up and talk on Nest to be able to interact with the people that are on stage via questions
and random convo. So I think it'll, you know, we're going to definitely need that at some
point probably integrated into the Nest. But for now, I guess, you know, the Nostra chat
that was pretty, pretty nice alternative if people want to kind of communicate via text.
Yeah, actually show me the profiles. Oh, on the chat. Yeah. Yeah. There's still one that
I can't see, but it's actually pretty smooth. I like it. I really do like it. It was super
useful today. Super, super useful. Yeah. Well, like these are all new tools and everyone's
kind of getting used to it and people are getting more comfortable with the Nest. You
guys have, how was the overnight? Is there a lot of people hanging out? I think we peaked
during the Walcott, Saitama and Royale one, right? I think that was like 65 or 70 people
all here together. Oh, nice. Holy shit. Yeah. So growing more and more. Holy fuck. I hadn't
even looked. I'm scared to look sometimes. Like I really don't even want to know. I don't
want to fucking look down there. Yeah. Sometimes you're like flowing and just like trying to
keep up with all these things. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's beautiful when you don't,
when you don't, you don't focus on them and you just like flow and you say whatever the
fuck comes to your head and just say it. You don't care. Well, that's what people want.
You know, people want to have organic conversations. You know, the beautiful thing about Noster
in general and, you know, by proxy, the Noster Nest, it's, you know, community and connection
and building. And I think we've got those things going for it.
Unfiltered, uncensored, that's the Noster way, isn't it?
Yeah, sir. Ain't that the truth? Goddamn. I want to say, so I'm pretty sure everybody
in the audience knows you, knows you guys, but in case they don't, a little bit of background
on each of you, if you like, your, you know, your Bitcoin story, your Noster story, what
that you hear, whatever you'd like to share. Good, Ben, you can go first.
Well, I've been, I've been in Bitcoin now for five, six years, I think, probably that
over on the 2017, I believe it's kind of when I jumped in. So I've been pretty much a listener
in the Bitcoin space for a long time, just learning and keeping my ears open and trying
to just absorb as much information as I can because, you know, Bitcoin is an incredibly
complex topic. And so I didn't really want to get ahead of over my skis. And so kind
of when Jack made the announcement mid December, so I'm kind of the Noster push, I jumped over
here and was kind of, you know, got kind of early to the ecosystem on Noster. And I kind
of just felt like it was an opportunity to kind of, you know, get my voice out here and
kind of share my thoughts and kind of follow along with this growing ecosystem. And then
obviously related along with Bitcoin, because I believe these two networks are extremely
adjacent, of course. And so basically, one day I jumped on to Seth's Bitcoin lobby when
he started it, we started chatting and I kind of just kept on joining on to his lobbies.
And we just kind of kept forming a bond together. And at some point, we just said, hey, we're
both interested in, you know, this open source nesting, we like to call it, or, you know,
the unfiltered raw conversation that really doesn't have a direction, we kind of just
steer it in whichever way it ends up blowing. And so we kind of got together and then we
we put together some tools for like podcasting and those kinds of social tools. And so now
we kind of got to a point now where the Bitcoin lobby is around 1 p 2pm Eastern time on a
lot of weekend weekdays. And then we have a scheduled show that we promote on Thursday
at 7pm Eastern time. So yeah, that's my story. I like music too. So I think Derek Ross said
yesterday kind of highlighted me on his little the grow Noster campaign. And I showed off
my vinyl collection. So people like music. I can also talk about that too. That's just
Bitcoin and Noster.
Yeah, dude, that's deep. You got a lot of vinyl. Looks sweet, man. Yeah, it's unhealthy. It's
not my other unhealthy obsession.
Yeah, I guess. So my Bitcoin story, you know, kind of started the pandemic. I had a friend
that was just kind of sort of, you know, throwing the bait out there and, you know, Bitcoin,
Bitcoin, I was kind of into the macro side of things. I was reading that, you know, Ray
D'Alio and stuff like that. And then when the pandemic happened, I was like, oh, that's
kind of a, you know, something's going to happen. So I just dove in. I think I did the
Bitcoin standard first and, you know, down the rabbit hole you go. And, you know, just
kept going down that journey. And I've been studying a lesson on all the podcasts and
engaging on Twitter. And then February, probably, is when I learned about Noster. And I came
over here and just started engaging and, you know, building community, just talking to
people and just seeing what people were doing. I mean, it was a different way of communicating
through social media. You know, usually I like to frame it like Twitter's like destructive.
They're talking about war and there's fights and all that crap all the time. And over here
is all constructive. Everyone's building building relationships and, you know, building out
apps and so, yeah, just kind of had been doing a couple of the general chats with Derek over
there, you know, when he was hosting them. And then just open up like the Bitcoin lobby
and just just came in, just started posting out the link and see if anyone would come
in. And then people started coming in and we started having good conversations. And
I think, you know, one of our first ones in these were like unrecorded were like, you
know, six hours or something like that. You know, and that was just sort of a natural
conversation. We're just hanging out and next thing you know, it's like two in the morning
or whatever. And so it was a lot of fun. And, you know, people were sending messages like
how much fun it was and stuff. And so just kept sharing and then, you know, met you guys
and, you know, and through some of these channels and had conversations there and, you know,
just started forming these relationships and just, you know, proof of work, just kind of
putting the time in and but it's it's really not that much work because you're just having
conversation with people and it's kind of fun. And so yeah, just keep doing that. And
we've had some some great conversations in the Bitcoin lobby and all these nests. And
I just put up our podcast last week with Stuart Bowman, which was an incredible conversation.
