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and random convo. So I think it'll, you know, we're going to definitely need that at some

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point probably integrated into the Nest. But for now, I guess, you know, the Nostra chat

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that was pretty, pretty nice alternative if people want to kind of communicate via text.

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Yeah, actually show me the profiles. Oh, on the chat. Yeah. Yeah. There's still one that

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I can't see, but it's actually pretty smooth. I like it. I really do like it. It was super

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useful today. Super, super useful. Yeah. Well, like these are all new tools and everyone's

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kind of getting used to it and people are getting more comfortable with the Nest. You

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guys have, how was the overnight? Is there a lot of people hanging out? I think we peaked

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during the Walcott, Saitama and Royale one, right? I think that was like 65 or 70 people

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all here together. Oh, nice. Holy shit. Yeah. So growing more and more. Holy fuck. I hadn't

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even looked. I'm scared to look sometimes. Like I really don't even want to know. I don't

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want to fucking look down there. Yeah. Sometimes you're like flowing and just like trying to

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keep up with all these things. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's beautiful when you don't,

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when you don't, you don't focus on them and you just like flow and you say whatever the

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fuck comes to your head and just say it. You don't care. Well, that's what people want.

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You know, people want to have organic conversations. You know, the beautiful thing about Noster

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in general and, you know, by proxy, the Noster Nest, it's, you know, community and connection

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and building. And I think we've got those things going for it.

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Unfiltered, uncensored, that's the Noster way, isn't it?

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Yeah, sir. Ain't that the truth? Goddamn. I want to say, so I'm pretty sure everybody

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in the audience knows you, knows you guys, but in case they don't, a little bit of background

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on each of you, if you like, your, you know, your Bitcoin story, your Noster story, what

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that you hear, whatever you'd like to share. Good, Ben, you can go first.

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Well, I've been, I've been in Bitcoin now for five, six years, I think, probably that

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over on the 2017, I believe it's kind of when I jumped in. So I've been pretty much a listener

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in the Bitcoin space for a long time, just learning and keeping my ears open and trying

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to just absorb as much information as I can because, you know, Bitcoin is an incredibly

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complex topic. And so I didn't really want to get ahead of over my skis. And so kind

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of when Jack made the announcement mid December, so I'm kind of the Noster push, I jumped over

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here and was kind of, you know, got kind of early to the ecosystem on Noster. And I kind

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of just felt like it was an opportunity to kind of, you know, get my voice out here and

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kind of share my thoughts and kind of follow along with this growing ecosystem. And then

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obviously related along with Bitcoin, because I believe these two networks are extremely

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adjacent, of course. And so basically, one day I jumped on to Seth's Bitcoin lobby when

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he started it, we started chatting and I kind of just kept on joining on to his lobbies.

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And we just kind of kept forming a bond together. And at some point, we just said, hey, we're

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both interested in, you know, this open source nesting, we like to call it, or, you know,

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the unfiltered raw conversation that really doesn't have a direction, we kind of just

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steer it in whichever way it ends up blowing. And so we kind of got together and then we

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we put together some tools for like podcasting and those kinds of social tools. And so now

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we kind of got to a point now where the Bitcoin lobby is around 1 p 2pm Eastern time on a

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lot of weekend weekdays. And then we have a scheduled show that we promote on Thursday

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at 7pm Eastern time. So yeah, that's my story. I like music too. So I think Derek Ross said

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yesterday kind of highlighted me on his little the grow Noster campaign. And I showed off

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my vinyl collection. So people like music. I can also talk about that too. That's just

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Yeah, dude, that's deep. You got a lot of vinyl. Looks sweet, man. Yeah, it's unhealthy. It's

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not my other unhealthy obsession.

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Yeah, I guess. So my Bitcoin story, you know, kind of started the pandemic. I had a friend

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that was just kind of sort of, you know, throwing the bait out there and, you know, Bitcoin,

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Bitcoin, I was kind of into the macro side of things. I was reading that, you know, Ray

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D'Alio and stuff like that. And then when the pandemic happened, I was like, oh, that's

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kind of a, you know, something's going to happen. So I just dove in. I think I did the

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Bitcoin standard first and, you know, down the rabbit hole you go. And, you know, just

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kept going down that journey. And I've been studying a lesson on all the podcasts and

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engaging on Twitter. And then February, probably, is when I learned about Noster. And I came

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over here and just started engaging and, you know, building community, just talking to

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people and just seeing what people were doing. I mean, it was a different way of communicating

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through social media. You know, usually I like to frame it like Twitter's like destructive.

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is all constructive. Everyone's building building relationships and, you know, building out

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apps and so, yeah, just kind of had been doing a couple of the general chats with Derek over

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there, you know, when he was hosting them. And then just open up like the Bitcoin lobby

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and just just came in, just started posting out the link and see if anyone would come

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in. And then people started coming in and we started having good conversations. And

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know, six hours or something like that. You know, and that was just sort of a natural

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conversation. We're just hanging out and next thing you know, it's like two in the morning

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or whatever. And so it was a lot of fun. And, you know, people were sending messages like

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how much fun it was and stuff. And so just kept sharing and then, you know, met you guys

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and, you know, and through some of these channels and had conversations there and, you know,

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just started forming these relationships and just, you know, proof of work, just kind of

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putting the time in and but it's it's really not that much work because you're just having

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conversation with people and it's kind of fun. And so yeah, just keep doing that. And

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and learned a lot about that. And then, you know, he was went into great detail about,

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you know, building community and an ecosystem and drive, you know, setting up the incentives

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and his client really is kind of set up well for, you know, potentially, you know, building

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out those communities and stuff like that. So it was very interesting. I encourage you

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to kind of like like a rented alternative. Stewart's an absolutely fascinating individual.

