1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,340 I often think when I'm making decisions, I'm very often think if I'm making a decision based on, you know, fear, or if I'm making a decision based on, on maximizing the maximizing what could happen. And to me, it's just felt supernatural. I have no idea what the hell am I going to be doing or what's the like, there is no plan. But 2 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:30,140 you know, yeah, I'll just yellow right? 3 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:55,900 Yo, that's amazing, man. Literally, like, man, I'm so fucking happy that you're you're taking this big step. And so many people are gonna follow man, because literally, like you, it's the doors opening and the crack, you can see the potential of like, this is the future at the end of the day, like people are, people are gonna recognize especially like after 4 00:00:55,900 --> 00:01:16,540 I don't know, but you guys are so passionate about what you guys are currently building, that it is just it comes out amazing, you know, like the actual product is incredible. Like, it's always something that you guys want would want to use. And we're so like you that we we end up using it just as much as you do, like we end up getting addicted to it just as much as you do. 5 00:01:16,540 --> 00:01:42,460 Yeah, I think that the thing is that when you look at at Nostar, it unlocks in a very simple way, it unlocks a couple of part in paradigms paradigms that in computer science, we've been trying to do for literally decades. You know, like, like the beginning of the of the web itself is about the interlinking of data. It was just, you know, on the on the web, the the lack of structural 6 00:01:42,460 --> 00:02:10,620 on HTML meant that even the linking that you could do could only get you so far. But in Nostar, it unlocks so many different things. So the eagerness to rush and and build everything to discover, okay, what what does all this stuff imply? I don't know, the pool is so hard. It's so strong. It's just, once you get to the bottom of it, you're like, oh, I'm gonna build it. 7 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:16,380 It's just what once you see it, you really, really can't unsee it because it's so freaking big. 8 00:02:19,420 --> 00:02:40,300 No, I could I could definitely see that. Apologies. I'm like currently coughing my fucking ass off over here. Like, I don't know what the fuck I caught. But um, fuck me. So basically, Pablo, you have so many things currently going on, man. What is your most favorite at the moment? 9 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:44,460 What's your what's your favorite child? Like, I know this is impossible for a parent to answer. But 10 00:02:48,540 --> 00:03:07,820 No, I mean, right, right now, what has captured my my attention and my my curiosity, the most without a doubt is this highlighter thing that I'm building. Because I think it solves what Evernote and all the shitty products and you know, like notion and research and fucking 11 00:03:07,820 --> 00:03:36,220 stuff paper and all this bullshit, what they've been trying or pretending to solve, but it has because it's a nuster, it has a chance of solving it for real in a way that is not going to rock you. Because if you use Evernote, you, you accrue a lot of value, like you generate a lot of value in the creation and the writing that you do on those on those documents that you do a notion on on Evernote or notion as well. 12 00:03:36,220 --> 00:04:04,940 But the moment that something else comes that fits better your your way of thinking or your workflow, you end up being compelled to go somewhere else. And even if you can export your your writing and your notes and whatever, the metadata that links those documents, it's lost, right? Because there is no way that you can export data from one platform to another platform and not have 13 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:34,860 some kind of data loss. So to me, the fact that in Nostar, you can do it and there is no exporting of the data because it's not required because the data can interact between my highlighter app and any other app like that one or with demos or with Amethyst or with whatever it might be in a native way. To me, that seems so fucking powerful. And I think 14 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:53,980 I'm I'm so I'm I've been building this product and I'm playing with a bunch of new experiments of how to use NIP-51 and mixing mixing it with Subster, for example. So I don't know. This this one has captured my my imagination profoundly. 15 00:04:53,980 --> 00:05:10,300 I honestly love the extension. And I don't think you should get discouraged, man. Fuck Google. Like I told you before. Fuck Google. I'm really discouraged because it's honestly like my favorite thing. It's just so useful to actually 16 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:35,580 It's super useful because you use that extension. And basically in a very simple way, you can bring anything that you find valuable. You can bring it into Nostar with like literally one click. And and then you can interact with that information within Nostar. And man, that's like so fucking so my wife, she's writing a she's writing a book. 17 00:05:35,580 --> 00:05:53,500 And so she's been playing with using the stuff that I'm building within highlighter to gather research. So as she's reading books for, you know, it's a fiction. So as she's reading these other books that are, you know, within the same genre. 18 00:05:53,500 --> 00:06:16,460 Also, what she's writing, she she's taking notes, and then she can have other people comment on those notes. So within the notes like she reads on Amazon Kindle using the web reader, the cloud reader, and then she can highlight and create that highlight as a Nostar event. And then she can add the notes and comments around the Nostar event. 