So I encourage you to listen to it. We really kind of dove into his client satellite Earth
and learned a lot about that. And then, you know, he was went into great detail about,
you know, building community and an ecosystem and drive, you know, setting up the incentives
and his client really is kind of set up well for, you know, potentially, you know, building
out those communities and stuff like that. So it was very interesting. I encourage you
to kind of like like a rented alternative. Stewart's an absolutely fascinating individual.
If you guys have chatted with him before, he seems more more than open to kind of come
on and talk on these messes. Well, so I highly recommend trying to get his ear because, man,
we have some great conversation out there. I actually want to check out his client. I
haven't tried it yet. It was satellite Earth. Yeah, it's still kind of in beta. He's going
to be pushing a big update here. He was saying that he might get around to doing yesterday,
but it didn't happen. So maybe sometime over the weekend, it's going to get pushed out.
So it should be a lot more functionality to it once that happens. But he was kind of going
over his roadmap and everything and how he kind of sees kind of sees satellite Earth
progressing. And it just seems like it's going to be a really like it's going to be
like Reddit on steroids with a lot more incentives for like moderation and those kinds of things
where moderators can actually get some of the fees and zaps or whatever versus just
the platform itself, Reddit taking all the profits. And so I think when it's done and
it's completed and it's kind of ready to go, it'll have the incentives there for people
to drive over from Reddit over to satellite Earth.
Did he buy any chance to explain what the first epoch thing meant? Is that like the
current development of it?
Yeah, it's really cool, actually. You can go ahead and say if you want to take that.
Yeah, I mean, he talked about how it kind of timed to the lunar phase and essentially
it's a means of backing up the data. So if like basically a relay would get nuked, there
would be an option to restore it.
Yeah, he's going to do with torrenting. And so every, I think, 29 days or whatever the
moon's epoch is, if you kind of go on to that relay or whatever, you'll be able to download
a torrent and be able to save all the events during that time period. And so that it kind
of just helps ensure that, you know, because a lot of times, you know, relays can delete
and wipe some of your data. And then at that point, you know, you might not have your event
data. So just be an alternative or an option for people to keep the stuff they want to
talk about preserved forever.
That's really interesting. The UI UX is pretty interesting as well. Like in terms of the
profile view is what I like. It's interesting. I hadn't seen something like this before.
Yeah. Like if you are you on it now?
Yeah, I'm currently on Jack's profile.
Yeah. If you like click on the on the left, the one thing that offers it, like it can
kind of zoom in and out of the like the thread, like the comment conversation. And that's
kind of unique to that client to kind of gives it like a depth of the whole conversation.
I really like you know what I really, really like about this, how you hover above a name
of a user, like in this case being a Jack reposted plebster and you hover above it and
it brings you up this this window, like small little window, giving you the profile of the
user like a small window like this is fire. You don't have to go ahead and click inside
the profile. You can see the everything like the bio and a lot of things. The bio, the
NIP five and the picture. Yeah, that's enough. That's really good.
Yeah, it's pretty dope.
It's like he was he was also talking about adding like video hosting services to do it
as well. So you guys know, we just posted a live. So if you guys are interested, you
know, as soon as sleeping panel done their 24 hours or whatever, check it out. We'll
have it on our podcast channel.
Yeah, we're all the podcasts are found. But yeah, man, it's we're kind of just figuring
all this stuff out. We call it open source nesting, which takes on a, you know, a broad
meaning because, you know, we're trying to fail out loud and have the conversations and
help other people get their stuff going, you know, encourage people. I know our friend
Raven's Reach has a hugster coming up here at one I think today, which is his first time
doing that. But, you know, the growing the whole Nest platform, you know, getting the
varieties and different types of conversations going, I think is important to
I've been seeing a shit ton of new Nests coming up. And that's that's so fire to me. Like,
that's exactly what I want to see. I just want to see a whole bunch of like diverse
Nests coming up and being able to like just hop on and off from Nests and seeing like
five or 10 completely unique Nests and being able to like, you know, have options at that
point in time.
Yeah, it wouldn't even necessarily be competing to write like you just need something where
if someone just wants to go to Nostrnest.com that they have like a selection of things
that you know, maybe it's a music thing or something like that. Or maybe it's I talk
about, you know, science or something like that or religion even or, you know, Nostr
or Bitcoin related or, you know, anything like I think, you know, it'd just be nice
to be able to come on here 24 seven and just have kind of like a global chat community
of people that have channels open where users can kind of pick and choose what they want
to feel like talking about because I mean, you know, all of us have our different interests
and hobbies, right? So, you know, one day I might want to talk about Bitcoin heavy and
I might be, you know, Bitcoin or Nostr or whatever, but maybe someday I just want to
talk about music with somebody. Maybe, you know, there's a music channel out there and
I can just hop on there and hang out for a little bit. So just having choices and options,
I think is just going to be the most important thing. That's why it's great what you guys
are doing here with your 24 hour marathon, trying to raise awareness and donation money
to send me and Derek. Thanks for doing that.