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on and talk on these messes. Well, so I highly recommend trying to get his ear because, man,

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we have some great conversation out there. I actually want to check out his client. I

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haven't tried it yet. It was satellite Earth. Yeah, it's still kind of in beta. He's going

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to be pushing a big update here. He was saying that he might get around to doing yesterday,

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but it didn't happen. So maybe sometime over the weekend, it's going to get pushed out.

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over his roadmap and everything and how he kind of sees kind of sees satellite Earth

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progressing. And it just seems like it's going to be a really like it's going to be

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like Reddit on steroids with a lot more incentives for like moderation and those kinds of things

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where moderators can actually get some of the fees and zaps or whatever versus just

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the platform itself, Reddit taking all the profits. And so I think when it's done and

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it's completed and it's kind of ready to go, it'll have the incentives there for people

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current development of it?

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Yeah, it's really cool, actually. You can go ahead and say if you want to take that.

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it's a means of backing up the data. So if like basically a relay would get nuked, there

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would be an option to restore it.

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moon's epoch is, if you kind of go on to that relay or whatever, you'll be able to download

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a torrent and be able to save all the events during that time period. And so that it kind

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of just helps ensure that, you know, because a lot of times, you know, relays can delete

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and wipe some of your data. And then at that point, you know, you might not have your event

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data. So just be an alternative or an option for people to keep the stuff they want to

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That's really interesting. The UI UX is pretty interesting as well. Like in terms of the

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profile view is what I like. It's interesting. I hadn't seen something like this before.

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Yeah. If you like click on the on the left, the one thing that offers it, like it can

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kind of zoom in and out of the like the thread, like the comment conversation. And that's

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kind of unique to that client to kind of gives it like a depth of the whole conversation.

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I really like you know what I really, really like about this, how you hover above a name

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of a user, like in this case being a Jack reposted plebster and you hover above it and

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it brings you up this this window, like small little window, giving you the profile of the

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user like a small window like this is fire. You don't have to go ahead and click inside

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the profile. You can see the everything like the bio and a lot of things. The bio, the

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NIP five and the picture. Yeah, that's enough. That's really good.

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Yeah, it's pretty dope.

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It's like he was he was also talking about adding like video hosting services to do it

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as well. So you guys know, we just posted a live. So if you guys are interested, you

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Yeah, we're all the podcasts are found. But yeah, man, it's we're kind of just figuring

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all this stuff out. We call it open source nesting, which takes on a, you know, a broad

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meaning because, you know, we're trying to fail out loud and have the conversations and

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help other people get their stuff going, you know, encourage people. I know our friend

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doing that. But, you know, the growing the whole Nest platform, you know, getting the

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varieties and different types of conversations going, I think is important to

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I've been seeing a shit ton of new Nests coming up. And that's that's so fire to me. Like,

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that's exactly what I want to see. I just want to see a whole bunch of like diverse

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Nests coming up and being able to like just hop on and off from Nests and seeing like

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five or 10 completely unique Nests and being able to like, you know, have options at that

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point in time.

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if someone just wants to go to Nostrnest.com that they have like a selection of things

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that you know, maybe it's a music thing or something like that. Or maybe it's I talk

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about, you know, science or something like that or religion even or, you know, Nostr

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or Bitcoin related or, you know, anything like I think, you know, it'd just be nice

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to be able to come on here 24 seven and just have kind of like a global chat community

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of people that have channels open where users can kind of pick and choose what they want

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to feel like talking about because I mean, you know, all of us have our different interests

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and hobbies, right? So, you know, one day I might want to talk about Bitcoin heavy and

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I might be, you know, Bitcoin or Nostr or whatever, but maybe someday I just want to

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talk about music with somebody. Maybe, you know, there's a music channel out there and

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I can just hop on there and hang out for a little bit. So just having choices and options,

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I think is just going to be the most important thing. That's why it's great what you guys

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are doing here with your 24 hour marathon, trying to raise awareness and donation money

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to send me and Derek. Thanks for doing that.

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Thank you guys for hopping on and helping us, man. We can't do it without you guys actually

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coming on. Like there would have been no point to doing it without like all you guys confirming.

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Like it's amazing that how quickly this all came down because of, you know, everyone coming

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together and actually, you know, wanting to support this cause. Like, really like it's

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eye opening how incredible like this community is when you, you know, ask for help, you get

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helped. So I really, really, really appreciate you guys.

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Yeah, it's funny. It's like a competition, but like a competition to like help. It's

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like, oh, how can I get there and help this person get, you know, this set up or whatever?

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That's exactly what it is.

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Very much aligns with the East Coast and Oscar in general, right? Like, you know, you have

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clients like Amethyst and Domus and Snort and Iris and Satellite and Webster. You have

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all these different clients and whatever. I guess, you know, like the client creators

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obviously want like the lion share attention on their client if they could possibly get

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it right. But like when you, when you're thinking about it from like an Oscar verse or a user

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verse perspective, where like every good client that is bringing users from over from Twitter

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or from Reddit or from Facebook into the NOS or ecosystem only stands to benefit every client

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developer, right? Because then you know, if you're a client developer, you don't have

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to hustle and try to get users to come join your platform. They're already there. They

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just have to all they have to do is just add their their NIP 7, right? And then they're

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on. And so yeah, it's kind of kind of quasi competition, but it's also like a competition

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that ends up helping everybody out. And I think that's kind of a nice virtue, not only

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not Bitcoin too.

