
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:29,140
but UTXO, I don't know if this helps you at all,

922
00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:30,820
but I heard you talking about Nodeless

923
00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:32,300
right at the end of it, the tail end.

924
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:34,340
And you said that you were looking for help

925
00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:36,260
and you needed to hire some people.

926
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:38,580
I learned a little bit of a life hack a while ago

927
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:41,700
that if you go to certain universities and colleges,

928
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:44,700
you can actually check with the department heads

929
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:47,820
or the professors to ask for a student

930
00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:51,980
and the student who has a project on a particular subject,

931
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:56,060
they can actually work on a project for you

932
00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:59,020
and the instructor will give them credit for it.

933
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:00,300
And the students like it

934
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:03,180
because it actually shows real world experience

935
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:04,820
for when they get their degree.

936
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:06,900
And then they go into the world and they can say,

937
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:08,180
well, what have you worked on already?

938
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:10,020
And they say, well, I worked on this.

939
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:13,660
And it's not just something in a computer lab at school,

940
00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:16,220
it's something with real life application to it.

941
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,740
Okay, yeah, that sounds like a pretty good idea

942
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:24,220
and a way to get some nice free labor.

943
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:32,380
Fucking love you, the American dream right there.

944
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:34,080
All right.

945
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,920
Yikes.

946
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,300
I'm sorry, I'm sleep deprived.

947
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:39,660
I didn't mean to say that.

948
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:43,660
Anybody else wanna ask any questions?

949
00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:48,900
Anybody else?

950
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,820
I'm sorry for singing, if you had headphones on, I'm sorry.

951
00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:54,300
Sorry.

952
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:56,900
No, all right.

953
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:58,620
Shit, all right, don't ask.

954
00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:02,240
Yo, y'all are so scared to ask questions.

955
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,260
Like genuinely so scared.

956
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:06,560
UTXO, this is not just with you.

957
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,260
This is with every guest we brought up.

958
00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:11,700
They're terrified, they shake whenever I ask them

959
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,740
this question, they're just like, oh my God, can't do it.

960
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:15,840
Come on.

961
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:19,140
Oh man.

962
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,540
They must be doing something like much more important.

963
00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:23,380
I'm not gonna lie.

964
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:25,460
Oh, look what it is, my friend.

965
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:30,460
Hi, hi, beautiful.

966
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:34,180
Hi, y'all.

967
00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:35,900
Can you hear me?

968
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:37,740
Okay, okay, I have a question.

969
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:41,100
Hi friend, how are you doing?

970
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:42,180
That's my question.

971
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,460
I can come up with one.

972
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:49,260
I'm doing good, you know, just smoked a huge joint,

973
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:51,720
did a nest, drinking some lemonade.

974
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:54,960
Now I wanna smoke.

975
00:49:57,620 --> 00:49:59,500
Well, that was my question.

976
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:01,420
Thanks for answering.

977
00:50:01,420 --> 00:50:03,100
I'm glad you're doing good.

978
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:08,020
I'm just proving she's not scared like everyone else.

979
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:09,500
Let's go.

980
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:12,060
Hey, you see guys, come on.

981
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:14,980
Yo, I mean, I'm not gonna leave you like,

982
00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:16,920
Roya, you're the shit.

983
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,700
Look at this, look how many hands we have up now.

984
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:19,580
Oh my God.

985
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:20,420
Yeah.

986
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:21,240
Right, everybody.

987
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,900
You better ask some questions.

988
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,980
Yeah, I better see those hands.

989
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:27,820
Well, so-

990
00:50:27,820 --> 00:50:29,100
I don't really have any questions,

991
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:30,980
but I just wanted to not be scared.

992
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:33,420
Let's call Roya's path.

993
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:36,460
It's good listening to you guys though.

994
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:38,360
It's really cool to put like the, you know,

995
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,180
the voices to the faces on the profile pics, you know.

996
00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:44,780
Hi Sergio.