19 00:06:16,460 --> 00:06:46,380 And then what she's thinking is then I could that she could ask her followers for feedback on does this work that this not work and like they can see the context of everything related to that one idea that she has been thinking. And then you could even see people sapping the best ideas related to one particular topic for in you know, in regards to feedback within within that list. I don't know, man, it's like, there is so much to think about. 20 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:55,420 There are so many different possibilities and opportunities on on how to discover and interact with content in new ways. It's just fucking mind blowing. 21 00:06:55,420 --> 00:07:02,380 It's incredible, man. There's I absolutely like that's just one use case, but there's thousands, there's thousands. 22 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:20,300 Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, like if you if you look at how many companies like Evernote have has been built, have been built throughout the years, that shows to the amount of demand that there is for something like that solves the knowledge management problem. 23 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:33,260 But nothing, nothing is the silver bullet. And I think the silver bullet is Nostar. It's not like highlighter. Highlighter is just a one interface. It's the fact that it happens in Nostar. 24 00:07:33,260 --> 00:07:43,260 That is so true, man. And you could really bring any type of fucking content on here. And you're thinking about doing more than just text, right? 25 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:55,260 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So I actually the first time I met Gigi, we recorded a podcast at least maybe two or three years ago. 26 00:07:55,260 --> 00:08:14,260 And and we were like before before the podcast, we we were discussing he's the tools and the systems that he has for for like media consumption. And he has like a very complex or back then, I'm sure it changed. 27 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:28,260 But back then, he had a very complex system that he could do highlights on podcast transcriptions and it would all try to coalesce around. 28 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:38,260 It's not like this dead highlight somewhere in, you know, like a file, but it's rather part of a whole. Right. 29 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:50,260 So you're listening to a podcast about whatever about nutrition and you want those highlights to be related to ideas that are similar or close or nearby to similar ideas. 30 00:08:50,260 --> 00:09:05,260 Right. Because if you have multiple ideas looking at one thing from different points of view, that's when you can expand your creativity and and inform like think about a problem in different ways. 31 00:09:05,260 --> 00:09:16,260 Actually, I hadn't even like, you just made me think about something because I have this app, I think it's called I'm re downloading it right now because I hadn't used it in so long. 32 00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:19,260 It's called I think read wise. Have you heard about that? 33 00:09:19,260 --> 00:09:35,260 Dude, read wise. I was when I heard of read wise, I was so jealous that I didn't come up with that idea because I thought that idea is so fucking cool. It's such a good idea. 34 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:49,260 It's an amazing, amazing idea. But, but it has a huge problem that the data that it produces is siloed on read wise. Why would you ever fucking go to read wise? 35 00:09:49,260 --> 00:09:59,260 Like it's it's it's retarded. Like you take your notes on this one app. Right. On every note or notion or research or workflow or whatever it might be. 36 00:09:59,260 --> 00:10:11,260 And then your highlight, which is something that you dedicated time you learn you read a book and you saw you thought, oh, this is important enough to highlight it to make a comment. 37 00:10:11,260 --> 00:10:16,260 And then it goes and dies on your read wise data read wise database. 38 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:27,260 Literally. I can't imagine Pablo. I already know that you're already thinking about doing something like this for for Nostra because it only seems like the right thing to do. 39 00:10:27,260 --> 00:10:43,260 Like there's so many people that love books on here and to have something like read read wise for Nostra a combination of like no highlight with read wise for books and then you can bring on every other type of comment content. 40 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:59,260 But I don't know how you would do it exactly with would it be like like kind of like like like would you actually input the book like import the book and be able to highlight it yourself or would it already be in a day? 41 00:10:59,260 --> 00:11:04,260 I mean, not not the entire book at least you know like I would definitely not do that. 42 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:22,260 Maybe someone else who wants to take that project that that will be a pretty big project but but but maybe as you're reading the book, the same thing read wise does I mean the exact same thing read wise does instead of saving it on a fucking read wise database where it's going to die. 43 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:50,260 You save it on also as a Nostra highlight and then you have some type of that's why I what I'm building with highlighter this Atlas product that I'm referring to the Atlas notes and I'm thinking Atlas because it's it's like a map right it's a map of every everything single thing that you deemed worthy that you deemed that it was important enough for you to write to take a note to save 44 00:11:50,260 --> 00:12:00,260 to bookmark to highlight. So any type of data because if you think of demos on Amethyst and and snores and not like all the clients that we use every day. 45 00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:19,260 The emphasis on the value of the data is the real time component because it's a you know it's a Twitter like experience. So most of the data, three days later or a week or a month later, for the most part is probably not useful data, you know it's not as valuable, right? 