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Yeah, 100%. And yeah, we're over, you know, we're still figuring out the Bitcoin lobby

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stuff. And but we got at least the channel like distribution kind of figured out. And

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it's a plug and play at this point. But you know, if anyone's interested developers, people

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building on NOS or, you know, we're just reach out, we're looking for people to, you know,

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talk to and help grow just their channel or their projects and different things and, you

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know, just contribute to the protocol in ways that we can, which is talking to people, having

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conversations going in depth and things like that. So

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went down inside of the nest? Because I remember you telling me that there was actually a NIP

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that got written up inside of the Bitcoin lobby.

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Yeah, we were, it was our first recorded episode. And it's just kind of a jam session as usual.

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And but we had a lot of very smart people in there. And just playing around with the

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idea of, you know, Nostra Nests and what it can be and that type of thing. And I think

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it was Derek that really led the conversation to, you know, because we're talking about

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it, it's really a blank slate. And, you know, if you're going to build this, build it right.

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And so the idea was, you know, chewed around on, you know, the audio applications and how

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you would do it. And essentially through conversation, it got hashed out of a new NIP called a

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what was it called? I forget right now. Something action EAP, I think. But anyway, but yeah,

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it was just kind of like an incredible moment. Just the people through conversation and just

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an action to develop a new NIP. And it was pretty cool.

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right? And they can kind of build it out if they have a direction. But, you know, getting

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the direction in the first place comes with an idea. And really anybody, whether they're

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technical or super savvy or not, can have an idea. And it's one of those things if we

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kind of all get together and collaborate and we kind of discuss and brainstorm and maybe

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someone has like a light bulb moment in the middle of that and it's like, you know, gives

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the person who can execute the code a direction to go in. And that's kind of like what I think

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kind of went down that night, which was awesome.

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Yeah, I think it's, you know, just kind of a call it like an idea incubator. You know,

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just come in here and just throw an idea, let it bounce off a few years and eventually

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something constructive is going to come out of it. And I think you get that more through

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conversation than like text reading back and forth. It's hard to sort of frame context

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often through that it gets lost. And it's just more of a natural connection, you know,

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voice is going to be an important thing. I think voice and AI is going to be really big

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too. And so some of those things, it's something I think we've been missing. I mean, there

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has been like the clubhouse, you know, and the Twitter spaces model. But this is different

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in the fact that number one, we're kind of starting out in these constructives. I mean,

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so everyone who's kind of doing it is doing it for like a benefit of other people. And

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they're doing it essentially for free, you know, we're all donating our time to kind

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of do it. But it's also fun. You know, I think we all kind of enjoy doing it. And, you know,

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once you integrate like the incentive structure where there's apps that are integrated, and,

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you know, chat functionality and stuff like that, it's going to really make YouTube and

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rumble and all these platforms that really skim, you know, 50% off the top, it's going

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to make them look like archaic, you know, like an archaic sort of mafia that's stealing

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most of the money for the content that you produce. So that's why I'm like super bullish

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on it. And I know it's, and I think it's important to work right now, we're a small group of

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people, I think there's like, you know, 10,000 daily active users or something like that

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on roster, but it's the same people. And we're having small conversations, but we're kind

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of laying out the foundation for what what could be of this protocol. And I think, you

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know, I feel it in my bones that it's something special and something important. And, you

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know, I think just running, you know, running towards it and just keep keep going, put the

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work in, you know, do the reps. We're learning and growing with each conversation. So it's

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not like there's not value there. So that's why I love it. And, you know, putting a lot

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of time and effort into it, because I see it as a very important protocol and platform,

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like in the next for for the future. Well, just to add a little bit to that as well,

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like, even though we only have 10,000 daily users, this is an opportunity, like this is

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an opportunity if you have an idea for an Oscar, like, I mean, maybe you don't have

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the technical ability to execute for you. Right now, you actually have the ears of people

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that can do this for you know, we can kind of get together. And so it's like being able

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to, you know, have your voice or your, you know, your signal not lost and drowned out

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in the noise because the platform is just so huge. This is a really big opportunity.

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And I think so people should take advantage of you have ideas or whatever, try to try

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to get involved in conversations, either on the Ness or on just, you know, some of the

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Oscar clients, and try to maybe get in the ear of the devs or try to, you know, say your

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piece and maybe at some point, you can look back 10 years from now and be like, Hey, I

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came up with that idea or I came up with that idea, you know, you might not have been able

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to write the code to it. But your idea sparked a change in the ecosystem. And maybe you brought

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along something that you know, evolved into something beautiful.

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I'm currently outside just taking a little break. I had told Tano to jump in for me.

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Tano, can you please jump in?

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Yeah, absolutely. No, like, for myself, when I first joined the Ness, I was really surprised

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that I think it was like a month ago, really, and a bit more when I first joined and I didn't

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see many people on which could mean like really, really surprised because everybody loves tinkering

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and playing around with stuff here so much and conversing with each other. So I was just

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really, I felt like I was like so early that nobody is really using it yet. And like seeing

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everybody here and discussing everything and like this, like converting over to the conversations

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and and Nostr itself. It's just amazing to see how how much faster everything started

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to move since then.