997
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:46,140
How you doing, Roya?

998
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:48,380
You're actually inspiring me to zap the most.

999
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:50,860
When I first got on this protocol,

1000
00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:52,260
I was like, who is this Roya

1001
00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:53,620
and why she's zapping so much?

1002
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:55,740
And then I found out about like zap-a-thons

1003
00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:57,760
and that was like, that was it for me.

1004
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,700
I was like, half my fucking paycheck

1005
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:00,740
gets like direct deposit

1006
00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:02,580
and I just take like a percentage of that,

1007
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:05,300
throw it in the lightning and just zap everybody.

1008
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:06,140
Let's go.

1009
00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:08,700
Yes, I'm honored.

1010
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:11,460
I'm trying so hard to orange pill people,

1011
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:13,260
but they're so, it's like pulling teeth.

1012
00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:17,380
Like everybody's in this like analog mindset.

1013
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:18,740
Well, if it wasn't for NOSTER,

1014
00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:21,220
I wouldn't have been orange pill.

1015
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:24,460
So that's why I'm so like, I want to zap everybody.

1016
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:26,060
So thank you.

1017
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:27,100
I feel honored.

1018
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,180
I'm going to shut up now though,

1019
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:31,380
because this is not my time.

1020
00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:33,700
I'm going to do the same.

1021
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:35,020
Hey, I was just going to add to the,

1022
00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:37,260
I'm actually party city right now,

1023
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:38,300
pushing my son around,

1024
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:40,380
but I'm just going to let you know,

1025
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:41,580
when you look at the,

1026
00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:43,500
when we're talking about the minor hash rate and stuff,

1027
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:47,340
and we look at Russia becoming number two in the world,

1028
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:49,380
you're thinking, oh, Russia, you know,

1029
00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:50,940
might be some bad juju or whatever,

1030
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:52,620
but that's actually a benefit.

1031
00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:55,260
Like UTXO was saying, that's what you want to see.

1032
00:51:55,260 --> 00:51:58,060
You want to see all these different countries

1033
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:59,380
increasing their hash rates.

1034
00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:03,860
So you don't, you don't fall risk to that 51%.

1035
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:04,700
Yeah, definitely.

1036
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:09,100
And my objective view is that America

1037
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,660
is the most hostile country, like by a long shot.

1038
00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:14,380
Like if you, if I had to pick one country

1039
00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:18,300
that 51% of the hash should not be in, it would be USA.

1040
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:22,020
100%.

1041
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,260
And you know, you can see what they're doing with Chokepoint.

1042
00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:29,180
They, the way they capture is through regulation or,

1043
00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:32,860
you know, regulatory captures is their MO.

1044
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:34,940
Well, yeah.

1045
00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:35,780
And it's working.

1046
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:37,100
Like we can see it in real time.

1047
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:39,420
All the hash rate is like coming from Foundry,

1048
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:40,940
which is all public miners.

1049
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:42,860
Like we can, people ask like,

1050
00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:44,100
oh, where's this new hash rate come from?

1051
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:44,980
Like we can see it.

1052
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:46,740
It's not, it's not a question.

1053
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:48,540
We know it's coming from Foundry

1054
00:52:48,540 --> 00:52:50,820
and we know that they KYC all their miners.

1055
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:52,740
So like it has already happened.

1056
00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:54,220
That attack already took place.

1057
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:55,980
And like people think that this is bullish.

1058
00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:57,340
Like this is not bullish.

1059
00:52:57,340 --> 00:52:58,180
This is bad.

1060
00:53:01,460 --> 00:53:02,300
Yeah. Yeah.