Thank you guys for hopping on and helping us, man. We can't do it without you guys actually
coming on. Like there would have been no point to doing it without like all you guys confirming.
Like it's amazing that how quickly this all came down because of, you know, everyone coming
together and actually, you know, wanting to support this cause. Like, really like it's
eye opening how incredible like this community is when you, you know, ask for help, you get
helped. So I really, really, really appreciate you guys.
Yeah, it's funny. It's like a competition, but like a competition to like help. It's
like, oh, how can I get there and help this person get, you know, this set up or whatever?
That's exactly what it is.
Very much aligns with the East Coast and Oscar in general, right? Like, you know, you have
clients like Amethyst and Domus and Snort and Iris and Satellite and Webster. You have
all these different clients and whatever. I guess, you know, like the client creators
obviously want like the lion share attention on their client if they could possibly get
it right. But like when you, when you're thinking about it from like an Oscar verse or a user
verse perspective, where like every good client that is bringing users from over from Twitter
or from Reddit or from Facebook into the NOS or ecosystem only stands to benefit every client
developer, right? Because then you know, if you're a client developer, you don't have
to hustle and try to get users to come join your platform. They're already there. They
just have to all they have to do is just add their their NIP 7, right? And then they're
on. And so yeah, it's kind of kind of quasi competition, but it's also like a competition
that ends up helping everybody out. And I think that's kind of a nice virtue, not only
not Bitcoin too.
Yeah, 100%. And yeah, we're over, you know, we're still figuring out the Bitcoin lobby
stuff. And but we got at least the channel like distribution kind of figured out. And
it's a plug and play at this point. But you know, if anyone's interested developers, people
building on NOS or, you know, we're just reach out, we're looking for people to, you know,
talk to and help grow just their channel or their projects and different things and, you
know, just contribute to the protocol in ways that we can, which is talking to people, having
conversations going in depth and things like that. So
By any chance, do you maybe want to tell a little bit of that story about how that NIP
went down inside of the nest? Because I remember you telling me that there was actually a NIP
that got written up inside of the Bitcoin lobby.
Yeah, we were, it was our first recorded episode. And it's just kind of a jam session as usual.
And but we had a lot of very smart people in there. And just playing around with the
idea of, you know, Nostra Nests and what it can be and that type of thing. And I think
it was Derek that really led the conversation to, you know, because we're talking about
it, it's really a blank slate. And, you know, if you're going to build this, build it right.
And so the idea was, you know, chewed around on, you know, the audio applications and how
you would do it. And essentially through conversation, it got hashed out of a new NIP called a
what was it called? I forget right now. Something action EAP, I think. But anyway, but yeah,
it was just kind of like an incredible moment. Just the people through conversation and just
sort of batten this idea back and forth out came, you know, at least the framework for
an action to develop a new NIP. And it was pretty cool.
That's kind of the thing, right? It's like, you know, a developer can execute the code,
right? And they can kind of build it out if they have a direction. But, you know, getting
the direction in the first place comes with an idea. And really anybody, whether they're
technical or super savvy or not, can have an idea. And it's one of those things if we
kind of all get together and collaborate and we kind of discuss and brainstorm and maybe
someone has like a light bulb moment in the middle of that and it's like, you know, gives
the person who can execute the code a direction to go in. And that's kind of like what I think
kind of went down that night, which was awesome.
Yeah, I think it's, you know, just kind of a call it like an idea incubator. You know,
just come in here and just throw an idea, let it bounce off a few years and eventually
something constructive is going to come out of it. And I think you get that more through
conversation than like text reading back and forth. It's hard to sort of frame context
often through that it gets lost. And it's just more of a natural connection, you know,
voice is going to be an important thing. I think voice and AI is going to be really big
too. And so some of those things, it's something I think we've been missing. I mean, there
has been like the clubhouse, you know, and the Twitter spaces model. But this is different
in the fact that number one, we're kind of starting out in these constructives. I mean,
so everyone who's kind of doing it is doing it for like a benefit of other people. And
they're doing it essentially for free, you know, we're all donating our time to kind
of do it. But it's also fun. You know, I think we all kind of enjoy doing it. And, you know,
once you integrate like the incentive structure where there's apps that are integrated, and,
you know, chat functionality and stuff like that, it's going to really make YouTube and
rumble and all these platforms that really skim, you know, 50% off the top, it's going
to make them look like archaic, you know, like an archaic sort of mafia that's stealing
most of the money for the content that you produce. So that's why I'm like super bullish
on it. And I know it's, and I think it's important to work right now, we're a small group of
people, I think there's like, you know, 10,000 daily active users or something like that
on roster, but it's the same people. And we're having small conversations, but we're kind
of laying out the foundation for what what could be of this protocol. And I think, you
know, I feel it in my bones that it's something special and something important. And, you
know, I think just running, you know, running towards it and just keep keep going, put the
work in, you know, do the reps. We're learning and growing with each conversation. So it's
not like there's not value there. So that's why I love it. And, you know, putting a lot
of time and effort into it, because I see it as a very important protocol and platform,
like in the next for for the future. Well, just to add a little bit to that as well,
like, even though we only have 10,000 daily users, this is an opportunity, like this is
an opportunity if you have an idea for an Oscar, like, I mean, maybe you don't have
the technical ability to execute for you. Right now, you actually have the ears of people
that can do this for you know, we can kind of get together. And so it's like being able
to, you know, have your voice or your, you know, your signal not lost and drowned out
in the noise because the platform is just so huge. This is a really big opportunity.