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Yeah, you know, if you build it, they will come right. So it's gonna take people that

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are early to things like you guys and your show and our show and you know, any other

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person that's being in the next active in the Nostr space to just put in the time and

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effort and maybe you're not getting the immediate returns, you know, maybe your nest has only

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got 10 users or whatever. But you know, you just got to stay persistent. And I think over

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time, you know, more and more people are going to take note, they're going to you're going

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to find their audience that they want to be a part of and then you're just find your audience

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grows result.

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to Adam Carolla on Loveline way back in the day and he's kind of like the the guy that's

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really he was one of the original like first podcasters and I've been listening to him

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for 15 years. And, you know, his just at least his idea like his ideology and around work

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and effort and things like that. And what he's done has been kind of inspiring because it's

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really a proof of work concept. And I think Joe Rogan was much the same way. You know,

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just kind of hang out and just do it. Just put in the effort. Just go do it. And like

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I said, you're learning through the repetition and through the commerce, you know, through

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these conversations and just go do it and just try to be consistent. And so that's why

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we've been doing like, you know, the afternoons at 2pm. And then, you know, the evening shows.

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I mean, it's been what two months or something like that or month and a half or, you know,

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but it feels like, you know, we're like a year in and Nostra time is a different different

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time than regular time.

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get comfortable in our own skin. Like I've never done this before. And I thought it was

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like, oh cool, like Seth offered to, you know, have me help him out with the Bitcoin lobby.

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It's like, OK, I've never done a podcast before. This is cool. Let's do it.

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Yeah, things that just, you know, we want to build a website, never build a website

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before. I'll build a website, you know, it's like I like going down these little journeys

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and adventures and trying to do things that I've never done before. It's kind of see,

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go through the process and see how it's done.

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Yeah, I mean, isn't that the case, though? It's just like, I think curiosity brings most

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people in here and there there's like a never ending trail of breadcrumbs. It's like, oh,

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I'm going to go do this, you know, and, you know, having these conversations and just

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being on Nostra has mentioned about like, this is my son, my youngest son likes to,

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he's writing books like every day. He gets like pay, he just takes paper and writes these

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books and these stories and stuff. I'm like, you got to do one on Bitcoin. And I've just

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been kind of like helping him along and, you know, going through the process and, you know,

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maybe we'll try to put that together and somebody be interested in that. And so like, there's

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just these, you know, rabbit holes that just keep opening up and, and, and I'm a naturally

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curious person, as I'm sure most people here are. And, you know, it's just fun to kind

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of learn, like he's like he said, never done this before. You know, we started out, it

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was like the first one we recorded, you know, I think I was at camp that weekend, we're

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trying to like, theme was working on like the YouTube side and doing like editing and

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stuff like that. And I'm kind of setting up the channels and like through the podcast

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side and stuff. So we're just kind of like, figuring it out as we go along. But you know,

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doing it openly and with you melody and, and just putting the putting the work in. So and

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so it's been fun. It's been a learning experience and a lot of fun doing it. So

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I couldn't agree more. Good morning. Derek, good morning. How are you? How are you feeling?

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We missed you. Oh my god. How many beers did you actually go through yesterday? Too many

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to count. Oh man. It sounds like it sounds like he's too hungover. I know is I haven't

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drank that much in a while and my head hurts. That was fun. It was a fun. It was a good time

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though. Like I had a lot of fun. I have said I missed it. I went to a concert last night

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and so I didn't get home till about 1130 at night and I was wiped and had to go to bed.

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Unfortunate but I had some other prior commitments. That's all right, brother. I had I had some

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fun for you. Sounds like it man. Get some coffee in you. I might have to do that. Like

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I literally just been laying in bed like feeling like shit for the I think I can speak for

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all of us here and we say we appreciate your dedication to be up being up this early and

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hungover and yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm up. I'm still in bed. Oh shit. How's

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everything going though? Like the house, the house, the everybody's nest going still going

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well. A lot of people in here. I see it looks great. Yeah, I think it's a good turnout.

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I was on for Jack Shikani earlier. He that was good conversation. He's a good kid. Yeah.

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And yeah, I mean, these guys sleepy got some food in them early. Oh dude, food.

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I hear the greasy stuff helps you. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. That's just why

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I hear urban legend. I may or may not have had to do this. It's true. It's true. I had

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a greasy, super greasy omelet and holy fuck, do I feel much better. There you go. Yeah.

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It's amazing, man. And I forgot who's who said something about I don't know if it was

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something about like the Navy SEALs like in training or something like and then just pushing

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through like in their minds. Like I don't know what it was, but like I keep on thinking

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about that. I'm just like, yeah, it's definitely all in my mind right now. Like fuck this shit.

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Like this physical body angle. You know, like I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking, but

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I'm persevering right now. Can I ask what you two guys are planning for the rest of

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your weekend after getting done with this? 48 hours of streaming. You're going to tackle

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that this weekend too? I was planning on doing that tomorrow to be honest. Must be nice to

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be young, man. I'm jealous. I wish I was back in my twenties again. If I was to do this

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24 hour nest like this, I'd probably be out of commission for the next three days. I was

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with ER two days ago. I was just recovering. Meanwhile, I'm actually stress testing my

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body yet again. You could do that when you're young. I did a lot of a lot of dumb shit.