1061
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,060
It's important to talk about that because, you know,

1062
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:08,140
and when we look at the, I'm interested to see,

1063
00:53:08,140 --> 00:53:11,140
cause Jack had just dropped his block,

1064
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:15,060
basic product kind of just a little preview of it,

1065
00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:19,740
but I'm interested to see what Jack brings to the table

1066
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:23,500
on kind of, I don't know if that's more of a retail miner

1067
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:27,220
or if it's something where he wants to build out,

1068
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:30,060
but you know, it's, I'd like to see more

1069
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:34,820
dispersed ASICs around, even if it's just,

1070
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:37,740
even some silly like that Jade wallet, you know,

1071
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:39,820
it's just, it's great to see.

1072
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:43,260
We really want to see decentralization anyway, Ken.

1073
00:53:45,860 --> 00:53:48,540
Hey, I just wanted to ask real quick,

1074
00:53:49,540 --> 00:53:51,540
how hard is it to run your own node?

1075
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:52,380
I've never done it.

1076
00:53:52,380 --> 00:53:55,820
I know, you know, a lot of people are doing it.

1077
00:53:55,820 --> 00:53:58,620
And I also have listened to people saying

1078
00:53:58,620 --> 00:54:00,580
that running the Lightning node would be a lot harder

1079
00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:02,500
than just running like a full Bitcoin node.

1080
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:03,740
I don't know how true that is or not.

1081
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:05,580
I haven't had any experience with it.

1082
00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:08,020
Do y'all know of any products that I could like, you know,

1083
00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:11,580
kind of like use for a basic pleb that doesn't code

1084
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:14,260
and doesn't know anything about, you know,

1085
00:54:14,260 --> 00:54:15,660
anything like that?

1086
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:16,500
Yeah.

1087
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:21,460
So the easiest way to run a node is to install Bitcoin core

1088
00:54:21,460 --> 00:54:22,900
on your windows computer.

1089
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,300
So it just like, it's literally like any other program.

1090
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:30,620
You just click next, next, next, and then now you have it.

1091
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:33,780
And then when you use your wallet software,

1092
00:54:33,780 --> 00:54:37,100
like Sparrow or Trezor, whatever you use,

1093
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,980
there should always be an option in that wallet software

1094
00:54:39,980 --> 00:54:42,740
where you select what node to connect to.

1095
00:54:42,740 --> 00:54:44,780
And pretty much all of them will have Bitcoin core.

1096
00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:47,860
So you just like, as long as Bitcoin core is running

1097
00:54:47,860 --> 00:54:50,180
on your computer, then you have a full node.

1098
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:53,420
And when you broadcast transactions,

1099
00:54:53,420 --> 00:54:56,140
like you don't have to rely on somebody else's node

1100
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:59,060
and nobody else's node can see all of your transactions

1101
00:54:59,060 --> 00:55:01,380
or your X pub or anything like that.

1102
00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:02,460
So that's the easiest way.

1103
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:04,500
Now that's not gonna be a lightning node.

1104
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:07,340
So if you wanna go like a step ahead,

1105
00:55:07,340 --> 00:55:11,100
but still like somewhat easy is you look at something

1106
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:14,500
like an Umbrell or embassy OS or start nine,

1107
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,700
these like pre-packaged nodes,

1108
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:20,060
that's probably like the next step.

1109
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:22,500
If you wanna like the easy experience.

1110
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:23,900
Awesome.

1111
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:26,620
Yeah, I guess it's just kind of like a scary thing

1112
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:27,660
to approach.

1113
00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:29,060
It sounds like it's such a big,

1114
00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:31,180
you know, it's kind of a big deal.

1115
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:33,900
Yeah, and a lot of times like,

1116
00:55:34,820 --> 00:55:37,180
because lightning is the cool new thing,

1117
00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:39,540
that part like it is complicated.

1118
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:41,460
Like it is not easy.

1119
00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:42,700
When people say that is easy,

1120
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:44,380
it's like they're already developers,

1121
00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:45,420
it's easy for them.

1122
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:46,260
Yeah, yeah.

1123
00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:47,980
Within context, within the context

1124
00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:48,820
of what they're already doing,

1125
00:55:48,820 --> 00:55:50,820
it's probably just a breeze for them.