And I think so people should take advantage of you have ideas or whatever, try to try
to get involved in conversations, either on the Ness or on just, you know, some of the
Oscar clients, and try to maybe get in the ear of the devs or try to, you know, say your
piece and maybe at some point, you can look back 10 years from now and be like, Hey, I
came up with that idea or I came up with that idea, you know, you might not have been able
to write the code to it. But your idea sparked a change in the ecosystem. And maybe you brought
along something that you know, evolved into something beautiful.
I'm currently outside just taking a little break. I had told Tano to jump in for me.
Tano, can you please jump in?
Yeah, absolutely. No, like, for myself, when I first joined the Ness, I was really surprised
that I think it was like a month ago, really, and a bit more when I first joined and I didn't
see many people on which could mean like really, really surprised because everybody loves tinkering
and playing around with stuff here so much and conversing with each other. So I was just
really, I felt like I was like so early that nobody is really using it yet. And like seeing
everybody here and discussing everything and like this, like converting over to the conversations
and and Nostr itself. It's just amazing to see how how much faster everything started
to move since then.
Yeah, you know, if you build it, they will come right. So it's gonna take people that
are early to things like you guys and your show and our show and you know, any other
person that's being in the next active in the Nostr space to just put in the time and
effort and maybe you're not getting the immediate returns, you know, maybe your nest has only
got 10 users or whatever. But you know, you just got to stay persistent. And I think over
time, you know, more and more people are going to take note, they're going to you're going
to find their audience that they want to be a part of and then you're just find your audience
grows result.
Yeah, I've learned I've always been kind of into like talk radio and I used to listen
to Adam Carolla on Loveline way back in the day and he's kind of like the the guy that's
really he was one of the original like first podcasters and I've been listening to him
for 15 years. And, you know, his just at least his idea like his ideology and around work
and effort and things like that. And what he's done has been kind of inspiring because it's
really a proof of work concept. And I think Joe Rogan was much the same way. You know,
just kind of hang out and just do it. Just put in the effort. Just go do it. And like
I said, you're learning through the repetition and through the commerce, you know, through
these conversations and just go do it and just try to be consistent. And so that's why
we've been doing like, you know, the afternoons at 2pm. And then, you know, the evening shows.
I mean, it's been what two months or something like that or month and a half or, you know,
but it feels like, you know, we're like a year in and Nostra time is a different different
time than regular time.
And also from like a content creators perspective, it also gives us an opportunity to kind of
get comfortable in our own skin. Like I've never done this before. And I thought it was
like, oh cool, like Seth offered to, you know, have me help him out with the Bitcoin lobby.
It's like, OK, I've never done a podcast before. This is cool. Let's do it.
Yeah, things that just, you know, we want to build a website, never build a website
before. I'll build a website, you know, it's like I like going down these little journeys
and adventures and trying to do things that I've never done before. It's kind of see,
go through the process and see how it's done.
Yeah, I mean, isn't that the case, though? It's just like, I think curiosity brings most
people in here and there there's like a never ending trail of breadcrumbs. It's like, oh,
I'm going to go do this, you know, and, you know, having these conversations and just
being on Nostra has mentioned about like, this is my son, my youngest son likes to,
he's writing books like every day. He gets like pay, he just takes paper and writes these
books and these stories and stuff. I'm like, you got to do one on Bitcoin. And I've just
been kind of like helping him along and, you know, going through the process and, you know,
maybe we'll try to put that together and somebody be interested in that. And so like, there's
just these, you know, rabbit holes that just keep opening up and, and, and I'm a naturally
curious person, as I'm sure most people here are. And, you know, it's just fun to kind
of learn, like he's like he said, never done this before. You know, we started out, it
was like the first one we recorded, you know, I think I was at camp that weekend, we're
trying to like, theme was working on like the YouTube side and doing like editing and
stuff like that. And I'm kind of setting up the channels and like through the podcast
side and stuff. So we're just kind of like, figuring it out as we go along. But you know,
doing it openly and with you melody and, and just putting the putting the work in. So and
so it's been fun. It's been a learning experience and a lot of fun doing it. So
I couldn't agree more. Good morning. Derek, good morning. How are you? How are you feeling?