46 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:30,260 When you go to someone's profile, you usually want to see what's the last thing they wrote, you don't want to see what was this thing they wrote six months ago just randomly right. 47 00:12:30,260 --> 00:12:39,260 But the client that I'm building is a client that the focus is not on the real time essence so like supply for example it's also real time right. 48 00:12:39,260 --> 00:12:49,260 But, but the client that I'm building the focus is on what's the most important data that I've that I've gathered through the time that I've been using Nostr. 49 00:12:49,260 --> 00:12:56,260 And the fact that you can input any kind of data, including from the web including from whatever. 50 00:12:56,260 --> 00:13:11,260 I at some point I want to do like OCR so you can like, you know, take a picture of a book and just, you know, be able to get the text from the book. But man, it's to me that like super excites me. 51 00:13:11,260 --> 00:13:30,260 That's fucking amazing that's exactly what I was just thinking like what if you just like you're on a certain page, or suddenly, and you just decide to like bring your camera out and boom right there and then you have the highlighting option, and pick exactly from what text to like what we don't from the start to the end of the text. 52 00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:52,260 So it's a highlighted note now. And I was gonna ask you, in terms of like the event that you're creating for these specific notes these Atlas notes. That's going to be an event that is prioritized to be stored amongst relays correct like it's not going to be the same thing as a like an event one that is potentially 53 00:13:52,260 --> 00:14:00,260 Yeah, it's not it's not a kind one is a kind 98 in 9802 which is just a random number. 54 00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:02,260 Nothing special about it. 55 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:18,260 And, and yeah, it's just a different kind and includes the content that was highlighted and the source so you can, you know, like you can have an R tag so it references our URL, or it can have an A tag and it references a replaceable event. 56 00:14:18,260 --> 00:14:36,260 Yeah, yeah, it's. But I mean, the fact that it's Noster it means that you can very easily, you know, keep a copy of all these things without any kind of any kind of features right like you could have a, you know, a personal relay that is access as a backup of all this data. 57 00:14:36,260 --> 00:14:54,260 True. I also like that feature that I think, Ethan, Ethan, Ethan has this feature where you can literally backup your notes as on JSONs, download them. So it's super cool. If you're not running your own node. I mean your own relay. 58 00:14:54,260 --> 00:15:11,260 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think for the most part that's going to be, you know, like, I think what's really cool about Noster is that it, it wants to scale horizontally right because that's why we push signatures to to the clients and we push validation to the I mean really 59 00:15:11,260 --> 00:15:24,260 mostly the validation as well, but, but the fact that you can always just have the actual JSON record. There is nothing special going on on the relay. 60 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:30,260 It's backing up is built into the into the protocol, you know. 61 00:15:30,260 --> 00:15:32,260 That's fucking incredible. 62 00:15:32,260 --> 00:15:42,260 I'm super fucking hyped, especially for for what you have going on with highlighter. I honestly see it going so many directions. 63 00:15:42,260 --> 00:16:02,260 I mean, you can take it, especially with multimedia content later on. Like how fucking crazy would it be to like clip certain certain things like let's say right now we want to clip a part of this audio, like sort of like how fountain does it right. 64 00:16:02,260 --> 00:16:06,260 Yeah, I think you know exactly where I'm going with this. 65 00:16:06,260 --> 00:16:17,260 Absolutely. I mean, to be honest, if if fountain doesn't become another client within the next year, I will be extremely, extremely surprised. 66 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:28,260 Because, I don't know to me, the podcast podcast feed I heard Adam Curry say that that the Noster people want everything in Noster. 67 00:16:28,260 --> 00:16:42,260 Man, it just makes it makes a whole lot more sense right because you go to fontine and you have this chat going on right with these these booster grams going on. 68 00:16:42,260 --> 00:17:00,260 And again, they are, it's its own system right so no one, there is no meaningful conversation going on there, because it's it's all silo it like each single episode will need to, it would need to create its own network effect, it's like, there is no fucking way that that's going to happen. 69 00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:14,260 Whereas, if you if the podcast was an answer has these these like we we uploaded the podcast episode that I did with with G last last weekend. 70 00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:18,260 We uploaded that as a Noster native event. 71 00:17:18,260 --> 00:17:28,260 And when you comment or when you stop, you're stopping the episode itself. It's a it's a different kind is kind 31337. 72 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:48,260 And, and whatever kind of conversation happens happens around the event itself is not on this other thing on this other platform so you can have a conversation and then you can start responding to the conversation that is happening from demos and from amethyst or from any client is not an isolated conversation 73 00:17:48,260 --> 00:17:55,260 that is meant that will die because, you know, there is no, there is no activity. 