1126
00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:53,420
Yeah, but I promise anybody can install

1127
00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:54,420
Bitcoin Core on Windows.

1128
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:57,660
Cause it's like you download EXE and you literally just,

1129
00:55:57,660 --> 00:56:00,580
it's like every other software you've ever installed.

1130
00:56:00,580 --> 00:56:02,060
Okay, cool.

1131
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:03,500
Thank you.

1132
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:04,580
Can anyone hear me?

1133
00:56:05,420 --> 00:56:06,260
Yeah.

1134
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:07,340
Well, we hear you buddy.

1135
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:09,500
Okay, I can hear you now.

1136
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:10,820
Yes, sir.

1137
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:11,940
Hi.

1138
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:12,900
Hi, Roya.

1139
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:13,980
How you doing?

1140
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:15,780
Good, how are you?

1141
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:20,780
Can't complain.

1142
00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:23,140
I got this problem.

1143
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:27,740
If I have my phone and my laptop on,

1144
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:34,220
I can't use the sound for whatever reason,

1145
00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:35,060
it blocks it out.

1146
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:37,420
So I don't know what happens, why it does it.

1147
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:43,420
Sounds like a problem with your router,

1148
00:56:43,420 --> 00:56:47,020
not being able to direct packets.

1149
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:48,580
Hey, I don't know what,

1150
00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:50,580
I'm actually in a different place

1151
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:52,220
than I normally am at the minute.

1152
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:53,380
So I'm on a different router.

1153
00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:55,420
So I don't know, I don't know what goes on.

1154
00:56:56,540 --> 00:57:01,540
But I'm using my phone now, so we should be good.

1155
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:05,140
So I had a question for you UTXA,

1156
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:07,940
like when I tried to get on before and was having trouble

1157
00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:12,940
about Russia being a good or a bad thing,

1158
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:15,700
doesn't it have to be a good thing

1159
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:18,140
if the US is enemies with Russia

1160
00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:19,340
and Russia is doing something?

1161
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:21,740
Doesn't that then force the US

1162
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:24,580
to have a look at what their policies are

1163
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:28,820
and not let them get more hash rate than the US,

1164
00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:31,780
even if they're putting up this smoke screen

1165
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:35,220
and trying to block it to save their Ponzi scheme

1166
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:36,980
that they're running now?

1167
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:39,220
That's the way I view it anyway.

1168
00:57:39,220 --> 00:57:42,820
Yeah, it's definitely good that Russia is mining more,

1169
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:43,860
for sure.

1170
00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:46,100
What I think is bad is that there's,

1171
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:48,260
the US mining is growing too fast

1172
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:50,820
and they're getting an overwhelming amount of hash power.

1173
00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:53,820
So I think it's great that Russia is,

1174
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:55,740
how that affects the US government policy,

1175
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:57,580
I don't give a fuck about the government.

1176
00:57:57,580 --> 00:58:00,100
I only care about the Bitcoin network.

1177
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:01,500
That's where my faith is in.

1178
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,020
So as long as that is healthy,

1179
00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:06,220
I don't really care how the US is gonna react.

1180
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:07,380
So I think it's great.

1181
00:58:08,420 --> 00:58:10,580
Yeah, I'm with you on that.

1182
00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:15,580
My point, I guess, is it might make the government here

1183
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:17,620
in the US a little bit more,

1184
00:58:19,540 --> 00:58:21,140
I don't know what the word is, lenient

1185
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:22,500
or whatever on the mining industry,

1186
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:24,500
like instead of trying to come down hard on it

1187
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:25,540
because if they do,

1188
00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:29,100
then they're gonna lose the hash war with Russia.

1189
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,300
So that's where I was sort of angling

1190
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:34,700
that it's a good thing that Russia's doing

1191
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:36,340
what they're doing.

1192
00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:38,980
Yeah, I think that makes logical sense,

1193
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:41,580
but the government is just so retarded.