We missed you. Oh my god. How many beers did you actually go through yesterday? Too many
to count. Oh man. It sounds like it sounds like he's too hungover. I know is I haven't
drank that much in a while and my head hurts. That was fun. It was a fun. It was a good time
though. Like I had a lot of fun. I have said I missed it. I went to a concert last night
and so I didn't get home till about 1130 at night and I was wiped and had to go to bed.
Unfortunate but I had some other prior commitments. That's all right, brother. I had I had some
fun for you. Sounds like it man. Get some coffee in you. I might have to do that. Like
I literally just been laying in bed like feeling like shit for the I think I can speak for
all of us here and we say we appreciate your dedication to be up being up this early and
hungover and yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm up. I'm still in bed. Oh shit. How's
everything going though? Like the house, the house, the everybody's nest going still going
well. A lot of people in here. I see it looks great. Yeah, I think it's a good turnout.
I was on for Jack Shikani earlier. He that was good conversation. He's a good kid. Yeah.
And yeah, I mean, these guys sleepy got some food in them early. Oh dude, food.
I hear the greasy stuff helps you. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. That's just why
I hear urban legend. I may or may not have had to do this. It's true. It's true. I had
a greasy, super greasy omelet and holy fuck, do I feel much better. There you go. Yeah.
It's amazing, man. And I forgot who's who said something about I don't know if it was
something about like the Navy SEALs like in training or something like and then just pushing
through like in their minds. Like I don't know what it was, but like I keep on thinking
about that. I'm just like, yeah, it's definitely all in my mind right now. Like fuck this shit.
Like this physical body angle. You know, like I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking, but
I'm persevering right now. Can I ask what you two guys are planning for the rest of
your weekend after getting done with this? 48 hours of streaming. You're going to tackle
that this weekend too? I was planning on doing that tomorrow to be honest. Must be nice to
be young, man. I'm jealous. I wish I was back in my twenties again. If I was to do this
24 hour nest like this, I'd probably be out of commission for the next three days. I was
with ER two days ago. I was just recovering. Meanwhile, I'm actually stress testing my
body yet again. You could do that when you're young. I did a lot of a lot of dumb shit.
Not saying this is dumb shit, but certainly had a couple nights. I remember the one night
I was flying to the Dominican Republic and stayed up like way late and had like an hour
sleep. Of course there were some booze involved and fell slept in Philadelphia airport for
like 15 minutes and on a flight over the Dominican. Yeah, there was no stop until whatever because
it went on until like two in the morning. So yeah, that was that was my closest to 24
hour marathon that I can recall. I think right now, I don't know, both of us would sleep
you have already been awake for 24 hours. I think that's for sure. Yeah, it's been more
than 24 hours for me to be honest. I'm old shit. I'm awake from this same time. Like
I woke up and well, no earlier than this. I woke up at 9am Friday yesterday. Yeah, I
think so. Something like that, right? Dude, you're going to have the best night's sleep
of your life. I mean, that's days sleep. Yeah. You're going into a coma for a little bit.
Days plural. Oh, I know you guys were talking about recording each of these hours and the
kind of the nerve wracking experience like I totally appeal to you on that. And then,
you know, we do these like five hour marathon recording sessions. It's like I might be running
into audio problems where I can't hear somebody or I might not be able to be heard. But it's
like you have this urge to like click the leave button. But if you click the leave button,
then you're going to ruin or stop your recording. And so I definitely feel your stress when
it comes to trying to capture these events because you don't want to lose any of the
magic, right? Yeah, that's wild. But hey, things are just getting better. You know,
that's the appreciate you guys bringing the attention to that. And Derek kind of went
over an overview of the plans for Nests. And I think the future is bright. There's a lot
of a lot of good things. So, you know, just get hit in your stride at the right time.
But is this going to be like a regular thing for you guys? Are you going to try to do like
the 24 hour marathon, you know, once a month or something? Yo, we talked about that. But
honestly, I'm not even going to joke with you right now. I'm not doing that. This is
the first and last time we're doing this. So you're thinking about doubling it? To know.
To know. To know. Like, bro, honestly, like, I'll play the game, but I'm not going to,
you know, like when it comes down to it, I don't know, man. I don't know. I'll actually
consider it so next time. Because like, I'll do 12. I'll do 12 all day every day. Like
if you guys want me to do it, we've included everything. But like right now, the way we
scheduled it, we have like, like the break we have is when we like sleep in, ends the
recording, moves the previous speaker down to the audience, like invites the next one
to the stage. Like the 10 seconds in the middle is the pause for us. Like this is efficient
planning, right? Oh my God. People kept on asking me, yo, you guys are going to have
breaks, right? Like it's not, it's not a consistent thing, right? And it reminded me of that meme.