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Not saying this is dumb shit, but certainly had a couple nights. I remember the one night

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I was flying to the Dominican Republic and stayed up like way late and had like an hour

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sleep. Of course there were some booze involved and fell slept in Philadelphia airport for

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like 15 minutes and on a flight over the Dominican. Yeah, there was no stop until whatever because

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it went on until like two in the morning. So yeah, that was that was my closest to 24

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hour marathon that I can recall. I think right now, I don't know, both of us would sleep

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you have already been awake for 24 hours. I think that's for sure. Yeah, it's been more

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than 24 hours for me to be honest. I'm old shit. I'm awake from this same time. Like

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I woke up and well, no earlier than this. I woke up at 9am Friday yesterday. Yeah, I

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think so. Something like that, right? Dude, you're going to have the best night's sleep

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of your life. I mean, that's days sleep. Yeah. You're going into a coma for a little bit.

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Days plural. Oh, I know you guys were talking about recording each of these hours and the

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kind of the nerve wracking experience like I totally appeal to you on that. And then,

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you know, we do these like five hour marathon recording sessions. It's like I might be running

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into audio problems where I can't hear somebody or I might not be able to be heard. But it's

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like you have this urge to like click the leave button. But if you click the leave button,

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then you're going to ruin or stop your recording. And so I definitely feel your stress when

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it comes to trying to capture these events because you don't want to lose any of the

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magic, right? Yeah, that's wild. But hey, things are just getting better. You know,

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that's the appreciate you guys bringing the attention to that. And Derek kind of went

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over an overview of the plans for Nests. And I think the future is bright. There's a lot

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of a lot of good things. So, you know, just get hit in your stride at the right time.

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But is this going to be like a regular thing for you guys? Are you going to try to do like

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the 24 hour marathon, you know, once a month or something? Yo, we talked about that. But

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honestly, I'm not even going to joke with you right now. I'm not doing that. This is

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the first and last time we're doing this. So you're thinking about doubling it? To know.

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To know. To know. Like, bro, honestly, like, I'll play the game, but I'm not going to,

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you know, like when it comes down to it, I don't know, man. I don't know. I'll actually

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consider it so next time. Because like, I'll do 12. I'll do 12 all day every day. Like

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if you guys want me to do it, we've included everything. But like right now, the way we

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scheduled it, we have like, like the break we have is when we like sleep in, ends the

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recording, moves the previous speaker down to the audience, like invites the next one

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to the stage. Like the 10 seconds in the middle is the pause for us. Like this is efficient

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planning, right? Oh my God. People kept on asking me, yo, you guys are going to have

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breaks, right? Like it's not, it's not a consistent thing, right? And it reminded me of that meme.

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Like the Anakin Skywalker and I was just like, and they're like, right? Right? And I'm just

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like, oh, fuck, nah. No, we going hard. We going hard. We going home. Fuck, man. It's

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incredible. Like how your body, I'm super high right now and I don't know what the fuck

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I'm high on, but it feels good. I hope I don't crash. I really hope I don't crash in the

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next couple of hours. Yeah. As a non-native speaker, it's really, really incredibly difficult

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for me to zone in on like what you all are actually speaking about. Like my mind zoned

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out so fast. I have to like pay like five times the attention to actually zone in and

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understand any hope that you're saying. Oh dude, even when we go on these like five,

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six hour marathon sessions, by the end of it, like, especially if there's like so much

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of signal that's kind of packed in early, like, and I'm just kind of my brain's absorbing

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it all kind of by like the hour four or five, six, like my brain just kind of like, and

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then I try to, I have like this thought in my head, you know, and then I try to get the

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thought out and it just comes out totally incoherent. And it's like, Oh my God, I probably

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made a video to myself saying that I was trying to get a point across, but it was like only

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because like my brain's starting to get wiped from like all the intense signal we're receiving

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during the early parts of the show. And so I can only imagine after, you know, if that's

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happened to me at hours four or five or six, that you guys being an hour, I don't know,

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what hour are you guys on right now? Like 16, 17, 16? I can only imagine where your

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head's at. I probably, you know, you probably need to pump me with an ID because I probably

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be in a coma right now.

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I think I was talking to Tony actually, like I was, I think I was like finishing one thought

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,360
and like trying to end up at the second thought and like I lost the second thought and I,

390
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:18,960
I understood that I was like, I had said like 30, 40, like they had no meaning the words

391
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:26,320
and I was just chasing a thought. Luckily I actually found it and I got to finish my

392
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,600
sentence with actual question. But I don't know.

393
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,160
Isn't that great when you're in the middle of making this big rant or whatever that you've

394
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,040
completely lost your train of thought, but then all of a sudden like it clicks right

395
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,280
back in. You're like, yes, I thought of it instead of just sitting there stumbling. Oh

396
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:48,280
dude, I totally get there too myself. What was my overall point again? I don't know.

397
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,080
Oh yeah, there it is.

398
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Yeah. You start like, uh, just trying to find words to keep the thought alive and you're

399
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:02,000
like, oh, wait a minute. Yeah. And hope for that bridge to connect it back together. Yeah.

400
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:09,360
Totally relate. So you guys are doing amazing work here and uh, appreciate you for, for

401
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:16,800
doing that. So I was the, I mean you guys like, cause not only the 24 hours you did

402
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,240
a lot of planning. I mean, and that you're reaching out to a lot of people and you know,

403
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:27,240
there's things that probably get mishaps that happen and things like that. So like how's

404
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:28,680
that been for you?