1194
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:43,980
I don't give them any credit for even being able

1195
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:47,340
to have a thought as advanced as what you just outlined,

1196
00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:49,900
which is somewhat basic.

1197
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:52,980
But I mean, Biden and Trump,

1198
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:54,420
these people don't know what they're doing

1199
00:58:54,420 --> 00:58:56,380
or anything really.

1200
00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:59,380
Yeah, I'm with you there,

1201
00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:03,340
but I just have to assume that there are some smart people

1202
00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:05,740
and they're doing something because these fucking idiots

1203
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:08,860
couldn't do it on their own.

1204
00:59:08,860 --> 00:59:10,140
So they're just a figurehead.

1205
00:59:10,140 --> 00:59:14,420
So the smart people are behind running the show, I hope.

1206
00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:18,140
And that's all we can do is hope, I guess.

1207
00:59:19,460 --> 00:59:22,620
Well, I don't share that assumption.

1208
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:23,900
I think they're all stupid.

1209
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:26,780
I mean, they just announced that you still need a vaccine

1210
00:59:26,780 --> 00:59:28,820
to go to America, like what?

1211
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:31,780
Yeah, these are not smart people

1212
00:59:31,780 --> 00:59:34,780
and this is not a serious country anymore.

1213
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:35,740
Yeah, that's sad.

1214
00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:37,860
Has it ever been a serious country then?

1215
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:44,500
Yeah, I don't know, like maybe like World War II days.

1216
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:47,860
Maybe you can make a case.

1217
00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:49,500
I was gonna say, maybe when the founding fathers

1218
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:52,420
were smoking weed and drinking and kicking Brits asses,

1219
00:59:52,420 --> 00:59:53,740
that's about the only time.

1220
00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:59,340
I don't know, but I am not bullish

1221
00:59:59,340 --> 01:00:01,780
on anything government these days.

1222
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:05,900
And I'm Canadian, by the way, too.

1223
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:08,940
Yeah, it's not good.

1224
01:00:12,620 --> 01:00:16,180
It's just annoying that they're trying to save something

1225
01:00:16,180 --> 01:00:17,340
that's just so broken.

1226
01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:21,020
It's just like, stop, wake up, smell the roses.

1227
01:00:21,020 --> 01:00:24,620
Let's get our time and energy into something

1228
01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:27,980
that's gonna actually be fruitful.

1229
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:30,300
But anyway.

1230
01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:36,540
Any closing remarks on about to turn off,

1231
01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:40,180
close out this audio for that last hour?

1232
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:42,900
I believe it was the 19th hour with UTXO.

1233
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:47,860
I'll just say, thanks everyone for listening.

1234
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:51,620
Check out Noleth.io and you start sleeping.

1235
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:54,060
I'm so proud of you, man.

1236
01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:56,260
I remember when you were just this NIM

1237
01:00:56,260 --> 01:00:59,460
and I zapped you like a thousand times.

1238
01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:01,860
You're like, oh my God, are these Jack zaps or whatever?

1239
01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:05,180
And then Jack zapped you and you just lost your shit.

1240
01:01:05,180 --> 01:01:08,620
Like, I remember you back then.

1241
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:10,980
And now look at you hosting this big Ness.

1242
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:12,300
What a guy, I'm proud of you, buddy.

1243
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:13,700
I'm still that same NIM, bro.

1244
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:15,420
I'm still the same fucking NIM.

1245
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:16,460
You're a legend.

1246
01:01:16,460 --> 01:01:20,340
I'll still get fucking excited if that shit happens, man.

1247
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:22,620
Fuck, I love you guys.

1248
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:23,620
Good for you, man.

1249
01:01:23,620 --> 01:01:24,780
You guys have a good day.

1250
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:25,620
I'm out.

1251
01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:26,940
Have a good day, my friend.

1252
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:53,780
Turning it off from now.