Like the Anakin Skywalker and I was just like, and they're like, right? Right? And I'm just
like, oh, fuck, nah. No, we going hard. We going hard. We going home. Fuck, man. It's
incredible. Like how your body, I'm super high right now and I don't know what the fuck
I'm high on, but it feels good. I hope I don't crash. I really hope I don't crash in the
next couple of hours. Yeah. As a non-native speaker, it's really, really incredibly difficult
for me to zone in on like what you all are actually speaking about. Like my mind zoned
out so fast. I have to like pay like five times the attention to actually zone in and
understand any hope that you're saying. Oh dude, even when we go on these like five,
six hour marathon sessions, by the end of it, like, especially if there's like so much
of signal that's kind of packed in early, like, and I'm just kind of my brain's absorbing
it all kind of by like the hour four or five, six, like my brain just kind of like, and
then I try to, I have like this thought in my head, you know, and then I try to get the
thought out and it just comes out totally incoherent. And it's like, Oh my God, I probably
made a video to myself saying that I was trying to get a point across, but it was like only
because like my brain's starting to get wiped from like all the intense signal we're receiving
during the early parts of the show. And so I can only imagine after, you know, if that's
happened to me at hours four or five or six, that you guys being an hour, I don't know,
what hour are you guys on right now? Like 16, 17, 16? I can only imagine where your
head's at. I probably, you know, you probably need to pump me with an ID because I probably
be in a coma right now.
I think I was talking to Tony actually, like I was, I think I was like finishing one thought
and like trying to end up at the second thought and like I lost the second thought and I,
I understood that I was like, I had said like 30, 40, like they had no meaning the words
and I was just chasing a thought. Luckily I actually found it and I got to finish my
sentence with actual question. But I don't know.
Isn't that great when you're in the middle of making this big rant or whatever that you've
completely lost your train of thought, but then all of a sudden like it clicks right
back in. You're like, yes, I thought of it instead of just sitting there stumbling. Oh
dude, I totally get there too myself. What was my overall point again? I don't know.
Oh yeah, there it is.
Yeah. You start like, uh, just trying to find words to keep the thought alive and you're
like, oh, wait a minute. Yeah. And hope for that bridge to connect it back together. Yeah.
Totally relate. So you guys are doing amazing work here and uh, appreciate you for, for
doing that. So I was the, I mean you guys like, cause not only the 24 hours you did
a lot of planning. I mean, and that you're reaching out to a lot of people and you know,
there's things that probably get mishaps that happen and things like that. So like how's
that been for you?
Oh, we definitely had some fuck ups. Um, so our sheets, right? My boy to now knows how
to use sheets, right? And he knows how to use sheets, but way too well, right? So he
had all these thoughts about like how things should be organized and yeah, it ended up
being more disorganized than organized. Um, in a way like it was organized, but like for
my mind it was super disorganized cause I'm over here like also like on D abs and doing
all these things. And my mind is like elsewhere, like what the, like, you know, trying to help
people like, you know, check their mics and cause I did a lot of that with some of the
guests. And you know, it was the first time on, on NOS on Nostra Ness. So we did fuck
up on one time slot where we accidentally gave it away thinking that it hadn't been,
that it hadn't been like a claimed, like somebody didn't have it. And when in reality they did
have it. So we had given the 3pm Eastern Saturday slot to the Nostra, Nostra report. And by
mistake we also double booked it with Jimmy. So that was a fuck up, a big fuck up. But
I reached out to Jimmy and I was like, Jimmy, I apologize, man. And if you're down, you're
down, you're more than welcome to hang out with the Nostra Ness on our, I mean with the
Nostra report on our, on our nest. And he seems to like also like, you know, be doing
a lot of things because he's currently doing, I forgot what he's doing, but it's like an
event, I believe.
Oh yeah. He's got an interesting story and he's, he's a good dude. And he's been, I only
really know him from the nest and stuff like that, but had some good conversation with
him. Yeah. He's doing a lot for the Bitcoin space. I know I think he's down in Mexico,
right? Yeah. He could have really filled the whole hour by himself. Yeah, he's a radio
guy too. Yeah. Yeah. Easily, easily filled the whole hour and keep like kept you entertained
the whole time. He, he's incredible. He's incredible. His story is incredible. I've
had the pleasure of speaking to him multiple times. Thanks to Ness and thanks to Island
bringing him on. But yeah, like we fucked up on that. But yeah, he's, he's going to
try to make it around the same time. So you might see the Nostra Ness and Jimmy together.
Oh, nice. Yeah. I mean, shit happens, right? And that's, it's hard to plan out a 24 hour
slot and dealing with other people's schedule and trying to move things around. And yeah.
So in three days, we did that shit like in two to three days. Wow. The famous night.
Go ahead, channel. Sorry. I was just about to say that like, I think like three days
in a row, I stayed awake for like through the night until like 8am just so we could
plan this out with sleepy. And yeah, like I think it was like three or four days of
like 10 hour nests. I think most of them were closed. Yeah. And the biggest problem was
then we opened it up. Yeah. I think the biggest problem really that I heard from sleepy regarding
the all the organizing was actually the DMS regarding. So you don't notice when you get
the DMS back, like a lot of them end up in requests or like you don't get any, I guess
any notifications like in the app or the client itself, like you get those push notifications.