405
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:37,520
Oh, we definitely had some fuck ups. Um, so our sheets, right? My boy to now knows how

406
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,840
to use sheets, right? And he knows how to use sheets, but way too well, right? So he

407
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,600
had all these thoughts about like how things should be organized and yeah, it ended up

408
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,360
being more disorganized than organized. Um, in a way like it was organized, but like for

409
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,800
my mind it was super disorganized cause I'm over here like also like on D abs and doing

410
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,480
all these things. And my mind is like elsewhere, like what the, like, you know, trying to help

411
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,760
people like, you know, check their mics and cause I did a lot of that with some of the

412
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,320
guests. And you know, it was the first time on, on NOS on Nostra Ness. So we did fuck

413
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:22,760
up on one time slot where we accidentally gave it away thinking that it hadn't been,

414
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,440
that it hadn't been like a claimed, like somebody didn't have it. And when in reality they did

415
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:36,240
have it. So we had given the 3pm Eastern Saturday slot to the Nostra, Nostra report. And by

416
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:45,720
mistake we also double booked it with Jimmy. So that was a fuck up, a big fuck up. But

417
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:51,320
I reached out to Jimmy and I was like, Jimmy, I apologize, man. And if you're down, you're

418
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,760
down, you're more than welcome to hang out with the Nostra Ness on our, I mean with the

419
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Nostra report on our, on our nest. And he seems to like also like, you know, be doing

420
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,680
a lot of things because he's currently doing, I forgot what he's doing, but it's like an

421
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,680
event, I believe.

422
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:18,400
Oh yeah. He's got an interesting story and he's, he's a good dude. And he's been, I only

423
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,120
really know him from the nest and stuff like that, but had some good conversation with

424
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:28,080
him. Yeah. He's doing a lot for the Bitcoin space. I know I think he's down in Mexico,

425
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,480
right? Yeah. He could have really filled the whole hour by himself. Yeah, he's a radio

426
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,880
guy too. Yeah. Yeah. Easily, easily filled the whole hour and keep like kept you entertained

427
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:48,040
the whole time. He, he's incredible. He's incredible. His story is incredible. I've

428
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,080
had the pleasure of speaking to him multiple times. Thanks to Ness and thanks to Island

429
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:58,440
bringing him on. But yeah, like we fucked up on that. But yeah, he's, he's going to

430
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,440
try to make it around the same time. So you might see the Nostra Ness and Jimmy together.

431
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:09,000
Oh, nice. Yeah. I mean, shit happens, right? And that's, it's hard to plan out a 24 hour

432
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,160
slot and dealing with other people's schedule and trying to move things around. And yeah.

433
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:22,760
So in three days, we did that shit like in two to three days. Wow. The famous night.

434
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Go ahead, channel. Sorry. I was just about to say that like, I think like three days

435
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:34,320
in a row, I stayed awake for like through the night until like 8am just so we could

436
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,440
plan this out with sleepy. And yeah, like I think it was like three or four days of

437
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:46,000
like 10 hour nests. I think most of them were closed. Yeah. And the biggest problem was

438
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:54,000
then we opened it up. Yeah. I think the biggest problem really that I heard from sleepy regarding

439
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:00,960
the all the organizing was actually the DMS regarding. So you don't notice when you get

440
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:07,400
the DMS back, like a lot of them end up in requests or like you don't get any, I guess

441
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:13,560
any notifications like in the app or the client itself, like you get those push notifications.

442
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:20,560
But if you like, I think we had in the less like 40, 50 different kinds of panels that

443
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:28,360
we were in the end. So I don't know around 60, 70 people. So like, yeah, I was just constantly

444
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,800
pushed. We were constantly pushing out people like, like brainstorming, like, which should

445
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,480
we like invite on and and sleepy, sleepy always kept on DMing, got to carry the spreadsheets.

446
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,560
And yeah, we just like, we divided the work really, really well. And the biggest problem

447
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:49,840
was like just noticing that if people were writing back, it's so sudden. Yeah. So many

448
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,040
people, I was gonna say that so many people hit us back after the fact that we had already

449
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,560
filled it makes me feel so bad because I still get I'm still getting DMed till right now.

450
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,560
Yeah, I think that's just a golden excuse to be able to extend this another 24 hours.

451
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:12,720
What do you guys say? 48? 48? Let's go. Let's go. I got the DM from him. So there will be

452
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:21,560
no excellent. It's like the old Mike Tyson famous saying everyone has a plan until they

453
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,800
get punched in the mouth. This is what you do after you get punched.

454
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:32,920
Ain't that the truth? God damn it. That reminds me of like, that reminds me of like, kind

455
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,640
of how we work the Bitcoin lobby, the scheduled episodes on Thursdays. It's like several right

456
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,600
out between the 10 and 15 bullet points and on topics that we might want to touch on.

457
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,840
You know, and it's kind of one of those things like depending on how the conversation is

458
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,880
going, we might touch on 10 of them or we might touch on three of them. And so at that

459
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,160
point, it's like by the end of the show, I'm always asking like, how many of your bullet

460
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,240
points that we end up getting to? And it's usually like three. Yeah, it just flows.

461
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:04,320
It kind of like the controlled chaos of it all where it's kind of like, just let it flow.