74 00:17:55,260 --> 00:18:07,260 So yeah, to me all these kinds of interactions they just they just make so much more sense if you have them in a place where they can span any kind of silo. 75 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:21,260 I fucking completely agree man. And I know for a fact like I kind of want to ask you a certain question but I don't want to, I don't want to sidetrack you from what you currently have going on with with highlighter and everything else. 76 00:18:21,260 --> 00:18:25,260 I'm curious man. 77 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:39,260 So, what I really want to ask you is, what is, what do you think is going to be the biggest because we all know that you know mostly everything that's out there is going to be turned into a Noster client or a micro app at one point or another. 78 00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:57,260 What would you think would be like most exciting for you to use not not built for you to use in the span of like let's say the next, you know, six months to a year like, what do you see yourself using and enjoying more than anything else. 79 00:18:57,260 --> 00:19:11,260 Yeah, I think that's a hard question because if I weren't like the answer is that the highlighter stuff. And if the answer were different I would be working on that other stuff. 80 00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:17,260 That's exactly what I didn't want to say because I was like, no, you gotta get another idea and just work on that instead. 81 00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:27,260 No, but yeah I mean, I mean, I've been using, you know, like, I read a lot. 82 00:19:27,260 --> 00:19:47,260 I interact with, and I have many ideas and I take many notes. And anytime I've done them on different systems they, they all tend to die because of, you know, the platform that I'm using is not able to evolve with my workflow. 83 00:19:47,260 --> 00:20:05,260 For a really long time, Evernote was good enough for me. But then I started changing the way I do things or interacting with different kind of data. And then I would have to go back to Evernote to rescue some of my notes and some of my, my thinking. 84 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:24,260 But that's just not sustainable, right. Because, because, because you introduced the problem. If you're using Evernote, then discoverability of data is solved right because you are interacting with the Evernote native data. 85 00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:37,260 So discoverability is built into the product, obviously, but the moment you are not using that specific product on that specific silo, then discoverability becomes a huge, huge problem. 86 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:57,260 So, so to me, this is without a doubt the most exciting. This is the most exciting thing and then I read she's article the, the, what's it called, purple text, orange highlights, which is a great title. 87 00:20:57,260 --> 00:21:18,260 And, and I was super excited that and then the moment I launched it, so I was communicating with him as I was building it and the moment I launched it, we got on the phone and we started getting like, super, super cosmic on all the different possibilities and I, he told me I've been looking for something like this for 15 years. 88 00:21:18,260 --> 00:21:42,260 And then I started exchanging some some notes with with guy with guys one about about this stuff and the the caliber of people that have this problem as well. And I think for the most part, any kind of, you know, Taipei person that, you know, is, it's just does a lot of writing or does a lot of, you know, thinking or whatever. 89 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:54,260 And in some way we want some kind of system that will help us make sense of all that thinking and give it, you know, a structure or give it, give it more meaning. 90 00:21:54,260 --> 00:21:59,260 So yeah, we thought about this is what excites me, what that excites me the most. 91 00:21:59,260 --> 00:22:14,260 And I actually I love that. I love that answer, because, um, yeah, I couldn't see you like, honestly, man. Yes, I, this is a thing that you should definitely work on because it's going to bring so much happiness to a lot of people, especially yourself. 92 00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:29,260 Like, like, you sound so passionate about it right now, especially because you find use in it, especially Gigi as well. Like, yeah, like, bro, I find it super useful as well. Like, I want to bring content from other other places. 93 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:35,260 And yeah, I want to bring like my old content as well. Like, I've written some stuff, so I want to bring it over here. 94 00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:59,260 100% man, 100%. And when you when you think about it, the type of people that will be attractive for to use something like this have pretty much no overlap other than general population like random overlap with people that are interested in sensors, censorship, resistance, social media. 95 00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:17,260 Like, if you rebuild another Twitter clone or another DMing app or another app like like this, we are kind of competing in where we're kind of like speaking to the same audience of people that want to use something like this. 96 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:30,260 But there are so many people that don't give a shit about the social media, they don't give a shit about censorship, resistance, but they are interested in productivity tools. 97 00:23:30,260 --> 00:23:56,260 And so, and what I'm thinking now is the pie, the Nostra pie right now is so small that no one can make a living out of Nostra. No one. But if we grow the pie profoundly, then it becomes much, much more possible for many developers and companies to make a living out of out of Nostra. 98 00:23:56,260 --> 00:24:10,260 And I mean, I think building for use cases that make sense for Nostra, but are not currently served in any way. Man, I think that's such a good, good, good approach. 