But if you like, I think we had in the less like 40, 50 different kinds of panels that
we were in the end. So I don't know around 60, 70 people. So like, yeah, I was just constantly
pushed. We were constantly pushing out people like, like brainstorming, like, which should
we like invite on and and sleepy, sleepy always kept on DMing, got to carry the spreadsheets.
And yeah, we just like, we divided the work really, really well. And the biggest problem
was like just noticing that if people were writing back, it's so sudden. Yeah. So many
people, I was gonna say that so many people hit us back after the fact that we had already
filled it makes me feel so bad because I still get I'm still getting DMed till right now.
Yeah, I think that's just a golden excuse to be able to extend this another 24 hours.
What do you guys say? 48? 48? Let's go. Let's go. I got the DM from him. So there will be
no excellent. It's like the old Mike Tyson famous saying everyone has a plan until they
get punched in the mouth. This is what you do after you get punched.
Ain't that the truth? God damn it. That reminds me of like, that reminds me of like, kind
of how we work the Bitcoin lobby, the scheduled episodes on Thursdays. It's like several right
out between the 10 and 15 bullet points and on topics that we might want to touch on.
You know, and it's kind of one of those things like depending on how the conversation is
going, we might touch on 10 of them or we might touch on three of them. And so at that
point, it's like by the end of the show, I'm always asking like, how many of your bullet
points that we end up getting to? And it's usually like three. Yeah, it just flows.
It kind of like the controlled chaos of it all where it's kind of like, just let it flow.
Wherever it goes, it goes, you know, forget it. You know, if we don't get to something,
maybe we'll get to it next week. Maybe we won't. Whatever.
I've learned to, you know, because I'm taking notes throughout the week through like Nest
or you know, whatever's going on on Nostra or you know, Bitcoin news. And then I learned
especially with Nostra, it's like you're on Nostra time. So like all that stuff, like
we'll either talk about it or hash it out. You know, so like a week's news, it's like
old news by the time, you know, we do the recorded session. So whatever happened on
Tuesdays, like, you know, already done and gone. And so it's almost like you got to keep
refining and we're doing it.
Yeah. You guys are still talking about Nip 94 and Nip 95. Man, that was so 72 hours ago,
man. Just get over it.
Exactly. Right.
It wasn't easy. Not gonna lie. It's fucking insane. And coming into it, like the worst
things happened. Right. So Tano got sick a couple of days prior. My throat, like I've
been having like, I also caught like a little fucking flu and been fucked up. I had to like
eat a whole bunch of like honey in the middle of the like of the I think it was like the
six hours or something like that. Because I just my throat was fucked. So I had to drink
like a whole bunch of honey and then I made like some tea. I don't know. Whatever. Like
a whole bunch of hiccups, right? Like they show up the moment that you're doing something
like this.
Dude, you remember your first nest?
Yeah.
Yeah. That was a full of hiccups, man. That was awesome. It was just so funny.
That was incredible.
Look on the bright side. Neither of y'all sound anywhere near as bad as Derek right
now. So we got that going for you.
We do got that going for us, Derek. We do got that going for us, man. Come on. You gotta
admit it.
I think you passed out. Good for him.
He's like a head inside the toilet right now.
Oh, there he is. There he is. He's alive.
Yeah.
Oh man. Derek, thank God. You don't have you don't you don't have Fiat mining today, do
you? It's what day is it? Saturday, right? No, definitely not. You wouldn't have done
one.
I don't know what day it is anymore.
No, it's Saturday.
Is it Saturday?
It's Saturday. People are buying. It's you know, it's you know, Saturday is for the boys.
Yeah.
I need to open a cold one. Should I? No, no, I shouldn't. I shouldn't. I shouldn't.
What time is this going to be until 7 p.m.?
7 p.m., Seth. Oh my God.
Oh, you guys do do fine. I think you get get your second win and it's going to be all good
from here on out.
I think we have.
You have to do the hard part.
Yeah. We have we have a very special guest coming up next. Pretty sure we're going to
be talking about some serious stuff. He's a serious man and he works harder than anybody
that I've seen on Nostra. And just from telling you that, I am sure he came to your mind because
if you've thought about it, he most likely has built it. The king of my class.
I'm looking forward to this with Pablo. Yeah, it's it's crazy how he just comes to your
mind when I hear when I just say, oh, machine. Yeah, there's there's nobody like him. No,
no second best.
Well, good. The good news is you guys basically bound around during this last hour with us.
So if you haven't fallen asleep yet with me and Seth, then I think you're in pretty good
shape. I think you got a really good chance of making it to seven tonight.
Let's go. Let's go. That hyped me. I'm hyped. Now we got this. We really do got this. Some
way, somehow it's Tano. It's all mental. Your body doesn't know what's going on. Don't worry
about. Oh, let's go. Don't trust anybody. Amazing, man. Don't listen to your body. Don't
listen to your body, Tano. If it says it needs to rest, be like, not your little bitch right
now. At this point, I can't even feel my body that much. So it's not a problem. Perfect.