462
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,440
Wherever it goes, it goes, you know, forget it. You know, if we don't get to something,

463
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,240
maybe we'll get to it next week. Maybe we won't. Whatever.

464
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:14,520
I've learned to, you know, because I'm taking notes throughout the week through like Nest

465
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,360
or you know, whatever's going on on Nostra or you know, Bitcoin news. And then I learned

466
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,440
especially with Nostra, it's like you're on Nostra time. So like all that stuff, like

467
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,960
we'll either talk about it or hash it out. You know, so like a week's news, it's like

468
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,720
old news by the time, you know, we do the recorded session. So whatever happened on

469
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:39,240
Tuesdays, like, you know, already done and gone. And so it's almost like you got to keep

470
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,400
refining and we're doing it.

471
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Yeah. You guys are still talking about Nip 94 and Nip 95. Man, that was so 72 hours ago,

472
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,320
man. Just get over it.

473
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Exactly. Right.

474
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,720
It wasn't easy. Not gonna lie. It's fucking insane. And coming into it, like the worst

475
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:11,120
things happened. Right. So Tano got sick a couple of days prior. My throat, like I've

476
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:18,000
been having like, I also caught like a little fucking flu and been fucked up. I had to like

477
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,440
eat a whole bunch of like honey in the middle of the like of the I think it was like the

478
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:28,960
six hours or something like that. Because I just my throat was fucked. So I had to drink

479
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,280
like a whole bunch of honey and then I made like some tea. I don't know. Whatever. Like

480
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,360
a whole bunch of hiccups, right? Like they show up the moment that you're doing something

481
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,360
like this.

482
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,800
Dude, you remember your first nest?

483
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,800
Yeah.

484
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Yeah. That was a full of hiccups, man. That was awesome. It was just so funny.

485
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,080
That was incredible.

486
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Look on the bright side. Neither of y'all sound anywhere near as bad as Derek right

487
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,160
now. So we got that going for you.

488
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,480
We do got that going for us, Derek. We do got that going for us, man. Come on. You gotta

489
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,480
admit it.

490
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,760
I think you passed out. Good for him.

491
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,920
He's like a head inside the toilet right now.

492
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,800
Oh, there he is. There he is. He's alive.

493
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,800
Yeah.

494
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,640
Oh man. Derek, thank God. You don't have you don't you don't have Fiat mining today, do

495
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,560
you? It's what day is it? Saturday, right? No, definitely not. You wouldn't have done

496
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,560
one.

497
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,560
I don't know what day it is anymore.

498
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,560
No, it's Saturday.

499
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,560
Is it Saturday?

500
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,560
It's Saturday. People are buying. It's you know, it's you know, Saturday is for the boys.

501
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Yeah.

502
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:41,480
I need to open a cold one. Should I? No, no, I shouldn't. I shouldn't. I shouldn't.

503
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,480
What time is this going to be until 7 p.m.?

504
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,080
7 p.m., Seth. Oh my God.

505
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:54,160
Oh, you guys do do fine. I think you get get your second win and it's going to be all good

506
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,160
from here on out.

507
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,160
I think we have.

508
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,160
You have to do the hard part.

509
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,440
Yeah. We have we have a very special guest coming up next. Pretty sure we're going to

510
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:09,960
be talking about some serious stuff. He's a serious man and he works harder than anybody

511
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:17,680
that I've seen on Nostra. And just from telling you that, I am sure he came to your mind because

512
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:26,400
if you've thought about it, he most likely has built it. The king of my class.

513
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:35,440
I'm looking forward to this with Pablo. Yeah, it's it's crazy how he just comes to your

514
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:41,760
mind when I hear when I just say, oh, machine. Yeah, there's there's nobody like him. No,

515
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,760
no second best.

516
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Well, good. The good news is you guys basically bound around during this last hour with us.

517
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,760
So if you haven't fallen asleep yet with me and Seth, then I think you're in pretty good

518
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,120
shape. I think you got a really good chance of making it to seven tonight.

519
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:05,560
Let's go. Let's go. That hyped me. I'm hyped. Now we got this. We really do got this. Some

520
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:11,680
way, somehow it's Tano. It's all mental. Your body doesn't know what's going on. Don't worry

521
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:17,600
about. Oh, let's go. Don't trust anybody. Amazing, man. Don't listen to your body. Don't

522
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,400
listen to your body, Tano. If it says it needs to rest, be like, not your little bitch right

523
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:28,480
now. At this point, I can't even feel my body that much. So it's not a problem. Perfect.

524
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:37,120
Perfect. All right. So I was a bugger. Oh, oh, it's a feature. Damn. All right. That's

525
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:43,320
the right mindset to go with this. Yeah, we didn't even get to do a live Q&A, but we do

526
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,360
have a guest up here that might just give you guys a question. Derek, would you like

527
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:57,040
to live Q&A real quick? He's thinking about it. Is it worth it? Is it worth it? Yes, it

528
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:05,120
is. Come on. Ask a question. Well, if he has the brain capacity, you can do a quick rehash

529
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:11,480
on the, you know, the roadmap for Nests. I think that'd be good. Oh, man. That's true.

530
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:19,160
We actually did. And there was so much to be said. Derek, there was a lot to be said

531
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:25,960
that wasn't said. Even was Semi Solo actually noted. We haven't talked about that. What

532
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:34,840
does that even mean for us? He said 24 hours and it'll be implemented. What? Zaps? Zaps.