99 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:18,260 That's incredible. I haven't I haven't actually heard anybody actually say it the way they just said or even try to approach it the way that you're approaching it. 100 00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:27,260 Because everything that I do see is somehow a clone of something else, which is not a wrong thing if you want to like you know be. 101 00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:49,260 You know there's it's not a wrong or right, but there's definitely a better approach to it. When you want to like not compete when you just want to like, like, like how you said, just grow the pie and give an actual good use case for, for, you know, to to Nostra like from from something 102 00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:57,260 that's not being actively like worked on anywhere else and there's a need for it, whether you knew it or you didn't. 103 00:24:57,260 --> 00:25:12,260 But yeah, it's it's incredible that you actually like, I wish a lot of people would just like, maybe the devs would just like take a step back and be like, then what's actually something out there that could be improved on or could just like overall just be much better or 104 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:22,260 not that what is you know what is something that I'm missing in my life that I wish I had that none of these apps, you know do correctly or maybe five of these apps do. 105 00:25:22,260 --> 00:25:25,260 But I want to make it you know I want to put it all into one. 106 00:25:25,260 --> 00:25:40,260 I am bringing over. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a bit why I started working on on that as well because I kept thinking, I during Nostra guy gave a lot of talks where the main point was that that Nostra is so much more than just social media. 107 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:45,260 It's great for social media is so much more than that right. 108 00:25:45,260 --> 00:26:01,260 And, and what I wanted to build with with with highlighter and Atlas nodes and again like the difference between highlighter and Atlas nodes Atlas node is like one part of highlighter and Atlas nodes is much more of something for you, it's not for you to interact 109 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:12,260 with people as much you can, but it's, it's, you know, it's the idea of if you think of Evernote or notion. That's more the Atlas nodes. 110 00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:26,260 Your thoughts that you want to keep to yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so within Atlas node you can actually encrypt the, you can encrypt them, the, the some notes like you can, you can write notes that are encrypted and it's kind of cool 111 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:42,260 because the encryption is done with with a key that the key is per note. So you could leak that key to someone, if you wanted to give them access to that one specific note. 112 00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:58,260 And I'm thinking doing some stuff with with with snore you know because you could do multi see you can do like a one of N, you know, like you could do some some, some weird stuff that's. Yeah, yeah. And that's why I'm also building any 46, because I want to build within 113 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:11,260 within Atlas nodes I want to build your the possibility of you within your umbrella or within your whatever to run. It's called insect banker. 114 00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:25,260 And if you guys know CK bunker it's as a way of running a call card in HSM mode, where you just plug it into USB, and you give it a bunch of policies and you say okay I want to be able to spend from my Bitcoin, whatever. 115 00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:28,260 I'm going to spend on such per day for example. 116 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:33,260 And then you send requests to the CK bunker and it will assign or not sign. 117 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:50,260 And I'm building the same thing for itself, we call insect bunker where you could have in your umbrella, your insect, and you don't have your insect anywhere else like no client is has your insect, they all connect back to your umbrella to whatever, and they, 118 00:27:50,260 --> 00:28:03,260 you know, you're in the events and your umbrella is the one that is signing. And within Atlas nodes that means that I could give like the person that is creating a note, they could have. 119 00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:17,260 They could create policies where they can allow other people to for example, make modifications to the note, and you could say, like this person can make these amounts of modifications or you can approve the modifications like you can do different things 120 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:22,260 I don't know like the facilities are so fucking what is pretty pretty wild. 121 00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:34,260 That's insane. I'm even thinking that since you're creating so many keys and so many pairs like why you're doing while you're making these notes you might as well also have like a key manager or something like that for. 122 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:41,260 Yeah, that's why you ask the bunker is so you can ask it to the right key. Yeah, so you can ask it to the right keys. 123 00:28:41,260 --> 00:29:00,260 And then to sign for those keys. Right now, for Atlas nodes, for each key that it creates, it saves it as a self DM, so it DMs yourself the key, so the key itself is encrypted as a kind for. 124 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:16,260 And then it has the address of the, like the, the best 32 of the event of the note. But what's cool is that you could create public notes so kind ones non encrypted notes that are not associated with your main identity. 125 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:21,260 So you could even gather feedback from other people. 