Perfect. All right. So I was a bugger. Oh, oh, it's a feature. Damn. All right. That's
the right mindset to go with this. Yeah, we didn't even get to do a live Q&A, but we do
have a guest up here that might just give you guys a question. Derek, would you like
to live Q&A real quick? He's thinking about it. Is it worth it? Is it worth it? Yes, it
is. Come on. Ask a question. Well, if he has the brain capacity, you can do a quick rehash
on the, you know, the roadmap for Nests. I think that'd be good. Oh, man. That's true.
We actually did. And there was so much to be said. Derek, there was a lot to be said
that wasn't said. Even was Semi Solo actually noted. We haven't talked about that. What
does that even mean for us? He said 24 hours and it'll be implemented. What? Zaps? Zaps.
That's awesome. That's awesome. That's what I mean. It's separating. It's a leapfrog. It's
separating from all the other clubhouses, Twitter spaces, because you can't zap there. Yeah.
I'm holding Semi to that 24 hour deadline, but I'm assuming that he's just going to come
up with like two or three masterbots instead. Yeah. So love me some Semi Solo. Like if,
if, if and when I ever meet him, I'm doing two things right away. One, I'm giving him
a big fucking hug. And two, I've been promising him for, you know, probably six months now,
I'm giving him the hardest fucking shoulder punch he's ever had in his life. Cause he
needs it. He needs the hug. He needs the love, but then he also needs to be punched because
he, he's, he's a cat. He literally a cat. He, he sees a lot of shinies and once he sees
that shiny, he can't unsee it. And he has to go work on the shiny and go play with the
shiny and, and then he'll come back to what he was working on unless he sees another fucking
shiny. So if my, if my dude Semi says 24 hours and zaps will be implemented, I love the guy.
I'm going to give him a big hug and a punch. It's a love punch, but, um, he has been working
on it hard the past week. He has been more so than he has over the past month. So I wouldn't
hold my breath, but it, it, it is much sooner than soon. Like it, it really is because like
I said, the past week he's been working on it in his dev environment based on what he's
told me in the screenshots I've seen, it's coming along nicely. Um, the split functionality
is going to be working, but the weighted functionality isn't, and I've told him, we don't need the
weighted functionality yet. That's, that's advanced shit. That's, that's for nest 2.0,
right? Or 3.0 or something. We don't need that yet, but the splits is coming. So what
that is, is you'll be able to split your, your, your zap with everybody that's up on
stage if you want to, or you could just individually, um, zap somebody, but then also you can zap
NostrNest too. So a percentage of the zap will go to Semi and I for hosting and building
NostrNest. So that's coming. That's a way for us to fund that nest and to keep funding
it to take a small percentage of a zap, basically like lightning prisms, kind of how those have
been discussed by Guy Swan and others. And, uh, similar to what kind of similar, I guess,
to what others have done out there. And we've, we've also discussed, you know, since time
began, we've, we've also discussed many other lightning features and I did go over the roadmap
last night, but for those that weren't there, I can discuss quickly a few other ones. Um,
one of the pain points that people have whenever they create a nest is to keep that browser
active. We all like to clear our cookies from time to time. We, you know, we, we, we do
that, we clear our browser cache. And then when you do, when your cookie goes bye bye,
so does your, your nest, uh, and Semi and I right now have to restore that for you.
And we want to make that, that much easier. And that's going to happen, um, two ways.
Once we have nip 07 sign in, NOSTER sign in, uh, through your, your keys, through your
extension that'll fix part of that. The other method for not, cause not everybody has that.
Not everybody wants to use that or can use that depending on your device. So we still
need to have a way for people to restore their session if they nuclear cookies. So we're
still going to have another solution for those people. And that's going to be through like
seed words through pass phrases. So you'll be able to enter these into nests and it'll
verify based on the words you enter that you say who you are and you'll be able to restore
your, your session. That's coming soon. That's not going to be in the next, you know, tomorrow
or the next couple of days. That's a, that's a future thing. Um, once logins working, then
we'll get the account restoration working. And then the, the, the final thing we've been
talking about for awhile and people really, really want it. They want text chat built
into this and we want every nest to have that. And Semi and I were just discussing yesterday
that maybe we should seek some outside help for that. And our man Pablo, we talked to,
I mentioned to him briefly and Pablo said that he was interested in it. So we need to
discuss that more with him. Uh, looking forward to having his potential help on getting us
to bring all these features out that everybody wants.
Hey, we're, we're eating into Pablo time. I don't want to eat into Pablo time. So I
just want to say thanks a lot for having us on this past hour. Uh, you guys, once the,
the nest gets done here, make sure to check out, we got a new podcast with Stuart Bowman,
the creator of satellite client, which is an incredible client, incredible guy. So just
head over to our YouTube channel, the Bitcoin lobby YouTube channel. So thanks for having
us on and thanks for not falling asleep. Appreciate it guys. And what's up Pablo? We're looking
forward to listening to your, your hour.
Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate everything you guys are doing and appreciate you.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
Thanks guys.
Have a wonderful day, man.
You too.
I'll be hanging out brother.
Let's go.