533
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:41,520
That's awesome. That's awesome. That's what I mean. It's separating. It's a leapfrog. It's

534
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,480
separating from all the other clubhouses, Twitter spaces, because you can't zap there. Yeah.

535
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,280
I'm holding Semi to that 24 hour deadline, but I'm assuming that he's just going to come

536
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:59,080
up with like two or three masterbots instead. Yeah. So love me some Semi Solo. Like if,

537
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,680
if, if and when I ever meet him, I'm doing two things right away. One, I'm giving him

538
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,760
a big fucking hug. And two, I've been promising him for, you know, probably six months now,

539
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,120
I'm giving him the hardest fucking shoulder punch he's ever had in his life. Cause he

540
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,520
needs it. He needs the hug. He needs the love, but then he also needs to be punched because

541
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:28,480
he, he's, he's a cat. He literally a cat. He, he sees a lot of shinies and once he sees

542
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:36,120
that shiny, he can't unsee it. And he has to go work on the shiny and go play with the

543
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,880
shiny and, and then he'll come back to what he was working on unless he sees another fucking

544
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:52,360
shiny. So if my, if my dude Semi says 24 hours and zaps will be implemented, I love the guy.

545
00:49:52,360 --> 00:50:01,120
I'm going to give him a big hug and a punch. It's a love punch, but, um, he has been working

546
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:09,200
on it hard the past week. He has been more so than he has over the past month. So I wouldn't

547
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:16,280
hold my breath, but it, it, it is much sooner than soon. Like it, it really is because like

548
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,600
I said, the past week he's been working on it in his dev environment based on what he's

549
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:31,040
told me in the screenshots I've seen, it's coming along nicely. Um, the split functionality

550
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:37,920
is going to be working, but the weighted functionality isn't, and I've told him, we don't need the

551
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,840
weighted functionality yet. That's, that's advanced shit. That's, that's for nest 2.0,

552
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:48,480
right? Or 3.0 or something. We don't need that yet, but the splits is coming. So what

553
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:55,120
that is, is you'll be able to split your, your, your zap with everybody that's up on

554
00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:05,280
stage if you want to, or you could just individually, um, zap somebody, but then also you can zap

555
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:18,040
NostrNest too. So a percentage of the zap will go to Semi and I for hosting and building

556
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:24,880
NostrNest. So that's coming. That's a way for us to fund that nest and to keep funding

557
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:33,600
it to take a small percentage of a zap, basically like lightning prisms, kind of how those have

558
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:41,040
been discussed by Guy Swan and others. And, uh, similar to what kind of similar, I guess,

559
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:49,360
to what others have done out there. And we've, we've also discussed, you know, since time

560
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,880
began, we've, we've also discussed many other lightning features and I did go over the roadmap

561
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:01,440
last night, but for those that weren't there, I can discuss quickly a few other ones. Um,

562
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:09,400
one of the pain points that people have whenever they create a nest is to keep that browser

563
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,280
active. We all like to clear our cookies from time to time. We, you know, we, we, we do

564
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,560
that, we clear our browser cache. And then when you do, when your cookie goes bye bye,

565
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:26,640
so does your, your nest, uh, and Semi and I right now have to restore that for you.

566
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:33,160
And we want to make that, that much easier. And that's going to happen, um, two ways.

567
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:42,280
Once we have nip 07 sign in, NOSTER sign in, uh, through your, your keys, through your

568
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:49,960
extension that'll fix part of that. The other method for not, cause not everybody has that.

569
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,520
Not everybody wants to use that or can use that depending on your device. So we still

570
00:52:54,520 --> 00:53:02,080
need to have a way for people to restore their session if they nuclear cookies. So we're

571
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,920
still going to have another solution for those people. And that's going to be through like

572
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:14,080
seed words through pass phrases. So you'll be able to enter these into nests and it'll

573
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:20,960
verify based on the words you enter that you say who you are and you'll be able to restore

574
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:26,680
your, your session. That's coming soon. That's not going to be in the next, you know, tomorrow

575
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,720
or the next couple of days. That's a, that's a future thing. Um, once logins working, then

576
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:38,760
we'll get the account restoration working. And then the, the, the final thing we've been

577
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,240
talking about for awhile and people really, really want it. They want text chat built

578
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:49,880
into this and we want every nest to have that. And Semi and I were just discussing yesterday

579
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:59,800
that maybe we should seek some outside help for that. And our man Pablo, we talked to,

580
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,800
I mentioned to him briefly and Pablo said that he was interested in it. So we need to

581
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,040
discuss that more with him. Uh, looking forward to having his potential help on getting us

582
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,040
to bring all these features out that everybody wants.

583
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,160
Hey, we're, we're eating into Pablo time. I don't want to eat into Pablo time. So I

584
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just want to say thanks a lot for having us on this past hour. Uh, you guys, once the,

585
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the nest gets done here, make sure to check out, we got a new podcast with Stuart Bowman,

586
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the creator of satellite client, which is an incredible client, incredible guy. So just

587
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head over to our YouTube channel, the Bitcoin lobby YouTube channel. So thanks for having

588
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us on and thanks for not falling asleep. Appreciate it guys. And what's up Pablo? We're looking

589
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forward to listening to your, your hour.

590
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Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate everything you guys are doing and appreciate you.

591
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Yeah, absolutely.

592
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All right.

593
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Thanks guys.

594
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Have a wonderful day, man.

595
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You too.

596
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I'll be hanging out brother.

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Let's go.