126 00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:24,260 But without revealing that that person is you. 127 00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:32,260 Yeah, that is like, it's fucked up man it's it's it's so fucking cool. 128 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:59,260 Or, for example, what I built last night is when you create a list, you can say that this list. I mean you can you can change it per item but within a need 51 list, you can say that least this list gets its own pop key. 129 00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:17,260 So you will say so in my test, I create least and I call it research, and it creates a contact zero saying Pablo's research list. And then I, it will publish kind once for each item that I add to the list. 130 00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:24,260 So I write a note like whatever I'm trying to do whatever whatever whatever. And then it publish that as a kind one. 131 00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:39,260 So that that new pop key has no followers. But if I want that one note to be broadcast to my audience to gather feedback. I can just go in and boost repost that that note. 132 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:53,260 But without spamming Yeah, but without spamming my whole context is every time I create something, you know, but if someone is interested in what I'm writing or the research that I'm doing on that list, they can just follow the pop key. 133 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:57,260 That's so fucking interesting, bro. Holy shit. 134 00:30:57,260 --> 00:31:26,260 I had how Okay, okay. Okay. Now that you were talking about this because I've recently just like dive into the list and I'm obsessed with like their capabilities and like certain things around them. I wonder if you played around with like any about machine learning with automating any list or thinking about like you know grouping certain like communities together on list to make it easier for like the onboarding or I don't know. 135 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:31,260 Have you have you thought about like maybe inputting some like automation in there. 136 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:43,260 I haven't thought about automating. I'm skeptical about the the whole AI. I don't know, like, I'm extremely impressed by the by the results. 137 00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:52,260 Mostly because I asked you to ask you to write Bitcoin script and it just came up with a bunch of upcoast that simply do not exist. 138 00:31:52,260 --> 00:32:09,260 It's lies so much but it answers with a level of confidence that you end up saying, wait, I never heard about this upcode and then you go in and he's like, it doesn't fucking exist. 139 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:23,260 You said bullshit to me, bro. I asked her for a whole bunch of a list of websites that had a that had a specific because I wanted to submit a project on a whole bunch of different websites and it gave me a whole bunch. 140 00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:32,260 It gave me a gave me I literally told the give me 100 100 different sites that had this specific thing and it did it wrote the list but none of those websites were real. 141 00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:41,260 Bro, I was so mad. Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's it's so with regards to the onboarding stuff. 142 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:43,260 So I'm going to start driving. 143 00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:48,260 So, if I if I seem distracted that's why. 144 00:32:48,260 --> 00:33:03,260 So, so with regards to the onboarding stuff so what I what I've been so actually I spoke with semi soul. 145 00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:25,260 And I was also looking at the same thing like this graph of NPUPS. And I also was looking into the same thing and I ended up building like a super massive cluster of graph of NPUPS and it's not only NPUPS it's only that also that's topics. 146 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:40,260 So hashtags. And yeah, for with regards to because now that that graph is fucking massive I'm running. I'm running one bare metal server, and it's indexing everything from like 300 different relays. 147 00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:46,260 And, you know, in a pretty well done way, like I did it first in a hockey way. 148 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:51,260 And it would just suck false all the time so. 149 00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:59,260 And one of the things that with regards to onboarding that I thought is that now I could very easily ask people. 150 00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:10,260 Yeah, when they're creating their accounts, I could very easily ask them okay what are you interested in. And I could, with a whole lot of confidence, I could give you a list of NPUPS to automatically follow. 151 00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:23,260 You know, because you can very easily see the clusters. And I'm sure Semisoul has a lot of opinions about this as well. But you can you can see the clusters quite well. 152 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:37,260 And, and yeah I don't know man, I still have yet to play with the data that I that I've gathered I just looked at it because I have like this Neo4j database that has all the data, all the data. 153 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:45,260 I rented like a super beefy machine with, I think it has like 64 gigs of RAM. 154 00:34:45,260 --> 00:35:02,260 And yeah, it's really cool but I have yet to play with it. But with regards to onboarding that's pretty much the only, the only thinking that I've done, but I really want to have some kind of tool that is like a micro app dedicated to onboarding because I don't think 155 00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:13,260 there's anything that is good enough yet. I saw Nostr me or something like that. And the design was very nice, and I like that. 156 00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:24,260 But I think it was missing, like, the purple peeling part of the, of why do all these things, and, you know, 157 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:35,260 I think it can be improved. So I definitely want to do something like that because I think when you talk to people about Nostr, if you don't give them enough context is, okay, why should I care. 158 00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:47,260 And then most people go into, oh but you know you might get banned from Twitter. And the reality is that no one's getting banned, you know, it's like 0.001% of the population and no one cares. 159 00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:54,260 So yeah, I strongly disagree that that's the right pitch. But yeah. 160 00:35:54,260 --> 00:36:02,260 That's fucking amazing man. I think I know which, you were talking about the similarity bot earlier, about the clusters. 161 00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:10,260 Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's, yeah, I forgot about that bot but yeah of course, of course there is a made up bot for it. 162 00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:17,260 Fucking machine man. 163 00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:26,260 I gotta ask him, is it is it so like, because I'm guessing like the framework for these bots is probably like similar like all of them. 164 00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:34,260 I wonder if you could just like, just, oh I think somebody was going to make a bot that just created bots, or something like that. 165 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:49,260 Yeah, I thought about that. Yeah, I thought about doing that. And then I thought, oh yeah, I want to be the guy that makes the thing that makes a bunch of people create like all these fucking spam. 166 00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:55,260 I created a bot a few, because a friend of mine, well yeah, I can say who it was. 167 00:36:55,260 --> 00:37:04,260 So MBK asked me to write a bot that writes something in Morse code. 168 00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:17,260 So, I wrote the bot, as I was writing it, I was thinking, oh shit, I'm fucking spamming the release with like this nonsense. 169 00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:25,260 Oh yeah, you actually just reminded me of something, there's these like bots that just repost, they're called nonsense, something. 170 00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:32,260 Oh yeah, I hate that thing man. Bro, they're so annoying. It's so fucking annoying. Yeah, yeah. Who the fuck made that? 171 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:50,260 I want to, so some of my bots, they identify themselves, I sound like a woke, but they identify themselves as bots, like their contact zero has, you know, bot truth. I would really like more bot developers to have something like that, because it would be very nice. 172 00:37:50,260 --> 00:38:09,260 There is one that makes something that it responds with random images, and the images sometimes are kind of makes sense. It took me a while to realize that it was a bot. 173 00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:15,260 Damn. Oh, I think I know who you're talking about, you're talking about Cyborg. 174 00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:29,260 No, it wasn't Cyborg. I actually blocked Cyborg just yesterday. No, it was a different one. But it was one that is, it responds in a very cryptic way. 175 00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:35,260 With, I don't know man, it was a while ago, I blocked it a few weeks ago. 176 00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:48,260 I forgot, there was one that actually made memes when I asked it to make a meme. Oh nice. That was crazy. No, but it didn't make like a super nice meme, like it didn't have the template and the words and stuff like that, it just made like a text meme. 177 00:38:48,260 --> 00:39:07,260 Right. Yeah, it was simple. It was very simple. We're reaching, damn, we actually went through this hour so fucking fast Pablo. This might have been like the fastest hour that I've done so far. Holy shit Pablo. Fuck, let's go. 178 00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:22,260 Let's do the last five minutes with Vanessa because I know she was curious about unschooling and that kind of stuff so I do word schooling with my family so I was very curious to hear where her heart's at. 179 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:30,260 Hell yeah. Hell yeah Vanessa you're on. I was going to say, how come I keep ending up on the stage when I join, I don't mean to. 180 00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:38,260 It automatically puts me up here. Not the royalty. 181 00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:57,260 Yeah, no, we were just interested just because Elliot's not necessarily having the greatest grade one experience in public school so, and because we're planning to travel quite a bit coming up, was really interested in that and seeing the people on here who have had good experiences with it. 182 00:39:57,260 --> 00:40:05,260 So, any advice is welcome Pablo, because it sounds like you have it figured out. 183 00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:15,260 I think I have it figured out at this stage, I have no idea what's going to happen when you know my kids are 10 or 12 or something like that. I'm guessing that that's going to change. 184 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:22,260 But, but at this stage it works so well. It's incredible. 185 00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:27,260 Right now, right now my daughter is playing with a friend. 186 00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:36,260 And she's from Germany. So they've been playing a lot together so now she, she's singing in German. 187 00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:52,260 She's four years old and she speaks four languages, well I mean three languages and now she's learning German, which is absolutely insane. But I don't know, I'm so stoked on this, on this model. 188 00:40:52,260 --> 00:41:09,260 I didn't really know about it until I read Daniel Prince's book, Choose Life, and it, man, it, it really really informed the way I think about schooling and it's just education in general. 189 00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:25,260 And I don't know, to me the idea of putting my, my kid to, to, you know, like your fourth, I had a really hard time at school when the teachers would tell me, oh no no no, now it's time for math, and you have to study math, or now it's time for history and you have to study history, 190 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:50,260 and maybe I was super stoked about this other thing at that time. And, man, it, to me the idea of doing that to my, to my kid, it breaks me so, and you there, because when I was thinking about this, it felt so hard, it felt like, but where are we going to go and how are we going to do it, but then 191 00:41:50,260 --> 00:42:00,260 it becomes so easy once you know one or two people that are doing this, then you realize that there is a lot of people doing this thing. 192 00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:04,260 They all have different and super interesting lifestyles. 193 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:17,260 And, you know, it's, it's such a very cool way of organically exposing your, your kid to a very heterogeneous worldview. 194 00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:25,260 You know, we were in Vietnam, a couple of months ago and, you know, Vietnam is not the richest country in the world. 195 00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:44,260 And then we went to, we went to Madeira in Portugal for a few weeks and which is on the opposite side of the spectrum, Madeira is fairly, fairly well off, and that she was hanging out with all kinds of kids from all kinds of places, I don't know, to me, it's so, so valuable. 196 00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:53,260 And it just sounds amazing and what you mentioned about, you know, not wanting to go, you know, work on math at this particular time, or that's exactly what he's having issues with. 197 00:42:53,260 --> 00:43:05,260 So, I think it's very enticing to think that we could spend more time with him, give him that learning but in these different environments and meeting all these amazing people. 198 00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:08,260 So, have to have to find that book. 199 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:26,260 Yeah, yeah, yeah, give it away. The book is very, it's very cool. It's written by a bitcoiner as well. It's the guy from from was beaten podcast and yeah, highly recommend it and yeah I don't know to me the, it's very unnatural right to say to a six year old. 200 00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:34,260 Now you have to do this X thing, even though you are interested in this other thing. It's very, very unnatural. 201 00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:40,260 So yeah, it's, it's, it's very, very, very good idea. 202 00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:46,260 Excellent. 203 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:53,260 I actually took the opportunity to take a little break. I had to. 204 00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:55,260 You're allowed. 205 00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:59,260 This is crazy. You're fired. 206 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:04,260 Nelson fires you. 207 00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:08,260 It's true, it's true I'm fired guys I'm calling. 208 00:44:08,260 --> 00:44:15,260 Oh man yo Pablo. Wow man you you fucking you're a beast man you're machine. There's honestly. 209 00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:20,260 I don't even know what to say anymore Pablo you already heard it from everybody. 210 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:29,260 You're a machine. You fucking incredible bro like fuck like nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody. 211 00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:33,260 God damn man. One man army. Keep going. 212 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:39,260 We love the shit that you build to it's not just for you we fucking love it. 213 00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:41,260 Thanks man. 214 00:44:41,260 --> 00:44:44,260 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 215 00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:47,260 Thank you. 216 00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:53,260 I'm just shitposting a meme. God damn you're building, you're doing amazing. And I really appreciate it. 217 00:44:53,260 --> 00:45:02,260 Setting setting the culture of Nostra at this stage I think it's a super important job that should not be disregarded. 218 00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:16,260 We could establish a culture of being assholes and being, you know, and, and culture has a lot of momentum I, I, I said on a podcast yesterday that 219 00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:33,260 I read the quote from Peter Drucker culture it's a strategy for breakfast. And, man, the importance of culture and the momentum that culture carries is very significant so yeah fucking keep fucking keep me me man you're doing your job. 220 00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:47,260 That was like the highest compliment I've received all fucking night bro. Holy shit. Thank you, man. Holy fuck. Oh man. Okay, I'm, I'm, I don't know what the like this is incredible. 221 00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:51,260 I'm about to end the recording right here. Thank you guys for listening. 222 00:45:51,260 --> 00:46:04,260 This is Pablo.